Homosexuals File Complaint Against Minister for Not ‘Marrying’ Them

Pulpit pdWINSTON-SALEM, N.C. — Two homosexual men in North Carolina have filed a complaint against their United Methodist minister for refusing to “marry” them, stating that he has failed “to perform the work of the ministry.”

Scott Chappell and Kenneth Barner, who attend Green Street United Methodist Church in Winson-Salem, filed the complaint with the Western North Carolina Office of the United Methodist Church late last month, charging their leader, Kelly Carpenter (male), with discrimination.

“On October 26, 2014, we asked Carpenter to officiate at our wedding and he has refused to do so, citing church rules from the United Methodist Book of Discipline that forbids pastors from celebrating homosexual unions or performing same-sex wedding ceremonies,” the complaint reads. “Carpenter’s refusal to perform our wedding violates our rights as members of his church and my fiance and I wish to charge him for this offense.”

It further outlines that Chappell and Barner are “active members” of the congregation, and that Barner is “the current chair of the Leadership Council and often leads the praise and worship portion of the service.” The two became “engaged” during a Sunday service before the congregation.

“My fiance and I are members of this church, having pledged to uphold the work of the church through our prayers, presence, gifts and service,” the complaint continues. “Carpenter has accepted the call to be our pastor, accepted the call to be in ministry to all people, and accepted our membership in the church but is refusing to ‘perform the work of the ministry.'”

Chappell and Barner also state that because the United Methodist Book of Discipline prohibits “racial or gender discrimination,” Carpenter is violating the rules as they allege that the is discriminating against the men because they are both males. They contend that the denomination’s stance is therefore contradictory as it decries discrimination but prohibits ministers from marrying those of the same sex.

The United Methodist Book of Discipline outlines that “the practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching” and that “self-avowed practicing homosexuals” may not be ordained as ministers in the denomination. It also forbids ministers from hosting or participating in “ceremonies that celebrate homosexual unions.”

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“The discriminatory and offensive language in the United Methodist Church Book of Discipline and Carpenter’s refusal to marry my fiance and me has caused great spiritual harm to us both,” the men claim. “[My] fiance and I have been victimized by Carpenter’s adherence to United Methodist Church rules, which is a chargeable offense per our Book of Discipline.”

But some are wondering whether the complaint is actually an orchestrated effort by both Chappell and Barner, along with Carpenter, to seek to change the denomination’s stance on same-sex “marriage.” Carpenter told the United Methodist News Service that he declined to officiate the ceremony because he feared the consequences, but stated that “If there was a way for me to be a co-signer with the complaint, [I would].”

Additionally, according to reports, Green Street United Methodist Church announced last year out of protest that would not host any wedding ceremonies in its sanctuary until the denomination changed its policies on same-sex “marriage.”

Those within the United Methodist denomination remain split on the issue of homosexuality. In an article entitled “Why Many Methodists Still Oppose Same-Sex Marriage,” John Lemperis, the Director of the UM Action program of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, said that the Bible is crystal clear on the matter.

“Even liberal Biblical scholars now agree that the Old and New Testaments are very clear in their moral disapproval of homosexual practice,” he wrote. “More fundamentally, Scripture paints a beautiful picture of marriage as a holy covenant of intensely intimate, self-giving community between man and woman, uniting the two most basic, equal categories of humanity.”

“We submit to Jesus as Lord,” Lemperis stated. “If He is truly Lord, then no area of our lives can be off-limits to Him. Jesus spoke strongly about the centrality of self-denial in following Him, which often means dramatic personal sacrifices, including not acting on powerful desires for things outside of God’s best for us. … Jesus and new life in Him are more than worth it.”


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  • James Johnson

    Why Christians should care about redefining marriage: http://www.project315.net/why-not-redefine-marriage.html

  • Thomas Collins Jr June

    And so it begins, LBGT direct attack on a Church Minister. Glad to see a man of God standing for what is right.

    • hallraptor

      Did you read the article? The pastor is not in any way “standing for what is right”. He is a full participant in trying to alter church practice to allow homosexual marriage. This is made crystal clear by the marriage proposal made in front of the church. What did the pastor think was being proposed? For them to MARRY.

    • Lupe

      And so it begins.

  • MattFCharlestonSC

    For what it’s worth to all of you, I think that churches are, and should, be free to marry people based on whatever criteria they see fit free from government influence. If a church decides to marry a gay couple it should be their own decision and not coerced.

    • Samuel Trovão

      If a church decides to marry a gay couple it’s no longer a church, but a facsimile. Also, there is no such thing as a gay “couple”. 2 of the same is a pair, not a couple. They even get that part wrong.

      • MattFCharlestonSC

        My rights are still important and I am not required by my government to be a Christian. Also, I am half of a couple and churches that don’t believe the same way you do are still churches.

        • Demmi Greene

          Laodecean churches only.

        • Samuel Trovão

          You can be a Christian or you can be gay. You can’t be both.

          I choose the Word of God over my sexual preference, even though I respect the sex I was born with and have no issue with that.

          • Demmi Greene

            Precious Lord! What a man of God You are! God bless You and Your testimony!!! You have truly blessed my soul this day.

            ”Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” Matthew 7:14

          • Samuel Trovão

            Thank you! Your comment also made my day 🙂

            God bless!

          • Demmi Greene

            Amen, brother. Keep Sharing your testimony! 🙂

  • upload

    A group of ministers have ceased officiating marriages in conjunction with the government. They will not sign government issued marriage documents. I encourage ALL ministers who officiate weddings to do the exact same thing. True marriage is recognized in the eyes of our eternal God, not a temporary man-made government.

    • Demmi Greene

      Amen.

  • Edward Vincent

    I am not against same sex friendships,( IE, lionesses roam together, )then when they mate they go with a LION , Dogs roam together and when they mate they go with the Bitches, If lionesses stay with lionesses and dogs stayed with dogs ,and all the animals through out nature there would be no nature no animals no wild life, Are we not like animals on this planet , every living thing has a CODE OF CONDUCT withing itself ,Humans are no differant to animals , MALE / FEMALE ,from time beginning ,If they are supposed to be Christians ,well I do not think they read the Holy Bible ?.

  • Richard Truelove

    So….let me get this straight (pun intended) a gay man attending a Christian church, and is in a leadership role, is upset because the pastor will not marry him and his gay boyfriend. He obviously has not read the Bible or follows its doctrine which forbids homosexual behavior. Being gay and expecting a Christian pastor to marry you is like trying to buy tires at a doughnut shop.

    • Autumn Walker

      more like members of the KKK asking a African American to make them a wedding cake..

    • Neiman

      This is the fault of the Methodist Church which is thoroughly apostate, they have long ago compromised their beliefs in Christ in favor of liberal political correctness. Why would they allow an openly gay man to be a member if he has not confessed his sin of homosexuality, repented and turned away from that lifestyle choice. The Holy Spirit through Paul admonished the Church not to associate, as brothers in Christ, with anyone that is sexually immoral. Why would they allow a sexual degenerate in any leadership role? Why would they have a rule against gender discrimination in the case of homosexuality?

      They are getting what they deserve for compromising God’s Word. I have no sympathy for them at all.

      • Demmi Greene

        Can you believe this???

      • Rose

        Gee that’s loving your neighbor isn’t it? I understand that they are wrong for not addressing the issue of his homosexuality, but seriously? They are getting what they deserve for compromising God’s Word, but that makes me feel more sympathetic for them. I don’t understand how someone can believe in God and his love for EVERYONE despite their sins today, tomorrow, and yesterday, could say such a thing. It’s the very reason why people who need help don’t go to Christians because they’re afraid of this hate.

        • Frank

          Children that are disobedient deserve discipline. No discipline is pleasant but intended for correction. A wise child will heed the correction given in discipline and change, but a foolish child will stamp their feet, harden their heart, throw a temper tantrum and say their loving parent is wrong for disciplining them. A parent loves their child if they discipline them, if they hate them they will not discipline them. God disciplines those He loves. If you don’t receive discipline you are not God’s child. A wise Christian will heed God’s discipline and change from their sin towards God, but foolish Christian will rebel against God. Disobedient children deserve discipline. We all deserve permanent separation from God but in His mercy and grace He sent Jesus to pay the price so that if we turn from our sins, our disobedience to God’s ways, towards obedience to God in Christ Jesus and accept Jesus as our Savior from what we deserve, He forgives us our sins and gives us eternal life with Him. Turn from your sins and turn to God before its too late.

          • Rose

            I’m not saying that they shouldn’t receive punishment for their deeds, but that doesn’t change the fact that I feel sorry for them because of their ignorance. I mean, they’re taught a different view than you and I. God’s going to discipline, but he also shows compassion. Like in the story of Jonah. God disciplined Jonah but gave him a second chance to fix his wrong doings. He gave Jonah multiple chances to change his course of actions. I know in the end he did the wrong thing, but God showed him mercy! If all you think is discipline, the child won’t learn a thing because not everyone is wise. A regular parent would discipline, but a loving parent would show mercy and compassion in the discipline.

          • Frank

            A loving parent shows mercy and compassion by disciplining their child. Saves them from death. A hateful parent will use your view of mercy and compassion by not disciplining them. There is a balance that is proper between exacerbating and non exacerbating the children in discipline which we could go off on tangents losing sight of the origins of the topic for a long time. God does show patience and long suffering by withholding discipline – on His time frame, not ours. He knows best when enough is enough. We don’t. He knows who will listen and who won’t and who needs discipline and who doesn’t and when and for how long. Yes, God gave Jonah multiple chances but God also said enough is enough you deserve this discipline. God’s mercy was in the discipline. Judgment starts in the house of God. God says for Christians to have nothing to do with false teachers and those claiming to be Christians yet living in sin. To warn them to flee their sins but not to even eat with them or have them in their homes, to show them how serious God’s Word and obedience to His Word is. To call them to repentance and fully accepting them if they repent but if they don’t repent to keep them at an arms distance so to speak. The Methodists are not ignorant. They have God’s Word just as I do. God’s Word is crystal clear but they are willfully choosing to go against it. So God’s judgement is falling as the saying goes, starting in the house of God. If they repent God will forgive them. If they don’t repent then they made their own bed, not anyone else.

          • Rose

            I continue to feel sorry for you with every sentence you’re writing… You’re mistaking my view of mercy, compassion, with discipline. Children need to learn their lessons, but goodness, have a HEART! I don’t think God disciplines happily. He will discipline his children, but goodness I’m pretty sure he doesn’t love doing it! He’ll do it out of love for us, and wanting us to grow, but I don’t think the punishment part is exciting for either side.

          • Frank

            Feel sorry for me? I’ve seen the effects of your type of mercy and compassion and having a “HEART” and it is destroying lives quicker and worse than the epidemic going on in Leonne and other countries over there. I’m not mistaking anything. I don’t speak on these things lightly nor without insight. I know both sides of the coin. I choose God’s side, as for me and my household we will serve the Lord.

          • Rose

            You must forget that God is love, mercy, and compassion. He gave us all a heart. Maybe somehow your vision of mercy and compassion is different than mine. Actually it’s either our visions of mercy and compassion are different, or you’re a robot. I’ve seen where mercy and compassion have worked, and guess what, it’s in the bible! I’m a biblical literalist and I go by the bible that God gave us. He told us to be merciful and compassionate. I just pray that you see with compassion and not with dictatorship.

          • Frank

            You have and a skewed and unbiblical view of what God’s attributes of love and mercy and compassion mean. You say you are a biblical literalist yet you are literally forgetting huge sections on how God defines each of these words and attributes, or maybe you have not taken the time to study them, because you are completely off base biblically in this matter as to what God Himself has defined about Him for these words. I have already outlined how God defines it and so has Neiman on this board. You would do well to seek how God defines these things in the bible, not how you feel it should be defined or how someone else who is not even a Christian thinks it should be defined because that is not how God defines them. And how He defines them is the only thing that counts.

          • Rose

            Okay, nothing good is coming out of this conversation. You’ve stated your opinion, and I have mine. God Bless

          • RDH1988

            God is also judgment…you are going with only ONE attribute of His character…his love. But love without righteousness is a false love… a judge can not let a murderer go free (IE Charles Manson) and be called truly loving!

          • Rose

            I know he’s judgement, and he will punish. I’m not against punishment, I’m against punishment without compassion.

          • RDH1988

            The Bible says that once death occurs there is no 2nd chance…Jonah didn’t die and he eventually did as God asked, albeit reluctantly…and then afterwords he resented God’s justice. We are left without knowing the final outcome of Jonah’s faith…but the Word says it is appointed unto men ONCE to die and then after this the JUDGMENT! Homosexuals have the same choice as heterosexuals…not to practice fornication or sexual sin in any form.
            God says that those who reject HIm will spend eternity out of His presence which is the definition of Hell

          • Rose

            We have plenty of chances while we’re here on earth. Truth be told I want as many as I can, and I’d appreciate that luxury as it has been given to me. If we jumped the gun and punished, it would be annoying as mess and we wouldn’t learn a thing. If we approach with love and mercy, there is more of a chance to change. If they are not that case, then punish them.

          • KellyKAFIR

            they are suing… not repenting. I don’t think they are interesting in changing their course of action.

          • Rose

            I know they’ve done so many things wrong and that they’re not repenting, but still I’m certain that God’s not done with them, and if they change their ways, think of the awesome testimony.

        • Neiman

          Frank has answered your questions and addressed your concerns quite well.

          The Methodist Church has long ago turned their back on God’s word, as they were more concerned about being liberal minded and not turning away people from the church than they were about upholding God’s Word. If I recall the story correctly, while this minister was upholding church teachings, he was personally in favor of gay marriage. Why are you sympathetic towards a church organization and a minister that are in open rebellion against God’s word?

          What you and most people of this world call hate, is any time a Bible believing Christian openly opposes sin. Were John the Baptist and Jesus expressing hate when they reproved the religious leaders of their time, more than once referring to them, to their faces, as snakes? Was Jesus expressing hate when he drove the money changers out of the Temple with a whip? It is not the Love of God to ignore sin, in fact from John the Baptist onward, first came exposing sin as being sin, then a call to repentance and then bringing that repentant soul to Christ.

          There is much to be said for and commendable in living a quiet and peaceable life showing the love of God in one’s attitudes and words and actions. There are many thereby that will be drawn to that person to find out why they are the way the way they are and can be led to Christ. But at that moment of personal testimony, if their sins are not clearly made known to be sins and there is not a call to sincere repentance, there will be no salvation. However, the biblical pattern when any person or organization say they are representing Christ and are teaching heresy, it to clearly and boldly expose their sins that people might be warned away. In reproving the Methodist Church for their heresies, it is in harmony with that Divine pattern.

          • Rose

            I’m sympathetic because I know that God doesn’t want that for him. He doesn’t want that path for this church, for these people. If it were me, and I didn’t realize what I was doing was wrong, I’d want someone to speak up so that I’d actually have a chance. And maybe this church has had it’s chances, idk. All I know is that this isn’t what God would want, and I would feel that Jesus wouldn’t be sitting around saying ‘Good riddance with them!’. My heart aches for those who chose against God because they don’t get to experience the things that I can easily do today, like praying and being real and open with my life. I’m not against discipline, I’m really not. I’m against people who don’t feel sorry for people that need Jesus, and who need to know the truth.

          • Neiman

            I completely understand your feelings in this matter, I compliment you on feeling godly sorrow for those who have gone astray. Yet, if you will search the writings of the apostle Paul, as he was inspired by the Holy Spirit, his writings being accepted as Scripture by the apostle Peter, more than once he openly condemned and prayed for the destruction of those false prophets who taught things contrary to God’s Word.

            It is good to have godly sorrow, but the leaders of the Methodist Church, have God’s Word as their guide, from the time of John Wesley their founder until late in the 20th century they were very Orthodox and spoke powerfully against sin. But, in the name of political correctness they began step-by-step compromising God’s Word and who can know how many precious souls they have deceived and that will fail to gain salvation and eternal life by their many heresies?

            I would not rejoice seeing anyone in hell, but these people have deliberately gone out of the way; and, while I hope that many of them will repent and turn back to the Lord, I think sorrow for false prophets is misplaced.

          • Rose

            I agree with everything you said, it just seemed to me that the mass opinion was ‘good riddance punish them’. Thanks for your replies.

        • RDH1988

          God loves all men enough to provide the sacrifice necessary to save them from their sin, but then He asks us to REPENT and turn from our sin to be righteous in practice. The God who loves us is the same God that pronounces judgment on those who reject Him and his Holiness…Homosexuality is the opposite of holiness and we are to take the same stance as God…we can love the people but we a are to do nothing to partake in, or support their sin! read Romans chapter 1 to the very end…God will judge those who mock and reject Him, including those who support the sins of others. Make your choice and then take your stand.

          • Rose

            I know we’re not supposed to allow homosexuality. God will judge us on our day of death but until then we have so many chances to change. These people are no different.

        • KellyKAFIR

          Rose, dear, not agreeing with a lifestyle based on one’s deeply held religious beliefs is NOT hate. You have bought into the PC garbage.

          • Rose

            I understand it’s different, but what about what they think? Today people perceive Christians as people who hate homosexuals. They don’t understand it’s the sin we hate and that we want to help. We’re using the wrong approach.

    • Tux

      Why on earth did they appoint them to any kind of leadership role to begin with?

      • Demmi Greene

        The real ? is how can they be reconciled to Christ, or even belong in the church? They are there to change the church,…not change themselves for God.

      • KellyKAFIR

        That was MY question!

    • Demmi Greene

      Gays don’t care.

    • Santan

      @
      Richard Truelove….. That’s a bunch of bullshit what you just said, have a other tire to eat!!!!

  • DaCoachK

    Two men can be beer buddies, not spouses. Why is this so hard the queers and their Left-Wing-Loon supporters to grasp?

  • Autumn Walker

    Any pastor of any church who would marry a gay couple is NOT called by God. I personally would rather be hated for standing up for my beliefs and fearing God Almighty than be praised for going against God’s will.

  • kelly1038

    they just really want to in-your-face-it now amazingly brazen. If you are wanting to be married go to a church who agrees with you, my church wouldn’t marry my husband and I because he was divorced, so what pick another church. The pendulum will swing back the other direction and is doing so now. don’t go to the gay guy hairdresser etc…. they need to understand we have rights too

    • James Spaith

      So you disobeyed Biblical teachings, got a divorce, and when you got called out for it in the form a Church refusing to celebrate your sin, you just ‘so what pick another church’. Right. Why didn’t you repent RIGHT THEN, swear off the travesty of a second marriage, and return to your first marriage? You’re no different or better than these gay men.

      • Demmi Greene

        ”You’re no different or better than these gay men.”

        She repented, Christ forgave her. Christ is in the human restoration business, we all qualify fr a new life in him. When did the gay men ever separate, renounce, repent,.. first from their sexual idolatry? Or even of the travesty of suing the House of God?

      • Lucas Thein

        You should learn to read more carefully… she said HE was divorced. And P.S. – How dare you condemn somebody when you have NO idea of the divorcee’s circumstances? His previous wife could have committed adultery. She could have been an unbeliever and left him, marrying somebody else. Reconciliation could have been impossible.

        “A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.” – Proverbs 18:2 ESV

      • kelly1038

        I respected the decision of my church and their right to say no according to their doctrinal beliefs, the gays can’t allow religion to have its rules and doctrine. I am sure there is a “church” who will carry out the ceremony these dudes want just not that church, not that minister.

  • Kyle James

    Let me get this straight — two homosexual men are “active members of the congregation”, and one of them actually holds “the current chair of the Leadership Council and often leads the praise and worship portion of the service”? First if all, no person can be a member of the church if he or she is living in direct rebellion and disobedience to the will of God. Secondly, this person who is actively and blatantly living in sin CANNOT be teaching and leading worship services! Good heavens! No wonder this church is under scrutiny! Shame on this church. I would commend the Pastor for refusing to marry them, but he had already made the grave mistake of allowing these two to become members and teach!

  • Rev Rob Roche

    I am so sorry to get involved in yet another gay debate! I do get involved in many others as a Priest but sorry!!!! OK I have a gay orientation but am celibate because my Father calls for that and I obey! I played the gay=scene for 10 years, did it all and know it all! So please let me say this to the gay community and the couple who did this! ” listen you little queens! You did this to score a point because you knew it would cause trouble! The same thinking you use for arsing your bud! Thinking your clever you will be laughing about this with your little group of hangers but you never had Christ or the Spirit in you because you love ‘gay’ more than truth!!!!! Back off in to your own seedy little corner where you and your friends cooked this up! You might con many but not me with your little vicious queen routine! Seen and had love! Christ ain’t yours to play with even though your ancestors tried to do God long ago! Back in your dirty corner! Am I Homophobic!!! Would be interesting as I am full gay orientation, sue me!!!

  • ATTILA727

    The 1st amend should protect these ministers.

  • Leon Tarr

    Because of same sex marriage, the pedophiles want to marry little children now, the animal lovers want to marry there pets, where will it end ? Repent before it is too late. The pastor has to obey Jesus Christ the creator and savior of our souls and bodies. Eternal life comes with a price, obedience to the will od God, who lives , rules, and judges. God is not mocked in any of this sickness, and perversion. Abstain if you are gay or single.

    • MattFCharlestonSC

      Please provide examples of pedophiles lobbying to marry children etc. You won’t be able to find any because you just made this up. Isn’t making things up against the Bible?

      • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EvidencefortheBible/ Galut1

        A google search on ” pedophiles lobbying to marry children ” produces a wealth of links that relate to that effort …it may not have be a lot of support for it yet …but the Door has been cracked open ….

        A sad editorial on the slippery slope …..

        • Demmi Greene

          To us they are Children,..to them, they are just a target and an opportunity for ”consensual sex” in a loving, equatable relationship”. Or some demonic, p.c. gibberish of the sort spewing out of their mouths.

      • TRLA22

        Who would of thought that incest marriages, an uncle marrying a niece, a father marrying his daughter would be legal…the highest court in New York has unanimously passed such law. It is a matter of time before the age of consent is changed to twelve years of age…perversion has no boundries. Parents and relatives will legally have sex with their children. It is just a matter of time. Some in this country have supported Roman Polanski…a man having intercourse with a thirteen year old child…people have become so tolerant, that they are now friends with satan…

        • Demmi Greene

          NAMBLA is already salivating.

      • nash greene

        Pedophiles and homosexuals are on the bottom rung of depravity. Margo Kaplan is a law professor at Rutgers. She is pushing for civil rights for pedophiles. What are those civil rights she believes that pedophiles do not have ? The right to marry those they love, namely children. They lobby for lowering the age of consent. This is just the beginning. I find it strange that some homosexuals believe that pedophiles are lower than they are, when in fact , many homosexuals are pedophiles.

      • RDH1988

        N.A.M.B.A.

  • Demmi Greene

    This is what ”inclusiveness” ends up causing, homosexuals suing Jesus Christ.

    • Rev Rob Roche

      They tried to have sex with God in the Old Testament so no great surprise! By the way its ‘Practicing Homosexuals’, thousands of us serve Christ in Trust and we are celibate!

      • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EvidencefortheBible/ Galut1

        While I appreciate you are a celibate Christian …the term you use “Practicing Homosexuals” may not be the be the best term to use alongside celibate… just a thought ….

        • Demmi Greene

          Spot on Galdut, God bless.

        • Chrissy Vee

          Didn’t Rev Rob Roche mean that he is a homosexual but abstaining from sex because he places his trust in Christ…and that the ‘Practicing Homosexuals’ are he ones who will be punished?
          That’s what I got out of it.

          • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EvidencefortheBible/ Galut1

            Quote:”By the way its ‘Practicing Homosexuals’, thousands of us serve Christ in Trust and we are celibate!”

            perhaps …but when used in a sentence separated by a comma from the part that talks about Celibacy …there seems to be an implied connection …it may be he intended it to have separation and needed to have taken a little more time to make it clear … we all have written things that are easily misinterpreted…

          • Chrissy Vee

            🙂

      • Demmi Greene

        Do you believe in the authority of the Scriptures?

  • Matthew

    Romans 1:20-32

    20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.

    24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their un-discerning mind to do what is improper. 29 They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips 30 and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents. 31 They are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

    1 Samuel 18:1 1 By the time David finished speaking with Saul, Jonathan’s life became bound up with David’s life; he loved him as his very self.

    2 Samuel 1:26 26 I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother! Most dear have you been to me; More wondrous your love to me than the love of women.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11 9 Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites

    10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    11 That is what some of you used to be; but now you have had yourselves washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

    Leviticus 18:22-24

    22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.

    23 You shall not have sexual relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; that is perverse.

    24 Do not defile yourselves by any of these things, because by them the nations whom I am driving out of your way have defiled themselves.

    Leviticus 20:9,13

    9 Anyone who curses father or mother shall be put to death; and having cursed father or mother, such a one will bear the bloodguilt.

    13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, they have committed an abomination; the two of them shall be put to death; their bloodguilt is upon them. [20:9–21] Bloodguilt: These penalties, beginning with cursing one’s parents, reflect the concerns of a patriarchal society that the breakdown of one’s relations with one’s parents can lead to the breakdown of all other familial relationships, resulting in the breakdown of society.

    • RDH1988

      Romans 1:32 Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such
      things deserve death, they not only do them but GIVE APPROVAL to those
      who practice them….the Bible even points out those who support sin as being guilty!

  • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EvidencefortheBible/ Galut1

    Jesus may never have explicitly taught on Homosexuality ….but he upheld the document that did…. Matthew 5 17 – 19

    17″Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18″For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19″Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.…”

  • Frank

    This lawsuit is not just about changing the United Methodist stance on these fake marriages to be unGodly, it’s also to open up the ability for all ministers of all denominations to be sued for not performing these fake marriages.

    • Lorelai

      It’s not a lawsuit, it’s a complaint to the Bishop overseeing their area. Click on the “complaint” link.

  • Linda Castle Nichols

    So what they’re actually asking for is to disallowed as members of the church. Their whole premise is that since they are members of the church then they should be allowed to be married. So I guess it’s time to not allow gay people to be members of the churches. Is that what they want? Maybe they need to create their own churches, preach their own gospel, incur their own wrath from God. Oh wait, when people live in sin, Satan generally leaves them alone and they prosper. It’s only the true people of God who get attacked by Satan. So yeah, if they want to be happy they need to make their own church, preach to themselves, and live in health and wealth. Those of us living for Christ need to continue to be emptied completely so we can be filled with Him. Jonathan Cahn did an excellent piece on the Hebrew wedding. The thing I remember the most about it was that the bride learns to say goodbye to everything she knows. I think that God is teaching His true Church how to say goodbye now because the rapture is near.

    • Demmi Greene

      Superb post.

  • elizabeth

    Good, this is not a government issue or even a state issue . What this church is doing is standing up for their beliefs in not wanting to marry them.

  • Sherry

    Those who are in the sin of homosexuality are not of God , God will not bless sin, they already have great spiritual harm for they are separated from God in their sin. No Pastor is required to go against his conscience and faith or the word of God to join in sin with them for he cannot. They need to repent of their sins and seek truth and quit trying to lead others to perish with them.

  • John_33

    Isn’t it ironic? The pastor is willing to conduct gay marriages if the Methodist Book of Discipline is changed, but he ignores what it says in the real Book of Discipline – the Bible.

    • Gary

      The pastor has no problem with homosexuals or ssm. His allowing these perverts to be members of his church proves that.

    • KenS

      Amen!

    • Ian Jade Gripo

      amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that’s true, only the bible can tell the answers

  • chiefpontiac

    Like who didn’t see this coming? Now come on, really? In my opinion, the elimination of Christianity from the public square has been the end game all along with this movement. I call it, elimination by litigation for discrimination…..This is only the beginning people.

    • Gary

      You are right.

  • Boots

    The solution is pretty simple… change freaking churches for the two gay men and for the “minister” to resign his position if he disagrees with church doctrine. There are plenty of liberal churches out there willing to accommodate all of them. But, like the rest of the gaystapo, they just want to bend the church to their will instead of both sides just living in peace. “Spiritual harm” my rear. This is nothing more than a poorly disguised attack on the church.

  • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

    They can file their complaint with Jesus Christ at their judgment.

  • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

    here we go…

    • Chrissy Vee

      🙂

  • Tina Taylor

    separation of church & state was the cornerstone for getting the marriages legalized. we may not be able to stop this but we have the right to not participate.

  • Kathy Gambill Wittman

    At present I am a member of a United Methodist Church, but if they abandon the Book of Discipline’s stance against gay marriage and gay clergy, then I plan to withdraw my membership because the Methodist churches will become part of the apostate church, as prophesized in Revelations because they will be rejecting God’s word. All sex outside of marriage between a man and woman is sin! God’s word is eternal! He is Alpha and Omega! God is judging America because many people have chosen to rebel against His Righteousness and Holiness!

    • Gary

      The United Methodist Church long ago rejected Christianity. If you are really a Christian, why are you still associating with that bunch of infidels?

      • http://www.kaleidoscopicvisionquest.com/ Kathy Gambill Wittman

        Gary, I am really a Christian. I accepted Christ as my savior in the Southern Baptist Church of my youth. I am a member now of a Methodist Church in Wheatland, Wyoming because my husband and I decided to join back in 2000. He’s a former Catholic, and when we got married back in 1998, we felt led at that time to become Methodists. I did not realize then that the UMC would be divided by an extremely liberal apostate group of people. If you will recall, President Clinton and Congress passed the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), and I thought most Americans would take a stand against gay marriage. I don’t agree with your statement that the United Methodist Church long ago rejected Christianity. Although there are some liberal Methodist members, there are numerous Methodist members who are truly conservative in their political and theological beliefs. You should not group them all as a “bunch of infidels”! The Bible warns us not to judge, lest we be judged by God! As for myself, I am certain of my salvation, not because I am a member of the local Methodist church here in Wheatland, but because I am saved from my sins because Christ died on the cross for me, through God’s grace, not by my works. It remains to be seen whether the Methodists will decide to follow God’s righteousness or the world’s wickedness when they have their next group meeting in 2016. If they decide to change their rules in their book of discipline that are against gay marriage and against ordaining gay members at that time, then I am determined to withdraw my membership. I will most likely start attending the local Southern Baptist church here in Wheatland if that is the case. What we are seeing in particular denominations that are abandoning their faith is a fulfillment of prophecy about the apostate church that will emerge as we get closer to the period of tribulation described in Revelations. I have read numerous books on prophecy, and I do believe we are seeing the “birth pangs” that Jesus, himself, describes in Matthew 24.

    • Demmi Greene

      May God bless you and guide your decision. We all know you are, no doubt, in a state of shock.

  • Guest

    You shall know them by their fruits. You either follow Jesus Christ or the devil. Christians have a right to choose. If anyone desires the fires of hell it is his democratic right but Christians will not be intimidated by anyone into breads God’s Commandments in the name of the GLOBAL SATANIC movement in the name of GAY rights. Christians are no ordinary beings. We are like Daniel, Shadrack, Meshach and Abednego of old. We are the present day Elijah,s and like John the Baptist whom you rulers of SODOM beheaded for boldly pointing out you are SINNERS. REPENT of you perish. Christ is coming soon. Amen

  • Alphayo Nyakundi

    ou shall know them by their fruits. You either follow Jesus Christ or the devil. Christians have a right to choose. If anyone desires the fires of hell it is his democratic right but Christians will not be intimidated by anyone into breaking God’s Commandments in the name of the GLOBAL SATANIC movement in the name of GAY rights. Christians are no ordinary beings. We are like Daniel, Shadrack, Meshach and Abednego of old. We are the present day Elijah,s and like John the Baptist whom you rulers of SODOM beheaded for boldly pointing out you are SINNERS. REPENT or you perish. Christ is coming soon. Amen

  • Gary

    It was not long ago that the homosexuals promised not to try to force people to accept ssm, or participate in it. Now we know that promise was a lie. The sodomite agenda is to FORCE people to accept whatever the homosexuals want, or suffer retaliation. That has always been their plan.

  • Gary

    If the United Methodists had not been so wicked and stupid as to let homosexuals be members of their churches, this might have been avoided. The UMC will surrender all to the homosexuals. Instead of surrendering all to Christ, they are surrendering all to perverts. You reap what you sow.

  • bowie1

    Have they considered the Unitarian Church which would only be too happen to grant their request?

  • ivanvivian

    When the homosexuals filed a compliant against the pastor who would not marry them, they actually filed a compliant against every single Christian. Hence, every single Christian should come to the defense of the pastor. The very best form of defense is attack. We ought to go after the homosexuals till they never ever dare file another compliant.

    If every single Christian would now file a complaint against the gays for attacking a brother, we would quench and execute this liberal trash.

    • Rose

      That would only create more hate and it would create an unnecessary war. Jesus already won the war, there’s no need to go and start another one.

    • Chrissy Vee

      At least fight and stand up for our right to practice our faith without being bullied, harrassed and sued into something that goes against our God and convictions. We could always counter sue for the pain and anguish it causes us.

  • Demopublicrat

    If marriage isn’t a religious institution, why do the sodomites want to profess their perversion in a church?

  • sidneyallenjohnson

    This won’t stop until the toleration of homosexuality is stopped.

  • Rachael EM

    Lets pray that both the church comes to repentance for putting the unrepentant sinner in a position of authority, and that this couple come to repentance of their sinful choices and pick up their crosses and deny themselves. Yes our churches will continue to have evil like this slowly seep in more and more. We must pray we can hold fast to those with wisdom and knowledge against it. Hold strong to the faith brothers and sister. And don’t be made fools on judgment day.

    • Rachael EM

      The calling if the true church, Gods sheep will be soon 🙂 just the separation of the goats from the sheep.

  • RDH1988

    Stand with God and be judged by the (ever increasingly evil) world, or stand with the world and be judged by God!!

  • KellyKAFIR

    LOL the pastor not marrying them has caused great spiritual harm… HAHAHAHA… no buddy, your homosexuality has caused you great spiritual harm. But whatever…it’s your soul not mine.

  • Chris Chirtes

    So there “marriage” is gone be on what, persecution, so much love from them.
    Homosexual life is sin against God, you can’t make people love you, you can’t make people accept your sinful life and if they don’t you, you or them are gone sue them?
    Why they want to get married in the church?
    Answer: to Mocking God

  • James Grimes

    And so the soap opera continues… another episode on the way to schism. The UMC is in serious danger of a split and the sooner, the better. When that happens, the conservatives in the denomination, those who actually believe in what the Bible teaches us, will be free to honor God the way He should be.

    • Gary

      I doubt there are any Bible believers left in the UMC. If there ever were any, they would have left long ago over the previous heresies of the UMC.

      • James Grimes

        You’re probably correct. The ones I know are very delusional. They support the ordination of women and homosexual “marriage.” I’m not sure how much more apostate they can be.

  • Rosanna Miller

    Daniel 7:25
    He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. THE HOLY PEOPLE WILL BE DELIVERED into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

    Isaiah 33:1
    Woe to you, destroyer, you who have not been destroyed! Woe to you, betrayer, you who have not been betrayed! When you stop destroying, you will be destroyed; when you stop betraying, you will be betrayed.

    PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! He is the King of kings and Lord of lords!

  • Peter Leh

    I assumed by the headline the couple was seeking legal action but in fact was appealing the issue to the governing board. :

    “filed the complaint with the Western North Carolina Office of the United Methodist Church”