Student Sues School After Being Suspended Over Sharing Christ With Classmates

LealEVERETT, Wash. — A high school student in Washington has filed a legal challenge against school officials after he was repeatedly suspended this fall over his evangelistic activities on campus.

Michael Leal is a senior at Cascade High School in Everett, and has been suspended three times since September because of his efforts to share his Christian faith with his classmates. Leal distributes gospel literature to students and also preached in the open air during a recent school event. According to the Pacific Justice Institute (PJI), which is representing the teen in court, Leal faces expulsion if he continues his activities, which the school has claimed is a “disruption” on campus.

According to the Post-Intelligencer and the complaint filed this week, the situation began in early September when Leal distributed copies of the booklet “How to Know God” during his lunch period. He was escorted to the principal’s office and told that his actions could be offensive.

Last month, Leal again handed out tracts during the school’s “bonfire bash” and decided to preach as well, speaking on God’s law and the gospel. But he was soon approached by Principal Cathy Woods, who asked him to stop. When he continued preaching, school officials called the police, who talked with Leal, but did not stop him from his activities. However, the following day, the student was suspended from school over the incident.

Days later, Leal attempted to hand out tracts at an after school volleyball game, but was again confronted. He was told that he needed Woods’ permission to distribute the materials, but was allegedly told by Woods that she would be “breaking the law” if she allowed him to continue.

The following day, Leal went back to handing out the pamphlets during his lunch period and the non-instructional time in class. He was suspended for the third time for the “distribution of religious material and failure to comply with school rules.”

In communicating with PJI, which Leal then contacted about the matter, Cascade High School attorney Michael Patterson asserted that the student wasn’t targeted because of his Christian speech, but rather because he was labeled a “disruption.”

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“At no time was Mr. Leal told that his distribution of material or his statements were inappropriate at school because of their religious content,” he wrote. “Rather, he was informed of district policy … and told that he needed to comply with it. He was also informed that he could not create a substantial disruption at school or school events.”

But PJI says that at no time was Leal disruptive, and contends that the school policy, which “only allows student literature to be distributed at school entrances and exits, before and after school, and even then only if the literature is written by a student” is overly restrictive.

“Leal has not now, nor has he ever, used preaching or distribution of literature, to harass, intimidate, or bully any students, school employees, or others on campus,” the group stated.

It filed a legal challenge this week in an effort to regain the student’s rights to share his faith on campus.

“It is deeply troubling to see a school district dig in its heels on a policy that is so clearly unconstitutional,” PJI President Brad Dacus said in a statement on Wednesday. “We are eager to vindicate Mr. Leal’s rights and prevent him from being expelled for simply sharing his deeply-held beliefs. We need more high school seniors, not less, who have strong moral convictions and are concerned about their fellow students.”


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  • railhead

    This boy is obviously trying hard to follow the great commission, but like me at one point, didn’t really know how to go about it. Handing out tracts is not the Bible’s way and neither is preaching out loud in the open (Isaiah 42:2). When Jesus was getting people saved, he talked to them one on one…like Nicodemus, and the woman at Sychar’s well, etc. The disciples were sent out two by two, without tracts and without causing any disturbances. Tracts these days are filled with false doctrine such as “you must repent of your sins to be saved” (a phrase that never occurs in the Bible and that teaches works salvation.)

    He could go back to school and just start up conversations with the other kids, show them a few verses from the Bible, get them saved, and really see some results. I hope maybe he’ll read this, because this is something I was confused on for so long, and modern “Christianity” knows and teaches nothing but man’s methods. Remember the Ethiopian Eunuch; he had someone explain the scripture to him and immediately got saved. The Philipian jailer as well. Modern Christians may scoff at God’s method and often use derogatory terms about it (easy believism, quick prayerism, etc.)….but it is God’s method and it WORKS, and man’s methods don’t. When I learned how to show someone the gospel using only the Bible, I saw results…..with tracts I never saw any results, and highly doubt anyone got saved from them. And shouting at people as they pass by just annoys them.

    • Shawn Atchison

      Are you forgetting about Stephen, Peter, Paul, and the other disciples? Every single one of the preached out loud in marketplaces, open areas, wherever people were gathered. They are our example. We must let our lights shine from the rooftops, not hide it under a bushel.

      This young man is an example of what ALL Christians ought to be doing in every venue we spend our lives, work, school, the market, the post office, courthouses, colleges, need I go on. There is no single place on earth where the preaching of the gospel should not take place.

    • Neiman

      Jesus spoke out in the open, to very large crowds, He spoke on the streets, in the fields and everywhere. John the Baptist reproved people of their sins and called them to repentance, to great crowds of people.

      Jesus, John the Baptist and every Apostle called first for repentance, “The first public word Jesus preached was “repent” (Matthew 4:17). John the Baptist began his ministry the same way (Matthew 3:2). Jesus told His hearers that without repentance, they would perish (Luke 13:3). If belief is all that is necessary for salvation, then the logical conclusion is that one need never repent.”

      You do not know God’s Word at all.

    • KenS

      James 2:19 says, “Thou believest that there is on God; thou doest well: the devils also beliee, and tremble.

      so, based on your logic of believing only, the devils are saved as well, see the flaw in your logic.

      • railhead

        No, reread that passage; the devils believe there is ONE GOD. They do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as their saviour. Muslims believe there is one God, as well, and are also not saved.

        Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
        Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
        Now when the Apostles were asked how to get saved, notice what they said. They didn’t say anything else but “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.”

        • KenS

          You completely twisted my words around. the devils do believe that Jesus is the One and only God, remember they were in heaven with lucifer before joining lucifer in his rebellion, therefore they knew God, the father, God the son, and God, the holy spirit. They are not offered salvation by Jesus, the son, because they are not Man, they are eternally condemned.

        • KenS

          Nowhere in my comment did I imply that demons believed on God for their salvation. demons know they are condemned and are trying to take as many humans as they can with them. Demons believe in God because they were in Heaven with Him until they joined with Lucifer (satan) during the rebellion and 1/3rd of the Angels became Satan’s followers/demons. My point was that in your post you were saying that believing in God was all it takes to be saved, I was pointing out that if that is all it takes, demons would be saved as well, that is the whole reason that James made this remark to show that just believing in God is not enough, YOu have to repent of your sins and BELIEVE that Jesus died for those sins and your salvation.

          • railhead

            It’s funny you say you must “repent of your sins” yet the Bible never uses that phrase even once. It does however say “that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have eternal life” (John 3:15) It also says the same thing in John 3:36, John 5:24, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9, and many other places.
            Believing on Jesus is all it takes to be saved, period. The problem is most people believe that Jesus existed, maybe even believe parts of the Bible, but the above part where it says whosoever believeth has eternal life is the part they don’t believe. Thus, they have made God a liar according to 1 John 5:10-11. If you believe you have to do something to get saved (such as turn from your sins, which God calls works in Jonah 3:10), you are not believing in Jesus, you are believing in your turning from sins.

  • Carol Cantell Moorby

    God has told his people to go preach the great commission….Man can NOT over rule God. It was said that at no time did this student intimidate, harass or condemn anyone…He just shared the gospel. In Floeida the satanists are handing out satanic literature and even comic books to recruit our children. This is being allowed. we are protected under the constitution religious freedom and freedom of speech.,No,wonder Obama wants to edit the constitution. his goal is to indoctrinate America to Islam . There are also schools handing out Muslim agendas and teaching it to our kids. The kids are told NOT to bring these handouts home…just to keep them at school.,.Mislims and satanists are getting away with it……no one is stopping them… EQUAL TIME!!!!!

  • BeWhoYouAre

    Public schools are the not the place to be proselytizing. I don’t see Christianity as being picked on here. You shouldn’t do it with ANY religious literature. It is not the place.

    • Shawn Atchison

      God said go into all the world and make disciples of all men. There is no place on earth that is off-limits to this command from God.

      • BeWhoYouAre

        How would you feel if it was a Muslim doing it?

        • Albert Bricker Jr

          I would take their tracts read them and take time to ask questions before I made judgement. If I found their philosophy to be filled with lies. I would simply toss their material in the trash. The same way I do with other material. But I see know need to stop someones freedom of speech unless such material promotes murder, rape, Abuse, porn

        • pastoredsmith

          This America. As long as they are not beheading or otherwise threatening people and they are actually “peaceful” Muslims, there is no problem. This is America. If you don’t like it, move to another country.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

          How would you feel if it was an atheist doing it?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            I have never seen an atheist proselytizing. My suspicion is they don’t. But if they did I’d find it equally ridiculous.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            No they’re just verbally abusive which is way worse.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Well, I have never had an atheist stop me in the street and call me a hellbound sinner and tell me that I’m going to hell. But that HAS happened with fundamentalist Christians (as they tend to be the ones who preach on the street).

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            No they just walk into Christian homes and churches and kill them.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            But of course the reverse never happens.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Do they just say that? Or do they tell you there is a way out? Would you prefer being told the truth by someone who cares about you, and declining it and freely walking away?…or would you prefer being forced and beheaded?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Look, if they are fundamentalist Christians, then they AREN’T giving me the truth.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Look… if it is truth to us.. and we TRULY BELIEVE that all people are destined for Hell, and that Jesus is the only way out, than putting all preconceived notions and malice aside, don’t you think it is actually an act of love to tell others? I know many atheists who feel that way. I wish more saw it in that light.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            But what about all the people who know your message and have heard it already, countless times, and do not believe it? Is it right to continue to bother them?

          • Chrissy Vee

            Well… two things… we don’t know you may have heard it before. (Believe it or not, some people actually are hearing it for the first time.) And two, I believe every time a person hears about Christ, it is not a coincidence, but a call from God. So, you, being someone who hears it many times and does not believe, yes, I completely understand it can get on your nerves…. but at the same time, please understand, we are doing what we are called Maybe someday, something will happen, and your eyes will be opened to the miracle of life and the mighty works of God who crwated it. I truly hope so. (haha, I guess you can count this as another time… sorry, it just happens so naturally :/)
            And I apologize for myself or any other Christian who may get snippy. It also gets frustrating for us to have our faith and character attacked, sometimes visciously.

          • jmichael39

            You have a mouth, open it and say, thanks, but no thanks…sheesh.

          • jmichael39

            “Look, if they are fundamentalist Christians, then they AREN’T giving me the truth.” – that’s about as irrational and unprovable a statement as any I’ve heard in awhile.

          • jmichael39

            oh, so only calling you a sinner is what qualifies as wrong?

          • The Last Trump

            Well, as you can see, it’s the only place left to them TO preach.

          • jmichael39

            I have seen atheists proselytizing all the time. Heck they even have Atheist churches now.

        • Shawn Atchison

          I would feel that the individual was deceiving the people. However, I wouldn’t make a move to stop it because we have freedom of religion in this country. No person can convert another. Only God can change the heart. As a Christian, my part is to spread the message and let God do the converting. By not doing so, I’d be in disobedience to God which is far worse than disobeying man’s law.

          Muslims want to proselytize and they have that right in this country just like anyone else.

      • Miss Elle

        There are millions of people on Earth who don’t believe in your fairytale…mostly because it’s a complete lie. You DO NOT have any right to inflict your fairytale on others

        • Albert Bricker Jr

          And neither do the Evolutionist fairy tale.

          • Miss Elle

            You can argue against the facts til you’re blue in the face….you’re still wrong, the student is STILL WRONG and evolution only continues to strengthen and broaden it’s basis in scientific fact. Religion in America is dying….and it’s death can’t come fast enough

          • Albert Bricker Jr

            I agree religion is dieing. But true Christianity is alive and well. Baptist, Methodist, etc… are not Christians and many are beginning to see their doctrine for what it is in the realm of religion. But on the other foot Evolution is also dieing. Evidence is driving more away from Evolution and moving to Free thinking.

          • Miss Elle

            I’m sorry to have to tell you this but are completely wrong. All religion in America is dying. The bologna and hatred woven into religion is disgusting and religion is dying. On the other hand and completely contrary to your soundbite, evolution is growing and getting stronger and every single day science reveals more and more proof. Undeniable facts that continue to drive the nail in religions coffin. People are getting fed up with hate doctrine wrapped in religious myths and peddled by small men who seek to control others. You can bury your head in the sand for as long as you wish……but scientific proof is undeniable and it will rule the Earth and dance on your cults grave

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            LOL cool story bro. You do realize that you’re talking to a wall right? The only person you’re riling up is yourself. But hey, have a nice day! : ) LOL

          • Chrissy Vee

            Wow. You’re so delusional. Scientific proof, ha? What has science PROVEN.
            Science has not PROVEN yet that there is no God, yet, as of late, has actually been pointing to Intelligent Design. Who’s head has been buried in the sand?
            You are so wrapped up in your faith and hatred, pointing your fingers at those with wisdom, that you are blind to what is right in front of you. You are a fool.

          • Miss Elle

            You can’t disprove a double negative stupid. You believe in something with zero proof for thousands of years…it’s YOUR responsibility to prove it’s existence. Since you cannot prove your asinine assertions….conversation over…checkmate. You lose, now go back to your delusion and live in conditioned, brainwashed bliss

          • Chrissy Vee

            ;O~~yaaaawwwn … go take your meds… Oh, and leave the Christians alone. You can’t handle hanging with the grown ups.

          • Miss Elle

            Tell ya what….you take your delusion and you keep it in your home or in your church and we won’t have any issues but so long as loonies like you keep trying to force people to surrender to your delusion….those of us who live in reality will be there trying to help you realize just how mentally ill you really are

          • Chrissy Vee

            You’re still here? You just love us, don’t you? 🙂 ♥

          • The Last Trump

            Ummm…..somebody seems to be on the wrong side of science! Where you been getting your “scientific” data, “Elle” magazine?

            Let me see if I’ve got this correctly. NOTHING created EVERYTHING. So you believe in MAGIC, just not a CREATOR. You guys are too much! Hey genius, do space shuttles create themselves? How about nuclear power plants? Air craft carriers? Exactly. Did you need a PhD to figure that out? Girl, you’re in worse shape than I thought!

            Clear design is clear design. Only a complete moron would look at something so incredibly complex and multifaceted, with their intricate systems engineered with purpose and great planning and come up with, “they created themselves!”. What sheer stupidity. And then you have the gall to ridicule others for recognizing that the design had a Designer! How embarrassing. I’m sorry but I’m just not stupid enough to be an atheist evolutionist. I tried, I really did. The evidence just kept getting in the way. 🙁

          • pastoredsmith

            You are the one arguing against the facts, Miss Elle, whoever you are. You have no explanation of the origin of the universe that is credible, and you are the one purporting fairy tales. The hatred is strong in this one. And, it makes you look like a vile, hate spewing idiot.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            You can argue against the facts til you’re blue in the face….you’re
            still wrong, the student is STILL right and creationism only continues to
            strengthen and broaden it’s basis in scientific fact. Atheism in
            America is dying….and it’s death can’t come fast enough.
            Fixed it for you. Have a nice day : )

          • Chrissy Vee

            ‘Evolution only continues to strengthen and broaden it’s basis in scientific fact’?! Really? No… I mean… you really believe this? Really?
            No more calls folks, we have a winner! Ding Ding Ding!

          • Miss Elle

            To knowingly disregard facts is called cognitive dissonance….you my dear are deeply guilty of it. Have fun in your deluded fairytale

          • Chrissy Vee

            Said Miss Elle.

          • The Last Trump

            Funny. America seems to be dying too, or hadn’t you noticed, blind one? Wonder why….

        • pastoredsmith

          You do not have any right to impose your atheistic views on anyone in America! Atheism is a religion, and you people simply want to silence Christians because you know we are telling the truth. Let go of your hated of Christians! It makes you look stupid.

          • Miss Elle

            The only hate i see…the christian hate for the people they don’t like and can’t control. I don’t hate it….it just disgusts me

          • pastoredsmith

            The only hate here is in your eyes because it lives behind them. Christians do not hate. A relationship with God sets the soul free, not entangles in bondage. Your disgust is coming from your hatred. It is obvious in your posts that you hate God and His followers. And, go ahead and say it. You would give all you have to silence us. Right?

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

          There are millions of people on Earth who don’t believe in your fairytale…mostly because it’s a complete lie. You DO NOT have any right to inflict your fairytale on others.
          MERRY CHRISTMAS! : )

          • Miss Elle

            You speak of fairytale while conveniently ignoring what it is. It’s a myth, an unfounded story, a tale with no basis in reality, wishful thinking woven as a story. When you say fairytale you MUST be speaking of religion which fits that description to a T. Scientific facts are undeniable. Thousands of years of evidence and hundreds of years of verified, scientifically repeatable evidence and experiments…mountains of physical solid preserved artifacts which have been painstakingly investigated and examined by the most highly trained scientists and investigators…..all of that slaps your bullshit fairytale in the face and completely reveals it for the joke and lie that it is

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            And snarky comments are go:
            1. tl:dr
            2. Good Joke! LOL
            3. you do realize I don’t read anything you’re posting right?
            4. Jesus loves you
            5. butthurt much?
            6. cool story bro
            7. LOL WUT?
            8. Go to Christian news site
            Post anti-christian comments
            Get trolled by a Christian
            ?????
            PROFIT!
            9. I think I hit the jackpot with this one! wheee my new favorite LOL COW : )
            10. Arguing on the interbutts is like playing in the special olympics- you may get the bronze, but you’re still a retard.

            So which snarky comment did you find the most offensive? Please make sure to post a long uninteresting diatribe about how much you hate Christians, it’s a myth, it’s evil, blah blah blah, it never gets old.

          • Miss Elle

            You’re trapped by facts…..enjoy la la land before it dies

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            Thank you for recognizing that I DO INDEED have the facts. Jesus is after all the way, the TRUTH and the life.

          • Miss Elle

            Do you know how to comprehend what you read??? Are you sure?? The facts you just laid claimed to are established scientific reality and sound reasoning in scientific principles backed by hundreds of years of painstaking work that absolutely support evolution and the big bang. I’m glad to see you have begun the process to be release from the idiotic the fairytale you’ve been trapped in for far too long!!!! Welcome to reality and rationalized free thought….your welcome to think for yourself now!!!

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            Why are you so intolerant of other people’s beliefs?

          • Miss Elle

            Intolerance is your bag….i’m not intolerant of religion i’m disgusted by it and sick of it’s hatred and lack of tolerance of anyone they don’t approve of

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            Why can’t you just let people believe what they want? By the very definition you’re being intolerant. You can’t stand anyone believing anything different than you believe so you come here and shove your beliefs down everyone’s throat. Did you expect to be welcomed as some sort of hero when you’re posting angry hate-filled rants? Verbal abuse is no way to win anyone over!

          • Miss Elle

            Tell ya what…when your hateful, ignorant, bigoted idiotic cult stops trying to force it’s beliefs on everyone….i won’t have a word to say. So long as you continue on this jihad and continue to try and install christian sharia law and enforce it with the christian taliban. So long as you continue to try and replace fact based education with religious fairytale horseshit, we the people who live in reality will be here but should you amend your ways, live your life and leave everyone else alone….i’ll be perfectly fine with live and let live…..when THAT happens

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            You should look in the mirror. You are the one posting hate speech. Nobody asked you to come here and harass them. You’re verbal abuse, intolerance, racism, and hate speech isn’t welcome here. Stop trying to shove your beliefs down everyone’s throats! What you are doing is bigotry and ignorant. And I’m done trying to actually talk some sense into you. Your hate speech is getting flagged and downvoted. Maybe one day you’ll learn to be tolerant and accepting of other people. I sincerely hope your racism and antisemitism goes away.

          • Chrissy Vee

            I think she IS looking in the mirror. 😀

          • Chrissy Vee

            XD LMAoopsImeamBO!!!

          • pastoredsmith

            You speak lies and babble nonsense. You have no idea of what you speak! Christianity is filled with TRUTH. Atheism and its fool’s belief that is man-made and that qualifies as a fairy tale is that there is no God, when most atheists are nothing more than disgruntled former Christians who were hurt by the actions of a human being.
            Since you have no understanding of God and openly reject Him, you have no basis for morals because you are guilty of making them up as you go along. Deny that? Then, where do your morals come from? There is only one answer. The God of Christianity gave them to us! People have perverted them and atheists have negated them.
            That being the case, nothing you say is dependable. Nothing you spout has any basis in reality. Your interpretation of “science” is nothing but opinion. And, your criticism of Christianity is the one thing that clearly causes your hatred of God and His people to shine. Let go of your hatred. It makes you look completely foolish.

        • Wootsauce

          It’s called the 1st Amendment…

          • Miss Elle

            1st Amendment guarantee’s your right to practice your religion UNTO yourself. The establishment clause VERY CLEARLY draws a sharp line here. You are free to practice unto yourself…you ARE NOT free to proselytize or to attempt to inflict your religious beliefs on others. The student is CLEARLY in the wrong. He violated the Constitution, the State Constitution and both the school district policy as well as the schools policy. He should be immediately expelled and never allowed on district controlled property ever again……unfortunately for you, the Constitution does NOT support you and in fact fully supports the rightful decision of the district

          • Wootsauce

            HAHAHAHA! What a ridiculous assertion. Have you ever READ the Constitution?

          • Wootsauce

            You actually made me laugh out loud. Truly! But let me help you out here.

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

            I see no statement of “UNTO yourself” Please enlighten me…

          • Miss Elle

            You’re either too stupid or too ignorant to understand the establishment clause….which really shouldn’t surprise anyone. You really should read the Constitution and learn this reality that you obviously choose to ignore

          • Wootsauce

            Trust me honey. I have encountered trolls that have WAY more talent than you. You should get a new shtick. Countless Supreme Court cases disagree with you. What is you lefties say; the science is settled?

          • KenS

            the establishment clause is there to keep Congress(the federal government) from establishing a State/Federal Religion, I do not know what you think it means, but nothing this young man is doing can be conceived as establishing a national religion, he is not even a part of any government.

        • Shawn Atchison

          Man given rights, perhaps not.

          However, God has given us a commandment. He is the one who decides where our souls will reside, heaven or hell. Man doesn’t have that power. All they can do is take our body, but not our soul.

          You believe it’s a fairy tale. That’s up to you. It doesn’t negate however, that those of us that do believe have a higher calling, an obligation to God that overrides any obligations to any person or law on this earth. We will never stop, no matter what the consequences are.

    • James Grimes

      He can do it during non-instructional time as long as he does not disrupt other students’ learning time. The administrators caused any disruption that may have taken place.

      • BeWhoYouAre

        Would you say the same thing if he were distributing Muslim literature?

        • James Grimes

          Absolutely!

          Would you be making this meaningless comment if you weren’t an Atheist?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Just because you can’t comprehend it doesn’t make it a meaningless comment. The point I’m trying to make is that you’re a hypocrite. Here you are defending the behavior, but it were someone promoting a religion other than yours you’d be all over him too.

          • James Grimes

            I’m not interested in any of the Atheists’ opinions that are flooding this site. This would include anything you have to say. Have a nice day.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            I’m not an atheist. Facts are your friends, you should utilize them.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            I am not an atheist.
            Facts are your friends. Don’t reject them, even when fundamentalist Christianity tells you to.

          • KenS

            did u even read his response, he said absolutely when asked if he would say the same thing if he were distributing Muslim literature? Or do you not believe that Muslim is a different religion from christianity?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            What I’m saying is I don’t believe him. He would NOT be OK with a Muslim doing the same thing.

          • KenS

            I believe to be truly free to exercise our freedom of religion,we have to tolerate others being able to freely exericise their religion as well. Otherwise,we will never be truly free and once we trample on another religions freedom, that opens the door for ours to be trampled on as well.

        • pastoredsmith

          Yes. Welcome to America. So long as Muslims are truly “peaceful” rather than beheading people or threatening people, there is no problem.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

          Would you say the same thing if he were distributing atheist literature?

        • Chrissy Vee
    • pastoredsmith

      Wrong. The First Amendment allows for the free practice of religion. Nobody is required to check their religion at the gate! Atheists think they can eliminate all ability to express their faith in God on school campuses, but that is not allowable under the First Amendment!! Schools are not “atheist zones,” in spite of the fact that FFRF wants it that way and sues to try to intimidate people into silence. Preach on, kid! It’s your right under the First Amendment!!

      • Tim Raynor

        They are neutral zones for teacher’s and staff, and plenty of Supreme Court rulings say so. Students can chat and practice their religion, but since public school staff is government, they [teachers] are to remain neutral.

        • pastoredsmith

          This has not always been. In fact, this changed recently due to atheists filing threatening lawsuits. Teachers and faculty are not wards of the state; and according to the First Amendment, these SCOTUS rulings are unlawful. It is unlawful to force any American into silence concerning their faith. BTW. A “neutral zone” is equal to an “atheist zone.” (“no God). Atheism is alive and well on public school campuses. Atheism is a religion. They now have churches, “clergy,” and tax exemptions. As I contend, if you force Christianity out of school, you should force ALL religion out of school. Atheism, Islam; all of it. But, that is not the case.

          • Tim Raynor

            But you’re not getting the point. Religion is not forced out from the students. Again, students can express any kind of religion or non-religion they want, so long as it is not distracting teaching and study time. Teachers and administrators of the school are government employees and must remain neutral around the students when it comes to religion. That’s just what the laws is, and it’s a common sense law because “government” has no authority promoting one religion over another. And no, “neutral” does not equate to “Atheism” in no way whatsoever.

          • pastoredsmith

            No, you miss the point. This kid is being denied his freedom of religion. If his speech was about anything else, he would not have been suspended for “violating the First Amendment.” And, no teacher should be forced to leave their Christianity at the gate; not in America. Not according to the First Amendment. Teachers can and are forced to teach evolution and the “big bang” religions. Teachers are forced to teach “atheism” (no God at this place!). Teachers are teaching their religion if it is false. Muslims are demanding and getting permission to pray in their fashion. It is Christians that are getting the shaft because we tell the real truth, we are in the majority in America and atheists hate us most of all.
            There is nothing common sense about a government that forbids Christianity. And, regardless of what you think, “neutral” is equal to “atheism.” Get used to it. The wool has been pulled over your eyes if you can’t see that simple fact. Ask an atheist. They are rejoicing about their beliefs being put into practice at public schools that are “neutral.”

          • Tim Raynor

            Then you clearly do not understand the laws that are already in place when it comes to Public Schools and Religion. I suggest you read-up on them and read the Supreme Court cases dealing with such matters. And clearly, science is not religion just as Atheism is not science in any way, shape or forum. Your argument that teachers are forced to teach students atheism is false and I know plenty of teachers that would laugh at your argument.

          • pastoredsmith

            One thing we must make clear if we are to have any ground for discussion. Atheism IS a religion. Complete with “mega churches,” “atheist clergy,” and a bona fide tax exemption from the IRS. There is no denying that.
            Also, the absence of God is equal to atheism. This must be clear. Do you not teach, advocate and try to force the silence of anyone who dares to proclaim their faith in public? You cannot deny this. It is everywhere. Atheists are generally hate-filled mongrels who want nothing less than total silence of Christians (mainly). No denying that unless you just wish to lie to cover it up.
            And, as to “laws,” most of the laws concerning the silence of Christians and the so-called “separation of church and state” are not defined in the US Constitution in the manner the rogue US court system is redefining them. The First Amendment clearly allows for the FREE PRACTICE of religion! It also forbids the state from establishing a religion; a thing that has been as overworked as the popular phrase “I love you.” This phrase has never, until recent times, meant that all people are to check their faith at the gate. It never meant that anyone was not free to express their faith in public; even if they are the valedictorian or salutatorian at graduation or as a teacher in front of a class. And, it is the right of the people listening not to heed what they hear. That is true for ALL religions in the US, not just “atheism, the absence of religion.”
            Atheism is being taught in public schools because of the forced silence of anyone with any religious speech therein. Again, atheists teach the fool’s fable that “there is no God.” Therefore, when people are forced into silence if they are religious, they are forced to abide by the tenants of atheism. I fully understand the laws. It is atheists who reinterpret them to mean complete silence. Not gonna happen.

      • BeWhoYouAre

        No, schools are not “atheist zones” but neither are they “Christian zones” or “Muslim zones” – they should be religiously neutral. This is not about atheism.

        • pastoredsmith

          That is ludicrous. Forcing religion out of public schools is because they are atheist zones. “neutral zone” is equal to “no God,” therefore, “atheist zones.” They wanted it. Yes, it’s all about atheism.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Given that the US is in no way founded on the Christian religion, there is no reason to promote it in the public schools. Unless you want to give the same kind of time to other faiths as well.

            Not ludicrous. Facts.
            http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm

          • Wootsauce

            Students can do as they please when it comes to religion..

          • pastoredsmith

            No, I’m not in favor of public schools in any way promoting Christianity. It is not the school’s place. It is also not the school’s nor the government’s place to prohibit the free exercise thereof, as this school is plainly doing. As to “no God” in public school, that is an “atheist zone.” Religion in public schools. Just ALLOW it. Not PROHIBIT its free exercise! That is not anyone’s privy under the First Amendment.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

      This forum is not a place to be proselytizing! I don’t see atheism as being picked on here. You shouldn’t do it with ANY non-religious literature. It is not the place.

    • Tim Raynor

      Agreed, however, students do have the right to practice their religion in a public school, so long as it does not become distracting during curriculum hours. It is the teachers and staff that cannot legally preach or practice religion around the students.

    • jmichael39

      Are these kids Americans? Are they protected under the first amendment? Show me the court cases where it has been interpreted that a student has no right to speak or exercise his religion on the grounds of a public school. So long as he is not disrupting the classrooms, you can’t begin to be right that this is not the place.

      • BeWhoYouAre

        Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean he SHOULD be doing it. If it’s disruptive and causing others and the school to be irritated with him then it’s very right that the school put a stop to it.

        • jmichael39

          Well too bad, because the school, an agent of the government, explicitly has no right to tell the student he has no right to do what he was doing. He has EVERY right to do what he was doing…despite your self-righteous BS.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            If it’s annoying and disctracting to the school’s students, yes it does. Keep your bible in your church.

          • jmichael39

            You REALLY want a world where we aren’t allowed to do something just because it ANNOYS or DISTRACTS someone? Seriously?! Get a grip on your bigotry…yeah, that’s what it is. You want bibles kept in churches you’d be better off moving to China…cause you’re not getting that here.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.

          • jmichael39

            Well, considering that would be a direct violation of Christ’s Great Commission, you’ll forgive us Christians don’t comply.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            No it isn’t. You can allow people to come to you and then tell them. To scream it at people who either know it already or don’t want to hear it for the millionth time is just going annoy them.

          • jmichael39

            Do you really think I’m gonna stand at the judgment seat and explain to the Lord that I didn’t do what He commissioned us to do, but at least I didn’t ANNOY anybody by telling them about the good news of His saving grace without them first asking me? The Great Commission is GO into all world…there is no call to wait for anyone to come to us. Sorry…but you’re understanding of the bible is deeply flawed…at least on this issue.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            So what good are you doing by telling people what they have heard before or have actively rejected?

          • jmichael39

            what do you care? Its the command of my God…do you really think I give a crap what you think I may or may not be accomplishing by following the commands of my God?

    • The Last Trump

      Of course it is the place. Supposed to be an institution of learning! Exploring all ideas. What’s everybody so afraid of today? People losing their freaking minds because somebody quotes a Bible verse! Scared much, atheists? Let the kids have a good look at all religions and find out the truth for themselves. God’s not afraid to let you see what works and what doesn’t.

      • BeWhoYouAre

        Do we really want to be “educated” by someone clearly in his spiritual infancy, though?

  • Frank

    This young man is an excellent example for everyone who claims to be a Christian. He is not bowing down to man telling him to not preach in the name of Jesus as so many today are doing. He is perfectly within his legal rights to do what he is doing and as Paul exercised and used his legal rights to preach so is the young man. All these people who claim to be Christian yet are lukewarm being quiet about Jesus hiding their light under the bed will be spit out yet this young man who is hot for Jesus will go on ahead of them into eternal life. Wake up church and watch! Jesus is coming soon!

    • Miss Elle

      NO…..He IS NOT within his rights. In fact, he is violating the law, the Constitution AND school district policy. He should be immediately expelled from school and never allowed on district controlled property ever again!

      • Bradley Dugas

        Please explain to me what laws he broke. You do know that there is actually nothing in the constitution that says anything about a separation of church and state, right?

        • bob

          wrong first amendment states

          Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[

        • Bill Freidline

          School policy. Period. ‘Nuff said.

          If this was some kid touting the virtues of joining the Wiccan Church with such tenacity, would you still demand he be heard?

          • Bradley Dugas

            1st amendment protects his right to preach what you want, as long as it isn’t threatening / defamation / etc etc.

          • George T

            Bradley Dugas: …or disruptive. In this case the school staff determined that his activities were disruptive.

      • Albert Bricker Jr

        So you would be alright going into the school library and removing all the books that promote the religion of witchcraft, and other religions?

      • Neiman

        How is he violating the Constitution? If freedom or speech and freedom of religious expression do not exist with government buildings and on government property, they do not exist at all.

      • pastoredsmith

        You really need to read the First Amendment. Expressing one’s religion is perfectly allowed under the First Amendment. You must have flunked American History; else you took it under some revisionist textbook. Your hatred shows again!! Let go of your hate before it destroys you.

        • Bill Freidline

          Would you defend someone engaged in preaching that Islam was the only true religion? In other words, were this young man selling any religion other than Christianity, would you defend him?

          If so, great. I hope you spend lots of time defending other religions from Christian right wingers who feel that only their religion should be heard in the US.

          If not, you are part of the problem.

          • pastoredsmith

            You apparently have no knowledge about what America is all about based on your delusional comment. Perhaps you should move to Iran. After all, in America you are permitted to believe and practice whatever you wish.
            To correct your waywardness, you are the problem. Not me.

          • George T

            pastoredsmith: I agree that students are allowed to pray and practice their faith in school, as long as it’s not a disruption. In these cases the school did say that Michael was being disruptive. From the descriptions of these incidents it’s sounding like a bit of a grey zone regarding the *disruption* caused. Without more information I’d have to defer to the administrative staff to make a determination in each instance, as they’re paid to do.

          • pastoredsmith

            How could his activities be disruptive at lunch time? At a sporting event? During his “free time?”
            No, the problem here is obvious. He distributed Christian literature and shared his faith in God with other students and the school even said that he could be “offensive” to others.
            My response to your comment is this: Should the administration staff have the right to force anyone during their free time in such manners as described to stop sharing their faith in God or distributing literature? Once-upon-a-time, it was “Freedom of Speech” and “Freedom of Religion” that allowed this sort of thing, but now the government is dictating what is allowed and what is not.
            One more thing. If the Administration alone is allowed to decide what is disruptive or not with no appeals process from the student, then it is a dictatorship and not the America I grew up in.

          • George T

            pastoredsmith: Schools are basically dictatorships.

            …and I know I would feel like this student was disturbing me if I was enjoying my lunch with friends or reading a book silently and this student kept bothering me about Jesus.

          • pastoredsmith

            So, the US Constitution does not apply at school? Ridiculous.

            But, your point is that no student or teacher should be able to exercise their rights of free speech or freedom of religion? That is not America. That sounds like Putin’s Russia or maybe Cuba. But, it’s alright for atheists to sue anybody and everybody who dares mention Jesus Christ at school? It’s OK for schools to be “religion free” (atheist) zones in America because, after all, the Constitution is such an old, outdated document?
            Not in this lifetime. The US Constitution still stands. And, as President George W. Bush said at a graduation commencement exercise, the government does not have the right to stop the freedom of religion or speech.
            He is right about that, whether or not you think he is right about much of anything else or not.

          • George T

            pastoredsmith: No atheists are suing anybody. The student is the one suing in this case.

            The student was asked to stop being disruptive. …similar to a librarian asking a noisy person to be quiet to avoid bothering other library patrons. I don’t know all of the details in this situation and am not making an absolute statement either way. I’m just saying that I’m waiting for further information, and am leaving this up to the administrative staff to have made a reasonable decision.

          • pastoredsmith

            Are you an atheist?
            Do you live with your head in the sand or are you just lying? FFRF sues everybody who dares mention God at all in any situation whatsoever. Or threatens schools to stop kids from praying at graduation if they choose to. Or to force teachers to be forbidden from bringing Bibles to school or leaving one on a desk. Or for kids to wear “offensive” Christian tee shirts, although they will permit every kind of unfathomable evil on their shirts otherwise.
            The student was not asked to stop being disruptive. He was censored because of his Christian viewpoint.
            And, I do not know all of the details either….but, I’ve seen so much of this elsewhere….
            If the article is accurate and not leaving out key points, the administration did not make a reasonable decision at all. Free time is free time. If students can discuss anything they wish during this time except for Christianity, it is censorship.

          • George T

            pastoredsmith: I am an atheist. No, you’re making a “straw man” of the FFRF that’s inaccurate, then attacking the inaccurate caricature.

            Almost every situation you just described was a case of a government employee or representative (students giving a valedictorian speech are considers representatives of the school, and government by extension) violating the constitutions first amendment by endorsing one religion over others. The t-shirt and this proselytizing case were administrative decisions to avoid disruption of classes.

            For all I know this student was yelling and pounding a bible. I don’t know how disruptive he was actually being. Again, it was an administrative judgment call at that time.

          • pastoredsmith

            “you’re making a “straw man” of the FFRF that’s inaccurate, then attacking the inaccurate caricature.”
            No, atheist. That is your M.O. not mine. The FFRF sues everybody from schools to private businesses who dare allow their people to exercise their freedom of religion and speech. It’s just that it galls you to think that anybody who has anything to say that is of a Christian nature gets away with it. Imagine that. A free country that is run by atheists. Not gonna happen. The FFRF is a group of bullies and thugs who are trying to convert the USA into an atheist nation and nothing less will satisfy your lust for control. Your hatred and disdain for Christians is more than appalling, it is unwanted and will be resisted more and more as time passes. You cannot win this futile effort. The truth will ultimately win out over your lies.

            Since you, as an atheist have no basis for morals, it is only in your wild imagination that declares that an endorsement of religion comes from allowing a person to exercise their freedom of religion and / or speech. The SCOTUS has gone rogue and so has the POTUS. Endorsing a religion is forcing atheism on school systems by forbidding Christianity from being expressed in public. The disruption of class was the forbidding of religious expression that is rampant against mainly Christianity because the religion of atheism is allowed openly and even shoved down the throats of every student on government schools in the US. Atheism is a religion. Even the IRS recognizes that. If you really want “religion free” zones, then you are pushing for atheist only zones.

            “For all I know…” Right. You always make it up as you go along. Typical atheist with only imaginary morals speaking. Add lies. Rebrand to spin it around rather than tell the truth. Your tactic is OLD and sickening.

            May I recommend that you forget your idiocy and accept Christ? Denounce the lies you live in and accept the only absolute truth in the universe. The truth that Christ is exactly who He says He is. Your lame ideology only makes you look ignorant.

          • George T

            pastoredsmith: Oooooooooh! You’re a conspiracy theorist. Thanks for telling us. Now I know not to bother with your insane rantings and fictitious claims.

            It’s amusing to see you use the Pewee Herman defense… “I know you are, but what am I?”

            I could give you a mountain of facts and evidence and you’d never accept it because you’re so sure of your “truth” and my immorality. Please, tell us more about how everyone is plotting against you and how the world is doomed.

          • pastoredsmith

            Oh, I see. That’s atheist talking point number 13. “When losing a battle to a Christian who has obviously won the argument, resort to name calling (the more vicious the better), make up lies against the Christian and be sure to mock him intensely. Oh, and be certain to demand that you are the intelligent one and the Christian is a conspiracy theorist. Guaranteed to rile them up and cause them to lose their temper and, viola, you win in spite of it all.”
            Doesn’t work, atheist. God clearly calls YOU the fool (Psalms 14:1). You clearly have no argument, so you resort to name calling and ridicule and false claims of superiority. Of which you have none and you know it.
            You prove my point that atheists have no basis for morals. Obviously, you hate God and Christians.
            Now, you go ahead and ridicule even more. It will only serve to prove my words as truth. Have a nice evening….better yet, give up your farce and accept the truth of Christ and ask Him to forgive your anger and hatred. He will accept you into His grace and cleanse your angry and confused heart.

          • George T

            pastoredsmith: No, I just realized that you refuse to listen to any information that doesn’t agree with your preconceived notions. I have been reading and considering what everyone says. You are not extending the same courtesy.

            “If someone doesn’t value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?” – Sam Harris

          • pastoredsmith

            Not true, as usual, atheist. I listen to any and all information and reject that which is not true and accept the truth. What you have been doing is reading behind human reasoning and deciding for yourself what is real and what is not. Human reasoning is flawed, since your opinion is not necessarily shared by other atheists. Comparing human error to human error only compounds the erroneous deductions. This is “human logic.” No amount of “logic’ or “freethinking” can replace or displace the truth about anything.
            And, the things you call “evidence” are altered facts that were, when discovered or at some point thereafter for the purpose of proving an agenda or theory as true. Your “logic” is flawed and as undependable as fairy tales used as truth.
            So, your constant usage of the atheist talking points has once again failed. You cannot talk enough to change truth into a lie, although your success has been in convincing people that you have done just that. Reminds me of a serpent in a garden I heard of once.

          • George T

            pastoredsmith: “What you have been doing is reading behind human
            reasoning and deciding for yourself what is real and what is not”

            Funny! I was going to say the same to you (^_^)

            Listen, you’re apparently insanely obsessed with demonizing (literally) atheists and the FFRF for crimes of your own imagining. Get back to me after you’ve taken a few deep breaths. Then we can discuss what the FFRF is actually doing. I’m not interested in feeding your Christian persecution complex anymore.

          • pastoredsmith

            No, atheist it is you who have it all backwards.
            You deny the existence of God who clearly Created you and everything else in the Universe. You deny the rights of Christians to express their Christian views in all circles of American life.
            The FFRF is a bullying organization that is hellbent on eliminating Christianity and its influence in America. That is obvious by the majority of your efforts and by your very presence on this Christian website. If you don’t hate Christianity, why do you attack Christians? Why can’t you be an American and be thankful for our freedoms rather than trying to subvert some?
            The fact is that atheists are aggressive in your efforts to silence Christians.
            And, you, with your lack of legitimate morality who pass judgment on us. I don’t hate you. I don’t hate anybody. I don’t try to silence atheists. I don’t sue your ilk, although I vehemently disagree with your twisted worldview.
            You deliberately mix up what you call hatred with what is actually self defense. Defending our freedoms against the efforts of atheists who sue to defrock the First Amendment is the exact same thing the Christians who founded this country did.

          • George T

            pastoredsmith: I don’t deny anybody their rights. The reasons Christian causes are taken to court so often is their demanding special privileges or exceptions that other groups don’t get. For example, if a creche is put on display at a government building then the government is obligated to represent Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Satanists, atheists, and any other religious groups in the US. Your rights don’t include dominating other religions and minorities.

            Here, let me fix your last paragraph…

            “You deliberately mix up what you call hatred with what is actually self defense. Defending our freedoms against the efforts of CHRISTIANS who sue to defrock the First Amendment is the exact same thing the DEISTS who founded this country did.”

          • pastoredsmith

            You really either failed American history or you read the post 1930 revised American history books written by atheists. You also left out the other 245 Christian founding Fathers, many pastors, Deacons and all else dedicated Christians only to exaggerate one atheist and four deists. Give me a break.
            Even the Deists who you mention started CHRISTIAN Churches in the Capitol Building (President Jefferson). The US Congress approved, paid for and distributed BIBLES.
            My last paragraph was accurate. It is YOURS that is fabricated as usual. But, what more could anyone expect from an atheist who has no morals or reason not to “fix” history by changing it to suit your own agenda. Thank you for proving my point.
            And, yes, you deny anyone who is Christian their rights. This is America. you don’t want equal rights for all religions, you want Christianity removed from the public arena.
            Tell the truth, if it is within your ability to do.

          • George T

            pastoredsmith: Is this really David Barton? …or are you one of those suckers that believe his lies?

            It’s still clear to me that you believe what you want to believe. You’re a victim of your own confirmation bias. Because you think I’m evil you’ll claim everything I say is a lie or incorrect. This isn’t productive discourse because you’re only looking for reasons to say that I’m wrong and argue. Keep being angry and judgmental, just like Christ didn’t preach.

          • pastoredsmith

            Once again, you have chosen your point of view at the exclusion of the facts that prove God is real. As to your David Barton claims, I prefer actual American history books written prior to 1930. You really should read them some time. Most were written from the true perspective that Christianity had the largest influence on the founding of America.
            OK, you brought David Barton into the debate. Let’s see your proof that he is a liar as you called him?
            I’m not angry and judgmental. It was God Himself who calls atheists fools (Psalms 14:1). It’s not me who is angry. It’s you.
            You really should let go of your lies and embrace the truth. God loves you in spite of the fact that you hate Him. And, I pray that your eyes are opened to the truth.

          • George T

            pastoredsmith: For this to be a debate you’d need to be open to information and opinions that you don’t agree with. Time and again you’ve proven that you’re not willing to hear me out. So incorrectly call a rose by another name if you want, but this isn’t a debate.

            Don’t look to me if you want to know more about Barton. Just look for “liars for jesus dot com” if you care to fact check him.

            About your prayers for me, please don’t waste your time. Can I commit an unforgivable act (sin) so you’ll stop bothering me about converting to your mythology?

          • pastoredsmith

            If you’re suggesting that you have a sliver of a chance of being right about God not being exactly who He says He is, you are right. This isn’t a debatable point. Since you start from a false premise to build your worldview on, it flaws everything in it from top to bottom. Hear you out? I’ve listened to all the garbage you’ve thrown at me. Same ole same ole. Nothing new under the sun from you.
            If you stoop to the level to call Barton a liar, you will be calling me a liar, too. I agree with him on most every point he makes. I’ve personally verified many of the claims he made. He has been maligned, demonized and called every name in the book. That is the case with any person in this country that is falling more and more prey to the lies of atheism. It is your problem if you cannot accept the facts of history rather than swallowing the history revisionists of our day. The history books written during the time and for well over a hundred years thereafter tell a different story about the founding of the US than the modern ones do since the depression and the rewriting of a main history book by an atheist that was unfortunately adopted into government schools. You know this if you have been a student of history at all.
            You haven’t listed one single lie that Barton allegedly told. Not one. You just call names and try to rebrand good people as evil. You are occupied and influenced by evil. The evil of atheism. You have walked away from the truth and refuse to acknowledge the truth of God’s Creation, even though you witness it every minute of your life. You know that all this that we call the Universe didn’t “just happen” or “come from nothing on its own.” Spontaneous creation is a farce, just like the worldview of atheism.
            And, there is nothing you can do about my prayers. I am praying for you. I pray the light of the Gospel of Truth in Jesus Christ shines so brightly in your face that you can’t see anything else until you bow to the truth rather than lead countless souls to hell along with yourself. I pray that you see truth rather than stomp it in the ground. I pray that the facts of Creation sink into your heart and mind when you see a newborn baby or a new tree that springs its head from the ground to become a towering beauty of Creation someday that we all can see and enjoy. I pray the lies of atheism fall flat in the light of the only source of absolute truth in the universe IN YOUR EYES.
            You see, you can believe anything you wish. It is not only an American freedom, but God gives you the same privilege. He (nor His people) ever force anyone to accept Christ. It is up to you.
            By the way. You have no idea what “the unpardonable sin” is all about. You’ve not committed it. You are breathing, have a clear mind and still have a choice to serve Him or not. No, it’s not too late. As long as you breathe and have a mind that can comprehend your actions, you can accept Christ. I pray you do that soon. It will change your life….for the better.

          • George T

            pastoredsmith: So what is your base premise that you start with? Mine is evidence, then I form a conclusion. If you start with the bible and then look for evidence that supports your book, you’re approach is bias. I believe this is specifically called confirmation bias or the sharpshooters fallacy.

            I feel bad that you’re wasting time praying for me, so I’m trying to save you time and energy. Please don’t bother.
            I’d provide more information about Barton, but you wouldn’t consider the information fairly so what’s the point? Why waste my time when you’re already assuming anything I tell you is incorrect or a lie?

          • pastoredsmith

            Well, George T., you have no authority over me, so I will pray for you as I have done since your first snide comment-filled tirade against me.
            it is regrettable that you must hate me and other Christians so much that you can’t carry on a conversation without slander and name calling.
            As to presenting evidence and you not considering it, you are the expert at that. I spent meany years searching for answers, studied the evidence and came to my own conclusions. And, you cannot disprove the Bible if you will use discoveries and not innuendo and man-made theories to do it. The truth will set you free. You are bound by a pack of lies. Yes, I am praying for you.

          • George T

            pastoredsmith: I’m not claiming authority over you. …and nothing about my first comment was snide. It was a correction of information. If you want to read a snide intent, that’s your choice.

            I don’t hate Christians. Again, if you want to build a “Christians vs atheists” narrative in your mind, that’s also your choice. I’m just trying to provide accurate information. Unfortunately you’re only willing to accept information from select sources, valid or not.

            Again, you use the Peewee Herman defense.

          • pastoredsmith

            I’m done with you. You spend your time here on this site ridiculing and making fun of anyone who dares to be Christian and believe the Bible. You really should get a life and leave Christians alone.
            Goodbye. Yes, I will still pray for you.

          • George T

            pastoredsmith: Cool. I wouldn’t bother with any of this if a percentage of Christians weren’t trying to force their beliefs on others using the US government. The only reason I became an ardent atheist was the blurring of church/state issues.

            Have a nice day! I do hope you stop believing in conspiracy theories and shake off that persecution complex.

            P.S. There’s no reason to disprove the bible since it’s not proved to be factual information. It actually has a good number of internal contradictions and historical information going against it without my help or efforts. I’ve got better things to do with my time.

          • pastoredsmith

            Not true. Your name calling smacks of your attempt to silence all Christians from even mentioning our faith in God. You ridicule and mock anybody who believes in God because we dare to do so, and then turn around and declare that is not what you are doing. The prohibition of Christianity at government schools with the enforcement of “atheist zones” (often called “religion-free zones” same exact thing) is NOT the government’s privy. The government’s ability to RESTRICT the free exercise of religion is my problem.
            As to your accusation that Christians “force” our “religion” on others is wrong. Yes, some people do that in the name of Christ, but some also do the same with their belief system in the name of atheism. So, categorizing all Christians as “Westboro” haters or lumping us all in with some radical, hate-mongering groups or individuals is NOT in the government’s privy, and they are doing just that at the behest and forceful demanding of atheists in the form of responding to FFRF lawsuits and the like.

            I do NOT believe in conspiracy theories as you suggest. As to persecution, it is very true that Christians are not persecuted in the USA at on a large scaled basis, and the most of modern-day persecution is in the form of forced or coerced repression of free religious speech. However, that is changing. And, when it does change, atheists and agnostics will likewise suffer because it will be the COUNTRY changing the rules about free practice of religion. If it becomes illegal to deny a gay wedding for a church (and a SCOTUS ruling that redefines marriage will have that effect according to a WH report itself!), then what? It will likewise be illegal to practice one’s religion because the government changed the definition of “right and wrong.” The government changes it….and controls it. If you can’t understand that principle, you are lost and it will bite you before you realize that I tell the truth.

            As to your claims about the Bible, they are all false. The Bible is reliable, true and accurate. You know nothing about “internal contradictions” because there are absolutely none. But, you need to understand culture, laws during the time it was written, and take things in context. Pulling one single passage and declaring it a contradiction won’t work because it does fit….if you know where the puzzle piece goes. It’s all that simple. And, if you think it is a waste of time to discover this as true or false for yourself with an open mind, then you don’t have an open mind at all. Else you were hurt by some stinker who thought they knew the answers and they had none. God’s answers are always right and always for our benefit.

            OK, I’m done. Say what you will and do as you like. Have a nice day, and I am praying for you.

          • George T

            pastoredsmith: Saying that you’re a conspiracy theorist is not name calling. You described a theory where atheists are conspiring to take action related to the US government. Hence, a conspiracy theory.

            If you think I’m mocking you because you believe in a god, your wrong. I’m pointing out factual errors that you make. For example, making assumptions about my intent and the purpose of the FFRF. You can ad hominem all day long, but that doesn’t change the fact that your assumptions are erroneous.

            I never brought up Westboro. I was actually thinking of Christian Dominionists like Michelle Bachman and Sarah Pailin. They, and others, have incorrectly stated that The US is a Christian nation when it’s actually a religious plurality with a secular government. Several politicians (with the backing of various Christian action groups) have stated a goal of installing Christianity in US government, above other religions.

            “you need to understand culture, laws during the time it was written, and take things in context.”

            Do I? Why should I do this for your holy book and not others? Why should I give these writings some kind of special effort over other writings? What makes your religion more deserving than Islam, Buddhism, Wicca, Mormonism, Polynesian Animism, Aztec, Scientology, Zoroastrianism, or Hindu beliefs?

          • pastoredsmith

            I’m done with this “discussion.” We have no common ground other than living in the US.
            Have a nice day.

          • George T

            pastoredsmith: You too!!! (^_^)

      • Frank

        The US constitution is clear that he is within his rights and the US Supreme Court has consistently ruled that he is within his rights on past similiar cases. The school district policy is %10000 illegal.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

        AND THEN HE SHOULD BE EXPELLED FROM LIFE GRRRR ARRRGGHHHHH!!! I EAT CHRISTIANS FOR BREAKFAST BECAUSE I HATE MY LIFE!!! OMG I MEAN OH MY NOTHING WHY CANT U CHRISTIANS LEAVE ME ALONE EVENTHOUGH IM TROLLING UR WEBSITE!! SOMEONE PULL THIS STICK OUT OF MY BUTT!!!
        …look I did an impression of you : ) MERRY CHRISTMAS!

        • Chrissy Vee

          I am trying to stifle my laugh here Regina… 😀 heeheehee

        • AntiTeaTheist

          I hope someone stones you. That is what the bible clearly states should happen to women like you who have an opinion in public. If you’d actually bother to read it.

          • The Last Trump

            Ahh, feel the love wash over us from the unbelieving!

          • AntiTeaTheist

            It’s in your book. Try reading it sometime instead of masturbating into it.

          • The Last Trump

            Classy. You might wanna read through it yourself. Pay close attention to the parts about morality this time. Might learn something.

          • Bill Freidline

            Morality? In the BIBLE?

            Genocide, prescribed rape, murder…..done in God’s name.

            Is it too modern to note that the 10 Commandments offer no protection to women and children? Maybe if one of them was “Thou shalt not rape women nor molest children” the thousands of “moral” priests and bishops who destroyed the lives of children could have been better censured….

            And leave us not forget that wonderful part about how if a man rapes a woman, he has to pay a fine and marry the woman. Forcing a woman to marry her rapist! How very moral indeed.

            In fact, the Bible is FULL of death penalties. In fact, it call for the destruction of entire towns if but one non-believer is found there.

            There are but few moral utterances. Jesus was very clear when he said to love your neighbor as yourself and to treat others as you wish to be treated. Oddly, these two are what His followers seem least able to do.

          • jmichael39

            Oh do tell, Mr. Bible Expert…where does the Bible say that?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            Actually, that is NOT what the Bible states. Instead in 1 Timothy 2:12 and 1 Corinthians 14:34 Paul wrote letters to two of his friends stating that in his churches women were not allowed to speak- mainly because in those particular churches those particular women were stirring up trouble and gossiping. Kind of like you on here.
            The Bible does however speak of fools like you- it says in 2 Peter 3:3-5
            “3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water…”
            So please, continue to tell me outright lies about the Bible which you’ve never read. It only further proves God’s word to be true.

          • Bill Freidline

            Funny how God decided to treat women as property of men. It’s in that book. So is the idea that fetuses aren’t alive. That hitting a woman hard enough to kill her is a capital offense, but if all that happens is she loses her unborn child, then it’s not a big deal. It’s in the book.

            “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”

            In the book.

            If the book is God’s Word, then you must, on pain of hell, shut down all social media of all kinds and do what your God said to do through his various mouthpieces.

            But you won’t because you are just another Biblical cherrypicker.

            Or as George Bernard Shaw so aptly put it:

            “No one believes the Bible means what it says, they all think it says what they mean.”

          • Regina Forbes

            With regards to what you are referring to, please post the exact scriptural verse (in quotations) from the KJV along with Book, Chapter, and Verse citations as I have done so in my post above. That way we’re all on the same page (pun intended) with regards to this discussion. Thank you.

          • KenS

            If you actually bothered to read it from cover to cover, you would realize that in the New testament, it states that we are released from the law through the blood of Jesus, therefore, she can speak in public freely without fear of being stoned. May God Bless you!

          • George T

            KenS: So there should be no issue with gay men and women marrying if Jesus fulfilled the laws of Leviticus. Correct?

      • Tim Raynor

        Actually, he’s not violating the Constitution. Kids can practice their religion in a public school, so long as it does not become a distraction according to a school’s policy. And that’s the issue of this case; not that he was sharing his religion, it’s that his actions were a distraction. If a pro-choice student were passing-out literature over birth control and abortion – which they also have a first amendment right to talk about in school – but they did it at a time where it would be a distraction and violated school policy, they would get the same treatment.

        • jmichael39

          there is nothing in any court case that says that you have your rights so long as they are not a distraction…we’ll see where this goes.

      • Katee Ripid

        Miss Elle, Islam is included in your schools ‘ curriculum and taught in class all in the name of history..don’t you know that is just another technique of evangelising Islam? I’m from a country where they are blackmailing people into converting into Islam..
        Maybe you are an atheist and the next time, you want to convert to Islam, or other things (in the name of Islam) happens, remember my response to your accusations….
        God bless you..

        • Miss Elle

          Keep your “bless me” bullshit….i want not part of your delusion. I don’t believe in Islam any more and any other religious cult, especially yours. Have fun in fantasyland…..maybe you can tell me what schizophrenia feels like some time

          • silaxo1

            A bit touchy are we when you don’t know what you are talking about and get called on it. I have been waiting patiently for the laws that are being violated here. The school called the Police because of this kids. Interesting. What would the Police do. I know what I would have had I been the Officer. I would have told the school, this is a school problem, not a Police problem. No laws are being broken here. So, maybe miss Elle, you enlighten me and everybody else here as to which law or laws you believe are being violated.

          • Miss Elle

            He has violated the Constitution, the State Constitution, School District policy and School Policy. He is absolutely wrong all the way around. He should be expelled and banned from ever setting foot on the school district controlled property ever again. You don’t get to repeatedly break the law and not face punishment. Cascade High School is about 2 miles from me. I took a carpentry class there when i was a kid in the early 80’s and what this kid is doing is absolutely wrong and should never be tolerated

          • James Grimes

            “You are absolutely wrong all the way around. You should be expelled and banned from ever setting foot on this Christian site.”
            How’s that for a paraphrase of what you had said? Your presence here is disgusting.

          • Miss Elle

            For all you mentally unstable bible thumping idiots. Please seek psychiatric help

          • The Last Trump

            Hey! The poster child of evolution.

          • James Grimes

            “For all you mentally unstable bible thumping idiots.” I guess this insult is to be expected from an Atheist troll.

          • AntiTeaTheist

            Yeah, definitely an atheist troll. He was far too polite. Only called you idiots, instead of the child raping pieces of scum that you actually are.

          • James Grimes

            LOL. Pretty pathetic actually.

          • jmichael39

            Child raping pieces of scum? I think you’re referring to those gay leaders from, what, Oregon. But don’t let that stop you from spewing bigotry, hatred and stupidity. Unless, of course, you’d actually like to engage in a REAL debate, you might as well just go away. You’ve been exposed for your hypocrisy and hatred.

          • Miss Elle

            The truths stings doesn’t it?? Of course, you could always leave the delusion behind and start thinking for yourself

          • jmichael39

            Still pretending to be the rational person, Elle? You’ve already been challenged…still too scared to take up the challenge? Typical pseudo-intellectually. Throwing out insults and rhetoric but thoroughly incapable of actually debating.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            No more than yours.

          • http://www.180movie.com John Wesley

            I have read the Constitution several times over, have studied it, and used to keep a pocket constitution/declaration of independence in my back pocket next to my pocket Bible before I lost it. I have studied it avidly as well as other founding documents and the works written by those who authored and signed these documents. I own my own personal copies of many of these works. Unlike you actually read the first amendment through without having my head shoved up my keaster.
            This Christian student has the right to free speech as well as freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof is protected by the constitution. That boy didn’t violate the law, his teachers did.
            But you are an evil manipulative hypocrite and you do not care about the law or what is right and wrong. You just want to shut him up because you do not like what he is saying and you don’t care if his rights or the law has to be violated to do this.
            I don’t agree with many people on many things but unlike you I would never resort to these unconstitutional and illegal tactics to silence anyone. Then again unlike you I am sain and rational. I am able to disagree with someone and have a civilized conversation with them without trying to have them kicked out of school or arrested because they disagree with me.

          • Miss Elle

            WRONG!!! He DID violate the Constitution, the State Constitution, School District policy and the schools policy. He had been warned repeatedly and he continued to violate the rules. He should IMMEDIATELY expelled and barred from district property.

          • KenS

            Please instead of repeating the same line over and over, can you elaborate on why you think he has violated the constitution, because you just saying that he has violated without justifing how he violated does not make it so. The only thing he may have violated is the districts regulations which are, I REPEAT, ARE in direct violation of the constitution. He has the constitutional right to witness, read his bible, distribute literature, etc as long as he is not doing it during class instruction, in other words disturbing the teacher’s class instruction time. So, again please explain how he is violating the constitution without simply stating he is. Please give us an example or a clause in the constitution that you believe he is violating.

          • jmichael39

            Sorry, Miss Elle…no he didn’t violate any state constitution And besides, no state constitution can supersede the rights protected by the US Constitution…the 14th Amendment guaranteed that. But you keep trying. Maybe you can convince some of your fellow village idiots you know something about the Constitution.

          • jmichael39

            Then what are you doing here, Elle? You don’t want any part of Christianity…why are you on a Christian based site? Oh, don’t tell me…to help us poor Christians learn how to think properly? Or, maybe just to get your jollies behaving like an ass, perhaps?

          • Guest

            Should be thrown in a straight jacket. Like all the other child molester supporting pieces of shit on this page.

          • jmichael39

            you wish to clarify? Or do you prefer to just make wild accusations without substantive support?

          • Miss Elle

            I’d love to see you join reality…grown adults with imaginary friends are just so completely creepy

          • jmichael39

            That would be a fine argument if the premise that God is imaginary were true. You want to prove your premise? I didn’t think so.

          • SashaC

            You amuse me, always trying so hard to sound intelligent and intellectual, yet belying that by doing illogical things like asking someone to prove the non-existence of something.

            If you make the claim that something exists, the onus is on you to prove your claim. No one can prove that something does not exist.

          • jmichael39

            You didn’t make a negative premise. You claimed that God IS imaginary. You’re the one who has to prove that premise. But I do find it ironic that a person who’s entire worldview is based upon a negative existential truth claim that can NEVER be proved would then hide behind the can’t prove a negative argument.

          • SashaC

            I didn’t claim anything. Try again. You can argue semantics all you want, but if you’re even remotely as intelligent as you try to make yourself out to be, you know exactly what I’m talking about. You state that god is not imaginary, thus he exists. Care to prove your premise? I didn’t think so.

          • jmichael39

            It was Elle who claimed God is imaginary…you just jumped in on the debate.

            What proof do you want? Speak.
            Oh, and spare me the rhetoric…stick to the debate or move on.

          • SashaC

            I made it clear what proof I want. Try to keep up. I want proof that your god exists. Real proof, not quoting of scripture, or saying that the existence of the world around us is proof enough, or any of the other nonsense religious people spew.

            Rhetoric? Pot, meet kettle, lol. That’s cute though, you trying to tell me what to do.

            There is no debate. You can’t prove the existence of your god. If you could, we wouldn’t be here, having this discussion.

          • jmichael39

            Grow up, Sasha…you want to engage in a debate or do you want to throw around insults?

            You claim to be “clear” what proof you want, but there’s nothing specific in your request. What is “real” proof? Like a true atheist, you’re good at making negative statements, like what you’re NOT looking in this “proof” but I need something specific. What is “real” proof?

          • SashaC

            Again, you’re being a hypocrite. Not surprising, though.

            You’re here quite a bit. You have discussions with atheists on a regular basis. You know I’m referring to irrefutable evidence of the existence of god.

            You’re being obtuse because you know you can provide no evidence. I’d love to engage in a debate, but you clearly have nothing to say, so you deflect by asking questions with obvious answers.

            I’m not wasting any more of my time here, waiting for a substantive response from you. Thanks for verifying my original opinion on you.

          • jmichael39

            Irrefutable by what standards, Sasha? You don’t have, by any standards, irrefutable evidence of the big bang or virtually any element of macroevolution. Heck, you don’t have any irrefutable evidence that there is no God. But you have no trouble believing any of those things. Do you? So why is it that you need irrefutable evidence for the existence of God?
            Come on, Sasha…If you think you’re so much smarter than I am, this should be easy. Put your hatred on hold for five minutes and answer the questions. Show us how much you love engaging in a debate. You’re the one deflecting the questions. All I’ve asked for is clarification. If that’s too difficult for your brilliant mind to grasp, just let me know.

          • Chrissy Vee

            The fact all these people fight against God and get into debates about Him is proof enough for me. Why would anyone waste time on something they don’t even believe exists? They either really hope He does or really hope he doesn’t. Either way, deep down, they know. And there are so many… it’s sad really.

          • jmichael39

            Their problem, Chrissy, is that their entire worldview is based off a self-refuting negative existential truth claim. They can never know that there is no God. Yet they base their entire worldview on that negative statement. I would respect them a lot more if they at least admitted they don’t know whether there is a God, but choose to live as though there is none. But they’re so self-deluded that they just can’t even bring themselves to that place.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Wow. Yes, perfect assessment. It’s too bad they have so many supporters keeping them in that state of spirit and mind.
            One day, every eye shall see, every tongue will confess… ♥

          • James Grimes

            You are on a Christian site. No one owes you proof or an explanation. If you’re here to be disagreeable, it is not appreciated.

          • http://www.180movie.com John Wesley

            I can prove the existence of God using historical, scientific, and philosophical evidence however it would take an extraordinary amount of time, patience, humility, and reason on your part to accept this evidence. I doubt you would want to take the time to go though it all and most people are not humble enough to admit they might have been wrong. If I tried sharing it with you in all likelihood you would try cutting me off before I got a chance to state my case.

          • Bill Freidline

            Your attempt would be futile and prove nothing. I can say that because scientists and philosophers throughout history have done similar, always invoking the existence of a God when they ran into things they could not explain. In fact, the proof of the existence of a being no human can see, smell, touch or taste relies on a vast number of assumptions. Your need to have someone else believe your assumptions as fact is the prime weakness of your proof. Real proof stands alone, and is real and truthful regardless of the position of the observer.

            For instance, whether I choose to believe in evolution is immaterial to the process as it continues right under our noses, observable and provable without the need to make vast assumptions. I might as well deny the existence of gravity.

          • Bill Freidline

            The believers seem to have given up on faith and now resort to confected “proofs”.

            But make no mistake……it was religion that first insisted on primacy. Those touting Bible based theocracy took no thought in burning and torturing anyone who dared to question their claims. “Proof? Isn’t it obvious? Sorry you don’t see it the way we do….we will now kill you to show how just our God surely is….”

            I simply say that which can be claimed with no proof may be safely dismissed without proof.

          • jmichael39

            That’s the most absurd line of reasoning I’ve ever heard.

          • http://www.180movie.com John Wesley

            Not as creepy as hypocritical and insane people such as you who tell us to leave you alone when it was your scitzo butt who came here in the first place and won’t leave us alone. You are a grown adult in physical maturity only. Now go away, shoe.

          • Sandy Buchanan

            You are very mean and hateful spirited. You don’t have to believe in any religion. If you choose to be an atheist, be it. No one bothers you about that….it is your choice. If you don’t have anything worthwhile to say, don’t say anything. How do you want to be respected if you talk like this. I will say a prayer for you also. I pray that one day, before it’s too late, you have a changed and softened heart. I pray that you have family and friends who love you. And more importantly, I pray that you receive Jesus Christ as your LORD and Savior. Only He can change hearts and minds. Only He could give you His Mercy and Grace.

          • Miss Elle

            Keep your “bless you” bullshit to yourself. Go back to your delusion and finish wasting your life in mindless devotion to a fairytale

          • http://www.180movie.com John Wesley

            “Keep your &*^%&* to yourself” – Miss Elle

            You are the one who came here to complain. What did you expect? You seem like the one who is mentally deranged. To quote hamlet “The lady doth protest too much, methinks”.
            You came here to claim that this boy who’s Constitutional rights were violated was the one who broke the law (by exercising his constitutional rights) then call us all scitzos and talk about tinfoil hats and then tell us to keep it to yourself and mind our own business.
            You are the one who came here you complete HYPOCRITE!!! Furthermore you are using the specific amendment of The Constitution that protects that student’s free speech and his right to free exercise of religion to try and claim he violated the law. That is even more hypocritical.

          • Miss Elle

            Says the bozo living in a delusion with imaginary friends and a book of fairytales as a guide……you’re a loon!!!

          • http://www.180movie.com John Wesley

            You want free speech for yourself but you want to take away the free speech of others. That is hypocritical.

          • Miss Elle

            Bullshit….i want the law to be followed. Freedom of religion does not mean freedom to break the law or the freedom to trample on others rights….follow the fucking law and quit being hypocritical pricks

          • pastoredsmith

            I will pray for you, Miss Elle. I mean that seriously. You will need it when you realize that it is you who are in “fantasyland.”

      • jennylynn

        He pays his tuition and his taxes and has the right. They allow all sorts of evil on campus. You want to shut someone down. Shut the pedaphiles down, shut planned parenthood down, who exploits our youth. Shut the Islamics down who want to kill us. Christians who bring the gospel are the ones who care where you will spend eternity and bring the life saving gospel.

        • Miss Elle

          Your conditioning is coming along very nicely, your indoctrination is complete and you just need a few more behavioural modification sessions. Just a few more soundbites and you’ll be ready for idiot duty on Fux “news”…..it really is shocking how completely stupid you are. Can you generate an original thought or are just just simpleton trained to parrot???

          • silaxo1

            You are quite a debater miss Elle. Sure glad you don’t have a gun. No the true you comes out in this comment. You are a typical name calling lib. You accuse others of talking points, but those you just used in your last comment are the same ones used by every other lib that graces the comment sections. Blame it all on FOX, which I assume you meant to spell FAUX like all the other libs, but maybe a typing error, or maybe you simply don’t even know the complete lib debating profile yet. God bless you sweet Elle.

          • jmichael39

            and yet another useless post from a pseudo-intellectual….another fraud.

          • The Last Trump

            Just listen to Miss Elle now, Jenny, and you’re “conditioning” will be complete! “There is no God! And NOTHING created EVERYTHING! EVERTHING created ITSELF! Yes, Jenny, deny the very evidence you see before your very eyes that there is a Creator….good sheep. Now abort your baby and have sex with women. Change your name to “Jack” and identify as a man if you so wish….good. Everything is better now….” 🙂

        • BeWhoYouAre

          He pays his tuition to be educated, not to be an annoying proselytizing pest.

          • jennylynn

            He is only a pest to the proud at heart who have not come to the acknowledgement of their human depravity. The fact that people need a Savior because they have broken God’s commandments. To others he will be a breath of fresh air. Americans have become too stuck up for the gospel which is able to save. On judgement day you will be without excuse. Tolerance is not everyone except Christianity.
            Don’t bother responding!

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Sorry, you don’t make the rules here, I’m responding.

            He is a pest because anyone who proselytizes is being an pest. If I’m going to school and trying to enjoy some quiet time on my own and some fundamentalist tries to sell me their version of Christianity, I will complain to the school authorities too.

      • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

        Agreed, but it is not him. It is the PJI behind him. He may be a teen, but he’s still a malleable little kid.

      • jmichael39

        First of all he is neither church OR state. He is an individual with liberties protected by the Constitution…even and especially on government property.

      • John

        Wait, till a Muslim, Homosexual or Atheist is trying to share their believes.
        Then it is allowed under the motto of freedom of speech and religion.
        But…..here is a Christian who’s faith does not fall under “protected religion and views”, he must be silenced.

      • http://www.180movie.com John Wesley

        You are being hypocritical. He was exercising his rights and the school faculty violated his rights and the constitution which is the law. May the Lord poor forth his wrath upon you unless you repent.

      • http://www.180movie.com John Wesley

        Students have the right to freedom of speech and of religion and teachers who infringe upon those rights are criminals. I witnessed and brought my Bible to school when I was younger and luckily my threat of a lawsuit as well as bringing in tons of case law and threatening to go to the ACLJ and the Thomas Moore Law Center was enough to get them to back down. If it wasn’t I would have sued myself. I hope he wins the lawsuit and that the teachers involved are disciplined as well they should be.

      • Peter Leh

        he is not violating the constitution he is breaking school policy.

      • Frank M

        troll much?

    • OldArkie

      Yes, he seems to be following Jesus, so many of us refuse to.

  • Bolvon72

    So he found the policy too restrictive and broke it. What’s there to sue about? There are better things this kid can be doing in school, like getting an education.

  • Kaputa TV

    As a Christian you are supposed to submit to authority, not disobey it in the name of God. School is not the place to be preaching. You can do it on the quiet, one-to-one, but this kid is doing it publicly. Also, Jesus didn’t go around forcing His way and suing people. If people didn’t welcome Him, He just moved on to the next venue.

    • Shawn Atchison

      When the authority goes against commands given by God to make disciples of men, then God’s word overrules the authority.

      When man’s law contradicts God’s law, they have given up their authority to lead. Law is supposed to be a tool used for righteousness and good. The law is to make evil men fear and protect the good. When it is used instead to make good people, God-fearing people disobey God, that law is irrelevant and void.

      • railhead

        There is no commandment to make disciples in the actual Bible. New Bibles taken from Catholic manuscripts say that but the original Bible says:
        Mat 28:19 “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”

        You can’t “make” a disciple, a disciple is someone who is saved deciding on their own to follow Christ.

        The Romans 13 commandment is to be subject unto the higher powers. The higher power truly is God, but the problem is he never commanded anyone to hand out literature or stand on the street and preach. If this boy were sharing the gospel with someone privately and the school intervened, then there is a violation Romans 13, and the boy shouldn’t obey.

        But another problem is that technically children are not protected by the Constitution, they are under their parents, and at school they are under “en loco parentis” which places the school in place of the parents, and basically the school has the right to tell them what to do and when to do it, just like parents do. This is also a command of the Bible.

        So the whole school issue is really muddy water legally, Biblically his parents shouldn’t be using the world’s system against the world, and the boy should obey the school and preach the gospel individually, following the Biblical example.

        • Neiman

          You are wholly ignorant of the Bible.

        • Shawn Atchison

          Mark 16:15 ” 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”

          Matthew 28, the great commission:

          19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
          20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

          You are right, that in the Word of God, the Authorized King James Version, it doesn’t say make disciples, but that is in essence what Jesus is commanding us to do. Teach them to obey God’s commands. This is not an option for a Christian and there is no limitation placed on how or where to do it nor could there be.

          All the world means in schools as well.

          Peter was arrested for preaching Jesus in the temple. This is one place where that message was most unwelcome and they were told by the authorities not to preach in Jesus’ name. They did it anyway, disobeying the authority placed over them. Their response?

          Acts 5:29

          29
          Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

          This still applies today. It is better to obey God rather than men. Any consequences over such actions are crowns of glory given to us by God for obeying Him.

        • Shawn Atchison

          The disciples got into trouble for preaching Jesus and for healing people. They were brought before the leaders of the temple who had authority over the people. What they said was law. They arrested Peter and brought him before them to have him answer for his disobedience to their decree. This is the story…pay attention to their response in verses 19-20 because it tells the obligation of all Christians everywhere.

          Acts 4:13-20
          13Now
          when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they
          were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge
          of them, that they had been with Jesus.
          14And beholding the man which was healed standing with them, they could say nothing against it.
          15But when they had commanded them to go aside out of the council, they conferred among themselves,
          16Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem; and we cannot deny it.
          17But
          that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten
          them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name.
          18And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.
          19But
          Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the
          sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.
          20For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.

          We don’t have a choice but to preach and teach in the name of Christ. We are commanded to do so. No law of man can or will ever prevent that from happening.

        • Shawn Atchison

          Governments are put in place to keep the peace. To uphold righteousness. When the government fails to do that, they forfeit their right to rule.

    • pastoredsmith

      As a Christian, we are to submit to authority unless it violates God’s law; the Great Commission, for example. The school policy also violates the First Amendment! And, since when is school a prohibited place to preach the Gospel? I did it when I was in school after giving my life to Christ. There is nothing wrong with publicly expressing one’s Christian viewpoint. This is not forcing anything, rather it is simply expressing his viewpoint. This is allowed in America. At least, it used to be.

    • Guest

      Actually Jesus took a whip to some people.

    • KenS

      1. Peter and the apostles clearly state in the book of Acts, whether it be right let God be the judge, but rather to obey man or God, we will obey God.

      2. It was the school officials that didnt want him to do this, not the students of whom he was doing the witnessing to, therefore he was right to keep doing it and not moving on as you suggested.

  • Billygoat72

    It’s the law that he can’t do it and the Constitution was very specific about separating the 2. If that actually goes anywhere and he wins his case, then ALL religions have the right to do the same, including the Church of Satan that has been needling overly religious people like this. Keep that in mind that our laws are there to make free speech equal.

    • James Grimes

      No.

      • Billygoat72

        Nice retort. See above and then put that in your pipe and smoke it.

    • Bradley Dugas

      Please google separation of church and state, and find out that the constitution actually does not say such a thing. It was a quote from like Thomas Jefferson, but was not actually drafted.

    • Albert Bricker Jr

      Constitution! Please explain?

      • Billygoat72

        It is in the First Amendment. For further debate:
        http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment
        http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1/annotation01.html#1

        As to how that is being affected in schools today as it is interpreted by the states:

        http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/satanic-temple-florida-religious-materials-schools

        This second one is really the application of the First Amendment in Public Schools. So to say that yes, this kid can preach the word of Christ, fine, but there must also be an inclusive, or open forum for other religions that can have the same open forum as well. To exclude the other religions while protecting the Christian belief would then be the State Establishing a religion, which is where the First Amendment comes in.

        Before anyone goes off about State’s Rights about this, the 14th Amendment says the State must follow the Federal Government in regard to the Constitution.

        At the end of the day, I do not need to convince you, you need to fight the Federal Government so that you will inadvertently push your religion out of public spaces so that Muslims, Jews, Satanists, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, etc can’t openly practice their religion. Have a great day.

        • KenS

          nowhere in this article were the other religions being excluded, Christianity was being excluded and therefore the 1st admendment was being violated by the school

    • pastoredsmith

      Dead wrong. You left out the half of the First Amendment allowing the freedom of religion! And, separation of church and state is being used to eliminate the first part…that is not the law! Yes, all religions have the same rights….as long as they are peaceful. Beheading is not peaceful. Preaching the Gospel is. Even if the person “preaching” preaches false teaching, it is legal in the US.

      • Billygoat72

        Hey Pastor. You are obviously just writing hateful garbage with no facts to support your arguments as I have replied to this already with multiple sources proving my point. Please step back for a minute and realize that I am very educated and knowledgeable about this discussion. You have said nothing of substance but radical rhetoric and half truths. If you truly are a pastor, I strongly believe it came from a Cracker Jack box. I would say online class but you have to read and reason to even meet the most minimum of standards there.

        What you appear to be arguing is for theocratic government much in the same way that the Muslim countries rule that you are claiming you hate. This is also against the Constitution of the United States which you propose you are acting on behalf of. So you are a serious bigot that is filled with hate hiding behind the peaceful words of Jesus pretending to speak on his behalf to recruit others in your hate mongering; which is against the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 9th Commandments. Or you are just one of the most uneducated, lied to, twisted creature that truly needs God’s help. I can keep this up all day.

        • pastoredsmith

          Billy, you are wrong about that…and about me. You think I’m ignorant and spouting rhetoric. That is not true. It is also not true that I am in favor of a theocratic government. I am in favor of freedom. That is what America was founded on. Not tyranny. Forcing a person into the four walls of a church and calling it “freedom of religion” is far from what the founding fathers decreed it and what it has been for these 200+ years this country has been in existence. The current “movement” to change America into something else is totally against all this country ever has been.
          I find your hateful, slanderous and insulting comments about me as false and an indication of someone desperate to prove a point in which they know they are wrong. This is why you came across as hateful, and the reason I mistook you for an atheist. You do sound like one of them with all the hate. You can hate me all you want. Call names. But, it doesn’t change the point of this debate. Freedom has been, and is worth dying to preserve. Being forced into a box by a rogue government is not my idea of the America I know.
          Perhaps you should see your priest. Confession is good for the soul. And, I can go on all day. I do not spout hate. I simply tell the truth. Yes, I’m tired of being called names. And, sometimes I come back with force, even anger. OK, I need to repent as well. But the point stands. America is a free country…at least, it used to be.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

          I can play this game too…
          I’M A BILLIONAIRE NUCLEAR PHYSICIST WITH A SOLID GOLD JET!
          Wheeee! I win! : )

          • Billygoat72

            That’s funny. I wish I could be as medicated as you.

  • Miss Elle

    When you violate the law AND school district policy you get exactly what you deserve….if it were me he would have been permanently expelled. You can either decide to respect the Constitution (ALL of it) or you can peddle your garbage somewhere else!!!

    • pastoredsmith

      There is no law forbidding the preaching of the Gospel….never has been. It is school policy that is bad, and this lawsuit should bring this to light. It is you, Miss Elle who should “respect the Constitution (ALL of it)….” You don’t have a legal leg to stand on, but your hatred for Christians shines through brightly. Love is better than hate. Let go of your hatred before it devours what’s left of your soul.

      • James Grimes

        Thank you, Pastor Ed, for setting things straight.

  • Edward Vincent

    If he is going to court to defend his rights ,Then he does not have to look any furher than the wall behind the Judge/Magistrates at the Royal Crest “stating in latin ” Dieu et Mon Droit ” Which means in English ” God and my Right ” Case Dismissed.

  • Edward Vincent

    If you were to go to Court at the back of the magistrates/judge, the Royal crest is on the wall , the bottom words in latin state, “Dieu et Mon Droit ” which in English stands for ” God and my Right “. If that can be used in a court of the land so it can be used in schools. CASE DISMISSED.

    • George T

      Edward Vincent: Just because the crest is also a violation doesn’t mean something is justified. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

  • Neiman

    You can tell by many comments below that a great many people do not believe the Constitution protects Christian speech and that far too many trying to use the Bible against this young man are only perverting God’s Word, they do not know the Bible at all. Yet, I am not shocked as this is all part of America’s current ongoing war against Christ and His Church, part of the ascendency of the spirit of the anti-Christ that is taking over America.

    • Billygoat72

      Sorry but there is no “War on Christians”. You get to freely practice in your churches without fear of persecution or imprisonment by the government, you are able to publicly express your religion on television, radio, internet, to publicly gather to pray. Because you have limitations on where you can preach is not a war but respect to other beliefs. To think otherwise shows your intolerance and loathing of other religions and peoples which is extremely Un-Christian of you. Look at Christmas and Easter and how that is so openly celebrated everywhere in this nation.

      Please give me one example of this war. Just one. Because your comment shows how much of an amazing hypocrite you are about the bible and its teachings. I am also a practicing Roman Catholic so, yes, I think you are very misguided and really need to see a clergy person who believes in love, Christ’s message, and not the person telling you to believe in a war and hate. Have a great day.

      • pastoredsmith

        You are part of the “war on Christians,” Billygoat72; whoever you are hiding behind that handle. The rights of freedom of religion are NOT limited to within the four walls of a church! Nor on public media! We can preach anywhere, any time we want! Atheists do it! You people try to make “atheist zones” out of public schools by peddling your religion “only” there and demanding none other be taught. “Atheist Zones.” That is what you want the world to be. You want Christianity removed from the airwaves, Internet and all media. You want us silenced. You try to force us into submission by lawsuits from your brethren at FFRF. I have news for you. You can try to force us into silence all you want, atheist, but that will never happen. You really should let go of your hatred of Christians and the God we serve. It makes you look stupid.

        • Billygoat72

          Again, give me one example of this diatribe you spew. And you also missed the part that I am a Catholic, as I have always assumed we were worshiping the same guy. How do I look stupid giving you facts and you come at me with ridiculous paranoid talk that you can’t give me one example of. And I want to make sure you realize Atheists do not believe in any supreme being, right? So they are not preaching any religion or belief in anything other than science, which I do I hope is taught in school.

          Please try to give me an example and prove me wrong without ridiculous babble that I can clearly point out how off the path you are. Just one example. One.

          • pastoredsmith

            Very well, Billy. Since you hide behind a handle, your rhetoric sounded a lot like atheist trolls who spend a great deal of time and energy on this website. Apologies for assuming you were one of them. Yes, we do worship the same God. I respect the Catholic Church, although I’m protestant. Many of my best friends who are staunch pro-life as well as other things we share in common are Catholic, and I am good friends with your church.
            That said, we have a disagreement as to whether this kid has the right to preach at school. If you feel you need examples of the “war on Christians,” read behind the FFRF. It is choc full of examples of lawsuits that are attempting to silence Christians. These atheist thugs are only interested in us because we are the people with the correct answers and worship the one and only God of the universe. And, we are most tolerant of all, so we are easy targets for intimidation. The war on Christians was evident to Christ way back in His era. He told us that we would be hated if we stand for Him. We know this oppression is real. In our time, we are spoiled to America; the land of the free and the home of the brave. But, we are becoming the land of the oppressed and the home of the cowards. As of today, it still is a guaranteed First Amendment right to express our religion publicly. Period. This school’s policy is wrong because it tries to override that freedom. America was founded and has been operated until recently as a nation that revered its freedoms. Now, these freedoms are being taken away little at a time by zealots who wish to destroy the fabric of our country.
            Yes, I have a serious problem with Islam. I have a serious problem with Buddhism and Hinduism, and all other false religions. But, this is America and we cannot restrict their ability to express their “faith” without restricting all of ours as well. America was a great gift from God and we must protect it.
            Again, I offer my apologies for assuming too much about you. We might have a major disagreement here, but we have one thing in common. We worship the same God.

      • Neiman

        The First Amendment which covers both free speech and freedom of religious expression, not only does not limit the exercise of these freedoms just to churches, but it is essential if these freedoms be freedoms at all that, that they can be freely expressed on any government property, in any government building and that includes schools. If these rights are to be restricted to certain times and places and to be prohibited from being exercised within the halls of any government institution, then they are not rights at all, they are privileges that can be arbitrarily granted or denied by the government. I know you will hate to hear it, but the Bill of Rights were written to specifically prohibit the Congress and thus the government from passing any laws in any way, shape, manner or form that would inhibit those rights. If they can be denied within any government institution or property, then Congress and thereby the government are guilty of violating the Constitution.

        Every day in this country, we have stories in the daily news, where at every level of government Christians are being persecuted for their faith. A Baker or a photographer or any employee of any business or in government are being forced to either be silent in the expression of their religious faith and commanded by the government to compromise their faith in various ways or forced to get out of business and lose their jobs. We have many, many incidents, wherein Muslims or homosexuals have been able to silence Christians on public sidewalks, when these former groups are having their gatherings, from peaceably offering salvation in Christ to everyone attending or passing by. We have had, as in a story below, wherein CPS and the police have violated the Constitution, with great ,attacking Christian families that are homeschooling their children and forcibly removing children from the homes and permanently denying their families access to them, without due process, all because they are Christians. I could go on and on and on with such stories. So-called hate speech laws are directed at Christians, all in a concerted effort by the state to silence Christians, to force them to accept homosexuality or face fines or prison. There is an out and out war against the Christian faith by the government, by most liberals, by the Gay Mafia, atheists and libertarians.

        Your twisted idea of Christian love and your false accusations of hate by Christians are beneath contempt and you are joined in this your hate by your Catholic clergy against any one who dares to be a Bible believing Christian, who dares to speak out against sin and to dares to offer the gospel of salvation by faith alone to a lost and dying world.

        • Billygoat72

          Wow, talk about reaching. You are another fun person on a high horse. Your argument for OUR faith is if we can’t preach our way over everyone else, anywhere we choose, at any time we choose, and make sure that other religions can not, then you are under assault. You quote one event about the home schoolers and that is the entire war you say. I am empathetic to other people and I rarely see it on these pages. It frightens me the hypocritical hate speech that is warmly embraced at this site.

          At the end of the day, I know in my heart that I am doing his work. I do not judge as that is his work, not mine, not yours, His. When you can accept you may find peace. God bless and I truly hope you find the way.

          • Neiman

            What of His Work are you doing?

            What hate?

            Judging? As is too often the case you have no idea what you are talking about. http://www.gotquestions.org/do-not-judge.html

            I gave many examples and you know they are true or you are brain dead.

            What God do you serve? Find my way where?

          • Billygoat72

            See , I have not called you a name or tried insulting you, which you feel happy to throw around liberally as you stand on your high chair. You gave me one example that was not based on religion, the pepper spray incident, they just happened to be Christian not BECAUSE they were practicing Christianity. Because there was a crime on a Christian does not mean it was motivated by religion, or race, or gender, or sexual orientation. When police start rounding you up in the streets, when they start burning churches to the ground, or when they start shooting the priests and preachers in the street, then you have a war on your religion. Right now you collectively sound like a child have a tantrum because they have to share their birthday cake. With that said, you proved my point. Thank you and again God Bless.

          • Neiman

            I gave you many examples where Christians are being persecuted by the police and are being denied their First Amendment rights. I referred you to examples where Christians are being forced to compromise their faith if they want to stay in business or keep a job, which are all forms of persecution. Like all wars, it doesn’t always have to start with shooting, as in Nazi Germany the war against the Jews started with a variety of laws that denied them their rights as German citizens, over time it stepped up into of violence against their persons and their property and then, after getting away with the systematic persecution came the Holocaust. From 1962 with a lie of separation church and state and Jesus being kicked out of the public square and being declared persona non grata in all of our affairs, the beginnings of the war of persecution against Christians started and it continues to this day in ever greater force, you are part of that war, so I am not surprised you would deny it exist. Christians are suffering fines, some have gone to jail and they certainly are being denied their constitutional rights. Don’t worry, it won’t be long before it will be legal for you to shoot Christians, but for now the war is the form of a myriad of persecutions against Christians.

            Please do not say God bless me, I do not know which god you serve, but by your expressed hatred of Christians here and your failure to defend their right to share the gospel of salvation wherever they go, you have proven that you are an enemy of Christ, the Gospel and the lost and cannot be serving the God of the Holy Bible. There is only one god left that you could possibly be serving and believe me, that evil being is not interested in blessing me.

        • Katee Ripid

          So true Mr Neiman, we celebrate Christmas

      • Chrissy Vee

        Really? I think your head has been buried in the sand if you haven’t noticed what is going on around you. Get a grip. Get informed. And stop being critical of things you do not understand. Very Un-Christian of YOU.

        • Billygoat72

          Nice. I am touched with your dissent. Now tell me how I am wrong and challenge me with more than garbage insults. Give me some facts and not from some propagandist web site you normally go to. Give me something to chew on. Let me get my point across clearly. I love the message of Christ and God. I think everyone should believe. What I am concerned with are the people spreading His word and those who are following those people. That’s my issue. As far as me and Jesus are concerned, we are just fine.

      • The Last Trump

        Don’t get out much?
        Wanted just one? Take your pick.
        http://spectator.org/articles/41811/obamas-unholy-war-against-christianity-not-islam

        http://christiannews.net/2014/09/22/we-do-not-allow-sectarian-materials-charter-school-removes-books-over-christian-content/

        http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/persecution-of-christians-on-rise-in-u-s/

        http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/12886/

        http://www.wnd.com/2014/11/christmas-jewish-holidays-yanked-from-school-calendar/?cat_orig=faith

        http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/05/FL-Teacher-Bans-Bible-He-s-Not-Permitted-to-Read-Those-Books

        http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/public-school-purges-christian-authors-from-library/

        http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/state-official-weed-out-conservatives-seeking-to-adopt/

        http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/12/05/school-bans-christmas-trees-colors-red-green/

        http://christiannews.net/2014/03/01/judge-rules-religious-veterans-monument-unconstitutional-endorsement-of-christianity/

        http://christiannews.net/2014/03/02/purdue-university-refuses-to-engrave-god-on-donors-plaque/

        http://christiannews.net/2014/03/24/public-school-teacher-allegedly-rejects-8-year-olds-paper-for-citing-jesus-as-her-hero/

        http://christiannews.net/2013/09/11/mother-barred-from-praying-on-steps-of-new-hampshire-school-now-praying-silently-on-campus/

        http://www.dailynews.com/20121205/seniors-decry-ban-on-christmas-tree-in-their-complex-in-newhall

        http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/u-s-awol-when-christians-in-cross-hairs/

        http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/12/08/rick-perry-president-obama-and-war-on-christianity/

        http://christiannews.net/2014/10/01/christian-bakers-who-declined-to-make-lesbian-wedding-cake-face-bankruptcy-over-govt-fine/

        http://christiannews.net/2014/06/16/california-salutatorian-defies-schools-denial-of-christian-speech-at-graduation/

        http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/21/ground-zero-cross/

        http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/jesus-painting-forced-out-of-high-school/?cat_orig=education

        http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/women-ordered-to-stop-praying-inside-mall/

        http://christiannews.net/2014/08/28/texas-school-district-duct-tapes-over-plaques-glorifying-god-following-atheist-complaint/

        http://www.christianpost.com/news/military-says-no-to-bible-camp-yes-to-gay-pride-124387/

        http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/jesus-christ-banned-from-council-prayers/?cat_orig=us

        http://christiannews.net/2014/09/17/cheerleaders-at-tennessee-high-school-take-a-stand-for-pre-game-prayer/

        http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/dem-party-official-makes-students-stomp-on-jesus/

        http://www.wnd.com/2014/11/school-bans-students-from-praying-together/

        http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2013/03/christ-banned-from-longview-council-invocations/

        http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/college-nixes-sale-of-christmas-trees/?cat_orig=education

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuytHRwtK64

        • Billygoat72

          Sorry bro, but FOX and Christian News do not a source make as they have been regularly discredited. Brietbart and WND? Really? Your source for news is propagandist websites that have in the case of Brietbart been shown to lie for stories to push an agenda. I get out bro, and obviously waaaaay more than you. Challenge yourself and fact check your sources. Then get back to me.

          • The Last Trump

            Oh sorry. I didn’t realize that your accepted news stories had to come from the comic section of your local, billygoat72 approved newspaper. My mistake. I should have realized that your narrow understanding of actual events clearly explains the sheer stupidity and utter ignorance of your comments. Please forgive me. There is, of course, no war on Christianity. Moron. Pull up.

      • jmichael39

        Freedom of religion has NEVER been bound by the four walls of a church…no matter how much you’d like it to be.

        • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

          That freedom comes with a price.

          btw, if your post is true, then why does the church use the state as a tax shelter, which clearly stipulates how far a church can take their free speech, and when the state can step in and take over.

          • jmichael39

            Churches are sovereign…they are not exempt…they are immune from taxation. The laws you’re talking about do not apply to churches…only corporations formed as churches. Churches are not required to file as 501(c)(3) organizations…the corporations churches form are. If a church doesn’t incorporate they aren’t required and donations are still tax deductible…as they are with any charity.

            In addition, your points are not applicable to individual liberties, such as those protected by the first amendment. I, as an individual, can exercise my faith in whatever way I want so long as my actions do not infringe on another’s life , liberty or property.

          • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

            Do work for PJI?

            No, we may not exercise those rights when they impede on the quality of life for another, nor when we agree to curb our rights (such as signing a student handbook). Those guys in Hemet have not been back to the DMV, have they? They never obtained the permit, and I’m sure have not been granted one since.

            I wonder what percentage of the church attending population of America attends a corporation filed as 501(c)3? Take your Calvary Chapels, your Graces, your Journeys, etc., not to mention the Mormons, the Roman Catholics, etc, etc. I would bet the majority of church goers in the US attend a corporate 501(c)3. Would you know, offhand?

          • jmichael39

            I don’t know the percentage. Though I have heard rumors that neither the Mormon Church nor the Catholic Church are incorporated. But I have never researched it to find out.

            Oh and btw, your phrase, ‘when they impede on the quality of life for another’ would not be the best way to describe the natural restrictions on anyone with regards to the exercise of their religious liberties. There is no restriction to liberty where it ‘impeded’ anyone’s ‘quality’ of life…only their ‘life’.

          • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

            I been rolling around your post in my head for a couple days. I’m not sold on your take, because what sticks in my head is

            a) the manner in which these lawsuits by Christians come up.
            Say, Hemet, Temecula Valley Unified School District (Jackson Elementary), and this story in Seattle.

            In each case there is what amounts to badgering by the defendant, or the plaintiff, respectively.

            In the case of Mark Mackey and Brett Coronado, they had been warned repeatedly by the same CHP officer that they needed a permit. In fact, the CHP (perhaps that same officer) had prepared a permit packet for them. They refused to comply and went back with full knowledge they would be arrested. THEN, after being acquitted, they had the stones to sue the state and the arresting CHP officer!

            Such is the case with the child in Temecula. Only she was lightly reprimanded after a previous incursion of the school’s policy, of which she should have been aware before she started, and was made aware before her teacher cut her presentation off. Besides this, we can reasonably deduce that her motivation was pleasing her folks.

            Then there’s this Seattle case. Same thing.

            b) the LLC’s representing them. It’s interesting they can each be traced back to Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa and CC Bible College having previously represented them.

            c) Christians suing anyone in retaliation for that Christian’s incessant incursion of policies or laws, or simply being actively ignorant of them, is ugly. It is a horrible witness to unbelievers.

            It looks to believers and unbelievers alike as if these Christian firms are coaching these people on how to break the law and how to sue the state.

            It looks like ambulance chasing. It seems to stem from a dominionist, calnvinist theology. Again, its ugly.

          • jmichael39

            Frankly, with the way the FFRF is constantly involving itself in cases of a similar vein, I have no problem with what you’re accusing these Christians of possibly doing. Though I’m not 100% sold on the notion that they ARE being coached into these suits, I don’t really care. The freedom of religious expression is not bound by whether someone is annoyed or irritated by that expression. I don’t see any of these Christians jumping up in class to speak over the teachers or anything like that. There is utterly no reason to hinder these people from expressing their faith…no matter what the faith. I’m not going to approve it for Christians but not other religions. They all have full freedom to express their faith. Even these so-called commencement speeches that schools try to restrict. If the student is legitimately eligible to be their class’ valedictorian, who the heck are these schools to tell them they can’t express how their faith guided them in their achievements…no matter the faith?

          • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

            I like your point. Maybe there should be made a forum for all faiths to exchange views, maybe they could call it Mars Hill.

            The problem is when these guys proselytize to captive audiences, as they would be at a school.

        • Billygoat72

          You missed the point I made completely. I can feel the blood boiling in your comment. You sound angry for the sake of being angry. Breathe and find peace with Christ. I do it at work and at home, in my car, everywhere. Relax and enjoy His love.

          • jmichael39

            Feel free to go do that very thing. I’m not one making false accusations of being hypocrite, misguided, filled with war and hate, un-Christian and others.

            –Houston, TX – VA cemetery director forbidding the mention of God at soldiers’ funerals.

            –NYC, NY – City official making attempts to end all city leases to churches

            –A federal judge threatened “incarceration” to a high school valedictorian unless she removed references to Jesus from her graduation speech.

            –City officials prohibited senior citizens from praying over their meals, listening to religious messages or singing gospel songs at a senior activities center.

            –A public school official physically lifted an elementary school student from his seat and reprimanded him in front of his classmates for praying over his lunch.

            –Following U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs’ policies, a federal government official sought to censor a pastor’s prayer, eliminating references to Jesus, during a Memorial Day ceremony honoring veterans at a national cemetery.

            –The State of Texas sought to approve and regulate what religious seminaries can teach

            –Through the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, the federal government is forcing religious organizations to provide insurance for birth control and abortion-inducing drugs in direct violation of their religious beliefs. (thank God for Hobby Lobby)

            –A federal judge held that prayers before a state House of Representatives could be to Allah but not to Jesus.

            –A public school official prevented a student from handing out flyers inviting her classmates to an event at her church.

            –Public school officials prohibited students from handing out gifts because they contained religious messages.

            –The U.S. Department of Justice argued before the Supreme Court that the federal government can tell churches and synagogues which pastors and rabbis it can hire and fire.
            All that being said, I openly admit out brethren here in the US are not persecuted nearly as much as they are in other countries like Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries. But spare me the lame attempt to suggest that Christianity is not under attack in the US as well…so far as it can be attacked without legal kickback.

      • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

        Universal Healthcare mandate to fund abortion pills.

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      In Christ’s day and in Paul’s, they didn’t have to get a permit. If they did, I’m sure they would have done so.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

    Here is a link to a website outlining Students Rights: https://www.alliancedefendingfreedom.org/issues/public-education/k-thru-12
    As you will clearly see children can “FREELY SHARE HIS OR HER FAITH WITH OTHER STUDENTS”. I hope the district is prepared to lose!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

    1 Peter 3:14-16 “But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled, but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason
    for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.” I look forward to the school being put to shame for persecuting a child of the Living God. I also look forward to reading all the hate comments to follow from anti-theists who *just had* to come to a CHRISTIAN news site. Seriously, do these people get excited from being angry or something? LOL “He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision” Psalm 2:4. God always gets the last laugh.

  • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

    We have the God given, American blood bought Constitutional right to preach the Bible in the Public forum whether it offends those that hear it or not! That’s why we have the freedoms given by the Constitution! Give me Liberty or Give me DEATH!!

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      What IS that verse?

      “When you go out I send you as sheep among wolves —
      SO PICK EVERY FIGHT YOU CAN”

      Yeah, that’s it. Matthew 10:16 or something …

  • jennylynn

    They allow everything on campus, homosexuality, Islam, Planned parenthood etc. but when someone comes with the life saving gospel they try to shut them down. And when campus shootings happen and they wonder where God is, you can just say they kicked Him out. Don’t be surprised when everyone starts acting like animals after being brainwashed that they are evolved slime. This is a result of our godless nation. May more people stand up and pass out tracts and preach the gospel.

  • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

    You don’t like my Jesus talk?! Gimme all yo’ money, sucka! Remember that Hemet story?

    It’s preaching to a captive audience, open air preaching without a permit (which might have been obtained), and harassment of both students and administration, and routinely breaking rules he agreed to laid out in the student handbook (not that I’ve read their handbook, but I would assume that to be based on the district’s stance). imo, PJI has coached themselves up another open-air preacher in order to sue another government entity.

    Reminds of that charade in Hemet, CA. The two non-pastoral “pastors” were arrested for like charges, ACQUITTED, then turned around and sued the state for millions, even seeking the termination of the CHP officer involved.

    Perhaps this corporation befuddling the mind of this kid has never heard of

    AMAZING GRACE.

    Ambulance chasers, imo

  • Greg

    God said “Mark 16:15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. ” God didnt say only if men agree with it, all rules are null and void that comes against Gods word!

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      Matthew 10:16,23

      Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

      But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

      Who is persecuting this child where he hadn’t sought to be persecuted?

  • jennylynn

    This boy knows where his true treasure is! This world and everything will burn up, but this young man will reap a harvest. May we all join him.
    Luke 19:15
    “For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”

  • James Grimes

    He will have his day in court. The Pacific Justice Institute does not file frivolous lawsuits. There had to be some merit to this case before the filing. When everything is said and done, the school will back down and this evangelist will be able to do what God has ordained him to do.

  • Tony

    I like you know that all atheist DONT want GOD in their lives no matter what proof or evidence you have. My old man self would say let them go to their deadend fate and die the way they want. However, now I have a new birth and I do want to please The GOD that true Christians worship, I will say to them “open your eyes” and pray to GOD that their eyes may open. Thank you for your time.

  • James Grimes

    Please disregard the comments of Miss Elle. She is a vulgar Atheist.
    On a positive note, Michael Leal is doing what the Lord commanded in the Great Commission. He is witnessing to those who he engages with on a daily basis in the school setting. There are some who will cry “Foul!,”, but he was doing the right thing as long as he was not disrupting the educational process. From what the news article tells us, he was witnessing at times other than class, so he was OK. The disruption came from the school administrators. Since the school administration is most likely liberal and godless, they were in a rage about one student doing the unthinkable – sharing the message of the Gospel.

  • Peter Leh

    I am afraid the student might lose this one.

    There is a way you can eat your cake and have it at the same time by following the rules, being a good neighbor/student, and overall not being a “butthead”.

    Other christians are distributing bibles on campus (Satan worshipers too) without being escorted off the property. Why can’t this student?

    Do the “rules” not apply to him?

  • Evangelina Vigilantee

    Amen Frank!
    Acts 5; 29

  • Spoob

    “At the Car Bash, a school-sponsored event on school property and attended by faculty and administrators, Leal used a bullhorn while he was preaching, then ran from administrators when they approached him, one witness said. He continued to preach. “The staff was trying to talk to him, and he was running away and taunting them,” said Gretchen Weiss-Elliot, who was at the event with her two children and a Moroccan exchange student, who is Muslim. “He had a bullhorn and was yelling, ‘Praise the Lord!’ and ‘You’re going to go to hell!’ Nobody could not hear what he was saying,” Weiss-Elliot said.

    Based on that, I hope he gets sued right back.

  • Spoob

    The whole story is not being reported here. Students complained they were being harassed by him, along with parents that witnessed it. He was disrupting class and passing out literature during class time. At a school event, he actually used a bullhorn. When school officials tried to approach him, he taunted them, through a bullhorn, and ran from them. They did give him lots of warnings and offered him, to start his own club in school.

  • William Tyndale

    Good for him. Need more like this young man and his parents to take it to these school administrators who believe our constitutionally protected right to religious expression in public does not apply to them.

  • Bill

    he has classes with non instructional time!