Michigan House Approves Religious Freedom Restoration Act Despite Opposition

Michigan HouseLANSING, Mich. — The Michigan House of Representatives has approved a state version of the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) despite opposition from those who claim that the bill will give license to people of faith to “discriminate.”

HB 5958 cleared the House Judiciary Committee 7-4 on Thursday, and then moved on to the full House, where it also passed 59-50. It now moves to the Senate for consideration, and if passed, will then be sent to the desk of Gov. Rick Snyder (R).

The bill essentially mirrors the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which was signed into law in 1993 by then-President Bill Clinton, However, as the law only applies on a federal level, the U.S. Supreme Court has urged states to enact their own RFRA to protect citizens.

“The free exercise of religion is an inherent, fundamental, and unalienable right secured by Article 1 of the state Constitution of 1963 and the First Amendment to the United States Constitution,” the proposed statute reads.

It then uses federal legal standards to mandate that laws cannot be used to substantially burden the religious beliefs of inhabitants, unless the law serves a compelling government interest and is only uses the least restrictive means to further that specific interest. The proposal also allows those who believe that a law violates their religious liberty to bring a legal challenge against it, such as did companies like Hobby Lobby.

“I support individual liberty and I support religious freedom,” House Speaker Jase Bolger (R) declared Thursday to the Judiciary Committee. “I have been horrified as some have claimed that a person’s faith should only be practiced while hiding in their home or in their church.”

But Bolger has faced opposition from those who state that the bill promotes discrimination. Democratic members who spoke against the RFRA specifically cited their disagreement with allowing businesses to decline homosexuals should their request violate the conscience of the owner, or allowing pharmacies to refuse to dispense abortifacients due to their religious beliefs.

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“This bill moves us in a new and uncharted direction. It requires me and others to practice the faith of our employers, grocers and pharmacists,” Rep. Vicki Barnett (D-Farmington Hills) told those gathered. “I should not be forced to follow the religion of my pharmacist.”

But Bolger said that the bill is not new at all, since it is only modeled after federal law to also ensure protections on a state level.

“Do you think that Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy were extremists?” he told MSNBC. “We modeled [this bill] directly after what they did. I’m baffled to hear that what we’re doing is out of line.”

“I am asking you today to give Michigan’s law abiding citizens the same protections as Michigan’s incarcerated felons have,” Bolger also declared prior to the vote Thursday.

A number of states have likewise passed RFRA bills in recent years, including in Mississippi and Ohio.

“[The Declaration of Independence] talks about how our right as human beings are not given to us by government, nor the Constitution, but by God,” declared Ohio Rep. Bill Patmon (D) earlier this year. “Protect what God has given you; that is the whole idea.”


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  • Neiman

    It is strange that Rep. Barnett says that passing a law that only reflects the First Amendment, would force her to follow the religion of her pharmacist. She can go to a different pharmacy with no harm to her. There is nothing that says she must agree with her pharmacists of follow his religion, just to get a prescription filled. What it means is that she cannot force Him to compromise his faith unless there is a compelling government interest in doing so and the remedy must be the least restrictive on the faith of that person possible.

    • Demopublicrat

      She’s just making stuff up in a desperate attempt further push the pervert agenda.

      • Neiman

        Sadly, this will be the Liberal/Democrat mantra and they will get far too many people to agree.

        • Demopublicrat

          Years of brainwashing.

          • Neiman

            Yes, I agree and they are masters at this craft of twisting and lying and brainwashing people. It is unfortunate that the GOP is so inept most of the time in countering their lies.

          • Demopublicrat

            The GOP is complicit.

          • Allah Carte

            Fox news viewer says what?

    • Allah Carte

      There are way to many small towns infested with the Christian belief system. It’ll happen.

      • Neiman

        It is interesting that you use the word “infested,” as in bug ridden. So, let us assume you are not only and atheist, but a rather hateful one.

        There is hardly a small town left that are not withing a very short drive of another town, so short it would be compared to most of us driving part way across our home town. There are many, many options available today, to say nothing of the internet.

  • James Grimes

    Good for Michigan; good for Christians and Jews. As for the Atheists, they will have to learn how to live with it. Blessings to those who voted in favor of the bill.

    • John Munro

      Hope you figure out the freedom you enjoy was because of Christianity read the declaration of Independence. People who are willing to die for your freedom are not God haters but believers in Jesus Christ. In Combat there are no Atheists in the fox hole.

      • James Grimes

        I’m not sure what your purpose is, but I agree with your assessment. BTW, I served my country. I don’t think they’re anything I need to figure out about this issue.

        • emorystudent123

          My God carries a hammer and yours died getting nailed to a cross. Nuff said bro.

          • James Grimes

            LOL. Next joke, please!

          • Daniel P. Jones

            Congrats on being born in America where you were taught to be a Christian, and not in India where you would’ve been a Hindu, or China and Buddhist. You get the idea.

          • emorystudent123

            China and India don’t force you to be anything at all. Their last prime minister was a Sikh, president was catholic and she was sworn in by a muslim…

          • Daniel P. Jones

            Lol that went right over your head

          • jcrosby35

            The first time Jesus came was as the Lamb of God to be sacrificed for the sins of man kind. For that He was nailed to a cross.
            The next time He comes will be as the Lion of Judah.
            If you are not ready to receive him you will be judged by Him.
            Every knee will bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God.

          • emorystudent123

            Lions are almost extinct so I dont see that happening. And since most conservative Christians are bigoted fools, they will never have a chance to see this lion since lions live in Africa.

          • jcrosby35

            Ignorance is not blessed. The flesh profits nothing, the spirit profits all.
            You are not even close.

        • Allah Carte

          You did no such thing. If you served this country, you would have fought for the equal protection of every citizen of this country. You are a fraud.

          • jcrosby35

            Equality is for all. Not just for your bigoted opinion.
            You are a fraud.

      • Lucy_Fer

        There are plenty of atheists in foxholes.

        • Biggy Johnson

          you frequent foxholes? can you pick me up some foxes next time you go

          • Allah Carte

            You can google many atheists in foxholes and they are proud of it.

          • John Munro

            not when they find them selves in torment forever~

          • Allah Carte

            There is no hell my little fear mongering terrorist.

          • John Munro

            18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

            24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

            26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

            28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

          • Allah Carte

            Where is your scientific evidence bible thumper? Otherwise, you’re just a fear mongering terrorist.

          • John Munro

            the lack of 1/2 monkey 1/2 people should be your first clue how mush faith does it take to believe in evolution when there is no proof? America has been Christian since 200 years before you were born professor

          • Allah Carte

            Please try to take up some sort of education outside of sunday school before replying. Try again.

          • John Munro

            8For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

            24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

            26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

            28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

          • John Munro

            Hell is being with out God you are and to blind to see it.

          • Allah Carte

            You mean hell is mythical gods followers murdering and shoving that terroristic belief system down childrens throats. It’s child abuse.

          • John Munro

            no I mean professors who evolved from monkeys or rocks. never studied anything but insects adapting so this relieves you of a creator?8For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

            24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
            26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
            28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

          • Allah Carte

            There is no hell my little fear mongering terrorist.

        • John Munro

          perhaps you could verify a static from WWII ?

          • Allah Carte

            Lying about something doesn’t make it true. Only a brainwashed fool would believe it was just Christians that fought in the World Wars and the front lines.

          • John Munro

            So you have a better one you say that you are an Atheist = do not believe. Why do you force non belief? attack Christian beliefs when the chances are you have never honestly attempted to follow Jesus Christ. Common sense would say if you criticize something should you first read about it with an open mind? If you believe we were all just monkeys or animals then you have nothing to loose right? So do you normally do that with people I mean just hear a rumor that condemns then automatically just hate them without knowing the truth? I would honestly feel silly do that … Its about love .. ever try to hate someone who is nice to you even though you are not? Its hard to. He love you.

          • Allah Carte

            Force my non belief? Cupcake, there’s nothing to force down your throat from an atheist, but then, you religious nut jobs, are always trying o shove your terroristic belief system down every one else’s throat. It’s hard to follow some mythical being that doesn’t exist. Try again fool.

          • John Munro

            8For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Its ok you guys show hatred and contempt for the people who care about you have no rules to follow. Yet we face Gods judgment and remember the freedom you have always enjoyed is because of Christianity the muslims kill atheists and homosexuals.

          • Allah Carte

            Sorry my little brainwashed friend, but fairy tales are for little girls with big imaginations. I will not allow myself to feed your mental illness anymore.

          • John Munro

            fairy tales ? oh you think your shaming me? I know there is no proof of anything evolving. You were pushed into believing in nothing from the Communist supporters like ACLU communist draft dodgers. We have evidence for Jesus and what he did but you Daddy was not a monkey and your not millions of years old fairy tales ? dreams of dancing with dawkins ??

          • John Munro
          • John Munro

            your a scientist who studies evolved relatives and rocks that you once were. remember Obama is a muslim who is trying to make America like pre WWII and treat non-muslims like Jews and they kill Homosexuals and Atheist also…at some point you have to decide the point of attacking Christ followers we would fight for you but would you care about us?

        • John Munro

          maybe but with each near miss they repent

          • Lucy_Fer

            Keeping dreaming my terroristic little religious nut job.

          • John Munro

            That’s ok you doubt because you listened to others who believe they evolved from rocks or monkeys.. Never studied about any of it but you know every thing. But people who can read and study with an open mind can find the truth. Since you think grasshoppers adapted that that’s the same as God? just irresponsible and lazy to read …

      • Rosie Goldfarb

        Not true. The framers of the constitution were deists at the most. The Bill of Rights clearly states the definition and purpose for a much-needed wall between church and state. First you’re denying science. Now you guys are denying history.

        • James Grimes

          Only one of the 55 may have been a deist and even that is speculation.

          • Lucy_Fer

            I hear lying will send you to hell. Repent vile sinner!

          • James Grimes

            As I had said earlier, you are a hateful and delusional person. That is your problem; not mine. You can either wallow in your misery or look to the God that you deny.

          • Daniel P. Jones

            Lol it’s taught in schools that many of the founding fathers were deists, and some atheists. Realize that the words ‘under god’ were added in the 50s, which is clearly unconstitutional. America’s hilariously getting more religious as time goes on… up until recently.

          • James Grimes

            Just what we need… another Atheist opinion that is meaningless.
            Getting back to the article, this bill will not allow people to indiscriminately be selective with who they deal with. They will have reserved for them the protection of their religious beliefs. This can work to everyone’s advantage. Believers here can rejoice in the fact that these protections will exist.

          • Daniel P. Jones

            You seem to have trouble deciphering between opinion and fact. The comment above is not an opinion.

          • James Grimes

            And you think I’m interested?

          • Daniel P. Jones

            Lol it doesn’t matter if you are or not; I’m just informing you.

          • Allah Carte

            You should look in the mirror. Granted, it will crack, but its something you definitely need to work on. Pot, meet kettle.

          • Biggy Johnson

            and so is thou shalt not Judge

          • Lucy_Fer

            I’m not a Christian. I can judge all I want.

          • Biggy Johnson

            So can Christians but at least they know its wrong something you have missed. My point is this you need to be as tolerant as you want them to be or you will get no respect

          • jcrosby35

            And you also have a right to be judged as you are judging.

          • Lucy_Fer

            So burn in mythical hell. It’s your choice.

          • John Munro

            with the measure that use measure other the same shall you be judged

          • Biggy Johnson

            oh you know when the voices in you head say things to you, you probably should not type them out next time. yea just keep that stuff to yourself

          • B1jetmech

            Very true.

        • James Grimes

          “The Bill of Rights clearly states the definition and purpose for a much-needed wall between church and state.” This statement is incorrect.

          • Biggy Johnson

            sorry it does no such thing because the bill of rights does not mention a separation of church and state her is the closest quote The First Amendment states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

          • Biggy Johnson

            if you want to learn some history Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter to the Danbury Baptists and that’s where the phrase started but its not in the bill of rights or the constitution

            LINK to library of congress

            http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html

            To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S.
            Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of
            Connecticut.

            Gentlemen

            The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which
            you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury
            Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties
            dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my
            constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity
            to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

            Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies
            solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for
            his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government
            reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign
            reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that
            their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of
            religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a
            wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this
            expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of
            conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of
            those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights,
            convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

            I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection &
            blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for
            yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high
            respect & esteem.

            Th Jefferson

            Jan. 1. 1802.

        • Biggy Johnson

          Here ya go The First Amendment states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

          • Biggy Johnson

            so a law affirming that the government can not prohibit the exercise of religion is not a denial its the exact opposite.

        • B1jetmech

          There were maybe TWO that were deists. Most others were Christian.

          Our rights DO NOT come from the Constitution. The Constitution limits the power of the federal government.

      • Daniel P. Jones

        Lol who are the god haters? I don’t think you realize how many atheists there are in our military. Don’t be so naive.

        • Biggy Johnson

          there are a lot and they should be able to practice their atheism as they choose

      • Autumn

        Really? You are really going to claim there are no atheists in foxholes?! I been besides amazing men and women who were atheists, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Etc. Do NOT Diminish their service for your “holy” views on the Declaration of Independence because Uncle Sam doesn’t refuse anyone who has the ability to depend our country and help police the world.

        • John Munro

          Yes I stand by my statement the last real war was WWII and the muslims were on Hitlers side. This used to be taken seriously to be willing to die for your country.

          • Autumn

            If you’ve never been in the military, keep your mouth shut. Vietnam, the Korean war, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Do the deaths of those soldiers mean nothing?!

    • Lucy_Fer

      Actually, if you think for one minute gays or atheists will stand by while Christian sharia law is attempted upon us. It won’t be our blood running, I guarantee that. Any freak that uses this law against me will meet “baseball bat jesus”. On one side, we have a picture of white jesus, on the other side, it says turn the other cheek.

      • Biggy Johnson

        so you would take away someones choice because its not the one you like, wow

        • Ed Rexroad

          we are the ones that have to be tolerant, not them, silly

        • Allah Carte

          If you picked up an actual science book, or even talked with a handful of gays (instead of running from them), you’d realize they were born that way. So you are saying that choices should come before the way people are born? Are you rallying to re-enact slavery because the bible says something about slaves (sons of ham).

          • jcrosby35

            Actual science book? Born that way? You best get up to date. That BS is just that.

          • Michael Servetus

            And so are child molesters and every other pervert? No they are humanity made in the image of God gone astray

          • Allah Carte

            Gays aren’t pervets you sick child molesting freak.

    • Kevin

      “allowing businesses to decline homosexuals”

      “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you are to love one another.”

      • Biggy Johnson

        allowing them to choose how American indeed, much better than being forced

    • Daniel P. Jones

      So typical for an old war vet to be so blatantly intolerant.

      • James Grimes

        I’m not interested. Atheists’ opinions have no value here.

        • Daniel P. Jones

          Hahaha neither do useless uneducated old boys

        • Daniel P. Jones

          Nor does an uneducated grimy old boy’s

          • James Grimes

            I can always count on an Atheist to be insulting and disagreeable. I guess it comes with denying the God of the Universe. But, in the end, it is totally meaningless.

          • Daniel P. Jones

            Haha and I can always count on an old Christian being assuming and prejudiced. It’s a two way street bub. I never even said I was an atheist loool

          • jcrosby35

            Well there is one thing you can count on.
            God’s judgment of this world, starting with the Church and including the world.
            The big difference is the Christian is saved by grace through faith. Eph. 2:8-10.
            The rest of the world stands on its own merits. And that gets them nowhere with a Righteous, Holy God.
            Are you ready?

        • Allah Carte

          Neither do Christians. We are a secular country.

  • John Munro

    Everyone has faith many in nothing ( God haters or Atheists) but Christianity makes the most sense.

    • Jarlath Bloom

      Buddhism makes more sense.

      • Biggy Johnson

        the federal mint makes the most cents

  • Gary

    There is a clash of religions at work in America. Those who hate the Christian religion continue to try to force Christians to not practice their religion. Well, we Christians are not going to be bullied into that, and we will fight back. Hopefully the legal methods will be enough to enable us to win that fight. If not, then we will use other means.

    • Lisa McCoy

      I agree hopefully other Christians are ready to stand up for their faith and their right not to be forced to violate their belief.

    • emorystudent123

      You are a hypocrite. Would you allow Muslims to practice their religion where you live, maybe build a few mosques and refuse to sell you meat that isn’t hallal? You wouldn’t be okay with it so please reevaluate your life. And if you think Christianity is the greatest religion, ask yourself why its people are the poorest and most unhappy people in the world….

      • Gary

        Christianity and Islam cannot coexist because the Muslims won’t tolerate Christians. They prove that daily around the world.
        Christianity is the greatest religion because it is the only one that is true. Christians are not the poorest and most unhappy people in the world. You probably have real Christians confused with fake ones. Most of the people in the world who claim they are Christians are really not.

  • jcrosby35

    There are more people of faith than not. The law is a double edged sword. Us it.

  • Marilyn Cotton

    You already practice the faith of your employers. Whether faith or atheist, you practice it. If you do not like their practices, you are not obligated to work for them.

    • Lucy_Fer

      We do no such thing. We go to work, do our job, and get paid. Your religion is just that, your religion. Keep it behind bedroom doors and away from our children, no one wants to see that filth of murder, rape, and genocide. There is nothing about faith in a capitalistic society. If my memory serves me correctly, your so called god told you people to sell all your belongings, give it to the poor, then follow in blind. Not one of you people even do that. Your faith is a farce, and your hatred for others born differently is disgusting.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

        Mark 2:17 KJV “…They that are whole have no need of
        the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the
        righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

        • Lucy_Fer

          Still don’t see one Christian doing this.
          Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            And what of you? How are you proving to be better than Christians? Have you sold your possessions in the name of atheism? Have you fed the hungry or visited the lonely? What have you done to make the world a better place?

          • Lucy_Fer

            I don’t hate people because they were born different. I don’t use ancient books of terror to judge others. Science, it’s your friend.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            I don’t hate people because they were born different either. In fact, my best friend is gay. I’d highly doubt he’d say I’m judgmental. And what does science have to do with judging people? If you think science is supposed to be the opposite of faith, I think you’re mistaken. In fact, faith and science can go very well hand-in-glove. One of my favorite scientists, Sir Issac Newton for example, was a great man of faith as well. So was George Washington Carver, and others. The reason these men (and women) got into the study of the natural world (scientific exploration and analysis) was because they so loved God, they wanted to study His creation. In fact, you should check out “Men of Science, Men of God” by Henry Morris. It’s a very nice read.

          • Lucy_Fer

            Interesting, you’re here saying you have a gay friend, and that you’re not judgmental, but you’re here standing up for this kind of tyranny. silence is acceptance. Call out your extremists.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            This isn’t tyranny. Tyranny is having a gun held to one’s head and being told to deny God or they’ll blow your brains out…like what happened to Cassie Bernall. She died because she believed in Jesus. She and many fellow classmates were murdered by two atheist students- Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. THAT is tyranny.

          • Lucy_Fer

            No, tyranny is having a gun held to your head and say you don’t deserve nothing unless you believe in my god. See how that works cupcake.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            When has that ever happened? Please cite specific examples.

          • Lucy_Fer

            Lets see. Why don’t you google Christian and Muslims murdering each other in Africa. Look at the so called witches being burned by so called followers of god. Look at the hateful Christians in Uganda. Take a look at every beaten homosexual because the religious right things they should change from the way they were born. This law here, this would allow doctors to deny health care, landlords to deny housing. It’s sick and disgusting. Thankfully I’m an atheist, there is no way I could live with myself with this kind of sick and twisted mindset.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            Muslims are not Atheists. This shows you can’t answer my question.
            So instead, I will cut to the chase- If it could be proven to you to your satisfaction that God does indeed exist- would you worship Him?

          • Lucy_Fer

            Really? Wow, had no F’ing idea that muslims weren’t atheists. EYEROLL. Google cupcake. Put down your myths and go face reality.

          • jcrosby35

            Terror?

            Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

            Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

            Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

            Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

            Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

            Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

            Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

            Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

            You want judgment? Then just continue to ignore God’s love and gift in Jesus Christ.
            God has provided, but you will reap what you sow.

          • Lucy_Fer

            Yawn. More bible fear mongeing.

          • KenS

            If you were to read the entireity of that passage you are quoting, you will see from the context that he was statiing this to a person whose God was money and possessions, therefore He was telling him to quit believing in his riches and believe in Christ alone for salvation. it was not a general commandent to all christians to do. This was one area of this man’s life that Jesus knew was holding him back from serving God

          • jcrosby35

            Why are you raging on lucy. For over 45 years I have dedicated my life to serving the Lord. I have made the sacrifices and experience the good of the Lord in my life that enables me to serve Him.
            Does your god do as much for you or does he just encourage your hate and rage?

        • Lucy_Fer

          How rich are your senators and congressman passing this bill again? Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
          Your bible is just terrorism for dummies. The only part you cherry pickers adhere too, is the murder, hate, genocide and rape.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            You seem very angry lucifur.
            May the Living God grant you peace in your heart.

          • Lucy_Fer

            F your god. You seem to be in denial. Why are you owning a computer? Do you lack faith?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            What do you suppose I am in denial about? And what of you? why are you so angry at God? if he supposedly doesn’t exist, you’d be happily indulging in whatever brings you happiness here and now instead of getting yourself upset by reading and posting on a christian website. Do yourself a favor and go out and do something nice for yourself. If you have a favorite book or movie, you can sit back and relax with that, have something nice to eat and just generally give yourself a nice day. It seems like you need it.
            And I sincerely hope you do have a nice day.

          • Lucy_Fer

            You’re in denial because your god tells you to sell everything and give it to the poor. I’m guessing you have a house, a computer, tv, luxuries jesus never needed.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            What does someone else’s actions (or lack thereof) have to do with your belief or not in God? Are you saying that you’re so influenced by what other people do that you can’t think for yourself? So what if somebody didn’t do this or that? It certainly doesn’t affect you.

          • Lucy_Fer

            There is no god. You’re just going with the flow. If your god really existed and was all omnipotent. Don’t you think he’d have all the time in the world to offer assistance to his creation personally and not act like a dead beat daddy?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            Actually, God has personally intervened in my life. Therefore it would be silly to say He doesn’t exist when I have had first-hand experience of His presence. In fact ask any Christian about God and they will give testimony of their experience. God intervened in my life after I hit rock bottom during my divorce from an abusive man. He guided me to take all the right steps and I could feel His presence when I would cry at night contemplating suicide. When all my life I was told I was worthless, stupid, a mistake, I read God’s word and it said I am worth dying for, that I am not a mistake, and that I am loved. How could I turn my back on the only being in this world who accepted me for who and what I was and then helped me be a better person. Spitting in the face of Him would be a pretty foolish thing for me to do. I would rather believe in the God that loves me than the humans who hate me.

          • jcrosby35

            Your hate and rage goes on. In Jesus name I rebuke that spirit of hate and rage. I rebuke the liar that lives in you. Get out satan in Jesus name.

      • jcrosby35

        You are wrong lucy. I have sold my goods and went to a foreign country to work and build Church’s for My Lord Jesus Christ. And I spend much time dealing with hateful people like yourself. You are full of hate, evil and half truths like your father. Satan is the father of hate and lies.
        I rebuke that spirit in you in Jesus name.

        • Allah Carte

          Yet here you are back with those materialistic things. Didn’t your jesus provide you enough?

          • jcrosby35

            You bet He provides for my every need. Your post shows how ignorant you are. This is a materialistic world and my Lord supplies accordingly so I can go and preach the Gospel. Get real.

  • Leeann

    This isn’t just about pharmacist. This include hospitals, EMTs, police, firemen, teachers and many other things. So because I don’t followthe religion of my EMTs they shouldnt save my life? Because I don’t believe the same thing as an officer I shouldn’t be protected from criminals? Because I don’t follow your religious belief i should receive a lesser education. If that’s what you truly believe then you have some inner demons you need to deal with. This includes children. Because a child’s parent doesn’t worship like you they should suffer? Don’t forget this doesn’t just mean christianity, it means Islamic beliefs, catholic beliefs and many other religions including satanic have this right as well.

    • Neiman

      That is ridiculous and grossly ignorant. This law would never impact any emergency services nor could it deny anyone equal education, these are things with compelling government interests. It means Christians cannot be forced to violate their faith in the conduct of normal business, a photographer or baker may not be forced to participate in an activity which violates their faith, while denying selling products or services based on sexual preference alone would not be allowed. It means a person working cannot be forced to agree that something like homosexuality or abortion is not a sin, they may not be forced to engage in any activities that promote or defend those activities and they cannot have their jobs threatened for believing differently or may not be forced to take sensitivity classes designed to coerce their faith.

      It is maximum freedom of religious expression/beliefs as the 1st Amendment intended, which does not deny other people basic services of the state based on those beliefs, while not forcing people of faith to participate in or promote activities which violate their faith.

      • Jarlath Bloom

        As a follower of the Norse Pantheon, this means I can forcibly disbar any who so bear the cross as unbelievers from my store? Awesome.

      • John Munro

        if all that is true that is how you feel lead the way go against your belief act as a Christian does read the bible go to church bible study pray love God with all you heart and soul and strength and love your neighbor as your self…do donate to help others who are in poverty .. take attacks from Atheists like you are doing….

        • Neiman

          I am sorry, I am having trouble understanding what you are saying.

          • John Munro

            8For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

          • Neiman

            I don’t know what point you are making:

            Romans 1:18
            For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven The
            apostle having hinted at the doctrine of justification by faith in the righteousness of Christ; and which he designed more largely to insist upon in this epistle, and to prove that there can be no justification ofa sinner in the sight of God by the deeds of the law, in order to set this matter in a clear light, from hence, to the end of the chapter, andin the following ones, represents the sad estate and condition of the Gentiles with the law of nature, and of the Jews with the law of Moses;
            by which it most clearly appears, that neither of them could be justified by their obedience to the respective laws under which they were, but that they both stood in need of the righteousness of God. By “the wrath of God” is meant the displicency and indignation of God at sin and sinners; his punitive justice, and awful vengeance; the judgments which he executes in this world; and that everlasting displeasure of his, and wrath to come in another world, which all through sin are deserving of, some are appointed to, God’s elect are
            delivered from, through Christ’s sustaining it, in their room and stead,and which comes and abides on all impenitent and unbelieving persons. This is said to be “revealed”, where? not in the Gospel, in which the righteousness of God is revealed; unless the Gospel be taken for the books of the four Evangelists, or for the Gospel dispensation, or for that part of the ministry of a Gospel preacher, which represents the wrath of God as the desert of sin, the dreadfulness of it, and the way to escape it; for the Gospel, strictly taken, is grace, good news, glad tidings, and not wrath and damnation; though indeed in Christ’s sufferings for the sins of his people, which the Gospel gives us an account of, there is a great display of the wrath of God, and of his indignation against sin: but this wrath of God is revealed in the law, it is known by the light of nature, and to be perceived in the law of Moses, and may be observed in the Scriptures, where are many instances and examples of divine wrath and displeasure; as in the total destruction of the old world by a world wide flood, the burning of Sodomand Gomorrah, turning Lot’s wife into a pillar of salt, the plagues of Egypt, and the several instances mentioned in this chapter. This wrath is said to be God’s wrath “from heaven”, by the awful blackness which covers the heavens, the storms and tempests raised in them, and by
            pouring down water or fire in a surprising manner, on the inhabitants of the world; or “from heaven”, that is, openly, manifestly, in the sight of all; or from God who is in heaven, and not from second causes;and more especially it will be revealed from heaven, when Christ shall descend from thence at the day of judgment: the subject matter or object of it,

            against, or “upon” which it is revealed, are, all ungodliness, and unrighteousness of men; that is, all ungodly and unrighteous men; or all men who are guilty of ungodliness, the breach of the first table of the law, which respects the worship of God, and of unrighteousness, the breach of the second table of the law, which regards our neighbours’ good: and these persons are further described as such, who hold the truth in unrighteousness: meaning either such who know the Gospel, which is “the truth”, and do not profess it openly, but hold and imprison it in their minds, which isa great piece of unrighteousness; or if they do profess it, do not live up to it in their lives: or rather the Gentile philosophers are designed, who are spoken of in the following verse; who had some knowledge of the truth of the divine Being, and his perfections, and of the difference between moral good and evil; but did not like to retain it themselves, nor communicate all they knew to others, nor did they live according to that knowledge which they had.

            http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/romans-1-18.html

          • John Munro

            to Make God first in your life. and Not evolution

          • John Munro

            well im sure you would not? intentionally ignorant

  • Michael Servetus

    It doesn’t force you to practice their faith as the deluded rabid leftist politician stated but it requires that in compliance with constitutional guarantees that you must respect the right of people to disagree with you particularly when you step into their home or business. Otherwise you are forcing them to practice your unbelief and atheism which is a violation of their conscience and law. No one is to be forced against conscience period. It doesn’t matter that you disagree or think it is right if the mindset is not present then you are tyrannically forcing something that is not there. A person must be left to their freedom to practice and to live freely. And you are free to go your way and adapt and find a people that agree with you and be happy there otherwise you have to respect the rights and feelings of every individual. You cannot ask them to respect you as you are and you do not have to respect them as they are. You must be ready to accept their disagreement just as they accept yours, that is true freedom, true tolerance, true diversity and true nation building. This is the true purpose of the law to preserve and protect the right and freedom to disagree without punishment or persecution or undue burden.

    • emorystudent123

      An uneducated shop keeper has no right to tell me I can’t purchase something her store sells. This law is literally anti-capitalist and the most idiotic thing I have ever read in my life. Practice your religion at home, not overtly.

      • Biggy Johnson

        Its about private property rights the owner can refuse anyone he wants however I agree its stupid to do so in most cases. Let me give you a true to life example not far from where I live is a bible and religious item shop they also have a small coffee, snack and ice cream shop attached. Its a busy place with lots of people buying first communion book bibles etc etc. A local motorcycle club that happens to be satin worshipers decided they liked the coffee and would hang out park their bikes out front never harass the customers but it was a very uneasy place to go to when they were there. If I use your idea its anti capitalist and the business owner cant refuse any paying customers his religious book shop is not far from going out of business because his normal patrons are intimidated and don’t like to new clientele.

        • Biggy Johnson

          one other point by saying “religion needs to be at home” you are saying the government forcing a religion on all of its citizens. Yes by saying you need to be an atheist in public you have picked state sponsored atheism as our national religion and that’s not right either.

        • emorystudent123

          Wait till you get rejected from Chinese restaurants and doctors (more than half the doctors in America and Hindu or Buddhist) and lawyers (half of which are jews) and homosexual business owners. Then the tables will turn. Then you will regret supporting a 14th century law.

          • Michael Servetus

            No man has a right to another mans labor. If you say he does then you believe in slavery. Where a man is not free to choose but subject to the will of others. If we are rejected it shows that we have not properly built our nation. We have allowed too much diversity. Diversity doesnt mean one must accept all things and abandon conscience. Diversity to the point of breaking down morality for now we must include immorality in our diversity, and every opposite. This is the abandonment of true reason and virtue. We even rebel against the ides of virtue now when that was the only path to freedom that we now self destruct

      • Biggy Johnson

        one other point by saying “religion needs to be at home” you are saying the government forcing a religion on all of its citizens. Yes by saying you need to be an atheist in public you have picked state sponsored atheism as our national religion and that’s not right either.

      • jcrosby35

        A stupid student emorystudent123 has no right to walk into someone’s store and demand services that violates another persons conscience. If you have a problem with someone then go somewhere else.

        • emorystudent123

          If it is your business then don’t sell the thing you object to. If you refuse to sell to a person because of his background then you belong back in the 15th century.

          • IndyRich

            Where, exactly, in the legislation does it say that it is OK to sell a Big Mac to a hetrosexual but not a homosexual?
            That’s right….IT. DOES. NOT.

          • WARIII

            No it does NOT, what it does say is I as a person that owns a business does NOT have to participate in your unGodliness, just like “No Shoes , No shirt , No service. It is all about morals, I do not want you in my store if you are improperly dressed(MY standard -Not yours) If I am a bakery I will NOT bake a wedding cake for your sodomite”wedding” because that would make ME a part of your service. If I were a photographer I would not shoot photos of a like event for the same reason , it would make ME a participant of what I view as immoral.

          • IndyRich

            …..and why are you responding like that to MY comment??

          • WARIII

            Sorry I apperently did not pay enough attention to your post and misinterpreted it.

          • IndyRich

            OK….no harm, no foul.

          • WARIII

            No it does NOT, what it does say is I as a person that owns a business does NOT have to participate in your unGodliness, just like “No Shoes , No shirt , No service. It is all about morals, I do not want you in my store if you are improperly dressed(MY standard -Not yours) If I am a bakery I will NOT bake a wedding cake for your sodomite”wedding” because that would make ME a part of your service. If I were a photographer I would not shoot photos of a like event for the same reason , it would make ME a participant of what I view as immoral.

      • Michael Servetus

        No man has a right to another mans labor.

    • doesntevenmatter

      Very well said, Michael.

  • Michael Servetus

    This is a true to American principle form of freedom and just that provides for true freedom, true respect, true rights, true non discrimination which means against someone for taking a position. Meaning no one way protection or discrimination. It must be liberty and justice for all nkt just a special group, that means that everyone must accept things they don’t like and be happy in their right amd freedom not to partake and not suffer for not doing so. That mean that we are free to associate as we please.

  • Lucy_Fer

    Christianity rearing it’s ugly terroristic head again. Thankfully, there’s a second amendment to solve problems like these, and LIONS. BRING BACK THE LIONS!

    • jcrosby35

      It is not Christianity or Christians you need to fear. (FEAR GOD).

      • Lucy_Fer

        There is no god, but I will fear the Christians. 2000 years of terroristic bloodshed and hatred. I’m amazed at how quickly your kind will defecate all over the constitution of this great country. You people quickly forget people came to this country to escape religious persecution, not partake in it.

        • jcrosby35

          The fool says in their heart, there is no God.
          It appears you just proved the saying.

          • Lucy_Fer

            Cant you religious / mentally ill folk provide some proof that isn’t in the terrorism for dummies manual? Why can’t your god show up and just clear this up. Ironic he’s been gone for 2000 years. He’s either a myth, or he just can’t stand you people either.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            You seem very angry at a God you supposedly don’t believe in. I’m assuming somewhere along the way you were let down by a person of faith. I hope you find healing. Peace be with you.

          • Lucy_Fer

            It’s hard to be angry at things that don’t exist, unless you’re a schizophrenic. I’m just sick and tired of you evil religious folks pushing your terroristic belief system onto the people of this country.

          • jcrosby35

            Proof? How can I prove to a blind pig that they are in a wallow and they need to get out. There is so much better if they truly choose to look.

          • Allah Carte

            You could just ask him to come down here and settle this once and for all.

          • jcrosby35

            Soon enough the Lord will return. And when He does there will be and accounting. Are you ready?

            Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

            Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

          1. The Puritans fled England because they wanted to establish a “Purified Church”- one that was based on Christ. Hence the name “Puritan”. If you met them, you would hate them even more than the current body of Christ as they were even MORE fervent in their faith.
          2. The total number of Christian victims of Soviet state atheist policies, has been estimated to range between 12-20 million. That is just the USSR alone. Millions more Christians were murdered by atheist gov’ts such as in Cambodia with Pol Pot, The slaughter of the Vendee in France, North Korea, China, etc…
          Please tell me where Christians have EVER committed genocide against atheists?

          • Lucy_Fer

            They commited genocide on those atheist savages we now call the native Americans, the Mayans, that Aztecs, and about anyone else they could over the past 2000 years. Sorry cupcake, this country was built on freedom from religion. You can worship what ever myth you want, but you have no right to force that hateful belief system on to anyone.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            The First Nations People such as the Mayans, Aztecs, etc were people of DIFFERENT faiths. They were believers in something. The Aztecs for example believed in Quetzalcoatl. They were never atheist. Just because someone isn’t Christian, doesn’t mean they are automatically atheist.

          • Lucy_Fer

            But you killed them anyways, and the excuse the Christians gave to condone those murders. They were godless savages. Pretty sick actually.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            How did I kill them? First off, I’m not a conquistador. Secondly I happen to BE part Algonquin.

          • Lucy_Fer

            But you’re partaking in this religion. Luke 19:27, Isiah 45:7

          • James Grimes

            You’re providing good entertainment. Thanks.

          • Lucy_Fer

            And you’re providing horrible lip service to a terroristic religion.

          • jcrosby35

            Answer the question lucy.
            Have you sacrificed your children to demons and satan?

          • Lucy_Fer

            Are these your new imaginary Friends?

          • jcrosby35

            You like scripture? Here is the whole quote in context.

            Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

            Isa 45:8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

            Your raving is going to come back on you.

            Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

          • Lucy_Fer

            Sorry cupcake, your mythical god is evil. All Abrahamic religions were birthed from terroristic beliefs.

          • jcrosby35

            Are they? I do not think so. But then I can see why you would say such a thing. Fact is they destroyed the evil from the land so it would not infect those who were called to walk in righteousness in God’s law. You see the people of the land whom Israel destroyed were satan and demon worshippers like you. Those people willing sacrificed their children to the demons they worshipped. God called for their destruction to cleanse the land of the evil they practiced.
            How about you lucy? Have you sacrificed your children? Have you filled them with your hate? Maybe like so many others you have sacrificed a child to satan and his demons. Its called abortion. And its evil. My God is not mythical and once again He will judge according to His righteous Judgment. Are you ready? Are your children ready or have you sacrificed them to satan?

          • Lucy_Fer

            The evil from the land? And what was that evil? Those godless pregnant women your god insisted the Israel people would attack and then rip the fetus’ from their bellies by the sword? Must have been those horrible savages in the new world that looked at the genocidal maniacs wrong.

          • jcrosby35

            Your imagination is working over time lucy. You need to read the accounts. Get a bit of Biblical history. Your raves are like your Bible quotes. Out of context. But that is to be expected. Satan has done the same thing from the beginning.

          • Lucy_Fer

            Read your blood thirsty bible.

          • jcrosby35

            Lucy you seem to have and inordinate hate for God and His Word the Bible. Do you have a demon? The hate you display is very irrational and twisted. It is not good for your kids or you.

          • Lucy_Fer

            I don’t hate things that don’t exist, I hate people that spread hatred and ignorance on Bronze Age terrorist belief systems.

          • jcrosby35

            Have you sacrificed your children Lucy? Do you have a demon? You are delusional and ignorant and full of lies and like satan making statements of half truths. Answer my questions lucy. In Jesus name I rebuke that liar spirit in you.

          • Lucy_Fer

            Don’t forget slavery too! Man, those godly men had it for those darker skinned ones they called lesser humans, and then beat them exactly like god said they could.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            Just because someone is of a different race doesn’t make them atheist. Many Africans are (and were) animist- like the First Nations Peoples. They believed in various different gods and goddesses.
            So your comment doesn’t make much sense.

          • Lucy_Fer

            They definitely weren’t Christian till their masters forced it upon them. Christianity was always known for forcing itself on nations by the sword. I also find it ironic, these same legislatures are fear mongering muslim sharia law, then implementing their Christian version of it.

        • Gary

          You are not being asked to participate in anything. The bill is designed to prevent people from being forced to do things they don’t want to do.

          • Lucy_Fer

            Like what, exist in a diverse world? Great, go be with your God. Then everyone wins.

          • Gary

            I’ll go when the time comes. I know you want me to go now, but you don’t get everything you want.

          • Lucy_Fer

            So you’re saying you don’t have any faith in that so called afterlife.

          • Gary

            No, that is not what I’m saying. Where did you come up with that?

          • Allah Carte

            Why do you so called faithful fear death so much?

          • Gary

            What have I said that leads you to that conclusion?

          • jcrosby35

            fear death?

            Phi 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

            Phi 1:22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

            Phi 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

            Phi 1:24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

            Now you fill in the blanks
            For me to live is…………..
            For me to die is……………

          • Allah Carte

            Then end your misery of living with people different than you.

  • Rosie Goldfarb

    So does this apply to non-Christians as well? As a Humanist I find the Conservative Fundamentalist version of Christianity bigoted and offensive. Let’s see how this plays out.

    • Biggy Johnson

      its no real change this has been federal law for 21 years

    • Gary

      You have the right to associate with those of your own choosing who also wish to associate with you. Everyone has that right. And the government has no business interfering with that right.

  • Rosie Goldfarb

    I find it so laughable that Christians are playing the persecuted victim card as if baking a cake for an “icky” gay couple would completely violate their moral code. Or serving pancakes to a lesbian is akin to a religious attack. Are they that emotionally and spiritually fragile they can’t handle dealing with someone who loves a little differently? Blows me away.

    • James Grimes

      Where does the article discuss cakes and pancakes? Or is it, your Gay and Atheist mindset is working over time?

      • Lucy_Fer

        We know what you terrorists want, so we can add cakes and pancakes in, and you know the right to live by medical science, the thing that goes against your god.

        • James Grimes

          You are an angry and delusional person who is stalking a Christian forum. Your comments are meaningless (but entertaining) and your presence here is insignificant. I hope you get the help you need.

          • Lucy_Fer

            Of course facts and reality are meaningless to you people. You think I didn’t know that. But alas, like I said before. I hope you terrorists don’t start discriminating to quickly. We are ready to take that stand.

          • Biggy Johnson

            LOL was that intended to be funny because you cant be taken seriously

          • Biggy Johnson

            No one here will respect anything you say because you are a religious bigot. Read your posts they are full of hate an intolerance. The only terrorist here is you, go troll somewhere else

          • Lucy_Fer

            You mean terrorists like yourself will ignore what I say.

          • jcrosby35

            Facts, Reality?

            I will give you the fact of reality.

            You are going to die some day. Are you ready for that?

            Your philosophy is meaningless in that day.

            From your death bed to the time of your judgment you will be judged by your fear and conscience.

            Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

            Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

          • Lucy_Fer

            If only there was hope for you. The sad thing is, even if your god is real, it must suck being so horrible that not even your god wants to come for you.

          • James Grimes

            There is hope for me. I am a sinner that has been saved by the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior. I expect to spend eternity in heaven with Him. It is a glorious assurance that I have.

          • Lucy_Fer

            Pssst. He doesn’t want you, that’s why he hasn’t came back.

          • jcrosby35

            Dumb, ignorant answer.

            2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

            2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

          • Lucy_Fer

            2000 years of any day now. hate to say this, but you fundies and your circular reasoning posting these stupid bible quotes isn’t going to win me over. It just shows your lack of evidence your god exists.

          • Techno Viking

            And I expect to spend some time in Valhalla training for Ragnarok. It’s a glorious assurance that I have.

          • Autumn

            Just because you are saved by christ doesn’t mean you can be rude to others. Kinda the opposite really.

          • jcrosby35

            That works both ways.

            Approach determines response.

            While I prefer the truth and political correctness is not truth.

            Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

          • Allah Carte

            Sorry my ignorant little fundamentalist, but no one wants to hear from your ilk either. Your religion and its so called love is meaningless to our secular society.

          • James Grimes

            Nice of you to post this on a Christian forum. As you know, this comment is meaningless and your presence here is insignificant. You have been dismissed as a hater and ignorant Atheist.

        • Biggy Johnson

          wow with that last statement you won me over you are such an amazing gift for knowing how to say ….. nothing constructive

      • John Munro

        18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

        24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
        26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

        28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. Romans 1

    • Biggy Johnson

      it shouldn’t they are basically the same thing both just want there lifestyle choices respected. And the bill of rights is very simple to understand “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

    • Biggy Johnson

      Oh and its not about serving the cake or whatever its about being an American and having a choice rather than being forced. Being gay is not morally right or wrong its a lifestyle choice, and yes the same could be said about being religious its not bad or good its a lifestyle choice. I don’t think either side wants to be forced to do anything.

  • J Brandon Masangcay

    How can you call yourselves Christians when you can’t even do what Christ commanded in John 13:34 and Matthew 25:40?

    • Gary

      John 13:34 is a commandment for Christians about other Christians. And no Christian is supposed to engage in homosexuality. Matthew 25:40 is directed at fake Christians about their actions toward real Christians. And homosexuals are not the brethren of Christ.

  • Autumn

    I think this bill should NOT pass. What happened to loving your neighbor like you love yourself? What happened to not judging others or youll be judged? What happened to guiding others to christianity by showing compassion and love to everyone? Does Jesus’ death mean nothing, just so you can prove a point? “Oh I’m a Christian, and I live in America! Let’s disappropriate the 1st amendment to only our benefit so that we can further discriminate against those who are different than us because we dont like them! Oh and those LGBTs? They can make like the Old Testament and die, ‘Where are my stones when I need them?’. Those who don’t claim to be Christian? We don’t like them either.”

    That’s basically what you’re saying, and THAT is NOT Christianity.

    • Gary

      “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” Ephesians 5:11; “Abstain from all appearance of evil.” 1 Thessalonians 5:22. How do you reconcile those scriptures with your desire to embrace homosexuals?

  • Biggy Johnson

    Ok before everyone goes ballistic and shows their bias a little history the is a state version of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act that has been federal law for 21 years. it has been seen by the supreme court an is constitutional in fact it just affirms the bill of rights. Lest we forget The First Amendment states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

  • runBAMrunfaster

    So hypothetical. Let’s say I’m…we’ll go with pagan. I own a bakery. A Christian couple comes in asking for a wedding cake. I turn them down because being a pagan means I have a religious objection to dishonoring my gods or my anscestors, which I would definitely be doing as the Christian faith holds that my gods are merely faces of pure deceit and evil, ditto to the anscestor worship. This would obviously violate any nondiscrimination laws which cover faith, but it seems like it would ALSO qualify me for protection under this new law so here’s my problem; whose faith is more important?

    • jcrosby35

      Whose faith is more important has nothing to do with it. It is about equality under the law for all faiths.
      You have a problem with my faith then go some where else.

      • runBAMrunfaster

        Psh, YOU go somewhere else. It’s my hypothetical bakery.

      • runBAMrunfaster

        It’s my hypothetical bakery, YOU go somewhere else.

  • aberdeem

    They can make many laws. The trouble is they don’t enforce them. Look around

  • Bill Tree

    A word of wisdom to be atheists this bill doesn’t force you to serve God. It just reinforces the free exercise clause of the Constitution so that Christians can share their faith without the fear of the government telling them they cannot do it. Thank God for these legislators who stood up to support the principles that we value as Christians to share our faith with others. We are not out to force anyone to acknowledge our believe as we do we just want the right to free exercise thereof which we were granted in the Constitution of this country. I would suggest to the Supreme Court justice to support the biblical view of marriage and the word of God to help the government to understand that we are not against the government but that we will stand up for the principles of God and live by them regardless of laws passed by the Congress or any judicial branch within this country. I say again thank God for brave people that would uphold the word of God against all opposition. Praise God, praise God for he will return for his people.

    • Lucy_Fer

      Never enough lions when you need them.