‘This Will Not End Well’: School Board Allows ‘Transgender’ Males to Play on Girls’ Teams

BROOKLYN CENTER, Minn. – A Minnesota high school sports league’s decision to allow male students who ‘identify’ as females to participate in girls’ sports has elicited concern from many parents and Christians.

On Thursday, the Minnesota State High School League Board of Directors approved a controversial “transgender” student policy. Once the policy goes into effect next year, male high school students who “identify” as females will be allowed to participate in female-specific athletic programs.

“League member schools will now have some guidance from the Board on determining the eligibility of transgender male-to-female (MTF) students to participate in gender-specific athletic programs,” the Board of Directors explained in a written summary of their meeting last week.

The Minnesota State High School League, which has nearly 500 member schools, is responsible for overseeing high school athletics throughout Minnesota.

“Today’s action follows months of research, consultation with other state high school associations, meetings with the Minnesota School Boards Association, Minnesota Association of School Administrators, Minnesota Association of Secondary School Principals and Minnesota Interscholastic Athletic Administrators Association, and several public hearings,” the board added.

According to the new policy, only male students who have “a consistent gender identity” that is “different from the student’s gender identity assigned at birth” will be allowed to participate in girls’ sports. School officers will be responsible for deciding if male students fit the transgender policy’s specifications.

Proponents of transgender-friendly policies applauded the Minnesota State High School League’s decision.

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“All students want is a safe place to just be who they are,” claimed Monica Meyer of OutFront Minnesota, according to the Minnesota Star Tribune. “That includes in the classroom, on the court or field.”

However, many parents and Christians are less optimistic about the new policy, saying it will likely lead to unsafe situations for girls on sports teams. Steve McConkey, president of 4 WINDS Christian Athletics, told Christian News Network that Minnesota’s transgender policy “will not end well.”

“In the past, Minnesota allowed girls to be on boys teams. Now, a boy can participate on the girls teams,” McConkey said. “Physically, men are stronger than women. This will not end well.”

McConkey said the transgender policy goes “against God’s principles.”

“If you oppose transgenders in sports, than you are labeled a bigot or hater,” he stated. “It is a way to minimize Christian beliefs. I do not know why they do what they are doing, but the Bible clearly says in the last days, there will be deception. The homosexual population is less than two percent in the USA, but their influence is increasing at a rapid rate. In Minnesota, only one of the twenty board members voted no. This is a sad commentary on our public schools.”

Though private religious schools are exempt from Minnesota’s new transgender policy, McConkey said not all Christians can afford to enroll their children in private schools.

“Everyone does not have an opportunity to afford a Christian school, so they will be forced to accept these school policies without question or move on,” he warned. “A divide has been created that will negatively impact Christian kids.”

Christians should continue proclaiming the truth, even in the face of opposition, McConkey said.

“We need to pray and stand up, respecting our opponents, but speaking the truth,” he concluded. “Parents need to educate their kids in the proper climate. This may increase home schooling and private schools may increase in numbers. These are tough times for parents, but God will give grace.”

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  • James Grimes

    This won’t last long and it will not go well. Once the boys overwhelm the girls, the girls will not want to participate. The Liberals will then have to take some action against the boys.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

      I would like to know what the other teams think. This can’t possibly be fair to them!

      • James Grimes

        Is that really a consideration? The Liberals don’t care. They want to make a point by passing legislation that aims at social fairness, a dubious term at best. Liberals never look at what’s best for all the people; they want to further their agenda by appearing to be concerned about the downtrodden. They will keep doing that until this country hits rock bottom – and then it’s too late!

        • Carol Sakaguchi

          But it is socially unfair to girls, you can’t have it both ways.

          • Wakame

            Trans girls are girls – they have female brains and the brain is the person.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            But it’s not the brain that’s scoring that goal. It’s a boy’s body- one that has more muscle than a girl’s. Here’s a question, would it be fair to hold a boxing match between the current male heavyweight champion vs the current female champion?

          • Wakame

            Would it be fair to hold a boxing match between a 6′ 4″ heavyweight male and a 5′ 4″ lightweight male?

            Would it be fair to hold a boxing match between a muscular, 6′ 250 pound body-builder girl and a 5′ delicate 100 pound girl?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            My point is that males in the same sport have a physical advantage over females. It’s basic biology. Therfore forcing a woman to compete against a man in a physical competition is unfair and sexist.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Except no such advantage exists, contra-hormone therapy removes any such advantage.

            You can look like an olympian god pre-hormone therapy, and it does not matter, that muscle mass will not survive.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Because contra-hormone therapy strips that testosterone led advantage.

          • pastoredsmith

            But contra-hormone manipulation will never change a person’s gender. “As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.” Twisted is always twisted. Perverted is always perverted. Changing God’s creation in this manner is perversion.

          • Wakame

            What if a man thinketh in his heart that he is a woman?

          • pastoredsmith

            He sinneth and must repent. But, you already know that, scoffer.

          • Wakame

            But following your logic through – if he thinks in his heart that he is a woman then he is a woman, even if that makes him a sinner.

          • pastoredsmith

            You are not following “my” logic, scoffer. You are scoffing at God’s Plan for mankind. You are a fool (Psalms 14;1), largely to be ignored and laughed at. Your “logic” is man made and falters at every corner. You cannot take one passage of Scripture out of context, twist it to your sinful agenda and force Christians to believe you have the answers. But, you know this. That is why you scoff. I have news, scoffer. No amount of ridicule or scoffing will change the truth. Give up your foolishness. It makes you look completely stupid.

          • Wakame

            Perhaps it is the devil who causes these children to be born into the wrong bodies and it is the doctors who are carrying out God’s plan by developing medical procedures to put them in the right bodies.

            I mean, has it occurred to you that if Jesus came to heal a transgender child, he would do it by correcting their body rather than their mind? In other words that he would give a transgender girl the body that she knew she should have had. I mean, his healing generally involves correcting bodies.

            By the way, Psalms 14;1 refers to atheists. I am ignostic.

          • pastoredsmith

            OK, ignostic. That means “scoffer.” I got it right. And, as to your claim that you are not atheist, you do doubt God’s Word as to its authenticity by your own words. So, that makes you more atheist than you admit to. I’ll just call you “scoffer.” That fits well.
            As an ignostic, you want an explanation as to why God did everything He did, right? You think you can better interpret His Word than He can? You think you know about children, yet you know nothing.
            The thing that occurs to me is that you dismiss the Word of God as authentic and try to twist it and remold it into your own image.
            You have no answers because you twist the questions and then dismiss the answers when they come. Give it up. You are in an endless fool’s cycle.

          • Wakame

            Being Ignostic, I don’t doubt God’s word, nor do I seek an explanation of why God did everything he did, I merely seek a definition of God that I can understand and that makes logical sense.

          • pastoredsmith

            Based on your comments on this thread alone, not to mention other comments you made on other threads along these same lines, it appears you are not interested in answers. You simply wish to muddy the water for everyone else and bring them down to your level.
            If you don’t doubt God’s Word, then you trust it. And, the explanations of why God did everything He did are not all for us to discern. While I do believe we should question our environment and why things are, it is also true that some answers are not meant for us to know. Why does gravity work? Why do bad things happen to good people?
            And, you are trying to equate acceptance of sin with God’s Plan. The two don’t mix. Not now, not ever.
            I’ll wait for your next attempt to muddy the water again. I recommend you just give it up and learn to TRUST God. It appears you have issues trusting Him. Let go and learn to TRUST. He is trustworthy. If you don’t doubt God’s Word, you know this.

          • Wakame

            You misapprehend my intentions – I seek to clarify, not to muddy. That was what I was seeking when I asked you to show me the passages in the Bible that refer specifically to gender identity disorder and how it should be handled.

            No only that, but I have done my best to clarify for you the difference between gender identity disorder, homosexuality and transvestism. This is the opposite of muddying – it is clarification.

            You see, clarity comes from understanding. So we need to understand exactly what the condition is, what the most effective treatment is, and what the Bible has to say about it.

            I have explained the condition to you, I have outlined the most effective treatment we have found. That’s my contribution to the clarification. Biblical references would also be a welcome addition to the debate, so please supply them and then things will be clearer still.

            I don’t equate acceptance of sin with God’s plan, I merely point out that because you don’t know what God’s’ plan is with regards to gender identity disorder, you don’t know whether his cure would be to change the mind of the trans girl to male, or her body to female. That’s OK – you say yourself that there are some answers that it is not meant for us to know.

            In the meantime, we are left with a small number of extremely vulnerable children who are suffering terribly every day.

            In the absence of Biblical guidance, it seems reasonable to explore what treatment has been the most effective at alleviating the distress of these children. Transition is objectively and demonstrably the best treatment we have found.

            Please also be willing to consider that you might have been mistaken about these children – that’s OK too – we’re all human.

            I appreciate that as a Christian, you have a problem with homosexuality and that you have seen homosexual men dress and act in a feminine way. This might make gender identity disorder look similar to homosexuality at first glance to you. But actually, it’s completely different.

            Think of it this way – heart disease and indigestion can both look similar from the outside because they can both involve chest pain, but they are actually two completely different and unrelated conditions. In the past, people could be excused for mistaking them for the same thing, but we have moved on – we now know better and we treat the two conditions according to the underlying problem, not according to their superficial resemblance.

          • pastoredsmith

            No, I don’t misapprehend anything. Whatever your intentions, you are muddying the water by combining sin, repentance, forgiveness and trying to equate any physical deformity with all the above.
            BTW. I have heart disease. I have suffered with it for years. And, it has nothing to do with sexuality whatsoever. Chest pains that mimics heart attack? Had those too. But, to equate this situation with sexuality? Definitely muddying the water. No clarification here.
            If you really want answers, then you must cease combining things that have nothing to do one with the other. God Created man perfect in the beginning; sin perverted His Creation causing birth defects and all the rest of man’s problems. Just as a “crack baby” is born with defects due to his mother’s drug abuse, a baby with a sexual disorder is born due to all of mankind’s sin (not necessarily JUST the sin of his parents as is true with many other disabilities).
            Clarification is needed. Combination of non-similar maladies is not clarification. It is confusion and muddying the water.

          • Wakame

            You misunderstand. Read my post again – I am not equating chest pain with sexuality, I am doing the opposite – I am saying it is completely unconnected to sexuality.

            I agree with you that combination of non-similar maladies is not clarification. If you read my post more carefully, you will see that is exactly the point I am making – that gender identity disorder is not the same as transvestism or homosexuality. You see? I am saying they are NOT the same.

            But let’s go with your thesis anyway:

            So, because of the sins of mankind, some children are born with gender identity disorder. These children are suffering very deeply. What should we do to help alleviate their suffering?

          • pastoredsmith

            They should be treated the same as any other person with a disorder. 1) Extreme love and compassion. 2) Corrective admonition based on Scripture. 3) Surrounded and bathed in prayer.
            This is assuming you are not talking about an infant. They need the same as any other infant, because there is no such thing as a gender confused infant. Teach them the truth in love from infancy and avoid many of the fallacies of gender confusion. But, when the parents treat their boys like girls and vice versa or put them in a “gender neutral” environment, confusion results. When a child is taught the truth that gender equals what is between their legs as a child, they will not grow up with gender confusion. The truth will set you (them) free.

          • Wakame

            Lots of my replies are not being allowed. Hopefully I can at least say this: pretty much all children are taught that gender equals what is between their legs. Gender dysphoria is when a child feels female DESPITE being told that they are male. That is kind of the definition of the condition.

          • pastoredsmith

            Therein is the water muddied. The true name for this “condition” is “GENDER CONFUSION.” It is not physical (unless there is a birth defect as such); it is a matter of choice. Yes, our choices are influenced by society; even manipulated. But, in the end, it is our choice. No baby can choose. They only explore and learn what is in their world.

          • Wakame

            There is a birth defect, so it is physical and is therefore not a choice. Hence the repeats on the androgen receptor gene, the female brain structures, the female digit ratios etc etc.

            Trans kids are not confused – if they were confused they wouldn’t know whether they were male or female, or they might feel female one minute, male the next and neither or both at the same time. That would be confusing!

            But trans girls generally just feel female consistently, and without deviation from the age of 3 or 4 until they die of old age. No confusion.

      • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

        There’s no advantage in being transgender in sports, because once you’ve been on contra-hormone therapy for any significant length of time, you have the muscle density and mass of your identified gender.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

          Well then if a boy who has successfully transitioned into a female wants to play ball and does not have any physical advantage over “her” opponents then all is well. I just don’t like the idea of some coach putting a boy in a dress (so to speak) just to win championships. I used to play sports in hs and I know there were some pretty ruthless coaches out there who would do whatever it took to win. But if the person really is fully transitioned then I have no problem with them whatsoever.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Because that would never happen… at least in our misogynistic society…

    • TheBBP

      They will be crying foul when their gender-neutral agenda has male athletes dominating female sports. You’d think that this would be a hot issue for feminists.

      • James Grimes

        One would think so, but Feminists are committed Liberals, so they are willing to make the “sacrifice.”

        • TheBBP

          It won’t be long until some boys who want to be funny will intentionally “identify” as girls so that they can do this very thing and work to dominate girl’s sports. The precedent is being set.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            How would a transgender girl be able to dominate a sport, she’d have no advantage over any other girl once on contra-hormone therapy.

          • TheBBP

            This article is talking specifically about males who identify as females.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            A transgender female, is someone who typically was assigned, or identified male at birth, but identifies as female.

            Contra-hormone therapy removes any advantage testosterone might bright to such a girl (in much the same way that contra-hormone therapy in a transgender male would convey the male muscle advantages, were he to participate in male leagues).

          • pastoredsmith

            Because “she” is not a girl. “She” is a boy.

          • James Grimes

            That will be one of the unplanned consequences of the Liberals’ action. They are looking to be gender-neutral, no matter what the consequences.

      • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

        Except with contra-hormone therapy there are no advantages to having a Y chromosome, since testosterone is blocked and male muscle mass is completely lost.

        • TheBBP

          Again, this article is talking specifically about males who identify as females.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Well, no, they are talking about girls who were mistakenly identified as male at birth.

          • pastoredsmith

            Really? Are you so ignorant that you don’t know how to tell gender by looking at a baby’s genitals? No amount of lying about gender will change what God gave that baby.

          • Wakame

            What about CAIS – the baby has testicles (internally) and no womb, but she does have a vagina and female genitalia?

            Or what about adrenal hyperplasia where the child is female but is born with clitoris that is so enlarged that it is immediately taken for a penis?

            Or what about intermediate conditions where a child is born with something larger than a clitoris but smaller than a penis?

          • pastoredsmith

            You talk of physical deformities. You try to mix physical deformities with mental choices. Sorry, won’t work. Lame excuse for trying to legitimize perversion. Birth defects happen without any choice of the one who has them. Choices to be queer (by any definition) are just that….choices made by the person.

          • Wakame

            You said earlier that intersex people don’t exist. Now they do? Do trans children choose to have female brain structures? That would be quite a trick to pull off.

          • James Grimes

            She has an agenda that she is trying to force you to accept.

    • BarkingDawg

      Just how many boys do you think will be on these teams?

      • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

        None, because transgender females are not boys 😉

        • BarkingDawg

          Good answer.

          But my point is valid. This will effect one or two persons per high school, max.

          Big deal.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Not really, because contra-hormone therapy removes any perceived, or actual advantage of having testosterone driven muscle mass.

          • BarkingDawg

            You are missing the point entirely.

            Some of the posters here are acting like there will be hundreds of children per school taking advantage of this policy.

            That won’t happen.

            It’s a bunch of pearl clutching over nothing.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Um, this happening for even one child is a victory…

            But to look at the stats., 20.7% of Minnesota’s population is between the ages of 5 and 19. This means an approximate population of 1.1 million school children. Stats on gender variance range from 1 in a thousand, to 1 in a hundred, so lets take the lowball figure and say 1 in a thousand, which means that in Minnesota alone this decision will potentially affect 1000 students.

            Not hundreds.

            A thousand, who will not be discriminated against in this league.

          • pastoredsmith

            Treating a person by their gender; determined solely by their genitals, is not discrimination! However, allowing boys to use girls bathrooms and locker rooms and vice versa IS DANGEROUS!
            Let the boys be boys and the girls be girls.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Do you have any evidence for your wild fearmongering? or do you just have fear and ignorance?

            Also we are, transgender people, are the gender they identify with.

          • pastoredsmith

            Fearmongering? You create imaginary fairy tales and make false accusations based on your ignorance. Yes, I have definitive proof that transgenderism is wrong as well as homosexuality and any other sexual deviance from God’s marriage plan. It’s called the Bible. The authority that you reject on the outside so that you may live your life without fear of consequences. I have news for you. You know the truth, yet you reject it. And, those consequences don’t go away. They are still in your future. Transgenderism is a sin. A blight on America and on mankind.

          • Wakame

            God’s marriage plan? I see, so given that 29% of trans women are attracted to women, you wouldn’t have any objection to them getting married because in your eyes that would be a man marrying a woman – yes? This is progress at least.

            Once again though – could you let us know what the Bible actually says about gender identity disorder? Not homosexuality, not transvestism, not male prostitution, not eunuchs – specifically gender identity disorder. Thanks.

          • Doug L.

            You treat the Bible as if it’s 100% fact. It’s not. Again, ignorance seems to flow very high with you. The moment you start being more accepting of other people’s ideals and beliefs, is the moment this hatred will stop. You are being extremely oppressive, and that gets people no where.

          • pastoredsmith

            Direct from the mouth of a fool (Psalms 14:1). You are completely ignorant if you think the Bible is not 100% accurate and dependable. Your problem is that you don’t try to understand the message….you just render your opinion, which is very flawed.
            No, the moment you stop spouting accusations where no guilt lies the hate will stop. It is YOU and your ilk who hate God and His followers.
            You are oppressing people. And, you will answer to God for that.

    • Kara Connor

      Yes, this will likely result in a majority of boys suddenly becoming trans girls. Meanwhile, back in reality…

      • TheBBP

        Nobody is talking about a majority, but all it will take is one publicized instance of this and people will be screaming. If you don’t think teens would do such a thing, all you need to do is go to youtube to see that there are SCORES of kids these days who want nothing more than to become an internet celebrity. This precedent would open such a door.

        • Kara Connor

          That is exactly why opponents end up fabricating such incidents, for example

          http://www.transadvocate.com/trans-student-attacking-girls-in-restroom-or-you-know-not_n_10284.htm

          which was debunked by a recorded interview with the Superintendent of the school. Boys can’t just claim to be trans girls. They have to convince the school they are genuinely trans by producing, for example, evidence from medical professionals. No trans girl is going to do anything to draw attention to herself in the restrooms or changing facilities. Such laws have been on the statutes in various states, such as Washington, and are perfectly capable of being enforced without causing problems. No “doors have been opened” in any of the p[laces adopting such protections for trans students.

          • TheBBP

            Until someone with a lawyer in their pocket gets told that they don’t meet the standards and then sues the school/school district and everything else for discrimination. That is how these things go.

          • Kara Connor

            So we should avoid giving equal rights in case someone sues for equal rights. Uh huh.

          • TheBBP

            I am just telling you how it is going to end. The idea that they are going to govern this is laughable at best.

  • Gary

    Does this mean that if you are a lesbian trapped in a man’s body, you can now play on the girls basketball team?

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

      I’m a gay dude trapped in a woman’s body, I NEED to go into the locker room at the local firehouse and “observe” them. LOL

      • Wakame

        It’s strange that you make jokes about a medical condition that affects children and that is so difficult to live with that it drives 41% of them to attempt suicide. It doesn’t seem very compassionate or Christian to make light of it..

        • James Grimes

          You’re bringing an issue to a Christian forum where most Christians have a biblical worldview and then you’re disappointed that we would not go in a different direction. I’m not sure why you are even bringing this topic up for discussion here. If the Bible says it, we are to believe it. There are Liberal sites where you will get more sympathy.

          • Wakame

            I didn’t bring the issue here – I didn’t write the article, it is the article that brought me here.

            So I come here to educate. I work with trans people, I see what society does to them and I see Christians being amongst the first to object to even basic medical treatment for this extremely difficult condition. You will understand if I have compassion for people who are suffering and want others to understand how to deal with the condition.

            As I mentioned elsewhere, the Bible says nothing about gender identity disorder. I am not sure why Christians are so opposed to it. Perhaps you are confusing it with homosexuality – that seems to be a common error. Perhaps this is because you have seen homosexual men acting in an effeminate way or wearing feminine clothes and you therefore assume that this must be the same thing. It isn’t.

            This is a biological condition where a person is born with a female brain but a largely male body. If you would just study the subject a little more deeply, you would realise that it is birth defect, like cleft palate and that it can be successfully treated.

          • Gary

            What is the treatment? And what if someone does not want the treatment?

          • Wakame

            I don’t know if this forum allows links, but just in case it does, you might find it instructive to watch this short video biography of a typical trans girl. She is like so many of the ones I have personally met.

            While you watch it, ask yourself 2 questions:

            1. Does she seem like a danger to the girls around her?

            2. What effect do you think it would if have on her if you forced her through a male puberty and made her live as a man?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXpViPHnT3U

          • TheBBP

            You are way off the reservation here looking to promote your own agenda. This article has absolutely nothing to do with suicide rates or the treatment of hermaphrodites. It is about the inevitable exploitation of the gender-neutral agenda exploding in the faces of those driving the agenda.

          • Wakame

            I’m not here to promote an agenda but to defend trans people. This article promotes the idea that trans people are somehow dangerous and plays into the negative social attitudes that drive these kids to suicide.

            Nothing explodes when you let these kids be themselves. School carries on as normal, except that perhaps one pupil isn’t suicidal any more. That’s a good thing.

            I would really like to encourage you to approach these kids from a point of view of compassion and understanding, and perhaps to have the humility to admit that this is a complex medical problem that you are not an expert in. Take this as an opportunity to learn.

          • TheBBP

            You are indeed attempting to push an agenda because you have yet to acknowledge the topic raised in the article and the avenues and doors that are opened for exploitation with this precedent being set. Address the issue here in the article. Tell us how this agenda does not open itself to exploitation.

          • pastoredsmith

            Transgender people ARE dangerous to society! Just as one who chooses to rob a convenience store, so one who chooses to play act the part of the opposite gender is deviant. Pandering to these people by allowing their fantasy to be acted out is the most destructive behavior of all.

          • pastoredsmith

            The notion that a person is born with a male body and a female brain is completely wrong. A brain is the center of the will of the person, and the WILL of that person is the driving force, not some birth defect. To assert that a person who willfully chooses to become “transgender” or “other” sexually perverted lifestyle choices as being a “birth rite” is ludicrous. Nobody is born homosexual any more than one is born an adulterer or a murderer or a thief. These are CHOICES. Treatment is best accomplished by teaching the truth in love and in guiding the deviant person to Christ. He is the only place where the sinner can find forgiveness, healing and restoration.

          • Wakame

            You say that people are not born with a male body and a female mind. Just so I know – should I assume that you are not amenable to scientific evidence on that?

            By the way, you call it a sexual perversion. Are you really saying that a 3 year old child can be a sexual pervert?

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

          “The internet is serious business!”

  • Neiman

    Yes, that is always better than getting them the mental health care and spiritual guidance to escape their deep seated emotional illness, right?

    • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

      There’s no illness, there’s a mismatch between brain structures and body, transition fixes the problem.

      You cannot change someone’s gender identity, its been tried, with horrific, often fatal results.

      • Neiman

        That is the problem, human psychology is not science, it is more akin to voodoo. It has never and will never cure anybody of anything. Just look at alcoholics, even after taking the cure and getting psychological help, they are told they will always be, drinking or not, alcoholics by nature. That is not a cure, that is human folly.

        You know what these people need? To die! They need to drop dead! Yes, I said die, that makes you mad, huh?

        No, I do not mean physical death, they need to die spiritually to their old fallen, sinful nature and be born again in Christ, where He will put His Spirit in them and He will work in them a transforming of their minds and they will no longer be confused as to their gender. That is what salvation is all about, making sinful people into new creations spiritually, in their sharing the very life of Christ. When any such person comes to honestly admit their problem is sin and turn to Christ for His Salvation and healing, His record of cures is 100% without any horrific results, only fatal ones to their old sinful nature. But, while people like you refuse to admit it is sin and send such people to the Great Physician, they will die in their sins and suffer forever; that is the folly of human pride, they would rather condemn people to misery and hell, than get them to Christ to be healed.

        • Wakame

          Transgender people are not confused about their gender – you are confused about their gender. But don’t worry – there is a cure for your ignorance – it’s called “education”.

          • Neiman

            Just as I said, you would rather they suffer in this life and in eternity, rather than see them healed and saved. That is the awful, ugly, demonic spirit of this world. It is you that hate these people, you don’t want them healed and saved, I do.

          • Wakame

            Sorry, just to clarify, what was it that Jesus said about gender identity disorder? If you could quote verse and chapter, that would great – thanks.

          • Neiman

            http://www.gotquestions.org/transsexualism-gender-identity-disorder.html

            More than enough to satisfy you, even though you will reject it all.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            I think it was, judge not, lest ye be judged… 😉

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            When you talk about ugly, awful, evil I can’t help but think of Yahweh, the monster of the bible.

            You want people to deny who they are, so they can live in misery and agony, just because you don’t understand them, and you are terrified of them.

        • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

          Been there, done that, didn’t stick.

          I woke up from being born again, and you can too.

          You can’t change someone’s gender identity, any more than you can change their sexuality.

          • Danielmormon

            God’s grace can cover all sin and has given us Christ a our redeemer and helper.

      • pastoredsmith

        “Transition?” But, you don’t teach transition! You teach absolute acceptance of deviant lifestyle choices.
        Tell the truth, atheist.

      • Danielmormon

        With God all things are possible

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

    Looks like somebody’s desperate for a win!

  • Wakame

    The Bible has absolutely nothing to say about gender identity disorder, so it’s not a Christian issue. It’s a medical condition for which there is a very successful course of treatment available.

    • William Mazeo

      God made men and women. He made men to be men and women to be women. Old Testament God compares his relationship with his people as a husband and wife. New Testament the same thing but now Jesus as the husband and the church as the wife. And on both comparisons each “side” has their own positions in the relationship. A perfect way to keep a society in order and healthy. Anything that goes against this goes against what He created. And He talks about how things are going to be in the end so yes the Bible talks about this stuff too after all.

      • Wakame

        So who created intersex people? For example, people with androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS) who have XY chromonsomes, streak testicles but also vaginas?

        • William Mazeo

          These things happen due to sin. But Jesus is the solution.
          God has a plan to all these people. And His plan is to men be men and women be women. He has cure and salvation to everyone. He can change lives and restore them to be what they were created to be. All that is possible with Jesus. The solution is there, I prefer to focus on it rather than the problem. 🙂

          • Wakame

            So what’s Jesus’ plan for intersex people who are neither male or female or are both? Does he want them to be men or women?

            And I’m still not clear on who created them – God made men and women, so made the intersex people?

          • William Mazeo

            Read my post above again and again. But I recommend you to read the Bible. Ask God to open your eyes and heart to understand what is written there. Then you’ll understand what is going on.

          • Wakame

            I have read the Bible. It seems to have a lot to say about love and compassion, and yet, look at the mocking comments on this site – comments mocking people who have a medical condition that is so hard to live with that 41% attempt suicide.

            Who’s side would Jesus be on – those who mock, or those who want them to have the most effective treatment?

          • TheBBP

            Jesus isn’t against anything but sin. The nature of God is inherent in every living being. Abnormality or not, Jesus loves us all, but there is only one way to salvation and eternity with Him.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Actually even in your literalist heretical reading there’s at least one way into heaven without Jesus 😉

          • Wakame

            Well, as he doesn’t say anywhere that having medical treatment for gender identity disorder is a sin, I guess the trans people are OK.

          • William Mazeo

            As I said, read my post above: the solution is Jesus. He loves us all and has a plan for all of us. You can give them the best treatment ever, if you, me or them do not find Jesus we all will end in the same place. The solution is Jesus, nothing will make them have happiness if they don’t let Jesus get into their lives. It’s the same for all of us no matter the problems we have or how good we are, the only way is Jesus. That’s what you don’t get but I pray to God someday you will.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Sorry, but an inconsistent plan that fails to do the job, makes no rational or ethical sense, founded on a precept of infinite injustice, and that fails to save the vast majority of humanity through a lack of evidence and distribution of information is not a plan.

            Its a joke, a sick one.

          • pastoredsmith

            That’s just the point. Define “effective treatment?” Most these days define that as pandering to perversion, as in the case of allowing boys to play on a girls team and use locker / bathrooms as well. Jesus would clearly be on the side of the sick, but He would HEAL them, not pander to their sin.

          • Wakame

            It is easy to define “effective treatment”. It is simply the one that is effective in alleviating the condition. It’s called transition – it works really well.

          • pastoredsmith

            I like the idea of “transition.” I believe in it. That is, assuming a genuine transition is taking place that leads the person to a place where they accept God’s creation and not their own whimsical ideas about crossing genders. But, a transition that panders to the wild imagination of a deviant person that leaves them thinking they should just accept their deviancy as “normal” is no transition. It’s just a “staying in the same place” while trying to eliminate a guilty conscience.

          • Wakame

            Guilty conscience? Guilty of what? Having a birth defect?

            Transgender people don’t think they are “normal”. It’s not “normal” to be born with the disorder any more than it is “normal” to be born with a cleft palate.

            However, there is recognised and effective treatment for both conditions – both involve rather more surgery than praying but I am sure that prayers for the effectiveness of the surgery in either case would be welcome and appreciated.

            That is assuming that you are OK with surgery to correct a cleft palate?

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Talk about disingenuous…

            Trans identities are not whimsy, they are as real to transpeople as breathing, they can even be seen on brain scans.

            What do we have to be guilty of, we’re just being true to who we are.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            The treatment that allows the individual to live a well adjusted happy, productive life.

            Transition does that.

            So called reparative “therapy”, on its best day narrowly avoids driving its victim to suicide and still causes huge psychological trauma.

            Stop putting your transphobic hatred in the mouth of your god.

          • pastoredsmith

            I have no “transphobic hatred.” It is your philosophy that is hatred. You tell people they should “accept who they are,” while ignoring the fact that they “are not” born to be transgender or homosexual.
            And, I am not talking about “reparative therapy.” I’m talking about “repentant therapy,” as in coming clean before God and asking Him to cleanse their sinful heart. This is the only way for a homosexual or trans-whatever to find true healing.
            Perhaps you should you should stop lying to people by telling them they should just forget changing. That lie is killing this society.

          • pastoredsmith

            You misinterpret. You confuse “acceptance” of a deviant lifestyle with “mocking.” I will never accept homosexuality, fornication or adultery as “normal.” Yet, I work with people involved with these lifestyles on a very regular basis. I tell them the truth and try to help them find Christ. He is the only answer. Not “treatment” that reassures them of the lie that they were “born that way.”

          • Wakame

            OK – you don’t accept homosexuality, fornication or adultery as “normal”, but where do you stand on gender identity disorder?

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Been there.
            Done that.
            Woke up again.

            And I feel much better now.

            My morality was revolted by the evil done by your god, and I could not stomach it.

          • pastoredsmith

            There is no such thing as an “intersex” person. Sin perverted God’s plan for sexuality.

          • Wakame

            Are you saying that CAIS, Klinefelter’s syndrome, Turner’s Syndrome, Adrenal Hyperplasia etc don’t exist?

            Any why do you bring up sexuality again – your sexual orientation is a completely separate issue.

          • BarkingDawg

            “These things happen due to sin. “

            =======

            No, the true sin is having such a backward and willfully ignorant mindset such as yours.

            God gave you a brain. Use it. The world that he created is a lot more complex and sublime than is imagined in your narrow little head.

          • William Mazeo

            He created the world.
            Mankind fell and this brought all the bad things and problems we see now.
            Jesus died to restore it all.
            Simple. God’s grace is amazing, isn’t it? God bless you.

          • BarkingDawg

            So God is not perfect?

          • Neiman

            Why do you say that?

          • BarkingDawg

            Well it we “fell” it must be because he planned it that way.

            Satan, after all, is just another of his creations.

            —or—

            You can admit that biology and genetics have nothing to do with anyone’s “sin.”

          • Neiman

            Sorry, but you are wrong about your conclusions and your options.

            I don’t have the time right now to treat this fairly, but in short God is love and love is not love if forces the other person to return that love, that would demand God create robots, but that could never satisfy His loving Heart. So, He gave us free will and yes He knew that most would use that free will to reject His Love, but He also knew that among them would grow up a people that would respond to His Love and return His Love, a people that He would spend eternity blessing as the objects of His love. So, while he knew how it would turn out, He did not plan for anyone to reject Him, he allowed it for His own eternal purposes.

            It is like the farmer that plants a crop, he knows weeds will grow up among them and many other things would arise to choke out his crop; but he let them grow together so his crop could grow, knowing that later he would chop down the weeds and throw them into the fire to be burned, while he carefully harvested his crop.

            His plan was perfect, it worked out as He knew it would, while in His loving heart He is grieved that so many decided to reject Him and have to be thrown into the fire, He rejoices that so many wanted to be His children.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Nope, god is not love.

            Psychopaths are incapable of love.

            Hatred and abuse are all he’s capable of.

          • Neiman

            Why? Give us a reason why you think they way you do.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Its the ineffable plan…

          • BarkingDawg

            I also note that you presume to know the mind of God.

            How “special” of you.

          • William Mazeo

            When you decide to follow Jesus you need to know God more. And the knowledge about Him is what gets in conflict with the wrong things you do in your life and that’s why you change. It’s impossible to know everything about God, He is too much for us simple creations to understand. But He left all we needed to know in the Bible. Then yes… I work to learn and know the mind of God.
            “because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:16. You can’t be holy without learning and understanding God. May He bless you with an understanding about this, it’ll change your life.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Its fairy easy to know everything about your god, he’s a fairly minor canaanite mountain deity who got purloined by the proto-israelites during their genocidal activities during their early history in what is now known as Israel/Palestine.

          • James Grimes

            Excellent reply. Thank you.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Nope not really.

            We’re not the villains of the piece, we’re the victims of the sadistic, petty, genocidal monster.

          • William Mazeo

            Even thinking like that Jesus still loves you. He is with His arms open, ready to receive you. May God keep giving you chances of hearing about His love. Never forget: He cares about you, He does not give up of you no matter what you do or think. I pray to God you’ll remember this at least once every day of your life, in Jesus name, amen.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Can you point to any documented case of someone’s intersex condition being “healed”

            I’ll settle for any provable miracle like a documented case of healed amputated limb 😉

        • pastoredsmith

          They are distortions of God’s Creation. Sin did that to mankind, just as it caused other sicknesses and death. God’s Creation was perfect, but man’s sin distorted and mangled it.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Tree in the centre with rosy red fruit and a cunning talking serpent to convince the innocents… not so perfect… more like shoddy.

        • TheBBP

          You are talking about a mutation/retardation/abnormality.

    • James Grimes

      The Bible prohibits men from dressing and acting like a woman. So, the Bible has determined that it is wrong to misidentify one’s identity.

      • Wakame

        Men dressing as women is called “cross dressing” or “transvestism”. It’s a is a completely different thing to gender identity disorder which is a biological condition where a person is born with, for example, male genitalia but female brain structures..

        • TheBBP

          God creates a being with male genitalia, then you can bet that said being is meant to be a man.

          • Wakame

            Even if they have a womb?

          • TheBBP

            Mutations, retardation and abnormalities happen. There are no recorded cases in history where a hermaphrodite has functioning both male and female reproductive systems. Even in hermaphrodites there is a prevalent gender, meaning only one set of organs will be functional.

          • Wakame

            Yes, abnormalities happen. Gender identity disorder is one such abnormality and it needs to be dealt with. The treatment works very well.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Actually there are two pathways by which it can happen, one is chimerism, where you have the same body containing two distinct genomes, and the second where the testosterone mutagenic process affects only one of the two gametes.

    • pastoredsmith

      That’s lame and an outright lie. God made man and woman. God ordained that woman was created to be man’s “helper,” not his slave nor his master. Homosexuality, along with its first cousins, adultery and fornication have ruined this society; now perverts wish to “normalize” the perversion.
      Yes, this is totally an issue of forgiveness, not “transition” into a lifestyle that is perverted and “accepted.”

      • Wakame

        You are confused again. Sexual orientation and gender identity are two completely different things.In fact more trans women (29%) are attracted to other women than are attracted to men (21%). You see? Two completely different things.

        Some trans women (7%) are even asexual so they are not sexually attracted to anyone. How does that fir with your homosexuality argument?

  • Guest

    Why does Steve McConkey mention the homosexual population? Homosexuality is a completely different issue to gender identity disorder. Is he perhaps not very well educated on the subject?

    The
    homosexual population is less than two percent in the USA, but their
    influence is increasing at a rapid rate. – See more at:
    http://christiannews.net/2014/12/08/this-will-not-end-well-school-board-allows-transgender-males-to-play-on-girls-teams/#sthash.I2y5WSph.dpuf
    The
    homosexual population is less than two percent in the USA, but their
    influence is increasing at a rapid rate. – See more at:
    http://christiannews.net/2014/12/08/this-will-not-end-well-school-board-allows-transgender-males-to-play-on-girls-teams/#sthash.I2y5WSph.dpuf
    The
    homosexual population is less than two percent in the USA, but their
    influence is increasing at a rapid rate. – See more at:
    http://christiannews.net/2014/12/08/this-will-not-end-well-school-board-allows-transgender-males-to-play-on-girls-teams/#sthash.I2y5WSph.dpuf

    The homosexual population is less than two percent in the USA, but
    their influence is increasing at a rapid rate. – See more at:
    http://christiannews.net/2014/12/08/this-will-not-end-well-school-board-allows-transgender-males-to-play-on-girls-teams/#sthash.I2y5WSph.dpuf

    The homosexual population is less than two percent in the USA, but
    their influence is increasing at a rapid rate. – See more at:
    http://christiannews.net/2014/12/08/this-will-not-end-well-school-board-allows-transgender-males-to-play-on-girls-teams/#sthash.I2y5WSph.dpuf

    • James Grimes

      Steve McConkey’s opinion is to be respected – unless you are a Liberal and Atheist.

      • Wakame

        What – even if it’s based on ignorance?

        • James Grimes

          Liberal ignorance? We see that all the time.

          • Wakame

            I’m sure you do. But what about the particular example of ignorance that Mr McConkey has displayed.

  • Wakame

    Why does Steve McConkey mention homosexual people? Homosexuality is a completely different issue to gender identity disorder. Could it be that he is not very well educated on the subject?

  • Gary

    Boy who wants to be a girl: Coach, I really think I’m a girl, and I insist on being allowed to play on the girl’s basketball team.
    Coach: But you’re six feet six and weigh 320.
    Boy: Yeah, well, I’m a big girl.

  • keats5

    If this takes off, it will be the end of women’s sports.

    • 4everlife

      Sadly it will not be about men’s sports or women’s sports. This is the goal of the devil: to ruin the entire human race so that it will no longer be God’s creation. We are now entering “the days of Noah” moment by moment.

  • 4everlife

    Reading articles of this kind let us know that we believers in Jesus Christ must work harder to share His gospel to many as we can. The devil is up to the same old tricks again, using the Babylonian spirit to confuse the minds of the youth as well as the parents, sadly. Pray, believers, please pray.

    • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

      Except for of course your Jesus, if he ever existed, in the stories about him, both canonical and the extended cut, never mentioned, let alone condemned transgender people, despite there being transgender priestesses in Rome during his alleged lifetime.

      • pastoredsmith

        You claim to know a lot about Christ, atheist. That tells me that you really do believe in Him (or did at one time), and somehow got hurt, so now you turn your anger and hate towards God and His people.
        Your hatred for Christ will be your undoing. Let go of your hate before it consumes you. Right now, your hate makes you look totally foolish.

        • Wakame

          That’s all very well, Pastoredsmith, but you could dismiss her even more successfully if you can just point to the parts of the New Testament where Jesus talks about people with gender identity disorder and what should be done with them.

  • Carol Sakaguchi

    To me identifying as a girl when you have a male body is really no different than an anorexic who thinks they’re fat. These are psychological disorders. Why we have to change our whole society and social mores to bend over and accomodate these maladaptions make NO SENSE.

    • Neiman

      Excellent reasoning Carol, but the people behind this nonsense will never hear you.

    • Wakame

      That’s how it is to you, but how is it for people with gender identity disorder?

      Gender identity disorder is not psychological – it is physical. Trans girls have actual physical female brain structures. They also have anomalies on the androgen receptor gene and physical symptoms like female digit ratios.

    • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

      Except for of course that’s rejected by 150 years of science, and 10,000 years of cultural wisdom about gender variant identities.

      • Neiman

        Of course, science is by nature almost exclusively atheist and politically driven, not true science.

        • Wakame

          So why are you using an atheistic and politically driven science to post to this forum? Or is computer science true science?

        • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

          Its well known that reality has a liberal bias.

          Science isn’t atheist, it doesn’t care, it just comes up with explanations that remove any need for bronze age tribal blood gods.

          • Neiman

            If you want to be dishonest and play word games, there is no benefit to any further discussion.

            Science is dealt with by scientists, whom are virtually all atheists and to keep from losing their careers are virtually always politically driven in their conclusions. It is their analysis and conclusions that I question. I can see by your words that you are an atheist and so would defend your brethren.

          • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

            Scientists are not atheists because they have to be.

            They are atheists because there is no evidence for any god, in all the universe, let alone your minor polytheistic mountain god.

          • pastoredsmith

            I should have recognized you earlier, atheist. You are a fool, according to the Bible (Psalms 14:1); a jester largely to be ignored. Your fallacy about God has demonstrated that you have no capability for morals, since all morals come from God and you have no God in your life.
            Lying to people by telling them they should just accept things as they are instead of showing them the truth is despicable.
            Your hatred for God shines through loudly in your hatred for anything that God created.
            Don’t call Christians haters! It is you and your atheist friends who hate God and His people.
            I’ve never seen an “atheist hospital,” or an “atheist children’s home.” All atheists wish to do is demolish society with your narrow view that God doesn’t exist.
            Take your lies and go away. Nobody is listening to you here.

          • James Grimes

            Thank you, Pastor Ed, for calling her out. I found her to be a nuisance Atheist and was not going to respond to any of her numerous rants.

          • Doug L.

            … Just. No. Holy crap. That’s so ignorant of others and yourself it hurts. Not every atheist hates God. They literally just don’t believe. Simple as that. And there IS no evidence for God. There are theories, there is the Bible, which has been rewritten over so many times, it’s deluded with contradictions and odd stories that make no sense. There is no way to prove God’s existence to anyone. We also have several theories, such as Evolution, Big Bang theory, in which we are constantly finding more factors to expand it.

            This isn’t some end of the days bullcrap. No, this is just another step towards equal treatment for humankind, regardless of who they are. Transgender, whatever.

            Atheists all around the world, no matter how small they are compared to Christians, DO have morals. We are people, too. Our humanity is not defined by what we think we are created and formed by, it’s formed by what we live in. Who we love, who we care for, how we think. Who surrounds us, who hurts us, who cares for us. We live in a civilized society founded upon uniting together as one. Religion is just a part of our society, and so is a lack of one.

            The fact that you legitimately believe that, regardless of what the Bible tells you, shows that you are in fact, the ignorant one here. I know plenty of Christians who are fully accepting of others, their beliefs, their ideas, and even their lack of belief. If you can just remove the factor that you are Christian, (and same goes to extreme people of other religions, and even some of the atheists), we’d all live just a tad bit better with ourselves, and be kinder to each other. I know that won’t happen, this world is too overrun by hateful thoughts and wishings simply due to differences in beliefs.

          • pastoredsmith

            You blabber a lot and spout untruths. 1) All morals are based on Christianity. God started it. Mankind distorted it. If you have no God, you have no standard to judge anyone. Because you are human isn’t enough. You might think something is wrong and another atheist think it is right. Who wins? Who is right and who is wrong? Example: Murder is wrong, says atheist #1. Murder is acceptable in some cases, says atheist #2. Murder is not forbidden, says atheist #3. Without God, you just make it up as you go along, and who is to say you are wrong?

            As to your assertions that God is not real and there is no evidence, are you completely blind, deaf and have no grasp on reality? Just look around you. I’d bet you think all this just “happened.” Complete insanity.

            The Bible, the Holy Word of God, was preserved in spite of those who tried to destroy it. You have no proof that the Bible is incorrect. True and accurate science (that which was not falsified or slanted towards an agenda) always proves the Bible. Only a fool would think there is no God (Psalms 14:1).

            Your calling me ignorant is akin to calling an elephant a mouse. You say that I am not accepting of others; that is a bald faced lie. But, I don’t confuse “acceptance” with “pandering to sinful lifestyles” like you apparently do. Accepting someone means loving them enough to tell them the truth. You lie to them by telling them there is no God; by telling them that they can live any way they wish and have no morals like you have no basis for any morals and all is OK. You don’t tell them that they were created in the image of God; that God created man for woman and woman for man to love each other and complete each other.

            I do not hate…..I love as I am taught to love by God. Who taught you to love? Another atheist? A homosexual? A fool? Love comes from God, just like morals do. You cannot know love apart from God. All else is fleeting and changes with the wind.

            From your verbiage, you are offended that I believe in God. How can you be offended by someone you don’t believe in? The fact is that you do hate God. Just like other atheists do. You only hide behind the “Not every atheist hates God. They literally just don’t believe….” Yeah, right. When pigs fly. You hate God and you are lying to yourself and any others you spout your angst towards.

            Atheist, let go of your hate. It makes you look stupid.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Neiman, there actually are few respectable scientists left. The great scientists of the past – Newton, Leibnitz, Kepler, Faraday, Maxwell, etc – were all strong deists or Christians. Even the secular ones were reasonable however. Don’t throw these fine men out with the bathwater just because the majority of today’s scientists are actually faith-based absurdists, not true scientists. Good science is 100% compatible with a Creator God, because all truth is God’s truth. The problem is that there is so little good science floating around these days.

            For instance, Stephen Hawking once wrote that the universe created itself. (Should I have told you to put your Pepsi down before I wrote that? Do I owe you a new monitor? :-)) Then, several decades later, when he figured out the metaphysical absurdity of his hypothesis (my 5 year old figured that one out in just a few minutes – what took Stevie so long?!?), he amended his thesis to “a model of the universe created the universe.” How desperate to not believe, Stevie is!

            And this guy sells a TON of books – to gullible a-theistic worshippers of his! I guess Gruber was right! 🙂 And do I really need to include Carl Sagan’s (my former hero) famous and arrogantly absurdist quote?!? I actually believed that say-so assertion for several decades – yes, I did! Father, forgive me, I knew not what I was doing.

            Here is what modern-day a-theistic scientists have blind faith in, Neiman:

            1. The universe miraculously popped into existence out of nothing uncaused by anything.
            2. Life magically sprang forth from non-life when lightning hit some mud.
            3. Minds and morals evolved from molecules through monkeys.
            4. He is a she. (My English teaching Mom would have done a nice job explaining the grammatical absurdity of that one. It’s even more absurd if you translate it into French, due to the gender of the indefinite article. Try it sometime! Talk about gender confusion! :-))

            Are you finished laughing yet?!? What a religion the New A-theism is! There are many more fairy tales in the a-theist world, but you get the idea. As a former a-theist with lots of technical degrees and accomplishments, I can tell you firsthand that the reason most scientists are a-theistic nowadays is that they want to be their own little “gods.” Lots of them had bad relationships with their daddy, and the thought of having to be accountable to their Creator is just too much to handle. They want to be able to take a mistress, self-mutilate, and encourage lots of abortions – modern-day a-theists are big on baby sacrifice, something that a self-respectable a-theist of earlier times would cringe at. But, the biggest reason that one remains an a-theist is, as always, John 3:19-20. God bless you, Neiman – keep up the great work!

          • Neiman

            I know that most of the greatest scientists in history were believers and there are quite a few still today; I am speaking in terms of most scientists today, having their careers threatened by the politically correct Left, most scientists have surrendered to liberal orthodoxy, global warming and evolution come to mind, none of it based on science, but a political agenda. I know, I come from many years in the scientific community.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Awesome! Were you in engineering by any chance? It is more difficult for engineers, who are often designers by nature, to cling to the a-theistic religion than it is for pure scientists, who don’t actually have to produce stuff (besides articles or really dumb books). Nevertheless, I did my worst and hung in there, believing Sagan a lot longer than I should have. 🙁

          • Neiman

            I started off doing cobalt irradiation studies on animals at Stanford Research Institute – including post irradiation hematology work, then I worked at Standford Medical Center in a combination clinical medicine and research role, working in emergency, cardiac, respiratory and critical care medicine. I invented a new medical device – got a patent in my name, didn’t make much money though; and, I helped improve some other technology and procedures. I also lectured in Japan, the People’s Republic of China, other Asian countries, Northern Ireland and other places, in Japan I helped them design a new medical device, they took the credit and the money.

            So, my background is mostly in medical sciences. The doctors-professors and scientists were mostly atheists, some tried to be pure scientists, but you don’t buck the liberal orthodoxy and get anywhere, so most sold out.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Well-done, Neiman! It is always shocking to me that so many in the medical profession these days have all the evidence for design staring them in the face for their entire professions, yet remain a-theists or secularists. Like many pure scientists, the desire for autonomy (and to be their own “gods”) is strong. Yet, in some parts of the country, we are seeing more and more doctors come to faith in Christ. When they get enough time to actually examine the evidence, their medical skills come in quite handy – especially in dispelling any lunacy regarding the “swoon theory” of Jesus.

            But, really, Neiman: how dare you stack your “sorry” resume up against that of the typical young New A-theist: major in philosophy or feminist studies, participant in several Occupy movements, working part-time for the campus newspaper exposing the presence of the 3 conservative fundamentalists on campus, living in Mom’s basement, excelling at Love Plus, and taking advantage of the new “medicinal” marijuana laws?!? 🙂

          • pastoredsmith

            You are a fool (Psalms 14:1) and are largely to be ignored. Laughed at as a jester. “Liberal bias” in reality? Grow up. Reality is what it is. Reality. Plain and simple. God Created the Heavens and the Earth and placed mankind on it. He gave us a choice of serving Him or living in sin. Mankind chose sin.
            True and accurate science always proves the Bible to be true. Only falsified “science” where some person “tipped the scales” in order to force his agenda.
            As to your mockery of God and Christianity as being “bronze age tribal blood gods,” I don’t hear you atheists standing against Muslims. Cowards! You know they will chop your head off! You atheists couldn’t even be alive if you had been born in Iran! You should be thanking God that you live in America! God granted us this wonderful country so we could live in freedom the way God intended mankind to live. Yes you have a right not to believe in Him. But, that still makes you a fool (Psalms 14:1).

          • Mikey0

            Good smack down. Honestly, reality has a liberal bias? It’s beyond ridiculous. Delusional might fit.

    • Amanda Hunter

      your posting here shows that you know nothing about the subject at hand. please do a lot of research. also it is not a “psychological disorders”

  • BarkingDawg

    Careful people!

    If you clutch those pearls any tighter, the strand will break and the pearls will be all over the place.

  • James Grimes

    Here is an Atheist acting like a disgusting Atheist: “No, the true sin is having such a backward and willfully ignorant mindset such as yours. God gave you a brain. Use it. The world that he created is a lot more complex and sublime than is imagined in your narrow little head.”

    This is pretty pathetic. He (BarkingDawg) comes here to be a troll, to be disagreeable, and to be insulting. This is the best that he can do. He has proven over the last six months or so that he is not here for genuine discussion.

  • ladyinwaiting68

    Many of the posts that I read below cause me to fear for the future of the church. Is it any wonder that church attendance in the US is at an all time low? It is people like you who sadly represent a considerable portion of those who identity as Christian and who drive others from the church. I left organized religion as a teen and absented myself voluntarily for many years. I only returned when I found a church where the members actually live and breathe the teaching of Jesus which can be found in Matthew 25:31-46. Verse 31 begins with the words of the Savior “When the son of Man comes in his glory,” and ends thusly “And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life”. Jesus instructs us that in order to have eternal life, we have an obligation to help those less fortunate than ourselves. His words are “Just as you did not do it for the least of these, you did not do it for me”. You who show your disdain for all who are not just like you can read the words of Christ and decide where you shall spend eternity. Continue to hate and you will be condemned. Learn to love and you can still save yourselves. The right to judge others does not belong to you.

    • TheBBP

      The only way to eternity in Heaven is through Jesus. Nothing you do will get you there. Love for the less fortunate comes from a converted heart, not a requirement to eternal life with our Lord Jesus. That said, “Love” does not on any level mean acceptance of sin or a human agenda. You should be more than wary of any church or pastor that is teaching you otherwise.

      • ladyinwaiting68

        I will continue to care for the least among us. You can do as you please but you are not entitled to judge me or any one else. God will decide who is entitled to eternal life.

        • Neiman

          It is the obligation of Christians to defend God’s Word and oppose evil, that is not judging.

          • ladyinwaiting68

            The word of God? The “laws” relied upon by those who claim to be Christians in order to condemn others who are not like them, are not the word of God but rather the word of one man or another. Leviticus contains many laws in the words of Moses, most of which are not observed by Christians. These laws are not the commandments of God. The same is true of any laws contained in the Book of Deuteronomy, most of which are also ignored by most Christians. Which of these laws should we defend as Christians, then? Is it evil to ignore the laws of Moses?

          • Neiman

            You are terribly confused. For Christians, Jesus is the end of the Law, except the moral laws of God, which are all summed up in loving our brothers and sisters in Christ and love for the lost. If we love them, we will not steal from, not commit adultery, not murder, etc.

            Christians are not under the law but Grace. If truly converted, the Spirit in us will work His good works in our lives and we will by virtue of a new spirit within us, naturally, without any effort obey all the moral laws of God.

            You, by trying “to care for the least among us,” are adding works of the flesh to the Grace of God, you are trying to please God and secure salvation by your own efforts apart from Him, which is impossible. Our good works are as filthy rags before Him, He says none of us are good, no not one and all our works gain us nothing with Him. But, if we are born again of His Spirit and Jesus is living His life in and through us by His Spirit, these same things will be done in His love, with the goal of saving souls, bringing them to Christ. Otherwise, what good is it to feed and clothe their bodies and leave them lost and destined for hell?

          • ladyinwaiting68

            We agree then. Trans people and gay people are entitled to the same love from God as anyone else and they are the equals of everyone in Christ.

          • Frank

            Nobody is entitled to anything. And if they do not renounce their sexual sins in repentance, God says, they don’t get into eternal life. Which means completely turning from identification, practice, fighting mentally any thoughts of the sins and the like. There is only one Way. There are plenty of men and women that will lie to you and tell you different, but God’s Way is the only Way not man’s.

          • Wakame

            What has gender identity disorder got to do with sexual sins? Are you suggesting that a 3 year old child with the disorder is a sexual sinner?

            I think you are confusing gender identity disorder in children with erotic transvestism in grown men. Really two very different things.

          • TheBBP

            If the male child grows to love other men, regardless of who he identifies with, then that is indeed sin.

          • Wakame

            Well, only 21% of such children grow to love men – 29% grow to love women and 7% are asexual (not attracted to anyone). So I guess you would conclude that a lot of them are not sinners.

          • Mikey0

            And the other 43%?

          • Wakame

            A survey of roughly 3000 trans women showed that only 23% of them
            identified as heterosexual, with 31% as bisexual, 29% as lesbian, 7% as
            asexual, 7% as queer and 2% as “other”.

            So actually, that should have read 23% are attracted to men – 2% out – sorry.

          • Mikey0

            Never mind. You think you are normal or should be treated as such. That will never happen for many reasons. The mentally healthy can sympathize to a degree or pity the afflicted person but can never fully comprehend the confusion of a trans. Forcing them to deal with a person who is that out of touch with reality will only result in a push back.

          • Frank

            I am not confusing anything. It is you who are trying to justify certain sins based upon your attempted scenarios.

          • Wakame

            So you are saying that a 3 year old child screaming in distress at being forced to live as a boy, is exactly the same thing as a 50 year old man who gets aroused when he puts a bra on?

          • Frank

            The only thing I am saying is what I wrote. It is you who are trying to confuse the issue. What I wrote is straight forward. No pun intended, but the pun fits.

          • Wakame

            I see, so you think a 3 year old child is capable of sexual sins and should repent. OK, well I guess you’re entitled to your point of view, but it seems pretty harsh to me.

            Whatever happened to the idea of children being innocent?

          • Frank

            I haven’t said anything about 3 year olds one way or the other. It is you who are pulling in 3 year olds and trying to state what I have not said.

          • Neiman

            Yes God loves everyone, He gave His Son to show His Love for us. But, if my son whom I love unconditionally commits a crime, surely I will still love him, but that will not save him from paying the penalty. So God loves you, but if you are guilty of sin, He will just as surely demand in His Justice that you pay for your sins and that in hell, separated from Him forever.

            So does God love gays and transgendered people? Yes! But, if they do not agree that these things are sin and turn to Him for His Pardon and healing, by faith in Christ, His love will not rescue you from the penalty due your sins. That is why you are not equal to Christians, in the sense that while we too are sinners, we have accepted His Pardon, and His healing power in our lives.

            God wants to save your soul, He wants to deliver you from the penalty due your sins, He wants to heal your from your gender confusion and make you whole in Christ. But, you have to accept it on His Terms and that is by grace alone, by faith alone and that in Christ as your Savior and Lord alone.

          • ladyinwaiting68

            I see this must be the Gospel according to Neiman. You need to worry about your own soul. Where do you find support for the notion that it is a sin against Christ to be transgendered or gay? And since you are arrogant enough to conclude that I am either trans, gay or both because I love trans and gay people as God’s children, which of these do you conclude that I am? I can find room in my heart to love everyone, even you.

          • TheBBP

            No, that is the Gospel according to Jesus and the Bible. Nobody is saying that it is a sin to be transgendered, but it is absolutely a sin to be gay. You are treading a dangerous ground of heresy and should ditch whatever is teaching you these things. Check with the Bible, not with what your pastor is telling you.

          • ladyinwaiting68

            What support can you site for the notion that being gay is a sin?

          • TheBBP

            You mean besides 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 , Romans 1:26-27 , Genesis 19:1-13 and Leviticus 18:22, 20:13?

          • James Grimes

            Absolutely!

          • ladyinwaiting68

            I should have been more specific. Where in the Bible does Jesus say that it is a sin to be gay?

          • TheBBP

            And I was VERY specific… 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 , Romans 1:26-27 , Genesis 19:1-13 and Leviticus 18:22, 20:13. Or are you looking for text from Jesus directly? Do you forget that Jesus is part of a Holy Triumvirate that is absolutely one in the same as God? The Word of God is not a good enough answer for you?

          • ladyinwaiting68

            The words of Paul, not those of Jesus, are found in Corinthians and Romans. If you accept Mosaic law, you must accept all of it and obey all of it. Are you kosher? That is a real nice story in Genesis but nowhere in it does it say that it is a sin to be gay. Tell me where Jesus says that it is a sin to be gay.

          • TheBBP

            You are denying the words of Paul, Jesus’ Disciple. More importantly, you are denying the Word of God. If the scriptures that I provided for you do not offer you the proof, then you are simply choosing not to want the truth. You are spreading heretical teachings and that does indeed carry a heavy price. I pray that you will open your heart to ALL of God’s Word and that you will cease the cherry-picking that helps you justify sin to yourself.

          • ladyinwaiting68

            Paul is not quoting Jesus when he writes letters to the congregations at Corinth and Rome. His letters contain his own ideas about morality and they are not law. You can site no scripture quoting Christ to support your position as I did in my original comment. It is you who will pay the price because you fail to obey the command of Christ. We are all obligated to feed the hungry, provide water to the thirsty, clothe the naked, care for the sick and to visit the imprisoned. That is, we are obligated to care for and to love those who are the least among us. We are all sons and daughters of God. Like Jesus, we are all divine.

          • TheBBP

            Who do you think inspired the texts of the Bible. The Bible is the infallible Word of God, not a bunch of man-made opinions. Yeah, you get way more off by the post. Out of curiosity I looked at your posting history. It seems that you have a deep disdain for men and conservatives. Especially conservative males. Looking at your posts, you could probably call it a hatred.

            Who will you be praying to when you pray for me? Surely not the Christian God of the Bible. You don’t believe His infallible Word. You also think that we are divine like Jesus? You really believe that. Then there is really no sense in going back and forth with you.

            I appreciate that you have not been so full of disdain and hate as you appear in other comment sections, but I do not appreciate your attempts at spreading a false doctrine. I sincerely hope that nobody that you talk to buys into that shill.

          • Frank

            The Holy Spirit, which is Jesus’ Spirit, which is God wrote those letters which are Scripture, through Paul a mere vessel used to physically pen the Writings of God. Every single part of the Bible are the very words of Jesus, the same as the red-letter parts. Jesus is the Word.

          • Mikey0

            You will suffer greatly for your picking nits of His Word. A shame you do not know how to suffer in silence.

          • ladyinwaiting68

            Ditto, hypocrite.

          • James Grimes

            It is a sin to participate in gay behavior. It always has been and will always be. Liberals such as yourself cannot change that.

          • Neiman

            http://www.gotquestions.org/transsexualism-gender-identity-disorder.html

            What love is that? There is eros, which is sexual lust. There is Phileo, which is friendship or affection for people or things. There is Agape, which is the Love of God and only from God and only in and through His children, those born of His Spirit. So what love is it that you are talking about?

            Is it love the glosses over or ignores sin? That is not God’s Love! Is it love that tolerates just about everything? Again that is not God’s Love. If it is toleration of evil, that is itself evil. So, what love is it that you are talking about?

          • Wakame

            Just so you know, Neiman, I have looked at your link and replied very thoroughly but the reply has not been allowed – not yet anyway.

        • TheBBP

          I am indeed entitled to judge you for taking scripture out of context and trying to pass a false doctrine. You are right in that it is God who will judge who will go to Heaven, but He also left implicit direction on how eternity with Him is gained through His Word. None of which is through works. You are wrong in the notion that because we do not agree with the agenda that we do not care for the people.

          • ladyinwaiting68

            Anyone who thinks that I took the Words of Jesus out of context can read the Matthew for herself. It is quite clear. Thank you for revealing yourself.

          • James Grimes

            You took the words of Jesus out of context. You misinterpreted and misapplied Matthew 7:1, the verse most quoted by people who do not know what they are talking about.

          • ladyinwaiting68

            Actually, I site Matthew 25: 31-46. You should have followed the thread back to the source. Read my original comment. My friend maintains that conservatives are reactionaries. Maybe he is right.

          • James Grimes

            “but you are not entitled to judge me or any one else…” As I had said, you misinterpreted and misapplied Matthew 7:1, the verse most quoted by people who do not know their Bible.

          • Neiman

            Matthew 7:1 Like most people you do not understand this passage and take it out of context:

            “Judge not, that ye be not judged.
            This is not to be understood of any sort of judgment; not of judgment in the civil courts of judicature, by proper magistrates, which ought to be made and pass, according to the nature of the case; nor of judgment in the churches of Christ, where offenders are to be called to an account, examined, tried, and dealt with according to the rules of the Gospel; nor of every private judgment, which one man may make upon another, without any detriment to him; but of rash or hypocritical judgment, interpreting men’s words and deeds to the worst sense, and censuring them in a very severe manner; even passing sentence on them, with respect to their eternal state and
            condition.”

            You cannot discern spiritual truth without being born again and having His Spirit to guide you.

  • bowie1

    That would, in effect, make it a co-ed team.

  • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

    Sodom and Gomorrah brought right into the classrooms, now it’s allowed to flourish in the sporting realm…Christian parents….If you love your children…get them out of public school. Make the sacrifice, go above and beyond, throw away any and all selfishness and consider the lives of your precious children. There is an obvious attack on what is right and what is pure and the world is grooming children into confusion so when they become adults, the perversions that they were accustomed as youths will seem normal and part of everyday life when they become adults. If you love your children…homeschool them…no “buts”…no “maybes”…if you want to protest this evil, there is no need to picket or petition or to write your state representatives…simply pull them out and learn them yourself!

    • Wakame

      What if they are the ones with the transgender child?

      • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

        What if they…who is “they” may I ask?

        • Wakame

          The Christian parents – what if they are the ones with the transgender child? Where should they put her – public school or home school?

          • Mikey0

            Treat the child as you would any child with a mental condition which is causing pain. Seek help. Certainly don’t yield to it.

          • Wakame

            They do – the treatment works very well. Look up a brand new study called:

            “Young Adult Psychological Outcome After Puberty Suppression and Gender Reassignment”

            Which states:

            “After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved.
            Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological
            functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being”.

          • Mikey0

            Funny how you miss the entire point of the maturation process by allowing the temporary feelings of the child to dictate the reactions of the adults around him. Grow up.

          • Wakame

            The feelings are not temporary. One of the diagnostic criteria is that they are persistent and consistent throughout childhood. If the condition is not treated in childhood, the feelings remain consistent and persistent into adulthood – that is why you have people who transition even in their 80s.

          • Mikey0

            You miss the point. Never mind. You will always miss the point.

          • Wakame

            Your point was that the feelings are temporary – I didn’t miss it. You were mistaken – I merely pointed that out.

            Take it as an opportunity to learn something about a rare and complex medical condition. When you know what you are talking about, you will be in a position to comment on the best protocol for treatment.

  • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

    Of course if you actually understood the rule, its similar to the rules in inclusive professional sports. Contra-hormone therapy removes any potential advantages of muscle gain in transgender females who prior to said therapy may have due to testosterone.

  • Atsa4you

    I have an idea. Why can’t the LGBT group, form their own “league” with it’s own set of bylaws. They can decide amongst themselves if they are boys and girls, and not worry about “discrimination” among their ranks. Leave the kids who know whether they are boys or girls, alone and stop this ridiculousness. Thats not “hate mongering” Governor Dayton, its just the words of someone who is sick to death over all of this forced compliance with rules and guidelines that are destined to destroy and tear down a great sports program led by a coaltion of MSHSL “leaders” who are scared of their own shadows. This is not about SPORTS. its about radically changing our society to accommodate a very vocal minority. Let them play with each other.

    • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

      Separate but equal? I’ve heard that kant before, and no matter what you say, it doesn’t make your hate any less hateful.

      • Atsa4you

        Wrong ! I am a benefactor of having played many years (albeit, many years ago) at the varsity sports level in the MSHSL system, and it was wonderful. What they have instituted is impossible, simply impossible, and will only lead to an entire new code of rules and subset rules, that will ultimately be the demise of competitive boys and girls sports in the State of Minnesota. Perhaps that is the objective…destroy competitive sports and hand out participation ribbons. You really don’t know what you are talking about.

        • Wakame

          You do know that scientists have concluded that elite-level sprinting is virtually impossible in the absence of the ACTN3 protein, a “speed gene” most common among persons of West African descent that renders fast twitch muscle fibers fast.

          So do you think black people of West African heritage should be banned from sprint races? I mean otherwise, you destroy competitive sprinting. Maybe they should have their own league?

  • Greg Kelley

    even if there transgender there still male they still have more strength than most females let also allow roid users as well since you want to make it unfair to the young ladies

  • jennylynn

    It is sad to see that they make decisions based on someones emotions over scientific DNA. God does NOT make mistakes, emotions lie to you. The first place satan attacts is the mind that is why the Bible tells us to put on the helmet of salvation to protect the mind from satan’s lies. Apparantly the government agenda cares more about the one confused person than the 99.9 % of the rest. Something is definately wrong here! If these people have any sense they will pull all their girls off the team and protest. They need to know that emotions don’t dictate law and order. If there is no team than no one can play. I am not being unsympothetic for the one confused child. He needs help and obviously he isn’t going to get it from any so called proffesional, but he is confused. Lets not sugar coat it and bow down to political correctness and apathy.

  • jennylynn

    Basing decisions off of emotion rather than scientific DNA is dangerous. Where does the line stop? The first place satan attacks is the mind that is why the Bible says to put on the helmet of salvation to protect your mind from the lies the enemy puts there. If these parents are smart they will make a Stand and pull their kids off the team. If there are no players than the message will be loud and clear. Why should one person change a team over the 99.9 % of the other team mates? Emotions don’t dictate law and order, facts do. I am not trying to be unsympothetic to the transgenders, they need help and it is obvious the so called professionals are ill equipped and are progressing their agenda. If I feel the red light is green I will put all the drivers on the road in danger every time I go off my emotions on the road. God does Not make mistakes! Man does! If the world does not wake up and take heed they will lose their kids, country and liberties.

    • Wakame

      Yes, DNA matters. For example, trans women have been shown to have an anomaly on the NR3C4 androgen receptor gene which affects the way they develop sexually in the womb. That may be one of the reasons they are born with female brains.

      And the brain is the person.

      • jennylynn

        Can you back that up with facts and documented evidence.

        • Wakame

          Some of my posts are not getting through – maybe because of links. However, to find the particular study I was mentioning there just google:

          “Androgen receptor repeat length polymorphism associated with male-to-female transsexualism.”

      • Mikey0

        The brain is the person? Who are you, Sartre? Take a hike, weirdo.

        • Wakame

          Don’t you think it is better to debate politely?

  • Mikey0

    What parent would allow their teenage daughter to shower with a boy who is suffering from a mental disorder like transgenderism? The boy is ill. Symptoms include increased depression, drug abuse, thoughts of suicide. I would like to see what the numbers of actual boys who fit this transgendered definition AND want to play sports are. Like maybe one in every third school? Praying is always a good idea but a little action here would be in order, I believe.

    • BarkingDawg

      Do you really think that high school kids shower at school?

    • Wakame

      Gender identity disorder is not a mental disorder. That’s official. However, people with the condition can suffer depression, suicide and drug abuse as you point out. The reason this happens is because of the way society treats them – that means you – yes, you are the problem. Humans are social animals – what other humans think of them matters.

      Trans kids who are accepted by their families and included in their communities as the gender they identify with, do not have these problems.

      • Mikey0

        I looked it up and gender dysphoria is still classed as a mental disorder. Besides, what else could you call it? Normal? And placing the blame on others for how you feel is the mark of an immature mind. Being an adult means taking responsibility for one’s own actions. Try to understand that most of our country has no clue how to deal with a person who is afflicted with this ‘condition’ (is that better for you?) but forcing us to accept this by exposing our children to trans people in locker rooms and bathrooms is certainly NOT the way to gain understanding. Do you see that? No? Okay, then.

  • Carol Cantell Moorby

    So, these troubled and confused students with male genitals can go into a girls rest room, locker room and oogle the girls as they shower???? Sick confused people who,allow this are perverted and in need of much prayer. These students need to be delivered and only God can do that! that’s like pornography , don’t they have a clue???? You can rest assured that there will be bullying too. Parents must stand up to this before it spreads. Write editorials to local newspapers, sign petitions, run for school board to replace those who have ignorantly allowed this but most of all get the local churches to intercede in prayer . This decision must be reversed IMMEDIATELY….Call Jay Sekulow…..A lawyer who can advise you or even help

    • Wakame

      Trans girls do not “oogle” the girls in the showers any more than the other girls “oogle” each other. Most are absolutely mortified about their genitalia and will flatly refused to do anything where others might see what is between their legs. This is the thing you people just don;t get – these are teenage boys, fired up with testosterone, these are girls, just trying to fit it and feel normal.

      If you are one of those Christians who think that trans women are homosexual men, then I assume you would agree that they would not be oogling girls?

      There is bullying – it particularly happens when you try to force a trans girl to go into the male bathroom. And of course, the way you describe these children who have a recognised medical condition that is so difficult to live with that 41% of them attempt suicide, is bullying in itself. Where is your compassion?

      • Gary

        Are “transgender” boys sexually attracted to girls or to boys?

        • Wakame

          Assuming you actually mean transgender girls – ie children with male bodies but female minds, then, when they reach the age at which people become sexually attracted to each other, 29% become attracted to girls, 21% become attracted to males. 7% are asexual.

          • Mikey0

            You’re just making stuff up.

          • Wakame

            No, that is from a survey of 3000 trans women in the National Transgender Discrimination survey. Look it up – the information is freely available.

          • Mikey0

            What about the remainder?

      • Mikey0

        Do you think the bullying stops if the biological boys go into the girls’ locker room? You’re deluded if you do.

  • railhead

    This all started years ago when women started getting short haircuts and wearing pants (contrary to the Bible) (1 Cor. 11, Deut. 22:5)-and the men started wearing long hair and dressing effeminate (same passages). I’m sure there were men of God warning their congregations about this, and people laughing at them. I remember one sermon called “unisex” preached way before we got to this stage. The Bible is full of admonitions on keeping the gender roles clear and separate, but since our modern society thinks traditional roles are oppressive, and modern Christians think they are smarter than God, they dismiss all those portions of scripture as being “Paul’s preference” to appease the world. I’ve heard this many times with regards to 1 Cor. 11, and the passages which tell a wife to submit to her husband, a woman not to speak in church, etc.
    Well, congratulations, here we are, Christians.

    • Neiman

      Very good! Yes, you are right about those passages, all of them.

    • Wakame

      Deuteronomy 22 also states: “Make tassels on the four corners of the cloak you wear”. Do you obey that one? It also sates that a virgin who has been raped must marry her rapist – Deut 22:28 I don’t see you trying to get that one passed into law.

      • Mikey0

        If you believe in God’s Word, then turn to Him for your salvation.

      • railhead

        I’m not trying to get anything passed into law. We have quite enough laws already. The law of the Old Testament is perfect, and there is nothing in there I would disagree with. The ceremonial parts of God’s law were all specifically repealed by the New Testament.
        However, just to indulge a bit, Deut 22:28 would probably cut down on the number of rapes, because how many rapists want to pay 50 shekels of silver and marry the girl in the first place? In the Bible marriage is for life, so this pervert would be stuck with a woman that probably would not be too fond of him for the rest of his life. Remember the penalty for adultery is the death penalty, thus a man in this instance would be stuck with two choices–be married to a woman that hates you, or be stoned for adultery, because divorce is not an option anywhere in the Bible, and it even specifies that in this case. Sounds a lot worse than the revolving door down at the state penn with three hots and a cot for a few years.

        • Wakame

          Your compassion for the raped woman is inspiring, I mean do speak to some raped women – they will happily confirm that the thing they would most like to do would be to marry their rapist – they would certainly set aside all their own dreams and hopes in favour of spending every day of the rest of their lives with a violent abuser.

          By the way, you don’t have link to somewhere I can buy cape tassels do you?

          • railhead

            Your sarcasm is all very cute, but you asked and I answered. As I already pointed out, the ceremonial parts of God’s law were repealed in the New Testament.

            There are a lot of people in this world who have their hopes and dreams shattered by the way you and I live. If you shop at Walmart, you might as well be a slaveholder, because you are enabling the sweatshops around the world to continue operating, where people work ridiculous hours for pennies. A lot of people in this world live on less than a dollar a day, while we have computers, cars, soda pop, central air conditioning, etc.

            So you can’t really be too self-righteous, so long as you are typing on a computer somewhere, sorry.

            As far as the Bible is concerned, God is far more concerned about eternity than about the 80 or 90 years we will spend here. Compared to forever, the 80 years I will be here in the flesh is a nano-second. Yet, this is our only chance to believe on Jesus Christ for salvation. I hope you have believed, but if you have not please consider this:
            Rom 6:23
            For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
            God offers salvation to anyone who just believes on Him, as a free gift.

  • Wakame

    Has it occurred to any of you that the devil might be at work here? That it is he who caused these poor children to be born into the wrong bodies, and that the doctors who work so hard to release these desperately unhappy children from their torment are the ones doing God’s work?

    I mean, if by their fruit you will recognize them, it has to be pointed out that these doctors have now developed the treatment to such a stage that these suicidally depressed children end up as happy well adjusted individuals who live productive lives.

    • Mikey0

      The devil? That’s a good one. And maybe you haven’t seen the suicide stats for those who go through with the operations. Take another look. There is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. You’re living in a fantasy world.

      • Wakame

        Again you seem to accessing erroneous information. The best survey we have had looked at every case of reassignment in Sweden between 1960 and 2010 – that’s 767 trans people followed over a 50 year period and they found a regret rate of just over 2%

        Feel free to look it up.

        • Wakame

          In fact, here’s a direct link for you:

          http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-014-0300-8

          • Wakame

            Things are even better when it is treated in childhood. Look up a brand new study called:

            “Young Adult Psychological Outcome After Puberty Suppression and Gender Reassignment”

            Which states:

            “After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and
            psychological functioning had steadily improved.
            Well-being was similar to or better than
            same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in
            psychological
            functioning were positively correlated with
            postsurgical subjective well-being”.

          • Mikey0

            You’re wrong to assume that a child showing an interest in behavior traditionally associated with the opposite gender means that child is a trans and that any response – such as hormone therapy – is warranted. Freud referred to phases (as did Maslow, Montesorri, Piaget, etc) of child hood that includes such shifts in interests and behaviors. That is why the adults must be in charge and not allow the feelings of the child – usually quite temporary – to dictate any reactions. If you do not see this, you are simply being ignorant.

          • Wakame

            I do see that, which is why the diagnostic criteria so strict. Hormone therapy is only warranted in the few cases where it is clearly not a phase but is consistent and persistent throughout childhood.

            Please bear in mind in your replies, that these are a small group of children in a very desperate state – the suicide attempt rate for untreated trans people is 41%.

  • EdWalton

    The schools are so impotent can’t stop a twelve year old from buying pot; but they’ll delude themselves into believing they can stop a teenage boy with the opportunity to enter the girls locker room from lying.

  • Karen

    As a young girl growing up in the public school system here in Minnesota, it was uncomfortable for me having a lesbian physical education teacher in our locker rooms. I chose to adopt healthy boundaries in keeping my distance and to remain modest in her presence. She was a very poor role model for those of us who were raised as feminine young ladies by our parents, for she was masculine.
    So what will the locker rooms be like for our girls? Will they have their privacy respected, or will it become a free for all?
    I remember writing a Lutheran pastor who was a state senator at one time concerning homosexual marriage. He replied with an accusatory letter insinuating that I was a hateful homophobic person and that I had no cause for concern, for the Minnesota constitution defined marriage as “one woman/one man.”
    I am no longer a Lutheran of any kind now, but rather a Bible believing follower of Jesus instead. May our LORD protect our children.

  • James Crockett

    The ideology of liberalism is an ideology opposed to truth.

  • Mr Dave

    If boys think they are girls and girls think they are boys, these individuals need to do a reality check. This will take great wisdom on their part…so here goes. If one has a penis one is a male. If one has a vagina one is a female. Now look between your legs and check. Penis,male. Vagina, female. What did you find out?

  • Danielmormon

    In our culture there is a very clear rebellion against the social norms that God has given to us for our happiness and well being.God has created us male and female with obvious physical and emotional differences, that make the entire package function as it should when the two sexes come together.Satan would like to confuse the issue, muddy the water of our reasoning and derail the plan that God has instituted before the creation of our world in regards to marriage and sexual identity.These poor misguided souls who are confused as to their gender need compassion and grace but that doe not mean we should change our standards or compromise the truth.

  • Jazmine Perez Lmsw

    You Christian people sicken me! You religious freaks love to judge others as if your lives are in order. This article is complete hatred and I couldn’t get passed the first paragraph. You people are the reason why we will never have peace in this world because u think u know it all and think you’re better than others. Ignorance is so sad and this is why a lot of LGBT people are persecuted and murdered. Well i wish every single one of you have children and grandchildren that are LGBT. Because they came from your wombs you know! Let go of that fake cartoon man in the sky and be a realist about science and human development. IDIOTS! Not everything is black and white! We have people of varying degrees of color, height, weight, body types etc. You don’t think the same applies to sexual orientation and gender identity?! We are all different! Doesn’t your fake god tell you to love thy neighbor?! Stop judging others! Now what’s up with the Duggar family? Since all of you think you’re better….