Atheist Activist Group Threatens Lawsuit Over School Bible Distribution

Reading Bible pdCARTERSVILLE, Ga. — A prominent atheist activist organization has threatened to file a lawsuit against a Georgia school district if it allows a well-known Bible distribution ministry to continue to offer Bibles to public school students.

The Madison, Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation (FFRF) sent a letter on Friday to the superintendent of the Bartow County School System after Gideon International reportedly distributed Bibles at Cloverleaf Elementary School earlier this month. The organization asserts that the distribution is unconstitutional.

“We understand that teachers announced the Bible distribution and sorted their students into those wanting Bibles and others,” the letter, written by staff attorney Andrew Seidel, outlined. “In our complainant’s class, only one child (not our complainant’s) refused to take a Bible. …  The teacher then walked the students to the library, and, leading by example, took a bible from the adult male that set up shop in the public elementary school library.”

FFRF then asserted that the distribution was unlawful because it took place while school was in session, and because a teacher was involved. It stated that the practice makes students who do not want a copy of the Bible to feel ostracized and claimed that the sole student who declined was “teased.”

“As well as alienating non-Christian students, teachers, and members of the public whose religious beliefs are inconsistent with the message being promoted by the school, such bible distribution alienates the one in five Americans, and one in three young adults, who now identify as nonreligious,” the letter contended. “They are not only alienated, but pressured to violate their personal religious beliefs by the Gideons, their teacher, and their peers.”

Seidel then asked that teachers be instructed that such distribution is illegal, and that the principal of Cloverleaf Elementary School, as well as any teacher who divided the classroom would be reprimanded. The group threatened that it “will not write another letter but instead file a lawsuit” should another Bible distribution take place.

FFRF had written to the district two years ago to likewise object to a Bible distribution on campus, at which time they were told that “any future practice will be reviewed carefully” and “[n]o principal, teacher or any other school official will encourage a student in Bartow County School System to accept a Gideon Bible in the future.”

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The school district has not yet responded to media inquiries about the matter.

As previously reported, the first textbook used in the American colonies even before the nation’s founding, “The New England Primer,” was largely focused on the Scriptures, and was stated to be popular in colonial schools for at least one hundred years. It used mostly the King James Bible as reference, and spoke much about sin, salvation and proper behavior.

“In Adam’s fall, we sinned all,” it read, in teaching children the alphabet, using Adam as an example of the letter A.

In 1647, the Massachusetts Bay Colony passed “The Old Deluder Satan Act,” which required that children be taught to read so they could learn to read the Bible.

“In being one chief project of that old deluder, Satan, to keep men from the knowledge of the Scriptures, … and that learning may not be buried in the graves of our forefathers in Church and Commonwealth, the Lord assisting our endeavors, it is therefore ordered by this court and the authority thereof, that every township in this jurisdiction, after the Lord hath increased them to the number of fifty householders, shall then forthwith appoint one within their town to teach all such children as shall resort to him to write and read,” it read in part.


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  • what_would_ghengis_do

    If you cannot look at a cross or nativity scene without being “offended”, or be offered a Bible without feeling “alienated”, or hear a prayer without feeling “excluded”, then you are a bigot, plain and simple, and it is time for government to stop encouraging bigotry, and for schools and other organizations to stop caving in to it.

    • Neiman

      The Constitution does not protect anyone from being offended. Free Speech is designed for offensive speech, as inoffensive speech needs no protection.

  • pastoredsmith

    Here we go again. The bullies / thugs at FFRF wish to make atheist zones out of all public schools and do so by threats. It is my belief that they don’t have complainers at many of these places where they claim to. If schools are to truly be places of education and truly American public schools, they cannot deny the right for Bibles to be distributed by the Gideons. God knows that every other religion is represented and operates freely at public schools. This is purely an outright attack on Christianity. The cowards at FFRF would not dare stand up against a Muslim group handing out their materials at the school.

    • Ralph Spoilsport

      If schools are to truly be places of education and truly American public schools, they cannot deny the right for Bibles to be distributed by the Gideons.

      So dependably wrong, as usual.

      God knows that every other religion is represented and operates freely at public schools.

      Name one where a holy text of theirs is distributed in public schools during school hours.

      This is purely an outright attack on Christianity.

      Translation: waaaah!

      The cowards at FFRF would not dare stand up against a Muslim group handing out their materials at the school.

      Yes, they would. Now you’re just making up crap (i.e., lying).

      But I thought you said “God knows that every other religion is represented and operates freely at public schools”, which would mean there MUST be a public school handing out korans, right? So tell us where, and I’ll make sure to tell the FFRF, and we’ll see if you’re lying or not.

      • pastoredsmith

        Oh lookie! The know-it-all atheist who actually knows nothing is here spouting his misleading and anti-God messages again; ridiculing and accusing Christians when he has no basis for his own morality other than his twisted imagination. No surprises here. So, you do troll this site? Are you assigned here? Why are you here if you really are interested in spreading the teachings of atheism? Why do you find it entertaining to ridicule and mock God and His people? Oh, yes. You hate God. You especially hate Christians. You think that if you challenge Christians with lies and tell them long enough that some people will listen to you.

        You said, name one where a holy text of theirs is distributed in public schools….” OK. Atheism in practice is a great example. Yes, “religion free zones” mean exactly the same as “atheist zones.” When God is forbidden, atheism is all that is left. That is totally against the First Amendment.

        Yes, you attack Christianity. Name a single time FFRF has sued a Muslim for praying at public school. You are all cowards.

        You call me a liar when you know you are the one lying. After all, as an atheist, you have no basis or rules that equal morality. All morals began with God and He still has the only absolute truth and morality in the world. You say atheists are moral? Right. But, you will also have to admit that what is “moral” for one atheist is not necessarily “moral” for another. That is because you clowns make up morality as you go. Your “relative truth” is an example. If there is no God, there are no morals; only conjecture. But, why should you tell the truth? Why shouldn’t you lie your way into convincing others that you tell the truth and the Christian lies? You have no morals, only conjecture and imagination. You have no God to answer to (you think), so you have no problem obtaining your twisted objective no matter which dishonest method you must employ to get there. You would make an excellent politician. Say anything, do anything, lie, cheat, steal, hurt people….just so you can “win” the election, then do just the opposite when you get in office. Perhaps there are more politicians in office who are actually practicing atheists than most people think.

        The Bible says you are a fool (Psalms 14:1). That means that you are largely to be ignored. A jester. A clown. All you do is spout hot air. You really should give up your hatred for God and His people. That hatred makes you look like the bully you seem to wish the world to think you are.

        • Ralph Spoilsport II

          I don’t troll, I defend atheists against liars like yourself.

          You said, name one where a holy text of theirs is distributed in public schools….” OK. Atheism in practice is a great example.

          Nope. Boy, you’re military-grade stupid. What book advocating atheism is being distributed?

          When God is forbidden, atheism is all that is left.

          Which means, to chuckleheads like yourself, teaching 2+2=4 is teaching atheism, since gods aren’t mentioned.

          You call me a liar when you know you are the one lying. After all, as an atheist, you have no basis or rules that equal morality.

          I’ll just point out I’ve quoted something you’ve written that I’ve said is a lie — you’ve quoted nothing of mine that is a lie, just your usual vague, hysterical accusations. If you were talking, you’d be foaming at the mouth by now.

          • pastoredsmith

            No, you troll. And, you are the liar. You wouldn’t even know you are lying since you have no basis for morals.
            Stupid? I’m no fool. You are (Psalms 14:1). The “book” is the unwritten practice of throwing God out of public school. It is the baseless threats made by you and your ilk at FFRF that if someone even breathes “God,” you get offended and threaten to sue.
            You are so ignorant it is unfathomable. 2+2=4 has everything to do with God since He created it. When this country was founded, the Bible was the basis for most subjects in school. That was when public schools taught reading, writing and arithmetic. Now, they teach “how to be a good citizen” and live “religion neutral” (atheist in practice).
            Your hatred spews like a fountain for all to see. I truly pray that you will see the truth that there is a God, that He created you and that He loves you. If you would see the truth instead of living in the vat of lies that atheism teaches, you would find peace that passes understanding. You will never know peace as an atheist. You will always wonder when someone dies…..is there a God? And, you know the correct answer, you just blatantly choose to stubbornly live in the mire of sinfulness without God. No, I don’t foam at the mouth. You do that quite well enough for you, me and several other people. Give up your hate for God and His people. It makes you look ridiculous in light of the truth that the majority of Americans understand: namely, there IS a God, His name is Jehovah and His only Son is Jesus Christ.
            Give up your hate. It makes you look completely like the fool God says you are while denying His presence. (Psalms 14:1)

          • Ralph Spoilsport II

            No, you troll. And, you are the liar. You wouldn’t even know you are lying since you have no basis for morals.

            Ah, the tired lie of Christian supremacists, that atheists have no basis for morals. If you need a god to act morally, you have no morals yourself.

            Oh, and by the way, you STILL haven’t quoted me for any supposed “lies”, whereas I’ve quoted you lying.

            You can only bloviate.

          • pastoredsmith

            Tired lie? So, you do believe in God! He is the only basis for morals. If you declare you have morals, you must have a basis for it. The only thing you have is copied from God’s teaching on morality. There is NO morality apart from God.
            You lie again. You quote nothing that I said that is a lie. I do not lie. I have reason to tell the truth and you do not. Why should anyone believe your word over mine?
            With every word, you prove more and more why it is that God calls atheists “fools.” (Psalms 14:1).

          • Ralph Spoilsport II

            Tired lie? So, you do believe in God!

            No; apparently, you can’t follow English.

            He is the only basis for morals. If you declare you have morals, you must have a basis for it.

            Empathy and thinking.

            You lie again. You quote nothing that I said that is a lie. I do not lie.

            You lied right here:

            “The cowards at FFRF would not dare stand up against a Muslim group handing out their materials at the school.”

          • pastoredsmith

            Yes, I follow English very well. But, you lie. You don’t know the truth from a lie because you have no morals except those Christian morals you imitate.
            You didn’t address the issue. Typical atheist. Morals are from God. You have no basis for morals except your twisted minds that disagree one with the other. Not all atheists agree on too many things when it comes to morals.
            Not a lie. FFRF are cowards as are atheists. Hot air from a group of buffoons. (Fools – Psalms 14:1). Numbers if you please. Numbers of Christian attacks versus Muslim. You are cowards who hide behind fake names “Ralph Spoilsport II, for example.” You hide to prevent anyone from knowing who you really are and so you can flail anonymous, hideous and baseless accusations against Christians; similar to your threatening letters to kids at school. Atheists apparently love to steal candy from babies and convince people of lies.
            Want a lie you tell spelled out clearly? You say “there is no God.” The biggest lie of them all.

    • James Grimes

      ” The cowards at FFRF would not dare stand up against a Muslim group handing out their materials at the school.” Have they ever stood up to Islam?

    • John O’Brien

      So you would be ok with atheists handing out the God Delusion? Also I imagine the satanists would like to hand out material and I expect you will be 100% supportive.

      • pastoredsmith

        Welcome to America, atheist. If you were in Iran, they would murder you. That’s what they do to atheists there. To answer your question, yes, I’d be fine with anyone who wishes to distribute their material. Just as I’d be OK with another false religion “praying.” It won’t do them any good anyway.
        Atheism is the same as Communism. It’s all about control and silencing religion. You won’t win.

        • MountainDewFan4

          Wow … what a bunch or crap. You just stated above that you DO NOT want atheists to make the schools an Atheist free zone. But here you are stating that you would be “fine with anyone who wishes to distribute their material”. — Don’t you mean, anyone AS LONG AS THEY AREN’T ATHEISTS???? Because of course you have a major problem with us. Doesn’t that old book you read say something about loving thy neighbor? Or does it say love thy neighbor as long as they pray to the same invisible friend as you and as long as they are straight, and as long as they aren’t this, that or the other thing?

          • pastoredsmith

            You are a fool (Psalms 14:1). You misinterpret everything I said and twist it to fit your own screwed up agenda. I do have a major problem with you and your ilk! You are causing many people to be deprived of the privilege of learning about Christianity and other religions by shoving your religion down our throats.
            NO I DON”T WANT ATHEIST ZONES ANY MORE THAN I WANT MUSLIM ZONES!!!
            What do Communism and Atheism have in common? Both hate Christianity and spend most of their effort trying to silence it. Wonder why that is? The answer is simple. Christians have the truth. We can’t be silenced and the truth dispels the darkness of Atheism and Communism.
            But, this is America, and it is an AMERICAN IDEA to have freedom of religion. All religions are free to practice….in public schools, at government offices and wherever they wish. The real problem here is that you are jealous because you only wish you could bring your dark heart to believe the light of the truth of Christ.
            The only “invisible friend” in this thread is the darkness of atheism. The most hopeless religion on planet earth. The religion that offers no truth, only lies and mockery. Get a grip.

          • MountainDewFan4

            We are NOT shoving ANYTHING down your throats. You are free to learn about your religion AT YOUR CHURCH OR HOME.

            The PUBLIC school system is NOT A PLACE to teach religion of any kind, END OF STORY! The government of the United States of America can not favor one religion over another! By handing out Bibles and only Bibles, they are favoring Christianity over other religions. That is ILLEGAL!

            I do note hate Christianity or Christians. Many of my friends and family members are Christian, and I love them the same as my atheistic friends. However, I do hate those religious people who think that their religion is the ONLY one in the country and that they have rights that other people don’t. THAT IS NOT TRUE. All religions have the same rights (or at least they are supposed to!)

          • pastoredsmith

            But, you miss the entire premise of the First Amendment! It is not about “Freedom to worship,” it is about “Freedom of Religion.” That means you can PRACTICE your religion anywhere you wish. Nobody is required to “check their religion at the gate” no matter where they go.
            The only thing ILLEGAL here is your messed up mind. You, as a atheist have no basis for morals. All morals originated with God, not in the twisted mind of man. If a thing is OK for you, it is not likely OK for another atheist. That is a proven fact that you cannot deny. You cannot make up morals as you go along, so there is no basis for “morals” originated by an atheist. So, why shouldn’t you bully your way where you want to go, lying and cheating all along the way? After all, you would say that the end justifies the means and that is against any morals God teaches.
            Public School is not exempt from people who go there practicing their religion! It is NOT illegal for Christians to be Christians!!! It sounds to me like you wish to take America back to pre-USA days when people who were religious such as the Pilgrims and the Puritans had to flee their homeland in order to practice their religion. America was established especially for people who wish to live their lives the way they choose….just as God allows you to be an atheist, America gave us a choice and you idiots wish to destroy that! You will never succeed at removing Christianity from the public square, no matter how much you try!!!
            You lie. You do hate Christians!! Otherwise, you wouldn’t troll sites like this with all your other atheist buddies trying to intimidate Christians just like your buddies at the FFRF do with lawsuits. We will NOT be bullied by your idiocy!
            You love nobody but yourself if you are a “true” atheist, which I personally do not believe exists. When your last minutes on this earth get here, you will change your mind, no matter how strong you think you are now. You will regret all you did against God. And, if that doesn’t happen before you die, you can be assured it will afterwards!
            You know the truth of Christ and openly reject Him and His truth. That makes you a fool! (Psalms 14:1).
            You can hate me all you wish. But, your hatred for me is unfounded. I don’t hate you, but you admit you hate me because I understand that Christ is the ONLY way. All other religions are a LIE and steal from the Bible in order to create their own delusions. Atheists simply hate God and Christians. It is a proven fact, even though you liars deny it. Give up your hatred for God and His people! It really does make you look like a bully.

          • MountainDewFan4

            The first Amendment, in particular the Establishment clause has often been interpreted by the Courts of the United States to mean “… the Government, or anyone acting on behalf of the government may not show favoritism to one religion or non-religion over another religion or non-religion.”

            This means that the school system, a government arena, can not favor Christianity over any other religion. This is not my “messed up mind” … this is fact!

            As for morals. Yes in fact atheists CAN AND DO have morals. “moral: a lesson, especially one concerning what is right or prudent, that can be derived from a story, a piece of information, or an experience.” Atheists don’t simply read a book and copy their morals. They use experiences, society and life to develop morals.

            For your information, I don’t “troll” sites like this. Google News shows me stories which I may be interested in. Today it highlighted this story because it dealt with atheism. Upon reading the comments, I thought that I would add my insight.

            “We will NOT be bullied by your idiocy.” First of all, we are not bullying you. We are simply trying to make the government a SECULAR government as it should be. Secondly … you are losing! Numerous religious displays have already been removed throughout the country from schools, and other state buildings! Why isn’t your god stopping this? Hmmmm? Just a thought.

            “You love nobody but yourself if you are a “true” atheist.” – No this is not true. A “true” atheist simply believes that gods do not exist, and there are millions of these people in the U.S. right now!. Being an atheist does not mean that they can not love anyone. It is possible to love someone without believing in a god. I love my wife, and she loves me. Do you not love your wife because you love God?

            I can guarantee you that In my last breathes I WILL NOT change my mind and start praying to any gods .. I don’t believe in gods, why would I pray to them? That makes as much sense as me praying to Santa to bring me to the north pole after I die. When you are dying and praying to your god doesn’t seem to be working, will you start praying to Allah, or Zeus, or Ra, or any of the other gods you don’t believe in? Of course not.

            I do not hate you. I never said that I hate you. I only stated that I do not appreciate religion being displayed in public places. I’m sure you’re a great guy, who contributes greatly to his community and family. Why would I hate someone like that? I simply feel that religion of all kinds should be kept in churches and private houses. It should not be in schools, state buildings, or on our countries government issued money.

            Isn’t it ironic that you are saying that I Iook like a bully and you say things like “Give up your hatred for God and His people!”

            Again, I do not hate God. I simply do not believe that he exists. Do you hate Leprechauns or Unicorns or the Flying Spaghetti Monster??? Just because you do not think they exist doesn’t mean that you hate them.

          • pastoredsmith

            The Courts of the US have gone rogue. This new interpretation of the First Amendment has come about in very recent years and was never part of the original USA. The Bible was once used as the primary textbook in PUBLIC schools until mid 20th Century, and was changed largely thanks to your hero, Madelyn Murray O’Haire, the original atheist bully. As to practicing religion, just because someone is in business or works at a Public School or is in office does NOT prohibit their PRACTICE of religion, even if they mention it or talk about it publicly. The day that becomes the rule of law in this land, the US Constitution will fall. That will really put a hamper on your idiotic lawsuits then. All religion will be persecuted, and now that atheism has been declared a religion by the IRS (see your “mega atheist churches” for reference), you will be silenced just like the rest of us. But, nothing; not even a rogue government or lawsuits by the bullying atheists at FFRF or anywhere else for that matter can silence the truth. Christianity will live on because God is alive.

            Allowing employees, students and any other participants to freely practice their religion is not the government favoring one religion over another. It is simply ALLOWING people to practice what they believe. Favoritism by the government is best defined in this day and age as the government favoring atheism by creating “religion free zones” where Christians and others are silenced by legal means. It is Communistic. And, this is the largest single thing Communism and Atheism have in common. Both work very hard to force the silence of Christians because we tell the truth and you all know that the truth will set you free. Lies keep you in bondage.

            No, atheists have absolutely no basis for their “manmade” morals. You can’t build morals on “stories.” Who decides which story to use? Which atheist decides what is right and what is wrong? Which atheist divinely declares that it is wrong for one person to commit murder and another killer be justified in doing so? Which atheist says “thou shalt not steal?” Not one. God gave man all the above morals and all the others as well. There are no morals apart from absolute truth, and absolute truth can only be found in one place. God. You know well that there are no morals except for the ones you choose to adopt, and that is only one man’s opinion or the consensus of several people. Who left you idiots in charge anyway? No, you have no morals. You ridicule me and the God I serve. You ridicule His book. Yet, you steal from all the above only if it suits you in creating what you call “morals,” but you remove the “absolute” part, making them “relative.” That is NOT morals. It is opinion and conjecture.

            You say you don’t troll sites like this one. Then, why are you here? Oh, yes. Another atheist answered that question. Let me guess. You are trying to “enlighten” people about “fairy tales” and “Leprechauns” or “Unicorns” or maybe the “Flying Spaghetti Monster.” You do this by accusing Christians of lying, you make things up as you go along or copy talking points from the “minds” at the FFRF or some other atheist organization. But, the truth is that it is you doing the lying!! You apparently wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you. OK, I get it now. You don’t troll Christian sites. Yeah, right. When pigs fly. You see, I don’t hang out at atheist sites, so why are you here if you are not trolling? You are a troll and you lie. First you lie to yourself, then to everyone else. About many things.

            I’m not bullying you. I’m telling you the truth. If your house was on fire and you didn’t know it, it sounds to me like you would accuse me of bullying because I’d dare say such a thing. It is you who reject the truth. It is you who sue and try to force your way into your will for mankind. But, whether you believe it or not, the absolute truth is that the fire of hell is just as real without your consent or belief. You are offended by Christianity and anytime a Christian speaks publicly in your presence. But, I’d bet you are not that highly offended by other religions. At least that is the case with most atheists. No, you are the bully here. I’m not suing atheists. I’m not even trying to silence you. No, that other shoe is on your foot. Just look down, if you can see that far.

            You try to simplify atheism, but you fail. Atheists truly love nobody but themselves. It is an absolute moral that God loved man first and that man learned true love from God. You have no idea what true love is if you reject God. There is no such thing as a full-blown atheist. You know down in your heart that I’m right or you would not choose to argue with such lame arguments that have no basis in truth. If you want to speak intelligently, then start with truth and let go of the lies you cling to as if to your own hatred for Christians.

            You can “guarantee” me? Right. Have you ever died? Have you ever come close? I have. Twice. And, all that I believe in raced through my mind during those moments. No, you can guarantee nothing. But, I can guarantee you that you will ask the questions that you really want to right now. “Was I wrong? What if those Christians I hated all these years were really right and I was wrong? I don’t want to go to Hell…..” I pray you have time to repent, even if it is at the last possible second. But, nobody can give you the absolute guarantee you will have that opportunity. This is truth, not speculation.

            You do not hate me? Really? But, you do want to silence me, and you will go to any length to do so? You would sue me in a minute if I volunteered and was approved to put up a Nativity set on the Courthouse grounds. You would threaten me with a lawsuit if I were a public school teacher who dared mention that I don’t believe in evolution; rather that I believe God created the Heaven and the earth. You would sue me if I owned a business that refused to serve atheists. You call me a hatemonger because I tell the truth and preach the Gospel of Hope of Jesus Christ. Yes, you hate me. You hate the God I serve and you hate His Holy Word. This is just another example of your flawed “morals” in action. You lie and call it truth. The biggest lie you have told so far is that “there is no god.” This makes you a fool (Psalms 14:1).

            Yes you are a bully. No, it isn’t ironic at all that I would say “Give up your hatred for God and His people.” You hate us and lie about it. I tell the truth. I tell you the truth because I love you enough to tell you the truth. Your atheist buddies all lie to you. They tell you all the “talking points” you mention. Yes, I’ve heard them all before. The Bible was right when it said “there is nothing new under the sun.”

            You can spout that you don’t hate God all you would like. Simply not believing in Him does not get it done when you advocate forced coercion of Christians into silence by suing them, demanding they remain silent. No, you kill freedoms. You decide what will be mentioned in public and what is taboo. And you dare say you don’t hate God? Mocking God by comparing Him to false gods and idiots with fairy tale minds does not negate His existence. And, it is not about “just” refusing to believe in Him in the case of atheism. It’s about attempted coercion to force Christians into silence. See the numbers of lawsuits against Christians versus any other religion. It is Christians you people hate.

          • MountainDewFan4

            First of all, you do realize that it is currently 2014, right? All of the stuff you are saying about “the original USA” is irrelevant. Your original USA also allowed slavery, denied women the right to vote, etc. With time comes change, like it or not. The Courts in this country are finally starting to realize that not everyone is a white male Christian. Everyone should be treated equally.

            I never said that government officials can not practice their religions, but they can NOT show favoritism based on religion, and they can not attempt to teach their religious viewpoint to the students, whether they are Christian, Muslim or atheist. The government should be SECULAR (you might want to look up the definition of that word, it does not mean atheist.)

            No, I have never died … I have had near death experiences, and I have had close relatives die, some of them through long drawn out painful experiences. Not ONCE did I say, “Hmmm, maybe I should pray to a god I don’t believe in to make things better”. Why would I? I know that it will make no difference. Instead I chose to be with those people and help them through their troubling times.

            Again, I reiterate I do not hate you. If however, you were to do something ILLEGAL, I would assume that you would get properly punished for it. If that involves a lawsuit then that’s what should happen. I can only assume that you would also punish the priest that you love so dearly if you found out he was doing something illegal.

            I have not lied once in all of these posts. I firmly believe what I am saying. THERE IS NO GOD. I believe that 100%. It is not a lie to state an opinion. If you have proof of a god or goddess please let me know … heck let everyone know, I’m sure it will be major news all over the world. However, there is no proof, there is no evidence, there is only an old book of fables and some feelings that people have.
            Try this little experiment. Write down all of the reasons that you do not believe that Santa Claus exists. Then when you are done, change the words Santa Claus to “God”, and you will see how I feel.

            I have NEVER advocated that Christians or ANY religions stay silent! NEVER. All I am saying is that the PUBLIC SCHOOLS, and the STATE GOVERNMENTs should not be endorsing ANY religious beliefs. As a free American you can put a nativity scene in YOUR OWN front yard…. that’s FINE. You can put a 40 foot cross on the back of your RV and drive around town with a loud speaker yelling “God is Great”… that’s fine… Those are PRIVATE endorsements of religion.

            But … you can not give my child a religious text book in a PUBLIC school. That’s a governmental endorsement of a religion and that’s wrong … That’s all I’m saying.

          • pastoredsmith

            The US Constitution is most assuredly relevant. As to slavery, it was the compassion of Christians that got it overturned in England and here as well. Besides, not every person who calls themselves a Christian is indeed a Christian any more than living in a hole makes you holy. As to the accusations that somehow the Colonial period was somehow backwards, that is far from true in spite of their shortcomings. If you think things are better now than they were then overall, you live with your head in the sand. Freedom rang in the post Constitution era. And, ultimately, freedom rang for all people as the US matured and became a wonderful nation. Now, the government with the help of atheist and Communist thugs are trying to force Christians into silence. You cannot deny this because your bullying lawsuits and hundreds if not thousands of threatening letters to sue prove it fully. As to this being a racial issue, you are as mistaken here as you are about the existence of God. This has nothing to do with race. BTW. Christians who understand the Bible believe in one race. The human race. Everyone WAS treated equally under our government until vandals such as atheists began to dismantle it. The government cannot dictate to individuals right and wrong. It is not their job. If we allow the government to remove Christianity, they will then have the power to remove a lot more things we all agree are precious. Freedom is worth it. Coercion to silence is not freedom. It is bondage and is not an American nor a Christian principle. But, it seems to be an atheist principle.

            I don’t really care what you said because you lie. You have no reason to tell the truth. The truth, as I have already outlined it is that showing favoritism is defined by preferring one thing over another and ALLOWING someone to practice religion is not favoritism. Silencing teachers, students, government officials and anyone affiliated with them is not American government. It is Communist (and atheist).

            Your lack of understanding that God is real and true is tragic. You live in a world of fear that death is really final. You think you will return to the dust when you die. You really believe that you are out from under some imaginary bondage of the true God by rejecting Him; yet the truth is that you miss out on the best part of life. The PEACE that He gives because He is REAL whether you believe it or not. Gravity is real whether you believe in it or not….and if you jump off a building to prove gravity is not real, you will go out with a thud as you realize you were wrong. Death is the same way. My near death experience was due to heart problems. No, I didn’t have some “out of body” experience as some claim. It just caused me to reflect my life and be sure my priorities were in the right order. I once doubted there is a God myself. But, studying the origins of the universe with an open mind and comparing those scientists who try to prove there is no God versus atheist scientists…..I came to my own conclusions. All of this could never come into existence by itself. Nothing could not ever “create” anything. God is real.

            It is refreshing to hear you say that you do not hate me, but I have much trouble believing that. You advocate the harassment of Christians and anyone who dares express their religious beliefs at a public school or in government as though they are required to leave their faith at the gate; yet you think it is fine that these same places are becoming “atheist zones.” Be honest, if you can find the ability to do so. Atheism teaches “there is no god.” And, “religion free zones” are nothing less than “atheist friendly zones.” Running God out of the public won’t kill Him or make Him go away, but it will damage a lot of people who, because of the efforts of atheists will never have the OPPORTUNITY to find Christ. It is not showing favoritism by ALLOWING the free practice of religion.

            Yes, you have lied. It doesn’t matter that you believe “there is no god,” it does matter that this statement is not true. Refusing to believe that God is exactly who He says He is a choice; nobody forced you to come to that conclusion (not even God, and certainly not me.). If you wish to state your opinion, you are free to do that, even if it is wrong. Welcome to America; land of the free (at least for the time being). And, mocking the Bible by calling it “fables” only makes you look stupid in light of the truth in the Bible. It is ancient, but it is also accurate and you have no “proof” otherwise. BTW. Santa Claus was real. His name was St. Nicholas, and he was a true lover of God and people who cared about the poor. The “legends” are what was added. There are some “legends” about God out there as well that are just as ridiculous, but that does not mean the real God doesn’t exist.

            Again, I’ll repeat it. ALLOWING religious free speech at public school or government, etc. is NOT putting anyone’s stamp of approval on it. It is simply “FREEDOM OF RELIGION,” as the now neglected part of the First Amendment says clearly. Forbidding religious tee-shirts because the “might offend someone,” refusing to allow students to write about the birth of Jesus in an English composition class because “it is religious,” etc. etc. is forcing silence, and this has NOTHING to do with “endorsement of religion.” In fact, I am offended that I am not allowed to speak freely about Christ anywhere I want to in America because somebody will try to say the school, government office, or wherever I am would be endorsing my religion. But, if I pay for it doesn’t matter. FFRF still calls it “endorsement of religion.” That is a crock.

            The Bible has been distributed by a wonderful volunteer organization called the Gideons for generations. Now, all of a sudden, it is a bad thing. And, the country is paying the price for this attitude of rejection of Christianity. School shootings. Gangs. And a whole long list of other tragedies nationwide. It is CHRISTIANITY that teaches morals with an absolute “this is right and this is wrong.” Atheists have no such creed and strip morals from the public when Christians are forced into silence.

            In fact, if you will be honest, you had more freedoms before the current wave of atheistic reinterpretation of the First Amendment took place. You could distribute materials, but you put a stop to that for us all. You could talk about your religion to whomever you wanted, but you put a stop to that for us all. Your efforts to destroy our freedoms are not welcome.

            Again, I say, why don’t you let go of your hate. Admit it. You hate the God we serve and wish to silence us. You are fighting a futile battle because you can’t change the truth.

          • MountainDewFan4

            Let me start by stating once again, that Atheists are not trying to silence Christians, Muslims, or any other religious groups.
            You are free to practice your religions as you see fit in private buildings, churches, and even in public places. However a line must be drawn when it comes to the government. The United States of America was formed with a Separation of church and state so that the Rulers of the country could not impose their religion onto the citizens and so that the churches could not have control over the government.

            Believe it or not, the schools ARE PART of the government. Therefore, they need to be SECULAR. That means that they should not show favoritism to one religion or non-religion. I admit, as you implied above, that it does get difficult to decide if this or that is an endorsement of religion. However, some things are pretty obvious. Allowing Christian Bibles and ONLY Christian Bibles to be distrusted IS favoritism. Allowing books titled “There is No God” to be distributed IS ALSO favoritism. The only FAIR thing to do is either allow ALL religions to distribute material or allow NO religions to distribute material. How would you feel if your children brought home books about atheism, Satanism, Wiccan, etc. etc. etc ??

            “Your lack of understanding that God is real and true is tragic. ” – I don’t have a lack of understanding. I simply do not believe in him. I could say that your lack of understanding that Zeus is real is tragic, but I don’t. You are free to believe or not believe whatever you wish.

            “The Bible has been distributed by a wonderful volunteer organization called the Gideons for generations.” and that’s a great thing for them to do, as long as it’s not in a government building. If they stood outside of a church and handed Bibles to the children, that would be awesome. All of the religious kids would get free Bibles, and all of the people who don’t go to church wouldn’t have to be bothered by it. But instead they are trying to pass them out at schools. Believe it or not not everyone appreciates that.

            It is CHRISTIANITY that teaches morals with an absolute “this is right and this is wrong.” – Well I hate to tell you, but it isn’t working. 99.8% of people in jail are religious, and about 80% of them are Christian! Meanwhile, only 0.2% of inmates are atheists!!!! Even though almost 8% of the US population are atheists. Soooo. It would appear as though Atheists are significantly more moral than Christians!!! Go ahead, try to justify this … but no matter what you say the facts are there.

          • Taeka Chants

            Well said.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “That means you can PRACTICE your religion anywhere you wish.”

            No, it does not. There are restrictions on where, when, and how, people may express their faith. Just as there are restrictions on most every right that is included in the Bill of Rights.

            “Nobody is resquired to “check their religion at the gate” no matter where they go.”

            Correct. Nor is that being suggested. There are, however, restrictions on the expression of that religion.

            “All morals originated with God, not in the twisted mind of man.”

            While you are certainly free to believe that all morals originated with the god of the Bible, it is not true.

            “If a thing is OK for you, it is not likely OK for another atheist.”

            What would some examples of that be? If an atheist believes that it is wrong to take the life of another, then based upon your statement, no other atheist believes that. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that unless one believes in the god of the Bible, they have no basis for morals. That is not true.

            “Public School is not exempt from people who go there practicing their religion! It is NOT illegal for Christians to be Christians!!!”

            Agreed. There are, however, restrictions on the ways in which people of any religion are allowed to express their faith in public schools.

            “Puritans had to flee their homeland in order to practice their religion. America was established especially for people who wish to live their lives the way they choose”

            The Puritans not only practiced their religion, they punished anyone who did not practice their religion. The Puritan way of life was much more consistent with the practices of Muslim Nations than with the system in the US. By the way, the Puritans did not establish America.

            “America gave us a choice and you idiots wish to destroy that!”

            In what way is your freedom of choice to believe as you wish being destroyed?

            “And, if that doesn’t happen before you die, you can be assured it will afterwards!”

            While you are certainly free to believe that is true, you are not in a position to offer it as an assurance, as you do not know for sure. It is something you take on faith.

            “It sounds to me like you wish to take America back to pre-USA days when people who were religious such as the Pilgrims and the Puritans had to flee their homeland in order to practice their religion.”

            Please point to a time when people in America “had to flee their homeland in order to practice their religion”?

            “All other religions are a LIE and steal from the Bible in order to create their own delusions.”

            Since many religions existed prior to the contents of the Bible being written, your statement is false.

            “Atheists simply hate God and Christians. It is a proven fact”

            How is it proven that all atheists hate God and Christians?

    • MountainDewFan4

      NO YOU ARE WRONG! Atheists want to make all PUBLIC schools a RELIGION NEUTRAL ZONE! … No religions belong in schools. Not Christianity, not Muslim, and NOT ATHEISM. NO RELIGIONS.
      We don’t want the schools to hand out Bibles, but we also do not want them to hand out atheist literature either…. See, they shouldn’t be handing out ANYTHING that has to do with religion.

      You see the lack of religion as ATHEISM. Whereas the lack of religion is simply RELIGIOUSLY NEUTRAL which is what all government places should be!!

  • bowie1

    Too bad about that. But the declining student should also not be “teased”.

    • Peter Leh

      like anything… there is a way to do something and this is not it. Do it the right way and there is no trouble.

  • jcrosby35

    Pass out the Bibles and Let them sue. Lets see how far it gets them. Time to put and end to this I will sue you business every time Christians practice their rights.

  • Peter Leh

    “FFRF
    then asserted that the distribution was unlawful because it took place
    while school was in session, and because a teacher was involved. ”

    I dont think you can get the teachers involved during school time.

    pass them out on school grounds? fine. that includes all religious info (including satanism)

    but if the teachers are involved and it is during school time… the FFRF may have a point.

    • Sam Thompson

      So a teacher can’t accept one themselves.

      • Peter Leh

        i am sure a teacher can accept a bible too. they just can;t involved the students.

  • Gary

    FFRF seeks to stop ANYONE and EVERYONE that they can from any involvement in Christianity. If they could, they would make it illegal to exercise Christianity in public. They seek to deny Bibles to those students who want them. That is wrong, and they should be ignored. Or dealt with in a more appropriate manner.

    • Peter Leh

      the passing out of bibles is legal. it is just that there is a limit to how involved the staff can get. which is the contention of the ffrf.

      • Gary

        The staff should not discriminate against students based on whether they accept a free Bible. But other than that, school staff do not forfeit their first amendment rights when they come on government property.

        • Peter Leh

          again. apples and oranges. the government employee or property cannot the made into an agent to any particular religion.

          • Gary

            Really? Your religion, whatever it may be, goes with you wherever you go. Even to work. Atheists don’t come to work without their beliefs, you can be certain.

          • Neiman

            You are speaking the truth, but they will never hear you!

          • Peter Leh

            😉

          • Peter Leh

            yes it does. the federal employee then agrees when the contact is sign to certain parameters of behavior… otherwise the contract it not signed if it conflicts with the person’s conscience.
            All due respect Gary you are a trial lawyer’s dream 🙂

      • pastoredsmith

        No, the FFRF does not want Bibles distributed at all. They want to silence Christians because we cannot be controlled.

        • Peter Leh

          they can want all they wish to want. in this case they may have a point.

    • James Grimes

      The Atheists are “The Useless” all the time. There isn’t anything that they do that is good for the community.

    • Neiman

      They are working very hard to make the Christian faith illegal.

      • John O’Brien

        FFRF does not want to make christianity illegal they want it to be on the same level playing field as everything else and to no longer have the privilege it is not entitled to.

        • Neiman

          That is your opinion, it is not fact and it is certainly not reality.

          • MountainDewFan4

            No, John O’Brien is correct. Most atheists DO NOT want to make religion illegal or anything like that. We just want you to stop using tax payer money to endorse YOUR religion. Stop handing out Bibles in PUBLIC schools. Stop making it illegal to buy alcohol on Sundays, stop putting your religion message on our money, stop forcing my kids to hear “one nation under god” … etc, etc.,

          • Neiman

            You don’t want to make Christianity illegal, just make them stay silent outside their homes/churches and deny them their civil rights to influence our laws. I get it now!

          • MountainDewFan4

            I never said they have to be silent outside their homes. However, they should not be proselytizing in PUBLIC GOVERNMENT RUN arenas such as Public Schools, Town Halls, etc.

            You can wear a Tshirt that says “I Heart Jesus” to your local mall, that’s fine. You can erect a 40 foot cross on YOUR FRONT YARD, that’s fine. But you can not have the government pay for a Christian nativity scene on the lawn of the Town Hall.

        • pastoredsmith

          You lie, atheist. But, you have no reason to tell the truth since you people have no basis for morals since all morals come from God.
          You atheists and your ilk at FFRF are TRYING to silence Christians. You want “religion free zones” at school and government…..that is NOT a “level playing field,” as Atheism is now a bona fide religion….complete with “churches,” “clergy” and a real-live tax exemption from the IRS.
          What atheists want is their own religion as the dominant religion and to do as Communists do. Silence Christians because you know you cannot control us.

  • ma

    Just get out of America if you don’t believe in God. Get lost. Oh I forgot, they already are. Sick of em. Let em file a lawsuit.

    • John O’Brien

      This isn’t a theocracy, believing in your deity of choice is not a requirement to be in this country.

      • ma

        Neither is it an A theocracy which seems to be the goal. You don’t want separation of church and state, you want to stamp out religion; especially the Christian one.

        • MountainDewFan4

          Atheists want to make all PUBLIC schools a RELIGION NEUTRAL ZONE! … No religions belong in schools. Not Christianity, not Muslim, and NOT ATHEISM. NO RELIGIONS.
          We don’t want the schools to hand out Bibles, but we also do not want them to hand out atheist literature either…. See, they shouldn’t be handing out ANYTHING that has to do with religion.

    • MountainDewFan4

      “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; ”
      Perhaps it is you who should leave.

      There are, and can not be any laws which require someone to believe in any supreme beings to be a member of this country!!!!

  • Susan Moore

    If atheists want to be atheist’s let them and leave us Christians alone! If a person or child wants a Bible they should have one. If an atheist wants one we will give you one also.

    • MountainDewFan4

      If Christians want to be Christians, let them and leave us Atheists alone. If a person wants to send their child to a PUBLIC school, they should be able to do so without having someone indirectly trying to teach religion to them!!!!

  • Dolly E. Korsi-Thomason

    Those atheists are impinging on my rights too when they complain. You don’t like the Bibles being distributed? Then, shut up!!! We have rights too!

  • Gordon

    We should be suing The bullies / thugs at FFRF who wish to make atheist zones out of all public schools and threaten us. it is not against amendments for us to pass out free bibles, they pass out papers in school right? also, I am allowed to preach the word of God, as long as I don’t over do it or in other means become harassing or shoving it down your throat. The atheists preach more than we do, lets take a stand, Christians! and get for real. We should be suing them as well.

    • MountainDewFan4

      NO YOU ARE WRONG! Atheists want to make all PUBLIC schools a RELIGION NEUTRAL ZONE! … No religions belong in schools. Not Christianity, not Muslim, and NOT ATHEISM. NO RELIGIONS.
      We don’t want the schools to hand out Bibles, but we also do not want them to hand out atheist literature either…. See, they shouldn’t be handing out ANYTHING that has to do with religion.

      You see the lack of religion as ATHEISM. Whereas the lack of religion is simply RELIGIOUSLY NEUTRAL which is what all government places should be!!

      • Gordon

        No the thing is, is we need Jesus everyone needs Jesus Christ. that’s what will be Neutral or freedom. once we realize that we are missing that person they” are wasting there time trying to make it “Neutral” there is no such thing, and people want to kill over bad reasons. there is nothing more simple than Jesus Christ being the answer to all our problems.

        • MountainDewFan4

          Jesus Christ being the answer to all of our problems IS a simple answer. That is why a great deal of theists believe that. It is so hard to wrap ones head around all of the complicated scientific explanations, that just ignoring all of that and simply saying “Jesus” is the answer is sooooo much easier.

          Unfortunately, it is not true. There is no god, there is no Jesus, and as soon as you realize this you will understand that we have to start taking control of things ourselves.

  • GordonHide

    Nice to see so much of Christian teachings being followed on a Christian site. Yes, lots of truth, loving one’s enemy and turning the other cheek going on here.

  • Pluto Animus

    Duh! I’m a Christian.
    I’m too stupid to understand Separation of Church and State.
    Duh again!

    • http://www.washingtondcevangelists.com Washington DC Evangelists

      Duh! I’m a Atheist.
      I’m too stupid to understand the First Amendment.
      Duh again!

      • MountainDewFan4

        The First Amendment has often been interpreted for legal purposes as “the government of the United States shall not favor one religion or non-religion over another religion or non-religion.”

  • Labataille

    Is the author of the article advocating for a return to colonial style education? That is the only reason to defend the bible distribution in school. We have textbooks to help kids learn reading without using the bible now. It does not mean the bible is going away ( still a bestseller). We do not need to force it upon people in a public school. When I was in christian school, there were bibles in every classroom. That made sense ; every student had the same religion.

    • http://politicoid.us/ Kir (Politicoid)

      If the school were purchasing and distributing these bibles I would agree with you, but the fact of the matter is that they are not. Now, if the same school blocked distribution of other books such as the Bhagavad Gita, it would be a slam dunk case, but it is important to remember the core of what the first amendment is.

      Why is freedom of speech and freedom of the press together with freedom of religion? Did the authors just not want too many amendments? No. The first amendment, at its core, is about the free exchange of ideas. This includes religious ideas.

      • Labataille

        Exchange of ideas is great. Hopefully your optimistic view of this story is correct. (My experience tells me it certainly is not – the bibles were just being passed out – on school grounds, encouraged by the teacher. If there was some follow up exchange of ideas a la founding fathers’ style, then the bible might be discussed and the theological and humanist philosophical takes on the nature of man would be discussed. I do not see that being the case here. Simple proselytizing is all unfortunately.)

        • http://politicoid.us/ Kir (Politicoid)

          Well, right now I can only go by the information I have. Based on the article, it does not seem like the school was specifically pushing religion on these kids nor blocking other religions. I’d say that the kids could have just been told “grab one if you want one” but I think the free for all might have been a mess so it seems like their method of asking who wanted one or not was reasonable.

          And yes; a full discussion on the topic would have been great, but then again, I’m in support of having a dedicated home room teacher whose focus is coordinating the classes education program, integrating what they learned in other classes, and answering general questions. Such a person would need to have knowledge in administration, education, and philosophy.

  • http://www.washingtondcevangelists.com Washington DC Evangelists

    We must not teach our children that murder is wrong! That stealing is wrong! Or that they should honor their father and mother! Or to love their enemy, nor turn the other cheek!

    • MountainDewFan4

      Do you have ANY IDEA how many murders are in the Bible that God himself ordered??????? You think that is a good idea to teach kids? Rape, murder, slavery, incest…. what do they have in common … they are all endorsed by the Bible!

  • A_Nobody

    FFRF….shove it and leave if you don’t like it.

  • Dru James

    No organization should have the right to indoctrinate other peoples children into their religion period.

  • MountainDewFan4

    Hey, here’s an off the wall idea …. wait for it …. hand out Bibles … in CHURCHES! Hey, then everybody is happy. The religious people get Bibles for their kids, and the non religious people aren’t bothered by it!

    See, that’s why there is a “Separation” of Church and State. Don’t hand out Bibles in a State run building and the State won’t tell you what you can and can not do in your Church! Yay!