UK Christian School Shut Down for Having ‘Discriminatory Views’ Toward Other Faiths

SchoolDURHAM, UK — A Christian school in the UK is being shut down and another under scrutiny after investigators quizzed random students and found them to have “discriminatory views” toward others.

According to reports, last November, members of the Office for Standards in Education (OFSTED) visited Durham Free School for an inspection, and declared the educational institution to be substandard.

“Leaders are failing to prepare students for life in modern Britain,” said lead inspector Joan Hewitt. “Some students hold discriminatory views of other people who have different faiths, values or beliefs from themselves.”

One of the inspectors had reportedly asked one 12-year-old boy what a Muslim is, and the child responded by making references to terrorist activity. OFSTED saw this as being problematic.

As a result of the findings, Education Secretary Nicky Morgan announced that she was cutting funding to the school, which is now expected to shut down.

Grindon Hall Christian School had also been visited by OFSTED, and in addition to questioning children about their knowledge of other religions, investigators quizzed the youth about sexuality. Based on the children’s answers, the school was labeled as being intolerant and placed under further scrutiny.

“Several parents complained to me about what they saw as intrusive and deeply personal questioning of their children in the group sessions,” wrote Principal Chris Gray in a complaint to the organization. “It has been reported back to me that children aged 6- 9 were asked whether they knew anything about Diwali and whether they were familiar with the Torah.”

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“In addition, I have also heard reports of primary school children being asked if they knew of any boys or girls who thought they were in the ‘wrong body,’” he continued. “Another parent has complained to me in writing that her ten year old daughter was asked if she knew what lesbians did. Pupils were embarrassed and surprised to be asked questions about sexuality.”

Gray said that he thought perhaps the school was being purposefully targeted because it is Christian.

“It is now well known that the manner in which inspectors questioned our pupils in November was hostile, inappropriate and raises serious safeguarding issues,” he stated. “OFSTED’s approach to us was negative at every stage, as if the data collected had to fit a predetermined outcome.”

Simon Calvert of the Christian Institute made similar statements in light of the report out of Durham Free School and Grindon Hall Christian School.

“The government’s British values regime is twisting OFSTED’s priorities out of all proportion,” he commented to reporters. “Inspectors are asking all kinds of invasive questions and then issuing reports that the parents whose children attend the school don’t recognize.”

But OFSTED denies any wrongdoing in the matter, stating that it interviewed its investigators and found no impropriety.

“To date, we have found no evidence to indicate that inspectors failed to act with care and sensitivity and to ask age-appropriate questions when they spoke to pupils, as they are trained to do,” it said in a statement. “In reaching their conclusions about the effectiveness of the school’s work inspectors considered a wide range of evidence. Discussions with students formed just a part of the evidence.”

However, according to the BBC, Osfted also criticized the schools for not addressing what it called “prejudice-based bullying” and students who speak negatively about homosexuality and those of other faiths.

Durham Free School and Grindon Hall Christian School continue to disagree with how they are being characterized by the government organization. Students and supporters of Durham Free School have been launching various “save our school” efforts as they believe it is rather the government that is being discriminatory in its actions.

Photo: thedurhamfreeschool.org


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  • Gary

    Coming to a city near you. All beliefs are equal, except the belief that all beliefs are not equal. All choices are equal, unless you choose something the government doesn’t approve of. All behavior is equal, except behavior that the rulers disapprove of.

    • Richard Allen Lee

      well said Gary..

    • Bruce Morrow

      You hit the nail square on the head!

  • TheBBP

    I am saddened that none of this is shocking. The Word told us that this was coming. It just seems so unreal that it is happening and that so many people believe that it is justified.

  • http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/ JBenning

    @Gary: unless of course you are gay, muslim or an atheist. Those people don’t seem to have any real problems right now…………..notice I said “right now”. They will, soon enough.

  • bowie1

    I agree with the supporters that it is the government that is being discriminatory from what I gather from this article.

  • Fundisi

    Let us face facts, the real issue here is the Bible’s teachings on sexual immorality, specifically homosexuality. That is the driving force behind all western governments and school systems, homosexuality is the idol of liberalism, it is to be protected no matter the costs.

    The goal here is to silence the Christian faith, to make criminal the Christian faith, to force all Christians to submit to godless liberal orthodoxy or die.

    • Troy Walters

      Good points. In addition to what you said, Islam gets a free pass while Christianity is considered hateful. True Christianity is the least hateful thing in the world and Islam is the most hateful of all religions. People have been so deceived/blinded by the enemy but that is what happens when you want to live in sin and support things like homosexuality and so-called “gay marriage”/”marriage equality” and tout them as perfectly acceptable, etc. Things which by-the-way, Islam itself condemns and has harsh punishments for up to and including the death penalty. Why is this not an issue with those that take an issue with Christianity? Because only Christianity offers salvation while at the same time exposing man’s desperately sinful state and his subsequent need for a savior because of being a slave to sin and unable to save one’s self from the penalty of sin which is eternal death in hell. No other religion does this. God help us all and them too (the enemies of the cross), to see the error of their ways before it is too late. Amen.

      http://www.pinterest.com/pin/531565562243768252/

      • http://Wwww.appomattoxyoga.com/ Bagheeratwins

        Islam is not a religion. It’s a cult.

    • Bruce Morrow

      Yes indeed. Silence and persecute Christians is the real goal.

  • The Last Trump

    So, to be clear, a Christian school was investigated and it was, indeed, found to be teaching Christianity! WHAT!! Unbelievable! Pull the plug immediately! How long has this travesty been going on!?
    What nonsense. The liberal, leftist anti-Christian witch hunts continue their war against Almighty God and naïvely believe that they’re winning! Silly misguided liberals. You want God to prove Himself to you? Need a little attention, do you? Well, good news! I read the end of the Book. Your “attention” is coming. And soon. So enjoy your little “victories” while they last. Cause you have earned for yourselves God’s undivided attention. Methinks some fools need to learn to be careful what they wish for.

    • Spoob

      So typical. Unless it’s your brand of Christianity it’s “liberal” and “leftist” and “anti-Christian”. But take heart! The END TIMES are coming just like it says in the Jack Chick comic books and God’s gonna SMITE all the people who disagree with The Last Trump, even if they’re Christians who dare speak a differing opinion. Nothing like a good old fashioned paranoid revenge fantasy to stoke the flames of hate!

      • The Last Trump

        Spoobster! Still trolling this Christian website, confused one? And still on about “brands” of Christianity? Yes, you “Christians” who love to twist scripture to suit their sinful self interests do go on about brands, don’t you? And you found yet another Biblical topic to disagree with and dismiss! Shocker. There’s only one brand and one opinion that counts silly. God’s. And that can only be found in the Bible. No interpretations and no games necessary. But you already know that you charlatan, you! And what, no comment on the Christian school being shut down? Let me guess. You support the decision don’t you? Such a good “Christian”!

        • Spoob

          Yes, Trumpster. Still here. You haven’t made me go away, my hate radar doesn’t work that way. It just makes me zero in on your ridiculous posts more than ever before. Still sighing, ing, hee hee heeing, doing all your usual theatrics to win the crowd over with your winning personality, I see. What a shame you don’t have facts on your side, the one thing that would make it all worthwhile for you. Yes, I think most of us “confused” Christians learned from the Protestant Reformation about “brands,”, but not you, no sir, all you know is your own which is the one right from God’s mouth to your ear. God’s opinion is DOUBTLESS the same as yours, you are the one Christian who has God tuned in like a perfect radio.

          The school being shut down, oh yeah. Sure, it’s fantastic, there’s no room in the world for self-righteous Christian bigots. You’re going to find people don’t take kindly to the BRAND (yes, BRAND!!!) of Christian that likes to push other Christians around with their self-righteous BS. Bye now! Have a GREAT night!

          • Clare M Hiscock

            If that isn’t bigoted I don’t know what is. Christians
            it isn’t worth your powder and shot. Just pray and
            love him into the Kingdom. God love’s him anyway!

          • Spoob

            Why, Clare? Is there only one kind of Christianity, or are there several, and are they going to occasionally clash with one another? I take the latter position, and Trump takes the former. I know what I see with my own eyes.

        • Fundisi

          Don’t even bother with Spoob, he is a hater, he hates Christ and Christians, unless they are liberal and agree with the same evil that he defends. It is casting pearls before swine or casting meat before dogs as Jesus taught us, it always degenerates into vain disputations and we are warned to flee from such demon spirits.

          Keep telling the Truth!

          • Spoob

            It warms my heart to come here daily and read that there ARE sensible Christians who stand up to you and your hate masquerading as Christianity Fundie. It’s plain as the nose on your face that when you say “truth” you’re spouting poisonous garbage.

          • Fundisi

            Sensible Christians? You mean those apostate Christians that agree with your liberal, sexually immoral agenda and deny Christ? That is your definition of “sensible” Christians, people as condemned to hell as yourself.

            Yes, most people today calling themselves Christian are compromising their faith and giving way to the Devil in their lives. Increasingly they will side with the world and they, along with the Roman Church, are the Great Whore of Revelations, the Apostate Church and they will be made by God to drink the blood of their abominations.

            Yes, God tells us that at this time in history there will be a great falling away and then a most horrific pouring out of God’s Wrath and you and these fake Christians rather than then repent, will curse God all the way into hell. Great choice you folk are making, not.

          • Spoob

            No, I said SENSIBLE Christians, you know, the ones not screaming hatred in the faces of people they disagree with, demanding that they get their way, bearing false witness against Christians of other denominations, allowing gay and lesbian people to attend their worship services, not condemning others to hell as though they are God, etc.

            It’s so cute watching you trash the Catholic church, it’s like watching a chihuahua nipping at the heel of a dinosaur. Like it or not, you branched from the Catholic church. High time you recognized that.

          • Fundisi

            I never said I was against gays and lesbians attending church services, as I hope they will, repent, be healed of their homosexuality and get saved. I want all sinners to come to Church, I just don’t want the Church to compromise their faith to attract them there.

            Yes, I know, you would naturally feel at home with false Christians, as long as they are liberals and enemies of Christ like you are, you are right at home.

            I do not agree that I branched off the Roman Catholic Church, the seat of the False Prophet. But, even if that were true and it is not true at all, even a parent can become a vile, wicked person and be worthy of condemnation.

          • Spoob

            I am talking about homosexuals being accepted as they are with no desire or need to change, since they are not sick and there is no cure required. That IS real Christianity, remember Christ eating with the lepers? Did he irritate them by telling them they needed to change? Then why are you?

            You are clearly a fan of inflated and ridiculous language, people who are Christian who disagree with you aren’t enemies of Christ, they LOVE Christ. They are enemies of stupidity, hatred and bigotry.

            Catholics are Christians, they were the first ones. Historical fact. You don’t get to disagree. It’s like disagreeing with the fact that we breathe oxygen. It just makes you look ridiculous.

          • KenS

            Hello, Jesus said go and sin no more, that is asking them to change, you nitwit.

          • Spoob

            Homosexuality is not a sin, bigot. Read some science or better yet talk to some gay people.

          • The Last Trump

            Ahh, once again, the gospel according to Spoob! Spoob enjoys the carnal pleasure of gay relationships that the Bible calls an abomination. Which science confirms with a simple anatomy lesson. You see kids, male parts fit with female parts and then more people are born! Obvious design with purpose. But fools like this clown would have you believe not. Pleasure in all it’s twisted forms has become the God of this generation. Pleasure and self. Nevermind what the Bible has to say, eh Spoob? Anybody who brings up a simple scripture that plainly proves otherwise gets labelled a hateful bigot! What immature childishness. Gettin’ old, Spoob. Gettin’ old

          • Spoob

            Playin’ to the crowd again Trumpy? Next time you should get your white hood and sheet on, you know, for the full effect of what you’re REALLY saying.

            You know, it really IS possible for you to remain a Christian and to enjoy a nice fulfilling sexual relationship with your boyfriend. Wouldn’t that be a lot nicer than running around in secret?

            Thanks for the anatomy lesson. How silly of me. Of course, all the parts of the human body have one function and one function only. Which is why the male sexual organ is only used for peeing.

            Pleasure and self? Yes, of course, because homosexual couples don’t REALLY love each other, do they? How crazy. No, they just want to rebel against God and worry about their own self-gratification.

            This isn’t immature childishness, this is common sense. I shudder to think of the world you live in.

          • The Last Trump

            You are correct Spoob. Sinful behaviour is regularly concealed in the dark. Until it COMES OUT! Hello modern age! Gay PRIDE parade, anyone?
            Sadly, the world I live in today is your world Spoob. The one that is unrecognizable from its former, moral and civilized self. The one that now murders unborn children by the millions and considers moving the acceptable age limit of said child murder to the age of 4 years old! The one over run by sexual anarchy where traditional marriage and family is taboo and “whore” is a politically incorrect term. Sexual relations outside of the sanctity of marriage, bistraightgay, whatever, with whoever, and the more the merrier, is the norm. Sodom and Gomorrah would take one look at our world and blush. See a difference between our society and theirs Spoob?
            I could go on and on about the depravity, the violence and preoccupation with pleasure and sexuality but you just have to turn on your tv to know what I’m talking about. Any channel. Even Disney. So you tell me Spoob. What does the world look like when Christ returns, or have you “interpreted” those many passages to say NOT return? Have another read, my friend, and then take a look outside your window. He doesn’t return because we managed to get things right. Just the opposite. He returns to a world that hates God and the Bible and gleefully puts to death Christians that stand in the way of their good times! Sound familiar?
            I do hope you’ll take the time to honestly look around and question whether you really believe that things are getting better or worse. And then take another look at the Bible without an “interpretation” lens. Just do what it says, as it says, and you can’t go wrong! Good luck!

          • James Grimes

            The gays are out in force commenting on an article titled “UK Christian School Shut Down for Having ‘Discriminatory Views’ Toward Other Faiths” without actually saying anything about it. They must be sharing one brain.

          • James Grimes

            Do you think Spoob and Pax2u are a couple?

          • pax2u

            does that voice in your head make you a couple?

          • James Grimes

            “Homosexuality is not a sin, bigot.” Really? He must be reading from the Koran because the Bible says otherwise.

          • Spoob

            You must have a magic edition then since homosexuality wasn’t coined as a word until 1869. But by all means, continue to bully and hate and oppress.

          • James Grimes

            I know I’m lowering myself by responding, but here it is –

            arsenokoitai – GREEK, translation: homosexuals, sodomites
            as used in 1 Corinthians 6:9 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals…”
            So, you can stop pushing your crap now. No one here, except pax2u, really appreciates it.

          • Spoob

            Not so fast, Grimes. How can the translation be “homosexuals” OR “sodomites” when those are entirely different words with different meanings? Sodomy is practiced by a majority of straight people, not gay.

            Secondly, why don’t you see what the Religious Tolerance website has to say:

            http://www.religioustolerance.org/homarsen.htm

            At least you are addressing me directly rather than through one of your fundamentalist friends now.

          • James Grimes

            As I said, “I know I’m lowering myself by responding, but here it is-”
            Now you can learn something useful. Don’t embarrass yourself.

          • Spoob

            Translation: “I’m going to take every single bit of factual information you just gave me and totally ignore it like the obedient fundamentalist I am.”

          • The Last Trump

            “I’m going to take every single bit of factual information you just gave me and totally ignore it” Sounds like the mantra you live by when you are reading the Holy Bible. I think I see your problem.

          • Spoob

            No problem at my end. I live a happy and contented life free of persecution and hatred of others.

          • The Last Trump

            Except for actual Christians. Man, you are really going to enjoy the New World Order. For a season, anyway.

          • Spoob

            Well, except for people who THINK and FEEL THE NEED TO CALL THEMSELVES “actual Christians.” But you know, most of those people are so out of their minds, it’s best to let them continue to delude themselves.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Maybe he already has enjoyed the NWO, considering that it was a professional wrestling stable that included Hulk Hogan back in the 1990’s.

          • The Last Trump

            Still haven’t finished your Bible? See Daniel and Revelation. Then repost describing in detail the political scene depicted there, by none other than Jesus Christ. Apology accepted.

          • Spoob

            Why don’t you concentrate more on the Philistines in the gospels and less on Revelation? I can see revenge is a big thing for you, but maybe rein in a bit of the rage?

          • Spoob

            What’s that, Trumpy? ACTUAL Scotsmen, I mean Christians? Would you know one if you saw one?

          • The Last Trump

            “Sodomy is practiced by a majority of straight people, not gay” ?? Are you for real? What exactly did you think two men do in a homosexual relationship! Does “Spoob” actually mean “absolutely zero credibility” in another language? You’re unbelievable. Just keep spouting your deceit and foolishness. Your foolishness will drive people to actual Christianity in droves .

          • Spoob

            You know what Trumpy, I’m actually starting to feel a little bit sorry for you. In terms of a fundie’s interpretation of the Bible you might be straight A’s, but in the real world we live in you flunk. This is the reason I don’t think you’re even qualified to be having this conversation, since you know so little about homosexuality.

            First of all, NOT ALL GAY MEN engage in sodomy. SHOCK! SURPRISE! It’s true. I don’t mind waiting while you go verify that simple fact online, I don’t even care what references you’d care to use this time as long as Jack Chick isn’t involved.

            Secondly, half the gay population are women, correct? How often do you think a pair of women engage in sodomy?

            And finally, the thing you can’t quite absorb, is that yes, MANY straight couples engage in it. And since there are so many more straight PEOPLE in this world than gay people, we can deduce quite safely that more straight people engage in sodomy than gay people.

          • The Last Trump

            So, to review, because some straight couples engage in questionable practices for hedonistic pleasure that, too, constitute clear sexual perversion, homosexuality must stand! Hooo boy! Can’t argue with that logic!
            Don’t know ENOUGH about sin, I mean, homosexuality?! What would like me to know, Twister? That they claim to be born that way? That in their sexual confusion they equate sexual perversion with “love”? Gee, that sounds a lot like pedophilia too, now doesn’t it? Won’t be long til these folks are awarded with their very own special status and protection. I think “sexual orientation” would be a nice spin here too, eh? Shameful.
            Aww, and look! The lost and confused apostate “Christian” feels sorry for me for remaining a faithful fundie. How ironically sad for Spoob. 🙁

          • Spoob

            The point Trumpy, apart from the one on your head, is that when Grimes tries to tell me the Greek word “arsenokoitai” means either sodomites or homosexuals, I humbly suggest he”s talking out his rear end, since sodomy has now been demonstrated as an activity that more straight people than gay people take part in. Get it now? Care to tell me what’s being “twisted” by me in this message? I’d really love to know!

            Are you REALLY going to play the pedophilia game? Don’t you know what “consenting adults” means? A child cannot legally consent, therefore a sexual act between an adult and child would be an act of abuse, not love. And if you don’t know that homosexual adults are in love then there’s no hope for you at all. Not that I ever harbored too much doubt about that.

          • The Last Trump

            Ah, mere technicalities! That hasn’t stopped your kind thus far. You know, those pesky traditions and laws that have stood for generations during more civilized times. This alcoholic, drug addicted, “pleasure is God” generation is overturning these civilized laws and traditions at a truly phenomenal rate. Honestly, my hat is off to you folks. You have been busy, haven’t you! It’s ok though. This has happened before and it will change back once again. Always does. (Must be a good reason for that, hmm?…)

            Read your Bible, Spoob! I don’t want to give too much away but, like in all great productions, after evil has had its last big bash, the Author of the play appears, restores good to the world and takes a bow. Terrific ending! ….well, for some. 😉

          • James Grimes

            I guess with a background in Greek, I have no clue what I’m talking about. I wonder how many Greek classes Spoob has taken????

          • pax2u

            when you post to yourself, does that voice in your head answer back? does your voice in your head disagree? how many voices are there in your head?

            I pray that you seek mental health care

          • The Last Trump

            That can’t really be your defense for openly engaging in clear sexual perversion! That people in 1869 chose to call sexual behaviour clearly described in the Bible homosexuality is somehow, to your depraved mind, reason to support and engage in it! How foolhardy and utterly ridiculous childishness! Today your generation of selfish seekers of pleasure like to engage in word games and spin sin as something other than it is so that they might “enjoy” it with “good” conscience. Child murder is “pro choice” and sodomy is sexual “orientation” and “alternative lifestyle”! What nonsense! Try as you might, the Word of God convicts you twisters of scripture as the fools that you are. Annoying, isn’t it? 🙁

          • Spoob

            Well Trumpy, guess what? Mine is not the only opinion you’re doing battle with this time. This WONDERFUL website I’ve told you SO much about, which urges an end to HATRED, BULLYING and STUPIDITY from fundamentalist Christians to OTHER Christians, echoes pretty much exactly everything I’ve been saying:

            http://www.religioustolerance.org/homosexu.htm

            All your gum flapping about child murder and selfish pleasure and other things I didn’t even mention at all are going to have to be chalked up as ravings from you wildly disordered mind. Bye now!

          • The Last Trump

            I don’t do battle with opinions. I simply point to scripture like a good little Christian and let God do all the talking. I would never presume to know anything about anything. And I have no opinion. Sorry mate. But your problem is with God. Good news is He loves you. So say goodbye to your hate and bigot cards. You want to reject His love and welcome in instead His judgment, have at it fool. Me, I’ll accept the love, and undergo the CHANGE that His holiness demands in ALL OF US. Or we can all look forward to His judgment. But make no mistake, by His own admission, God most definitely judges and condemns. Fools like to forget this.

          • Spoob

            You point to scripture, completely manipulate it to bend it to what you want it to, and pee your pants when the rest of us point out to you that you might have it just a LITTLE bit wrong. That’s really what’s going on here Trumpy, let’s call a spade a spade.

            You can deflect this all you want, call me an enemy of God, say it’s God I really have the issue with, that my problem is with God. You know and I know and everyone knows that’s BS. You have taken a very good sound morally correct thing and turned it into an instrument of hate. If you want to be slave to that message that’s totally fine. I’m not playing that game however because it’s childish, stupid and irresponsible. Fools like to forget this.

          • The Last Trump

            You have me confused with YOU. I point out scripture, yes. YOU MANIPULATE. YOU BEND. YOU PEE YOUR PANTS WHEN THE REST OF US DON”T AGREE WITH YOUR BENDING. Spade is spade all right. Who’s always talking about interpretation? Exactly. Your games are getting old Spoobster! Keep trying!

          • Spoob

            Gee, Trumpy, that’s right up there with “I know you are but what am I?”

            A few deep breaths should do it…calm down….must save strength for hate…

          • The Last Trump

            Ooops! Sorry Spoobles. I typed that out in caps not because I was yelling, but because you’re clearly suffering from willful blindness. Always glad to help a fellow “Christian”. Love you, buddy! Don’t be a hater just cause God won’t let you engage in sexual immorality little buddy!

          • Spoob

            Sexual immorality, Trumpy? Oh, you mean allowing a human being to fall in love with another human being? Good lord Trumpy, what sort of depraved beast do you take me for?

            Kep preaching that Christian love!

          • Fundisi

            I Corinthians 6:
            “…9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.”

            a. Among all other sinners, God makes it clear that homosexuals will never gain heaven, unless they are washed in the blood of the Lamb, by repentance and have a new spiritual birth and are healed of their sinful homosexual desires..
            b. The Holy Spirit through Paul talks of some Christians, past tense, having been that way, but that they were healed and saved and that is what I desire for these precious souls, while you are lying them into hell..
            c. You deny God’s Word when you say homosexuality is not a sin, that they do not need repentance and healing. That makes you an instrument of the spirit of the anti-Christ. That means you hate homosexuals, because you would rather see them in hell than to be saved and healed of their homosexuality. You are the hater here, not me, as I seek their healing and salvation, not you.

            I am sick of you and your lies that only lead people into hell with yourself. There was no Roman Catholic Church, no Peter as Pope, the RCC did not come into existence until at least 350 years after the Resurrection. Protestantism came into being because the Roman Catholic Church was false, an instrument of Satan and true Christians fought and died for a right to live as true Christians, as in Apostolic times. A return to the only true Church which is the Body of Christ.

            Now get this straight, unless you repent and turn to God, on Judgment Day you will stand convicted before God for every soul you have led away from Him and into hell and your suffering will be beyond all imagination, as God will require just punishment for every soul you have lead astray by your lies. May God have mercy on you for your lies.

          • Spoob

            What translation are you using that they use the word “homosexuals” when it wasn’t even coined as an actual word until 1869?

            You’re asking nothing less than for homosexuals to become asexual. I don’t know what means you intend to use to see that happen, but I think practically every human rights organization on the planet would be all over you like white on rice if you tried it. Do you not realize yet that you can’t change your sexual orientation?

            WHAT IS WRONG with letting people fall in love, regardless of their orientation? How does it hurt anyone? And stop saying “But the Bible…” WE HAVE FAR MORE KNOWLEDGE NOW than when the Bible was written! Don’t you wonder why Jesus himself said absolutely nothing about it?

            You don’t, and can’t, heal what is not an illness and requires no cure. And the more you try the more inhumane you appear.

            I and many others here are sick of you. I suggest you stop pretending to be a Christian and leave this forum for once and for all. You are the reason so many people hate Christians.

          • Fundisi

            ” And stop saying “But the Bible…” WE HAVE FAR MORE KNOWLEDGE NOW than when the Bible was written!”

            You keep proving by such things that you are an atheist. If the Bible is not complete and perfect in every way, meeting every exigency of life and eternity, if there is the smallest error, then God cannot be God at all. You are thus denying the very existence of God – you are an atheist and certainly no Christian.

            “Don’t you wonder why Jesus himself said absolutely nothing about it?”

            More of your ignorance and proof you are no Christian. Jesus is the Word of God, the Living Word and He was directly involved, by His Spirit, in inspiring every word of the Bible. So, whenever we read the many condemnations of any sin in the Bible, including homosexuality, it was/is Jesus speaking.

            Of course you want me to stop, so you can use this forum to spread your atheism and lead souls into hell unopposed.

            Did you know that God says He hates people like you that condone sexual immorality? Jesus commended two churches in Revelations for hating those doctrines that approved of sexual immorality, which homosexuality surely is.

            Lastly, Jesus said we Christians should expect to be hated, as He is hated, as you hate Him. It is the price of discipleship.

          • Spoob

            The Bible gets things wrong occasionally. OK? Do you really need proof of that? Are bats birds? Is the earth flat? Are there talking snakes?

            It’s helpful to have an appreciation of things like metaphor and hyperbole when reading the Bible, unless you want to tell me that you’ve plucked your eye out or chopped a hand off when they caused you to sin.

            Same thing applies here. If you want to take from the Bible that sexual immorality is bad, then no one’s going to disagree. But people ARE going to disagree if you tell them that homosexuality, which we KNOW now not to be a sin and to be something no one can help, change, fix, cure, etc., IS a sin. It’s NOT, and it doesn’t make me an “atheist” for saying so. It makes me a REASONABLE HUMAN BEING. Unlike yourself.

            No, when Jesus is speaking, we are told Jesus is speaking. You can’t simply ascribe all the words of the Bible to Jesus, that is intellectually dishonest and I think MOST Christians would agree.

            You aren’t God. You don’t speak for God. It’s high time you stopped. And think more about what I said about leaving this forum, because I don’t believe you are mature or responsible enough to be taking part.

          • pax2u

            you must be getting to the self righteous “true” Christians, as they are telling each other not to respond to you, their hatred consumes their souls

          • The Last Trump

            Pax! Please tell me that what I’m reading isn’t true! Are you actually here SUPPORTING an apostate “Christian” who promotes behaviour your very own Bible condemns? Is Pax2u actually a supporter of the anti-Christian, God hating LGBT community, who aggressively targets and forces their intolerance of traditional marriage and family on faithful Christians?

            Oh, Pax! Say it isn’t so! Pax, please tell me that you aren’t actually witnessing here, before this Christian community and Almighty God, that you reject the definition of marriage as handed down by our Creator AND that you support the decision to close down this Christian school for remaining faithful to the Word of God!!?

            I hope that I’m mistaken, Pax. I really hope that I’m mistaken. Kidding around about worshipping the Pope and praying to Mary is one thing, but, please! Supporting sexual perversion TOO! Pax? Paaaax! 🙁

          • pax2u

            I support the teachings of the Catholic Church, I support the Traditional Marriage of one man and one woman, and that sexual relationships outside of the Traditional Marriage of one man and one woman is a sin.

            I do not condemn any person straight or homosexual as the self righteous “true” Christians do

          • ogail

            I am not surprise at this especially when you tell us that you are a “Catholic” I know that you defiantly know little about the word of God, but as a Christian we are to condemn sin in the strongest way possible and to avoid sin. this is what you are interpreting as “hate” to give the picture that Homosexuals are relevant in Christianity but if you still maintain your world view then you need a touch of God. Christian are supposed to condemn all forms of sin take example from John the Baptist, Paul etc. you cannot sit down and say ITS OK.. I WILL NOT CONDEMN etc. it mean you don’t know your calling. the word hate has been often misused ageist Christians by GAYS, we do not hate them but we hate what they are doing my friend. the bible says .. Come out of them; be separate…. and as the word of God says in revelation come out of her my people, i would like you to read the word of God and come to Christ.

          • pax2u

            and what is your denomination?

          • ogail

            I am none denominational I am a born again Christian.

          • pax2u

            as a Catholic yes I DO know the word of God, you judge my Christianity based on my faith, I forgive you and I am not surprised that you have no denominational doctrine

          • ogail

            No i do not judge you by saying that you do not have any problem with Homosexuality you deviate from the principle of God. this Must generate question to any christian to whether you know the word of God or not.

            secondly it is evidenced that most Catholics do not like reading the bible but rather other catholic books and teaching of the pope (or the church (roman catholic) ) if you are not in these category then praise the lord you are a unique catholic. I am not judging you in only expressing my observation based on your opinion.

          • pax2u

            I believe in the Traditional marriage of one man and one woman, do you?

            I believe that physical relations outside of the Traditional marriage is wrong and is a sin. do you?

            I believe that physical lust of anyone, straight or homosexual, outside of Traditional marriage is wrong and a sin, do your?

            If a person who has homosexual preferences but can control their lust and does not have physical relationships out side of the Traditional marriage that person is still my Christian brother or sister,

            is a straight person who has physical lust of another outside of the Traditional Marriage, or has physical relations outside of Traditional marriage acceptable to you? just because they are not homosexual

            I still believe that we should love the sinner and hate the sin, do you?

            as a preacher what denominational seminary did you attend?

          • ogail

            I do agree with you in all the points on sexual perversion. you are very correct on those points, notwithstanding that fact the we(you and me) should commit to letting people know the truth and turn away from sin in to chest life. this includes the homosexual turning away from those wicked act to the God’s ordained sexual purity. I think we are on the same page
            God Bless you. For give me if i misunderstood you

          • pax2u

            your statement that “most Catholics do not like reading the Bible” is a hateful lie spoken by ignorant and arrogant anti Catholics

          • ogail

            you properly would need to do a little research on the meaning of the word ‘hateful’. suppose i say that most Africans are ‘dark skinned’ would you call this hateful? you need to differentiate between logical facts and hateful word. this is where your problem lies. My father died a catholic, i went to catholic school when i was young, i studied catholic books (some, you have no idea of) you may be surprise that i know about catholic a little bit more than you think or even most catholic themselves when chance if given for me to present facts.

            given my exposure, i think i am presenting fact from a very informed background. make a test with yourself, how often do you read the bible? how many bible verses can you tell by heart? how many scriptures can you quote for a given topic on any christian teaching? just few questions( keep the answer for yourself). No matter what you think, during dark ages the pope banned publication of the bible and many believes who seek to live by the word of God were brutally killed by the church. Galileo was a victim of catholic teaching vs fact(read church history you will find out more about this).

            If you are willing to understand the truth i can quote for you a number of catholic writing that discourages reading of the bible including from Ecclesiastical letters of Pope. I know i am taking you too far but i would just like you to understand that i am presenting fact and hot hate as you supposed. these days the word hate is being used often to avoid facing the truth but lets stop childishness let face the truth. The bible says “you will know the truth and the truth will set you free”

          • Nolib Tards

            The Bible doesn’t claim the earth is flat or bats are birds. There is no talking snake in the Bible either. Serpent in this case is Satan. Clearly you know nothing about the Bible. It isn’t the Bible that is making mistakes, it is you.

          • Spoob

            Yes it does, and if you say orherwuse you are simply lying.

          • Nolib Tards

            Prove it.

          • Spoob

            Only flat items can have corners and ends:

            Isaiah 11:12

            12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and
            shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)

            Revelation 7:1

            1 And after these things I saw four angels standing
            on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)

            Job 38:13

            13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)

            Jeremiah 16:19

            19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)

            Daniel 4:11

            11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF
            ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)

            Bats are birds:

            Leviticus 11:13-19

            And these you shall detest among the birds; they shall not be eaten; they are detestable: the eagle, the bearded vulture, the black vulture, the kite, the falcon of any kind, every raven of any kind, the ostrich, the nighthawk, the sea gull, the hawk of any kind, the little owl, the cormorant, the short-eared owl, the barn owl, the tawny owl, the carrion vulture, the stork, the heron of any kind, the hoopoe, and the bat.

            I don’t really have to provide the verse with the talking serpent, do I?

          • Nolib Tards

            You passages are not meant to be taken literally. In Job It says he taketh the sphere of Earth and hang it upon nothing.

          • ogail

            My friend, why do you show your ignorance of the word of God to the Public like this. I know you are not a christian. you would have done yourself better if you ague from the perspective of an atheist of a philosopher.

            let me come to your aid any way. all the scriptures that you have quoted regarding the corners of the world are from prophetic books which requires a prophetic interpretation not your own interpretation. Daniel never know what God was showing him in prophesies till interpreted Dan 8:15. again, Daniel 7 talks about the beast and check Daniel 7:19. Jesus said some thing in mtt 13:11 could you check it out ( I think this is why you are in a mess. the “THEM” he is meaning non Christians). I am just tying to get you on board to understand that there is something called the prophetic language which you are taking literal to disproof the word of God. but you simply got it wrong man.. I will not help you beyond this. Just try something else. I would call is a west of time to respond to lev 11

          • Spoob

            Firstly, don’t call me “friend” if you intend to lecture or insult me.

            This is not ignorance of the word of God. If it were, there would not be entire Christian churches which are welcoming and supportive of the LGBT community, and I don’t have to tell you there are. If you want to call them wicked apostate churches, go ahead, but that would simply be your own ignorance talking.

            Respectfully, you do not know that I’m not a Christian. You do not know anything about me. Because I disagree with you does not make me any less of a Christian than yourself. It just means we disagree.

            Respectfully I don’t require your aid as I believe you are mistaken and I cannot support hatred.

          • The Last Trump

            “you do not know that I’m not a Christian. You do not know anything about me”

            It’s a little too late for that, Sboob-zebub. I warned you about giving you enough rope, didn’t I? But you just couldn’t keep yourself from explosive verbal diarrhea. Your Bible bashing, “Christianity is often wrong” tongue has given you away!

            And so, we now know with absolute certainty that you are the furthest thing from being a Christian and a complete waste of time and effort concerning any honest debate. Thank you for freeing up our time with this realization which can only be better served elsewhere.

          • Spoob

            TRUMPY! I didn’t expect to hear from you so soon, what with your promise that you were finished talking to me. Did the KKK rally end early? Did you get a gold star for being the best hater of the rally?

            Trumpy, let’s call it a night, huh? Put your jammies on and have a nice cup of KKKocoa and head off to bed like a good little neo-nazi, and leave the adult discussion to those of us responsible enough to handle such things without causing mass destruction of the human race. I think before doing so though you need to write “Hate is not a family value” on your bedroom wall 100 times, maybe it will eventually sink in.

          • The Last Trump

            Thaaaats right……just a little more rope…….there you go! 🙂
            (Oh and, commenting isn’t debate silly! Those interpretations of yours! You’re bound to get ONE right sometime, you would think? Keep at it Twisty.)
            Sorry to interrupt your hate sharing session and Christian bashing time. As you were. I know how very busy you are here. So many Christians to “convert”. Just don’t get too comfortable. I’ll be back. 🙂
            Nite “Christian”!

          • Spoob

            Keep trumpeting the stupidity, Trumpy. No one cares. A little more ROPE? For ME? Now, I KNOW how fond you are of ropes and lynchings and cross burnings and things like that, but let’s keep things in perspective, shall we? You did get one thing right. I am VERY fond of bashing Christians, but only the ones of the supremacist variety. You’re the ones who sing that great hymn, “They’ll Know We Are Christians By Our HATE”. I’m not going away, Trumpy. If I see you doling out your poison, I’m going to call you on it. See you around.

          • The Last Trump

            🙂 ….a little bit more…..
            Call me on what, Apostate? That the scriptures I post CAN be found in actual Bibles? Have at it Spinster! How I do love to embarrass you. Too easy!
            Hey, Spoobs! How does a man LIE WITH A WOMAN in a way that he SHOULDN’T DO WITH ANOTHER MAN? Ooooooo….that’s a hard one, eh? Don’t worry, little buddy. Just skip it. I’m sure it’s not important. (yikes!)
            ….gee, I wonder if he’s dumb enough to take the bait….. 🙂

          • Spoob

            Well, I can’t dumb it down too much more Mr. Hitler, but basically if there is any book that you are basing your faith on and it tells you that an entire class of human beings are an abomination who should be put to death, and you take that advice to heart rather than denounce it as murderous hateful garbage, you have forfeited your right to be considered a valid human being. There is a reasonable way to read these things, there ARE such things as metaphor and hyperbole and exaggeration and so forth, but if you’re going to say those things don’t exist, I must return to my original question about why you haven’t cut off your hand or plucked out your eye when they caused you to sin. See, Trumpy, you can’t have it both ways, which is what you’re trying to do. To be the perfect hypocritical fundie lunatic. Once you work out that recipe, be sure to let us all know. Dying to hear it.

          • The Last Trump

            Yup. He’s dumb enough. 🙂
            My, my, my! It’s really important for you liberal, leftist, “Christian” wolves in sheep’s clothing to have the final say, isn’t it? All right, desperate one. If having the last word is what you’re all about it’s all yours. Knock yourself out.
            (More rope, Apostate?)

          • Spoob

            Rope? Oh, no thank you Mr. Grand Wizard, I think you know you’d be lost without it. Do please tell me who you plan on stringing up next who doesn’t abide by your Bible rules. All that matters is killing and hate, right, Mr. conservative fascist “Christian”? Let’s hear it, Himmler, who’s next on your hit parade?

          • The Last Trump

            Wow. So much hate! Does the last word for you always have to be so hateful? What is wrong with you and “your” kind? I’m afraid your “brand” of “Christianity” won’t see many converts. No room for love. Shameful. 🙁

          • Spoob

            Which one of is is showing love to homosexuals and which of us is showing the hate?

          • The Last Trump

            Fantastic question. We, the Christian community, love homosexuals enough to be straight with them (pun intended 🙂 about the consequences of said lifestyle. We offer them support and direction as found in the Word of God without twisting and interpreting into perversion what was meant for good. We even spend ridiculous amounts of time conversing with the likes of you in the hopes that you would simply take your case to God and ASK HIM for direction in this matter.
            And you hate.
            Well, there you have it. Thanks for the question. Let me know if I can be any further help in clearing up all of your unnecessary confusion thanks to “interpretations”. You’re welcome.

          • Spoob

            Yep, you love homosexuals SO much that you threaten them, judge them, damn them, mess them up with “conversion” therapies which are little more than recommendations of abstinence, and basically castrate them by insisting that they live loveless and sexless lives. Really sweet of you. And all this in the name of “saving” them in the name of a rigid and restrictive brand of “Christian” fundamentalism which Jesus himself would find so utterly heartless and repugnant that he’d be horrified it was being done in His name. And you wonder why the whole world hates fundamentalists so much.

          • ogail

            your are still a friend because i have only one enemy called the devil: however i am sorry i hurt you by referring to you as ignorant which i didn’t mean to insult you or belittle you. i was only expressing the fact that you have very little knowledge of the word of God. I do respect your oppinion but where you are wrong i need to point it out. that what is love is right?

            Having entire church condoning sin is not a surprise to for i know they are there and the prophesy of the bible also say time will come when this will happen and since we are in the end time its not a surprise however that does not mean an endorsement from God. Do you know that Jesus said Matthew 7:21 “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.”

            Don’t be surprise with this worst is yet to come. in the old testament Eli’s children committed sexual immorality in the church but it was not an excuse to do the same.
            But the good News is LOOKING FOR THE BLESSED HOPE AND THE GLORIOUS APPEARANCE OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. Even now come oh lord.
            Peace be upon you all

          • ogail

            wait a minute! did you mean this? “….homosexuality which we know NOW not to be a sin…” did you mean this (homosexuality) was a sin before and now its not a sin? what is the difference between sexual immorality and homosexuality? Reasonable human being? does your post reflect any sense in the light of the word of God? “most christian will agree” any one who identifies with your opinion is not a Christian! period, case closed>

            worst of all whats wrong with letting people fall in love regardless their sexual orientation. OH! how unfortunate even some one with rear sense will not say this. are you condoning sin and saying nothing wrong with sin i doubt if you are a christian! do you call that love. God have mercy

          • Spoob

            No, I mean that the knowledge we have now which we did not have before confirms that it is not a sin and never has been.

            What is the difference between sexual immorality and homosexuality? Homosexuality does not involve hurting or abusing anyone against their will, and sexual immorality does. Rape would be an example of sexual immorality, or pedophilia.

            My post has nothing to do with God, but there is no reason other Christians (for I am a Christian myself) could not say the same thing.

            I am not condoning sin, I simply do not believe homosexuality IS sin. Unless you happen to be talking about a homosexual who is murdering or raping someone.

            If you think it is, you may be a Christian but not a reasonable human being and not someone I would wish to know.

          • ogail

            Snoob let me help you again about ‘the word of God’ Vs ‘Jesus speaking’. Jesus said in John 16:12 “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. ”
            13 “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. ”
            in other word he (JESUS) will continue to speak through the Holy Ghost

            Peter puts more light in that in II Peter 1:21 “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost”. Read also 1Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

            speaking about his massage Paul said in Gal 1:11 “But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
            12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ”.

            this further tells you that the word of Paul is not a world of man but its Christ talking through him.
            I can go on and on with citation but i know that if you are honest then you would admit that you have seen a light here.

            Much have been said about Homosexuality i will not say much about it but
            i would like to put this straight to you that Homosexuality is a sin
            and its sexual perversion. A Christian Cannot be a Gay and a Gay cannot
            be a Christian unless He repents and turn away from sin…. Jesus said go
            and sin no more.. (Jhn 8:11) read also I John 3:6 “Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.” So people people who want to find excuse to remain in sin is none of him. The best thing you can do is to become child of God by repenting and turning away from sin. You are not being honest if you say sexual orientation is not a big deal in Christianity its ENSLAVEMENT used by the devil and as my brother said people of that categories need deliverance of spiritual healing. No one is created a Gay but people choose to become a gay and therefore you can also choose to come out of that sin and be washed in the blood of Jesus Christ

          • Spoob

            If your Bible causes you to hate and discriminate, may I ask what good it is doing you?

          • ogail

            My brother I know you have now ran out of view other than referring to every thing we write AS “HATE”. We are called to hate sin and the lust of the world and so if we do this then we are doing the right thing but we do not hate sinners, we love them and pray that every be saved 1 Timothy 2:3 “For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
            4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.” ( sorry for giving a lot of scriptures to read that is the word by which i live)

          • James Grimes

            Be careful here, Fundisi. He’ll go get Pax2u to help him defend himself against you and all the “fundies.”

          • Spoob

            You say that as you you actually matter, Grimes. You don’t.

          • pax2u

            the self righteous “true” Christians are willing to unite with the Seventh Day Adventist to attack other Christians, what a bunch of hypocrites

          • Spoob

            I wonder if Grimes, Trumpy, Fundisi, O’Boner, Gary and some of the other fun fundies here have cut their hands off when it caused them to sin in the past? Or plucked eyes out? Since they are so irritatingly literal about every aspect of the Bible and all…

          • pax2u

            I am afraid that they reject the Love and Mercy of the Christian God Jesus Christ, so very sad

          • The Last Trump

            “Don’t lie with a man as YOU WOULD with a woman”. Irritatingly literal he says! How ridiculous and shameful. Only a complete fool could possibly “interpret” this any other way than it was blatantly obviously intended. You don’t really identify as such, do you Twister?

          • James Grimes

            The arrogant clown responded to my comment to you. Who cares?

          • pax2u

            so you post to yourself? do you talk to yourself often, do you up vote yourself?
            now that is “useless”

          • Spoob

            I’m right here Grimes. Your white hood is obscuring your vision.

          • pax2u

            He is talking to that voice in his head

          • Fundisi

            Right!

            How can anyone say the Bible contains errors and that man has added to it by their new understandings and then claim to believe in God? I do not understand that, do you?

            Despite all the warnings against sin in the Bible, with clear condemnation against homosexuality, how can someone claim to be a Christian and say homosexuality is not a sin?

            How can they deny that as the Word of God, it is Jesus speaking throughout the Holy Bible?

          • James Grimes

            That is ignorance speaking. The clowns have no clue. They are fun to watch. It’s like going to the zoo.

          • The Last Trump

            Wow. I think you just described yourself and everyone else who aggressively pushes your doomed to fail cause.

            “screaming hatred in the faces of people they disagree with, demanding that they get their way, bearing false witness against Christians of other denominations, allowing gay and lesbian people to attend their worship services” … Yep. That’s you guys!
            Always accusing others for screaming hatred! What a joke. Grow up. Opening a Bible and simply pointing to a scripture in black and white print without saying a single word is enough for you nitwits to leap out of your chairs and start screaming and pointing at all the hatred coming from the bigots!!?? Where’s the hate, accuser? Go ahead, prosecutor. By all means, go over any of my posts and show me the hate. Quoting scripture that plainly refers to sin as sin is not hate. It’s called facts. Don’t like them? Get yourself a new religion then, charlatan. Because accusing the Christian God of being a hateful bigot miiiiiiiiight not turn out so well for you with this one! And your feeble attempts to discredit what IS written in favour of what is NOT written in order to justify your sinful self interests is just soooo painfully transparent and infantile.
            Twist and interpret. Interpret and twist. Until sin is no longer sin and you get to do whatever the hell you want. And then accuse everybody else of “seeing” only one interpretation as the right one. Everybody here sees you for what you are. Your agenda will not succeed here “Christian”. You merely strengthen our faith and serve as a good example to others of an apostate “Christian” to avoid and dismiss, who’s doctrine and beliefs are easily refuted with simple scripture. Thanks for serving as an example of what not to be Spoob. You really are important around here. Keep up the good work.

          • Spoob

            “Doomed to fail,” Trumpy? According to who? You?

            News flash, there is no “you guys” when you’re talking to me. I’m not representing any large group, unlike yourself who claims to be speaking for all the “True Scotsmen”, excuse me, “True Christians” out there. But for the record, I don’t scream hatred in the face of people I disagree with. You do. And so do all you streetcorner preacher types. I’m not demanding my way, I’m the one saying you should be leaving homosexuals, Catholics, women, etc. ALONE. YOU are the one demanding that we not let gay people get married, etc. As for allowing gay and lesbian people to attend worship services, I suppose yes “we” do that, but it’s not with the caveat that they are coming to be “healed” from anything.

            Your problem Trumpy is you think your beliefs are perfectly aligned with what God wants and it’s simply not the case. God doesn’t want you to administer anti-gay “therapy” to the people he created perfectly OK in the first place. He doesn’t want you to scream at them that they are going to hell. He doesn’t want you to self-righteously tell Christian groups who have been around as long as the Catholic church that they are wrong when you have shown over and over that you completely misunderstand their beliefs and your OWN beliefs are so nutty and over the top that no one could possibly take them seriously. You have been told over and over now that you’re not God, but you keep insisting you are, or at least that you know Him and His word more perfectly than anyone else.

            Interpretation is not twisting. For one thing if you interpret something there’s no guarantee that you did it correctly. But that goes for everyone. What you don’t see is that an interpretation is all that ANYONE has. I don’t care if you’re King James. I don’t care if you’re the Pope. I don’t care if you’re Fred Phelps. Your interpretation is yours alone and the chances that it exactly matches anyone else’s is practically nil.

            As for calling me “apostate” – physician, heal thyself.

          • The Last Trump

            “Doomed to fail. According to who?” Wow. Have you actually EVER read the Bible, Twister? (By the way, is that your favourite game? 🙂 If you don’t already know the answer to that simplest of questions than we’re just wasting time here.
            Also, I never demanded a single thing. Why do you hate Christians so much? Folks here have merely pointed out scriptures that very plainly explain the does and don’t of sexuality as COMMANDED by our Creator. Fact is, you hate the Christian God and have regularly accused Him of being a hateful bigot. His words Spoob. Not ours. Take it up with Him, confused one. Good luck with that!

          • ogail

            Snoob i find your comment very funny and childish, if sinner should come to Church not to be changed, then why should they come to church any way? Jesus Said ‘i have come to sat the captive free’ if not for this liberty, then why should sinners come to the church? the role of the church is to transform sinners in to the image of Christ so that the Kingdom of God can be build on this world; and when Christ comes back, he will find people who thinks and do things like him (people with Kingdom mentality). other than this we would just have to eat, drink and one day we die. that’s it. Its not all about understanding some one’s belief. what is important here is ‘what does the word of God say’ no less no more.

            You cannot give your own interpretation of the word of God. the bible has to interpret its self (II peter 1:20) and people who try to do this just mess up them selves. but not the word of God. take it or leave it.

          • Spoob

            Christianity has been wasted on you. It’s message has gotten corrupted and made you a hateful bigot.

          • ogail

            lol

          • Karen Ancheta Martinez

            Actually Spoob, you are not correct. the Catholic church didn’t come into prominence until about 300 a.d. but the actual faith had been around for centuries. They were responsible for killing the Albigenses and Waldenses who didn’t agree with them and their bible, they had their own. In fact, martin luther was accused of returning the heresies of these 2 groups. True Christians believe that Jesus alone is our salvation, he is our intercessor, so there is no need for a pope of Catholic father to intercede with our intercessor.
            You are right about one thing however, we are called by Jesus to love one another, not hate.

          • pax2u

            and Martin Luther hated Jews, removed Jewish books from the Bible, and wrote his anti Jewish book “on the Jews and their Lies”

          • Karen Ancheta Martinez

            What does that have to do with what I said?

          • pax2u

            do you agree with Martin Luther? or was he an anti Jewish fraud?

          • The Last Trump

            Must be driving you crazy to see all the Christians getting multiple up votes for their comments in support of the Bible while you just accuse and condemn all the hateful bigots who refuse to side with sin. Guess it’s everybody else here who’s somehow gotten it wrong, eh Spoob? But YOU are the one who who’s had a recent revelation from God, which just happens to contradict what He’s said before? Uh huh. Riiiiight. Oh, and look everybody! Spoob just happens to be pro LGBT! Must be a coincidence….

            And I think I can speak for the real Christians here when I say, thank you so much from the bottom of our hearts for recognizing that we are faithful fundamentalists who whole heartedly believe what the Word of God commands us to believe and never attempt to twist or “interpret” what isn’t there to satisfy our own sinful self interests. Seriously Spoob. We are truly honoured to have you witness to our loyalty and faithfulness before Almighty God. You honour us greatly with high praise when you call us “Fundies”. Thank you again, oh twister and interpreter of scripture for personal gain. Your very own testimony here about us will no doubt be brought up when a certain Judge judges His people. You just keep pointing out the genuine Christians Spoobster! You’re the best, little buddy. Keep up the good work! 🙂

          • Spoob

            Driving me crazy, watching the same clump of bigots high fiving each other? It amuses me no end! Keep it up!

            I get no direct communication from God. The difference between you and ME, Trumpy, is I don’t pretend for a moment that I DID, and try to delude everyone around me into thinking I’ve got Favored Christian Status.

            Never said I was LGBT, but if I was I wouldn’t be ashamed of it, it’s the hand you’re dealt. We know this from – guess where? SCIENCE. Imagine how you’d look with your cute little white hood and sheet running around peeing your pants because someone was left-handed! How – unnatural! How terrible! HOW SINFUL! The left hand, SERIOUSLY? The hand of the DEVIL?

            As absurd as that sounds, that’s how it was treated back in your precious bronze age, and what you’re doing this many years later when people should know so much better, is exactly the same thing. It was shameful then and it’s shameful now.

            You don’t speak for real Christians, Trumpy, you speak for haters who disgrace Christianity.
            Nice try my hateful deluded little friend.

          • The Last Trump

            Thanks Spoob! As long as YOU believe that I’m a hateful bigot, I know that I remain on the right track. (You know, the one that mirrors God’s opinion. In plain language. From His Word 😉

          • Go USA

            You are a fundamentalist a bigot and a hater, yet you accuse others of being so. Look in the mirror, hypocrite.

          • Spoob

            Actions speak louder than words. You want to kill and oppress people. I don’t. That makes you the hater. The bigot part goes without saying.

        • James Grimes

          Don’t take him seriously. He is one of “The Useless” who doesn’t deserve an reply.

          • Spoob

            You are one of “The Bigoted” who don’t deserve to be called a Christian.

          • James Grimes

            who doesn’t… don’t is plural. When addressing one person, use the singular “doesn’t.

      • colt721

        I am confused here. What part of Christianity or the Bible is offered here in closing the school?
        Ultimately All religions claim to be THE religion right?

        Today’s politically correct mob wants us to believe that they are all the same or equal. Here is the thing Jesus said “I am THE way, THE truth and THE light NO ONE comes to the Father (Heaven) BUT by ME.

        As much as you might want to call that my “interpretation it is NOT! This is a direct quote NO interpretation. SO How can that coexist with “Jesus was JUST a prophet” (Islam) Or “Jesus was JUST a good man” (Atheist/agnostic)? They do not fit together.

        Jesus claimed to be THE son of God and proved it through the miracles he performed.
        So, as Christians, we either have to believe and accept the Bible, the WHOLE Bible, as God’s word or we have to reject the Bible AND Christianity. Because if you start trying to claim it isn’t and start pulling pieces you do not like out where do you stop? If ANY of it is NOT true then we cannot TRUST any of it to be true.

        The word of God calls ANY sexual perversion a sin And it defines what is right according to God (One man One woman) and it declares that all who refuse to accept the sacrifice of Jesus and make him the LORD and savior of their lives, are unrepentant sinners and thus bound for an eternity separated from God.
        ANY FORM of teaching, whether it is called Christian or not, outside of these basic facts is NOT biblical.
        And Jesus, John and Paul all spoke out about the dangers of accepting false teachers and false Christs.

        Thus ANY “brand” of Christianity that goes there IS leftist and liberal AND IS NOT OF GOD. Martin Luther, during the reformation, spoke out against people who were twisting the word of God to suit human desires.

        That is the same thing you are doing here and now. So before you go pointing fingers maybe you ought to study (REALLY STUDY) his word before you go calling yourself something you are not.

        • Spoob

          In the real world as we know it, some Christians – not all – are discriminatory towards other faiths, and in fact discriminatory towards other CHRISTIANS. And as long as all of them, Christianity included, claim to be the ONE TRUE CORRECT ONE, something all of them are taught (and yet they can’t all be correct), we are going to have situations like this. What do you propose for a solution?

          • The Last Trump

            Pretty simple stuff really. Accept the Word of God as such and follow it. No interpretation where it is obviously not needed. You know, easy stuff like “Don’t lie with a man as YOU WOULD with a woman.” Generations of civilized, moral societies have done as such and flourished. Once you start playing word games and spinning evil as good and good, evil you get… TODAY! Insurmountable problems, pending financial collapse, extinction of the traditional family, sexual anarchy and over crowded jails. “Utopia” for all of the false Christians who troll this site and actually believe that things are getting better! What a bunch of fools.

          • Spoob

            I do accept the word of God. How about that? Both of us accept the word of God and you somehow see that as carte blanche to judge and hate and attack. Somehow that bit was left out of my playbook. Lots of people lie with men as they would with women, to have a nap or rest on a couch or on a bed or in a hospital, are they breaking your rule?

          • The Last Trump

            Are those straws you’re grasping at there? Puh-lease! THAT’s your “interpretation” of what God was CLEARLY referring to? How immature and ridiculous! Looks good on you though.
            Carte blanche to judge, hate and attack? What planet are you from? Where do you Nazis come up with this stuff! I could merely open a Bible and point to any one of a dozen crystal clear passages condemning homosexuality without even speaking a single word and you want to call ME a hateful bigot who condemns and judges! Nice try, Twister. I DIDN’T put it there. Take your case to God, “Christian”.

            “Carte blanche”! What nonsense from spoiled children who demand their OWN way. I used to have small children who played the same games when they wanted something they darn well knew they couldn’t have. Liked to play the “interpretation” game where, would you believe, things always worked out in THEIR FAVOUR! Go figure.

            Satan, too, likes to play the same game! Remember when he deceived Eve, Spoobles? “Did God reeeeealy say….”
            Today, homosexuals like to ask that same question, don’t they. Yeah, we all know very well how your interpretation game ends. You go ahead and play by yourself. I prefer to play by God’s rules as laid out very clearly in His Word. So simple to play, generations of mankind were able to do so without fail and flourish. But there’s always a generation or two that likes to put Him to the test. Have fun, Spoobmeister. Game’s just about over.

          • Spoob

            Straws? What straws am I grasping at, Trumpy? Where is ther any mention of copulation in that passage? See now why what you have is an interpretation, because you’ve pulled that completely out of your posterior? What’s CLEAR to you? If I say that I’m lying with someone and I’m talking to any normal human being their don’t infer anything other than we are lying down, so why are you saying it’s CLEAR that it’s something that isn’t even mentioned? And you call ME “Twister”? Am I twisting something by reading it at face value and taking the actual words for what they mean?

            You continue to play by what you have convinced yourself are God’s rules, and I’ll play by the ones played by countless REASONABLE Christians (and even atheists, who aren’t such bad people when you get to know them….it’s very refreshing talking to people who aren’t subservient to a God-monster who sends people to hell for things they have absolutely no control over…)

            It’s really true, Trumpy…there is a MASSIVE conspiracy by homosexuals worldwide to spit in God’s face, even though by their actions they show that they’re only interested in living lives unmolested by zealots and Christian supremacists…

          • The Last Trump

            Yes Spoob. God doesn’t want any man to lie down next to another man. THAT is an abomination. Uh huh. Okey dokey.

            And I guess we’ll just ignore all of the other passages about burning with desire for one another in the same context with sexual immorality. How ridiculous! Guess I better head on down to the confessional next time I commit the “crime” of sharing a tent with a buddy when camping! Boy, is watching you loons explain this to God going to be fun! What nonsense.

          • Spoob

            “Oh BOY is he gonna get it now! Go GET HIM, God! Give him another hit in the head! He hurt my poor fee fee’s when he said he didn’t want those mean old gay people to burn in hell like I, I mean you, want, God! We’re gonna GET him, right, God? Right? Right, God?”

            Trumpy you are
            Pa.
            Thet.
            Ic.

          • The Last Trump

            Ahh yes. The “Twister” at work with my words. You still got it, Spoobs! Spin that yarn! …Yes, it’s going to be so much fun to watch!

          • Spoob

            Your paranoid revenge fatasy, your rules, Trumpy. Just continue pretending to be God.

          • The Last Trump

            The Bible “Christian”. Go to the light Spoob. God’s rules. No pretending required. Only pretenders around here are you gay “Christians” who hate God, other Christians, and of course the Bible that reveals you for the charlatans you are. We still love you though, Spoob! We’ll pray for you, little buddy!

          • Spoob

            I live in the light Trumpy. I have freedom. Imagine the freedom YOU could have to take your boyfriend on a date to the Creation Museum and do so without fear of persecution by bigots and haters. God has no hate at all Trumpy, he wants everyone to be happy.

  • Kathy

    we cant discriminate against Islam but Christianity is being shut down because of different views….are you serious…we can’t think and believe differently, “or else”!!!!! Guess what, you can shut the schools down but you can’t shut Christ out of our hearts and minds and His Word will stand forever. To God be the glory through His precious Son, Jesus Christ.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Yes, they don’t even realize that they are discriminating by shutting this school down – amazing! Their entire worldview is self-refuting.

      • colt721

        Of course. “all views are equal, unless it is a view we refuse to accept or disagree with.” or “we have to all tolerate diversity and uniqueness, unless it is a diversity or uniqueness that offends us.” The reality here is they are claiming one thing and using the buzzwords to make it seem like they are the good guys, when they are really against the very thing they are saying they want. I have often noted that there are a lot of people out there who claim to want equality or diversity when what they are really pushing for is preferential treatment and everyone being on the same side.

      • Clare M Hiscock

        Like – exactly

    • Troy Walters

      Amen sister!

    • Clare M Hiscock

      Good word Kathy. Young children are not racist or against homosexuals
      (indeed many know nothing about the subject – why should they?) It’s adults
      who teach them to be prejudiced. The world (including our own government have gone mad) Schools teaching really young children not to be prejudiced against gays (they are not!) Even if they were is it not better to teach, love your
      neighbour as yourself, then they would respect everyone. I am an Ex Teacher
      and a Christian, but this sharing of ‘love’ can be taught by all. Under 12 is
      giving children too much pressure – let them be children. Its very odd that
      Atheists may state their belief ‘that there is no God’ with impunity, with no
      question of them trying to influence young minds, a teacher sharing her
      belief in Jesus, can risk losing job. What has ever happened to free speech,
      let alone the Christian culture of our land – our Government I feel is running
      scared of Moslems. But as you say Kathy ‘The Body of Christ’ will never
      die. Bless you. To God be the glory Amen

  • VEE

    Shocking. So when are the other faith schools closing down? or are us Christians being discriminated against once again this time in our own country. Why isn’t Mr Cameron standing up for us?. and why are Islamic schools still open when we know they do it.

    We need Answers please

    • Clare M Hiscock

      Yes – answer Cameron, who is supposedly a Christian

  • Faithwalker

    We are truly living in accordance to end time prophecy! The spiritual warfare against God’s people have been increasing at warp speed. As followers of the true and living God we have to stay clothed in the full armor of God and pray without ceasing!

    • Barney

      God help us all to draw near to you. Keep our hearts at peace so that we will be ready for Your return, Lord Jesus

      • Faithwalker

        In Jesus name. .Amen!

    • Clare M Hiscock

      Amen

  • Maggi Esamilla

    This is Political Correctness gone mad! These children don’t deserve that. That school district in UK is not protecting it’s children. I didn’t hear any of the at the last Prime Minister’s Q&A. All he seemed interested in was discrediting the Labor Party. Sounds familiar. While they’re sticking their tongues out at each other across the aisle, their own country is seemingly falling to Courtsislamic Sharia law.

  • gregkliebigsr

    Hebrews 11: 6. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

    Hebrews 10 : 15. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
    16. This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
    17. And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

    John 14: 20. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
    21. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
    23. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

    John 1:12. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the SONS or (daughters) of God, even to them that believe on his name:

    Romans 8:14. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the SONS of God.
    Proverbs 3: 1. My SON , forget not my law; but let thine HEART keep my commandments:
    2. For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.

    Proverbs 3: 6. In ALL thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
    John 10: 27. MY sheep hear MY voice, and I know them, and they FOLLOW ME :

    FAITH IS THE VEHICLE THAT GETS US TO A FELLOWSHIP WITH THE LORD AND GOD JESUS CHRIST, GOD’S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON!!

  • robertzaccour

    European governments for the most part are anti-Christian, this doesn’t surprise me one bit.

    • Fundisi

      The West has all but abandoned the Christian faith, most are not only godless, but treat people of the Christian faith as their enemies and despite the murders, they seem to defend Islam.

      • Clare M Hiscock

        Incredible behaviour from our Government – no protection for our own
        culture only for Islam.

  • MEP1101

    “1984” OCEANIA !

  • Evangelina Vigilantee

    I agree with most of the comments here (not enough time to read all).

    This is the direction the whole world is headed in. Christians, be ready to buckle up and remain firm until the end. Persecution is coming to the West also. We can fight, but at one point it will be inevitable. We must bear the suffering and remain faithful until the end, even unto death. They can put you in jail, they can threathen your life, etc., but they cannot make you lose or renounce your faith without your consent. To God be the glory.

    “Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!'” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.” ” Revelation 14; 12-13

  • jmichael39

    I’d be honestly curious if the government is also investigating private Islamic schools for similar discriminatory practices.

    • Clare M Hiscock

      Doubt it – running too scared. Christians tend to turn the other cheek.

  • WorldGoneCrazy

    OK, where are all of the intellectually honest a-theists to condemn this?!? This madness is clearly self-refuting: by being the “tolerance” police, the Left in the UK is being intolerant. They are discriminating by action against those they say are discriminating by thought, real thought police. No honest a-theist could be for such unreasonable and self-refuting nonsense.

    • Clare M Hiscock

      Agreed!

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Seriously, does today’s Europe have religious liberty? What a waste of the great Christian legacy and Christian ancestors! So nothing is okay except for secularism’s insane immorality in today’s West?

  • Daniel Crowley

    Proof that the government are forcing ideology onto children, despite the family’s wishes.

  • Curtius Simplus

    Oh you mean they taught the Children the Truth, Ignored PC BS and Would Not KowTow To MultiCult … And they were WHITE! However at this EXACT time there are Muslim schools that teach JIHAD in LONDON! So yeah ONLY WHITES can be Racist! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuZ4toBjbmk

  • Curtius Simplus

    Political Correctness is a Communist Cult! PC is running our society down to the Third World: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpdjMk1oaFY

  • Curtius Simplus

    Reject PC and its Guilt Trips: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klq_siKHiTo Racism is just the Viral Defense Mechanism to ensure subversion! Reject your enemies guilt trips!

  • William Tyndale

    As a dual US-UK citizen and partial year resident of both I can say to my American Christian brethren that the problems we have with the anti-Christian bigots and haters in the US are nothing compared to the daily harrassment, persecution, and oppression suffered by the “remnant” in the once proud Mother Nation (but now virtually completely atheistic) of all worldwide English speaking Christians. Not even close….yet.

  • Truthhurts24

    The reason why these liberal pharisee devils keep attacking Christians is because they know that there will be no violent retaliation so in that sick reprobate mind of theirs victory has been won over Christians but they have no idea that God sees everything they do and their temporary victory will be cut short because they have challenged God and will find out the hard way how scary he can be judgement day arrives.

  • Mich

    The parents of the children need to take a stand – this is bullying and harassment of minors by Ofsted. The opinions of young children are usually formed at home, not at school, so this has nothing to do with the school. I also think it is time we Christians start funding our own schools devoid of input from the government, thereby cutting them and their biased inspections off.

  • libsarescum

    Start with the politicians…

  • TheMatrixHasU

    Huh. And they say there is no Christian persecution in the West. Well there it is. All religions are equal exept Christianity

  • glendaleburbank

    So wait…let me see if I understand this. The OFSTED can not, and will not go into a muslim school and force them to teach about Christianity or Judaism or they would be labeled as racist bigots for questioning the teachings of Mohammed; which teaches DEATH to anyone who doesn’t follow their pedophile/death cult indoctrination. However, OFSTED can intimidate and shut down a Christian organization that teaches the love of Jesus. Does anyone in the UK see the hypocrisy and out-right persecution being tolerated here? “Woe to those who call good evil, and evil good.”…Jesus was right, they loved the darkness because their deeds are dark and they have no love of light because it exposes evil. What is OFSTED? Answer = Evil.

  • ClareClare

    Of course the bureaucrats are also visiting Muslim schools and asking them the same questions, right? Right?

  • Joseph

    In the Book of Revelations we have some ‘highly discriminatory words from YHVH Elohim’….these being highly discriminatory by the standards of the UK….These highly discriminatory remarks by YHVH should be enough to have the whole Bible banned from the UK…These remarks can be found in Rev.22:14-15. I wonder how the Christian ‘community’ will roll over for this……

  • http://GREATSITE.COM/ John Lawton Jeffcoat III

    Wait a minute… back up… Privately-Funded Christian Schools in the UK are being shut down by the UK Government… because they are teaching… Christianity!?

    It is now illegal for a private Christian school to teach that Jesus Christ said He was the ONLY path unto God? It is actually illegal for a Christian school to teach what the Bible says?

    How very sad that the nation responsible for bringing the Gospel to the world… ENGLAND… whose pilgrims and colonists and missionaries founded the greatest countries of the (English-speaking) world upon a predominantly Christian understanding of government and culture: The United States, and Australia, and South Africa, etc…
    has now turned its back on that Gospel, and even declared that Gospel “illegal”.

    This is flat-out unbelievable! Can this really be happening?

    I know the Moslems were growing rapidly in England… but behold the influence they now wield in government. This is just unreal.

    If we allow it… it will not be long until Christian Schools are illegal in the USA as well.

  • mattuiop

    Of course it would be hate speech if we were to do the same for an islamic school. Because they don’t publicly stone women or kill their own people because they want to leave their faith.

  • Nigel Williams

    it is worthwhile checking out the actual ofsted report alongside this article

  • Rev Donald Spitz

    Sounds like the Nazis have taken over the British government. Sure wouldn’t find these tools of Satan asking Muslim schools the same questions. Jesus is the only way of salvation, go ahead and put me in jail for my belief.

  • MEP1101

    The British government is proving the New testament to be true. Jesus prophesied that Christianity’s Good News would be preached all over the world and a prominent Anti-Christ would arise in the End Times. Nothing has ever been more anti God, anti-Christ that Marxist, “Secularism” ( Communism ). And much of what used to be The Christian Western World has replaced its “Christian” democracies with anti- Christian, Marxist oligarchies.

  • Reformed_2

    This sort of thing will continue as long as churches, seminaries, and Christian schools accept public funds for their operating capitol. If you can’t afford to operate without welfare then get out of the business.