Alabama Supreme Court Justice Urges Governor to Defy ‘Tyranny’ of Courts on Same-Sex ‘Marriage’

Moore RestoredMONTGOMERY, Ala. — Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore, also known as the “Ten Commandments judge,” is urging Gov. Robert Bentley to defy the federal courts on the issue of same-sex “marriage” and uphold the state Constitution.

Moore sent a letter to Bentley on Tuesday following Friday’s ruling by U.S. District Judge Ginny Granade, which declared Alabama’s “Sanctity of Marriage Amendment” unconstitutional.

“As you know, nothing in the United States Constitution grants the federal government the authority to redefine the institution of marriage,” he wrote, stating that the recent ruling raised “serious, legitimate concerns about the propriety of federal court jurisdiction over the Alabama Sanctity of Marriage Amendment.”

The amendment at issue, passed in 2006 with 81 percent of the vote, states that “[m]arriage is inherently a unique relationship between a man and a woman.”

“As a matter of public policy, this state has a special interest in encouraging, supporting, and protecting this unique relationship in order to promote, among other goals, the stability and welfare of society and its children,” it continues. “A marriage contracted between individuals of the same sex is invalid in this state.”

In 2013, two lesbians in the state sued Gov. Bentley, Attorney General Luther Strange and Mobile County Probate Judge Don Davis—among others—in an attempt to overturn the law after one of the women was denied from adopting the other woman’s child. Granade struck down the amendment on Friday, stating that it was discriminatory of homosexuals.

“If anything, Alabama’s prohibition of same-sex marriage detracts from its goal of promoting optimal environments for children,” she wrote. “Those children currently being raised by same-sex parents in Alabama are just as worthy of protection and recognition by the state as are the children being raised by opposite-sex parents. Yet Alabama’s Sanctity laws harms the children of same-sex couples for the same reasons that the Supreme Court found that the Defense of Marriage Act harmed the children of same-sex couples.”

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But Moore, the highest state justice in Alabama, found the ruling to be tyrannical.

“Today, the destruction of [marriage] is upon us by federal courts using specious pretexts based on the Equal Protection, Due Process and Full Faith and Credit Clauses of the United States Constitution,” he wrote in his letter to Bentley. “As of this date, 44 federal courts have imposed by judicial fiat same-sex marriages in 21 states of the Union, overturning the express will of the people in those states.”

Moore said that the issuance of marriage licenses to same-sex couples would be unlawful, and called upon Bentley uphold the state Constitution as he does the same as Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice.

“I ask you to uphold and support the Alabama Constitution with respect to marriage, both for the welfare of this state and for our posterity,” he urged. “Be advised that I will stand with you to stop judicial tyranny and any unlawful opinions issued without constitutional authority.”

“As Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, I will continue to recognize the Alabama Constitution and the will of the people as overwhelmingly expressed in the Sanctity of Marriage Amendment,” Moore said.


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  • Pyrrho Nist

    For a second I thought I was reading an article from 1965 about blacks and civil rights.

    Then I realized its 2015; the judge is from the South; and Republicants and Teabeggars are still consumed with what people do in their bedroom and in what position…

    The sooner we wipe the seed of public officials who invoke their religious beliefs, the better off society will be!

    • Gary

      You are a very wicked, evil person, and a menace to society. People like me view you as a threat to ourselves and our families.

      • James Grimes

        There are several evil people who are here to tell us poor Christians how wrong we are. They are delusional and are totally Useless. Their opinions are meaningless. Praise God for committed Christians who will stand up to their evil.

        • Gary

          I have always been amused that some people mock God, by their words, and by their behavior, and say they can get away with it. I wonder if they really believe that, or are they just delusional?

          • Andrew Klein

            If I had a reason to think god was real, I’d be scared.

          • Lisa

            That says a lot.

        • Lisa

          You don’t stand up to them James, you stoop to their level and call them names. It offends me that you call them totally useless and that you say their opinions are meaningless. They may be wrong in what they say because they don’t understand but that doesn’t give you the right to cut them down as if they weren’t God’s creation too. Jesus died to save us all which means they are not useless!

          • James Grimes

            Everyone has an opinion.

          • Lisa

            Yes, but by calling them names you are just reinforcing their decsion about Christians and ultimately this reflects on how they see God. If you are so frustrated why not ask God to help you respond?

          • Andrew Klein

            Wow Lisa. Christians like you, are rare. I have a lot of respect for you.

          • Lisa

            Thank you, I appreciate your saying that!

          • Gary

            It could also be argued that telling them what they don’t want to hear reinforces their decision about Christians and God. Should we refrain from that too?

          • Lisa

            When you are telling them in an arrogant and abusive way then what does that profit either of you. I think you can tell people about their sins without resorting to name calling and insults. I have read some of your reply’s and they are playing with you because you are easily angry at what they say. Why do you take it personally anyway?

          • KenS

            Amen, Lisa I agree 100%, how are we to bring unbelievers to Christ, if we are not acting like Christ? James, you are not helping to bring anyone to Christ, you are instead driving a wedge between them and giving a poor testimony of Christ and the Christians that follow Him.

      • Better AndBetter

        But people like you are no longer able to push your religion on people.

        That’s funny.

        • Gary

          I understand that you want all the laws to be immoral because you are immoral and you want the laws to support whatever you want to do. That has been understood for a long time. Unfortunately, there are far too many people just like you.

          • Better AndBetter

            Aw, in Gary’s opinion I’m immoral. I’m heart broken.

            It is nice that you are willing to admit you’re not the ruling class anymore. That’s actually very mature of you. I’m surprised since you’re usually so bitter and sour.

          • Gary

            Your being immoral is not just my opinion. It is based on God’s word.

          • Better AndBetter

            Which god? Yours?

            No problem… there are plenty of others to choose from.

          • Gary

            Which God is the real one? Or the most powerful?

          • Better AndBetter

            FSM

          • Gary

            Nonsense.

          • Better AndBetter

            Oh, you poor man.

            May you be Touched by His Noodly Appendage.

          • Andrew Klein

            Your interpretation of “god’s word”. And your god is one of many, all of which have the same amount of proof of existence. None.

          • Lisa

            What if its not Gary’s opinion that you’re immoral? What if there really is a God and He is the one who says your immoral and He’s the one who doesn’t like that? Maybe you’re not heartbroken now, but what if there was a punishment for immorality? An eternity of suffering and torment-would you then be heartbroken?

          • Better AndBetter

            What if?

          • Lisa

            You may want to consider it because your decision affects you.

          • Better AndBetter

            What if…

            Not a lot of certainty in that. Nothing but faith in the words of men.

          • Lisa

            Well I would agree with you there but it isn’t the words of men, those men were inspired by God to write the things they wrote. You don’t have to believe it, it is up to you. Your decision to make. But let’s say you are wrong and there is a God and He’s not so happy with you. That there is a punishment that awaits you? You seem to be pretty confident that there is no God and I’m not sure how you can be certain of that. Unless you don’t really understand the importance of the decision you are making.

          • Better AndBetter

            How do you know that they were “inspired by god”? Because someone told you they were?

            Joseph Smith made the same claim.

          • Lisa

            The Bible says they were, I get it they could just be saying that. And yes people do lie and will lie in the name of religion. But at some point you have a decision to make that will affect what happens to you. To say that you won’t believe the one book that tells you about God and what He says is true because you are worried about the men who wrote it….maybe that’s a great lie to keep you away from the truth and making the decision to save your life? There is a devil and he would like nothing more than to lie about God to every person on earth because he is looking for company in that torment and suffering. You heard the expression misery loves company? The more the merrier for him but it won’t be merry for you or anyone else. That’s also in the Bible where I get my information from. Again you don’t have to believe anything I say, you don’t have to read the Bible, you can keep on the same path you are on. All I’m saying is one day that decision you make will either cost you an eternity with God or an eternity without Him in deepest torment. That’s why Christians try to tell people about what will happen because we know that there isn’t anything good waiting for all unbelievers. It’s not to be mean it’s to try to help.

          • Better AndBetter

            “the book says the book’s authors were inspired by god so it must be true.

            Didn’t read past that.

          • Lisa

            Too bad. I hope you make the right decision.

          • Andrew Klein

            The Bible is a hilarious amalgamation of fables and mythology, half of which is stolen from religions that pre-date Judo-Christianity, and the other half based on manuscripts from upwards of 200 years after the so-called life of “Christ”.
            And we’re the crazy ones for turning our backs on it?

          • KenS

            No, these manuscripts were all written within the first 100 years of his death, with the last one being written in 90 AD by an eyewitness of his life and death and resurrection.

          • Andrew Klein

            You’re kidding me, right?

            Have you read up on the historicity of the bible? If you had, you’d know that the Septuagint was a translation put together by the Romans 200 hundred years after the events, and that no original manuscripts from any of the disciples exist.
            Shoot, the original bible is closer to what the Catholics use. Are you protestant? How do you feel about your bible not having over a half dozen books?
            If people like you would do some research and realize that the Council of Trent destroyed the bible in an effort to make it more apt to support monarchies/crowns, we could have a serious conversation.
            We don’t even have originals. Just copies, none of which are exactly alike. Yet you’ll stand by this thing. Wow.

          • Andrew Klein

            Pascal’s Wager. Weak argument for your “god”.

          • Lisa

            I didn’t know that was Pascal’s wager. It’s a good question I think. If there is a God and there is a punishment for sin would that change how you look at how you see things? Most people want to suffer, it seems to me.

          • Andrew Klein

            That’s exactly what Pascal’s Wager is. What if.
            And to answer your question. Your god is all powerful, no? So he knows what it would take to convince me. So he either doesn’t want me to know him, or, doesn’t have the ability to do so.

          • Lisa

            What would convince you?

          • Gary

            If God wanted you to know Him, you would.

          • KenS

            No, there is the free will argument here, he gives you the same information that he gives every single person on earth and the free will to choose to believe it and be saved or to deny it and be condemned.

      • davisss13

        yeeeee haw! go hide in your basement, neanderthal

    • The Last Trump

      Yeah, that’s what I see outside! Things are so much better today since we put God to death! Sexual anarchy, financial collapse, and over crowded prisons. I’ll have what you’re drinking!

      • davisss13

        Republican’s god says torture is ok.

        • Ed Rexroad

          God says there’s consequences

          • Better AndBetter

            FSM says there is not.

      • Andrew Klein

        According to DOJ metrics, most prisoners identify as Christian. Sexual anarchy…. not even sure what you mean by that. You mean people doing what they want, according to their rights per the Constitution? And financial collapse; deregulating and reregulating the financial market has been a stalwart of the Christian right-wing GOP.
        Huh?

    • Spoob

      Sorry you raised the hackles of two of the worst anti-gay bigots this board has to offer, but you’re exactly right. And there is NO WAY this particular public official is going to be a public official much longer as long as he has this crybaby attitude.

    • http://www.FascistDykeMotors.com/ Katy

      That’s outrageous. Just because it’s mostly the Old Confederacy states flipping out about this issue and they’re using the same arguments and the same tactics as they did in the days of Jim Crow doesn’t mean the two situations have anything in common with one another.

      • Andrew Klein

        Do I detect some sarcasm?

  • Gary

    Thanks to Judge Moore. He is exactly right.

    • Better AndBetter

      It’s going to be fun to watch, ain’t it?

  • BarkingDawg

    You can cry and moan all you want, but marriage equality is here to stay

    The sooner you get used to it, the better off you will be.

    • The Last Trump

      Didn’t the Nazis come out with that…

      • James Grimes

        Yes. In many ways today’s Liberals are neo-Nazis.

        • davisss13

          Right. That why it was Republicans who consulted German n azi torture manuals for their ‘program’. You really need to work on your credibility.

          • James Grimes

            Are you related to Pax2u? Both of you are very incoherent.

      • Andrew Klein

        Godwin’s Law is in effect now. So this argument doesn’t hold any credibility.
        That said, need I remind you that Nazism is directly related to Fascism, which is directly related to the *right wing*. So your argument has no real intellectual value, as it’s based on a lie.

    • Gary

      It is NOT here to stay. It is temporary.

      • Spoob

        I bet you a million bucks you’re wrong, Gary.

        • Gary

          Let’s raise it to 10 million.

          • Better AndBetter

            And when is that going to happen, Gary?

            When will you do something to change it? Or is it your deity who will change it, as you know you cannot?

          • Gary

            I can’t give a specific date. I know that the laws will be changed, and I expect it will happen within the next ten years. Could be sooner, or could be a little longer. And yes, it is my Deity that will change it.

            In the meantime, those of us who believe in real marriage, and believe the laws should be moral will continue our opposition to ssm, and to those who support such immorality.

          • Better AndBetter

            I know, Gary… I was pulling your leg.

            Within 10 years? OK… I’ll keep my eye out! It’ll be entertaining.

            Doom, doom, DOOM! Sky monster will ATTACK!!!

            How will you oppose it?

          • Gary

            The odds are that you won’t be around in ten years.
            I will opposes it by voting against politicians who support ssm, by speaking out against it, by refusing to accept it. And by other means.

          • Better AndBetter

            Oh, Gary, there is no reason to believe that. You’ve chosen to believe a book written by men claiming to be involved with some deity. Nothing more.

            How will you oppose us? What will you do?

            Your refusal to “accept it” means what? How will it affect my life or the lives of others?

          • Gary

            I don’t want to reveal details on this forum. But I do have plans.

          • Better AndBetter

            Uh huh… sure, Gary.

            Sure…

          • Pat Frederickson

            So, Gary, you’re planning something? “I don’t want to reveal details on this forum. But I do have plans.” You do realize that these forums are scrutinized by various government agencies, right? Enjoy your strip search and enjoy having your house turned upside down. Loon.

          • Spoob

            You are going to lose, Gary.

          • Gary

            I disagree. I know some of what the future holds.

          • Better AndBetter

            You know nothing… you only have faith.

          • Spoob

            Of course you do.
            Not the craziest thing you’ve ever said, but close.

          • Pat Frederickson

            “I know some of what the future holds.” Thanks for supporting my first impression of you. You think you are God, the one and only Judge. Embrace the tolerance and acceptance our nation is evolving towards. Embrace the diversity for it is the matrix of our existence. Jesus loves gays.

          • BarkingDawg

            Ah, you’re a witch, then.

      • Andrew Klein

        A Christian who cannot stand the fact that people are turning their back on his mythology. Nothing I haven’t seen before.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

      I guess you really love the idea of signing over your future parental rights and granting the US gov’t jurisdiction over your marriage. But hey, tyranny is trendy right now. Who needs the freedom to make contracts with whoever we want whenever we want however we want when you can act like a simpering fool and ask permission from the gov’t to marry the person of your choosing. Because gov’t is your daddy and daddy knows best!

      • BarkingDawg

        Wow. The delusions are strong in this one.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

          Shut up slave and bow to your liberal trendy overlords! You think that by making fun of a true libertarian that you’re somehow on the winning team, but the fact is the new world order will grind you up and spit you out. Go get your cancer-laced vaccines and eat your GMO foods and get alzheimer’s at a young age!

      • Andrew Klein

        You do realize that it’s the Conservative right-wing, like this judge, who are trying to make it so that you seek approval from the government to marry someone, right? That marriage equality is entirely based on *not* needing government’s permission to marry who you want, be it heterosexual, or homosexual?

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

          Both left and right have got it WRONG. Good old fashioned Libertarianism (like that of our founding fathers) is what is needed.
          That’s why I despise people having to run to the gov’t for approval.
          However, I will say this, I’ve noticed it’s been a trend of the left to seek the gov’ts interferance on every social issue, when they should just go out and do it themselves. If a guy wants to live with another guy for the rest of his life and say they’re married, OK…so why beg big daddy gov’t to do what you had the freedom to do all along?? That’s why I got mad. If a man and another man or a woman and another woman want to spend the rest of their lives together til death do they part, GO FOR IT! AND TELL THE GOV’T TO SHOVE THEIR “LICENSE” WHERE THE SUN DON’T SHINE!

          • Andrew Klein

            /If a guy wants to live with another guy for the rest of his life and say they’re married, OK…so why beg big daddy gov’t to do what you had the freedom to do all along//
            You do realize that if the government doesn’t recognize your marriage, you’re in a world of hurt for government/legal issues (adoption, taxes, death rites, etc.), right?
            I mean you do get that right?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            I’m married without a license. So I know exactly what I’m opting out of.

          • Andrew Klein

            Good for you. Now stop trying to take away people’s right to participate as they see fit within the realm of our secular government.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            I’m not trying to take away anything, I’m just some lady posting her opinion on the internet. Stop being a sheep.

    • Better AndBetter

      RAmen!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

    Black’s Law Dictionary defines “license” as, “The permission by competent authority to do an act which without such permission, would be illegal.” We need to ask ourselves- why should it be illegal to marry without the State’s permission? More importantly, why should we need the State’s permission to participate in something which God instituted (Gen. 2:18-24)? We should not need the State’s permission to marry nor should we
    grovel before state officials to seek it.

    George Washington was married without a marriage license. So, how did we
    come to this place in America where marriage licenses are issued?

    Historically, all the states in America had laws outlawing the marriage of blacks and whites. In the mid-1800’s, certain states began allowing interracial marriages or miscegenation as long as those marrying received a license from the state. In other words they had to receive permission to do an act which without such permission would have been illegal.

    Christian couples should not be marrying with State marriage licenses, nor should
    ministers be marrying people with State marriage licenses. Some have said to me, “If someone is married without a marriage license, then they aren’t really married.” In reality, this contention that people are not really married unless they obtain a marriage license simply reveals how Statist we are in our thinking. We need to think Biblically.

    excerpts from: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/Marriage/license.htm

    • Gary

      If you want your marriage recognized by the government, then you might have to get a government marriage license. But if you don’t care whether the government recognizes your marriage, then you should not seek the license. The government has proven itself incompetent to issue marriage licenses even before they began licensing “same-sex marriages”.

  • James Grimes

    The world is such a mess since the Liberals became prominent. Thank God for a God-fearing judge such as Justice More. When Liberalism is seen as the lie it is, this country will be better off.

    • davisss13

      Republicans are god fearing, torture loving, rich worshiping Pharisees.

      • Fundisi

        Funny, James was not talking about the Democrats, but liberals and you use it as an excuse to lie about Republicans. Interesting!

    • ThePear

      Stupid liberals and their wishes for peace and lack of human suffering. They’re so foolish and have ruined good Christian traditions! Let’s get rid of the liberals and bring back conservative Christian institutions like slavery, genocide, the crusades, gang-rape, murdering women and children, and war… sweet, sweet war. And as a cherry on top, I bet that if we get rid of enough liberals then we can start making children work in factories again for 80 hours a week! I’m so stoked for conservative Christians to take control again! Death to all!!

      • James Grimes

        Yes, Liberals are stupid and so is your rant. Don’t waste my time.

  • Fundisi

    In a misguided attempt to tolerate the evil of gay marriage, toleration itself became evil.

    When we first kicked God out of the public square, we sowed evil seeds into the wind and are now reaping the whirlwind of our own destruction as a nation. When first, during the sexual revolution of the 1960’s we tolerated the evil of homosexuality, we opened a Pandora’s box of evil that has so corrupted this nation that we are imploding morally and spiritually, we have lost our way and are destroying ourselves.

    • davisss13

      ahhh shut the hell up

      • James Grimes

        Oh my, that was an intellectual response. If you don’t have the facts, then resort to anger.

        • Fundisi

          This is a liberal, he is probably gay and they do not allow opposition, they silence the opposition.

          • James Grimes

            There are a lot of Gay trolls on this site. Liberal, Atheist, and obnoxious, among other qualities, are their traits. They make it so that they will not receive acceptance. 1 Cor. 6:9 tells us how they will be treated in eternity. That’s their choice.

          • Fundisi

            Yes, you are of course correct; but it gives me no pleasure to see them so blinded by their lusts, their hate and their rejection of God that they are choosing pleasure for a day in exchange for hell forever.

          • James Grimes

            The bottom line is that they may not be of the elect. Most of them may have already been assigned to an eternity away from God. He will have His way with them.

          • pax2u

            not the “elect” how very Calvinist

          • James Grimes

            I’m surprised that you actually may understand a Calvinistic doctrine. This is impressive.

          • pax2u

            I understand that Calvinism is not Christianity

          • James Grimes

            How would you know the difference? The concept is above your intellectual ability.

          • pax2u

            I will worship Jesus Christ

            you can worship Calvin

          • James Grimes

            Paxy, sometimes it’s best to keep silent. If you do, people will only think your intelligence is limited. When you say something, you remove all doubt.

          • pax2u

            I am sorry that you are a Calvinist, did not want to expose you as not being a Christian

          • James Grimes

            Paxy, remain silent… You don’t want people finding out about you.

          • pax2u

            I pray that you will stop worshiping Calvin, I pray that you someday become a Christian

          • pax2u

            I am sorry but I will not remain silent against your hatred and bigotry of Christ

          • James Grimes

            Do as you’re told to do. Decent people don’t want to read your incoherent gibberish.

          • pax2u

            I will pray to the Christian God Jesus Christ, for your eternal soul amen

          • James Grimes

            Don’t be such a liar.

          • pax2u

            I forgive you your hatred of Christians, and I will continue to pray to my Christian God Jesus Christ for your eternal soul, amen

          • James Grimes

            You are a known liar. Please stop posting your lies. I have no interest.

          • pax2u

            you are a sad and hateful person and I pity you
            now you say that you have a denomination but are ashamed to name it. so very sad

            I will pray to my Christian God Jesus Christ for your eternal soul, amen

          • James Grimes

            You have been told to stop lying. Please do as you are told to do.

          • pax2u

            I am very sorry for you and your hatred

            I notice that you even post to yourself, do you answer back to yourself, I understand now why you will not name your denomination, your denomination would be ashamed of YOU because of your hatred of Christians

            I will continue to pray to my Christian God Jesus Christ for your eternal soul, amen

          • D.M.S.

            Preach it brother……….

          • pax2u

            you want to silence anyone who exposes your hatred and bigotry, your lies about Christians, and your support of those who agree with fascists and anti Semites,

            I will continue to pray to my Christian God, Jesus Christ for your eternal soul, amen

          • D.M.S.

            Remember, Proverbs 1:7. when these people comment to you, it’s quite helpful.

          • Fundisi

            i do not want to respond directly to pax2u, he is so filled with lies and hate, I get weary of his nonsense.

            So, generally, elect is not a Calvinistic doctrine, the Bible teaches it clearly. How we understand predestination and the elect may differ, but it is not of itself a Calvinistic Doctrine, it is a biblical doctrine. You and I may see what it means or how it applies differently, I do not know; but I just wanted to make it clear to others here, the elect is not made disreputable just because Calvin embraced it.

          • pax2u

            of course you will not respond, since you were caught lying about the Bible, the word of God, and had to change your posting name

          • James Grimes

            Very true. I was trying to keep things very simple for the intellectually challenged.

          • pax2u

            Neiman/Fundisi is the challenged by more than intellect, he is challenged by honesty, lying about the Bible to defend hate is evil, I will pray for you and Neiman/Fundisi

          • purfekt10

            I hope that many people are praying for you because you are so lost (I am praying for you right now). The Bible says a lot about those who do not follow Jesus Christ; you should read it.

          • pax2u

            and I will pray for you also, as I pray for those filled with hatred and anger, in the name of my Christian God, Jesus Christ, my personal Lord and Savior, amen

          • James Grimes

            I won’t reply to him at all. He is a pathetic liar who cannot be in the company of decent adults. Sorry to say, I find him very disgusting.

          • Fundisi

            Count me in! He does not merit any responses at all to his lies and his hate. I also find him disgusting and beneath contempt.

          • pax2u

            I take your hatred as a badge of honor, sorry that you had to change your name when you were caught lying about the Bible to support your bigotry of Christians

          • James Grimes

            The incoherent liar does his best to be a real nuisance.

          • pax2u

            It is best that a hateful coward would run and hide, is your sheet and hood back from the cleaners?

          • Pablo U Hunni

            The elect is a term mean chosen. We have chosen God, it’s our freewill. He knows who will choose him and who will reject him, but he does NOT wish that any should perish so ALL have the chance to choose. Better learn the difference.

          • D.M.S.

            They are so filled with SATAN that they don’t even realize it, that’s why scripture states ‘ they know not what they do ‘.

          • Fundisi

            Yes, they are angry and afraid because they know they are in rebellion against God.

      • Fundisi

        You and your Leftist and Gay friends are suicidal, you would rather see this country and your friends and family suffer and die, than turn from evil. That is exactly what humanity has always done, they turn from God and engage in every sort of vile, evil form of sexual debauchery and perversion, which is the ultimate form of idolatry, it is self-worship, love only for your own gender, the ultimate self love. Then to deal with your evil conscience you often turn to drugs and always hate towards anyone that will not go alone.

        You are to be pitied.

        • Andrew Klein

          Show me valid, testable, and modern/current proof that your narrative is valid. I tried the bible for 11 years, earnestly, and it failed miserably.

          • Gary

            Why should he bother? What makes you worth his time?

          • Better AndBetter

            The “great commission”?

          • Gary

            Don’t cast pearls before swine.

          • Better AndBetter

            Nice! Glad your god feels try, but if it’s gonna be hard, skrew it.

          • Fundisi

            Gary is right, Jesus tells us not to cast pearls of Divine truth before swine or to give spiritual food to dogs. It is harsh, but it is the Lord that tells us the futility of trying to bring Christ to those, like you, that in truth hate Him.

          • Better AndBetter

            So, try to convert, but don’t try real hard.

            Oh… I love that!

            As for hate him… it’s like hating the Yeti…

            How can you hate a myth?

          • Fundisi

            We Christians can only offer God’s Word, it is up to Him to convert the willing>/u> soul.

            God said that only a FOOL says in his heart there is no God! So, apparently, you are a self declared fool.

          • Better AndBetter

            If you have to want to believe it, it’s faith, not fact.

            Blind faith… sad.

          • Fundisi

            The Bible never calls for blind faith. God says come let us reason together, we can know God exists by His Creation, by the works of His Hands. We can and should look into the Bible and historical facts that lead us to knowing He is real and faith only bridges the gap between those facts and being able to empirically prove His existence. But, it requires an open mind and a person honestly seeking God and then he will reveal Himself to the honest seeker.

          • Andrew Klein

            Yet blind faith is all that can keep you as an adherent, save for fear perhaps. When evidence stares you in the face that the bible and this god business is fake, you’d rather walk away.

          • Fundisi

            To such as you it is said, only a fool in his heart believes there is no God.

          • Therese

            We are not called to “blind faith”. Evidence is all around you, if you will accept it. There are historians from the days of Rome that testify to Jesus and his death and to the faith of His followers. These include Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Celsus, Gaius Suetonius, Thallus, and others.

            The Universe and Creation itself testify of God. As Micheal Turner, an astrophysicist at the University of Chicago said of the earth, “The precision is as if one could throw a dart across the entire universe and hit a bulls eye one millimeter in diameter on the other side” – when speaking about how the earth has been specifically designed for human life and biogenesis, and regarding the arrangement of matter at the cosmic beginning; things like the speed of light, the gravitational pull, the rate of expansion of the universe. These things needed to so completely precise. If any of them were off even by a smidgen, we would not exist!

            Another evidence is Israel being established as a nation after almost 2,000 years of being dispersed into all the nations on earth. They have their language and religion intact – which was foretold by the prophets of old. No other nation has done this. Where are the Vikings? Dispersed to the nations and never came back to the established homeland.

            If you are brave enough, check out “Patterns of Evidence; The Exodus”. A documentary/movie that thoroughly examines the evidence for the Exodus.

            Once a person humbly calls out to God and asks Him to show Himself to Him, God will answer such a prayer. When He comes into a life and touches your inner being with His Presence, you will know that you know that He IS – that He IS, the Great I AM. Who He said He was.

          • Andrew Klein

            Faith. Belief without evidence. A truly dangerous status.

          • Gary

            You have misdefined faith.

          • purfekt10

            You, with your free will, have CHOSEN not accept God.

          • Pablo U Hunni

            Nothing blind about it! Just the opposite I once was blind but NOW I see.

          • Andrew Klein

            Yet you’re supposed to be his tools on earth. To go forth and take the book to the corners of the earth, and translate it to many tongues (despite the fact that it loses meaning in translation, but that’s for another time).
            I ask this question again. Is your god all-powerful?

          • Fundisi

            We take His Word to every human being, it is up to God to change hearts and he will protect the Gospel no matter the frailties of men. I have tried to openly, honestly debate such people as you, but as Gary also truthfully said, there comes a time when we must heed Jesus and stop casting pearls of Divine Wisdom before swine or giving spiritual foods to dogs, it serves no purpose.

          • Lisa

            You have not openly and honestly debated anyone you are kidding yourself! You attack and bully anyone who disagrees with you. You are really self deceived.

          • Fundisi

            Take your lies, turn to Jesus and ask Him to be your Savior and Lord and get back to me.

          • Lisa

            Why would I get back with you? You and God aren’t joined at the hip are you?

          • Fundisi

            Then please don’t!

          • Raymond

            Jesus would not give up teaching to the blind and deaf..then why would he give up on the stubborn and blinded. BTW…Why would a all knowing God send a creation (human) to somewhere like “Hell”… before he makes the human by knowing his or her fate? That to me is not benevolent God…kinda like a sand box game I use to play with plastic army men and set a fire to and knew there fate before hand.

          • Fundisi

            A. God does not send anyone to hell, through His Grace and our faith in Christ as our Savior, He has offered a free gift of salvation to every human being. Anyone going to hell, will go there because they, by their rebellion against Him, refused His salvation.

            B. He has made know the fate of every human being through His Word and by the many, many precious souls that have shared the Truth with every lost soul; and when the Word was not available or His children were not among them preaching the Gospel, He speaks to every human heart about His existence and for anyone that honestly seeks Him, He will answer them. So, by all these things men are without excuse.

            C. God has not given up on anyone, He appeals to every human heart, but when they reject those pleas, their hearts become hardened to His voice and they refuse to hear Him. God must allow us free will, as forced Love is not Love at all.

            In every way God has reached out to every human being and yet, He knows that most human beings will reject Him, being tares among the wheat, the tares (lost) subject to fire and destruction and the wheat (redeemed) will be taken into His Heavenly abode.

            God has pardoned us all, but a pardon is not a pardon unless it is accepted. Why blame God Who loves and Pardons us all, because so many souls will reject His Pardon?

          • Raymond

            God is supposed to be all knowing..so he knows before he makes a human their fate .. if that human is going to suffer forever or have bliss forever at his or hers death. Why create the human? To me that is the definition of “malevolent” behavior. You mentioned “free will” ..How is it free will when I call into question the actions of God..he gave me the brain to wonder and if I do wonder and go a different route he destroys me (Sodom and Gomorrah and the great flood) or sends me to eternal damnation for punishment for not following his path that he set out for me? Don’t use proverbs or scriptures to answer..speak with real world language in other words “your own words”. Intimidating or fear mongering to torture some one for eternally into believing in you is not “free will”…period.

          • Fundisi

            > If we break the law and commit murder, should we not expect that this free will action should result in the most severe punishment by society? In other words, when we establish laws among men, shouldn’t we suffer the just punishment for our actions, when we decide to break the law? If God tells us that our actions against His Laws will result in punishment, should we complain when we break those laws and then have to suffer the penalty?

            > God sends no one to hell, but by breaking His Law, by our free will choices, we should not complain when we suffer His Wrath, we made that choice, we are responsible for our fate. That is especially true when He offers us His Pardon and we reject it.

            > God only created Adam, after that every human being is procreated by our sexual conduct/choice. He must allow us free will, or He would be guilty of making mindless robots.

            > Ever choice is free will, it is our responsibility to make the right choices or suffer the consequences of bad choices. Yet, God says He is willing to rescue us from all those bad choices, to completely pardon us for all our sins – every one, but we must by our own will either accept or reject that pardon. That is hardly intimidation to offer to rescue you and hardly His fault if we say no and choose by such rejection – hell.

          • Raymond

            How is it free will ..if he already knows the out come..no matter what you do and fear monger the masses to believe in him?

          • Fundisi

            Okay, one last attempt to get you to understand what you do not understand at all.

            There was a story of a young man on death row for a heinous murder. His parents fought day and night for years to get his sentence reduced. This young man knew he was guilty and should rightly have feared the consequences of his acts. Yet, some time later in a most generous act of mercy, the Governor heard the parents appeal and did not just reduce the sentence, but he issued a full pardon, a pardon being a complete forgiveness of the crime, just as if he had never committed it at all. When told he was pardoned the young man, whether from guilt or the rebellious nature of his wicked heart, refused the Pardon, The warden informed the court that he refused to accept the Pardon. The judge then said, “A pardon is not a pardon, unless it is accepted.” So, the young man was rightly executed. The young man was guilty, he deserved to die, in an act of mercy he was forgiven, but refused that act of mercy and died.

            It is just like that here, you, as have all men, sinned against God, because He is the Great Judge of all men and had set the penalty as death (everlasting separation from God and conscious torment in hell). Yet, our Judge said to you and all men, me included, I will by My Mercy grant you a full pardon because Jesus paid for your sins, all of them. So, it is your free will choice, either accept the Pardon by faith and live or refuse it and go to hell. It remains your free will choice.

            End of discussion.

          • Raymond

            You still skated the question. How is it free will when the outcome is already known by God..he knows the future, right? He knows before he made you and I , that we are going to hell or not, right? Then why make us at all? Is God being entertained watching us struggle to live with and without sin in our non perfect lives? Those are some hard questions to answer.To be frank..that’s not the actions all loving benevolent God, to only create something knowing it’s going to suffer and burn in the end..very troubling thought if true.

          • Fundisi

            God does not make us, we come into the world by procreation, through the sexual relations that we know produces children. We produce those children by someone’s free will choice. It is not for you to Judge God, but if a farmer plants a crop, knowing weeds will grow among them and waits until harvest to separate the weeds from the wheat, it has nothing to do with being cruel or mean or uncaring, his concern is not to uproot the weeds at the expense of the wheat.

            No one must be lost, you choose to reject Him, it is your free will choice and you have no right to blame God because of your hard heart.

          • Raymond

            I grew up in the church believing God created every humans, beast and the heavens ..this includes “time” and he was “ALL” knowing.. includes him knowing the future and he knows what your going to do before you do it. He set paths for us to follow..even though we can stray from him. If you agree he knows the future.. why create a special being and know his fate could be doomed? Doesn’t make sense to me and this is some of the reasoning that lead me to get out the church. To many children suffer for no reason ..if he can stop it..STOP IT ..he is all loving ..right? But… he is hands off and watches innocent children get sexually abused, left to starve and diseased around the world. Why would any benevolent God do this..to punish the parents in some sort of way? Example of this is the story of Job is ridiculous crazy to strip his life and kill his family, live stock and diseased him and he is a loyal servant..over a bet with the devil to test his loyalty.. all the while knowing he wouldn’t….then why do that to him?….that’s screwed up..BIG TIME! If you accept that story as being OK and believe it’s true …well… You seem to be intelligent..you never thought of any varying glaring contradictions?..I bet so. I was always told he works in mysterious ways…that is a cop out response and just people stick their heads in the sand and are scare to question of fearing the pits of hell. In my opinion.

          • Raymond

            BTW..thank you for being respectful and debating this sensitive subject.

          • Fundisi

            To offer a truly satisfactory answer I would have to know the mind of God and to know His mind would make me equal with Him. So, pardon me but no matter how hard I try, nothing will ever satisfy you. God can answer you, but you turned your back on Him, didn’t you?

            Yes, God knows all things and He created Adam, the only creature He created uniquely, knowing he would fall into sin and bring death on the world. Why? Again, I cannot know the mind of God and my frail, very human answer will surely fail to satisfy you, but I will humbly try and answer as I see the matter, daring to trod where even angels fear to go, in hopes it will help someone with the same question.

            God is Love and true Love, selfless divine Love insists on sharing, on giving, it is the nature of Love. So, God in His Wisdom wanted to have children that He could Love and would love Him, as He said, beings created in His Own image. Yet, He could not force anyone to Love Him, real Love must be willing to let the object of their Love have the right to reject their Love, no one can love a robot that is programmed to Love them back. So, He created free will and a simple law, do not eat of the fruit of a single tree and yes He knew they would. Then he set man outside the Garden giving them a chance, by obeying Him to earn the right to get back into right relationship with Him, again knowing they would fail. Then He gave the the Law and said obey it perfectly and you will not die and you will gain heaven. Of course, that old free will raised its ugly head and no one could obey it perfectly. This as all part of His wonderful plan to show the utter impossibility of our ever being able to obey God and get back to that Garden (Paradise). Teaching man that they could not earn salvation was all pointed to that time when He would send His Son to obey God perfectly for us, on our behalf, credited to our account; and to pay the full penalty for our sins for us, that by accepting that gift we could all get back to that Garden and there we would having nothing to boast about before God, no glory for ourselves, and He would receive all the Glory, just as He wants all the glory for our being able to live the Christian life victoriously. Now, from all those that humbly cease their striving and just accept His free salvation, He would therein have a people that chose Him, that chose to Love Him and upon who He could bestow His blessings forever. He offers that salvation free to everyone, but He will not force it on anyone. Yet all through the centuries, among the tares (lost), He was growing a crop of glorious wheat (redeemed) a people for His Kingdom. Now you will hate it that He allowed the tares to grow and to be cast into the fire, but it was necessary that a people would among them grow unto Himself and be part of His eternal family.

            If along the way, the majority being rebellious souls, created a hell on earth by their sins and others are harmed thereby, that is the price of free will, He would not, absent prayer, interfere, He must allow everyone to determine their own destiny, while he cares for His own.

            Job, was a divine lesson for the world, yet did He not restore Job many times greater when he stood the test? It is a very practical, divine lesson that while we may suffer here that we might in Christ, in the hereafter our reward will make any loss here pale in comparison.

            There are no contradictions, only in the minds of those that do not know God, that have not His Spirit to discern truth.

          • Raymond

            It’s like holding a gun to some ones head and dare them to think other wise..think about it? Example..I steal food from the grocery store because I”m out of work and my children are hungry..go down the road and get hit by a car ..die instantly..forgot to ask for forgiveness..I go to hell. Is that a Hell’able punishment? By the Bible it is.

          • Fundisi

            If he had accepted God’s Pardon during the many years prior, despite his crime, he would have remained forgiven, a failure to repent would not have kept him from heaven.

          • Raymond

            The system that God put in place is flawed and way tilted against us. If God would show himself like he did in the Bible and his prophets predicting major events that come true…the whole world would take notice and most would believe. Why did he just write one book and stop? The future evolves and the rules should evolve..old testament vs. new testament and so fourth….what worked back then doesn’t work now..simple. So I guess all the people that died before hearing and learning about Jesus went to hell..ignorance is not excuse. Native Americans, Asians and most Africans..ect are damned for not believing a Jewish interpretation of God is ignorance in it’s own right and foolish to say.

          • Fundisi

            It is not flawed nor tilted against us, rather is is tilted for us. That is, knowing none of us could obey Him perfectly, which has to be the only right standard of obedience anywhere; God by His Mercy, in Christ, Who paid the penalty for our sins, offers us salvation without the law, as a gift, but that gift has to by faith be accepted or it has no value to our lives. If I promise you a million dollars and you know I have it to give and I place a check in your hands, if you refuse to cash it and die poor, that is your fault, not mine. You made that free will choice.

            There is no man that may be excused for lack of knowledge of God, the testimony of His existence is written in the stars, the works of His hands are evident to all. To all souls of any time or place that acknowledged God, sought Him with their whole hearts, He has and still will make Himself known to them. The fact that from the first so many souls have rejected God and scattered about the earth, taking their willful rebellion with them and teaching it to their children and leading them likewise away from God, is the fault of man, not God. He always stands ready to answer the open heart of any honest seeker.

          • Raymond

            If you have to fear a God to keep your morality in place..you don’t have any morality in the first place. Common sense will tell you that if you don’t want to be stolen from don’t steal from others..same goes for lying and killing ..ect.

          • Fundisi

            Please try that again, it was unintelligible, nonsensical.

          • purfekt10

            Yes, my God is all powerful, but he gave us free will to accept or reject Him. I chose to accept Him.

          • purfekt10

            God’s seed has been planted. Now, it’s up to the person to receive or not receive it.

          • Pablo U Hunni

            How can you believe in one? You obviously do or you wouldn’t have mention Yeti. God isn’t a myth, as evidenced by those who have met him personally. However those who reject him are blind to his truth and cannot see it no matter how we tell them.

          • pax2u

            Nieman/Fundisi will say that Gary is right,

            but remember that Gary also says that the Westboro Baptist Church is right in its hateful protests of soldiers who have died fighting for America,

            hate is not right, and neither is the bigotry of those who believe that they are “elect” and condemn all who do not agree with their hatred

          • Better AndBetter

            I know… I’ve seen Gary’s bitter old man act for a long time… he used to haunt the Christian Post but they finally banned him for giving christians a bad name.

          • Fundisi

            Gary may not be your cup of tea, but when you say he gives Christians a bad name, you are really saying “liberal minded Christians” that agree with you on every social/moral issue, you know a Christian Democrat that really has no faith at all.

            When you align yourself with pax2u and his lies, you only show the poverty of your own character.

          • pax2u

            do you also agree with Gary’s endorsement of the Westboro Baptist Church and its hatred of Soldier’s who died for America?

          • Gary

            Any soldier who thinks he has died for America in recent years has been deceived.

          • pax2u

            I forgive you for hating American Soldiers who fight for our Country

          • [email protected]

            Wow Fundisi, do you really know those guys well enough to pronounce them as lost without hope? I know that the “do not judge” admonition is used as a club to try and silence us, but the correct use of it means to not condemn when we do not know for a fact that someone is totally and finally lost.

          • pax2u

            Neiman, now known as Fundisi, thinks that he speaks for God, he has corrected the Bible to include the prophecy of Jesus Christ that St Peter would be “hung” up side down

          • Fundisi

            No I do not mean without hope, but by their words surely headed away from that hope.

          • [email protected]

            I’d say their ‘fruit’ is not encouraging, but it sounds like you are taking the full fledged leap to condemn them. I’d recommend nuancing your reply’s. And if you are here to discuss rather than pronounce condemnations, maybe you could dialog more and condemn them personally less.

          • Fundisi

            You mean like John the Baptist? “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?” Or when He called Herod and His wife adulterers? Or, Jesus, “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea
            and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte,
            you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.” Or, when Jesus kicked over the money-changers tables and drove them out with a whip of cords. I guess they need your counsel too?

            So, I am to follow you and not the examples of the Lord or His Prophet? Isn’t that you deciding how a person should reprove evil and in a way tolerating the same?

          • [email protected]

            John and Jesus knew (personally) who they were talking to when they spoke strong words of condemnation. Following Jesus isn’t just blindly mimicking some things he said. Jesus also spoke to people with non-condemnatory words – didn’t He?
            Ecclesiastes 3:1,7,8: There is a time for everything,…
            7 a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak,
            8 a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.

            Its up to you to prayerfully discern if you should speak condemning words to a particular person or to reason with them from the scriptures.
            In my experience people who refer to the quotes you used, often do so to justify their own bad temper and impatience with others. I hope you are not such a person.

          • Fundisi

            You are just as guilty of judging as you accuse others of doing, look in the mirror. You are attacking me as an enemy and defending those that are openly atheist and against Christ, so let us deal with the truth.

            So, John the Baptist personally knew everyone that came to him for baptism? Was he god as well? Was he being a good Christian as you define it?

            I would hate to have you for a cancer specialist. You would say, ‘Now you might have a fatal cancer and if you want to reject my diagnosis, I will just tamely submit and say be well and die.’ I hope if I ever need one he will be direct, bold, no nonsense and warn me most strongly I will die if I do not seek help.

            Okay, you and I are in opposition to each other, we will remain so because I must go with the light I have and speak the truth boldly, making it clear that others are playing with everlasting torments in hell if they continue on their path that a few might here and be saved. This is a blog and a distant as Paul would say, place for direct talk and strength in condemning sin; while in person as Paul said, I deal much more gently, seeking to build up and encourage my true brothers and sisters in Christ and to stand unmovable for the Truth to the lost. You don’t agree, you don’t like it, too bad, I am judged by God and He brings correction when I am wrong.

          • [email protected]

            Listen to yourself, “you are guilty” and “you are attacking me as an enemy”, “you don’t like it, too bad” – How does that attitude align itself with the attitude Jesus commanded us to have towards fellow believers in John 13:34 “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”This is not seeking to “speak the truth in love” Please just listen to your own words. This is not the Love of Christ you are sharing with me or with others.

          • Fundisi

            Look at yourself, you are dictating how I should respond. If you have determined I am not acting in love, then you are and must, according to Scripture, decide that I am no Christian, right? You have thus judged me, so why should you expect me to treat you as a brother?

            As you began by attacking me, is that the attitude of love?

            I have no idea if you are a brother or sister in Christ, I can only say you came here attacking me and defending known atheists and enemies of Christ, trying to force me to submit to you in how I respond to these people, your definition, your way is the only way to respond, in a saccharine sweet, super-tolerationist dealing with enemies of Christ.

            I trust in God, I take my attitudes to Him daily, even praying over everyone on this site, asking God to make me more compassionate, considerate and kind, but that is between Him and me and you certainly do not treat me as a brother, so you are judging falsely.

          • [email protected]

            I do not know you but I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are a fellow believer. I have addressed you gently per Gal 6:1-3 “Brothers,if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself.” If you think I am in error you should be likewise seeking to “restore [me] in a spirit of gentleness”. I was shocked to see you addressing unbelievers so harshly, as if that will win anyone over. I have dialogued with many atheists and have not encountered such a harsh spirit as you seem to be displaying even from them. Its true that strong words have their place, online and in person, but all I have seen from you is harshness. You unfairly say that my gentle words are attacks – but perhaps this is the Holy Spirit pricking your conscience. Think about it. Its too easy to be harsh. “”Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.”, 1 Cor. 10:32 “Give no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God”,
            You seem quick to take up an offense. Please ponder these verses:
            Pro 19:11 “Good sense makes one slow to anger, and it is his glory to overlook an offense.”
            James 1:19 “Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger”
            1 Peter 2:23 “When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly.”

          • Fundisi

            Okay, you may now go away and leave me alone.

          • [email protected]

            Matt 10:14 “And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave…”

          • Fundisi

            I already did against you, you just didn’t get the hint. Please stay with your atheist, Christ hating pals and leave me alone until you learn what those Scripture you posted really mean and stop judging Christians.

          • pax2u

            Gary pax2u an hour ago

            Any soldier who thinks he has died for America in recent years has been deceived.

          • James Grimes

            You said it very well. Thank you.

          • pax2u

            Gary agrees with the hate of the Westboro Baptist Church and supports a Facsist General Smedley Butler, so yes Gary does give Christians a bad name

            you are willing to support Gary and agree with his hatred as he hates the Catholic Church as you do too

          • pax2u

            do you hate American soldiers as much as your fellow bigot Gary?

            Gary pax2u • 15 hours ago

            Any soldier who thinks he has died for America in recent years has been deceived.

          • pax2u

            I notice some who will agree with Gary because they share his hate

          • The Last Trump

            You troll the Christian Post TOO!? Are you lost?

          • Gary

            Have you ever heard of General Smedley Butler? You should read what he wrote about war.

          • pax2u

            Have you heard of Judas who betrayed Jesus Christ?

          • pax2u

            In 1933, he became involved in a controversy known as the Business Plot, when he told a congressional committee that a group of wealthy industrialists were planning a military coup to overthrow Franklin D. Roosevelt, with Butler selected to lead a march of veterans to become dictator, similar to other Fascist regimes at that time.

          • Gary

            What did Butler say about war?

          • pax2u

            as a Fascist, much like Hitler?

          • Gary

            Butler was no Fascist. You need to be educated before you try to discuss something.

          • pax2u

            In 1933, he became involved in a controversy known as the Business Plot, when he told a congressional committee that a group of wealthy industrialists were planning a military coup to overthrow Franklin D. Roosevelt, with Butler selected to lead a march of veterans to become dictator, similar to other Fascist regimes at that time.

          • Gary

            Butler did not lead the march. He told FDR about the plot. And of course you have no clue what Butler said about war. You prefer ignorance.

          • pax2u

            Simultaneously with the rise of Hitler, the du Ponts in 1933 began financing native fascist groups in America, including the anti-Semitic and antiblack American Liberty League and the organization known as Clark’s Crusaders, which had 1,250,000 members in 1933. Pierre, Irénée, and Lammot du Pont and John Jacob Raskob funded the Liberty League, along with Alfred P. Sloan of General Motors. The League smeared Roosevelt as a communist, claimed the President was surrounded by Jews;

            The backers of the bizarre conspiracy selected a smooth attorney, Gerald MacGuire, to bring word of the plan to General Butler. MacGuire agreed Butler would be the perfect choice. Butler had attacked the New Deal in public speeches.

          • James Grimes

            Nice cut and paste job.

          • pax2u

            thank you,

            I see that your friend Gary supports fascists as well as the hate of the Westboro Baptist Church, both you and Gary have much in common with your hatred of others,

            you are “useless” and I will continue to pray to my Christian God Jesus Christ for your eternal soul, amen

          • James Grimes

            Paxy, you have many intellectual and moral problems. I hope you seek help for these. If you look inward and do a sincere self-evaluation, you will see that these are serious. Seek the Lord’s help and pray for release. Eternity is only a short time away. You want to spend it with Him.

            There is no need to respond.

          • pax2u

            I am very sorry for you, you need to post to yourself to find someone who accepts your hatred, you have Gary who hates American Soldiers, and Nieman/Fundisi who had to change his name when he lies about the Bible to support hatred of Christians

            I pity you and will continue to pray to my Christian God Jesus Christ for your eternal soul, amen

          • pax2u

            I see that you up voted Gary for his support of a Fascist who was the hero of anti Semites, makes sense in a very sad way

            Simultaneously with the rise of Hitler, the du Ponts in 1933 began financing native fascist groups in America, including the anti-Semitic and antiblack American Liberty League and the organization known as Clark’s Crusaders, which had 1,250,000 members in 1933. Pierre, Irénée, and Lammot du Pont and John Jacob Raskob funded the Liberty League, along with Alfred P. Sloan of General Motors. The League smeared Roosevelt as a communist, claimed the President was surrounded by Jews;

            The backers of the bizarre conspiracy selected a smooth attorney, Gerald MacGuire, to bring word of the plan to General Butler. MacGuire agreed Butler would be the perfect choice. Butler had attacked the New Deal in public speeches.

          • James Grimes

            You are a fool for cutting and pasting an article that you cannot possibly understand. Proverbs 26 : 4 prohibits me from engaging with fools. Good bye.

          • pax2u

            so you support fascists and anti Semites

            I will continue to pray to my Christian God Jesus Christ for your eternal soul, amen

          • Fundisi

            Trying the Bible is not enough, it is only words, the words of God to be sure; but, without our getting to a place wherein we can first truthfully acknowledge God’s existence, then see our need for repentance and a savior and humble ourselves before Him, we cannot receive His Spirit, without which no man can discern spiritual truth.

            It would be as Gary suggest a waste of time to show you any proofs at all, you would just deny them and pick them apart, because you have chosen to reject God and have no love of the truth. I apologize, I know that appears quite rude, but it is not just you, it is the truth about all men, they must heed God’s call while it is still light, but when they do not, they abide in darkness forever.

            So, I cannot help you, if you want the Truth, you must humbly turn to God and ask Him to show you the way and be ready to follow Him.

            “And I said to the man who stood at the gate of the year: “Give me a light that I may tread safely into the unknown.”

            And he replied:“Go out into the darkness and put your hand into the Hand of God. That shall be to you better than light and safer than a known way.”So I went forth, and finding the Hand of God, trod gladly into the night. And He led me towards the hills and the breaking of day, . . .”

          • Andrew Klein

            Actually, I don’t find it rude, I find it non-sensical.
            A question.
            Surely your god is all-powerful, correct?

          • Fundisi

            As I said and Gary suggested, your heart has turned against God and nothing short of a miracle or a catastrophe in your life will ever soften your heart and cause you to accept the Truth. So, I won’t waste my time playing your games.

          • Andrew Klein

            Games? You’re talking about my salvation, and you’re shirking your duty of the Great Commission.
            Wow. How Christian of you.

          • purfekt10

            You first have to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Then, you will be filled with the Holy Spirit so that you understand what you’re reading.

          • pax2u

            I pray that one day you will will accept Jesus Christ and become a Christian, amen

          • purfekt10

            Who are you to make this judgement?

          • pax2u

            it is not for me to judge, it is a prayer, I ask you to pray for me, as I will pray for you

          • Pablo U Hunni

            The Bible didn’t fail you did. By your own admission. You said you tried, you never said you submitted your will to Christ. We must repent, surrender ourselves, accept the gift be filled with the Holy spirit and apply that to our lives. Your conversion stopped short. Try again with sincerity, if you truly believe God will answer you.

          • Andrew Klein

            And that’s *exactly* what I thought I did for 11 years. And if that wasn’t being completely sold out, I don’t know what is.

      • Jeff Varney

        You first to shut up, Davisss!

    • Lisa

      Because of course before that there was no evil or sin?

      • Fundisi

        Your hate only betrays your own defective Christian theology, it says nothing about the truth.

        The truth is, before the lie of separation of Church and State, before you liberal minded, practical atheist people turned this nation against God and said He was persona non grata in the public square and in all the affairs of our nation; no one can question that despite our many sins, despite our many failures, as long as we honored Him, we were the most powerful, most materially blessed nation in all of human history. We were to the world the shining light upon the hill, a magnet to everyone in the world that wanted to breathe free and by hard work to prosper. Yet, when we turned away from God we immediately began a moral/spiritual implosion. The sexual revolution, the drug culture, riots, assassinations, the most unpopular war in our history and began our downward slide economically, militarily and in our respect in the world.

        Now we have become morally dissolute, spiritually dead and are committing national suicide. If you do not agree, tough, I don’t care, I have told you the truth.

        • Lisa

          Everything you say about me is not true.
          Is it really only now that we have become morally dissolute and spiritually dead? You have only told me the truth according to you. God’s kingdom is not yet, this nationalistic pride in being a so-called Christian nation is not realistic. God works in individual hearts and minds. There have always been the wheat and tares together.

          • Fundisi

            We have never officially been a Christian nation, but mostly until 1962 we were mostly a Christian people and thus a Christian nation in Spirit. I said anything about there never being evil in our country, that is more your evil twisting of words. I said that when we “honored” Him as our God, when we like the Founding Father’s feared His wrath and were mostly Christian, He blessed us; and, when this nation, including you, turned our back on Him as the sole Guarantor of our Liberty, He turned His back on us.

            You have no knowledge of God’s Word, Luke 17, “20Now
            having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; 21nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst [Or, within you in the KJV].” 22And He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it.…”

  • Spoob

    I hope he tries something, he’d be fired in a heartbeat, and that’s the best thing to have happen to someone who breaks the law.

  • James Grimes

    I see the Atheists are going to try to monopolize this discussion with their disgusting opinions. Please don’t give them any credibility by responding to their nonsense.

    • Better AndBetter

      Awwww… how cute!

    • Andrew Klein

      Well James, I must say. You’re an incredibly rude and disrespectful neighbor and countryman.

  • Better AndBetter

    Go for it! Then the federal government starts pulling federal $$$$$$, something Alabama is heavily addicted to.

    They’ll capitulate in no time flat.

    Good luck bigots!

    • Andrew Klein

      The thing is, I am not sure the money will make a difference. The south is okay with being akin to a 3rd world country; they are okay with having the worst environmental quality, teen pregnancy, school dropout rate, and a lot of negative stuff all on their own. They’re okay with that stuff. So making the situation worse is likely okay with them. As morbidly awful as that is.

      • Better AndBetter

        It will… just as Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Mississippi all had 55 MPH speed limits… because federal highway funding was yanked from states that didn’t comply. Guess what?

        All states came into compliance rather than lose the federal dollar.

        http://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

        Alabama is among the most dependent states regarding the federal teat… 49th out of 50 (with 1 being the least dependent, 50 being the most).

  • davisss13

    Roy Moore is a religious extremist who will not be happy until federal Big Pastor rules every single person in the US with an iron fist.

    • Gary

      I think Judge Moore just wants moral laws. Now Jesus, when he comes, will be more like what you described.

      • Better AndBetter

        What you call moral I call immoral.

        Your jesus is not our law.

        • Gary

          Yes, I know you call good evil and evil good.
          Jesus has his own laws, which you often break. But Jesus will administer justice to you soon.

          • Better AndBetter

            Uh-huh…

            And bigfoot cleans my carpets.

          • Gary

            The beauty of reality is that you can deny it all you want, but you can never change it. 🙂

          • Better AndBetter

            Reality can be proven.

            Can you prove anything from the bible, or must it be taken on faith?

          • Gary

            Reality is always proven. But not necessarily today. God is looking for people that will trust Him before they see ALL the evidence.

          • Better AndBetter

            No evidence… just blind faith.

          • Gary

            There is evidence. And faith is not blind.

          • Better AndBetter

            Yours is blind faith.

            You’ve put forward zero evidence to support that faith.

          • Gary

            My faith is not blind.
            If you want to consider the evidence, I suggest you read or listen to Frank Turek, or Ravi Zacharias.

          • Better AndBetter

            No Gary.

            I’m asking YOU.

          • Gary

            I gave an answer in another post.

          • Better AndBetter

            You gave me nothing but more words of men.

            Really? Wow.

          • Lisa

            What evidence are you looking for?

          • Better AndBetter

            Something that verifies that the bible is more than just words written by men.

          • Lisa

            What would that something be that you would accept?

          • Better AndBetter

            Something physical… testable… verifiable… repeatable.

          • Gary

            You would not believe the Bible no matter what evidence was presented.

          • Better AndBetter

            Well, since zero evidence has been presented thus far (aside from “we exist so sky daddy had to create us”), there’s nothing to believe.

          • Lisa

            And only if you had this proof then you would believe? And words by men won’t work?

          • Better AndBetter

            It would be true evidence… not faith.

            So, yes. I believe fire burns… cold causes water to freeze at 32 degrees F, depending on external pressure and other factors.

            These are facts… these are testable… these are repeatable.

          • Lisa

            And you don’t believe any words by any men then? Correct?

          • Better AndBetter

            When it comes to belief in the supernatural, you are correct.

          • Lisa

            And yet….. I like to read about history. I think it’s fascinating. However since I wasn’t actually there for most of it I have to have faith that what I’m reading is true. Then there are books that say one thing and books that say another. Same thing with the news. I read the news and have faith that they are telling me the truth. They seem to have the truth and verifiable proof…but o look so do these people over here. I liked also to collect quotes until one day a quote I liked was credited to 2 different people. Who’s the one who really said it? There are things that we just take on faith, more then just the supernatural.

  • James Grimes

    Christians have principle on their side. Christian principle is gained through God’s revelation through His Word. God’s Word is very specific on the teachings of marriage. Atheists, Liberals, and pseudo-Christians only have preferences. These preferences for same-sex “marriage” and other evils only indicate how depraved this society has become. There may be “marriage” licenses issued by the state, but these do not validate these indecent acts. Any decent person will repudiate this practice.

    • Better AndBetter

      And what will said repudiation affect?

    • Gary

      I think we need to understand that the US Government is corrupt. There is tons of evidence for that. We all just need to believe the evidence. When Jesus returns, he will overthrow the US Gov. and rule the world with a rod of iron, according to the Bible. No more ssm then. And no more homosexuals either. Or their supporters.

      • Better AndBetter

        2,000+ years of “jesus coming”.

        Why should we believe your statements are in any way factual?

        • Gary

          What you believe is a direct result of your not believing the Bible. If your beliefs are right, then you will live what time you have left and that will be the end of you. But if your beliefs are wrong, then things will turn out differently than you expect.

          • Better AndBetter

            Why do you believe the bible?

            It’s no different than other religious tomes… written by men to affect the thinking of other men.

            What evidence is there that it is any more (and if you’re going to mention “prophecy”, know that Nostradomaus was right more often than the bible).

          • Gary

            I believe God inspired men to write the Bible. If I thought the Bible was nothing more than the thoughts of men, I would not trust it.

          • Better AndBetter

            I asked why…

            Why do you believe that? What evidence is there to support it?

          • Gary

            Well, there is the fact that we are here, which proves the universe and life were created. Jesus Christ was seen and heard by real people. Those are but two examples of evidence.

          • Better AndBetter

            We are here because of FSM.

            Or maybe Vishnu… or Odin. You know, all the other creation myths?

            Being here proves them 100% as much as it proves yours. Seems you’ve made an arbitrary decision to choose one mythology over others that are just as realistic.

            Seen? Heard? Not one shred of evidence supports that, but even if it did… it doesn’t prove divinity.

          • Gary

            Then believe whatever you want. Makes no difference to me.

          • Michael Eade

            You are a fool if you believe the bible is the words of some deity that has never proven himself to exist.

            Besides look at the bible, Rape, murder, Genocide, slavery all these things are condoned within the bible do these sound like the words of someone worth listening to?

            Were i to stand on a stage and say all blondes because the dumb ones are a blight on humanity would i be a Saint or a madman?

          • KenS

            The bible has never, I repeat NEVER gotten a single prophecy Wrong!

          • Better AndBetter

            Uh-huh.

          • KenS

            nice comeback, how about you giving me an example of one that has been proven false, you cannot use ones that have not been fulfilled, because a set time has not been appointed for them to happen, only that they will happen. Jesus, himself fulfilled 33 prophecies while he was here on earth.

          • Better AndBetter

            It is SO easy to look BACK on history and say it’s right.

            It’s another to see all prophecy fulfilled… talk to me when the 2,000 year old “he’ll be back!” nonsense ends.

            I don’t believe Jesus fulfilled any prophecy.

            Believe what you will… but please don’t expect it to be enforced as law.

          • KenS

            What was that nonsense? If history records events happening exactly as a book that was written before said history, that is verifiable proof that the prophecy was fulfilled. Then if that same book that has verifed proof of fulfilled prophecy makes another prophecy that something is going to happen sometime in the upcoming future, then the logical thing to do would be to believe that the event will eventually happen.

            i was responding to your remark about the prophecy in the bible, i was not making any argument for it to be enforced as law, how or what did you think I was trying to have enforced? Maybe that people should be looking to the eastern sky for his return and if they don’t look every day they should be fined? lol,,, what could i have possibly been trying to enforce?

        • Andrew Klein

          Ah, the threat of Pascal’s Wager is strong with Gary. Can’t even argue for the existence of his god without committing logical fallacies.
          Better’s right. 2,000+ years of this. It’s time to move on as a society.

  • Andrew Klein

    The Constitution is entirely secular. Not only does it not endorse a religion, but it does not even mention “god” at all. What the Constitution does state is that the government of the United States, including the states who must abide by the Constitution first and foremost (See Supremacy Clause), can not endorse a religion over any others. Refusing to allow people to follow their non-conservative religious beliefs is a direct violation of the Constitution.

    The Federal government is not overreaching on this one, as they have in the past. They
    are merely ensuring that states with reputations for discriminating against non-WASPs get held in check. This blowhard from the Alabama Supreme Court is out of his mind. Going rogue because you’re called out for being a hateful crappy human being?

    • Gary

      Then there should be no qualifications for marriage since anyone can claim what they want to do is part of their religion.

      • Andrew Klein

        Yup. Exactly. As long as it’s between two competent and consenting adults, the state should have no bearing on who gets married, or to who.
        Thanks for summarizing and proving the point Gary. There’s hope for you yet.

        • Gary

          If it is a matter of religion, the age of the participants should not matter to the government. By the way, I don’t agree with your premise.

          • Andrew Klein

            We have laws to protect children and the mentally unfit per scientifically grounded standards for behavior and maturity.

            As for the fact that you don’t agree with my premise. Whether or not you agree is of no consequence to me. I want to believe and know as any true things and as few false things as possible. If you don’t have a logical and sound argument to push back with, back away slowly and bite your tongue. If you do, present it in a polite, logical, and factual manner so I may consider it. I could be wrong. It takes evidence to convince me that I am though.

          • Gary

            My argument for heterosexual marriage is that God invented marriage, and designed it to be the union of a man and a woman. That is the only arrangement I want the government to recognize, if it is going to be involved in marriage. If the government is not going to be involved, then people can have whatever arrangement they want, as long as no one has to approve of it.

          • Better AndBetter

            Your god is not necessary in civil marriage.

            Simple fact.

          • Andrew Klein

            Your god did not invent marriage. Societies and cultures that pre-date Judo-Christian times in Africa, far Asia, and even the Americas had examples of governmental, religious, or cross-weaved marriages.

            https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080929212636AAXKa1D

            Facts Gary, we make decisions based on facts.

          • Gary

            God invented marriage when he made Adam and Eve, the first two people on earth. That is a fact.

          • Better AndBetter

            Nope.

            There’s zero mention of that in US law.

            THAT is a fact.

            (PS: Are you OK with the offspring of Adam and Eve, and later Noah, being so incestuous?)

          • BarkingDawg

            I bet you think Adam and Eve were white as well.

          • Gary

            I don’t know. It does not matter.

  • Gary

    It is going to require force to stop ssm.

    • MattFCharlestonSC

      PLEASE, attempt to FORCE the government not to accept my marriage. In fact, I wish you would try to FORCE me to to do anything.

      • Gary

        All in good time.

        • MattFCharlestonSC

          I look forward to it.

        • SammySeattle

          Empty threats.

  • Michael Eade

    So America is only land of the free if you are:
    1. Heterosexual
    2. Middle class and upwards
    3. Christian

    Unless you are one of those then I guess “human rights” and “equality” do not apply

    • Gary

      Homosexuals have the same right to marry that I do, as long as they meet the same qualifications that I have to meet. Isn’t that fair?

      • Andrew Klein

        No they don’t? Not in the government’s eyes. You just flat out lied Gary. How very Christian of you.

        • Gary

          It is not my fault if the government is wrong.

      • MattFCharlestonSC

        You just keep singing that same tired song Gary.

      • Michael Eade

        And what qualifications would that be an A in how to be a mindless sheep? Maybe Genocide 101?

  • [email protected]

    Judge Moor is right. We are a nation of sovereign states, not just one big American ‘state’. If the citizens amend their constitution it should stand on its own without being tossed out by liberal activist judges.

  • SFBruce

    Roy Moore is a judicial activist; he believes his views trumps everyone else’s. This isn’t the way our justice system was designed to work, and he should be removed from office. When the sitting Chief Justice of a state supreme court advises his governor, on official letterhead, to ignore rulings from federal courts, he crosses a line.

    • Better AndBetter

      And that’s why a complaint has already been filed against him for ethics violations. Same thing that got him booted from the Alabama Supreme Court in 2003. Due to lax election laws, he was voted back onto the bench in 2012.

    • Gary

      Federal judges are required to follow the US Constitution. When they don’t, as is true with ssm, then their rulings are invalid.

  • gregkliebigsr

    AMEN, THANK YOU JUDGE MOORE!

    DO NOT ENDORSE HOMOSEXUALITY!!!

    Micah 6:8. He hath shewed thee, O MAN, what is GOOD ; and what doth THE LORD REQUIRE OF THE , but to do JUSTLY, and to LOVE MERCY , and TO WALK humbly WITH THY GOD !

    WE AS A NATION MUST NOT , CAN NOT AND SHOULD NOT ENDORSE SIN OR A SINFUL LIFESTYLE !

    WE MUST NOT GIVE SPECIAL PRIVILEDGES TO THOSE WHO HAVE CHOSEN A LIFE CONTRARY TO THE WORD OF GOD!

    OUR GOD HAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER BLESS SIN !

    SIN CHOSEN, BRINGS A CURSE AND DEATH !

    THAT DEATH IS SEPARATION FROM OUR GOD !!

    Micah 6:8. He hath shewed thee, O MAN, what is GOOD ; and what doth THE LORD REQUIRE OF THE , but to do JUSTLY, and to LOVE MERCY , and TO WALK humbly WITH THY GOD !

    JESUS CHRIST, BECAME THE SPOTLESS LAMB OF GOD AND TOOK YOUR SIN!! JESUS CHRIST , GAVE HIS LIFE SO YOU COULD LIVE ETERNALLY!
    JESUS PAID FOR ALL SIN ,BY HIS BLOOD !
     

    Romans 10: 13. For WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be SAVED.

    HOMOSEXUALITY IS SIN !! JUST REPENT OF YOUR SIN CALL ON THE LORD AND HE WILL FORGIVE YOU!

  • Pat Frederickson

    Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore, A.K.A. The Honorable Ten Commandments, should be reminded of a little thing called Separation of Church and State. #EqualityNow Don’t like gay marriage? Don’t get one.

    • Gary

      What is the Constitutional requirement for legal ssm?

  • William Tyndale

    One of the few admirable men or women sitting anywhere in this nation on any high court. God Bless Justice Roy Moore.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Yes. It’s a “legal” tyranny by the activist judges which is actually illegal because tyranny is against the truth, liberty and the will of the people. What a judge has to promote Sodomy is to simply say, “It’s unconstitutional.” Educated or uneducated, who can’s say that? People must not be forced to endorse homosexuality. Sin is sin, and the truth from the Holy Bible is what all people freely need to hear. If secularists are claiming that truth does not exist, they are the ones to be silenced, not the religious people. America must not bow to tyranny.

  • dark477

    And it looks like the SPLC is fling a judicial ethics complaint against this joker. Here’s hoping it works.

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/splc-files-ethics-complaint-against-alabama-chief-justice-roy-moore-over-pledge-to

  • thoughtsfromflorida

    What a loony this guy is. Wow. He suggests that the state should continue to enforce a law declared unconstitutional. I wonder if he would issue the same advice regarding a city or county law that the Alabama Supreme Court – of which he is a member – declared to be unconstitutional?

    • Gary

      The Alabama law is not unconstitutional. The federal judge’s ruling is what is unconstitutional.

      • Better AndBetter

        What part of the constitution did the judge’s ruling violate?

        • Gary

          The judge claimed the state law violates the US Constitution when clearly it does not. The judge lied about the content of the Constitution. Federal judges are supposed to be bound by the US Constitution. It is clear to me and many others that many federal judges do not see themselves as bound by the Constitution, and that is why they make bad rulings.

          • Better AndBetter

            What part of the constitution did the judge violate?

            You claim it’s unconstitutional… what part of the constitution was violated?

          • Gary

            The judge claims that the 14th Amendment is violated by limiting marriage to a man and a woman. Clearly, that is not true. That means the judge has lied about what the Constitution says. If there was such a thing as justice anymore in the American system, the judge would be impeached for lying about the content of the Constitution.

          • Better AndBetter

            Nothing unconstitutional in anything you’ve said there.

            Specifically, what part of the constitution did the judge violate?

            You made the claim, but keep refusing to list where she violated the constitution.

            Lying is not a violation of the constitution (in fact, it’s only your opinion… ~66 judges agree with her, not you).

          • Gary

            Lying about what the Constitution says isn’t a violation of a federal judge’s oath? Then if the judges can just make it up as they go, the Constitution really is not needed.

          • Better AndBetter

            1. There is no lie. There are findings Gary doesn’t like.

            2. No violation of the constitution has taken place.

      • SFBruce

        And the state can appeal it; what it can’t do is ignore it.

      • SFBruce

        And the state can appeal it; what it can’t do is ignore it.

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        “The Alabama law is not unconstitutional.”

        What is your legal basis for that conclusion?

        “The federal judge’s ruling is what is unconstitutional.”

        What part of the constitution is violated by the judge’s ruling?

        • Gary

          My legal basis is the US Constitution which does not require that ssm be legal.
          Federal judges are supposed to be bound by the US Constitution. When they lie about what the Constitution says, which is what happened in this case, then they have violated their oath and abused the Constitution.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “My legal basis is the US Constitution which does not require that ssm be legal.”

            That is not the legal argument. The legal argument is whether laws which restrict the right to citizens to enter into civil marriage violate the 14th amendment’s protection of equal treatment under the law. The judiciary has ruled that they do. No judge has said that the constitution contains an explicit right for two citizens of the same gender to enter into marriage, therefore no judge has “lied” about the constitution.

    • Better AndBetter

      He’s been fired once already… this is just setting him up for the unemployment line all over again.

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        He’s already backtracking.

  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

    From our present-day view of this issue one can praise God for Judge
    Moore’s intent and only hope he’s successful. However, in the greater
    scheme of things, there’s much more going on here that also merits our
    attention.

    Most conservative patriots (including most
    conservative Christians) would agree that constitutionally this issue is
    one for the States to decide. WHAT? This issue was already decided
    before time by the only one with the innate authority to do so: Our
    Creator and Sovereign, identified in the Bible as Yahweh. To do anything
    other than to recognize His determination on this issue is to reject
    His sovereignty.

    Whether left to the federal supreme court, the
    state supreme courts, the federal or state “legislatures,” or the
    people by vote (most of whom will adjudicate, legislate, and vote
    contrary to Yahweh’s determination),
    it’s a contemporary instance of every man doing that which is right in
    his own eyes, per Judges 21:25. In other words, thanks to the late
    18th-century founders, it’s a case of rank humanism, which is merely a
    contemporary form of Baalism.

    For more, see blog article “Could You be a Disciple of Baal and Not Know It?” at http://www.constitutionmythbusters.org/could-you-be-a-disciple-of-baal-and-not-know-it/.

    Also, online Chapter 6 “Article 3: Judicial Usurpation” of “Bible Law
    vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective” at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/BlvcOnline/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt9.html.

  • sahana64

    Moore said, “As Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, I will continue to recognize the Alabama Constitution and the will of the people as overwhelmingly expressed in the Sanctity of Marriage Amendment.”

    Commander in Chief Roy Moore, 2016!!

    • Gary

      I wish that were possible, but it isn’t. The criminals who run the country would never allow it.