Obama: ‘My Faith Has Been Questioned By People Who Don’t Know Me’

ObamaNEW DELHI, India — While speaking on the last day to his trip to India, Barack Obama urged acceptance of religious pluralism in the nation, adding on a personal note that sometimes his profession of Christianity is questioned and that he is instead thought to be a Muslim.

“Our nations are strongest when we see that we are all God’s children—all equal in His eyes and worthy of His love,” he stated to approximately 2,000 youth gathered at the Siri Fort auditorium.

“Across our two great countries, we have Hindus and Muslims, Christians and Sikhs, and Jews and Buddhists, and Jains, and so many faiths,” Obama continued. “And we remember the wisdom of Gandhi, [who said], ‘For me, the different religions are beautiful flowers from the same garden, or they are branches of the same majestic tree.'”

He said that freedom of religion is enshrined in both America’s and India’s Constitutions.

“Your Article 25 (of the Constitution) says that all people are ‘equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to profess, practice and propagate religion,'” Obama noted. “In both our countries—in all countries—upholding this fundamental freedom is the responsibility of government, but it’s also the responsibility of every person.”

He stated that while he and his wife identify as Christians, at times those who are not close to the first family question their Christianity, indirectly referring to the suspicion of some that he is really a Muslim.

“In our lives, Michelle and I have been strengthened by our Christian faith,” Obama remarked. “But there have been times that my faith has at times been questioned by people who don’t know me or they’ve said I adhere to a different religion—as if that were somehow a bad thing.”

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He then suggested that Muslims are “betraying” their faith by engaging in violent activity.

“Around the world, we’ve seen intolerance and violence and terror by those who profess to be standing up for their faith but are instead betraying it,” Obama said. “No society is immune from the darkest impulses of men, and too often religion has been used to tap into those darker impulses as opposed to the light of God.”

In making his point, he also referenced the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting of 2012, which took the lives of both Americans and Indians.

“Every person has the right to practice their faith how they choose, or to practice no faith at all, and to do so free from persecution and fear and discrimination,” Obama stated, being met with applause. “The peace we seek in the world begins in human hearts, and it finds its glorious expression when we look beyond any differences in religion or tribe, and rejoice in the beauty of every soul.”

“And no where is that more important than India,” he said. “India will succeed so long as it is not splintered along the lines of religious faith.”

Even before first being elected as president in 2008, Obama made clear in his platform that he advocated for religious pluralism. He has annually released statements for a variety of religious holidays since taking office, including Ramadan, Diwali and Hannukah.


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  • Gary

    I won’t say I know what religion, if any, is Obama’s, but I do know for certain that it is NOT Christianity.

    • Lupe

      Well he did say he is a muslim. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

      • Spoob

        Yes, that’s why he killed Bin Laden.

        • Gary

          Bin Laden was killed to protect those who are really responsible for 9/11.

          • Spoob

            Why is everything you say completely bananas?

          • Gary

            It isn’t. Your irrationality prevents you from accepting the truth.

          • Spoob

            I’m being serious Gary, everything out of your mouth sounds like a conspiracy theory from hell. You ought to go and see a psychiatrist, you’re a loony.

          • Gary

            Your refusal to accept the truth falls solely on you. It is your fault. You are ignorant, and you don’t even know just how ignorant you are.

          • Donna Thorne

            I smell a shill

          • Spoob

            Him or me? I don’t even live in the US.

          • Liz Litts

            Like my mother used to say-when you point the finger at someone else four are pointing back at you! It’s usually the ‘loonies’ that accuse others of being that way.

          • Spoob

            Careful Liz. You are defending a madman who just yesterday said a God was a bigot.

          • Jimmy Johnston

            IF he is a Follower of the one true God and believes Jesus was his son and came to earth to die on a cross for our sins and three days later he rose from the dead…If that is what he believes in….then he is not doing a very good job. The things he stands for (this article here being a great example) are not of God.

          • Jimmy Johnston

            IF he is a Follower of the one true God and believes Jesus was his son and came to earth to die on a cross for our sins and three days later he rose from the dead…If that is what he believes in….then he is not doing a very good job. The things he stands for (this article here being a great example) are not of God.

          • BarkingDawg

            Oh, you’re a truther as well?

            Why am I not surprised.

          • Gary

            I like the truth.

          • BarkingDawg

            Do you also think that the moon landing was a hoax?

            What about Pearl Harbor? Was that an FDR conspiracy?

            How far down the rabbit hole are you?

          • Gary

            I have learned, by painful experience, that the government frequently lies.

          • The Last Trump

            Not so far as to actually believe that there is no God or that sexual perversion is an acceptable “alternative lifestyle”.
            I know, right! Talk about sheer stupidity.

          • James Grimes

            There is TRUTH and there are truths. One is always the same and comes from God. The others change at man’s whim.

        • Lupe

          Yup. Liar and hypocrite.

        • KenS

          Did he pull the trigger? No, a navy seal did, who was finishing a mission started by President Bush, that was at most given the green light to continue by President Obama most likely to keep up appearances.

          • Spoob

            Obama isn’t a Muslim for God’s sake. How ridiculous.

          • KenS

            i was replying to Obama killing bin laden, I did not comment on whether or not he is a Muslim, but if the shoe fits!

  • Spoob

    If you admit that you don’t know what religion he is, then you DON’T know it’s not Christianity.

    • Gary

      Not true. I have seen enough evidence from Obama to know that his religion is not Christianity.

      • Spoob

        I’m going to take him at his word. He knows better than anyone else.

        • Douglas

          Actions speak louder than words.

          • Spoob

            Yes they do. I have seen pictures of him in his (Christian) church. And of his pastor.

          • Douglas

            I said actions, not pictures. Taking a picture of someone in a church does not make that person a Christian. Even the act of attending a church service does not make someone a Christian. You have to dig a little deeper than that.

            I’m not here to attack Obama or tell you what his faith is, but I believe it’s clear to see what it is not. Many people profess to be Christians but sadly they do not follow Christ or believe in the Bible.

          • Spoob

            In the real world as we know it, when someone is seen and photographed taking part in a Christian worship service in a Christian church, it is safe and logical to assume they practice Christianity.

          • Gary

            No it isn’t. You would never say such a thing if you understood what a real Christian is.

          • Spoob

            I understand what a Christian is. I DO possess a dictionary.

          • Gary

            No, you don’t. You are even so confused that you think you are a Christian. And you are not.

          • Spoob

            Gary, I know what I am and what I believe. You do not know the first thing about me. Stop saying stupid things.

          • Gary

            You have revealed a lot about yourself. You have proven that you are not a Christian.

          • Spoob

            So have you. You have revealed that you’re crazy, but I still think you are a Christian. A very sadly mistaken Christian about a lot of things, someone who really doesn’t understand very much about Christianity, but if you call yourself a Christian, who am I to say you aren’t?

          • Beleaguered

            You are saved from the time you ask Jesus into your heart

          • The Last Trump

            Wow. Poor Spoob. Seriously. It’s actually hard to watch you struggle against the vast tide of loving Christianity here with your apostate teachings and hate for the Bible, desperately lashing out at all the fundies in futility.
            Everyone here has stood shoulder to shoulder, unified in their defense of such crystal clear Bible doctrine, but you just won’t have it! Everybody else is somehow deluded, but you know better than the rest! Well, I won’t bother to add just another voice AMONG SO MANY while you are so caught up in battle with so great a number of people. You are obviously very busy right now telling the vast majority here just how wrong they, and the Bible, truly are.
            As you were, Spoobs. Good luck little buddy. (…so sad…just so darn sad to watch…) 🙁

          • Spoob

            Yes, LOL, really “loving” Christianity here, Gary boy is telling me nonstop that I’m going to hell simply because I disagree with him. I have no apostate teachings and certainly no hate, I’m the one telling YOU guys to drop the hate.

            Everyone here standing “shoulder to shoulder” as you put is is a far right, American styled evangelical fundamentalist Christian. You are loud but you are minority. This site is tailor made for people like you. Its very headlines can’t even say gay marriage, they say gay “marriage”. It doesn’t say the pope, it says the “pope”. In the real world people don’t use these disapproving quotation marks when they are superfluous and ridiculous. Gary boy just yesterday said without a hint of irony that God is a bigot. But I’m the sad one? Give your head a shake, Trumpy.

          • The Last Trump

            🙁 You don’t have to play the victim, Spoobs. Your the one who’s trolling a Christian website making nasty little comments about Christians and acting surprised at their reactions. Sucker for punishment or addiction to arguing? I’m sure there’s lots of sites you could be visiting where other Christian bashers and twisters of scripture like to gather and squeal with excitement about how things are getting “better” for sexual free for alls! Nobody’s keeping you here bud. Just your own misguided “mission” to re-educate us fundies and push your intolerant agenda where it is not wanted. How’s that working out for ya? Any converts yet? (Wouldn’t hold your breath).

          • Spoob

            Trolling? No, that’s not what I’m doing at all, Trumpy. I’m making a very honest effort to understand how people like you who call themselves Christians can have gotten it so completely wrong, so utterly backwards, who can take this wonderful positive loving message of Jesus and turn it into hatred, attacking, judging, intolerance, small-mindedness, narrow-mindedness, mocking, belittling, bullying and so on. The total and complete opposite of who Jesus was and what he wanted. Most of the big denominations understand it and get it right. And yet they are the ones you judge, hate, call false and “apostate”. I really am struggling to understand in what sense you can call yourself Christian at all. Sure, you can quote a few Bible verses, but when you misunderstand and corrupt their meanings, what good has it done you at all?

            But I shouldn’t be surprised, you think sodomy is only practiced by homosexuals, that Obama is a Muslim, that Catholics worship rocks and are not Christians, and that homosexuals should be stoned to death and they don’t actually love each other, they just abuse each others’ bodies with mindless, meaningless bonking and do it for the sole purpose of offending God. I mean, to call you unreasonable is the understatement of the year. You’re out of your tiny little mind.

          • KenS

            No it is not, My church alone has several visitors every Sunday that are not Christians, they may become one before the end of the service, or they may listen to the sermon and still go home unsaved. Attending a Christian Service and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, his death, burial, and resurrection for the remission of your sins are 2 completely separate things.

          • Spoob

            A vast majority of Christians don’t believe you can call yourself “saved” until after you die. That includes the bulk of Christians, including Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, Episcopalians, and others. So are you going to tell me that based on this, all those groups, LONG established as Christians, are NOT Christians?

          • KenS

            What? I have never heard of this nonsense, what are you talking about? It is common, i mean common knowledge that you have to be saved to be a Christian.

          • Spoob

            So typical, you think the born again “saved” Christians are the ONLY Christians. The major denominations don’t walk around arrogantly calling themselves “saved”. That’s just the Fundie crowd who does that.

          • The Last Trump

            ? Yikes! You really would have enjoyed, and likely voted for, 1930’s Adolf Hitler. Doesn’t take much to fool you does it? Mere words and a simple picture seals the deal for Spoobs! Good thing Christians are a bit more careful thanks to the very wise warning from our Lord and Saviour about what to actually watch for. (It’s in the Bible Spoob! Great stuff. Just skip over or “interpret” away all of those many passages that condemn homosexuality as a perversion of our Creator’s design for procreation, marriage and family. I’m sure He won’t mind.)

          • Spoob

            You’d probably score a few more points if you dropped the patronizing amused to death routine. I don’t think the president is out to fool or hoodwink anyone and I don’t think God is warning us about him pulling the wool over anyone’s eyes. By the way,which of the 30 thousand plus interpretations, or denominations, if you prefer, do you belong to? I’m going to guess a nice non-denom church that sets homosexuals on fire.

          • The Last Trump

            You don’t think? It would seem you just don’t know. Clearly too busy trolling Christian websites to bother to pay any attention. Oh well. Some folks like to stay informed. Some like to play “Christian”. To each there own. (Oh, and I seem to be scoring plenty! But hey Spoob. It’s not about winning or losing little buddy. Don’t let all my of up votes get you down. I’m sure the folks over at the Gay Times regularly up vote your hateful, bigoted comments directed at Christians on this site 🙂

        • Gary

          I’m taking his word. And his behavior. That is why I know he is not a Christian.

          • Tyler Mitchell

            Obama is an universalist just as Bush Jr,Clinton,and Bush Sr were.Need to understand what that word means.None of those listed are Biblical Christians.

          • Gary

            You think none of them believe they are going to Hell?

          • Spoob

            Why Gary, because he hasn’t turned the U.S. into a fundamentalist Christian theocracy?

          • Gary

            Christians believe the Bible. Obama does not believe the Bible. Neither do you.

          • Spoob

            You tried this before too, Gary. You were wrong then and you are wrong now. I believe in the Bible. I don’t believe in your crazy, violent, hateful, intolerant take on it. You’re off your rocker, Gary.

          • Gary

            You believe in the Bible? What does that mean? Can you reference a Bible verse or passage that you believe?

          • Spoob

            The part after “in the beginning” and before “lest I smite the earth with a curse.”

          • The Last Trump

            You got that right! Islam, however is well on its way to a fundamentalist theocracy. I hope you LGBT supporters like Allah! Already overrunning a town near you! 🙂

        • The Last Trump

          …Or, you could do some research and then repost what you find. Seriously. He’s supplied a tonne of evidence over the past six years to conclusively verify his Muslim faith. No kidding. Or hey, you can just take him at his word. Might want to see the looooooong list of things he’s already been caught outright lying about first though. You know, “If you like your plan you can….” …I think you get the picture. Fines, handcuffs and actual jail time for not changing your plan. Taking THIS guy at his word can land you in jail.

          • Spoob

            No credible source online says anything about him being Muslim. I only read that from conspiracy theorists and YouTube morons.

          • The Last Trump

            Just I thought. Facts not important when they threaten your opinion. As you were then. Leave the facts to the researchers to bother with.

          • Spoob

            You are welcome to find me some facts Trumpy. I couldn’t find any, but you being God’s BFF should have no trouble at all.

          • The Last Trump

            In the Bible, Spoob. Ya just gotta read the Bible. No? Won’t have it? Too pro traditional marriage and family? Too anti-sexual perversion? I guess you’re right. What would YOU want with a book like that. 🙁

          • Spoob

            Thanks, you actually made me laugh out loud. Are you ACTUALLY insane, or are you now going to tell me there is a Bible passage that proves Obama is a Muslim?

            Here’s a tip about your Bible. Don’t use it to talk about 20th century events. Pretty sure you won’t find them in there.

          • The Last Trump

            Won’t find 20th century events in the Bible!!?? Wow. Can you actually be any more UN-CHRISTIAN? Do you actually know anything about the Bible, WHATSOEVER? Let’s see. Israel a nation again after over 2000 years, the reunification of Jerusalem, Israel surrounded by her enemies who are committed to her destruction and the capture of Jerusalem, an apostasy (“falling away”) of the CHURCH, (um, HELLO!) sexual anarchy and rampant godlessness, pending financial collapse, and biotechnology that can control buying and selling. Yeah, you’re absolutely right, “Christian”. Nothing to see here. Too busy pushing the LGBT agenda to be paying any attention to what’s going on around you, eh? Back to sleep… (Man, you are in worse shape that I thought! Seriously dude. Crack open that Bible and start reading. Just how many things are you trying to be wrong about?!)

          • Spoob

            No, I think you will find that the Bible doesn’t get revised every couple of years to keep it topical and relevant. You have in fact listed a bunch of things that are very easily explained away, and in the process you conveniently ignored your original claim that Obama being a Muslim was mentioned in the Bible. I think you know that is a blatant and ridiculous lie, and that’s probably why you said no more about it. Seriously dude. I am not interested in pushing any LGBT agenda because there isn’t one, and I’m not interested enough anyway. All I’m saying is leave them alone. Do you think you can manage that, or is there a great huge need on your part to bash them over the head with your Bible some more?

          • The Last Trump

            I was referring to FACTS in the Bible, not Obama, confused one. Chalk it up to just another one of many of your interpretation errors.
            Bunch of things that are easily explained away, eh? Do tell, oh wise one! Go ahead. We’re all ears.

          • Spoob

            Well the next time you plan to arbitrarily change the subject, maybe tell me so I’ll know not to expect anything logical from you in terms of the conversation in progress. Although in this case, I’m inclined to agree, it’s not a matter of interpretation, it’s a matter of you being so out to lunch on ANY matter involving the Bible that it’s a wonder you can read at all.

            Finally, here. Do your OWN homework.
            http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Failed_biblical_prophecies

          • The Last Trump

            Thanks Spoobs! Listen, I’d love to stay and absorb some more of your hate but I have to go and actually put into practice some Christianity. You know, love my neighbour (not sexually now, confused one), help out other folks in need, SUPPORT TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE AND FAMILY. You know, basic Christian stuff. Plus I feel like I am hogging all of your anger and hate. I really should be sharing you with the group. So have at em, Spoobs! Spread the hate little buddy! I’ll check back in with you tomorrow and say hello. Good night, bud! God loves you, you little nut job you! 😉

          • Spoob

            You like that word “confused,” don’t you? And yet your posts are so completely disjointed and irrational and you make no attempt to clarify your rantings whatsoever. Sorry, my self-absorbed playing-to-the-crowd fundie wacko, you are trying wayyyy too hard to find support for your pointless hatred and vitriol.

            How do you plan to love your neighbor tonight, Trumpy? Off to a KKK rally? Gonna burn a couple crosses, shoot a couple homos?

          • The Last Trump

            I’m dying here! Too funny, Spoobs!…ahhh,…”shoot a couple of homos”! Killin’ me!

          • Spoob

            Yeah, you’re right. I’m sure you’d much rather torch a pride parade.

          • The Last Trump

            Not necessary. My Bible teaches that “PRIDE goes before a fall.”
            Enjoy your parade.

          • Spoob

            It also teaches “judge not, lest ye be judged” and “let he who is without sin cast the first stone,” but I guess those don’t apply to you either.

          • pax2u

            I succeeded in forcing the hypocrite twins to slither back under their rocks when exposed to truth

            Neiman/Fundisi who had to change his name when he was caught lying about the Bible to support another hate filled anti Catholic,

            and James Grimes who now says that he has a denomination but is embarrassed and ashamed to name it, poor Jimmy now needs to post to himself, I think that is a sign of his mental insecurity

            but they both support the manic and violent Gary, who wants an armed revolution, crazy Gary who supports the hatred of the Westboro Baptist Church when they protest the funerals of Soldiers who died fighting for America, and now Gary has a hero, a General that was part of an anti Semitic fascist group,

            wow, these three are really are the “useless” , the lunatic fringe

          • Spoob

            It is strange that the fundamentalists are the loudest and most obnoxious Christians. You would never know how outnumbered they are by reading message forums. They are like the online version of streetcorner preachers who scream at passersby with a bullhorn that they will be going to hell. Can’t bear people like that. At least atheists are quiet and tend to mind their own business.

          • pax2u

            they are louder than their numbers, they are the crazed lunatic fringe, I notice when Gary is confronted with the message of Jesus Christ he resorts to vulgarity and profanity, so very sad

          • Spoob

            Same with Oboehner. I wonder if he kisses his mother with that mouth.

          • pax2u

            they think that to honor their mother and father would be idolization

          • The Last Trump

            What? Couldn’t find any? How much time did you spend looking? All of about 7 seconds? Lazy little false Christian, aren’t you? Do your own research! What are you, a child!? I did mine. Unbelievable.

            Seriously, Spoobles. If your go to places are conspiracy theorists and youtubers then you really have to broaden your horizons. Next time try news articles and videos of his very own words during speeches. You could also check into the alarming laws he’s past. A simple google search pulls up hundreds of articles! (Google is a search engine Spoobs. For folks who like to research and discover facts instead of stubbornly sticking to biased opinions. Give it a try!)

            Prepare to be amazed though! You just can’t make this stuff up. It’s pretty unsettling. It’s amazing who God will allow you to elect for a tyrannical dictator when you reject Him and His Word after accepting His blessings for so long. We get what we deserve Spoobs. God forgive us.

          • Spoob

            No, I didn’t spend a single second looking in the Bible for anything about Barack Obama being a Muslim. Because it’s not in there. I suppose I’m twisting scripture now by even entertaining your insanity.

            Look, I’m starting to seriously think you’re not of perfectly sound mind. Didn’t your mother ever tell you it’s not nice (and not true) to post delusions on internet forums when you haven’t taken your medication?

  • gatekeeper96740

    He is not Christian. He is Muslim.
    He says so. I believe it is wise to believe when someone self discloses.

    • gatekeeper96740

      Here too.

    • Tyler Mitchell

      Obama is an universalist just as Bush Jr,Clinton,and Bush Sr were.Need to understand what that word means.None of those listed are Biblical Christians…

  • James Grimes

    What are his fruits? We will know what he is by his fruits.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

      The Obama tree (also known by it’s lain name- hopus changus) is known to bear rotten apples and sour lemons….

      • Jeff Varney

        …And even sour grapes.

  • Ed McBeth

    I think it’s fair to question Obama’s faith because I question the sanity of those people!

  • Gail Petersen

    According to the “horned goat” hand sign that the president flashes around, I’d say he is a satanists. But he isn’t alone….Clinton, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., and numerous other high ranking officials and clergy all flash allegiance to satan.

    • BarkingDawg

      Don’t forget Sarah

    • Gary

      You may be on to something.

  • Carmen Hill Wathen

    He is so naive and ignorant. What a dangerous man. He also doesn’t know the Word of God at all. This man is lying to himself as well as everyone else.

    • Spoob

      And George W was NOT a dangerous man?

      • Wingnut

        Where did THAT come from?? You should go see that shrink you want Gary to see. Sounds like you have W on the brain.

        • Spoob

          Oh, get out of here. Bush was reviled around the world for being a violent maniac.

          • The Last Trump

            Temper, temper “Christian”. Your hate is showing. 🙂

          • Spoob

            Who are you trying to convince, you or me?

          • The Last Trump

            I’m already quite convinced!…soooo, that would be you, silly!

          • Spoob

            You try too hard, Rumpy.

          • The Last Trump

            You misinterpreted again, Spoobs. Hardly have to try! Just point at scripture with my finger and give you enough rope! You twisters and interpreters do all the rest! The folks who read your comments know full well what you’re about. I just have to get you talking!
            I told you, Spoobs. You play a very important role here for us. Keep coming back now, ya hear! 😉

          • Spoob

            Actually Trumpy I haven’t twisted one single thing in the entire time you have been calling me “Twister”. All I have done is pointed out to you that there are different branches of Christianity and they have different understandings and interpretations. This shocks you for some reason which makes me wonder if you have even HEARD of the Reformation and what happened in its wake.

          • The Last Trump

            “Don’t lie with a man” Spoob, “AS YOU WOULD WITH A WOMAN.” Haven’t twisted a single thing! You’re not fooling anybody. But how you do try! Too cute. Twister! 🙂

      • Gary

        All of the Bushes are dangerous, evil men.

  • Fundisi

    His words condemn him as not being a Christian, his acceptance of Ghandi’s words, betray that he does not know Christ, as to any Christian, any true Christian, only by being Born Again of the Holy Spirit, by God’s Grace, by faith in Christ as Savior and Lord can anyone be saved. Thus all other faiths, to a Christian, must be false. It is one thing to grant them the right to believe as they choose, but that there is only ONE WAY unto salvation, those are Christ’s own words.

    Then Obama was part of a Black Liberation theology form of Christianity, which is wholly racist and separatist in nature. Then he stands for homosexual rights, for gay marriage and for abortion, all of these things and much more testify to his expression of being a Christian faith is false.

    We can only judge by his spiritual fruits and they have never been an expression of allegiance to Christ only as the way to salvation. He may even think he is a Christian, as do so many people making a profession of that faith, but by their words and acts, it is clear that they do not know Jesus at all.

    • Speaker

      He has professed by mouth before millions, it is only God he is answerable for his faith and not man. He is the Head man of the government whose constitution guarantees equal right and freedom to all religions. He has to honour it; he is also encouraging the Indian government to do the same, because recently the party in power in India has declared that all Christians and Muslims to leave India or be converted or be killed. We must understand why he is saying. If you have any grudge change your constitution. As Christian we cannot judge fellow brother. It is only God who knows the mind and heart of man. I do understand he is black and very disturbing why he has reached this top position. And if we are Christians we believe it is also in the God’s Hand. God bless America

  • Spoob

    From Wikipedia (with no signs of argument):

    “Obama is a Christian whose religious views developed in his adult life.”

    No mention of Islam.

    • Gary

      Sometimes Wikipedia is wrong. This is such a case.

      • Spoob

        Wikipedia is based on facts, not conspiracy theories.

        • Gary

          Maybe normally it is. But a lot of people don’t understand what Christianity is, or what it means to be a Christian.

          • Spoob

            A Christian is a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ, Gary. It isn’t complicated.

          • Gary

            The problem is, most of the people who claim to be followers of Jesus Christ really are not followers of Jesus Christ. They prove that by what they say they believe, and by their behavior.

          • Spoob

            And that would include yourself.

            It is never a good idea to get self-righteous about being a better Christian than everyone else. You follow it one way, someone else follows it differently. Doesn’t mean they are wrong.

          • Gary

            I have never claimed to be a BETTER Christian than other Christians. I have claimed that many people who say they are Christians prove, by what they say and do, that they are not what they pretend to be.

          • The Last Trump

            I think you just described chaos. Imagine if everybody followed clear direction in that completely dysfunctional manner! Government gridlock, military disasters, broken families. “Hey everybody! Just do whatever you want. Nobody is right or wrong! Every man do what is right IN HIS OWN EYES!” Gee, I think I read those words somewhere….don’t remember things turning out so well…

          • Spoob

            It’s not like we have a lot of choice Trumpy, that Protestant Reformation thing sent everyone into 50 bazillion directions. Next time you want to roll your eyes when I talk about “interpretations” ask yourself why there are over 30 thousand Christian denominations.

          • The Last Trump

            Asked and answered, confused one. Too many nut jobs running around making unnecessary interpretations. And here you are!

          • Spoob

            And here YOU are too, one of the 30 thousand denominations who insists he’s right. It’s almost worth buying popcorn for. Are you getting FRUSTRATED, little man?

          • The Last Trump

            Oh yeah. Outta my mind with frustration. (!?) 🙂
            Anywho, where do you come up with these wild accusations based entirely on fantasy? I keep asking for you to, please, show me the hate speech I’ve used. Show me where I’ve said I’M RIGHT!? I’ve simply been quoting scripture and you keep losing your mind and going on about hateful bigots and white hoods!! Pretty crazy , over the top, overly dramatic and completely inappropriate reactions to confirmed passages of the Bible, that had absolutely no problem whatsoever with any interpretations, until of course, NOW.
            You twist. You interpret. And you do so, so transparently obvious, to get YOUR OWN WAY. Pathetic. Call a spade a spade, remember? “Don’t lie with another man AS YOU WOULD WITH A WOMAN” Shameful display of total disregard for the direction of your Creator in favour of the twisted pleasure found in sexual perversion.
            Just keep responding, charlatan. I’ll keep refuting your deceitful and transparent position of pro sin with consistently sound Bible doctrine. Ridiculously easy! You go ahead and spin your yarns, Spoobs. Spin away, “Christian”. Spin away. And I’ll be here quoting the scriptures. Annoying, aren’t they? You guys will really need to get to work rewriting the Bible to combat all of those several passages that stop you in your tracks. Probably already in the making. No doubt, a much smaller edition, considering all the inspired passages that will of course have to be completely removed. N.I.V. will have to go. K.J.V. banned. Enter, the G.A.Y. version. And just like modern godless America, this Bible will be unrecognizable from its former self. And ultimately end up in the same sorrowful gutter together. Where they belong.

          • Spoob

            Happy to oblige. You hate homosexuals, you hate Catholics, and you are not content to let them believe as they believe and live as they live. They are not perverts and apostates, respectively, and they don’t need you to bully them and call them names. They don’t need you to tell them they are wrong when you are the one who’s wrong. You can’t use your Bible to justify it either, because we’ve seen over and over how you “use” the Bible, abuse is a better word. You break every single logical fallacy there is, No True Scotsman over and over, Argument from Silence over and over. Not a single word from Jesus’ lips about homosexuality, yet you act like he wrote volumes on the subject.

            I don’t twist, but I do interpret. So do you. So does everyone. And the sooner you admit that, the better off you will be. I don’t need to prove that to you. 30 thousand plus denominations have already proven it.

            “Don’t lie with a man as you would with a woman” – your favourite passage to judge and condemn has no mention whatsoever of carnal pleasures.

            Things like this just show that no amount of your little nicknames, eye-rolling, disapproving quotation marks, amused to death sarcasm, and any other childish, immature little games and diversionary tactics you like to play will take away the fact that you’re just entirely full of fertilizer on the entire subject. It never even occurs to you that we are not a Christian theocracy.

          • The Last Trump

            🙂 Thanks for clarifying your beliefs. Just need to keep giving you rope….

          • Spoob

            Showing your bigotry to you is giving me rope? I don’t think anything you say could surprise me anymore.

          • The Last Trump

            Except for all of the errors, translations, mistranslations, interpretations, and misinterpretations, missing books and chapters of course. Other than that, it’s a no brainer. Clear as mud! Makes a great guide book to pattern one’s life after. Man, I love this new liberal “Christianity” where anything goes and everybody gets to go to heaven no matter what! Where do I sign? 🙂

          • Spoob

            Are you TRYING to make a case for atheism? That’s what it looks like to me. Either it’s your monster God of hate and intolerance or the Bible is an indecipherable mess. Either way you don’t look particularly good, Trumpy.

          • The Last Trump

            Surely you recognize your very own brand of Christianity, Apostate? Or have you actually moved on to yet another brand already? And you’re absolutely right, Spoobs. It doesn’t look particularly good, does it? There simply is no substitute for genuine Christianity! Amen, brother!

          • Spoob

            Oh please Trumpy, you CAN’T be that stupid. You CAN’T be. You must have heard of the Protestant Reformation, which happened and caused splintering which at last count was in the 30 thousand pus range? Does that not suggest to you that yes, there is actually more than one “brand”, and that the likelihood of yours being “IT” is, well, at LEAST 30 thousand to one?

            But you’re not worried, are you?

          • The Last Trump

            I guess all 30 thousand of us are right, eh Spoobs! Uh huh. Riiiiight. You’re right Spoob. I’m not THAT stupid. Keep trying bud. Keep trying! Twist and interpret. Interpret and twist. Until sexual perversion, all of a sudden, after generations of traditional marriage and normalcy, only now becomes “acceptable” behavior to God. Keep tearing out those pages of the Bible you don’t agree with Spoobs. Pretty soon all you’ll have left is enough to fill a post-it note! 30 thousand and ONE off shoots of genuine Christianity.

          • Spoob

            No, Trumpy, not 30 thousand of you. 30 thousand DENOMINATIONS of you. So you ARE that stupid, at least if you’re trying to sell me this snake oil about there being only one Christian interpretation.

            So what is it? All the people in the world who think you are wrong – THEY are the “apostate Christians” and you are the ONLY ONE who has it right? Where on EARTH do you get this horrific messiah complex from Trumpy?

            I’m starting to see that what you’re calling twisting is m UN-twisting, which you are instead trying to RE-twist into something that confuses everything all over again. Riiiiiight is right!

          • pax2u

            it is best that the hateful and angry lunatic fringe is alone

          • Spoob

            Yes, probably true. I would probably fear for my own life if I knew any of these people in person.

          • pax2u

            I doubt if their mothers would let them out of her basement to do any harm

          • Spoob

            They should be wearing special helmets to keep from hurting themselves.

          • pax2u

            they are “special”

          • Spoob

            Take a look at some of the lovely language coming from Oboehner. I feel like I’m on the back of a bus with a bunch of teenage kids.

          • pax2u

            they want to put anyone who disagrees with their hatred at the back of the bus, very sad their level of hatred

          • pax2u

            they want to put anyone who disagrees with their hatred at the back of the bus, very sad their level of hatred

          • pax2u

            I notice that Gary is so far off the track with his talk of violent revolution against the legal system that he disagrees with that Neiman/Fundisi is trying to talk him down off of the ledge

          • Spoob

            He flat-out said God was a bigot the other day. I guess to justify his own bigotry.

          • pax2u

            maybe his god is a bigot, but not the Christian God Jesus Christ, I pray that Gary does not have a gun or children

          • Spoob

            He is I think dangerously crazy. He wants me in hell so badly he can taste it. Others like Last Trump and Oboehner I think are nuts too but not as nuts as Gary.

          • pax2u

            they define the lunatic fringe, of the group the only one with the courage to name a denomination is Gary, who says that he is a Baptist, but Gary condemns the Baptist Billy Graham and supports the Westboro Baptist Church of Fred Phelps

          • pax2u

            which of the 30 thousand denominations is yours, or are you just alone as are all of the lunatic fringe

          • The Last Trump

            Careful Pax. You sure you want to go back down this road, “friend”?

          • pax2u

            sorry if the truth is not welcome to my fellow Christian,

            According to a report published by the Center for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, in mid-2011 there were over 42,000 Christian denominations worldwide. Furthermore, that number is increasing at the rate of 2.2 new denominations per day.

            Gordon – Conwell is a Baptist founded Seminary

        • KenS

          lol, Wikipedia is based on user input, anyone can post anything on Wikipedia and then claim it as a fact.

          • Spoob

            Yes, and if there is any disagreement about what is posted there, you can read about it by clicking on the TALK tab on every page. Guess what? No one is disputing it. One guy tried to say he was born in Kenya and was shot down because his only “proof” was a YouTube video.

            Let this one go. It’s dumb.

          • The Last Trump

            Don’t waste your time with this one. Not a big fan of facts.

        • Liz Litts

          Says who?

          • Spoob

            That is why it exists, as a credible information source.

      • Frank

        Wickedpedia wrong? You got to be kidding me? I thought they had all the answers in someone’s head.

    • Liz Litts

      Oh now there is an informed source!–all I have to say is , if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…….

      • Spoob

        He looks and quacks like a Christian to me. Maybe not one of the radical ones, thank God.

        • Gary

          You have a false notion of what a Christian is. You’re an infidel.

          • Spoob

            You are a moron.

          • pax2u

            he may think that you are calling him a Later Day Saint

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

    Ya know what? I could care less about the guy’s faith. What I’m concerned about is his stance on the Constitution…and it’s pretty doggone obvious on that one!!

  • Guess what

    Supports abortion, gay marriage etc. Just those two things along disprove him being christian.

    • Gary

      Yes. When people do things and believe things that contradict the Bible, they prove what they really are and really believe.

    • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

      I agree…until you said Israel. Really, what can you or anyone do about physical Israel?

      • Guess what

        “FOR BEHOLD, in those days and at that time
        when I shall reverse the captivity and restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
        I will gather all nations and will bring them down into the Valley of Jehoshaphat,
        and there will I deal with and execute judgment upon them for their treatment
        of My people and of My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the
        nations and because they have divided My land…..

        • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

          Think about that statement for a minute…Is Obama turning his back on Israel or is Obama turning his back upon God? What can protecting physical Israel do for you or anyone here on this earth? Are you going to go there anytime soon? The glory of Israel departed in Acts 7. The truth is, Obama is turning his back upon God.

          • Guess what

            Well..I think its quite obvious he claims he a christian and is not. So yes he is turning his back on God

  • The Lone Ranger

    There is and or will be only two religions that matter #1Christ #2Antichrist Mark my words. You will know them by their fruits.

  • Anne

    So there we have it, he’s NOT a Christian. It’s not enough to believe in God, even the devil believes in God.

  • sam

    So, first he says: “they’ve said I adhere to a different religion—as if that were somehow a bad thing.” and follows it up with:

    “He then suggested that Muslims are “betraying” their faith by engaging in violent activity.”

    First he says its not a bad thing to be muslim then tries to defend the faith by saying the murderers that kill in the name of Islam are not true. But true to what? They are true to their faith that is for sure. The Koran is not a book of a peace, its a book for world domination. Obama knows this. He continues to contradict himself in order to be “cool” with everyone.

    • Frank

      They are doing exactly what Muhamad did throughout his life. They are following in his footsteps.

  • dawnrosanne

    He is wrong about a few things he said in his speech. We that we are not all God’s children. It’s a nice thing to say and it tickles everyone’s ears, but it just isn’t the truth. There is one true living God, only one. People who worship other gods are worshipping satan and not even realizing it. He is also wrong about how worshipping gods other than Jehovah is okay to do. It’s not. He is also wrong to quote Ghandi. Different religions are not different flowers on the same plant. Different religions exist because of differences in belief—not because they are all true or because they all flow from the same source.

    • Terry Roll

      Maybe you are the one worshipping Satan and have no idea.

  • John_33

    Obama gave a very revealing speech in 2006 at the Covenant for a New America conference. He said that if God tells political leaders to do something, then they can’t obey in pluralistic societies such as ours without first convincing everyone else first (presumably including Atheists, Wiccans, Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc.) To try to implement what God tells you to do as a politician would be, in his words, “a dangerous thing.”

    Transcript: http://obamaspeeches.com/081-Call-to-Renewal-Keynote-Address-Obama-Speech.htm

    Video 1/5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tdoQr3BQ1g

  • jackie cooper

    Religion is the belief in and worship of God (or other gods). It is NOT a group of men dictating whether you wear a hijab, or decide who will have custody of the children when you divorce.

  • MarkT.

    Christianty is not a religion, it is a spiritual relationship with Jesus Christ. Religion is man’s attempt to form a relationship with God. Christianity is God the Father’s method of reaching out to man via his Son Jesus.

    • D.M.S.

      Finally someone that I can agree with, my sister looks at me like I’m Nuts when I tell her that Christianity isn’t a religion.

  • William Tyndale

    Based solely upon his public acts and words, all can conclusively say that B. Hussein Obama is: 1) a radical secularist; disdainful of the importance of any religious belief; 2) an anti-Christian bigot; and 3) pro-Islamist extremism. I suspect that if we sat down with him in private in “off the record” conversation he would eventually admit the reality that he is an atheist.

    • Terry Roll

      He is a secularist. Not sure why a secularist would be pro-Islamist, but it is one more thing you can defame him with, so I am sure you find a way to reconcile it in your head.

      • William Tyndale

        How about with reality? Asecularist has no use for any religion but Islam is not a religion, but rather a worldwide terrorist movement existing only as a means to destroy Western civilization and all (including Christians) who hold to its value.

  • Liz Litts

    if he ‘identifies with Christians” why is he allowing them to be butchered by the thousands??????

  • Faithwalker

    For the majority of politicians, democratic and republican, politics and power is their religion, and money is their god. As born again Christians, we put our hope in the one and true living God and not in man. All paths do not lead to Christ.

  • Frank

    Obama that’s because you are not a Christian. You are just like the rest of the politicians and others that confess it to get elected but do not live it. A tree is known by its fruits and yours are all rotten. You do not obey Jesus. And unless you repent with weeping and wailing you won’t be getting eternal life in Christ Jesus.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Religious people do NOT support neither Sodomy nor infanticide. He supports both. His religion is secularism.

  • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

    I dont have to question…I look the facts from his own lips: http://www.remnantofgod.org/Obama.htm

    So is he lying, and if so, why? If he is, it is only because his ‘holy quran’ compels him too…

    Koran teaches lying can be used to benefit Islam. There is a doctrine within the Koran (as well as Jesuit oath) that Muslims must assume the identity of a Christian in political office so as to gain power for Islam. There are also many verses in the Koran that ok the use of lies to benefit Islam.

    Sura (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.

    Sura (3:28) – This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves.”

    Sura (40:28) – A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must “hide his faith” among those who are not believers.

    Bukhari (52:270) – Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka’b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad’s insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka’b’s trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.

    Bukhari (49:857) – “He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.” Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

    Bukhari (84:64-65) – Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an “enemy.”

    Don’t believe men can believe facts over plainly written Truth?

  • robertzaccour

    If you’re not a following Christ, you’re NOT a Christian. You can put kittend in the oven but they’re not gonna turn into biscuits.

  • Michael Berol

    Evidence demands a verdict. There is a great deal of information how he loves islamics, even those who wish to kill us. He has overseen the greatest assault on the freedom of Christians ever in this country. Draw your own conclusion!

  • http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/ JBenning

    What faith? Make up your mind.

  • Michael Dalton

    No true biblical Christian, follower of Jesus Christ, would be pro-murder(abortion), neither would they be pro-homosexuality. Both were outlawed in the Old Testament. And yes, Jesus came not to abolish the law but, to fulfill it, even so the Old Testament is just as valid today as it was pre-cross.

  • Kachina

    I do not know any Christian that would have done all that he has done in the name of Yahweh.

  • ddo2013

    I don’t question or doubt his faith at akk. He clearly believes in allah. However, allah is not the God of the Bible but a false god, the devil in disguise. If he’s not a muslim at the very least he is a muslim sympathizer. He definitely isn’t a Christian, not even a Christian sympathizer

    • Chris

      Allah just means God in Arabic. It is the same god as the one from the bible. Muslim, Jews, and Christians all worship the same god. You’re really not an intelligent person are you?

      • ddo2013

        sorry, friend but you are just spewing lies. Allah is not the God of the Bible. He is satan in disguise. Maybe you worship the same god as the god of the Koran, but Christians and Jews do not. As for answering about being an intelligent person, your comments show who the intelligent one is. Being as you don’t know God you are by no means capable of saying who the correct one is. You may think the Koran is an acceptable book full of truth, but it’s full of nothing but lies

  • http://www.iowamilitiawarrencounty.com Kim Paulsen

    You judge a tree by the fruit Obama and yours is rotten to the core

  • Peter Leh

    those who judge another man’s salvation is playing god. what does the bible say about playing god?

    now, the political bible says to tear down your opponent at all cost. Which is worse, a christian playing politics or politics playing the christian?