Global Buddhist Leader Invited to Appear at U.S. National Prayer Breakfast

Dalai Lama Credit Niccolo CarantiWASHINGTON — The leader of Tibetan Buddhism has been invited to appear at this year’s National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, an annual event that is meant to bring lawmakers together for the purpose of acknowledging the importance of prayer and faith in America.

“He was invited by the organizers of the event,” John Rizzo, communications director for Pennsylvania Sen. Bob Casey, who co-chairs the breakfast, told reporters. “He has accepted, and my understanding is he plans to be there.”

Barack Obama has also been invited to the event, but has not yet confirmed his appearance. White House spokesman Patrick Ventrell told Reuters that Obama has a favorable view of the Buddhist leader.

“They have met three times, including just last February,”he said. “The president is a strong supporter of the Dalai Lama’s teachings and preserving Tibet’s unique religious, cultural and linguistic traditions.”

As previously reported, last March, the Dalai Lama led the U.S. Senate in “prayer” for the first time, wishing for world peace and “good fortune” for America’s lawmakers.

“So pray to Buddha and all other gods,” he said, before speaking in Tibetan and then repeating his “prayer” in English.

“With our thoughts, we make our world,” the Dalai Lama stated, robed in gold and red. “Our mind is central and precedes our deeds. Speak or act with a pure mind and happiness will follow you like a shadow that never leaves.”

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Senators bowed their heads and visitors watched from the balcony.

“May there be joy in the world, with bountiful harvest and spiritual wealth,” the Dalai Lama continued. “May every good fortune come to be. And may all our wishes be fulfilled.”

He then referenced what he called his “favorite prayer,” which he said he offered daily.

“As long as space remains, and as long as sentient beings remain, until then may I too remain, and help dispel the misery of the world,” it read.

The Dalai Lama has made previous visits to the states, receiving the Congressional Gold Medal in 2007 during a ceremony attended by then-President George W. Bush. He also met with Bush in Dallas in 2011, and spoke at the George W. Bush Presidential Center, where he referred to the former president as “my dear friend.”

The National Prayer Breakfast has taken place since 1953 when members of Congress invited then-President Dwight Eisenhower to meet with them “in the spirit of Jesus.” But although the event continues to be hosted each year by members of Congress, The Fellowship Foundation also assists with the organizational aspects of the event.

The group says that its purpose “is to encourage one another and people throughout the world to carry out the first and Great Commandment ‘to love God first’ and ‘to love your neighbor as yourself,” but notes that the breakfast is not exclusively Christian.

“The breakfast typically is attended by more than 3000 people of all races, cultures and faith traditions,” it states.

Photo: Nicolo Carrante


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  • Gary

    “So pray to Buddha and all other gods.” Why would I want to waste time praying to gods that don’t exist? I don’t understand why anyone thinks a Buddhist is intelligent enough to justify paying any attention to what they think or say.

    • Jimjams

      My fiance is a shinto buddhist and as he put it “who ever thinks we pray to Buddha is dumb. He was a real man and a Samurai he only fought if he had to and taught peace. Buddhism is a religion of learning and following a peaceful life style”

      • Gary

        Then why would the Dalai Lama say to pray to Buddha?

        • Jimjams

          There is a HUGE difference between Tibetan and shinto buddhist just as how there are different christians

          • Gary

            OK.

    • Disqusdmnj

      And your proof they don’t exist is where?

      • Gary

        Isn’t the burden on them to prove they exist?

        • Disqusdmnj

          You realise the irony of your statement, right?

          • Gary

            What irony do you mean?

          • Disqusdmnj

            And that answers a completely different question just the same.

  • DoodyDoo

    Totally pointless as God does not hear the prayers of the wicked

    • dark477

      You’re actually calling the Dalai Lama wicked?

      • Fundisi

        Yes!

        • dark477

          What’s he done to deserve that accusation?

          • Fundisi

            He serves false gods and leads souls to hell!

          • Spoob

            Hahahaha

          • Fundisi

            In virtually every post you prove you are no Christian and an atheist. If you were a Christian you would now that he follows a false god, a pagan god and every soul he influences to believe in that god he leads into hell.

          • Spoob

            I honestly think you feel you are the only Christian on this planet.

          • Fundisi

            Problem is, you do not think at all and you constantly betray that you are no Christian.

          • Spoob

            People like you are starting to make me realize there are worse things than not being Christian.

          • The Last Trump

            Yeah. Pretending to be a Christian. Tsk, tsk.

          • Spoob

            I know you’re doing your best Trumpy. Keep pretending.

          • The Last Trump

            WHAT? Hello! Have you forgotten about ME!? 🙂

          • Spoob

            How can I do that if you won’t go away?

          • The Last Trump

            “You’d probably score a few more points if you dropped the patronizing amused to death routine” Spoob, 4 days ago.
            Ahhhh, the hypocrisy. Typical.

          • Spoob

            But I AM amused to death, Trumpy. No hypocrisy. It’s endlessly amusing watching you pretend to be Christian.

          • The Last Trump

            And look at all those points you’re scoring!….Ooops. That’s not you. That’s everybody BUT you! Talk about amused to death. I think I can speak for everybody here when I say, thank you Booob. Thank you for the regular entertainment. (I tried the veal. Ahhhh, it was o.k.)

          • Spoob

            The Westboro Baptist loonies can match you pound for pound in the hate department, and they insist THEY are Christians, too. I hope that thought burrows its way into your skull and makes you realize exactly how you are looking to people here.

          • The Last Trump

            I’m agonizing over it as we speak! 🙂
            (yawn)

          • Spoob

            Of course not, because that would mean doing some actual self-examination and speculating that maybe, just MAYBE, there’s something about you that isn’t perfect and could use a tweak.

          • Spoob

            This forum is full of people who support only one faith and that is ultra-conservative fundamentalist Christianity. To them, anything else, including other forms of Christianity, are Satanic. That’s how their minds work.

          • Gary

            What does another form of Christianity look like, and why is it valid?

          • Douglas

            I’m not going to tell you what to do but it seems that Spoob is only here to get people worked up. I would personally not entertain him. Proverbs 26:4.

          • Gary

            I understand. But I just hate to leave his absurd comments unchallenged.

          • Spoob

            I am not here to get people worked up. I’m here to point out when Christians behave badly.

          • The Last Trump

            Mission accomplished. With every post you make we are acquainted with “Christians” who behave so very badly. 😉

          • Spoob

            What mission is accomplished? Are you happy about the fact that atheists are behaving more kindly and honorably than you are?

          • Spoob

            You know the answer to that. You don’t consider Catholics to be Christians and they are the largest group of them.

          • Gary

            Since you didn’t answer the questions, let me ask another: Why are you a Christian? What is the evidence that you are a Christian?

          • Spoob

            I answered the question. Another form of Christianity is Catholicism. Lutheranism. Episcopalian. Methodist.

            My “evidence” that I am a Christian is that I believe the words and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. And that’s between me and Him.

          • Gary

            You don’t believe the words of Jesus, and neither do you follow them. I’ll give you an example. In Mark 10:6-9 Jesus talks about marriage being between a man and a woman as husband and wife. But you say that a marriage does not have to be between a man and a woman. You are directly contradicting what Jesus said.

          • Spoob

            That’s none of your business, Gary. Leave it to God.

          • Gary

            It is my business. When you falsely claim to be a Christian you are claiming kinship to me. But I know you are a fake and I don’t want you in my family.

          • Spoob

            Yes, you’ve made it very clear the kind of “Christian” you are. The kind who wants to execute gay people. You’re so off the rails you don’t even deserve to be on this forum.

          • Gary

            This is a forum for Christians. You are one who does not belong.

          • Spoob

            It isn’t a forum for psychotic murderous Christian supremacists.

          • The Last Trump

            So you’re leaving then?

          • Spoob

            I am not the one using my Bible to justify murdering people, Trumpy. That’s you.

          • The Last Trump

            Thanks for stopping by! See ya! 🙂

          • Spoob

            See ya later, Himmler.

          • Taussig

            sorry babe but this is a public forum..quit whining

          • The Last Trump

            I think you meant to respond to “Spoobs”. He was the one whining about folks he decides don’t deserve to be on this forum. “Babe”.

          • Taussig

            nopers. talking to gary

          • The Last Trump

            Ahh. A hypocrite. My mistake. Just target the Christians then. As you were.

          • Terry Roll

            Do you folks not eat shellfish and pork? How about mixed fabric clothe, do you wear that? You can’t pick and choose.

          • Spoob

            One of them gave me a big diatribe about that, apparently Jesus “forgave” some of the old testament laws, but he never “forgave” homosexuality. Which is interesting to me because Jesus never once mentions homosexuality ANYWHERE in the Bible.

          • Terry Roll

            Gary, please answer the same question.

          • The Last Trump

            Also full of hateful LGBT trolls who masquerade as “Christians” but attack the validity of the Bible non-stop. Ultra-liberal, “if it feels good do it”, no fundamentals whatsoever, every man does what is right IN HIS OWN EYES, hedonistic, pleasure seeking loathers of God. Good is continually viewed as evil and evil as good to these nut jobs. That’s how THEIR minds work. Shameful.

          • Spoob

            I don’t attack the Bible, junior. I go after mental midgets like you and this woman who felt she had the right to help herself to a microphone uninvited and start proselytizing. I’m not LGBT and I’m not even particularly liberal. I just stand up for human rights when I see them being attacked by pseudo-Christians.

  • Fundisi

    This is an unfortunate sign of the complete spiritual corruption of our nation and of so many political leaders that mostly make a public profession of a Christian faith, sadly mostly to garner votes from Christians; but, completely deny their faith, being reprobates, when they even sit to hear, let alone bow their heads when someone is called to pray to what they should know, if they were truly Christians, is a false god. Worse the Dalai Lama, consistent with his false religion offered prayers to “all gods,” including I assume the moon god allah.

    This is the true religion of Obama and almost all of our political leaders, they have no real faith in any god at all, they are spiritual whores, lying down with demon gods for their own selfish gain. God have mercy on them.

    • Jimjams

      I disagree No god or goddess’ are demons. I view them as yours being like the head of a company and the others as district managers. I am a Kemetic wiccan meaning I worship Horus and the other Egyptian gods of old. I have a Horus statue on my Alter but My shinto Buddhist fiance and I also keep a bible in the house along with a crucifix that belonged to a friend. She was pagan but saw it and thought it was pretty. She passed away at 19 from a hear condition she was born with 6 and 1/2 year ago. I miss her everyday and keep that cross close to my heart. making sure it stays in a ring case to keep it safe up on the alter with my Horus a picture of my friend my Lucky cat my fiance gave me almost 7 years ago when we were still just friends and his Buddha figures and Lucky cat.I have spoken with all of them even yours and heard from yours he is not upset.

      • Fundisi

        I was at first going to suggest you seek psychiatric care, but upon further reflection it is obvious you are in desperate need of an exorcism of multiple demons.

        • dark477

          Cute but pointless since there are no demons.

          • Spoob

            I disagree. The Last Trump is a demon, and I wish someone here would exorcise him.

          • The Last Trump

            🙂 Welcome to “our” Christian website. Don’t let the “door” hit you on the way out troll.

          • Spoob

            “Christian” bigots on parade! Smile for the camera!

          • Taussig

            poor oppressed xtian

          • Terry Roll

            You would be bored without us. It is ok, you can admit you like having us here.

        • Spoob

          Why don’t you stop beating people up with your Bible?

          • The Last Trump

            Why don’t you start? “Christian”. I suppose you agree that all of these other “gods” are equal to the One you “profess” to worship? Why am I not surprised. That brand of Christianity you loosely practice sounds less and less “Christian” every time you open your mouth.

          • Spoob

            Forget Christianity for a moment. What does it say when atheists are better behaved than fundies? I can’t think of a single atheist who would have done something as rude and obnoxious as what this woman did.

          • pax2u

            I notice that Jimmy Grimmy needs to post to himself to have someone who agrees with his hatred of Christians

          • James Grimes

            He is not a Christian in any way. He is an Atheist through and through.

          • Spoob

            Like you would have the foggiest clue.

          • James Grimes

            We shall be known by our fruit.

        • Jimjams

          How can I be in need of one when I wore a necklace I bought that was blessed by the heavens? After I got it I went down stairs at my parents house in which there was a think heaviness in the air. I felt a thing wisp past me and screech like it had been hurt. After about a day the heavy air cleared. and days earlier my fiance and I felt uneasy and heard rapid knocking and then my ihome got wet out of no where and short circuited, from that very same thing. There was a demon and my pagan like necklace cleared it out.

          • Fundisi

            There was a demon, that is right and he was hanging around your neck and in possession of your soul.

          • Jimjams

            I still wear that necklace from time to time and constantly wear my pentacle as it is a seal of protection. As soon as I saw it online I was drawn to it. When I got it and put it on I felt a burst of calming yet energizing energy. Also don’t forget all your ancestors at one point were pagan it is still in your blood line! All of our ancestors in this world originated in Africa. We were all gave men and all pagan at one point.

          • Gary

            There have always been people who believed in the God the Bible talks about, even if it was only a few.

          • Fundisi

            No there were no cave men as you think of them; and, from Adam who was not African, there have always been a people that followed God. I am telling you as plain as I can, I am warning you that by this necklace and other things you are entertaining seducing spirits, demons and they are leading you to hell.

          • Jimjams

            Watch Mankind the story of all of us.

          • Taussig

            we are not descendants of a mud man and a rib woman…how utterly ridiculous

          • Terry Roll

            smh. This is like watching a midget fight.

          • pax2u

            you will be told that neanderthal man did not exist since it is not in the Bible, and then did those cave paintings and dinosaurs not exist or are the work of the devil since they are not in the Bible?

            sad that some of the fundamentalists hate biology, history and science

          • Jimjams

            You I like you, You make sense with the words.

        • Terry Roll

          Coming from the dude who worships a zombie Jew.

  • dark477

    American is nation of numerous faiths and it’s only fair that they all get a chance to site at the table.

    • Guest

      Go look up quotes by the founding fathers on Religion. This country is for everyone.

      • dark477

        I know.

    • Jimjams

      I agree 110%

    • Fundisi

      But no one that professes a Christian faith has to sit with them at that table and in fact, should not only refuse to sit there, but make their reasons known. The reason that people like Obama and every politician that does sit, bows their head and is reverent, is that not one of them are Christian, as no Christian would thus entertain demons.

      • dark477

        Or they’re showing respect for other faiths.

        • Fundisi

          A Christian does not show respect for other gods, he will not deliberately show disrespect for the people, but bow their heads while prayers are being made to demons? No!

      • Spoob

        Obama is Christian.

        • Fundisi

          Nah! In your dreams.

          • Spoob

            It happens to be a fact.

          • Gary

            No, it isn’t. It’s a lie.

          • Spoob

            For God’s sake Gary, it is easily verified.

          • Gary

            What is the proof?

          • Spoob

            If the man saying he is isn’t proof enough, then nothing will be for you.

          • Gary

            Lots of people claim they are Christians. There are millions of them in Hell right now. The proof that Obama IS NOT a Christian is his support for abortion and homosexuals.

          • Spoob

            You don’t know who is or isn’t in hell. And it’s high time you stopped pretending you did.

          • The Last Trump

            Sure we do dum dum. Jesus plainly told us who goes to hell. Not supposed to be a SURPRISE! Duh! Where you been every Sunday, “Christian”? Even Sunday school kids know this stuff.

          • Spoob

            And did He give you a list of their names and addresses, too? Loosen your tinfoil hat, psycho.

          • The Last Trump

            ? What are you talking about, you poor incoherent mess? Names and addresses? Seriously? We are talking about described behaviours, Looney Tunes. Names and addresses? Koo! Koo!
            Maybe if you paused between posts and actually took the time for some thought for formulating an intelligent response you wouldn’t look so embarrassingly daft. I mean, really! Names and addresses! Duh.

          • Spoob

            Don’t give me that crap, all right? You strut around like you’re on a first name basis with God and that he practically gives you stock tips. Learn to recognize sarcasm and learn to recognize that you DO NOT KNOW who is in hell.

          • The Last Trump

            We are on a first name basis with God, you dolt! Perhaps you’ve heard of JESUS?! Whoah….Nelly! I don’t know what kind of “Bible” you read from but it sounds a lot like the G.A.Y. Version . You might wanna try the K.J. Version or even the N.I.V. Bibles. (Koo,Koo!)

          • Spoob

            Hello, did you just say KOO KOO in the same breath as telling me you’re on a first name basis with God? Well, I can’t top that. It doesn’t get any better than that. When He talks to you, what does He say? Does he tell you that the mean nasty gay people need to be put to death?

          • The Last Trump

            ? Is that a trick question? 🙂

          • Spoob

            What does His voice sound like? Come on, I am sure people would love to hear.

          • The Last Trump

            “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me” John 10:27.
            You just keep putting your foot in it, don’t you dum dum. That you DON’T hear is voice is very telling, Spoobs. Very telling indeed. And not at all surprising to those who have listened to your hate on this site.

          • Spoob

            God doesn’t speak to you, you looney twit. Stop lying on a public forum, and go take your medication.

          • The Last Trump

            Correction. God doesn’t speak to YOU, Apostate.

          • Spoob

            Re-correction. God does not talk to you. Stop lying. He does not speak to you. Understand? The voices in your head are NOT God.

          • Terry Roll

            Oww do tell. What is his nickname? I feel like “God” gets kinda stuffy after awhile. What does he say back when you talk to him? Nothing? Yeah thought so. Same thing with the imaginary friend you had as a kid.

          • Spoob

            Trump probably calls God “Big G” or something.

          • Gary

            It is high time you stopped lying about being a Christian.

          • Spoob

            It’s high time you stopped spouting hatred in the name of Christianity. Lots of people here are telling you that.

          • Gary

            Would you prefer that I lie and tell unbelievers that they are Christians?

          • Spoob

            You don’t even possess that knowledge in the first place.

          • Gary

            In some cases I do. YOu proved you are an unbeliever the first time you posted.

          • Spoob

            You have zero control over my relationship with God. I don’t care what you call me.

          • Gary

            What kind of relationship can you have with God when you deny what he said? It can’t be a good one.

          • Spoob

            I don’t. What I deny is what you often think He meant.

          • Gary

            I provided an example of your denying what God said earlier. No use to deny what has already been proven.

          • Spoob

            All you have proven is that you don’t play well with others and you belong in a rubber room.

          • Gary

            I quoted the words of Jesus that you repeatedly contradict. Don’t think you can do something and then deny you did it and everyone will believe your denial.

          • Spoob

            No you didn’t, Gary. Jesus said absolutely nothing about the very homosexuals you’ve admitted point blank on these pages that you would like to see killed off.

          • Gary

            According to Jesus, how can a man have intercourse that is moral?

          • Spoob

            I really don’t know, Gary, He isn’t here to ask.

          • Gary

            But you would know if you believed his words and lived by them like you claim you do. It is all written in the NT.

          • The Last Trump

            Gimmie a break! I guess pedophilia is acceptable as well then. Jesus isn’t here to ask right? He said not to harm children but to you nut jobs sodomy equals “love” so really you’re just “loving” the little children. Get help Spinster.

          • Spoob

            He didn’t talk about it. I never mentioned pedophilia, you did. Very telling. That is one of those subjects where I don’t require a Bible to know it’s wrong. Get help yourself Himmler, it’s a wonder you can function in society at all.

          • The Last Trump

            Sorry nutjob. Laws don’t get passed based on what Spoob says is wrong. Pedophiles are born loving the little kiddies just the same way homosexuals are. Sexual orientation from birth. God made them that way, remember? So it absolutely has to be ok. Can’t claim that for one group of sexual deviants and not allow it for another. As long as the kiddies go along with it and get ice cream later, no harm no foul, eh? Exactly. Your ridiculous defense flies in the face of simple reason. And pedophiles don’t give a damn what you think is wrong.

          • Spoob

            You have got to be the stupidest person on the face of the earth. If stupid hurt, you would be in constant, unending agony.

            Regardless of what the attractions of pedophiles are, a child cannot consent, therefore anything done to a child is considered abuse. You are such an utter chowderhead that the whole concept of consenting adults doesn’t even get entertained by your colossally inept brain. Just paint them all as deviants, much easier that way. Take them all out and have them shot, right, Himmler?

          • The Last Trump

            Not about consent. It’s about being “born that way” remember? People aren’t born with deviant sexual orientations. Your position, “Christian”. Not mine. So please explain pedophilia to us. We’re all ears professor.

          • Spoob

            When there is an innocent party being exploited and abused, you protect that person. End of story. My position, Himmler, and the position of the law.

          • Spoob

            My “position” is that I understand the difference between a consensual relationship between two adults and an abusive one between an adult and a child. And, God help me, you don’t, for reasons I dare not entertain.

          • The Last Trump

            So, although both “conditions” are sexual orientations (a protected right these days!) you get to pick and choose which ones are ok? How can one be right and the other wrong if being “born with it” from birth make it acceptable and unchangeable, remember? But you’re going to lock up the pedophiles and marry the gays!!?? All the while preaching that gays are born that way “made by God that way” so they’re here to stay! WHAT A PITIFUL HYPOCRITE.
            Is being born that way a valid argument for public acceptance or not? Never mind consent by other parties. BORN THAT WAY is legal criteria or it is not. Which is it?

          • Spoob

            I would argue that pedophilia is not a sexual orientation, and so would science. It’s a disorder. If no one is being abused as in a consensual relationship I have no reason to say it isn’t OK (and neither do you). Why do you want to lock up people who are not hurting anyone? What is your problem? And by the way, I never once said the words “born that way”. You did. It isn’t an argument for public acceptance if children are being harmed. That anyone should have to explain this to you is shocking and pathetic.

          • Terry Roll

            How do you know people aren’t born that way? Because it fits your narrative?

          • The Last Trump

            Doesn’t seem to be stopping you, now is it hater.

          • Spoob

            What I hate is ignorance, bigotry, hate and stupidity, Trumpy, all of which you have in spades. As long as that is what you trumpet, I will be in your face. Let’s take the Dalai Lama for instance. You hate him. I don’t.

          • The Last Trump

            You’re in MY face?! Ha! Who was just begging somebody to come along and exorcize me. Poor Spoobs felt like hims had a demon chasing hims. Get used to it , Apostate. Bring your incoherent hate-filled drivel to our Christian site will you? You and I are going to spend a loooooot of time together. Better brush up on your Bible, “Christian”. 🙂

          • Spoob

            It’s really pathetic watching you turn this around and call ME on “hate-filled drivel” when you’re the one who wants to beat up homosexuals with your Bible. I’m trying to protect them from bigots and haters like you, and anyone who wants to go through all my posts will see that’s what’s going on.

          • The Last Trump

            OHHHHH! If a man SAYS he is then THAT is the irrefutable proof that he is, indeed, a Christian. Wow. Just when I think you can’t possibly surprise me with statements more ridiculous than the first, you manage to pull through again! That is some talent you have there! Wow. You’ve never actually read the Bible, have you Apostate? If you had, you would know that “your” Lord Jesus Christ wisely admonished us to focus on works, NOT words. “By their FRUIT you will know them”. Even Adolph Hitler at one time “claimed” to be a Christian. For nitwits like you, that conclusively settles the matter! Boy, it doesn’t take much to fool your crowd does it! Fools.

          • Spoob

            Put it this way, Trumpy. He knows what he is a lot more than you know what he is, which is to say, not at all.

        • The Last Trump

          You just get off the boat? Not even Obama continues with that charade. Since taking office he has done nothing but ban Bibles from public forums and aggressively promote Islam throughout the United States. For God’s sake man! Read the news every once in a while. Your comments made out of ignorance continue to reveal that you have absolutely zero credibility.

          • Spoob

            You don’t get to dictate who is and isn’t Christian, you’ve been told that before. Reputable websites and words from the man’s own mouth are good enough for me. You don’t even accept it when the dictionary says it, as with Catholics, so I’m not sure your definition is worth too much.

      • Marie Adigwe

        Buddism is about peace though. Anybody can be a Buddhist because it’s nontheistic. It talks about helping others, being honest, and trying to rid yourself of the Self. So, in a sense, a lot of Christian aspects are also Buddhist: don’t lie, don’t cheat, don’t kill, don’t be selfish, and don’t be worldly.

    • The Last Trump

      Absolutely! Under Christianity America was truly blessed. From its founding as a nation she has been like a “shining city on a hill”. Let’s just see how she fares now, having turned her back on the God who blessed her so richly. Must just be an incredible coincidence that she is coming apart at the seams, eh? Probably.

      • Spoob

        But nobody turned their back on God, dum dum. That’s only your perception because you hate anyone who isn’t a fundamentalist.

        • The Last Trump

          !! Wow. Zero credibility. Even atheists would disagree with you about their swelling numbers. Crosses and Christian memorials coming down all across the country and the Bible banned from every public forum. Can’t even sing a Christmas carol AT CHRISTMAS about Jesus. Has to be about presents and trees. What a moron.

          • Spoob

            And your solution to that is lynchings, hate and cross burnings. Great. What kind of example are you leading if you want other people to be Christians? My God. I take one look at the likes of you and want to tell people to do the exact opposite in every situation.

          • The Last Trump

            What a clown! MY SOLUTION? Where is MY SOLUTION given anywhere ON THE ENTIRE INTERNET that matches the slanderous words that you just accused me of? You intolerant LGBT lovers love to sling the hate and accuse everybody else of EVERYTHING you can possibly come up with just for not siding with your intolerance. You don’t fool anybody, Twister. Your juvenile tactics just bring you more shame. Keep it up. It looks good on you.

          • Spoob

            If the shoe fits, wear it, Himmler.

          • The Last Trump

            Soooo…..nothing by way of direct quotes. Again. Just baseless accusations and outright slander. Shocker. Just the regular LGBT tactics when facts and evidence are no where to be found to support their twisted cause. Gettin’ old!

          • Spoob

            When your actions and your words reveal you to be an utter fascist, why do you get upset when you are branded one? Your own words have condemned you.

          • The Last Trump

            Soooooo……no. Still nothing. Just more baseless slander. Yet you continue to post. How embarrassing.

          • Spoob

            For someone who only seems to be able to say “nothing,” you are sure blind to all the somethings you are posting. You’re not embarrassed. You’re hiding your intense seething hate and anger under the pretense of being a circus ringmaster, playing to the crowd. And it’s making you look very stupid.

          • The Last Trump

            ?? STILL posting about words you cannot quote? And I LOOK stupid!? Oh, Man! You are killin’ me! I LOOK STUPID!
            You really are too dumb to know any better, aren’t you? How sad. 🙁

          • Spoob

            Why do I need to quote you? You hate homosexuals, you hate Catholics, you hate Obama, you hate anyone who’s not a fundamentalist. Do you deny any of these things? No? Then what are you worked up about? You somehow feel these are good qualities that make you an ideal Christian who is so superior and so blessed that God speaks to you by name. And you flip out peeing your pants and playing the circus ringmaster to win the crowd over and divert attention from the insanity you spout. What have I got wrong, exactly? Seems pretty accurate to me.

          • Gary

            Why do you hate those you call ” fundamentalist Christians”??

          • Spoob

            Because of their arrogance, insistence at being right, refusal to listen to reason, refusal to budge from their positions ever after being proven wrong, because of their attempts to blur the boundaries between church and state, and because most of their beliefs are off the rails crazy.

          • Gary

            That’s remarkably similar to what the atheists say. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

          • The Last Trump

            If that doesn’t describe “Spoobs” and his friends I don’t know what does. Hello kettle. Meet pot.

          • Spoob

            I think not. What have you proven me wrong about?

          • The Last Trump

            Are you drunk? What HAVEN’T I! Please see any or all of my previous posts. Maybe take notes next time. 🙂

          • Spoob

            Considering the only book you have referenced has been the Bible, I suggest that you’re talking out your wazoo Trumpy. You have proven nothing.

          • Gary

            When did you become a Christian? And how did it happen?

          • GibbyD

            Spoob , you are the one that sounds arrogant , insistent on being right , refusing to listen to reason or budge from your position . . I also to not see anywhere that you have proven any of your accusations . Also there is a ” wall ” between church and state but that was mainly to keep government from interfering with religious freedom and also to prevent an official recognized exclusive specific religious denomination or flavor of Christianity that would be the only one in place for the Government of The United States. The founders did not want another situation as the one they came from in England when there was only one official and recognized church , The Church of England . Concerning Fundamentalist Christian beliefs , the term ” fundamentalist ” as it relates to Christianity goes back to about 1909 from a series of many articles authored by leading Christian scholars of that time that included R.A. Torrey , B. B. Warfield, James Orr, G. Campbell Morgan, Charles Erdman, H. C. G. Moule, and Bishop Ryle. Those articles , letters and writings, simply stated what are the accepted fundamentals of the faith of Christianity . They include , The Deity of Christ , salvation by grace through faith , and The final authority of The Bible . These were and are core beliefs of all professing born again Christians . The term is used today in a derogatory manner by those who do not ,for instance, believe in a literal resurrection of The LORD Jesus Christ or a literal bodily return as Christ had promised . Spoob , what helped convince me of the truth of Scripture was the mathematical statistical probability of 333 prophecies coming to pass that are all fulfilled by One Man. There are thousands of Scripture prophecies and the fact that they keep coming to pass , many in our life time, should give a person at least pause to consider that evidence . Even the science of Archaeology has slowly but surely begun to uncover the evidence and verify the claims of the Bible . As they dig , they will discover even more . I wish you would not be so critical of those who have believed and because of it , have become more zealous . “God did not send His Son into the World to condemn the world but that the world through Him might be saved” ( John 3:17). If you have not trusted in Christ , I hope you might consider some of these things and turn to Him in faith . It is simple , ” repentance toward God and faith toward The LORD Jesus Christ ” ( Acts 20:21; I John 5:13; Ephesians 2:8,9; Acts 16:31; John 3:3; I Peter 1:23; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Philippians 1:6)KJB

          • pax2u

            I see the similarities of the Fundamentalists, both Christian and Muslim

            the Christian “once saved always saved” believe that all sin is equal and that once a person is saved they can not lose their salvation, so they are free to murder others and still have their salvation, much like the Muslim fundamentalist that believe that a suicide bomber can kill the innocent and receive their paradise of 72 virgins

            and then their is Gary who wants to execute homosexuals and he is willing to carry out the deed, much like Iran or Saudi Arabia where the Muslim Fundamentalists execute homosexuals

          • Gary

            I don’t believe I have the right to murder anyone. I do believe that God gave the government the authority to execute people for certain crimes. But the government that is in place now is more likely to execute Christians than to execute those God commended to be executed. You really should stop lying and trying to talk about things you are ignorant of. But I expect you won’t.

          • pax2u

            Gary you posted this response

            pax2u Gary • an hour ago

            so you would be willing to execute homosexuals?

            Gary pax2u • an hour ago

            Yes.

          • Terry Roll

            Well guess what, you don’t live in a theocracy. You don’t get to kill gay people because your fairy tales tell you it is ok. Just like I don’t get to execute you for being mentally challenged.

          • pax2u

            Gary gives Christianity a bad name

          • Gary

            It is people who don’t believe the Bible and yet claim to be Christians, that give Christianity a bad name. It is people who sin and encourage others to sin, and yet claim they are Christians, who insult Christ.

          • pax2u

            Jesus Christ the New Covenant of the New Testament spoke of Love and Mercy, those who reject the Message of the Jesus Christ and the New Testament are stuck in the legalism of the Hebrew Roots Movement

            we should love the sinner and hate the sin, all sin, and support traditional marriage of one man and one woman, physical lust out side of the traditional marriage and those who act on that lust out side of the Traditional Marriage of one man and one woman sin,

          • Gary

            Your last paragraph is going to put you on bad terms with spoob and some of the other homosexual advocates.
            I have never heard of the Hebrew Roots Movement. I don’t believe anyone can earn salvation by keeping the OT law.

          • pax2u

            I still love the sinner, and hate the sin and will not execute those who I disagree with,

            do you ever eat NC BBQ? or go to Church on Sunday?

            so you can have Salvation and still not execute homosexuals as the Old Testament states?

          • Gary

            Those are stupid questions that would NEVER be asked by someone who understood Christianity.

          • pax2u

            sad that you do not have the intelligence to answer if those who eat North Carolina BBQ and attend a Sunday Sabbath should be put to death

            I understand why your old Testament legalism negates the Love and Mercy of Jesus Christ the New Covenant of the New Testament

            I will continue to pray to my Christian God Jesus Christ for your eternal soul, amen

          • Gary

            Really?

          • James Grimes

            He’s a moron.

      • James Grimes

        It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know you’re correct.

      • dark477

        Lets see, crime is down, the economy is doing fairly well and gay marriage is soon going to be legal in all 50 states. I’m not seeing a problem.

        • pax2u

          some times I think that they see the fact that they can not execute Homosexuals, as Gary wants, as an attack on their freedom of religion, very sad

          • The Last Trump

            So Pax is gay eh! Well, doesn’t that explain a lot.

          • pax2u

            no but I may still be on Gary’s execution list, his fascist final solution

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            I thought you patched things up with pax2u? That sure did not last long.

          • The Last Trump

            Correct. On both counts. Not long after we patched things up was he back badgering me about denominations and siding with the homosexuals I was engaged in conversations with. Who knew?
            Dropped by just to comment on Pax?
            On another note, some time ago I had commented on some particular topic and noticed that I had received an up vote from you. Just wanted to say thank you. It was refreshing to see that, though we have had our differences, you were still mature enough to support something I had commented on. I appreciated the up vote and respect you for not holding a grudge.
            So why don’t we try to find some common ground and avoid going back to the pointless mud slinging that poor Pax has, again, been reduced to? Sure would be nice to have some intelligent discussion around here once in a while. Instead of the circus it normally is.

          • pax2u

            when a hateful bigot, Gary, wants the government to execute homosexuals, do you support that? or am I mud slinging by condemning the execution of homosexuals?

          • Gary

            “And the LORD spake unto Moses saying, If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Leviticus 20: 1, 13

          • pax2u

            as a Christian I accept Jesus Christ, the New Testament and the New Covenant,

            are you now part of the Hebrew Roots Movement, have you given up North Carolina pork BBQ, deny the name of Jesus and only worship on the Saturday Sabbath?

          • Gary

            Show me where in the New Testament that command of God has been repealed? Where in the New Testament has “Thou shalt not steal” been repealed? Where in the NT, has “Thou shalt not commit adultery” been repealed. Where in the NT has “Thou shalt not covet” been repealed? Well?

          • pax2u

            Hebrews 8:13 – In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

            do you eat NC BBQ and only attend saturday Sabbath?

          • Gary

            So there are no moral standards now? Anything goes? I

          • pax2u

            should those who eat North Carolina BBQ be put to death?

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            The Last Trump: “On another note, some time ago I had commented on some particular topic and noticed that I had received an up vote from you. Just wanted to say thank you. It was refreshing to see that, though we have had our differences, you were still mature enough to support something I had commented on.”

            No problem. It is true that I do not play the enemy of my enemies is my friend game and try to assess meaning based on people’s comments and not stereotypes about their denominations. Sometimes the two intersect, though. Sometimes it is difficult to do, but I at least try to follow that rule.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            The Last Trump: “So why don’t we try to find some common ground and avoid going back to the pointless mud slinging that poor Pax has, again, been reduced to?”

            That sounds fine to me. I do not mind finding common ground, even though some would consider that off limits because it sounds too “ecumenical.”

          • pax2u

            The poor last Trump can not help wanting to lie about the beliefs of Christians, and now he wants to support and his execution list, as long as Gary hates Catholics

        • The Last Trump

          Crime is DOWN! I’ll have what you’re drinking! Gay marriage is on the rise so everything is peaches and cream in YOUR world eh? America is in a moral free fall and depravity runs rampant. Financial collapse is inevitable, jails are overflowing, the “family” unit is unrecognizable, and drugs, alcohol, violence and sexual anarchy permeate our society. The entire world has become a catastrophic mess morally, socially, fiscally, and academically. But hey, gays can marry!
          What a moron.

  • Samuel Stein

    The United States is founded on Christian beliefs. Eighty percent of Americans are Christians.