IRS vs. Kent Hovind: Imprisoned Evolutionary Foe Now Facing New Charges, Life Behind Bars

HovindPENSACOLA, Fla. — An imprisoned creation science evangelist and Baptist minister who refuted evolutionary theory and who has served eight years of a ten-year prison sentence is now fighting a new charge that would put him behind bars for life.

Kent Hovind, the founder of Creation Science Evangelism out of Pensacola, Florida, has been incarcerated since 2007 over 58 federal counts that largely center on alleged tax evasion. Hovind, who traveled the nation presenting talks about science and the Bible, had considered his ministry to be a church and considered himself to be a minister. Churches are not required to file taxes and are automatically exempt under the law.

But an official with Pensacola Christian College reported Hovind to the IRS, which concluded that those at Creation Science Evangelism did not technically consider the ministry to be their church. The government likewise did not believe Hovind when he said that those who served with him were missionaries but not employees. Hovind also stated that he did not receive any personal compensation from the ministry.

The IRS subsequently ordered Hovind to pay taxes as it would not permit Creation Science Evangelism to be classified as a church, and since it was not registered as a non-profit organization with the government entity.

In 2004, Hovind’s home was raided by IRS agents, and tax liens were placed against his property in the amount of  $504,957.24. He filed three separate lawsuits against the government in an attempt to stop the proceedings, which he viewed as harassment, but was unsuccessful.

In 2006, the case went to trial, and a jury convicted him on all 58 counts. His wife, Jo Delia, was convicted on 44 counts. In January 2007, he was sentenced to 10 years in prison, and remains incarcerated to this day.

Public opinion about the matter has been mixed, as some state that Hovind was wrongfully imprisoned or that his punishment was too severe. An online effort simply known as “Free Kent Hovind” exists to help seek the release of the evolutionary foe.

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But those behind the effort are once again stepping up their call to support Hovind as he is now being accused of mail fraud for using the prison mail system to contest the lien that was placed on his personal property. If convicted, reports state that he could face an additional 20-100 years behind bars, thus equating to a life sentence for Hovind.

His trial has been set from Feb. 9 through March 2 before Judge Margaret Casey Rodgers, who presided over his original trial in 2006.

“Judge Rodgers has exhibited an anti-Christian bias, having issued a court order to a school district to refrain from allowing religious activity in the form of prayer at school events,” states Rudy Davis with the Free Kent Hovind effort. “Dr. Hovind also claims Judge Rodgers stated his crimes were ‘worse than rape,’ or words to that effect at his January 2007 sentencing and he has several affidavits from others in the courtroom who claim to have heard Judge Rodgers make this statement as well.”

Wiley Drake, pastor of the First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., has also organized an event called “Boots on the Ground for Kent Hovind” from Feb. 5-10 at the Red Roof Inn in Pensacola, Fla. The event is said to involve a prayer rally and march in support of Hovind.


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  • Gary

    This is why you cannot trust the government. You can’t use the mail to address legal issues? What? This is the sort of insanity that the US Gov. has become known for.

    • Gorship

      Perhaps you could help me out with this, I’m failing to see why using the mail to communicate whats going on in your personal life is criminal activity?

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

        Only if you’re a Creationist.

        • mirele

          Then why aren’t Kent Ham of Answers in Genesis and Eric Hovind of Creation Today not in jail? I can explain why: Kent Hovind believes he does not have to pay taxes because he is a Sovereign Citizen.

          Dee Holmes
          http://www.hovindology.com

          • Guest

            Don’t think it isn’t coming for other Christians. I have seen Christian preachers arrested in Michigan for preaching against Islam, for praying at an abortion center. Look what Obama did to Nakoula Bassely Nakoula. It’s here.

          • RDH1988

            Prepare to stand and be ready…have courage brothers and sisters!

          • chthompson

            I pray that God will touch your heart and show you what you’re doing not only to Hovind and others but to your own soul. Let go of the hate and your desire for vengeance. Nobody deserves to spend 10 years in prison for tax violations. I will pray for you and the other people who dedicate their time to this.

          • mirele

            I don’t hate Kent Hovind. I want him to follow the law like every other American and pay his taxes. And, I would note, two tax protesters he worked with are serving long sentences. Joe Sweet-10 years, Lindsey Springer-15 years.

          • chthompson

            Of all the people who supposedly don’t follow the law in America (rapists, child molesters, murderers, robbers, drug traffickers) you have zeroed in on one pastor who supposedly doesn’t pay taxes because you want him to pay taxes? If that is true you need to think about your priorities.You have an obsession and hate that sound like mental illness or worse. I will continue to pray for you and that God would soften your heart.

          • mirele

            So sorry you believe some Christians are above the law of the land. You may wish to acquaint yourself with Romans 13:1-7.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            Rebellion is justified by oppressive laws and taxes. 2 Chron. 10:13-19.

            Disobedience to government is justified when government requires an ungodly or unlawful act. Exod. 1:15-20; Josh. 2:1-18.

            We are not to submit to human edicts when in conflict with Divine laws. Dan. 3:10-18; Dan. 6:7-23; Acts 4:13-21; Acts 5:16-32.

            We should disregard laws prohibiting the gospel. Acts 4:18-21; Acts 27-29.

            All taken from: “A Handbook of Bible Law”
            http://www.giveshare.org/Bible

            Whoops, I can’t hear you over the sound of the BIBLE.

          • RDH1988

            You go Regina! 100% true…and our taxation has become burdensome and evil.

          • charles mcdowell

            Lel , we won’t hear you in jail if you don’t obey the law : / .

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            First of all it’s LOL, not Lel. What the heck is Lel??
            Second, you can’t lock away an idea. You can try, but you will fail.
            Third, the Founding Fathers rebelled against oppressive laws and taxes and none of them got locked up. But hey, keep enjoying the freedom they secured for you by endorsing tyranny. Oh the irony!
            Fourth, what is with that : / emoticon? (-‸ლ) you see that, that’s called a facepalm, it is appropriate to this conversation. Not : /
            Fifth, you just love being a cheerleader for tyranny don’t you, well let me tell you something kid, the same dudes who will try to lock me up for speaking the truth are the same ones who will not hesitate to destroy you as well. But hey, as long as you’re on the “winning team” huh?
            In summation: The internet, you’re doing it wrong therefore your argument is invalid. LURK MOAR.

          • David C. Sisson

            you say the non of the founding fathers were locked up. wow. most that signed the declaration of independence lost everything. Many lost their lives at the hands of the British, some had their families executed as revenge for their stance. I agree with your general ideas, but you need to look up some history.

          • FPrefect

            You were on a role there. Why did you blow it with that last sentence?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            I have a big mouth and don’t know when to shut up.

          • http://www.truthtv.us Jacob Kachelhofer

            Spot on, Regina.

          • chthompson

            Kent Hovind said he would be happy to pay any tax he owes.

          • cheesphht

            And there’s the crux of the matter. What does he owe? And to whom does he owe it, if he owes? No one knows where the Fed tax money goes to. There hasn’t been an audit since … ?
            Does anyone realize that you’re 4th and 5th amendment rights that those in the Fed have sworn to protect are violated merely by filling out a 1040 form? If the 16th Amendment overrides the other two don’t those two have to have their own Amendment passed clearly stating that they are repealed?
            Simply by that you should be able to see that only in the Fed Jurisdiction – which is DC — can any of those things apply legally. And there are cases that support these facts.

          • RDH1988

            Christians have the right to ignore government laws that are morally wrong or evil…taxation in this country has gone way over the top of what is constitutional…the left are the truly greedy ones because they want MY money…

          • FPrefect

            Beyond a right, they have a duty to. However, Christians are also taught to give to Caesar what is Caesar’s. Roman taxation wasn’t exactly fair either. The line you walk appears pretty thin. Be careful it doesn’t slice you.

          • cheesphht

            Are you saying that we live where a Caesar reigns? If so, then why elections? Are they really just for show?

          • Charles

            Yes.

          • http://www.truthtv.us Jacob Kachelhofer

            A fair point, FPrefect, but let’s not forget (as most seem to have) that the Constitution is the law to govern the government, and is in fact, therefore, OUR Caesar. Not the government or any one of the tens of thousands of absurdly contradictory laws they legislate.

            We are all of us, in this backwards and oppressive and Godless system, unindicted felons.

          • ppp777

            Thats socialism for you .

          • JenniferGerber

            Yeah those evil socialists. Taxing people and using it for firestations that protect YOUR home, police that protect YOU, roads that YOU drive on. Greedy pigs they are. You should just get all those things for free because you’re a special snowflake.

          • csabygod

            The tax collected by the IRS, doesn’t pay for government services. It goes to service the 16 trillion dollar unfunded liabilities of UNITED STATES OF AMERICA INC. Every dime spent by the crime syndicate in D.C. is borrowed, fiat currency, loaned by the private Federal Reserve Corp., the US subsidiary of a global banking oligarchy.

          • Charles

            The whole system is a scam.. Most don’t know that unfortunately..

          • David C. Sisson

            the law of the land allows freedom of religion and religious tax exemption.

          • csabygod

            Romans 13 is every statist’s most oft utilized passage. It doesn’t teach unconditional obedience to any and every demand of civil government. Rather it sets forth the purpose of government, and ascribes their authority as being from God; and defines it’s legitimate function, namely, to protect the innocent (law keepers) and punish the evil doer (law breaker).
            Theft is a violation of the law of God, even if government is the thief. You see, not everything g Caesar claims is his.

          • Charles

            No.. God’s laws are above the land.

          • http://www.truthtv.us Jacob Kachelhofer

            Mirele, I’m afraid that you and scores of other people who throw this up as if it’s some kind of trump card are not thinking what you are suggesting through to its logical conclusions.

            Do you realize that when you are saying things like this you are siding with a criminally insane, murderous, deceitful, diabolical, devil-worshiping entity that is openly persecuting your brother in the faith once delivered to the very saints who were sawn asunder and thrown to the lions by the sort of people you seem to think that passage is a blanket command to obey without question or reserve?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            Did you know that our founding fathers were Tax Protestors? Would you demand they be imprisoned as well?
            Besides that, what’s wrong with protesting against unfair taxation? People throw “Soverign Citizen” and “Tax Protestor” around like it’s a cuss word. Honey, they’re just doing what every other founding father did when they were sick of getting abused by a tyrannical gov’t.

          • mirele

            For the Founders, it was taxation without representation, not no taxes ever. Kent Hovind is a longtime tax evader and he disgraces the name of Jesus.

          • chthompson

            Strange to hear that coming from a fanatical anti-Christian bigot. Hovind has brought thousands of people to Christ and Salvation which is why Satan and his minions hate him with such a passion. May God forgive you.

          • mirele

            I’m sorry, but countering the falsehoods being promoted by Hovind’s followers does not make me a bigot. I won’t be responding to.any further remarks from you.

            Dee Holmes
            http://www.hovindology.com

          • chthompson

            I’m not surprised you won’t be responding. The truth hurts. I will continue to pray for you.

          • FPrefect

            You won the contest of stamina against him. Congratulations! It’s a shame that you lost the argument awhile back and had to resort to allegations of bigotry. Can’t win on the merits? Attack the arguer personally! Yeah, you sure showed mirele!

          • Jo

            Too bad you are one of the sleepers. I bet you have no idea how money is created, and how you were enslaved by the federal reserve bank, and the bankruptcy of 1933. You might want to start learning. No man owes taxes because money is created off of your “the person’s”signature. It is an enslavement tool for off shore bankers Rothschild/Rockefeller. They own it all including you.

          • dstruse

            You should try actually reading the Constitution. Article I, section 9 states, “No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.” A capitation tax is any direct tax on an individual, like income tax. It wasn’t until 1913 that the 16th Amendment changed the law and allowed government to tax our income. The founding fathers were long dead by that time.

          • csabygod

            The 16th ammendment was inserted during the congressional Christmas break of 1913, when congress was not in session. It was also never ratified by the required 2/3rd of the states. This is public record.

          • dstruse

            Yes, that’s correct. My point was that the founders were against ALL taxes.
            Because the 16th amendment was never ratified, it’s not really a binding law, which is why the few who are brave enough to risk the wrath of an unethical government dare to protest it.

          • OldArkie

            That’s good, he needs to follow the law, but he loves money and he haters to pay taxes. Paying taxes interferes with his wants and high living before he went to jail. He can not be content he wants a big bundle. Sorry, but we Christians have many that are very money hungry and make it bad for the rest of us. Of course they probably would say I’m not a Christian just because I have little and I’m content.

          • chthompson

            Kent was not money hungry in the slightest and lived about as humbly as one can. His ministry was bringing in millions yet he lived like a lower middle class person. If you were a Christian you would never defame a brother like that especially in such ignorance.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            FALSE ACCUSERS like you, BURN IN HELL!

          • OldArkie

            And you claim to be a saved soul yet wish others to burn in Hell, its seems you have no love for Christ, if you did you would never wish any soul to burn in Hell, instead you would have a burden for every lost soul to be saved. Love of money has ruined many a soul.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            Your FALSE ACCUSATIONS will take you to Hell.

          • csabygod

            That’s a very convenient concept for you. But Christians are taught to hate God’s enemies, and all that He hates. Shall I begin quoting verses?

          • OldArkie

            So your a hater while claming to be a Christians.

            Mt 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
            Mt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

            You have not studied the Bible, or you would drop the hate so you could please Jesus.

            If your a Christians your to carry the Gospel to the lost, never hating them.

            Of course it seems you think very highly of self, and fail to understand, if your really saved, Jesus died for you while you were His enemy.

            Ro 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
            Ro 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

            Yes, you need to do some study, so that you can, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15

            Your to be longsuffering just as God is.

            2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

            Maybe this will help you out a bit, getting you on the right track.

          • David C. Sisson

            you are confusing Kent with the money grubbing shysters on daytime television.

          • OldArkie

            Sorry, your wrong, I do not watch daytime TV nor nighttime TV either.

          • David C. Sisson

            When armed robbers and violent offenders currently get out of jail on probation with no time served, how is this justified when he is a non violent offender. Drumming up mail fraud and bringing him before a court where a judge is a known Christian persecutor is proof in itself that this is a guy being railroaded for his ministry, in order to stop his fight against evolution. The IRS has been outed as an attack dog for the left. This has nothing to do with mail fraud, but is an attempt to put their enemy away forever.

          • csabygod

            There is no law that requires private, free men, to pay any portion of their wages to a private corporate subcontractor of the Treasury Dept. The 13th ammendment outlawed forced servitude. Hovind is guaranteed equal protection, per the 14th ammendment. If there is anyone that is not required to pay, NO ONE has to pay. The largest corporations in America pay little to no income tax. ‘Income’ is defined by the US Supreme Court as, ‘the profit derived from corporate activity.’ Not the fruit of a man’s labor. Facts are stubborn things…

          • sundownersteve

            and there are thousands of killers that served less than eight years for murder. not even most murderers serve their whole sentence. thats all right GOD will get him out soon if he is still following the LORD. this is the year of the LORDS return. the devil is gone in seven!

          • charles mcdowell

            *cricket noises as nothing happens, and tax violators remain in prison for 10 years* , but hey at least you prayed right?

          • chthompson

            I was praying for Mirele. God will use Kent’s imprisonment for His Glory and His purposes. Almost all of Christ’s original apostles were martyred but that means nothing. This life and this world are nothing. God and His Kingdom are the only thing that matter. The devil thinks he’s winning but he is already doomed. Read the end of the story and act accordingly. Your eternal soul is at stake.

          • FPrefect

            Mathew 6:4 comes to mind here. Please go ahead pray for Mirele and me while you’re at it but don’t think for a moment that your arrogance about it counts. Ask yourself for whose glory you are fighting? God’s or yours?

          • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

            You don’t know the bible – that verse has nothing to do with Christians uniting to Free Kent Hovind

            You are disqualified from quoting the bible.

            CHRISTIANS MUST UNIT THE RECLAIM AMERICA AND OUR FIRST FIGHT IS TO #FREEKENT >> http://www.freekenthovind.com

          • Frankoliotistein

            You are not very good at twisting the Bible. I only see your arrogance. I have no doubt you are a Satanist.

          • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

            Hovindology allies with Peter Reilly and RLBaty who admits he is lying about Kent Hovind on purpose.

            EXPOSED >>> http://freekenthovind.com/2015/01/31/unreal-non-stop-defamatory-remarks-kent-hovind/

            Do not pay attention to these false accusers

      • Sarah Rodriguez

        Umm are you people really this ignorant? He used the mail to fraudently cloud the title of his property after the irs seized for failure to pay taxes

        • jmichael39

          Enlighten us ‘ignorant’ folk, Sarah. How does one cloud the title of one’s property via U.S. mail? And where, exactly, in this article does it say anything like that? I’m curious, because us ‘ignorant’ folks didn’t see anything in the article to suggest that.

          • Tim Smith

            You have to google it and read more articles on this case to get more facts. I don’t think you are ignorant, but I would say you are lazy…

          • jmichael39

            LMAO…While I spent time last night figuring out that the Ark Project is indeed a non-profit organization…contrary to what those speaking against this man were saying…you have the audacity to call ME lazy. Piss off.

        • Gary

          How could he cloud the title to property after the irs seized it?

          • Sarah Rodriguez

            By filing a lis pendins, read the court documents idiots

          • RDH1988

            Which is legal…it is up to the legal system to agree to honor it or dismiss it…not something that earns one life in prison..

        • RDH1988

          and how do you think this “Crime” warrants a life sentence compared to the likes of Al Sharpton?

  • bowie1

    Could he not register it as an educational, non-profit organization since that would most likely be considered eligible for tax exemptions?

    • mirele

      He could, but Kent Hovind is a Sovereign Citizen and thinks the government has no authority over him.

      • pax2u

        what country is he a sovereign citizen?

        • mirele

          He’s not. It’s an illegitimate legal framework unsuccessfully used by some people to get out of tax, regulation and licensing requirements expected of American citizens.

          Dee Holmes
          http://www.hovindology.com

          • pax2u

            maybe when he is out of prison he should find a country that agrees with his idea of creative accounting

          • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

            You should ask Peter Reilly, a friend of RLBaty the admitted liar. He is a CPA and I hear they are good at hiding money.

          • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

            Hovindology, Robert Baly/RLBaty and Kent Hovind and Jo Hovind USA IRS Facebook page admits they are liars…

            RLBaty accused Kent Hovind of having a girlfriend and women and admits he is a liar saying, “it is most appropriate to offer alternative explanations”

            PROOF THEY ARE LIARS >> http://freekenthovind.com/2015/01/31/unreal-non-stop-defamatory-remarks-kent-hovind/

            This sovereign citizen thing you guys like to throw around is ridiculous. Stop using that smoke and mirror BS.

  • Bill

    And yet Al Sharpton is a professional racist that owes millions to the IRS , and , well, nothing…hmmmm……….

    • Jason G. Whosoever

      I was just thinking the exact same thing Bill. smh.

    • The Lone Ranger

      But Al has a get out of jail free card you said it he’s a professional and he’s not the only one, however right is right and wrong is wrong

    • alnga

      AL Sharpton was never accused of being a Christian either.
      .

      • tigerlilly66

        What? The “reverend” Al Not-So-Sharpton? As an agitator of men, he makes Hovind look like Shirley Temple. A very good reason why NO man who has character would ever allow himself to be referred to as “Reverend”. That title belongs to Jehovah alone – Allah is not god.

        • ppp777

          Yahweh , not jeehovah

          • tigerlilly66

            Don’t split Hebrew hairs with me…I’m not a 3rd grader. Yaweh IS Jehovah and Jesus is Yshua Homishiach.

            When you learn to even properly spell Jehovah, do ring me back up!

          • ppp777

            The word Jehovah was an abreviation from the jews who did not want to mention Gods name , there is no such name as jehovah .God gave his name on the burning bush , so that makes you lower than a 3rd grader .

          • David C. Sisson

            wow, you guys fighting over absolutely nothing.

          • banner

            ppp777: you are incredibly rude!

          • ppp777

            More hurt feelings , yawn .

          • Ernie NJ

            you two need a time out (ppp777 & tigerlilly66 🙂 Abba said

          • drjgorman

            Sorry, but that is not correct. The name was YHWH, in Hebrew. Ancient Hebrew had no written vowels. Without vowel points, we have no way of knowing exactly how it was to be pronounced. The name that the Jews used, to keep from speaking the name of God, was Adonai (translated Lord) not Jehova or Jaweh.

            Of course, none of this has anything to do with the discussion at hand.

          • ppp777

            The name Yehweh was the name God gave to Moses .

          • drjgorman

            That is correct, and because there were no vowels, it was YHWH, so we still don’t know how it was pronounced. That is why I don’t argue over pronunciation.

      • Clark9017

        Al Sharpton is not a white Christian and he votes Democrat, that’s the difference.

        • Crusader Ron :E

          He’s not a Christian.. .at all.

    • Edward Althouse

      he is free because he is black.

      • Aj

        Because he’s black? that’s the pot calling the kettle stupid because he’s black! Really? the majorityof peoplein jail are black.. Don’t normally cast pearls among swine but maybe one might knock some sense in your brain. Evil doesn’t have a color.. God bless you…

        • ppp777

          Colour

          • Kirstin Betts

            Kent Hovind is in jail because he exposed the illuminati and ruffled many evolutionist feathers including infiltrators at Pensacola Christian college. Religious persecution and shame on all the Christians who have believed the worst about him.

          • Tom Ripley

            So, if someone preaching young earth creationism evades taxes, should he go free of charge?

            And while christians do face persecution in certain areas of the world, I don’t think USA is one of them: https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecution/world-watch-list/

            All thought it doesn’t surprise me at all that certain people are spinning this story into their “persecution narrative”. Mark my words: it isn’t helping your cause. It’s only making you look immature.

          • Richard Hill

            Your assessment is incorrect. Shuttling the Kent Hovind issue into the “persecution narrative” compartment does not erase all of the known details of the entire case. The presiding/sentencing judge brought her own personal opinions into the judgement. The persecution is evident here. The sentencing to prison was because Kent Hovind is too powerful of a speaker. He exposes many of the evolution teachings that are fraudulent.

          • Richard Hill

            The Kent Hovind case is lop sided justice. The U.S. Attorneys who brought the charges and the sentencing judge should all have their official conduct and behavior examined overall. Hovind got punishment way over what others would have received.

            Of course, ex- U.S. Attorney John Atchison’s motivations for pressing charges against Hovind will never be known. And the reason that is, is one of the very reasons that I feel that Hovind was, to a degree, railroaded.

          • Richard Hill

            Tom, You do take the intellectual side to explain these things away to your own satisfaction. We can see that.
            There is evil in this world and it can come in the form of soft-spoken and nice-behaving people. When you, Tom, were a little boy, and if your father saw you putting a metal fork into an a.c. outlet, his love for you would have caused him to Yell at you very Loudly and even give you a solid smack on your butt. And that would have been to protect your life.
            Now- conversely- If a con-man has a plan to swindle you, he will be soft-spoken and behave like he is your best friend.
            That’s how the devil works.
            Think About It.

          • JenniferGerber

            Christiannews.net why did you not post my reply to Kirstin Betts?

          • Michael

            ppp777, “Colour” is the Brittish spelling of the word. Such is the case for “theater (American)” and “theatre (Brittish).” Quit being so prescriptive, you make yourself look bad.

          • ppp777

            Just giving you the unbastardised spelling of the word .

          • Michael

            Bastardization is a natural part of our mongrel language, English. Language is constantly narrowing and expanding. In fact, your assent toward speaking Modern English shows that you are complacent with how the language has changed. And, contextually, “color” is a standard part of American English and, last I checked, this forum was on an American topic. So, again, chill out with your pretentious prescriptivism.

        • David C. Sisson

          no because of his color, but because of his position and status, his willingness to follow the liberal agenda. Kent is in jail because of his position, status, and unwillingness to follow Satan’s agenda. The IRS has been the attack dog of the socialist party for some time now. Protecting their own, but destroying anyone that opposes them. The only way to free Kent is to abolish the IRS and dig up their records.

    • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

      Christian’s need to unite to reclaim America and our first fight is to #FreeKent

      Public opinion wants Kent Hovind free >> http://freekenthovind.com/2015/02/03/public-opinion-favors-kent-hovind-get-ready-america/

      Anti-christian Judge Rodgers says Kent Hovind’s “crime” is worse than rape >> http://freekenthovind.com/2015/02/03/urgent-proof-judge-margaret-casey-rodgers-rape-comment/

      Anti-christian bias Judge Rodgers says Kent is head of a Criminal Organization >> http://freekenthovind.com/2015/02/02/shocking-speech-judge-margaret-casey-rodgers-just-sentencing/

      20 Facts Proving Immoral Deviants Imprisoned Kent Hovind >> http://freekenthovind.com/2015/02/02/20-facts-proving-immoral-deviants-imprisoned-kent-hovind/

      EXPOSED RLBaty Hovindology and Kent Hovind and Jo Hovind vs USA IRS facebook page admit they are lying about Kent >> http://freekenthovind.com/2015/01/28/exposed-liars-kent-hovind-jo-hovind-v-usa-irs/

    • RDH1988

      That is the hypocrisy and agenda of the people in power in this country now…the evil ones will go unpunished…but they are shortsighted because they forget about eternity!

      • charles mcdowell

        yeaaaaaaaa….sure….Kent has been locked up for 8 years now and the government has moved on. I don’t think there is no mysterious eternal punishment awaiting around the corner for the people who work in the government, just 2 more years of imprisonment for Kent.

        • chthompson

          We’ll find out on Judgement Day. Get right with the Lord before then is the best advice anybody can give you!

        • Richard Hill

          Back in 2006 Kent Hovind had prosecutor ex- U.S. Attorney John Atchison filing charges against him. We can’t be sure of John Atchison’s motivations to bring charges against Hovind. That’s because in 2007 John Atchison committed suicide upon facing his own prison time for 1.) sex with a five year old little girl and 2.) Child pornography.

      • Gene Debs

        The record would seem to indicate otherwise in all respects.

    • Therealpatriot2013jrd

      As my boss told me when I was 18 years old, it is not who YOU know, but who knows you…..in this comparison you make, it could not be plainer.

      If you are conservative, white, believe in God, have no ”friends” in the government, and actively speak the truth against cornerstones …(atheism and evolution)… of the democrat party’s affinity for anti-god ideology, you will pay the maximum penalty for any or little infraction.

      Kent Hovind may know people, but no one KNOWS Kent, except to persecute, harass and imprison him.

      If, however, you are a black racist liberal radical democrat, who has friends in high places of our government, you can do anything and get away with little or no penalty. Al Sharpton is known by all the right people of power in the democrat party, the justice department and the IRS. That is the difference.

      Not an apologist for Hovind, but there are murderers, rapists, drug lords etc. that get less time behind bars than Hovind has received. There is no justice, just law of the jungle for those opposed to radical liberalism and it’s ideologies.

  • Jack the Baptizer

    Well, there you have it. This is why my church chose not to incorporate. We have to give individually to causes, but it’s far better than collecting money and then allowing the government the right to scrutinize it. There is no actual refuge from this nonsense. Lord come soon, they’ve chased us to the cliff’s edge!

  • Peter J Reilly

    There is a lot to this story. Treatment of Hovind has been harsher than some, but he has chosen to associate with tax defiers. http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2015/01/13/looking-at-kent-hovinds-innocence-claims/

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

      Actually, if you listen to his interviews, he’s consistently said that he’s NOT a tax protestor. You can even ask him yourself. Check out lonestar1776 on youtube.

      • Peter J Reilly

        I have spoken to him. His argument that he is not a tax protester does not stand up that well to the “walks like a duck, talks like a duck, seen in the company of ducks” standard

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

          Well by that logic, would you say that Our Lord Jesus was a prostitute or tax collector? He was after all seen in the company of such people and defended them…But hey, don’t judge the individual by the content of their character, judge them by a stereotype. I believe Dr. Martin Luther King said that once.

          • Peter J Reilly

            There is also the “walk like a duck” factor. Kent renounced his social security number and said that he did not file Form 1040 for over 20 years and turned the running of his ministry over to Glenn Stoll.

          • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

            Please refer to the comment above and below.

            By your own standard you are communicating and purporting ducking liars.

          • mirele

            You continue to prove nothing. Instead you spread ad hominems about those of us who have read the transcripts and trial docs. Inhave them on my website.

            Dee Holmes
            http://www.hovindology.com

          • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

            We have court docs as well at http://www.freekenthovind.com

            Again It’s proven RLBaty is a liar, he admits it himself… You and Peter need to distance yourself from this guy if you want to be taken serious….

            PROOF >> http://freekenthovind.com/2015/01/31/unreal-non-stop-defamatory-remarks-kent-hovind/

            If you do not, according to Peters duck standard, you all are ducking liars…

          • ter ber

            So you wanted a metal for having them on your web sight?

          • ter ber

            You do know SSI started out as voluntary. You are supposed to be the real estate tax expert right? Your duck thing is getting a tad old at this point. Is a lis pendes illegal to file on a property or is it a legal document? What can you tell us about Timothy Guintner tax problems, did he ever pay up?

        • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

          And you are in constant communication with liars like RLBaty so your walk like a duck, and talk like a duck standard shows you are in cahoots with ducking liars…

          RLBaty admits he is a liar (and Peter is constantly linking to them and communicating with them) >> http://freekenthovind.com/2015/01/31/unreal-non-stop-defamatory-remarks-kent-hovind/

          EXPOSED Hovindology and facebook page Kent Hovind and Jo Hovind vs USA IRS >>> http://freekenthovind.com/2015/01/28/exposed-liars-kent-hovind-jo-hovind-v-usa-irs/

        • jmichael39

          Wait, Obama spends his entire life being mentored by known Marxists and hangs out with known terrorists, but that ‘walks like a duck’ idea didn’t seem to apply to him. Why should it apply to anyone else?

      • Ambulance Chaser

        Oh, well, he said it, so I guess that makes it true.

    • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

      Peter you ally yourself with RLBaty from Hovindology and the lying facebook page Kent Hovind and Jo Hovind vs USA IRS who admit they is a liars…

      PROOF >>> http://freekenthovind.com/2015/01/31/unreal-non-stop-defamatory-remarks-kent-hovind/

      I appreciate you trying to shine light on the situation but you need to distance yourself from these defamers, immediately.

      • Peter J Reilly

        Baty’s coverage is pretty thorough and includes most of your material. He does sometimes make unfounded speculations as do many of Kent’s supporters. Maybe it is contagious. Listening to Sam and Dan last night I learned that I had been a Jesuit for eight years.

        • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

          How is referring to IRS own publications, the Bill of Rights and Constitution speculation lol

          Again, you are suppose to be a journalist and in which case it’s best you stay away from RLBaty and crew.

          You all said the Judge’s “worse than rape” claim was false if not disinigious at best.. Well here is the proof that people witnessed it >> http://freekenthovind.com/2015/02/03/urgent-proof-judge-margaret-casey-rodgers-rape-comment/

          • Peter J Reilly

            I never expressed an opinion about the “worse than rape” statement. I’m a tax blogger, which is only sort of a journalist, but I guess you are saying I should rely on your and Ernie and Rudy for all my information if I want to do a good job. I’ll have to reflect on that.

          • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

            Again, you should distance yourself from RLBaty and friends because they are constantly saying things that are purposefully wrong.. lying on purpose..

            According to your walk like a duck, talk like a duck standard you are in cahoots with ducking liars.

          • mirele

            I’m the.person who showed that the five affidavits currently available were all executed witgin a few days of each other in April 2008. One of the affidavits was signed by Jo Hovind, Kent’s wife and codefendant . Another was signed by Kent A. Hovind,.Kent’s son. These are not didinterested parties.

            Moreover, the affidavits were collected for Lindsey Springer, a known tax protester who is currently a guest of the Bureau of Prisons until 2023. None of this inspires faith in thenveracity of the account as given.

            Dee Holmes
            http://www.hovindology.com

          • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

            You all were the ones that said Kent was a liar for not providing proof the Judge made the “worse than rape” claim.. no back peddling from that…

            We have affidavits here >> http://freekenthovind.com/2015/02/03/urgent-proof-judge-margaret-casey-rodgers-rape-comment/

            Again, distance yourself from RLBaty to be taken serious. The guy admitted he is a liar and is spread lies… Hovindology and Kent Hovind and Jo Hovind vs IRS is spreading lies….

            PROOF >>> http://freekenthovind.com/2015/01/31/unreal-non-stop-defamatory-remarks-kent-hovind/

          • mirele

            And you obviously didn’t read what.I posted above. Of the five affidavits presented, one was by Jo Hovind, also convicted with Kent, and by Kent’s son Kent A. The e-mail included with the affidavits indicated they were collected for a known tax protester and convicted tax evader Lindsey Springer. This calls the veracity of the affidavits into question.

            But you’re not about truth, are you? You don’t even sign your nameto your posts.

            Dee Holmes
            http://www.hovindology.com

          • ter ber

            So? They wanted to get it on paper while it’s fresh in their minds. Little did everyone know the powers that be or the judge would have it removed from the transcripts which is illegal. I’m sure that was one of the reasons it took 3 times as long for them to receive a copy. The other reason being to miss the appeal deadline.

          • mirele

            Kent Hovind did not miss his appeal. He got his appeal and the 11th Circuit issued its decision on December 28, 2008.

            https://www.dropbox.com/s/yne609lbcmqmusf/245770913-USA-v-Kent-Hovind-Appeal.pdf?dl=0

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            Statists gonna State.

            Go worship the BEAST elsewhere, whore.

          • Mike

            Please tell me how any of this means Kent Hovind is guilty of anything that should have him in Prison?

            The reality here is the Constitution clearly states that people can FREELY exercise their faith.

            Whether you like Hovind or not does not change the fact that he was operating under the Constitutional Right to FREELY exercise his faith!!

            Do you know that the Bible says(which is his faith) that those who Preach the Gospel should receive their living from the Gospel?

            I mean this entire case and his imprisonment is an Unconstitutional attack against a man who was speaking out against evolution.

    • chthompson

      Is it a crime to associate with “tax defiers”? Christ chose to associate with sinners of all sorts even tax collectors. That was a huge deal back then. He who is without sin cast the first stone.

    • Raz

      Association with tax protestors is a crime?

    • Raz

      Association with tax protestors is a crime?

    • DBlain

      Well, since, as a general rule, taxation is theft (taking someone’s property on threat of violence), I tend to regard all “tax defiers” as heroes, regardless of their religion, race, or anything else about them. Tax defiers are just people who stand up to massive bullies who want their lunch money.

  • Lisa Ann Gohn

    He has the right under the constitution to defend himself, whether in prison or not.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

    Goodbye freedom of speech.

  • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

    ATTENTION READERS:
    Christians need to unite to reclaim America and our first fight is to #FreeKent!

    Thank you Christian News, God Bless you for helping us.

    GET ACTIVE >> http://www.freekenthovind.com

  • Donna Cagle

    Wow, just wow… Shame on Christians who do not stand up for this man.

    • dark477

      He broke the law, christians do not have the right to do that no matter how much they want to

      • Guest

        He’s been framed, just like they framed Nakoula Bassely Nakoula for his Mohammad video.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Show us some evidence.

          • Guest

            That’s already answered in a post above.

            You make a habit of frequenting Christian topics and harassing believers. Why?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I don’t harass anyone. Harassment would be chasing people where and when they want to be left alone. Posting my thoughts on a topic, in a public forum dedicated to that topic, cannot even charitably be called harassment by any definition.

            As for why Iause this site and its readership frequently have problems understanding facts, and I wish to set them straight.

          • Guest

            You do harass posters. You seek out Christian websites and topics, and endlessly nitpick Christian posters.

            As far as readership having problems, I could say that about you should I want to be unkind. Instead, I’ll be gracious to you and state that if you have a law degree, good for you. Many people do. There are also plenty of Christian posters here who have more education and experience than you do, but they choose not to brag about it.

          • FPrefect

            There are more restrictive forums where one needs to be a Christian to participate. When you chose a public one to voice your opinion, you run the risk of encountering people who disagree with you. Quit crying. Surely you’re bigger than that.

          • Guest

            On the contrary, I am not crying, nor am I even complaining. I’m merely calling a poster out on his penchant for purposely seeking out Christian forums to harass posters. That’s called being a “troll”. I have no problem in carrying out discussions with serious debaters.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            Leave the Christians alone, chaser. Persecutor. Liar. Harasser. FILTH.

            Oh, and GO TO HELL!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            So, let me get this straight: You would prefer to go to a discussion board that’s just a bunch of people who already agree with each other, sitting around agreeing with each other? And if those people’s understanding of the law is incorrect, you want to just keep being incorrect?

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            You don’t love the truth, so piss off.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            That’s not in any way a response to what I said. But for your information, I care very much about the truth.

        • Sarah Rodriguez

          U just made that up, which is a sin and god will judge you

          • Guest

            I didn’t make that up. Do you not stay abreast of current events?

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            You slick serpent Rodriguez. Your slimy ways shall choke the life out of you soon enough. May it be TODAY. In Jesus’ Holy Name. Amen.

          • Sarah Rodriguez

            So I’m still alive a year later. Maybe Jesus was only a dirty jew living in the middle east, long dead

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            Your day will come, cunt. COUNT ON IT.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

        Rebellion is justified by oppressive laws and taxes. 2 Chron. 10:13-19.

        Disobedience to government is justified when government requires an
        ungodly or unlawful act. Exod. 1:15-20; Josh. 2:1-18.

        We are not to submit to human edicts when in conflict with Divine laws.
        Dan. 3:10-18; Dan. 6:7-23; Acts 4:13-21; Acts 5:16-32.

        We should disregard laws prohibiting the gospel. Acts 4:18-21; Acts
        27-29.

        All taken from: “A Handbook of Bible Law”
        http://www.giveshare.org/BibleLaw/lawhandbook/

        • dark477

          it doesn’t matter what your book says you don’t have the right to disobey the law.

          • FPrefect

            Well, unjust laws deserve to disobeyed and broken. I don’t think any of the laws Kent broke were unjust though and he got what he deserved. Still, I won’t abandon the right to break the unjust ones.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            We ought to obey God rather than men.

            Amen.

            Further, MINISTRIES ARE EXEMPT FROM THE IRS BEAST!! Can’t you read. Oh, that’s right, you are in the dark477. DARK. BLIND.

          • dark477

            This isn’t ministry and law of man is what you should be following if you want to keep living in this society.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            The law of man can be decent – if it is in line with the Law of God. 🙂 Outside of that, it is corrupt and full of Hell. Hell on earth.

          • dark477

            the law of man is the only law that matters here.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            Wrong again darko. God’s Law is supreme.

          • dark477

            really? what document in America make s that so?

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            The Bible. Not just in “America”, fool.

          • dark477

            the bible’s not a legal document. there is no law or document in America or any other nation that gives the bible authority

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            The Bible contains God’s Law: the highest in the universe. 🙂

        • Erin Imagine

          jury nullification, we just need one intelligent juror

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            Probably why they dismissed TWO juries…until they got a bunch of lying fools.

      • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

        Sez u.

        DrDino.com is a Christian MINISTRY and is exempt from the IRS BEASTs. You God damned FOOL of a LIAR!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

    1) “The IRS subsequently ordered Hovind to pay taxes as it would not permit
    Creation Science Evangelism to be classified as a church, and since it
    was not registered as a non-profit organization with the government
    entity.” A church does NOT have to register as a non-profit organization (501 c3) Although it is commonplace for churches to register as a 501 c3, they are already covered under the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION- do you remember that document folks? It’s the one our nation was founded upon. Besides that the Bible explicitly says in Exodus 23:32, Exodus 34:12, Deuteronomy 7:2, and Judges 2:2…Do not make covenants with non-believers. And if that isn’t enough for you, Jesus Himself said “Render unto Casear what is Casear’s, but render unto God what is His.” The church belongs to God, not the Gov’t therefore, registering a church as a 501 c3 is a slap in the face of the Almighty.
    What the IRS is doing here is BLATANTLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
    2) “and tax liens were placed against his property” That was not his property, it belongs to the church. 3) “contest the lien that was placed on his personal property.” That was not his personal property, it belongs to the church. Basically, it would be like if you owed back taxes and worked for walmart, the IRS will confiscate the walmart saying it was your own personal property.
    4) “he is now being accused of mail fraud for using the prison mail system
    to contest the lien that was placed on [church propery]” Actually, what he was filing is what’s called a “Lis Pendens” which mean “litigation pending” it is a notification to anyone who purchases a disputed piece of property. It’s sort of a “buyer beware”. Considering that the property belongs to the CHURCH and NOT Kent Hovind himself, he is doing the right thing…and of course getting punished for it.

    Finally, Kent Hovind is a non-violent person, he does not deserve life in prison! Heck, KNOWN murderers, drug dealers, and rapists get less time then he does. What does that tell you about the power of the IRS? Pay your taxes, even if you don’t really owe them anything. THEY WANT THEIR BLOOD MONEY.

    • ter ber

      Beautifully stated Regina. Thank you for your thoughtful input.

  • alnga

    remember folks that the church is not a building it is the body of believers assembled together for prayer, praise and encouragement in the word of God.

  • Sarah Rodriguez

    “Refuted evolutionary theory” beahahahaaaa

    • Christian Elder

      Do not be deceived, evolution is false.

    • Oboehner

      Yup, it’s a religion.

  • What37

    If you look at how they’ve moved him around in the prison system, it seems obvious that he is being persecuted for what he believes. I don’t think I would have played the ‘money games’ he did – but I do think the laws he broke are ‘nonsense laws’ by a federal government trying to ‘control’ it’s citizens instead of govern and protect rights. It sounds like he’s being placed in ‘double jeopardy’ for trying to defend his legal rights.

    • Gary

      I agree. The government is a bunch of thugs. It is really legalized crime.

  • James Grimes

    Murderers don’t serve the time that he is threatened with.

    • Mike

      This is such an idiotic claim. Most murderers get life in prison if they aren’t sentenced to death.

      • James Grimes

        Am I suppose to care? Bye.

  • Harry Oh!

    Disgusting! Rapist and murderers do less time. What a disgusting sham our legal system is.

  • pax2u

    did he ever file as an irs 501 (c) 3 or did he just decide that he did not need to file taxes?

  • pax2u

    I do not think that this statement is accurate “Churches are not required to file taxes and are automatically exempt under the law.”

    if a non for profit organization, (a church) is recognized by the IRS as a 501 (c) 3 non for profit, they still file a tax return, but will not be subject to pay federal income tax

    can a church decide that they are above the law, and maybe marry multiple wives or under age girls and say that it is their freedom of religion?

    • jmichael39

      That statement IS true. However, as soon a church incorporates, the CORPORATION they create is NOT exempt unless and until they receive IRS approval through the filing of the necessary forms to be deemed a 501(c)(3) organization.

      They don’t have to file a tax return…only necessary paperwork to sustain their 501(c)(3) status.

      And, no, churches are not above the basic laws of the land. While a CHURCH may offer to perform and support polygamous marriages, the PEOPLE who want to BE polygamous cannot by law be.

      • pax2u

        otherwise anyone can be a preacher, and their house is their church and their family is their congregation and they pay no real estate or income tax

        • jmichael39

          As I said in another reply…a person cannot do something (like becoming a church through their family) for the explicit purpose of avoiding taxes. The tax benefit has to be shown to be of secondary nature. So the answer to your question is yes AND no…depending.

          • pax2u

            there is a new internet business that allows anyone to become their own preacher of their own denomination and start their own church

          • jmichael39

            those things have been around for a long time…
            Again, the rules are the rules. That’s all I can say.

          • pax2u

            it is no wonder that there are so many denominations,

  • Maggi Esamilla

    Sara Rodriquez, just another anti-christian troll. Ignore

  • pax2u

    can anyone just call them self a preacher, their house a church, their family their congregation and all income is tax free and the property not subject to real estate taxes?

    • jmichael39

      well, with some additives to that equation, yes. But you so much as sneeze wrong and they deem you as having done that for the sole purpose of avoiding paying taxes and you’re done.

      • pax2u

        get a good accountant

        • jmichael39

          not nearly about just the numbers, but everything in your lifestyle. There was a time, about 20 years ago or so, when there were people producing these highly complex “Family Trusts” (not living trusts)…and they essentially were calling their Family a Business…and EVERYTHING they spent money…from food to utilities…everything was ‘tax deductible’ to the family business. The IRS weeded their way through that scam too. I mean, what they were doing, was legal at the time, but the IRS simply rewrote the regs to make it so they could close the loopholes there.

          • pax2u

            there is a Rev al sharpton, but he still owes income taxes

          • pax2u

            most family trusts are used for estate planning

          • jmichael39

            wrong kind of trusts. I know what I’m talking about I had to deal with these complex trusts 25 years ago. While they were legal, technically, they clearly were designed to bypass income taxes.
            The family trust you’re speaking of are merely for avoiding or reducing estate taxes.

          • pax2u

            is that like the family trusts of Michele Bachmann that allowed her to receive federal aid as she spoke about the need to cut back on federal hand outs?

          • jmichael39

            No its more like what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson do.

    • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Maury_and_Baty/ RLBaty

      Kent Hovind seems to think he can unilaterally declare what is a tax exempt church or “ministry”, but real life is not quite like that.

      People are free to make such characterizations as they wish and claim such benefits as they wish, but if they are called to account for such claims, as provided for under our “rule of law”, they will be expected to put up or shut up.

      There is plenty of case law out there regarding contested cases of “church” claims. There are some winners and some losers.

      Kent admits he was not operating as a church exempt from having to ask for the Government to register his business as a church, and the facts regarding what he was up to suggest he could never establish he was operating as a church.

      Even Eric is not claiming his business is a church, but rather that it is qualified as a separate section 501(c)(3) type of organization.

      Maybe Kent could have qualified his business as a 501(c)(3) non-church organization; maybe not.

      He wanted to operate under the law as a sole proprietorship and so that is just how the feds treated him; any religious aspects of the matter were not of much, if any, concern to the feds. That religious angle is merely the PR angle Kent Hovind and his people have thought would be good to exploit and so inflame the Hovind base against our “rule of law” and all things civil.

      • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

        RLBaty admits he is a liar >>> http://freekenthovind.com/2015/01/31/unreal-non-stop-defamatory-remarks-kent-hovind/

        The people of Hovindology and facebook page Kent Hovind and Jo Hovind vs USA IRS are doing all they can to defame Kent – which is blowing up in their face.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Why don’t you try arguing a point or two instead of making personal attacks?

          • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

            He personally attacked Kent Hovind and I’m here to set the record straight – I’m not attacking the guy he did it to himself.

          • http://www.freekenthovind.com/ #FreeKent Hovind

            I am not – he is the one that falsely accuses and makes lies about Kent Hovind and admits he does…

            Exodus 23:1 Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.

  • chthompson

    Free Kent Hovind!!!!

  • Guest

    The government is routinely going after Christians, and the so-called church is doing nothing. Why is there more support for Kent? Where is the outrage? Look what happened to Nakoula Basseley Nakoula. Look how many preachers who dare to speak against Islam are jailed. Where is the loyalty to our brothers and sisters in Christ? I pray for Kent Hovind daily. Now I’d like to find a way to give to his legal defense fund. I wish that I could do more.

    • Dan Swallers

      he could probably be released in short order if some one would alert him to these methods what hes doing isnt working isnt that the definition of insanity 1215.org or google karl lentz

      • http://www.miketheinfidel.com/ MikeTheInfidel

        WOW is that site ever insane. Seriously, whoever wrote it has no idea how the legal system actually works.

  • Fundisi

    Sorry, Christians should not be taking special tax breaks from the government at all. When they do they create corrupting entanglements with this wicked world. We need to come out from this world, to be separate from them and cease every entanglement possible with this wicked world. If the Church cannot stand without tax breaks and special exemptions, then where is faith, where is trust in God to advance the Gospel? Before the Law, as far as it does not cause us to disobey God, we need to go the extra mile to make sure we do nothing against the law, to live at peace with the government and allow God to open doors of ministry and provide all the resources we need, after all He owns the cattle on a thousands hills.

    This vile anti-Christ Judge will face a God of wrath, He will not escape God’s punishment for his evil deeds.

    • Douglas

      I agree with you on this.

  • Bacchus

    Are murders and rapists treated the same way?

    Obviously Satanists hate Christians

    • pax2u

      do they file a 1040 or a 1040ez

    • Karl Mamer

      Do you love Satanists?

      • Bacchus

        Jesus told us to love sinners not satanists

        • Karl Mamer

          So you hate satanists?

          • Bacchus

            Satanit’s hate Christians and Jews. the Koran says Allah is the great deceiver. Satan is the great deceiver. Jesus teaches us to LOVE OUR ENEMIES AND PRAY FOR THOSE THAT PERSECUTE US.

          • Karl Mamer

            You didn’t actually answer the question. Do you hate satanists?

          • Bacchus

            If you are asking if I hate muslims the answer is NO. I hate the book of Satan the KORAN. Muslims are too stupid to realize that allah LIED to Muhammad and that Muhammad told the same deceitful lie to Arabs who became deceitful muslims. Islam is cursed by the Living God. Muslims worship an Idol god called Hubal. There is historical eveidence

            that muhammad worshiped this moon god. hence the crescent moon on mosques. I pity muslims because of their stupidity and blindness. Satan lied about Jesus. That is enough to send every muslim to hell. Much prayer is needed for muslims to come out of darkness.

          • Karl Mamer

            No. I was asking if you hated any satanists. I guess I’d also ask if you know any satanists personally?

            “Muslims are too stupid to realize that allah LIED to Muhammad”

            Oddly enough you’ll find Muslims who think that of Christians. You’re too stupid to see the scientific truths inherent in the Koran.

            Anyway, I did think we were talking about Satanists, not Muslims. I guess you don’t hate Muslims right?

          • Bacchus

            you missed a very important point. Fact Allah of the koran was a liar. the koran says so. To say that muslims think is an absolutely stupid claim. Muslims are NOT allowed to think. they Must believe EVERYTHING allah and “his” prophet tells them. if you cant work that out you are an ididot.

          • Karl Mamer

            Again, cross out “Muslim” and “Koran” and the exact same charges are leveled at Christians.

            Also, still wondering if you know any Satanists.

          • Bacchus

            Muhammad. When he received his “revelations he was possessed by the devil and became an agent of the devil. Although I didnt know him. Islam is the only religion that states that allah is the great deceiver. This makes your god the devil/Satan . Something you are too stupid to acknowledge or understand. Look around you muslims destroy culture nations and murder speople like no other religion. I know you are not allowed to criticize islam because you are under the threat of execution. This is specific to islam. So I expect you to be too chicken to admit islam is satanic. Now for some good news and some bad news. Muslims will dominate the world and will be the religion of Satan in the tribulation.Tthe bad news is if you dont die in the tribulation and you are still a muslim attacking Jerusalem Jesus himself will send you to hell personally. Im just coming for the ride and the spectacle. Jesus hates being called a liar. The wages of sin is death, physical and spiritual.

          • Karl Mamer

            ” Something you are too stupid to acknowledge or understand.”

            Wow. Kind angry for a Christian. Resorting to silly name calling.

          • Bacchus

            Not when is a fact. It is neither sill nor name calling. I just hoped you had a little more intelligence.

          • Karl Mamer

            “Not when [sic] is a fact. It is neither sill [sic] nor name calling. I just hoped you had a little more intelligence.”

            I wonder how you divine my level of intelligence, beyond assuming a person who doesn’t agree with your assertions lacks intelligence.

            Again, you keep side stepping every question. Do you know any Satanists? Could you name some public Satanists you have read? You seem to have opinions on what Satanists think:

            “Satanit’s [sic] hate Christians”

          • Bacchus

            Are you a muslim?

          • Karl Mamer

            Atheist. Again, you keep side stepping every question. Do you know any Satanists? Could you name some public Satanists you have read?

  • Douglas

    I’m not familiar with this man, his specific teachings, or the facts behind this case but I believe that no one should spend the amount of time he has in prison for not paying taxes. It just doesn’t make sense to me. Fine him if you must, but why spend more tax money to keep him in prison for not paying his tax money. That just doesn’t add up. If the government was concerned about losing money they would have handled this differently.

    • Gary

      It is likely the tax thing is just the excuse the government is using to keep him in jail. I think they want him in jail to keep him from talking about creation, evolution, and the Gospel.

    • TheMaskedUnit

      It has to be true for them to hate him this much.

  • joshof98

    why the Christian Post is silent on this story is baffling

    same with so called conservative media like Newsmax and WND and Breitbart and Fox news

    • chthompson

      WND has reported on this.

  • Richard French

    Talk about getting railroaded, the government sure doesn’t like when you come up against their indoctrination agenda.

  • Sparky

    He went against the official government religion…evolution

    • TheMaskedUnit

      And abortion. He hits them where they “tolerate”.

  • jcrosby35

    If you are a Obama follower you get a get out of jail card.
    If you are a Christian you get a jail sentence.

    • Karl Mamer

      Don’t Christians also support Obama?

      • Gary

        No.

        • Karl Mamer
          • Gary

            No Christian supports Obama. But a lot of fake Christians do.

          • Karl Mamer

            Are you sure? Have you asked any Christian who supports Obama if he or she thinks he or she is a “fake” Christian.

            You probably also want to review the “No True Scotsman Fallacy” before forming an answer.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

          • Gary

            Most people who call themselves a Christian probably are sincere. But when their beliefs are examined, their fraud is revealed, or their beliefs confirm their claim.

          • Karl Mamer

            Sorry, you’ve simply given me the No True Scotsman Fallacy. As far as I can tell, the definition of Christian is:

            “one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ”

            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/christian

            They may not profess to your interpretation of the teachings attributed to someone named Jesus. Maybe you are the one person on the planet who actually has the correct interpretation. Do you believe you are that person? Curious what is your authority for sitting in such judgement?

          • TheMaskedUnit

            You are playing by the enemies rules. If you let your adversary define you — of course you will be wrong, stupid, insane, … whatever he wishes you to be.

            Listen to both sides. Don’t listen to the evolution proponent and what he tells you the other side stands for too. That is not being open minded.

          • TheMaskedUnit

            I could tell you I’m a moose. I can even believe it myself. That don’t grow horns. God defines his followers. If you edit your own bible. You are your own god.

            That being said. I’m sure there are Obama Christians. Obama himself may be a Christian. Christians are only forgiven. They are still sinners. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t need a Savior. It is the acceptance of Jesus Christ as that Savior that makes anyone a Christian.

            Those “Obama Christians” may not be standing against the god of this world (Satan). A cowering enemy is no threat. A dangerous enemy is targeted. This helps to keep the cowering ones quiet.

  • lenatoledo38

    Kent Hovind knows he had to apply for tax exemption status. Even the uneducated file their taxes every year even though I understand there is no law we even have to pay taxes, however, taxes do aid in our livelihood so we do get a return. We often make our own problems and this is one example for us Christians so let’s quit blaming or pointing fingers. Jesus told his audience to give unto Caesar that which/what is Caesars and unto God what is God’s. His words still apply to us today so Christians need to practice what they preach as well.

    • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

      NO, you God damned LIAR.

      MINISTRIES DO NOT HAVE TO FILE ANYTHING!! (Non-profits CAN if they wish, but there is no law forcing them to do so.)

      • Karl Mamer

        “NO, you God damned LIAR.”

        Isn’t that taking the lord’s name in vain?

        • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

          Obviously not. God’s Name is Yah, JEALOUS, etc. HalleluYah = Praise ye Yah.

          Liars ARE damned of God.

    • TheMaskedUnit

      Freedom is an alien concept to some. You don’t have to default to state servitude. This is why we had concepts like “innocent unless proven guilty”, the 10th amendment and limited constitutional government.

      You have to prefer your own individual liberty to enslaving others to your preference. Most people don’t. That is why we have democracy, or mob rule, now. Justice is determined by who is offended, how much damage they will cause and the casualties they inflict during their tantrums. White Christian evolutionist are the minimum of concern.

  • Jeremy Grimes

    Why don’t they start a fund me project to get the fines paid? He may have been guilty but the punishment doesn’t seem to fit the crime

  • Karl Mamer

    “Baptist minister who refuted evolutionary theory”

    He dies the massive evidence for evolution. He hardly refuted it.

    • Gary

      There is no evidence for evolution. You presuppose that evolution is true, and then you interpret the evidence to try to make it fit your presuppositions.

      • Karl Mamer

        No. 150 years ago evolution was a hypothesis on the table. But the evidence is in. Evolution has been tested for 150+ years. It’s solid.

        “you interpret the evidence to try to make it fit your presuppositions”

        That might be true if accepted evolution but ignored contradictory evidence or the evidence for evolution fit another model better. But I’ve seen neither.

        • Gary

          Do you mean “molecules to man” evolution? If you do, then that has not been tested. According to the evolutionists, that kind of evolution happens far too slowly to be observed. There is no way to scientifically prove it.

          • Karl Mamer

            I mean evolution, the branch of biology that explains the origin of species aka the diversity of life on earth. Evolution explains how the diversity of life on earth, through a process of descent with modification, evolved from a “last universal ancestor” (that is “the most recent organism from which all organisms now living on Earth have common descent”).

            “There is no way to scientifically prove it.”

            Science does not attempt to “prove” anything. Science offers theories that offer the best possible model to explain given observations.

          • Gary

            Since evolution has not been proven, or observed, you should not mind if millions of us don’t believe it.

          • Karl Mamer

            Depends on what you mean by “not observed”. One might presume a convicted murderer is innocent because no one directly observed the act murder he was accused of. Or one might conclude the weight of the evidence points to his guilt. I would suggest even if you didn’t personally witness a murder, the lines of evidence can become so weighty that you have to conclude the accused is the murderer beyond a reasonable doubt.

          • Gary

            But the evidence does NOT support evolution.

          • Karl Mamer

            But it does.

            http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

            Curious what you find problematic with those 29 lines of independent evidence for evolution?

          • Gary

            I read some of that. But I’m not buying it.

          • Karl Mamer

            Yet you can’t articulate specifics problems? Very curious. You hand waving away the posted evidence only validates my claim about Hovind. He has refuted nothing. He’s only hand waved away (ie simply denied) the positive evidence for evolution.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            See Kent’s LIES IN THE TEXTBOOKS.

            That is refutation of known LIES WRITTEN BY LIARS IN so-called “science” textbooks forced upon the public – tax-funded – “education” system. Fool.

          • Karl Mamer

            I do not have that book in front of me. Could you summarize some of the key lies found in textbooks? Also, remember, textbooks are meant to teach students certain concepts. Science is not a process of writing textbooks. Science is a process of testing hypothesis. Science is done in the peer reviewed scientific literature. Not in textbooks.

          • TheMaskedUnit

            Did you ever actually watch Hovind? or do you just go by what you are told to think about him?

          • Karl Mamer

            Oh yeah. I have watched hours of Hovind. Listened to hours of his debates. I’ve found nothing compelling. When he’s not just simply making stuff up he’s demonstrating an utter lack of knowledge about areas he pretends to be an expert. In all of my reading of Hovind’s “work”, I’ve not seen these “lies” in textbooks.

            So. Like I say. I see nothing compelling. You, I gather, do. I’ll ask again. Could you list 2 or 3 “lies” Hovind has documented that you find most compelling? Are you able to?

          • TheMaskedUnit

            No. I sincerely respect that you listened to his presentation. I see no point to referencing examples that you have already dismissed.

          • Karl Mamer

            I would like to think I would fairly hear how you see Hovind’s claims. Your inability to even list a few compelling claims makes me think, and I could be wrong, you are not actually even familiar with what Hovind has to say. If I was so challenged about, say, the evidence for evolution, even if I knew you rejected that evidence out of hand, I would still be happy to “put up” and see where the discussion leads.

          • TheMaskedUnit

            You have the same videos I do. I agree with him. You dismissed his words. Why would mine be any different? I respect your decision. I think you are wrong but I can live with that.

          • Karl Mamer

            Why do you agree with him?

          • TheMaskedUnit

            I don’t have the blind faith to believe that nothing turned into everything or people came from rocks.
            There are only two possibilities. The universe was created or it was not. As Professor Hubert Farnsworth stated (I can’t remember the exact quote) so and so proved that anything can happen at any time for no reason. Don’t you agree …

          • Karl Mamer

            I don’t accept evolution out of blind faith. I accept evolution because of multiple lines of evidence.

            People did not come from rocks. Evolution states the diversity of life on earth evolved from a common ancestor. The hypothesis of life’s genesis is that life emerged from organic compounds and chemical processes present on earth some 4 billion years ago. Nothing in the theory of evolution or any origin of life hypothesis I’ve ever read claims rocks had a role.

          • TheMaskedUnit

            I agree that people did not come from rocks. You are making progress. Adios.

          • Karl Mamer

            Given you’ve not been able to back a single opinion with any fact or evidence, I will take “adios” as a tacit admission you are unable to back your claims and an admission you’re wrong.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            One of his videos is devoted to exposing the many LIES in the textbooks. Look it up.

          • Karl Mamer

            Yes. I’m very well acquainted with his videos and claims. But I’ve never seen a claim by him that wasn’t a gross misreading of the science or something he has wholly invented. There’s a quite detailed page here that explains what’s wrong with about everything he says. What issues do you have with any of these take downs of his claims?

            http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood.html

          • David C. Sisson

            How do you deal with the rate sun consumption, the amount of dust on the moon. Irrefutable evidence of the impossibility. The second “law” of thermodynamics states that everything degrades, yet the “theory” of evolution states that everything is growing in complexity. Scientific laws are how you test theories for their validity.

          • Karl Mamer

            “How do you deal with the rate sun consumption, the amount of dust on the moon.”

            Hovind doesn’t understand what he’s talking about. See items 1 and 2.

            http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea.html

            “The second “law” of thermodynamics states that everything degrades”

            It doesn’t suggest that. It state that. It states:

            “The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that the state of entropy of the
            entire universe, as a closed isolated system, will always increase over
            time. The second law also states that the changes in the entropy in the
            universe can never be negative.”

            Closed system. If the system gets energy inputs, that is from the sun, it’s not a closed system.

            “Scientific laws are how you test theories for their validity.”

            No. Theories are tested by continual observations and experimentation.

          • David C. Sisson

            Refusal to see facts for what they are is just evidence of the blind leading the blind. It is also evidence that men will go to any lengths to deny the authority of God in order to live any way they want.

          • Karl Mamer

            I’m glad you took time to read my answers to your questions and provide evidence to contradict the utter demolishing of Hovind’s claims. Oh, wait. You didn’t do that. You just hand waved away evidence that directly contradicts Hovind’s claims. Who is blind, exactly?

          • David C. Sisson

            first of all the so called “evidence you gave” was complete distortion of scientific laws. Claiming that theory can coexist simultaneously in direct contradiction to scientific law is not thought provoking. It is like developing an anti-gravity theory. It doesn’t matter how much money you throw at a project to develop an anti-gravity suit. It will be impossible to invent because it ignores reality at it’s base. This is the problem with the theory of evolution. Everything in this universe runs out of energy, decays, downward into disorder. Evolution denies this because it was built on a desire to justify slavery and disprove God. Scientific justification was an afterthought.

          • Karl Mamer

            ” It will be impossible to invent because it ignores reality at it’s
            base. This is the problem with the theory of evolution. Everything in
            this universe runs out of energy, decays, downward into disorder.”

            Again, why this is inaccurate was answered at the Biologos page I linked. Did you read it? I suspect not as you didn’t bother to address the specific claims made at that page about why evolution and the second law of thermodynamics are not in conflict. You can keep asserting your original proposition but the criticism of your original assertion still awaits your careful debunking. Do you have the chops?

            “Scientific justification was an afterthought.”

            Have you read Origin of Species? Could you point out what qualifies as “afterthought” and not “scientific justification”.

            Anyway, you asked what the problem was with a couple of Hovind’s claims. I’ve given you how science responds to those claims and details how Hovind does not understand the science he claims he understands (no surprise as he bought his PHD from a mail order college). And you’ve simply failed to address them. Not surprising as Hovind himself has been told repeatedly why he is in error and has never actually rebutted the rebuttals. That’s kinda how science works. “My evidence supports this hypothesis.” “No, it doesn’t for these reasons.” “No, your reasons are wrong for these reasons.” But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Hovind has published a detailed rebuttal. You could probably find such rebuttals by Hovind to the take downs of his vacant claims about sun shrinkage and cosmic dust on the moon. And you could probably post them. Right?

          • Fay Clegg
          • Karl Mamer

            What’s the relevance of this link?

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            You don’t care for the definition of science: observable, provable, repeatable.

            Theories are not science.

          • Karl Mamer

            Science indeed involves observations that are testable, repeatable, and also falsifiable. Theories emerge from the process of science. They go hand in hand. And, again, science does not involve “proof”. Science is about establishing confidence levels. Evolution is testable, repeatable, and falsifiable. It’s science.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            No it’s not. But continue to lie your way into Hell. Fool.

          • Karl Mamer

            Another loving Christian with a revenge fantasy and anger issues. You represent your faith well.

          • Michael Long

            Theory is as good as it gets in science. Theories explain how facts and laws actually work. Flight, gravity, Electromagnetism, gems causing disease and algebra are Theories.

          • TheMaskedUnit

            Gravity is a Law, not a theory. It can be demonstrated repeatedly.

          • Karl Mamer

            Okay. Not sure what your point is. We’re talking about what “theory” means in science. Not what “law” means in science. Perhaps you could define what “law” means in science.

          • TheMaskedUnit

            “Science does not attempt to ‘prove’ anything.”
            — KM
            Real science does. It seeks truth. The rest is political.

          • Karl Mamer

            You can keep asserting your definition of science. But please, cite an authority that indicates the scientific method is about deriving “proofs”.

            Again. I’ll refer you to wiki’s definition. It is, in my view, a good definition:

            “Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about nature and the universe.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

            You’re free to call a cat a dog but people who really deal with cats and dogs would not be impressed by your unique definition. They would find it, at best, comical.

          • TheMaskedUnit

            If you are not seeking truth, what are you seeking?

          • Karl Mamer

            So, you can’t cite an authority that backs your made up definition of science?

          • TheMaskedUnit

            What part of seeking truth do you find perplexing?

          • Karl Mamer

            You make a lot of claims you then spend a lot of time trying not to back when challenged.

          • TheMaskedUnit

            I did say gravity was a Law … Real science seeks truth … Where was the challenge?

            Are you still claiming science doesn’t prove anything?

          • Karl Mamer

            I challenged you to establish science is about establishing “truths”. That’s your opinion but I can find that in no definition of science that suggests that. I challenged you to provide such a definition. You’ve not been able to.

            “Are you still claiming science doesn’t prove anything?”

            Yes. Science seeks to establish the best possible explanatory models for any given observation. Math and logic seek to prove things. Science simply offers tentative explanations. Math and logic proofs may also happen to describe reality but that’s not a necessary outcome of a proof in math or logic. For example, you might have a proof of Euclidean Geometry and it seems to work in your experience but Euclidean Geometry fails when you realize you’re living on a sphere.

            Gravity is not a law. Gravity is a fundamental force. Newton establish a law of universal gravitation. There is also a theory of relativity that offers an explanatory model of how and why gravity “works”.

          • TheMaskedUnit

            I’m sorry. If you’re going to deny the Law of gravity, you are just nuts. Get back to me if you can reconnect with reality.

          • Karl Mamer

            Get back to me when you actually know what you’re talking about.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

        • TheMaskedUnit

          First there was nothing. Then it exploded. Because — “Science”.

          • Karl Mamer

            More or less. There was a singularity. It expanded. It cooled into hydrogen and bits of helium and lithium. Gravity coalesced matter into first generation stars. They fused heavier elements and eventually exploded from which second generation stars formed, along with planets.

            Which parts of that do you have a problem with?

          • TheMaskedUnit

            If you can buy into it … Great. You just seem a little naïve to accept such an absurd premise. Hey, I love Futurama too. I just don’t believe everything they preach. There might be a space pope one day. We’ll see.

          • Karl Mamer

            Yes. I do accept this as the best explanation for the origins of the universe. I accept it because it’s backed by multiple lines of evidence. I do not accept Futurama because there’s no evidence to support the claims inherent in this cartoon series. Comparing a tested scientific theory to a cartoon is a false comparison.

          • TheMaskedUnit

            I know of no differences or disagreements between the two.

          • Karl Mamer

            As I’ve said, “big bang” has multiple lines of evidence. Futurama is a work of fiction without multiple lines of evidence. You’re free to hand wave away the evidence for big bang, of course, to maintain your belief there’s an equivalency between a scientific theory and a TV show.

          • TheMaskedUnit

            I still no of no differences or disagreements between the two.

          • Karl Mamer

            Wiki has a good summary of the evidence for big bang.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang#Observational_evidence

            I can find no claims by the makers of Futurama that it’s anything other than a cartoon series and does not portend to model reality.

            Again, you seem to avoid dealing with the obvious difference between the two to maintain your fallacy.

          • TheMaskedUnit

            Have you watched the show? Where does it stray?

          • Karl Mamer

            Futurama makes no claims about the nature of reality. Hence it cannot “stray” in so far as stray might mean the model of reality it proposes is not consistent with the observable evidence.

            Where does the evidence for big bang stray?

          • TheMaskedUnit

            It doesn’t. You are the one claiming Futurama disagrees with the “Big Bang” theory.

          • Karl Mamer

            No. I’ve said trying to equate a TV show with a well developed scientific theory supported by multiple lines of evidence is a false equivalency.

          • TheMaskedUnit

            It is not an insult. You really should watch the show.

          • Robert Lusty

            “There was a singularity. It expanded. It cooled into hydrogen and bits of helium and lithium. Gravity coalesced matter into first generation stars. They fused heavier elements and eventually exploded from which second generation stars formed, along with planets.”

            Can you see the chicken and egg problem here? According to your theory, the heavier elements cannot come into existence without the fusion of a star. But you cannot make a star without the heavier elements. Which came first – the elements to make the stars, or the stars to make the elements? You cannot have the one without the other. And you did not watch Kent Hovind’s videos.

          • Karl Mamer

            “But you cannot make a star without the heavier elements.”

            Yes you can.

            http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-first-stars-in-the-un/

            “And no, you did not watch Kent Hovind’s videos seriously with an open mind”

            Would you read a text on evolution with an open mind?

            ” “Oh yeah, I watched that, and it is all rubbish because of” -”

            I’ve not actually been given a single claim from this video. So I’d be surprised if I made a comment to that effect.

          • Robert Lusty

            If evolution is true, how can you discern right from wrong? Are you a good person?

          • Robert Lusty

            What do you believe will happen to you after you die?

          • Robert Lusty

            I do indeed have the chops for that. However, I am not willing to waste my time in debate to show others skill as a matter of personal pride in intellectual ability. If you are earnestly wanting to find the truth, I can help you. If you are in it for cheap entertainment and mockery, I bid you good day.

          • Robert Lusty

            And if you wish to debate me, do not expect any links to Wikipedia, “Rationalpedia”, or any other online “pedia” to count as a legitimate reference. I was an editor of Wikipedia for years, and am fully aware of the bunk posted there as “fact” that stays for months before editors catch it. You will use books only.

          • Karl Mamer

            No. You’re free to hand wave away sources. But it’s just hand waving until you point out specific short comings or inaccuracies. Which you avoid, even when requested. So, no. It appears you don’t have the chops.

          • Fay Clegg
          • Karl Mamer

            What is the relevance of this link?

          • Fay Clegg

            https://answersingenesis.org/answers/

            These are good sources. True Science and the Bible are compatible. There are many others, even from secular Scientists.

          • Karl Mamer

            I find nothing compelling at those sites.

          • Fay Clegg

            This seems to have turned into a creation/evolution discussion. These links are a couple sources to address that. There are many others, most are better than Kent’s information in my opinion.

          • Karl Mamer

            I find nothing compelling there. What do you find compelling?

  • http://www.miketheinfidel.com/ MikeTheInfidel

    >refuted evolutionary theory

    Ahahahahahahahaa!!!

  • RDH1988

    “But, but…there isn’t discrimination against Christians.”…Even if he wasn’t organized as a church the penalty was way too stiff, and these stupid judges let out murderers and rapists in far less time…get used to this people…we must stand and be strong wherever God puts us, even inf that includes behind prison bars…

  • Doug

    This is an outrage period. You don’t need to be a Christian to be disturbed by this. LIFE IN PRISON because he used the prison’s mail system to try and fight a lean against his property?? I mean, that’s nuts. I pray he gets out of this mess.

  • Aram1

    === He made the mistake to prove evolution is a hoax. And now he’s paying for it.

    • Michael Long

      He did not such thing. He has no grasp at all of the science.

  • Aram1

    === His biggest mistake was that he goes and debate professors in university all over US and make their student laugh at them. Check his video – “100 reasons why evolution is stupid”

    • Michael Long

      And he is wrong each and every time. He doesn’t understand the science to begin with.

      • Jimmy74

        What was he wrong about, Michael, and please explain the “science” that he doesn’t understand. I beg you.

        • Michael Long

          He doesn’t understand evolution or how it works. he has a fake degree he bought from a diploma mill and made up a strawman version of evolution to attack not the actual version.

          • Jimmy74

            How does evolution work?

          • Michael Long

            Accumulated change in allele frequency in a population over time. Only populations evolve, individuals never do.

          • Jimmy74

            Wow, well, ok. Just thinking that out of the trillions of animals and insects that have lived and died in the last 10,000 years at least one kind of them should have added something or wanted to lose something. There’s just……nothing happening. I’ve never seen that ‘population’ of changing skeletons either. If you have please direct me to the right place to see them.

          • Michael Long

            NO idea what a “kind” is. It isn’t a scientific term. Evolution is not a choice it is a mindless process and we track it in populations. This is what evolution looks like.

          • Jimmy74

            A kind of animal is an elephant. Another kind is a rat. A kind of ice cream is chocolate. That’s science. I can see it and test it.

          • Michael Long

            Rapid large-scale evolutionary divergence in morphology and performance associated with exploitation of a different dietary resource http://www.pnas.org/content/105/12/4792.full

          • Jimmy74

            Where are the fossils that show the changes of everything that has evolved into what it is today. There should be trillions especially if they do it in populations. So prove it. Example: One fossil of a whale at the same time losing its legs, gaining the fins, gaining the blow hole while the newborns drowned because they didn’t have a blow hole yet. That’s just one. That’s not science, that’s faith.

          • Michael Long

            And that isn’t how evolution works. Science also does not do proof it only does evidence

            We have tens of thousands of transitional fossils which is a fossil with the morphology of two or more taxon.

          • Michael Long

            //Example: One fossil of a whale at the same time losing its legs, gaining the fins, gaining the blow hole while the newborns drowned because they didn’t have a blow hole yet///……So not remotely close to how evolution works it is laughable.

          • Jimmy74

            Thanks for telling me where the trillions….no, I’ll be nicer, billions…how bout millions,…..tell you what, I’ll take thousands, even better, hundreds….naa….ONE changing fossil is/are.

          • Michael Long

            There are not billions of fossils to begin with. Fossilization is exceedingly rare. Tiktaalik is a transitional fossil.

  • Dr. Dee Tee

    I think that Hovind is guilty as sin but he has received a more harsh punishment than most murderers and rapists receive. Most of them would have been out on good behavior by now.

    as for the mail fraud, i think that is over-stated and just more biased legal wrangling though hovind should be reprimanded severely.

    • Mike

      Why do people keep repeating this idiotic line? Most murderers spend 25 years to life in prison, if they aren’t sentenced to death.

      • Dr. Dee Tee

        obviously you do not know what you are talking about and post only to incite others.

    • Oboehner
      • Dr. Dee Tee

        what is your point? all that link is is a piece written by a smitten lover.

        hovind is one of the problems in christianity because he doesn’t know what he is talking about

        • Oboehner

          You are one of the problems with Christianity today, you worship the state and haven’t a clue on the world around you.

  • Catie

    How do so many people not realize that Kent Hovind was a scam artist using the guise of Christianity? A true man of the Lord would keep his home and his church humble. It’s obvious that he only wanted money, HIS HOME WAS OVER 500K! Wake up!

    • chthompson

      None of that is true. Anybody who has seen his sermons knows you to be a liar. We also know who the father of lies is. Repent, believe, and be Saved through the Lord Jesus Christ!

      • Michael Long

        Hovind is the king of liars. He has a fake degree and has no clue what the science actually says. He simply lies to the sheep and they eat it up.

        • chthompson

          Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. The Truth is still the Truth no matter how much you want to bury your head in the sand.

          • Michael Long

            I know what the truth is and evolution is part of that. It is the most supported fact in scientific history.

          • chthompson

            The evolution cult fails even according to Darwin.

          • Michael Long

            Darwin was wrong more than he was right,. We have over 150 years of research since Darwin and now have more evidence for evolution than we do for gravity. It is classified as a fact by the US National Academy of Science and is accepted as such by 99.85% of scientists.

          • chthompson

            There is not a shred of legitimate evidence to back up the claims of your weird cult. Nice try.

          • Michael Long

            That is a flat out lie. We have a few million per reviewed research papers,. There are almost 400,000 on PubMed alone. More than there are for Germ Theory or Gravitational Theory.

          • chthompson

            Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Evolution is a hoax. God created you and we will ALL be judged.

          • Michael Long

            Sorry but I see evolution occur. Evolution is an observable fact.

          • chthompson

            That is a lie. Nobody has ever observed macro evolution because it does not happen. You may be referring to mico-evolution, which happens, but only further discredits the evolution cult.

          • Karl Mamer

            Could you give an explicit definition of “macro evolution”?

          • chthompson

            Creatures changing from one kind to another. (eg fish to monkey, cat to dog, etc).

          • Michael Long

            That is not what macroevolution means to actual scientists That is the creationist strawman version and if it occur it would disprove evolution.

          • Karl Mamer

            Curious. Evolution doesn’t use this term “kind”. You should probably learn what evolution actually claims before you try to speak knowledgeably about what evolution claims.

          • chthompson

            God uses the word kind. I don’t care what terms “evolution” (the cult) uses.

          • Karl Mamer

            Again, you clearly have no knowledge of what evolution even claims. No wonder you don’t accept it. It’s a bit like me claiming your religion is an invalid cult because your bible claims prayer guarantees lottery wins every time. And since I prayed and didn’t win the lottery, your bible is invalid. You would think “it says nothing like that in the bible. So that’s no basis for rejecting my religion.” That’s how misinformed you sound to anyone who accepts evolution based on the massive amounts of evidence.

          • chthompson

            There is no evidence for evolution because evolution is a hoax theory.

          • Karl Mamer

            “There is no evidence for evolution because evolution is a hoax theory.”

            Again, you’ve been shown multiple lines of evidence. I’m not sure if you get repeating an assertion is not a rebuttal to the evidence directly shown to you.

            My claim: The bible is a hoax and was written by a scammer only 200 years ago. Anyone telling you any part of the bible was authored 2000 years ago is deluded or lying.

            My evidence: There is no evidence the bible existed before 1815. And it’s self evidence it’s an obvious hoax.

          • Michael Long

            In science macroevolution is speciation and we see it occur.

          • Karl Mamer

            There’s no evidence if you either ignore the evidence or you’re simply unaware of the evidence.

            http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

            There are multiple lines of evidence. Curious what problems you have with the lines of evidence above?

            I find the evidence from protein particularly compelling. In Darwin’s day, he had no idea about genetics. Genetics could have been an amazing wrench in the theory of evolution, if the genetic evidence did not also show evolution and lacked consistency with eukaryotic tree of life. And, yet, genetics only confirmed Darwin. That’s a true test of a theory. It makes predictions. Prediction confirmed by genetics.

            Cytochrome c is a protein found in almost every form of life with mitochondria. It’s an essential component in the electron transport chain. Without it, you can’t get energy from your cells to live.

            This protein is made up of about 100+ amino acids. Only a percentage of these amino acids are used in energy production. If an organism is born with a mutation in one of the important amino acids, it dies. It does not get to pass on its genes. However, if the other amino acids that have no function mutate, it’s harmless to the organism. It can pass on its genes and pass on these harmless mutations found in Cytochrome c. Over time, as Cytochrome c gets passed down and down, mutation build up in the non functional parts of the protein. How do we know some parts are non functional? Because we can take Cytochrome c from, say, humans, put it in yeast, and yeast performs exactly as if it was using yeast Cytochrome c.

            So, evolution would predict more recent two organisms split on the tree of life, more similar their Cytochrome c mutations would be (say humans and chimps). More distant the split, greater the difference. Guess what? We find this pattern. Another prediction made by evolution confirmed. There’s no reason humans and chimps should have similar mutations in the non functional part of Cytochrome c and humans and dolphins should have less similar non functional parts of Cytochrome c. The only logical reason for the degrees of similarities is when species last had a common ancestor. When a split occurs Cytochrome c mutates completely differently and randomly along those splits.

            Another interesting prediction that holds up when you look at Cytochrome c in animals that seem similar (like a dolphin and shark) versus animals that are wildly different in appearance but had a more recent common ancestor (a dolphin and a mouse). Guess what? Dolphins and mice have more similar Cytochrome c than dolphins and sharks.

            So. How is that not evidence for evolution? Evolution predicts x. X is found. Theory is confirmed. Again. Please be specific. No hand waving.

          • chthompson

            Evolution is a hoax for cultists who refuse to accept the Truth.

          • Karl Mamer

            Beyond your mere assertion, what evidence do you have it’s a hoax? Curious. Again, simply because you’re not aware of the evidence or you don’t understand the evidence is not evidence of a hoax.

          • chthompson

            It is self-evident. Every piece of fake evidence presented by the evolution cult has been discredited.

          • Karl Mamer

            At one time it was self evidence the world was flat. “Self evident” is a poor tool for uncovering reality.

          • chthompson

            Spoken like a true fool.

  • Sharee Hill

    its funny to me how none of these posts actually have nothing to do with Mr hovind***stay on subject**show maturity

  • FPrefect

    It is customary in the news media to stop using the word “alleged” to refer to actions for which the accused has already been convicted.

  • Rev Donald Spitz

    Free Kent Hovind

  • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

    CURSE Judge Rodgers, the IRS pigs and all who enable them!!

    FREE KENT HOVIND!! #SMASHtheState!!

  • Guest

    Kent should immediately convert to Islam and issue a fatwa against the judge.

  • NoPhucksGiven

    Let all of those “Boots” pray and march until they’re blue in the face, flushed and worn-out. #AccomplishingNothing

  • Lolipopjuju

    Kent has served his time! He needs to be free! Sharpton owes Oh SO VERY much to the government its racist to prosecute whites and not blacks!The Gov doesnt care if youre a Christian or not if you owe them $ !!

  • http://themorningafter.us/ Pharmer1

    I got a security check pop up, ostensibly from face book when I hit the facebook share button for this story. I hit cancel on the pop up, then shared the link in facebook directly.

  • artsychic

    the courts are under vatican jesuit control. You should not look to a “legal” system which is controlled by the devil for salvation. Call on YHWH and no one else and he will part the seas.

  • Jo

    He filed three separate lawsuits against the government in an attempt to
    stop the proceedings, which he viewed as harassment, but was unsuccessful. A man cannot file charges in their court and win. It’s their court “the legal society”. A man must bring a “claim” in common law in his own court ” a common law court of record”. Do a internet search for karl lentz and learn how it works. CPS, IRS, and any other three letter agency. It’s all laid out if you are smart enough to learn it.

  • HP

    And yet the good ol’ Rev. Sharpton walks free, enjoying his normal visits to the WH, counseling the pResident.

  • Deborah Paegelow

    Dude, just pay your taxes like the rest of us! Render unto Caesar. Repent. You will have everything restored and blessings.

  • Misty Turco

    I sure hope that PCC person is proud of him or herself. I don’t know the story behind that, but it most likely involves a holier than thou stance of some kind.

  • http://www.youtube.com/DutchLionFrans Dutch Lion Frans

    Satan & his seeds are very
    bad loosers! AMERICA’S CRIMINALLY CORRUPT JUDICIAL SYSTEM RAPES JUSTICE
    OF THE INNOCENT, TRUE AND VIRTUOUS WHO CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY, but is
    easy on real criminals – being the very worst themselves! To HELL with
    ALL INVOLVED in the RAPE and ROBBERY of justice of the people: the
    corrupt devils involved in the criminal legal rape who are whores of the Jewish
    illegal owners of the FED and most national central banks by treason of
    their whores (the governments): the IRS- system in the USA (and most
    other nations) The IRS is an illegal criminal entity which robs people by intimidation and other terrorist tactics for which all IRS-agents belong in prison themselves. MIND YOU ALL! Your time is almost finished! GOD WILL REVENGE! Your judgment is near: Your time in eternal fire will start very very soon. And in contrast to a life sentence this sentence is for ALL eternity! Matthew 13: 24-50; Revelation 21:8 That the JURY – system nowadays stinks is because of the instruction judges give to the totally inexperienced, totally ignorant of the evil manipualtion and overpowering by judges, who intimidates the members of the jury and illegaly limits their decision-making. The jury is therefore no longer independent and their decision biased in the desired direction of the judge. But this does NOT excuse the members of the jury for their part in the rape of justice and sending an innocent men to jail.

  • Amy

    This is why Christians need to follow the law exactly and sometimes even do more than is required. He should have made sure of the tax status of his work. He should have filed and paid taxes. He would still be doing his work in the ministry if he had done so. Is his work about making money or teaching the truth?

  • Sharon Hess

    He might be behind bars, for the same reason Andrew Breitbart was murdered…..for revealing the truth.

  • zeph317

    Okay #FreeKent Hovind – I am new to this issue so please enlighten me if you can. It is my understanding that you need to apply for tax exemption status BEFORE you can refuse to pay taxes – is that not right? The above article makes it sound like he just went about “claiming” to be a church and a missionary organization. Did he really do that without first getting his t’s crossed and i’s dotted? Did he really not confer with other similar organizations to determine what must be done in order to do what he did? There has GOT to be more to the story . . .

  • CanadianShocker

    “Judge Rodgers has exhibited an anti-Christian bias, having issued a court order to a school district to refrain from allowing religious activity in the form of prayer at school events,” states Rudy Davis with the Free Kent Hovind effort. “

    And by “exhibited an anti-Christian bias” Davis means upheld the constitution. Clearly not the kind of judge Hovind wants.

  • Logan Lombard

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Hovind is perfectly deserving of his treatment by law officials. Maybe they should seize Eric’s house seeing as how it was built on the land of the ministry. Keep on selling those DVDs, boys.

  • Lauren King

    You can email the governor of Florida and request a pardon for Kent Hovind here: http://www.flgov.com/contact-gov-scott/email-the-governor/ or call and leave a message: 1(850) 488-7146

  • Starr Lynn Lockhart

    Interesting how they can’t get good solid convictions for other crimes but they can threaten to put him away for life.

  • sdebeaubien

    Thuggery politics is nothing new in this country. What’s new is it’s being used against Christians. And you thought the United States was a place where there was no persecution of Christians?

  • amabokcuf

    It’s time for a revolution against the evil in this country, the obama regime and the progressives, both right and left, and the scum in the bureaucracies. Enema time to clean out ALL the fecal matter…

  • Paul

    What debate, isn’t it obvious? He is in prison for 2 reasons: 1. He is a Christian preaching the Gospel. 2. He’s making the Evolution Theory look and sound stupid and ridiculous (not that it isn’t!), and his very good at doing that! He’s a threat for the evil system because Kent can actually help save souls. They don’t want that because THEY ARE DEVIL WORSHIPERS! But they will be sorry for that when the Day will come. Free Kent Hovind! Stay strong and God bless you!

  • TSNSTUFF

    Putting all religious talk aside, I can’t comprehend how a man who hasn’t killed anyone, be in danger of serving a life sentence. I mean, Taxes are a serious thing and not paying them is bad and he’s already served so many years in jail, how is that not enough? I just don’t get it.

  • http://www.truthtv.us Jacob Kachelhofer

    Make no mistake my friends, this is a case of precedents and caveats alike.

    I. PRECEDENT:
    This government no longer targets actual criminals, but prestigious and celebrated ministers of the gospel of Jesus Christ with international ministries that touch thousands of lives.
    a) CAVEAT: A government that targets a Kent Hovind might target YOUR pastor some day too. Or any respectable citizen for that matter.

    II. PRECEDENT: An insanely immoral, callously corrupt, monstrously murderous leviathan that acts in flagrant disregard to the Constitution and flaunts that disregard with arrogant impunity is now targeting and passing judgment on and taking the freedom or even lives from devout, God-fearing, Kingdom-trumpeting servants of the living God and of our people on the basis of flimsy, dubious and trumped up charges and making draconian judgments for the convictions obtained in their military tribunals and actively endeavoring to mislead the peers in their juries and the people at large about these cases.
    A) CAVEAT: Where does it end? Better question: When will you care? When it happens to you or someone who you actually care about?
    Even better question: Since when do we as Christians and philanthropists and public servants only care about injustice when it directly affects us? And do we not see how incredibly myopic and dangerous this is??
    a. Why would God bless such a people?
    b. This is how dictatorships come to power.
    c. The many dictatorships that many people have tragically languished and died under may as well be divine judgment if this is what we do with our liberty.

    III. PRECEDENT: *Anyone*, never mind servants and ministers like Kent Hovind with absolutely no criminal history whatsoever can have their lives and/or livelihood destroyed and taken from them by a criminal government like ours on the basis of the mere allegation, bereft of due process of law, of wrongdoing. Even in the old covenant, the harshest of punishments for wrongdoing never exceeded an eye for an eye, yet the judgments given by this government against Kent Hovind and others is something akin being torn limb from limb for a chipped fingernail.
    A) CAVEAT: Even assuming the absolute guilt of Kent Hovind for all of which he is accused and then some, he should have gotten out of prison years ago. But now, as if 9 years isn’t outrageous already, they wish to put him away for the rest of his life. This is black, bloody tyranny and it is unchristian and immoral to condone it in any way shape or form.

    IV. PRECEDENT: All of this and more that is known and yet to be discovered is done and church and the people of God and all the rest of the civilized world either looks the other way or joins the lynch mob.
    A) CAVEAT: This is *the single* most *dangerous precedent* of them all. If we allow Kent Hovind to be railroaded again, we should pray for our Lord’s swift return indeed. Because when He does, His righteous judgment will begin at the house of God, where it belongs as much as for all the evil-doers in the world today. Which will doubtlessly be far more terrible than the reign of terror and tyranny that we had facilitated and enabled with the abandoning and/or condemnation of our brother Kent Hovind in his hour of need.

    V. PRECEDENT: Hardcore Christianity classified as heresy/treason.

    This is not an issue of taxes really. It is actually an issue of religion. True, biblical Christian religion vs. usurpatious Statism.
    The Church of Jesus Christ vs. The Imperial Cult. Kent Hovind’s conviction must go through not because anyone who advocates for and labors to see it done cares about truth or justice or liberty. But because to the cult of the omnipotent state, Kent Hovind is a heretic. And heretics must burn as an example to all who would incline their ears to their words. To anyone who thinks this through analytically, objectively and spiritually, you will find that nothing can more thoroughly contextualize the outrageous behavior of the government and the legions of apologists for them, professing Christian and secular alike. A successful prosecution of Kent Hovind will be a victory not for the championing of truth and justice, but for the suppression of it.
    As Wycliffe and his followers and successors were to the Catholic church, (the Imperial Cult of old) so is Hovind and those with whom the truth he stands for resonates are to the modern establishment: Anathema. Heresy. Treason.
    A) CAVEAT: Christians who align themselves with the systematized prosecution of Kent Hovind are endeavoring to serve two masters, and choosing the Sate over the God of their fathers. This system must be resisted with our dying breath. Because those who breathe the toxic air irrevocably tainted by its polluting presence and influence will be our children and grandchildren.

    Stand and be counted and demand Hovindication. WE ARE KENT HOVIND.

  • Moise / Moses

    … _1 Corinthians 14/21: …

    _ View prophets [them] _ Isaiah 6/8, [9,10], 11, 2012, 2013; _ Galatians 4/4; _ John 1 / 1,5, [11], 2012, 2013, 2014 -16; _ Luke 8 / 5-8, [15]; _ Matthew 23 / 1,2, [3-10], 13-15, 25-28, 33; _ 2 Peter 2 / 1-3; _ 2 Timothy 3 / [1-6], 7, [8,9]; 4 / 3,4; _ Revelation 3/19;

    -2) _ Prophets (see) _ Hebrew 1/1, spoke by “Paper [more] sealed “(see) _ Daniel 12/4, [9], … facts and upcoming events [from this time, you live ] (see) _ Deuteronomy 18 / 15,18; _ Acts 3/22, …-“The fullness of time“ (see) _ Galatians 4/4; _ Hebrew 1/2; _ Philippians 2/8; _ John 4/25; _ Luke 18/8 … “because they can not understand all speech” (see) _ Matthew 13/13-15; 19/11; _ Luke 12 / 48; _ Daniel 12 / 3,10; _ John 1/1, [11],14; _ Matthew 13/57; _ Mark 6/4; _ John 4/44; _ Isaiah 52/6 – “Here I
    am!”; 65/1; _ Romania 10 / 17,18 -20.

    = Regards. -Messiah _ The Promised (see) _ Deuteronomy 18 / 15,18; _ Acts 3/22; _ Isaiah 6/8, [9,10]: … [read in detail]: …

    …*and I asked, “Until, Lord?” He replied:
    * Until the cities will remain empty and devoid of inhabitants; until there
    will be nobody in the house, and the land shall be desolate* _ Isaiah 6/11;

    – * Until the Lord will remove people, and the country will become a great wilderness. * _ Isaiah 6/12;

    – * And even a tenth of the population will remain will be destroyed and they in turn. But as the terebinth and oak retains root hub, they are cut, so the holy seed will be born one of these people again. * _ Isaiah 6/13; 9 / 1,2, [6], …

    … _ Matthew 17/1, [2-5], 6, (see) “Changing the Face / Name [them]”; _ Romania
    10/14 -What Name?! (See) _ Revelation 2/17; _ Romania 10/17, [18-20]; _ Isaiah
    65/1; 52/6 – “Here I am!” _ *George Moses = Gheorghe Moise – one that you may have heard of ancestors*, [ _ Word became flesh _ John 1 / 1,14], … and that I will fight with the dragon [who has several heads] “(see) _ Romania 11 / 3-5, [8]; _ John 10 / 8,11, 2012, 2013, 2014 -16; 1 / 1,5, [11], 2012, 2013, 2014 -16; _ Output /[Exodus]/[Trimiterea] 3/14;
    4/1, [10], 11, 2012, 2013, 2014 -16; _ * All Religions / All peoples called
    [the meal / food (see) _ Matthew 4 / 4; _ Hosea 4/6 ], _ Isaiah 55 / 1,6 – 9,
    [10], 11, …- * And it will be light! * (see) _ Isaiah 9 / 1,2 [6]; _ John
    10/16 –“Shall be one flock and one shepherd”; _ Daniel 12/1, [4,9], 3,10; _
    Isaiah 53/1, [2-5], 6; _ John 7/26; _ Luke 24 / [25], 26, [27], 45, …- *
    Understand?! *; _ Revelation 3/19; (see / see) _ John 10/20 [21].

    _”Prove all things; hold fast what is good.” (See) _ 1 Thessalonians 5 / [19], 20-22 …

    _ http://mesia-romania5-14-ioan4-26.blogspot.com

    … Possibly and probably * censored [what grounds do you think would] … by those who love darkness more *, [and that SS and say – “Secret Service / Cia & Mossad, alias Sri”] (see) _ Romania 1 / 28-32; _ Judah 1/10 -16 …

    … * Hand in hand with those who slander my people* (see) _ Romania 11 / 3-5; _ 1 Peter 2/9. …

    … And who continue to abuse me and humiliate me [for several years], how hard you can imagine (see prophets [them]) _ Isaiah 53/1, [2-5], 6; _ John 7/26; _ Luke 24 / 26, … involved and those who say …

    …- “Legislature / parliament, government / managers, judges / prosecutors, police, and other -* Masss – media …- Internet* / [total ban on “google-com” & “Youtube-com”], and whom I censor correspondence *” (see) _ John 3 / [16], 19; _ Jeremiah 5 / 26-31; 9/3-5,8; _ Isaiah 9/16; _ Mica 2 / 1-2; 3/11; 7 / [1], 2-4,[5].

  • Moise / Moses

    … _ Subject: … _*Mystery Lady / Virgo* (see) _ Isaiah 7/14; _ Matthew 1/23.

    _ “Mankind gets lost in the wilderness” (see) _ Ezekiel 29 / 12,13; 30 / 23,26; _ Numbers 14 / 33-35; _ Matthew 7 / 13,14, “not find the Way, the Truth and the Life / [” Path to
    Salvation “] (see) _ John 14/6; _ 1 Peter 2 / 1,2, because [mankind] did
    not understand my secret (see) _ Revelation 10/7; _ John 1 / 1,14; _ Romania
    5/14; 16/25; _ Acts 26/23, “being sealed book” (see) _ Daniel 12/4,[9], “to this day” (read and corroborated) _ Romania 11/8; _ Hebrew 3/ 7,13,15; _ Isaiah 55 / 6-9 [11]; _ John 12 / 35,36, [so that], “I was not looking” (see) _ Isaiah 55 / 6-9; _ Romania 1 / 28-32; _ Jude 1 /10-16.

    _”Gave their teachers after their own lusts” (see) _ 2 Timothy 3 / [1-6], 7, [8,9]; 4 / 3,4, among them being “multi sitting in my chair undeserved” (see) _ Matthew 23 / 1,2,
    [3-10],13-15, “without knowing the Scriptures and the power of God” (see) _ Matthew 22/29, “My coming to” / “My lifting” (see) _ John 4/25; Gal _ 4/4; _ Deuteronomy 18 / 15,18; _ Acts 3/22, [and so is mankind astray], have made and still make confusion,

    … “Stirring prophecy, [and] stirring parables” about:

    – * The coming of the Son of Man * / “born of a woman” – * Maria – My Mother * (see) _ Matthew 1 / 18,21; _ Romania 8/29; _ Isa 6 / [8] -13, and

    making confusion and mixed substituted * Jesus [?!] * & “Emanuel”, mixing / substituting “prophecies about Birth” with “signs of the times prophecies about Birth” (see) _
    Isaiah 7/14; _ Matthew 1/23; _ Isaiah 9 / [1,2], 6,

    resulting misunderstanding, [that], “born of the Virgin Mary / Maria Virgo” (see _ 2 Peter 1/20 – corroborated) _ Galatians 4/4; _ Romania 5/14; 8/29; _ Acts 26/23.

    _ The according to _ Matthew 13 / 34,35 [16,17], 13-15, (see prophecy): – “Behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son – Emanuel” (see) _ Matthew 1/23; _ Isaiah 7/14, it’s * Sign in heaven coming-Time / Birthday Son of Man * / “My lifting” (see) _ Matthew
    24/30; _ Isa 9 / 1,2, [6]

    – * Virgo is pregnant [now, from time] *, since the beginning of 2012, see [default] End of the Mayan Calendar;

    -To Understand more and better, must “listen” (see) _ Acts 3/22; _ Deuteronomy 18 / 15,18; _ Matthew 17/1, [2-4], 5, and “those who are given” / [ie], “genetically gifted
    since birth in their mother’s womb” _ Matthew 19/11; _ Romania 8/29; _ Isaiah 44/24, to investigate all things (see) _ 1 Thessalonians 5 / [19], 20-22; _ John 5/39, without neglecting _ 2 Peter 1 / [19], 20;

    _ Thus, in accordance and compliance with _ Matthew 6/10: …- “Thy kingdom come; Thy will be done, as in heaven and on earth “[default * Signs * _ Luke 21/7] … here prophecies:

    – * Here and there will be great earthquakes; will be fearful sights and Signs great in heaven. * (see) _ Luke 21/11; _ Matthew 1/23;

    – * There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars / [Signs in Heaven] (see) _ Genesis 1 / 14-16; _ Matthew 1 / 21-23 -And the earth distress of nations, will not know what to do at sea and the waves roaring hearing. * (See) _ Luke 21/25.

    _ Analyze, compare and evaluate after the conjunction and sum up [the default] all planetary catastrophes, [so]:

    wars caused and maintained by those who believe “world gendarme / gendarmes Planet” … seismic / earthquake, floods, fires, avalanches, landslides, etc.

    starting with “tsunami of March 2011 in Japan”, which,

    [As possible special phenomenon] was pre-viewed / pre-diction, by a “great prophet” -Simon from Romania / [alias] *Urania*, [which we understand as “SS and canceled shows Tv. “]

    facts and events that must be corroborated meaning “pre-viewed events coincidence analysis with prophecies” (see) _ Isaiah 7/14; _ Matthew 1/23, which is clearly written [about the “sign of the times, visible in Heaven”]:

    – * Behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, (.), “Emanuel” *

    which means that [according to the prophecies], about the “signs of the times (see) _ Matthew 24/14; _ Revelation 10/7 “speak [as written], and:

    “Stars” / Stars, Planets [etc.] (see) _ Genesis 1/14, [15,16]

    [Here], with reference to the constellation Virgo, Mars entered the [* male *] at the end of 2011], as predicted Simon, aka *Urania *

    all of which are in accordance and compliance with:

    – “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, as in heaven * Earth *” (see) _ Matthew 6/10; _ Geneza1 / 14-18 [how?!, When?],

    “Now, in your days” / [_ millennium 3] / 3rd day (see) _ 2 Peter 3/8, when I raised [d] the dead _ Romania 5/14; _ John 20/9, and sent (see) _ Output / [Exodus] 4/1 [10], 11, 2012, 2013, 2014 -16, the “fulfillment of the law” (see) _ Romania 10/4; _ Matthew 5/17; _
    John 1 / 1-14; _ Hebrew 1/1, “prophets talking about the future”:

    – * “I know,” said the woman, “that Messiah is coming (which is called Christ _ John 1 / 1,14) … (.) (See) _ John 4/25,

    “Available for those who have ears to hear, and [even] hear” (see) _ Luke 8 / 5-8, [15]; _ Romania 10/17; -But, [I] think? (See) _ Luke 18/8; _ Deuteronomy 18 / 15,18; _ Acts 3/22; _ Luke 16 / 29,31, [and / and]

    notion that “prophecy” means “pre-vision into the future / the future” (see) _ Daniel 8/26; 12 /[4], 9, [13], …now [“these last days”] (see) _ Hebrew 1 /2,3; _ Romania 5/14; _ Galatians 4/4; _ Isaiah 6/8, [9,10], 11, 2012, 2013; _ Output / [Exodus] / Sending 4/1 [10], 11, 2012, 2013, 2014-16; _ John 1 / 1,5, [11], 2012, 2013, 2014-16; 10 / [1-5], 8,11, 2012, 2013, 2014 -16; _ Daniel 12/ 1,3,10.

    = Regards. – George Moses /[Gheorghe Moise], [which] is translated, it means *Messiah*, (according to prophecy) (see) _ John 4/25, [26]; _ Romania 10 / [14 – How?! _ What name? / * Default Transfiguration / Name * (see) _ Matthew 17/1, [2-4], 5; _ Revelation 2/17; _ Romania 10/17; _ Isaiah 52/6 – * George Moses / Gheorghe Moise _ Here I am!* / [Is confirmed as the prophets have not wrong: – “mankind has not understood who wait” (see) _ Romania 10/14 – ?! _ By default: – “No one is calling my name” (see) _ Isaiah 65/1; _ Romania 10 / [17], 18-20; _ Luke 16 / 29,31; 18/8; 24 / 25,[27], 45; _ Romania
    5/14; _ Acts 26/23 – * deceiver * (see) _ Matthew 27/63;

    … Morning Comes (see) _ Isaiah 21/11, 2012, 2013, 2014-16; – “All Religions” / * All peoples called [without money and without price] * (see) _ Isaiah 55 / 1,6 – 9, [10], 11,

    “[Called] the meal / food” (see) _ Matt 4/4; _ Hosea 4/6 ] … “to charity / large feast day [it] from” (see) _ John 7/37,[38,39],

    * [Day] that was not [never, never, never] * (see) _ Daniel 12/1; _ 1 Corinthians 14/21; _ Matthew 13 / 34,35, [16,17], 13-15; _ John 16/25,

    – * And it will be light! * (See) _ Isaiah 9 / 1,2 [6]; _ Daniel 12 / [1], 3,10; _ Matthew 5/17; _ John 9 / [39], 40,41; 10/16,[20].

    _ “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (see) _ 1 Thessalonians 5 / [19], 20-22 …

    _ http://mesia-romania5-14-ioan4-26.blogspot.com

    … Possibly and probably * censored by those who love darkness more * (see) _ John 3 / [16], 19, and say that his S.S. – “The Secret Service /[ Cia & Mossad, alias Sri] (see) _ Romania 1 /28-32; _ Judah 1/10 -16.

  • Bill Catz

    Now, lets go after two other self-proclaimed reverands — Sharpton and Jackson.

  • Sean

    And Hillary Clinton can send emails to the tune of National Security from her personal email address (and lets not get into Bengazi) yet she is free as a bird and considered a candidate for US President. Hypocracy? I think so.

  • http://www.sociedaddetratados.com/ Bro Adalberto Santiago

    We will ask the governor of Florida for a pardon and also the President of United States of America…May God Bless and Help Kent Hovino and may he also grant him a pardon so that he can continue to share the world of God through creationism and the Bible and his ministry!….ICE, Inc.

  • Guest

    root bear true tap song

  • Guest

    “An imprisoned creation science evangelist and Baptist minister who refuted evolutionary theory” LOL… you couldn’t make this stuff up!
    Oh wait. We’re talking about professional liars for a long debunked fairy tale. of course you could.

  • Guest

    “An imprisoned creation science evangelist and Baptist minister who refuted evolutionary theory” LOL.. you couldn’t make this stuff up!

    Oh wait. We’re talking about professional liars for a long debunked fairy tale. of course you could.

  • Dennis Hibbard

    Should have gone on his Own Money and Own time! Been Like Paul the Apostle, In prison a lot of Souls to Reach for Christ Daniel 12:3 can be a Counterproductive endeavor by the Gov. to Lock him up around so many who Need to be Converted. Come out Shining like a Star!

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  • sundownersteve

    my words for Kent Hovind is to pray that America repents her ways soon cause if she doesnt there will be no America in the LORDS KINGDOM which starts later this year. PLEASE DO NOT MISS YOUR RIDE TO SAFETY BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE ONE SEAT TO RIDE IN if you miss you get to see first hand what armegeddon really looks like. 2016 will not exist in the way you expect!

  • Mourning Warbler

    Is it lawlessness behind Kent Hovind’s actions, or is it civil disobedience? He has stood his ground on the front and now can look back to see some his brethren hiding among the trees while others are actually scornfully shooting at him. Why in the world is the IRS allowed to decide what speech is tax-free? It appears the IRS was created by Congress to do what the Congress is not allowed to do: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.” The IRS offers non-profit organizations /
    churches a tax exempt status as long as they are willing to forgo free speech; those non-profit groups that insist upon speech prohibited by the IRS must pay tribute to the IRS. Looks like the wrong people are behind bars.

  • Sarah Jones Geer

    Kent Hovind didn’t refute jack. He is a shady huckster with no real education who makes the majority of Christians- who are reasonable enough to accept sound science like evolution- look like ignorant hicks. You’d think more would be ticked AT him instead of FOR him.

    • Oboehner

      It’s really a shame when someone “with no real education” can make evolutionists look like idiots.

  • Charles Edwards

    I wonder if he ever had his over IT Server?

  • Lizzy

    Yes Peter, and you take every chance to belittle Kent and his beliefs in your articles. You are not an unbiased reporter.

  • Richard Hill

    Prosecutor ex- U.S. Attorney John Atchison filed charges against Kent Hovind in 2006. However, we can’t be sure of John Atchison’s true motivations to bring charges against Hovind. That’s because in 2007 John Atchison committed suicide upon facing his own prison time for 1.) sex with a five year old little girl and 2.) Child pornography.

    Does ex- U.S. Attorney John Atchison’s history and mental state bring into question, at all, John Atchison’s fair handling of the Kent Hovind case? And, you can find links to show that Judge Rodgers has engaged in questionable handling of previous cases.

  • Dianna

    “…and having done all to stand…” we need to stand in prayer for what is right”. Folks it will get worse before it ever gets better. The devil wants to shut up the mouth of the christian and devour him and alll he has worked for. this brother believes he is right so we ask for God to intervene and right this wrong. Amen

  • archaeologist

    what is the update to this story?

    while i think hovind did commit crimes, he may have been misguided and does not need to send the rest of his life in prison. governments need to learn to be fair, just and honest instead of letting individuals go on personal vendettas against those they do not like