Ford Contractor Says He Was Fired for Speaking Against Company’s Support of Homosexuality

FordGlassHouseDEARBORN, Mich. — A former contractor for Ford Motor Company has filed a religious discrimination complaint, alleging that he was fired for speaking against the company’s support of homosexuality.

Thomas Banks has worked as a design and release engineer for Ford since 2011—that is until last August when he was fired on an accusation that he had violated the company’s “anti-harassment” policy for responding to an email employee newsletter from the company. The newsletter contained an article regarding the 20th anniversary of Ford’s Gay, Lesbian Or Bisexual Employees advocacy group (GLOBE).

Banks replied with a comment to express disagreement.

“Endorsing and promoting sodomy is of benefit to no one,” he wrote. “This topic is disruptive to the workplace and is an assault on Christians and morality, as well as antithetical to our design and our survival. Immoral sexual conduct should not be a topic for an automotive manufacturer to endorse or promote.”

“Heterosexual behavior creates life—homosexual behavior leads to death,” Banks continued.

But after submitting the comment, the contractor received an email from a human relations representative, requesting a meeting to “discuss something that was brought to my attention.” When Banks met with the individual, he was informed that he might have violated the company’s anti-harassment policy because of the comment he submitted.

He later received a voicemail informing him that he had been fired.

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“I was stunned to realize that I was fired over expressing my faith in a single comment,” Banks said in a statement. “It felt like Ford was saying, ‘Even if you are respectful, your faith, and you as a Christian, are unwelcome at Ford.’”

Ford has also released a statement on the matter, but hasn’t commented on the specific complaint.

“[W]e believe this matter ultimately is between the individual and their agency employer,” it wrote. “Ford’s anti-harassment policy was created to foster a respectful, inclusive work environment for all, and we expect employees and agency personnel to act in accordance with this policy.”

With the assistance of the Liberty Institute in Texas, which provides legal services free for clients, Banks filed a complaint last month with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, contending that Ford had violated Title VII of the federal Civil Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act of 1991.

“If you read harassment to mean disagreement—which is what a lot of companies and people are increasingly starting to do—they’re saying, ‘If you disagree, you must hate,'” attorney Steve Cloty told reporters. “If we do that, there’s no freedom at all. We’re not diverse, we’re not tolerant, we’re not inclusive. We’ve just said, ‘Nobody can disagree,’ which is a scary thought.”

“We are shocked that Ford Motor Company would terminate one of their employees simply because he expressed his faith,” added Hiram Sasser, Liberty Institute Director of Litigation. “If Ford is allowed to get away with firing Mr. Banks over this comment, we fear that every person of faith will be punished for talking about his or her faith in the workplace. At Ford, if you speak about your faith as it relates to the company, even to the company, you may be terminated.”

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  • Gary

    Not surprising. If he can sue Ford and get some money out of them, then fine, but he should not want to work there. They won’t let him work there anyway. The homosexuals and their enablers now have control over most big businesses and the government. But judgment from God is coming on them.

    • http://www.facebook.com/chuck.anziulewicz Chuck Anziulewicz

      Who is this “God” person you refer to?

      • Gary

        Jesus Christ, the God the Bible talks about.

      • Harry Oh!

        You’ll find out soon enough Chucky.

        • Taussig

          nah…

  • Fundisi

    When the company is able to speak in support of homosexuality and demand tolerance of that lifestyle, surely a Christian has a right to respectfully disagree with something that offends their faith. Oh, wait, I apologize, it is okay in this country and in these corporations to offend and silence people of the Christian faith and these Christians are prohibited from defending their faith and sharing their beliefs with others. If someone is caught treating gays in an unfair manner and that includes harassment, then the company has a case in this atheist country. But, when they company promotes a lifestyle that runs contrary to their faith, surely the Christian has a right to oppose that lifestyle.

    • Gary

      As is always the case, those who endorse homosexuality are intolerant of Christianity and Christians.

      • Fundisi

        That is because the very existence of the Spirit of Christ in a Christian convicts the lost spirit in the homosexual and all their allies of their sins, that being the case, they must do two things: (a) Silence all bible believing Christians, which they have done an dare continuing to do by force of law. (b) High jack the Christian faith and pretend that if they can get liberal minded Christians, really not Christians at all, to accept their deviant lifestyle as not being a sin, then they can convince themselves they are okay and they think the can force God to accept them.

        What homosexuals cannot do and that includes their godless liberal allies, is live with their guilt and not be destroyed spiritually and emotionally. So they must silence all true Christians, they must corrupt the organized Christian Church and/or they must kill God.

        • James Grimes

          “So they must silence all true Christians, they must corrupt the organized Christian Church and/or they must kill God.” Unfortunately, this goes on every day and the government is complicit in this.

          • Fundisi

            Yes, just look at this site, you have often bemoaned the idea of people come here just to attack people of faith. In recent weeks I have seen more and more virulent, malignant atheists/liberals coming here to attack the Christian faith, to try and beat Christians into submission by their lies and word games.

            This country, once, from its founding until the early Sixties a mostly Christian Nation has for all intent and purposes, by politicians on both sides of the aisle, the judiciary and the executive branches made secular-humanism, another name for atheism, our national religion/church; and, just like in old Europe, they will not permit any other religion. Just like in the Peoples Republic of China and the Old Soviet Union, they are punishing anyone that will not submit to their morally bankrupt, godless way of life. Christians, that is bible believing Christians, are fast becoming to them the criminal class. We are hated by the State, by all liberals and sadly, increasingly conservatives.

          • James Grimes

            Very true.

          • The Last Trump

            We’ll just keep quoting scripture to them till they can’t take it anymore! Thankfully we have each other to keep ourselves sane and support one another under these constant attacks.
            God bless, guys! See you on the trains! 🙂

          • Spoob

            Yep Trumpy, you just keep quoting scripture you don’t understand at people, over and over “until they can’t take it anymore.” But you’re not a bully, or a bigot, or a troll. Gotcha.

          • The Last Trump

            Gotcha?! Hee, hee!

            Umm…okey dokey there, Twister.

            Posting scripture for YOU means bully, bigot and troll on a CHRISTIAN website, in your ‘interpretation’ eh? Ahh, those interpretations of yours. I believe your twisted interpretations are referenced in the article above.

            “If you read harassment to mean DISAGREEMENT—which is what a lot of companies and people are increasingly starting to do—they’re saying, ‘If you disagree, YOU MUST HATE,’” attorney Steve Cloty told reporters. “If we do that, there’s NO FREEDOM AT ALL. We’re not diverse, we’re NOT TOLERANT, we’re NOT INCLUSIVE. We’ve just said, ‘Nobody can disagree,’ which is a scary thought.”

            Don’t look now, Apostate, but I think they just described you and your kind to a T.

            You poor victim you. Must not read your ‘online’ Bible much, huh ‘CHRISTIAN’. Too offensive to your tender, leftist liberal hate mongering feelings.

            Gotcha he says! (Hee, hee!)

            What a moron.

          • Spoob

            Wow, your self-satisfied smugness just reaches new levels with every post. Hee hee. Twister. Hee hee. Apostate. Hee hee. Moron. Hee hee. “Christian”. Hee hee.

            How do you explain the many Christians, including the very same ones on this forum, who are telling you all the same exact things that I am? That you’ve got your teachings wrong? That quoting scripture alone is useless when you misunderstand it? That the hate you’ve manage to extract from your Bible is your own?

            I can tell you this much, I would not BE a Christian for a fraction of a second if I thought it meant I had to believe all the insane, crazed nonsense you do. I would not and could not worship a God of hate, cruelty, intolerance, and the rest of the items on your hit parade.

            A couple other items that need tidying up:

            I don’t read an online Bible. I sarcastically suggested that I could not find any reference to Obama being a Muslim as you insist is the case by doing an online scan.

            Despite me telling you several times that I’m married – to a woman – you continue to insist that I am LGBT. I think I know my own life better than you, so why do you continue to insist it?

            The article above be damned, you are running around calling homosexuals perverts and sodomites and other language that can only be called, yes, HATEFUL. The shoe is fitting you very well, Trumpy, but I am not interested in it.

          • The Last Trump

            (Hee, hee!)
            Somebody’s losing their marbles over there! Too cute.

            “I would not and could not worship a God of hate, cruelty, intolerance”
            Boy oh boy, are you going to be reeeeealy surprised!
            Just wait till you find out who it is you really serve.
            Give you a hint, he’s in the Bible! This clown LOVES “interpretation”. In fact it’s his favorite game. Don’t feel bad little buddy. He’s led lots of foolish people away from God. One of his favorite lines is “Did God reeeeealy say….” Gee, sounds an awful lot like you, eh Apostate!

            Hmm…I wonder who was banging on Lot’s door aggressively and militantly in an attempt to forcibly sodomize angels? I wonder why GOD decided to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? Hmm…not very loving and accepting is it. I wonder if “Do not lie with a man AS YOU WOULD WITH A WOMAN” can possibly be misunderstood by anybody over the age of 8-12 years old? Gee it’s all SOOOOO confusing! Puh-lease! Games LGBT people play, eh Spoobs! Shameful.

            Shake your angry little fist at God, Spoobie. See how He likes your accusations of hate and bigotry.

          • Spoob

            Hee, hee! Too funny! Too cute! Let’s welcome your genial, smug and self-satisfied host of the Radical Right-Wing American Fundamentalist game show “Amused to Death,” TRUMPY!

            “Boy oh boy, are you going to be reeeeealy surprised!” Yep, more of your rah-rah God, go get ’em, teacher’s pet fundie-style revenge fantasies. Hee, hee! Oh, too much, Trumpy, you’re killing us, here!

            And again with the INTERPRETATION! Which you have never done, right? You don’t need Bible interpretations, none of that NIV vs. KJV stuff for you, oh no sir. Your Trumpy version is the absolute, God-breathed, 100% clear version, written in George W. Bush’s English, leather-bound, which fell fresh from heaven one day and landed in your back yard. How GOOD of you to translate it for the rest of us poor fools who have only been wrestling with this problem for about 2000 years or so. ALL HAIL TRUMPY.

            Puh-lease! Sodom and Gomorrah yet again? Still pulling a let’s-beat-up-the-big-mean-gays-with-an-unrelated-Bible-verse game? Still trying to milk fundie sympathies ouf of that one? Still thinking LGBT is the absolute worst insult you can throw at people, even straight ones?

            Shake your angry little fist at all the dirty mean LGBT people all you like Trumpy, but if you try any of your vengeance games on them, you’ll make John Law angry and he’ll toss your sorry butt in the slammer, and the REAL God, not the one you pretend to be, isn’t going to be too happy with you either. Learn a bit of humility, Trumpy, this God’s BFF thing is making you look sadder with each passing post.

          • The Last Trump

            Soooo……no reply then to the questions. Got it. (Shocker).
            “Do..not..lie..with…a man…as…YOU…WOULD…WITH..A…WOMAN”
            Interpretation!? DUH! What are you, 6?
            Spoob: “Ahhhhhhhhhhh!! I just can’t understand this unsolvable enigma, enshrouded in mystery and wrapped inside a puzzle! WHY IS GOD SO CRYPTIC!? WHAT COULD THIS POSSIBLY MEAN!? Ah well, probably not important. Let’s just discard it with ALL OF THE OTHER clear references to samesex scenarios. I mean, I have absolutely no idea what God is talking about here.”
            You look so utterly ridiculous. Your infantile and self indulgent tactics to “pretend” to need interpretation WHERE ABSOLUTELY NONE IS NECESSARY is just sad. And then to blatantly ignore the scriptures because you are unable to twist them to suit your perversion is just shameful. And you dare call yourself a “Christian”!! Well I guess you would have to call yourself one, now wouldn’t you, because nobody else ever would. Shame on you, charlatan. God forgive your duplicity.

          • Spoob

            Yes, you DO enjoy your little games, Trumpy, no one will ever deny you that.

            You want to beat a dead horse? The ball was in your court a long time ago and you left it there. Remember, the little bit about how you needed to read the information posted on the Religious TOLERANCE webpage?

            Of particular interest is this passage:

            “Over the last few centuries, most Christians and Jews have rejected Leviticus 20:13. They no longer call on the death penalty for homosexuals. Only Christian Reconstructionists
            and a few Christian hate groups wish to revert to mass executions of gays and lesbians today.”

            That puts you in the s__thouse, Trumpy. We all know how much you want to kill the homosexuals, but you’ve now got not just the law against you, but your own people, the Christians.

            You also ignored my previous response asking why it’s OK for you to mix textiles and eat shellfish, also called for in Leviticus.

            Trumpy, are you not completely ashamed of yourself? This is gutter level depravity and grade school antics on your part. Is it THAT important for you to hate, to judge, to condemn? Don’t you know you’re not God?

          • The Last Trump

            Ahh, my little hate filled ranter and raver! How you do go on.

            Interesting how you now back pedal and admit that you were fully aware of what the Bible clearly teaches about homosexuality. And that “most Christians and Jews have rejected Leviticus 20:13. They no longer call on the death penalty for homosexuals.” Talk about games, eh? What happened to “misinterpretations” and “I don’t know what it means, Trumpy”? Tsk, tsk Spinster. You’re having a hard time keeping your lies straight.

            Well, at least you’ve finally admitted that the Bible does clearly teach AGAINST it. And only over the passage of time have the ungodly begun to reject scripture in favour of sin, as you admit. The apostasy the Bible warned us was coming has come to pass, eh? What a book! You should read it.

            Textiles and shellfish?! Who said it was alright to do such things today? Just because people do them doesn’t mean it’s alright, now does it? Duh! Take homosexuality. 🙂

            Do people drink? Smoke? Have sexual relationships outside of marriage? Divorce for every reason under the sun? Exactly. Just cause folks are doing something, doesn’t mean it’s a good idea Spoobles! You should know better than that silly!

            And, once again, thank you for accusing me of all kinds of slanderous things. Why must you hate, judge and condemn Spoobie? I don’t like your “brand” of Christianity at all Spoobs. Too ugly! Yuck! Too much hating and slandering. Think I’ll stick with genuine Christianity, as found in God’s Word. Real Christians don’t turn their backs on scripture in favour of the ever changing winds of political correctness you fool. How very sorry that you never learned that.

            God still loves you Spoobs. It’s never too late to stop your hate and let love rule little buddy. Ya just got to let love rule! 🙂

          • Spoob

            More games, O amused to death one? Hee hee? Puh-leeease?

            I admit nothing, there was no backpedalling. I have always stood with the Religious Tolerance position that the verses refer to male prostitution. I’m merely giving you other positions that in a reasonable person’s mind would give you a very welcome excuse not to have to murder someone, interesting that you STILL choose not to take it.

            I’ll tell you something else: Even if I did admit the Bible was against it, I would not have a problem saying that the Bible was wrong, given all we know about the subject today. And when I say know, I mean actually KNOW. Not guess at.

            Oh that’s right, I forgot, you’re one of those “just in case” people who never goes to Red Lobster and only wears 100% cotton clothing at all times. Utterly nuts, but noble in a bats__t-crazy sort of way. So how come your little witch hunt doesn’t extend to walking around with protest signs outside your local Red Lobster then, hmmm? Why are the restauranteurs and the textile-mixers not given the same kind of attention you give the homosexuals?

            Your entire logic here is a house of cards, Trumpy. You’re out of your league and you’re out of your mind. In that order.

          • The Last Trump

            “Your entire logic here is a house of cards, Trumpy. You’re out of your league and you’re out of your mind. In that order.”

            Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ohh, man!
            Stop! You’re killing me. Did you just come up with that or did you steal it from posts directed AT YOU? You copy and pasted it didn’t you? Didn t you! Too funny, Spoobs! Too funny.

            Thanks again for finally admitting that you lied about the Bible and homosexuality. But then, you lied about the fact that you just admitted it. And then admitted that, although you admit the Bible clearly teaches against it, you believe God is wrong. For the love of God Twister! Please pick a position already!

            Wow. Can I have some of what you’re drinking! Hard to keep the truth straight eh Spoobster, when you keep changing it! Just gotta keep you talking eh? Everybody can see your BS. No worries. Genuine Christians see this kind of nonsense all the time from apostates. Thankfully your own stupidity and ridiculous hate filled posts have taught them to steer clear of your incoherent babblings against God and His Word.

            Well, I don’t want to hog all of your hate ‘Christian’. God knows you have plenty to go around! I see you are engaged in about a dozen hateful fights with Bible following Christians on this forum alone! You are one busy little Bible bashing troll aren’t you! Go get ’em you LGBT supporter you! Go tell ’em all how hateful they are! Let your ‘love’ wash over us.

            Hoooh brother! What a kook! 🙂
            (‘It’s not in the Bible’…’It is in the Bible’….’Wait, no its back to not being in the Bible’…’OK, well it actually IS in the Bible but GOD got it wrong see, he told me so’….’whatever, lets talk about textiles and shellfish’ !! Wow. And this nut is trying to TEACH OTHERS! Yikes!)

          • Spoob

            Too funny, Trumpy. Too funny. Hee hee. Ha ha. Ho ho. Can you just talk like a human being and not try to win the crowd over with your winning personality and stunning deadpans and eye-rolling?

            Do I have to call you out every time you lie? I don’t mind doing it, but it’s going to mean a lot of work for you to tap dance your way out of your own lies. I didn’t admit anything about lying about homosexuality because I didn’t lie. I gave you my position on the matter and gave you some other reasonable positions taken by other Christians. You didn’t like either one but that’s your problem, not mine.

            What everyone can see is that you’re the one coming down on homosexuals (perverts and deviants as you seem to prefer to call them) and I am not. Let’s just get that straight right now. There’s no hatred spilling out of me, just me calling you on yours. That’s all this is about and all it’s ever been about. And if you say otherwise, you’re simply a liar, and not a very good one.

            You continue to mock me for supporting LGBT people, but you don’t seem to want to own the fact that you are taking the opposite position, i.e. hating them. If you want to mock me for being a support of them, it’s only fair that I should be allowed to mock you for your poisonous hatred. And so that’s what I’m doing, Mr. Himmler. Do you consider the Westboro Baptist Church to be your comrades? Their thinking matches yours, after all.

            You also conveniently ignored my question about why it’s open season on the gay crowd but you don’t go after the people eating at Red Lobster. And why is THAT, especially after you admitted PUBLICLY and PATHETICALLY that you believe it’s still wrong to eat shellfish?

            Hoo boy! What a maniac! Oooh brother! Hee, hee! Etc. etc.

          • Spoob

            When kind of “person of faith” are you that you can’t practice it without attacking others? Leave innocent people alone who don’t affect your life in any way, and you’ll be given the same courtesy. I mean how difficult is it?

          • pax2u

            I think that some believe that their freedom of religion is their freedom to hate others, Jesus taught of Love and Mercy

      • James Grimes

        The depraved are always uncomfortable with righteousness.

        • Spoob

          You’re the depraved one. Leave homosexuals alone.

          • Gary

            As always, you are wrong.

          • Spoob

            You want to see homosexuals executed. YOU are wrong.

          • pax2u

            Gary is a very sad and angry little person

          • Gary

            Why don’t you fagg defenders ever say that God is wrong, since executing homosexuals was God’s idea??

          • Taussig

            your mythical sky daddy doesnt exist so why bother

  • Rey G

    Yep sodom and gommorah like judgement from God is coming for them, NASA won’t even see it until it’s too late

    • Badkey

      Ooooo… Spooky threats are spooky!

  • Michael Castner

    Good.He is a contractor.Fords political stance is none of his business.He shouldnt have tried pushing his bigoted religious beliefs in the workplace.

    • Gary

      Ford likes to push their bigoted, anti-Christian beliefs in the workplace.

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        In what ways are Ford’s beliefs “bigoted”?

    • Gary

      Ford likes to push their bigoted, anti-Christian beliefs in the workplace.

    • James Grimes

      You belong on a hate site. You’re only trolling here.

      • Michael Castner

        So do people who hate gays.

        • James Grimes

          I see your intellectual ability is very limited. It’s best that you go; you won’t be able to keep up here.

          • Spoob

            So, agree with Grimes’ bigotry or your intellect is lacking? Can you explain the logic behind that statement, Grimes Against Humanity?

      • dark477

        then he’s in the right place.

      • Spoob

        Telling Ford they should not attack homosexuals is not hate. It’s protecting from hate.

        • pax2u

          wait for the mentally insecure who will post to themselves

          • Spoob

            It’s probably happened already. I’m too lazy to go look for it right now.

          • The Last Trump

            Or read the Bible. 🙁

          • Spoob

            Go read Mein Kampf, Trumpy, it’s more your speed and more along your way of thinking.

          • The Last Trump

            So you follow the works of Hitler but not God, eh?
            Very telling. Christians here have regularly pointed you, a self professed “Christian”, to the Holy Bible, but you promote the works of one of the world’s worst mass murderers. Come to think of it, I don’t ever remember you even once pointing others in the direction of the Holy Bible. Interesting.
            Thanks for the tip about THIS book you promote.
            Perhaps I’ll have a better understanding of where all of your hate and intolerance for Christians comes from after reading it 🙂
            (How you do love more rope! Hee, hee! 😉

          • Spoob

            No, Trumpy. Stop confusing the issue. Stop muddying the waters. Rather than deflect and play the projection game, focus on yourself. YOU are the hater. YOU are the Hitleresque one. YOU are bossing homosexuals around. YOU are the one with the lynch mob mentality. Not me.

      • James Grimes

        For those of you who don’t know dark477, he is one of the foremost haters trolling ChristianNews.net. Look at some of the most vile and venomous comments that I am sure he will post here.

        • Taussig

          he posts the truth as opposed to what you and yours post here

        • Spoob

          You have a real problem directly talking to somebody. I used to think it was a schtick. Now I think it’s cowardice. If you have somethino to say to me, say it direct, not this crap you are pulling.

          • The Last Trump

            Spoob 2 days ago to Pax2u:

            “Grimy re-edited his post above in the hopes that none of his “fans” would see it and respond to him. Have a look.”

            Your repeated pattern of hypocrisy is glaring. As always, your conduct here is shameful. “Christian”.

        • The Last Trump

          You mention atheistic trolls in general and Spoob throws a fit. Demands that you speak DIRECTLY TO HIM in the future!!
          Hee, hee! This guy is clearly off his rocker. Just called HIMSELF an atheistic troll and confirmed what we already knew.
          Deep thinker, this one! 🙂

    • Harry Oh!

      This is the strategy of the gaystopo, instead of getting trapped in a debate they simply cannot win on facts, merit, or logic, they ‘jam’ and ‘silence’ you from expressing your THOUGHTS. This is not how a free society functions and it can swing both ways. Today you’re happy that someone was punished for expressing his views, tomorrow it could be you.

      • dark477

        you’re the one losing on those fronts honey.

    • jmichael39

      THat’s was sweet to read,, Michael. I actually haven’t seen anything quite as hypocritical in a long time. Thanks for the laugh.

  • Hugh1

    “Heterosexual
    behavior creates life—homosexual behavior leads to death,” Banks
    continued. – See more at:
    http://christiannews.net/2015/02/08/ford-contractor-says-he-was-fired-for-speaking-against-companys-support-of-homosexuality/#sthash.8kmFalye.dpuf

    • jmichael39

      Is that all it has to be is a violation of policy for it to NOT be a religious expression? So, if Ford made praying in the cafeteria a violation of policy and they fired someone for doing it, that’s okay? Just asking a question here. Trying to understand your logic.

      • Hugh1

        Of course its OK to pray at lunch, and to have a Christian tattoo, or to wear a Star of David necklace. The problem is not religious expression, that is welcome, the problem is hateful, exclusionary comments that lack any understanding of respect for other Ford employees and vendors and customers. If he used that same language against a Christian, he would also have been dismissed. These words and this attitude are not conducive to a healthy work environment.

        • jmichael39

          and who gets to decide when it’s ‘hateful’ to express an opinion? And since when is expressing an opinion, no matter what people think of that opinion, a reason for firing? You walk down a slippery slope when you give certain groups of people special, extra-constitutional protections. Those ‘protections’ can, and frankly are becoming, more important than the actual constitutional protections.

  • Harry Oh!

    This guy didn’t ‘harass’ anyone, he merely disagreed with their views. This is what the thought police are doing in America. Punishing anyone who dares to THINK differently than themselves. This is the end of freedom as we know it.

    • thoughtsfromflorida

      “Punishing anyone who dares to THINK differently than themselves.”

      Hyperbole. You think differently. Have you been punished?

  • The Last Trump

    “If you read harassment to mean DISAGREEMENT—which is what a lot of companies and people are increasingly starting to do—they’re saying, ‘If you disagree, YOU MUST HATE,’” attorney Steve Cloty told reporters. “If we do that, there’s NO FREEDOM AT ALL. We’re not diverse, we’re not tolerant, we’re not inclusive. We’ve just said, ‘Nobody can disagree,’ which is a scary thought.”

    Gee, isn’t that what we experience EVERY DAY at this forum! These militant and intolerant LGBT trolls go out of their way to come here to instigate DISAGREEMENTS with their deviant agenda and then cry “HATE! HATE!” whenever we respond with the rebuke that they know is coming. What a farce.

    The sad truth is freedom of speech is gone and these sexual deviants are now a protected “class” (blech – sorry, just threw up a little bit in my mouth!) and Christians ARE NOT. And you can actually see the tide turning in popular opinion against genuine Christianity in favour of any other “brand” that chooses to go along and get along. Our days are numbered folks. What a historical time to have witnessed! Our turn for persecution is upon us. Let’s hope we can make Him proud.

    • Spoob

      “…with their deviant agenda and then cry HATE! HATE!…”

      Wow Trumpy, “sexual deviants” you call them, but you’re not a hater? You’re not a bigot? You’re not on these pages to troll and cause trouble? Your very sentence shows an appalling amount of hate from someone pretending to be a Christian. When you call perfectly ordinary people deviants and then have the nerve to tell us all that you’re not hateful, I think it’s obvious you’re completely full of fertilizer.

      Here’s a couple facts that are probably going to sail right over your thick head, but you need to hear them anyway: being homosexual is not illegal. Two gay people in a married situation don’t affect your own marriage in any way. And because this is a consensual and loving relationship, you have no cause whatsoever to thump your Bible at people.

      Yeah, homosexuals are protected. They need to be. From haters and bigots like you who want to inflict your own twisted morals on them, and even inflict violence and murder on them.

      • Gary

        Homosexuals are not normal, they are perverts. And so are people like you who defend them.

        • Spoob

          You have practically everyone on earth who would disagree with you, apart from a few hateful fundamentalists of both Christian and Islamic stripes. Doesn’t put you in very good company.

          • Gary

            I like the company I am in. All Christians believe that God curses homosexuals and their supporters. So, I am in agreement with God, which is most important, and with the church.

          • Spoob

            Fine then, you enjoy being in the company of “Christians” like the KKK and “Muslims” like ISIS. I’m going side with science and decent morality.

          • Gary

            You pervert morality. And theology. You are wicked.

          • Spoob

            I sleep very well at night. I don’t want to kill anybody. Can you say the same?

          • Gary

            You are in trouble with God, but you are too ignorant to understand it.

          • Spoob

            I’m not interested in your silly paranoid revenge fantasy.

          • Gary

            There is plenty of time for that.

          • James Grimes

            Gary, there’s another clown stalking your comments – Taussig. He’s here for entertainment purposes, so don’t take him seriously. Not that we need another Atheist troll though…

          • Spoob

            Then why don’t you be a man and address Taussig directly, rather than talk around him and hope he doesn’t see what you wrote about him? Is this a FUN game for you, Grimes? Is that why you always do it?

          • The Last Trump

            Spoob 2 days ago to Pax2u:

            “Grimy re-edited his post above in the hopes that none of his “fans” would see it and respond to him. Have a look.”

            Your hypocrisy is glaring. As always, your conduct here is shameful. “Christian”.

          • Spoob

            And as always Trumpy, you’re not worth listening to because you want to kill people and I don’t. That alone takes you out of the Christian category completely. If only you were old enough to understand.

          • James Grimes

            I keep getting these crazy messages from the Atheist. He wants me to address him directly, but I find it a complete waste of time to do so. I’ll just let everyone know that this clown is here to bother them.

          • pax2u

            As of 2013, 7 countries execute people for being gay:
            Sudan
            Mauritania
            Nigeria
            Somaliland
            Saudi Arabia
            Afghanistan
            Iran

          • TheMatrixHasU

            Muslim countries. NOT Christian

          • pax2u

            true, maybe Gary really is a Muslim

          • Neutral

            No Christian truly wants to “kill”. Maybe in defense, but that’s different.

            Christians don’t want to kill you – or gays – or anyone. Christians pray that those who currently belong to the evil in this world will accept Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross for their sins. Before it’s too late.

            A day of reckoning is coming. When it does, those who have denied Christ will be without defense.

            If you would sincerely ask God to reveal the truth of Scripture to you, He will. It likely won’t be “instant” and would take sincere study, but I urge you to read the New Testament – start at Matthew and read all the way to the back of the Bible. Pray to God to reveal His Truth to you each time before you study. He will answer the prayer of a sincere heart.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            U r a LIAR, Spoob. You hate God. You LOVE DEATH. Murderer. Destroyer. Filth.

          • Spoob

            What a MODEL Christian you are! So loving! So compassionate! SMOOCH

          • Neutral

            Your first mistake is in believing that KKK and/or Muslims (like ISIS) are Christians. They are no more “Christian” than a piece of sand under your foot.

            A dog can be around cats and believe it’s a cat, but when it barks, it proves it’s a dog – doesn’t matter what it “thinks” or “believes”. IT’S A DOG. IT WILL ALWAYS BE A DOG, regardless of what it “thinks”, “feels”, “wants”, “needs”, etc…..just like all the people think, feel, want, need, believe it’s “natural”, “feels good”, etc. It’s wrong, it will always be wrong.

            Same for those who claim to promote Christ but kill – like KKK, radical muslims, Hitler, the Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, etc., et al. As Jesus says “These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me” – Matt 15:8. BY THEIR ACTION (in spite of their words!), THEY PROVE THEY DO NOT KNOW HIM.

            Without the Bible and God’s Law implanted into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, NO ONE knows what is “decent”, “moral” OR “good”. And they never will.

          • Spoob

            The KKK, Westboro Baptist Church, and fundamentalist Christians on this site all have one thing in common: they believe they alone are RIGHT, and they will go to obnoxious extremes to prove it.

            Homosexuality is not wrong. It’s merely a normal variation in human sexuality. Science teaches us this.

          • TheMatrixHasU

            I had a long post sent to you but Satan appears to have removed it.

            For one thing Science is not always right. It cannot and does not have all the answers.

            1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

            Secondly you had accused me of being judgemental right after I told you that defense doesn’t apply to Christians, saved sinners, who are merely warning gays to turn from their life of sin if they wish to be saved.

            You try to bring u[p the fact that the word ‘homosexual’ didn’t exist before the mind 19th century. I am well aware of that fact.

            But that is completely irrelevant. Men had other words for it such as Sodomites.

            NO, Sodom’s sin was not inhospitality.

            I know Ezekiel 49 says…

            Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

            However that is meant in the sense that rather than love their neighbors they just chose to screw every man they came across

            Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where [are] the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

            You claim that there are a number of OT laws that no longer apply and while that is true that doesn’t apply to homosexuality which is just as much a sin in the NT as the old.

            Romans 1:24-28

            1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another *; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

            I have more to say that I had said the last time but have no time at the moment.
            It is people like you who are responsible for sending gays to hell because of your errant beliefs that homosexuality and transgenderism is normal. GET OUT OF OUR WAY SATAN because we want to see gays saved and the only way they can be is if they accept Christ as their Lord and Saviour, repent of their sin and choose celibate lives.

          • Spoob

            You shouldn’t waste your time posting huge rambling platitudes like this – when you tell me Satan removed your original post and that I am sending gays to hell when I try to defend them from fundamentalist crackpots, I know all that I need to know about you.

          • TheMatrixHasU

            Your “defense” is what is sending them to hell. Get thee behind us Satan you are a hindrance to us. You have not in mind the things of God but the things of men.
            It is mere foolish men like you that would dare think homosexuality is acceptable to God. God is the one who calls homosexuality an abomination. Foolish sinful men would never say anything like that.
            Man was made for woman alone and woman for man.
            And BTW when I post something that is of God and it shows up clearly on the site (so I know I did it properly) and then somehow the next day it disappears…..that is the work of Satan. try to explain it some other way, I dare you

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            God commands the Death Penalty for filth like Spoob. Bring it back today.

          • Spoob

            You’re trying too hard my friend. I’m one of the people working hard to allow you and your boyfriend live your lives in peace.

          • TheMatrixHasU

            Listen you twit the KKK are a bunch of hateful morons and are NOT Christians. All men are of one blood as the bible says

            Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

            A big SLAP to you who dare lump Christians( who love their neighbor regardless of color, creed or whatever and choose only to hate the sin) with true haters and demonically possessed people like ISIS and the KKK

          • Spoob

            Really? The KKK consider themselves to be Christians. Sound familiar?

          • TheMatrixHasU

            Just because men say so doesn’t make it so Who cares what these haters think. Jesus Christ didn’t hate people of color or other religions but called on all people regardless of religion, color and gender to turn from their evil ways and follow Him

          • Taussig

            Christianity Explained in 115 Words

            The belief that a walking dead Jewish deity who was his own father although he always existed, commits suicide by cop, although he didn’t stay dead, in order to give himself permission not to send you to an eternal place of torture that he created for you, but instead to let you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood, and telepathically promise him you accept him as your master, so he can cleanse you of an evil force that is present in mankind because a rib-woman and a mud-man were convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree, which he knew they would do to begin with. — Anon.

          • TheMatrixHasU

            We believe in God the Father, God the Son (a distinct person not the Father) and God the Holy Ghost (another distinct person not the Father)
            We believe as history has proven that Christ lived among us and did not commit suicide but was offered up like the symbolic lamb sacrifice of the OT as a propitiation for our sins. Like the soldier who throws himself on a grenade to save his friends, Jesus willingly took upon himself our sins and died in our place and rose again so that all who believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

          • Neutral

            And the path is wide that leads to destruction, ergo, most of the “world” is going to hell.

            You can deny, protest, ridicule, make fun of, scoff, etc. But when Judgment Day gets here, those who’ve done all that I just listed will be begging for mercy. But none will be had. God is the Righteous Judge and He will do exactly as a righteous judge does – send those without excuse where they want to be – a place where He and those who love Him will not be.

          • Spoob

            I wasn’t raised as a fundamentalist, so I am not bound by any of those slavelike conditions. I was taught about a loving and forgiving God, not a tyrannical monster.

          • TheMatrixHasU

            And quit using the word fundamentalist because that is a perjorative more along the lines of Islamic terrorism. we simple believe in the bible and not the lying words of men

          • Spoob

            It isn’t pejorative. “Fundie” would be pejorative.
            You take a 100% literal view of the Bible even when it is illogical to do so, and you do not listen to reason.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            [email protected] “Everyone on earth” agrees with HOMOS? With SODOMITES? I’d tell you to get bent, but you obviously already are.

            Have fun in Hell, being raped by your demons forever.

          • Spoob

            I’ve made this point a million times, but sodomy is practiced by more straight people than gay ones, so you need to find a different word to insult gay people with.
            As for your last line, you are basically an advertisement for what being a Christian can do to people. Bye.

      • The Last Trump

        As I was saying…

        Good old “Sboobs” right on cue!
        Somebody might want re-read the article.
        Hate! Hate! Hate! Its the only tune he knows.
        Poor clueless fool.

        • Spoob

          That’s because Hate! Hate! Hate! is your theme song, Trumpy. Every time you sing it, you need to be reminded to stop being a bigot.

          • The Last Trump

            Re-read the article will-fully blind one.
            Christians are never the ones screaming hate. It’s only ever you militant and intolerant LGBT promoters. And that’s a fact.
            YOUR posts are hateful and shameful. And every one here knows what you’re about. Cause, God bless ya, you just can’t shut up about it!
            More rope, foolish one? There you go little buddy. The stage is all yours. Dazzle us with you’re seething hatred of Christianity.

          • James Grimes

            He is nothing but hatred. Poor pathetic creature he is!

          • Spoob

            What’s the matter, Grimes Against Humanity? Projecting again? You are the most hateful person here.

          • TheMatrixHasU

            I agree Trump. Gays always accuse us of shoving their beliefs down their throats when its the other way around

          • pax2u

            watch out when someone offers you rope, they may want to lynch you

        • James Grimes

          The Booby Twins always look for what we comment on and then they show up with their hate show. That’s OK, for each forum needs its losers who will add entertainment to the comment section.
          They can’t be taken seriously. They should only be laughed at. They are useless for any good that people will do.

          • Taussig

            “They can’t be taken seriously. They should only be laughed at. They are useless for any good that people will do.”
            Sounds just like the majority of posters here who identify as “christian”…hmmm

          • James Grimes

            Here’s another adherent of stupid.com who can’t put two consecutive thoughts together in one sentence. Another troll who joins The Useless.

          • Taussig

            sorry but not on your side Mr Useless

          • Spoob

            Booby Twins? You and Trumpy? Do you have matching KKK outfits?

      • Fundisi

        You are the hate monkey, Trump just pulls the strings of truth and you dance into your pro-homosexuality defense mode.

        Homosexuality is condemned by God, this Gd talking about you:

        Romans One: 8 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They
        have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and
        depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice.
        They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”

        Not only are you a God hater, not only do you have no understanding of Divine things, you approve of those that do evil, the things listed above, including homosexuality. What does God says, “received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”

        • Spoob

          How can you honestly sit here and say you’re being attacked by big mean atheists when you’re the one doing the attacking? You cannot leave homosexuals alone, it’s basically the only song you sing. You ignore the science on it, you ignore what other Christians tell you, nothing will satisfy you except to see them all burning in hell. What kind of crazy God is it you’re worshiping? It’s no God I want to know. I prefer to worship the God who taught peace, forgiveness, acceptance and all those other things you and Trumpy are thumbing your nose at.

          • Gary

            The only way you will ever know God is as your judge and executioner.

          • Spoob

            Load of paranoid schizophrenic crap.

          • pax2u

            next Gary will want to execute those who break the Sabbath

          • Fundisi

            What other so-called Christians tell me? When they ignore God’s Word on the subject, why should I listen to them? God condemns homosexuality – period and I trust Him, not atheist, secular science.

            No I do not want them or even an anti-Christ like you in hell, I want to expose their sinful lifestyle as being sin that some might come to their senses, repent, find eternal life with Christ and healing.

            Jesus said He did not come to brings peace, but a sword, to dividing even families. He came to bring forgiveness to those that repent, which means turning away from their sins like homosexuality or yours like hate. God does not accept sin into His Holy presence.

            You know NOTHING of the love of God which is about saving souls, not like you lying them into hell saying their sins are not sins.

          • Spoob

            Look, you know you’re peddling a load of hatred and garbage and you must know by now that I’m not buying it. The great thing about science is that it’s right whether you choose to believe in it or not.

            They’re not living a sinful lifestyle, they’re living the only life that it is possible for them to live. What kind of Christian are you where you insist people live a life without love? How dare you! No God would want that for ANY person!

            Even atheists get this, and thankfully our lawmakers do too. Why are you fighting them? Why are you so determined to be part of the problem rather than part of the solution simply because you elect to hold on to some archaic thinking?

          • Gary

            You are an infidel. You are even worse than atheists. At least they don’t pretend to be Christians.

          • Fundisi

            Archaic thing? You mean like God’s Word?

            “No God,” notice not “the God,” because you do not love Him and seek Him, any god will do for you. While I know there is only one Almighty God and I serve Him.

            God calls it sin and that is good enough for me, if everyone in this world conspires against it – His Word is all I need.

            Why do you hate gays? Yes you do, because you would rather see them in hell than tell them the Truth and pray for their repentance, salvation and healing. Why do you hate homosexuals?

            Love, God’s Love, the only true Love is based on His Justice, He loves us enough to punish those who do evil.

          • Spoob

            Archaic thinking, like coming down on people for something they have no control over, cannot change, and is not an illness, which science now KNOWS, not guesses at.

            I don’t hate gays, fundie. You do. I try to defend them from bigots like yourself.

          • The Last Trump

            Boy, for a “Christian” you sure do hate that Bible…and Christians…and God…and traditional marriage…and freedom of speech….and freedom of opinion….etc.etc.etc.

          • Spoob

            You don’t have a monopoly on marriage, it existed prior to Christianity, and you don’t need to be a Christian to get married, you can go to the justice of the peace tomorrow and do it. Also, we do not live in a Christian theocracy so your don’t have the right to hate based on your fundie teachings.

          • TheMatrixHasU

            Spoob why can we not get through to people like you when we say WE DO NOT HATE. We hate sin only, not the sinner

          • http://www.stebbinscycles.info leighstebbins

            Total BS as Science has come out and said straight out that there is no Gene, that makes one Homosexual and and that no one is Born Gay or Transgender but these things are typiclly learned Behaviour and Choice and as God has said that no unclean thing shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven and you can take that from a person who has held the Authority and Priesthood of God for 40 years and have learned these things through experience and the Holy Ghost witnessing to His Soul that these things are Sin in the Eyes of Him who made us and don’t try to give Me your Crap that Creation and Adam and Eve were fictions of crazed Minds because they are not because I have traced my own Ancestry back to Adam in over 30 Family Lines. So please don’t fixiated on your own Fables and Illusions.

          • Spoob

            Learn to type a period every once in a while.

          • Neutral

            “No control”? Are gays now mindless animals who have no control? Come on. GET REAL.

            You are lying to them. And to yourself.

          • Brad Will

            I think you meant, “The god I want to follow…..”

            Your god doesn’t exist. The one true God, YHWH, the God of Israel, says sodomy is an abomination. I am a supporter of capital punishment for sodomy. Those who commit such things should be put to death, publicly. Those who speak for it and try and say it is ok and that it isn’t wrong, should also be hung right alongside them. Once the punishment is in place, people will stop being sodomites, since they won’t be allowed to recruit, or advertise their abomination. God hates sodomy. Read your Bible. Stop twisting the few verses you know to try and support what is sinful and evil.

          • Spoob

            Your god is the one that doesn’t exist. And if it did people would be crazy to follow it. Are you even listening to yourself? Wanting to put people to death? And do you understand that sodomy is practiced by far more straight couples than it is by homosexual ones?

            I do read my Bible, do you read yours? Because the one I read doesn’t call on me to kill people. You have a disease and you need professiona psychiatric care.

          • The Last Trump

            Oh, look! Spoobs found another Christian to fight with.
            Addicted to arguing, this guy! Must just be licking his lips with anticipation for all the hate he’s about to spew!

          • Spoob

            How telling is it that you always stand up for the “Christians” who say that they would like to kill homosexuals, Himmler?

          • TheMatrixHasU

            Oh for goodness sake do you not read your history? EVERYONE with half a brain knows full well Hitler and his people were OCCULTISTS

          • Taussig

            poor oppressed and persecuted xtian

          • James Grimes

            Yup, he can’t stand when someone refutes his nonsense. That’s to be expected. Oh, BTW, there’s another troll stalking your comments – Taussig. He belongs to The Useless club too.

          • Spoob

            Get it straight Grimes Against Humanity, I don’t have any fear of the hate and BS you and Trump keep spouting. You haven’t successfully refuted one thing I have said yet. You do however cowardly talk behind my back in the hopes I won’t notice. Behavior more befitting a 10-year old girl.

          • The Last Trump

            Spoob 2 days ago to Pax2u:

            “Grimy re-edited his post above in the hopes that none of his “fans” would see it and respond to him. Have a look.”

            Your hypocrisy is glaring. As always, your conduct here is shameful. Charlatan.

          • James Grimes

            Oh my! The Atheist is on the roll now. He actually wants me to talk with him. We both know this is a waste of time. He is so needy.

          • Neutral

            God is THE Righteous Judge. He will do exactly what a good judge does. He will punish all who have sinned.

          • TheMatrixHasU

            You claim to read your bible but you read it with a closed heart and blind eyes and then turn to us and say our God doesn’t exist.

            One of the things I posted in the post that disappeared was that the commandments to stone gays (or whomever) was meant for a people who obeyed the Lord their God to the best of the ability and whom had God ever present among them, the one perfect God who cannot abide sin and evil.

            that is something that didn’t last long as all Israel very quickly fell into sin

            Therefore as we are all sinners we cannot judge and condemn the wicked….but like Jesus we are called to say…

            John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
            Emphasis on the SIN NO MORE.

            The bible we read doesn’t call on us to kill people but the bible we read does say that God will judge and destroy all gay people and other sinners who do not repent

          • TheMatrixHasU

            God is a loving Father who wants all men to come to repentance and eternal life. God does not desire the death of the wicked in any way.

            Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

            It is wicked and evil men who willingly put themselves on the path to hell because they don’t want to listen to sound teaching

            2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4:4 And they shall turn away * their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
            But just because God is a loving Father doesn’t make Him a permissive one. He has no tolerance for sin and an unrepentant sinner will not stand before him exept in judgment

      • jmichael39

        “being homosexual is not illegal” – Neither is being Christian, nor having an opinion contrary to you. Yet YOU don’t seem to get that, spoob.
        oh and here’s something you should know, calling someone a ‘sexual deviant” does not make a person hateful. You’re fully welcome to call homosexuality ‘perfectly ordinary’…and he’s perfectly welcome to call them ‘sexual deviants’. No hate in either opinion.

        • Spoob

          No, being Christian isn’t illegal – but some of the people, at least three I could mention by name, would like very much to see homosexuals killed. And that IS illegal. What a shame being a perfect Christian doesn’t allow you to break the law.

          “Sexual deviant” isn’t just hateful, it’s a lie. Two very good reasons not to say it.

          • Gary

            Queers are sexual deviants. They are perverts.

          • Taussig

            “yawn”

          • Spoob

            Bigotry will get you nowhere.

          • Gary

            Since my view is the same as God’s, you will need to call God a bigot too.

          • Spoob

            No, you aren’t God and you don’t speak for God.

          • Gary

            Prove it. Prove from the Bible that God approves of homosexuality.

          • Spoob

            I don’t have to. Science already did. And not from the Bible, from science.

          • Gary

            Sexuality is a moral issue. The morality of it, or immorality of it, is what we have been arguing about. You don’t want to talk about what the Bible has to say about sexuality because you know it contradicts what you say.

          • Spoob

            Sexuality isn’t a moral issue, it’s a biological one.

          • Gary

            Really? Then why did God make adultery and fornication and homosexuality sins?

          • Spoob

            He didn’t, bozo.

          • Gary

            “Thou shalt not commit adultery” Exodus 20:14
            “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, ADULTERIES, FORNICATIONS….. Matthew 15:19
            The Bible has just proven you to be a liar.

          • The Last Trump

            Don’t waste your time. This “Christian” has no use for Bibles. Too busy promoting sexual perversion to be bothered with anything God has declared. Likes to talk about textiles and shellfish too!?
            What a display!

          • Gary

            Boob claims to believe the Bible, but when shown what the Bible says, he denies it says it.

          • xovrwrkdundrpd

            The bible says we should stone all divorcees to death. (more quote about divorce than sodomy) the bible says I can sell my daughter for goats. The bible says not to wear wool & linen mixed together. The bible says no one should work on the sabbath. The bible says not to eat shellfish.
            Matthew 7:1-5
            “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you
            pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

          • James Grimes

            You obviously do not know the Bible. Your misuse of it shows your ignorance.

          • pax2u

            I am surprised that the do not want to put to death those who also break the Sabbath

            Exodus 31:14

            14’Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people

            The funny thing is that most of those here who hate homosexuals belong to no denomination, except crazy Gary who is a Baptist, and thinks that Billy Graham a great Baptist, Graham preaches a false Gospel,

            Crazy Gary does support the hate of the Westboro Baptist Church as they protest the funerals of soldiers who have died for American.

            Crazy Gary also wants the Government, which he sometimes wants to over throw by armed revolution, to execute homosexuals, some Catholics, and he has added me to his proposed execution list

            these group, the true lunatic fringe, are untied by their hatred of the “others”

          • Gary

            Since you don’t believe the Bible, why do you mention it?

          • James Grimes

            Very true! You will know him by his fruit.

          • Spoob

            You said “Then why did God make adultery and fornication and homosexuality sins?”

            You listed two of the three in your quote. Homosexuality was not a word until 1869. It does not appear in the Bible. You are a liar.

          • Gary

            Adultery and fornication cover everything outside of marriage.

          • Spoob

            Gay people WANT to get married, but you won’t let them.

          • Gary

            God limits marriage to a man and a woman.

          • Beartx

            Good that you are able to judge.

          • Gary

            You are judging me.

          • The Last Trump

            Huh. A minute ago Spoob said He did.
            Let’s check back in another minute and see if he’s changed his mind again.

          • Spoob

            I haven’t changed my mind once, moron.

          • The Last Trump

            Read the Bible “Christian”.
            Wow. Just….wow.

          • Spoob

            I do read it. Why don’t you?

            Wow. Just…wow.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Then why did God make adultery and fornication and homosexuality sins?”

            You don’t know that he did. Because you have chosen to believe that the Bible contains God’s views does not mean it is true.

          • The Last Trump

            You can’t really be this foolish. Tell me you’re joking.

          • Spoob

            You have a real problem with science, don’t you?

            We are not born as sexual beings to give us the opportunity to sin against God. We are born as sexual beings to reproduce and have sexual pleasure when we are older. Most people have learned this by grade 6, what is your excuse?

          • R Edwards

            When science becomes one’s god, that is when it is an issue. God created science, not the other way around.

            Science is often corrupted, because it is controlled more by politics than anything else. “Science” now proclaims a theory (and a poor one) – Evolution – to now be indisputable fact. That is absurd. It is now becoming increasingly apparent that much of the “global warming science” has been fraudulantly manipulated – surprise!

            So, no, I don’t consider “science” to be the final answer to much of anything – only God is.

          • Spoob

            Science doesn’t take the place of God. Science is about logic, reason, and facts, not faith.

            Evolution is a fact. We observe it. Science being based on facts cannot be corrupted by politics, because if something is found to be factual there is no “bargaining” with it.

          • R Edwards

            Evolution is NOT a fact. In fact, to believe in Evolution requires more faith than being a Christian.

            Science cannot be corrupted by politics?? Are you serious? Have you even been paying attention to the many confirmed cases of data manipulation by those trying to force the “church of global warming” down our throats?

          • Spoob

            No. Evolution is a fact. The nice thing about science is that it’s true whether you choose to believe in it or not.

          • R Edwards

            You are incorrect – Evolution has never been more than theory. There are no existing transitional fossils and no definitive proof has ever been given to prove Evolution.

            A lie does not become true, just because it is repeated over and over. Think for yourself – don’t become another brain-washed victim of our public schools, universities, and federal government. If you can ever allow yourself to be truly objective, you will realize you have been duped.

          • Spoob

            I don’t believe you possess a correct understanding of the word “theory”. Gravity is a theory too, but we know it’s there.

          • R Edwards

            No, gravity is a scientifically proven fact – evolution is not, it is just a theory that secularists, humanists, and atheists want everyone to believe is fact.

          • Spoob

            I think you are very much wrong about that.

          • pax2u

            I saw this

            ***********************************

            James Grimes • 4 hours ago

            It’s not surprising. All the mainline denominations are apostate.

            Fundisi James Grimes • 6 minutes ago

            All the mainline denominations are apostate.”

            Exactly right!

            ******************************************

            so this is why they are the lunatic fringe, every one is wrong, but them

          • http://www.stebbinscycles.info leighstebbins

            Spoob Evolution is not a fact even Darwin in his last Letters stated that Creation was more likely than Evolution and He may have got it wrong. If Evolution was a fact Monkeys would still be coming down out of Trees and Morphing into Men and Men would be Morphing into Higher Beings, just not Happening. There was no big Bang or anything else because nothing happens by Chance only by design just look at Nature. No disorder but order except for the intereference by Man in the Natural Order of things. In fact it is impossible to make something from absolutely nothing. Matter must exist to be organizied and utilised as everything was created spiritually before it was created Physically. If there were absolutely Nothing there would still be absolutely Nothing, absolute Void and Darkness, for without Light and Warmth nothing can Exist. Men co-existed with God firstly as Intelligent Matter then God took of that intelligent Matter and we became the Spiritual Offspring, (Sons and Daughters of God). and He organized matter which became this Earth, a Mortal Sphere where we could come and receive a Mortal and Physical Body wherein we could have experiences to help us fulfill the measure of our own Creations and prove ourselses and to see if we would be worthy to enter back into His, God’s Presence and to receive joint inherence with Christ.

            There Spoob you have not only had a Science Lession but a Spiritual lesson also and I witness these things by the agency of the Holy Ghost to be True in and Thru the Name of Jesus Christ Amen:

          • Spoob

            You are a Mormon.

          • R Edwards

            Really? That is interesting, given that God’s Word warns us over and over again about sexual immorality. If two people want to engage in homosexuality, that is their business. But, don’t expect universal acceptance of it as a normal lifestyle. That is my issue with the LGBT agenda – which wants to force everyone else to accept it and embrace it as “normal”. This is where the tolerance police exhibit their complete intolerance.

          • Spoob

            Sexuality does not equal sexual immorality. Rape would be sexual immorality because it is done against the will of one person, making it an act of abuse and violence. Why is it an issue if the two parties are consenting? There is no LGBT “agenda” except to live a life free of hatred and intolerance.

          • TheMatrixHasU

            Spoob

            You…

            There is no LGBT “agenda” except to live a life free of hatred and intolerance.

            On their own terms only. They have nothing BUT hatred and intolerance of Christians, and they continually shove their errant beliefs down our throats.
            How many times in the news have we all hear of Christians, often bakers or wedding photographers being taken to court by gays because these people will not serve gays by making wedding cakes for them or whatever? Its as if gay people have an agenda to deliberately target Christian businesses just to see whose lives they can ruin next

          • The Last Trump

            Don’t hate the Bible Spoob. You’re a “Christian” remember?
            Not very attractive.

          • Spoob

            I don’t hate the Bible, Himmler. I hate hatred and intolerance.

          • R Edwards

            So, I assume you hate the intolerance that Ford exhibited in this case – firing an employee for expressing his Christian views? He didn’t threaten anyone nor did he speak vile of anyone. So, how do you claim you want tolerance?

            Sounds like you want everyone’s agreement and acceptance, and that you will never get.

          • Spoob

            He might want to check some of his language. Sodomy? Why is it people can’t have a “faith” that doesn’t attack the private lives of others?

          • R Edwards

            He was expressing his Biblical beliefs and didn’t direct it to any homosexual, but to the corporate HR department. So, using certain words are now justification to fire someone?

            I just hope and pray that he wins his case – the same for the fired Fire Chief in Atlanta.

          • Spoob

            A little clarity would be nice. Is his issue homosexuality or is it sodomy? The latter was the word he used and the practice of sodomy is done by more straight people than gay.

          • R Edwards

            In this case, why does that matter? Again, is it now okay to fire someone over a word they use, in describing their beliefs?

          • Spoob

            If this is a man whose issue is sodomy, then he has shown that he does not comprehend homosexuals or homosexuality, so why should he be taken seriously?

          • R Edwards

            Obviously, he does not agree with you.

          • Spoob

            Well, how hard is it to reach for a dictionary?

          • Neutral

            Too bad for you that you don’t hate tolerance for lies.

          • TheMatrixHasU

            You reject God’s word spoken in the bible Spoob so like it or not you hate the bible

          • Neutral

            So you will go along with man’s “opinion”. We know what happens when you do that. You end up in hell.

          • Spoob

            No, not opinion. Fact.

          • TheMatrixHasU

            To hell with science Spoob and whatever it says about homosexuality. Science has its place but God’s word is above all. Prove from the Word of God, not manmade science, that God approves of homosexuality

          • Neutral

            His Words speaks for Him to those who receive His Truth.

          • TheMatrixHasU

            We are all sinners, Gary just as much ‘perverts’ as gay people. Don’t call them queers either. You need to choose your words more carefully because You aren’t helping our cause

          • jmichael39

            So freakin’ what, Spoob? I could pull the names of a handful of homosexuals whom I am SURE would love to see Christians killed. And I could name dozens of blacks who’d like to see whites killed. And tons of women who’d like to see men killed. And I have debates with certain anti-theists who would LOVE to see laws passed outlawing Christianity and any other theistic religion. And so on and so on and so on. There are laws against ANYONE killing ANYONE ELSE. We don’t need any special protections against killing any particular group of people.

          • Spoob

            Homosexuals aren’t trying to take your rights away. They’re not trying to take your marriage away, they’re not “straight-bashing” you, they’re not calling you deviants and perverts in the name of some holy book or other. That’s the point you keep missing.

          • jmichael39

            Except we’re not allowed to be partakers of the public forum anymore. We’re not allowed to have religious beliefs while owning a business. We’re not allowed to express an open opinion without losing our jobs. We’re the ones being forced to take ‘sensitivity training’ (aka – reprogramming) for expressing an opinion. We’re the ones who can’t even speak our religious beliefs about homosexual in our own churches (in Canada…and not far from coming to the USA). And frankly. all your complaining about how “we” treat homosexuals is based upon a very small group of people who have no freakin’ clue how the Bible teaches us to deal with sin. The VAST majority of Christians, while adamant about the sinfulness of homosexuality, are just as adamant about wanting to love them and treat them like anyone else.
            And you can’t even remotely paint your brush over me with your accusations of hatred and homophobia. You don’t know squat about my views on homosexual marriage or how I treat homosexuals. Yet, here you are making broad prejudicial accusations against an entire group of people based upon the outspoken views of a few. I could do the same thing. Because there are SURELY a small percentage of militant homosexuals who are hell bent on pushing an agenda of hatred against anyone who won’t fully accept them and their lifestyle choices.
            So I suggest you shove your prejudice back in the drawer and address the issues of these articles. In this particular case about why a man should lose his job for merely expressing HIS opinion in the open. Since when do people not have the right to speak their mind without losing their job? No matter what that opinion is.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Except we’re not allowed to be partakers of the public forum anymore. We’re not allowed to have religious beliefs while owning a business. We’re not allowed to express an open opinion without losing our jobs.”

            Oh, please. Spare me the hyperbole and false persecution complex.

            “are just as adamant about wanting to love them and treat them like anyone else.”

            So you support the legality of two citizens of the same gender being allowed to marry? Or do you not fall into the group you described?

            “In this particular case about why a man should lose his job for merely expressing HIS opinion in the open. Since when do people not have the right to speak their mind without losing their job? No matter what that opinion is.”

            Hmmmmm….since forever. You don’t actually think that people are allowed to say whatever they care to at work and be free of consequences, do you? Where in the world would you have come up with that?

          • Beartx

            Yet here you are spewing your hatred in a public forum, and no one is stopping you.

          • jmichael39

            And why don’t you show me what ‘hatred’ I’ve “spewed’, Bear? Its a common tactic of the ignorant and illogical to make wild accusations. WHy don’t you take a chance and stand above the crowd and show me what hatred I’ve spewed?

          • jmichael39

            As I suspected, quick to accuse but slow to prove.

          • Spoob

            What I’d like to know is why it’s SO hard for some of you to “practice your faith” in a way that doesn’t denigrate other people. These “religious beliefs” for some reason, and I’m not talking about all Christians, but the evangelical breed, always seem to attack those who have the right to believe differently than they do.

            So you’re NOT one of the crop that hates homosexuals? Why, then, aren’t you acting as a proper Christian and speaking up for them? These “opinions” as you call them are hurting people, making them commit suicide, making them feel worthless. As Christians you should be better than that. And by that, I don’t mean insisting they change because I think you know that isn’t possible for them.

          • jmichael39

            denigrating? Such as calling sin “sin”? There’s nothing denigrating about identifying something that stands between a person and God and wanting to see it gone. The entirety of Christ’s death and resurrection is all about identifying and dealing with sin as sin.

            You have a lot of nerve complaining about Christians being intolerant of others’ beliefs. We’re not walking around beheading people for their religious beliefs. We’re not trying to create a global caliphate. We know our God’s kingdom is not of this world. We know He establish a new heaven and a new earth for us.

            You have the wrong impression about most Christians’ views of homosexuals based upon a few loud clanging noisy ones. Most believe very much as I do. You’re beating your chest for no reason. It is not about hate to call sin “sin”. Its purely about love…the love of God’s provision for defeating sin.

            What the heck do you know about acting like a “proper Christian”? You can’t even bring yourself to accept that homosexual behavior is a sin and Christ died to free us of it….just like He died to free us of every sin. You don’t have a clue what I say to my brothers and sisters in Christ about homosexuality. I take it very seriously when the Bible encourages us to confront our brethren in private first when they are doing something we think may be wrong. I do that all the time to my brethren. I don’t air my ‘family’s’ dirty laundry…when I can help it. I save my public conversations for dealing with people like you who have no interest in seeing sin obliterated, but would rather accept people’s decent into the pits of hell just so you don’t come across as being hateful for calling sin what it is.

          • TheMatrixHasU

            Homosexuals aren’t trying to take your rights away.
            That’s a load of crap bcz they bloody well ARE

          • Neutral

            Lie. Lie. NO ONE is calling for gays deaths.

          • Spoob

            You’re obviously new here, and haven’t met Gary yet.

          • TheMatrixHasU

            Spoob where are you getting this crackpot idea that some Christian want to see gays killed?
            And perfect Christian…man you really are blind; you see only what you want to see and I (and I am sure other here have too) have said being saved in Christ DOESNT MAKE US PERFECT it makes us forgiven sinners. Gays too can be forgiven and saved but they must first, no exeptions, cease their sinful lifestyle and accept Christ as their Lord and Saviour

          • Spoob

            From the resident crackpot of course…haven’t you talked to Gary? He wants to see homosexuals killed.

        • TheMatrixHasU

          JMichael

          You…

          being homosexual is not illegal” – Neither is being Christian, nor having an opinion contrary to you

          Actually being Christian is becoming illegal in Canada and the US as Christian persecution is beginning to ramp up even in the West.

      • TheMatrixHasU

        Spoob have you ever tried reading the bible?
        We love you as a gay person we don’t hate you in any way.
        But having said that however it DOESNT TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT that though homosexuality isn’t illegal under man’s law IT IS UNDER GOD’S.
        Have you ever read any references to Sodom/Sodomites?
        Or romans 1:26-28?
        Or 1 Corinthians 6:9, the refs to ‘effeminate’ or ‘abusers of themselves with mankind’?
        WE DIDNT SAY IT, We sinful creatures didn’t make that up. God did. God said it.
        And please do not throw the usual “do not judge” defense in my face because people love to take that completely out of context, for lack of a better way to put it.
        “Do not judge” in its proper context means Do not condemn for that is what the word means in Greek.
        We do not condemn you. We do not hate you. Because we are all sinners worthy of death. BEING SAVED MAKES US FORGIVEN, NOT PERFECT.
        But that doesn’t take away from the fact the homosexuality/lesbianism/transgenderism is an evil in God’s eyes. Not liking that fact isn’t going to make it go away.
        And those amongst us sinners who are saved in Christ are all called to warn unrepentant sinners, gays or otherwise, to repent and change their ways or they will face the judgement of Christ

        • Spoob

          I know the Bible very well.
          I’m not a gay person. I simply support them and defend them from their vilification by the Christian ultra-right.
          We live in a democracy, not a theocracy, therefore your interpretation of homosexuality being against God is not valid.
          The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was inhospitality, not homosexuality.
          There are many old testament laws that were forgiven, such as eating shellfish and mixing textiles. If you are going to say those were forgiven, why are you also unwilling to forgive homosexuality?
          Did you know the word “homosexuality” did not exist until 1869? What then do you think was being discussed in the passages you insist were about homosexuality?
          Since you mentioned judging, what about judge not, lest ye be judged? What about let he who is without sin cast the first stone? What about the log in your eye?
          You cannot be saved in this lifetime, you must die first, therefore it is inaccurate to call yourself “saved” right now.

          • http://www.stebbinscycles.info leighstebbins

            In other words Spoob you condone these sinful Acts. I feel sory for you Spoob because in the Day we stand before the Judgment Bar of Christ all these Good People on this Forum will stand as Witnesses before Christ to your Condoning of these Sinful and Immoral Acts hoping that Christ will not only be just but merciful onto you, because as our Brother we love you, but cannot lie unto Christ. You have the chance while in the Flesh to Repent of your acceptance of these Sinful Acts. I beg of you as your Brother don’t leave it until it is everlastingly too late. I am not perfect myself and I have a lot to repent of and Repentance is a Day to Day Thing, but I know the Sinfulness of the Acts of Homosexuality and other Immoral Acts. As your Brother and as we are all Commanded to be our Brother’s Keeper, I am mindful of your rebbellion from God and for your own sake I pray that you will come to your Senses and Condem what Sins God Condems and you will Repent and also call upon all fellow Sinners to Repent and accept the Invitation of Christ for all Men to come unto Him and accept Him as their Lord and Saviour. We are to Love all Sinners and separate them from their Sins without accepting their Sins. So Spoob are we being hateful as you accuse or are we not being Loving in calling all men to Repentance and the Salvation of God. I sincerely Pray that there will be no Empty Seats in Zion and in Heaven.

  • Adrian

    Yeah. Being anti-gay is just not acceptable in what used to be called “polite society.”

  • dark477

    He was fired for going on a homophobic rant.

    • Gary

      And what is wrong with that?

      • dark477

        Do you have a problem with someone going on a racist or anti-semitic rant?

        • Gary

          Not the same thing. Race is not a matter of morality.

          • dark477

            yeah it is. bigoted opinions have no place in the workplace.

          • Gary

            No, it isn’t. Being bigoted against perversion is a very good thing. You are immoral.

          • dark477

            I’m the norm these days you’re considered the immoral one.

          • Gary

            That demonstrates how perverted and immoral society has become. Judgment from God is coming soon.

          • Gary

            And Ford was bigoted against the man for being against homosexuality.

          • dark477

            He should learn that opinions can have consequences. you can’t say whatever you wan’t and expect nothing to happen.

          • Gary

            Neither can you. God is gong to punish you. And there is nothing you can do to stop that.

          • Spoob

            You are not God, Gary.

          • Gary

            No kidding. But I know who God is going to punish.

          • The Last Trump

            That’s right Gary.
            Spoob is. Remember?
            He keeps “correcting” God’s mistakes and filling all of us Fundies in on the “real” gospel.
            Silly Christian God! Making all of those mistakes.
            Thank heavens Spoob is here to REVERSE everything God has said.

          • Spoob

            I’m not pretending to be God, Trumpy. I’m not telling people what to do. You are. Stop clouding the issue and muddying the water. I’m not correcting God’s mistakes. Just pointing out yours. And you have so many.

          • The Last Trump

            Thanks “god”. Always nice to hear from you.
            About how wrong we all are for following “YOUR” Word. Not pretending is right. He really THINKS he IS God! What a clown.
            Re-read your own posts, Apostate. Telling other people how wrong and hate filled they all are IS ALL YOU DO HERE. Not fooling anybody “Christian”.

          • Spoob

            Nice one, “Twister”. You just keep telling homosexuals what to do (or not to do) and we’ll see who is the one playing God.

          • The Last Trump

            Yes, “lord”.
            Please forgive me….for….um….following YOUR word!?
            It won’t happen again. Oops! I just did it again, didn’t I?
            (Damn this is hard…)
            I will!….wait…..no. I won’t!?
            Umm….damn.

          • Spoob

            It won’t happen again, eh? I give you less than 24 hours. You are addicted to hate.

          • The Last Trump

            You give me 24 hours? To live?!
            Oh please don’t smite me, mighty smiter!
            I will cure my addiction to Spoob, I mean “hate”.
            Bye Spoob! I have to stay away from you.
            I can’t listen to your incoherent and intolerant ramblings anymore.
            The “god” of this forum (blech – just threw up again in my mouth) is testing me.

          • Spoob

            No, Trumpy. I gave you 24 hours before you lied again. Congratulations on beating that by 23 hours. Not surprised you are throwing up, when you have to eat your own words as often as you do…

          • James Grimes

            Spoob can’t even pull the log out of his own eye and he criticizes and insults Christians! Not only has he been a liar, he is arrogant.

          • Spoob

            What a surprise, Grimy, addressing me the coward’s way, to all your little friends instead of to my face.

          • The Last Trump

            Spoob to Pax2u TODAY:

            “Trumpy and his rope, eh? And his hood, and white sheet?”

            “Gary is getting raked over the coals here. Which is nice but Grimes, Trumpy and Fundisi deserve to as well.”

            Spoob 2 days ago to Pax2u:

            “Grimy re-edited his post above in the hopes that none of his “fans” would see it and respond to him. Have a look.”

            Will your hypocrisy never end? As always, your conduct here is shameful and misleading. “Christian”.

          • Spoob

            Grimes Against Humanity is just getting a taste of his own medicine, Trumpy. He will survive.

          • pax2u

            did you hear that Gary has decided that Homosexuals should not be executed but should have a civil penalty? so is the civil penalty, the monetary fine of $1.00 payable to the Klan?

          • The Last Trump

            How very sad that Pax2u has come forward to publically support LGBT groups with EVERY post. Before Almighty God Pax has renounced his “Christianity” and taken his stand with those who despise God and the Bible. May God have mercy on the immortal soul of the apostate Pax2u.

            Very sad to see Pax. 🙁

          • pax2u

            so Gary does not understand the difference between a civil penalty and a criminal penalty

            so Gary wants the Government to just fine homosexuals, is the fine payable to your Klan?

          • dark477

            I’m shaking

          • Gary

            If you were not a fool, you would be scared. But there will be plenty of time for your fear.

          • pax2u

            watch out gary will put you on his execution list

          • jmichael39

            Then don’t EVER express your views about Christians in the work place. Oh, wait, you don’t actually see your views on Christians as bigotry. Why is that again?

  • Spoob

    “Endorsing and promoting sodomy is of benefit to no one,” he wrote. “This topic is disruptive to the workplace and is an assault on Christians and morality, as well as antithetical to our design and our survival. Immoral sexual conduct should not be a topic for an automotive manufacturer to endorse or promote.”

    First problem – why are you calling it “sodomy”? If your issue is homosexuality, why are you using a word that describes a sexual practice that is done by more straight people than gay people?

    Second problem – a gay couple living a private life doesn’t disrupt your workplace OR the “morality” of most normal people.

    Third problem – homosexuality is not “immoral sexual conduct” and if that is what your church teaches you, you have no business bringing it into your workplace.

    Fire you? I hope they fine you as well.

    • Gary

      According to the Bible, homosexuality IS immoral sexual conduct. Since it is God who condemns homosexuals, why don’t you ever reprove Him in your comments? It was God who commanded capital punishment for those convicted of homosexual behavior. Why don’t you criticize God for that?

      • Spoob

        God can’t have thought too much of it Gary since it didn’t make His top ten list. I see a lot more people dishonouring their mothers and fathers, though, so why aren’t you out fighting against that one, which IS in the Ten Commandments? Picking and choosing?

        • Gary

          If it isn’t one of the 10 Commandments, then it isn’t a sin? LOL.

          • Spoob

            Even if it was (and it’s not), there are far more people breaking the Ten Commandments, and you never mention that even once. Why is that?

          • Gary

            Some people just refuse to face reality. You are one. But, reality is going to be forced on you soon. You won’t be able to ignore it then.

          • Spoob

            More of your paranoid revenge fantasy. I am not interested.

          • Gary

            Does not matter if you are interested. It will happen anyway.

          • Spoob

            No it won’t, lunatic.

          • Gary

            You think God is going to let you mock Him and encourage people to sin and get away with it? That’s more of your refusal to accept reality.

          • Spoob

            I’m not mocking God, Gary, I am mocking you. And I’m not encouraging anyone to sin.

          • Gary

            Of course you are mocking God and encouraging people to sin. You would know that if you read and believed the Bible.

          • Spoob

            I am mocking your ridiculous beliefs and murderous bloodlust which has nothing to do with God. You should be ashamed of yourself.

          • Gary

            The only logical conclusion is that you refuse to believe the Bible, and your claim that you are a “Christian” is a lie. Why you would want to lie and claim you are what you clearly are not is puzzling, but your hypocrisy is obvious to Christians.

          • Spoob

            I believe the Bible. I don’t believe you. You are the liar. And you don’t speak for Christians, just a couple of fundie bigots.

          • Gary

            You DO NOT believe the Bible. I showed you scriptures that destroy your argument and you ignore them.
            Every Christian is a fundamentalist because they all believe the Bible.

          • Spoob

            Scripture alone, especially in your hands, means nothing. You do not apply context, common sense, or any of the other things required to read it responsibly. Your scripture has been corrupted by your own hatred.

          • Gary

            Since the Bible was written Christians have understood marriage to be the union of a man and a woman, and understood that homosexuality is sin. They have applied context, and common sense. I have never talked to a Christian who did not see it just as I have stated it. Every pastor I have ever had has seen it the same way I do.

          • Spoob

            Well, you need to stop talking to fundamentalist jerks.

          • Gary

            Every Christian is a fundamentalist.

          • Spoob

            Not even close.

          • Gary

            Once again, you show your ignorance of Christianity.

          • Spoob

            Catholics make up the bulk of Christians on earth at over 1 billion and they are not fundamentalists (thank God).

    • pax2u

      it is sad those who hold to the legalism of the old covenant,

      Hebrews 8:13

      When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

      I am surprised that the do not want to put to death those who also break the Sabbath

      • Oboehner

        The pope said it’s ok to ignore God’s law.

        • Spoob

          No, right-wing bigots don’t have the authority to put words in God’s mouth. Nor the pope’s. Try again.

          • pax2u

            will Gary, and his hate Klan add those who do not observe the Old Testament Saturday Sabbath to his execution list?

            Exodus 31:14

            14’Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people

            what about those who eat North Carolina pork BBQ?

        • pax2u

          can you provide the direct quote from the Pope where he said that God’s law can be ignored. A direct quote, otherwise your statement is just a lie

          • Oboehner

            “The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ.” “The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ.” Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris’ Ecclesiastical Dictionary.

          • pax2u

            The Calender was changed, and Christians celebrate Sunday Sabbath, is that what your Seventh Day Adventist Church is against?

            can you provide the direct quote from the Pope where he said that God’s law can be ignored. A direct quote, otherwise your statement is just a lie

          • Oboehner

            Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and think to change TIMES and LAWS; and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

            Sorry, I’m not SDA, I will forgive you for your false witness.
            Church doctrine stating the pope can change God’s law is not enough for you?

            “The Pope is of great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine laws… The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth.” -Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Ribliotheca, “Papa,” art. 2, translated.

          • pax2u

            and I forgive you your hatred and anger,
            I pray that the Christian God Jesus Christ will also forgive you, amen

            you said that Pope Francis made a statement, please post it

          • Oboehner

            and I forgive you your hatred and anger,
            I pray that the Christian God Jesus Christ will also forgive you, amen

            you claim that I specifically said Pope Francis made a statement, please post it

          • Spoob

            Hatred and anger? Care to regale us with a few of your tasteful expressions for gay and lesbian people you were so freely spouting the other day, or have you turned pious?

          • Oboehner

            You mean those who CHOOSE the deviant lifestyle?

          • Spoob

            When did you choose to be straight?

          • Oboehner

            At a young age.

          • Spoob

            No one makes a choice. No one.

          • Oboehner

            They better apologize to the woman and her dog, and all of those poor pedophiles that get harassed.

          • Spoob

            What woman dog and pedophiles are we suddenly talking about now?

          • Oboehner

            Use your computer, there is a multitude of instances of human-animal sexual contact. Those poor people were born that way yet they were criminally charged. The same thing goes for pedophiles, they had to be born that way as well right?

          • Spoob

            And your point is what? You think homosexuals are standing up for anyone’s right to abuse animals and children? You still can’t quite grasp this whole “consenting adults” thing, can you? Just keep making the slippery slope arguments that make logicians roll their eyes.

          • Oboehner

            How can you hate on one group who is born that way, yet defend another?

          • Spoob

            I can’t believe you’re still having trouble with this. Because one is inflicting abuse to an unwilling party and the other is consensual.

          • Oboehner

            That is merely the outcome, you are forgetting the base perversion which you claim they are born with. Besides, maybe to dog enjoyed it and that was consensual.

          • Spoob

            Once again, you are saying the “born that way” argument is mine and it’s not. It’s yours. And a dog can’t consent, that’s not just the law but common sense.

  • concern00

    The Truth will always be anathema to those living in darkness.

  • Jeff_Selbst

    Oh you people. The man said “homosexuality leads to death”. Listen, we all die, but being homosexual doesn’t hasten it for anyone. And yes, friends, that’s hating. Not “expressing religious values”. It’s hating, pure and simple. Ford has the right not to want to employ people that ugly.

    • Fundisi

      Okay gay Jeff – they are talking about spiritual death, everlasting separation from God.

    • Gary

      Don’t homosexuals have a shorter life expectancy than heterosexuals? But that is a good thing.
      Ford’s actions are hate against Christians. But you have no problem with that, do you?

      • Spoob

        Homosexuals have a shorter life expectancy than heterosexuals? Is that because of people like you killing them or driving them to suicide with your hate?

    • pax2u

      watch out Gary wants the Government to Execute homosexuals, and some Catholics

      • Oboehner

        You hate Gary, we’ll pray for you.

        • pax2u

          I hate ignorance, arrogance and bigotry, do you approve of Gary’s wish that the Government execute homosexuals and some Catholics?

          • Gary

            Then you must hate yourself. And the pope.

          • pax2u

            Gary you have exposed yourself as a crazy hate filled fascist who wants the government to execute Homosexuals, some Catholics and ME, it really is scary that some like you has a gun,

            I will pray to my Christian God, Jesus Christ for your eternal soul, may God have mercy on you, amen

          • Gary

            Why don’t you be honest? Are you capable of honesty? Since God told Moses to execute those who engage in homosexual behavior, why don’t you say that God was wrong? It is obvious to everyone that you believe God was wrong to issue that command. It is obvious that you believe God was wrong to even object to homosexual behavior. Do you have any integrity?

          • pax2u

            Gary did you say that you want the Government to execute me?

            be honest, or I will be glad to post your comments

          • Gary

            Well, it is obvious that you will not admit what you really believe and instead you would rather pretend you believe what you really don’t.

          • pax2u

            should the Government execute Sunday Sabbath keeping Baptists?

          • pax2u

            pax2u Gary • 11 hours ago

            Gary, you have said that you want the Government to execute homosexuals and some Catholics, have you added any others to your liquidation list?

            Gary pax2u • 7 hours ago

            You are one of the catholics.

            pax2u Gary • 6 minutes ago

            well Gary, so now you want me to be executed,

          • pax2u

            Gary should those who do not observe the Sabbath be executed also, are you going to add them to you kill list?

            Exodus 31:14

            14’Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people

          • Oboehner

            I don’t approve that you hate Gary and wish the Jesuits would kill him.

          • pax2u

            Have I ever said that I wish that the Jesuits would kill Gary or anyone else

            or is this just another of your insane lies? seek mental health care

          • Oboehner

            You hate Gary, if you hate, you have murdered in your heart.

          • pax2u

            I hate bigotry

            I forgive Gary

            Gary wants the Government to execute Me

            pax2u Gary • 11 hours ago

            Gary, you have said that you want the Government to execute homosexuals and some Catholics, have you added any others to your liquidation list?

            Gary pax2u • 7 hours ago

            You are one of the catholics.

            pax2u Gary • 6 minutes ago

            well Gary, so now you want me to be executed,

          • Oboehner

            Maybe Gary can forgive your hate.

          • Spoob

            Who forgives yours?

          • Oboehner

            Who forgives yours? The former virgin?

          • Spoob

            I don’t hate, merely challenge those who do, such as yourself.

          • Oboehner

            “Only the stupid ones.”

          • Spoob

            Precisely.

          • Oboehner

            There’s that hate you deny.

          • Spoob

            There are stupid Christians out there, you know that as well as I do. The ones who attack homosexuals, accuse Catholics of worshipping rocks, Mary and the Pope, and burn crosses.

          • Oboehner

            You attack pedos and “animal lovers”, oh hypocrite – if one pervert is born that way, they are ALL born that way. I don’t recall anyone saying people were worshiping rocks, you must have made that up, I said I have personally witnessed marians worshiping their mary idols.

          • Spoob

            Yep, how totally like a fundamentalist to tar all with the same brush. Never mind the fact that no one’s arguing the “born that way” angle but yourself. If your brain tells you that someone like an animal or small child is being abused that it’s clearly not OK, what more do you need to know?

            I’ve witnessed fundies who wave snakes. Therefore they all wave snakes. That is your logic at work.

          • Oboehner

            Perversion is perversion, you can’t have it both ways. But I can see God’s law means nothing to you marians, how many pedo priests has the church covered up? If “snake waving” is a “fundie” attribute, then with YOUR logic pedophilia must be a catholic one.

          • Spoob

            And the fundie hate machine rolls on, without a single shred of facts to back it up (which has never stopped it in the past).

            Perversion is perversion, right. Not trying to have it both ways, just giving words their correct definitions, something you aren’t terribly troubled to do. You just had your total lack of logic smashed in a million pieces, you don’t understand consent, you don’t understand abuse, and you try to pin a “born that way” argument on me which is never an argument I made. And so you upend the game board and say “perversion is perversion”. Great logic, that. Especially with some wild out of the blue one-upmanship story about following God’s word. Sure you do. When it’s convenient.

            And lest you get too comfortable in your ivory tower, statistically fundamentalists are more likely to abuse children than anyone else. Here’s a website you might like to peruse:

            http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org

          • Oboehner

            So if perversion is consensual it has to be accepted? How do you know the dog wasn’t consenting? Do you speak for the dog now dog-whisperer?

            “You just had your total lack of logic smashed in a million pieces” Ah, no.
            The instances of Baptist abuse pale in comparison to that of marians – including the cover-ups.

          • Spoob

            Homosexuality isn’t perversion just because you say it is. Are you a snake waver just because people say you are?

            It doesn’t matter that we don’t know the dog wasn’t consenting, the law makes the distinction between animals and human beings. If you really want to have it off with your dog and you’re quite sure the dog is OK with it, they’ll still throw you in jail if you do it. Not that we have people lining up for the rights to have intercourse with their pets.

            Do you have stats to show how many Marians are guilty of child abuse? How about Catholics? How about Baptists and other fundies? No?

            Well proportionally there are far more Catholics than other denominations, so the number of abuses is bound to be great. Proportionally, however, the fundies are far more guilty of child abuse than anyone else.

          • Oboehner

            Sodomy is a perversion because God said it is. Before being scrubbed by homo-activists, it was a known mental disorder.
            A discriminatory law, people who engage in that activity with animals are every bit as “born that way” as queers are.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_by_country
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

            So what you are trying to tell me is that as long as some other group abuses children that excuses the RCC and its cover-ups? Shipping known offenders to other churches to offend again? We had one locally who offended, all the RCC did was let him retire (who knows how many years he abused people) then upon his death he was given a full on catholic burial with all of the pomp and circumstance mumbo jumbo the RCC does.
            Catholic priests are not allowed to marry so they have pent-up sexual energy that’s looking for an outlet, so couple that with their lack of biblical belief, I’m quite certain the number is dis-proportionally high.

          • Spoob

            “Because God said so” doesn’t fly. And how are you defining “sodomy” anyway? You surely are aware that it is practiced mostly by straight couples? But if you’re just using it as the most hateful word you can find under the circumstances and are trying to make it mean “homosexual,” you’re still way off base. I never claimed them to be “born that way,” the fact is we don’t know when homosexuality takes shape, but it doesn’t matter as long as they are happy and no one is being hurt. Which they’re not.
            I’m not excusing the abused children from ANY group. But you are being dishonest. The RCC doesn’t condone child abuse, it horrifies them as much as it does anyone else. But when you have a few sick individuals hiding in an organization – and that’s ANY organization, not just the RCC – they are the exception, and you’re trying to make it sound like they are the norm. And that’s just lack of education on your part.
            Your bit about Catholic priests having pent-up sexual energy from not being allowed to marry is just garbage. If that were the case, you wouldn’t be seeing incidences of child abuse in other faiths where the pastors ARE allowed to marry.

          • Oboehner

            “‘Because God said so’ doesn’t fly.” That’s right you’re a marian, it only counts if the pope says so. I don’t care what’s practiced by straight couples, I don’t condone that nor do the straight couples push their perversion on others demanding they accept it.
            “…no one is being hurt. Which they’re not.” They are recruiting our children, forcing people to accept it, shoving it in our face all over the media, attacking those who oppose it, and you can say no one is getting hurt? More BS.
            “The RCC doesn’t condone child abuse…” They just cover it up, horrified my @$$.

            “Your bit about Catholic priests having pent-up sexual energy from not being allowed to marry is just garbage. If that were the case, you wouldn’t be seeing incidences of child abuse in other faiths where the pastors ARE allowed to marry.” That is why the disproportional amount in the RCC, that and the sheep blindly following the RCC leadership, a bling following that probably causes much abuse to go unreported.

          • Spoob

            Well, when a fundie says “because God said so” what they are really saying is “because I said so.” It’s really got nothing to do with the Pope or Mary, it’s just obnoxiousness borne of wearing your white hood and sheet.

            And you’re clearly SO well read on the subject of homosexuality that you cannot distinguish it from sodomy. VERY interesting. Especially considering that half the homosexual population are lesbians – gonna tell me they engage in sodomy? Gonna try to tell me that ALL gay men do it? And that they’re demanding acceptance of it? No, they’re demanding the acceptance of them as human beings who have the right to fall in love as much as anyone else, and when I say love I mean “love’ and not all your twisted and disgusting sexual ideas – wherever you get THOSE from.

            Would sure love to read one single story in the media about homosexuals recruiting anyone at all, never mind children.

            Oh, the abuse in the churches is disproportional, all right. You fundies lead the pack in terms of kiddie-fiddling.

          • Oboehner

            “Well, when a fundie says ‘because God said so’ what they are really saying is ‘because I said so.'” “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” I didn’t say that sorry, perhaps you may wish to study some.
            “it’s just obnoxiousness borne of wearing your white hood and sheet.” Nice asinine statement, just because I think coprophiliacs are disgusting, now I’m some kind of racist? How droll, a sexual deviance is not a race.
            “Gonna try to tell me that ALL gay men do it?” I would have to say yes, next your going to question whether all gay men like other men.
            “when I say love I mean “love’ and not all your twisted and disgusting sexual ideas” The sick twisted disgusting sexual ideas aren’t mine – it their perversion.

            “Would sure love to read one single story in the media about homosexuals recruiting anyone at all, never mind children.”
            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/24/las-vegas-schools-consider-teaching-kindergartners/
            http://www.massresistance.org/media/video/brainwashing.html

            “You fundies lead the pack in terms of kiddie-fiddling.” Even more BS, but that excuses priests who do the alter boys right?

          • Spoob

            Yep, well we have discussed all those old testament laws to death by now. Unless you want to tell me you don’t eat shellfish or wear mixed textiles, then you haven’t got a leg to stand on.

            Coprophiliacs. Lovely. So when you haven’t got facts to back you up, you go for base level derogatory garbage that talks entirely about sexual practices (largely imagined by you) and completely ignores the thing you take for granted with straight people, which is that they are in love. Dishonest, disgusting and vulgar. I think it’s been pointed out to you a few times that sodomy is a straight practice as well, so are they not also coprophiliacs?

            The internet is your friend, but you have to open your mind a little bit. So when you look at a factual website about homosexuality that tells you that MANY gay men don’t partake of sodomy, maybe you should say “oh I didn’t know that” rather than assume it’s lying to you as part of a bigger homosexual agenda.

            “The sick twisted disgusting sexual ideas aren’t mine – it their perversion.”

            Oh – you mean being in love is a perversion? And straight people don’t get up to disgusting sexual ideas also?

            “Would sure love to read one single story in the media about homosexuals recruiting anyone at all, never mind children.”
            http://www.washingtontimes.com
            http://www.massresistance.org/

            See? Told you you couldn’t. These stories have nothing to do with homosexuals.

            “You fundies lead the pack in terms of kiddie-fiddling.” Even more BS, but that excuses priests who do the alter boys right?”

            Never said it did. Just exposes more of your hypocrisy and shows you fundies harbor just as many sickos.

          • Spoob

            And you have murdered homosexuals in your heart.

          • Oboehner

            and you have murdered Christians in yours.

          • Spoob

            Only the stupid ones.

  • http://whoper.com Lil Nephew

    There was nothing remotely respectful about that mail.

  • http://whoper.com Lil Nephew

    Let’s just get one thing straight (so to speak) referring to ‘sodomy’ in relation to gay people is now up there with using the n-word about black people, or ‘whore’ about women.

  • MEP1101

    REVELATION 13: 17 “THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BUY OR SELL WITHOUT THE MARK OF THE WILD BEAST.”

    • Oboehner

      Wild?

  • http://whoper.com Lil Nephew

    So if a Muslim worked for Ford, and he wrote an e-mail denouncing women who come to work as ‘whores’ who dress immodestly, and then he was fired, that would be religious discrimination, right?

  • Gary

    $1,000 cash reward to anyone who can prove from the New Testament, that homosexuality is moral and endorsed by God.

    • Taussig

      $1000 cash reward for anyone who proves the existence of your omnipotent sky papa.

      • Gary

        Me, you, the universe, and all living things are proof of God’s existence. If God had not made the universe, and life, none of it would exist. Now you owe me $1,000. Are you going to pay me, or are you a liar?

        • http://whoper.com Lil Nephew

          Just pitiful. How can you prove it wasn’t Zeus, or Ra, or a giant frog?

          • Gary

            I don’t have to prove it wasn’t one of them, you have to prove it was one of them. There is lots of evidence that the God of the Bible is real. But you have to believe the evidence.

    • Gary

      What? No takers?

      • The Last Trump

        Spoob: “…cricket…cricket…cricket…”

        • Spoob

          Trumpy: “…hate…hate…hate…”

      • Spoob

        I don’t play those games. Look up Argument from Silence.

  • TheBBP

    In the article about Christian businesses wanting the right to not be forced to hire people who are not active and professing Christians we hear “THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO DISCRIMINATE!!!”

    In this article we hear “FORD SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DISCRIMINATE!!!”

    That’s how liberal ideology works.

  • thoughtsfromflorida

    “‘Even if you are respectful”

    “as well as antithetical to our design and our survival.” and “homosexual behavior leads to death,” really wouldn’t be counted in the “respectful” category, nor are they statements of religious belief.

  • TheMatrixHasU

    What annoys me too is that no matter what we say as Christians we can never get it across to unbelievers that WE DONT HATE GAY PEOPLE. Only the lifestyle, not the person. we are called to love our neighbors as ourselves, and that means everyone; but that doesn’t mean that we must tolerate sin

  • k. russ

    This will make a good sermon next Sunday about a Christian & Ford!

  • TheMatrixHasU

    Guys no matter what we say or so nothing but God directly is going to get through to Spoob. Ignore him. He doesn’t want to hear the truth. He will be judged by Christ for his hatred of God’s word and there will be no place in heaven for him unless he does repent. We have done all we can. Leave him be. I am done with this hater

  • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

    SEARS (a division within SEARS) did the same to me for having Chick.com comics/tracts on my own desk. A filthy femcunt manager persecuted me for having these items on my desk. I was fired for refusing to remove/hide them.

    That location of SEARS was ultimately torn down. HalleluYah!

    Oh, and that manager? She lost her husband to her own sister. He left Mary Bailey and shacked up with her sister! LOL! Can you say JUDGMENT???

    • Magister_militum_praesentalis

      Is this a parody account?

  • Rev Donald Spitz

    Homosexuals should not be allowed to promote their sexual deviancy in the workplace. It is harassment to Christians.

  • Ohso

    Pander or Perish = the ‘gospel’ of the Gaystapo