Obama’s Comparison of Islamic Terrorism to the Crusades Receiving Heavy Backlash

 

CrusadesIn response to Barack Obama’s recent comments asserting that Christians are just as guilty for violence committed in the name of Christ as Muslims are for committing terrorism in the name of Mohammad, a number of prominent leaders are speaking out against the president’s remarks as being an improper comparison.

“Jesus taught peace, love and forgiveness. He came to give His life for the sins of mankind, not to take life. Mohammad, on the contrary, was a warrior and killed many innocent people,” wrote Franklin Graham in a Facebook post. “True followers of Christ emulate Christ—true followers of Mohammed emulate Mohammed.”

As previously reported, during the National Prayer Breakfast held in Washington on Thursday, Barack Obama spoke against violence committed in the name of religion, and stated that Christians have been just as guilty as Muslims and other terror groups of this crime.

“It’s not unique to one group or one religion,” he said. “There is a tendency in us—a sinful tendency—that can pervert and distort our faith.”

“From a school in Pakistan to the streets of Paris, we have seen violence and terror perpetrated by those who profess to stand up for their faith—profess to stand up for Islam—but are in fact betraying it,” Obama outlined. “We see sectarian war in Syria, the murder of Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, religious war in the Central African Republic, a rising tide of anti-Semitism and hate crimes in Europe, so often perpetrated in the name of religion.”

But Obama stated that while America may look to other countries and religions as being shameful for committing violence in the name of their religion, he suggested that Christians had an oppressive and violent history themselves.

“Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,” he said. “In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”

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Obama’s comments quickly sparked a firestorm of controversy and many began to discuss the Crusades and what they were really about.

“I don’t think the president knows very much about the Crusades,” Thomas Madden, a professor and historian at the University of St. Louis, told ABC News.

“He seems to be casting them as an example of a distortion of Christianity and trying to compare that to what he sees as a distortion of Islam in the actions of ISIS,” he continued. “[But] the initial goal of the Crusades was to give back lands to Christians that been conquered due to Muslim conquests.”

Christianity Today also republished an article from Madden, who further explained that the Crusades—like the present—were a pushback in response to Muslim violence.

“[T]he Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars,” he wrote. “They were a direct response to Muslim aggression…”

“Pope Urban II called upon the knights of Christendom to push back the conquests of Islam at the Council of Clermont in 1095,” he explained. “The response was tremendous. Many thousands of warriors took the vow of the cross and prepared for war.”

“While Christians of today are taught to live their lives as the reflection of Christ’s love, the radicals of ISIS use their holy texts as a rationale for violence,” said former presidential candidate Rick Santorum, a Roman Catholic. “To insinuate modern Christians—the same Christian faith that led the abolitionist movement, the Civil Rights Movement, and global charitable efforts fighting disease and poverty—cannot stand up against the scourge we see in the Middle East is wrong.”

Bishop E.W. Jackson, the evangelical founder of StandAmerica and former political candidate, chastised Obama’s comparison as well. He said that the president’s remarks in essence gave ammunition to jihadists.

“I have a message for the president with all due respect to him and to the office: Mr. President, if you don’t want to give terrorists a recruitment’s tool, instead of closing Guantanamo Bay, frankly sir, you ought to close your mouth. Because you just gave them a gigantic propaganda tool,” Jackson stated. “They called us ‘crusaders’ and you just confirmed it.”

“Mr. President, we’re not on our ‘high horse.’ What we are is on high alert,” he continued. “And the American people would like for once, to know that you are willing to defend Christianity and defend America instead of defending Islam.”


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  • Fundisi

    When anyone claiming the Christian faith acts out violently, they can find no support in the life and words of Christ or the New Testament for such violence. When a Muslim acts out violently, they are acting in harmony with the life/words of Mohammad and their falsely called holy books, which are filled with commands to force conversions by infidels and force Muslims to submit to Allah. Muslim are called to steal, torture and even murder anyone that defies Allah. That is the difference.

    • tyler

      what about the old testament, all of which jesus completely supported? God supported and even commanded murder and genocide dozens of times. in the new testament, please explain what jesus meant when he said ‘i come not to bring peace but a sword’. i’m sure you’ll have an extremely long-winded and confusing reply to that one…

      • Fundisi

        As you are of the spirit of the anti-Christ, I will not waste my time with you. I will not cast pearls of Divine Wisdom to swine or give spiritual food to dogs, I will not engage a fool.

        • tyler

          I thought Christians were supposed to be kind to everybody?
          All I see from you is an uppity, entitled anger towards other.
          If you could imagine a perfect christian being christian-ly, it would definitely not be you, with your insulting, degrading tone.
          The point is, get off your high horse trying to explain how your religion is better than others.
          For the record, they all stink.

          In conclusion, I’d suggest saying sorry to your God for being such a jerk.

          have a great day!

          • John

            Perhaps a reading of Genesis 15:16 and Leviticus 18-20 would help shed some light on this for you. Then again it might not.

            God gave the people of Canaan
            400 years to repent. They were vile, sadistic, child-sacrificing, etc.
            There was no hope of reforming them, no more than reforming ISIS. There was only one way to deal with this. Governments make these decisions. Does God have the right to make such a decision? Drawing parallels between genocide of these Islamists is completely ridiculous.

          • Jean Adams

            1 Corinthians 1:18 The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are being destroyed. But it is the power of God for those of us who are being saved.

          • Phipps Mike

            Tyler, I get the same reaction by others in here that just hate that you see anything different than themselves, It gets so bad, one would think that they are Gods, themselves, in their own minds

      • J_CAS

        Hello Tyler,

        In order to avoid being long-winded on this thread, I’ll just post these links that you can peruse on your own time. Your question reveals that you are a thinking person, so certainly you will understand the importance of reading messages *in context*. It’s quite possible that you’ve never read the entire Bible in context as the entire story of where we came from, why we’re here, and where we’re going, and of the character of God. I encourage you to not cherry-pick certain events and passages and then use those as your basis of understanding.

        http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-sword.html

        http://www.gotquestions.org/God-killing.html

      • Harry Oh!

        You don’t understand the context of the mass murder committed in the old testament. It was about cleaning a bloodline that had been corrupted by something you wouldn’t understand. If you were interested in knowing the truth, you could do some investigating instead of hurling a few cherry picked written bombs for the pure sake of being provocative.

        • mjmiddleton1953

          Exactly. The Bible only hints at this in Gen 6:9. But it is huge. Some of the pseudepigrapha texts such as the “Book of Giants”, and the Book of Enoch (considered canonical by the Ethiopian Coptic church) provide much more detail…although those texts are not wholly reliable. But they do give a bit of a look into how the people of that day saw this whole issue.

          • Harry Oh!

            Yes, it is very huge and very relevant. Research `serpent seed`as well. Quite an eye opener.

          • mjmiddleton1953

            Thanks Harry. Will do so.

      • Gail Petersen

        Tyler…..”Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”..Matthew 10:34. This is only part of the conversation. What Jesus is telling in these verses is that conflict and disagreement is going to arise between those who follow Jesus and those who don’t. Our commitment to Jesus may separate us from friends and loved ones. He was not encouraging disobedience or conflict, He was just showing that His presence demands a decision. Because some will follow Jesus and some won’t, problems and conflicts will inevitably arise. I hope this helps you understand a little better. Matthew Chapter 10 will help even more. Have a wonderful day and God bless you.

      • Lauren Iversen-Budgen

        Tyler, the wars in the Old Testament were not wars of man but God’s wars and have such deeper meaning than the senseless murder we are seeing right now. Way too ugh to put in this response. In terms of Jesus saying that he brought a sword, he was not referring to an actual sword. He was referring to the “Word of God” . The most powerful weapon on Earth. I would encourage you to study the text and learn about the very specific and strategic history of the Lord’s wars. It’s actually really fascinating. God Bless.

        • Naked Truth

          For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Lauren, I really love your response. Thanks

      • Lauren Iversen-Budgen

        I also wanted to add one last thing, “Jesus also said that if you live by the sword you die by the sword”. I think that sums up his stance.

      • Saber27

        I think you will find that Jesus did not approve of everything in the Old Testament. Most of what is in the Old Testament is the Jews messing up and God correcting them. It’s mostly history. In fact he objected to allot of what was done. Also you will find that there is a verse in the old testament that asks that believers treat their neighbors as themselves. Jesus uses that quote from the old testament when he brings that up. The Ten Commandments mention nothing about torturing people or putting them to death. Additionally, the laws that were passed by men and their actions were usually men messing up. That is why the Jews ended up in Babylon or walking around aimlessly in the desert. Jesus pitched a fit when he found the merchants in the synagog but he didn’t kill anyone.

        • Jean Adams

          You say the Old Testament is about the Jews messing up. The 12 tribes split into 2 in the time of Soloman’s son, at that time only the tribe of Judah was Jewish. Benjamin joined with Judah to form The House of Judah. The ten tribes became The House of Israel and were never Jews. The House of Israel were captured by the Assyrians and would worship gods of wood and
          stone, so not worshiping as the Jews. The main tribe was Ephraim who had received the covenant from Jacob. Sometimes The Bible refers to The House of Israel and sometimes Ephraim. These 10 tribes are in the world today and are not Jews. They were in the Old Testament “messing up” along with the one tribe of Jews. Prophecy refers to all 12 tribes, not just the 2 tribes of Jews. After the valley of dried bones God will hold 2 sticks one for Ephraim and one for Judah and they will become one stick in his hand, obviously that’s when they join together again. Shortly afterwards they join Yeshua in the gathering at Armageddon. It’s incorrect to think that all of God’s CHOSEN people are Jews

      • jmichael39

        Anyone who understands the nature of the NEW Testament understands that the Law of the Old Testament, which was understood to be man’s vain attempts to please God with his actions, was fulfilled completely with Christ’s death on the cross. By Christ’s resurrection, we are afforded a new path to God’s grace through Christ. This path does not ‘require’ violence (though violence in the name of self-defense or the defense of others) is acceptable (though not preferable).

        • Phipps Mike

          “was fulfilled completely with Christ’s death on the cross”
          not really. The day of judgement is for God to exercise his wrath once again.

          • jmichael39

            God’s wrath only remains for those who reject the grace and mercy of His Son’s sacrifice on the cross. THAT is why we no longer are afforded the command to put anyone to death for their sins, but to give everyone every chance possible to repent. Of course, there is grace for defending ourselves and especially others from violence.

          • Phipps Mike

            nonetheless..Gods message is “do what I say or you will burn in hell forever”…very LOVING God…eh? creates us just to burn us because we dont do HIS will when HE gave us FREE will.

          • jmichael39

            typical Mike…still letting your hatred and bigotry make you impervious to intelligent thought. God could come to your living room, offer to suffer the penalty for your sins against Him Himself and you’d still think He was being cheap for not offering the wipe your butt before He does so.

          • Phipps Mike

            bigotry is when you desecrate an entire religion for the actions of a few. A LOT of bigots appear in this thread.

          • jmichael39

            And you’re one of the worst, Mike. Thank you for admitting it.

          • Phipps Mike

            look, I will spell it out for you. The majority of Christians in this thread are saying that ALL Islamic followers are violent. THAT is bigotry. I, on the other hand know that Christians are not ALL bad. So that is NOT bigotry.

          • jmichael39

            TOTAL BS….you couldn’t even BEGIN to prove that BS. As for YOU, you may “know” that but you sure as heck don’t behave that way on here. So spare us.

          • Phipps Mike

            spare you the truth? Read the comments in here and see how many people are doing exactly what I accuse them of. It is a FACT that anybody that accuses an entire religion or an entire race of doing a particular behavior, is being bigoted and or stereotypical.

          • jmichael39

            I read the comments…there are maybe THREE who are off their rocker. So what? I could show you a dozen whackos from your side of the bigotry…including YOU.

      • mjmiddleton1953

        Tyler, when Jesus affirmed the teachings of all the Law He was affirming the moral law, not the ceremonial laws (which are made obsolete through the sacrificial death and resurrection of Christ) and certainly not the military edicts given to the Israelite nation at the time when they entered the promised land. That was over 3000 years ago and for a specific time and purpose which is no longer relevant today. None of those verses are normative for us today in any literal sense. They relate to a social paradigm related to the nephilim (you have heard of Goliath?) which is something to which we in modern eras can hardly relate. And when Christ talked about bringing a “sword” He was clearly referring to spiritual warfare…..with the “sword of the Spirit”, which is the Word of God. On the other hand, the verses in the Koran which command violence and killing are from the “Medina era”. They are the more recent verses which abrogate the earlier, more peaceful verses which Muhammad gave during the “Mecca era”. This is called the Islamic doctrine of nasikh (or abrogation) and is accepted by virtually all schools of authoritative Islamic jurisprudence,

  • Theodore Worlock

    the bottom like is that as a christian or as a muslim we are suppose to follow the man and the book. Jesus and the bible, Mohammad and the Quran. Christianity is about a man hanging on a cross foregiving his enamies and teaching his followers. Mohammad was a very violant man, especially the last wight years of his life. Jues read the N.T. and the Quran and Hadeath. It a very different teaching. Mohamad married a nine year old girl, owned slaves, and beheaded eight hundred jews in Madena. ISIS is just following the example of their prophet.

  • The Last Trump

    Only “Christian” Obama could watch a man burned alive in a cage by Islam and somehow think to use it as opportunity to attack Christianity. What a moron. This guy isn’t fooling anybody.

    • Vk Lim

      repost

    • hapy_thoughts

      Not an attack. Just a fact

    • Phipps Mike

      So here we go. A grim tour through time and space, but mostly I’m just talking RECENTLY. Because one of the right-wing arguments I’m confronting says that because the Crusades were so long ago, there’s no reason to get upset about them any more.

      Central African Republic. “Tens of thousands of Muslims flee Christian militias.”

      Burma: Buddhists kill scores of Muslims.

      From Alternet – 10 killings in the U.S. inspired by Christianity, starting with the Sikh Temple.

      A Princeton University Press book on Hindu violence against Muslims in India. More recently,Hindus force Christians to convert.

      Three Jews confess to burning Palestinian teenager alive.

      On the role played by militant rabbis in the murder of Rabin (Jews killing Jews over religion).

      And none of this excuses the horrific acts of violence perpetrated by Muslims.

      The problem isn’t Islam. The problem isn’t Christianity or any other religion either. The problem is ideology. When an ideology splits the world between us and them, same and other, human and dehumanized, it enables violence. Religious ideology is especially good for this, though certain secular ideologies have outstripped religion by far in the 20th century. We’ll see about the 21st.

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/02/09/1363247/-FOX-NEWS-Only-Muslims-have-ever-killed-anybody-in-the-name-of-religion?detail=email

      • yhoshua

        I think everyone agrees that the *potential* for evil exists in every human being regardless of their ethnicity, religion or political leanings. The difference in this case is what is actually *taught* by each respective religion. Islam *teaches* violence and Jihad and has 1400 years of history to prove it. So it’s unfair to compare violent actions in Islam to violent actions in Christianity when the former is condoned while the latter is condemned by both their respective holy men (Muhammad and Jesus) and holy books (the Qur’an and Bible).

        • Ronni Taylor

          100 Million slaughtered by Christian Armies since WWII, so any claim that Christianity is the religion of peace is blatantly false. Not to mention that Hitler was a Christian and his Armies were Christian too. http://www.alternet.org/belief/despite-wingnut-freakout-obama-right-christian-violence-just-bad-muslim-violence

          • yhoshua

            Hitler was a Christian… Bahahahahaha. What a load of revisionist history. You do realize that Hitler’s own confidants went on record in their memoirs saying Hitler *hated* Christianity and religion in general and they even speculated that one of his end goals was to eradicate religion entirely? Or, if you doubt their testimony, maybe you’d care to read some of Hitler’s own quotes:

            “The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity!” -Adolf Hitler

            “But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.” -Adolf Hitler

            “Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity. It will last another hundred years, two hundred years perhaps.” -Adolf Hitler

            Now that we’ve established that the numbers added into the equation to establish “Christian” armies and their associated deaths are highly circumspect, let’s move onto the real core of the argument.

            The argument isn’t about numbers and who killed who. The argument is that Christianity *condemns* violence while Islam promotes it. The simple fact is that Jesus was non-violent, taught His disciples to be non-violent and the New Testament does not have a single verse instructing violence in it. To be a Christian, one must emulate Jesus and follow New Testament instruction. The fact that many who claim to be Christians do not follow the example of Jesus or adhere to biblical instruction does not make Christianity culpable.

            Contrast this with Islam- Muhammad was a violent man, he taught his disciples to be violent and the Qur’an explicity commands Muslims to be violent- particularly to non-Muslims. So the violence done in Islam’s name is legitimately done in its name while the violence done either by Christian’s or in Christianity’s name is in utter contradiction to the teachings of Jesus.

            You can’t blame Christianity for violence when it teaches peace. You can blame Islam for violence because it teaches violence. That’s the difference.

          • Phipps Mike

            “the New Testament does not have a single verse instructing violence in it”…really?

            Matthew 18:6 (KJ21) | In Context | Whole Chapter

            6 But whoso shall cause one of these little ones who believe in Me to fall, it were better for him that a millstone were hung about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

            this refers to pedophilia and of course the receiver of his wrath may be deserving, but it IS a DEATH sentence. aka violence.

        • Phipps Mike

          “Islam *teaches* violence” for every verse you can post that supposedly teaches violence, I can post that and more teaching PEACE, The Quran is just as contradictory as the Bible.

  • dark477

    The truth must hurt

    • jmichael39

      More trolling by the ignorant and illogical.

      • dark477

        quit projecting bub.

        • jmichael39

          LMAO…you first, hypocrite

          • dark477

            You have now idea that that word means?

  • alnga

    It is foolish to tolerate any more of his lies and incompetence. He needs an attitude adjustment that comes with a impeachment. We do not have time for that so just close off his purse strings through Congress. Let him dangle and allow his Cabinet to govern like FDR’s did for nearly two years.

  • James Rankin

    Over 1400 years and approximately 400 Islamic invasions across the Mediterranean world and Europe, Islamic marauders conquered. Compared to approximately 10 major crusades and some minor ones by the Catholic armies over a 200 year period, I’d say that’s a big difference Mr Obama. FYI Islam sought to destroy and control in the name of allah, Christendom sought to defend against the pagan onslaught.

  • jcrosby35

    You can tell every tree by its fruit. For a good tree produces good fruit after its own kind and a bad tree after its own kind.
    All a person needs to do it examine Obama and his fruit. It stinks of his father who was a liar and murder from the very beginning.

  • Saber27

    No matter what the world wants to believe Islam is not a peaceful religion. The Koran is replete with violence toward unbelievers and for the last 1300 years Muslims have been exercising their God given obligation to kill. The following selected passages were taken directly from the Koran and underscore the importance of understanding what the world faces. Notice the tense. It is directed toward unbelievers of today. Contrast this with the story of the Good Samaritan where Jesus teaches to love your neighbor as yourself and
    that your neighbor is everyone.

    2:216 Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful to you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows, you know not.

    3:151 We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant has been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrongdoers.

    4:74 Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoever fights in the way of Allah, whether slain or victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

    4:89 They long that you should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that you may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever you find them, and choose no friend or helper from among them,

    4:91 You will find others who desire that they should have security from you, and security from their own people. So often as they are returned to hostility they are plunged therein. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold
    their hands, then take them and kill them wherever you find them. Against such
    We have given you clear warrant.

    5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom.

    5:38 As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of
    their deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

    5:51 O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They
    are friends one to another. He among you who takes them for friends is (one) of
    them. Lo! Allah guides not wrongdoing people.

    7:4 How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them.

    7:5 No plea had they, when Our terror came unto them, save that they said: Lo! We were wrong-doers.

    8:15 O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them.

    8:16 Whoso on that day turns his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or
    intent to join a company, he truly has incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.

    9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.

    17:16 And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its people who live at ease, and afterward if they commit abomination therein, the Word (of doom) has effect for it, and we annihilate it (the township) with complete annihilation.

    18:59 And (all) those townships! We destroyed them when they did wrong, and We appointed a fixed time for their destruction.

    21:15 And their crying ceased not till We (Killed Them) made them as reaped corn, extinct.

    22:19 These two (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend
    concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads,

    22:21 And for them are hooked rods of iron.

    22:22 Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning.

    22:45 How many a township have We destroyed while it was sinful, so that it lies (to this day) in ruins, and (how many) a deserted well and lofty tower!

    23:77 Until, when We open for them the gate of extreme punishment, behold! they are aghast by it.

    This goes for 88 chapters. I can do more but I think I have made my point

    • Ginny Lynch

      Thank [email protected] The truth cannot be understood, until it is broadcast! Let the truth of the violence of the Islamic book be opened and understood for what it truly is. Educate yourself. Quit speaking out of the lies of political correctness…when the truth is easily acquired by simple reading. Islam is about submission by choice or under force…and the Kor’an incites and even commands violence and evil acts against any who oppose it!

    • Phipps Mike

      you ever see “braveheart” and what he had to go through at his death? you can stop your nonsense about Christians being so innocent any time now.

      • yhoshua

        Yes, because at the core of Edward Longshank’s motivation to kill William Wallace was his deep religious convictions and adherance to biblical teaching, not his political hunger for more power. History clearly records Edward yelling “God is Great!” at the moment of William’s death… /sarcasm

        The issue isn’t whether or not people claiming any religion can be violent- that is obviously true. The issue is what each respective religion teaches and condones.

      • Saber27

        Mike, Are you saying that Edward the first was doing his Christian duty? Or, was he instead a cut throat SOB and not “loving his neighbor as himself. I suggest you understand the bible before you lash out in ignorance.

        • Phipps Mike

          you totally dismiss the FACT that Christians have killed THOUSANDS of people over the years for not complying to their beliefs. Including right here in The US (when they killed thousands of Native Americans for not converting).

  • Guest

    I would like to preface my
    comments by saying I am a Christian who believes the Bible. I disagree with
    some of President Obama’s policies and I disagree with some. I also agree that
    Islam was created on violence and continues to be a violent religion, although
    not all Muslims are violent.

    That
    being said, I think the right-wing evangelical who are criticizing him are
    hypocritical and racist. I guess they just ignored, overlook, his comments on
    how many of the founding fathers, whom these hypocrites still hold in high
    esteem. These evil men enslaved millions of blacks, tortured them, raped them, breed
    them for their own profit, treated them worse than their animal, and killed
    them (I could go on and on.) These right-wing, so called conservative evangelicals
    never condemn the atrocities that these men committed. Rather, they continually
    praise them. It is sickening when you see them on their television networks singing
    the praise of such evil men. These hypocrites would be the same religious
    leaders who back in the time of slavery would have fought against abolition.
    The majority of Christian religious leaders during that time were not abolitionist;
    rather they were staunch opponents of abolition. Slavery lasted in this country
    longer than others due to the churches supporting it.
    In addition,
    these hypocrites fail to recognize the relationship their good friend Bush had
    with Muslim leaders. They still support the killing of thousands of Muslims and
    American based on lies. They need to repent, weep over the sins of their
    fathers and become true Christians. Like Jesus said, to the religious hypocrites
    of his time, pull the beam out of their own eyes before that talk about the
    speck in someone else’s.

    • Ginny Lynch

      You are mistaken, and I have documented, footnoted history, not just wild imaginations on which to stand, @Guest. If you are going to claim to be a Christian, you better be sure your posts represent the TRUTH, and not lies or pre-conceived unsubstantiated notions! Be responsible in your comments, or do not comment at all. Why don’t you read some real history before you accuse a majority of our nation’s founding fathers, and other Christians of that time period of pro-slavery positions. Read, “Setting the record Straight: American History in Black and White”. It is full of footnoted quotes, with 28 pages of Endnotes…and eleven pages of history books and sources in its Bibliography. Your post is so irresponsible!

    • Ginny Lynch

      @Havingmysay You posted once under this name, and once under “Guest”. If you really are a Christian, as you claim in both posts, why are you so eager to disseminate lies that smear Christ?! Be certain you have your facts straight, before you write on public posting sights. That is one important way to honor the Lord that you claim to serve.

  • Having My Say

    I would like to preface my
    comments by saying I am a Christian who believes the Bible. I agree with
    some of President Obama’s policies and I disagree with some. I also agree that
    Islam was created on violence and continues to be a violent religion, although
    not all Muslims are violent.

    That
    being said, I think the right-wing evangelical who are criticizing him are
    hypocritical and racist. I guess they just ignored, overlook, his comments on
    how many of the founding fathers, whom these hypocrites still hold in high
    esteem. These evil men enslaved millions of blacks, tortured them, raped them, breed
    them for their own profit, treated them worse than their animal, and killed
    them (I could go on and on.) These right-wing, so called conservative evangelicals
    never condemn the atrocities that these men committed. Rather, they continually
    praise them. It is sickening when you see them on their television networks singing
    the praise of such evil men. These hypocrites would be the same religious
    leaders who back in the time of slavery would have fought against abolition.
    The majority of Christian religious leaders during that time were not abolitionist;
    rather they were staunch opponents of abolition. Slavery lasted in this country
    longer than others due to the churches supporting it.

    In addition,
    these hypocrites fail to recognize the relationship their good friend Bush had
    with Muslim leaders. They still support the killing of thousands of Muslims and
    American based on lies. They need to repent, weep over the sins of their
    fathers and become true Christians. Like Jesus said to the religious hypocrites
    of his time, pull the beam out of their own eyes before that talk about the
    speck in someone else’s.

    • Ginny Lynch

      @mysay Where do you find evidence that Christian founding fathers were raping, torturing, or “breeding” human beings like animals! Imagination, not factual history is the basis of your claims! Christ came to save us FROM sin! Christ in the heart of a believer imparts truth, love, humility, forgiveness, and kindness. “If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation. Old things have passed away. Behold all things have become new.”. The fruit of the Spirit is in all righteousness, goodness, and truth….by their fruits ye shall know them.”. Christians and Christian churches helped organise and carry out the “underground railroad”, and civil rights legislation to emancipate slaves. Slavery was an evil that opposed God’s will, and the US Constitution. Read true history, and you will understand that Christianity was the greatest force behind the abolition of slavery!!!

      • jmichael39

        There is no evidence of such, Ginny. He has his facts mixed up too. The fact of the matter is that more blacks were enslaved by other blacks than by whites. And the vast majority of whites who enslaved blacks were a miniscule percentage of whites in existence then. And white Christians were the frontrunners of the end of slavery in the US and UK.

        “MY SAY” also claims that, “These right-wing, so called conservative evangelicals never condemn the atrocities that these men committed. Rather, they continually praise them.” – Seriously flawed argument simply because “MY SAY” can’t possibly have spoken to every conservative evangelical, or read everything every conservative evangelical has ever written on the subject. Nor does “MY SAY” even clarify what any of these conservative evangelicals are praising ‘these men’ for doing, let alone have evidence of that…or even clarify WHO ‘these men’ are specifically. Surely “MY SAY” is not referring to EVERY founding father as “these men”. Or maybe they are.

        Either way, the entirety of MY SAY’s post is filled with logical fallacies and blatant misrepresentations, if not outright lies.

      • Magister_militum_praesentalis

        In your opinion, is there such a thing as “true history” that has taken place before 1865 and 1776?

      • Having My Say

        Ginny
        Lynch: First, I never said that the founding fathers were Christians. Really, there were no Christian founding fathers who held slaves because anyone who owned slaves and called themselves Christians were deceived and hypocrites.
        However, I did state that the religious – right, who are so critical of the
        President, highly esteem them and honor them as being Christians.

        Secondly, I never said that Christians did not help in abolition. I stated that the majority of them did not. Maybe you need to dig a little deeper into history. You may want to read the narrative of Fredrick Douglas. He tells how his master became so much crueler after he was so called converted and joined the Methodist church. Why because
        his church condoned slavery by distorting the Bible.

        Or, maybe you can read All On Fire: William Lloyd Garrison and the abolition of slavery. See how much the so called Christian Church assisted him. Or, maybe you should read the narrative of Charles Ball, (I guess you never heard of him) especially the last chapter. If you need more resources just ask. Maybe I should start listing the hundreds of quotes from all the so called Christian preachers, from just about every denomination, who supported slavery. I have book full of them because I have done my research and have read true
        history. And, I guess you just forgot about the Civil War. A serious
        study of it would enlighten you.
        Other facts:
        George Washington owned more than 200 slaves
        Thomas Jefferson owned more than 100 slaves
        James Madison owned and sold slaves all his life
        James Monroe owned 30-40 slaves
        Andrew Jackson owned about 160 slaves
        Martin Van Buren owned at least one slave
        William Henry Harrison had several slaves
        John Tyler had slaves
        James K. Polk had 15 slaves
        Zachary Taylor owned more than 100 slaves.

        Oh and John Newton, the Amazing Grace writer. Although he
        stopped trading slaves, he continued to make profit of the trade of humans because he continued to own a shipping company that was actively participating and profiting of the slave trade. But the history you read would not tell you this. Maybe the picture below will shed some light. I challenge you to dig a little deeper.
        The truth does hurt, but repentance heals.

        • Having My Say

          The picture! Some how it disappeared.

          • Having My Say

            Wow! the picture disappeared again. Deep.

          • Having My Say

            The picture that disappeared, for the 3rd time, showed about 50 KKK fully attired, in a church service, being welcomed by the congregation and officials, with a big banner of the words Jesus Saves on the wall behind them.

  • Robert Weiss

    President Obama needs to do more than say he is sorry about his attitude and the comments he made about the crusades. I pray he turns to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, asking forgiveness and repenting of his sins, obeying the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Please pray that world leaders, as well as, all people, turn to God, repent of their sins and obey the Gospel; yielding to God, asking forgiveness; receiving God’s gift of salvation through the shed blood of His Son, Jesus Christ, who, out of His devine love for us, died on a cruel cross, was buried and is RISEN; bleeding as a spotless sacrifice, washing away our sins – the sins of his chosen ones.

    When we put on Christ, His Fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control, where, against such things there is no law) will grow in us. His Holy Spirit will transform our minds through prayer, study and meditation of God’s Word. With His Word in our minds and hearts, we can have the mind and heart of Christ. With His Word filling our minds and hearts, through His guidance and help, we no longer conform to worldly influence and thinking, but we become Christlike.

    There’s much more. If you want to learn more about God’s Truth, His Word, The Bible, or if you share the christian worldview, join us on my page, Robert Weiss. Please send me your friend request. Let us worship Him, together, in Spirit and in Truth! Glory, honor and praise to our Father, only He is worthy!

  • Dave

    “From the birth of Popery in 606 to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians, that more than fifty millions of the human family, have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors, an average of more than forty thousand religious murders for every year of the existence of popery.”

    — “History of Romanism,” pp. 541, 542. New York: 1871.

    • Ginny Lynch

      Catholicism is NOT Biblical Christianity! Christ is NOT the author of “the Popacy”. And the Pope condoned burning at the stake of those who preached Biblical salvation. In the Middle Ages, Catholicism was harshly dictated…and offending its oppressive un-Biblical doctrines could mean a death sentence Catholicism was the enemy to the Gospel of salvation, expounded in the Bible. Thankfully, our founding fathers denounced a “State imposed” religion…and instituted a law that requires religious liberty and freedom of speech!

      • Dave

        Bingo Ginny Lynch! Until the “rapture craze” of less than
        200 years ago, most all of Evangelical, Protestant, and Reformed churches recognized
        the Papacy as the Antichrist, actually from the 10th century onward.
        If true, this would make the Crusaders the armies of the Antichrist!

      • Magister_militum_praesentalis

        Too many Protestants and non-Catholics like to play the who killed who game thinking that it will justify their ecclesiological rebellion. All it ends up doing is reveal their historical ignorance and cognitive dissonance.

    • Magister_militum_praesentalis

      Sounds like antiquated SDA propaganda.

      • Dave

        I suggest you read Martyrs Mirror, or at least give it a casual glance before passing judgement. Anyone who defends the slaughter of millions of Christians has their blood on his hands.

        • Magister_militum_praesentalis

          How did I defend that?

  • Christian Knight

    What more can you say about this man,,, the arrogance he is an abomination to the whole world while criticizing Christianity.. he can’t say two little words Radical Islam..

  • Phipps Mike

    ““Jesus taught peace, love and forgiveness. He came to give His life for the sins of mankind, not to take life. ”
    sure, but that’s not true about GOD. God killed many from his wrath and innocent animals died from his wanting of sacrifices.
    Watch The DaVinci Code movie and see some history about all of the death surrounding Christianity. Lets not forget that this country was FOUNDED as an ESCAPE from the persecution (death) of Protestants by other Catholic (also being Christians). I 100% agree with Obama’s assessment. Its a FACT.

    • yhoshua

      Holy crap man. You’re advising people to watch a movie based on a novel for their source of history and then lecturing others about “facts”?! The Da Vinci Code is FICTION not history!

      Jesus *was* God- you can’t agree that Jesus was for love and forgiveness and then say the same isn’t true about God. The biblical narrative states that God (even in the Old Testament) *wanted* man to repent (read the book of Jonah as an example), but they often didn’t- so there were consequences.

      But again, the problem with Obama’s assessment and the reason for the uproar isn’t that people are whitewashing violence in Christianity’s past, it’s that most of those acts were CONTRARY to biblical teaching. You can’t blame Christianity for the behavior of those who violate its teachings. You can blame Islam for the behavior of those who uphold its teachings though. It’s really quite simple:

      Violence = Condemned by Jesus and by the Bible
      Violence = Practiced by Mohammed and commanded by the Qur’an

      Therefore, you can’t compare the two and act like only “misguided” and “fanatical” adherents of both religions act violently.

      • Phipps Mike

        1. The scene I am referring to is where Tom Hanks is talking to Sir Leigh Teabing at his home, Sir Leigh is giving the FACTUAL history surrounding all of the wars surrounding the hiding of Mary Magdalenes coffin…etc… Those were FACTS, not fiction.

        2. “Jesus *was* God- you can’t agree that Jesus was for love and forgiveness and then say the same isn’t true about God.”

        although Jesus and God are one within the trinity, They are still separate entities as well. Jesus was a 180% contrast to God. God is vengeful and him asking for repentance is NOT an excuse. The Bible teaches that its ok for God to be vengeful and take lives as he so wishes. So when you say ” it’s that most of those acts were CONTRARY to biblical teaching. You can’t blame Christianity for the behavior of those who violate its teachings.” it has NO meaning. The Bible teaches its ok for God to take lives and including innocent animals lives.

        Truth:
        Violence=NOT condemned by the Bible as long as God is doing it.

  • Pierre Souillard

    I live in a part of France were Crusades killed many many children, women and men, burning them alive by 100, 400 … Christian ones, and some Catholics. In 1204, Arnaud Amaury, legate of the Pope, said to the crusaders before the slaughter of Beziers “Kill them all, god’ll reconize his children”. Thomas Madden is a professor, but he forgot the essential. This history is in our memories here, still now. I say crusades was against the message of Jesus, and turned against poor and innocent people, Christian, not Christian … just kill for money, and power. All against the message of Jesus.

    • Pierre Souillard
      • yhoshua

        I think that is the overall point here- that the Crusades were not commanded by the Bible or by Jesus while Jihad is commanded by both Muhammad and the Qur’an. Therefore the two are not comparable.

  • Ronni Taylor

    100 MILLION MURDERED by Christian Armies since WWII. Now tell me again how Christianity is better than Islam? Both are mirror images of the other, and so is Judaism. http://www.alternet.org/belief/despite-wingnut-freakout-obama-right-christian-violence-just-bad-muslim-violence

    • yhoshua

      Do you blame the law, the judge or the police when an individual chooses to commit a crime? If one nation makes it a criminal offense to murder while another nation promotes the behavior, which nation in your opinion is “better” despite the fact that murder takes place in both?

      Jesus and the Bible condemn violence. Muhammad and the Qur’an promote it. Yes, violence happens under every religious, political and ideological banner, but that doesn’t mean they are all equally culpable.

      • Phipps Mike

        “which nation in your opinion is “better” despite the fact that murder takes place in both?”
        you just hung yourself with that statement. Murder takes place in WAR and God commanded it. Therefore, God teaches MURDER. Checkmate!!

        • yhoshua

          What nation on earth, what dictionary on earth or what religious text on earth defines the lives lost during war as “murder”?

          You’re arguing that every soldier who has defended their country should be charged and sentenced in the first degree and that all military personnel are in fact criminals? Please, try that argument in any public forum, courtroom or international council and report back their response. Then try the same argument with any theologian of any religion. Even the widely-perceived-as-peaceful Dalai Lama wouldn’t agree with you.

          And to make such an illogical assertion, you completely ignored the bulk of my post in favor of a half-baked “gotcha!” moment.

          • Phipps Mike

            Murder is relative in meaning. Going to Desert Storm to kill Iraqians to protect the cost of oil IS Murder. It is NOT due cause for killing people. Protecting financial interests is GREED. Killing people to force democracy on the other half of their occupants is NOT justified.Only a war that stops invasion is justified. Might IS NOT right. Regardless of all of the brainwashed right leaning wingnuts beliefs.

            The crux of your entire “bulk of my post” centers around “Islam *teaches* violence” which as I said before, it also teaches PEACE. That makes the Quran the SAME as the Bible. BOTH teach violence and peace. Take your pick.

          • yhoshua

            “Murder is relative in meaning.”

            Ah, I see. So *your* definition is the one that matters rather than the one established by any holy text, secular government or international council.

            “BOTH teach violence and peace. Take your pick.”

            Incorrect. The Bible *describes* violence, but nowhere in the New Testament does it *teach* (instruct or command) violence. Go ahead- try to find a single solitary verse where Jesus or one of the apostles instruct believers to act violently toward others. I’m sure you read history books in school which covered various wars- do you argue that they also *teach* violence? And if you want to cite Old Testament passages (even though Christians do not follow OT law), please note that they are restricted to specific historical events.

            The Qur’an is very different in this regard- it has many, many passages which *command* Muslims to war upon unbelievers. Furthermore these passages abrogate the earlier peaceful passages. You see, the Qur’an (like the Bible) is not ordered chronologically, so war and peace Suras are intermingled. But if there are conflicting commands, the Qur’an instructs the reader to obey the one written most recently. All the peaceful passages were written by Mohammad in Mecca early in his career while the war passages were written later in Medina. Therefore Muslim scholars (rightfully) ignore the passages of peace with infidels and adhere to the passages of war.

            It helps if you understand what adherents of any particular religion believe about their own faith and texts rather than inserting your own interpretation.

          • Phipps Mike

            “And if you want to cite Old Testament passages (even though Christians do not follow OT law), please note that they are restricted to specific historical events.”

            so it is ok for you to disqualify ALL violent passages using the excuse of “restricted to specific historical events”. That is SO broad that it could excuse almost ANYTHING.

            The new testament instructs for child molesters to be cast into the sea. I already posted that verse.

            Here is an excerpt from an article I encourage you to read:

            Violence in Jewish and Christian History

            Along with Armstrong, any number of prominent writers, historians, and theologians have championed this “relativist” view. For instance, John Esposito, director of the Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University, wonders,

            How come we keep on asking the same question, [about violence in Islam,] and don’t ask the same question about Christianity and Judaism? Jews and Christians have engaged in acts of violence. All of us have the transcendent and the dark side. … We have our own theology of hate. In mainstream Christianity and Judaism, we tend to be intolerant; we adhere to an exclusivist theology, of us versus them.[2]

            An article by Pennsylvania State University humanities professor Philip Jenkins, “Dark Passages,” delineates this position most fully. It aspires to show that the Bible is more violent than the Qur’an:

            [I]n terms of ordering violence and bloodshed, any simplistic claim about the superiority of the Bible to the Koran would be wildly wrong. In fact, the Bible overflows with “texts of terror,” to borrow a phrase coined by the American theologian Phyllis Trible. The Bible contains far more verses praising or urging bloodshed than does the Koran, and biblical violence is often far more extreme, and marked by more indiscriminate savagery. … If the founding text shapes the whole religion, then Judaism and Christianity deserve the utmost condemnation as religions of savagery.[3]

            Several anecdotes from the Bible as well as from Judeo-Christian history illustrate Jenkins’ point, but two in particular—one supposedly representative of Judaism, the other of Christianity—are regularly mentioned and therefore deserve closer examination.

            The military conquest of the land of Canaan by the Hebrews in about 1200 B.C.E. is often characterized as “genocide” and has all but become emblematic of biblical violence and intolerance. God told Moses:

            But of the cities of these peoples which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive, but you shall utterly destroy them—the Hittite, Amorite, Canaanite, Perizzite, Hivite, and Jebusite—just as the Lord your God has commanded you, lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the Lord your God.[4]”

            http://www.meforum.org/2159/are-judaism-and-christianity-as-violent-as-islam

          • yhoshua

            Question #1: If the Old Testament *instructs* Jews to perpetually commit genocide, acts of war, terror and otherwise violent behavior, why is it that Jews throughout history have not acted accordingly?

            Question #2: How is it that a single reference to a capitol punishment (our secular government prescribes death penalties too) equates to “the Bible being more violent than the Qur’an” when there are over 150 listed in the latter?

            http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html

  • Kachina

    Obama had his own agenda when he walked into our White House. We are witnessing what that agenda is, today. I have yet to hear the roar of Christians~