Study Finds Homeschoolers Less Likely to Leave Faith Than Public, Private Schooled Students

Homeschool 4The recently-released findings from an in-depth study of nearly 10,000 young adults show that Millennials who were homeschooled are less likely to leave the faith than individuals who attended private or public schools.

Late last month, Generations with Vision and the National Home Education Research Institute published the results of their Gen2 Survey. The study explores the correlations between different educational methods and the spiritual decisions of Millennials who were raised in the church.

“The purpose of the study is to examine these adults who were churched growing up and to understand the key influences which either encouraged or deterred them from believing and practicing the faith of their parents,” said the survey’s director and lead researcher, Dr. Brian Ray.

Using a sample size of 9,369 18-to 38-year-olds who were churched while growing up, the Gen2 Survey collected data on Millennials’ educational backgrounds, worldviews, and religious beliefs. The study found that individuals who were homeschooled, attended church regularly, and had good relationships with their parents were most likely to remain involved in the Christian faith.

“Having a strong relationship with the child’s mother and father, attending church as a child, and years homeschooled were all clearly positively associated with Millennials’ basic Christian orthodoxy, broader biblical beliefs, Christian behaviors (e.g., attending church, keeping sex in marriage, prayer, not using pornography), satisfaction in life, civic and community involvement, and having beliefs similar to one’s parents,” Ray stated.

87% of study participants who were homeschooled said they have strong Christian beliefs. Conversely, Millennials who were enrolled in public schools or private Christian schools were more likely to walk away from the faith later in life.

“Number of years in Christian school and number of years in public school were negatively associated with most of the adult beliefs and behaviors just mentioned,” Ray explained.

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Statistically, homeschooled young adults were six times as likely to be believers and seven times as likely to be stronger in their Christian beliefs as Millennials attending private schools. Homeschooled Millennials were also two times as likely to be stronger in Christian beliefs as those who attended Christian schools or public schools.

Educational experiences also influence lifestyle choices and beliefs, according to the Gen2 Survey. For example, approximately one-third of young adults who were raised in Christian homes and educated in public schools have engaged in co-habitating fornication, compared to 9% of homeschooled individuals.

Support of homosexual “marriage” was also lowest among homeschooled young adults, with 16% saying they support it. Nearly half of Millennials raised in Christian homes and educated in public schools supported homosexual “marriage.”

Kevin Swanson, director of Generations with Vision, said the Gen2 Survey is “vitally important,” because “it comes just as the largest numbers on historical record are migrating away from the Christian faith.”

“Some other surveys indicate as many as 70-90% of millennials and mosaics are leaving the Christian church,” Swanson said. “This is a major spiritual collapse.”

One of the best ways to fend off the widespread secularism and apostasy of our culture is through homeschooling, Swanson contended.

“Initial results give us this bottom line for the Gen2 Survey: Home education is the best educational choice, if we value the carrying on of the faith,” he said.

Overall, Swanson said the study’s findings reaffirm the importance of different influences in a child’s life.

“If your children are discipled in a Muslim mosque or by NBC, ABC, CBS, or Facebook for 35 hours a week, they can generally be expected to take on the faith that disciples them,” he asserted. “If they are discipled by parents or pastors for 35 hours a week, they will generally walk in the ways in which they are discipled. It really is that simple.”


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  • The Last Trump

    Do you love your children?

    Homeschool:
    “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.” Proverbs 22:6.
    “Preach the word; be prepared in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.” 2 Timothy 4:2.

    Public School:
    “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it” Mathew 7:13.
    “But realize this, that in the last days perilous times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God”
    2 Timothy 3:1.

    You decide.

    • Gary

      The message this world has to offer is that the Bible is not true. Take that into consideration before you let unbelievers “educate” your children.

    • Lisa

      I do love my children though I didn’t homeschool them and I sent them to a public school. I think it’s wrong to say that if you don’t homeschool you don’t love. Life is hard enough raising children without trying to give people guilt trips or to imply you’re not a Christian if you’re kids went to public schools. The good parent wisely guides their children through life-not hide them from the world. We all live in this world and we all have to make decisions everyday whether we follow God or satan, people are not saved from this by being homeschooled. Isn’t that really how we shine our lights for God in the darkness? We are in the world but not of the world?

      • The Last Trump

        Sorry Lisa, but I have to disagree. I too sent both of my children to public schools and the experience damaged them terribly. Morally and spiritually.
        If you believe that sending innocent, trusting children to godless institutions that teach the fantasy of evolution as fact, mock the Bible and Christianity, and promote pornography, the LGBT agenda, abortion, alcohol and drugs is something you do if you LOVE them, than you are truly delusional. The public school system today is a moral cesspool of debauchery and depravity. I wouldn’t even send my worst enemy there, never mind innocent and easily influenced children.

        • Lisa

          Even though you sent your children to public schools-did you love them? Or do you feel now that you actually hated them? I’m sorry that your kids were damaged.
          Don’t get me wrong I was glad when they graduated to not have to put up with all the crap anymore but maybe I am delusional where I think that God helps us no matter what. Where God can bring good from bad. If I had small children now, would I send them to public school? I don’t know. I just know that as a parent I did do the best I could do but I didn’t send them to public school because I didn’t love them. I have to trust God that He will help me and my family no matter what happens. That He really won’t leave us or forsake us, because if I don’t have hope in the Lord…..

          • phshaw

            Lisa…I don’t think the article is implying that if you send your kids to public school that means you don’t love them. It appears to be emphasizing the high degree of danger from apostasy that may likely result. BTW…as a parent who sent their kid to a Christian univrsity, can attest to the point that that environment is not significantly better from a social Christian development either.

          • Lisa

            I wasn’t responding to the article but to the last trump who inferred that a person doesn’t love their children if they send them to public school. I understand that in the article they are trying to say that kids homeschooled stayed in the faith when older. I’m not sure I believe the survey 100%. I don’t know that Christian schools are so much better, but I couldn’t afford to send my kids to one and have nothing to really go by. I have heard that many Christian University’s are not teaching truth but are themselves compromised and new age beliefs are being sold as Christianity. There is also ecumenism being pushed by different Christians. I guess what I am trying to say is that there is no guarantee in this life. We can fall away and maybe instead of pretending that it doesn’t happen by saying the people that fall away were never saved but by telling people up front that the devil is a roaring lion after everyone?

          • phshaw

            Hi Lisa…my apologies if I misunderstood the context of your response. On the issue of those who “fall away”, the clearest scriptural explanation I have seen on the subject is 1 John 2:19. Essentially those who “fall away”, were likely never truly saved to begin with.

          • Lisa

            No worries phshaw. I’ll have to look at the verse more and pray about it. But there is so much about falling away that I can’t take just that one verse over the falling away ones. Matthew 24:10 where Jesus says many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. I mean Jesus tells us people will fall away.

          • lynn

            Sad thing is that most parents in todays America have to both work outside of the home just to get by. They don’t have much opportunity to home school even if they want to. Then there is the added cost of sending a child, or children to a private school. All most Christian parents can do is teach their Christian values at home along with much prayer for their children.

          • Lisa

            That’s exactly it Lynn!

          • Michelle

            My husband and I rented a bedroom for 2 years because of finances for ourselves and our twin daughters. It may not have been ideal, but it allowed me to stay home. Then we built our finances on one income, living within our means. It IS possible, but we have to be willing to buy in bulk, cook from scratch, have one vehicle, use a bicycle or public transportation, buy used, utilize free cycle and other similiar things, start a cottage industry, raise/grow food for our family, choose reusable cloth instead of disposable, not take vacations, move to a smaller place, or maybe even rent an apartment, and more.

            What I see in a majority of homes is a lack ofof willingness to change lifestyle. When it comes down to it, daycare costs, extra mileage on vehicles, work clothes, etc., a second parent working brings in very little.

            Learning to live on one income from the start of marriagemarriage and teaching children to do the same, is of vital importance.

          • lynn

            Sounds a lot like my wife and I. She stayed home and took care of our two children and all the rest of the things that needed to be done there. The wife that takes care of the home has a full time job just doing that. I am very thankful for her. Things were hard at times. I sometimes worked two jobs just to make it by. At one time I worked two jobs and went to trade school so I could get a better paying job. Didn’t get much sleep, but it all worked out for the best. Now things are a lot better. I am 69 years old and still work part time.
            God bless you and your family.

        • Paul Hiett

          I think the only one delusional here is you. You clearly have no idea what goes on at public schools, and to criticize a mother for making choices for her children when you know nothing about her is about as crude and pretentious as it gets. You are, by no means, up on a pedestal, and it is quite sickening to see someone condemn a parent for doing nothing more than raising their child with love and care.

          • Fundisi

            It is as lie, Trump condemned no one. Further, forgive us if we reject the advice of atheists like yourself on matters pertaining to the faith. We do not need or seek your advice. We do know what goes on in our public schools – they are all anti-Christ, they are hostile to Christ and they teach the doctrines of the anti-Christ.

          • Paul Hiett

            Did you really just claim that our schools teach the doctrine of the anti-Christ? Man, I knew you were out there…I didn’t know how far til now.

            Just…wow.

          • Fundisi

            Evolution is anti-Christ! Secular humanism is anti-Christ. Anything not centered on Jesus and His Word is by definition anti-Christ. The children are denied the right to read their bibles, to mention Jesus in any of their homework assignments, to pray aloud in school and on and on the schools are openly hostile to Christ and that is anti-Christ!

          • Paul Hiett

            That’s hilarious. You act like your religion is the only one in the world…

          • Fundisi

            The Christian Faith, notice I did not say religion, is the ONLY way to salvation, there is no other and all others are but deceptions of Satan to lead souls into hell. No apologies!

          • Paul Hiett

            Right, and I’m sure that the followers of those other religions are no where near as convicted as you are in your faith, are they?

          • The Last Trump

            ??
            Who condemned what now?
            I’m “crude”, “pretentious”, “sickening”, and “condemning”!!
            You got all of THAT from keep your children OUT OF public schools!?
            Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
            You trolls are toooooo funny! So filled with hate for Christians, eh Paul? Know any other tunes, hater? You should really talk with Spoob. Two peas in a hate filled pod!
            Hey, thanks for coming out to this Christian website to tell all the Christians how “bad” we are. Don’t get out much?

          • Paul Hiett

            I didn’t lump everyone in with you…I singled you out and no others. You criticized Lisa extremely harshly for sending her children, whom she obviously loves, to a public school. You do so knowing nothing about her, or her circumstances.

            I’ll leave you Matthew 7:1. I’m sure you remember that one?

          • Fundisi

            Ah, the atheist that cannot possibly understand God’s Word relies on it to attack Christians, how bizarre.

          • Paul Hiett

            You think an atheist incapable of understanding the Bible? I think you underestimate the intelligence an atheist has.

          • Fundisi

            Spiritual things are ONLY spiritually discerned, thus saith the Lord. You have not His Spirit, you cannot understand spiritual things – you are in spiritual darkness.

          • Spoob

            He can talk to me if he so desires. Paul happens to be right about you. You put yourself high up on a pedestal and are in no position to condemn another parent, but I do realize condemning is what people like you do best.

          • Fundisi

            It is a lie that Trump condemned anyone, he posed a perfectly reasonable question.

        • Fundisi

          There is no condemnation for Lisa in doing the best she can, with the light she has and while you are also right that Christians need to be better at self sacrifice, of giving up much this world has to offer, if that is required to get our children out of the hands of the forces of anti-Christ in our world. There is much to say for Lisa in trusting God no matter where her children are, for they are in an evil world, while there is much to say for being wise in the Lord and to the degree possible removing our children from the evil indoctrinations of our public schools.

          We can only walk with the light we have and trusting in God to protect us and our families from our own foolishness. Is it best to take our children out of public schools into Christian Schools or homeschooling – yes, to be sure to protect them as best we can from the corruptions in our liberal, godless, even hostile to Christ public schools. If we cannot remove them, whether from our own selfishness or circumstances, by prayer we need to seek their protection, to monitor what they are being taught and keep them on the right path. Let each person do as they are convinced as best in their own hearts, let us pray for each other, let us offer whatever advice we can, by the Spirit, then leave it all in God’s Hands.

          • Lisa

            Thank you for your kind words!

      • Notbuyingit3337

        Whoa, not all homeschoolers “hide them from the world”, but they do protect them from pre-marital sex, alcohol, tobacco, illegal drugs, and other worldly indoctrination until they are developmentally ready to deal with it. As if anyone could hide from the cess pool we’re in.

        • Lisa

          I had to re-read all the comments because this is from awhile ago. Wow!
          My comments came about from someone who was trying to tell me that I didn’t love my kids because I sent them to school and didn’t homeschool them-implying that homeschooling them would have been a protection for them and by sending them to school I was not protecting them.So in one sense yes I do think homeschooling kids is hiding them away from the world. But like you said you can’t really hide them away from life.
          And I also said that we Christians are the light of the world-we shouldn’t be hiding our light from the world. The kids have an easier time of sharing with their friends while they are younger and it can be a blessing for the kids to be able to share the gospel. Because after all we also need to trust God for whatever happens to us and our families.

    • Fundisi

      Come out from among them and be separate is Godly Wisdom and any that fail to heed it are bound for grief.

  • Badkey

    Now THAT’S solid indoctrination!

  • http://GREATSITE.COM/ John Lawton Jeffcoat III

    It needs to be more widely understood that homeschooled children are statistically FAR more likely to stay Christian as adults, than even Private Christian School students. So many naive Christian parents think that by just sending their children to a so-called “Christian School”, they are somehow insuring a “Christian environment” for their children. That is simply not true. They get a Christian academic environment, but usually not a Christian social environment.

    Sure, in a “Christian School” you can be assured they will not be taught that the theory of evolution is a fact… they will be taught that it is a popular theory… but beyond that, there is not always a lot of difference between a Public School and a Private Christian School.
    I know of a Private Christian School here in Florida that was founded by one of the most godly Christian men on the planet, and filled with good Christian teachers, yet in their first graduating senior class of about 20 students, 3 of them were unwed pregnant girls.

    If you are not daily teaching you children to have a Biblical World And Life View at HOME, they are not going to get that at most “Christian Schools”. They are going to grow up, as this article states, discipled 35-hours-a-week or more by popular media, TV, social media, FaceBook, etc… and they will be liberal, pagan, humanists, who are pro-abortion-rights and pro-homosexual-lifestyle advocates, and apostate people who believe and say stupid things like: “I think ultimately all religions worship the same god, they just call him by different names”, and other such heresy.

    Parents are the ones who generally drop-the-ball when it comes to instilling and reinforcing a genuine Christian Mindset within their children. Sadly, very few parents have that mature and discerning Christian Mindset themselves, and so the are impotent to instill it within their children… but they can dump their children at a “Christian School” and then they think they have done their part. It’s just naive.

  • Fundisi

    Because they are more likely to remain faithful to Christ is why the socialist minded government of the United States must persecute these people and stop homeschooling, it is contrary to their dream of building a socialist utopia in America. Christ Jesus and the new America cannot stand together, so they pollute the Church and it surrenders and is an apostate Soviet style church and now they must stop bible believing Chritsians, they must get control of their children and corrupt them.

  • M Diaz

    i remember when i was living in my belief bubble. I knew i was sanctified, saved, covered in the blood of jesus which made me pure and whole all because of my belief, but then one day i realized, it’s because of my belief that i believe, i chose to believe, therefore the power of belief came from me…then my bubble popped and i’ve lived a much different life now…I take full responsibility for my actions, i am more compassionate to others and my sense of empathy has grown because i want to live a life of integrity and i no longer need to be threatened by anything other then my own remorse…

    • Fundisi

      I have no doubt your belief came from you, it was of the flesh, of your self will and that is why you were deceived into thinking you were saved. It was the carnal mind, it was an intellectual assent to what you were taught, but it was not the faith of Christ within, thus it was never saving faith. The parable of the sower speaks of those that hear the word and receive it, but it is not rooted firmly in the faith of Christ, so it withers and dies.

      Now you are worse off than when you began, your heart has become hardened, you have elevated SELF above God. As to no need for fear of hell, tell me please, why then restrain yourself from any evil your heart desires? After all, when you die you would cease to exist, being annihilated and so why, other than fear of of prison do you not do whatever you want. Oh wait, perhaps you restrain yourself because you fear punishment here by the authorities or you fear the disapproval of family or friends, but no matter the root, you do good out of fear of man, you just do not fear God who can cast you into hell? You fear temporal, time limited punishment or disapproval which is another kind of punishment, but you do not fear God and everlasting punishment.

      Well, I hope that before it is too late the Lord may still call you to Himself, but I must say that it is a very high mountain to climb, because you have hardened your heart to Him.

      • M Diaz

        ok so if what you are saying is true, then it is better to live without my integrity?
        if you and i both have a carnal mind, since we are communicating through that capacity, what is it that you have that distinguishes your real and true understanding of this supreme being from my understanding of it…what separates your wishful thinking from faith?

        • Fundisi

          Romans 8: “7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.”

          I Corinthians 2: “16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord
          so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.”

          Being born again of His Spirit, I have the mind of Christ within, to the degree I turn to Him and submit to His thoughts within. It is an inner knowing of God’s Will and Way, versus the carnal mind, like your own, that does not know God nor can you. “Ye must be born again!”

          • M Diaz

            you didn’t answer my question
            is it better to live without my integrity?

          • Fundisi

            What is your integrity, it represents the values of a frail, finite, sinful man and they are not of God and thus are unwholesome things. There is nothing in you, in me, in any man of the flesh which is not selfish, corrupt and without value in this life or eternity.

          • M Diaz

            “What is your integrity”

            it is the quality of being honest with myself

            “There is nothing in you, in me, in any man of the flesh which is not selfish, corrupt and without value in this life or eternity.”

            speak for yourself, i value and i make meaning for my life…
            the idea of eternity is not relevant to me right here and right now…so then you choosing to believe in order to be saved is a selfish in and of it self, if you are not choosing to be saving you, who then are you saving when you choose to believe?

          • phshaw

            Diaz…after reading your exchanges with the others on this thread, the main difference appears to be that your emphasis is on self, while their emphasis is on Christ, and more specifically what Christ has done for them. Ultimately that is the main difference between true Christians and all non believers in Christ. To the Christian, it is not “I” but Christ who lives in me. To the non believer it is typically what I can or have done for myself.

          • M Diaz

            “while their emphasis is on Christ”

            based on what though, they have yet to demonstrate they are not Christ…

            “and more specifically what Christ has done for them.”

            again, how do they know it’s not what they have done for themselves…what is the criteria available that can establish Christ is actually doing anything at all?

            “Ultimately that is the main difference between true Christians and all non believers in Christ.”

            wishful thinking..but you see there is a really big problem with this ideology. It has given ppl who are already predisposed to sociopathic tendencies, like murdering their children in the name of faith healing, discrimination and even shooting ppl or just recently beating up ppl in order to save them…

            “To the Christian, it is not “I” but Christ who lives in me”

            i think it is an abhorrent idea to be telling ppl they are broken by default…because no one has been able to demonstrate they are not the Jesus they conjure up in their mind, as they kneel before themselves and pray to themselves…Jesus is a band aid, and robs ppl of their power, because after all, it’s in the power of belief that comes from the believer…no one else is responsible for choosing to believe on can over come whatever one is going through…

            “To the non believer it is typically what I can or have done for myself.”

            exactly, as no believer has been able to demonstrate that it isn’t them.

          • The Last Trump

            Forget this clown. Loves the attention.
            Has turned his back on Christianity and so decided to haunt this Christian website every day with the aim of “converting” the rest of us.
            What a sad waste of time!

          • lynn

            No.

          • M Diaz

            then holding ones integrity against them certainly seems like a very shallow thing to do, don’t you think..??? so going back to the “what if you’re wrong???” question, according to my integrity, i’m not wrong for remaining consistent with the criteria i hold to establish if something was real or not, and if one requires for me to be inconsistent with myself, then that would mean that person just wants to be regarded as as someone to be feared, and usually they are referred to as bullies.

          • lynn

            I in no way would ask you to be dis-honest with yourself, or for that matter, anyone else. The question was designed to get you to think about it. Oviously you are a thinker, and a very inteligent one at that. Not trying to boost your ego.

          • M Diaz

            i don’t think intelligence has anything to do with it, it’s about questioning everything…

          • lynn

            I am old enough to know that there is no way I can win an argument with a female. I have had plenty of experience argueing with my dear wife of 48 years. She has always gotten the last word.

          • M Diaz

            now that is intelligence

            😉

    • Dave

      M Diaz, how can anyone save themselves by choosing to believe? If you have to “choose to believe” it’s because you don’t believe, and you are forcing your will to do something blindly. Faith is an unconditional gift of God, a fruit of His Spirit. You have to already be saved (have the Holy Spirit) in order to have faith, it is a fruit and evidence of salvation. You are not saved because you believe, you believe because you are saved.

      • M Diaz

        “how can anyone save themselves by choosing to believe? ”

        is it not your belief that you believe you are saved?

        isn’t it based on what one believes?

        “If you have to “choose to believe” it’s because you don’t believe, and you are forcing your will to do something blindly”

        agreed, at one point a person chose to believe and because of that belief they are now believers, yes?

        “Faith is an unconditional gift of God, a fruit of His Spirit.”

        since there is no way you can demonstrate that then that is what you believe

        “You have to already be saved (have the Holy Spirit) in order to have faith,”

        agreed, it’s based on what you believe

        “it is a fruit and evidence of salvation”

        is the fruit wishful thinking of salvation?

        “You are not saved because you believe, you believe because you are saved.”

        but how does one get saved in the first place, is it not through believing?

        • Dave

          @ M Diaz, Ephesians 2:8 For by grace (unmerited favor) are ye saved through faith; and that (faith) not of yourselves: it (faith) is the gift of God:

          • M Diaz

            what is the difference between faith and wishful thinking?

          • Dave

            Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

            It is a spiritual awareness that happens after a person is Born Again.

            John 1:12 – 13; But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

            V13 Which were born, not of blood (Abraham’s offspring), nor of the will of the flesh (free will/choice), nor of the will of man (free will), but of God.

          • M Diaz

            so there is no difference between wishful thinking and faith then cause the definition of wishful thinking is

            “the formation of beliefs and making decisions according to what might be pleasing to imagine instead of by appealing to evidence,rationality, or reality. It is a product of resolving conflicts between belief and desire.”

            i certainly understand why children do this, but i see no rational reason to suggest adults should

          • Dave

            It’s not the same. Wishful thinking leads a person buys a lottery ticket. Faith is the money in hand, so to speak. God gives it to you. It’s an inner confidence that Jesus paid all of your debt for sin. He met all of the demands of God’s justice on your behalf, to the extent there’s nothing more you can contribute. When you turn from your sins in thanksgiving, it is a certain proof that He died for you, else you wouldn’t believe enough to repent.

          • M Diaz

            “Wishful thinking leads a person buys a lottery ticket”

            no that would be hope..

            however, EXPECTING to win is wishful thinking which is a hoped for the evidence of things not seen, in this case winning the lottery

            “Faith is the money in hand”

            nope, that would be fact cause winning is something seen, not hoped for

            “God gives it to you”

            as you wish it, does not make it so.

            “It’s an inner confidence that Jesus paid all of your debt for sin. He met all of the demands of God’s justice on your behalf”

            for me that is a morally corrupt ideology because i own my culpability…no one can take that away as my integrity will not allow me to let anyone do that.

            “When you turn from your sins in thanksgiving,”

            i can’t be thankful for something i find morally reprehensible such as abandoning my culpability

            “it is a certain proof that He died for you,”
            nope, there is no way you can demonstrate that unless you believe you really want that to be true makes it so, but nonetheless, you cannot demonstrate that assertion, i.e. wishful thinking, but then again, my integrity will not allow me to accept that being that i find it to be a morally corrupt idea

            “else you wouldn’t believe enough to repent.”

            not sure what you mean, i feel remorse when i fail my integrity

            can you demonstrate for me an act that a believer can do that a non believer cannot? or is that in the realm of your wishful thinking that there is something a believer can do that a non believer can’t, such as appealing to wishful thinking?

          • Dave

            M Diaz asks; “can you demonstrate for me an act that a believer can do that a non believer cannot?”

            Yes. I can think of many things I can do as a believer that I could not do before God gave me faith. I would no doubt sound self- righteous if I were to list them, so I won’t, but my life in Christ is totally foreign and has been far more difficult and grueling than the life I sought in my unregenerate state.

            I’ve heard Christians say similar things so it’s not just me.

          • M Diaz

            ” I would no doubt sound self- righteous if I were to list them”

            then you cannot demonstrate it.

            “and has been far more difficult and grueling than the life I sought in my unregenerate state.”

            i suppose some need to be taught those things, you don’t think those that are unbelievers are generally in a unregenerate state do you?

            “I’ve heard Christians say similar things so it’s not just me.”

            yea, i’ve heard Muslims and Buddhist say it too, which makes me wonder if it’s really just a state of mind

          • Fundisi

            You have been thoroughly and most accurately schooled on the faith by Dave. All you have is your hatred of Christ to lead you where I assure you that you will not want to go.

          • M Diaz

            “You have been thoroughly and most accurately schooled on the faith by Dave”

            Dave is a pedophile
            and so are you…

          • Fundisi

            That is libel, that is incredibly vile and I demand an apology.

          • M Diaz

            since you can’t prove you are not a pedophile, then that must mean you are….

            see how that works, you silly twit?

          • Fundisi

            I have flagged your comments, you made criminal accusations against us and that is libelous and you must either apologize or I will appeal to CNN to have you banned.

          • M Diaz

            i already reported you as a pedophile…so i suppose you are going to have to provide evidence to the contrary, if you can’t then you must be one, right?

          • lynn

            What was that all about? There was a good discussion going on and “BAM” .

          • M Diaz

            someone left the party and deleted their posts…hahhah

          • Paul Hiett

            People like Dave, and Gary, and Fundisi can never actually provide any valid information, but then claim they did despite saying nothing.

          • Fundisi

            The problem is, we waste time answering in great detail, based on the Bible and only to have you atheists try only and turn and rend us, just like Jesus told us would happen.

          • M Diaz

            actually, it’s pretty obvious when the arrogance self righteous speak, they doom themselves because they continually fail in demonstrating their assertions of self importance…
            i wonder if you have an extra chromosome

          • M Diaz

            well i know for a fact these guys are pedophiles, and since they haven’t provided evidence to the contrary, then that MUST mean they are, right?
            😉

          • The Last Trump

            Thanks for setting us straight Paul. Don’t know what we’d do here without you pointing out all of the Christians on the Christian website to avoid. NOW it’s Dave, Gary, and Fundisi eh? Shocker.

            “I didn’t lump everyone in with you…I singled you out and no others.”

            Uh huh. Riiiight.
            Attack Christians is all you do here. Not surprising. You atheists are so terrified of religion that you spend every waking moment in battle against a God you claim doesn’t exist. Too cute.
            Good luck with that you poor misguided loon, you!

          • M Diaz

            “You atheists are so terrified of …”
            the christian sociopathy that has enabled for the death of innocent children in the name of faith healing and the dehumanization of women and the LGBTQ community…you moron..

          • lynn

            Sarcasm does not help. If there is truly anythin to be accomplished on the behalf of Christ, the Holy Spirit will have to be power thereof.

          • Dave

            One cannot provide evidence of there being such a thing as color to a blind man either.

          • M Diaz

            hahhah…can you see infrared?
            psst, your hubris is embarrassing

          • Dave

            Jesus said unless a person is Born Again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God. He says the Kingdom of God comes not with observation, it is among us. That is, it is here now, but unless a person is Born of the Holy Spirit, they cannot see it. Unless God shows you, anything from the Bible will fall short in your estimation. Paul says the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit God, they will perceive them as foolishness. If at one time you had true faith, you would still believe. He says whoever is Born of God overcomes. So either you have not yet overcome, or you are judging me by something you really never knew anything about.

          • M Diaz

            “Jesus said unless a person is Born Again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God. ”

            in order for you to make this statement relevant to me, and if you really want me to take you seriously, it is your responsibility to substantiate HOW and WHY Jesus is relevant.

            you realize that when you say this: “Jesus said unless a person is Born Again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.”

            sounds like this to my ears :”Spiderman said unless a person is Born Again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.”

            are you capable of understanding that?

            so lets begin…
            demonstrate Jesus’ relevance to me

          • Fundisi

            Dave – below M. Diaz has accused you and I of being pedophiles, I have flagged his libelous comments. He cannot be allowed to make such vile accusations. CNN needs to ban him from this site.

          • lynn

            For one, I can rejoice in the Lord.

          • lynn

            Actually where he quoted that faith is the substance of things hoped for, the word “substance”is the point being left out in this discussion.

          • M Diaz

            substance is the desire…nothing exceptional about that…

          • Fundisi

            Another wholly Bible based answer.

          • lynn

            Faith has confidence. Wishful thinking has some hope.

          • M Diaz

            “Faith has confidence”

            faith is confidence in hope…

            according to dictionary.com:
            wishful thinking
            interpretation of facts, actions, words, etc., as one would like them tobe rather than as they really are; imagining as actual what is not

            seems an awful lot like confidence in things unseen (Hebrews)
            i see no difference

          • Fundisi

            It is exactly as you have stated it, even those words in brackets. That is Divine Truth.

    • lynn

      I don’t believe like you and I don’t like how you seem to jump on some folks, but I must say that by what you just said that your bark is a little more harsh than your bite. I appreciate what you said, and now I can understand you a little better. At least you have a heart. Thats not saying that I agree with you. I still think you need Jesus Christ in your life. I certainly dont’t hate you. Just saying.

      • M Diaz

        “I still think you need Jesus Christ in your life”
        if you can demonstrate why i do, that would be great, otherwise all you are saying is your experiences are all that should matter to me…

        • lynn

          What I think doesn’t really matter. I’m not anybody of significance. But what if I am right, and you are wrong? I will be happy either way, but if you are wrong????
          On a side note. Wonder what the homeless in Nashville, and many cities would do the rest of this week if it wasn’t for the Christian shelters? It is very cold for this part of the country. Supposed to be sub-zero tomorrow night. The mayor of Nashville said on the news this evening that over a thousand folks would be housed and fed in Christian shelters this week.
          By the way, you mentioned the children of some Christians die because their parents believe in faith healing and deny taking their children to a doctor. I do not believe nor do I support such things. I also don’t handle snakes. As a matter of fact, if you see me running, look behind me for the snake. Ha ha

          • M Diaz

            “What I think doesn’t really matter.”

            so why did you tell me what you thought?

            “But what if I am right, and you are wrong?”

            then you were right and i was wrong

            ” but if you are wrong????”

            i know what you are trying to do, it’s sweet.

            if i were wrong i would think, wow, this universe was controlled by an insecure being who needs me to believe in it in order for me to be ruled by it…seems rather superficial to me.

            “On a side note. Wonder what the homeless in Nashville, and many cities would do the rest of this week if it wasn’t for the Christian shelters?”

            being that Nashville wreaks of believers, not sure what your point is other then a silly attempt at a straw man, maybe?

            so again, can you demonstrate why i need Jesus in my life…yes or no?

          • lynn

            One reason would be so that I wouldn’t have to worry about your eternal happiness. Whether you can receive this or not, I do care.

          • lynn

            I have trouble typing on this tablet. I think it is about ready to bite the dust. And no, I don’t think praying for it will help. O me of little faith. =O(

          • M Diaz

            “One reason would be so that I wouldn’t have to worry about your eternal happiness”
            hmm, I wonder if this means it’s about you and not me…seems to me that you believe my eternal happiness depends on your experiences…sorry i don’t need to compare myself to others to feel better about myself.

          • lynn

            Neither do I. I have nothing at all to gain, or loose. O, wait, I could gain a brother of faith. I know you will come back with something.

          • M Diaz

            last i checked, i am of the female gender 😉

          • lynn

            My bad. Sorry about that. My tablet shows a little bitty icon.

  • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

    “Be careful how you advise them to go to other schools, where error is taught, in order to complete their education. Do not give them the impression that greater educational advantages are to be obtained by mingling with those who do not seek wisdom from God. The great men of Babylon were willing to be benefited by the instruction that God gave through Daniel, to help the king out of his difficulty by the interpretation of his dream. But they were anxious to mix in their heathen religion with that of the Hebrews. Had Daniel and his fellows consented to such a compromise, they would, in the view of the Babylonians, have been complete as statesmen, fit to be entrusted with the affairs of the kingdom. But the four Hebrews entered into no such arrangement. They were true to God, and God upheld them and honored them. The lesson is for us. “Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you”

    Thousands of reasons why government schools are not SAFE for our children: http://www.remnantofgod.org/archivedhomeschoolspurs.htm

  • Paul Hiett

    So homeschooled children, absent of knowledge of other religions, “choose” to remain in their faith? Really? This is somehow “news”??? If you indoctrinate anyone for that long, and remove their ability to actually learn about the world around them, it really should come as no surprise that they remain in their taught beliefs.

  • Magister_militum_praesentalis

    I have seen the exact opposite happen to homeschooled children to what many homeschooling families present as a Christian utopian situation.

    The can come out of the experience socially and intellectually unprepared if not stunted. Then, when they encounter the evils and temptations of “the world,” the dive in headlong out of curiosity, rebellion, or simply because what their parents thought was a Christian utopia was really a flimsy, generic foundation that was fed to them by those who developed the curriculum and sold it to the well-intentioned parents.

  • Tony Xavier

    I may be 46yrs old, I went through the public system and had a hazardous childhood, all I can say is that I still a Christian after 25yrs+

    • Fundisi

      What does that prove?

  • OldArkie

    So sad, many parents fail to teach their children as God instructs them. And in Christian schools and public schools they get mostly worldly education and do not get the education God has instructed us to give our children..

    De 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

    De 11:19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

  • BarkingDawg

    On the extreme end of that spectrum are dysfunctional families like this

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/14/homeschool-teen-can-t-prove-she-s-an-american.html

  • thoughtsfromflorida

    No surprise there, given the 24/7 indoctrination.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    America needs to fear God and go back to its most noble excellent roots, the Holy Bible, in order to live again.

    • Paul Hiett

      So, we all need to live based upon your choice of the 42,000 denominations of Christianity? Out of curiosity, why is your denomination better than the other 41,999?

      • lynn

        You are correct in that there are so many faulse beliefs, or denominations today. There are many false teachings which are mostly considered standard in most churches. For example; Most have an alter call at the end of the preaching. Nowhere in the New Testament can you find anybody calling for an invitation hyme to be sung and for sinners to either come up front, or to just raise their hand. Nowhere can it be found in the bible for a sinner to just repeat somebody’s made up sinners prayer. I can, t even find where somebody said “repeat after me”. A person must pray for themselves. All that is required is to
        hear the gosple, repent, and believe with all your heart that Jesus died for you and paid your sin debt. Anything beyond that becomes works, and we are plainly told that all of our works before a Holy God are as filthy rags.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Most of the denominations are fine unless they deny the doctrines of the Holy Trinity and unless they approve infanticide and sexual immorality. America needs to stop hating Christianity which is the only good and true religion on Earth. America is just bad and immoral if it has no Christianity because Christianity is America’s conscience. Man is worthless without his conscience.

  • love your neighbor

    My comment does not get posted? I guess because I’m not willing to “go after” the others, I’m not deemed worthy enough for comments. Y’all need to realize this stuff pits Christians against each other while slandering each other. These moderators love this stuff. Do yourselves a favor and do a word study of “slander” in the Bible.

    This World is so far gone. My Bible says to not be offended; to be Holy as the Lord is Holy. Without Holiness, no man will see Heaven. Hhmmm…

  • jyladvik

    This is the wrong reason to homeschool. And please don’t teach your kids that the earth is only 5,000 years old. This belief is not real science. Also, please vaccinate your children so that they don’t cause someone else to get sick. Your childs’ measles could infect an infant who is too young to receive the vaccine; german measles and other diseases could cause a pregnant woman to miscarry. If you believe unborn life is sacred, please consider this viewpoint. Homeschool if you must, but don’t teach junk science and superstition to your children.

  • sammy13

    Well, there is certainly less peer pressure.

  • Clin_Ton

    I agree that it shouldn’t become the main reason for homeschooling and parents must
    realize that not every person can educate children. You can be perfect, loving
    parent, but don’t have enough skills to teach or just rely on 24/7 essay
    writers
    to get at least some understanding of modern standards and requirements.
    If you worry about peer pressure, I would like to say that it wouldn’t vanish
    in future, but during school years a child has an opportunity to learn how to
    oppose it and achieve his aims.