Controversy Stirs as ‘Prophet’ Chuck Pierce Bestows ‘Mantle’ on Mormon Glenn Beck

Pierce BeckCORINTH, Texas — Controversy is stirring over reports that “prophet” and speaker Chuck Pierce of Glory of Zion International Ministries ceremonially gave a “mantle” to popular radio host, author and speaker Glenn Beck, who identifies as a Mormon.

Beck appeared at Pierce’s Global Spheres Center in Corinth, Texas this past Sunday, as Falma Rufus, a black civil rights speaker, had reportedly asked Pierce if he would host her family and Beck’s. Pierce posted a photo of Beck’s appearance later that day, which showed Beck being imparted with a spiritual “mantle” as a Jewish tallit was wrapped around him and his wife.

“We were so honored to have Glenn Beck and his family with us at Global Spheres Center this morning!” Pierce wrote. “Here is Glenn receiving his new mantle for the future!”

But some of Pierce’s followers expressed disapproval and were perplexed as to why Pierce would have spiritually embraced a follower of Mormonism.

“I am not saying to not show Christ love and kindness to Glenn, but he is an open LDS member and his belief system is not of a Christian, period,” one commenter wrote. “The church cheered when he talked about being baptized, [but] he was referring to being inducted into the LDS and the church cheered! Smh.”

“I like and pray for Glenn and his wife. I hope they find true spiritual liberty in Christ alone,” another stated. “However, bestowing alleged authority on those who are still avowed members of a non-Christian cult only muddies the ecclesiastical waters in an hour when the Church greatly needs pure fountains that run with the authority of the Word of God.”

Pierce soon stepped in to offer a defense of his invitation and actions, stating that the mantle was to have been on behalf of the nation of Israel since Beck shares “common ground” with Christians in that he supports Israel and its people.

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“Glenn Beck is devoted to Israel. The mantle was given from Israel,” he wrote. “Many Jews have never had salvation experiences. Many individuals in Methodist, Baptist, Catholic churches, etc. may have never ever had salvation experiences. However, one could bear witness to Glenn’s testimony.”

On Monday, Pierce provided a separate and more thorough explanation on Facebook.

“Concerning Glenn Beck and his family, I enjoyed being with and hosting them. Jesus would have done the same,” he said. “Glenn is a Mormon. However, many prophets have prophesied that those in the Mormon religion will have revival. How would that ever happen without someone like Falma praying and someone like me opening my heart to embrace the opportunity?”

“Glenn Beck, like Cyrus, has a voice to change this nation. Cyrus had God’s mantle to do so. Mr. Beck also has a mantle now that can be used to spread a new fire in this land,” Pierce continued. “He has a heart to see our nation continue to embrace Israel. That is our common ground. If he continues to embrace the God of Israel, then he will eventually know His fullness.”

But some state that Pierce’s reasoning is faulty and demonstrates a lack of discernment.

“I am deeply saddened by the actions of Chuck Pierce. Any credibility in this man ever had is destroyed by this act,” Ed Decker of Saints Alive in Jesus, a former Mormon of 20 years, told Christian News Network on Thursday.

“Chuck Pierce has the audacity to proclaim that his actions come from the throne of the Holy God,” he said. “This is a man who claims to be a pipeline from God, filled to overflowing with the Holy Spirit, anointed of God to proclaim the living word of God.”

“Having proclaimed that position for himself, he then does a thing so blasphemous that he should be drummed out of the real Church as a false prophet and a man bringing doctrines and actions of demons,” Decker stated. “For Chuck Pierce to claim that he was instructed of God to lay hands and [bestow] a holy mantle … for a man claiming a false priesthood, who sits under an exalted man-god who lives on a planet near the great star Kolob with his many goddess wives—that claim is of the father of lies, coming from the mouth of a very false prophet.”

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  • TheBBP

    How is this controversy? One is a known heretic, the other is a Mormon.

    • Sparky

      And only you have the truth?

      • TheBBP

        Of course not. I have access to it though. You do too. I encourage you to listen to the teachings of Chuck Pierce and cross-check them with the Word of God. Also do some Biblical research on Prophets and if we might have any today.

  • thoughtsfromflorida

    It’s always entertaining to see Christians argue about who is a “real” Christian and who is not. It appears that the defining piece of information is: “if they agree with my interpretation they are a real Christian – if they don’t – they aren’t.” Such hubris.

    • Paul Hiett

      42,000 and counting…

      • Marvels of life

        This list accounts for the religions of over 98% of the world’s population.
        Source: This world religions listing is derived from the statistics data in the Adherents.com database. The list was created by the same people who collected and organized this database, in consultation with university professors of comparative religions and scholars from different religions.

        Christianity: 2.1 billion
        Islam: 1.5 billion
        Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist/Religious with no affiliation 1.1 billion
        Hinduism: 900 million
        Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
        Buddhism: 376 million
        primal-indigenous: 300 million
        African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
        Sikhism: 23 million
        Juche: 19 million
        Spiritism: 15 million
        Judaism: 14 million
        Baha’i: 7 million
        Jainism: 4.2 million
        Shinto: 4 million
        Cao Dai: 4 million
        Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
        Tenrikyo: 2 million
        Neo-Paganism: 1 million
        Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
        Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
        Scientology: 500 thousand

        We are using the groupings most described used in contemporary comparative religion literature (listed above). Each of these “world religions” is actually a classification of multiple distinct movements, sects, divisions, denominations, etc. None of these world religions is a single, unified, monolithic organization. The diversity within these groupings varies. Hinduism is often described as a collection very different traditions, bound by a geographical and national identity. So broad is this religious “umbrella” that it includes clearly polytheistic, tritheistic, monotheistic, pantheistic, nontheistic, and atheistic traditions.

        • Cary

          I don´t see Mormonism on your list, at nearly 16 million, so I assume they are included under Christian. Nice to see that someone educated agrees that they are Christian.

          • Marvels of life

            That is a branch of Christians, so the numbers included are the major religion groups. Thank you for your kind remarks. I appreciate that very much.

          • lindywise

            Mormons are not Christians. They deny that Jesus Christ is God, come in the flesh, fully God and fully man. They deny the trinity, they deny salvation through the blood and resurrection of Jesus Christ of Nazareth–they believe that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. Not my brother in the Lord.

      • Oboehner

        Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’.

    • Sparky

      Sorry, Jesus taught us to love one another, He also complained that the religious leader didn’t keep the commandments of God but turned their rules into commandments. It appears to be the same in the church today.

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        “Sorry, Jesus taught us to love one another,”

        Jesus taught that we SHOULD love one another. Unfortunately, his teaching on that has not been taken to heart by most.

        • Richard

          Isn’t that hypocritical of you to use a verse to support your beliefs yet reject the entire notion of God from which the verse was taken?

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            How so?

    • Marvels of life

      You will find that to be true in many cases, including science, literature, music, the fine arts, I could go on but you get the idea. I have yet to see agreement in comment sections from an atheist and an atheist, or opinions on evolution, the cosmos, even what is the best way to cook a steak lol. In all likely hood you’ve been entertained for years if your reading comments from the many comment sections available.

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        While people may have different views of whether they like certain literature, music, or fine arts, I don’t often see people saying: “This is my view of what that piece of art is and if you don’t agree with my view, your view is definitively wrong and you don’t really know art”. or “this is the way I like steak, and if you don’t agree with me, then you aren’t a “real” carnivore.” So I don’t think your comparison are apt.

        “In all likely hood you’ve been entertained for years”

        I have. I also find it amazing that although Christians cannot come to agreement on the totality of what is moral and what is not, some believe that it is reasonable that their interpretation should be a sole basis for the laws that govern all citizens.

        • Marvels of life

          How do you like your steak prepared. I like to prepare mine with salt, pepper and glaze it with Worcestershire during the cooking process to medium well. Would you agree that is the best way to prepare a steak such as a ribeye? What I’m saying is everyone is going to perceive things differently even Christians (since you singled them out). Congress and the senate and the administration can’t make up their collective minds on the laws that govern all citizens much less singling out Christians. I really don’t see your point as you have currently stated it.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            That’s not how I prefer my steak, but if that is how you like it, it is certainly not for me to tell you that you are wrong or that because you don’t agree with me regarding how to cook steak, that you aren’t a “true” carnivore.

            I agree that people have different views – particularly on matters of faith. My point was, that I find it interesting that, given the variety of views on religion, some people feel that it is reasonable to state that their chosen beliefs are the only “real” ones, and all others are false, when the truth is, they are all a matter of faith. It’s takes quite a bit of hubris to suggest that because one has chosen to believe something, that it is therefore definitively true and all other beliefs are false.

            For anyone to suggest that they are so all-knowing that they have an absolute awareness of God and his will, is quite presumptuous – particularly given that their only basis is that they have simply chosen to maintain a certain belief.

            “Congress and the senate and the administration can’t make up their collective minds on the laws that govern all citizens”

            Agreed. But what they are NOT doing, for the most part, is attempting to restrict how citizens pursue their happiness and restrict the activities of citizens based solely upon their personal religious beliefs. While some violate the public trust by attempting to do so, most do not.

          • Marvels of life

            I wouldn’t be supportive on restrictions and rights. It is important at least for me, to have the ultimate confidence that God is real, and Christ is his son. Faith is more than simply blind trust. It is through study, observation of other peoples perspectives and giving one’s life to what they know is the truth, again as individuals. For me I don’t claim to be all-knowing, I am knowing of my personal experiences and what I have seen throughout the years of my life. So it is important for me to be a follower of Christ and his message. God himself realized that there would be other “God’s” than himself that would be praised by man. That is why he stated, “Thou shall have no other (emphasize on other) gods before me. A part of the 10 commandments, while God knew that the Israelite people were making the golden calf image. Even in that time it showed how people will turn against God, I call him the true God because of my worldview and the Bible, so it would be impossible for me to conclude their are any greater gods than God himself. Some will certainly disagree with my worldview and perspective, I know that. On the steak matter, if I lived close enough to you, I would cook a good steak for you. Anyway you like it, but I would just ask that you tried my recipe, along with my hot buttered mushrooms. Of the few things that I’m good at, cooking a steak on the grill is one of my delights. it’s great to share such delights with others (when I can afford it lol). If you ever come this way I invite you to a steak dinner.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            I do love me some hot buttered mushrooms. Perhaps I’ll have the pleasure of taking you up on that offer. And the same holds for me should you make it my way.

            I do mushrooms in butter, with a little sherry, and cream.

          • Marvels of life

            Oh that sounds delicious. I think I could abandon my diabetes for one day to eat your mushrooms. I thank you for your kindness. Sincerely, I believe you to be a good man. I believe I did you a deservice when we began our conversation, and I apologize for that behavior. We may not always agree, but I respect your opinion and perspective.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            I appreciate your kind words.

          • lindywise

            Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Period.
            Romans 10:17

      • SpeakTruth

        There doesn’t have to be agreement among non-theists. The only thing that unites us is our not believing in something. Presumably you and I are non-believers in unicorns. We agree on that but, otherwise, we could disagree on everything else.
        Additionally, scientists may disagree, but that is part of the process.

        • Marvels of life

          As is true of Christians. The thing that unites Christians is Christ. I’m not sure what relevance unicorns has but I’m sure you were making a point. My observation has been that scientists interpret the data differently after such tests going on at CERN as an example. Certainly when you have 500 to 1000 physicists looking through the data, they won’t be seeing the same things from each individuals perception of the data, and I agree it is part of the process. If I may you state that you are united in not believing something. Is that equally being said that “something” is “God”? I appreciate your comment. My hope is that people can disagree without personal attacks. Sticking with the issue or article is my goal. There has been too much harm done in the name of discussion and you can clearly see it in the comments being made. Don’t get me wrong I’m not perfect, I’m just working on my approach, and asking others to do the same.

          • SpeakTruth

            You seem very kind and reasonable. I have enjoyed reading your comments even if I don’t agree with everything you say. Apparently I did a bad job of making my point. I was responding to your comment that the differing opinions/beliefs/dogma among Christians is equally seen in other groups i.e. atheists and scientists. My point was that atheists and scientists, for example, have nothing that unifies them like Christians. Debate and questioning are encouraged and expected within those groups. However, Christians do have things that unify them: Jesus as well as the bible itself. You don’t hear atheists tell each other they aren’t a “true atheist”. Shouldn’t a belief in Jesus and his teachings prevent such animosity towards other Christians?

          • Marvels of life

            This was Jesus perspective in discussing what your asking with his disciples: Although you may find it odd, Jesus anticipated that question and here is what he said:

            26“So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.
            27What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs.
            28Do
            not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
            Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
            29Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care.b

            30And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
            31So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

            32“Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.
            33But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.

            34“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
            35For I have come to turn

            “ ‘a man against his father,

            a daughter against her mother,

            a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

            36a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’c

            37“Anyone
            who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me;
            anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
            38Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
            39Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

            40“Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me.
            41Whoever
            welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and
            whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a
            righteous person’s reward.
            42And
            if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones
            who is my disciple, truly I tell you, that person will certainly not
            lose their reward.”

            You can see here that Jesus spoke with authority and acknowledged there would not always be agreement. And yet the end of his message again was about love and how love for someone else is love for him. Maybe that will clarify it for you. Have a great evening.

          • Marvels of life

            I wanted to add, you too seem very kind and reasonable. I appreciate what you commented about me. That means a lot to me. Thank you

    • NNNNNNNNNNoooClintonplz

      no if they agree with what the Bible says they are Christian. AND you are not to allow a church to tell you if it is right. BUT you have to KNOW for yourself. If you are confused about what is right your church probably is not teaching it right.

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        “If you are confused about what is right your church probably is not teaching it right.”

        Yet every church believes that they are teaching it right, and that the other sects of Christianity are not. So, which church is right? Baptist? Southern Baptist? Presbyterian? Mormon? Catholic? Amish? Mennonite? Church of Christ Scientists? Or some other one?

    • TJefferson44

      It’s not “hybrid” it’s called discerned according to the Scriptures. Jesus understood it when the religious sect of the Pharisees accused him of not being of God. He in turn said, “if God were your father you would love me. You are of your father the devil. And the desires of your father you will do.”

    • TJefferson44

      5 minutes ago
      It’s not “hubris.” It’s called discerned according to the Scriptures. Jesus understood it when the religious sect of the Pharisees accused him of not being of God as they thought they were. He in turn said, “if God were your father you would love me. You are of your father the devil. And the desires of your father you will do.”

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        it most certainly is hubris to suggest that because one has decided to believe in a certain interpretation of the Bible, that their interpretation is the only right one and all others are wrong.

        • Oboehner

          Do tell why you choose to troll this site.

        • Richard

          There is truth and error. They both can’t be the same.

          To discern between the two requires knowledge, intelligence, and diligence. If you don’t partake in any of these, you’ll fall for anything…as you seem to have.

          • Cary

            Richard, it takes more than knowledge, intelligence, and diligence to discern truth. It requires the Gift of the Holy Ghost. The modern so-called Christian churches do not have that gift, and that is why there so many of them, each teaching their own little version of the gospel, all of which are false. That is why shysters and con-men like Chuck Pierce get away with claiming to be prophets, and thousands of people believe and follow. None of today´s “Christian” churches have the gift of discernment, because they do not have the gift of the Holy Ghost, nor the authority from God to go around claiming that they do.

          • LightningJoe

            Pretty succinct there, Cary, but you missed a cog.

            Because even that Holy Spirit you cite, is a simple brain circuit whose content varies from person to person, and culture to culture.

            The Holy Spirit of Islam is different from the Holy Spirit of Mormonism, is different from the Holy Spirit of the HRCC, is different from the Holy Spirit of the Southern Baptists… et al.

            IT ALL HAPPENS INSIDE OF YOUR OWN BRAIN… duh.

          • Cary

            Given that Allah and the Christian God and the Jewish God are all considered to be the same being, he Holy Spirit that Islam believes in is also considered to be the same as that referenced in the Old and New Testaments; which means its the same as the one referenced by Mormons, Southern Baptist, etc. Sorry, I have no idea what HRCC is supposed to stand for.

            Whatever brain circuit you are referencing, be assured it has nothing to do the The Holy Spirit.

          • Cary

            Never mind, figured it out. HRCC=Holy Roman Catholic Church

          • LightningJoe

            Hey, I never said brain circuits would reliably give you an angle on REALITY, did I? Especially brain-circuits so far out of their proper zone as to trumpet giving us some sort of all-encompassing TruthForAllTime…

            As for having anything at all to do with the STORY of the Holy Spirit… don’t make me laugh.

          • lindywise

            All due respect, Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life and noone comes to the Father but by Him. Jews, Islam, mormons, JW’s, etc do not serve the Jesus Christ of Nazareth as proclaimed by the infallible, uncorrubtible seed, the King James bible.

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    • Tyler Mitchell

      Umm ace…there is only one Christian that is Christ.The question you’re asking my naive friend is who the real Yeshua is.The Biblical view of Yeshua…the mormon view of Yeshua…the jhw view of Yeshua…the jewish view of Yeshua,,,the islamic view of Yeshua…or the secular view of Yeshua.None of these are anything a like.

      The “talent” of the trolls on here seem to get dumber and dumber every year.Now THAT is entertaining.

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        Actually, no, I am referring to the fact that within the Christian religion, there are multiple views as to what a true “Christian” is.

    • Peter Leh

      “”if they agree with my interpretation they are a real Christian – if they don’t – they aren’t.””

      judging another is a about power. those in power are not likely to give it up, willingly.

      as christians we give pastors and and others too much power, imo

    • Oboehner

      It’s always most entertaining to see non-believing trolls on a Christian news site. It’s also entertaining when they make ignorant comments about a belief they don’t have a clue about.

      • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

        You use of the pejorative term “troll” implies that only people who agree with one another (and according to your definition) should participate in these discussions. However, this site states that “…while there is a spectrum of theological differences, Christian News
        Network aims to fairly represent both positions on a given issue.” I was drawn here by vitriolic and uninformed attacks on the Roman Catholic Church and continue to visit it so that I can defend my beliefs against such ignorant and hostile discussion. If that’s “trolling” then I suppose one could fairly say you are “sniping.”

        • Oboehner

          The RCC is merely re-dressed paganism with some Christian sounding name tacked on. It ignores and in some cases actually changes scripture. Maybe you should move on over to catholic news and take your evolutionism with you.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Unlike the Protestants who simply discarded (or tried to discard) the parts of the Bible that clashed with their theology. The Catholic Church established the Canon of Scripture, it was Protestants who changed it. Read your history.

          • Oboehner

            You must be referring to the “parts of the Bible” added to it after the fact. Sorry, the RCC uses the corrupted Alexandrian text, and despite the lifelong CCD brainwashing, the RCC did more to distort scripture than to save it – read history other than RCC history.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            After what fact? What was the date? Your reference is to two greek translations of the LXX, the Masoretic and the Alexandrine. That has no bearing on either the New testament or the inter-testamental texts.

            If you REALLY want to get into a discussion of the source texts you can meet me on my blog biblebelievingchristians dot blogspot dot com. This site will kick you out if you embed urls.

          • Oboehner

            How about the original Torah canonized by the Jews long before the twisted RCC came about. Or perhaps you are referring to some RCC New Testament add-ons. Speaking of removing scripture, what ever happened to the graven image commandment?

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            You mean like Solid Rock Church,Monroe OH?

          • Oboehner

            Probably not.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            And, just to be clear, in the 16th century, Martin Luther put the Deuterocanonical books in an appendix, books that the Christian Church considered canonical up to that time. He did not remove hem. He also put the
            letter of James, the letter to the Hebrews, the letters of John, and
            the book of Revelation from the New Testament in an appendix.
            He did this for doctrinal reason.

          • Oboehner

            Don’t much care what Luther did, I know he’s the arch enemy, but I’m not Lutheran. The Textus Receptus is still intact.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            So are you Zwinglian or Calvinist because all of Protestant theology is based on one of those three strains.

          • Oboehner

            Gotta have a label. Are you Vatican 1, Vatican 2 or holding out for Vatican 3?

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Catholic and catholic, both senses.

          • Oboehner

            You failed to answer the question.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            My God, are you this obtuse deliberately? Vatican councils do not change but rather clarify Catholic doctrine. So to answer this absurd question: Yes, yes and yes.

          • Oboehner

            That is false, the RCC has changed many things claiming they “re-read” the original text, which only means they were wrong all these years or they are twisting it now – or both. I’ll say both.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Well, you certainly are an expert on Catholicism. How can anyone argue with the depth of your knowledge? So just answer me this, am I and all the other converts from evangelicalism to Catholicism, numbering in the thousands, men and women of thorough biblical knowledge (including many pastors), are we stupid or just deluded?

          • Oboehner

            You tell me what you would call following a false religion with a mere man calling himself the replacement of Christ?

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            You tell me. I said “Stupid or deluded?”

          • Oboehner

            There are a number of possible scenarios, since you are the one living it, you tell me – I’m sure I don’t know the reason catholics do what they do, I can only speculate.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            I am Catholic because I found the true Church there. I could speculate as to why you harbor such petty resentments, but there are bigger fish to fry.

          • Oboehner

            Mary worship is “true”? The pope is actually the replacement for Christ? I could go on and on and speaking of fish fry…

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Read “Surprised by Truth” if you actually have an open mind. I don’t have time to write a whole book here discussing your theology. Otherwise, get on your bus to Heaven. You may be shocked by who you see there.

          • Oboehner

            I prefer to read the Word of God when looking for truth. You may be shocked as well.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Actually I have read the Word of God quite thoroughly and have an understanding that does not jibe with yours. If admitting that I may be right in any way is such a threat to your belief system that we can’t have a reasonable discussion, then I have nothing more to say.

          • Oboehner

            Contradictions are not right.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            I predict that you will respond to this post because you always have to have the last word.

          • Oboehner

            I predict that you will respond to this post because you always have to have the last word.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Of course I’ll be shocked. We all think we can separate sheep from goats by what we see on the outside. And we’re probably not as good at it as we think. Only God can truly discern the heart.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            I have no quarrel with Luther. You can meet me on my blog site if you want to go into this in depth. Over and out.

          • lindywise

            Not

      • Marvels of life

        What I find is that people like thoughtsfromflorida have a logical approach to issues. I’ve spoken with him often and though we disagree on issues, nonetheless we can be civil. So far I have not seen that out of your comments and when you personally attack people instead of the issue, it really can be offensive in nature. You have attacked me personally and I am a brother in Christ. Consider working on that approach of yours. I think you will find being kind to people even in disagreement holds much more weight. I’m not trying to offend you. I’m just hoping your able to take a little constructive criticism from a person that is trying to change my own approach to these discussions. I have found most people are receptive to the idea of disagreement, or agreement without anger or personal attacks and its a great feeling to come away with knowing a discussion doesn’t hurt but can actually be pleasant.

        • Oboehner

          I have attacked you personally? Really?

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Your question isn’t rational. Can you explain in more detail? Thanks.

          • Peter Leh

            imo it is the “rush limbaughification” of christianity to the point we have exchanged our religion for politics.

            talk radio has killed rational conversation

            all the while rush is laughing all the way to the bank 🙂

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Ugh, Rush certainly isn’t one of my favorite’s. Ever hear of Alex Jones? The Infowars guy. What do you think about him?

          • Peter Leh

            not yet.

            Truthfully i have given up politics and can;t believe the freedom. moreover the illumination to the terrible things i USE to say.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Wow do I understand that statement. Thank you for your comment.

      • lindywise

        I would prefer they go elsewhere as I come here for fellowship and instead have to wade through their miry muck.

    • LightningJoe

      “It’s always entertaining to see Christians argue about who is a “real” Christian and who is not.”

      The “True Christian” fallacy, is how ALL Xians look at the issue of their own beliefs.

    • W Dean Shook

      What’s really hubris is to see someone who clearly knows nothing about it, spout comments that prove that. If you don’t know what your talking about its better to stay silent then to prove your ignorance. seems your “thoughts from Florida” are better left unsaid. just trying to save you some embarrassment .

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        Since you said nothing that refutes my statement, it seems clear that you would benefit from taking your own advice.

    • Peter Leh

      yep

  • Magister_militum_praesentalis

    What a laughingstock.

  • Olivia Mobley

    What’s the use of reporting this? It’s just to get their names in the news. They are all phoney. The world will be destroyed because there is no good here anymore. What I read on Facebook is right. There is a highway to hell but only a stairway to heaven, so that gives you an idea about the amount of people going where.

    • Sparky

      Look for the truth in the Bible, not facebook. Jesus said the path is narrow but the road to destruction is wide. Follow Jesus He will lead you to the narrow path.

  • Alexander Cisneros

    This man is a fraud. Plain and simple. There is only one living prophet on the earth at his time. His name is thomas s. monson. He is sustained as the prophet, seer and revelator for the earth in these latter days. Yes we are Christians. We follow Christ and his teachings. There are so many lies about us and what we “really” believe it’s crazy. If ou want to know what we believe, just ask us, were happy to share the truth.

    • Sparky

      Rather presumptuous of you to think that the president of your particular religion is the “only” prophet on earth. Paul told us to pray for the gift of prophecy, there are 2 tests of a prophet. 1 did what he said happen? 2 does his words conflict with the Holy Scriptures. I have heard a few true prophets in my life. One just passed away John Paul Jackson

  • Sparky

    You know, I’ve heard Glenn speak about The Father and the Messiah Jesus enough that I am not going to judge him. It sounds like we worship the same God, so maybe we do it differently. How many of you keep holy the Sabbath, not sunday but the Sabbath as God commanded. I personally have quit with religion, I read my Bible, fellowship with others, and try my best to keep God’s commandments. By reading some of these replies many have a problem with the new commandment that Jesus gave us. That we should love one another until He returns

  • scriptdreamer

    I am saddened that Pierce did this. Even sadder that he’s defending it. And even more sad that many people in the comments section here seem to not know a lick of the basics and essentials of the bible. One person says that we have “hubris” for claiming we know the truth. Isn’t that contradictory? One thing Pierce did say was right is that there are many in legit Christian denominations that may be members of their churches but have yet been born again. IN an age of massive and thorough volumes of materials on the bible, and a bible or two on everyone’s shelves, that no one reads or understands it. That is because only the spiritual person can understand and not the natural one.

    • thoughtsfromflorida

      “One person says that we have “hubris” for claiming we know the truth.”

      “The truth” indicates that what you have chosen to believe and how you have chosen to interpret the Bible is “the” truth and all others are not. That is hubris.

      Why are you “saddened” that Pierce has done this? Oh, right, because his actions as a Christian don’t match up to what you think a Christian should do, therefore he is wrong. Hubris.

      • scriptdreamer

        The irony is that you are upholding “your” truth over what I believe, and in your statement you appear to be saying there is no knowable truth, which is contradictory. Mormons are deceivers and leading many millions to hell. Perhaps you are one and that is why my “version” of Christianity is offensive to you. Well, I love it when Mormons come knocking on my door. I invite them in, treat them respectfully, pray for their families, and share the gospel while showing them the errors of their faith and why it is dangerous. They come prepared, and I wait prepared. I do not, however, bless their work in any spiritual way. In fact, I warn them as I do not want to conflict with the following scripture that commands we not greet them as brothers:

        2 John 1:10-11New American Standard Bible (NASB)

        10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into yourhouse, and do not give him a greeting; 11 for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.

        • thoughtsfromflorida

          “The irony is that you are upholding “your” truth over what I believe”

          What truth have I held up that I have said is over what you believe?

          “there is no knowable truth”

          In matters of faith, there is not. That’s why it’s called “faith” and not “fact”.

          “do not receive him into your house”

          “I invite them in”

          What? You invite them in when gospel says not to? Heathen.

          • scriptdreamer

            you are saying I am wrong, so that means you believe your truth is greater than mine. Simple logic. There is absolutely knowable truth. It is logically impossible to say there is not. Faith is based on evidence – the volumes of it for the veracity of the bible and the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ are there. You just have to have an open mind and a willing heart to see it. Finally, I KNEW you would bring up the house-thing!! lol Which proves you know not the scriptures. Believers met in homes, not church buildings as we know them today. The context is inviting them into the church to speak and have any authority. Yes, you do not know the scriptures, and, apparently, it doesn’t appear it’s important to you. Anyway, I wish you God’s best and hope that you do come to a knowledge of the truth in Christ.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “you are saying I am wrong”

            When did I say you were wrong, and what did I say you were wrong about?

            “Faith is based on evidence”

            Sometimes. There is no evidence for the resurrection of Jesus other than the gospels. It is like saying that there is evidence for magic based upon the Harry Potter books.

            .” Believers met in homes, not church buildings as we know them today. The context is inviting them into the church to speak and have any authority.”

            Oh. So you are not one of those who views scripture as literal. You want to interpret scripture. Got it.

            “I wish you God’s best”

            And I you.

            “hope that you do come to a knowledge of the truth in Christ.”

            More accurately said: What you BELIEVE to be the truth in Christ.

          • Cary

            thoughtsfromflorida, I have to disagree with you about there not being any “knowable truth”. Faith is only a stepping stone towards knowledge. Once faith is sufficiently proved, it can become perfect knowledge. That is actually the objective of exercising faith.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            That was an excellent comment!!

  • Names_Stan

    I’ve heard of Glenn Beck. Never heard of these other folks, or a “mantle”.

    But I can say what I’ve observed in Christian internet comments lately:
    Not only are a huge number of these folks boasting of their sect’s ownership
    of God as if He’s a Beverly Hill country club; they’re also undoubtedly the
    unhappiest people in America.

    And the weapon they swing consistently is an inconsistent view of the bible.
    Although they all see it just a bit differently, it seems to take a great deal more
    precedence and importance in their life than thoughts of God or the life, death
    and resurrection of Christ.

    I can only suppose if I was this unhappy, I’d be pointing fingers too, and imaging
    that if nobody else was on my side, at least God would come through for me and burn
    my enemies.

    I do wish they could find peace and maybe a bit of joy. There is so little time, and so many ways to achieve it.

    As to the topic…Mormon or not, right-wing angry or not, Mr. Beck’s religion Is quite obviously borne out of Judaism, just as every denomination of Christianity is. Whoever this preacher in Texas is, it seems to me that giving a gift of some symbolic Jewish piece is a pretty smart way to attempt some degree of unity.

  • Susan Roso

    I too am Mormon and my families closet friends were Jewish and they felt a kinship in the persecution we went through when we were driven across the US to Utah. We also had strong family ties and believed in divine revelation.

  • Don Gray

    False Prophet
    Recently I posted a question, “Can someone that is not born again, according to God’s word be a prophet and lead God’s people”? The reason that I asked this question was because a radio and TV personality has been talking a great deal about, what he says, God has told him. He recently held a three day rally in Israel, at what he says was a command from God, bringing together political and Christian and Jewish leaders from around the world
    Leading up to this event, during his radio show, many Christians, including pastors, called into his show to tell him that he was a prophet of God, that God was indeed speaking to and through him, to Christians everywhere.

    He has also called on all Christians to join him in a 40 day challenge. He encouraged Christians to expect miracles of biblical proportions. Following this challenge, I have lost count on how many Christians called in, telling him that he had heard from God and miracles were indeed happening everywhere. He even visited a prayer room in a town in Ohio, encouraging all to expect miracles.

    He called some of the leading Christian Pastors in the country together to form what he has called, his “Black Robe Brigade”. He told these born again pastors, that God had spoken to him while in prayer, and asked them to join him on his 8/24 event. He still refers to this group of Pastors as “his” Black Robe Brigade.
    Now, I have learned from this man a great deal about our constitution and our Founding Fathers. He has been diligent in exposing corruption in our government, right up to the White House. In this I applaud this man and his courage to step up and speak the truth.
    However, when he started telling his audience that he had been praying and that God had spoken to him, I began to get an uneasy feeling in my spirit. After all he is not a Christian he is a Mormon. A member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
    My wife, and my daughter, and I have discussed this for quite sometime. At first, I kept saying that he must have heard from God because it seemed that literally everything he predicted came to pass. My daughter remarked that he sounded more like a preacher and she said that he did not sound like any Mormon that she had met. And yet the uneasy feeling would not let up, it got worse.
    This is what motivated me to ask the above stated question. As you can imagine many people responded with some very deep and accurate answers. Others, in there sincerity, stated that we are born with the gifts, whether born again or not, the gifts were given by God and He would not take them away. Others said that “proof was in the pudding” , his predictions came to pass, therefore he has heard from God. Others suggested that I was backbiting and gossiping and that we have no right to judge.

    I want to make it clear. He can be used by God just as Judas was used to fulfill God’s plan, and I truly believe that this man is being used by God. He has been used to draw attention to Israel. God’s prophetic sign post for the end times. However, this mans desire to bring peace and co-existence to the Middle East through mutual respect and understanding. This is a futile attempt to change what God has already said in His word concerning Israel and that area. He has been used to sow the seeds, or, if you will, to light the fuse for a one world religion. And perhaps to set the stage for the anti-christ to have a frame work for his treaty of peace. I say this because even the Jewish Rabbis that prayed at his recent event prayed for peace between them and their enemies so that they can co-exist.

    This is all that has driven me to research the following information, in addition, this individual encourages his followers to do their own research.

    If this man is not born again, what god is he talking to that would instruct him to call His leaders together and follow him?

    When he says that he believes in Jesus, what jesus is he referring to?

    Now. I could go through all the scriptures that point out that the gifts of God come with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ( Romans 12:6 and 1 Corithians 12:6). That Jesus stated that His sheep, (Christians) hear His voice and another voice they will not follow. I could point out all the verses of scripture in the book of Revelations that state, to those who have a ear to hear, listen to what the Spirit says.

    Regarding the point that all his predictions have come to pass, I could point out that even the devil will appear as an angel of light and can perform lying signs and wonders, but I won’t. Let’s just let the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, and the churches leaders speak for themselves.

    In a book, “Who is the God of Mormonism”, written by Cooper P. Abrams III, the facts of this cult come to light. He states, “Their definition of Christianity differs greatly from the biblical definition. Speaking before LDS members on May 6, 1998, in Atlanta, Georgia, Mormon President Gordon B. Hinckley said:

    and draw him to Christ.

    continued in next post

    • http://www.facebook.com/don.gray.509 Don Gray

      “We are Christians in terms of following the teachings, the example, and the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ. And it doesn’t bother me a bit when people say we are not Christians, because they are looking at what they are saying in terms of a long tradition, whereas we speak from the depth of our hearts out of the words ofMODERN REVELATION”.

      President Hinckley further stated that the LDS Church worships a DIFFERENT JESUS CHRIST from that of biblical Christianity:

      “The traditional Christ of whom they [Biblical Christians] speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.

      For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.”

      These statements by the LDS Church’s current Prophet shows clearly that the church has redefined Christianity according to its own perspective. President Hinckley makes it clear that the LDS Church believes in a different Jesus that has only been revealed to them in modern times and who is different from the Jesus that Christianity has believed in and worshiped for 2000 years.

      One can draw no other conclusion than the LDS Church believes in a different Jesus than that of the Bible.

      The name Christian since its inception has only applied to those who followed the biblical Jesus Christ and therefore the LDS Church has no legitimate reason to apply the name to themselves.

      However, most Mormons sincerely see themselves as Christians who worship the God and Jesus Christ of the Bible and are greatly offended if told otherwise.

      Their church tells them they worship the God of the Bible and Jesus Christ of the Bible and accept what they are taught.

      In reality, a comparison of the LDS God with that of the Bible shows that the LDS Church worships a God that is completely different from the God of the Bible

      Mormons emphatically proclaim their God as the God of the Bible. All its teachings hinge on the foundational belief that God is an exalted man of flesh and bone who became the God of the earth. In refuting Mormon teachings and showing that the LDS Church is not a Christian church, the focus must address a comparison of their doctrine of God with what the Bible actually teaches.

      This will settle any questions concerning the validity and authority of the LDS Church.

      Young taught that the Mormon concept of man’s beginning is different from that of Christianity. Man was an intelligence, existing from eternity past without a body, (tabernacle) when the universe was created.

      Therefore, according to Prophet Young, the Mormon God was once a mortal man existing in the universe after the creation.

      Please read this next paragraph carefully!

      Through eternal progression, one of these intelligences that existed previously somewhere in the universe was chosen by a god of another planet to be born as his spirit child in heaven. Therefore, this spirit child’s father was a god and was conceived by his Father God and one of his wives in heaven. In order to produce spirit children in heaven God must be married.

      The LDS Apostle George Cannon addresses God’s martial status saying:

      The “Mormons” believe that God is the Father of our spirits-that we are His offspring; and we think it just as consistent and reasonable to believe that He has a partner or partners [emphasis mine] as to think that He sits, isolated and solitary in lonely grandeur, in a state of bachelorship, and yet a Parent of so innumerable a progeny.

      This is an interesting revelation because it would mean that children are produced in heaven by the Father God and one of his wives in the same way human children are born. The ramifications of this teaching are staggering, considering that billions of people have been born on earth and the LDS people believe that each one was the result of the act of sexual intercourse by their Heavenly Father and one of his heavenly wives. Roberts reasoned that “If none but Gods will be permitted to multiply immortal children, it follows that each God must have one or more wives.” The question is not how many wives he has, but how could one man-god of flesh and bone be able to have sexual relations enough times to produce even the current world population of 6.1 billion people, let alone enough times to produce all the world’s populations since its creation?

      • http://www.facebook.com/don.gray.509 Don Gray

        Yet the LDS Church doctrine of “Pre-existence” teaches that the God of Earth sexually produced spirit children in heaven who lived with him and their mother in a spiritual, heavenly family. LDS Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith addressed the pre-existence of man and stated:

        Pre-existence is the term commonly used to describe the pre-mortal existence of the spirit children of God the Father. Speaking of this prior existence in a spirit sphere, the First Presidency of the Church (Joseph F. Smith, John R. Winder, and Anthon H. Lund) said: “All men and women are in the similitude of the universal Father and Mother, and are literally the sons and daughters of Deity”; [sic] as spirits they were the “offspring of celestial parentage.”

        While members of other Christian denominations may speak metaphorically of all humankind being brothers and sisters and children of God, Latter-day Saints believe it literally in the sense that a Father in heaven and a Mother in heaven created spirit children in a premortal existence.

        The late Thelma Geer, a former Mormon and author of Mormonism, Mamma and Me, said that the Mormon Church was the only religion in the world trying to get people out of heaven to come to earth.

        Brigham Young explained that

        “when we have learned to live according to the full value of the life we now possess, we are prepared for further advancement in the scale of eternal progression—for a more glorious and exalted sphere.”

        In a later sermon, Young revealed that eternal progression was a continuous upward movement from one existence to another, “And when we have passed into the sphere where Joseph is, there is still another department, and then another, and another, and so on to an eternal progression in exaltation and eternal lives. That is the exaltation I am looking for.”

        Young was implying that Mormonism’s founder, Joseph Smith, was in paradise waiting for the resurrection. After the resurrection, he could progress to the celestial heaven and become a god and then to a greater god with the process continuing on into the future.

        Mormons claim their God is immutable, but LDS President Young in the above quotes certainly believed that God could and did change.

        This belief grows out of their concept that God was first an intelligence who was born to a father and mother god in heaven and received a spirit body. Afterward, God was born on earth as a finite man who needed redemption and received a physical or mortal body; then, because he was worthy, he became a God in the celestial heaven after he was resurrected. Clearly this is not the scenario of an unchanging and eternal God. Even the term “exalted man” depicts a process of change. This shows the LDS Church is grossly misusing the word “immutable

        The Mormon concept of heaven is that it has three divisions in descending order: the celestial, terrestrial, and telestial.

        The celestial heaven is the highest heaven and is created for those who live a moral life of good works and are faithful to the Mormon gospel. Within the celestial heaven, sometimes referred to as the celestial glory, are further divisions.

        To obtain the highest degree of the celestial heaven, the Mormon must be deemedworthy and perform his temple rites called the endowments or temple marriage.

        In the LDS temple marriage, the wife is sealed to her husband for all time and eternitywhich means the couple will live in heaven with their families throughout all eternity.

        Completing the temple marriage and going to the celestial heaven makes it possible for man to become a god; then, he can have his own world to populate and rule in the same way the Mormon man-god of the earth did.

        The LDS Scripture speaks of how those who receive the celestial glory obtained it saying, “Who received the testimony of Jesus, and believed on his name and were baptized after the manner of his burial,…and who overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, which the Father sheds forth upon all those who are just and true” (Doctrine and Covenants 76:51-53).

        To obtain the celestial glory, a couple must have a temple marriage referred to as the sealing ceremony or endowments. This marriage is referred to as for all time and eternity and means an eternal marriage.

        Joseph Fielding Smith gave this answer to the question about Mormon couples who are not married in the temple, “Unless young people who marry outside the temple speedily repent, they cut them-selves off from exaltation in the celestial kingdom of God. If they should prove themselves worthy, notwithstanding that great error, to enter into the celestial kingdom, they go in that kingdom as servants.”

        The unmistakable conclusion is that the LDS God as a mortal man was married and his marriage qualified him for being exalted to godhood. The Mormon Scriptures say:

        In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees; and in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood (meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage); and if he does not, he cannot obtain it. He may enter into the other, but that is the end of his kingdom; he cannot have an increase (D&C 131:1-3).

        Further, the teaching is that the LDS God of earth earned his exaltation by the way he lived his life.

        Elder S. Dilworth Young in a speech at BYU stipulated the necessity of moral living as a criteria for exaltation to godhood. He said, “Sometimes I may think because I have certain authority or a certain priesthood, or a certain ceremony, that I am going to reach exaltation. These will not save me unless my conduct justifies exaltation.”

        God According to the Bible

        The Bible says that God is self-existing.

        God’s existence is not dependent on outside forces.

        Exodus 3:14, “I am that I am.”

        God was not created, but he was the Creator and called the eternal God,

        “Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God” (Psa. 90:2). The description “from everlasting to everlasting” means he is self-existing and does not exist because of some outside power. He is a power unto Himself.

        This is the meaning of God’s statement about Himself in

        The Bible teaches that God was always God and nowhere suggests that he is an exalted man who became a God.

        The Bible is emphatic in stating that he is eternal and that there are no other gods.

        Man’s existence comes from God who is life and the giver of life. In contrast, man is God’s creation and exists because of God’s power.

        (Gen. 1:26-27). God “breathed” life into man and he became a living soul (Gen. 2:7).

        How one could ignore these clear, unambiguous, statements about God and assert that he was born a finite man and became a god is hard to understand.

        • http://www.facebook.com/don.gray.509 Don Gray

          God’s Function According to Mormonism

          The LDS God’s function is, through the process of eternal progression, to fulfill his duties as “Heavenly Father” in a familial role in heaven producing spirit children with his wives who become his heavenly family who then populate the earth.

          His function is not only bring glory to himself, but give this same glory to his children who may progress to becoming gods themselves if they prove themselves worthy.

          It should be understood that the Mormon God’s children are his literal children sexually produced in heaven by his relations with his many wives.

          It teaches, (Doctrine and Covenants),that those of his children who achieve godhood will have spirit children who will worship and pray to them, just as biblical Christians worship and pray to God the Father.

          Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith said, “Our Father in heaven has from the beginning demanded of his children that they love and obey him. They are to worship him, and unto him they are to pray and give their devotion.”

          Therefore, the Mormon God exists in order to help his progeny proceed along the road of eternal progression to godhood. His glory does not originate from himself, but comes from the previous God through whom he progressed and was exalted to godhood.

          Professors at Brigham Young University, the official school of the LDS Church, wrote the following on the work of the Mormon God:

          This doctrine of the work of the Father and the Son being one, of glorifying themselves by bringing similar glory to others, is also taught in the Old Testament (Isaiah 53:12 52 ), the New Testament (Luke 22:29 53 ), and the Doctrine and Covenants (D&C 132:31).

          Thus all four of the LDS standard works teach this eternal principle.

          The Mormon plan of salvation was formulated at the request of the council of Gods that existed before the creation of the earth.

          Although Mormons deny being polytheistic , they believe that in the universe there exists innumerable gods.

          In the LDS creation account, recorded in The Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 4:1-31, it was a council of gods who created the earth.

          Brewster elaborated on the subject saying, “The Pearl of Great Price makes it very clear that a council of gods helped organize, or create, this earth (Abraham 4, 5). In this council, however, was ‘the Eternal God of all other gods,’ or the Father to whom we should give our obedience (D&C 121:32).

          In this respect, Joseph Smith declared: ‘I say there are Gods many and Lords many, but to us only one, and we are to be in subjection to that one’ (TPJS, 371).”

          Clark also explained,

          “It was not a novice, not an amateur, not a Being making a first trial, that came down in the beginning, after the Great Council, with other Gods, and searched out and found the place where there was ‘space’ (for so the record tells us in Abraham) and taking of the materials which they found in this ‘space’ they made this world.” 57

          The function of the Mormon God is not of being sovereign in his role as God directing the affairs of earth. This is clearly shown in that it was this council of gods who asked two of the spirit children of the God of the earth to formulate a plan of salvation for the earth, and to whom Jesus and Lucifer presented their plans. Plainly, the Mormon plan of salvation was not authored by their Heavenly Father, but by his first born spirit son. It was this council of gods that accepted Jesus’ plan and rejected Lucifer’s plan. This indicates that the Mormon God of Earth in his function is subordinate to the council of gods.

          The Existence of Jesus Christ According to Mormonism

          According to Mormonism, Jesus Christ began as all men, as an intelligence somewhere out in the universe.

          He, through the process of eternal progression, was literally procreated as the first spirit son of the God of earth when he was exalted to godhood.

          Other children born to the God of earth and his wives were Lucifer and all the angels, including the one-third fallen angels,

          making Jesus their elder brother.

          After he was born as a spirit, he existed in heaven with his spirit family and God until he received a material body by being born of Mary, his earthly mother.

          Mormon teaching is that Jesus was physically conceived by the Father through sexual relations with Mary.

          Mormons see functions of life of men on earth as reflecting what is going on in heaven. They conclude that it would be necessary for the Father God to have sexual relations with the mother of Jesus in order that he be conceived.

          Roberts said:

          God, the father of our spirits, became the father of our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. The fleshy body of Jesus required a mother as well as a father.

          Therefore, the father and mother of Jesus according to the flesh must have been associated together in the capacity of husband and wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father.

          Mormon authority Bruce McConkie states:

          God the Father is a perfected, glorified, holy Man, an immortal Personage. And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events, for he is the Son of God, and that designation means what it says

          John 1:1 states, ‘In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ This is the Greek phrase qeos hn o logos.

          The absence of the article shows qeos to be the predicate. This predicate precedes the verb by way of emphasis, to indicate progress in the thought = ‘the Logos was not only with God’. . . ‘Only o logos can be the subject, for in the whole Introduction [sic] the question is, not who is God, but who the Logos is.

          Jesus of the Bible.

          This is a good example of the weak and faulty arguments Mormons use to defend themselves when they are told they are not Christians. Christians not agreeing on the interpretation of several passages of Scripture is an entirely different matter from disagreeing over whether Jesus was born a spirit child to exalted heavenly parents, or Jesus being the brother of Lucifer, or whether he is our eternal infinite God as the Bible says. Robinson acknowledges that the Bible does not teach the LDS concept of Jesus Christ. 75 Rather than accept what the Scriptures profoundly teach, it is difficult to rationalize, that the Mormons continue to believe in a completely different Jesus, call themselves Christians, claim they worship the Jesus of the Bible, and become offended when the differences are pointed out.

          Another unique teaching of Mormonism is that Jesus came to the Americas after his resurrection and prior to his return to heaven. Matthews explains:

          In addition to the Bible we now have the Book of Mormon, which tells of Jesus’ personal ministry as a resurrected, glorified being among the ancient Nephites in America a few months after his ascension from among the Jews. It also reveals that Jesus said he was personally going to visit the ten lost tribes of Israel after he left the Nephites. We do not have the actual record of that event yet, but we will have it when the Lord sees fit. 89

          The Book of Mormon records that while in the Americas Jesus taught the Nephites and the Lamanites 90 , blessed them, and instituted the sacrament among them as a remembrance of the body which he had shown them (3 Nephi 11:28-30; 3 Nephi. 18:1-11; see also 3 Nephi 11:22, 27:3). the Father and the Son and is in all things.

          From Prophet Smith’s statements, several important distinctions can be made as to his understanding of the identity of the Holy Ghost.

          He is a spirit in the form of a man.

          • http://www.facebook.com/don.gray.509 Don Gray

            After he was born as a spirit, he existed in heaven with his spirit family and God until he received a material body by being born of Mary, his earthly mother.

            Mormon teaching is that Jesus was physically conceived by the Father through sexual relations with Mary.

            Mormons see functions of life of men on earth as reflecting what is going on in heaven. They conclude that it would be necessary for the Father God to have sexual relations with the mother of Jesus in order that he be conceived.

            Roberts said:

            God, the father of our spirits, became the father of our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. The fleshy body of Jesus required a mother as well as a father.

            Therefore, the father and mother of Jesus according to the flesh must have been associated together in the capacity of husband and wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father.

            Mormon authority Bruce McConkie states:

            God the Father is a perfected, glorified, holy Man, an immortal Personage. And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events, for he is the Son of God, and that designation means what it says

            John 1:1 states, ‘In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ This is the Greek phrase qeos hn o logos.

            The absence of the article shows qeos to be the predicate. This predicate precedes the verb by way of emphasis, to indicate progress in the thought = ‘the Logos was not only with God’. . . ‘Only o logos can be the subject, for in the whole Introduction [sic] the question is, not who is God, but who the Logos is.

            Jesus of the Bible.

            This is a good example of the weak and faulty arguments Mormons use to defend themselves when they are told they are not Christians. Christians not agreeing on the interpretation of several passages of Scripture is an entirely different matter from disagreeing over whether Jesus was born a spirit child to exalted heavenly parents, or Jesus being the brother of Lucifer, or whether he is our eternal infinite God as the Bible says. Robinson acknowledges that the Bible does not teach the LDS concept of Jesus Christ. 75 Rather than accept what the Scriptures profoundly teach, it is difficult to rationalize, that the Mormons continue to believe in a completely different Jesus, call themselves Christians, claim they worship the Jesus of the Bible, and become offended when the differences are pointed out.

            Another unique teaching of Mormonism is that Jesus came to the Americas after his resurrection and prior to his return to heaven. Matthews explains:

            In addition to the Bible we now have the Book of Mormon, which tells of Jesus’ personal ministry as a resurrected, glorified being among the ancient Nephites in America a few months after his ascension from among the Jews. It also reveals that Jesus said he was personally going to visit the ten lost tribes of Israel after he left the Nephites. We do not have the actual record of that event yet, but we will have it when the Lord sees fit. 89

            The Book of Mormon records that while in the Americas Jesus taught the Nephites and the Lamanites 90 , blessed them, and instituted the sacrament among them as a remembrance of the body which he had shown them (3 Nephi 11:28-30; 3 Nephi. 18:1-11; see also 3 Nephi 11:22, 27:3). the Father and the Son and is in all things.

            From Prophet Smith’s statements, several important distinctions can be made as to his understanding of the identity of the Holy Ghost.

            He is a spirit in the form of a man.

            This can be understood in the LDS teaching that the Holy Ghost is like the spirit children of God in heaven who have spirit bodies. The LDS God’s spirit children’s bodies appear human in form, but are not physical. Smith makes the distinction that only the Holy Ghost has a spirit body and is not like God the Father and Jesus who have bodies of flesh and bone, meaning he was never born on earth. This means that the Holy Ghost was born a spirit child of the Heavenly Father. Further, the LDS concept is that the Holy Ghost is limited, due to being in a spirit body, and “does not fill the immensity of space and cannot be everywhere present in person at the same time.” The Mormons believe there is another being they called the “Spirit” which is not the Holy Ghost and is omnipresent. In Mormon thinking, the Spirit is akin to a power or force that is manifested from God and is everywhere in the universe.

            Mormons must answer the question as to how their God could be the creator of the universe. Mormon teaching clearly says that the LDS God began not as God, but as a finite being who progressed through several existences until he became a god.He cannot be the Creator of the universe because it existed before he became a god, and it is totally illogical to proclaim him as such. Without question the Bible declares that God is the Creator of the heavens and earth ex nihilo and that he has been eternally God and Spirit. He was God in eternity past and chose to create the universe and all in it. There is no conflict between God as he has revealed himself in the Bible and the Creation.

            This simple, yet, profound truth totally refutes the Mormon God as being the God of the Bible.

            Also, there can be no mistake that the LDS concept of Jesus Christ beginning as an intelligence and then being born in heaven to God and one of his wives is totally foreign to who he is as presented by the Bible.

            Christ is eternally God and one with the Father and Holy Spirit.

            He is not a separate God as Mormonism teaches only being one with God in purpose

            (John. 10:30). Jesus was wholly God being incarnate in flesh for the purpose of dying on the cross for the sins of the world (1 Pet. 1:10). He was Emmanuel, meaning, as the Scriptures explain, God with us (Matt. 1:23).

            As the Bible instructs, the Holy Spirit is God and the third member of the Trinity, being wholly God and one with God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He is not a son of an exalted man who became a God through eternal progression, but is eternally existing always as God. He is not a force emanating from God the Father, but God personally indwells all believers giving them the very presence and nature of God eternally.

            The tragedy of Mormonism is that so many sincere people have been taught a lie.

            They have been taught to worship a god that does not exist.

            Their sincere faith in a false God cannot save them.

            The Bible says, “There is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved (Acts 4:12). Jesus himself said, “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him” (John. 3:36). Jesus proclaimed, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John. 14:6). God said through the Apostle Paul, “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Tim. 2:6). John proclaimed, “And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life” (1 John. 5:11-12).

            As you can see from all the above stated facts, the god of the Mormons is not the God of the bible and the jesus of the Mormon religion is not the Jesus of the bible and the spirit of the Mormon teaching in not the the third person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit.

            SO I WILL ASK IT AGAIN. CAN A PERSON THAT HAS NOT ACCEPTED THE JESUS OF THE BIBLE, BE A PROPHET OF THE MOST HIGH GOD OF THE BIBLE? AND CAN HE LEAD GOD’S PEOPLE ON A WORD THAT HAS NOT COME FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD ALMIGHTY?

            THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTIONS IS CLEAR….NO!!!

            The truth is simple, They are following a counterfeit Jesus and as sincere as they may be in their belief they are as lost!

            God tells us in John 20:31, “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

            Those who believe in the real God and Jesus Christ, God has promised to save to the uttermost (Heb. 7:10). GOD’S

            MESSAGE TO THE MORMONS, IS SIMPLE.

            BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVE AND THY HOUSE ” (Acts 16:31).

            The man that I have spoken of at the beginning is no different than any other followers of this cult. They are sincere in what the believe and what they do. We should pray that the God of our Lord and Savior would open up his eyes to the truth and draw him to Christ.

  • FoJC_Forever

    False prophets, false pastors, false bishops, false deacons, false apostles, false teachers, false evangelists, and false believers are one with the world, regardless of their religious declarations.

    It doesn’t matter what group or individual “recognizes” you on this earth, if you don’t know Jesus, you will be cast away into everlasting punishment.

  • ned67

    Ed Decker is a professional anti-mormon who made dishonest films like “The Godmakers”. “Ed and his ministry is been considered by some critics of the LDS Church as too radical and somewhat unethical.” (http://shields-research.org/Critics/SAIJ.htm) Interesting that Ed, with zero credibility, talks about Chuck Pierce losing credibitlity.

    • Cary

      That´s interesting that they used a quote from Ed Decker, a devout anti-Mormon with no credibility. He is so nuts, even other “Christian” anti-Mormons won´t have anything to do with them, and those guys love anybody who hates Mormons. They even love Steve Benson, and he´s an atheist! Decker is so out there his own family kicked him to the curb. And by the way, he has been a former Mormon for a lot longer than 20 years. Try closer to 30-35. He was excommunicated for adultery. But if the crazy “Christians” want to get in bed with this loony, I guess that is their choice.

      • Tom Haynie

        It’s interesting that Decker’s claim to fame is that he was a Mormon for 20 years. A lot of people are duped by that statement thinking, “Wow, 20 years. He must know a lot.” They probably imagine that he spent those 20 years in Sunday School. I know members who have been Mormon 20, 30 or 40 years and almost never set foot in church. I suppose that if they had the inclination, they could write anti-Mormon books and some people would raise them on a pedestal. How long you’ve been a member has little to do with how much you know. Most of what Decker writes or speaks about is gibberish and has almost no basis in fact.

  • I Am Breitbart

    Yawn…………..

  • Ron Den Boer
  • sunflower

    Mormons are absolutely Christian 100% through and through.

    • Josey

      No, to be a Christian one must fully embrace Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and trust in Him alone for salvation and in the one Holy bible as sole authority. Mormons do not believe in Christ alone and they rely on another book which teaches many things contrary to a true believer in Jesus Christ as the firstborn, God’s begotten Son and in whom there is not other salvation. Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

      • sunflower

        Hello Josey…thank you for your response. “Mormon” is a nickname for “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.” Jesus Christ is at the center of all we do. We learn of Him, teach and testify of Him, follow Him, and love Him with all our hearts. If this is not Christianity, I don’t know what is! The Book of Mormon is a sacred record of the people living in the Americas around the time of Christ. After His resurrection, He came to them and taught them His Gospel, the same teachings that are in the Bible. It is a glorious account of this visit and a second witness of His divinity! It goes hand in hand with the Bible and is certainly worth investigating…and it offers a wonderful promise at the end!

  • lindasdf

    He’s a Mormon.

    Wow, talk about your left handed statements.

    Hopefully, soon, then people will see through the lies about us cooked up by Ed Decker and others of his ilk, and see that not only are we not what they thought, but just maybe we are what we say we are.

  • Barry Boyd

    O.K. 4 starters God did not tell Chuck 2 lay hands upon an individual who belongs to a a religious cult.I was a Mormon when I was a teenager and can tell u from personal exp. they are a religious cult who worship and preach a false Jesus.Their Bible is the book of Mormon with several other books thrown into the mix.People need to do some detective work on their own to discern what Mormonism is about.I am thankful to God who rescued me from this cult and brought me to a saving knowledge in his son Jesus Christ.This floors me cuz it’s more concrete proof of the apostasty that Paul preached would come.If christians beleive and receive this kinda stuff than they will fall 4 anything.Wake up people!