Atlanta Officials Ask Court to Dismiss Lawsuit Filed by Chief Fired Over Christian Book

CochranATLANTA — Attorneys for the City of Atlanta and Mayor Kasim Reed have asked a federal court to dismiss a lawsuit filed by a fire chief who was terminated this year over his Bible study-inspired book that included one page that listed homosexuality with other sexual perversions.

As previously reported, Chief Kelvin Cochran was suspended for one month beginning in late November and was placed under investigation as to whether he violated city policy or engaged in discrimination by publishing the book “Who Told You That You Were Naked?”, which was compiled as a result of a number of lesson plans that he had prepared over time for men’s Bible study groups.

The book, available on Amazon, is centered on God’s question to Adam following his disobedience in the Garden of Eden, and parallels the matter with those who are now “clothed in Christ.”

While “Who Told You That You Were Naked” was published in 2013, it was reportedly not until last November that Atlanta employees complained to Mayor Reed about its content.

“Uncleanness [is] whatever is opposite of purity; including sodomy, homosexuality, lesbianism, pederasty, bestiality, all other forms of sexual perversion,” Cochran wrote. “Naked men refuse to give in, so they pursue sexual fulfillment through multiple partners, with the opposite sex, the same sex and sex outside of marriage and many other vile, vulgar and inappropriate ways which defile their body-temple and dishonor God.”

But it wasn’t Cochran’s writings against sexual perversion that got him into hot water; it was the fact that he included homosexuality among those behaviors that are cited as being “vile,” “vulgar” and “inappropriate.” The text was included on just one page out of the entire 160-plus page book, which does not center on homosexuality.

Following the receipt of a complaint over the quote, Mayor Kasim Reed placed Cochran on a one-month suspension while an investigation went forward. Shortly after he returned to work, Reed decided to terminate the fire chief over the publication.

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He alleged at a press conference shortly after the beginning of the new year that his decision had nothing to do with freedom or speech or religion, stating that Cochran was fired because he had not obtained approval from officials to publish the book. Reed also stated that he thought the chief could present legal liabilities for the city.

But Cochran said the he indeed did seek out the ethics officer prior to publishing the book, and not only was he granted permission to proceed, but he was also allowed to include in his biography that he served as the fire chief of Atlanta. He said that he gave a copy of the publication to Reed in January 2014—nearly a year before the controversy erupted—and was told by the mayor that he would read it.

Shortly after his firing, Cochran filed a complaint with the U.S. Equal Opportunity Employment Commission, alleging a violation of Title 7 of the Civil Rights Act, and a month later, attorneys for Cochran filed a federal lawsuit against Reed and the City of Atlanta, asserting violations of the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

Now, city attorneys have asked the court to dismiss Cochran’s lawsuit. In their motion to dismiss, filed this week in federal district court, attorneys claim that the city had a right to fire Cochran because his book “caused at least one [fire department] member enough concern to complain to a city councilmember.” It also cited Cochran’s gifting of the book to department members, the majority of whom were subordinates, as additional grounds for termination.

“Plaintiff must show that his interest as a citizen in publishing a book of guidance for Christian men in the workplace and disseminating said book in the workplace where he was the fire chief of the AFRD outweighed the City’s interest as a governmental employer,” the motion states.

“Because the City of Atlanta is a governmental employer with heightened powers to restrict speech as necessary to ensure efficient delivery of mandated services, and in the context of Plaintiff being the top official in the AFRD which is a paramilitary organization that requires strict discipline and trust to maintain particular efficiency, Plaintiff cannot show that his interest in publishing and disseminating a controversial book in the workplace outweighs Defendants’ interests as a governmental employer,” it continues.

But Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), which is representing Cochran in court, states that the city’s motion “confirms the lawsuit’s argument that the city fired Cochran for holding and expressing religious beliefs city officials didn’t like.” It also contends that most of the subordinates who were gifted with a copy of Cochran’s book had requested it, and that none had objected to receiving the publication.

“In America, a religious or ideological test cannot be used to fire a public servant, but that’s precisely what the city did,” said ADF Senior Counsel David Cortman. “That endangers everyone who works for the city who may hold to a belief that the city doesn’t like. Furthermore, the First Amendment fully protects the freedom of any public employee to distribute religious materials at work to those willing to receive them, and no city rule—written or unwritten—can override that freedom.”

Full video: Fire chief sues city of Atlanta over unjust termination from ADF Media Relations on Vimeo.
 

 


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  • Frank

    The court needs to dismiss the Mayor Kasim Reed and all state officials involved.

  • webshade

    It used to be that most people held that many sexual sins were wrong and that homosexuality was sickening and not accepted in our society, or most civilization throughout history, even without a bible, it was unnatural. Today it is celebrated as a “right” and is good and normal!
    Everyone, especially Christians that speak out against it, they are the ones that are “wrong” now!
    Evil is now good, and good is evil!

    • The Last Trump

      And not just homosexuality. Any and all forms of sexuality are supported and promoted. And the more partners the merrier! No such thing today as whoredom. No such thing today as sexual immorality. Go figure!
      Such a shameful generation.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      Or maybe you’re wrong.

    • Maggi Fitzgibbon Escamilla

      Isaiah 5: 20

    • Kay Lowe

      The funny thing is, they DEMAND that you celebrate it. They are not happy w/acceptance or tolerance. If you are not celebrating them, you are a bigot, homophobe, or worse.

      • webshade

        My experience on threads like this, is that they, Homosexuals and those that support them don’t listen! That this has nothing to do with bigotry, homophobia, hate or any other thing that they like to call everyone that disagrees with them. In politics this is called demagoguery. And this has been turned into a political issue instead of a moral one. They could not win this on moral grounds.

  • BarkingDawg

    This is just a procedural move. The Court will likely let the case proceed, however, I don’t see where the chief has much of a chance. He violated established procedures.

    • pastoredsmith

      That would be true in a country that does not have freedom of speech, but not in the USA. No government has the right to censor speech of its employees, either on or off the job. This is pathetic and I pray the government of Atlanta gets a lesson they won’t soon forget and that it sets a new precedent in the current rogue court system in the USA.

      • BarkingDawg

        Oh, please. This is not a 1st amendment issue, this is an employer – employee issue.

        • pastoredsmith

          So, the first amendment only applies to non-government employees. That is the most pathetic, ill conceited and non-American thing I’ve ever heard. Sounds like typical atheist rhetoric to me. Those who wish to silence Christians but deny it. Are you an atheist or just plain anti-American / anti-Christian?

          • BarkingDawg

            This is not a first amendment issue, no matter how hard you want it to be.

            The ex-cheif violated City policy. For that he was fired.

          • pastoredsmith

            No, you have it backwards as usual, “barking.” This is a First Amendment issue because no City policy or any other government policy overrides the First Amendment.
            You avoided my question. Perhaps if you stopped hiding behind a “handle” and come out into the light your comments would be credible.

          • RWH

            The City of Atlanta can control what its public officials say and do because what they say and do reflect the policy of that organization. There have been a number of lawsuits about this, and organizations can oust individuals who have made racist and sexist comments–and lately homophobic comments. In each case, the institution fired the individual, and the courts upheld the termination. At the institution where I work, we have been told by Human Resources that if we write a letter to a governmental official or even write a letter to the editor, we need to make very certain that we do so as a private citizen. We cannot represent ourselves as an employee of our institution, and we cannot use either letterhead or mailing address of our workplace. This man does have a first-amendment right to share his religious beliefs, but he cannot do so if it is construed that his beliefs represent those of his place of employment. Court cases have been explicitly clear on this. If he wins, I’ll be surprised.

          • pastoredsmith

            More foolish babble. This book wasn’t “racist and sexist comments–and lately homophobic comments,” they were Christian comments and none of the above.
            When a country strips freedom of religion and freedom of speech by the government deciding what is “appropriate” and inappropriate speech, freedoms vanish. When that happens, the country dies. It’s happening right now before our eyes.
            Only radicals believe the foolishness you spout here. Americans who understand the history of this once great country know that.
            And, if you think this man has the right to share his religious beliefs, then either he does or he doesn’t. This is the exact example of what I refer to….the government deciding what we can and can’t say and when and where we are truly free. America does not have “freedom zones” and “communist zones.” We are a free nation. At least we used to be.

          • RWH

            Well, you may consider what I say as foolish babble, but the courts have said otherwise. When you are in a supervisory role in any business, you don’t have carte blanche to do whatever you want to do and say whatever you want to say. You are under a number of rules and regulations that hinder your “First-Amendment” rights to run your mouth off. If this man wrote his book and gave it to his Sunday School class, most likely nothing would have happened. However, he distributed the book at work, and that caused him some serious problems. You may want to check out some significant court cases. One involves a woman who was Human Resources Director at a Michigan University who wrote a letter to the editor with comments considered homophobic. She lost her job because of it, and the courts ruled for the school. She had no “First-Amendment” right to speak in her official role because she would have been speaking for the school. This man has no “First-Amendment” rights to use his position as a sounding board and to create the appearance of a hostile environment for certain employees. Owners of companies quickly find out that they cannot do a lot of things that they feel that they have “First-Amendment” rights to do. They must pay minimum wage; they must give the employees breaks after 3 hours of work; they must give their employees at least 30 minutes for lunch; they must pay overtime; and as one found out a few years ago, they can’t make employees attend a devotional unless they are a church. I once taught at a Christian college that tried to make employees attend chapel “off the clock” and got in a lot of trouble with the EEOC. You may think that this is babble, but I strongly suggest that you look around the rules and regulations–and especially the court cases–because you are very wrong.

          • pastoredsmith

            So, you are saying that he forced people to take a copy of his book or that he used his influence in his job to unjustly allow distribution of the book? You are saying that it is illegal for anyone in government to distribute one of their published works at their job?
            While I will not deny the courts have ruled otherwise, it is an abhorrent reversal from American ideals in this country. Read your history and understand my point. Thomas Jefferson, as President of the US sponsored and helped to form a church that met in the Rotunda of the Capitol Building. Congress authorized and paid for the printing of Bibles, and their distribution as well. Until the late 20th Century, distribution of Bibles by the Gideons at public school was WIDELY practiced.
            My point is singular. This country has slipped a long way down the abyss towards destruction. When government oppresses freedoms as Atlanta has done, it won’t be long that the government will be completely freed to regulate any speech and activity they wish.
            I do not believe it is right to usurp one’s authority as a government leader to force someone to have to listen to my religious beliefs any more than an employee should be forced to have “tolerance training” or Muslim indoctrination, but it goes on nonetheless. You will have to admit that it is Christianity that has the target on its back. Atheism is given preference as government is being cleansed of any reference to God or anything to do with Christianity.
            The courts are rogue when they rule otherwise. They are anti-American and anti-freedom when they oppress free speech. If this fire chief had FORCED his people to take a book or FORCED them to follow his religion, he would be wrong under the Constitution. But, he does have the RIGHT to PRESENT the Gospel under the First Amendment.
            No, I’m not wrong. It anyone who sides with the rogue courts and wrong things that are happening in America who is wrong. And, once your freedoms have been squelched in the same manner as Christianity is being squelched right now, you will squeal at the top of your lungs.

          • RWH

            People have been spouting this line from the beginning of time. Cotton Mather and his fellow Puritans had the same to say when Roger Williams got out of control and when they were forced to halt the Salem Witchcraft Trials. Consult Evens Early American Abstracts for documentation. The same was said by the Know-Nothings of the 19th Century who considered all of those Catholics who entered our country to be a threat. In fact, people vilified the Catholics all the way up until Kennedy was elected President and Vatican II took place, and it still goes on in sites like this one. Civil Rights legislation stopped people from license to discriminate against those pesky people who insisted on equal treatment under the law. The Moslems and Gays are just the next in line. Sometimes it takes very drastic measures for people to realize that those in authority cannot vilify people with impunity. And everyone that I have mentioned has used religion and the Bible to justify what they said and did. An everyone ducked behind religion to vilify others have blamed “rogue courts” for impeding them their so-called “right to present the Gospel.” After all, Scripture was plainly against race mixing, and people had the right to defend true religion against heresy. You can dislike the gays all you want. Just don’t expect to do it as a supervisor at a job and expect to get away with it. Those in charge like harmony, and they don’t look well on people who go out of their way to create disharmony that impedes job efficiency.

          • pastoredsmith

            It is true that free people do stupid things. That has always been, and certainly continues today. But, a rogue government oppresses the people and causes much suffering. That, too is a proven fact that can easily be demonstrated by a simple look at history.
            False religions have oppressed people since the first one was created in the mind of man. Christianity, with its truth and the only true explanation of Creation and the Hand of God on our world brings hope, even though many Christian PEOPLE have done stupid and even evil things in the name of Christ. That doesn’t negate the truth of God, it negates the accuracy of that person who claims the name of Christ when the commit these atrocities.
            But, none of that is the point here. The point here is that the USA was created with an insatiable desire for FREEDOM. No tyranny from the government. No oppression for freedom to be part of the religion of choice, or none at all. Actually, this is a Christian principle, since God forces Himself on no man. But, without FREEDOM, the US Constitution falls down to failure. If you remove that one precept from this founding document, you deny the reason the country was founded in the first place. America becomes something that is completely opposite that it has been for over 200 years.
            Government is not capable of making adequate choices as to what is acceptable and what is not acceptable speech on or off the job. What is appropriate today will likely be inappropriate tomorrow and so forth. It is the same logic as an atheist trying to prove “there is no god.” It can’t be done, and the person is left with nothing but a crock of man-made babblings that were simply the result of a “free thinking” and angry mind trying to prove a point. A government trying to regulate speech is just as absurd and ridiculous.
            In truth, you and I, along with every other person in America will hate it if and when government does assume the mantle of having formal ability to control speech. Eventually, that government will cut all of us off at the knees, and nobody will be rejoicing when that happens.
            Yes, it is time to restore America. We should most certainly learn from our mistakes, but it is imperative that freedoms be restored if this nation is to survive.

          • RWH

            Well, if you are so concerned with your freedom to say anything and do anything you want because the government is squashing you, do me a favor. Announce publically that blacks are not permitted in your church and see how long it takes for you to stir up problems that you can’t control. The very fact that you say such a thing implies that this is official policy for your church, and in a way, it reflects the beliefs of all within you denomination. People don’t understand the idea of independent Baptist Churches. See what damage Westboro Baptist’s “Godhatesfags” web site has done. They certainly do preach the Gospel of Christ wherever they go, and they have caused problems for every other church in the area that calls themselves Baptist.

          • Kay Lowe

            How so? I think everyone knows they are an aberration.

          • Kay Lowe

            LOL, I actually bought the domain name and FB “wehatewestborobaptisthaters.com”, but never did anything w/it after Mr. Fred died. They’re really not quite as active anymore, are they? I don’t hear as much about them. I despise them. Of course, they need prayer, but I just get so ANGRY!

          • RWH

            And your proof is?

          • getstryker

            Again, from the article: “Cochran said the he indeed did seek out the ethics officer prior to publishing the book, and not only was he granted permission to proceed, but he was also allowed to include in his biography that he served as the fire chief of Atlanta. He said that he gave a copy of the publication to Reed in January 2014 — nearly a year before the controversy erupted—and was told by the mayor that he would read it” Chief Cochran’s attorneys also stated: “. . . most of the subordinates who were gifted with a copy of Cochran’s book had requested it, and that none had objected to receiving the publication.” – All in all, If he ‘doesn’t win, I’ll be surprised.

          • pastoredsmith

            If this chief loses this battle, free speech will have taken another dive down the abyss. Government will then have the unmitigated authority to decide what speech is appropriate and what is not according to the current dictates of the town council. This should NEVER be in America.

          • RWH

            If you are working at a job, your employer has every right to regulate your speech, especially if you are doing it on the job. Your “First-Amendment” rights stop the minute you accept a paycheck. He is paying you to do a job, not to propagate ideas that may be contrary to company policy. If you want complete “First-Amendment” freedoms, go get a lot of money and move someplace isolated, and you can most likely do what you please as long as you don’t use those “First-Amendment” rights to cause harm to others, like setting the woods on fire or poisoning a lake by dumping in motor oil.

          • pastoredsmith

            Not true. When did this change take place? It has not always been. It has not even always been during my lifetime, and I’m in my late 50’s.
            It was always my understanding that, when I accept a paycheck, I am in agreement with my employer and agree to support them with my loyalty as an employee. NEVER has the government given private business or even government offices the privilege to override the First Amendment.
            It has always been in this country that if my speech causes harm, I can be liable for the damage caused; but even then, it is not “regulated.”
            It is a dangerous and slippery slope to allow any government in our land the right to decide what an employee can say, publish or do under their rights as a free American.
            And, the things you describe are not free speech! “setting the woods on fire or poisoning a lake by dumping in motor oil” do not fall under the same as freedom of the press or speech. And, as I said, if my speech does cause harm, whether I intended it or not, it is still not regulated by government.
            So, you are implying that the government should regulate speech on the media? Anything that goes over the broadcast media or Internet should be regulated by the government? After all, these public media have government-issued licenses to broadcast. They have to meet government regulations and benefit from the free market that we have been granted by God, not government. But, as a government licensee, does that not fall under the same umbrella?
            No, I think not. I stand firm on the premise that, once government is granted the ability to censor free speech, EVERY PERSON in America suffers the loss of freedoms.

          • Parque_Hundido

            This has always been the case, since long before you were born. Employers have broad discretion to regulate all forms of expression, even off the job.

            You may disagree with this, but your ignorance isn’t enough to create a legal controversy here. There isn’t one.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            You seem to be under the mistaken impression that the first amendment allows citizens to say whatever they please, at any time they please, and in any setting they please. That is not correct.

            When you accept employment, you agree to live by the rules set by your employer. You are not allowed to utilize speech which is disruptive to the place of employment. You are not allowed to utilize speech that creates a hostile environment for other workers. Etc.

            This suggestion that the first amendment provides some type of right to say whatever you want, whenever you want, and in any setting you want, is simply incorrect. Are you legally allowed to go out in front of your house at 3 in the morning with a bullhorn and start exercising your right of free speech? How about standing up in the middle of a restaurant? Would you allowed, for example, to go into work and start spouting off about how you believe all black people are inferior and should be shipped back to Africa?

          • RWH

            Don’t be so sure that he will win. A Google search will reveal that there are two sides to the story, and this approval is in dispute. Human Resources states that he did not receive permission. Also, the fact that he “gifted” people while on the job puts a different wrinkle on things. This puts an official stamp on his beliefs, and if he is acting based on his “convictions” rather than policy, his superiors have the right to act. According to Google, people have stepped forward and documented harassment. Not all harassment is provable, but when someone hands out a book stating that a group of people working under him are wicked people, that constitutes a hostile work environment. It makes litigation so much easier because he smoked himself out. I have seen some people at my various jobs who have had some very nasty hidden agendas, and sometimes it takes a while to get solid documentation to nail them down. This Chief has provided the solid documentation.

          • getstryker

            I would agree that none of us have all the facts to this case . . . my comments were based on what was presented in the article. We will see what happens when this all comes to a head.

          • Parque_Hundido

            “Most”?

            He’s toast. He will lose. End of story.

          • weasel1886

            You are wrong. You do not have free spech rights on the job

          • pastoredsmith

            Where do you read that in the US Constitution? Not there. And, this guy wasn’t on the job when he published a book. A Christian devotional book. Since when is Christianity prohibited on the job? The answer is, it is NOT.

          • weasel1886

            Religious expression can be prohibited by an employer

          • pastoredsmith

            If that is true, then any employer can decide what is allowed and what is not allowed as “free speech” by their employees. No, that is not true, and if you pray, it would be to your own advantage if you pray that doesn’t become law in this country. You could be fired by some employers for making the statement you just made because they could consider IT inappropriate speech by an employee. The point is that if one area of speech is allowed to be censored by an employer, any area of speech is subject to censorship.
            You are wrong “weasel” whoever you are hiding behind that “handle..” And, I pray you never are right.

          • BarkingDawg

            If you want to make this about the first amendment, fine. But then you have to deal with the fact that the ex-chief violated the establishment clause of the first amendment when he handed out copies of his religeous tract to his subordinates.

            As a person of authority in a government job, he was not allowed to do that.

          • pastoredsmith

            Idiocy and completely incorrect. This is the USA, not Communist China. The government has no authority to command, censor or prohibit the distribution of printed materials.
            Yes, it is against the First Amendment…..and the First Amendment does not prohibit a private individual from starting a church, telling others about Christ nor distributing his religious books.
            Any way you slice this situation, the Chief’s freedoms of religion and speech were violated by a rogue city government that is out of control and apparently wishes to change the Constitution. They can’t do that.

          • Maggi Fitzgibbon Escamilla

            You didn’t answer his question BarkingDawg

          • Parque_Hundido

            You don’t understand the constitution and appear to be demanding special rights. I can’t think of what would be less American than your behavior.

          • Maggi Fitzgibbon Escamilla

            Right or wrong. He has a right to his opinions. You should know that if you claim to know the Constitution you refer to.

      • weasel1886

        You do not have free speech rights on the job

        • pastoredsmith

          Again, I say, Where do you read that in the US Constitution? Not there. And, this guy wasn’t on the job when he published a book. A Christian devotional book. Since when is Christianity prohibited on the job? The answer is, it is NOT.

          • weasel1886

            He used company time to distribute his book to people under his supervision without permission from his boss. Any employer would fire you for that.
            Employers have the right to control your speech and actions when on the clock and sometimes off of it. The courts have upheld the employers rights in these cases.
            He will lose this case.

          • getstryker

            From the last sentence of the article: “Furthermore, the First Amendment fully protects the freedom of any public employee to distribute religious materials at work to those willing to receive them, and no city rule—written or unwritten—can override that freedom.” – We will see what happens.

          • Parque_Hundido

            The first amendment offers no such protection. He will lose this dispute with his former employer.

          • weasel1886

            That is someones opinion not law. An employer can certainly control what you do or say on the clock. You have very few rights on the job

          • Parque_Hundido

            Religion can be and is orohibited on the job. In Atlanta, no one is allowed to distribute religious tracts on the job.

            Why do you think this man deserves special rights?

          • weasel1886

            Expressing ones faith on the job can be prohibited by an employer.

        • getstryker

          I agreed with you about restriction of free speech while in military service, however, I would disagree with your comment here and I do believe ‘pastoredsmith’ comment below is correct.

          • weasel1886

            Companies have the right and do control what you say and do on the job. It settled law. I can pray all i want on my job but start preaching to others and i will be fired.
            We lose most of our rights when on the clock

      • Parque_Hundido

        You fundamentally misunderstand the first amendment.

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        “No government has the right to censor speech of its employees, either on or off the job. ”

        Where in the world did you come up with that? In it’s role as an employer, any government based employer most certainly has the right to censor speech in the workplace, just like all employers.

  • http://textsincontext.wordpress.com Michael Snow

    Hope more Christians will support him in reading his well written book. It would be good for a group Bible Study. It is a shame all the negative comments he gets from people who, obviously, have not even read the book.

    http://tinyurl.com/mdvc15u

    • Parque_Hundido

      It’s a badly written, self-published religious tract. It’s embarrassingly bad in every way.

      • Marvels of life

        As a citizen of Mexico, it is difficult for me to see you comment on anything relevant to the United States. If you want to discuss religion in any fashion this site is not for you. Stick with your perspective related to Mexico. It may be then that you have more credibility.

        • Parque_Hundido

          You’re in charge of who gets to have an opinion about which things? I dont think so.

          Since when does religion map to national boundaries? And how do you know details of my citizenship?

          If you would limit your comments to what you know, you’d give a lot less advice to others. And you’d post a whole lot less.

          • Marvels of life

            I’m talking strictly about your influence in America. You have none.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You would know this how?

            I can tell by your poorly constructed sentences and Ill conceived ideas that you are a big nobody. I don’t mean to come across as snobbish, but you’re not exactly a power broker. I’m guessing Alabama, am I right?

          • Marvels of life

            But you are snobbish and that’s the whole point.. and not with just me. My goal is to stop this personal attack stuff, but your not helping. Just mellow out and speak about the issues or you could just leave it alone, and I’ll do the same. I didn’t say I was a somebody, I’m a Christian sinner.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Actually, you told me to shut up because you thought I was Mexican. And you imagined yourself superior to Mexicans, hence the hushing. And the rebuke.

          • Maggi Fitzgibbon Escamilla

            “Won’t you people”? Who is YOU people?

          • Marvels of life

            You can have your opinions, that is not the case here. The case is your claims to be a Satanist passing out candy to our children. You may be able to do that in Mexico, but I’m not sure any parent that knew would allow it to continue. If I’m wrong about you then prove that. In other words explain to me where you live in a general way. Tell me what nationality you are. Explain to me if you are a Satanist or just playing a sick twisted game. I can’t dictate anything to you other than to tell you, if your a Satanist explain to me the type of practices you adhere to. If you can prove me wrong, I’ll concede I’m wrong and you won’t hear from me again. If being a bigot means that I’m firmly against Satanism then so be it. I am firmly against Satanism, consider it to be sick, consider it to be a cult, and consider it to be dangerous. I can get along with anyone except for one that worships Satan. Satan is my enemy and as such I will do anything possible to expose people that claim to be Satanists. Satan is evil incarnate and those that follow Satan will have to account for that when death comes. I ask that you renounce Satan no matter where you live.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You have a reading comprehension problem. We handed out coloring books from the satanic temple to school kids in Florida. Florida is a part of the United States. I provided a link to the press coverage.

            I do not live in Mexico City. Even a moron can tell from my IP address that I’m posting from Chicago.

            Don’t give up your day job to become an Internet detectve as you will starve to death.

          • Marvels of life

            Are you a U.S. citizen?

          • Parque_Hundido

            I thought you knew my citizenship.

            What’s your passport number?

            You cannot seriously believe I’d give personal information to some hillbilly troll.

          • Marvels of life

            I do, your just not brave enough to answer the question.

          • Parque_Hundido

            So far, your track record suggests you’re incompetent with the most basic of Internet tools. Let’s review. So far, you have:
            – threatened me with exposure of personal details you obviously do not have
            – displayed an inability to use Google properly
            – shown that you cannot understand basic written Spanish
            – used racist slurs to try to demean me
            – tried to tell me to shut up because you believe I’m Mexican.

            Based on this, not only are you a horrible detective, you are a horrible person.

          • Make a life by what we give

            This will be my last comment. Your opinion of me is yours.
            You have stated similar information to a host of others.
            You have been stating you have influence in the U.S. Your not a U.S. Citizen
            You claim to be a Satanist. Telling me I’m horrible would be a compliment considering Satanists
            You have been demeaning others constantly, I don’t expect that to change
            Spanish?
            You attack everyone you are in contact with I have yet to see a kind word
            I found you by looking at what you said, what you confirmed, your Youtube video(s) which have your name on it.
            I’ve seen all your pictures on FB. I’ve seen the comments on your FB page, most in Spanish.
            Your FB page correlates with your youtube page.
            Your FB page stated where you lived, what you did, 515 friends in your network. Pictures of every crazy looking creature someone could imagine. You stated your friend lost his voice and there would be no show for that evening which disappointed your friends. The show was likely a fake paranormal show from the web site you have posted.

            Now if I’m wrong, then there are so many coincidences that add up, that you have confirmed on these very pages, then I will accept I’m wrong and you won’t have to worry about a thing. But if I’m right, and only you will know that for sure, than you have not been telling the truth. It’s as simple as that.

          • Parque_Hundido

            This will be your last post because you are dead wrong.

            I have never before heard of this person, I do not have a YouTube page and I do not live in Mexico City. I am a US citizen.

            You’ve managed to get yourself all worked up and you managed to find someone in Mexico City who had a radio program about ghosts. No satan involved.

            There is no satan. The satanic temple only exists because it taps into your fears and superstitions. It’s a rhetorical device we trot out whenever some religious group wants to put their stamp all over some public institution.

            That you get all worked up over nothing and managed to convince yourself of something that is flatly untrue does not speak well of you or your religious beliefs.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            If there is no Satan why did you say there was. If there is no Satan than why did you make a remark telling me and others that you will pass out candy to our little children. Do you practice stalking little kids? I’m not worked up, you haven’t seen worked up yet. Even the atheist has nothing to do with you. I’ve seen your discussions and everything you say is degrading. You have confirmed Mexico City as a residence were you just lying? Nothing? Making a statement that that you were part of a group of Satanist’s that threatened to pass out Satan’s literature into schools? That is nothing? You say that you will win because you believe in Satan? You’re a mockery of yourself. If you deny this you are also a liar and the truth is no where to be found in your statements about me or anyone else. So jump down off that high horse of yours, and learn how to have a conversation without being an immature poor you type of person. I not only disagree with you and your claims of Satanism, that after this comment people will see the truth. If what I have found out about you is untrue prove it. Prove it. Show me some evidence I’m wrong. Are you not from Mexico? You don’t get it. You call me a bigot, and then you become the bigot. You state things are untrue and then show that your comments are made up of lies. Your the very type of person I have little respect for. There are good people and bad, and I’ll let other people tell you what you are to them. From what I’ve seen we all are in agreement. Your an evil person with evil intent. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it. Stop pushing me into a corner. Or you will see how far I will go to stop you from your terror.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You have serious reading comprehension issues.
            – I never said Satan was real, you did.
            – We did hand out Satan-themed coloring books to children. I provided the news link.
            – I have no idea where your stalking questions comes from, though I suspect it’s your past.
            – You are a parody, the turbo-charged stereotype of the gullible, superstitious hillbilly who can’t distinguish fact from fiction. You use religion as a vehicle and excuse for your own ignorance.
            – I can’t say you’re evil, as you’re not that smart. But I can say this: you’re just the type of person to take up pitchforks and torches over nothing. The Salem witch trials depended on your brand of lemming-like idiocy.
            – You’re pushing yourself into a corner because of your ridiculous superstitions. That you manage to get yourself all worked up over nothing, threaten me, hurl racist insults at me and deem me “evil”, speaks volumes about you, not me.
            – By ‘we are all in agreement’, I can only presume you refer to the voices in your head.

            I will give you an award for over-wrought, adolescent drama for this line: “Or you will see how far I will go to stop you from your terror.” That looks like something a 14 year old would write in his first attempt at bad playwriting. LOL.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Lets review: All of the quotes are yours

            These are all quotes you’ve made to me and others. You praise Satan and include yourself as a part of Satanism then say Satan is not real? You are evil, and also a liar and hypocrite all rolled into one. I’m going to find and quote everthing you’ve said so people know exactly who you are. A person with no values, no moral standing, and evil incarnate. Saying that Satan is not real than stating you are a member of a cult of Satan. It says alot about your character. More to follow.

            I Quote from your comments: Your comments are related to Mexico, and Satan.
            By the way, it’s spelled “siesta” and there is no such thing in Mexico City
            You people are all the same. You’re easy to scare because of your superstitious minds. Weak, sheep like minds.
            He’s the model for the statues we will be placing in your kids’ schools.
            We don’t have to rely on luck.
            You saw what we did in Florida? We will destroy you.
            We just want to get back to traditional holidays by placing statues of satan and the Easter bunny in all public buildings. And on license plates. And on the currency.
            Hail Satan! Have a demonic day!
            The beauty of our plan is that your cooperation and consent aren’t required for our success. You are doomed to failure. Count on it.
            No. We will destroy these laws in every state that has been foolish enough to pass them. We will not rest until we yank religion out of public life.
            Hail Satan! Have a demonic afternoon!
            We will be offering coloring books featuring Satan for children. We will be distributing Satan – shaped candy. We will have monuments to Lord Satan everywhere
            we handed out satanic temple coloring books for children.
            Hail Satan an have a demonic day!
            We will add music to the statue. We may give out candy to children.
            Hail Satan! Have a satanic day!
            We will be offering coloring books featuring Satan for children. We will be distributing Satan – shaped candy. We will have monuments to Lord Satan everywhere religionists insist on putting up monuments to the 10 commandments, the bible or whatever christian thing you feel the need to put on public property.
            The bad part of catholicism is, of course, the child molestation, the thievery and the kind of intellectual dishonesty we see from poor fools like Nick
            Delusions of grandeur much? Are you so narcissistic as to think people are following you?
            Perhaps this is just misplaced guilt from abusing those children, defending Nazis and blaming others for your crimes.
            It seems you lose many arguments, mistaking your cult superstitions for real world facts.
            You are a real mess!
            I hope you stay away from kids this easter. The last thing we need is a child molester in a bunny outfit giving candy to kids.
            Let’s hope the monument to Lord Satan gets equal support.
            Please help us put a monument to Satan, angel of light, right next to their bible monument. We will have better lighting and free candy for children.
            Hail Satan! Have a demonic day!
            Thankfully, this will also allow us to place our monument to the Angel of Light.
            Hail Satan!

            We can see you’re own contradictions and hypocrisy. You can’t escape what you say, the evidence is clear enough of who you are as a person.

          • Parque_Hundido

            LOL

            Nowhere do I claim that Satan is real.no more real than the Easter Bunny.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            You miss the point. It’s what you say that makes you who you are. Just because you state you don’t claim Satan is real isn’t very convincing. The term “we” as you use it means you include yourself in the Satanic agenda. So don’t go there. Your embarrassing yourself.

          • Parque_Hundido

            No, you miss the point. There is no easter bunny. Satan is just as real. As is the “satanic agenda”. You don’t seem to get that we are making fun of you but you are awfully good at demonstrating why.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            If that is so, then why are you a Satanist. Why do you think it’s funny to say your going to give candy shaped Satan to little children? How can anyone take you seriously if your a part of the “Satanic Agenda” and then say there is no Satan. Your making fun of yourself. “WE”? Who is we? You were asked that as well by another person. Can’t you answer simple questions? Talking about demonstrations. Your quotes are demonstrations of how demented you are.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Why are you a Muslim terrorist? You’ve provided no proof to the contrary.

            Kids like candy. So do adults. What’s your problem? Do you hate candy? Do you hate kids?

            I think you’re a Muslim terrorist, candy hating pedophobe. Prove you aren’t or I’ll get super duper mad with a lit of exclamation marks !!!!!!

            And grumpy faces.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Again irrelevant, prove your not what I claim you to be.

          • Parque_Hundido

            I will, just as soon as you explain why you hate kids and candy.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Tell us why you hate kids and candy. Do it. I dare you to answer

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Try again please, and stop lying.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Stop hating children and candy.

            Answer my questions. I dare you.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Nope.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You’re too much of a coward. Answer my question. Why do you hate kids and kandy?

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Don’t waste my time.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Coward. Candy hater.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Coward. Tell us why you hate children. Why do you hate freedom? Why do you hate America?

          • Parque_Hundido

            Coward. Candy hater.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Tell us why you hate kids and Kandy so much. Coward.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Coward. Tell us why you hate children. And candy.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Coward. Candy hating child hater.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You’re the liar. Why do you hate kids and Kandy?

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            How original lol.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Why do you hate freedom, children and candy?

          • Parque_Hundido

            Candy hating pedophobe.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Let’s remind everyone what your talking about related to children and candy: I’m sure they will want to hear what you have to say about their kids. Oh and to remind everyone that your a Satanist wanting to hand out candy that looks like Satan. I’m sure that will make people think about who you are.

            These are all quotes you’ve made to me and others. You praise Satan and include yourself as a part of Satanism then say Satan is not real? You are evil, and also a liar and hypocrite all rolled into one. I’m going to find and quote everthing you’ve said so people know exactly who you are. A person with no values, no moral standing, and evil incarnate. Saying that Satan is not real than stating you are a member of a cult of Satan. It says alot about your character. More to follow.

            By the way, it’s spelled “siesta” and there is no such thing in Mexico City
            You people are all the same. You’re easy to scare because of your superstitious minds. Weak, sheep like minds.
            He’s the model for the statues we will be placing in your kids’ schools.
            We don’t have to rely on luck.
            You saw what we did in Florida? We will destroy you.
            We just want to get back to traditional holidays by placing statues of satan and the Easter bunny in all public buildings. And on license plates. And on the currency.
            Hail Satan! Have a demonic day!
            The beauty of our plan is that your cooperation and consent aren’t required for our success. You are doomed to failure. Count on it.
            No. We will destroy these laws in every state that has been foolish enough to pass them. We will not rest until we yank religion out of public life.
            Hail Satan! Have a demonic afternoon!
            We will be offering coloring books featuring Satan for children. We will be distributing Satan – shaped candy. We will have monuments to Lord Satan everywhere
            we handed out satanic temple coloring books for children.
            Hail Satan an have a demonic day!
            We will add music to the statue. We may give out candy to children.
            Hail Satan! Have a satanic day!
            We will be offering coloring books featuring Satan for children. We will be distributing Satan – shaped candy. We will have monuments to Lord Satan everywhere religionists insist on putting up monuments to the 10 commandments, the bible or whatever christian thing you feel the need to put on public property.
            The bad part of catholicism is, of course, the child molestation, the thievery and the kind of intellectual dishonesty we see from poor fools like Nick
            Delusions of grandeur much? Are you so narcissistic as to think people are following you?
            Perhaps this is just misplaced guilt from abusing those children, defending Nazis and blaming others for your crimes.
            It seems you lose many arguments, mistaking your cult superstitions for real world facts.
            You are a real mess!
            I hope you stay away from kids this easter. The last thing we need is a child molester in a bunny outfit giving candy to kids.
            Let’s hope the monument to Lord Satan gets equal support.
            Please help us put a monument to Satan, angel of light, right next to their bible monument. We will have better lighting and free candy for children.
            Hail Satan! Have a demonic day!
            Thankfully, this will also allow us to place our monument to the Angel of Light.
            Hail Satan!

          • Parque_Hundido

            Let’s focus: you hate candy, kids and America.

            Please explain why.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You’ve come out as hating both children and candy. Why do you hate so much?

          • Parque_Hundido

            You hate freedom. You hate America. You hate kids. You hate kandy. You’re a monster!!!!!

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Talking about stressed out. What are you talking about, have you completely gone bonkers?

          • Parque_Hundido

            No, you hate freedom so much that you want to ban those with whom you disagree. Do you want to take these words back crazy man?

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            I still don’t have a clue as to what your talking about. And I believe your the one that owes me an apology for lying about me, and for slandering me. Do you skip from topic to topic like this all the time?

          • Parque_Hundido

            You hate kids and candy. You hate freedom and America.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            How did you come up with that conclusion. That is as you well know not the truth, and neither are your other comments. So I’m expecting an apology, and expecting you to start telling the truth.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You’re against me distributing my religious literature to children in schools. You’re against me distributing candy to kids in schools. Ergo, you hate kids, you hate candy, you hate freedom and you hate America.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            I hear that “Wyoming” has a law against Satanists and Candy looking like Satan. Hey maybe you can relate to Devil’s Tower. I here its great this time of year.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Uh, no, not unless “Wyoming” is different than Wyoming. As Wyoming is a state in the United States, there can be no such law.

            I’m not sure if it was civics or geography that you flunked, but the effect is the same: you’re wrong.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            LOL, once again you’re naive way of thinking (having or showing a lack of experience, judgment, or information; credulous:) has no bounds. How about reading about what what Wyoming says about Satanism:

            https://books.google.com/books?id=MY7sQuT0MnMC&pg=PA177&lpg=PA177&dq=wyoming+Satanist&source=bl&ots=FPYyfBPnIh&sig=JQU3MjRb0BTjN_gWyO-LrKt7lXY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=88MdVc3MAcOcgwTHvoLwAg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=wyoming%20Satanist&f=false

          • Parque_Hundido

            Why on earth would anyone care about some tabloid story from Wyoming?

            You seem to be under the mistaken impression that “freedom of religion” is limited to religions you like and approve. Not so.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            How so, Satanism is a hoax not a religion. Or so you say.

          • Parque_Hundido

            The book you cited suggests that “Satanic child abuse” is a hoax, a collective delusion, much like the accusations of witchcraft in New England in the 17th century.

            Did you not even bother to read the book?

            Do you know what a hoax is?

            I didn’t think so.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Do you want more evidence of Satanists and their practices. Evil will fall. I found the book very interesting, as I find Wyoming to be interesting. Here is your quote: “As Wyoming native, I see how much my state has in common with West Virginia,”. Don’t think I’m about to stop researching who you are. More evidence will surface as I tie everything together. That is what makes for good detective work. Let me give you a little more:
            You state your IP address is from Chicago. That doesn’t mean you live in Chicago, it means that you pass through Comcast management servers. That happens all around the country.
            You mentioned passport: I wonder what your doing going from Wyoming to Mexico City. Hmmm.
            You state your going to distribute candy shaped like Satan to little children and Satanist literature. Now I wonder where your supplies for that are coming from??? Hmmm
            The more you say, the more I’ll be able to link everything together, and that is what I intend to do. Say what you want, but I’ll find out. More quotes to come from you (smile)

          • Parque_Hundido

            Also, you realize that this book describes satanism as a hoax, or a collective delusion, don’t you?

            You really need to work on your internet skills.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            If it is a hoax, then why did you claim to be a Satanist? Why did you say “we” in your statements about Satanist’s passing out literature in a public school. Why did you say you were going to pass out candy that looked like Satan? You see you can’t have it both ways, either you support their acts or you don’t. Which is it?

          • Parque_Hundido

            YOU CITED THE BOOK. You obviously didn’t even read the jacket cover.

            How do you get through the day without sticking your fingers in light sockets?

            I never said I was a satanist. I said I’m going to hand out satan themed candy and coloring books in any school that has a monument to any christian crap.

            And I meant it.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            You have chosen your path, and here will be the results of that choice.
            28And
            when Yeshua came to the other side to the region of the Gadarenes, two
            demoniacs met him, who came out from the graveyard, extremely evil, so
            that no man could pass on that road.
            29And
            they cried out and they were saying, “What do we have to do with you,
            Yeshua, Son of God? Have you come here before the time to punish us?”
            30But there was distant from them a herd of many pigs grazing.
            31But those demons were begging him and saying, “If you cast us out, allow us to go into the herd of pigs.”
            32And
            Yeshua said to them, “Go”, and at once they came out and they entered
            into the pigs. And that whole herd went straight over the cliff and fell
            into the sea and died in the water.
            33But those who had been herding them fled and went to the city and revealed everything that had happened and about the demoniacs.
            34

          • Parque_Hundido

            You hate candy. You hate children and you hate freedom. And you cite books you don’t even bother to read.

            Moron.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            I’ve already read that over and over again since you post these lies over and over again. You continue to make me laugh. I don’t like laughing and people but in your case you’re such a nutcase. Come on you can do better than that. Tell me what you really think lol.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You don’t like it when I rub salt in your wound. You’re one dumb cracker.

            What about my Mexican passport? What about your super detective skills? LOL

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            LOL, I think its the other way around bud. I didn’t know it was a Mexican passport. Thanks for the info. It could be useful.

          • Parque_Hundido

            No, I enjoy rubbing your nose in your own idiocy. Let me guess: you don’t have a passport because you’ve never left your trailer court? I’m right, aren’t I?

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Enjoy while you can because your afraid of something. Never lived in a trailer how is it? I’m going to figure out what this connection is between your travels from Wyoming to Mexico City. It may be family or may be worse but that is my mission. Once I figure it out, and I will, you’ll never pass another piece of Satan candy to any of our children again. You started this but I’m going to finish it. You don’t seem to recognize the power of Christians in America. So keep talking there big guy.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Ohhh! Trailer court Nancy Drew is on the case! What will she find?

            I recognize that you have a hard time using the internet. Am I supposed to recognize some magical power?

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            You know I really like cookies. You know, the ones that come in Star Wars. “Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies.” LOL, WyWatch, now I see you’re a cowboy this is just too much fun!!!

          • Parque_Hundido

            Oh no! Scooby and the gang are about to discover public information on the internet!

            You are a grade A moron.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Oh I see, public and private. It still is all about knowing who you are. And it won’t stop until you stop. Did you know that only 15 years ago the definition for moron was a person with Downs Syndrome. Now your a bigot against people with disabilities. It’s at the heart of your evil intentions.

          • Parque_Hundido

            The word you’re looking for is “mongoloid”, “moron” meant someone with an IQ below 70. For someone who fancies himself an online Nancy Drew, your mistakes are awfully frequent and crass.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Same thing look it up

          • Parque_Hundido

            No, Nancy. Very different ideas. “Mongoloid” represented a eugenic concept. “Moron” did not. Sorry.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Seems I just proved you wrong. And that will continue to happen.

          • Parque_Hundido

            No. You’re just ignorant of history. Given that you can barely write English, I am not surprised.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            No, I proved you wrong.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine
          • Parque_Hundido

            How should we refer to you?

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            You can refer to me as a man that almost died 4 weeks ago. Call me a changed man. How’s that

          • Parque_Hundido

            So, “deranged” or “sanity challenged”?

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            How did you come up with that? How does being close to death even close to deranged or sanity challenged, and why is that in quotes. Have you seen someone else state that?

          • Parque_Hundido

            Because these terms map to the behavior you exhibit here.

          • StarkStealthArmor

            That is simply not true.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Did you or did you not claim that you knew what decorations I kept on my lawn in Mexico City? Did you or did you not claim that my real name was Don Calaca?

          • StarkStealthArmor

            My assumption is that you have apologized in some way to the handicapped, so I have not pursued that any further. But make no mistake. I oppose everything you stand for. I stick by my apology because I was wrong to call you “little Mexican”. I thank you for accepting that apology.

          • Parque_Hundido

            I said nothing to offend the handicapped. We’ve been over this: you’ve confused the offensive “mongoloide” with “moron”. The latter was derived from the Greek and refers to those with IQs of about 70.

          • StarkStealthArmor

            I disagree, I think the word ‘moron’ is definitely an offensive word to the handicapped. As was shown from the Down’s syndrome link I provided it is obvious that the word ‘moron’ was associated with down syndrome people. Mongoloide is just as bad. So I’m taking it that you haven’t made an apology. You should in my opinion, again not to me, but to the page that demonstrated such a destructive word for downs syndrome.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Your ability to discern good from bad sources of information has been an issue in the past. In this instance, you’re simply mistaken.

          • StarkStealthArmor

            Let’s clear this up. Would you apologize to a handicapped, or disabled person if you called them a ‘moron’?

          • Parque_Hundido

            What would my motive be? Has the person just said something horrible to me that demonstrates complete disregard for the truth or common sense? In that case, the person’s status as handicapped is a red herring.

          • StarkStealthArmor

            Unbelievable

          • Paul

            Some people are really, really slow.

          • StarkStealthArmor

            I’m just shocked at this guy. Again all I can say is unbelievable

          • Paul

            Sometimes you just have to shake your head and walk away.

          • StarkStealthArmor

            Your right. And believe me I’ve tried.

          • StarkStealthArmor

            I’m going to give you one more try at this. If you were to call a person with downs syndrome a “moran” would you apologize for that. Do you understand now what I’m saying. People will be watching your response this time, so make it good.

          • Parque_Hundido

            What’s my motive? I called you a moron because you willfully disregarded common decency and common sense to spread lies about me and about another person.

            In your scenario, does the person with Downs syndrome call me racist epithets, threaten me and then willfully repeat lies? I just want to understand.

          • StarkStealthArmor

            Recall the beginning of our conversation, or must I bring it up again, so people that are watching can see and understand why I’ve done what I did, apologized, then through you’re arrogance called me everything in the book. You proclaimed Satan and passing out candy to schools that looked like Satan, than stated later after a total lack of empathy at all that you would continue to do so (pass out devil candy) to little children and I couldn’t stop yo. Do you meet the test of being racist. Have you not lied the entire time?

            I’m not even referring to me when I ask a simple yes or no to my question. You challenged me to research you and that is what I did, mind you, with you’re permission beforehand. Shall I list all of the comments you have made and slanderous remarks you have made to me, and I add to others on CNS.

            My question does not relate to me. It’s a matter of what you’re character is. The question presented is a yes or no question, not a question of deflection. Don’t switch gears now, just answer the question, yes, or no. If you don’t recall the question I will ask again. Would you apologize to a person with downs syndrome after calling them a “moron”? Depending on you’re answer, it will show everyone who you are. I would expect that you would be able to overcome you’re pride and ego in order to show someone that you would apologize. Once you give an answer I will simply say, Thanks for you’re answer to the question. So what is it? A yes, or a no. As you explain you’re reasoning be aware that you not only started this child’s play, you endorse irrational behavior, which I can easily quote you on once again. So, is it yes or no. No more crying. No more insults, just answer the question.

          • Parque_Hundido

            So you’ve shown all the people watching how you:
            – fabricated stories about who I am,
            – deliberately told lies about me *and* someone in Mexico City who you mistook for me;
            – threatened me with removal from this site since you claimed to gphave influence;
            – misattributed claims about religion to me;
            – have in general behaved like a fool.

            Is this correct?

            And these same people are expecting that I will apologize to you?

            I’ll call your bluff. You brought up the Downs Syndrome thing for one purpose only: to distract from any recollection of your own atrocious behavior.

          • StarkStealthArmor

            Nope, that isn’t the reason. The reason is to give you the opportunity to show others and myself that you’re a human being with character: So far you’ve shown nothing of character. You’re a sick man. When I say sick you can’t even be big enough to say you would apologize to a person with Downs. Nothing you’re saying is correct. You sir are a liar. You know it, I know it, and it isn’t going to change. You believe you’re superior, but what you really are is irrelevant. What I mean by that is, nothing that comes from you is truth.

          • Parque_Hundido

            I’m sorry you’re obsessed with insulting people with Downs Syndrome. I would encourage you to work through those issues.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Just out of morbid curiosity, who are all these people you think are reading this? Did they also read your bizarre claims to have “discovered” that I was a radio host from Mexico City? Would these people be interested in knowing that your “research” involved the fabrication of a story about who you thought I was!?

            There is a golden rule about holes. When you find yourself in one, stop digging. You don’t seem to know when to stop.

            On many occasions, I have handed out all kinds of satan themed stuff – candy, coloring books, brochures – in order to make the point that freedom of religion doesn’t mean that christian extremists like you get to dictate which kinds of religious expression are permissible. You still don’t seem to understand that point, as you repeatedly bring up the issue of satanism as though it were evidence of something.

            I’ll say it again: I’m going to hand out satan themed coloring books and candy at any school where Christians feel the need to distribute bibles or religious tracts. Doing so is almost always enough to make the Christians stop. And in case you didn’t get the memo, there is no such thing as satan. We know it spooks you people, so that’s why we choose it. You are a victim of your own childish superstitions.

          • StarkStealthArmor

            You are a poor excuse for a human being, but you know that already. You are from Mexico City, you do fly back and forth from Wyoming (source Twitter) you have lied about most everything since you started, contradictions of your own making. You did say the things I’ve posted, you won’t get near a child again you claim there is no such thing as Satan, then go on to say your going to be satanic, what have I missed. Oh lets start here: You’re quotes:
            “Let’s hope the monument to Lord Satan gets equal support. (Notice Lord Satan)
            Please help us put a monument to Satan, angel of light, right next to their bible monument. We will have better lighting and free candy for children. (Notice we again)
            Hail Satan! Have a demonic day!”
            “Thankfully, this will also allow us to place our monument to the Angel of Light.
            Hail Satan!” (Notice intent and comment about Satan)

            “I do not live in Mexico City. Even a moron can tell from my IP address that I’m posting from Chicago.” (Notice the word “moron” again. The implication is that he does not go to Mexico City, and that he lives in Chicago. Both are lies, he lives in Wyoming, and travels to Mexico City. He does not live in Chicago. Misdirection)

          • Parque_Hundido

            LOL. I love that you’ve given me such a big place in your life. I’m wondering if you’re coming on to me. Is this stalking, or just a crush? Not all of these words were directed at you, which means that you’ve been busy thinking about me. I can see that. I’m pretty awesome.

          • Iwearmysunglassesatnight

            In the name of Christ, I cast you out Demon!

          • StarkStealthArmor

            Quotes from you:
            (Again a personal attack:) It must be because you’re off your meds. For your information, I speak four languages. You barely write English. I don’t think you’re in a position to test me or anyone else. You are a moron. (He uses Google translate. Moron once again, meds????)

            “I hope you stay away from kids this easter. The last thing we need is a “child molester” in a bunny outfit giving candy to kids.” (Notice the word he called me which is “child molester” a complete an utter lie as our many of his statements. He has referred to me as “Moron”, “Muslim hater” and others which again are all lies). “You are a grade A moron.” (Once again the use of moron)

            “We will add music to the statue. We may give out candy to children.
            Hail Satan! Have a satanic day!
            We will be offering coloring books featuring Satan for children. We will be distributing Satan – shaped candy. We will have monuments to Lord Satan everywhere religionists insist on putting up monuments to the 10 commandments, the bible or whatever christian thing you feel the need to put on public property.” (Notice the word “we” as if he is a member of some group)

            “The beauty of our plan is that your cooperation and consent aren’t required for our success. You are doomed to failure. Count on it. No. We will destroy these laws in every state that has been foolish enough to pass them. We will not rest until we yank religion out of public life. Hail Satan! Have a demonic afternoon!” (Notice the word we)

            – I never said Satan was real, you did.
            – We did hand out Satan-themed coloring books to children. (Notice he say’s he didn’t believe Satan is real and yet hands out Satan themed coloring books to our children)

            “Isn’t bearing false witness supposed to be a sin? Aren’t you worried about eternal damnation? Not if it involves someone you don’t like.” (This comment came right after my apology I’m sorry. God bless you. Hopefully you’ll recognize that all I want in life is to work for Christ. If I’ve done you harm, I apologize. I said I would not comment again, but when you asked me to apologize, I will humble myself before God and also ask for his forgiveness. No where did I not genuinely apologize this being the first time. )

            “hillbilly troll” (Immediately called me names)
            “You owe me an apology” (Done three times)
            “if I were expecting to find gullible, superstitious dupes, I’d expect to find them here.” (Notice he has attacked other people on Christian News site)

            Shall I go on? Next time you have something to say to me, make sure the mirror is close. Everything you say is a reflection of who you are as a person.

          • Parque_Hundido

            I’m delighted to see that you’ve been compiling my verses. Will you be publishing them as a book? I’ll want rights.

            I presume that this is from the missive you wrote to the website administrators. After all, you did threaten to have me removed, telling me that all of Christendom would join you in demanding my immediate expulsion.

            LOL.

          • Iwearmysunglassesatnight

            You hide behind that computer screen. I’m not hiding. Let’s see who you are dude

          • Parque_Hundido

            I thought you already knew. You’ve been telling people my name, where I live and all about my travel. You’re completely wrong, of course, but that doesn’t seem to stop you.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Seriously, “mongoloide” was Galton, “Moron” was Goddard. Basic history of science.

            Sorry. Wrong again.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            You saw where the article comes from. You see the difficulties that people with Down’s have. You saw in the article that the word “moron” evolved over time to “mongoloide”. What are you arguing? It’s very clear. I took care of three men, one of which had Downs Syndrome named Jay Jay. He was the sweetest man I have ever met, and because of him, the word moron becomes even more offensive to me. Just a little common sense man. That’s all it takes. But don’t offend others in your effort to offend me. That is just cruel.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Just admit you’re wrong.

            And coming from a man who called me “a little Mexican”, you have a lot of nerve.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Are you a Mexican or not? I will say you may not be little, but the question remains. However I think I already apologized for that. Are you a big enough man to apologize for your use of moron?

          • Parque_Hundido

            I think the term fits you well.

            No, I’m not going to tell you my nationality. Not again. If you’re such a genius, you should be able to figure that out. Besides, you already told everyone I was a “little Mexican”, so do you want to walk back that racist insult?

          • StarkStealthArmor

            Yes I do. Will you do the same by apologizing to the handicapped and disabled. A simple sorry is for them not me. I apologize for calling you a ‘little Mexican’. Now do you in turn want to apologize to Muslims for the same reason? I’m no genius that you can count on. But what I am attempting to do is to stop all of this. I make mistakes, clearly, I’m just curious if you would agree that you do too. I’m asking you kindly, not to deflect the questions. Face them head on and explain how we can settle this once and for all. This has been the third time I’ve apologized to you. Every time I do, you beat up on me some more. Can you just accept the apology and move on?

          • Parque_Hundido

            I accept your apology.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            When you read the article make sure to notice Moron. (smile)
            Seems your a bigot after all!

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            You owe the handicapped and disabled an apology for the use of moron. You should be ashamed of yourself

          • Parque_Hundido

            You have so many reasons to feel ashamed of yourself. What prevents you from feeling shame?

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            What reason’s are you speaking of. How does that have anything to do with you apologizing to the handicapped and disabled over the use of “moron”. I didn’t say it you did, then don’t understand what it refers to. What prevents you from being civil? You are the only one that I have had discussions with that I see your hateful comments being said to Christians, atheists, most anyone that makes a comment. It seems you hate people. Why is that? If you have opposing views and want to express an opinion that is one thing. If you’re wanting to be an A…H…. that is another. So which is it for you. Some logic and reason, or games? Because I’m tired of your games. I would rather talk to someone interested in topics and seeing their opinions, as opposed to playing word games with you.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Your inability to use the internet comes to mind. Or your racism.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            What is the relevance of the Internet and my use of it? RACISM? You have made derogatory comments about Muslims, the handicapped, you have lied about me, calling me everything possible, you have the intent to offend me at every opportunity. Why is that? Are you afraid of my doing research on you? You invited me to tell you what I found out, I stated I didn’t want to do that. All you have to is ask me to stop and I will. I really don’t care who you are, but I’m not going to set by and let you slander me either. So what is it going to be? You can set the rules I don’t care one way or the other. Don’t make a claim about who I am until you know who I am. If you would like to see what other people think about me as a person, I would be more than happy to share that with you. You began all this at the moment you said you were a Satanist. You can stop all of this right now. Otherwise don’t. I don’t care one way or the other.

          • Parque_Hundido

            LOL. You make it tough to not make fun of you. Yes, you’re a racist, and you don’t seem to know how to use the Internet. And I never said I was a satanist, you made that up.

            I don’t care if you share what you “learn”, because if the past is any guide, everything you “discover” will be wrong. Or do you not recall announcing that I was a radio host in Mexico City?

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            If your not supporting Satanism, go at it. If you are, people are not going to let you near a child, or allow you to hand out candy with Satan on it. It isn’t about freedom. It’s about the reputation of Satanists. They are violent people and have been known to hurt or even kill children. There is no tolerance for such behavior.

          • Parque_Hundido

            The most violent people in the world call themselves Christians. If you want freedom of religion, that has to include satanism. Sorry.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Satanism is a hoax not a religion, oh wait, did you change your mind? It seems you do that often, so who can trust what your saying or what your real position is? We can’t.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You cited the book, which you apparently didn’t even bother to read.

            Are you always this moronic or is this something special you reserve for your online persona?

          • Parque_Hundido

            Liar. Coward. Candy hater.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Now that we’ve established that you hate candy, kids and America, I’m not sure what to say. You’re obviously a terrorist monster off his meds. Plus Muslim.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Irrelevant answer the questions

          • Parque_Hundido

            Answer me first. Child hater.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Sorry try harder there bucko

          • Parque_Hundido

            You’re just afraid to answer.

            Child hater.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Come up with something original dude. Or not. Either way your a bonehead that lies.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Candy hating child hater. Fatty.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Answer these simple questions first. Candy hater.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            LOL you can’t answer the questions. Your stuck. If you can’t show me the evidence I’ve requested than just say you can’t show me the evidence. Then by default you can’t criticize me any more. All you can do then is make it known that you are irrelevant to any conversation.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Child hating candy hater. Answer my questions.

            Do it. I dare you.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Prove you don’t hate kids. Prove it!!!!!!!

          • getstryker

            LIFE – you finally said: “This will be my last comment” – Good for you! LOL 😉 Welcome to the club my friend . . . I got off that train a while ago. Whew!

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Thank you sir. Sometimes it’s better to walk away from situations such as this one. When I did the analysis it showed an 84% hit rate. Usually I like a rating at about 94% hit rate, but the guy ticked me off. Especially if he is a Satanist as he claims wanting to pass out candy to our children. I’m sure after seeing the information I gathered that based on what he says seems to make him quite worried. His confirmation of certain details seems to be circumstantial evidence that he may be the person I did the research on. In the end however it doesn’t really matter. I’m done with him and I find it interesting that whoever it was (I still think I’ve found him because of his FB profile and his claim to be a Satanist,) this Don guy changed his privacy settings after my last comment. What that says to me is, it’s a good possibility even if he denies it. Whatever, I’m having a great day, and hope your having a great day as well. Thank you for your comment.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You owe me an apology. I cannot believe you still think you possibly could have been correct. It’s sad to see people who self delude so easily, but if I were expecting to find gullible, superstitious dupes, I’d expect to find them here.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            I’m sorry. God bless you. Hopefully you’ll recognize that all I want in life is to work for Christ. If I’ve done you harm, I apologize. I said I would not comment again, but when you asked me to apologize, I will humble myself before God and also ask for his forgiveness. I really hope your not a Satanist. It’s a difficult world we live in, and I approached things in a manner that I’ve tried to change. In your case I didn’t do what I should have done. I should have just left things alone.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Wow. I love how you come in bragging about how humble you are, only to deliver the most arrogant non-apology imaginable.

            If there is one thing worse than hubris, it’s hubris dressed up as “christian” humility.

            You were racist, you were wrong, you threatened and you misunderstood. How could someone commit these errors and then wonder whether he offended?

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Your probably right. I will no longer bother you. I hope your life is filled with happiness.. I have many things yet to learn.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You certainly do. But I got something positive out of this exchange: an example of why an arrogant fascist might want to drape himself in the flag and in religion in order to push a message that is objectively false.

            Isn’t bearing false witness supposed to be a sin? Aren’t you worried about eternal damnation? Not if it involves someone you don’t like.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            I have the love of Christ in my heart. I’ve prayed about this conversation with you and realize I should not have contacted you at all. All I want in this life is to love others, and I didn’t show that to you, so certainly I’ve learned some things as well. As I stated before, I’m a work in progress. I have many things that Christ has commanded me to do and one of them is to love others. I did not represent that love to you and for that I’m sorry. No one can take the love of God from me, no matter what someone might think. I’m not afraid because Christ told me not to be afraid. I’m not a person that will hold a grudge. I’m not perfect either. Your opinion of me is fine. You can’t take away my joy and peace through Christ no matter what you have to say about me. That is the simple truth. I’ve apologized from my heart and you are free to accept it or not. That is something I have no control over. If you feel it necessary to continue this kind of message, that is for you to do although unnecessary. With that in mind, I won’t be responding to you because it is pointless to do so. You’ve made up your mind about me and I won’t change that through a comment section. So understand my wish for you is that one day you’ll recognize that being a Christian is love. Without Christ I’m nothing. The only thing I’m concerned about is how I can change and be a person of love and not anger or hate. That may be difficult for you to understand, but I am not going to represent myself in the manner I did with you again. No matter what someone says to me. I wish you well.

          • Parque_Hundido

            If that arrogant non-apology is “from your heart”, I would hate to see what else lurks in there. It can’t be pretty.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Retiro mi disculpa por completo. Usted es un culo completo sin un gramo de inteligencia. Me quedo con todo lo que dije acerca de usted. Hablando de fanáticos que eres el peor de todos ellos. Si puedo conseguir tu retirado de SNC que voy a. Voy a estar hablando con ellos lo antes posible. No me importa lo que pienses, no me importa quién eres, esto se va a acabar.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Well, it didn’t take long for the love of Christ to be crowded out by the insolence of a venial, bitter little man, did it?

            Obviously translated by machine, your post is filled with badly written insults and poorly articulated invective. Nothing bears witness to your christian love better than calling someone stupid. And what says “I love Jesus” better than threatening to have someone with whom you disagree removed from the site?

            If anything, you are a petty, dull cautionary tale, the sort one might use in a rhetoric course to teach people the hazards of juvenile hypocrisy. I’m sure the owners of the site will only be too eager to have you as their spokesman.

            You are truly an embarrassment.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            11Whatever ciudad o aldea donde entréis, buscar allí por alguna persona digna y se quedan en su casa hasta que se vayan. 12Como entrar en la casa, le dan el saludo. 13Si la casa fuere digna, vuestra paz sobre él; si no es así, vuestra paz se volverá a vosotros. 14Si alguno no os recibiere, ni oyere vuestras palabras, salid de aquella casa o ciudad y sacudid el polvo de vuestros pies. 15Truly os digo que será más tolerable el castigo para Sodoma y Gomorra en el día del juicio, que para aquella ciudad.

          • Parque_Hundido

            For someone who claims to know how to use internet tools, why can’t you use Translate properly?

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            No piense ni por un minuto que no sé el tipo de persona que eres. Usted empuja la gente hasta el límite y luego actuar como si estuviera algo mejor. Tu no mejorar tu lo peor. Yo veo a nadie de tomar su lado. Yo veo a nadie que aprecie eres crueldad. Hablar de un hombre pequeño. No tiene nada que ver con usted de acuerdo conmigo o no. Lo que tiene que ver, es un ser humano de archivos que sirve el mal y empuja a todos los demás a hacer lo mismo. Usted no es digno de un debate y aquí es por qué. Usted no me conoce. Su no un ser intelectual. Usted afirma que pasará caramelos a los niños como si eres un acosador, o peores. Esa fue una crueldad atroz considerando tuve mi pequeño nieto en mi imagen. Así que no me vengan con sus pequeños comentarios mezquinos. Me empujaste a un rincón tras una disculpa sincera. ¿Qué te hace. Es usted una espuma de baja vida hace. No hay excusa que usted puede hacer para eso. Ser pequeño es ningún ejemplo, es sólo ignorancia.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Oh my god, your Spanish is so awful that it sounds like you’re dragging your nails across a chalk board. Please stop with the Google Translate.

            It’s one thing to be an ignorant, hateful hillbilly in English. You manage to be an ignorant, hateful hillbilly in Spanish too.

            Congrats.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            LOL did you watch “clown” yet? Hillbilly, your a joke. Speaking of hateful. Look in the mirror dude. You’ve got some real mental issues. Ignorant? You crack me up. It’s so funny that your telling me about my spanish. And you claim your not a Mexican? So where is this proof I’ve been asking for? I just wanted to see if you could read spanish, because I know your just an example of some lazy A*** that doesn’t have anything better to do then hang around a Christian news site to feel like you’re some master of intellect and to abuse good people. You’re a liar, a Mexican and a bad representation of the good people of Mexico. I support much of the idea of allowing the Mexican community that works hard to have a place in the U.S. to work and raise their families. However, I’m hopeful you are sent back. You’re no help to anyone except yourself. Patting yourself on the back must be lonely since nobody else is in support of your comments. Surely your a slave to Satan and it shows. I’ve not laughed so much in a long time.

          • Parque_Hundido

            It must be because you’re off your meds. For your information, I speak four languages. You barely write English. I don’t think you’re in a position to test me or anyone else. You are a moron.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            LOL Your so smart, gee I bet you get all the ladies.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Where have you offered proof that you aren’t off your meds?

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Just answer the question. Prove to me I’m wrong about what I’ve found out about you. You’re words are meaningless. You were asked the same question by Nick, and you didn’t answer that question either. I think your a liar. You certainly show your a hypocrite. So redeem yourself and show me proof that your not a Mexican, and that you have not been to Mexico City either to live or are living there now. Come on, lets get real on this. You want to be a genius in your own mind, come on show everyone else I’m wrong. I’ll be waiting

          • Parque_Hundido

            You are a Muslim terrorist who hates candy, kids and America. Prove you aren’t.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Oh so now you’re the bigot talking about Muslims. Hmm interesting.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You’re the bigot who hates kids and candy.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            I don’t know where your coming from on that one. But stop deflecting and answer the questions.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You’re against candy and kids. You said so. Prove I am wrong.

            Child hater.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Another lie. Now on with the evidence. Lets go boy get creative.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You’re against children. You hate candy. You said so. Prove I am wrong.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Your a liar. Now answer the relevant questions.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Liar. Coward. Candy hater.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            now your a cry baby? When is this going to end.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Liar. Coward. Candy hater.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Coward. Answer the questions.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You’re a liar. Answer me why you hate kids and kandy.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Candy hater. Coward.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Those were your words. Why do you hate candy and kids? We want to know!!!!!

          • Kay Lowe

            Dude, you don’t even know the proper distinctions between “you’re”, and “your”. It’s as simple as that.

          • LIFE – A Gift Divine

            Good point. I’m glad you brought that up. Hopefully you can watch this in the future to correct me once again. I continue to do it, I know I do and have been corrected on it again. Thanks for the comment.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Apparently he has some. He got your attention.

          • Marvels of life

            LOL, when the man says he is a Satanist and is going to pass out Candy to all the children, he probably would get your attention as well. How does he have any influence in America when he is a Mexican that lives in Mexico City. There is nothing he can do to influence laws, or policy in the United States. If you have children you would understand why he got my attention. Thanks for you comment though. Have a great day.

      • getstryker

        Yeah, I’m sure you read it the first day it was available. I haven’t read it but because you claim to dislike it so much . . . I’m absolutely positive that I’ll love it when I finally can read it . . . until then, why don’t you stick your opinions where the sun don’t shine!

        • Parque_Hundido

          You can get it on Amazon, where Cochran is hawking it. I’m sure he would be proud of you telling me to keep quiet, as I have opinions that differ from yours.

          You people want an absolute dictatorship. Your totalitarian leanings are plain and obvious. That is why we must stop you.

          • getstryker

            I have been reading your comments and yes, you are absolutely entitled to your opinions . . . it’s just that after a short while, I began to realize how stupid and ill-informed they are and I finally had enough and decided to say so. That is of course . . . MY opinion!

          • Kay Lowe

            Who is “you people”?

          • Parque_Hundido

            Right wing, anti-gay religious extremists. The same ones rushing to defend this nincompoop.

  • Parque_Hundido

    He would be wise to drop this. He will lose. And a precedent will be set that will ensure that religious bigots won’t dare file suits like this again.

    Instead of antagonizing Atlanta taxpayers, he should be learning to get along with other people.

  • TheBBP

    What we have in this country is Freedom of Religion, so long as your religion does not upset the Gaystappo.

  • getstryker

    Come on folks, all this up roar over a sentence or two on one page of a 160 page book. The Chief got permission from the City Ethics Officer, permission to include mention of his official position with the city, he gave a copy to the Mayor, he distributed copies of his book to those under him that requested it and now, all this because one (1) person in the fire department complained??? There’s more going on here that just some comment about sexual perversion . . . that’s just the excuse being used to terminate Chief Cochran. Now the question is “why?” . . .

    • RWH

      When a supervisor distributes something that he wrote, it becomes official policy. That is why Human Resources got upset with his. It is one thing to write a book on one’s own time. It is another to distribute that book to subordinates. Legally, this document holds the same weight as rules concerning smoking within a building. The fact that he distributed this book in the same way that he would distribute any other document implies that this is sanctioned policy. Human Resources takes it very seriously when managers take things like this into their own hands. Again, had he just distributed this book in his church, nothing would have happened. It doesn’t matter if the offensive stuff is just is one sentence or an entire chapter in his book. By the way, the Christian legal firm defending him doesn’t have a great track record in cases like this. They have given out some very bad advice, such as this belief that states and state courts can trump Federal law–what is happening in Alabama. Governors Farbus of Arkansas and Wallace of Alabama learned that lesson the hard way back in the 50s and 60s. Eisenhower federalized the National Guard of Arkansas, and every member who disobeyed was immediately fired. Arkansas only got back jurisdiction in the 1980s. I remember reading about it when I lived in Oklahoma. One would think that we have learned something since “we” burned down their churches and drove the Mormons west to Utah–all in the name of Christ and true faith.

      • getstryker

        Did you even bother to read the quotes I provided from the article? You know, that part about permission from the City Ethics Officer? or about the permission to include his official title? a copy of his book given to the Mayor a year before? or how the Chief distributed copies of his book to those under him that ‘requested’ it? And don’t give that ‘sh_t house’ lawyer routine anymore – ain’t interested!

        • RWH

          Well, perhaps you should do a little reading around. Those facts are in dispute. So-called Christian sites often forget to include inconvenient facts.

          • getstryker

            Of course, unlike ‘liberal and atheist’s’ websites – paragons of truth, justice and the socialist way. I think I’ll just wait to see the outcome of this case.

      • Maggi Fitzgibbon Escamilla

        Christ had nothing to do with it.

        • RWH

          You may not think that Christ had anything to do with it, but Baptist fundamentalists used religious reasons to back up their belief in segregation. Do a little bit of searching around. You will find, among other things, that Bob Jones University, the “Citadel” of fundamentalism, did not admit blacks. Pictures from those days show people holding up posters stating that segregation was God’s plan. Interesting how people in the so-called Bible Belt are almost consistently on the wrong side of history.

          • Maggi Fitzgibbon Escamilla

            I say AGAIN…RWH…Christ had nothing to do with it. You need to stop your rhetoric for 2 seconds and think about what I said.

  • Parque_Hundido

    Instead of blaming others for his problems and playing the victim card, shouldn’t Cochran learn to take responsibility for his own actions? He wrote that hateful religious tract and distributed it to his subordinates. Of course he was fired. He has only himself to blame.

    He will lose this suit.