‘He Might Be Biblical, But He’s an *******’: Blasphemous ‘Christian’ Professor Trashes Christians

Cooper TwitterNEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. — In a recent article for Salon, a Rutgers University professor who claims to be a Christian trashed other Christians as she claimed that Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) was meant to give license to “terrorize” blacks and homosexuals, and to stop women from having sex outside of marriage.

“The right’s made-up God: How bigots invented a white supremacist Jesus” is written by Brittany Cooper, who teaches Women’s and Gender Studies and Africana Studies at Rutger’s University in New Jersey. In her opinion piece posted on Wednesday, the professor asserted that religious freedom laws are driven by Christians who are “antagonistic to every single group of people who are not white, male, Christian, cisgender, straight and middle-class.”

“As a practicing Christian, I am deeply incensed by these calls for restoration and reclamation in the name of religious freedom,” she wrote. “This kind of legislation is rooted in a politics that gives white people the authority to police and terrorize people of color, queer people and poor women.”

Cooper also claimed that laws such as RFRA will someday be used to make provision for religiously-targeted racism.

“[G]iven our current anti-black racial climate, there is no reason to trust that these laws won’t be eventually used for acts of racially inflected religious discrimination, perhaps against black Muslims or Muslims of Arab descent,” she stated. “Surely this kind of law in this political climate sanctions the exercise of Islamophobia.”

The professor then proceeded to blast what she called “the religious right” for its beliefs on homosexuality, and decried that “the lives the Church imagines for women still center around marriage and motherhood, and no sex if you’re single.”

“I find myself wishing that this particularly violent and vicious breed of Christianity would die off,” Cooper wrote.

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“This God isn’t the God that I serve,” she continued. “There is nothing holy, loving, righteous, inclusive, liberatory or theologically sound about Him. He might be ‘biblical’ but he’s also an [expletive].”

She claimed that Jesus might have been a homosexual himself, as well as a feminist.

“The Jesus I know, love, talk about and choose to retain was a radical, freedom-loving, justice-seeking, potentially queer (because he was either asexual or a priest married to a prostitute), feminist healer, unimpressed by Scripture-quoters and religious law-keepers, seduced neither by power nor evil,” Cooper wrote.

But some find Cooper’s writing to be troubling, stating that she is among those who distort the Scriptures and are attempting to take others down with them spiritually.

“There is so much wrong here it would take many volumes of books to unravel it all,” stated writer Onan Coca for BarbWire.

“Liberals are attempting to coopt Christianity, to pervert the truth of the word of God, which Jesus told his disciples was offensive, in an effort to silence us,” he said. “We cannot allow this to happen, because they would pervert, twist and even destroy the very word of truth that our Father has given to us.”

Coca exhorted Christians to remember that Jesus stated that His followers would be rejected by the world.

“Remember folks, Jesus told us that the world would hate us,” he wrote. “He said that [since] they had crucified Him, what did we think they would do to us?!”

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  • Frank

    Brittany Cooper is not a Christian and does not know Jesus.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      You do not get to decide that. Way above your paygrade.

      • 4Commencefiring4

        “By their fruits, you shall know them.” Easy call. Hers are not the words that anyone claiming to know the Lord would ever speak or–especially–write in a national publication. She’s so far over the top that it’s not even debatable.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          I met God. It was quite an experience. Since that event, I can tell who has met God. You do not possess what you profess IMO.

          I think her opinions are interesting and I agree with a number of them. Why don’t you refute them rather than impugn her faith and character. Jesus told you not to sneer at people.

          • Bingo

            If you’ve experienced the true God, you would not see Him in anything she’s said.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            If you’ve experienced the true God
            …………
            Stopped reading right there. Wonder what else you wrote?

          • 4Commencefiring4

            “Jesus told you not to sneer at people.” Hmm…I must have missed that. Perhaps you’ve got a citation for me.

            But I didn’t miss His remarks about “out of the heart comes forth evil thoughts…” And calling God an “A****” would qualify, it seems to me. And approving what God condemns (“cisgender”? “queer”?) is another example. She’s deceiving not only herself, but anyone who listens to her. This is NOT how someone who names the name of the Lord expresses herself; she is not a serious person.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Review The Practice of the Presence of God by Brother Lawrence (Nicholas Herman of Lorraine). It is online.

          • 4Commencefiring4

            I think I’ll just stick to Scripture. But thanks just the same.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            What does ‘scripture’ mean to you? To me it means the Koran, the Tao Te Ching, the Bible, the Bhagavad Gita, Upanishads and the like.
            You smell of zealotry. Ewwwwww.

          • 4Commencefiring4

            The same thing it meant to Christ, which didn’t include what you mentioned. And don’t ask me who “Christ” is.

            I think we’re done here, friend. I thought you were serious at first, but I’ve been wrong before.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am going to make you infamous. Your response will appear in an article I am writing on my blog about Toxic Religion.

          • 4Commencefiring4

            Knock yourself out. Just spell my name right, Plummy.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am going to return the compliment. I am going to call you Religious Authoritarian A.

          • Evangelina Vigilantee

            You are endorsing the false one world religion coming under the antichrist! That is your agenda for sure. You are toxic, not us. And you can quote me too, by all means, I have nothing to be ashamed of. In fact I wish it would appear on a stadium marquee, or skywritten, in a newspaper for all to see, and the list goes on. I am not ashamed of the one and only gospel of the one and only messenger of God; Jesus Christ! In fact, if you get that in a public place like one of those I’d love to stand right next to it in the flesh!

          • Yah Saves

            “To me it means the Koran,”

            Riiiiight. Good luck with that. “Scripture” is defined as the Torah, Prophets and Psalms.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Neener neener neener. Stick it in your peener.

          • Yah Saves

            Are you medicated or a juvenile?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Neither. I do not like you. You cannot see me giving you the raspberry.

          • Yah Saves

            Well, I have nothing against you, I just don’t like stupid.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You have me confused with someone who cares what you think.

          • Yah Saves

            Nah, I just had you confused for someone who cares.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            About YOU? Not at all. I thought we worked that out already.

          • Yah Saves

            No, I am not concerned with how you feel about me. I simply thought a person who was writing an article would “care” to know the topic first. My bad.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Boring. Repetitive.

          • Yah Saves

            Indeed you are.

          • Evangelina Vigilantee

            Now who was talking about sneering? You are the voice of the serpent. “hath God really said? what is truth to you? it’s what you want it to be, what you see it in” total new age garbage. None of those except the bible are the word of God. The others are of false religion from satan, and not only that, but contradict each other. No wonder you endorse them all. Yes, I am also a zealot for the truth of the Lord, found in…. the BIBLE! Call me all the names you want, I am a total Jesus freak, I have no problem being called that!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            And that citation you asked for about sneering:
            Matthew 5:21-24.

          • 4Commencefiring4

            That’s about anger, nothing about “sneering.” No one here is angry. Anything else?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            No, it is about sneering. Tne New English version of the Bible says ‘insult, however the my New English Bible from Oxford University Press says ‘sneer.’

            Matthew 5:21-24 New English Translation (NET Bible)

            And whoever insults a brother will be brought before the council, and whoever says ‘Fool’ will be sent to fiery hell.

          • Evangelina Vigilantee

            Then you’ve failed miserably!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Brother Lawrence related that we should establish ourselves in a sense of God’s Presence by continually conversing with Him. It was a shameful thing to quit His conversation to think of trifles and fooleries…
            That we ought to act with GOD in the greatest simplicity, speaking to Him frankly and plainly (nota bene FRANKLY AND PLAINLY), and imploring His assistance in our affairs, just as they happen.
            http://thesalvationarmyng.org/ebboks/lawrence_practice_of_presence.pdf

          • Yah Saves

            Ask brother Lawrence the name of God.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You ask him. I don’t care.

          • Yah Saves

            Hence the problem. One might assume a person writing an article on the topic would care, but I was just reminded of why most of the stuff I read is garbage.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            What topic? I am writing about Toxic Religion.
            Ask the Hasidim and they say God’s name is Nothing.
            Ask the Taoist they say it’s Something.
            Then there is FatherSonHolyGhost.
            TomaToe Tomahto
            Let’s call the the whole thing off.

          • Evangelina Vigilantee

            And… they can’t all be right, in fact they all contradict so only one can be right, none (atheism) being one of the claims. The only one that is right is the Christianity of the bible (OT & NT).
            I find it funny that someone who is complaining of ‘toxic’ religion is so hateful and vehemenent towards those who disagree with you. That makes YOU the pharisee, not us.
            Toodles!

          • Evangelina Vigilantee

            There is only one God; the God of the bible. None other besides Him. (Trinity, yes, one God).

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Post Script – Also he is dead.

          • Yah Saves

            ooops

          • Evangelina Vigilantee

            brother lawrence is a false teacher and I don’t care what he said, he is wrong. We don’t ‘establish’ ourselves in God’s presence, we can only enter into it by repenting of our sin and receiving the atoning blood of the sacrificial Lamb of God; Jesus. You have no righteousness of your own upon which to enter into it. The veil of the temple was torn when Jesus died on the cross. He is not ‘one of many,’ He is THE ONE and ONLY. You will never become god. Only God is and will ever be God. God is Holy, nothing less and you must treat Him as such.

          • Evangelina Vigilantee

            No, don’t, that is part of the false religion coming into the church (apostasy of the end times) via mysticism and contemplative spirituality. All false teaching. You don’t get to experience God, but demonic influence. All new age and occult. I had the true experience (baptism of the Holy Spirit) which teaches me all things and has warned me about that stuff as I now warn you. See Lighthouse Trails Research Project. It is online also.

          • Evangelina Vigilantee

            I have met God and can tell that you have not. She is wrong. By their fruits we shall know them. That is what Jesus said. Fruits depict the character and the faith. As for refuting the opinions, go see Romans 1; 26-27 and google for the many other verses about homosexuality being a sin (4 in all) in the bible. That is the word of God, but I’m sure you don’t believe in the bible either (further proof of your error). Jesus condemned homosexuality. He confirmed the judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah in the New Testament.

      • Evangelina Vigilantee

        The comment below is correct and you are wrong.

    • BrendtWayneWaters

      “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?” Apparently, the answer is “Frank”.

      • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

        [email protected]:disqus! Out of her antiChrist mouth we know her evil heart of unbelief and BLASPHEMY! You shall join her in Hell.

        • BrendtWayneWaters

          Apparently Frank’s faux omniscience wasn’t enough, so you up’d the ante from the *current* state of her standing with God to the *final* state of her standing with God. So what you’re saying is that God is incapable of changing her heart. What kind of Divine Wuss are you allegedly following?

          And you do realize the hair-bleeding irony of your Disqus nickname, don’t you?

  • Crono478

    How can she claim to be Christian when she does not want to serve Him that Bible spoke about Him?

    • thoughtsfromflorida

      How can you claim to be Christian if you are using electricity? The Amish are clear that serving God means no electricity.

      • Crono478

        Why would you ask me this question when you are an atheist. You don’t believe in God after all.

        • thoughtsfromflorida

          I’m not an atheist. What have I said that would lead you to that conclusion? I have a very strong faith in God.

          • Crono478

            I thought you were same person (with similar username) who attacked whatever I would have to say. My apologies.

            I can be a Christian and use technology such as electricity. It is fine as long as we do everything in glory of God. For Amish people, they strongly believe in James 1:27. That is, for them to “keep themselves unspotted from the world” That is why they stun a lot of technology. It depends on some Amish community that may accept technology in a very limited way.

            Bible commands us to go out in the world and tell people about Jesus as well.

        • Asemodeus

          Because Atheists in general put way more thought into religion than theists. At best you’re a parrot for whatever your pastor wants you to think, without doing any critical evaluation yourself.

          • Crono478

            It’s nice for you to jump to the conclusion without really knowing who I am. Believers are hungry to read Bible on a daily basis. Also, if I am just a parrot for whatever my pastor want me to think, then I do not really believe in Jesus Christ. I would be simply a Christian in name.

          • Asemodeus

            Christians are uniformly ignorant about matters of theism compared to other groups. That’s a fact:

            http://www.pewforum.org/2010/09/28/u-s-religious-knowledge-survey/

            You’re making the classic xenophobic mistake of assuming that the religion you were accidentally born into is automatically the correct one. You do this because you never bothered to actually research this out fully, and explore other options seriously. You are a parrot, and you’re proud of it.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            Since there is only one God – there is no need to waste time learning about other “gods”.
            Since the Word of God contains all that is necessary for life (in God) and living (in God) there’s no need to waste time with theosophy.

          • Asemodeus

            “Since there is only one God – there is no need to waste time learning about other “gods”.”

            Xenophobia at its finest. Shut your mind to other ideas, since you just happened to fall into the correct one by mistake. How convenient.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            The opposite of xenophobia, actually. There is no fear of other ideas, but the recognition of the exquisite value of knowing the one true God.
            Perhaps you’ve heard of the parable of the pearl of great price? When found, there is nothing that compares to it, and no price would be too great to obtain it.
            Finding God was like finding that precious pearl – only better: God is more exquisite and valuable than any pearl, and He paid the price so that we might “obtain” Him.
            No “falling into the correct on by mistake” – God’s act to redeem us was deliberate.

          • Asemodeus

            You just admitted to your xenophobia, the least you can do is double down on it.

          • Crono478

            I’ll reiterate my statement, you jumped to your conclusion that I am a proud parrot who were accidentally born into my religion.

            First of all, I believed in God simply because I went to my parents’ churches. I stopped believing in God when I was 13 years old. I preferred to see evidence first before it becomes the fact to me. That is how I lived my life. That is why I thought evolution was the fact due to compelling evidence supporting that. I wanted to do nothing with Christians and even mocked them regularly. It was not until I was 26 years old when I finally woke up that God’s words are actually true after all. I did give it a lot of thought too. I was convinced that I am a wretched sinner. That was not really my proud time. I asked Him to forgive me and accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior.

          • Asemodeus

            Thanks for proving my point. You didn’t actually critically think out your position, since you absorbed the religion of your birth and later came back to it under what I can naturally assume was some traumatic event.

            You also left out the curious piece of information, and how the religion of your 20s was the same one or not as your early years.

          • Crono478

            Were you born accidentally into your religion?

            It was not same thing because when I was in my late 20. It is when I actually paid attention in church. I actually asked difficult questions as well because I wanted to see if they could answer them rather than just to repeat what they would hear from their pastor.

          • Paul Hiett

            Out of curiosity, how many other religions did you try before you settled on Christianity?

          • Asemodeus

            Judging from his posts he is a fairweather christian. Where he never stopped believing, it just wasn’t a issue with him until something terrible happened in his life. When such events happen to delusional people they revert back to the religion of their youths. Where such people use religion as a crutch for their mistakes in life.

            The deeper issue is what was the event.

          • Crono478

            Judging from your post, you are an intellectual atheist who like to debate. Where you never believed in any deity, it just wasn’t an issue with you until you dislike religions for purely intellectual reasons. When such event happen to intellectual people, they revert back to debating with delusional people. Where such intellectual people use their thinking as crutch to help convince delusional people.

            The deeper issue is, what caused you to dislike religions

          • Asemodeus

            “The deeper issue is, what caused you to dislike religions”

            How you try to change the topic off of you is a clear sign that I hit a nerve. What event in your life made you think you were a sinner? After all, you said this:

            ” I was convinced that I am a wretched sinner. That was not really my
            proud time. I asked Him to forgive me and accepted Jesus Christ as my
            Savior.”

            It’s pretty obvious you are using religion as a crutch for your mistakes in life. Instead of dealing with it on a actual deep level and improving yourself off of it, you decided to wallow in your misery and seek false redemption. Which really doesn’t work, since your subconscious still knows you did wrong, and are refusing to deal with it realistically.

          • Crono478

            “It’s pretty obvious you are using religion as a crutch for your mistakes in life.”

            I made many mistakes in my life but I never used religion as a crutch for that. I am not a fool to think that I will never make mistake if I follow any religion.

            “Instead of dealing with it on a actual deep level and improving yourself off of it, you decided to wallow in your misery and seek false redemption. ”

            It does not matter if it is on an actual deep level and improving myself off of it, the truth is, I have sinned in my life. I have stolen things. I have lied and used His name in vain many times. If I died now and faced God, I would be guilty on all counts. It does not matter how much I can improve myself or how many good things I can do in my life. Jesus paid our fines in our place when He died on the cross and resurrected three days later. God can legally dismiss our cases when we ask Him to forgive our sins and trust in Jesus as our Savior.

            “Which really doesn’t work, since your subconscious still knows you did wrong, and are refusing to deal with it realistically.”

            When we receive our redemption through our trust in Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit will dwell in our bodies right away. While our souls will be saved, we have our bodies that will always sin until we die. In other words, yes, we will still know what we do is wrong even through that we are saved.

          • Crono478

            Catholicism & Christianity (non-denominational). 13 years, I did not really go to church at all. I was agnostic at first but then I eventually became atheist when I was sure that God didn’t really exist at all.

          • Paul Hiett

            So realistically, you only considered versions of Christianity. Isn’t that a little narrow minded in terms of asking questions? If you were looking for answers regarding religion, isn’t it more apropos to include many religions, to expand the thought process, and include more critical thinking?

            It would seem to me that more exposure to alternative thinkings would increase your knowledge, and put you in a better position to choose.

          • Asemodeus

            “It would seem to me that more exposure to alternative thinkings would
            increase your knowledge, and put you in a better position to choose.”

            Which is why religions throughout history have tried their hardest to limit knowledge of other ways of thinking. They still do that today, with christian colleges and home schooling. All designed to make sure children are intellectually stunted to maintain the faith.

            Which makes a good argument as to why the internet could lead to the death of religion. Sure, you have to be proactive with the internet to use it fully, but it isn’t a barrier to knowledge if you want it.

          • Asemodeus

            “Were you born accidentally into your religion?”

            Unlike you I wasn’t traumatized as a child.

            “It was not same thing because when I was in my late 20.”

            It was the same thing, the excuses are just different. You’re lying to yourself about your intentions to hide a deeper problem.

          • Crono478

            “Unlike you I wasn’t traumatized as a child.” What do you mean? You never grew up going to church at at all?

          • Asemodeus

            Religion was never discussed or talked about in my youth. I sit on a elevated position where religion wasn’t used to harm my critical thinking skills while growing up. I basically see the world far more clearer than most people since, unlike even most Atheists, I don’t harbor any resentment towards religion personally. I dislike it for purely intellectual reasons and how it has harmed society.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            As a former atheist I take issue with your statement. I was born into a family whose faith I thoroughly rejected. I sought truth wherever it was to be found and it took me through a great many points of view, all of which I carefully considered. And when I finally overcame my ant-christian bias and read the writings of intellectually sound Christian theologians I became convinced that only Christianity had the power both to explain the human condition as well as to redeem it by grace. If I’m a parrot then you’re a turkey.

          • Asemodeus

            Which theologians?

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Way back when, Alan Watts got me thinking about the spiritual nature of reality. Robert Prisig (Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance) got me think about the transcendental and then C. S. Lewis and his little book “Miracles” knock the legs out from under my hard-headed materialism. Then (not necessarily in order) the Apostolic Fathers (Irenaeus, Polycarp, Augustine), Paul Tillich, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, C.S. Lewis again (although he would always deny that appellation), Martin Luther, John Knox, Dietrich Bonheffer, Karl Rahner, just to name a few. As well as Christian apologists like Blaise Pascal, Soren Kierkegaard (especially), G.K.Chesterton (my favorite), R. C. Sproul (a personal acquaintance), Ravi Zacharias, you get the drift. It was an inevitable journey from hostile denial to a self-centered skepticism that gave way gradually to a begrudging openness to some things spiritual, into my old evangelical roots and then into Catholicism. In other words, there is a path to Christ that can engage the intellect so long as it allows for mystery. So I guess I’m not like the sincere but inarticulate people you seem to enjoy bullying.

          • Asemodeus

            So basically a one sided discussion. Thanks for proving my point.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            I responded to your question but I have absolutely no idea what your reply means. However, if you think it “proves your point” then by all means pat yourself on the back. I certainly won’t ever again assume that you’re interested in an actual discussion. Big waste of my time.

          • Asemodeus

            You didn’t mention any secular freethinkers like Russel, which means you did all of that reading not to find the truth but to stroke your confirmation biases.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Well. I suppose I could have included them but you were the one who said “theologians.” Pardon me for not having thought of secular philosophers as being in that class. Here you go: Bertrand Russell is a lightweight in my opinion. I was very heavily into existentialism and eventually made it though most of Sartre. I read Camus and Heidigger voraciously, and Nitzche of course. That’s how I ended up reading Keirkegaard. I even tried reading Kant but I didn’t have the background in philosophy that it required. He was easier to understand via his commentators than in the original. All I ever read when I was an atheist were atheist writers. That should have gone without saying. My point being that Christians will not fit neatly into your stereotype. Yes, there are yahoos who think the world is 6000 years old, but going after them is shooting fish in a barrel. Christianity is complex and profound enough to engage even the most sophisticated thinkers. Which brings me to my point: What Christian theologians have you studied, or do you just read to confirm YOUR biases?

          • Asemodeus

            “What Christian theologians have you studied, or do you just read to confirm YOUR biases?”

            Mostly just debates. What is actually interesting is you reading all of those authors and still believing in gibberish. What gives?

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            It’s gibberish to you. Your reply is merely an ad hominem argument and not even worthy of comment.

          • Asemodeus

            It’s gibberish to our actual understanding of reality. Theology doesn’t contribute to the advancement of knowledge. It hasn’t for centuries.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Again, your opinion, tightly held and immune from debate. You are no different from the people you mock.

          • Asemodeus

            My opinion, backed by history. 500 years ago the intellectuals of that society would have been all theists. Because they knew nothing.

            Today when you look at the brightest you get around 15% are theists. Why? Because naturalism provides a far superior model for how things operate than theism. We don’t blame gods for lightning, plagues, earthquakes, and fart jokes any longer. We know better, thanks to naturalism.

            Naturalism has done such a massivly good job killing god that theologians are forced to talk themselves into positions that are basically gibberish. They need to invent post ad hoc rationalizations for why our entire advances in knowledge were done without needing to presume anything supernatural.

            We live in a world with cameras, satellites, detection machines, and particle accelerators. All of which have found zero gods. The theological explanation for this?

            God works in mysterious ways…

            How is that not gibberish?

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Naturalism does an extremely good job at explaining our world. But bear in mind that the scientific method takes as its starting premise that only measurable and repeatable empirical phenomena should be considered. Naturalism did not disprove the existence of the supernatural, because it necessarily rejects it a priori. So naturalism has nothing to say about the supernatural because that is not within its chosen domain. C.S. Lewis gives a pretty good explanation of this in “Miracles,” and I’m sure you’re open-minded enough to read it. God is not detected because the system isn’t set up to detect God. iPhones do not prove the non-existence of God. They only prove the existence of iPhones. So do not confuse atheism with naturalism. The first claims there is no God without proof (because you can’t prove a negative). And the second says it’s not a valid question.

          • Asemodeus

            Naturalism doesn’t have to disprove the supernatural, it just has to make it irrelevant to the discussion. Which it has succeeded at greatly.

            The rest is the same post ad hoc rationalizations that I was talking about. You place God outside of observation because of naturalisms overwhelming success at detecting everything else. A assumption on Gods behavior you make, hypocritically enough, by not relying on any observations.

            It’s a excuse for theologies predictive failure. You make up excuses after the fact, based off of no information, and expect rational people to take you seriously. Why should we?

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            BTW, I would like to see the source for that 15% figure. “The brightest” is pretty vague. You’re an empiricist. Cite your sources.

          • Asemodeus

            NAS survey.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Could you be bit more specific? A URL? I would be interested in the protocol used to select “the brightest.” I assume you consider yourself in that 15%.

          • Asemodeus

            National Academy of the Sciences. You would know this if you were a actual scientist.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            What kind of scientist are you? I only hold a Masters degree in Electrical Engineering so what would I know about acronyms? Where did you get your PhD?

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Your understanding of reality. I’m in no mood to argue. Believe what you will, and if my belief threatens you then maybe that’s not my problem.

          • Asemodeus

            For someone that has read a lot you sure do engage in a lot of false equilivancies.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Spell check.

          • Asemodeus

            Complaining about spelling, on the internet, is basically a admission of defeat on your end.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            I though it was a discussion, not a contest, in which case you win. Atheist wise, theist stupid. Anything else?

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Not my problem.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Gibberish in your opinion. And by dismissing my response as “still believing in gibberish” you’re merely making an ad hominem argument against me. Is that the best you can do?

          • Recognizing_Truth

            So, atheists waste their time by thinking about a God who they say doesn’t exist? And are concerned with how other people serve this God, who the atheist says doesn’t exist?
            That’s not atheism.

          • Asemodeus

            By studying the problems with society can we come to a better understanding and solution to fix it. The problem is grown adults believing in things that cannot be proven. That can lead to various social and psychological problems, as evidence by your post.

            Also it is god, not God. ‘god’ isn’t a proper noun.

          • Paul Hiett

            It depends on which “god” you are referring to. “God”, in the Christian religion, should be capitalized because it’s his name. It would be the equivalent of writing “Allah” or “Jehovah”.

          • Asemodeus

            You’re assuming, badly, that Atheists apply their critical thinking to just your delusional understanding of the supernatural. Christians like you do this subconsciously to elevate your position when such elevating has zero merit. When you look at the whole your delusions don’t deserve any special consideration compared to any other delusions.

          • Paul Hiett

            Psst, I’m an atheist. Also, you shouldn’t capitalize “atheism” and/or “atheist”, since those are not pro-nouns.

          • Asemodeus

            I need to read names more often.

          • Paul Hiett

            All good, lots of names here. This was simply a grammatical statement. Christians have given their deity the name “God”, which is obviously a bit pretentious, but there you go.

          • Asemodeus

            The point is that they try to artificially limit the argument to just their god, which isn’t anywhere near the whole issue.

          • Paul Hiett

            Of course they do, it’s a nifty little trick to try and separate their religion from all of the others out there. I find myself using the term “your deity” instead.

          • Asemodeus

            I personally enjoy 42, since at least that deity serves a purpose.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            Officially, His name is “I AM”. But it’s hard for any of us to write that in a sentence without making it sound grammatically terrible. So, since “I AM” is the one true God, it’s just easier to say “God”. And everyone reading (except maybe for Asemodeus – the guy on this board, not Asmodeus the king of demons mentioned in Tobit ) understands what we mean.

          • Asemodeus

            How easy you get distracted by names is rather interesting.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            And probably how to spell them, too. I assume your moniker of “Asemodeus” is a typographical error and you want to be seen on these boards as “Asmodeus”, the king of demons in the book of Tobit?

          • Weary Warrior

            Perhaps you mean they are non proper nouns?

          • New Centurion

            Yes and by turning to our own understanding just look at how well we’re doing: starvation, war, greed, strife, envy, violence, immorality, awesome job! The “problems with society” are merely symptoms of a disease; sin. The world’s problems are caused by evil men in rebellion against a Holy God. Our problems will only be solved when evil men turn to God in repentance. It’s only then that God can supernaturally change man’s innate sinful nature and make him a new creature in Christ. BTW most of the great institutions in western civilization i.e. great universities, hospitals and professions like social work were all started by bible believing born again Christians.

          • Asemodeus

            Thanks for proving my point.

          • New Centurion

            I’m really not sure what “point” it is your trying to “prove”.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            You made no point. New Centurion on the other hand made a good point, and provided a solution to society’s problems. Well, God provided the solution, but New Centurion made sure you heard about it.

          • Asemodeus

            By pretending that fantasy is a solution to something you proved my point that we need to advance passed such nonsense to succeed.

          • Weary Warrior

            My God is not a proper noun … He is Sovereign of all that exists.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            I have to admit. I’m humbled by the power in the simplicity of your statement. Amen!!

          • Yvonne Celeste Lee

            Christians are the ones with social and psychological problems because of their faith in God? Sez who? Sure has not been my experience. On the contrary, people who come to true faith in God and Jesus his Son become new people in Christ and a lot of that junk you are talking about goes away with forgiveness and new life in the Lord.

          • Gracie Love

            3,000-year-old artifacts dating back to King David’s reign were recently uncovered in the Valley of Elah – the place where David slew Goliath.

            Objects not only confirm biblical accounts of Israelite worship but shed new light on obscure biblical terminology describing Solomon’s and Ezekiel’s temples.

            “I can’t ignore the biblical text and I cannot ignore archeology,” says Professor Yosef Garfinkle. Proof of life and events just as scripture describes them are right here in the archaeological discoveries.

          • Asemodeus

            Do you know what incredulity means?

          • Yvonne Celeste Lee

            So true. Archeology regularly digs up proof that even liberal theologians have denied, and ends up proving the Word of God.

          • Gracie Love
          • Asemodeus

            Gibberish isn’t a valid point.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            Grown adults believing in things that cannot be proven, like:
            psychology, sentience, reason and compassion? And why people have it and animals and plants don’t.
            God (and yes, it is a proper name, so I will capitalize it, thank you very much) is very real and can easily be “proven”, through His handiwork – creation.
            If you truly study the problems with society, you will eventually end up where all men must – the realization that we all like sheep have gone astray, each one turning to his own way. The solution to fix it is to follow The Way, The Truth,and The Life – Jesus Christ.

          • Asemodeus

            Which is argument from incredulity argument.

          • MissMicki

            That’s the problem, atheists believe in and practice the religion (belief system) of atheism and they busy themselves looking for loopholes in other religions. Saved people, followers of Jesus don’t have a religion, we have a relationship with our Creator!

          • Weary Warrior

            Please explain why atheists spend time thinking about a “non-existent” God.

          • Yvonne Celeste Lee

            Sure nice you know these people you are criticizing so intimately. Any true Christian will go to the Bible and make conclusions based on the Word.

      • New Centurion

        Yeah no, it’s a form of asceticism. Like some other Christian communities they forego modern conveniences so as to devote themselves to a holy life, prevent temptation and not to polluted by the world. It has nothing to do with the tenants of orthodox Christianity.

        • thoughtsfromflorida

          THEY believe that it is essential to serving God. Who is to say that they are wrong?

      • Recognizing_Truth

        Followers of Jesus Christ (the reason one would be called a Christian) know that Jesus was God who took on the “form of man”, a body, but not the nature of man, sin. “You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.” As Christians, we must not willingly partake in sin, nor condone or promote it. “giving no appearance of evil”. No Christian, then would say that the Lord Jesus was engaged in sin, be it lying, covetousness, taking God’s name in vain, homosexuality, or any other abased activity.

        Not drinking (which in itself is not a sin, although being drunk is warned against because of the harm it does), not smoking (not an enumerated sin in Scripture, although it is damaging to the body and damages ‘the temple of Holy Spirit’ who indwells Christians), not using electricity (certainly not sinful in itself, but powering a computer for the purpose of extortion, perpetrating violence, etc would certainly be sinful activities aided by electricity) – are all forms of denying oneself (the old nature) to help ensure and encourage more holy living: ascetism.

        It is not a requirement for being a Christian.

        • thoughtsfromflorida

          According to YOUR beliefs. As is clearly evident, the various sects of Christianity have not, in over 2000 years, been able to come to consensus regarding what the Bible allows and what it does not, which was my point.

          For someone to suggest that another is not a follower of Christ because they do not follow in the way that person does, would be similar to what I said: How can she call herself a follower of Christ is she uses electricity, since some sects believe that using electricity is against God’s will.

          It takes quite a bit of hubris to suggest that because one has chosen to accept one set of beliefs, that all others are definitively wrong.

        • UmustBKiddinMe

          As your examples point out – different sects of Christianity believe differently. While you say that drinking alcohol is not a sin – other followers say it is. Same for the other items you mentioned. That was my point. in over 2,000 years, Christians have not been able to come to consensus on what “God’s word” actually means.

  • FoJC_Forever

    Crazy rantings from someone who is not at peace with God, nor in Covenant with Him through Jesus Christ, the living Word of God.

    The most effective lies are the ones partially laced with facts and Scripture. Satan uses Scripture to mislead people, because he wants people to listen to him rather than the Holy Spirit.

    • Yvonne Celeste Lee

      Just like he did in the Garden of Eden….lies and twisted truths in order to deceive and destroy.

      • uzza

        What lies? The serpent in the garden of Eden told the truth.

        • Yvonne Celeste Lee

          The serpent said they would not die if they disobeyed God and ate of the forbidden fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. As soon as they did, they and the entire earth began to die, both spiritually (at that moment) and physically, little by little. The serpent had been cast from heaven for wanting to be God and he tempted Adam and Eve with the same desire, to be like God and know good from evil. The knowledge of good and evil part was true, but the being like God was untrue. God is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipoent. They were not. They not only lost their innocence and their eternal life, but they lost their fellowship with God and the entire earth began to die, produce weeds, become violent, etc.

          • Asemodeus

            “The serpent said they would not die if they disobeyed God and ate of the forbidden fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.”

            Wrong. The serpent only told Adam. Eve was never told either way and was innocent of the whole affair. Yet she was still punished. Overall, a terrible moral story with shoddy plot structure.

          • Denise Miller Rorabaugh

            What version of Bible says that? Get your facts straight before spouting fallacies my atheist friend.

          • Yvonne Celeste Lee

            All versions of the Bible say something similar. Check out Genesis 3:2-3, which make it as clear as crystal that God had already spoken with Eve about what eating the fruit would involve: death. Yet she chose to eat it anyhow and give it to her husband, at which time fellowship and everlasting life with God was lost until Jesus died on the cross and made it possible for people to be forgiven and have eternal life once again if they believe in Jesus and repent of their sin. Arrogant, faithless God haters who choose to call God insufferable names and deny him are in a very scary place. I would not want to find myself in their place.

          • Michael Harris

            amen.

          • Michael Harris

            Exactly.

          • Yvonne Celeste Lee

            Excuse me, but you might try reading Genesis 3:1-19 if you care what the Bible says. It is clear that the serpant tempted Eve first, she ate and gave the fruit to her husband who then ate. You really should check to be sure you know what you are talking about before you start spouting misinformation.

          • Asemodeus

            ” It is clear that the serpant tempted Eve first, she ate and gave the fruit to her husband who then ate.”

            Eve was never told by God to not eat the fruit. She had no reason to be suspicious of the serpent and wasn’t disobeying God due to her ignorance of the warning.

            Terrible plot structure. Just awful.

          • Yvonne Celeste Lee

            So if Eve was not told by God not to eat the fruit, why did she say to the serpent, ¨We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden, but of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, God has said you shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.” She clearly knew exactly what God had told her, she did it anyhow, and then she caused her husband to do the same. I am not sure why you cannot understand that. It is perfectlly clear to me. Sorry you don’t like the “plot.” Truth often is not made for us to like it, but to believe it. Maybe if your eyes were opened and you could understand what is really going on here, you might feel differently.

          • Asemodeus

            Genesis 2:17-18 cleanly lays out the order of the events. God creates Adam, God threatens Adam with a meaningless warning, Adam names all the beasts, and then Eve arrives.

            Nowhere in the account is God telling Eve not to eat the fruit. You are assuming. There is a clear narrative gap that isn’t explained, which makes the story rather shoddy.

            God also striaght up lied in Genesis 2:17. Adam did not die on the same day he ate the fruit. Which is in itself a really dumb threat to give a person that has no contextual information of what death means. Adam has no idea what death means, so why would threatening him with it do anything to change his mind? It’s a meaning without meaning.

            Taken as a whole the myth clearly has a narrative structure to screw over Adam and Eve, framing them for a crime they knew not of the consequences for in order to serve a larger political goal.

          • Jamie

            It is clear that he died that day, he was dead in sin from that point forward, separated from God due to the choice he made. Clearly, Eve didn’t have to be told by God directly, that’s what Adam was for. God doesn’t need to directly interact with every person on an individual basis. He is sovereign . He appointed Adam to tell Eve what his commandments were. Just as someone else was appointed to tell me and someone was appointed to tell you.

            Please stop perverting the truth. Pride is the original sin. Your understanding of sin and spiritual death needs to be corrected. Read more, speak less.

          • Asemodeus

            Which is a post ad hoc rationalization. Death doesn’t mean death when you get to abritarily decide when it means something else.

            Your concept of theism is so fluidic that is loses any purpose.

          • Michael Harris

            Read the Bible, sir. You will see – you may not understand, but you will see – that death is the ‘by-product’ of Sin. No Original Sin and there would be no death. JESUS came to restore that TRUTH. Try to Believe and stop trying to ‘be a clever’. Then there is Hope for you and for your Soul, sir.

          • Michael Harris

            amen.

          • Michael Harris

            The Bible is GOD’s Story. You, a non-Believer go to the Bible to try to ‘prove your case’. I find that strange; except that Satan knows the Bible ‘backwards’, hey, and you follow Satan. Not so ?

            If you have a problem with the word “assuming” contact Oxford and ask them to eliminate the word for you from their dictionary.

            Separation from GOD is death. If you lived the Abundant Life Promised us by JESUS you would understand.

            I am fascinated by your personal knowledge and ‘story’ concerning GOD’s ? ” ..larger political goal”. Pray explain, sir.

          • Michael Harris

            Agreed. Well said.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            It is an allegory that is poorly understood. The Snake is a symbol of wisdom. He offers knowledge to man. When man becomes knowledgeable, Jehovah punishes man. Terrible story with a terrible plot. Stupid equals pure and holy. Feh.

          • Asemodeus

            The whole concept of original sin is complete gibberish. Blaming someone else for the actions of another is dumb and isn’t used as a legal theory in any country.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Agree. Well said.

          • Michael Harris

            Disagreed.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            So what.

          • Michael Harris

            GOD’s Story is to tell us things that we need to know. Even you, sir. Do not try to compare the World with the Spirit of GOD. Stop being so ‘petty’ and stop ‘knit-picking’. Start looking for the Meaning in GOD’s Word instead of always ‘being a clever’ all the time. Trying always to prove GOD wrong. You are missing the mark terribly. You are missing out on the Abundant Life Promised to us by JESUS in the Word. You may miss out on Eternal Life if you are not careful, sir.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            Asmo has already made up its mind/soul. Proud & foolish to a fault. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

          • Jamye Royster

            Please pray for him

          • Chuck Bryant

            God wants man to be stupid? Are you sure about that?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            A story, no matter how ancient, is not God.

          • Michael Harris

            Yes, only GOD’s Story (the Bible) contains the Word of GOD; tells of GOD; describes GOD; tells – even Commands – how we are to live and Relate to GOD; how we are to treat each other; tells of ‘things to come’. What a BOOK ! The Bible. The Living pulsating Word of our Living GOD.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            If you follow the mores of the Bible in modern life, you will go to jail. Be my guest, Whackjob.

          • getstryker

            Another ‘ignorant statement’ . . . the ‘mores’ of the Bible come in two parts – surprisingly referred to as the Old and New Testament. The ‘Old Testament’ established the 613 laws that the Hebrews/Jews were to live under (THE HEBREWS – get that?) and the ‘New Testament’ established the ‘mores’ for the past 2,000 years to the modern day. They are two separate covenants – one BEFORE Jesus Christ atonement on the cross and one for AFTER. In your obvious ignorance – you have confused the two. Judaism has held that people who are NOT Jews are only obliged to follow seven (7) laws: Which do you object to?
            1) Murder is forbidden.
            2) Theft is forbidden
            3) Sexual immorality, including homosexuality, is forbidden.
            4) Eating flesh cut from a still-living animal is forbidden.
            5) Belief in and worship of, or prayer to, “idols” is forbidden.
            6) Blaspheming against God is forbidden.
            7) Society must establish a fair system of legal justice to administer law honestly.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Paul is NT and he is a flaming sexpig. You are not my teacher.

          • getstryker

            Hahahahaha . . . based on the level of absolute ignorance you have shown concerning your knowledge of the Bible, I can see that your last ‘teacher’ must have greeted you with a rousing:
            “Nanu, nanu!”

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Sneering at people is forbidden by Jesus. Way to impeach your own testimony.

          • getstryker

            Oh pleeease . . . save the ‘self-righteous clap-trap’ Next you’ll give me the ‘do not judge’ admonition and like everything else I have seen you dribble all over this comment section . . . it will simply embellish your reputation for ‘biblical ignorance’ – I’ve been to your ‘blog’ too – what a collection of sorry anti-Christian garbage that is . . . it certainly reflects your nasty attitude here!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Oh whhaaahhhh, Plum is mean to me. She won’t let me be Christian-Cock-of the Whoop and lay down the law to others. Whhaaaaaaah!

          • Jamye Royster

            Not at all and again you have obviously not read it and more over you have to believe in Him and pray to Him asking for wisdom and discernment to understand.what the scriptures mean. He want us to seek Him for the answers and please trust when I say He will give them to you. Those are God’s words not mine.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Good. Kill your neighbor for not going to church and then get back to me.

          • Jamye Royster

            Those words never came out of his mouth. You do not have to go to church to receive the word and gift. You can do it on your own through prayer and meditation. I know the churches and some christians that you are speaking of and they will be judged by God for deceiving his people.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            We are talking past each other. Too bad.

          • Jamye Royster

            I would never do that, most churches today are ran by Satan himself to deceive innocent God seeking people because he knows the awesome reward that we will receive by serving the Most High, not Jehovah and believing that Christ is our savior. The name Jehovah was another lie told to us so I can empathize when do not want to believe any of it. But please forget everything you were told and just read the King James version along with the Apocrypha. The words seems foreign to most, but you are intelligent and should not have any problems understanding it. But if you do have any questions. Please feel free to ask me.

          • Jamye Royster

            You are absolutely correct, the story is not God it is inspired by Him. He is alive.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You think God has genitals? How primitive.

          • Michael Harris

            Exactly. GOD has made ‘man’ to be Brilliant ! Just look at what ‘man’ has achieved in 2015 ! Unfortunately ‘brain-power’; Fear of GOD; Wisdom do not necessarily go ‘hand in hand’. That much is clear from this ‘thread’ alone. Not so ?

          • Michael Harris

            It is GOD’s Story for mankind. Simple.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Nope. It is a folktale. God does not speak in words.

          • getstryker

            What an absolutely ignorant statement . . . “God does not speak in words” . . . What, you think He sends up ‘smoke signals?’

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I met God. I did the meditative work and God came to see me. God is not human. God does not have a tongue or lungs or words.
            Men wrote the Bible and anyone can tell that because the Bible varies in its content from the sublime to the depraved. Just like humans.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            You met a devil. Not the Creator Yah.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Sez you.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            Actually, the Holy Bible is historical, at least. DrDino.com WyattMuseum.com

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            So what.

          • Earl

            No. That is a lie. There is some truth to the claim that the bible is a history of faith, but it’s not a ‘historical’ document.

            Just because it mentions some places doesn’t make it accurate in the rest of the stories.

            Genesis is an impossible story. Pure myth. As an allegory it has some value, but to claim it’s ‘historical’ is hysterical.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            YOU r a liar. The Bible – as history & prophecy – has been proven over and over. Time for you to go to Hell.

          • Earl

            You would seem to be blaspheming. Judging me, isn’t that Jesus’ job?

            No, the prophecies were written so vaguely that they cannot be said to have been fulfilled. They’re as accurate as the daily horoscopes are. There are a few that were written after the events they prophecies. Those don’t count as real prophecies either though.

            History isn’t faith. You seem to be a zealot, enjoy damning others. Don’t do it in public, you’ll end up getting punched.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            Clearly you need to catch a clue b4 you spue. Fool. YOU should be punched for your foolishness.

          • Earl

            So much for the command to turn the other cheek too, eh? You’re awfully violent for someone who claims to be a Christian.

            What’s with the hate?

          • Bingo

            Yeah, right—you have anti-Christian beliefs.

          • New Centurion

            If this is the extent of your exegesis of the creation/fall narrative in Genesis, it’s no wonder you’re confused. At the very least it demonstrates that you’re unfamiliar with even the most basic tenants of the Christian faith. To describe it as shoddy story indicates a complete ignorance of meaning behind the story. The fall encapsulates the nature of man, evil, freewill and finally the introduction of God’s subsequent redemptive plan for humankind. Your comments likening it to some sort of cosmic setup is demonstrative proof that you have not read the bible in its entirety nor do you comprehend the true nature of God.
            Moreover, you make the mistake many atheists do when they attempt to criticise the biblical text; in their desperation to find the smoking gun or a “gotcha” text they read a passage of scripture out of its historical and grammatical context and interpret it in a literal wooden fashion; in other words they try to force their biases and presuppositions on to the text to “prove a point”. You forget that the bible is like all other literature and should be treated as such. It contains historical accounts, poetry, parables, apocalyptic language, metaphor, analogies, hyperbole etc. To read and interpret it through the lens of the 21st century without considering the audience to whom it was written and when it was written is incredibly short sighted.
            I not sure who made you the arbiter of the truth? Of what is and isn’t “delusional” (a term you’ve used several times on this thread) and what should constitute right or wrong belief. Are you morally superior to everyone here? What higher authority made you judge and jury? please do tell. According to an atheistic world view there is no “right or wrong” there is no moral authority, there is only an evolutionary world of survival of fittest, a world where the life of a pig is no more important or significant than the life of a child.
            I don’t expect you to understand my belief in Jesus Christ; please don’t try to come off like you do, because you clearly don’t. I’ll stick with my “reality” of a kind and loving Creator, who humbled Himself, became like us and died for me, saving from me from my sin so that I can have a relationship with Him. I’m content with the “peace that passes all understanding” and knowing that God is sovereign over all; that he cares for me so much “even the very hairs on my head are numbered”. I’m happy knowing that death is not the end. You can keep your “delusion”, your life just ends in box, how sad for you. Jesus said I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live (John 11:25)

          • Asemodeus

            More post ad hoc rationalizations and gibberish. The problem to which, and for theism in general, is that such excuses doom theism to be irrelevant in the long term.

            When you open yourself up to inventing excuses for terrible bible stories you admit to yourself that there isn’t any actual standard or definition to which theism can be measured against. There is no there there with that type of theism. Nothing that is distinct and outside your rationalizations.

            This is why theism has failed as a explanatory force compared to naturalism. Naturalism has set guidelines and standards in which to test models off of and expand knowledge. With it we can tell correct or false while your version of theism is content with self appeasement and ego stroking.

            We don’t use theism to understand the world around us, thanks to your tireless efforts to make it garbage.

          • New Centurion

            With it we can tell correct or false while your version of theism is content with self-appeasement and ego stroking.

            What guidelines? What is correct or false? How do you know what it is? Are my ideas of correct or false as equally valid as yours? Why or why not? Answer the questions. If your goal is to come on here and dis Christians: mission accomplished, now step away from the keyboard because you’re not converting anyone to your nihilistic world view.

          • Asemodeus

            You don’t allow your idea of theism to be falsified by evidence or common sense, hence all of your post ad hoc rationalizations. Such a worldview for you is infinitly flexible and meaningless, since only true understanding can be found when you can only first admit to yourself that maybe you’re wrong all along.

            A thouht beyond your scope of reasoning.

          • New Centurion

            Thus far other than your ad hominem attacks you have provided no “evidence” for your position and you have failed to answer my questions. This means one of two things: you can’t answer my questions or you won’t. I suppose it is infinitely easier to make a series of inflammatory and unsubstantiated statements than it is to make a reasoned argument or discuss your position politely. Your responses I.e.insults and name calling speak volumes about your intellectual integrity and your willingness to discuss anything in a rational manner. I find this to be the case with many atheists, “when in doubt shout” seems to be the mantra. In any case I won’t be wasting anymore time on this thread discussing the issue with you. There is nothing to be gained. I pray that one day you may see beyond your own narrow and nihilistic worldview. Blessings.

          • Asemodeus

            More post ad hos rationalizations and logical fallacies. It is upon the person making the positive claim, that god exists, to provide evidence for that claim. You have not.

          • Michael Harris

            Start by Praying to GOD. Read Psalm 19. Read John Chapter 1. Open your eyes and look around you. Try not to be ‘cleverer than GOD’. You will be amazed at what GOD will do to you and for you, sir.

          • Michael Harris

            Stamp you feet to get the dust off … move on. Do not cast pearls before swine. One who is Predestined will not come ot a Knowledge of the TRUTH. It Is So Written, hey. What are we left with but our Prayers. So yes, I join you in Prayer for this poor fellow.

          • Michael Harris

            When we Know that we have the TRUTH (JESUS) why do You want us to look for the truth – your so-called truth ? Your truth and our TRUTH are far apart, sir. If you only Believe. That is all that is required of you.

          • Asemodeus

            That’s a whole heap of gibberish. Pretending that the opinions of ignorant 1st century peasants has any bearing today is pretty laughable.

          • Michael Harris

            He is just negative; destructive; ‘clever’; fault-finding – things like that. WOW he is missing out on life, hey. Abundant Life with Christ. Shame. We say, over here, ‘Ag sies tog’.

          • Michael Harris

            Try to see the meaning and the Truth in the Bible. Stop trying to ‘be a clever’. Of course you will, when you do as I suggest, have the terrible dilemma (for you) of having to Follow JESUS. To obey the Word of GOD. Something that will not suit you. THAT is your problem, sir.

          • Faithwalker

            Amen! I too would rather die in Christ than to die in humanist pseudo-intellectualism, btw in its purest sense is pride and vanity.

          • Michael Harris

            amen.

          • Michael Harris

            Exactly. Well put. Well said.

          • 4Commencefiring4

            Neither you nor I have any idea if God ever directly spoke to Eve at all, only that she imperfectly recited His instructions–whether they were from Adam or directly from God–about the tree’s fruit: She added the phrase “neither shall you touch it”, which God had never said. Regardless, she disobeyed the eating part, and so she WAS disobeying Him.

          • Asemodeus

            Which means there is plot missing. You’re assuming that God spoke directly to Eve in order to make the narration work.

            Which is rather sloppy story telling, don’t you think?

          • 4Commencefiring4

            What’s “missing”? She was either told by God or Adam what not to do, yet still managed to misstate the directive. The “narration” makes perfect sense either way. Not sure what else you need.

            I don’t have to do a book review with someone who doesn’t care what it says anyhow. The point remains that this professor is off the range.

          • Michael Harris

            Oh Yes. Agreed.

          • Asemodeus

            “She was either told by God or Adam what not to do, yet still managed to misstate the directive.”

            An assumption on your end. Your brain is trying to fill in the blanks because the bible is terribly written.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            It is not that it is poorly written.
            First you have the translation issues.
            Second Genesis is a folktale. Certain features of the story would have been culturally understood. Gestures and symbols have meanings in one culture they do not have in another culture.

          • Michael Harris

            Gosh you are so troubled by what you refer to as the ‘story-telling’. What about the Message ? Can you not see the Message in the Story, sir ?

            In any event, focus your attention on JESUS and the Finished Work of the Cross. There lies your Salvation.

          • Jamye Royster

            You are correct… there are multiple plots missing. The hidden books are in the Apocrypha which was included with the 1611 King James Version of the bible. The Catholic Church ordered them to be removed because they claim it had nothing to do with religion. However, it has everything to do with our existence and it explains a lot of unanswered questions. I apologize I did not think about this several days ago. The Book of Enoch has a lot of information has well.

          • Michael Harris

            Exactly. For these other chaps to ‘knit-pick’ and look for little variations is to show their reluctance to want to Believe by being ‘clever’. The Message is clear to any reasonable thinking person. Do not do this, or else – will be consequences. They did it. There were – and there still are consequences. Then JESUS came. Praise His Holy Name. amen. Simple.

          • Michael Harris

            You must be writing amazing ‘plot structures’, hey. You miss the obvious and focus on ‘trying to be a clever’.

          • Bingo

            Scripture is not some novel.

          • Asemodeus

            Of course not. A Novel has a plot and overall theme to it. The bible doesn’t even have that.

          • Bingo

            Glad you see it. Now—understand that it is God’s message to you, personally, out of His immeasurable love for you, so that you come to know Him and become His child, and avoid condemnation and overall failure in life.

          • Asemodeus

            Exactly. Pure gibberish. Why you take it seriously could take a while to figure out. Abuse in your personal life?

          • Bingo

            I take it seriously because God is the source of my life (and yours), and He loves me (and you) more than I can comprehend. Jesus is alive and changes lives.

            No abuse in my life, praise God.

          • Asemodeus

            “I take it seriously because God is the source of my life (and yours)”

            Extraordinary claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You’re just making stuff up and then getting angry when people smarter than you call you out on it.

            What is an actual interesting thought to ponder is what happened in your life to leave you this broken. Since it is well understood that religion preys on people that suffer through temporary life setbacks in order to gain followers. In all likelihood this happened to you, and the how and the what should make for something interesting reading.

          • Bingo

            Yes, God is EXTRAORDINARY—outside of ordinary, and He is above nature. Nothing about Him that His true children say, believing His word, is made up.

            You’ll have to just accept us rather than pander to your own bigotry, and negative thinking that just ends up making you sick and diseased, and move along, little dogie.

            My life is completely satisfied by God being in it, along with His many blessings and special gifts. Living according to His purposes is what life is all about—bringing glory to the King of kings! Knowing God intimately has NOTHING to do with religion. Jesus never came to live and to suffer and die for our sins to establish yet another religion. he came to show us—and you—the way to an incredibly rich and abundant life.

          • Asemodeus

            You’re still covering up some traumatic event in your life that was exploited by religion, in order to get you this way. At this point a good wager is some form of child abuse, as christian parents are not very good at raising children properly.

          • Bingo

            No cover-up here. You are reaching! Religion is something I oppose. I had excellent parents.

          • Michael Harris

            Agreed.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            Why bother trying to discuss anything with a soul that names itself after a devil!

          • uzza

            Erm ,,, you might want to reread Genesis, the serpent never talked to Adam. God told Adam he would die on the day he ate from the tree. Since Adam lived to be 930 years old I think we can safely say God wasn’t being strictly truthful there.
            That conversation was before Eve was even created. After she was, the serpent told her she wouldn’t die; she believed him; ate the fruit; didn’t die–the serpent was telling the truth.

            Then she gave some to Adam, who disobeyed God’s direct command to not eat it. No record of Eve getting such a command, and of course in Genesis 1 God told them they could eat it.

          • Asemodeus

            “God told Adam he would die on the day he ate from the tree.”

            And never told Eve, and yet Eve gets punished either way. Like I said, terrible moral story.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            So you say…

            “Since Adam lived to be 930 years old I think we can safely say God wasn’t being strictly truthful there.”

            Really?

            Titus 1:2, “In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;”

            God gave man a prophetic statement here, because He knows the end from the beginning. Why didn’t He stop the woman? Because she like the man, had free will. God did not create robots neither does He force worship. People seems to forget the Tree of Life was also there, free for them to eat.

            Genesis 2:17, “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”

            When interpreting Biblical prophetic symbols you must allow the Bible to define itself.

            2 Peter 3:8, “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”

            And both of them died IN THAT DAY. Neither one lived to see a thousand years old.

          • uzza

            People can’t predict the future and they don’t live forever, those are just facts. But even if I accept your positions, you’re saying god’s command was “Don’t eat this or you’ll live as long as everybody else.” It hardly makes sense.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            I do not know where you are getting that from because I did not say that at all. And you are right. PEOPLE do not live forever, but God…

            1 Timothy 1:17, “Now unto the King eternal, IMMORTAL, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.”

            …and they do not predict the future. God doesn’t predict the future either. That’s a weathermans job. The Creator God tells you EXACTLY what is going to happen as He has for eons with 100% accuracy.

            2 Peter 1:21, “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. ”

            Whether you want to believe it or not that is up to you, but I prefer to know what is about to happen while everyone else plays the guessing game…

          • uzza

            Try to stay on topic. The question was if god or the serpent told the truth, the answer is very obviously the serpent did.
            Also, they “prophesize” but they don’t “predict the future”? ROFL!

            You’re just digging a deeper hole. eg God promised people would live forever–they don’t—so now you just brought up another ‘lie’ to have to defend. Stop taking scripture literally and making all these problems for yourself.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            I am on topic, you brought up another one and I addressed it.

            Prediction: What you “think” will happen.

            I predict Duke will win the championship.
            I predict it will rain tomorrow.
            I predict that you will try to convince me that a lying serpent told the truth.

            Prophesy: What you “know” will happen.

            Prophecy:

            Antichrist will have his church & state sit on 7 hills

            Revelation 17:3, “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”

            Now before I define these seven heads I would like to remind you that I am not giving my “private interpretation” of this prophetic symbol. The Word of God states we are never to do this. (See 2Peter 1:20) According to Revelation, that beast the woman is sitting on, that we already defined as the Vatican church & state conglomerate, will have seven heads. But how does prophecy define those seven heads? Look just a few verses lower to find out. The Angel that is showing John this vision actually tells him point blank what those heads actually mean.

            Revelation 17:9, “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.”

            Fulfilled:

            “It is within the city of Rome, called The City on Seven Hills, that the entire area of Vatican State Proper is now confined” The Catholic Encyclopedia, p. 529.

            Prophecy:

            Antichrist is to be a blasphemous power

            Revelation 13:1, “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”

            BLASPHEMY BIBLICALLY DEFINED…

            John 10:33, “The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”

            Fulfilled:

            “The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh.” Catholic National July 1895.

            You can pick yourself off the floor now.

            And God did promise people would live forever IF they eat of the Tree of Life, which was in the Garden the whole time.

            Still do know how you figure the serpent told the truth. God told man that he would die in the day he ate of the tree, which is a prophecy. God is telling the man what He “knew” would happen if man ate. And sure enough, “in that day” (as illustrated in the Scripture, a day to the lord IS a thousand years and a thousand years as one day) man died IN THAT DAY. None lived past 1000 years.

          • uzza

            According to you: when god said a day he meant 1000 years, so what he told Adam was “within a thousand years you will die”—exactly what would happen if he didn’t eat it.
            That’s the kind of thing we say to little kids, “Don’t eat that or you’ll be dead in a thousand years”, but little kids are smart enough to know it’s a joke.

            I knew you would come back with some insane answer (Revelations, srsly?) and you did, so I guess that makes me a prophet huh?
            Goodbye.

          • Jamye Royster

            I am baffled on what you do not understand, @John1429dotorg clearly put it in layman’s terms for you…

            Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. (Adam and Eve did not follow this command and died)
            TRUTH
            2 Peter 3:8, “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” (Adam died at 930 yrs of age, he died in 1 day of the our Lord. There is no mention of Eve’s time of death)
            TRUTH
            Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. (He died the day he ate the fruit)
            TRUTH
            Gen 3:4 “You won’t die!” the serpent replied to the woman. 5“God knows that your eyes will be opened as soon as you eat it, and you will be like God, knowing both good and evil.” (I think we all know the consequences that stemmed from this.)

            FALSE
            Where is the discrepancy or misunderstanding?

          • uzza

            Oh hai. You’re telling me that I can substitute “1000 years” when god says a “day”—–“in the thousand years you eat it you’ll die”, and “all the thousand years of Adam were 930” which has Adam living 930,000 years. The reason that’s so ridiculous is that the Hebrew word in 2Peter isn’t the same as those others, nor does it change the fact that the word used in those others unequivocally means physical death, just like the English word.

            I understand all that, what I don’t understand is how a supposedly adult human, with a brain, can go through such outlandish contortions to make some text say what it manifestly does not say, and then turn around and insist we should take it literally.

          • Jamye Royster

            The scripture is telling us that in God’s realm (the heavens) where he dwells it occurred within that day and in our realm (earth) it was 930 years as it stated. There is no math problem to be solved here.

          • uzza

            The scripture is telling you what you want it to. It’s telling the rest of us what it actually says in black and white. Do you speak Hebrew? Because I see no reason to take your word—that those two Hebrew words mean the same thing–over the dictionary’s.

            Nor does your strange rationalization explain what happened when they actually ate from the Tree of Knowledge. God, who seems to have it mixed up with the Tree of Life, said they would die. The serpent’s alternative “prophecy” was that instead their ‘eyes would be opened’. So which did happen?
            ‘Their eyes were opened’ just as the serpent said. As in all the older versions of this fable the serpent was a bringer of truth and knowledge.

          • Jamye Royster

            The serpent lied when he said you would NOT die…. I see death every day. The bible is missing books and chapters. Read the Apocrypha and The Book of Enoch if you are looking for logic. It makes perfect sense.

          • uzza

            The serpent didn’t say I wouldn’t die, he wasn’t talking to me. He said Eve wouldn’t die. You see Eve die every day? Get real.

          • Michael Harris

            What is Written is Written. Some want to ague for the sake of arguing; no matter what !

          • Michael Harris

            Goodbye.

          • Michael Harris

            Oh Yes. It Is So Written.

          • Michael Harris

            I suggest that you read the comments above. There you will see that you are totally wrong about the snake telling the TRUTH. You are, in fact, and in Truth, 100 % wrong.

            The Bible says that ‘man’ was Created to live forever. Then came the ‘fall’ through Sin. Read the Bible before you totally misquote the Bible, hey. Or don’t quote the Bible when you have not read it. Same thing. You obviously have not read the Bible. So stop quoting from the Bible. Simple. If you carry on as you do, ignorant, you then write TRASH and JUNK.

          • Michael Harris

            amen to that Brother.

          • Michael Harris

            Not understood ? Where in the Bible do you say GOD said “Don’t eat this or you’ll live as long as everybody else.” ? Please explain.

          • uzza

            I didn’t say it. John1429dotorg said it. Read slower. And I agree, it’s ridiculous.

          • Michael Harris

            Alienation from GOD is ‘death’; Eternal life terminated by Sin is ‘death’; and yes, even the 1 day / 1,000 years covers the meaning of ‘death’.

            These non-Believers who say ‘the snake spoke the truth’; ‘god lied’; and TRASH and JUNK like this are desperate to find fault, no matter what. They are ‘petty’ and they ‘knit-pick’ to try to evade the TRUTH because they are Sinners who do not want to have to Obey GOD and ‘behave themselves’ according to the Word of GOD.

          • Daphy Duck

            They died spiritually on the day they ate of the tree. It created a huge gulf between God and man from that day on till Jesus gave all people the chance to return to the Creator spiritually!

          • uzza

            God didn’t tell Adam he would die spiritually, he told him he would die. If you prefer to believe that an omniscient, omnipotent god can’t express himself clearly and meant something other than what he said, you can.

            People turning their backs on the natural world in favor of a lot of written words is what caused the huge gulf between god and man.

          • Michael Harris

            Huh ? Say what ?

            You need to read the Bible; meditate on the Word; ask GOD to reveal to you the Meaning and give to you Understanding.

            Your 2nd paragraph means what ? Please explain ?

          • uzza

            Your 2nd paragraph means what ?
            OK; “Words are a poor means of communication”, and writing is poor means of conveying the spoken word. God can do much better, and in fact has. God’s creation is all around and within us. We honor and show appreciation for gods works when we study these gifts and seek to understand the messages they hold for us.

            Some ignore, or even reject, gods actual works and instead look for a message in feeble attempts at describing those works through written symbols in books. This takes them away from the actual real god and ultimately dooms them–and probably everyone else along with them.

          • Michael Harris

            amen. What a Great account of the TRUTH.

          • getstryker

            Boy, between you and Asemodeus . . . stupid must be catching. Neither of you would ‘make a pimple on a ‘bible scholar’s butt’ – read it again boys . . . Adam and Eve were NOT told they would physically die ‘the day’ they ate of the fruit – had they NOT eaten it – they would have lived forever. Disobedience to God’s command caused spiritual death – then began ‘physical death’ for everyone thereafter. That’s why Jesus had to come to redeem mankind on the Cross. You profess to know something and yet, you both know NOTHING! I could write a book but God has already done that – try reading it.

          • Michael Harris

            This is a very inaccurate ‘private’ account, not in accordance with what the Bible says. I suggest that you read what is explained above, rather than repeating it all again to you here.

          • uzza

            That is a very accurate account of exactly what the bible says. I suggest you read it.

          • getstryker

            You just might want to go back and read all that one more time . . . a bible authority – you ain’t. You be sure to let God know about his ‘terrible moral story with shoddy plot structure’ . . . I’m just real sure you and He are gonna have a big laugh together about that comment some day . . . oh yeah, a big laugh, for sure!

          • Asemodeus

            Lots of gibberish. Take out your bias on the issue and the bible as a whole has a terrible plot structure compared to other fantasy novels.

          • getstryker

            You’re entitled to your ‘opinion’ there palie . . . like I said – big laughs a com’n your way – NOT!

          • Asemodeus

            There is no overarching plot, no central character, no character development, the bad guy is actually a good guy, some of the bible is meaningless genology records, contradictions everyehere, unbelievable character choices, and laughable two dimensional characters.

            If you tried to get the bible published today for the first time, publishers would be doing nonstop spit takes from how hilarious such an idea would be.

          • Michael Harris

            Amazing. Such a bad ‘plot’. Such ‘meaningless laughable characters’; such ‘contradictions’; such little hope of being Published in 2015. Say what ?

            WOW what a ‘clever’ critic this is, hey.

            BUT, ‘funny’ that there have been more Bibles printed, and still being printed every year, including in 2015, when this very ‘clever’ critic says it should be otherwise.

            Who is the ‘clever’ one ? This guy or GOD ?

          • Asemodeus

            Just because something is bad doesn’t mean it won’t be occasionally popular. Haven’t you been paying attention to the internet?

          • Jamye Royster

            Of course it will have a terrible plot because it is our reality that is still being played out and I wholeheartedly agree with you that we are living a terrible story but our Lord tells us it will be a miraculous ending… The Bible is not a Disney Fairy tale or a Twilight Novel. It’s the Word of our Living God and I will pray that he will have mercy on you and awaken you before your judgement day.

            2 Pet 1:16 16For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.

            Philippians 1:28 28Don’t be intimidated in any way by your enemies. This will be a sign to them that they are going to be destroyed, but that you are going to be saved, even by God himself. 29For you have been given not only the privilege of trusting in Christ but also the privilege of suffering for him. 30We are in this struggle together. You have seen my struggle in the past, and you know that I am still in the midst of it.

            Jude 1:18 18They told you that in the last times there would be scoffers whose purpose in life is to satisfy their ungodly desires. 19These people are the ones who are creating divisions among you. They follow their natural instincts because they do not have God’s Spirit in them.

            I could go on and on

          • Asemodeus

            Reciting terrible scripture is only making my case for me. You christians are so intellectually lazy that you won’t read the bible cover to cover. A book you claim is the most important piece of literature ever.

          • Jamye Royster

            Very ambiguous statement as if you can speak for others. I do not have a religion, religion was developed to confuse and divide us. I am not a Christian. I am a Hebrew Israelite descendant and a child (as we all are) of our creator (of all things) the Most High, who believes that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior in which he sacrificed his life in order for us to be forgiven for the detestable things that we do and inherit everlasting life. All of my statements can be backed up. Learn your identity, do your research before speaking uneducated and falsified beliefs. I prayed for you twice and I will continue to do so. You will see… May God have mercy on you.

          • Michael Harris

            Look at yourself, sir, before you look at us Christians.

            Of course we should read the whole Bible. You, a follower of Satan, an ‘authority’ on the failings of the Bible, and a critic of us Christians. You are really confused, hey.

            Strange. Ah well, at least you are reading the Bible. Praise be to GOD in JESUS’ Name. amen

          • Asemodeus

            “Of course we should read the whole Bible.”

            But you don’t. Isn’t that interesting?

          • Michael Harris

            Yes, on and on and on. The TRUTH is the TRUTH is the TRUTH.

          • Michael Harris

            The ‘plot’; the ‘structure’ of the Bible, the Word of GOD is all so wrong and so weak and so bad, according to some.

            To others the Word of GOD, the Bible, is, and has always been, down through the Ages, and will always be, till Christ returns, ‘manna from Heaven’; contains ‘rivers of Living water’; is Joy to the heart; life to the bones; offers Life and Abundantly so … and and and and and … just read it, sir.

            Stop looking for excuses because you fear that you will have to Obey the Word. It shows to me that you are a Sinner. Repent. Ask GOD for Forgiveness. Accept JESUS as your Saviour; as your Lord, as your King. Then your ‘petty’ ‘kiit-picking’ ‘cleverness’ will vanish. That is my Testimony; my Witness to you, sir. It Is So Written – in the very Book that you seek to show to the World is a bad ‘plot’ with a bad ‘structure’. Come on ‘man’. I mean really !

          • Michael Harris

            Hey, man, this is a great ‘story-teller’ with amazing ‘plots’ to his stories. He must be to be able to pull the Bible apart in such a ‘clever’ way.

            GOD will not be mocked, hey. It Is So Written – in the Bible.

          • Michael Harris

            Huh ? Nonsense.

          • Bingo

            You’ve missed the entire plot, to boot.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            So you figure Adam hid something that important from his own wife? Really?

          • Asemodeus

            You’re assuming plot points from a book you, hilariously, claim is perfect.

            How you don’t see the hypocrisy is adorable.

          • getstryker

            Well said and completely accurate . . . thank you

          • Michael Harris

            Agreed.

        • Michael Harris

          Huh ? Say what ? What utter TRASH.

          • uzza

            Please tell me what the serpent said that wasn’t true.

        • Evangelina Vigilantee

          No, he lied, just like he always does and the deceived believe him still. Yes, lies are all that come out of his mouth, twisted truths, misquoted scriptures, and so on.

          • uzza

            Yawn. Ok, what did he say that wasn’t true?
            Here’s what he said:
            1. they wouldn’t die–they didn’t
            2 their eyes would be opened–they were (3:7)
            3.they would “be as gods knowing good from evil”–they were (3:22)

      • Michael Harris

        Agreed

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Ha-Satan is God’s chief Angel responsible for the weighing of souls at death.

      Christians invented the demiGod Satan and you can keep him. I like Jesus am a monotheist. It is your Hell and you can burn in it.

      And given how badly religious authoritarians like you do at following Jesus, you better get some asbestos undies.

      • New Centurion

        It’s very saddening to read statements like this. Plum, you really haven’t read the bible have you.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Patronize someone else. I am not interested.

          • New Centurion

            I wouldn’t dream of it! Just making an observation. You obviously have it all figured out.

          • Evangelina Vigilantee

            I can just ‘perceive’ the evil, hatred, and sneering attitude emanating from your…. uh, presence on here. I want nothing to do with types like you full of vitriolic and toxic hatred, spewing out acidic poisons. God is Love and His servants reflect Him in His nature. Defending God’s Word is synonymous with love, not opposed to it. That is what I and others do. But you are not interested in the one true gospel, we already know as you have made that obvious. I will not be returning to see more poison. And, I sort of like having the last word, which I have since anything else you say I already know is wrong so I have said it already:
            You’re wrong! Ha-ha-ha and I got the last laugh too! Not angry, just jolly here…
            : D
            Haaaaaaaaaaaa!

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Sad? Cry me a river.

      • Jonathan S.lyell

        Satin is real and people who believe like her will meet him.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Satin? I like velvet.

      • FoJC_Forever

        There is only one God – Creator and Originator – from whom all Life emanates. He sent His Word, which became human inside a virgin, and He became and is the Savior of the world, the King of kings and Lord of lords (highest possible human authority). We call Him Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and He and the Father (God – Creator and Originator) are One (the Word of God comes from the heart of God the Father).

        There are what are called gods, but they aren’t God. Some are figments of the imagination and not real entities, while others are intentional deceptions by demons, while some are even modeled with human made statues. Whether the “god” is real or imaginary, the worship of such is Sin. There is also worship (adoration, praise, reverence, and submission) to people and ideals, which is also Sin, since nothing or no one is to be worshiped but God.

        Satan isn’t a “demiGod”, he is the chief fallen angel who exalted himself up in pride with the desire to be above God. He and his foolish followers were subsequently cast out. Satan is also referred to as the Devil, Lucifer, even Beelzebub, and there are other earthly names given to him as well. The Father of Lies is one of the most fitting.

        Whatever human language wants to name Satan, he is the one who tempted the first man and woman to ignore God’s Word and listen to his word. He tried this same tactic with the Word made flesh, Jesus Christ, and utterly failed.

        All people will appear before the Judgement Seat of Christ, even those who rejected Him and decided, through listening to the above mentioned Lucifer, that He doesn’t exist. ‘Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is LORD to the glory of God the Father.’

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Blah blah blah.

      • Evangelina Vigilantee

        satan is in charge of nothing, God judges souls, not the devil. satan is in the bible, not invented. Jesus referred to him often. You must have experienced satan in those ‘meditation times’ of yours. Jesus is God.
        It is hell for all who reject Jesus as Lord and Savior. But hey, keep the love coming…! One more thing, Jesus is a religious authoritarian, because He is God, a God of justice, absolutes, truth, righteousness, the law of God, He is King of heaven. I am following Him fine, thanks. But you don’t know Him, so you wouldn’t know that either. People like you hate the Truth of Jesus, the bible, the Word of the Lord. Spare me the details, I have the blueprint already.

    • missy

      I absolutely agree with you. And as for the professor for someone so smart lady you sure are dumb. I can’t believe she has the nerve to claim to be Christian and then say that Jesus Christ was probably a homosexual. For you’re info Miss Christian confessing professor the Bible highly speaks out against homosexuals, adultery and Antichrist like you. You are no Christian, but you had better fall to your knees and repent before your death or you will meet your god “Satan”. And by the way Muslims are not merely speaking against Christianity, they are actually killing Christians. I gguess you are probably just like our president that you probably voted for and you actually believe that Isis is not radical Islam. Give me a break. I feel sorry for people like you. For you do not even know what you have said. May my God have mercy on you, because you can bet your god won’t. And unless you fall to your knees and repent my God won’t either. I hope you enjoy fire. This kind of behavior coming from someone claiming salvation set’s me on fire. Just as Jesus prophesied the world hates those who love him. This world is looking dimmer with each day that passes. People we are living in the end of day’s. For those of you who are not ready, it is my deepest desire and prayer that you would repent and except our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for his gift of salvation through his grace on the cross. And for those who are ready keeps looking up for your Lord’s return is near at hand. God bless you everyone.

    • Michael Harris

      Agreed.

  • Trevor Thomas

    When it comes to political “wars,” in spite of the meme perpetuated by most liberals, no one is more hawkish than modern liberals and the political party that they own, the Democrat Party. By and large since the 1960s, their efforts are summed up by one succinct and extremely accurate appellation: a war on the truth. (See: http://www.trevorgrantthomas.com/2014/10/liberals-wage-war-on-truth.html)

    In the history of our nation, only the pro-slavery Democrats of the 19th century rival the political deception employed by today’s liberals that lead the modern Democrat Party. Support of everything from abortion, to gender perversions, homosexuality, pornography, a redefinition of marriage, wicked climate policies, and an enslaving welfare state have made today’s Democrat Party little more than a modern-day Mephistopheles. Instead of magic to lure their Faustian targets, today’s Democrats employ, among other things, bribery, class warfare, fear, greed, lust, propaganda, scientism, vengeance, and violence.

    • Asemodeus

      Another clown that doesn’t know the difference between political ideology and political parties, and thinks parties don’t change over time.

      • Trevor Thomas

        Another clown who can’t see today’s Democrats and liberals (almost always one-and-the-same) for what they are.

        • Asemodeus

          Research the 1964 CRA vote.

  • thoughtsfromflorida

    ““There is so much wrong here it would take many volumes of books to unravel it all,” stated writer Onan Coca for BarbWire.”

    Well the last thing we’d expect for a writer for BarbWire is to actually read books.

  • Recognizing_Truth

    Originally I thought she might be a Christian, but that she was deluded, deceived.
    However a blasphemous statement such as “Jesus might have been a homosexual” – which is sin, and Jesus had no sin – shows that she is of her father the devil who is a liar.

    How far Rutgers, and the presbyterians of the United States, have fallen.

    • thoughtsfromflorida

      Or, perhaps, in the eyes of Jesus, homosexuality is not a sin. He never mentioned that it was. So, perhaps, it was made up by man based upon society at the time of the writing of the Bible.

      You are assuming that because it is in the Bible, it therefore is an accurate representative of what Jesus viewed as sin and what he did not. You cannot say that with assurance. It is merely the belief you have chosen.

      • Richard

        Jesus is God. God doesn’t change. God has always viewed homosexuality as sin. It is confirmed in both testaments. Sodom and Gomorrah is an example of that view.

        Don’t kid yourself with your uneducated opinion.

        • MisterPine

          Uneducated opinion? Or just opinion you happen not to like?

          I have heard that from MANY Christians over the years. And the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was not homosexuality, it was inhospitality.

          • MissMicki

            Read the scripture, they were condemned for numerous things including Genesis 13:13, exceedingly wicked sinners; Genesis 18:29, their sin was grievous; Genesis 18, there weren’t even 10 righteous people to be found there; Deuteronomy 23:17, no son of Israel was permitted to be a sodomite; 1 Kings 14:24, Israel is condemned because there are sodomites in the land; keep in mind the law od Leviticus 18:22 which states “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womenkind, it is ABOMINATION; ezekiel 16:49-50, the sins that caused God to destroy Sodom are listed as pride, fulness of bread (gluttony), abundance of idleness, not helping the poor or needy, haughtiness, and ABOMINATION!

            The Bible is the greatest book in existence! Don’t listen to what others have to say about it, even satan can twist scripture to fit his purposes. Find out for yourself what it says! You can read it for free on Biblegateway.com.

          • Weary Warrior

            That’s a great site! Lots of reference materials and possibly every legitimate translation/paraphrase of the Scripture.

          • Asemodeus

            Leviticus 18:22 says nothing about homosexuality, that is a christian mistranslation. The correct translation is this:

            And with a male thou shalt not lie down in a woman’s bed; it is an abomination.

            Back then only a husband could lay in a woman’s bed, as anyone else doing it was a defilement of the woman. The verse has more to do about adultery than homosexuality.

          • Margaret Keith Day

            Inhospitality?? Wow…that’s a lie from your mouth…you think he destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah for inhospitality???? You need to read the bible with your eyes open & with a repentant heart! You are so mislead!!

          • MisterPine

            No, it’s the truth, and you are a liar if you try to make writings from Biblical times to be about homosexuality when the word “homosexual” didn’t even exist until the 1800s.

          • drefasddfff

            just because that word didnt exist until 1800s does not mean that the concept did not. If you want a good example of God condemning homosexuality without it using that word, look at romans 1:18-1:32

          • MisterPine

            I think you should check out what the Religious Tolerance website has to say about those verses:

            http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc.htm

          • drefasddfff

            I find no need to see what some ‘religious tolerance’ website says about those verses…I would rather just take the bible, as God’s word, than some very contorted and misinterpreted version of it…

          • MisterPine

            What you have is an interpretation too.

          • drefasddfff

            actually what I have is a translation, which is directly compared to the originals or copies of original when translated

          • MisterPine

            Why do you think there is disagreement between people about what the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah is? Since homosexuality isn’t directly mentioned? It’s because people understand the meanings differently. That is what I mean when I say it is an interpretation. Everyone interprets.

          • drefasddfff

            Just looking at romans homosexuality is clearly shown in verse 1:27. I really dont feel like posting anything else because it is pointless ‘arguing’ because everyone feels comfortable behind their keyboards………

          • MisterPine

            You don’t have to agree with me, just Google the question “what was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah” and you will see many different answers, so clearly not everyone is in agreement.

          • The Last Trump

            Exactly. None of the homosexuals agree.
            Shocker.

          • MisterPine

            Google it yourself, Rumpy. Then come back and tell me how many of the sites were homosexual in nature.

          • The Last Trump

            “Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.” Leviticus 18:22.

            “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.” Leviticus 20:13.

            “In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.” Romans 1:27.

            I see what you mean. It’s all so very confusing, eh?
            Riiiiight. Nobody’s buying what you’re selling, Pinester.
            But it sure is fun to watch you try! 🙂

          • MisterPine
          • The Last Trump

            Inhospitality!? Yeah, I guess homosexual gang rape could be considered inhospitable!!

            Boy, nothing’s changed. Then, the militant and aggressive LGBT agenda went door to door to force its immoral actions on others who did not welcome it. Today, they sue and destroy Christians left and right and go to Christian websites to continue to push their unwelcome agenda on unwilling participants.

            “All the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. They called to Lot, “Where are the men (angels) who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have s-x with them. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing.” Genesis 19:4.

            “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.” Jude 1:7.

            Sexual immorality and perversion you say….Hmmm. That’s not what “MisterIntolerant” would have us believe, now is it?

            Yeah. “Inhospitality”! There’s a reason to destroy entire cities!
            Folks, don’t ever let the lost and the godless tell YOU what the Bible has to say.

            Nice try, Pinemeister.
            But you’ll have to do better than that. Much, much better.

          • MisterPine

            How does it feel to know the entire world is laughing at you, Trumpy?

          • The Last Trump

            Still speaking for the ENTIRE world, eh bigot?
            Somebody has delusions of grandeur!
            And a hateful, intolerant attitude towards religious freedoms.
            Don’t be a hater, Pine. Nobody likes a hater!
            You crazy Christian website stalking LGBT troll, you! 🙂

          • MisterPine

            Wow, Trumpy.

            Take a moment. Wipe the flecks of hate-spittle from the corners of your mouth. Take a few deep breaths.

            Feel better?

            Now listen:

            You’re nuts. If you need proof you’re nuts, go here:

            http://www.fstdt.com/Search.aspx?Fundie=Last+Trump

            There, see?

          • The Last Trump

            Are you STILL using and promoting a website to attack, ridicule and bully others?! Shocking!!
            Imagine! A hateful, bigoted and intolerant bully wallowing in a website that is hateful, intolerant and bullying.
            I guess if the shoe fits, eh intolerant Christian bashing troll? 🙂

          • MisterPine

            It’s cute how you can’t even get a sentence out without throwing three or four abusive adjectives in for good measure. Aw, it’s so cute watching you struggle for control. It wouldn’t be THIS website that’s bothering you, would it? THIS site which I invite everyone to have a good, hard look at to see a man being blasted within an inch of his life for the irretrievably stupid things he says and believes?

            THIS site, here:

            http://www.fstdt.com/Search.aspx?Fundie=Last+Trump

          • The Last Trump

            HA HA HA HA HA HA!
            THERE IT IS AGAIN!
            Do it again, hater! C’mon!
            Show everybody what you’re all about!
            In 3…2…1…

          • MisterPine

            Also, before you go off on your usual hee hee heeing and pant-peeing, try this on for size, if you think Sodom and Gomorrah is about homosexuality:

            http://www.religioustolerance.org/hombibg193.htm

          • Nick_from_Detroit

            That’s gotta be one of the most ridiculous arguments I’ve ever read about Sodom and Gomorrah, Mr. Pine. Including the it was about hospitality one!
            Ever heard of bi-sexual deviants? Sexual perversion has many forms.

          • MisterPine

            I suspect the thing you like least about it is that it comes from a website called “Religious Tolerance,” which is urging you to act more like Christ and less like a spoiled, entitled brat. The article is good and suggests why Sodom and Gomorrah is unlikely about homosexuality, but of course you know better than everyone else, including those who prove you wrong.

            No, I’ve never heard of bi-sexual deviants. I have heard of bisexual human beings though.

          • Nick_from_Detroit

            No, Mr. Pine, your anti-Christian friends are engaging in eisegesis, not biblical exegesis, I’m afraid.
            If you can’t figure out how Gen.1, Noah’s Ark, and the Tabernacle/Temple are related, how can you possibly expound on what’s going on in the story of Lot?
            Your ignorance of the Sacred Scriptures precludes you from commenting on them, Mr. Pine.

            Bi-sexual deviants are those persons who choose to have sexual contact/relations with both men & women.

          • MisterPine

            Here y’are. You can thank me later.

            http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Global_flood

            Knowledge of the scriptures is useless for daily living, they are not the words of God but of human beings.

            There are no such things as “Bi-sexual deviants”, Nick from Detroit, just as there are no such things as counterfeit SS “marriages.” Your smug and disapproving firebrands serve only your bigotry and not reality.

          • The Last Trump

            Got it.
            No homosexuals in the Sodom and Gomorrah history. (!)
            Okey dokey, Pinester. Don’t know how we all managed to get it wrong all of these THOUSANDS of years. Thank you for swinging by here daily to educate us, bud.
            What would we do without you sexually immoral atheists constantly haunting this place, desperate to translate what the Bible REALLY says for all the ignorant Christians!
            Hee, hee! Too funny! What a nut. 🙂

          • MisterPine

            Well, it wouldn’t be the FIRST time you’ve gotten something totally, wackily, off-the-rails wrong, would it, Trumpy?

            Here are some more examples of you getting it wrong and the world laughing at you:

            http://www.fstdt.com/Search.aspx?Fundie=Last+Trump

          • The Last Trump

            THE WORLD!!!
            HA HA HA HA HA HA!

            Pinester and the other TWO dysfunctional nerds who visit his NAZ! hate machine website! Posting his virus ridden link WITH EVERY POST desperately trying to get SOMEBODY to read his hateful rants!

            Anybody. Anybody at all? NO? 🙁

          • MisterPine

            Face it Trumpy, you’ve been immortalized on Fundies Say the Darnedest Things. And they WERE pretty darnedest, weren’t they? My God! I’ll bet a lot of the people who commented were wondering what is seriously WRONG with you to post something so completely detached from reality. You should embrace your fame, you get it only once in this lifetime. This is your legacy.

          • The Last Trump

            “A LOT OF PEOPLE”!! 🙂
            Hee, hee!!
            You’re killn’ me!
            Let me get this straight. You take comments from a public forum… and then….. you post them…..wait for it…wait for it ………………..
            ON ANOTHER PUBLIC FORUM!!??

            Take THAT fundies!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
            Ahhh, you really don’t know how crazy you are you poor bugger!

          • MisterPine

            Boy, it’s satisfying to shut down your inane hee hee hees with something that proves you have no idea what you’re talking about.

            A couple websites of interest, lest you think fstdt is some little fly by night website:

            http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fundies_Say_the_Darndest_Things

            http://www.fstdt.com/Search.aspx?Fundie=Last+Trump

            Hee, hee, hee!

          • The Last Trump

            Yes. You shut ME down. With something that PROVES (?!), huh?

            You’re losing it again, MIsterFSTDT.com.

            Last time I checked you were ceaselessly plugging your “Intolerance For Dummies” website (again) and losing your arguments here to everyone. Easily.
            You PROVED something, did you? Pray tell!

            Hey, and do that thing again where you “prove” five cities where destroyed for “inhospitality!” 🙂

            And that there was no such thing as homosexuallity in antiquity because the “term hadn’t been invented yet”!? 🙂
            Adorable!

            Oh, and hey. Let me help you out there.
            http://www.fstdt.com/Search.aspx?Fundie=Last+Trump

            (Maybe if I keep posting your … public forum quotes… of comments… posted on public forums ( hee, hee! 🙂 you might actually get around to saying something intelligent? No?)

            No need to rush. We’ll wait.

            http://www.fstdt.com/Search.aspx?Fundie=Last+Trump
            There you go, again! You little Christian hater you!
            There’s another one! You’re welcome. 🙂

          • MisterPine

            You and I have a very different understanding of what “losing your arguments here to everyone” means.

            Maybe the words of one of your “fans” tells the story better than you or I could manage:

            #1785121
            Kanna

            To start with, moron, you don’t learn biology in an aeronautical engineering class. You have to learn it through classes in biology, zoology, comparative anatomy, geology, and paleontology, and that’s just for starters. Lots and LOTS of chemistry, physics, and that all-important class on ethics in science and the nature of objective evidence, and the principle in science that evidence comes first, conclusions come LATER….. You better get busy. You have a lot to learn before you can even BEGIN to discuss the topic with any intelligence.

            And don’t you DARE try to call your ignorance “science” or your inanities “intelligent”!

          • The Last Trump

            Oh my! I’ve been told.
            By ….KANNA?!

            You SHOWED ME, eh bud?

            Hee, hee!
            Oh, Pine you are adorable!

          • MisterPine

            And have you taken Kanna’s advice? HAVE you gotten busy? Picked up a science ethics text, or are you just going to re-read Revelation for the 250th time so you can imagine all the big bad Kannas of this world being tortured by your loving God?

            Yeah…thought so.

          • The Last Trump

            Of course! KANNA has spoken! (Hee, hee! 🙂
            “Big bad Kannas”!! Did you really say THAT with a straight face!
            Some twelve year old boy/girl (!?) with braces and a picture of Adolph Hitler on “his” wall. Next to the poster of his favourite scientific documentary, “The Planet of the Apes”, of which he thinks himself descended from!
            “BIG BAD KANNAS”!!
            Too funny. 🙂
            (Come to think of it….does sound like something you might name a gorilla, no? “Kanna want banana?” 🙂

          • MisterPine

            From “What’d I Do”:

            Stand for whatever you want.

            Delude yourself however you want.

            Whine and cry and stomp (how “dignified” of you) all you want.

            The rest of the world will leave you behind, as it always has and always will. Enjoy!

          • MisterPine

            That’s right, Rumpy, I take comments from a public forum…and then…I post them…wait for it…wait for it…………..ON ANOTHER PUBLIC FORUM!

            And guess why?

            So you can READ them and be HUMILIATED by them!

            HEE HEE HEE!

            Enjoy!

          • Nick_from_Detroit

            How loving and tolerant of you, Mr. Pine. You must be very proud of yourself, eh?

          • MisterPine

            Eat your heart out, Nick from Detroit.

          • The Last Trump

            Yes, Pinester.

            Your reposting of my already posted public comments is so very, very humiliating.
            Oh, the shame of it all! Please. No more. Stop.
            I can’t take it anymore. (?)
            Yawn.

            Oh yeah. Almost forgot.
            http://fstdt.com/
            There you go little buddy. Let your hate and bigotry flow! 🙂

          • MisterPine

            This is one of my favourite responses you got:

            “Speaking of MAGIC…

            Where did your god come from? MAGIC!

            How did your god make everything out of nothing? MAGIC!

            How did your god solve all the problems with the flood? MAGIC!

            How did your god walk on water? MAGIC!

            How did your god part the Red Sea? MAGIC!

            How did your god rise from the dead? MAGIC!

            How did your god rise into heaven? MAGIC!

            How did your god heal the sick? MAGIC!

            How does your god hear your prayers and know everything you are thinking? MAGIC!

            EVERYTHING you believe is MAGIC!

            Hee, hee! Yup. YOUR ENTIRE BELIEF SYSTEM IS MAGIC!

            You idiots will believe anything, wontcha?”

          • MisterPine

            And Dan Onymous REALLY drives the point home in one single but devastating sentence:

            “It takes a very special type of stupid to be so proud of your willful ignorance.”

        • UmustBKiddinMe

          I respect that you believe that to be true. But unless you are God, you cannot say, with certainty, what his views are. Are you God, Richard?

  • staad

    “This God isn’t the God that I serve,” u got that right madam, your Father is the devil (Jn8:44).

    • RileyN

      That was my exact thought.

  • Chris Sinclair

    She is Christian like Muslims eat pork.

  • April J

    Amen, sista.

  • MissMicki

    She doesn’t talk the talk, I’m sure she doesn’t walk the walk either. Too earthly minded to be of any heavenly good!

  • Joshua Krug

    I lose it at radical. Jesus was the Messiah. Different from a rebel.

    • Joshua Krug

      In other words, he was so radically obedient, that sacrifices for sin were no longer necessary.

  • Kerry Hall

    God will be the final judge….

  • Goldie Chaplan

    How in the world did she get to that conclusion? Perhaps she needs to re-read or re-listen. No one was denied service at the Pizza. The owner’s have a right not to contract with someone who is requesting a service that goes against their conscience. If this lady was a baker. She might not want to bake a cake that honors the KKK and she would have every right to say no.

  • Alan Robert Springfield

    Fojc_Forever, has it right on!

  • Alan Robert Springfield

    BTW Do not trust anything from Salon as the
    y are in my opinion as liberal as thet come!

  • Margaret Keith Day

    Not a Christian!

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      We accept her. We accept her. One of us. Gooble gobble. Gooble gobble.

  • Weary Warrior

    Totally, unequivocally blasphemous. NO understanding of holy living, which is the life goal of EVERYONE who follows Christ Jesus, God incarnate, with a renewed heart. She can speak “Christianese” but she has zero understanding of how the Christian life is to be lived out. She will repent or she will be condemned at the Great White Throne Judgment described in the Book of the Revelation, the last book in the Bible.

  • StarkStealthArmor

    In her opinion piece posted on Wednesday, the professor asserted that
    religious freedom laws are driven by Christians who are “antagonistic to
    every single group of people who are not white, male, Christian,
    cisgender, straight and middle-class.” How did this become all about race all of a sudden. This is another attempt of what I call opposite racism. I know many in the black community, my son is bi-racial of 23 disagrees totally as I do. The religious freedom restoration act, is not about white people being antagonists toward black people, nor male against female. That is non-sense. The type of non-sense that creates division. Really, are people that naive to think that these laws from the Federal Government down to the states are against the black community? The black community in many cases ARE CHRISTIANS.

  • haas

    Jesus loves you lady,

  • David Brown

    What a thoroughly deluded Woman. Its scary that others might think she represents true Christianity ; sort of a hodge-podge of Secular Humanistic American culture perverted lifestyles thinking that they are endorsed by a pure, holy, righteous, infinitely moral God . Shes an expert in apostasy . A person who gives God lip service but who doesn’t want to give up making SELF and mankind its own authority (Humanism at its worst)

  • Elat

    She’s right about one thing; she’s not serving that God, i.e. the God of the Bible. She’s invented a god tailor fitted to her own beliefs that are the polar opposite of the Bible’s.

  • railhead

    I tried to stop coming here and posting, but this one caught my eye on the newswire.

    The thing that is so obvious is that “the god she serves” is not the God of the Bible. The God of the Bible has made all nations of the earth of one blood, and is no respecter of persons, so obviously race has nothing to do with anything, but people love to throw that in any time they want to skew the subject and distract people from the actual topic. The God of the Bible also clearly defines different roles for men and women, however. Deal with it. This idea of men and women being the same is what has caused all the gender bending, and homosexuality. It’s not of God.

    The funny thing is, though, that this is the newest trend. People create God in their own image, and call themselves “Christians” because they think Jesus was some hippie political activist who just taught people to “do their own thing”. Maybe it’s the sandals that throw people off (although I don’t think the Bible ever specifically said Jesus wore sandals). But if they ever studied the Bible, they would know that Jesus and the Bible are inseparable. Jesus IS the word made flesh. There is also ANOTHER JESUS, according to the Bible. In other words, if you don’t believe the Bible, you got the wrong Jesus. You can’t just make up your own God, name him Jesus, and say that you are saved because of your faith in your fake “Jesus”. I heard Oprah say this kind of stuff years ago when I still had television, maybe that’s where she gets it from.

  • Tracy Nikkel

    A youth leader of mine, when I was a teenager, used to tell us that if you worship any version of Christ other than that represented by scripture, you are engaged in idolatry. This woman’s Jesus is not the Jesus of scripture. Any Christian who misconstrues motives of people who want to take us back to the Biblical roots of our faith, restore our respect for God’s Word, & realign us with the unchanging God, who is the author & perfecter of our faith, is missing something crucial. To say that God’s way is racist & misogynistic, is insulting to anyone who knows their Bible. I feel sorry for this woman that her world view is so distorted by paranoia & distrust, that she sees these things in something as innocent as a return to God’s word. We serve a God of Grace, but not a God of compromise. Morality is not negotiable. Sin is still sin as it always has been. God extends grace to the repentant only. Those who stubbournly hold to their sin are still at odds with God. You cannot have it both ways.

    • Asemodeus

      “A youth leader of mine, when I was a teenager, used to tell us that if
      you worship any version of Christ other than that represented by
      scripture, you are engaged in idolatry.”

      That’s the main problem right there. You take the word of a uncredited youth pastor seriously.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      You contradict Jesus. Everybody goes to heaven. Review what Jesus says about the ‘perfection’ of God in Matthew.

  • Disqusdmnj

    Here comes the ultimate ‘No True Scotsman’ fallacy!

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      I know…this is some of the best fun you can have with your clothes on.

      • Disqusdmnj

        That being the way most on here prefer their fun, I assume! ; )

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Seems that way.

  • Conservative seer

    The left know how to pick these ignorant people that claim to be Christians, she needs to study the bible and learn

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Anybody who OTHERS people like you do must read the parable of the Good Samaritan ten times.

  • Maranatha2011

    Tragically, this woman pays homage to a Jesus of her own creation to justify her sinful life. She spews heresy loudly & blindly to convince herself, as well as others, that all is right in her world. What a shock she will have on the last day when she stands before her Judge.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      What a shock YOU will have on the last day when you stand before your Judge. Jesus said – He who beats his brother must answer for it to the court; he who sneers at him will answer for it in the fires of Hell.

      Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

  • disqus_Ng0mqFrwvP

    smh….why say Jesus is queer? she’s mean

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Because Jesus calls himself a eunuch and classes himself as among the people who should not marry. Read the book you thump.

  • Denise Miller Rorabaugh

    Her judgement day will come as it does for all when every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. Until then ,she obviously needs our prayers.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      She is a Christian. Jesus is her Lord. Never pray for me. God might think I hang out with you.

  • dongszkie

    CLEAR !: and no question, she isn’t Christian at all! why give her any notice???

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      You are not in charge of who is a Christian and who is not. Way above your paygrade.

  • Jesusawareness

    Seriously?Are there people like this still walking this earth?I pray that her eyes of understanding be opened,because from all this ranting,she is totally ignorant. But today,God calls everyone to now repent.Give your life to Jesus-yes,that one you just blasphemed against. Don’t worry, He is merciful and will not hold it against you. Only repent!

    • Paul Hiett

      Out of curiosity, what is the only unforgivable sin?

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Blasphemy agains the Holy Spirit and fool just committed it.

  • Jonathan S.lyell

    So far from being a true Christian she needs to repent. Or she will have a hot eternity.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
      Better get yourself some asbestos undies.

      • Crono478

        You are taking Matthew 7:1 out of context. For this verse, Jesus was telling us to avoid hypocritical, self-righteous judgment of others.

        For example, if we are judging sins done by other people when we do the same thing, then yes we should be condemned for that. Also, Jesus tells us do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” Therefore, what we need to do is to make righteous judgment, which is based on God’s words rather than ourselves as sinners. Sometimes, some situations may not be clear and it can be difficult to make righteous judgments.

        This is good article to clear up misconceptions on this area – https://answersingenesis.org/bible-questions/does-the-bible-tell-christians-to-judge-not/

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          I was insulting him because he is was doing what he said not to do. Get a clue.

          • Crono478

            Honestly, can a Christian say that Jesus is possibly a homosexual or anything that is blasphemy against Him. Bible says in 1 John 2:22 that anyone isn’t a Christian if one denies Jesus Christ.

            That actually supports what Jonathan S. Lyell said about her.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Jesus included himself in the list of sexual minorities who should/could not marry. Jesus is accepting and understanding of sexual minorities. You do not follow Jesus. Stop pretending you do.

          • Crono478

            Plum Dumpling, what do you mean by this? Can you elaborate more?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Are you going to tell me I am (crazy, sinful, not a Christian, unlearned, etc.) if I do? Because I am really tired of the trolls on this board. And I would like to talk about it.

          • Crono478

            I never called you any names such ones that you listed above. We have many people that includes trolls and “Christians” who have no fear of God. If they die now, they are going to hell according to God’s laws that they broke. Bible says in Psalms 19:7 that the law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. It also says in Psalm 110:10 that fear of God is beginning of wisdom. When people understand that they fall short of God’s law and is under His judgment, that is where gospel come in. Jesus already paid for our sins through the Cross. God can legally dismiss our case if we trust in Jesus Christ for our salvation alone.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I do not support the Atonement. I am responsible for my own sins. I am responsible for my own redemption. There is nothing to be saved from. Everybody goes to Heaven.
            I do not follow Jesus to profit from his death. I follow him because what he teaches speaks to my condition.

          • Crono478

            “I am responsible for my own sins.”

            Who do you think you have sinned against?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Why do you ask?

          • Crono478

            It is because Bible says that every sin is against God.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I do not do sin. The word has become meaningless because it is traded about so often.

          • Crono478

            Have you ever lied in your life?
            Have you stole anything no matter what value it is?
            Have you looked at someone else in a lustful way?
            Have you ever use God’s name in vain?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            What is your point?
            I said I do not do sin. And I will not do sin with you. It is a religious con game aimed at the innocent and the guilty.

          • Crono478

            It is not a religious con game aimed at you. God is real and will judge every sin. If you follow Jesus because of what he teaches, then are you following his words He spoke:

            Adultery in the Heart – Matthew 5:27-30

            27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old,[a] ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[b] 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            God is real. God loves absolutely. Everybody goes to Heaven.
            I have no desire to play the Sin Congame with you.

          • Crono478

            You are completely ignoring the verse above. You are not truly following what Jesus has to say about our sins and that we will be sent to Hell if we do not repent of our sins. You only select some of what you like about Jesus and completely ignore God’s truth that we sinned against Him.

            Plum Dumpling, I am not playing games or trying to trick you. I am serious with you. If you die before you got any chance to repent of your sins and ask Jesus to deliver you from God’s wrath, then you will be sent to Hell.

            It is a loving thing to tell you this. I don’t want you to be the person who regret that you heard of God’s truth but never got to repent of your sins, and to suffer in hell for eternity. God is very patient with you until you see that you are a sinner who is completely guilty of breaking His laws and receive righteousness through your faith in Jesus Christ your Savior alone. This is only way we will make to Heaven.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am not ignoring it. I know it is there. I do not do sin.

          • Crono478

            No, you are ignoring God’s truth. He said that all of us are sinners. There is no one who is righteous. For you to say that you do not sin, it means that you are a self righteous person who believes that you will go to Heaven.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I did not say I do not “sin.” I said I do not do Sin the Congame.
            Stop running the game on me. It is boring. It is shaming. I have no shame. Thank you God.

          • Crono478

            Oh I didn’t catch “do not do” part. It is like you are speeding 15 mph over the limit. You don’t feel guilty and it doesn’t bother you at all. That is until police car spots you speeding and pull you over. You would become guilty all of sudden because you know you broke traffic law for driving over the speed limit.

            This is same idea, God does have His laws. That is to display His righteousness. Many people do not feel guilty because they don’t believe that they break His law. When they die, they come before God on the throne, they become guilty all of sudden because He already know when and how many times that you broke His laws. He is also a perfect Judge and must punish you for this.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Keep your God. I do not like him.

          • Crono478

            He is not just “my God”, He is our Lord. Everyone will confess that Jesus is Our Lord.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Not me. I do not believe in the divinity of Jesus. We get the God we deserve. I do not like your god.

          • Crono478

            How can yo follow Jesus but you don’t believe in his divinity. Also, any one can get their god. It doesn’t make the true God to go away.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I follow what Jesus told me to do. I think his rules for living make sense.

          • Crono478

            Jesus said in Luke 13:3

            3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.

            This is Jesus you are following. I am not even lying or pressuring you. This is in Bible.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            That is not what he said in Matthew.

          • Crono478

            Matthew 4:17

            From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            He also talked about God’s perfection. What is the perfection of God? “He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous:”
            Everybody goes to heaven.
            I am not talking to you about sin anymore. You are starting to disgust me and I do not like feeling that way.

          • Crono478

            You have quoted Matthew 5:45. In in this same verse, God mentioned both the righteous and the unrighteous.

            Can you explain to me who is unrighteous?

            You don’t want to talk about it anymore because you are resisting God’s truth.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            No. Stupid question.
            I have already told you NO I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT SIN WITH YOU. Several times.
            You are a spiritual rapist and unconscious as a muffin.

          • Crono478

            You are willing to follow Jesus on any topic except sin. This is a big NO to you. It is your stumbling block to your belief that everyone go to Heaven. You can call me any names if you want to. I have been called worse than that. I care about you because I do not want you to die in your sins. Even, Jesus himself had to say a lot about Hell.

            In case if you change your mind, you can visit http://www.needgod.com

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            No. I am not willing to talk TO YOU about sin.
            My relationship with God is a private affair. Two is company and you are a crowd.

          • Crono478

            Unless you repent of your sins and accept Jesus Christ as your Savior, you don’t really have any relationship with God. If you die without doing both of this as I mentioned above, He will tell you, “I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.” (Matthew 7:23)

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Bye now.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Why is it that religious authoritarians feel free to ignore the boundaries of others? Step back. You are not my teacher.
            I will not play THE SIN GAME with you.

  • Nathan Z Solomon

    From a purely logical point of view, this Professor makes no sense. The sole purpose of the RFRA ensure that the Government would have the burden of proof should there be a case against a religion…such as with Hobby Lobby, the Nuns and the Indians. She’s just pointing to Indiana as if that’s the one and only State that has passed this law when, in fact, the Federal Government and 18+ States have already passed this law.

    In my opinion, she’s just riding a wave of conjecture and misinformation and as a result has shown both her Ph.D and position as an Educator are without merit…a fool spouting stupidity instead of a person who builds arguments based on fact and then summaries the conclusion based on fact. She doesn’t site the RFRA, she doesn’t show the difference between Indiana’s version of the RFRA and the rest of the Country’s and she doesn’t prove with fact, how the law can be used to “religiously target racism”. No…all this is just a rant and fear-mongering from an idiot…full of sound and furry, signifying nothing.

    In the end, all she’s done is show the fool that she is.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Indiana’s RFRA is not the same as the federal RFRA. Liar liar pants on fire.

      • Nathan Z Solomon

        I didn’t say that. Don’t put words in my mouth (comment).

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Laughing at you.

        • Paul Hiett

          Actually, you did. Read the last line of your first paragraph.

          • Nathan Z Solomon

            So you’re saying that the following statement: “She’s just pointing to Indiana as if that’s the one and only State that has passed this law when, in fact, the Federal Government and 18+ States have already passed this law.” As me saying that they are all the same? Let’s be specific here. They are all called RFRA. They are all passed in multiple States. They are all not the same exact law. I’m sure one says “Arkansas”, another says “Alaska”…so they are different.

            But I think you’re missing the point.

            The point is she didn’t speak logically. She didn’t prove her point. She flies off on a tangent. If all you have is to parse my statements instead of really try to understand, then this discussion is over…because in the end, it was never a discussion…just a bunch of ridicule.

  • halieuo Anthropos

    Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

  • jmichael39

    educated idiots.

  • Bruce Morrow

    I would hate this nutty woman as my teacher or professor.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      I think she sounds like an interesting person and thinker.

  • Faithwalker

    This woman is a racist atheist who has blasphemed the Triune God. Because she has blasphemed God, she has secured her place in eternity and it won’t be in heaven.

    • Paul Hiett

      Isn’t that for someone else to decide?

      • Faithwalker

        God already spoke it in His word that she is an antichrist. My opinion, as an African American woman, she is a racist.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          When did God do that? He was at my house last Monday and said not one word about it.

      • Deina

        Apparently she figures that God wouldn’t dare disagree with her!

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      No thank you. I will stick with Jesus.
      Sh’ma Yis’ra’eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad.
      Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.
      Barukh sheim k’vod malkhuto l’olam va’ed.
      Blessed be the Name of His glorious kingdom for ever and ever.

  • Daniel Allen

    Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.” Professor , What does this passage mean to you ?

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      It means that Paul was an authoritarian sexpig. He makes my pervert alarm clang bigtime. I will stick with Jesus.

  • Peter Leh

    ““Remember folks, Jesus told us that the world would hate us,” he wrote.
    “He said that [since] they had crucified Him, what did we think they
    would do to us?!””

    Also remember this verse is not a self fulfilling prophesy. sometimes people just hate [email protected]@sses

  • Jonathan S.lyell

    Well plum dumpling. Not trying to be judgemental. Stating a biblical fact. If she keeps making FALSE statements that are not biblical(wonder if she’s ever read a bible statements) she’s going to hell. Read your bible what she is saying is of the devil not Christ. And anyone who shares that FALSE belief with her will be joining her in a hot eternity. NOT JUDGMENT. BIBLICAL FACT

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      You are ignorant, conformist, and hostile = the authoritarian trifecta.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      The Bible is a big cherry pie. Everybody is a cherry picker including you.
      There is no devil in Judaism. Christians created Satan. It is Christian Hell. You burn in it. I will save France.

      • Jonathan S.lyell

        Just proves how biblically ignorant you are. Cause if you believe like you do and how she does. You are most definitely be seeing each other in hell. Read a bible get perspective and believe in what the Bible says. It is God breathed and if you don’t believe that then you are calling Him a liar. Thus leading to a hot eternity. Enjoy

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Just proves how biblically ignorant you are.

          ……………
          I stop reading at the first insult. I wonder what you wrote.

          • Jonathan S.lyell

            Truth hurts to bad apparently

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            In your dreams, LoveBug. In your dreams.

  • Covered California

    She’s absolutely right.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Yes she is. America is a white patriarchal society and if you are a woman, a child or a minority, you are f****d,

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    You read this board for 15 minutes and most of these folks proclaiming their Xtianity will make you want to puke. Poison. No wonder folks like gays more than fundy Xtians these days.

    • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

      And its Satans oldest trick in the book and it has been working for eons…

      What is the easiest way the devil can get people to hate Christians. Pretend to be one! Even the child molesting pedophile to the axe murderer, as long as you claim Christian it allows more hate to those that truly are. Prime example. The POPE. All one has to do is look into the Scriptures then examine the deeds of the person claiming the name and then it is EASY to know whether or not they actually are.

      I do agree with you…this is an utter disgrace. For anyone to believe this woman is a Christian is either they want a reason to hate Christians or never read a Bible to find out what one truly is.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Blah blah blah.

        • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

          🙂

  • Michael Harris

    This is a terrible woman, hey. She is a Professor, but she has personal problems. Just look at her. I agree with Frank. Lord Bless, Michael.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Jesus told you not to sneer at people. You are going to burn. Jesus said so.

  • Bingo

    She has yet to encounter the real Jesus.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      No true Scotsman…

      • Bingo

        Even the Scottish need the true Jesus.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          No True Scotsman is a logical fallacy by which an individual attempts to avoid being associated with an unpleasant act by asserting that no true member of the group they belong to would do such a thing; this fallacy also applies to defining a term or criteria biasedly as to defend it from counterargument which can be identified as a biased, persuasive, or rhetorical definition. Instead of acknowledging that some members of a group have undesirable characteristics, the fallacy tries to redefine the group to exclude them. Sentences such as “all members of X have desirable trait Y” then become tautologies, because Y becomes a requirement of membership in X.

          The fallacy does not occur in defining a group or label narrowly to begin with, but in narrowing it by excluding evidence that contradicts an initially broad definition.

          • Bingo

            It doesn’t apply here. All people who have encountered Jesus Christ could not speak as this woman has spoken, for we are brothers and sisters. She may be religious, but she is not a follower of Christ.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You do not get to decide that. Way above your paygrade.

          • Bingo

            I have the authority in Christ to make such a judgment. We who are His know each other. She proves by her words that she doesn’t know God at all. Must be a god of her own making, in which case, she is speaking out of delusion and does no one any good.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You are not the judge of her soul or her Christianity.
            Jesus told you not to sneer at people. By your own lights, you are going to burn.

          • Bingo

            That is not the kind of judging we are authorized to use. We are authorized by Jesus Christ to judge what is righteous and what is not—what is serving the cause of Christ and what is serving the cause of the enemy. This woman is serving the cause of the enemy…clearly.

            Only people who are self-satisfied and happily in the dark, spiritually, and want to remain that way, act the way you’ve just suggested.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            What is ‘the enemy?’ You have two Gods?

          • Bingo

            The enemy is anyone who defies God, and ultimately he is Satan, but man in the natural is also at enmity with God.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Natural man is the enemy of God?

            How incredibly stupid and evil.

            Jesus said the ordinary natural man was the ‘salt of the Earth’ without which life would lose its savor.

            If you have contempt for man, how can you love God. God makes inferior beings?

          • Bingo

            I speak what God says and if you were a believer as you claim, you’d know that. Putting lying words in Jesus’ mouth shows me you have no clue about the scriptures, and especially Jesus Christ.

            The salt of the earth is NOT natural man but Christians. People in the natural are at enmity with God.

            Be elucidated:

            Matthew 5:13-14
            Believers Are Salt and Light
            “You are the salt of the earth. But what good is salt if it has lost its flavor? Can you make it salty again? It will be thrown out and trampled underfoot as worthless. 14 “You are the light of the world—like a city on a hilltop that cannot be hidden.

            James 4:4
            Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

            1 Corinthians 2:14
            But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I do not agree with you.

          • Bingo

            You disagree with God.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You are not God. My affair with God is private.

          • Bingo

            Of course I am not God, but I am His kid. Our faith is not to be private. We are commanded to share it with the world. In your case, it would be best to be quiet about it until you have read and believed the bible.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Do not Jesus at me. If you must blabber on, blabber at somebody else. You skeeve me.

          • Bingo

            Well, I can certainly see you lack the Spirit of God in you, by whom Christians know each other.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Good thing you don’t get to put me out.
            Neener neener neener.

          • Bingo

            Nor will you stop me from defending the faith in this Christian publication.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am a Christian. Be my guest.
            I am going to use you as an example of a misdirected religious authoritarian.
            The more you say, the better I like it.
            I am writing about this thread and the folks in it.

          • Bingo

            Good for you.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            True. I judge that you are not righteous because you lack common sense, believe in the fairies and lack charity.

          • Bingo

            You speak as one who has never had an encounter with Christ. True Christians know each other.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Okay. Bye now.

          • Bingo

            Yep—so long, Plum. I pray you find the Truth.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Do not pray for me. God might think I hang out with you.

          • Bingo

            God would want you to hang out with me!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            My love affair with God is private. We do it in the closet. Two is company and you are a crowd.

          • Bingo

            That is a completely anti-Christ comment. If your faith is true, and placed in Jesus Christ and what He has bought for us on the cross, you would be unable to be quiet about it. Christians are to be outward focused…not inward and private.

          • Mr. G.

            Are you operating under the illusion that something you found in the Bible grants you that authority / places it within your pay grade? If so, I very much disagree.

          • Bingo

            Jesus Christ gives all His followers His authority. We have been given the mind of Christ to be able to judge what is righteous and what is not. It’s elementary.

            You may disagree all you like. But what He says—goes.

          • John Andrew Schmanek

            “yes, a straw man argument consists ENTIRELY of putting words that they didn’t say into someone else’s mouth.” – Mr G.

            Your in trouble now Bingo cause MR. G is all types of super smart here.

          • Thomas

            Don’t be discouraged by anyone who tells you that you have no authority. That Rutgers University professor did not have the authority to claim anything and yet some defend her and admonish you instead. Those that would turn the tables in such a manner are fakes and false prophets. Carry on Bingo.

          • Bingo

            Thank you. I am never deterred by such folk, for I can see that they have only a smidgeon of truth (if any at all). It does get tiresome, however, wading through the mire they throw in our way, but in Christ, we have an opportunity to cut through it with the sword of the Spirit, the sharpest thing in the universe.

          • http://buddymccue.wordpress.com/ Buddy McCue

            Actually, that’s one of the clearest examples of the “No True Scotsman” fallacy I’ve ever read.

          • Bingo

            That’s just an unbeliever’s nonsense.

          • http://buddymccue.wordpress.com/ Buddy McCue

            Believers and non-believers alike can use logic.

            There’s nothing to be afraid of… give it a try sometime!

          • Bingo

            Unbelievers’ logic can be twisted, and in this article, it truly is very twisted.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am a believer. You are the kind of legalistic pissant Jesus fought with.

          • Bingo

            When did you receive Jesus as your personal Saviour and Lord? How has He changed your life?

            I highly doubt you have a relationship with Him by the betrayal of your own words.

          • Bingo

            You are a believer in what? Who? Certainly not Jesus Christ.

          • http://www.scientificabortionlaws.com/ Russell Crawford

            No true Scotsman would use a “No True Scotsman” fallacy.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            LOL. Good one. Hey Russell.

  • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

    This antiChrist is being paid with TaxSlave dollars too! She should be fired, at least! Blaspheming WITCH!

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      You are a raving lunatic.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    I have been reading this thread for awhile now and I need to say this:

    The experience of awe/reverence is a function of the human psyche and finds its expression as religion/spirituality.

    Wm. James gave a long and famous lecture about religon entitled The Varieties of Religious Experience that explores and elucidates that idea. And thereby provided us with a scientific/sociological definition of religion. See quote below:

    “Religion…shall mean for us the feelings, acts, and experiences of individual men in their solitude, so far as they apprehend themselves to stand in relation to whatever they may consider the divine.Since the relation may be either moral, physical, or ritual, it is evident that out of religion in the sense in which we take it, theologies, philosophies, and ecclesiastical organizations may secondarily grow.”
    Lecture II, “Circumscription of the Topic”

    Like any other function of the human psyche, there can be disorder. In religion, that disorder takes the form of zealotry. And like any other disorder, it causes pain and sometimes violence both spiritual and physical.

  • Evangelina Vigilantee

    I get so sickened by many claiming to be Christians and using that as an ‘excuse’ platform to usher in such falsehoods. Obviously all she said is false. No Christian would say that, that is just plain obvious! I’m not going to argue with the tree stumps who don’t get that…

  • Evangelina Vigilantee

    Well I did have to get involved in this after all. Unless she repents she will be in hell. That much is also obvious. And by the way, yes, Jesus Himself quoted the bible and He loved that, it is God’s Word and He was loyal to it always and fulfilled it. That lady doesn’t know Jesus at all! She’s just wrong ‘all the way a-round’!