‘Memphis Exalts Jesus’: Thousands Gather for Counter Event to Atheist Convention

MemphisMEMPHIS, Tenn. — Thousands of Christians gathered in Memphis, Tennessee last weekend to lift up the name of Jesus during an event that served as a response to an atheist convention in their city.

The New Jersey-based group American Atheists held their four-day national convention in Memphis April 2-5. Spokeswoman Danielle Muscato explained to reporters that the organization makes the city selection based on locations that the group considers to be under “religious suppression.”

“The idea is that people assume that everybody in Memphis is a Christian. But, there are a lot of atheists here and these atheists feel oppressed by the Christian majority,” added President David Silverman to MyFox Memphis.

Speakers at the event included Lucien Greaves of the New York-based Satanic Temple and Muslim critic Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and a showing of the film “God’s Not Dead” was presented with live mockery from comedians Trace Beaulieu and Frank Conniff. Atheist “activist training” sessions were held as well, with a number of workshops for attendees.

While atheists from across the country converged on the Peabody Hotel, approximately 4,000 Christians gathered together at AutoZone Park for four hours of praise and worship, Scripture reading, prayer and pre-recorded testimonies.

“There has never been an event like it in the city,” Jan Winterburn, one of the event facilitators, told Charisma News. “It was incredible. We all entered into to worship and prayer—whether the choirs or speakers were African-American, Caucasian, Hispanic, Asian or born again Jews.”

Christians outside of Memphis attended as well, and some were international visitors from Korea, Japan, Uganda, Switzerland, Sweden, Columbia, Spain, England and China.

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“This was about the Lord Jesus being exalted and the members of His body coming together under His Headship,” Winterburn said.

The idea for the event came about as two men who did not know each other began to pray and ask God what they should do in response to the atheist convention. Through mutual friends, both of them came to meet each other and realized that they had similar ideas. Others soon joined in to help organize the event, which became known as “Memphis Exalts Jesus.”

“We believe that though our nation’s foundations have eroded, the word of God is being recast, and the Lord is being rejected and replaced by paganism and evil doing—there still can be one last great awakening—one that restores the Lord to His rightful place and sweeps multitudes into the kingdom of God,” one organizer told reports.

But an event invitation letter says that the group had “no desire” to “confront atheists,” that is, to witness to attendees outside of the American Atheists convention. Rather, the two groups remained separated—one at the Peabody Hotel and another at Autozone Park—as one group discussed atheist activism and the other sang songs about Jesus. Fox13 Memphis noted that they didn’t see any Christians around the hotel while the event was underway.

“Our hope and deep desire is that there will be a great move of the Holy Spirit that utterly transforms the Church and our community and brings many souls to the Lord Jesus,” the invitation letter stated.


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  • Jefferson_Lebowski

    Atheists are what….less than 1% of the population? Insecure much…..Christians?

    • dice1984

      How about you go do something productive with your life instead of raining on someone else’s parade. Christians are attacked enough for their faith, THEY ARE being murdered all over the world. Please tell me where atheists are dying for their non faith, I’m waiting….

      • Divine Insurrection

        No doubt. I’d like to hear the answer to this one myself.

      • Brian Waters

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists

        Much of that discrimination comes in the form of executions for blasphemy and apostasy.

      • Rebus Caneebus

        How about you go do something productive with your life instead of raining on someone else’s parade.

        Isn’t that what the Christians are doing towards atheists in this story?

        • Covered California

          That was my first thought.

        • Joe

          Ummm NO. The atheist event is specifically created to ‘rain’ on christianity. Why would anyone have an event to proclaim that they don’t believe in something???

          • Rebus Caneebus

            The atheist event is specifically created to ‘rain’ on christianity.

            No, it wasn’t. It was a gathering of atheists.

            Why would anyone have an event to proclaim that they don’t believe in something???

            You can remain ignorant, or you could check out, say, atheists.org and click on “about us” and maybe learn something.

          • Covered California

            Funny how the author wrote “Muslim critic” as a critic (of something I guess lol) that happens to be Muslim instead of a critic of Islam. nice ambiguous wording to hype up the readers.

      • http://googlelove.org/ MizKrys

        They are dying only when they kill each other. Yes, the Christians are being jailed, tortured, murdered for believing in the truth. Even if someone tries and answer this, u know it will be their twisted way of believing.. we can only pray for them but God knows the heart of all and that is why He turned them over to the depraved mind because their hearts desires the lusts of the flesh… but some of them may actually stil come to the Lord, so we can still pray for them.. God Bless

        • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

          Amen !

      • Bill

        in same places christians are.

      • Jefferson_Lebowski

        Atheists are in fact dying for their justified criticisms of belief. Indeed in the larger religious world Atheists must keep their mouths shut or pay the consequences in lost family ties, lost friends and just general persecution at the hands of the “righteous” which has been going on since humans invented religious servitude. And criticizing/speaking truth to power (and religion has ALL the power) is a noble cause so….no….I won’t ever stop.

    • bowie1

      One is too many to at least make them aware of their Creator. We love you too much to just not share what we have.

  • FoJC_Forever

    Just keep preaching the Word of God, regardless of the political or social climates. The railings of those who reject the Truth only work to condemn those who embrace the Father of Lies. There is nothing they can do to stop those of us who are being saved, from being saved from our sin.

    Engaging in ongoing conversation and dialogue isn’t necessary. They will smirk in their ignorant pride and continue to traverse the wide way to Destruction. Those who are not fooled by the Father of Lies will heed the Word of God as it’s being faithfully preached by all who love and know Jesus.

    • Bill

      atheism is raising across the world. so your that one that’s losing.

      • The Last Trump

        ?
        Translation?

        • Bill

          more and more peoplel are identifying as atheist or at least agnostic.

          • Joe

            And more and more people are coming to Christ…so what’s your point?

          • Bill

            actually less people are converting to christianity. your religion is dying

          • Joe

            Wrong bill. And by the way, christianity is not a religion. It is a direct relationship.

          • Bill

            it’s a religion. and the state don’t lie. the number of people that identify as christan is dropping while the number of people that identify as atheist is rising

          • Joe

            The state don’t lie..that’s a laugh…in case you haven’t noticed the WORLD is a big place..you can refer to whatever ‘state’ you’re talking about..I was referring to GLOBALLY.

          • Bill

            I meant stats as in statistics

          • Joe

            Ok..well your stats, whatever they may be, are skewed. While atheism may be on the rise, there are many coming to Christ as well. So again, what is your point?

          • Bill

            the numbers, look them up.

          • Joe

            huh?? Again, what is your point??

          • Bill

            http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/10/25/congratulations-atheists-america-is-growing-increasingly-churchless/

            and there are similar numbers in other first world countries the only places were religion is raising are in uneducated third world nations.

          • Jim

            Calling it a relationship is a dishonest attempt to define it as not a religion.

      • Sandy Buchanan

        There is no winning FoJc_Forever. Believers know they have the victory in the End. If you and others want to not believe, that is your will. God gave us free will. See FoJc, God created all of us, loves all of us AND not all of us are His children. Those who receive Jesus as their Lord and Savior and are Born Again have that honorable title. The End is coming and He wants all of us….but, someone else wants us also…satan. He’s working on overtime because he knows his time is almost up. See, Christians know, or should know, that we are not fighting with one another (the flesh)….we are in Spiritual warfare. You can’t see God, or His angels. God is Spirit. John 3:16 says, “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, for those who believe will not perish but have life everlasting.” Jesus died as our sin and for our sin…he shed his blood so that we could be forgiven. God doesn’t want us to perish (eternal hell) but live in eternity with Him (Heaven). FoJc, I do hope you reconsider. Have a nice day. Jesus loves you.

        • Bill

          do you really thin that insane drivel is going to convince any rational person that you’re right?

    • AL Heath

      Huh? Guess I don’t speak delusion. Enjoy your “victory”.

  • FoJC_Forever

    I would like to know the name of the person in Memphis who actually thinks everyone in Memphis is a Christian. I am certain only a liar would speak such a thing… thus David Silverman uttered it.

    • bowie1

      David Silverman acknowledged that not everyone in Memphis is a Christian, according to this article.

  • Dream Theater Moment of Reason

    I remember singing this in church. Maybe it applies somewhere related to this article:

    Soldiers of Christ, arise,
    And put your armor on,
    Strong in the strength which God supplies
    Through His eternal Son.
    Strong in the Lord of hosts,
    And in His mighty pow’r,
    Who in the strength of Jesus trusts
    Is more than conqueror.

    Stand then in His great might,
    With all His strength endued,
    And take, to arm you for the fight,
    The panoply of God;
    That, having all things done,
    And all your conflicts passed,
    Ye may o’ercome through Christ alone,
    And stand entire at last.

    Leave no unguarded place,
    No weakness of the soul,
    Take every virtue, every grace,
    And fortify the whole.
    From strength to strength go on,
    Wrestle and fight and pray,
    Tread all the pow’rs of darkness down
    And win the well-fought day.

  • GeniusPhx

    People become non religious or non believers because they don’t assume any science that disproves the Bible is a lie. They can look at archaeological discoveries that disprove biblical stories and not assume the devil planted them there. They have the strength to call a spade a spade, even when it hurts. When the evidence changes the mind must also change with the facts. To say all texts, bones, fossils, genetic studies, etc are lies just because the bible doesn’t back them up; makes christians seem out of touch with science and society. It is responsible for the shrinking of church goers and believers.

    In 13 states there are more non religious than religious, in 19 more nones are a close second according to Pew and others who study these things. 30% of those under 30 are non believers/not religious. 25% of those under 25 are atheists. 22% of Americans practice no religion. 38% of christians have never stepped inside a church. Only 27% believe the Bible is the word of god. 66% of Americans believe in a strict separation of church and state.

    Our country was founded for trade. Those seeking religious freedom, made theocracies out of 9 colonies and took the religious freedom from millions of ppl including native Indians. They murdered thousands for not believing in their god.

    These are all facts from objective sources and can be checked, not lies.

    • Louise Kelly

      Please cite the archaeological discoveries that have disproved Biblical stories as from what I have researched there actually are more that prove than disprove.

      • Paul Hiett

        First, we know Noah’s flood didn’t happen, because the geological and archeological evidence support the fact that the world has never been flooded during our existence.

        Second, we also know from the same sciences that Exodus never occurred, since Egypt did not have Jewish slaves.

        There ya go.

        • The Last Trump

          Please cite several examples of scientists who have irrefutable evidence that proved that “Noah’s flood didn’t happen”.
          As well as your ridiculous claim that Jews were never slaves in Egypt.
          Thank you.

          • Bill
          • MisterPine
          • The Last Trump

            Gee that’s funny…

            https://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=cite&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4SAVB_enCA631CA631&q=cite&gs_l=hp…0l5.0.0.0.908………..0.HXAh5MczJEE&gws_rd=ssl#q=evidence+for+The+Flood
            (Google search on “evidence for The Flood”- too MANY to link to!)

            http://www.jewishjournal.com/passover/article/passover_proof_lies_in_egyptian_hieroglyphs_20100324/
            (“Passover proof in Egyptian hieroglyphs”)

            http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm
            (“Evidence of the Exodus From Egypt”)

            http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/13517/proof-biblical-exodus/#gyug65Yt7c70xMPx.97
            (“Proof For the Biblical Exodus”)

            Not as irrefutable as some would have us believe! As usual.
            In fact, for as many “researchers” who claim that these events did NOT happen, there are as many who claim that they DID.
            And we could go back and forth with links and counter-links all day.
            As always, check out the evidence for yourselves and make up your own mind. After looking at the evidence from BOTH sides.
            Really, there shouldn’t be ANY evidence to support these events had they NOT occurred, now should there?
            So why is there…….?
            Again, a simple google search will tell the story.
            Don’t let the misinformed and the ignorant try to tell you otherwise. Find out for yourself.
            And then explain to me why there are fossils from sea life on the peaks of the highest mountains on earth. 🙂

          • Bill

            your links are nothing but pseudo-scientific garbage.

          • The Last Trump

            Ditto.

          • Bill

            my information has real science supporting it.

          • Joe

            Exactly.

          • Frank

            Cause a worldwide flood put them there. We know it wasn’t the tooth fairy.

          • Michael Deaton

            How’s about you offer up some peer reviewed sources, instead of Christian apologetics websites ran by people who may have graduated seminary, but probably not, and have no actual scientific background?

            Sorry, but see in the real world outside of your little cult’s grasps, we have this thing called actual standards of evidence, and that involves peer reviewed citations, and doesn’t involve reading the Bible, and then trying to fit evidence convenient to that point of view into the words of the Bible, and ignoring evidence contrary to your point of view.

            But here’s the reality: The global Noachian flood mythology relies upon Aristotelian and Babylonian conceptions of cosmology that are quantitatively discredited by astronomy, physics, observational evidence from the space program, geology, paleontology and anthropology.

            The Bible describes in Genesis 1-9 an Earth that is formed in a hollow in a universe sized ocean by the Hand of Yahweh. The sky in this cosmology is a dome or vault, holding an ocean of water above back from an ocean of water below, with doors in this vault through which the flood waters for the Noachian flood fall.

            This does not conform to any of the evidence or cosmology that we understand in the modern world, and we know for a fact the sky is not a dome or vault holding back an ocean of water.

            Since you’re certain to cry I’m just “Reading the Bible wrong” at this point, here is your citation:

            The Beginning

            1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

            3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God calledthe light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

            6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.”And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

            9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

            Further, the order of this creation narrative is incorrect. It has light and the Earth being formed before stars, plants before stars, which means plants before light and the stars as well.

            This is completely backwards. Planets are formed in the accretion discs of stars, therefore stars must exist before planets can exist. Further, plants photosynthesize light for energy, which means light must exist before plants, which means stars must exist before plants.

            Your mythology is quantitatively discredited from page 1 line 1 by science, which is why you must deny science in order to continue holding your discredited beliefs, which is also why your mythology is slowly being choked to death by reality.

          • Joe

            So you say “The global Noachian flood mythology relies upon Aristotelian and Babylonian conceptions of cosmology that are quantitatively discredited by astronomy, physics, observational evidence from the space program, geology, paleontology and anthropology. …….in an above post you suggested that I should “sign up for an Introduction to Aristotelian Logic 101 class, so you can disabuse yourself of this criminally illogical and irrational mindset your child abusing mythology has embedded in you since the time you could walk”. So is Aristotle right or wrong??? Can’t have it both ways…You my friend are the living example of contradicting oneself. You’re like a dog chasing his own tail.

          • Michael Deaton

            So basically, what you’re saying is that you can’t discern between Aristotelian syllogistic logic, which is named that because Aristotle founded it, and it has undergone 3000 plus years of rigorous examination and improvement through the process of philosophical and scientific inquiry, and Aristotle’s presumptions about cosmology, which have been quantitatively disproven by science?

            I mean you realize people can be right about one thing, wrong about another, and that nomenclature is descriptive, not prescriptive, correct? Another term for Aristotelian logic is simply syllogistic logic. Had I used that term, instead, your entire strawgrasping attempt at a rebuttal would have stopped before it even started.

            Basically, petty nitpicking isn’t a rebuttal. Its a pathetic attempt to try and demonstrate a contradiction that doesn’t exist.

            My suggestion is to grow up, and stop being a pedantic twit, but well, you are a theist, so that’s never going to happen.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            Talking about growing up. You can’t be right all the time, either. Do you think you’re God. Oh no, I forget. You don’t believe in Him. You sound pathetic trying to prove that you are so above all of us that we shouldn’t even presume to offer our opinions. But as they say, and this includes you, opinions are like A_ _holes. Everyone has one. God bless you in all your brilliancy.

          • Michael Deaton

            I can be right all the time when I’m talking about mythology, and the sciences.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            So, where’s your proof that you evolved from a monkey? And why aren’t monkeys still evolving today and producing idiots like you. I can sit at a zoo for years and never see a monkey evolve. So do astronomy, physics, observational evidence from the space program, geology, etc. prove that you evolved from an ape? And, if so, where did the first ape come from? Did he appear from thin air; oh no, let me guess he came with the big bang theory. How do you account for the seasons, for trees that die in winter and come to life in Spring. How about the beautiful butterflies that come from a caterpillar. From blossoms fruit comes. Come on, Einstein, tell us about these phenomenal ocurrances and how, year after year, they die and come back to life.

          • Michael Deaton

            We didn’t evolve from a monkey. We share a common ancestor, and the evidence for that is the fusion of human chromosome 2 from hominid chromosomes 12 and 13, along with mitochondrial dna, y chromosome dna, SNP comparative analyses, fossil remains, etc.

            Try reading a book, or using google sometime.

          • Gehennah

            Humans did not evolve from a monkey. We have a common ancestor with modern apes, which have a common ancestor with modern monkeys. We still do see evolution today though.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            Where do we see evolution today? You may have a common ancestor with modern apes, I don’t. I descended from Adam and Eve. Jesus loves you. God bless you

          • Gehennah

            See my other post where i went a bit more into detail about evolution.

          • Michael

            Your sources are dishonest and slanted; trying to prove their beliefs. You have a low standard of evidence.

          • The Last Trump

            Google search? Dishonest and slanted? 🙂
            Ok there, bud.
            That’s what I thought. Just don’t want to hear it.

          • Michael

            don’t believe everything you read. Such as ancient superstitious textual hearsay.

          • davewarnock

            So, you want to cling to this Flood story:

            God created man to have fellowship with- but after a few hundred years, they became so wicked that the only thing he could think of to do (this omnipotent, omniscient God), was to drown every single living creature and start all over. (after Noah got drunk and exposed himself to his children- ya picked a winner there, Yahweh!)

            ummm, ok. We’ll go with that story.

            Good job, God! Things have sure been better in the world since you drowned all those wicked people!

          • KenS

            “Jews lie. How many modern examples do you need? Six million dead in a Holocaust that never happened? People all over the world paying reparations for crimes they didn’t commit and being thrown in jail when they ask for proof of these crimes. A Jewish company producing poison food and a Jewish government forcing people to eat it. Jews murdering thousands of unarmed peasants and calling it self defense, triggering wars all over the world through covert manipulation of governments it has bought.” Quoted from your darkmoon link above.

            You lose all credibility when you include a link that has the above quote in it. Do you really believe that the holocaust did not happen and the jews lied about

          • MisterPine

            Clearly that was a link that Google found that supported the basic premise but took it in a bad direction. That was an erroneous cut-and-paste, the wrong link was chosen in error. My mistake. I will try to locate the one I intended and fix the original.

          • Todd Allen Bowers

            you are the one making the positive assertion (Noah’s flood happened or the Exodus happened)…it is up to you to provide the evidence not the other way around. If you claim bigfoot exists then it is not up to the skeptic to prove you wrong. No extraordinary evidence to back up an extraordinary claim = no reason to believe the claim.

          • The Last Trump

            “No extraordinary evidence to back up an extraordinary claim = no reason to believe the claim.”
            Who says there is NO extraordinary evidence?
            Oh yeah. You numbskulls. Sucks to be you.
            I’ve come across tonnes of overwhelming evidence. I’m convinced.
            Do your own research. If you care. Or don’t. Stay ignorant.

          • Todd Allen Bowers

            I say there is no extraordinary evidence and so do most scientists. If evidence existed I would have found it by now. I’ve researched and educated (two science degrees) myself on many sides of the issue and creationists (or intelligent design) just don’t make a compelling argument. First off you should probably understand what evidence is. If you have irrefutable, demonstrable or repeatable evidence (or even an ounce of the tonnes of overwhelming evidence) showing that a global flood (or mythical claim of your choice) occurred, then please submit it to a reputable peer-reviewed science journal and await your Nobel Prize. Believe me, scientists love proving other scientists wrong. Meanwhile, keep digging. Lastly, insults don’t really add much to your argument either; in fact it makes it seem like you don’t have much else to offer. Then again you might be trolling me. Peace!

          • Parque_Hundido

            “Who says there is NO extraordinary evidence?”

            Trumpy, one of the advantages of a secular education is that we are not impressed by the dime store magic tricks of your TV preachers. And we are unswayed by the primitive superstitions upon which your little religion is based.

            These are among the reasons that good, rational people do not want your kind to have any access to our children.

          • Michael

            Genius, you need to PROVE that the flood happened. We don’t need to disprove a claim that hasn’t been proven.

            And there is NO archeological evidence for the Exodus.

          • The Last Trump

            AS usual. Long on wild claims.
            Short on hard evidence.
            But how you do love the sound of your own voices! 🙂

          • Michael

            We’re not speaking, we’re typing. No sound.

            The person who believes, sight unseen, in angels and demons is the one short on evidence. And sanity.

          • Gehennah

            The human genome project by itself debunks Noah’s flood because such a flood would have decimated the human population reducing the genetic diversity to a point where we would have one hell of a genetic bottleneck today (as well as all of the animals on earth).

            The human species does have a genetic bottleneck, but it is not nearly as bad as what would be expected. Hell the cheetah has a severe genetic bottleneck today, and it didn’t happen due to them being reduced to a single breeding pair.

        • Joe

          Good grief. Wrong on both counts. There is PLENTY of evidence of a worldwide flood. And yes, Egypt did have Jewish slaves.

          • MisterPine

            Nope. No evidence.

          • Jim

            Joe, if you can prove there was a world wide flood at any time in the earth’s past then please write a peer reviewed paper and collect your Nobel Prize in Geology. Till then, it didn’t happen.

          • Taussig

            too funny

      • GeniusPhx

        if you actually believe that, no one can change your mind. this documentary actually tried to prove the bible with actual finds, but found just the opposite. The flood story was based on a real story, Noah, a barge carrying beer, goats, and sheep, but was blown up over time.

        http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/bibles-buried-secrets.html

      • Michael Deaton

        Let’s start with the complete failure of archaeology to confirm any of the narrative of the Exodus. Egypt in the time period of 1200-800 BCE could not support more than 3 million people. That’s a fact of agriculture and demographics.

        Yet the Bible claims 600,000 males marched out of Pharoah’s lands, which means we can assume another 600k females, and a nearly equal number of children, marched out with them. Which means close to 2 million Jews would have had to have been enslaved….in a land that can barely support 3 million people at that time.

        Then there’s the complete lack of evidence for the mass migration out into the Sinai peninsula itself. Not a single shred of evidence for that claim.

        The work of Jewish archaeologists out of Tel Aviv University have also demonstrated that the invasion of Canaan never happened, and that the populations of Jews who founded the nation of Israel came from the Eastern Hilllands of the region, and not from the South West from Egypt.

        Further, archaeological evidence demonstrates that the city of Nazareth, as it is understood to exist today, did not exist in the 1st century CE, and was in fact a graveyard. If you’ve read your Bible, as you should have, you’d know that it was against Jewish law to have houses on tops of graves, which means Nazareth couldn’t have been a city in the 1st century CE, since the entire area has already been demonstrated to be a graveyard.

        So there you go. There’s three archaeological facts that discredit the primary narratives of the Bible.

      • Michael

        Genesis is a myth. Evolution proves that. Without Genesis, there is no Fall, and no need for Redemption. Hence no need for Jesus.

        The Exodus didn’t happen. Archeology has no evidence of it. So no Moses on Sinai, and no Ten Commandments.

        Religion is a house of cards.

        • Jackie Gallegos

          Back to evolution. How can you prove that you evolved from an ape. For me, I believe I came from Adam and Eve. But to each his own. Why are they not still evolving? And, if so, where did the first ape come from? Did he just appear out of thin air, or no, let me guess, he came with the big bang theory. Did these apes that dropped out of the sky come in different races? Mexican, Chinese, Japanese, English, French, Indian, etc. Or how do you explain this? It’s just as unbelievable to me that mankind evolved from apes. As for me, I KNOW DEFINITELY, God exists. Jesus lives in me and I in Him. I feel Him in my heart. His incredible love, His charity, His mercy. I feel sorry for you that you are so being “smart” that you don’t give yourself a chance to feel this unbelievable love. God bless you.

    • Joe

      “They murdered thousands for not believing in their god”….huh??where do you come up with this stuff?? All of your so called ‘facts’ are a joke. Good grief. You people think that if you repeat lies constantly it will eventually become truth.

      • GeniusPhx

        or maybe you should open your mind and look it up? from the Smithsonian: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/americas-true-history-of-religious-tolerance-61312684/?no-ist

        “The Spanish had other ideas. In 1565, they established a forward operating base at St. Augustine and proceeded to wipe out the Fort Caroline colony. The Spanish commander, Pedro Menéndez de Avilés, wrote to the Spanish King Philip II that he had “hanged all those we had found in [Fort Caroline] because…they were scattering the odious Lutheran doctrine in these Provinces.” When hundreds of survivors of a shipwrecked French fleet washed up on the beaches of Florida, they were put to the sword, beside a river the Spanish called Matanzas (“slaughters”). In other words, the first encounter between European Christians in America ended in a blood bath.”

      • GeniusPhx

        more from that page: “From the earliest arrival of Europeans on America’s shores, religion has often been a cudgel, used to discriminate, suppress and even kill the foreign, the “heretic” and the “unbeliever”—including the “heathen” natives already here. Moreover, while it is true that the vast majority of early-generation Americans were Christian, the pitched battles between various Protestant sects and, more explosively, between Protestants and Catholics, present an unavoidable contradiction to the widely held notion that America is a “Christian nation.”

      • Sandy Buchanan

        Joe, the father of lies (satan) is working on overtime! Just pray for them and move on. Above I quoted John 3:16. God said that in the end, man will be calling good, evil and evil, good. They love their sin too much to repent. 2 Chronicles 7:14 says, if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. God bless.

        • Michael Deaton

          This is what we call serious straw grasping.

          To assume everyone is working for the antagonist of your mythical fairy tales when they are pointing out facts of reality to you is a sign only of your own desperate need to ignore reality by slandering others.

        • Todd Allen Bowers

          this is just the long version of putting your hands over your ears.

    • Jackie Gallegos

      And science is of course, is correct in all things. I don’t think they have ever proven to all of us that mankind evolved from apes. Not to me anyway. My descendants are Adam and Eve, not king kong. You may have evolved from an ape, but I didn’t. I feel sorry for you that you have to prove you are so learned that you question everything and everyone in the Bible. Who died and made you king?
      I will pray for you and all the rest of misguided souls who have to go to such lengths to prove they are above God.

  • http://googlelove.org/ MizKrys

    This is awesome! keep preaching the Word and praying… Imagine how many demons were destroyed through the prayers of those 4,000 Christians on that day…. wowzersssssssssssss Awesome God we have! Thank You Lord for the brothers and sisters in Christ for doing the work You have given them… We all should be inspired to do this.. Share the Word with as many as we can…God Bless.. this is amazing..

    • Bill

      this is idiotic. it’s just a bunch on insecure cultist trying to stave off the inevitable death of their religion.

  • natalien555

    Where are the pictures and videos? Praise God Almighty everyday!!!!

  • natalien555

    My people perish from lack of knowledge Hosea 4:6

  • Carey C

    I am just cuious if what is said by Fox13 Memphis was an actual quote from someone to you, the writer of this article or just some weird assumption.

  • railhead

    Mixed feelings about this. First of all, who cares about atheists. They may be vocal on the internet, but go soul winning some time and you’ll find very few atheists. You will find HUNDREDS of people professing to be “Christian” who are lost and on their way to hell. You ask if they know for sure they will go to heaven when they die and they say “I think so, I live a pretty good life” …overwhelmingly. Betraying the fact that they are trusting in themselves and their own works to save them, not the blood of Jesus Christ. They go to the mega-church down the street or to Catholic Mass, and think it’s all about how they live that saves them. They do not believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, they believe in their own works plus Jesus.

    And secondly, for what purpose? I can tell you what God wants us to do about the atheists, give them the gospel and try to get them saved. I don’t have to pray about it he told me in the Bible:

    Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature

    Luk 14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

    It just baffles me, no one goes out and preaches to the lost any more, and no church tells people that’s what they need to be doing.

    • Frank

      While my church doesn’t knock on doors, our permanant theme is running to win and winning is winning people to Jesus Christ.

      Reaching out to the lost in everyway.

      • railhead

        That’s good, I hope it’s working at getting people saved.

        My main thing was, is it’s God’s way? I come online and end up getting tangled up in fleshly arguments more than anything. I have a website I created that presents the gospel. I’ve left tracts in various places. But none of these methods are mentioned in the Bible. Going house to house and two by two is mentioned, and Jesus always evangelized one on one, person to person- like the woman at Sychar’s well, and Nicodemus. It’s the one method I’ve tried where people have actually been saved, and virtually no church does it any more. To me it just shows that it’s the right way, because we are in a very lukewarm state of Christianity in America.

        I wish I could be doing it right now!

  • Covered California

    Is this really necessary? To feel the need to “counter” another group’s event just because they have different views? The whole thing was immature and has a “well we’ll show them!” vibe. And then you and charisma boast about it online?

    • The Insidious Faithslayer

      You’re trying to reason with religious people.

      If you could reason with religious people, there wouldn’t be any religious people.

  • Paul Hiett

    Let’s see if I get this straight…Christians scream left and right that they are the one’s being persecuted, but yet this event was a retaliation against atheists for hosting their event, an event that had nothing to do with Christianity?

    Really?

    • Joe

      Are you really that ignorant to believe that the atheist event had nothing to do with christianity?? The whole event is based on not believing in Jesus and God. The event is not about Santa or the Easter bunny..it is a direct attack on christianity. You can’t be THAT stupid..

      • Bill

        atheist don’t believe in any gods so if this is an attack on christianity then it’s also an attack on mulism, hindus ect

        • Joe

          No. It isn’t. And you know it. It has everything to do with attacking christianity. Mainly because Christ is the truth. Think about it.

          • Bill

            thought about it and your still wrong. atheist don’t believe any gos or any religion and you have no proof that these events has anything to do with your religion in fact it shows just how arrogant christian are that you think that everything has something to do with you.

          • Covered California

            I agree. I think they just wanted an event where they could talk freely about whatever without being thrown a few bible verses every 3 minutes. And seriously, the whole retaliation aspect of it shows how insecure and childish they really are.

          • Covered California

            Is your skull really that thick? Atheists don’t believe in ANY god, not just yours. Stop pretending like you’re being persecuted..it’s not helping your cause.

          • Joe

            I don’t have a cause and while I agree that atheists don’t believe in any god, the bottom line is all of their efforts are designed to attack and disprove christianity specifically…And while you can hide behind your bs I truly believe deep down you know that to be true. Anyone with a half of a brain can figure that out. It’s painfully obvious. So save your little boy logic for another day.

          • uzza

            all of their efforts are designed to attack and disprove christianity specifically
            So when I spent two years blogging line by line through the Quran, it was to attack and disprove christianity specifically. News to me–or maybe you’re just not as important as you think.

          • Joe

            I guess you are going to still be childish. Sigh…Umm, last I checked this is about an atheist event that took place, not about you and what you’ve done for two years. So I guess you’re not as important as YOU think……hahahaha. How do you set yourself up so easily for that???? You people are way too easy to debate with.

          • uzza

            Clever. This, though, is about you untruthfully saying that all atheists efforts are something that they are obviously not. Or as you would put it, breaking the 9th commandment.
            You made a claim, I gave an example that disproves it.
            In your first sentence you misspelled “Sorry, I was wrong.”

          • Joe

            I never said “all atheists efforts”. So don’t add to my words to try to prove your point. So in reality you didn’t disprove anything. I think it was obvious I was referring to atheists efforts such as the ones in discussion.

          • uzza

            1. the bottom line is all of their efforts are designed to attack and disprove christianity specifically
            2. I never said “all atheists efforts”
            The prosecution rests.

            Verdict? Guilty of violating the 9th commandment. tsk tsk

          • Joe

            You obviously would never make it as a lawyer. There is a big difference between ‘all of their efforts'(atheists in discussion) and ‘all atheists efforts'(which would mean every atheist) efforts’….Verdict? I move for an immediate disbarment and a revocation of your license to practice law.. You really are too easy to debate with.. Checkmate!

          • Rebus Caneebus

            Checkmate!

            Debating clueless Christians on the topic of atheism is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.

          • Joe

            Rrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggghhhttt..Not sure what you are talking about. I proved you wrong. Again..you tried to twist my words..again. And I explained to you eloquently what I actually meant. Again….Actuality, it seems like you’re the one knocking those pieces over!

          • Rebus Caneebus

            Not sure what you are talking about.

            For one thing, your clueless statement on how the atheist convention was against Christianity, when the keynote speaker was a well-known critic of Islam.

          • Joe

            That is so old….and completely ignorant and irrelevant to this conversation. if you can actually muster of something halfway intellectual, speak your mind. If not, have a good nights sleep.

          • Michael Deaton

            Intellectualism tends to escape theists, since they fail so stunningly at the fundamentals of logic.

            How’s about you provide some valid evidence for your necessarily existing universe generating imaginary friend?

          • davewarnock

            “if you can actually muster of something halfway intellectual”
            wow, that sentence says it all right there.

          • Rebus Caneebus

            That is so old.

            I agree, old things like the bible are worthless.

          • Taussig

            Loving this!!!

          • Rebus Caneebus

            I actually have to credit this review for a Creationist book on amazon for pigeon chess; it’s been re-phrased for other similar things:

            http://www.amazon.com/review/R2367M3BJ05M82

          • uzza

            You’d never make it as a chess player either.
            The anaphor their is bound to its antecedent in the preceding clause, I agree that atheists don’t believe in any god,, which as it lacks any limiting quantifier is an indefinite reference to the class of “all atheists”, the exact target of the pronoun in (2). The clauses in (1) and (2) are co-referring.

            Fail for lying, fail for trying to weasel out of it, fail for trying to debate grammar with a linguist, and fail for being an intolerant religious fanatic. I’m bored with this, thanks for playing.

          • Joe

            so much for not name calling….yaaaaaawn. The first and last sign of losing the debate.. I am lying and intolerant. Ooooooook! Have a pleasant evening.

          • UmustBKiddinMe

            ” ‘all of their efforts'(atheists in discussion) and ‘all atheists efforts'(which would mean every atheist) ”

            How are the “atheists in discussion” different from “every atheist”?

          • Michael Deaton

            There’s nothing more childish than believing in invisible sky wizards without evidence.

            Its Santa Claus for adults who refuse to grow up.

          • Cthulhu21

            And believing he has something to prove meeting the “challenge”.

          • Covered California

            I disagree. I think you’re just an old paranoid man.

          • Joe

            Actually I am pretty young. It is a shame that you have to resort to insults and name calling when your logic doesn’t stand. That is always the first and last sign of losing a debate or argument.

          • Covered California

            Assuming their convention is simply to bash Christians is a bit farfetched.

          • Joe

            It is not ‘simply’ to bash christians. It is a lot more than that. They have a much deeper agenda and a hatred for Christ and God himself. Why else would they go through some much trouble over a God they don’t even believe exists??

          • Michael Deaton

            No one hates your imaginary friend.

            We hate that you vote based on your absolute belief that he exists and talks to you, and that’s mostly because you force that crap on your children, which is child abuse.

            Get off your cross and down off your soapbox, coward.

          • Joe

            Yaaaaaaawn…name calling. The first and last sign of losing a debate. Shameful.

          • Michael Deaton

            Nah, its just the excuse you need to run away like the cowardly theist you are.

          • http://selfrighteousindignation.wordpress.com/ IncredulousMark

            You obviously don’t know who Ayaan Hirsi Ali is if you think she is targeting Christians.

          • Michael Deaton

            The arguments against your miserable sky tyrant work against every conception of miserable sky tyrants.

            Because all the arguments for miserable sky tyrants are founded on the same unjustified nonsense beliefs.

            Your imaginary friend is not special.

          • uzza

            Not believing something is a direct attack on it?

          • Joe

            Don’t be childish uzza. Not believing something is one thing, but having events such as these, putting up billboards, signs on buses, raising money, etc.etc. etc. Is something entirely different. How else would you explain spending so much time, money, and effort on something that they DON’T even believe in??? Come on, you know exactly what it is. A direct attack on christianity. You would have to be a fool not to see it.

          • uzza

            Well. If what you say is true, christians putting up billboards, signs on buses, raising money etc etc etc is a direct attack on atheists. So this event is self defense.
            Why not just stop attacking them?

          • Joe

            Really uzza??? I mean, really??? That boyhood logic is absurd..and you know it. So.seriously, let me ask you..do you think these atheist events are not attacking christianity specifically?? Let’s not argue. Answer me honestly.

          • uzza

            To answer your question–yes. I do not think this event is attacking christianity.
            Your turn: Do you think christians putting up billboards is attacking atheists?

          • Joe

            No. I do not think Christians putting up billboards is attacking atheists. That is just silly..I won’t even bother asking if you think so…Now I see you are still sticking to your stance that these atheists are not attacking christianity, so explain why they’re spending so much time, money, and effort on something that they DON’T even believe in?? Why do they have so much hate for a God they don’t even believe exists? Bizarre, to say the least. Don’t you think?

          • uzza

            Fair’s fair–one for one. I’ll answer your question here, and while I’m typing, here’s yours:
            Why is it that
            christian putting up billboards =/= attacking atheists
            atheists putting up billboards does = attacking christians
            ?

          • Joe

            fair question.when a Christian puts up a billboard, sign or preaches the gospel it is for one reason and one reason only.we are people just like you, we have come to realize the truth and God and Jesus and we want everyone to share in the glory that awaits us in heaven as well as here on earth.That goes for atheists as well.maybe even especially so. I am a sinner just like you, maybe even worse.but God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that WHOEVER believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life. As a Christian, it would be terribly selfish and downright cruel to not want everyone to share in it with us. It’s not about ‘converting’ someone..we don’t get a free toaster oven or cash..it’s about knowing the truth and wanting everyone to know it as well…it really is unbelievably awesome.

          • uzza

            Refreshing–now we’re not calling each other names.
            You didn’t really answer the question though.

            Atheists are people just like you who have come to realize the truth that God and Jesus are a myth: for an atheist it would be selfish to not share that with everyone. For both of you it’s about knowing the truth and wanting everyone else to know it as well. The truth, for a person like myself is something else yet again. Why should not all of us be free to express our opinions without being accused of attacking others?

          • Dennis

            Joe the problem isn’t that atheists are attacking Christians; it is that Christians are no longer in a position to enforce acquiescence in their weird beliefs to those of us who have seen that truth cannot be found in Faith, Authority, Revelation or Tradition.

            Quoting trite passages from the Bible comes across as rather pathetic; will you be threatening people with an eternity in Hell next?

          • Joe

            No. I don’t ‘threaten’ anybody with anything. But since you brought it up, I will ‘warn’ you that without repentance and believing in Jesus that is exactly where you will wind up.

          • uzza

            explain why they’re spending so much time, money, and effort on something that they DON’T even believe in??

            Simple to answer: they aren’t

            Why do they have so much hate for a God they don’t even believe exists?
            Also simple to answer:they don’t.

            Bizarre, to say the least. Don’t you think?
            Yes, it definitely is bizarre for you to think that.

            p.s. by asking them and listening to their answer I learned that their goal is to change laws they feel are discriminatory, such as forbidding them from holding public office.

          • Joe

            While that is a simple answer, it couldn’t be more wrong. While that answer is the standard atheist answer it is total bs..putting up ‘God is a myth’ billboards is hardly a attempt at changing a law. Don’t be so foolish to believe that. Use your head.

          • Taussig

            do atheists oppress you ?

          • Joe

            Me? No. What’s your point?

          • Covered California

            Maybe they want a space where they can freely speak about their own ideas without a bunch of hypocritical “Christians” yelling bible verses at them? It’s a crazy though right. And I’m not even atheist.

          • Joe

            I can almost understand why so many people who don’t believe call christians hypocritical. But always remember, every Christian is a sinner just like everyone who doesn’t believe..so hypocritical really doesn’t apply because people who don’t believe have this idea that christians are supposed to be completely sinless..which is the furthest thing from the truth….so the next time u wnt to calla Christian a hypocrite, go easy on them… If you’re not an atheist, what exactly do you believe, if I may ask?

          • Covered California

            There’s actually a number of christians that claim not to be sinners, check Kerrigan SKelly, john mcglone, Jesse morrell, and team Jesus preachers on YouTube for starters. And being a sinner and acknowledging it is fine. It’s when you want to make laws against everyone due to your (cherry picking) beliefs which is not right.

          • Michael Deaton

            No one is a sinner, because sin does not exist. Sin does not exist because it is defined as a violation of divine law. Divine law does not exist because your imaginary sky pal doesn’t exist to define divine law, therefore sin does not exist.

            That’s what we call a logical structure.

            If you would like to refute this syllogistically sound argument, then by all means, feel free to offer up some evidence that your imaginary friend is anything more than a fantasy of your delusion filled mind.

            Remember, the Bible isn’t evidence for the claims in the Bible, anymore than the Lord of the Rings is evidence for the existence of Hobbits and Ents.

            Good luck!

          • Joe

            No. That is not logical at all. The evidence for creation is all around you. Use common sense for evidence the we were created. Then read the Bible to see who the Creator is. You don’t seriously believe we came from monkeys?? You don’t really believe your ancestors were some fish that crawled out of the ocean?? Or that the enormous complexity of life, the extremely delicate balance of all things in order to sustain life, the earth, the universe, all happened by chance, do you??

          • Michael Deaton

            No, that structure is demonstrably valid syllogistically, meaning it is logical, in the extreme. There is only one logic, and that argument structure fits its syllogistic patterns exactly.

            What isn’t logical is you, having no background in the biological sciences, physics, or astronomy, looking around and going “Gee this seems so complex, why it must have been made by some magic sky man”.

            That’s actually ILLOGICAL, its a demonstrably fallacious argument structure we call the Appeal to Ignorance. Logical fallacies are fallacious because they fail to conform to proper syllogistic formations, unlike my argument above.

            What all this means is you are exactly 180 degrees out of phase incorrect and demonstrating your complete and total lack of capacity for even grasping what the word logic implies.

            At this point my suggestion to you is put down the book of shepherds fairy tales, go down to your local community college, and sign up for an Introduction to Aristotelian Logic 101 class, so you can disabuse yourself of this criminally illogical and irrational mindset your child abusing mythology has embedded in you since the time you could walk.

          • Michael Deaton

            We didn’t come from monkeys, we share a common ancestor with them. Unlike you I have an educational background in physical anthropology, biology and chemistry, with a particular focus in the evolution of human skeletal anatomy.

            What that means is I don’t need blind belief to justify my world views, because I have actual experience, and justified true knowledge to justify my world views.

            Evolution is a fact. Every single chromosome 2 in every single cell of your body attests to that fact, demonstrably, undeniably so. So does the development pattern of your skeletal anatomy.

            Do us the favor of educating yourself before trying to condescend to others in your willful ignorance.

          • Joe

            Here we go..evolution is a fact??? Really?? I don’t think so. While there may be some evidence for micro evolution, there is no evidence of macro evolution. If it were true, there would be millions of fossils showing species slowly changing into another. It is safe to say that your parents were human. Their parents were human. And their parents were also human…and so on….do you really believe that if you go back far enough you will get to a monkey(or whatever this mysterious ‘common ancestor’ is) or go even further back you will get to a fish, or a frog, or a tadpole?? That is beyond laughable. Let’s say there was a catastrophic event that wiped out all living Land creatures and only things that survived were creatures of the ocean…Do you really think that eventually they would evolve to create humans again?? And giraffes?? And lions?? And dogs?? And porcupines?? When you use common sense, the fact that we were created is syllogistic.

          • Michael Deaton

            I mean it really doesn’t matter what you think, because this thing we call reality, within which evolution is a proven phenomena, doesn’t go away just because you stopped believing in it.

            The rest of your post is just a regurgitation of nonsense talking points you picked up from your minister. My suggestion would be to go take an intro to biology class and disabuse yourself of these fantasies, but we all know you’re too lazy to actually do that.

            There is no such thing as macro versus micro evolution. Large evolutionary changes are the end result of compounding small evolutionary changes, in the same way that traveling a long distance down a road is the result of taking many small intermediary steps.

            Also there’s enormous amounts of evidence for evolution at both ends of the spectrum. Your ignorance isn’t an argument, or a rebuttal. Its just you, being ignorant, and pretending to know things you can’t know and don’t know, because that’s what believers in fantasy mythologies written by goatherders do: Make crap up, and then pretend to knowledge they don’t have.

            And again: The fusion of human chromosome 2 from hominid chromomsomes is a fact. Its demonstrably on the genomic level, down to the very molecules where the fusion occurred. Its inarguable, hammer over the head evidence of our common lineal descent from previously extant great ape species.

            My suggestion is to not try to argue these topics with someone with an actual education in them, because all I’m doing right now is laughing at how stale, and copy paste, the theistic responses are to these facts that are completely and totally unbeknownest to them.

            Try googling: Fusion of Human Chromosome 2, click on “Videos” and watch Ken Miller’s dissertation on this evidence at the Kitzmiller v Dover School Board trials in 2005, it will help you realize why you look, sound and act like a complete buffoon when you try to argue topics you have no knowledge of with people with degrees in the relevant fields.

            And its funny you mention giraffes. You might also look into the Vagus Nerve of the Giraffe for elucidation as to your ignorance of why argument from design is such a pathetic, stale, tired, and ignorant fallacy of ignorance.

          • Joe

            And believe me, God doesn’t go away because you don’t believe. I don’t need a minister to give me logic and common sense. What a weak atheistic cop out. You can believe what your professors have brainwashed you into believing. Of course there is a difference between micro & macro evolution. Your analogy of taking steps is irrelevant. Simply because there is no evidence of those ‘steps’ in the form of transitional fossils. Again, if there were, there would be trillions of fossils to prove it, which there are none. Common sense. Look it up.

          • Michael Deaton

            Why would I believe you, when you have absolutely no evidence for anything you claim, and never have, and never will?

            See, LISTEN AND BELIEVE is what YOU DO. Not what I do.

            “. I don’t need a minister to give me logic and common sense. ”

            The fact that you don’t realize common sense doesn’t exist, that its entirely subjective, and the very polar opposite of logic because of that fact, well, speaks volumes to your capacity to be logical.

            “What a weak atheistic cop out”

            What cop out? Facts and evidence, that you simply cannot rebut or address, hence why you have to try and scrabble for nonexistent contradictions to trump up your pathetic world view?

            I mean you can assert till you’re blue in the face “Of course there’s macro and micro evolution” but have you ever TAKEN A COURSE IN EVOLUTIONARY THEORY?

            What is the hardy weinberg equilibrium equation?
            What are SNPs? Alleles? Codons? What are the four nucleotide base pairs in DNA? Which one differs in RNA, and why? Can you tell me what a nucleotide is?

            “There’s no evidence of these steps in the fossils”

            Throw every fossil ever found in a fire. Go ahead. None of them exist, for the purposes of this argument. I’m fine with that.

            We don’t need them.

            We have the DNA evidence. The sequencing of genomes globally goes on, and we can calculate rates of allele frequency change, and rebuild phylogenies from that.

            You’re so out of your league its not even funny. You’re regurgitating Kent Hovind grade nonsense, and literally none of it is even relevant anymore. Chemistry denies you. We don’t even need fossils anymore to prove it.

          • Joe

            Throw fossils in the fire??? I asked you a legitimate question and you say oh just throw it in the fire?? What a joke..Saying “we don’t need fossils anymore to prove it” it exactly the response I expected. I wasn’t asking YOU to prove anything with fossils…I asked where are all the transitional fossils that should be here?? But you gave a typical atheist idiotic respone…Because YOU HAVE NO ANSWER, obviously….Then Saying “Facts and evidence, that you simply cannot rebut or address”..and then saying that I’ve “never taken a course in evolutionary THEORY!”….HELLO!! Are you smart enough to see the contradiction there?? You are waaaaay to easy to debate. Don’t you ever get tired of putting your foot in your mouth?? First Aristotle, now this?? Good grief. At a least you admit it is a THEORY..SO I’m proud of you for that. If atheists like you would stop projecting ‘theories’ and ‘possibilities’ as FACTS, you might be taken seriously. But I am not surprised, you already started your little boy name calling right on cue…..Hahahahahaha…sigh

          • Michael Deaton

            I see my point went right over your head.

            Here let me repeat it for you:

            We don’t need fossils to prove evolution anymore. We have DNA evidence, which is more accurate than morphological examination anyway.

            Now can you tell me what morphological examination means?

          • Joe

            You’re obviously not bright enough to understand that I am asking you a question….Stop trying to avoid it…So I’ll answer yours when you answer mine…or you can just admit that you have no answer.

          • Michael Deaton

            Ah yes, I’m not smart. That’s nice.

            Do you have a biochemistry degree?

            I understand your question. I answered it: Fossil evidence is irrelevant at this point, because the DNA evidence is more accurate, and demonstrates common descent undeniably.

            Transitionary fossils exist in copious amounts. Your inability to simply google “Transitionary fossils” and read is your problem, not mine.

          • Joe

            Saying my question is irrelevant, when it cleary is, is a clear admittance that you have absolutely no answer. Again, I have a degree in common sense. All of your scientific nonsense, like chromosome 2 fusion, which PROOVES absolutely nothing but a ‘possibility’, is the real irrelevancy here.

          • Michael Deaton

            “Saying my question is irrelevant, when it cleary is”

            I agree, your question is completely irrelevant.

            It is founded in your lack of intellectual curiousity, and your stale ignorance inculcated into you by your abusive religious parents.

            The more you cry about how common your sense is, the more I laugh because it really is just so very very common.

            And wrong. But common sense tends to be wrong.

            Maybe try turning Limbaugh off for a week and reading a book instead? Might I suggest “The Bible Unearthed” by the head archaeologist at Tel Aviv University, the man in charge of the Meggido dig, you know, the place the end of the world is supposed to take place in your mythology?

            Yeah. Check it out sometime. You might learn something.

            I mean I doubt it, since you seem incapable of learning anything, but let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

            And yeah, the fusion of chromosome 2 demonstates that we have a common ancestor with other hominids.

            I’d explain to you how and why, but I doubt you know what a diploidy and haploidy number is, or what they signify.

            This is really the problem with your world view. Its so outdated, its so suffused with ignorance wrapped in arrogance, that its almost a waste of time engaging you.

            Yet I do it anyway. Mostly because I actually do care about the truth, and think its worth educating the public on these issues.

            Its sorta our responsibility as actual scientists to help try to make this work understandable in the mass public, in my opinion.

          • Michael Deaton

            “All your scientific nonsense”

            You mean like the scientific nonsense that allows you to drive a car, fly in an airplane, and type your anti scientific theistic nonsense on the internet that was invented by a gay scientists, and on computers that were invented by another gay scientist?

            Yeah man, that “Science” stuff is real grade A nonsense.

            Its really sad how delusional, and how contorted your thinking has to be to type things like that….on the internet.

            How do you think the internet works, exactly? Think its powered by Jesus? By prayer? By magic?

            Electrochemistry, actually, is how it works. And the same principles that drive electrochemistry, the exchange of electrons, are the same underlying phenomena that we find driving the formation of complex organic molecules, the same complex organic molecules whose replication and division and descent with modification drive evolutionary processes.

            Its funny how its all tied up together. To deny one area, but not the others, simply demonstrates, with every post you make, your hypocrisy, and your incorrectness.

            Its really sad, but its also kinda amusing.

          • Joe

            Uuuuuh…I didn’t say All science is nonsense…I was referring to yours that you are referencing in relation to this discussion…did I really have to explain that to you??

          • Michael Deaton

            That’s nice.

            By saying evolution doesn’t happen, you are in fact saying all science is nonsense, because the same methodology we use to discern electrochemistry to make computer chips and computer boards and the internet work is the same methodology we used to elucidate evolutionary theory.

            Also you make the common layman’s mistake of not comprehending that a theory in science is a testable, replicable, observable and explanatory model. Which means its fact, for all intents and purposes.

            A “Theory” in science doesn’t mean “a conjecture” which is what you seem to think it means. The word we use for that in science is a “hypothesis”.

            I realize part of the error in this thinking is related to the fact that they used to teach in public school a simplified model of the scientific method where a hypothesis is tested to a theory, which is accepted as a law, but this is not accurate, and has led to a lot of misunderstandings about science.

            I’d like to help you see that

            1. I’m not an unreasonable person
            2. I really do want you to understand how our methodology works because it really does matter to me

            But for this to work, you’re going to have to stop grasping at every straw in a flood, and actually try and think for yourself, rather than with that book of old fairy tales you like to wave around.

            Evolutionary theory is a tested, demonstrably true, explanatory model for the fact of the natural process of evolution.

            There’s also nothing explicitly incorrect with the idea that evolution may well be the methodology by which a divine Creator God generates the diversity of life on this planet.

            But the problem is that certain very hard core Christians find this thought uncomfortable to fit with their world view. It has led to an immense amount of sheer nonsense being peddled, primarily by disingenuous con men, like my state’s own Ken Ham, and Kent Hovind, and Ray Comfort, and others of their ilk.

            I encourage you to check out resources such as talk origins, and the Smithsonian website on human origins, as well as peruse some of the youtube videos out there on these subjects, as a way of helping familiarize yourself better with the information and data we have collected over the years.

            The thing is that we have collected so much data over the past 150 plus years, that it is actually almost overwhelming, especially to the layman. It leads them to take an easy road and pretend the evidence doesn’t exist, or isn’t conclusive, or is somehow “just a theory” as in “just a conjecture” rather than a rigorously studied, quantified, and heavily tested set of observed facts about our reality.

            That’s why Human Chromosome 2 is such powerful evidence, because it demonstrates that evolutionary theory is both accurate, and predictive, at modeling various phenomena through the operating paradigm that it generates.

            It is reality. Evolution happens. Macro, micro, and anything you want to jam in between.

            I COULD NOT DO MY JOB IF IT WAS NOT TRUE AND REAL. Doctors couldn’t do THEIR JOBS if it wasn’t true and real. Biomedical research, antibiotics and vaccines, none of it would work, if evolution wasn’t real. Its ALL founded, implicitly, explicitly, and inextricably with evolutionary theory.

            Its just a fact, bro.

          • Joe

            And saying DNA evidence demonstrates common descent ‘undeniably’ is just another ‘possibility’ that you twist into a fact. There is an old cliche…’get your facts straight’..and it certainly applies here.

          • Michael Deaton

            No, its undeniable, and if you knew anything about what I was talking about, you’re recognize it.

            Let me know when you’ve spent over half a decade in actual, rigorous biochem and phys anth research. Because until then, you’re just batting 0.

          • Michael Deaton

            “.I asked where are all the transitional fossils that should be here?? ”

            Every single living things today is a transitional fossil waiting to happen.

            This line of questioning is both irrelevant, and founded in your lack of capacity for understanding what a transitional fossil is. But I’ll give you a great living example.

            Try googling “Mudskipper”. These are fish, who have adapted to living most of their lives on land, their fins are slowly being modified over successive generations into limb like objects. They are evolving from fully aquatic fish, to land dwelling creatures.

            But again, its irrelevant. The DNA evidence alone is enough to confirm common descent, and the transitionary steps between various species.

            Rest of your post is you devolving into stale trolling because my answer was just too deep 4 u.

          • Joe

            Let me dumb this down for you…first, stop projecting theories and possibilities as facts. Mudskippers fins are not being modified into limb like objects. They’re using their fins as such..Even if they were, that is a classic example of MICRO EVOLUTION, NOT MACRO. That mudskipper fish, no matter how much time you give it, will never evolve into anything other than another fish. As far as DNA evidence, hopefully you understand the enormous amount of information in it. Like a computer chip, COMMON SENSE, although you don’t believe it exists, tells you that it is impossible for it to have happened by chance. Someone designed it. In no way does it ‘confirm’ common descent, with all living things no less.

          • Michael Deaton

            So basically you’re response is “NUH UH” because you say so?

            That’s nice.

            Poor Joe.

            Have fun being ignorant I guess.

            You recognize design in human objects due to their contrast with nature. One day you might realize that, but I doubt it. It would take intellectual curiousity on your part.

          • Joe

            Your feeble insults not only reveals your true intelligence, but also your character and grotesque immaturity.

          • Michael Deaton

            Crying isn’t rebutting.

            Also pointing out you are ignorant really isn’t an insult.

            There’s nothing wrong with ignorance. We’re all born ignorant.

            The only thing wrong with ignorance is continuing to perpetuate it out of arrogance, when the opportunity to reduce it is made available to you.

            I can recommend some books that will help you come to understand evolutionary theory much better, if you’d like.

            I promise they won’t be from atheistic sources.

          • Joe

            I appreciate the offer. You, like most scientists, are trying so hard to prove evolution is true and that God doesn’t exist and have your noses dug so deep in books that you don’t take a step back and look at things simply and rationally…that is not meant as an insult….While you may come up with interesting observations from time to time like the mudskipper and chromosome fusion, common sense would tell me that if evolution were true it would be easily observable, which it isn’t. I have experienced God in my life in ways that science could ever explain. Check this video out.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=77xr-OgizBg

            It may be from a different perspective than you’re used to & it’s a little long but I am only recommending it to you because you are obviously educated enough to understand the content.

          • Michael Deaton

            We aren’t “trying so hard to prove it true”

            Its already demonstrably proven true, without a shadow of a serious doubt by any scholar, biologist, chemist, geologist, paleontology, anthropologist, etc.

            What we are trying very hard to do, or at least, some of us, is break through the indoctrination you’ve been inculcated with since childhood, because we actually care about the truth, and we actually care about you, and the mental enslavement you endure on a daily basis that is so profound, and so integral to your being, that you cannot see it.

          • Joe

            “break through the indoctrination I’ve been inculcated with since childhood” I found God well into my adulthood. .another one of your preposterous theories that you think is a ‘fact’….’mental enslavement’..knowing God and His truth is a freedom you will never understand until you do the same..which I hope you do, before it’s too late.

          • Michael Deaton

            You were raised in a culture suffused with Christian dogma. Most of your family and friends are Christian, the religious experiences you undergo are culturally contextual. That’s why you devolved to Christianity, and that is still related to childhood indoctrination and inculturation.

            I realize that’s difficult for you to grasp, but it is the reality of what occurs. It would only be surprising if you had, instead of devolving to worship of Yahweh, the Canaanite sky deity that was hand picked by Constantine and then enforced through 2000 years of cultural dominance, you had decided to worship the Sun God Ra, or Izanagi, the male half of the Japanese creator god, or Quetzcoatl, the feathered serpent god of the Maya and Aztecs.

            See, culture dominates human experience, so when people in Western, Christian cultures “reject God” as youths, and then “come to Jesus” as adults in our society, its still a result of the overwhelming cultural indoctrination that you have experienced in your life. You can’t see it, because you are viewing your society from an interior perspective, as a member of it.

            You really made no choice in the matter, and it really is a form of mental slavery, and its very very sad.

            And you don’t “Know God”. How could you? This is why “Faith” is “Pretending to know things you cannot possibly know”

            You’ve deluded yourself. Now imagine for a minute a schizophrenic person, in the height of their delusion, trying to have that explained to them by someone who is not schizophrenic, and is not experiencing the same delusions. No matter how much the non schizophrenic person tries to explain to the schizophrenic person that they are suffused with delusional, the schizophrenic person won’t be able to grasp that. They can’t. Everything they see is real….to them. This is why treating these types of people is so difficult.

            Your belief that you have a personal relationship with the magic man who generated the universe from whole cloth is, in fact, a delusion, just as powerful as schizophrenia. You do not talk to god. You do not have a personal relationship with him. What you have is a form of culturally contextual delusion. That’s why apologetics exists, you see.

            It doesn’t exist to convert me. It exists to keep you clinging by your fingernails to delusions like “I know God”. No you don’t. If God exists, no one can know Him. His might and majesty would be beyond human comprehension. So the very premise that you “Know God” is arrogance and hubris.

            And the Bible wasn’t written, or divinely inspired by God. The Quran either. The Baghavad Gita isn’t either. Neither is the Popul Vuh. Or the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Every culture has had these mythologies, and every culture has had people who have convinced themselves they know these mythologies are true and real. Do you think the Egyptians were embalming and interring their dead in complex pyramids and other burial structures but they didn’t really believe that those bodies remaining intact was mission critical to ensuring their souls could make the complex journey to the Egyptian afterlife? The very premise is laughable. Of course they did.

            Do you think the Greeks and Romans didn’t really believe in the need to pay the boatman Charon for their journey to the afterlife? If they didn’t, why were all their people’s buried with coins over their eyes. In fact, that tradition was still going on in Poland as late as the 1600s. I’ve seen the coins in the mouths of the dead first hand during my time excavating there.

            Humans have a deep need for understanding. When they can’t figure it out on their own, they’ll literally make answers up. That’s how we work. And your inability to find understanding in your life led you to conclude that the overwhelming religious beliefs of your culture were the best possible explanation you could come to. That’s why you devolved into this belief system. And yes, again, it is absolutely the result of your childhood indoctrination. Christianity is pervasive in our society. Its not a surprise when people who hit rock bottom in our society return to the flock. Its not a surprise, but it is sad.

            Because those people have chosen to put chains on themselves, and there’s nothing sadder than a willing slave.

          • Joe

            You’re arguments are beyond laughable. First you say I only believe because of my minister, I debunked that. Then it was because of my parents, I debunked that. Now you say it’s because of the world and culture I grew up in. Good grief! I have looked at the evidence with an open mind and common sense. I, along with millions of others who have done the same (including many, many atheists) have come to the overwhelming conclusion that we were created. That creator is none other than the God of the Bible. Not your silly little magic sky man or spaghetti monster. Saying “If God exists, no one can know Him” might be the most ridiculous of them all. Think about it. If God exists, why wouldn’t he make himself known?? The answer is, He has. Abunduntly. Mainly through Jesus Christ. You are finally right about two things, however. First, God’s might and his majesty ARE beyond human comprehension. Second, humans do have a need for understanding and when they can’t figure it out on their own, they do make things up. Which is EXACTLY what you are doing. The THEORY of evolution is so far beyond ridiculous, that even Darwin himself has stated so. And it is YOUR inability to find understanding in YOUR life that it has led you to believe in a fairy tale that requires more ‘faith’ than any religion ever created. I haven’t ecen begun to pose questions to you that you could not answer..I have no doubt that if you would open your mind and use common sense you would come to the exact same realization. Try it, you will be amazed at what you’ll find.

          • Michael Deaton

            What you’re engaging in now is called attempting to inject a new consonant in an attempt to remove cognitive dissonance.

            You can disregard the impact of the overwhelming cultural influences in your life until you’re blue in the face, but the fact still remains that you’ve been surrounded with ridiculous Judeo Christian Abrahamist mythologies your entire life, so its no surprise that that’s where you land when you hit a crisis.

            Just like every alcholic in America finds Jesus with AA.

            Its called a coping strategy.

            You haven’t looked at the evidence with an open mind, or you wouldn’t reach the conclusion that a position that has no evidence, and relies solely on the world’s longest running game of telephone, that offers nothing of substance to prove its position beyond a 2000 plus year old book of shepherds fairy tales, is somehow remotely relaying to you “The Truth” ™, particularly when all the evidence that our world has to offer contradicts the tales therein.

            Where is the evidence that Jesus ever lived? That the Exodus ever happened? That a global flood occurred? That Jonah was in a whale’s belly? There is none, besides your old book. None. Whatsoever.

            So no, you have lied to yourself, repeatedly and often, filled your head with nonsense mythologies, convinced yourself that you’ve viewed all the evidence, when you aren’t even aware of things like the fusion of human chromosome 2, among the vast litany of points I’ve made to you that you had no cogent rebuttal to besides “Nuh uh” and “I know it because I know it because its common sense!”, and yet claim to have “looked at the evidence”.

            If you’ve looked at the evidence, then tell me: Where is the extra biblical references to Jesus’ life? Where is the proof that ANY of the claims in the Bible are true, excepting in the Bible? They don’t exist.

            Who is the most commonly cited source for extra Biblical citations for Jesus’ life, and what are the arguments for and against that evidence? Can you tell me?

            You’re also back to regurgitating nonsensicalities like your layman’s misunderstanding of the term “Theory” and your basal assertions that “evolution isn’t true because you say so”.

            Whether you like it or not, evolution is a fact. The evidence for it is overwhelming.

            Where is YOUR EVIDENCE that ANY of the things you claim to believe, that you claim to have seen the evidence for and evaluated it for yourself? Where is the evidence for a God? Where is the evidence that the God that exists is YOUR God, and not someone else’s?

            The fact is you’ve evaluated NOTHING. You’ve LISTENED AND BELIEVED. That’s it. And no “Just look around the evidence for God is everything” AIN’T evidence. Its an appeal to ignorance fallacy.

            Please. You’re a joke, Joe. You, like so many other deluded narcissists, have convinced yourself your rational and reasonable and care about the evidence, but you don’t. Its a simple reality. If you cared about the evidence at all, if you cared that what you believe conforms with the truth and that that truth is demonstrably true, you cannot, on any level, in any way, devolve to an answer that is the intellectual equivalent of “A magic fairy man in the sky that necessarily exists made it happen.”

            Unlike you, I actually do care that what I believe is true. I want to believe as many demonstrably true things as I can, and disbelieve as many demonstrably false things as possible. That’s why I don’t believe in your fairy sky man, because you have NO EVIDENCE FOR HIM.

            And one day, hopefully, you’ll realize that is the reality: You got nothing but an old book written by people who didn’t know where the Sun went at night. That’s it. Its all you got. That’s all there is holding up Christianity, and Judaism, and Islam, and that’s why you’re wrong.

          • Michael Deaton

            Anyway, Joe, let me ask you a serious question: What is your background in human anatomy and physiology? Does it exist?

            Have you ever taken, for instance, organic chemistry classes? What about biochemistry? Genetics? Human genetics? Evolution? What about osteology? Any physical anthropology classes? What’s your background in archaeological and paleontological methodology?

            Oh you have none?

            Yeah, I can tell.

          • Joe

            No need to. I have a background in common sense. If you want to believe that your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great great, great, great, ancestors were monkeys or some other non-human primate, and before that who knows what else, I feel sorry for you. The vastly enormous complexity of just the human body and how it works is evidence enough that we were designed and created. That is just scratching the surface. I won’t even get into the miracle of life and the unbelievably delicate balance of the earth’s ecosystem in order to create and sustain it. The eye alone is so much more complex than the most adavanced camera in the world. Surely you would never believe that a camera was not created by someone. It could never just evolve from something. LOGIC would tell you that it was created.

          • Michael Deaton

            Sorry, but your ignorance is not now, nor will it ever be, the equivalent of our justified true knowledge founded on quantifiable, replicable, testable science.

            Isaac Asimov made this very salient point that the key flaw in Democracy is that it leads people like you to believe that your ignorance is the equivalent of our knowledge. Its not. Your “common sense” is just you pretending to know things you don’t know, and can’t possibly know, because they “make sense” to you.

            But that’s not how science, and evidence based reasoning works, which is why I’m simply laughing at you right now.

            Nothing you have to say is relevant. None of it matters. Copy and paste more responses from Answers in Genesis, it doesn’t matter squat to me, you wanna know why?

            Because the next time you get sick, you won’t be staying at home praying to Jesus to save you. You’ll be coming to people like me, with strong backgrounds in the biological sciences, who are operating from the paradigm that evolution is true, because it is, and therefore accurate at modeling reality, and predictive, and its only because of that fact that we will heal you, while your pathetic sky man sits on his hands and does NOTHING.

            So you can wave that ridiculous and unwarranted willful ignorance around and try to make yourself feel better about how out of your league in this conversation you are that you’ve fallen back to the intellectual equivalent of “NUH UH YOU’RE WRONG BECAUSE I SAID SO” all you want.

            It doesn’t make an inch of difference to me. Make sure to thank your doctor, though, the next time you’re in his office being treated for a malignant tumor or other malady, because its really quite pathetic when you go and give Yahweh all of the credit for that medical professionals decades of hard work getting to the point he can treat you, because your god is so lazy he refuses to save you instead.

          • SpeakTruth

            Atheists do consider most christians hypocrits, but not for the reason you mentioned. Sin is a religious construct that holds no meaning to those of us that are non-theists. We decide what is right from wrong based on logic and common sense, not the bible or Quran or any other religious text. So, calling someone a sinner is just rude and mean-spirited, and ironic. Whether or not christians consider themselves sinners is irrelevant. Two people who love each other and wish to marry in order to celebrate their commitment to one another is not wrong or bad regardless of the gender of the two people. When christians merely call people sinners or abominations, mostly we would just discount it (unless it is directed towards children).
            The hypocrisy becomes more “sinister” when christians want legislation passed which would limit the freedoms and rights of the LGBT community because of the “sin” of homosexuality. This happens to be the only “sin” that doesn’t apply to those most outspoken christian fundamentalists. One would think christians would consider the 10 commandments god’s most important rules, however, adulters are not being turned away by bakers. Marriage after divorce isn’t being banned in Alabama. Jealousy, taking your lord’s name in vain, working on the sabbath, or dishonoring your parents aren’t on christian lobbying groups’ list of things to legislate, nor are christian bakers turning away those terrible people committing those “sins” that god considered so important, he wrote them on a stone tablet with his finger (so the story goes). Why aren’t christians trying to ban divorce instead of gay marriage? Why do they say that gay marriage will “ruin” marriage and thus spend millions of dollars and years of fighting to deny a gay couple the ability to have the government recognize their commitment? Yet, christians do not even consider that it is their own divorce rate that is “ruining” traditional marriage. The obvious reason being that it is better to pass legislation banning other people’s “sins”. Better to focus on a “sin” that doesn’t apply to them. That is what makes them hypocrits.

          • Taussig

            you cant hate that which you have no belief in….DUH!

          • The Insidious Faithslayer

            “so explain why they’re spending so much time, money, and effort on something that they DON’T even believe in??”

            I assure you that the moment religious people stop trying to pass laws based upon their religion that we’ll have to live by and when religious people stop killing other people because they think their god wants them to, you will see atheists stop giving a damn what you, or anybody else, believes real quick.

          • The Insidious Faithslayer

            Oh, okay.

            So when atheists do it, it’s a direct attack on Christianity, but when Christians do it, meh..no big deal.

            Your hypocrisy certainly knows no bounds.

          • Taussig

            the definition of atheist says it all…….No belief in ANY GODS. good grief man..

          • The Insidious Faithslayer

            So, by using your logic, we can rightly claim that prayer rallies or church services every Sunday is a direct attack on atheists by Christians.

          • Lark62

            It is not about you. You are not the centef of the universe. Sorry to be the one to break the bad news.

          • Joe

            That’s actually good news! Thanks lark!

          • Taussig

            are you really that stupid?

          • Jim

            You christians are never happy unless you feel persecuted.

            Here’s the news flash: No one is persecuting you in the US.

          • UmustBKiddinMe

            How is Christianity being attacked? No longer being given preferential treatment is not the same as being attacked. It would be like saying that when you tell a child that he has to share with others, that you are attacking that child.

          • Michael Deaton

            Not everything in the world revolves around you, or your pathetic mystical sky wizard.

      • The Insidious Faithslayer

        Now, you do understand that atheists don’t believe in any gods of any kind, right?

        We consider all religions equally ridiculous.

      • Michael Deaton

        You whine like a mule.

        Christian persecution complex is a mental disorder

      • Ledesordrecestmoi

        Your belief is so weak that anyone who doesn’t believe in it threatens it? Maybe it’s not so great huh?

        • Joe

          When did I ever say that anyone who doesn’t believe in my belief threatens it?? Atheism is no ‘threat’ to Christianity. What I am saying is that these atheist events, billboards, signs on buses, etc..are overwhelmingly directed at attacking Christianity specifically.

          • Ledesordrecestmoi

            Upload those bad boys to imgur. I haven’t seen any personally, but i’m sure if they are out there they will be easy to track down for those snapshots. Make sure that they actually direct the attack at anyone or that there is an attack. At least for the event in Memphis it wasn’t attacking christianity or any religion that I’m aware of. (Which is what you seemed to be implying which is why I said you’re perceiving attacks when there are none)

      • Paul Hiett

        So…your definition of “atheism” is “lack of belief in the Christian deity”.

        Tell me, can you link me to a definition somewhere that supports that version of atheism?

        • Joe

          No. That is not what I said Paul. Why do you people twist words and add in your own to fit your narrative.

          • Paul Hiett

            Oh, I don’t know…maybe this quote from you?

            “The whole event is based on not believing in Jesus and God.”

      • Todd Allen Bowers

        thats because Santa and bunny believers are not trying to restrict the rights of LGBT, pregnant women, and non-believers with their dogmatic driven legislation. Christianity may be the biggest target but we include imaginary friends of any culture as nothing but ridiculous and unsubstantiated.

    • Reason2012

      You do realize that atheism is about rejecting God? Without any claim of God, there’d be no such thing as saying “I’m atheist”.

      Let alone the fact they showed a Christian movie and mocked it.

      • Paul Hiett

        No, Reason, you’re wrong. You’re 99.9999999% wrong. We simply include your deity amongst the thousands that we don’t believe in.

        Without your God, we’d only not believe in 4199 deities as opposed to our current number of 4200.

        • Reason2012

          And yet the only religion attacked was Christianity. Where were the other thousands? Where’s your attack even on islam? So much for that claim.

          • Paul Hiett

            How can you claim that Christianity was attack? They didn’t meet up about Christianity. They met up because they share a disbelief in all deities, not just yours.

            We simply live in a country in which Christianity is the majority religion, and you people perceive any difference in opinion as an attack.

            Why?

          • Covered California

            That’s not true. Did you not read the critic of Islam that spoke at the event? It’s in the article.

          • Reason2012

            You mean they had a video of what islamists believe and then comedians were brought in to mock islam and allah? Please show where that is.

          • Covered California

            I know it doesn’t fit your agenda of “this was all just an event to attack us!” but look up the Muslim critic ayaan hirsi Ali mentioned in the article. She speaks AGAINST Islam.

          • Reason2012

            So you’re trying to say showing a Christian movie then pre-planned comedians will mock it is the same as a speaker just bringing verbal criticisms? It seems it doesn’t fit in with your agenda to pretend they are treating all beliefs the same. Trying to claim those things are the same is proof of how you’re being disingenuous.
            Thank you for posting.

          • Covered California

            I know you’re hung up on the mocking of the movie but ignoring the fact that an anti-islam speaker was there doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

          • Reason2012

            If there’s a meeting where they have a speaker criticizing agnosticism, but then an atheist movie is shown and hired comedians then get on stage to mock atheism, you’ll stop being disingenuous and finally stop pretending it’s the same thing.

          • uzza

            If there’s fur in your meatballs, but then a ’57 Chevy leaks cottage cheese,
            this’ll start seeming logical.

          • Covered California

            Umm what? Ironic your screen name is “Reason” considering you make no sense.

          • Paul Hiett

            You will find that they typically latch onto one single aspect of a larger event, and then pretend that one single aspect is a microcosm of the entire thing.

          • Cthulhu21

            People in general like doing that actually. Some are just better at realizing that they do. (forgive the “just so” portion of that)

          • Gehennah

            They are not the same thing, they just are not mutually exclusive.

          • Reason2012

            I never said mutually exclusive, but they most definitely are not the same thing. Getting up there and intellectually critiquing is far different than paying comedians to instead get up there and mock it.

          • Matt Dillahunty

            You do know who the keynote speaker was, right? And that there were other ex-Muslims speaking about it and on panels, right?

            You wouldn’t just be making biased assumptions to fuel your persecution complex, would you?

          • Reason2012

            Yes, SPEAKERS talked about islam. Who were the comedians brought in to mock?
            Did they mock allah?
            You wouldn’t be making biased assumptions that I have a complex to fuel your hate for Christians, would you?

          • Cthulhu21

            That’s not a loaded question. Edited to add [/sarcasm]

          • Reason2012

            It proves the point – they didn’t bring in comedians to mock islam or allah, but it was open season on Christianity. Sounds like you get it.

          • Gehennah

            There was a former Muslim there that almost entirely speaks out about Islam.

            But the reason you tend to see atheists in the US talk about Christianity so much is because we tend to have to deal with Christianity more than any other religion.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            You don’t have to deal with Christianity, you go your way and let us go our way without interfering with us. You can go on believing in nothing if that’s your choice.

          • Gehennah

            I have to deal with Christians on a daily basis telling me I’m going to Hell. I have to deal with Christians trying to impose their religion into the government and schools where it does not belong. I have to deal with Christians knocking on my door early in the morning to preach to me about god. I have to deal with Christians doing all kinds of stuff.

            Now not all Christians do this. A lot of them are absolutely outstanding people and I don’t have a problem with them. But those that are pressing BS like Creationism in school, those that decide to pray their children to death rather than take them to the doctor, those that oppose LGBT rights, yes, I have a serious problem with them because they are actively doing harm to others.

            Believe what you believe, I don’t care as long as your beliefs are not affecting others.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            You too. Jesus love you. God bless you.

          • Reason2012

            Yes, critiquing islam. Get back to me when they instead bring in comedians to jokingly mock allah.

          • Gehennah

            I’ve openly locked Islam before, and Moe just as I mock Joseph Smith, Yahweh, and the rest of the pedophiles.

          • Reason2012

            Not talking about you – talking about this convention.
            Try publicly mocking allah posting it publicly, moreso when they know who you are. You know what they do to those who do so when they catch up with them.

          • Gehennah

            I’ve called Moe a pedophile to a Muslim friend’s face. Hell, he even looked at my drawing of Moe on draw Mohammad day (I call him Moe, because I have a friend named Mohammad and I don’t like associated the pedophile with my friend’s name). My Muslim friend thought it was a neat drawing.

            There are some psychotic Muslims out there, and many that take their faith far too seriously. But there are plenty of Muslims who understand that Muslims are forbidden from drawing Moe, not non-Muslims.

          • Reason2012

            Good for you. But again, they didn’t bring in comedians to mock allah and islam – they brought in comedians only to mock Christianity, which is the point. Case closed.

          • Gehennah

            So what? In the US most people deal with Christianity more than other religions. That is why Christianity catches the most crap in the US.

            You’re going to just have to get over it.

          • Reason2012

            There’s nothing to ‘get over’ – nothing less is expected by hate for the only real truth: God. Just pointing out how the unsaved world proves time and again Christ is the truth of God, as the unsaved world only brings acidic hate when it comes to Christ.
            Take care.

          • Gehennah

            Hate? You think someone poking fun at your irrational beliefs means we hate you? No, it means we do not agree with one aspect of your belief, and we find it absurd.

        • Jackie Gallegos

          There is only one God. The creator of heaven and earth.

          • Gehennah

            Odin?

      • davewarnock

        The Christian movie they showed was mocking atheism. You realize that, right?

        • Reason2012

          No, it was refuting it. They weren’t sitting there telling a bunch of jokes on a stage mocking those who believe in it.

          • davewarnock

            the caricature of atheism shown in that movie was a very lazy and inaccurate portrayal of what atheism is about. Christians should have actual conversations with atheists before they try to make a movie refuting them.

          • Reason2012

            It wasn’t meant to be an accurate representation of atheism as a whole – nor was it a refutation of atheism. It was meant to show how one atheist professor was overbearing in his class and what ensued.

          • davewarnock

            “No, it was refuting it”

            You said it was refuting it; then you said it wasn’t. Which is it?
            And that professor was angry at God. An atheist would never be angry at God. Atheists don’t believe there is a God there at which to be angry.

          • Reason2012

            Where did I say the movie was refuting atheism?

            Yes, ONE professing atheist ended up being angry with God – he’s not the only one.

          • davewarnock

            “No, it was refuting it. They weren’t sitting there telling a bunch of jokes on a stage mocking those who believe in it.”

            This is your comment just above. Do you not even remember what you said??

          • Reason2012

            Ah I see – sorry for the confusion: they are refuting, as I clarified in other posts but should have reiterated again, ONE atheists and HIS attack on Christianity.

          • Cthulhu21
          • Reason2012

            Counter event: they spoke of Christ. They didn’t bring in comedians to mock atheists, which is what atheists did.

          • Cthulhu21

            Cry me a damn river

          • Paul Hiett

            So all atheists are overbearing jerks to anyone and everyone they meet, they threaten students with failing grades, treat their girlfriends like something they scraped off their shoe, and then suddenly feel compelled to convert on their death bed?

            Oh, not to mention that they are also portrayed as unethical by sleeping with their students…

            Tell me again how that movie was not an attack on atheists…

      • Tony Paxton

        Atheism is rejecting the CLAIM of a god…you do not get to presuppose the existence in order for someone to refute it. It is a CLAIM… or are you asserting that if you do not believe in fairies, you ARE accepting that they exist in order to say you reject them?

        • Reason2012

          Yes, atheism says its a fact there is no God. That’s why they REFUTE it because they’re saying there IS no God.

          But of course they’re claiming omniscience, which shows who illogical they’re being.

          • Matt Dillahunty

            You’re incorrectly defining atheism and I’ll thank you to stop. I don’t get to define what a true Christian is…and vice versa.

          • Reason2012

            I’m not defining it – I point out what they do. Agnostics do not believe in God or any god, atheists do not believe in God or any god. Atheists take it a step further and claim there actually is no God. Agnostics will just say they’re not sure but don’t believe there is.

            If you admit God might exist but you don’t believe, that’s agnosticism.

            It’s not your definition or mine. Neither is the definition of a Christian yours or mine.

            Hope this clarifies.

          • Matt Dillahunty

            You’re simply wrong. Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive terms. One addresses belief, the other knowledge. Agnostics are not some middle ground between belief and disbelief – because there is no middle ground.

            Meanwhile, the audacity that you show in telling me how I should label myself speaks volumes. Go educate yourself and stop pretending that you’re in charge of the world.

          • Reason2012

            There is a middle ground. A person can either say there’s a God, there’s no God, or they’re not sure.

            So you’re the authority on education and we must all conform to your attempt to be in charge of the world? No. As I said, these definitions are not yours or mine.

            So do you claim to not be sure there is no God? Or are you claiming there is no God?

          • Matt Dillahunty

            There is no middle ground between “I believe” and “I do not believe”. You should look up the difference between atheism and agnosticism (belief vs. knowledge, and knowledge is a subset of belief)…and the difference between ‘soft/weak atheism’ and ‘hard/strong atheism’.

            I’d recommend starting at ironchariots.org.

            Theism – belief in the proposition “there is a god”
            Atheism – disbelief in the proposition “there is a god”

            Think of it like a court case. The prosecution claims that a god exists. If you agree (theist) you vote ‘guilty’. If you are not convinced of guilt (atheist) you vote ‘not guilty’. Voting ‘not guilty’ does not mean you are convinced the defendant is innocent (hard atheist/strong atheist/anti-theist).

            Gnosticism and agnosticism address what you know. You can be a gnostic theist or agnostic theist, etc.

            I find gods “not guilty” of existing, because the prosecution (you and your side) has not met the burden of proof.

          • Reason2012

            So you do not believe in God. Again, are you :

            – claiming to not be sure there is not God and hence do not believe? or
            – claim there is no God?

            Simple question that you’re avoiding.

          • Gehennah

            The way nearly every atheist I know uses the term agnostic/gnostic and theist/atheist is gnosticism is a knowledge claim and theism/atheism is a belief claim. You may not like those definitions, but those are the definitions used by most of us when we discuss these matters. This is why a lot of people need to ensure they define the terms that they are using better. This is especially true when someone says “evolution is just a theory” because it shows they don’t understand how the term theory is used by scientists.

            I am an agnostic atheist as are a vast majority, if not all of the atheists I know.

          • Reason2012

            I find it interesting atheists try to shy away from the claim “there is no God’, and perhaps do not want to be called agnostic, giving any credibility perhaps to God existing. I guess that might be because the claim “there is no God” is a comment that can only be true if someone who knows 100% of everything in our vast universe, which of course they do not.

            But let’s clarify – are you claiming there factually is no God? Or are you instead claiming to not be sure and you just don’t believe it, but the possibility exists?

          • Gehennah

            Since we can’t really disprove a negative, it is the intellectually honest position.

            I am claiming that I do not believe in a god. I have no good evidence that a god exists. My mind is open to the possibility with sufficient testable evidence but so far the entire universe that we see seems to be operating without the need for the supernatural.

            Hence, agnostic atheist.

          • Reason2012

            So you are not claiming there is no God hence the possibility exists. Welcome to agnosticism. They don’t believe in God and they don’t claim God does not exist.

            Atheists whoever are making no secret they claim there IS no God as if it’s fact. Therein lies the difference.

          • Gehennah

            That isn’t the definitions most atheists use, sorry. You don’t get to define our labels.

            As myself, and others have explained. agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. I am an agnostic atheist. Hell, my wife is an agnostic theist. So that isn’t even mutually exclusive either.

          • Reason2012

            Most I’ve ever seen will invariably say “there is no God”
            Most agnostics when ask if there’s no God will only say “I’m not sure – I don’t believe there is”.

          • Gehennah

            I’ve seen very few atheists say there is no god. A vast majority are like myself, agnostic atheists.

            Now I can say that certain gods don’t exist. Yahweh, at least as described in the Bible, I can discount as nonexistent. Thor, I can discount too.

          • Reason2012

            Then you’re agnostic. Might as well claim there are atheist Christians and it would be just as silly.

            And how do you “know” the God of the Bible does not exist? You don’t. it’s just a belief.

            To compare Thor to the God of the Bible is a joke at best – show me billions following Thor today as if they honestly believe he’s real, let alone 100.

            Take care.

          • Gehennah

            Right, I am an agnostic. I am also an atheist.

            Atheist Christians are opposites since Christianity is a form of theism, a belief claim.

            I do know Yahweh doesn’t exist, at least to the point that I can know anything. The Bible is wrong on so many account it isn’t funny, which means it is not divinely inspired. Plus the entire concept of Hell destroys Yahweh being just or moral.

            Who cares if people believe in Yahweh or not, that isn’t the issue, The issue is the evidence.

          • Tony Paxton

            Again, you are wrong. A theist says there IS a God/gods. An atheist says I do not believe your claim. As I pointed out already, if I claim ghosts or fairies are real, you can accept my claim or reject it. That does NOT mean you are definitively claiming ghosts or fairies are not possibly real, only that you have not been convinced that the claim is reasonably true. I have no idea how you advance that to atheists are “claiming omniscience”. You are trying to make it about two different claims. Think of it as a court of law. You do not go in trying to prove guilt or innocence! The standard is guilty or not guilty. And not guilty simply means the burden of proof of guilt has not been met, not that you declare the defendant innocent. In this case, you are declaring God guilty of existing. I am saying not guilty..the burden of proof has not been met. That does not mean I declare Him innocent (does not exist).

          • Reason2012

            An agnostic doesn’t believe those claims either which would make them the same as ‘atheists’. But atheists take it a step further and will claim, implicitly or otherwise, there IS no God, which is something agnostics do not do- they’ll just say I don’t believe in God, but I can’t say there is no God. It’s the difference.

          • Tony Paxton

            Really? You are gonna keep on telling an atheist what he believes? Without addressing the points I made? Here is a thought for you. How about if I tell you what a Christian believes? Or that since you don’t follow (as example only since I do not know what brand you claim) the Protestant tenets you are not a real Christian? That would be rather arrogant and possibly dishonest of me, right? You are demonstrating that you do not understand the terminology. There is a difference between agnostic and atheist. Gnostic/agnostic deals with what we know, while theism/atheism deals with what we believe. A theism BELIEVES in a god/gods, while an atheist does not accept their claims. Some atheists may say there is no God, but that is NOT a requirement to be an atheist!!! Do you believe in fairies? I will assume not…so you are an afairyest. Does that mean you 100% declare there are no such thing as fairies? I am sure some will claim that, some will just say I do not think the evidence presented so far makes accepting them as real is justified. BOTH are still afairyest…whether you try to redefine their position or not. I do NOT BELIEVE in any god. I will not make a gnostic claim that I know for a fact there are no gods, because I cannot prove it, no more than I can PROVE there are no fairies. So stop telling an atheist what an atheist claims!

          • Reason2012

            There are two issues:
            saying you do not believe in God – that you do not BELIEVE there’s a God. (agnostics and atheists both say this)
            Then also saying (or not saying) that there factually IS no God. (agnostics will not say this, atheists will)

            If you don’t say there factually IS no God, then you’re an agnostic.
            But of course the fallacy of claiming to be omniscient and say it’s fact there IS no God (verses only believing there’s no God) leads some atheists to pretend “well.. that’s not atheism”.

            Do you merely say you do not BELIEVE there is God? Then fine. But to insist you should be called an atheist anyway is just pointless. Might as well say you do not believe in God but insist on being called a Christian and it would be just as pointless.

            Take care.

          • Tony Paxton

            This is ridiculous. Try actually looking up and comparing the definition of gnostic/agnostic and theist/atheist. As I have said several times, agnostic deals with what is KNOWN, while the atheist label deals with what we believe. A person can be a gnostic theist, meaning they believe there is a god/gods, and claim that they KNOW this for a fact. A person can believe there is a god/gods but say I cannot say that I know this 100% as fact, and they would be an agnostic theist. AND SO ON! The fact is, every person either believes the claim that a god/gods exist or they do not accept that claim. It is a single point on a single claim. If you believe in god, your are theist, and if you do not, you are atheist. The knowledge (gnostic/agnostic) claim is a separate claim and NOT addressed by what you BELIEVE. Again, this only answers one question…do you believe? Yes or no, theist or atheist. You conflate the question when you try to imply that an agnostic is just a weak version of an atheist, and that an atheist is making claims that he knows there is no god. It simply is not the case! And finally, AGAIN, I would not make the statement that you being a Christian (or theist) believe XXX or claim XXX. I would ask you what exactly is it that you claim to be the truth. I may make a statement like “the Christian belief I was raised in said this XXX…” but it is just wrong and generalizing to say that “atheist claim there is no God” because that is NOT what atheism states. Your continued misrepresentation and even saying that I am the one commiting a fallacy and even that I am “pretending” suggests to me that you have a real need to misrepresent the atheist position. And again, who has claimed to be omniscient? Only the strawman you have claimed is the atheist position.

          • Tony Paxton

            By your logic then, are you claiming that for a theist who claims he KNOWS there is a god/gods, they are also claiming omniscience? Goes both ways ya know…

      • Gehennah

        Oh no, they mocked a Christian movie. It isn’t like a bunch of absolutely horrid Christian movies didn’t recently come out that deserve mocking.

        • Reason2012

          Thank you for proving my point – you hate what Christians do and think it deserves mocking. The point. They don’t critique it – they hatefully mock it.

          • Gehennah

            The Christian movies that came out last year were horrendous and deserving of mocking. Especially when they are so laughably stupid on their concepts.

            I mock those movies just as I mock a lot of other horrible movies that came out. It isn’t because it is Christian, it is because its a stupid movie.

  • Matt Dillahunty

    Any pictures of the “thousands”? I was there and it didn’t even look like hundreds.

    • X-Christian

      Yup.
      Regardless of the claim, it is always up to us Atheists to demand evidence. Exhausting.

      • Jackie Gallegos

        Who care how many attended. The point is that they attended to offset the insane people who attended the atheists meeting. You can brag all you want about these meetings, how many in attendance etc. but you will certainly be sorry when you die and find yourself burning in hell for eternity. God bless you.

        • X-Christian

          Nobody goes to Hell. According to your Bible there is no chance of it. You clearly have not read your Bible.
          Jesus makes it clear: “Forgive them, they know not what they do” So even if I believed in Jesus – which I stopped doing – there is no need to worry.
          Nobody goes to Hell.

          • Gehennah

            That or you have the opposite interpretation of the Bible where pretty much nobody goes to Heaven, including Jackie.

            Ah the Bible, your own choose your own adventure book.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            And who made you my judge? Luke 7: 37. Stop judging and you will not be judged; Stop condemning and you will not be condemned. 41. Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own. Remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will se clearly to remove the splinter in your brother’s eye.

          • Gehennah

            Jackie, my buddy, my pal.

            The Bible says all kinds of contradictory things in it. That’s why I called it a choose your own adventure book.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            Wrong. Matthew 12 – v23. “And as for you, Capernaum; Will you be exalted to heaven? You will go down to the netherworld.” V24. But I tell you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom on the day of judgment than for you”. Matthew 24: V48-51: But if that wicked servant says to himself, ‘My master is long delayed, and begins to beat his fellow servants and eat and drink with drunkards, the servant’s master will come on an unexpected day and at an unknown hour and will punish him severely and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth. Luke 13 v27-28 Then he will say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from. Depart from me, all you evildoers. And there will be wailing and grinding of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God and you yourselves cast out.

          • X-Christian

            “For as in Adam all died, even so now Christ
            has made ALL alive.” (Corinthians 15:22)

          • JL Bush

            Who are you kidding? You have never believed in Jesus Christ, which is why you say such dumbs***! Jesus was clearly talking about his killers!

          • X-Christian

            “Zombies rose from their graves and walked for Jesus to raise awareness throughout Jerusalem” – (Matthew 27:52)

            This stuff needs to be abandoned. The Bible COMPLETELY unbelievable.

          • X-Christian

            Never believed in Jesus? Oh yes I did.
            And I guess you never believed in Santa Claus when you were 6 years old?
            People grow up and change their minds when the evidence comes in.
            There is no Santa Claus and there are very likely no Gods either.

          • JL Bush

            What happened was you starting believing you were smarter than everyone around you and that you possess some great insight into the world that no one else possesses. If the archeological evidence that has, and is still being found, does not help to convince you that at least many of the stories in the Bible are true, and therefore, the possibility that Christ too existed, especially since texts have been found that also mention the “mythical” Pontius Pilate, then you are intellectually dishonest and are purposefully trying to deceive people away from Christ. Hate on religion all you want, as it’s a man made invention, but to not understand that Christ and religion are on opposite spectrums proves you are either lost or you are a deceiver.

          • X-Christian

            If Christ isn’t a religion they we should start taxing the churches. Religion is tax-free but nothing else is.

            And just because a Pontius Pilot may have existed that doesn’t mean his actions are accurately described or that anything else in the Bible is based on reality.

            Just because New York City is real – that doesn’t mean Spider Man is real.

            The Bible is fiction. Like a comic book. And it is silly to pretend that it has anything real in it:

            ZOMBIES OF THE BIBLE:
            “All the dead saints rose from their graves and walked through the city visiting with the people….” – (Matthew 27:52)

            If Christians ever read their Bibles they would laugh like the rest of us who finally left this nonsense.

          • JL Bush

            John 1:7 – For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

          • X-Christian

            What deception have I employed?

          • JL Bush

            “If Christ isn’t a religion they we should start taxing the churches.”? LOL! Religion – organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods. The Gods themselves are not a religion, they are male and female deities. So, AGAIN, Christ has nothing to do with Christianity other than what man has made it to mean.

          • X-Christian

            Well if you will stop practicing the religion that would be great! Thanks.

            Everytime you shove the Bible at people, when you preach about Jesus, when you scold sinners, you are practicing religion.

          • JL Bush

            You are a very presumptuous person as who said I practiced religion? I didn’t shove the Bible at anyone, it was you who started with the anti-Christ comments on others. But just because one does not believe in religion, does not mean the ancient narrative text known as the Bible has to automatically be completely in error and untrue in all aspects. And again for like the 4th time, believing in Christ does not make one religious.

          • X-Christian

            You invoke the accusation of “Anti-Christ.”
            That is a religious action. You are practicing religion when you project the ‘truth’ of Christ. When you go to church you are practicing religion. When you pray you are practicing religion.

            Which is why I am delighted that you don’t practice religion.

          • X-Christian

            This is not about who is smart and who is stupid. Believers are not stupid. They have been simply misdirected.
            They have been told since childhood that the Bible is real – but it is increasingly clear as evidence emerges – that the Bible is a cartoon, like a comic book from ancient times.

          • JL Bush

            Again you ignore my archeological facts statement and rant about something stupid and childish. John 1:7 – For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

          • X-Christian

            There is no convincing archeological evidence.

            Nobody knows who Mark or Luke were. They were not listed among the disciples. Who were they? Why should anyone believe their contradictory versions of Jesus?

          • JL Bush

            This is what happens when a pagan emperor, hundreds of years after Christ’s death, gets to decide what the first Christian Bible says, which is why many Christians unknowingly practice worshipping the Lord in pagan ways. And if one reads Exodus they will clearly see how the Lord feels about worshipping him in pagan ways. Are there inconsistencies and questionable verses in the Bible, sure, but you are suggesting that the baby (Christ) should be thrown out with the bath water (Bible & Religion), when Christ has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible and its contents. That is an illogical conclusion. Your thought that Christ can’t be real because the pagan written Christian Bible has inconsistencies and questionable writings that go against how you feel Christ should be, even though Christ had nothing to do with its wording, is a fallacy of thought. If ones starting premise is false (religion and the bible are in error, then everything mentioned in the Bible must not be true = throwing the baby out with the bath water), then logically, ones conclusion can only be false.

          • X-Christian

            There is no reason to believe Yahweh is real.

            Because if The Bible is correct, Yahweh commands Genocide, Abortions, mass murder, rape, mass enslavements and pages of willful evil: slicing off penises, destroying women’s sex organs, ripping and slashing enemies with particular kinds of swords.

            God commands enslaving everyone who surrenders:
            “As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.” (Deut. 20:10)

            What morality is being preached by enslaving a surrendering army?

            How can this God truly send a ‘savior’ – he has no interest in saving anyone. These commands are not people behaving badly – THEY ARE GOD’S COMMANDS FOR PEOPLE TO BEHAVE BADLY!

            THAT is the point which we Atheists are trying to call attention to. Does it make sense for such a God to commit suicided for himself? (Lamb of God is a sacrificial term – God arranged his own death as a sacrifice to himself – it makes no sense)

            God commands raping and stealing

            “Lo, a day shall come FOR THE LORD when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, WOMEN RAPED; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.” (Zechariah 14:1-2)

            What morality could possibly be preached here? These are instruction by God – telling people he wants mass murder and mass rape as a virtuous outcome!

            Do YOU KNOW YOUR BIBLE?

          • JL Bush

            Again, the first Bible was written by a pagan emperor hundreds of years after Christ’s death and Christ had nothing to do with it. What part of that can you not understand? A book written by men does not make or break a God!

          • X-Christian

            If the Bible is nonsense why did your JESUS lie about that?

          • JL Bush

            Sigh……..

          • X-Christian

            “Not a dot nor one tittle shall pass from the law till all is accomplished” – Jesus

            If the Bible is irrelevant – Why did Jesus lie and say it wasn’t?

          • JL Bush

            So you can argue in favor of Christ and the Bible! Good job!

          • X-Christian

            So Jesus never rose from the dead? And he never did any miracles?
            Wow.
            And you still believe in the character? That’s even more crazy than I thought.

          • JL Bush

            2 John: 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

          • X-Christian

            YOU PROVE MY POINT!
            You sit there and quote the Bible at me – while you tell me the Bible was written by ignorant pagans who did not write accurate information!
            You talk out of both sides of your mouth!
            If the Bible was written by ignorant pagans as you say, then there is nothing in it worth quoting! There is nothing in it that can be fact!
            Jesus only exists in bible stories – no where else!
            If those stories are BS then why are you quoting this garbage at me?

          • JL Bush

            It was you who keeps pointing out only the negatives of the Bible to everyone in other threads, which prompted me to concede the point to you that not everything in the Bible is probably accurate due to its beginnings, but as I have also explained numerous times to you, THAT DOESN’T MEAN THE WHOLE BIBLE IS IN ERROR as that would be an illogical conclusion without first testing that hypothesis, which is why I offered archeological findings as proof that proves places and events as true in the Bible. The next logical step for you would have been to offer counter proof to support your claims, but you did not. Instead, you merely find another negative verse from the very book you claim you don’t believe in, and then give use your opinion of it, as if that’s proof of your negative claims. The way intellectual conversations are supposed to work is I agree to your valid points and you are supposed to agree with mine to advance the conversation to a logical conclusion, but you refuse to even listen and acknowledge the points I have explained, unless of course it’s to dishonestly try and twist what has been said, such as above, to draw false inferences as a distraction from my points. It’s not really about discussing right and wrong about the Bible, Christ, and religion, with you. Instead, it’s about winning so you can feel smart and like a big boy, even if it’s by intellectually dishonest means. Just because you don’t personally like all the really mean and terrible sounding parts of the Bible, regardless of who put it there, IT DOESN’T MEAN CHRIST DIDN’T EXIST! That is a fallacy of thought and an illogical conclusion based in no form of fact based premises. So show your fact based premises as proof he doesn’t exists instead of telling us what the Bible says about the really mean stuff, and then giving us your personal opinion on it, because no one thinks you are special and no one cares what you personally think. In the big boy world we operate on fact based premises! You know why you don’t offer any proof that Christ didn’t exists? It’s because you can’t! And by the way, as a believer I will quote the Bible and Christ any damn time I decide to and I don’t need your permission or approval, because just as you use it against me and others in a weak attempt to prove Christ didn’t exist, we believers can use it against you to prove what you really are, 2 John 1:7 – “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”

          • X-Christian

            But you are the one who claims parts of the bible to be true! Not me.
            How are you determining which of the claims are true if you already said many claims are just written by pagans and are not true?
            Did Jesus really Rise from the dead? Did he cure the lepers?
            Or are those claims not true? I have no idea how you can make a decision on what is true.
            Did Jesus command people to ignore this commandment: “Thou shalt not bear false witness” (Exodus 20:13) when he said, “Blessed are those who do not see yet believe” – Jesus (John 20:29)

            The Commandment says “Don’t claim something true if you have not seen it (False witness).”
            Yet Jesus says the opposite! “Blessed are those who claim truth without evidence!”

            How did you determine what is true in all of this? How did you sort out the contradictions?
            If The Bible isn’t completely true – then how did you figure that out!?

          • JL Bush

            I never did make a determination what is true in the Bible and what isn’t and can’t, other than through things like archeological evidence, which has been my whole point to you, NEITHER CAN YOU! So how can you make the determination that Christ didn’t exist and how do you determine that the negative parts of the Bible are true?

          • X-Christian

            If you are honest enough to admit you cannot know what is true in the Bible, then you must realize that you cannot claim any of the Bible “as true” to other people – such as me.

            I don’t know whether Jesus really existed or not. The only real record of a person named Jesus is a Bible which is full of contradictions. Jesus doesn’t even appear to be a good person in these stories.

            There are no reliable documents from the first century to tell us anything about the claims of the bible.

            “Many saints rose from the dead and walked through the city of Jerusalem and visited with the people there” – (Matthew 27:52)

            Such stories are literally unbelievable. Where did the people go? did they die again and get reburied?
            Why are there so many records of the first century which the romans kept – yet no mention of the hundreds of dead people who supposedly came to life for no reason?

            Atheists are people who simply don’t see a reason to believe these claims about god. We don’t claim a God to be impossible! Maybe a god exists – you don’t know and neither do i – but we don’t believe Yahweh/Jesus is true. We don’t believe Allah is real either. None of the gods appear to be real.

            I don’t see a good reason to believe anything in the Bible is ‘true’ and Israeli archeologists have shown the Exodus could not have happened as described in the bible in any case – so that is yet another example of how archaeology is disproving (not proving) more of the Bible all the time.

            We are all left guessing. That is why it is important to challenge people who claim “THIS thing about Jesus is true” – Nobody knows. Nobody can make such a claim.

          • JL Bush

            I agree that no one can definitively prove, yet, that Christ existed. However, archeological evidence that has, and is, being found proves things like the exodus and locations to be accurate as described thousands of years ago. While this is still not definitive proof that Christ existed, it certainly gives credibility to much of the Bible and its contents, and therefore, the great possibly that the Bible is accurate about Christ’s existence as well.

            There are 1st Century texts outside the Bible as well. For example, Flavius Josephus was a 1st-century Romano-Jewish historian and hagiographer of priestly and royal ancestry who recorded Jewish history, with special emphasis on the 1st century AD and the First Jewish–Roman War, which resulted in the Destruction of Jerusalem and its temple in 70. He wrote, “there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.” There are several others as well.

            I agree that stories such as “zombies” walking around seem strange. However, just because we don’t understand it or have all the answers doesn’t mean a God wouldn’t be capable of such things. Remember, even the Egyptians had god like powers as they too could turn a staff into a snake, for example. Additionally, you mention that a God may be possible, but then quickly say you don’t believe it to be possible. Which it? That question is rhetorical for further self-evaluation.

            I’m not sure what Israeli archeologists have shown the exodus to not have happened in the Bible? Are they saying it didn’t happen at all, or just not as described by the Bible? Because if it’s the latter, then the story is still true, just the specifics may be little off. Here are some examples of how archeology is proving the Bible to be correct:

            1. The Dead Sea Scrolls are the greatest discovery of our time. They provide us with copies of the Hebrew Bible two thousand years old.
            2. Number two is an inscription in stone dug from the city of Dan that mentions King David by name.
            3. Number 3 is a silver amulet on which the blessing of the High Priest (“The Lord bless you and keep you,” etc.) is scratched in Hebrew. Archaeologists date the making of this amulet and the stone inscription to a time before the destruction of Solomon’s Temple in 586 B.C.

            4. Archaeologists recovered a fisherman’s boat from the time of Jesus from the mud along the shore of the Sea of Galilee.
            5. In Jerusalem they found a seal impression made by Baruch, the scribe of the prophet Jeremiah.
            6. The third is a box that once contained the bones of the High Priest Caiaphas, the very man who put Jesus on trial.

            7. Ancient stones used as ancient poster mentions Pontius Pilate by name.
            8. Records the deeds of Mesha, king of Moab, who rebelled against King Ahab according to 1 Kings, chapter 1.

            9. The library of Ugarit. It tells in great detail how the Canaanites worshiped their pagan gods.
            10. A large stone altar with horns uncovered in Beersheba 35 years ago.
            However, if one does not believe the ancient narrative texts or the archeological evidence and is instead looking for the smoking gun of Christ’s existence, he or she may never find it, which is why we call it FAITH, as there was a time when it was not understood that we exhale CO2 for example, but that didn’t mean it didn’t exist. Rather, we had not yet discovered the knowledge or technology to be able to realize it. That is why it is important to challenge people who claim, “This thing about Jesus is untrue”.

          • X-Christian

            Yes – interesting things have been found by Archaeology. But they don’t prove Jesus or God.

            1. It is not clear what is true about the legends of Jesus.
            2. It is okay to not believe in Jesus while keeping an open mind about Jesus as we investigate further.
            3. It is not clear that the message of Jesus is ‘good’.
            4. It is not clear that religious beliefs lead to better societies.
            5. Millions of people live good, productive lives without believing any of these stories.

            Honesty requires facing facts – not possibilities. We cannot claim God or Jesus with certainty – therefor we cannot call them ‘true’.

            That is all the Atheists are saying. We don’t see a reason to believe these stories are absolutely true as described in the Bible.

            We Atheists want to be treated fairly for simply being honest about that. We don’t believe. But that doesn’t stop you from staying with religion if that is what you want to do.

          • JL Bush

            I’m curious, where do you think we came from?

          • X-Christian

            Where did we come from?
            I don’t know. It is a mystery so far.
            But like everyone else, I’m curious about that question.

            Science, Biology and philosophy propose many good insights but the search for an answer is exactly the right conversation to be having.

            I don’t deny a god may have something to do with it – but I don’t see any reason to believe a god did it either.

            My position on these things is “believe something only when you have a good, understandable reason to believe.”
            Until then, I have to be comfortable with not knowing – I have no choice.

          • JL Bush

            Why are you asking me if Jesus never rose from the dead or if he never performed miracles? Did I suggest that he didn’t? We were discussing that the Bible was written by MAN, and therefore, contains questionable things, but I NEVER suggested that Christ didn’t arise and or that the whole Bible was in error and you know it. Do you not see that in your attempts to win the argument at all costs, you are no longer making any sense or staying on topic. Your arguments are ever evolving and you don’t acknowledge anything the other party says. You simply search out what you think is a clever negative Bible verse that proves some imaginary point of yours, while ignoring everything that was just said. It is clear you are not interested in a having an intellectual conversion, but instead simply want to argue and make false inferences, as if you are convincing anyone to stop believing in Christ, when in fact, you are doing the exact opposite. I find it very comical that someone would attempt to use the Bible in order to try and convince others to not believe in Christ or anything in the Bible. It is very clear through your use of all the negative verses you always point out from the Bible, that you use the Bible as justification for the way you feel, which proves that you do actually believe what it says, or else you would find some other ancient narrative text to justify your feelings, yet you haven’t. Ask yourself why! I suspect you have some perceived injustice in your life, and now you are lashing out and turning away from what you know to be the truth, but yet you use that very same truth to also try and turn others away from Christ. You also commented earlier that the nuns taught you well. Really? So well that they turned you away from Christ? I didn’t realize that was their goal. I have grown tired of discussing this any further, as you are not as complex or a smart as you think you are, and your motives and tactics are very transparent. I’m sure you just have to get the last word, because it brings you some false sense of winning, so go ahead and get the last word. But just remember, 2 John 1:7 says, “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” But hey, you don’t believe anymore, so being an antichrist should not be a big deal to you.

          • X-Christian

            The problem is in your head – not mine.
            In one tone of voice you say Jesus is real, he is god and his word is true.
            In another tone of voice you say nothing in the Bible can be taken as described because it is all flawed and written by pagans.

            The Bible says: “He is Risen”
            But if this is not to be taken as exactly, true – then it is not worth anything at all whatsoever! Your entire argument in favor of Jesus falls apart if the Bible is nothing but jello nailed to a wall.

          • X-Christian

            Didn’t you believe in Santa at one time?
            Why did you stop? Didn’t you come to the realization that it wasn’t real?

            And when you stopped believing did someone ever say to you, “YOU never really believed in Santa”?

            Why is it so important to you that people must keep believing in something after the evidence has disproved it? What happened to honesty?

        • Lark62

          Then why the lie?

          • X-Christian

            It is as clear as can be:

            “For as in Adam all died, even so now Christ
            has made all alive.” (Corinthians 15:22)

            This means even though we had nothing to do with Adam’s sins, now we don’t have to worry as we are all saved.
            EVEN IF WE DON’T BELIEVE !!!

    • The Insidious Faithslayer

      C’mon Matt. Did you really just ask for religious people to present empirical evidence?

      • Matt Dillahunty

        Yes. Every single time. Because each failed attempt demonstrates their problem.

    • Matt Dillahunty

      Considering another news service (which actually included video) reported attendance in the hundreds…and people are posting pictures of the event on Facebook with comments like, “That awkward moment when you realize you could have all met at McDonalds”, with a few dozen people in the picture.

      I’m just wondering whether they actually have justification for claiming 4000, or if this just another lying/exaggerating for Jesus tactic. Wouldn’t he be proud?

      As someone who has spoken in front of crowds for a decade, I’m pretty good at estimating attendance, but maybe I’m wrong. Maybe my debate didn’t draw over 600, maybe it was closer to 10,000!

      • davewarnock

        sounds similar to Paul claiming that Jesus appeared to 500 disciples at once.

    • Matt Dillahunty

      Autozone park has a capacity of 10,000. So just provide a picture of the event where the stadium is slightly less than half full (I’ll accept ‘clearly 1/4’ full to substantiate ‘thousands’) and we’ll call it a day. Surely that can’t be difficult.

      • Michael Deaton

        Dillahunty on the prowl, taking theist scalps left and right I see.

        You make us proud Matt.

        • Jefferson_Lebowski

          Indeed! Love that guy!!

      • Jefferson_Lebowski

        You are the Dude but an Atheist. You are the Atheist Dude……And I respect you much for it Matt.

        • Jackie Gallegos

          I wonder how much you will respect him when both of you are burning in hell for eternity? God bless all of you misguided people.

          • Doug Poston

            Well, if you keep threating people with hell then Santa will not get you any gifts this year.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            It’s “threatening” . I have never believed in Santa. When I grew up, we were so poor that there was no Santa. If you are trying to intimate that Jesus is not real, you are barking up the wrong tree. I KNOW He’s real. He is with me always, in my heart, my mind and my soul. I feel Him with me every day of my life. I wish you had the experience of having Him in your life. He is all loving, caring and merciful. God bless you. He loves you.

          • Matt Dillahunty

            Prove it.

          • Joe

            Look around you. The proof is everywhere.

          • Gehennah

            You know I used to feel the Holy Spirit when I was a Christian too. It gave me some really specific feelings when talking to Jesus. I generally refer to them as the warm and fuzzies.

            I can also get those same exact feelings by talking to an invisible friend that I know is not real. My invisible friend has exactly the same amount as evidence as your god existing.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            If you are trying to be funny, you are failing miserably. Do you get those same warm and fuzzies when you talk to the Devil. You will definitely be “warm” when you join him in hell. You don’t have the slightest idea what you are talking about. You can’t measure the love that God demonstrates. I know He is there so I don’t care what you, the scientists, the archeologists, and any other organization say about His existence. It is strange that you don’t believe in God but do believe in the devil. Jesus loves you. I will pray for you.

          • Gehennah

            Not trying to be funny at all. I get the same feelings now, talking to an invisible friend as I did as a Christian talking to god. Its actually something I had to do to help cope with certain problems in my past that I didn’t want to talk to anyone about.

            Umm, when did I say I believe in the devil? I don’t believe in the supernatural… period. That would include your god, your devil, the Spring Heeled Jack, Thor, and Fairies.

            BTW, just a hint. Trying to threaten someone with Hell really isn’t a good way to try to start a conversation. It makes it hostile and it is a very poor way to try to get your message across.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            I am not threatening you or anyone else with hell. I don’t have the power to threaten anybody about hell. If you don’t like my message, it’s because you have a closed mind. I don’t care if you believe Christ exists. I know He does. He lives in me and I in Him. Stronger is He who lives in me than he who lives in the world. Jesus loves you. God bless you

          • Gehennah

            When you say “you better believe in god, or you’re going to go to Heaven” that is threatening someone with Hell. I find it laughable because I don’t think Hell is a real place, but it is a horrible argument on your end, absolutely horrid.

            And you can claim that you know Jesus exists, but you can’t demonstrate it at all. You have no evidence, and you can’t differentiate the feelings you get from talking to Jesus from a delusion.

          • Doug Poston

            In my heart, Santa was real too. As was Jesus at one time.

            But you are threatening us. And, while most atheists find the threat laughable, you should think about why you feel the need to threaten people for their beliefs.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            I’m not threatening anyone. I find everything about atheists laughable. Who am I to threaten you anyway? I don’t have power to threaten you or anyone else. That’s pretty ridiculous. What am I threatening you with? I don’t have the power to send you to hell or anywhere else. You are doing that all by yourself. Jesus loves you. God bless you.

          • Jefferson_Lebowski

            Yeah well that’s just like your opinion man….

          • Gehennah

            Wow, threatening someone with Hell and telling them god bless you in the same post.

            And yet you don’t see anything wrong with that. That’s like someone saying that they will kill you, but they hope you have a good day anyways.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            I didn’t threaten you with hell. You made that decision yourself. You still don’t acknowledge that God is for real. you’re so hung up on what you say and discount everyone else’s opinion. Tell me about evolution. Can you prove you evolved from an ape? If so, where did the first ape come from? Why aren’t they still evolving? Were there different apes for races; ie. a Mexican ape, a Chinese ape, a Korean ape, an English ape, a French ape, etc. or how did the different races come to be? Jesus loves you. God bless you.

          • Gehennah

            I don’t accept Yahweh’s existence for the same reason I don’t believe in Thor. Evidence.

            Can you prove you evolved from an ape?

            Technically, we are apes still. But you can look at the fossil record and the various transitional forms from humans to our past ancestors and see the slow gradual change. You can also look at our DNA. All of the dry nosed apes share the same gene that produces Vitamin C, and it is broken in all dry nosed apes. Not only is it broken, it is broken the exact same way (I may be wrong on this, there may be one dry nosed with with the functioning gene, I’ll double check if you really want me to). While there are other animals with the broken gene, it isn’t broken in the same way.

            We have ERVs, which are in our DNA. We can use that to trace back lineages as well to see where our ancestors split off.

            If so, where did the first ape come from?

            It evolved from whatever predates the apes.

            Why aren’t they still evolving?

            We are still evolving. We have a fairly recent gene in the genepool that allows for tetrachromacy. Basically it is a mutation that adds a 4th cone to our eyes and allows us to see millions of more colors than those without it. We also have people who are no longer growing wisdom teeth because they lack the gene to do so (or its broken).

            Were there different apes for races; ie. a Mexican ape, a Chinese ape, a Korean ape, an English ape, a French ape, etc. or how did the different races come to be?

            Humans all descended from each other. The races that we see (the variations in skin color, eye shape, etc) are all adaptations as we spread throughout the world. There are numerous hypothesis on many of these. But humanity isn’t all that diverse compared to other species. There tends to be more genetic diversity between two different chimp troops (colonies maybe, I forget the term for their group) than there is between two different people.

            Jesus loves you. God bless you.

            Sorry, I don’t buy it. I don’t buy that your god exists, I don’t buy that your Jesus was the son of the god that I don’t believe exists. And I certainly don’t believe that he loves me if he was even real. You see, if I had a child I wouldn’t make a torture chamber in the basement of my house and tell them that I’m going to have them tortured if they didn’t love me. I understand you mean well, but coming across with the whole god loves you stuff is really condescending.

          • http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Barry Shitpeas

            The very thought gives you damp panties, doesn’t it, Jackie?

          • Jackie Gallegos

            What are you talking about, you gross ape. Can’t you converse without resorting to pornography? You should be ashamed of yourself. Jesus love you. God bless you

    • Tj Evans

      4,000 attended the Christian event, where people shared their testimonies, and sang and prayed, you lied.

      • Matt Dillahunty

        Wait, are you saying that I lied…or are you agreeing with me?

        If you’re claiming that this article lied, even I haven’t claimed that – I’d just like them to back up their claim as other sources (including pictures and video and the eyewitness testimony of those of us who were actually there) represent the attendance as a few hundred, at best.

      • Matt Dillahunty

        And I was asking them to prove the number…and now I’ll ask you, and you can also prove where I lied (or retract your accusation).

  • Jim

    Thousands? Witnesses say it was barely hundreds.

  • Michael Grace

    Christianity is on the way out in America; there’s no place for it in the future. Christians should dump the rulebook and switch to something closer to Universalism if they want to survive to tithe another generation.

  • EstherB

    Apparently Heather Clark is not above breaking the 9th Commandment. Hundreds, not thousands.

    http://wreg.com/2015/04/04/churches-gathered-at-autozone-park-for-massive-prayer/

  • UmustBKiddinMe

    What a great example of how truly fortunate we are to live in the US. Two groups, with completely opposite views, are allowed to peacefully meet and share their beliefs. There are so many places where that would not be possible.

  • TedCrunch

    A four-day event to make a scene about something that doesn’t even exist. That’s what the atheists did. They did succeed, however, in drawing many Christians into the city to lift up the name of Jesus and to exalt him. This Christian event wouldn’t have happened if it wasn’t for the atheists. Good work, you unbelievers!

  • Reason2012

    People continue to prove Christ is the truth: it’s the only “religion” met with the utmost hatred and disdain. You can_kill thousand of Americans in the name of a false religion (i.e., something that’s still only ‘of the world’) and they’ll bend over backwards to help you build a church where you did it. Dare hand out a tract about Christ? Be met with the utmost of hatred.

    John 15:18-19 “[Jesus said] If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.”

    • Paul Hiett

      The atheist convention had nothing to do with Christianity, or any religion for that matter. That seems to be something Christians have a hard time understanding…that atheists don’t just disbelieve in the Christian deity, we have no belief of any deity, period.

      Why you folks think this is a direct attack on your religion is beyond me. Are you so insecure that some people meeting up about not believing in any religion is a threat to you somehow?

      • Reason2012

        Might want to check the facts before you attempt to make false claims.

        “The idea is that people assume that everybody in Memphis is a Christian. But, there are a lot of atheists here and these atheists feel oppressed by the Christian majority,” added President David Silverman to MyFox Memphis.

        a showing of the film “God’s Not Dead” [Christian movie] was presented with live mockery from comedians Trace Beaulieu and Frank Conniff.

        Atheist “activist training” sessions were held as well, with a number of workshops for attendees.

        • Paul Hiett

          But again, atheism doesn’t just disbelieve in Christianity…we have no beliefs to support any religion, no belief in any deity at all. Yours is just one of thousands.

          However, the reason you have this perception is because Christianity is, obviously, the predominant religion in America. Ergo, any group that has a different belief than yours is going to stand out.

          FYI, people who believe differently than you aren’t attacking you.

          And as for “God is Dead”, have you seen it? It’s one of the worst movies to ever be filmed. I predicted almost everything in it, other than the professor dying. Extremely cliche, not to mention being down right full of crap. I could easily pick apart everything that happens in that movie as utter nonsense.

          • Reason2012

            Paul says “The atheist convention had nothing to do with Christianity” (emphasis mine)

            [posts facts of how it had to do with nothing BUT attacking Christianity]

            “[ignoring that his lie was just exposed] Well – atheism doesn’t just disbelieve in Christianity”

            All he while ignoring your lie was just exposed.

            Thanks for showing everyone else how dishonest atheists typically are on the subject.

            “FYI, people who believe differently than you aren’t attacking you.”

            FYI showing a Christian movie then mocking it IS attacking Christians.

            Thank you for continuing to prove how disingenuous you are – that you can’t even be honest on the most blatant of facts.

          • Paul Hiett

            Once again, to point out this somehow obscure fact…atheists do not just disbelieve in your deity. Why are you having a hard time understanding this?

            Nothing I have said is a lie, period. I’m simply pointing out the facts to you, but you are unwilling to accept the facts.

            Also, wouldn’t make more sense for an atheist convention in a predominantly Christian nation deal more on living as an atheist in a Christian nation? Would you expect them to discuss how to live with Taoists? Sikhs?

            Also, again, have you seen “God is not dead”??? It deals with people living here in America, dealing with religion, and suggests that your deity is real and active in our every day lives, to the point of absurdity. Of course it’s going to be shown.

            You folks mock atheists every day…for some reason you seem to think this is mocking Christianity (it’s not, but whatever, ok), so why is mocking atheists tolerated, but you take offense if someone else does it to you?

          • Lark62

            Have you seem how badly atheists were stereotyped and misrepresented inthat movie? There is nothing wrong with meeting rudeness and lies with humor.

          • Reason2012

            No, it was ONE atheist and there are some that DO act that way and come off with such hate towards Christians, so it was addressed.
            Mocking, more so via paid comedians how are there ONLY to mock is quite another story.

    • uzza

      it’s the only “religion” met with the utmost hatred and disdain’

      Tell that to the people in Central African Republic:
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/tens-of-thousands-of-muslims-flee-christian-militias-in-central-african-republic/2014/02/07/5a1adbb2-9032-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html

      • Reason2012

        No, I’m not talking about defending yourself against islamists who will behead Christians daily, and then instead publishing testimonies of islamists who condone the beheading of Christians.

        Not to mention that not everyone that claims to be Christian is a Christian.

        And why is it we bend over backwards to build an islamist mosque where they slaughtered thousands of Americans on 9/11?

        Hand out a tract mentioning Christ? Met with hatred.

  • Ken Loukinen

    I’ve seen photos of tens of.. Christians not quite filling a section of seats. Is there a photo of more than 100?

  • Robin Bass

    born again Jews? I’m pretty sure if you’re ‘born again’…you’ve become a Christian…just saying

  • gregkliebigsr

    I LOVE YOU JESUS! I LOVE YOU MY LORD!

    SO I WORSHIP YOUR LORD! I PRAISE YOU LORD! I LIFT MY VOICE IN WORSHIP UNTO YOU LORD, I LIFT MY HEART UNTO YOU, I LIFT MY HANDS UNTO YOU MY LORD , I WILLINGLY WORSHIP YOU MY LORD, FOR YOU SEEK SUCH TO WORSHIP YOU!!!

    JESUS (YESHUA) YOU ARE WORTHY OF ALL MY LOVE !! THERE IS NONE LIKE YOU!!! FOR YOU ALONE ARE THE GOD OF ALL CREATION!! AMEN!!

    IF YOU TRULY LOVE SOMEONE , WILL YOU HURT THEM?

    WHY NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT!

    • Shaun Keefe

      “IF YOU TRULY LOVE SOMEONE , WILL YOU HURT THEM?
      WHY NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT!”

      Then explain the concept of Hell.

      • Paul Hiett

        Oh deers…

    • Michael Deaton

      One tenth of one inch is all it would take to make yourself look less stupid.

      That’s literally all the space you need to cover with your left pinky finger to turn off your caps lock key.

  • John Metcalf

    The Ignorance “FAIL” is huge here

  • Jefferson_Lebowski

    Some Christians are so insecure about their faith in the face of serious skepticism that they have to depart from their daily lives and bother with the doubters.

    You Christians are so unlike your Christ.

  • Jackie Gallegos

    So, how many atheists were there? How many unsaved souls attended this massive meeting? How can any one in their right mind worship the devil, the root of all evil. A person has to be really insane to want to burn in hell for eternity just to have status, or wealth or whatever it is they are missing in their life. I pray for all these misguided souls that they are gambling with their eternal souls for a moment’s pleasure. God bless all of you.

    • Lark62

      Newsflash Atheists don’t believe in the devil either, or any make belive invisible boogie men.

      And goggle Pascal’s wager. You’d better start worshiping the other 3000 gods worshipped around the world, too, just to be safe.

  • ThoughtCrimeinProgress

    So, of all the times and the places which American Atheists could have had their convention, it had to be somewhere close to and at the same time as the Memphis Exalts Jesus event.

    Right, no desire for competition or confrontation there.

    • Gehennah

      80% (give or take) of the US is Christian. It is unlikely that any AA event will take place in a time and location where there won’t be a Christian event somewhere.

      • ThoughtCrimeinProgress

        Gehennah said: “80% (give or take) of the US is Christian. It is unlikely that any AA event will take place in a time and location where there won’t be a Christian event somewhere.”

        Nonsense. Pure nonsense. Christian events are not that common.

        I’m surprised you could post this comment without a “lol” in it.

        • Gehennah

          Christian events happen all the time. Now they may range in size and location, but they are fairly common. I am including weekly services, in this, as well as fund raisers, bake sales, and many other larger events.

          • ThoughtCrimeinProgress

            Gehennah said: “Christian events happen all the time. Now they may range in size and location, but they are fairly common. I am including weekly services, in this, as well as fund raisers, bake sales, and many other larger events.”

            Again, pure nonsense. I’m talking about Christian events like the Memphis Exalts Jesus event, pursuant to the subject matter at hand. In contrast, you are stretching the definition of “Christian event” in your counterpoint to force a point.

          • Gehennah

            So we were talking about two different types of events.

            The gatherings such as you describe, yeah they aren’t as common. But do you honestly expect them to need to weave through every single event going on in a city before deciding to host one?

            Multiple events go on in cities all of the time sometimes they are related, sometimes not.

          • ThoughtCrimeinProgress

            Gehennah said: “But do you honestly expect them to need to weave through every single event going on in a city before deciding to host one?

            Multiple events go on in cities all of the time sometimes they are related, sometimes not.”

            And … we just traveled in a circle here. See my original comment.

          • Gehennah

            Again, you assume there was a desire for confrontation. There is something called coincidence and there is no reason to have to check every convention in town.

            Your point is unsubstantiated.

          • Lark62

            Not only must we avoid every day and time when christians are meeting, we must avoid every date and time when they might choose to meet even though they have no plans as yet. Sounds fair … if you’re a self absorbed hypocrite.

          • Gehennah

            Of course. But if you also believe that you have an all mighty being watching out just over you, then perhaps you are a bit self absorbed to begin with.

          • Lark62

            Mother Mary full of grace
            Help me find a parking space

    • Lark62

      Reading comprehension. The “Memphis exalts jesus” event was in response to the atheist event. How dare those atheists hold 4 day convention at the same time as the 4 hour event that wasn’t planned until the atheists booked their convention? Nervy.

  • Tj Evans

    I can’t believe this post brought out so many atheists. Why do you people worry so much about Christian’s? Do you really hate Christian’s so much that you stalk them to attack whenever you can. Is your life that miserable? You prove by your hate that evolution can’t exist because by now we should have evolved into something better than this. Really, this kind of hatred has been around since the beginning of time.

    • Matt Dillahunty

      I don’t hate Christians, I hate misinformation, irrationality, poor reasoning and dishonesty. It’s not my fault if people are lying or exaggerating on behalf of their religious convictions.

      It’s ironic that you ask why we “worry so much about Christian’s” (it’s “Christians”, with no apostrophe)…when this article is about some Christians who organized a small rally in opposition to the fact that atheists were having a convention.

      In case you don’t understand irony, the point is that we held a conference and could have easily asked why they “worry so much about atheists” that the would organize a counter-rally…and now, when they seem to be fudging the numbers and we point it out, you try to act as if we’re the ones with a problem.

    • Lark62

      Here is an article bragging about 4000 christians gathering solely in response to atheists going about their business, and they’re stalking you? Self awareness is your friend.

    • Parque_Hundido

      Actually, it’s more that we despise your superstitious thinking. And your crippling inability to use apostrophes.

      • Tj Evans

        Bertrand Russell, a famous atheist philosopher, offered this sad description of hopelessness without Christ: “Brief and powerless is Man’s life; on him and all his race, the slow, sure doom falls pitiless and dark

        • Parque_Hundido

          Donna Summer, disco diva, said “someone left that cake out in the rain. I don’t think that I can take it, because it took so long to bake it and I’ll never have that recipe again.” That’s a lot of angst about a cake.

          Should we conclude that without Christ, our baking efforts are doomed? That is the argument you are making. This is why we look down on you as superstitious fools. This is why it’s so hard to listen to anything you say and keep a straight face.

          • Tj Evans

            Well, there you have it, Jesus offers hope, you don’t want it. I’ll say no more.

  • Kachina

    Atheist are in for a rude awakening and so are Christians, Jews, Muslims when they finally discover they have all been fools. Humans fighting over whose God is bigger and better are like watching rotten spoiled little children fight over transformer toys. Religion is man made and has been a curse of humanity since its creation. Man Created God in their own Image along with religion so please can we all grow up and accept one Rule, ‘To Each Their Own’ but leave the rest of US alone with your beliefs..we have our own. What a disappointment humanity must be to God~