Barbaric Islamic Group ISIS Claims Responsibility for Attack on Texas ‘Draw Muhammad’ Contest

Soofi-SimpsonDALLAS, Texas — The barbaric Islamic group ISIS, which identifies itself as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, has claimed responsibility for Sunday night’s attack on the “Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest” in Texas.

The group put out a statement on Al Bayan radio on Tuesday, declaring that “two soldiers of the caliphate” had struck the event in Garland, and threatening worse violence upon the nation.

“We say to the defenders of the cross, the U.S., that future attacks are going to be harsher and worse,” the statement read. “The Islamic State soldiers will inflict harm on you with the grace of Allah. The future is just around the corner.”

As previously reported, the incident occurred on Sunday evening just as the exhibit and contest was coming to a conclusion. The event was organized by the New York-based American Freedom Initiative, led by Pamela Geller, who identifies as Jewish and regularly speaks against Islam. She has become known in recent years for her legal battles to place advertisements decrying Islam and exposing violent texts in the Koran in subways and other transportation systems.

Geller was one of the speakers at Sunday’s event, as well as Dutch politician Geert Wilders, who is stated to be on an al-Qaeda hit list. Approximately 200 people were attending the exhibit and contest, which displayed submissions from across the nation depicting the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The winner was to receive $10,000.

Geller had obtained security for the event, and metal detectors were used to screen ticket holders. Only those who had tickets were allowed to enter the exhibit and contest.

At approximately 7:00 p.m. local time, two men, who have been identified as Elton Simpson and roommate Nadir Soofi of Arizona, drove up to the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland and began shooting at a security officer. Police officers who were on duty for extra security then returned the gunfire with the suspects, fatally wounding them.

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“The first suspect was shot immediately,” Mayor Douglas Athas explained to CNN. “The second suspect was wounded and reached for his backpack. He was shot again.”

Simpson, who had previously been investigated on terror suspicions, is believed to be behind the social media warning that was published just 15 minutes before the shooting took place.

“The bro with me and myself have given bay’ah to Amirul Mu’mineen,” the Tweet, written under the profile name “Shariah is Light,” read. “May Allah accept us as mujahideen (jihadists). Make dua. #texasattack.”

According to ABC News, ISIS sympathizers had been calling for attacks on the event for the past week, pointing to the Charlie Hebdo shootings in France, and urging the U.S. “brothers” to likewise.

However, while ISIS has claimed responsibility for the violence on Sunday, some believe that Simpson and Soofi were lone gunmen who acted on their own will without personal direction from the Islamic group.

“They may not have had formal contact [with ISIS]. They may have had email communication or read communications from ISIS, but I don’t think they were directed by ISIS,” former FBI agent Clemente told CNN.

“I think it’s the other way around—they were kind of applying for membership into ISIS,” he said. “And so they were doing this act—sent out the Tweet in advance—because if they know there’s a possibility they’re not going to make it out of this, then they can’t give recognition to what they were trying to do after the fact.”


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  • Peter Leh

    highly doubtful ISIS was behind the attack in Garland

    • Paul Hiett

      I would agree, they’re just jumping on it to garner some publicity and make us think they are now here and rising up.

      • Peter Leh

        if those two are the best isis has then we have little to worried about. 🙂

  • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

    Something definitely smells rotten here. The event was organized by Pamela Geller who identifies as a Jew…. The event described sounds highly inflammatory to begin with. This looks like just another staged event to try to stir emotion against Islam in this country to help promote the furtherance of the endless “war on terror.” It quit working on me a long time ago. Islam is a wicked false religion, but Judaism is even worse, horribly blaspheming the Lord Jesus Christ in the Talmud.

    ISIS may be barbaric, but what about someone who organizes an event to specifically poke fun at someone else’s beliefs? Or maybe I’m just misunderstanding what the true purpose of an event where you draw “cartoons” of another religion’s major prophet is.

    • Paul Hiett

      Free speech. You may not like what the other person has to say, but you should respect their right to say it.

      • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

        Where in my post did I say that someone should not be allowed to say something? Please don’t try to entangle me in a long and unfruitful conversation that goes nowhere again. The rhetorical question I asked was “what about someone who organizes an event to specifically poke fun at someone else’s beliefs?” Meaning: if we’re going to call one group barbaric for it’s response, I’d call the other group an instigator in this instance. But then again, I think the whole thing is a staged event, anyway.

        • Paul Hiett

          “ISIS may be barbaric, but what about someone who organizes an event to specifically poke fun at someone else’s beliefs? Or maybe I’m just misunderstanding what the true purpose of an event where you draw “cartoons” of another religion’s major prophet is.”

          I’m simply pointing out that it really doesn’t matter what the event is. Free speech is free speech, and we should support it, regardless of our personal opinions on the subject matter.

          Of course it was a direct “insult” to Islam, I don’t think anyone could argue it wasn’t. But, there will always be things said we don’t like or agree with. In other countries, their laws are different, but Muslims need to accept that here in the US, a person can say just about anything they want.

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            Reread my previous response, where I quote myself saying the exact same thing you did and explain it for you. It has nothing to do with whether they have the right to do it or not, it has to do with the labels being applied.

          • Paul Hiett

            Your final sentence was a question, I was addressing you regarding that part. My apologies if it did not appear that way.

          • FoJC_Forever

            You may or may not be familiar with Paul Hiett, and those like him that come to this site. His specialty is long fruitless discussions, especially if you specifically point out you aren’t interested in them. He will just go on and on, because he knows it gets on your nerves.

            He’s articulate, to a degree, but he reminds be more of an adolescence, than a mature adult.

          • Paul Hiett

            Wow, FoJC…right to the insults I see. No worries, between you and Richard, I’m used to it.

          • FoJC_Forever

            Not an insult at all, I’m merely speaking the Truth.

          • Paul Hiett

            You really think I’m the one who acts like an adolescent, considering the things that many Christians on here say to me and others who happen to be atheists, or homosexuals? We’re constantly called liars, perverts, deviants…we’re insulted on a daily basis, and yet we refuse to stoop to that level, and instead continue to respond with articulate, thought out points to debate in.

            I really don’t understand why you folk have to constantly go to that level. I hardly think I could be considered “adolescent” in light of that fact.

          • FoJC_Forever

            Your reasoning is often basic and emulates that of an unlearned child who wants to be treated and talked to as an adult.

          • Paul Hiett

            You mean I stand by what I say, which just so happens to disagree with your ideology, which you then try to dismiss as “childish”. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion.

          • weasel1886

            ISIS speaks the truth according to them

          • FoJC_Forever

            Many like to compare Christianity to Islam, but the two are as opposite as being a homosexual or an atheist and being a Christian.

            The real comparison is that all those who don’t know and love Jesus (the) Christ, receiving His Salvation, are all on the same side, Muslims included.

          • weasel1886

            Every faith thinks they have all the answers and wveryone else is wrong. That has been what has lead to unbelivible evil on all sides

          • FoJC_Forever

            Incorrect, there are many religions which are “accepting” of other religions.

            If you wanted to know the Truth, Jesus (the) Christ, then you would be seeking Him. The reality is that you’re just one of billions who want to do and know things your own way, rather than the Righteous Way.

          • weasel1886

            Thanks

    • bowie1

      I believe according to the news they may have been ISIS inspired.

      • Paul Hiett

        And we’ll probably see more of these attacks soon.

    • FoJC_Forever

      Yes, I don’t believe organizing an event to merely poke fun or ridicule any religion, or person for that matter, is constructive. This is especially true about a group known for being violent and murderous, which is the case with Islam.

      While I don’t want to stifle free speech, because I too want the freedom to tell people the Truth, I also think we need to use Wisdom about what we say and about whom we say it.

      ISIS may be taking credit for the attack, but they may not actually be behind it.

      • Paul Hiett

        Isn’t this exactly what stifling free speech is, though? Where do we draw the line about what we can say and what?

        • FoJC_Forever

          No, and those who know Wisdom, Jesus (the) Christ, have the Holy Spirit to guide us.

          • Paul Hiett

            I’m not sure what you mean by that. Free speech, here in the US, gives us the right to say (which includes drawings/cartoons, etc) almost whatever we want. Regardless of how anyone feels about what is said, the import thing is that we continue to have the right to say it.

            I HATE (and mind you I don’t use that word liberally) the Westboro Baptist Church and what they do, but I do respect (and fought for) their right to say it, as contemptuous as they are.

          • FoJC_Forever

            Wisdom is closed to you, because you have rejected Jesus (the) Christ. It isn’t surprising to me, even expected, that you don’t have any understanding about being led by the Holy Spirit, thus being led by Wisdom.

            Self regulation isn’t removing the right of free speech from anyone, merely making certain words spoken or typed and actions taken are according to God’s Will and Word.

          • Paul Hiett

            When you assert that you only will allow those things to be said that support your own particular choice of a religion, then yes, you are removing free speech as we know it.

      • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

        Well, I have no proof, obviously, but personally I think it’s more propaganda to get people stirred up against Islam, to further the endless “war on terror”, and expand current operations. Not that they need our permission to do any of that, but the more public opinion is behind them, the easier it is.

        Even if ISIS is responsible, who would set up an event that basically has the sole purpose of belittling another religion, and have a prize of $10,000 on top of all of that? Toss in the fact that the organizer is a Jew, which is a group who has much to gain by further US involvement with and against the Islamic world, and the pieces all fit.

        • FoJC_Forever

          I don’t support removing our involvement in monitoring ISIS and other Islamic groups for potential violence. They have proven and made it clear they want world domination, and will murder anyone to further that goal. Their religion isn’t a pagan one and the spirits which drive them are evil. While the government cannot focus on the spiritual aspect of Islamic groups who are trying to push their will and religion on everyone, they do need to continue to stand against their use of military force against those they deem worthy of killing.

          While I won’t applaud the people involved in this cartoon convention, I would not support restricting their legal rights either. Christians need to be wary of supporting groups or themselves merely “speaking out” against Islam for the sole purpose of agitating and attacking Muslims. What people need to hear are the evil realities of Islam and that it is not a religion of peace, even though passive Muslims are not overtly violent.

    • James Von Borcke

      “ISIS may be barbaric, but what about someone who organizes an event to specifically poke fun at someone else’s beliefs?”

      A belief that encourages anti-societal acts (from terrorism to bigotry) deserves to be poked at.

      • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

        Show me in the Bible where we are supposed to make fun of people. How about giving them the gospel and getting them saved? Then maybe they’ll stop thinking they are doing God a service by killing people.

        • James Von Borcke

          “Show me in the Bible where we are supposed to make fun of people.”

          Being that this is America, it is the Constitution, not the Bible, that matters in this issue (though the Bible itself does a fair job of demonizing and belittling ‘the other’ time and time again). No belief is shielded from critique, be it Islam, Judaism, Christianity or any other. If a religion is placed above such criticism, then it has gained a special status above all others and I am no longer free to speak my mind or express my thoughts (two of our federally protected civil rights).

          Now, is it possible (even likely) that the person that organized this event is the sort to intentionally stir up trouble? Yes, indeed. (And let’s not forget that her own religion is chock-full of all sorts of strange oddities as well, which Christians around the world have gladly and openly attacked for centuries.) However, that does not mean that the idea that she is focusing on at this specific event (that we Americans are not bound by the limitations imposed by religious laws nor the offense of those who hold those religions to be true) is wrong.

          Put simply, the same book (the Quran) that says that one cannot draw an image of Muhammad also says that one cannot eat pork… Will they start shooting at us for doing that, too? Both, after all, are blasphemies in their eyes, and someone drawing a picture of Muhammad is as much a heretic as someone eating a BLT.

          My only question about Pamella Geller is whether she understands and accepts that this freedom to criticize goes both ways, or will she get all in a huff when someone points out the flaws and absurdities within her own mythological texts?

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            I’m sorry, this is a Christian news site and I just assume most people I talk to here either are Christians, or are claiming to be Christian (though they still may not be).

            If you don’t have the Bible as your guide to right and wrong, that does leave just the Constitution, which was designed for a people who had a God, thus made no attempt to govern morality. Of course, as America as a whole moves away from Christianity (or at least respect for the Bible-it’s always been a narrow gate), the government continues to encroach into God’s territory, of necessity.

            The Bible does mock false religion, you are correct. But nowhere does it instruct us to do so. If there is an absolute truth (just like 2 plus 2 always equals 4), then anything else (like 2 plus 2 equals 5) is a lie. There are a lot of false answers to 2 plus 2, and only one true answer. And the Bible has no tolerance for false religions, or any other lies. There is a difference between hating false religion, and hating all of it’s followers, though.

            I don’t hate all Muslims, neither do I hate all Jews. I do hate both of these religions, because they are lies, and they are leading people to hell. And, I believe the Bible does support this attitude:

            Psalm 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

          • James Von Borcke

            “If you don’t have the Bible as your guide to right and wrong, that does leave just the Constitution, which was designed for a people who had a God, thus made no attempt to govern morality.”

            Yes, they did have a God, though for the most famous and important of them (Paine, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison and Adams), this was the Deist god, not the Old Testament God. If you ever get a chance, read the Jefferson Bible; while regarding himself as a Christian, you’ll find that his perception of Jesus (as a teacher of morals, not a savior who performed miracles) is considered heretical by most Christians, particularly those of the political-right persuasion.

            “Of course, as America as a whole moves away from Christianity (or at least respect for the Bible-it’s always been a narrow gate), the government continues to encroach into God’s territory, of necessity.”

            I’ve found that the leading cause of people leaving Christianity is from not believing those parts of the Bible which have nothing to do with Christ (such as the Old Testament as well as the writings of Saul and St John). Anti-Intellectualism (such as the rejection of science which contradicts biblical creation, as well as environmental concerns) is another leading cause. On the other hand, my congregation, which recognizes that the Gospels are the only place to find the teachings of Christ, is growing.

            “The Bible does mock false religion, you are correct. But nowhere does it instruct us to do so.”

            And referring to other people’s beliefs as ‘false religion’ isn’t mocking them ~yourself~? If everyone’s faith other than your own is false, then what care you if we draw pictures of Muhammad? It’s just a false religion, after all?

            “…and they are leading people to hell.”

            But not you! Oh, no… You’re special and have all the right answers.

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            Science does not contradict the Bible. “Science falsely so-called” contradicts the Bible. The big bang theory and evolution are no more scientific than Dr. Seuss. It is a belief system held to with ardor or faith. Why do think the primary battleground for most evolutionists is on forums like this…RELIGIOUS forums. It’s not that they overwhelming evidence (even though they claim to). They have overwhelming ardor and faith in their belief system. We’ve never observed anything blow up and swirl together a solar system, nor have we ever observed a heavily mutated, transitional species in either everyday life or the fossil record. And even if we did, they would not be fit enough to carry on, thus the whole framework of “survival of the fittest” kind of falls apart.

            The reason people are leaving churches is because the children are indoctrinated into this belief system from a very young age by the public school system, and the church by and large is afraid to offend people with the truth–that evolution is a fraud.

            And, no, I don’t have all the answers. I believe the Bible does, however. It’s not that I am better than anyone else. The Bible says whosoever believes on Jesus (trusts him for salvation) has everlasting life.

            Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

          • James Von Borcke

            “Science does not contradict the Bible.”

            Case in point… One of our Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson, was a geologist as well as most everything else he’s known for. As a geologist, he had cause to write numerous papers regarding this field of study. In his papers, he expresses acceptance regarding the age of the earth being in the millions of years (at minimum).

            Now, when you stated earlier that the Constitution was written for people who already had religion, and being that you (incorrectly, but let’s go with it for now) claim that science is a religious belief, then I ask: What religion did the people the Constitition was written for subscribe to? Wouldn’t that religion be the one held by the people that wrote it? The intellectuals and scholars who were Deists and men of science and reason? People whose beliefs were often not Christian or, in the case of Thomas Paine, were openly opposed to Christianity?

            If both of these arguments (Constitution written for religious people and science is a religion) are true, then you are admitting that the United States is a scientific nation rather than a Christian one because the men who conceived of its founding principles were scientific minded. You can’t have it both ways.

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            I never said science is a religion. I said evolution is a religion. Big difference. Physics and Chemistry= REAL science. Evolution=FAKE science.

            What’s the difference? Physics and Chemistry can be tested, observed and proven. Evolution cannot. Evolution is exactly what the Bible had in mind in this verse:

            1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

            That was written a couple of thousand years ago. Apparently people calling their religion “science” falsely is nothing new.

          • James Von Borcke

            “I never said science is a religion. I said evolution is a religion.
            Big difference. Physics and Chemistry= REAL science. Evolution=FAKE
            science.”

            Geology affirms billions of years of terrestrial existence. Genetics (chemistry) affirms common descent. Physics affirms the Big Bang. Biology affirms common descent. Psychiatry affirms common descent. Astronomy affirms the Big Bang; Close-Earth Astronomy confirms planet formation. Zoology affirms common descent. Mathematics affirms everything else. The list goes on and on.

            If you have a problem with Evolution, then you have a problem with everything else. If you don’t have a problem with everything else, then you have a ~philosophical~ issue with Evolution and have chosen to reject it despite the facts.

            “Apparently people calling their religion “science” falsely is nothing new.”

            Yes, you’re right. Anti-Intellectualism is nothing new. It’s been around longer than Christianity has, in fact, and was especially predominant in Jewish tradition, and the Catholic Church promoted it like no other for nearly 800 years. Indeed, my own particular branch of Christianity was deemed a heresy and persecuted by ~Christians~ due to that same social disorder.

            Consequently, the very social disorder your own branch waves about as a virtue, like you just did.

            And do beware English translations of 2nd Century texts. Don’t let the translator’s personal biases cloud your judgment.

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            All those things would affirm evolution if and only if the dating methods used and all the other assumptions are accurate. And there are a lot of assumptions…such as uniformitarianism…that for millions of years decay rates of chemicals, etc have always been constant.

            I’m not getting into a long debate about this, because I’ve wasted hours and hours debating evolutionists in the past, and it goes nowhere.

            It’s not anti-intellectual to believe the world is created instead of it just blew up and magically swirled itself together and then life spontaneously generated somehow. In my opinion, it’s anti-intellectual to believe in evolution. But I realize there is a lot of indoctrination at work….schools, television, society, etc. If I drive up to a house, it’s obvious from the way it’s designed that someone built it, it’s a stretch to believe a pile of lumber blew up and there’s a house all of a sudden…a big stretch.

            But believe what you want. Anyway, this is my final note. I’ve wasted a lot of time in my life debating about evolution. It’s the word of God that changes someone, not intellectualism.

            And like the Muslims and Jews, I don’t hate you….I do hate your false religion. And yes, whether you like it or not, evolution is a religion. It’s not all raw data, there are a lot of presuppositions that are made and a lot of theorizing. Because no one was around for the supposed millions of years to record and observe what they are supposing happened.

          • James Von Borcke

            “I’m not getting into a long debate about this, because I’ve wasted hours and hours debating evolutionists in the past, and it goes nowhere.”

            Agreed… It seems that no matter how much evidence I present to Creationists, all they ever do is simply dismiss it and then say that there is no evidence. Utter waste of time.

            “It’s not anti-intellectual to believe the world is created instead of it just blew up and magically swirled itself together and then life spontaneously generated somehow”

            I think you’re mistaken… Scientific inquiry simply hasn’t uncovered ~why~ that happened. Could it have been God’s doing? I certainly think so. If we do find some natural causation, could ~that~ have been God’s doing? It will be a long time before we settle that issue, but even if we find a natural causation, would that causation be, in effect, God?

            But let’s try this instead… A human being is not born as a full-sized adult. They are born as babies that have the be nurtured and matured, guided and taught, until the baby has grown into an adult capable of tending to its own needs and wants.

            Now, follow that same pattern ever-outward, and you can see it repeating itself, like a fractal, starting at the micro-second the Big Bang started until this very moment, without break or fail.

            You say this is agnostic? Well, I say that I can see the hand of the Creator in every wondrous facet of this magnificent Creation.

            So the universe is bigger and grander than was thought by a band of desert nomads; does that not make God that much bigger and grander?

            “Anyway, this is my final note. I’ve wasted a lot of time in my life debating about evolution.”

            So you don’t want to debate evolution any more, but then follow it up with a paragraph-long list of Creationist arguments? Twice?

            Well, fine, I can deal with that being your final word, and this shall be mine… (Unless someone else chooses to retort.)

            Creationism is the proposition that the Almighty Architect has chosen in His Sovereignty to use His Creation to lie to everyone in every way possible, but then told the truth ~only~ to a small band of primitive, illiterate and superstitious barbarians wondering about in the desert, who would then keep that truth as an Oral Tradition for hundreds (if not thousands) of years without alteration before writing it down (once they learned how from the Greeks and Persians), simply for the purpose of testing the faith of future generations in a trial which will unavoidably end with hardships and never-ending cruelty for those who fail. The absurdity of the proposition belittles Humanity to the role of lab rats while simultaneously accusing the Creator of being forever untrustworthy, immeasurably cruel, and eternally unworthy of our respect, let alone the devotion and praise we are expected to provide not only in this life, but for ever and ever and ever.

            Now, you can have this faith if you wish; it’s certainly your right. But it is not a proposition that one must accept to enter Grace with Christ. And it certainly has no place in science class.

          • James Von Borcke

            “I’m sorry, this is a Christian news site and I just assume most people I talk to here either are Christians, or are claiming to be Christian (though they still may not be).”

            Actually, I skipped this before but I think I’ll address it now…

            I do not find this site to be a Christian news site; rather, it is a Christian Conservative site. In addition, as a ‘news’ site, I find that it fails. The articles often omit facts and gloss over details that, once known, discredit the “We’re being persecuted!” narrative that is so popular with the Religious Right. It is also heavily tilted towards anti-intellectualism, and promotes the continued undermining of constitutional law in order to achieve theocratical goals. And its presentation of concepts like ‘patriotism’ and ‘national pride’ seem more akin to the Confederacy than it does to the United States.

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            If you’re looking for totally unbiased news, good luck. ALL major news sources omit facts and misrepresent certain aspects either willfully or accidentally. Most of the time, it is willful to sway public opinion. All people automatically fit what they see and hear into their own paradigm of the world. When I was not a Christian, I perceived a huge Christian majority running our country. When I actually became a Christian, I perceived the opposite. Then after 20 years of reading, observing, reading the Bible, talking to people, my perception has changed even more. This is called human nature. You are not immune from personal biases, neither am I.

            Intellectualism is a pretty loose term these days, but in your case, you have a mold that a person has to fit in to be an intellectual. I probably wouldn’t qualify right off the bat because I believe the Bible. Because in your mind you think people that believe that Bible aren’t that smart. The reason you probably believe this is another paradigm that you have been sold…..the public schools and universities “educate” people….”education” does not teach anything Biblical, in fact it teaches a humanistic, agnostic belief system complete with it’s own creation story, evolution. Evolution is not really science, because it doesn’t even pass the scientific method, and is not observable, testable, or provable, yet, it is called science. So in your mind evolution is “scientific” because an “education” system that has as it’s stated goal making people smarter, tells you that it is. And “educated” people are those who come out of schools, with the person with the most schooling being the most educated of all, and thus, in your paradigm, the smartest. After years of indoctrination with a humanistic, agnostic and evolutionary belief system, it would be surprising if that person could actually be other than an agnostic humanist that believes in evolution.

            Maybe I’m wrong on all counts, but I suspect I’m partially right. All of the above is rhetoric, however. The “education” system has largely abandoned any kind of meaningful education in favor of teaching agendas. Just because they teach something in a classroom does not make it the truth. And just because someone spends years regurgitating information they’ve been taught does not make them any more intelligent or intellectual. In fact, education has little to do with actual intelligence.

            But anyway, now that I’ve turned loose of all that, if you think this forum is so anti-intellectual why do you bother coming here? I don’t go on Atheist forums. Admittedly, though, I do go out and knock on their doors to try and give them the gospel.

          • James Von Borcke

            “If you’re looking for totally unbiased news, good luck. ALL major news sources omit facts and misrepresent certain aspects either willfully or accidentally.”

            Yes, but I know the difference between political spin and outright lying. In this case, the lies are intended (on the greater half) to rouse up anger and fear, which is always on the verge of exploding into violence and (on the lesser half) generate income by promoting a wedge issue out of something that’s settled both as science and as Constitutional law.

            “When I was not a Christian, I perceived a huge Christian majority running our country. When I actually became a Christian, I perceived the opposite.”

            That’s because you adopted a form of Christianity that is just as radical in its political and social views as ISIS, and our Founding Fathers saw fit to create a system of government that, if upheld, prevents from happening here what is happening in the Middle East.

            All the while, looking back into the history of this nation, we can see that very form is the root cause of many of our societal ills: Slavery, Jim Crow, Segregation, the KKK, the subjugation of women, the genocide of the Native Indians, the defunding of education (bringing it to near collapse, thus dragging down our business economy in the process), opposition to scientific inquiry, and even medicine.

            At every major human rights issue, Christian Conservatives have been on the wrong side without fail (while the winning side has ~always~ been a coalition of varied-religious and non-religious people trying to live together). About the only thing Christian Conservatives ~do~ support is the utter destruction of God’s own creation through the exploitation and squandering of our dwindling space and resources in the unbridled pursuit of wealth (Greed, it’s said, is a deadly sin).

            “Intellectualism is a pretty loose term these days, but in your case, you have a mold that a person has to fit in to be an intellectual.”

            Well, thank you.

            “…”education” does not teach anything Biblical…”

            Nor should it. The secular principles which keep the Bible out of the public schools are the same principles that keep the Quran and Torah out. Do you want your children saying Muslim prayers in school even though it’s against your views? For that matter, would you want In “Allah We Trust” on our money? Or “one nation, under Odin” in our Pledge of Allegiance?

            I don’t want the government telling me how I have to follow Christ; I’ve found my own path into that light. And my views on that are in line with our nation’s Founding Fathers, who quite often spoke about how the relationship between an individual and God was a personal matter in which the state should neither promote nor deny. Thomas Jefferson even once stated that it didn’t matter to him if his neighbor had twenty gods or was an atheist; and he is regarded as the architect of America’s religious freedom.

            “…in fact it teaches a humanistic…”

            Might I ask, what issue with humanism itself do you take issue with? The part about working together as a cooperative species? The part about treating people with kindness and respect? The part about striving towards peace? I’ve never understand what the objection towards humanism is all about. After all, if you look at Humanism itself, you have a philosophy that matches what was taught by Jesus during his ministry. If two groups of people are trying to be good neighbors, where’s the problem?

            See, I (like Jefferson) have no issue with living with or amongst people who don’t share my faith. The fact is, ~everybody~ has their individual world view, be it religious or philosophical; even someone that goes to your own church may believe ~mostly~ as you do, but may have a rule or two they’re willing to bend on, while you probably have a few yourself. My concern, therefore, is not about whether or not my neighbor shares my religion, but rather on the behavior of the individual that their personal world view condones and inspires.

            Is that not the lesson of the Good Samaritan?

            “But anyway, now that I’ve turned loose of all that, if you think this forum is so anti-intellectual why do you bother coming here?”

            I find it not only anti-intellectual, but anti-secular and therefore anti-Constitutional. And to be perfectly honest, I’m always looking for someone to engage in civil-enough debate (just as there’s a difference between spin and lies, there’s a difference between snark and rudeness).

            And, perhaps, if I can get someone who puts Saul above Jesus to take a closer look at Jesus, then I’ve made the world a better place.

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            You aren’t going to change anyone’s opinion here. You definitely are not going to change mine. I’ve been through the indoctrination campaign of the public schools, TV, and Hollywood. Most of us on here have. You’d be better off going on a forum where people believe the Quaran and trying to convert them rather than us.

          • James Von Borcke

            Well, glad you came back, and glad that you were honest about your unwillingness to approach the issue objectively.

            I am a little disappointed that you didn’t answer my inquiry about your prejudice against Humanism. Was hoping someone would finally tell me what that’s all about.

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            We are objective in that we listen to what God has to say, which hasn’t
            changed in 2000 years rather than what man says which changes virtually
            every day. And what God has said will never change. The only way
            someone could change what I believe is to show me from the Bible that I
            am wrong, which people have done before. But coming here with the
            latest data man presents (which is almost always later found false or
            partially errant) isn’t going to change our beliefs.

            Most American Christians have heard all of your arguments before. It’s impossible to live in America in 2015 and not be confronted with the religion of humanistic evolution. It’s on every TV channel (though I don’t have TV), it’s taught in every public school and university, it’s all over the mainstream media, it’s literally everywhere.

            I was forced to learn humanism and evolution in the public school system….more like indoctrinated into it. Evolution was presented as factual, there was no dissenting opinion or critique allowed. I was forced to learn it to pass Biology class. Even though everything in Biology could be understood as well or better by Creation.

            So when you come to an American Christian forum, you are talking to people who have heard all of your arguments before, and probably even learned them in school (even though it’s a religious belief system in a so called secular environment). It’s not like you are telling us anything we haven’t heard a billion times before.

            Thus, you are wasting your time. The Bible says we have overcome the world. The world refers to the world system and all of it’s beliefs. If you’ve ever listened to Reggae music, it’s what they refer to as Babylon all the time, although Rastafarianism is a false religion, as well; it’s a more mainstream reference you might be familiar with, and it is Biblical, as the Bible describes a latter day “Babylon” that will someday be destroyed.

          • James Von Borcke

            “So when you come to an American Christian forum…”

            A Conservative Christian forum… Being a Christian and an American, I find very little here that the Founding Fathers would have respected, but there is a lot of hate, sectarianism, bigotry, ignorance, etc. Oh, and fear. You people express a lot of fear. Constantly. “They’re coming for our Bibles!” “They’re coming for our guns!” “It’s persecution to not let us be in charge!”

            I find it funny that what the Religious Right fears most is that they’ll be treated the same way they used to treat everyone else when they were calling the shots. It’s almost poetic…

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            Real Christians , have always been persecuted from the Apostle Paul until now. There has never been a time this world has loved Christians and put them in charge. They have put FALSE Christians in charge all throughout history. The Catholic Church, for example, who burned people at the stake for reading the Bible on their own, and for translating the Bible into common languages.

            Joh_15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

            1Jn_3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

            Luk_6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

            You can’t be a Christian if you don’t believe his word. Jesus IS the
            word, made flesh (John 1:1, 1:14). Thus if you say you believe in the
            Lord Jesus Christ and yet believe in evolution, either you haven’t read
            the Bible yet or you are taking man’s word over God’s word, and calling God a liar. Since you claim to be a Christian, here are a few verses for you:

            Exo_20:11
            For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that
            in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the
            sabbath day, and hallowed it.

            God made the world in six days,
            according to the Bible. The Bible also contains genealogies that cover
            from Adam until the time of Christ. Thus you can very closely estimate
            the age of the earth from the Bible at 6,200 years, approximately. Either God is telling the truth, or all these so called scientists are telling the truth when they tell you the universe is millions of years old. The dating methods they use can’t even go back millions of years with any accuracy. It’s all based on circular reasoning and smoke and mirrors, and UNBELIEF. If you listen to a bunch of fools over the word of God, I have to seriously wonder how you claim to be a Christian?

            Psa_53:1 To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

            And as for you wishing ill on your brothers and sisters in Christ (supposedly) the Bible has this to say:

            1Jn 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
            1Jn 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
            1Jn 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

            If you are in Christ, your brothers and sisters are born again Christians. If you hate them, it shows you are not in the light.

          • James Von Borcke

            “Real Christians…”

            I know Christians (and all good neighbors) by their works, whether they believe themselves ‘real’ or not.

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            Christians are saved because of what they believe, not because of their works.

            Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
            Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

            Really good people by our standards can and do go to hell every day because they don’t BELIEVE GOD.

            You see, according to the Bible there is no one good:

            Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
            Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

            Everyone has sinned, and everyone has come short. And there is a just penalty for sin:

            Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

            We have all sinned and the wages of sin is death. And notice, eternal life is a GIFT. You can’t earn eternal life. And “death” means more than just a physical death:

            Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

            The Bible speaks of a “second death” where all sinners go…including all liars….which would include me and probably you. Except that God has provided salvation for us as a free gift, as we saw in Romans 6:23.

            Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

            God loves us, and wants us to be saved. But the gift of salvation is received by BELIEVING on Jesus Christ, who is the word made flesh (John 1:14).

            Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

            Whoever believes on Jesus is saved. But this means more than just believing he existed. The Pharisees of Jesus’ day believed he existed…and most went to hell. You have to believe that he dies, was buried, and rose again, and believe that he will save you based on his promise in his word. If you do not believe that God will save you by just believing, you are not saved, because the Bible says you are calling God a liar:

            1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
            1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

            You have to believe God has given to us eternal life, not life based on our performance, which would be conditional life or temporary life.

            You can receive the gift of salvation by believing God’s word, and calling upon Jesus to save you:

            Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

            Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

            Do you believe the word of God?

          • James Von Borcke

            I head nothing of Saul, St John, the Old Testament, and after the crucifixion. The only place to learn of Christ’s ministry is during the story of his life; the rest is Jewish mythology and political fabrication.

            As for gaining eternal life, give Luke 10:25-37 a read.

            On the other hand, if you believe the ‘word of God’, then Mark 16 states that you should be able to drink a tall cold glass of Draino and burp it off. Why don’t you give that a go and let everyone know how it turns out?

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            So in other words, the answer to my question is “no.” Which I already knew because no real Christian believes in evolution. And no Christian would dare mock the word of God like you just did. You may believe in a Jesus of your own making, but you do not believe in the Jesus of the Bible.

            The words of Jesus Christ himself:

            Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

            Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

            As for Mark 16, the Apostle Paul (whom you call Saul) did those things. It doesn’t say EVERY CHRISTIAN will have ALL of those signs. The Apostles had the mission of starting the early church, and they were often delivered from peril, especially the Apostle Paul. They didn’t go out of their way to take up serpents, they were delivered from harm while they were doing the work of God.

          • James Von Borcke

            “…no real Christian…”

            And that’s why we have a First Amendment… To protect ~me~ from ~you~. History shows us clearly, after all, what happens when the Religious Right gets to decide who’s a ‘real’ adherent of the faith and who isn’t (a true statement regarding Christianity as it is for Islam, Judaism, and every other faith to ever exist).

            Indeed, my branch of Christianity was the first to be persecuted after the Religious Right took hold of Rome; you’re no different than the mob that burned down the Library of Alexandria, hating on me (and the knowledge I possess) for the exact same reasons, and as instructed by the exact same politicians dressed up as clergy.

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            You seem to have a severe problem differentiating between government and political issues and religious and spiritual issues.

            What does the First amendment have to do with what the Bible says? The First amendment is a political issue, and I’ve never disputed anyone’s right to believe whatever they want. The Bible never directs Christians to force our beliefs on people. It directs us to preach the gospel, which I have done with you. I never said “you don’t believe so you should be thrown in prison.”

            Believe whatever you want! But you can’t honestly call yourself a Christian if you don’t believe in the Jesus of the Bible, and believe what the Bible says. Jesus IS the word made flesh. You can’t separate the real Jesus from the Bible.

            Big difference between your rights as a U.S. citizen and whether or not you believe the Bible. But the truth of the matter is, you DON’T believe the Bible. Just like others I talk to on here, who claim to be Christian yet are teaching or believing heresy, when I point blank quote the Bible and ask if they believe what it says, they refuse to answer. Because they don’t want to just come out and say they don’t believe it, and thus condemn themselves. Face it, you don’t believe what God says, you believe what man says, instead. Thus you are not saved. You need to repent (meaning change your mind) and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

          • James Von Borcke

            “You seem to have a severe problem differentiating between government and political issues and religious and spiritual issues.”

            I actually have zero problem separating the two. After all, I’m not the one trying to claim a Christian government.

            “What does the First amendment have to do with what the Bible says?”

            What does this statement have to do with what I posted?

            “But you can’t honestly call yourself a Christian if you don’t believe in the Jesus of the Bible, and believe what the Bible says. Jesus IS the word made flesh. You can’t separate the real Jesus from the Bible.”

            I believe what the Bible says; I just don’t follow your Bible because it’s full of nonsensical tripe.

            Speaking of which, have you downed that glass of Draino yet? I’m rather interested in the results of this experiment. Not that it would disprove God or Jesus, but it would answer if you believe correctly. Just think, you’d be the first person to ever produce scientific evidence that the post-crucifixion story is true. You’d probably land a Nobel.

            “Just like others I talk to on here, who claim to be Christian yet are teaching or believing heresy…”

            I bet you miss the good old days of inquisitions and witch trials. You’d have fit right in.

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            The Inquisition was conducted by false Christians, friend. Real Christians were the VICTIMS at the inquisition. The Catholic church would drag you to prison for just owning your own copy of the Bible or reading it. Then they would place lead weights on your feet and suspend you from the ceiling and drop you almost to the floor breaking every joint in your body—all for refusing to say Jesus was a piece of bread. The witch trials were more a case of mass hysteria.

            But in any invent, nowhere in any of what I have said do I think you should be forced to believe something by torture or on penalty of death. That’s just a nice rhetorical argument to make me seem like I’m some kind of monster. It’s not that I am trying to say you don’t have a Constitutional right to call yourself a Christian; it’s that you can’t honestly (meaning with honesty in your heart) call yourself one if you don’t believe what the Bible says.

            And since you say the words of the Lord are nonsensical hype, how can you possibly believe in it? As stated earlier, Mark 16 did not say EVERY ONE of these signs will follow EVERY ONE that believes. And the people who exhibited those signs were in the early church doing the work of God. Not being some kind of idiot, drinking a bottle of Draino to test the Lord. The Bible also says not to put God to the test.

            The Bible isn’t nonsensical hype, and you saying it is just proves you don’t believe it. Or else something is wrong with you if you believe something you think is nonsense. I think evolution is nonsense, that’s why I DON’T believe in it.

            Anyway, as predicted, this was a total waste of my time and energy. I should’ve just stuck to my original plan and said nothing else. Have a nice day, and don’t look for me to try to boil you in oil. I believe every one has the right to believe what they want, God gave them a brain and His word, you can believe it or not, and no one can decide for you. You’re boogie man “religious right” are overwhelmingly the ones fighting for the Constitution and liberty.

          • James Von Borcke

            “The Inquisition was conducted by false Christians, friend.”

            Agreed. Conservative Christians.

            “Real Christians were the VICTIMS at the inquisition.”

            Agreed again. Liberal Christians.

            “The Catholic church would drag you to prison for just owning your own copy of the Bible or reading it.”

            Note that I mentioned inquisitions ~and~ witch trials. Funny that you dismiss the inquisitions (as they were done by Catholics), but don’t try even once to dismiss, or even mention, the witch trials (which were Protestants).

            “But in any [event], nowhere in any of what I have said do I think you should be forced to believe something by torture or on penalty of death.”

            And you can thank liberals for your near-modern outlook.

            “That’s just a nice rhetorical argument to make me seem like I’m some kind of monster.”

            Your accusations of me (that I’m not the right ‘sort’ of Christian) was all it took to justify the inquisitions and witch trials. I’m just challenging you to bring forth a better argument, which you’ve failed time and time again to do.

            “It’s not that I am trying to say you don’t have a Constitutional right to call yourself a Christian; it’s that you can’t honestly (meaning with honesty in your heart) call yourself one if you don’t believe what the Bible says.”

            That’s not for you to judge. After all, have I said that ~you~ aren’t a ‘real Christian’ because you believe Jesus can fly and take Paul’s word over the teachings of Christ’s ministry?

            “And since you say the words of the Lord are nonsensical [tripe]…”

            I stated that everything after the crucifixion is. Before the crucifixion is the ministry and lessons of Jesus.

            “…how can you possibly believe in it?”

            Because my faith has been around for 1800 years, at minimum. How old is yours? And who wrote it and pre-determined its biblical interpretations?

            “As stated earlier, Mark 16 did not say EVERY ONE of these signs will follow EVERY ONE that believes.”

            You’re playing semantics again… If you don’t believe you can drink poison and live, then just state that what it says isn’t a literal truth and we can move on.

            “And the people who exhibited those signs were in the early church doing the work of God.”

            Or they never existed in the first place.

            “Not being some kind of idiot, drinking a bottle of Draino to test the Lord. The Bible also says not to put God to the test.”

            So you admit that the Bible, in the form you prefer, is self-contradictory? (After all, my Bible doesn’t include any of that snake wrangler poison drinking stuff because it’s obviously nonsense.)

            “The Bible isn’t nonsensical [tripe], and you saying it is just proves you don’t believe it.”

            No, I’m not saying that the Bible is nonsensical tripe; I’m saying that ~your Bible~ contains nonsensical tripe. You unwillingness to drink Draino proves that you know this despite your semantic somersaults to pretend otherwise.

            “Or else something is wrong with you if you believe something you think is nonsense. I think evolution is nonsense, that’s why I DON’T believe in it.”

            That you don’t believe in Evolution is about on-par with those who didn’t believe that the world was spherical or that the Earth orbited the sun; that is, it doesn’t matter if you believe it or not as scientific discovery will move forward just fine without you.

            Eventually, though, your children will hate you for it. They always do when they come around to modernity. Which is a shame; a lot of good Christians turn to Atheism or Agnosticism because they’ve been turned off by bad Christianity.

            “Anyway, as predicted, this was a total waste of my time and energy.”

            No, it wasn’t. It illustrated perfectly how lacking you are in intellectual integrity as well as your eagerness to play the victim as well as disrespect others for their differences.

            “I should’ve just stuck to my original plan and said nothing else.”

            Except I posted ~something~ that made you question your faith, and in proper Pavlovian fashion, you jumped on it to quench your doubts.

            “Have a nice day, and don’t look for me to try to boil you in oil.”

            Again, if you don’t believe you have the right to do this, thank a liberal.

            “You’re boogie man “religious right” are overwhelmingly the ones fighting for the Constitution and liberty.”

            Then stop urinating all over both.

        • Shibes_Meadow

          Jesus Himself ridiculed His enemies. He called them names. Once He even made a whip and literally whipped their asses with it.

          Your “Nice Jesus” is a myth. Our Lord did not save people by being nice. He rubbed their faces in their sins, mocked their hypocrisies, confronted them with the reality of Hell, and offered His Flesh and Blood as the one and only means of salvation.

          We should do likewise.

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            Obviously you’ve never read any of my other posts on here, if you think I believe in a “nice Jesus” as you put it.

            As Christians, we are not commanded to go make fun of false religions. We ARE commanded to preach the gospel to them. The Bible says:

            Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

            Every Muslim is a creature, and every Jew is a creature. We need to be preaching to those caught up in wicked false religions.

    • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

      You have a hatred against Israel and the Jewish people.You are the one who smells (((((((((ROTTEN))))))))))) If you think they are worse than ISIS than you must be one of ISIS or some other Islamic group .

      • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

        1Th 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
        1Th 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
        1Th 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

        Please read your Bible before you start off on a blind support Israel rant. The modern day Jews (the religion, not race) are the same people who killed Jesus–the Pharisees. They claim to believe in God, but the Bible reveals that they don’t, because they reject Jesus:

        1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
        1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

        They claim to believe the first five books of the Bible, Jesus said they don’t, because they didn’t believe Jesus:

        Joh_5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

        As for the race of people known as Jews, they are no different than anyone else..

        Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

        Rom_2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

        Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

  • FoJC_Forever

    Other news reports coming out are indicating that ISIS has “soldiers” here in the USA and are planning more attacks. Islam is like atheism, feminism, the homosexual agenda, and so many other groups who are trying to pervert and destroy this nation and the world.

    Come, Lord Jesus, come!

    • Paul Hiett

      You just equated ISIS to atheists, feminists, and homosexuals? Do you actually read real news, or just the slanted articles from this site?

      • Peter Leh

        what religion was Tim McVeigh?

        • weasel1886

          Christian

        • Shibes_Meadow

          Atheist.

    • weasel1886

      ISIS hates gays, atheists, women, Jews, blacks, and dissent. They sound like prefect conservatives to me.

  • Shibes_Meadow

    Dear ISIS:

    I am a professional cartoonist, and I will draw Muhammad if I please. Nothing you can do will stop me.

    Bring on your jihad, Junior. I’m a Texan. I’m not afraid of you.