Former Lesbian Petitions Obama to Hear Voices of Those Christ Has Set Free from Homosexuality

boynesA former lesbian has started a petition on Change.org to ask Barack Obama to meet with and acknowledge those who have been set free from the homosexual lifestyle by the transforming power of Jesus Christ.

Janet Boynes lived as a lesbian for 14 years and now leads a ministry to help others struggling with homosexual temptation to walk victoriously in righteousness. She says that she became involved in same-sex romantic relationships as a youth as she was looking for something to satisfy her in the midst of a difficult upbringing: her father wasn’t present in the home, her mother’s boyfriend was an alcoholic, and she was sexually abused twice.

Boynes began looking for love, but in all the wrong places.

“I wanted to make something of myself, finding a way to somehow make people love me,” she wrote for Charisma News last year. “The type of love I had experienced in my life wasn’t enough, and I knew it. I needed something more. I tried to fill the emptiness inside of me by having relationships with women for 14 years.”

But as Boynes went from relationship to relationship, she was still unhappy, so she tried adding drugs to the mix.

“Nothing helped, and I hurt more than ever,” she recalled.

At rock bottom, Boynes turned to the Lord.

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“Little by little, with the help of God and with the prayer and support of my friends, I began to leave my old lifestyle behind,” she said. “It was far from easy. My life was a constant struggle that became a war on the bad days. … [But Christ] began filling the emptiness in my heart, binding up the hurts and healing them.”

“I speak from experience: Only God’s love can truly satisfy; only He can give meaning and identity, and God’s love can only be found in Jesus Christ,” Boynes now proclaims.

But now being on the other side of the homosexual lifestyle, Boynes says that she is concerned that the U.S. government is ignoring voices like hers—the voices of those who have found freedom from homosexuality by the saving power of Christ.

“For years, the president of the United States has sat down with those in the LGBTQ community but has failed to hear the stories of those of us who have successfully left the homosexual lifestyle,” she wrote in an article this week. “As someone who spent 14 years in the homosexual lifestyle and then experienced the transforming power of Jesus Christ, I know it is possible to be set free. For 17 years, I have been living proof.”

Therefore, Boynes has created a petition to Barack Obama to meet with people just like her and listen to their stories.

“In your victory speech on 11.5.08 as reported by the New York Times, you stated, ‘And for those Americans whose support I have yet to earn, I may not have won your vote tonight, but I hear your voices. I need your help, and I will be your president, too,'” the petition reads. “Sadly, Mr. President, you have not carried out your promise. For those of us who have left the homosexual lifestyle, you have never listened to us.”

It notes that while Obama has met with many who advocate for homosexuality, he has turned a deaf ear to those who testify to the life-changing power of Jesus Christ.

“Countless people who are participating in the homosexual lifestyle have visited with you at the White House, and you have supported them on numerous occasions,” the petition continues. “What about those of us whose compelling stories you have chosen to ignore? We also have voices; and when you were first elected, you promised to listen to us. That has not happened yet.”

“Mr. President, when will you take the time to sit down with us and let us share our experiences?” Boynes asks. “We … humbly ask you for this opportunity.”

Boynes encourages other Christians and others who have similar stories to sign the petition “to ask President Obama to hear the voices of those of us who know from personal experiences or through the experiences of others that it is possible to leave the homosexual lifestyle.”

Others have already begun to share their testimonies on the petition.

“I am a former lesbian who was set free from 18 years of homosexuality by the power of Jesus Christ and have been living free for 10 years,” writes one supporter.

“I was a lesbian that has been delivered. I find it valuable to be able to share with others how HE set me free,” another testifies.


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  • UmustBKiddinMe

    I hope the President meets with them. Although she pretty much shared her story in the article. But, still, if she, and others want to tell him in person, that would be nice. I’m not sure what the point would be….but it’s always nice to be able to tell your story.

    • Richard

      The point would be homosexuality is a behavior that people can change. No one is born gay. No one is stuck in a lifestyle they don’t want or understand. Obama needs to educate himself on the truth rather than believe the deceivers.

      • http://notrobsstuff.blogspot.com Robguy

        So no one is born heterosexual either? When did you decide?

        • Timothy Lamb

          Common sense tells me, this little reaction happens when 2 meet, we call those events children. Even nature makes this extremely clear. Plus any anthropologist will tell you being “gay” is a social construct in the west.

          • http://notrobsstuff.blogspot.com Robguy

            I have 2 lovely children. I had them with lesbians. Anyone that has studied nature will tell you homosexuality is quite common in more evolved species – birds and mammals particularly. But don’t worry, my homosexuality doesn’t invalidate your experience. Get married and have as many kids as you want. I won’t be launching a campaign to tell your kids they were born wrong or torture them into supressing their natural and loving instincts. It does creep me out a little when you say the reaction of 2 people meeting is children – I would like to think you get to know each other a little bit and do some family planning rather than just BAM! children.

          • Richard

            > Anyone that has studied nature will tell you homosexuality is quite common in more evolved species – birds and mammals particularly

            If you actually study nature, you’ll see very few are homosexual. Besides, just because some animals exhibit what appears to be homosexual behavior, does that mean humans should kill their mates, eat their excrement, live in holes in the ground or nests?

            Humans are far above base animal behavior. To suggest we stoop to that behavior because they do is foolish…but very telling on how desperate gay supporters are to justify their immoral behavior.

        • Reason2012

          If not indoctrinated, abused, mentally unstable and confused, no one would end up with perverted unnatural lusts. The homosexual activists know it’s indoctrination, confusion and so on, which is why they demand access to everyone else’s 5 year old kids to expose them to images and ideas of homosexuality.
          Google homosexual kindergarten and read about how they prey on kids.

          • TrillProphecies93

            You sound like another Christian @sshole. Stop trying to shove your crazy beliefs down people’s throats. Get it through your thick skull, not everyone is like you! Deal with it!

          • Reason2012

            Adults continue to turn away from homosexuality – you cannot deal with it and call them all liars and call Christians vulgar names.

          • TrillProphecies93

            I despise you people, you try to make everyone feel bad if they don’t follow you! I’m glad more people are coming out and being able to live their lives! Soon no one will believe your Christian junk any longer.

          • amostpolitedebate

            Really? You’re going to trot out the old “all gay people are secretly pedophiles” canard?

          • Reason2012

            Did I say they were seeking to sexually assault them? You’re being disingenuous. They expose them to such perversion because they know it will have an affect on some of them as individuals and some will start to wonder if they are “gay”.

          • http://notrobsstuff.blogspot.com Robguy

            I think you’re talking about Christianity.

      • Bobby Mae

        Being gay isn’t a lifestyle. Do you considering being heterosexual a lifestyle? Educate yourself.

        • TrillProphecies93

          America is supposed to be the land of the free yet people still feel the need to discriminate against others because they believe they are right!

          • Bobby Mae

            It’s the evangelical way. If you ain’t a white gay-hating mexican-hating black-fearing pro-life church attender you’re on your way to hell.

          • TrillProphecies93

            Tell the truth! That is America down to a T! Just the way they wanted it!

          • Richard

            No. If you reject Christ you are on your way to hell.

        • Richard

          > Do you considering being heterosexual a lifestyle?

          Yes. Study sexual development and you’ll see your comment is in error.

      • TrillProphecies93

        Richard you sound like another typical Christian brainwashed sheep! All of you idiots are believing in a book that you can’t even prove where it comes from or if everything in it is true? You believing a f-cking storybook! I ready a book too that said Spider man will save me if I call on him lolz is that true because it’s written?

      • UmustBKiddinMe

        Homosexuality is not a behavior. It is a trait.

        “No one is born gay”

        To be able to make that statement you would have to proof that it is not true. What is your proof?

        “Obama needs to educate himself on the truth rather than believe the deceivers.”

        Do you actually think that Obama is unaware that some people claim they have “prayed away the gay”?

        “than believe the deceivers.”

        You mean like Exodus International, the largest “pray the gay away” group that ever existed that admitted that changing sexuality is not possible and apologized for the harm done to those who used their organization?

  • James Von Borcke

    In other news, members of the organization New Found Life through Stockholm Syndrome also seek an audience with the president to testify on the merits of mental torture and brainwashing methods and how these brought them closer to their new owners, which the government often wrongly label as kidnappers and terrorists.

    “We are not a fringe movement of crazies despite what liberals and scientists would call us,” a spokesman said this morning, “We are merely seeking equal time with those so-called ‘medical experts’ who would regard us as victims without attempting themselves to grasp the wondrous beauty that is psychological submission and surrender. Life, after all, is much easier when you comply, ridding you of the need to think. So we seek an audience with the President in order to fulfill the wishes of our kindly lords and masters.”

  • Richard

    Contrary to what gay activists preach, there are thousands upon thousands of ex-gays. No one is born or has to stay that way. The facts disprove the decievers.

    • amostpolitedebate

      Actually all the research over the years has sided with the idea that sexuality can’t be changed which is why the American Psychological Association took homosexuality off the list of mental disorders and have come out against reperative therapies.

      • Mary Kilbride

        So what she said and plenty of others, means nothing to you. One thing to not believe or understand it, quite another to ban “reperative therapies” that have helped so many others. There is a gentleman who has come to our church with his story of how he was able to get away from that lifestyle. He is now married with children. There is something to be said of those who have lived it and have a story to tell.

        • amostpolitedebate

          Even if sexuality can somehow be changed (the science so far says it can’t) the therapies you are advocating have a really, really bad record and aren’t the answer. For every “success” story out there you can find many more of them really messing people up only to have them go back to being gay several years later. In the worst cases the experiences people go through are so bad that they end up committing suicide.

          These programs are not being banned because of the gay Illuminati. They’re being banned because they’re awful.

          • Richard

            > Even if sexuality can somehow be changed (the science so far says it can’t)

            Come on. Science never said that. If you look at the science, you’ll see gays change all the time.

            > For every “success” story out there you can find many more of them really messing people up only to have them go back to being gay several years later

            Many ex smokers return to smoking, too. Are you suggesting they were born to smoke?

            > These programs are not being banned because of the gay Illuminati. They’re being banned because they’re awful.

            They are being banned because of gay suppression. The thousands upon thousands of ex-gays show good programs work…especially Christ-centered programs that are effective.

          • amostpolitedebate

            -Come on. Science never said that. If you look at the science, you’ll see gays change all the time.
            [citation needed]

            -Many ex smokers return to smoking, too. Are you suggesting they were born to smoke?
            Smoking causes biological changes in the brain causing addiction. Gay people will tell you that they’ve felt same sex attractions for as long as they can remember. This one’s pretty weak dude.

            -They are being banned because of gay suppression. The thousands upon
            thousands of ex-gays show good programs work…especially
            Christ-centered programs that are effective.
            [citation needed]

          • Richard

            > [citation needed]

            Look up ex-gays. Also, re-read this article and the many others just like it.

            > Smoking causes biological changes in the brain causing addiction.

            That’s nonsense. The brain doesn’t change. Smoking is a habit. There is chemical component, as well, but that’s secondary.

            > Gay people will tell you that they’ve felt same sex attractions for as long as they can remember.

            I understand that. But that just means they don’t understand why they have that attraction, not that it is biological.

            > [citation needed]

            Re-read the article.

          • Bobby Mae

            Reading a story of an “ex gay” is not scientific proof. You’re an idiot and have no credibility.

          • David Cromie

            As noted above, you are a credulous idiot, and a superstitious fool to boot.

          • David Cromie

            “Many ex smokers return to smoking, too. Are you suggesting they were born to smoke?”. Since you do not seem to realise that it is required not to compare unlike things when using them to make a point, you have branded yourself as an idiot.

        • amostpolitedebate

          Also, no. Her story by itself doesn’t mean much because an anecdote is not a peer-reviewed study.

          We don’t know what’s going on in her head. She could still be gay and just choosing to have straight relationships. Or she could be bisexual and simply choosing to not act on the gay half of her desires. It’s impossible to tell from where we’re sitting. What we DO know is that trying to force people to change does serious damage and shouldn’t be considered a solution.

          • Vince

            But the article isn’t about what any peer reviewed study has observed but only about a transformed life made possible only thru Jesus Christ.

          • amostpolitedebate

            But was it truly transformed? And if so would these techniques work for others? I have serious doubts on both counts.

          • Richard Williams

            Your doubts are not based on sound evidence. The APA is not an authority in this discussion. Their claims are not based on science, but on their own personal bias. Former APA presidents like Nicholas Cummings have publicly laid out the evidence for the APA having a bias, but this has not become common public knowledge because of the media bias that is out there. He has conducted successful therapies himself and has seen change. And testimonies like above are further evidence of this. Current majority opinion is not based on truth, but on people who do not want to deal with the truth.

          • RWH

            Peer-reviewed studies are not based in bias. I would like to see peer-reviewed studies that have looked into the data, the research, and the conclusions that point to bias. One man’ claim to bias, even if he were president, proves nothing but opinion in the absence of documented research.

          • Richard Williams

            Look it up because I don’t think they will let me post any links here. APA is biased on what kind of studies that they will support – that is the point. As far as “peer-reviewed” studies are concerned, if the majority of the membership of the APA has a bias, of course their so-called “peer-reviews” can be biased. Such arguments are naive.

          • RWH

            It’s relatively easy to spout off one’s mouth and make all sorts of comments. Proving those comments with documented data is another thing. What is your proof that people in the APA are biased? There’s lots of discussion out there, and people who make accusations of bias had better have the data to back their claims. People attack studies all the time based on issues such as a skewed data sample, a faulty research design, and false conclusions. Again, you make a sweeping statement. Either prove that all of these studies are biased with your own research, or reference people who are respected in the field who have proved certain studies as false. To imply that the research in general is false, and academicians can lose their jobs for positing fraudulent research. Therefore, you make the claim that all these studies are false. Prove your assertion.

          • Richard Williams

            RWH, there is a reason I responded to you the way I did. You will have to look it up because they won’t let me post links here. I tried.

          • Richard Williams

            Google – Nicholas Cummings, APA, homosexuality and bias – that should suffice.

          • David Cromie

            It seems you know little or nothing about rigorous scientific journals, and the process of peer reviewing the studies they publish, and even less about the academic world.

          • Richard Williams

            I know more than you think. And you are naive about the human condition and the biases that sometimes influence their so-called “science”. If I could I would also post some links about that.

          • David Cromie

            it seems that you take great care to hide your claimed expertise!

          • Richard Williams

            I have been dealing with this whole issue of homosexuality with people I know since high school so I have a vested interest in this topic.

          • David Cromie

            Do you mean an obsession?

          • Richard Williams

            Are you obsessed with responding on this issue regardless of how wrong you are? I actually care about people and how things destroy their lives. Do you?

          • David Cromie

            Yes I, too, care about people, and about the myriad ways religion is destroying their lives. You obviously would love to see your particular version of religion to become the main source of their torment.

          • Richard Williams

            David Cromie, it is not “religion” that is destroying people’s lives. It is people destroying people’s lives. What do I mean by that? You have a delusion that a belief in a lack of religion would change the world. That is false. People who have had a lack of religion have created some of the worst problems in their own societies. Honestly look at what any nation who has had claims of atheism has done to themselves. This would include countries like China and Russia in history. Their governments have had a history of mistreatment of people while under such regimes that would have attached themselves to atheism. That is not a good track record.

            This is good evidence that no matter what you believe, whether it is in the supernatural or not, you still have personal “demons” to deal with. I don’t really consider it “demons” entirely. The common term that is used is “SIN”. Demons only tempt people to sin. It is people themselves who do the sinning.

            As for this whole idea of “lifelong self-torment” that is hogwash. I got rid of any kind of “lifelong self-torment” when I acknowledged my guilt for being a sinner before God. He forgave me. As soon as I did that all sense of “permanent guilt” was gone. I realized that whatever consequences there were to suffer for sin was gone because God had dealt with those consequences Himself.

            If anyone has “brainwashing” it is you because you have bought into this idea from society that getting rid of religion would solve the problems of the world. I used to think that myself, but I was wrong.

            I think you are obsessed with that idea yourself. And I don’t have a pipe and I have nothing to smoke!

          • David Cromie

            Have you ever considered the role of religion in the history of the world. A recent example would be the way a christian country, e.g. the USA, and their religiously condoned treatment of the aboriginal people, and black people. Apartheid was instigated by the Dutch Reformed Church in S. Africa, and the genocide of the aboriginal peoples of Latin America by the Roman Church. Fundamentalist Islam is killing people of other brands of religion, or none, even as I type this, Shia Muslims are killing other Muslims with whom they have doctrinal differences, and the political Zionists are ethnically cleansing Israel of Palestinians, while conducting periodic genocidal attacks on the open prison which is Gaza, not forgetting Yemen’s current troubles, and so on. Need I say more?

          • Richard Williams

            David, I already told you that i used to think like you do, but you are not considering what I have said to you obviously.

            The USA has never been a “Christian” country. There are people who claimed to be Christians involved and who have claimed to believe in God, but were they really?

            And there are far more greater numbers of people abused in countries by leaders who have claimed to be atheists as I have already pointed out to you.

            You seem to talk about all of these “bad things” yet you seem to deny sin. This is not logical.

            I am aboriginal in descent so, of course, I have thought about this. I also have visited South Africa just recently and I aware of the problems there, but I am just as aware of how these groups treat foreigners into their countries that have had nothing to do with those past events. They only demonstrate that they are just as bad as those who they have had problems with in their history. I have seen drunk aboriginals pick out fights with foreigners without any instigation at all. I have also seen how black South Africans treat foreigners in their country. I can understand why they act that way, but they are being just as bad.

            These things you talk about are more about bad blood between groups of people than they are about a specific religion. Atheists can act just as bad when they are in power.

            You arguments are not coherent with the reality of the human condition.

          • David Cromie

            The ‘no true christian’ argument is fallacious, and the word ‘sin’ is not a secular word, but comes with superstitious religious baggage. The problem is not one of who killed more people than some other, but that religion is more likely to promote the killing of anyone not of a particular faith, or of no faith whatsoever. That is the verdict of history, about which so many theists have lied over the centuries.

          • Richard Williams

            David, where is your evidence that it was truly Christians that did the things you claim?

            Also what word in the English language would your prefer to use instead of sin? How about evil? It does not matter if people have misused words are not, it still means what it means. Everyone is a sinner. Everyone has done evil.

            And you have no rational argument that “religion” kills more people than atheism. Look up “Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union”. You do not have a rational view of history. Maybe it is because you don’t really know history like you think you do.

          • David Cromie

            Sorry, Richard, but it is you who needs to read up on the history of religion. That war and religion go together is amply demonstrated by the fact that in the Mediaeval period people like Thomas Aquinas were moved to consider what the criteria were for waging a ‘just war’.

          • Richard Williams

            I already know the history of religion in the general sense David, sorry. War has been going on between human beings for almost all of its human existence whether it was about religion or not you need to open your eyes and your mind. You’ve already ignored the evidence of that willingly. The term “just war” is often associated with Augustine not Thomas Aquinas in the context of religion, however, humans have tried to justify war regardless of religion way before then and ever since!

          • David Cromie

            You are right, sorry for the confusion, and my apologies to Augustine, should he be listening.

            I am aware of man’s propensity for war, starting with our primitive tribal instincts, and territorial disputes, etc.. However, I was referring specifically to the history of religion, and the much more destructive wars justified on behalf of the competing religious affiliations of national and religious leaders over the centuries. These have often been intertwined with the quest for conquering new territory and/or natural resources, including, most importantly, evangelistic motives.

            There is no reason, that I can fathom, for you to assume that I do not have open eyes and a perceptive mind, I leave that to the christers. Nor have I ignored the evidence of history, in general, but I suspect that you have done so.

          • Verisimilitude

            How kind of you to suggest [only ‘suggest’] he ignores history, David.

            But, all the christers do that…it’s their only means to keep their bedraggled ‘faith’ alive.

          • Richard Williams

            If you are aware of man’s propensity for war then why don’t you admit that mankind will use any kind of excuse to fight with the other? Mankind is at fault for this not religion! Mankind has also fought over issues of culture. Are you going to blame the existence of culture for it?

            There is every reason for me to believe you do not have open eyes and your mind is not perceiving the truth correctly. You have ignored the evidence of history in general because you assume religion has done more damage than it actually has. It is humankind that is the problem. Not the existence of religion.

          • David Cromie

            Culture and religion are bound up in a symbiotic relationship, thus together they are the prime movers in the propensity for making war on anyone perceived as ‘other’.

          • Richard Williams

            David, I hope you will eventually admit it. Human beings can not blame outside forces other than themselves for the way they act. Unless you think there is some kind of deity of “culture” or religion” out there controlling people. Your argument is not based on the reality of the human condition.

          • David Cromie

            You have misunderstood my position, what I believe about human action, and the possible reasons behind it, is the direct opposite of what you seem to think I believe – there are no deities at work out there influencing human action, whether for good or ill!

            However, what I have said about the relationship between culture and religion still stands, as does the historical record.

          • Richard Williams

            Your position may stand, but it is not upon logic. It does not make sense to try to blame war on “religion” or “culture” as if they were some real entity within themselves when it is really the character of human beings that is the cause of it.

          • Richard Williams

            The idea that “religion” is destroying lives is a myth created by people that want to have nothing to do with God. The reality is that countries who have had the some of the worst track record of mistreating people have been ones who have tried to get rid of religion and adhered to atheism from its leadership. This includes China and Russia. You have falsely been indoctrinated yourself by that idea in society.

            What really is destroying people is people themselves. They have “sin” regardless of what beliefs they hold to.

            What I believe is not “self-torment” and has nothing to do with “permanent guilt”, but it is the exact opposite of that! I got rid of any “permanent guilt” feeling I had once I acknowledged that I was a sinner. I have no feelings of having to deal with the any ultimate consequence of my sin because God has dealt with any ultimate consequence Himself.

            If anything, you are the one who has to deal with “permanent guilt”, not me. You also have been brainwashed to believe what you do about religion. I used to think the same way as you do, but I was wrong. I realized that whether or not I tried to adhere to religion or not, I still had a problem with my own sin to deal with. As it is, you are the one obsessed with your own beliefs about religion. And I don’t have a pipe and I don’t think there is anything I need to smoke!

          • Richard Williams

            I have been vested in this issue since high school having known people personally who have been dealing with this.

          • Levi

            And all gay people could be straight people choosing to have gay relationships. And what is dangerous is to support their gay tendencies. Regardless of the attraction, this is a moral issue that has been deceptively turned into a civil rights issue. The question is what is morally right. And when God is removed from the picture, no one human can call his or her moral judgment more authoritative than another persons. And the same goes for all moral judgements such as murder, rape and incest. When we look to the objective source of morality, i.e. God, He judges it as evil. If you’re wondering “which God?” Then you need only take a short survey of the deities presented in the major religions and most judge homosexuality as sin. But I only speak for the only God who had shown Himself to be God, the most supreme Being over all creation; that is the God of the Bible.

          • David Cromie

            Ah, you mean the one true sky fairy, for the existence of which none of its followers has been able to come up with a cogent argument, based on evidence, that might reasonably lead any sane person to accept it as such?

          • RWH

            There are plenty of people out there who have stated that they have had a transformed life, and then we discover that the transformation was a mere illusion when they go back to being gay or lesbian. I’m thinking of Mike Pauk, the poster child for transformation who was found in a gay bar in Washington DC, and the founders of Exodus. For every person who says that s/he was transformed, there are plenty of others who say that they changed but admit that this was wishful thinking and nothing more than suppressing what they are until they just about self destructed.
            It’s interested that out of these supposed thousands very few have come forward, and the ones who claim transformation have never agreed to a peer reviewed study of their transformation.

          • Wally15

            What, dare I ask, is a “peer reviewed study of their transformation”? Nonsense, I suggest!

          • RWH

            Then, why aren’t these people coming forward to let the specialists interview them at least. Many of the people who are supposedly cured admit that they still have temptations. If one still has an attraction to the opposite sex, that individual isn’t cured of anything.

          • Wally15

            I am sure this person is more than happy to be interviewed on her position. I sense that the “peer review” that is envisaged is more akin to a grilling to see if the individual can be caught out on some minor point.

          • Richard

            > Then, why aren’t these people coming forward to let the specialists interview them at least.

            Many have tried, but have been suppressed by pro gay activists.

          • RWH

            Well, then these people don’t have the strength of their convictions. The problem is that they don’t have an answer for their detractors. Like anyone who is a convert to a new cause, they can’t identify themselves clearly as what they are except to slam what they left. They can’t rejoice in the Lord in what they are. Rather, they have to define themselves by throwing mud, an act that turns many people off. Thus, you can’t be a good Christian if you don’t loath the people that I loathe.

          • Bobby Mae

            Prove it. My goodness Richard, for such a straight man you sure spend a lot of time thinking about homosexuality.

          • Richard Williams

            Everyone has temptations. This is not the same thing as NOT being cured. Temptations do not come from people themselves. That is the trouble with society – they don’t always get the reality of life. People have thoughts they don’t want to have because of themselves! There are other forces at work.

          • Claudia Scott

            If you want to remain in your lifestyle RWH and the others just say that, but you can’t discount the experience of others. You don’t have to prove yourself to man, but only your creator God. He is patient hoping that all men will acknowledge his authority over our lives, and to repent and receive Christ to be saved and made brand new people through Christ’s spirit. The natural man cannot understand that which is spiritual.

          • David Cromie

            But a ‘natural’ woman can?

          • David Cromie

            I can neither discount what others think they have experienced, or share that experience. But I can detect self-delusion when I see it.

          • Winnie

            If you took time to read what she says, you will understand that she is attributing that change to a superior being giving the ability to change. She herself was not able to change however much she tried. But Jesus Christ did it for her. Jesus Christ is able to restore men and women to their correct orientation as he meant them to be. Otherwise, he would have made Adam and Adam and Eve and Eve. May God give you understanding.

          • David Cromie

            Self-delusion is a wonderful achievement.

          • http://www.google.com/ Jan van Niekerk

            “Peer reviewed study”: the consensus of a bunch of graduates from some homosexual gender studies course. What do they know about making the broken whole again? What do they know about deliverance in Jesus Christ?

        • Bobby Mae

          Well I’m gay and I can’t changed despite having tried to be straight at multiple points in my life. Does my story mean nothing to you?

        • Bobby Mae

          And how do you know he doesn’t think about men when he’s having sex? People suppress things all the time to gain the acceptance of others. Don’t be so convinced lady

        • David Cromie

          Self-deception, and lying to obtain approbation from fellow believers, is very common among deists, unfortunately

      • bowie1

        Probably she doesn’t consider it a mental disorder either, but a sin, that like any sin can be resisted.

        • bill2

          no it can’t if you’re gay you cannot atop being gay

          • Richard

            There are thousands upon thousands of ex-gays who prove your comment is wrong. Facts are facts.

          • Bobby Mae

            Thousands upon thousands eh? I’d like names and numbers please. And I want to know if these thousands upon thousands still have same sex desires.

          • shellyTheGreat

            just look up ex-gay on youtube and you will see several testimonies.

          • bill2

            no thee aren’t. there are a few sad individuals that are livelong in denial of there true self

          • Claudia Scott

            Bill I have to agree with Bowie1 and others. It is a spiritual sin issue which can be accounted for by many factors. Some at very young ages are forced into this lifestyle, others introduced into it, and as the young lady states it was from an emotional void in her life that she remained in it thinking she would be satisfied and found she was not. There is more unnecessary confusion about sexual identity than necessary. God gave us all eyes to look and admire others, which is not wrong. When we convince ourselves something about ourselves that is not true just because we admire the physicality of an individual than we are living in confusion. We can argue that it is a behavior that is not learned and cannot be changed, but it is very clear from scripture that this is not God’s design for family or relationships. So, all those saying it’s the way God made us, I say just open the bible and read for the truth about the subject if not afraid to do so.

          • bill2

            complete bullshit.

          • Claudia Scott

            God bless you Bill.

          • bill2

            blah blah blah

          • shellyTheGreat

            if you are not living inside someone’s body with them, then you don’t know what they are in denial about or whether their attraction to someone has changed or not. there are plenty of lifestyles that people decide they want to stop living, and those lifestyles don’t define who we are as people for the rest of our lives, so s*xuality should be no different. if you decide that the lifestyle isn’t for you, then you don’t have to be confined to it forever just because gay advocates want you to so that you won’t prove wrong their faulty philosophy that gay is not a choice.

          • Nox

            I know science so I do know that goes on, you cannot change your sexuality and anyone who claims they have is either in denial or lying

          • shellyTheGreat

            science had NEVER proven that.

          • Nox

            no they haven’t and legitimate therapists tried to change peoples sexuality and they failed. it cannot be done

          • shellyTheGreat

            that proves nothing. people go to therapists and rehab for all kinds of things and end up RELAPSING or never getting better. But then some people DO end up quitting drugs or alcohol or depression or whatever they were struggling with. so just because it didn’t work for some people doesn’t mean that it doesn’t work for anyone. You have absolutely no facts or logic to back up what you’re saying…you just don’t WANT to consider that sexuality can be altered. Just because the gay media has told you something does not mean that it is true, it just means that they are telling the public what they want you to believe because it fits their agenda. They don’t have any logic or facts to back up their own arguments. Just because you tried to quit something once and it didn’t work for you does NOT mean that it will work for no one. If EVERYTHING else on this earth that we do is able to be altered (everything that is not in our genes), then there is no logical reasoning that says sexuality is any different.

          • Nox

            no it cannot be change period. look it up

          • shellyTheGreat

            i have, and there are several people who beg to differ. No proof, no argument.

          • Nox

            they’re either lying or in denial as the former “ex-gays” will attest

          • shellyTheGreat

            you have no proof of that, just talk.

          • Nox

            I have science

          • shellyTheGreat

            no you don’t, you have yet to present any scientific evident.

          • Nox

            this site won’t let me post links but you’re free to look up the evidence for yourself

          • shellyTheGreat

            i have and i haven’t found any.

          • Nox

            then you’re not reading the correct info

          • shellyTheGreat

            lol ok

          • Nox

            piss off pig

          • shellyTheGreat

            ok, now I can see that you were a troll all along. goodbye.

          • Nox

            no I am just sick of your stupidity

          • shellyTheGreat

            lol, okay, bu-bye!

          • Pete Doddato

            People are given to different sins. Some are thieves. They can’t resist the temptation to steal. Some are abusers. They can’t resist the temptation to abuse. Others, like myself, are adulterers. They can’t resist the temptation to commit adultery. But when a person admits what they are, repents and asks Christ for forgiveness, His Holy Spirit comes to indwell us giving us His power to overcome temptation in our lives. It is the grace of God. We can’t do it on our own.

          • Nox

            sin doesn’t exist.

          • Amy

            If I have a weakness for stealing, it is still not right to do it, and I wouldn’t encourage one to give into every urge that ‘makes you happy’, everyone has temptations, and they wouldn’t be tempting if they were right and true and easy to walk away from. You can happily live in a life without homosexual acts, sinless, just as a recovered addict can have joy in their life without using. Being homosexual has become an identity, and is not such. It is a sin,but not who you are, so you are loved, but the sin is still not acceptable.

          • Leslie Manley

            still wanting to see the facts on that number

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            If the Lord Delivers someone . They can become free. Some are Delivered.

          • Richard

            Many, many are delivered.

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            Amen . Praise God for that. 🙂

          • Richard

            Yes! Don’t give up the fight. Think of all of the souls that can be saved by getting them the truth.

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            Amen to that. Right now some are angry at Christians for trying to reach out to them. But for the ones who end up saved and Delivered they will rejoice with the Lord . What a day that will be. But the ones who stay in their Rejection will not be so joyful but at least they will remember that we did care enough to try.

          • bill2

            no they haven’t. they’re either in denial or they were never gay to being with.

          • Winnie

            Nobody is ever gay to begin with.

          • bill2

            the homosexuals say otherwise

          • Jeremy

            Bill you don’t these people so how do you know they weren’t gay to begin with?

          • bill2

            because some of these “ex-gay” have been exposed as liars trying to con money from the gullible

          • Jeremy

            How have they been exposed?

          • bill2

            by the fact they were never gay to begin with or exaggerated their life before they “changed”

          • Jeremy

            And how do you know that? You don’t know them.

          • bill2

            I know the scandals

          • Jeremy

            What scandals? Sorry Bill I know personally people who left the homosexual lifestyle. No reason to lie for them. People aren’t born gay and you choose the lifestyle you live when it comes to this.

          • bill2

            they haven’t left anything they’re just in denial and you are enabling their delusions

          • Jeremy

            You don’t know that. You can’t and your attempt to claum otherwise is without merit.

          • bill2

            I know. you cannot change your sexual orientation .that’s what every reputable mental health origination say and they’ve actually done the research to back it up

          • Jeremy

            Every is inaccurate and no they haven’t done enough and hard to have objective data when there is delusion. Have a good night.

          • bill2

            yes they have. you’re just an idiot

          • Jeremy

            A person who can not discuss the issue without resorting to insults has a weak position to begin with. God bless Bill I hope you come to the truth someday.

          • bill2

            why sugar coat the facts? you’re an idiot do I will call you an idiot

          • Jeremy

            No I’m not. The issue is a tale as old as time. People justifying deviant behavior by using excuses like “I can’t help it,” or “I was born this way.” Your refusal to believe someone’s own personal story because it conflicts the lie you’ve convinced yourself of is the problem. So call me an idiot, it’s not the truth and neither is homosexuality can’t be helped. Have a good day Bill. This is my last post on the matter.

          • bill2

            I dismiss it because it contradicts all modern understanding of human sexuality. you cannot change your orenation and consider this women hasen’t god a boyfirend or husban i’d say it’s obvious she’s just living in denial of her true self

          • Jeremy

            Claim that is.

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            If it makes you feel better to believe a lie. That is your choice in life.
            Shalom <

          • bill2

            it;s not a lie. it;s back by every reputable mental health organization on the planet

          • Aleksey Kaznacheyev

            I would also like see real statistics, numbers, and organization names that do back this statement, just to have a good laugh at them calling themselves “reputable”. If homosexuality is genetic, there would have to be a gay gene or a way that it gets passed on…none of that found. In fact, there isn’t a single solid scientific proof that gays were born this way. Even gays themselves admit they became gay (some while they were still children, and some in their teen years). And, I’m not just talking about gays that turned away from their immorality and were healed, but even those that are still gay.

            The ‘born this way’ argument is now used simply for political purposes, so that the LGBT and liberals could keep pushing their agenda. Everyone and every thing that tries to contradict their arguments, they bully them by calling them ‘haters’ and ‘bigots’, and the funny thing is – more and more people are starting to believe them and jump on their bandwagon. Really reminds me of what the Bolsheviks did before they took over Russia and the neighboring nations. Sad how we all know the cliche saying “history repeats itself”, yet don’t do anything about it.

            Not trying to be rude Bill, just stating my viewpoint. I don’t hate gays, and I personally had a few gay friends in school. But, that’s the same as if I had friends who were addicted to drugs. I still love them and care for them, but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with what they do and the lifestyle they CHOSE. I am against drugs, just as I am against homosexuality. Not: I hate drug addicts and homosexuals.

          • bill2

            something doesn’t need a specific gene for it to be genetic there’s no gene that determines if you’re right or left handed for example. and yo do hate homosexuals otherwise you wouldn’t be trying to “cure” them

          • amostpolitedebate

            As a specific example, exposure to hormones in the womb can cause profound and permanent changes in the brain and/or body. These changes can remain with a person forever, but are not actually caused by genes since the hormones in question came from the mother/outside sources.

          • Aleksey Kaznacheyev

            I don’t know whether there is right or left handed gene, but I know that it does get passed on. I am left handed and looking at my family tree I can see why. However, I don’t know a single homosexual who can look at their family tree and go “oh yea, I can see why I’m gay. My aunt was a lesbian, my grandfather was gay…and so on”

            So let me get this straight, if you had cancer and your doctor was trying to cure you, that would mean he hates people with cancer right? Or if you were mentally ill and someone tried to heal you, would they be also considered as someone who hates mentally ill people. Now why would I try to help or “cure” someone who I hate? I would just forget about them and say “you’ll rot in h*ll, but I don’t care”. Is it possible to hate cancer without hating a cancerous man or woman. Is it possible to hate mental illness, but love a mentally ill person? With God it is possible, and that’s the kind of love that comes from God. I hate homosexuality, meth, murder, theft, adultery and so on. Notice I didn’t say: homosexuals, drug addicts, murderers, thieves, adulterers, etc. You can call me a hater all you want, but that won’t stop me from loving them, and that’s what I’m learning to do. That’s what Jesus does and that’s what He wants me to do as well.

          • bill2

            that’s not how it works at all. and that fact that it need to cured at all shows how hateful you are

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            Amen!

          • amostpolitedebate

            Bigotry is by it’s very definition cruelty to, animus towards, or intolerance of an individual based only on their existence as part of a larger group.

            There is no practical or pragmatic justification for the cruelty I’ve seen directed at gay people by Christians. They could easily give them what they want and leave them alone and it would cost them nothing. Gay marriage cost them nothing. Workplace protections cost them nothing. Allowing them to eat a meal in peace costs them nothing. Yet Christians continue to do everything in their power to antagonize and slander an entire population that has done nothing to them, while at the same time denying them equality under the law for no reason other than they see gay people as inferior and don’t want to have to have mundane everyday interactions with “icky” people.

            If that doesn’t deserve the title of “bigotry” then I don’t know what does.

          • Aleksey Kaznacheyev

            Sorry, but I haven’t seen, nor heard of a single Christian or a group of Christians that oppress homosexual people. And, I’m talking about God-fearing Christians that build their foundation on the Word of God, and not the ‘Christians’ that abuse the Word of God to fit their corrupted ideas. I don’t know what the media has been feeding you, but clearly you are buying their soup of brainwash. Representing Christians as monsters is the trend nowadays and liberals have done such a good job at this, people are actually starting to believe them. If a group pretending to be Christian shows cruelty towards another group, liberals will flash it on every news website and people will believe it. Not even realizing that the problem is not Christianity or Christians, but that one group that has nothing to do with the church or straightforwardly abuses the Word of God. It’s been like that for some time now. KKK, for instance, declared themselves to be a Christian group. Their actions, however, showed nothing of the kind. It’s just very frustrating. Say your name was John Smith and you were a very law-obedient, righteous man. Then some maniac takes out a gun and starts shooting into a crowd of people yelling “In the name of John Smith, you guys need to die”. I mean, that’s exactly how we Christians feel when people bring up those cases where people, pretending to be part of the Church of Christ, do things that are completely wrong.

            And, if you’re referring to Christians standing up for traditional marriage as cruelty and bigotry shown towards homosexual people, then I’m sorry, but we’re just defending what was established from the dawn of mankind, by the Word of God. If this was Soviet Union, for instance, I wouldn’t be wasting my time reaching the government and petitioning them to uphold Biblical values. Why? Because they are atheists, and they don’t follow God’s Word, so for them God’s law has no authority. But, the reason I am speaking up on this issue in America is because America was founded on Christian principles and every president so far has been sworn in with a symbolic hand on the Bible method. Obama even used two Bibles on his inauguration. You could say “it’s just an ‘outdated’ tradition,” but to me and most other Christians it shows that the President is also making a promise to defend Biblical values and that he will also be held accountable to God and the church. Hence, why there is such an outcry from Christians recently towards the government and the president.

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            Some will have to wait till the after life to understand what the Christians were trying to do. Christians care enough about lost souls to try to reach them. Shalom <

          • bill2

            you are nothing bu a hateful arrogant pig

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            Thank you for your kindness! Shalom <

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            You show what side really has TRUE HATE. Shalom <

          • bill2

            you. you deny science and fact in favor of your bullshit mythology.

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            I don’t cuss like you do. You are full of (((((((HATE!)))))))))
            May God in Heaven Deliver you from your ((((HATE)))) And from Same sex attraction ! In the Name of Yeshua the Son of God!
            May you become living proof of the Deliverance you (((Deny))))
            Shalom <

          • bill2

            you need help.

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            You need God and His Deliverance and His spiritual healing. If it is God’s will for you to be Delivered and healed ,May His Will for you to be Delivered and healed here as His Will is done in Heaven . In the Name of Yeshua Shalom <

          • bill2

            I prefer Thor. he has a hammer

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            Shalom <

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            One funny thing about you calling me a Hateful arrogant Pig . Is that I am not the one being (((HATEFUL)))) Nor am I the one cussing at others. (((((YOU)))) are the one showing ((((((HATE))))) Look at all the hateful words you have spoken to the Christians. They have been speaking to you in love. But you are the one speaking (((((((HATE)))))) God is trying to reach you through Christians. You are Rejecting God. But God is not Rejecting you. God (loves) you so much that He wants to Deliver you. In the Name of Yeshua may you be Delivered and Saved through the Blood of Christ that He shed for you.
            < God Loves you.<Jesus died for you < Sholom

          • bill2

            you’re crazy

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            Thank you . And God will save you ! 🙂

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            I’ll talk to you on the other side of life. Shalom <

          • Oboehner

            It is learned behavior much like a drug addiction.

          • bill2

            no it’s not.

          • Oboehner

            Yup, it is.

          • MisterPine

            “Birth defect”? I thought you said it was chosen?

          • Oboehner

            Read more carefully before making yourself look like an idiot.

          • bill2

            the science say otherwise and that’s what matter not your fables

          • Oboehner

            “science” pushed by gay activists like their gay gene fraud.

          • bill2

            the science pushed by intelligent people

          • Oboehner

            Intelligent people push fraudulent science? Sad.

          • MisterPine

            It isn’t, and you cannot produce evidence of what you say because there is none.

          • Oboehner

            Far more evidence than any saying it’s a birth defect.

          • MisterPine

            Evidence will come from science, not from radical fundamentalists.

          • Jack Rohde

            Look at the twin studies, where the percentage of identical gay twins both being gay is exactly that of the regular population of non twin siblings being gay, being gay is all about different degrees of childhood loss and suffering.

          • MisterPine

            That’s a rather bizarre statement, do you have a scientific source? As a social worker who works with gay people I have never heard that in my life.

          • Guglielmo Marinaro

            Just an unproven theory, snatched out of the air.

          • Oboehner

            Right, real science not assumptions based on religious beliefs.

          • MisterPine

            Which is what scientists provide…being that they are scientists and not inclined to assumptions.

          • Oboehner

            The would toss your religion in the trash then, it’s based on assumption.

          • MisterPine

            I have no religion, idiot man. I am an atheist.

      • Levi

        If you have people that claimed to be “born that way” and then their sexuality changed later (such as what you have in this article), then the research is incomplete and is ignoring people who should have been considered for such a decision. Moreover, just because it wasn’t removed from the list of mental disorders doesn’t mean it can’t be changed. Also, there is controversy as to why it was removed from the list. There are reports of bullying, threats and physical violence by LGBTQ extremist supporters.

        • RWH

          This claim of bullying has been debunked over and over. Snopes should provide you with all the details you want. If you have ever been to one of these meetings, you will see that meetings can be rancorous, but votes are by secret ballot on issues such as this. True professionals, and these people are true professionals, do not get intimidated easily. However, the power of persuasion is not bullying except as seen by a disgruntled loser.

          • Richard

            > This claim of bullying has been debunked over and over.

            No it hasn’t. If you read the history of the decision, you’ll see the only reason it was changed was because of gay activism.

          • RWH

            You seem to be giving the gays too much power. The power to persuade is not bullying. Bullying suggests the power to make people to do something against their will. It was a secret ballot after two years of discussion. This whole idea that there was fraud or coercion is a simple lie. Professionals in organizations such as these can be the most intransigent, argumentative, and uncooperative people around. Talk to any college dean. You can’t make these people do anything that they don’t want to do. Again, persuasion is not bullying to anyone except to the disgruntled who are sore losers.

          • Richard

            > You seem to be giving the gays too much power.

            Gay activism has changed many policies. Not because of science, but because of the political pressure they’ve applied.

            If you actually check the history, you’ll see that my comments are correct and your explanation downplays the significance of gay activism.

          • RWH

            And so what? Gays have just as much of a constitutional right to seek political change. The problem that you have is that gays have not been content to cower and hide. Rather, they have put a face to the movement, so much so that most everyone knows someone who is gay. This makes it harder for people to build negative stereotypes except among those who deliberately shield themselves off from gays.

            However, professional organizations base their resolutions upon research and the findings of that research. Educated people realize this. Demagogues like to make blanket accusations based on bias. And this is the reason why your side is losing in courts. Unsupported accusations are not privileged over careful research designs that pass muster.

            On another note, why can’t people be happy being what they are. Identify yourself as a Lutheran, and Episcopalian, a Baptist, anything other than an Ex-Catholic. If someone supposedly left the “lifestyle,” by happy being a straight rather than be known as an Ex- anything.

          • Richard

            > However, professional organizations base their resolutions upon research and the findings of that research.

            If you believe that, you are naive. Political pressure has a great deal to do what society accepts. Check macroevolution for a history lesson.

            > why can’t people be happy being what they are.

            You aren’t a homosexual. You practice homosexual behavior. There’s a vast difference.

          • RWH

            Unfortunately, you are a lone voice in the wilderness. People have spouted this line in the courts, and they haven’t gotten very far. On the other hand, professional organizations, and there are several now, have presented their research, and the courts have accepted it. Regerius is a prime example. He produced a study, and several others have come forward with damming information–to the point that Regerius has been so discredited that the courts won’t accept his research as factual. So, you can claim that there is no such a thing as a homosexual, but the courts haven’t seen that, so much so that gay marriage has been accepted in the majority of states. Unfortunately, this leaves people like you screaming in the dark. The only audience you have is like-minded people, and your group is quickly shrinking.

          • Richard

            > Unfortunately, you are a lone voice in the wilderness.

            Not at all. This information has been around since the mid 60s. It since has been suppressed by gay pressure.

            > People have spouted this line in the courts, and they haven’t gotten very far.

            Gay pressure again. But just wait. Things are about to do a dramatic change…since honest research is coming forward.

            > to the point that Regerius has been so discredited that the courts won’t accept his research as factual.

            Here’s an example of gay activism. Intelligent Design is similar. It’s rejected because of political pressure within the science community, not because it isn’t sound scientifically.

            > this leaves people like you screaming in the dark.

            No. It’s gay activists that are in the dark. Just wait a few months.

          • RWH

            Yeah, that’s what they all say. The problem is that the people who really count–like the courts–don’t believe you. Intelligent Design was rejected because it was proved in court that it is nothing more than Creationism light. The only ones that claim bias are the sore losers. And the courts have found all sorts of flaws with this “honest research” that you tout. They’re going to believe the APA, the AMA, and the American Academy of Pediatricians more than they are going to for some religious right front group posing as legitimate scientists. The courts have seen through that masquerade. And the term “gay activist” is the trademark of the sore loser. So, keep on screaming in the dark.

            What is really relevant is that the so-called leadership likes to talk the talk, but it can’t walk the walk. I lived outside of Wichita, KS during the summer of 1991, the Summer of Mercy that Operation Rescue put on. They convinced a bunch of naive kids to get themselves arrested. When these kids graduated from college, they found out that they were disqualified from a number of good jobs because they had an arrest record. The leadership basically dumped them, telling them to “man up.” When Judge Kelley threw the book at them, this bunch fled the state rather than to risk jail time. They appealed to the Appellate Court in Denver and lost.

          • Richard

            > Yeah, that’s what they all say. The problem is that the people who really count–like the courts–don’t believe you.

            That’s about to change. Are you ready for the fallout?

      • Richard

        That’s nonsense. The facts disprove no one can change.

        • amostpolitedebate

          I’m not entirely clear what you mean by “Homosexuality is a behavior…nothing else.”

          What exactly do you think is going on in a gay person’s head? Do you think gay men secretly harbor crushes on female acquaintances but instead seek out relationships with men they feel nothing for? For that matter do you as a straight man often have crushes on men you are forced to suppress? (I never get a good answer from people on this one :/)

          I suspect what’s happening here is that you’re willfully ignoring what goes on in people’s heart’s entirely and just focusing on the resulting behavior. It’s actually a word game a lot of the ex-gay organizations like to play so that they can say their programs work. They don’t actually stop people from having romantic feelings for people of the same gender but instead just brow-beat people into not acting on them. They still feel only same-sex attractions and are often miserable for it, but that’s not important because they technically stopped having gay sex are are now “cured”.

          • Richard

            A study of behavioral sciences would convey to you that all desires and emotions start in the mind by how we think about things. Those thoughts come from our system of beliefs, which we learn as we live.

            Based on our desires – those things we like and dislike – we can then choose to act.

            Homosexuality is all about desire and acting on it. It has nothing to do with a genetic or biological cause.

          • Bobby Mae

            Come Richie, you never answered amost’s question. Do you have feelings towards men that you actively suppress?

          • JustSomebody

            Wow, it’s like you actually want him to be gay or something.

          • Bobby Mae

            He speaks on the topic with such “insight” I have to wonder.

          • Bobby Mae

            And of course Richard didn’t answer your question. 🙂

        • MisterPine

          “Homosexuality is a behavior…nothing else.”

          Despite the fact that it’s been pointed out to you countless times that the dictionary says nothing about it being a behavior, but an attraction.

      • Oboehner

        It was taken off the list due to pressure by gay activists protesting against the APA convention in San Francisco and subsequent years until the APA caved, not declaring homosexuality normal, merely taking it off the list.

        • MisterPine

          Horse crap. You can’t lobby scientific bodies. Facts are facts.

          • Oboehner

            Facts are facts, the gay activists through their usual methods got it removed.

          • MisterPine

            Facts are INDEED facts, which is precisely why NO activist would have the ability to get it removed.

          • Oboehner

            It’s your fantasyland…

          • MisterPine

            Sure, sky fairy man.

          • Oboehner

            Back atcha exploding dot boy.

          • MisterPine

            Do you even care that all your attacks are strawmen?

          • Oboehner

            Do you even care you obviously have no clue you are doing the same?

          • MisterPine

            And so obviously you have no clue what a strawman is, either. Fine. No surprise. But I am NOT misrepresenting your position, Boner, as you are doing with me. You’ve openly called evolution “magic” and a “religion” and that opens you up to ridicule. Don’t tell me or any other people of science that we believe in exploding dots, because we don’t. And the more you repeat the phrase, the more asinine you look. Even though I know repetition of BS is your thing.

          • Oboehner

            No exploding dots, then how did we get here? Aliens?

          • MisterPine

            How about “we don’t know yet”? It might not be nice and neat like your Bible-God, but it’s honest.

          • Oboehner

            Then where does your exploding dot fit in?

          • MisterPine

            You tell me…it’s your invention, not mine.

          • Oboehner

            My invention? How about taught is science class, so according to you it’s fact.

          • MisterPine

            No, because the Big Bang theory is not about an exploding dot. That’s why yours is a strawman. You have been misinformed.

          • Oboehner

            Misinformed by high school “science” class.

          • MisterPine

            Yes, heaven knows a fundie knows much more about such things than teachers, scientists, mathematicians, etc.

      • Shaunagh

        Its also true to point out that some kids who have been sexually abused grow up thinking they are homosexual when they discover they are not but have been confused due to the abuse not ALL cases but its true to note that some are so in that case these people were not born homosexual but chose that way

        • amostpolitedebate

          There is absolutely no scientific evidence to support the idea that childhood abuse causes homosexuality.

      • shellyTheGreat

        they took it off the list because gay advocates pressured them to do so.

    • UmustBKiddinMe

      “there are thousands upon thousands of ex-gays”

      Really? There are “thousands upon thousands” of people who were exclusively homosexual regarding their sexual, emotional, and romantic attractions who are not exclusively heterosexual regarding their sexual, emotional and romantic attractions. Please, provide the source of this information.

      • Richard

        Yes. What do you think ‘homosexual’ means?

    • Peter Leh

      did she “change” her sexuality? has she not always admitted in her testimony of being attracted to men AND women? that is not gay. that is bisexual.

      she is bisexual.

    • David Cromie

      What on earth gives you that idea? Yes, some homosexuals do live (and not very happily, or completely fulfilled, I expect) as heterosexuals, but they are still homosexual, even when not participating in homosexual behaviour. As pointed out by UmustBKiddinMe, even Exodus International had to admit defeat, when they came to realise that the sky fairy had met its match with non ‘curable’ homosexuality.

  • amostpolitedebate

    While anecdotes like this come up form time to time the vast majority of the research directly contradicts the idea that sexuality can be radically changed. More importantly, the techniques and programs pushed by conversion therapy advocates have not only been proven ineffective but have been shown time and again to do real and lasting harm to the people they claim to want to help. They should NOT be pushed as a cure for homosexuality.

    • eldora2193

      Nowhere in this article do I see anything about reparative or conversion therapy. She is talking about a relationship with Jesus that changed her heart.It certainly doesn’t sound like anything was forced on her, so I don’t even know where some of these comments are coming from. Obviously some kind of bias.

  • robertzaccour

    I don’t claim to be an expert on the matter but it seems to me that gay people have a variance in perception of reality. For example someone might actually believe that they are Batman.

    • amostpolitedebate

      No I’m pretty sure that boner they have when they think of the cute bistro at Starbucks is very real.

    • Bobby Mae

      I’d advise you to not make anymore comments. Not a good luck bro.

  • uzza

    Re that special note—why would refugees from Iraq be illiterate?

  • amostpolitedebate

    I love the way people talk about escaping the homosexual “lifestyle” as if they were living a life of forced prostitution in Sudan.

    Here’s what the “gay lifestyle” looks like from the inside:

    -You have a boyfriend/husband instead of a girlfriend/wife
    -That’s it

  • WorldGoneCrazy

    Beautiful witness, Ms. Boynes – thank you for sharing and God bless you!

  • http://notrobsstuff.blogspot.com Robguy

    Yes, sometimes bisexual people decide to live straight lives. -Especially when you can make a nice living of it.

  • Bobby Mae

    Sorry hun, but if you ever have a relationship with a person of the same sex you’re at least bisexual. You can tell the public that God changed you in order to gain money from older republicans who have a few extra bucks to give you, but you’re not fooling anyone.

  • Reason2012

    They are not interested in the truth of how homosexuality is not genetic – the movement is for no other reason than to censor and criminalize Christian beliefs one step at a time. The current attack is on marriage.

    • amostpolitedebate

      We don’t hate Christians. We’re just done letting you hurt our friends and loved ones for no reason. Sorry if that feels like persecution to you.

      • Reason2012

        It’s not hurting your feelings to point out the FACT that adults continue to turn away from homosexuality even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”. The only hate is from homosexuals that HATE ex-gays, calling them all liars as you can see from the posts here. Why do you hate them so much?

        • TrillProphecies93

          I hate you very much. No one is going to stand for your bull any longer. You are not better than anyone else! All people deserve basic human rights! You are not God!

          • Reason2012

            I know you hate. But people are not going to stand for your hate and lies anymore trying to convince everyone it’s genetic and change our laws to promote your hate. Yes, all people deserve basic human rights, except those you hate, of course.

          • TrillProphecies93

            You hate also your just not saying it outright. If God is love how do you use his so called word to spew hatred? I thought he loves everyone? Even you cherry picking Christians?

          • Reason2012

            You’re the only one spewing nasty hate here, friend. I spread the truth of how there’s hope from such thing and that elicits your vile hatred.

          • Reason2012

            Sorry, but helping others turn away from things is only hate in your eyes, because you want to believe the lie you have no choice.
            So you think everyone’s getting into heaven? No, Jesus says the majority are not. But He wants everyone to repent, and most people will not.

          • MisterPine

            Turning people away from homosexuality isn’t helping them. For one thing, it’s impossible. For another, it flies in the face of what we know about human sexuality from science.

          • amostpolitedebate

            I’m not entirely sure you understand what “hate” and “bigotry” actually are.

        • amostpolitedebate

          I don’t hate the Ms. Boynes. If what she did worked for her then that’s great. However the vast majority of the research out there has shown that attempting to use faith to “fix” one’s sexuality not only doesn’t work but can do real harm.

          I also have a big problem with the fact that most Christians advocating conversion don’t actually seem to care that much about the happiness or wellbeing of gay people. Instead these stories seem to be little more than a rhetorical tool that lets them justify their continued cruelty to people who have done them no harm. The reasoning being that if they don’t like it they can just quit being gay.

          • Reason2012

            The homosexual activists’ “research” is what’s false. The growing number of cases of adults that turn away from homosexuality on their own is the observable, repeatable, scientific fact that trumps homosexula activists’ opinions passed off as “research” that people turn away from it and hence it’s not genetic.

            So “caring” about their wellbeing would be trying to convinced them they should stay “homosexual”? How is that caring for their wellbeing? Would it be caring for someone’s wellbeing to convince them there’s no hope for drug addictions either?

            You don’t seem to understand what caring for someone’s wellbeing means, or have changed it to fit your narrative.

      • RWH

        And Governor George Wallace said that he didn’t hate the blacks either.

    • UmustBKiddinMe

      “in the truth of how homosexuality is not genetic”

      In order to state that as fact, you would need to have knowledge of the working of every gene in the human body. If you have such knowledge, please share it with the numerous teams who are attempting to determine the function of every gene in the body – they would no doubt be very grateful.

      “The current attack is on marriage.”

      How is marriage being “attacked”? Will man/female couples no longer be allowed to marry?

      • Richard

        > you would need to have knowledge of the working of every gene in the human body.

        Genes don’t determine homosexuality. That’s been proven years ago.

      • Reason2012

        In order to state it’s genetic, you need to show the “gay” gene. There’s no such thing. There’s the scientific fact.

        Adults continue to turn away from homosexuality on their own even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”. There’s your observable, repeatable, scientific fact.

        Trying to re-define and change what God defined is the attack.

  • TrillProphecies93

    She is just lying to herself to be accepted. Her family and friends were probably filling her head with BS so she finally just gave in. I’m 100% sure her urges and attraction are still there. She is just not acting on them to play a role in which she knows she isn’t truly about. You can’t change your sexuality but you can choose to repress it and not act on it. That is the only thing she is doing. Plus why did she have to be another AA, everyone already thinks we’re homophobes! Which is far from true because I’m an AA bisexual young woman smh. News flash, plenty of black people are LGBT too. Just had to add that in because of other comments I seen on stories before.

    • Reason2012

      Yes, homosexuals are just lying to themselves. Others filled their heads with garbage until they give in. Heterosexual urges are and attractions have always been there, they are just not acting on them to play a role which they know they truly aren’t about. That is the only thing homosexuals are doing.

      • TrillProphecies93

        Look please stop with your BS I don’t believe a word you say. This is why everyone is starting to turn on you Christian bigots! If this is America that is supposed to be free why do you think you have the right to discriminate? Nothing but Christian terrorist! Can’t wait till religion is a thing of the past! Your weak and can be easily brainwashed by what ever the majority tells you.

        • Reason2012

          And hence you get the point: no one believes a word you say. But thank you for showing yet again how much nasty hate you have. It helps wake more people up, and for that I thank you.

          • TrillProphecies93

            No you sir showing your stupidity and hatred! But go back to trying to convert people like the terror group you bastards are. Forcing your ways down other people’s throats.

          • Reason2012

            You say
            “BS”
            “I dont’ believe a word you say”
            “bigots!”
            “terrorist!”
            “brainwashed”
            “bastard”
            Then claim others are the haters. Again, I thank you for being such a shining example of the hate you people are really about.
            Please response with more nasty hate to keep proving it – the fact is people are getting fed up with your bitter hatred.

      • amostpolitedebate

        Wait, what? You think gay guys are secretly getting boners for women but are instead just choosing to have sex with men that they feel nothing for?

      • Bobby Mae

        Do you have proof of this? You write as if you’ve experienced this yourself?

        • Reason2012

          You missed the point – just paraphrasing his false narrative back at him, but ironically it is more accurate more often when put in this way.

          • Bobby Mae

            I experience same sex attraction. He supposedly doesn’t. Who would be more knowledgeable on the topic?

  • Reason2012

    Homosexual activists want you to believe they are telling the truth and the thousands of those who permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way” are all liars.

    • Bobby Mae

      I never chose to be gay. I have tried to be straight but to no avail.

      • Reason2012

        If you were exposed to images, ideas at a young age, you’d never know it. If you are confused, abused (too young to remember) and so on, you’d never know it. It’s hard to recover from such things, but it is possible, and the fact that it’s possible proves it is in no way genetic.

        • Bobby Mae

          Ah, OK, well thanks for the help and making me feel better. You should treat everyone you think is abused that way, it shows what a good godly man you are.

          • Reason2012

            Telling people it’s possible to recover from such things is bad? How so? Should I instead feed them the lie that they have no hope and are doomed to such things?

          • Bobby Mae

            Sad you don’t even realize the things you’re saying, especially on a topic you’ve never experienced (or are you an exgay?). I tell you my experience and you claim that i was either exposed to things or abused, followed by that I can definitely change (as if you know me) since “science has proven it’s not genetic.”

          • Reason2012

            This woman experienced it and she’s pointing it out. Why do you hate her so much for pointing out the truth?

            So again, telling people it’s possible to recover from such things (which is a FACT) is bad? How so? Should I instead feed them the lie that they have no hope and are doomed to such things, when that’s an outright lie?

          • Bobby Mae

            I’ve told you I’ve tried to be straight but each time it couldn’t. You won’t believe me?

          • Richard

            Because a person has trouble stopping smoking or addictions, does that mean the person is born that way?

            Hardly. Unhealthy behaviors require work to change.

          • Bobby Mae

            Being gay isn’t a behavior. You don’t have to act on it. But not acting on it doesn’t make you straight.

          • Richard

            > Being gay isn’t a behavior.

            Yes, it is. People learn, then choose what they are attracted to. No one is born gay.

            > But not acting on it doesn’t make you straight.

            Working at resolving the deep psychological and emotional issues will change the desire. Many ex-gays just choose a different preference. There are many ways to become an ex-gay.

          • Bobby Mae

            So you’re an exgay since you know this subject so well right? Or a medical professional?

          • Richard

            Not gay. But a mental health specialist with years of training.

          • Bobby Mae

            Ohh Great, so you tell people oN the gay suicide hotline that this was all their choice to be like this ?

          • Richard

            Have you ever been to a therapist?

            Therapists help their patients understand their issues, then help them make behavioral change. It’s done in a loving, compassionate, and thoughtful way…if you are working with a good therapist.

          • Bobby Mae

            Yep you don’t answer my question. 🙂

          • Richard

            I did. Read my answer again.

          • Bobby Mae

            Behavioral change doesn’t mean you’re going to get a boner to a woman instead of men, which isn’t behavior. Sorry for the graphic terms (not really tho) but you don’t seem to get it

          • Richard

            Yes, it will. You don’t understand this because you have no training. Going by what you know to be true doesn’t mean what you know is true. This is a common problem for people who struggle with a variety of issues…until they get help, they won’t understand their problems.

          • MisterPine

            You are no such thing, Richard. You don’t even understand the dictionary definition of homosexuality and that it isn’t a behavior.

          • Bobby Mae

            Many exgays do not “just choose a different preference.” Obviously if it were that easy they wouldnt be in therapy to begin with. Could you just get a boner looking at a man Richard? Really? You could choose that if you wanted to? That is what you’re saying you ignorant fool.

          • Richard

            > Many exgays do not “just choose a different preference.”

            Yes, they do. You just don’t understand how how that happens.

            > Obviously if it were that easy they wouldnt be in therapy to begin with.

            Your comments show you don’t know much about psychology or behavioral science. Most untrained people don’t know why they choose certain behaviors, but that doesn’t mean they don’t.

            As for the rest of your comment, once again, you don’t understand behavior, which is why you don’t get it. But that doesn’t mean no one else understands it.

          • Bobby Mae

            Sweetheart I’m gay I think I would know more than someone who claims to not be gay. I get offended when people try and tell me about my own life when they don’t even know me. I never chose to be attracted to the same sex.

          • Richard

            > I’m gay I think I would know more than someone who claims to not be gay.

            Unless you are professionally trained in psychology and behavior, you wouldn’t know. You are only acting on what you believe is true. But that is no indication as to what is really going on.

            Until you are trained…or seek therapy, you won’t know.

          • Bobby Mae

            Oh eff off little richard

          • Richard

            Go get some help, Bobby. You’ll learn a lot.

          • Bobby Mae

            No, I’m sick and tired of people on the internet telling me they know me and that I’m lying when I say that I never chose to be attracted to the same sex.

          • Richard

            With all respect, if you’ve had no training in psychology or behavioral sciences, you wouldn’t know. But that doesn’t mean no one else does.

            Therapists help people understand their issues and make healthy change all the time. That’s what they are trained to do. Without this training, you wouldn’t know.

            I understand it’s a mystery to you. But if you went for help, you would gain a good understanding of the issues that cause gay behavior. Then you’d be in a better position to voice an informed opinion.

          • Bobby Mae

            Oh yeah, a “straight” man on the internet telling me that I chose to be gay and that if I went to therapy I would turn straight. Lol

          • Richard

            You can laugh if you want. But the many ex-gays demonstrate my comments are true.

            While you may not like or agree with my comments, I’ve seen many people make change over the years. The facts and evidence speak for themselves.

          • Bobby Mae

            So you see one person say they’ve changed therefore all can?

          • Bobby Mae

            And idk how you’ve “seen” it… For all you know they may be masturbating to the same sex which would NOT make them straight.

          • Richard

            Come on. Be realistic.

          • Bobby Mae

            That is absolutely realistic! Being gay starts in the mind…

          • Richard

            > Being gay starts in the mind…

            That is correct. It starts with thinking. If you want a different outcome, change your thinking.

          • MisterPine

            You are not professionally trained either Richard.

          • MisterPine

            Richard, everything you say on this subject flies straight in the face of what we learn from reputable psychologists and mental health experts. Every little bit. We know that homosexuality is NOT caused by “psychological and emotional issues,” that was thrown out decades ago. I suspect you are making up your findings.

          • Bobby Mae

            So let’s say a man is attracted to men but doesn’t act on it. However, he has no attraction to women. Is this man a heterosexual or homosexual?

          • Reason2012

            Yes, many people have tried to get off drugs too and each time couldn’t. Doesn’t mean being addicted is genetic nor that it’s impossible to get away from it.

          • Bobby Mae

            Well thank you for comparing me to a drug addict, that’s very nice and Christian of you.

          • Bobby Mae

            I love that youre an expert on homosexuality now, what causes it and how to turn straight.

          • Reason2012

            Don’t need to be an expert to see that there’s a growing list of cases of adults on their own permanently turning away from homosexuality, which proves it’s not genetic.

          • Bobby Mae

            Being left handed isn’t genetic, do you choose to be that way? Ps I never said “born this way” but that’s cute of putting words in my mouth

          • Bobby Mae

            And you don’t even know that. As I’ve already said, all ex gay therapies come with a disclaimer that there’s no guarantee you will become straight, rather it’s about suppressing your same sex desires. Get it? Saying you don’t like one thing doesn’t mean you’re necessarily like the other.

          • weasel1886

            What if don’t want to “recover” from such things

          • Richard

            That’s your choice.

          • Reason2012

            If you don’t want to, fine. But what’s fascinating is the utter hate towards others who show they have recovered from such things and prove it’s not genetic. Why hate her? You may continue believing you have no choice so how does her testimony affect you?

          • weasel1886

            I don’t care what she does or says. It’s her life not mine

          • Reason2012

            Using your logic, have you ever experienced turning away from homosexuality? If not, then you don’t even realize what YOU are saying. Touche?

            It’s observable, repeatable, scientific fact it’s not genetic via the proof of adults turning away from it. Get back to me when people turn away from being white and end up with black skin via will power. See, that’s genetic.

          • Bobby Mae

            Yes I HAVE tried being straight, multiple times.

          • Richard

            Lots of people have tried to quit smoking multiple times and failed too. Were they born to smoke?

          • Bobby Mae

            OK I’m done I refuse to be compared to a drug addict.

          • Richard

            Behavior is behavior. They can both be changed by changing behavior.

          • Bobby Mae

            IT’S NOT A BEHAVIOR.

          • Richard

            Yes, it is. Denying it just means you are in denial.

          • Bobby Mae

            A gay man who doesn’t act on his desires is still gay.

          • Richard

            Does that mean a person who wants to murder his enemy but doesn’t is still a murderer?

          • Bobby Mae

            Idiot. Answer this: if a gay man doesn’t have sex with men, does that mean he’s straight and does feel attracted to women?

          • Bobby Mae

            SeXual orientation is not the same as murder you imbecile. If you truly are a mental health professional you need your license revoked.

          • MisterPine

            Do you need to see the dictionary definition again so we can prove for the umpteenth time that homosexuality is not a “behavior”?

          • Bobby Mae

            Funny how much time a “straight” man is trying to convince a gay person that they choose to be this way. Is that how you spend your time? Attack others to make you feel better about yourself?

          • Bobby Mae

            A gay man or woman who isn’t behaving (aka having sex) is still gay.

          • bill2

            yes because it’s true.

          • Reason2012

            I didn’t say they were abused 100% of the time. That you are intent on being dishonest to make your points says it all.
            But at least others will see how dishonest you are being, so for that I thank you.

          • Bobby Mae

            Well you’re telling me why I’m gay. Clearly you know better than me

        • weasel1886

          I guess we should expose children to heterosexual porn and molestation when young to make such they grow up straight? Sound logic

          • Richard

            Your problem is your faulty logic.

          • Reason2012

            No, if not exposed to such perversion, it’s normal to grow up heterosexual.

    • amostpolitedebate

      That seems to be an awful big statement about a group you know little about. What makes you sure that they’re lying? Is is truly such a stretch that they simply hold a different, but no less sincere, world views from yourself?

      • Reason2012

        I think you didn’t understand what I read. Homosexual activists are the ones calling all ex-gays liars. So then, do you? If so, what makes you sure they’re lying?

    • UmustBKiddinMe

      “and the thousands of those who permanently turn away from homosexuality”

      Really? So you can point to “thousands” of exclusively homosexual individuals who are not exclusively heterosexual? Please do so.

      • Richard

        Sure. Ask them yourself.

      • Reason2012

        Hello. Google ex-gay and be flooded with testimonies.

  • Bluesman1950

    Bisexual woman favours her heterosexual rather than homosexual side. Praise God, it’s a miracle!

  • Garrison

    It is pointless to debate an issue of a person’s own experience. At best, the conversation is conjecture.

    • Richard

      Facts are facts. Gay supporters just don’t like them.

  • bill2

    “former lesbian” no such thing. you cannot change your sexuality

    • Richard

      It’s obvious you are wrong. She just proved it…as have thousands upon thousands of other ex-gays. Facts are facts. These facts disprove gay activist mantras of deception.

      • UmustBKiddinMe

        “She just proved it”

        Apparently you are unfamiliar with bisexuals.

        • Richard

          Not at all. Are you suggesting bisexuals are born that way too? How about adulterers? Ped o files? Those who commit incest?

          All born that way?

          • UmustBKiddinMe

            I’m not able to say with 100% certainty – nor is anyone – the exact basis of sexuality nor whether it exists at birth. Research to date, however, provides very strong evidence that sexuality is an innate trait that develops based upon both genetic and epigenetic factors. There is no research which suggests that sexuality is merely a choice.

            Adultery and incest are acts. They are not traits.

          • Richard

            > the exact basis of sexuality nor whether it exists at birth.

            Maybe you can’t, but research already has. It’s not a mystery. Sexuality is learned. Check child sexual development. It’s been known for years.

            > Research to date, however, provides very strong evidence that sexuality is an innate trait that develops based upon both genetic and epigenetic factors.

            That’s nonsense. That’s only gay propaganda.

            Identical twin studies disproved the genetic link years ago.

            “The idea that people are born into one type of sexual behavior is entirely foolish,” says John DeCecco, professor of psychology at San Francisco State University and the editor of the 25-volume Journal of Homosexuality. Homosexuality, he says, is a behavior, not a condition, and something that some people can and do change, just like they sometimes change other tastes and personality traits.

            Epigenetic research also shows genes don’t determine behavior, but behavior determines gene expression.

            > There is no research which suggests that sexuality is merely a choice.

            Yes, there is. While people may not realize it is a choice, it is. All behavior is choice based on learned preferences.

            > Adultery and incest are acts. They are not traits.

            They are chosen acts. The same is true for homosexuality. Even though gay proponents would like us to believe otherwise.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Or liars.

      • SFBruce

        This one woman’s story means absolutely nothing for other gay people. I have no idea if her sexual orientation has actually changed, or if something else is going on, but mainstream psychologists and psychiatrists believe that gay people who try to change their sexual orientation are only rarely successful, if ever. Robert Spitzer, a psychiatrist who did a study which purported to show that some highly motivated individuals might be successful in changing from gay to straight, but he’s since said that even those modest conclusions were wrong, and has apologized to the gay community. Exodus has closed, and Alan Chambers has also apologized for misleading people about changing sexual orientation. Of course, you’ll dismiss all this as the result of bullying by a tiny minority, but if you really follow the facts, there’s only one place they’ll lead.

        • Richard

          > This one woman’s story means absolutely nothing for other gay people.

          There are thousands upon thousands of these stories. They disprove the gay mantra that gays can’t change.

          Facts are facts. You just don’t like them so you try and dismiss them. This is called denial.

          • SFBruce

            Thousands upon thousands???? And you think I’m in denial? What you don’t seem to understand is a handful of vocal individuals claiming to have changed their orientation simply doesn’t qualify as proof that it’s possible for most people to to change their sexual orientation.

          • Richard

            Why don’t you research ex-gay for yourself. There are thousands, if not millions over the years. Only gay supporters deny this fact.

          • SFBruce

            I’ve done the research. Name one reputable study that supports your claim.

          • Richard

            > I’ve done the research.

            Sure you have. The article you are commenting on verifies my claim. And there are many more.

          • SFBruce

            One person’s story isn’t a study. But if you really are interested in the facts, as you claim, you might take a look at the work of Shido and Shroeder who published a study in 2002 which found that of 202 respondents who had attempted to change from gay to straight, that 88% had failed, while 3% considered themselves to be successful.

          • Richard

            Many people fail at quitting smoking, too. Stopping addictions? Stop being angry?

            That’s more of a reflection of the type of program and the person’s willingness to change than anything ‘hardwired.’

          • SFBruce

            You think a 3% success rate is good? And yes, it’s hard to quit smoking, but in that case the effort is worth it, since the data is clear that smoking endangers one’s health. Being gay isn’t a disease. I’m still waiting for you to name one of the many studies that show gay people can change if they really want to.

          • Richard

            > You think a 3% success rate is good?

            As I said, just because some programs aren’t very good, doesn’t mean they all aren’t good.

            >I’m still waiting for you to name one of the many studies that show gay people can change if they really want to.

            Re-read the article again. Then, search for similar articles. You’ll find a great many.

            I noticed you didn’t acknowledge the list of ex-gay authors.

          • SFBruce

            This article is not a study, it’s one person’s story. Just because one person has a particular experience doesn’t mean everyone does. Name an actual study, not one person’s story, but real data which can fairly be generalized to a larger population.

            I have no idea what you’re talking about when you reference a “list of ex-gay authors.”

          • Richard

            Books written by ex-gay authors:
            – Beyond Gay, by David Morrison
            – Born That Way? By Erin Eldridge
            – Closing the Closet: Testimonies of Deliverance from Homosexuality, Talbert Swan
            – Free Indeed, by Barbara Swallow
            – Growth Into Manhood: Resuming the Journey, by Alan Medinger
            – Healing Homosexuality: Case Studies of Reparative Therapy, by Joseph Nicolosi
            – Out of Egypt: Leaving Lesbianism Behind, by Jeanette Howard
            – A Place in the Kingdom, by Garrick and Ginger Hyde
            – Portraits of Freedom: 14 People Who Came Out of Homosexuality, by Bob Davies
            – Voices of Hope, 22 Personal Essays, Compiled by Ty Mansfield
            – You Don’t Have to be Gay, by Jeff Konrad

            For more ex-gay stories:

            ex-gaytruth dot com/ex-gay-testimonies/

          • SFBruce

            Apparently, you just don’t understand the difference between testimonies, or anecdotal evidence, and an actual study in which study participants are chosen such that, when interviewed, the results of those interviews can be generalized to a larger population.

          • Richard

            I know the difference quite well. But practical evidence, and in such volume, speaks for itself. Unless you don’t like truth and facts.

          • SFBruce

            And yet, despite that fact that I’ve asked multiple time for a single study to support your claim, all you can come up with is anecdotal data. I guess that’s what you call “practical evidence,” which proves absolutely nothing.

          • Richard

            As I said, the many ex-gays speaks for itself. Why would you need a study to prove what has already been proven, repeated, and repeatedly verified?

          • SFBruce

            You still are either unwilling or able to name a single study (not individual testimonies) that prove that gay people can become straight if they just try hard enough.

          • MisterPine

            If you have taught someone not to have sex, you have not succeeded in changing their sexuality. Only their behavior.

          • MisterPine

            “Beyond Gay”, David Morrison

            “This book is just another attempt to render a vibrant, embracing faith into a closed, backward ideology. It does a disservice to the affirming message of Christ, to Gay Christians and those who love them.

            One might as well argue that the world is flat (Which is the “literal” interpretation of the Old testament cosmology) as claim that one can change their natural, god-given sexual orientation be it towards members of the same gender or not.
            My definition of morality involves compassion, justice, and truth. By these standards this book is immoral.”

            “Born that Way?”, Erin Eldridge

            “If it were not so tragic, it might almost be amusing to notice the parallel between books that tell you how to overcome SSA with the aid of Mormonism, and books that tell you how to overcome Mormonism with the aid of Baptist anti-cult “healers.” I wonder if there are any gay/lesbian Mormons out there who learned how to escape from SSA, and then learned how to escape from Mormonism? If you can leave one thing, you can leave the other thing! If you unleash the dog, there’s no telling where it might wander.”

            “Closing the Closet: Testimonies of Deliverance from Homosexuality”, Talbert Swan

            “Closing The Closet” This kind of thinly disguised homophobia makes me sad, and angry. How is it that so many “good Christian people” are in fact ignorant bigots who promote intolerance and seem to delight in making other people’s lives unhappy by heaping misplaced guilt upon them. My advice is: open the closet, but leave this book well and truly closed.”

            “Growth Into Manhood: Resuming the Journey,” Alan Medinger

            “Reparative therapy has been outlawed in Ecuador. That’s right, people like the author can be, and should be, arrested if they go to Ecuador and try practicing this voodoo. These therapists all seem alike. They all think that being gay has something to do with effeminacy, they all think that homosexuality is a disorder or disease or problem or whatever, they all think that you should switch to heterosexuality because organized religion says so, they all think that psychoanalytic psychotherapeutic psychotherapy has all the answers, the answers always having something to do with your parents or your failure to play football or whatever, and all of these voodoo priests are Republicans who get their news from Fox or World Net Daily. I dare you to find even one reparative therapist who is a Democrat. Why is it that a man can’t be a “real” man unless he prefers football to Shakespeare?”

            “Healing Homosexuality: Case Studies of Reparative Therapy”, Joseph Nicolosi

            “Nicolosi has long been not only out of step, but denounced by every helping professional association including the American Psychological Association for promoting an unethical approach to homosexuality that has no research based evidence that it has any success at all, other than to increase the stigma and shame of being gay. Contemporary psychoanalytical practitioners have uniformly denounced his work as unethical, non-research based, and biased. Contemporary science is overwhelmingly conclusive that sexual orientation is genetic and attempts to “repair” it lead only to traumatic results with unsuspecting clients. Sexual Orientation is NOT a psychological condition or mental illness according to the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM). If you are struggle with issues of sexual orientation, DO NOT READ THIS BOOK. Rather, consult an ethical and professional psychotherapist for help.”

          • MisterPine

            “Out of Egypt: Leaving Lesbianism Behind”, Jeanette Howard

            “This book comes strongly recommended by the bible-thumping homophobes who prey on those unfortunate enough to fall into their clutches.

            Ex-gay therapy – which is what this book is about – is known to be harmful and completely ineffective. Firstly, sexual orientation is known to be biological and unchangeable (it may be fluid, but that’s because life isn’t black and white).

            Secondly, given that homosexual behaviour exists in many other species and has never evolved out, it isn’t harmful to the species and may even be beneficial. If you want to argue the same thing from the religious point of view: if God made someone gay, then God had a reason for it and it isn’t for you to argue.

            You can’t fix what ain’t broken.”

            “Portraits of Freedom: 14 People Who Came Out of Homosexuality”, Bob Davies

            “Books such as these continue the myth that homosexuality is wrong – it is sad to think some people still believe this nonsense.”

            “Voices of Hope, 22 Personal Essays”, compiled by Ty Mansfield

            “Voice(s) of Hope is a book written by LDS letter-of-the-law self-loathing SSAs and their supporters for LDS letter-of-the-law self-loathing SSAs and their supporters as a means to support their ends described above. The greatest tragedy, and the biggest issue I have, is that this is the book mom and dad will pick up when little Johnny comes out. They will say, “See, Ty Mansfield got married and so can you.” Cue reprise of conflicted unauthentic lives, failed mixed-orientation marriages and suicides.”

            “You Don’t Have to be Gay”, Jeff Konrad

            “I realize that this book was originally written in 1987 and at that time, the studies cited by this amateur author weren’t so grossly out of date as they are now. However, this book is in its 4th printing (2000) and a good scholar, rather than someone with a moral agenda to push, would have updated their research.

            Even in 1987, the studies cited were outdated, clearly biased and/or lacking any scientific validity whatsoever (psychoanalytic “studies” from the 1960’s), or blatantly misrepresented (John Money’s “success” of gender socialization? Read “As Nature Made Him” by John Colapinto for the real story).

            Gender orientation and sexual orientation are NOT the same thing; homosexuality is not a “symptom” of a “damaged” gender identity. Neither gender nor sexual orientation is 100% socialization, as Konrad tries to claim; there IS an inborn component, which he would have learned had he done some current research – but of course, that would only happen if he had actually wanted to give a fair and balanced study of the topic, which is clearly not his purpose.

            Konrad’s use of “science” is a joke at best and dangerous at worst as he tries to push the idea that homosexuality is a disorder, a symptom, and not only a “choice” but the WRONG choice. This book should’ve died in the 80’s where it belongs.”

      • bill2

        her word proves nothing. and were aren’t thousands the number of so called “ex-gays” can be counted on one hand and still have fingers to spare

  • Richard

    Saying ex-gays are still gay but ‘playing’ hetero, or they were hetero ‘playing’ gay, is like saying all heteros are gay but ‘playing’ straight.

    This foolish logic can be spun in all sorts of ways to suit any opinion. But it doesn’t ever mean it’s actually true.

    Sexuality is learned, then acted on. People can change any time they choose. Homosexuality is a chosen lifestyle, that can be changed anytime. Don’t let gay activists fool you any longer. Facts are facts. Gay propaganda isn’t.

    • weasel1886

      So what if they can change. Why does that matter?

      • Richard

        It means the public was lied to in order to gain sympathy and support. Homosexuality is just another behavior people use. It requires no special status.

        • weasel1886

          Being a Christian is a choice it requires no special status.
          I often forget that no one lies to gain political favor.

          • Richard

            > Being a Christian is a choice it requires no special status.

            Not for humans. It’s very special for God.

            > I often forget that no one lies to gain political favor.

            Some do. It’s obvious gay activists did. Some still do.

      • amostpolitedebate

        Because if being gay is a choice then they can justify their continued cruelty under the logic of “If they don’t like it they can always just stop being gay”

        • Richard

          It is a choice. That means you can’t say you can’t change or stop yourself. You are accountable. Period.

          • MisterPine

            If you say that you are not attracted to men, which I suspect is what you WOULD say if you ever answered the question that’s been asked of you so many times here, then you would disprove the notion that homosexuality is a choice. And I think that is why you will not answer it.

  • Richard

    I wonder how the public will respond when they find out gay activists lied to them about being born that way and gays can’t change?

    I wonder if there will be so much backlash that things will be worse for them than before the gay activist years?

    I wonder how the public will react when they find out all of the ills of homosexuality?

    Lies stay lies only for so long. The truth always wins…as it will be soon.

  • http://www.trevorgrantthomas.com Trevor Thomas

    Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, author of Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, notes that the idea of “sexual orientation” is fiction. He refers to a 1994 University of Chicago study which states, “…it is patently false that homosexuality is a uniform attribute across individuals, that it is stable over time, and that it can be easily measured.” Dr. Satinover adds that, “Studies across the globe that have now sampled over 100,000 individuals have found the same. We now know that in the majority of both men and women, ‘homosexuality,’ as defined by any scientifically rigorous criteria, spontaneously tends to ‘mutate’ into heterosexuality over the course of a lifetime.”

  • Richard

    It’s hilarious watching gay supporters try and use anything to defend their behavior, such as suggesting ‘exclusively homosexual’ means something different than regular homosexuality.

    And exclusive ‘sexual, emotional, and romantic attractions’ are different from regular ones.

    The strawmen gay supporters have to pose to justify their behavior displays it for what it really is: sinful behavior chosen by sinners. Nothing else…no matter the spin they try to put on it.

    Facts are facts.

    • Paul Hiett

      What you don’t understand, and won’t have the honesty to admit, is that people like her never stop having same-sex urges. She still has the attraction to women,she’s simply just not acting on them.

      Furthermore, her choice not to act upon her homosexuality is simply that…her choice. If that’s who she is, great.

      Finally, who cares if she “left” the homosexual lifestyle? Is she advocating to make it illegal? Is she advocating to force people to undergo therapy that everyone already knows, including those who used to support it, doesn’t work?

      Religion…all religion…needs to butt out of peoples lives.

      • Richard

        You aren’t gay. You wouldn’t know. I’ll believe their personal accounts over your uninformed opinion.

        > Religion…all religion…needs to butt out of peoples lives.

        Spoken like a true hypocrite. You are anti God. Yet, you come here day after day to butt into Christian’s lives.

        • amostpolitedebate

          Hi! Gay person here. I can assure you that my attractions have remained quite stable over the years and any efforts to try and suppress/change them have only made me miserable.

          • Richard

            I understand that how you feel. But just because you don’t know why you have the attractions doesn’t mean no one else does.

            Many people struggle with infidelity. But that doesn’t mean they were born that way.

            Same is true with eating disorders? Aggression? Impatience? Anger?

            None of these are ‘hardwired’ but learned behaviors…which can be changed if a person works at it.

          • Bobby Mae

            Richie I’m still waiting to hear if you have ever had to fight on homosexual thoughts? You’ve been asked by several people here and conveniently never answer the question directly

          • Crono478

            To suppress / change them is not enough. Please visit www DOT needgod DOT com.

      • amostpolitedebate

        Richard knows that. He’s willfully ignoring what goes on in people’s minds and using only behavior as a metric for change. Which I’d be fine with except he never actually tells people that’s what he’s doing.

        • Richard

          You just don’t understand behavior. That’s a you issue, not a science issue.

          • amostpolitedebate

            See? That’s the stuff. Note that he didn’t actually say I was wrong.

          • Richard

            See what? That you don’t understand so you think no one else does?

          • amostpolitedebate

            Please clearly state how you are defining “homosexuality” in this debate. Are you only going by behavior or are you including the feelings that drive the behavior as well? Are both choices?

            Most importantly, do you believe that these ex-gay treatments you advocate change both? Or are they just convincing people to not act on their urges?

          • Richard

            > Are you only going by behavior or are you including the feelings that drive the behavior as well? Are both choices?

            Behavior is defined as the way in which a person conducts himself. Behavior encompasses thoughts, emotions, and actions. All are choices even though you may not realize it. These are called subconscious choices.

            > do you believe that these ex-gay treatments you advocate change both?

            Good therapy does because it gets at the crux of the behavior, which then changes everything else. Once the behavior is understood and changed, people are motivated to make different choices. A study of child sexual development should clear this up for you.

          • amostpolitedebate

            Ah! So in your mind emotions and the choices people make based on those emotions are one and the same. Got it.

          • Richard

            Thoughts cause emotions. If you don’t believe that, you should check it out for yourself. This is a standard concept in behavioral science.

      • Crono478

        No, it is not them “having same sex urges” and “not acting on them”. It is that they were convinced thst they are sinners. They repented and left their sinful lifestyle such as homosexuality behind. They trust in Jesus Christ as their Savior alone. It is His power that transformed their lives.

      • Bobby Mae

        Exactly. She never even said she turned straight. Not acting on gay desires doesn’t mean you now like the opposite sex.

  • http://soulwinningstudents.org/ Neil

    A wonderful testimony. I pray that Obama and the left are tolerant enough to consider her stories and thousands others like those.

  • FoJC_Forever

    Homosexual lust is a sin present in the carnal nature. Some people have it, because it was passed down to them from their parents or they have been exposed to it (nurtured) as a young child. It can also get ‘nurtured’ into a child because the child doesn’t fit the stereotypical version of being either male or female. In short, the child gets taught that they “may be” homosexual. Satan is crafty and can use any number of circumstances in a persons life to make them think they are homosexual. Lies compounded upon lies.

    Homosexual lust is overcome like any other fleshly lust, through work of God done in a Believer through the Holy Spirit. Believers must realize that being tempted by a particular sin doesn’t mean they are guilty of committing it and that it is just something that they are, i.e., being tempted to have sex outside of marriage doesn’t mean it’s “normal” for you to have sex outside of marriage. The same is true for homosexuality. Just because a person feels the temptation doesn’t mean they are homosexual – this is a lie many accept now.

    People are accepting that having fleshly lusts mean they are what those fleshly lusts are dictating to them. 1 Peter 2:11.

  • Garrison

    Agreed. The most common response about being homosexual is I was born this way. And I don’t disagree that the attraction to the same gender isn’t a choice, but the sexual consummation of that attraction is a choice. This is no different than heterosexuals being attracted to other men or women but not acting on the attraction. If I’m married or in a committed relationship and I have attractions to other women, me not acting on those attractions is self control! But one will say you can’t control who you love, and I’ll say you can control who you have sex with. No man or woman has ever died from a lack of sex. So yes the human body was designed for sex between a man and woman. From that union a baby can be born. Oral sex, anal sex are not part of the design but mankind came up with these acts by seeking pleasure! Just as heterosexuals have perverted God’s design; homosexuals aren’t exempt from this same perversion.

    • Bobby Mae

      No one has ever said sexual behavior isn’t a choice. But sexual behavior isn’t the same thing as sexual orientation. Funny I’m arguing with a man on the comment forum that says I choose to be attracted to the same sex.

      • Garrison

        Agreed. Lol.

        • Bobby Mae

          The lady never said she turned straight though. She just said she stopped dating women. Big difference

          • JustSomebody

            But she stopped acting on her desires, which is surely a step in the right direction.

          • Bobby Mae

            Ok… It’s really not that hard to not have sex but if you want to give her a round of applause for her sexual habits knock yourself out.

      • Richard

        Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain the origins of their desires and behaviors — how they “got that way.” The first of these studies was conducted by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The second, in 1970, involved 979 homosexuals. Both were conducted prior to the period when the “gay rights” movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual origins. Both reported essentially the same findings: homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and behavior were the result of social or environmental influences. – Bell (1973) Homosexualities: their range and character. Nebraska Symposium on Motivation Cole & Dienstbier (eds) Univ Nebraska Press; King (1980) The Etiology of Homosexuality as Related to Childhood Experiences and Adult Adjustment Ed.D. Thesis, Indiana Univ.

        • MisterPine

          This was cut and pasted from the hate group Family Research Institute’s webpage.

  • FoJC_Forever

    Fleshly lusts will die over a period of time, when a person continues to grow in Christ and abstains from behavior which reinforces the lust.

  • Tim

    For me this young lady is an example of many people today. I was not G, but I had a hard time with other things. Those “other things” ended up costing me my health. Me, personally found that Jesus Christ is the answer. Many people I’ve spoken with have hit the bottom but were able to climb out of what I call ‘The trap’ by focusing on what Jesus says. I found that hopelessness lead me to hope. So for me, Jesus is the answer. I guess this is a bit of a testimony in and of itself. Is it easy to follow Christ. I’m afraid not, but is it fulfilling. Absolutely!

  • Richard

    Jesus is the answer to all sin. The Holy Spirit can help you make change where your own efforts fail.

  • Richard

    I believe in the next while, there will be a mass ‘coming out’ of ex-gays. They’ve been silenced due to gay activism, but that is changing. We need to pray for these people as they come forward with the truth.

    • Bobby Mae

      Why do ex gay therapies acknowledge on all of their websites that their therapy won’t necessarily “make them straight?”

      • Richard

        It will depend on the approach and desire of the person. People don’t change what they don’t want to change.

        It’s not that they can’t, but aren’t motivated to make change.

        This applies to all psychotherapy. You can only help people who want to be helped because they have to do the work to make change. Without doing the work, nothing will change.

        • Bobby Mae

          Oh yeah, cuz obviously gay people that don’t want to change are going to go to an ex gay therapy. Moron.

          • Richard

            No. Those that want to change seek therapy, or change by themselves. The article you are commenting on is one example.

            Those that don’t want to don’t, or deny they can. Put yourself in whichever group you choose.

          • Bobby Mae

            Not true. A LOT of people that are gay try to be straight at some point in their lives.

          • Richard

            If you aren’t going to deal with your psychological and emotional issues, what do you expect?

            Your comment is like saying you want to stop drinking, but you don’t. Therefore, you were born to drink.

          • Bobby Mae

            You’re a moron. Ps Im NOT sexually active , not that that’s any of your business, but I’m obviously still attracted to the same sex. Therefore your analogy about wanting to stop drinking but don’t isn’t true

          • Richard

            Homosexuals are attracted to the ss because of their psychological and emotional issues. If you want to change the attraction, either decide to or get help to deal with your issues.

            Did you know that abuse is common among gays? That’s because some of the issues that cause homosexuality also cause abusive behavior.

            In case you didn’t know, name-calling is a form of abuse.

          • Bobby Mae

            Aww you poor thing.

          • Richard

            I don’t care what you call me. Name-calling is your behavior and a reflection of your character. It has nothing to do with me.

          • Bobby Mae

            You’re not Jesus, your holier than thou attitude isn’t fooling anyone.

          • Richard

            Holier than thou because I don’t care what you call me or because your behavior is a reflection of your character not mine?

          • Bobby Mae

            Still won’t answer my question if you’ve ever had to fight off same sex desires

          • Richard

            Are you suggesting gays are they only people who have to fight off sinful desires?

          • Bobby Mae

            Thank you for proving my point . simple question you won’t answer 🙂

          • Richard

            Do you think gays have an exclusive on sinful desires? They don’t. Everyone has something they struggle with. The first step in overcoming a problem is to admit you have one.

            It appears you aren’t there yet.

          • Bobby Mae

            And its very easy deflect your own problems when you’re picking on someone else. This will be the fourth or fifth time I’m going to ask you: have you ever had to suppress feelings towards the same sex? Why is that so difficult to answer?

          • Richard

            You’re the one with the issue. It’s your problem to solve. Asking an irrelevant question, and ignoring all of mine won’t help you.

            Speaking of problems, have you figured out what you are going to tell God when he confronts you about your behaviors?

          • Bobby Mae

            Hahaha oh Richie you love circles. Guess what, until you answer my ONE question I will not answer another question of yours. You are internet troll to a tee.

          • Paul Hiett

            Isn’t it cute that he likes to tell others how they feel and think?

          • Richard

            You have no room to talk, hypocrite.

          • Deina

            Dick, why won’t you answer Paul’s question? I mean, this ain’t no court of law, so by refusing to answer, everyone is just gonna assume that you are the hypocrite.

            Ball’s in your court, play it or go home.

          • Bobby Mae

            And not answer ONE question that he’s been asked 5+ times now. It’s clear he’s a repressed homosexual..I used to sympathize with them but not when they attack “their own” so to speak

          • Paul Hiett

            ROFL…I’ve pinned him down so many times, and he still refuses to answer any questions. Hes’ simply dishonest about everything on here.

          • Richard

            As I said, I couldn’t care less what you think of me. I’m not the one dealing with homosexual behavior. Good luck with that.

          • Bobby Mae

            Haha says the “man” that won’t answer if he’s ever had to suppress his feelings towards other men. Lol cuz obviously all straight men experience that. You’re gay, honey

          • Paul Hiett

            I’ve asked him too many times to count, “Have you ever felt arousal at the sight of another man.”

            He will never answer that question because A) it proves that toreintation is not a choice, and B) I think you’re right about that.

          • Bobby Mae

            Such a Direct and simple question to answer too.

          • MisterPine

            I’m confused, you were asked a question about whether you’ve ever had same-sex desires, and your answer is about “sinful desires”. That isn’t the question you were asked.

          • Bobby Mae

            Oh so now you’re saying it’s not a choice? Lol

          • Richard

            Of course it’s a choice. Do you honestly think you were born to be abusive toward others?

          • Bobby Mae

            Oh OK, so it’s a result of abuse or psychological trauma, theretherefore we choose to like the same sex and submit ourselves to more verbal abuse from ignorant men like yourself. Have you ever had to fight off same sex attraction?

          • Richard

            How is that different than fighting off being attracted to an already married person?

          • MisterPine

            “Homosexuals are attracted to the ss because of their psychological and emotional issues”

            There is not one single bit of evidence to support this claim.

  • Webb

    Obama hates Christ and His followers. He used his faux-Christianity to get votes as part of his fraudulent elections.

    • MisterPine

      I think you’ll find Obama is a Christian, so what you say is obviously false.

  • Bobby Mae

    So did I miss the part where it said she turned straight?

    • Richard

      Yes, you did. Try reading it again.

      • Bobby Mae

        Just did. Never once said she’s straight . just says she’s no longer dating or having sex with women. That doesn’t mean she’s now into the other gender.

        • Richard

          What part of “being on the other side of homosexual behavior” is unclear to you?

          • Bobby Mae

            You’re an idiot. Notice she’s not married to a man or discussing her private life in the article AT ALL. You like assuming things.

          • Richard

            You and Paul can say what you like to me. But you should carefully consider your responses to God, since he’ll be the one judging you and deciding your fate.

          • Bobby Mae

            Yep yep, talk about us some more so that you don’t have to answer our questions. We’re on to you, sweety.

          • Bobby Mae

            Funny how your game changes when anyone asks YOU a question… What are you so scared of you manly man?

          • Bobby Mae

            AWww look at little Richard not responding to any comments now. Closet case homo

          • Bobby Mae

            So you gonna answer my question today? 🙂

          • MisterPine

            I’ve said this over and over and over, but homosexuality isn’t a behaviour. It isn’t even a noun.

            ho·mo·sex·u·al
            ˌhōməˈsekSH(əw)əl/
            adjective
            adjective: homosexual
            1.
            (of a person) sexually attracted to people of one’s own (gender).
            involving or characterized by sexual attraction between people of the same (gender).”homosexual desire”
            noun
            noun: homosexual; plural noun: homosexuals
            1.
            a person who is sexually attracted to people of their own (gender).

            See, Richard? No mention whatsoever of any action having to take place. Meaning that you can be a homosexual without ever acting on your attractions.

          • Paul Hiett

            What part of “behavior” is a choice, orientation is not, is unclear to you?

            Obviously that’s a rhetorical question, since all of it clearly is.

          • Bobby Mae

            Come on Richie boy, why won’t u admit you’ve been attracted to men? Scared your prestigious reputation on christian news network might be tarnished? Lol Such an easy question to answer for someone whowho claims to know everything about being gay

        • Crono478

          “For years, the president of the United States has sat down with those in the LGBTQ community but has failed to hear the stories of those of us who have successfully left the homosexual lifestyle,” she wrote in an article this week. “As someone who spent 14 years in the homosexual lifestyle and then experienced the transforming power of Jesus Christ, I know it is possible to be set free. For 17 years, I have been living proof.”

          She left the homosexual lifestyle when she experienced the transforming power of Jesus Christ. Of course, she is not homosexual anymore. What else would it mean to you?

          Since you told me that you are a homosexual, do you recall that you became defensive last week when I asked you if you have gotten right with God? It is not too late to do this. Confess your sins to Him and ask Him to forgive you and accept Jesus as Your Savior.

          • Bobby Mae

            It could absolutely mean that she simply stopped dating women and acting on homosexual urges. Notice she’s not married nor does she have a boyfriend. You all love to read into it the way you want to. I’m still waiting to hear that she’s attracted ti men now, which she has not said.

          • Crono478

            Can you cite the source that she is not married and does not have a boyfriend? I am unable to find that.

            “I’m still waiting to hear that she’s attracted ti men now, which she has not said.”

            You are asking this question because you have same-sex attraction. You can ask her this question at this link: www DOT janetboynesministries DOT com/contactus DOT html

          • Bobby Mae

            Can I cite a source on her love life? Seriously? Lol

          • Crono478

            “Notice she’s not married nor does she have a boyfriend”

            You don’t really know if she is married or have a boyfriend? Why would you ever make this claim then?

          • Bobby Mae

            It says on her website “about me” section she is single. I think it’s funny how evangelical’s definition of homosexuality changes to suit their needs. Most of the time it’s behavior, aka having gay sex. And now here’s a lesbian who’s NOT having heterosexual sex and you praise her for being heterosexual? Lol I dont get it.

          • Crono478

            Yeah, you are right, she indicates that she ‘s single by saying that she has faith that Lord will bring a husband into her life.

            You can still ask her the question you asked me on her web site.

          • Bobby Mae

            Of course you don’t acknowledge the second part of my comment. What makes someone a heterosexual or homosexual?

          • Crono478

            “I think it’s funny how evangelical’s definition of homosexuality changes to suit their needs. Most of the time it’s behavior, aka having gay sex. And now here’s a lesbian who’s NOT having heterosexual sex and you praise her for being heterosexual? Lol I dont get it.”

            No, she is not lesbian, she is a sister in Christ. Lord led her out of her bondage which is her homosexuality. You seem to think that she is “born” lesbian and remains this way for life. You think the same thing for yourself as a gay man as well. Are you going to allow yourself being deceived that you are stuck with this for life?

          • Bobby Mae

            Ive never claimed the born this way/gene debate, but that’s cute of you to put words in my mouth

          • Crono478

            You seemed to imply that so I apologize about that. Are you trying to tell me that you doubt that she is a hetrosexual because she did not have any sexual relations with any man for 11 years?

            Since you want definitions of both words, here it is:

            ho·mo·sex·u·al
            ˌhōməˈsekSH(əw)əl/
            adjective
            1.
            (of a person) sexually attracted to people of one’s own sex.

            noun
            1.
            a person who is sexually attracted to people of their own sex.

            Hetrosexual is obviously opposite of homosexual.

          • Bobby Mae

            She never said she was heterosexual. And you realize that all ex gay therapies disclaim from the start their therapies aren’t aiming to make them heterosexual right?

          • Crono478

            Bobby… do you realize what Bible has to say on homosexuality? She cannot be a homosexual and a Christian at the same time. Same thing can be said for other sins that are listed in this verse – 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

            Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

            Read verse 11, Janet is the example here. She was a homosexual but she is washed, sanctified, justified in name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

          • Bobby Mae

            We can’t even agree on what a homosexual even is, of course we’re not going to agree.

          • Crono478

            Are you a homosexual?

          • Bobby Mae

            I experience same sex attraction.

          • Crono478

            You are saying you are not a homosexual but have same sex attraction? Also, are you saying that if you have sex relations with a man, it makes you a homosexual?

          • Bobby Mae

            Quite frankly there’s no reason for me to label it! I do not act on my urges, but not acting on them doesn’t mean that I’m now attracted to the opposite sex. It shouldn’t be that hard to understand.

          • Crono478

            Here’s a question for you, have you watched any porn recently?

          • Bobby Mae

            LOL is this standard talk for you with internet strangers? A little creepy dude

          • Crono478

            I am asking this question because you seem to dance around with your answers. I know many people watch porn. Last time I did that was 4 years ago before I became saved.

            Please be honest, can you answer my question?

          • Bobby Mae

            Yes I watch porn!

          • Crono478

            Thank you for your honesty. According to the words of Jesus, if you look at someone else with lust, you have committed adultery in heart. Watching porn makes us adulterers.

          • Bobby Mae

            OK. So you expect an unmarried heterosexual person to not masturbate at all until they’re married?

          • Crono478

            Yes, because sex is only acceptable between a woman and a man. The wife’s body is man’s and vice versa which rules out masturbation. That is how high God’s standard is in Bible.

          • Bobby Mae

            Haha funny how masturbation isn’t addressed in the Bible. Not relieving yourself for such long periods of time is not healthy. What would you tell your teenager? Would you punish him for masturbating? Lol

          • Crono478

            It is not healthy. Paul actually addressed this in 1 Corinthians 7:5-9

            1 Corinthians 7:5-9New King James Version (NKJV)

            5 Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 But I say this as a concession, not as a commandment. 7 For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that.

            8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

            ——–

            I know what you mean. I am not sure how I would approach this with my kids. I would probably be disappointed. I would tell my kids the truth about this. Temptations are real and it happens all the time. All of us fall to that. Yes, I did that a lot of times when I was a teenager. I gave up because I thought it was so hard to stop and that everyone does it. However, it’s not true that we can not resist temptations. We can because God will not allow temptations to overpower us. We do have this choice.

            When I learned the truth in Bible, I surrendered my life to Jesus. I gave up my old habits including masturbation, porn and so on.

          • Bobby Mae

            I think he’s referring to having sex outside of marriage. Obviously we could argue over scripture all day and not get anywhere. To me, masturbating is a much safer way than going out and subjecting myself to STDs.

          • Crono478

            Makes sense and that is why you identify yourself as SSM? If so, do you honestly envision yourself doing this for rest of your life?

          • Bobby Mae

            I don’t identify myself as same sec marriage lol. And what do you mean? Do you think if I just started watching straight porn I would magically become attracted to women? Sexual orientation doesn’t work like that

          • Crono478

            I mean SSA. Thanks, I got it mixed up with SSM.

          • Crono478

            v5-7 is for between a husband and a wife. Paul is saying , do not deprive each other of sex. (It does not say that explicitly but you can see what it means).

            v8-v9, he is referring to unmarried and widows ones who continues to give in to temptations which can be anything such as masturbation or having sex. He says that it is better to get married than to keep on giving into temptations.

          • Bobby Mae

            Please tell me what defines someone as a homosexual or heterosexual.

  • Garrison

    Yes it is. She’d have to elaborate more to know..

  • akosipatriot

    A straight man who is having relationship of the same sex,later on he will find himself as one, having the need to have a sexual desire of the same sex. Is this evidence not enough against the deception that homosexuality cannot be resisted? It is a feeling, and like all other feelings can be resisted, since it involves with a choice. You cannot turn XX chromosomes into XY chromosomes and vice versa.

    • Bobby Mae

      Why is a “straight man” having a relationship with someone of the same sex? Your comment makes no sense. And why are you talking about chromosomes? Lol

  • MisterPine

    There is no such thing as a former lesbian. Either she was always a lesbian or she never was.

    • FoJC_Forever

      Wrong.

      • MisterPine

        So you’re talking about blind people, and I’m talking about sexuality. Homosexuality isn’t an illness and therefore doesn’t require “healing”. Science knows this, the world knows this, and you know this.

        • FoJC_Forever

          You miss the Truth.

          God can transform anyone and anything by His power. Thus, a homosexual can be transformed into a heterosexual, which is God’s Design.

          • MisterPine

            I listen to science and mental health experts on the matters, not radical fundamentalists.

          • Paul Hiett

            So by that logic, those who remain homosexual are also homosexual by God’s design, right?

          • Bobby Mae

            By his logic I could wake up a woman tomorrow

  • FoJC_Forever

    There is no such thing as “sexual orientation”. This is simply a label given by those who want to make the sin of homosexuality seem normal.

    Judgement is coming.

    • Paul Hiett

      So you feel arousal at the sight of both sexes, and simply choose to be with women? Interesting.

      • FoJC_Forever

        No, I don’t.

        Same gender sexual attraction is sin, born of the carnal nature. It isn’t sexual orientation, it’s sin. The label was created decades ago, so the homosexuals could push their agendas and lustful desires into mainstream American culture.

        • Paul Hiett

          If don’t know what it’s like to feel arousal at the sight of the same gender, how can you possibly criticize those who do?

        • Bobby Mae

          Oh boy, you should try opening a science or psychology book sometime. I promise the devil is NOT waiting to pop out of it to grab you, and you might actually learn something.

          • FoJC_Forever

            Your sarcasm about Truth only shows that your under Satan’s control and one of his servants come to harass those who come to this Christian news site.

          • Bobby Mae

            No I’m not. And I’m willing to bet you have a high school education or less.

        • Bobby Mae

          Label or no label, homosexuality has existed way longer than a few decades. Lol who are you??

          • FoJC_Forever

            LTR

    • MisterPine

      Christians have been talking about “judgement coming” for 2000 years.

      • FoJC_Forever

        God is patient and compassionate. When it’s over, there is no more opportunity for His creation to repent and turn to Him for Salvation.

        • MisterPine

          Why would an omnipotent God require our worship and repentance?

          • FoJC_Forever

            To save you from a place devoid of His Presence and Goodness.

          • MisterPine

            What does He need praise and bootlicking for?

          • FoJC_Forever

            He doesn’t need “bootlicking”, MisterPine the Christian web site troll.

          • FoJC_Forever

            To give you the opportunity to be transformed into what He intended you to be from the Beginning.

          • FoJC_Forever

            So that you would know Eternal Faith, Hope, and Love, rather than the constant grind of frustration which comes from trying to understand that which your broken and fallen self cannot perceive.

          • FoJC_Forever

            So He can fellowship with you as you are supposed to be, His child.

          • FoJC_Forever

            Worship simply means to adore and revere and honor.

            Repentance is turning from that which is killing you and dragging you to Eternal Damnation.

  • LeftCoast

    Obama will not meet with these people because he and his party are not getting votes or money from this. Your wasting your time.

  • ironheart ofsin

    This makes me sick. Live and let live. God is not real.

  • Leslie Manley

    being abused and coming to terms and letting go IS NOT the same thing as “leaving the lifestyle” That’s called abuse and traumatic childhood. Folks deal with that in different ways. Don’t try to meld the 2 into “praying the gay away” or “leaving a life style” into running from your bad childhood. I just wasted 2 minutes of air on this ridiculously stupid story. Just as I have wasted too many years attempting to have a logical convo with insane people. Never works. Same as ex-gay never works. If it does…they weren’t gay to begin with. They were running from problems and found comfort in a person or place. And please don’t respond with some ignorant bs about thousand and thousands leave. It ain’t true *smdh*

  • Guglielmo Marinaro

    If these people really have changed their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual – and that’s a very big “if” – then I’m sure that they’re very happy and satisfied. So why do they want to see Obama about it? What do they want him to do about it? Do they need a “nihil obstat” from him or something?

    And what ex-ex-gay people? There are plenty of them around; in fact many prominent former leaders of “ex-gay” ministries, who used to hold themselves up to the world as proof that “Change is possible”, just like Janet Boynes, are now ex-ex-gay. Is anyone demanding that Obama meet with them?

  • David Cromie

    Homosexuality (heterosexuality, or bisexuality) is not a choice, nor is it a (contagious) disease, It is the result of procreation and genes, and is not therefore susceptible to a ‘cure’. In any case, why would a sky fairy, which, it is claimed, made us in its own image, wish to ‘cure’ that which it brought about in the first place? This woman’s dreadful experiences in her younger days were the result of the environment she grew up in, I expect. If someone’s preferred sky fairy could bring about their desired gender change, without the need for cosmetic surgery, that would be a very powerful argument for the real existence of the sky fairy in question. Now, what is the likelihood of that happening?

  • Richard Williams

    I realized a hypocrisy going on here. People want to scrutinize people who have claimed to have abandoned a gay life, but as soon as you scrutinize people’s claims that they were born gay, there are people who are up in arms about it.

  • John Langborne

    Even the thought of sodomy makes me break out in a sweat!

    • Bobby Mae

      That doesn’t say much. Because you love it and it turns you on or because it repulses you? If it repulses you, why are you thinking about it and taking the time to comment on it?

      • maggoting

        Wow, why did you take time to read my post then think up a stupid answer to write pervert?

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Thank God! There is nothing His truth cannot liberate mankind from, be it homosexuality, pedophile, incest or cannibalism. The Church must keep educating mankind to take the right path, the path of life.

  • Kathryn Diina

    Literally no one in this world chooses a life of being bullied and out casted by ignorant people who clearly have nothing to do with their lives except start wars based upon hate on completely innocent people. I thought we were done with hurting those who were different. I can tell you with 100% confidence that God is shaking His head at those who refuse to see the beauty in ALL of His creations. Shame on all of you… this is disgusting.

  • ComeOnSeason6

    OK. I need to get this off my chest.
    I am 15 years old. I identify as a homosexual male, and date other males. Growing up, I never had a “traumatic” or “terrible” childhood. My parents were separated, yes, but I had four parents, and I always felt extra love from all of my parents, so you can’t give me the BS that I was traumatized into being gay. Because I was always surrounded by heterosexuals, and NEVER met a gay person in my life, I assumed I liked girls. Until about 7th grade. I started to notice boys more. The way I always thought I should look at girls, I looked at boys. And sure, it was strange, but honestly, the only reason I felt uncomfortable, was because I saw bigots like the many on here, hartasing and forcing these homosexuals to not admit to themselves who they are. All under the guise of the lord. Many people, religious too, mind you, agree that the story of Sodom was not meant to portray gay people in a negative light, but to call the rape and list that happened a sin, and punished them for it. But of course, it got misinterpreted. If this is how people are going to believe is the only way to get into heaven, I am done. Say I’ll burn in hell, whatever. I can and will have my own personal relationship with the lord. And also, to all those out there, hiding behind the bible and so called facts, walk a mile in our shoes. Why would we choose to be slandared and criticized for just being ourselves? Its just idiotic, and honestly, you could never comprehend it. And I’m fine with that. I don’t need to “convince” or “covert” you. I just wanted to give my opinion, as an open gay.

  • jjhot254 .

    deep in their hearts, they know its wrong, they are trying to get affirmation outside of their group ,do I give in to my alcoholism? because I was born that way? is it right? at least they find found a gene that pertains to alcoholism, just because you are born that way, doesn’t make it right, this is why we have a mind, free will, choices we have to make

    • gods need not apply

      How does alcoholism (a disease that when indulged can cause death in the diseased as well as the tragedy of those around the diseased) equate with homosexuality (an expression of desire that is taking place between consenting adults)? Alcoholism is demonized because of the innocent lives it can destroy. How can homosexuality actually hurt you?