Judge Orders School District to Stop Promoting Christianity, Fines Officials $7500 for Contempt

Prayer V pdFLOWOOD, Miss. — A federal judge in Mississippi has ordered a school district in the Bible Belt to stop promoting Christianity during school events and fined officials $7500 for being in “contempt” by continuing to do so in spite of an agreement reached two years ago with a humanist organization.

As previously reported, the American Humanist Association (AHA) first took issue with the Northwest Rankin High School in Flowood, Mississippi after a representative of Pinelake Baptist Church participated in a student-organized assembly that included a video dealing with teen problems, such as premarital sex, drugs, cutting, suicide and other issues.

The two individuals featured in the film explained that they were able to overcome their struggles through the power of Jesus Christ. The presenter also spoke to students about the hope that is found in Christ, and led students in prayer.

AHA sent a letter to district officials demanding under threat of lawsuit that such events be discontinued.

“It has hard to imagine a more blatant violation of the Establishment Clause than the one complained of herein,” it stated. “The law prohibiting this type of endorsement and coercion is well-settled. As such, not only will the school, in its official capacity, be liable for this constitutional infringement pursuant to 42 U.S.C.A. § 1983, but the school officials responsible for the event will be personally liable too, in their individual capacities.”

While AHA contended that the assembly was mandatory for all students, the district stated that the event was rather organized and hosted by students who desired to offer the presentation to their classmates.

AHA moved forwarded with filing the suit on behalf of a student who attends Northwest Rankin High School, and the district agreed to settle with AHA, signing a consent decree not promote any religion during school events.

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However, the same student, who has not been identified, reported to AHA that last year, an awards ceremony was opened with prayer at Brandon High School and that Fifth Grade teachers were advised by their principal to walk children past Gideon International’s Bible distribution in the lobby at Northwest Rankin Elementary School.

AHA then filed a motion of contempt with the court, but the district said that the prayer was involuntary and that the principal didn’t know anything was improper about her directions regarding the Gideon distribution. Therefore, the incidents, they said, could not be considered a violation of the agreement.

This week, a federal judge appointed to the bench by Barack Obama disagreed and found the district in contempt of court.

“Under the Agreed Judgment, M.B. (plaintiff) acquiesced not to pursue her lawsuit with the pledge that the district, in turn, would ensure future compliance with the provisions of its newly adopted policy on religion,” the order, issued by U.S. District Judge Carlton Reeves, reads. “Defendant failed to honor its end of the agreement. The district’s breach did not take very long and it occurred in a very bold way.”

He placed a permanent injunction against the district from offering prayers or sermons at any of its events and fined the district $7,500 plus attorneys fees for contempt. Any further promotion of Christianity will cost the district $10,000 per incident.

The district said that it will comply.

“As long as there is testing in schools, we believe that teachers, principals and students will continue to pray,” Superintendent Lynn Weathersby said in a statement. “That being said, the school district will certainly abide by the order of any court to the best of its ability and will take whatever action necessary to make sure that all principals and teachers are updated on the current status of the law and that order.”


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  • Lori

    Shame on them. Glenn is doing more than most.

    • GibbyD

      Beck believes that Jesus is the brother of the devil Lucifer. Beck also believes that black men and woman are indwelt by pre-existent evil spirits .

      • OrdinaryMormon

        Not quite. Mormons believe we are all sons and daughters of a Heavenly Father and, therefore, brothers and sisters. This includes Jesus, whom Mormons regard as an elder brother who through his premordal perfection is a member of the Godhead, as well as Lucifer, who rebeled and fell from grace. In that regard, Jesus and Lucifer are brothers in the same way I am to you or you are to Moses. I know you would not agree with this teaching, but it does not impute to Jesus the evil of his “brother” Lucifer any more than our sins or those of Lucifer or any other creature of God are imputed to God the Father in orthodox Christian teaching.

        Regarding your assertion that Mormons believe black people are “indwelt by pre-existent evil spirits”, that is simply not true. Mormons believe all of God’s children are viewed equally in the eyes of God. In the past, there were some racist theories espoused by some members, including church leaders, just as in Christianity in general, but those theories have been repudiated by the church.

        I hope this helps clarify these issues.

        • GibbyD

          OrdinaryMoron , my information is from the mormon source documents themselves . I am sorry you do not even know what your own religious organization believes . Check the following references by highlighting , copying and pasting on to your google search to find the info. The Mormon religious organization does not willingly offer this information to the public . Mormon LDS source documents proving what I have said concerning their blasphemous and racist beliefs.
          ***LDS “Apostle” Bruce R. McConkie , Mormon Doctrine ,p.527,528; 1966 edition . ***LDS “Historian” BH Roberts , The Contributor Vol. 6 pp. 296-297. ***LDS “Apostle” Mark E. Peterson , “Race Problems As They Affect the Church” , Address delivered at Brigham Young University , Provo , Utah, August 27, 1954. ***LDS Pearl Of Great Price , Abraham 1:24. *** LDS “Prophet” Brigham Young , Journal Of Discourses,Vol. 7, P.290, 1859. ***LDS “Prophet” John Taylor , Journal Of Discourses , Vol.22 p. 304, 1881. ***LDS Pearl Of Great Price , Moses 7:8,12. ***LDS Pearl Of Great Price Abraham 1:20-27. ***LDS “Prophet” Joseph Fielding Smith , The Way To Perfection pp.101-102, 1931. *** Book ‘ The Changing World Of Mormonism’ by Jerald and Sandra Tanner . *** IT WAS NOT UNTIL 1978 , AFTER A SPEECH BY LDS “PROPHET” SPENCER W. KIMBALL DID MORMONS CONSIDER ALLOWING BLACK MEN INTO THEIR PRIESTHOOD . *******Mormonism has not rejected it’s underlying doctrines of white supremacy , which are present in Mormon “Scripture” . Examples ; ** LDS Pearl Of Great Price Moses 5:15-41; 7:8,12. **Abraham 1:20-27.** The Book Of Mormon , Alma 3:6. **2 Nephi 5:21; 30:6-7.

          • GibbyD

            Here is some more of the racist teaching revealed from Mormonism that I hope ” clarifies these issues ” By Ken Blue

            “To understand this teaching of Mormonism, one must understand their teaching that every person’s spirit was conceived through sexual intercourse of their god with one of his celestial wives in heaven. These spirits babies continue to progress in heaven while awaiting proper parents on earth. Their behavior in heaven determines their earthly destination and assignment.

            As I mentioned in a previous article, Mormonism is an ever evolving religion. Therefore, the information their members are receiving today may be altered from the originals to protect the church. However, they cannot hide the truth from those who seek it. The original writings are readily available to all who want them.

            Apostle Mark E. Petersen presented the Mormon thinking concerning the doctrine of pre-existence: “Is there reason then why the type of birth we receive in this life is not a reflection of our worthiness or lack of it in the pre-existent life? … can we account in any other way for the birth of some of the children of God in darkest Africa, or in flood-ridden China, or among the starving hordes of India, while some of the rest of us are born here in the United States? We cannot escape the conclusion that because of performance in our pre-existence some of us are born as Chinese, some as Japanese, some as Latter-day Saints. These are rewards and punishments, fully in harmony with His established policy in dealing with sinners and saints, rewarding all according to their deeds….Let us consider the great mercy of God for a moment. A Chinese, born in China with a dark skin, and with all the handicaps of that race seems to have little opportunity. But think of the mercy of God to Chinese people who are willing to accept the gospel. In spite of whatever they might have done in the pre-existence to justify being born over there as Chinamen, if they now, in this life, accept the gospel and live it the rest of their lives they can have the Priesthood, go to the temple and receive endowments and sealings, and that means they can have exaltation. Isn’t the mercy of God marvelous?

            Think of the Negro, cursed as to the priesthood…. This Negro, who, in the pre-existence lived the type of life which justified the Lord in sending him to the earth in the lineage of Cain with a black skin, and possibly being born in darkest Africa—if that Negro is willing when he hears the gospel to accept it, he may have many of the blessings of the gospel. In spite of all he did in the pre-existent life, the Lord is willing, if the Negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory (Race Problems—As They Affect The Church, Address by Mark E. Petersen at the Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College Level, delivered at Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954).

            Mormons believe Cain followed the Devil while in heaven. Cain manages to have a physical birth, and the curse upon the Negroes, through Cain, was the dark skin. Those born in Africa were the vilest, and lowest of all spirits in their pre existance.

            In Joseph Smith’s History of the Church, we read that “the negroes” are the “sons of Cain” (vol. 4, p. 501). Apostle Bruce R. McConkie explains the curse put on Cain as follows: Though he was a rebel and an associate of Lucifer in pre-existence, and though he was a liar from the beginning whose name was Perdition, Cain managed to attain the privilege of mortal birth…. he came out in open rebellion, fought God, worshiped Lucifer, and slew Abel….As a result of his rebellion, Cain was cursed with a dark skin; he became the father of the Negroes, and those spirits who are not worthy to receive the priesthood are born through his lineage. He became the first mortal to be cursed as a son of perdition. As a result of his mortal birth he is assured of a tangible body of flesh and bones to eternity, a fact which will enable him to rule over Satan (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, p. 102).

            Thus, as a result of following the Devil, these spirits are cursed, and come through the lineage of Cain. “The black skin and flat nose, is “emblematic of eternal darkness.” They were an “inferior” race.”

            (We challenge any Mormon to refute what we have said here.)”–Ken Blue

          • http://byteline.blogspot.com Alma Allred

            It’s unfortunate that someone can tell Mormons what they really believe. The idea that, as you claim, “Mormons believe Cain followed the Devil while in heaven” is false. You can’t find a single knowledgeable Mormon who believes that.

          • GibbyD

            Their “apostle” Mark E. Peterson believed it and spoke about it as the transcript of what he said clearly shows . What is unfortunate is that you and others refuse to accept what mormon dogma and their teachers believed and taught . They are racists and blasphemers.

          • OrdinaryMormon

            I have directly acknowledged the racist theories taught by some past leaders. I’m not sure what more you are looking for.

          • OrdinaryMormon

            There is an undeniable hubris in claiming that you know what someone else “really” believes.

          • GibbyD

            Out of the abundance of the heart , the mouth speaks. Your “apostles” spoke and now you are saying they were wrong about what they said and believed. How then can you be sure that they are right about anything now ?

          • OrdinaryMormon

            On the issue of race, yes, those leaders were wrong.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            They believe that women Mormon women who are somehow perfect become like a goddess and our children are some how from them.They have many strange beliefs. Most are not taught these things.

          • OrdinaryMormon

            The quotes are legitimate, but are not the doctrine of the church. They are racist quotes of fallible men, the most recent being from 1958.

            Mormons do not believe the “seed of Cain” theory (that is a Christian theory that predates LDS, by the way) and certainly do not believe that “those born in Africa were the vilest, and lowest of all spirits in their pre existance.”

            While one can certainly dig up racist quotes from the past, it is simply untrue to claim that this is the doctrine of the church or to imply that this is what Mormons believe today or that it has anything to do with Glenn Beck. To do so is bear false witness and unfairly characterize what Mormons actually believe.

            “Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects unrighteous actions in a premortal life; that mixed-race marriages are a sin; or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else. Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form.” – Race and the Priesthood essay available on the LDS Church website.

          • KenS

            So, what you are in a sense saying is that today’s Mormon Church has become apostate to it’s original teachings?

          • OrdinaryMormon

            The teachings on race never achieved the status of official church doctrine. Read the sources I provided in my comments above.
            I would also suggest that you study the first several centuries of Christianity to observe how official doctrine is established. If you do, you will find that it took several hundred years and numerous councils to establish what should be regarded as orthodox Christian belief and what the canon of the Bible should be.
            Furthermore, Christian orthodoxy for the first 1500 years was Catholicism.

          • GibbyD

            so you are saying that the Mormons change shift in the wind to suit the popular present day politics and opinions . How convenient . I suppose they will also soon change their views on homosexual marriage as well. If they can just make it up as they go along , what really do you have ? The core difference between genuine Bible Christianity and Mormonism is that The Bible teaches clearly that salvation is by grace through faith and not of works. ( Ephesians 2:8,9; Galatians) . The book of James is about justification not salvation.

            Also Bible Christianity teaches that Jesus is The Creator of ALL , The Mighty God , The everlasting Father , The Great I Am . .

          • OrdinaryMormon

            No, GibbyD, I’m saying they are men who are subject to biases and cultural influences in some of their personal beliefs just as you and I are. Surely your study of the Bible has taught you that all men are subject to sin and error. Why would you hold these men to a different standard?

          • GibbyD

            The WORD of God and The WORD Incarnate , The LORD Jesus Christ , Do not change. God’s purposes revealed in the Word of God among other things , show Old and New Testament truths for Israel in the Old Testament and for His bride The Church in the New Testament . This is now the age of grace or Church age.

            Stick with God’s Word and not the words of men who think they are present day “apostles” “Let God be true and every man a liar “,In comparison. You can only trust The Holy Bible , The King James Bible to be sure. Since we do no have the autographs (originals) , only meticulously preserved copies of Copies, it is best to hold to the Bible God has used for over 400 years and is the most trusted translation of any other English translation of The Bible .

            — OrdinaryMormon , My over 33 years of studying The Bible convince me that ” all have sinned and come short of the glory of God ” ( Romans 3:23)KJB. I also read that the wages of sin is death but that the gift of God is eternal life ‘ ( Romans 6:23).

            “Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

            7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

            8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? ” ( John 14:5-8)KJB.

            — “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” ( John 8:58)KJB

            — “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. 9For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.

            The Resurrection of the Dead
            12Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

            The Order of Resurrection
            20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” ( 1st Corinthians 15:3-28)KJB

            — ********What is the proper response to these things about Jesus? What is it that will save us from hell and grant us everlasting and abundant life and love? Jesus said , ” Ye MUST be born again. ( John 3:3; 1st Peter 1:23)KJB. How is one born again? –> Simply by , ” ..repentance toward God and faith toward The LORD Jesus Christ ” ( Acts 20:21; 1st John 5:13; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Philippians 1:6)KJB

          • OrdinaryMormon

            Thank you for sharing your testimony, GibbyD.

          • OrdinaryMormon

            GibbyD, it is a pity you cannot express your arguments without resorting to insults (e.g., “OrdinaryMoron”). I answered you respectfully.

            I acknowledged in my original post that some racist theories were taught in the past, so I’m not sure what you think I don’t know about my religion. I am very familiar with the sources you cite above. You can read an interesting essay about this topic on the LDS Church’s website if you do a google search for “race and the priesthood essay”.

            If you want to further understand the development of the priesthood ban as a policy (it never met the standard of official doctrine), I would suggest that you read “Neither Black Nor White: Mormon Scholars Confront the Race Issue in a Universal Church” by Lester E. Bush and Armand L. Mauss. It’s available on Amazon.

            As a final comment, racism has played a prominent role throughout the history of Christianity, not just the LDS Church, and especially in America with it’s history of slavery. The “seed of Cain” theory, for example, predates the organization of the LDS Church, and I’m assuming you’re familiar with the reasons for the formation of the Southern Baptist Convention. It is all very regrettable, but we have moved on. Are any of us really in a position to cast stones on this issue?

          • GibbyD

            I can honestly say that addressing your name you use incorrectly was NOT intentional . I have macular degeneration and it is hard for me to see the screen .

            The truth concerning slavery is that The Christian Church was on the forefront of ending it . Nowhere is there any portion of Scripture that teaches that the curse of Cain was that he and his descendants would be black.

            Not all baptists , even southern Baptists back when it was formed agreed . I am not a baptist or southern Baptist but their essential doctrine concerning the Deity of Christ and salvation by grace through faith , is correct.

      • Bagnon DuJour

        Ephesians 4:6, “one God and Father of all” this includes Jesus and Satan, so if they have the same father, they are therefore brothers.

        • Nogods

          Isn’t it odd that the bargain Christianity offers is almost identical to the demands made by ISIS: Convert to Christianity or the Christian god will murder you?

          The only difference is that the Muslim followers are threatening to do the killing as opposed to the Christian god. But from the PERSPECTIVE OF A CHRISTIAN, who is more powerful, capable, and certain of carrying out such a sadistic plan: the followers of a god, which are mere mortals, or the Christian god – the all-powerful creator of the universe? So if we universally condemn the threat made by ISIS as sadistic and counter to basic ideas of liberty and justice, shouldn’t we condemn Christianity in even stronger terms in light of the unwavering christian belief in this perceived increase in certainty the Christian god will carry out the threat?

          • GibbyD

            Yes , because God is Holy , He cannot allow sin . Jesus became a man and died for our sins and arose from the dead . He will come again just as He said to gather together unto Himself all those that are BORN AGAIN who have repented toward God ( Holy Love ) and have placed their faith and trust toward The LORD Jesus Christ ” ( Acts 20:21; John 4:24; I JOhn 4:7,8; John 1;1-14)KJB. ( I Corinthians 15:51,52; I Thessalonians 4:16,17; Revelation 22:20)KJB.

            I believe this and you should too . The LORD Jesus Christ fulfills over 333 prophecies concerning Himself. How can you ignore all those and not believe He will come again for His Church ?

          • Nogods

            Jesus hasn’t done anything in 2,000 years has he? You would think he would get tired of watching muslim extremists lop off the heads of christians. But that still hasn’t motivated an appearance. Neither did two world wars, several mass genocides, millions of starving children, a few plagues, and the list goes on. He STILL seems VERY dead.

            There are no prophecies in any holy books. The claimed prophecies have either been consistently wrong, are so general they are meaningless, or they were written decades after the actual events occurred. Here is what a real prophecy looks like: “On January 22, 2015, at 2:17p.m., Jesus will descend from the sky and will land by the right foot of the Lincoln memorial.” Unfortunately, there is nothing even remotely close to being a prophesy in your holy book.

            If you think there are prophecies in the bible, tell me three things that will happen in the next week, or month, or year?

          • GibbyD

            “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” ( 2 Peter 3:9)KJB. Unlike the prophecies of people like Nostradamus, the prophecies about Jesus Christ are very exact , precise , very clear .

            101. Psalms 40:6-8….His delight-the will of the Father….John 4:34
            102. Psalms 40:9….He was to preach the Righteousness in Israel….Matthew 4:17
            103. Psalms 40:14…Confronted by adversaries in the Garden…John
            104. Psalms 41:9…..Betrayed by a familiar friend…..John 13:18
            105. Psalms 45:2…Words of Grace come from His lips.. Luke 4:22
            106. Psalms 45:6…To own the title, God or Elohim…Hebrews 1:8
            107. Psalms 45:7…A special anointing by the Holy Spirit…Matthew3:16; Hebrews1:9
            108. Psalms 45:7,8…Called the Christ (Messiah or Anointed)…Luke 2:11
            109. Psalms 49-15…His Resurrection…Acts 2:27; 13:35, Mark 16:6
            110. Psalms 55:12-14…Betrayed by a friend, not an enemy…John 13:18
            111. Psalms 55:15…Unrepentant death of the Betrayer…Matthew 27:3-5; Acts 1:16-19
            112. Psalms 68:18…To give gifts to men…Ephesians 4:7-16
            113. Psalms 68:18…Ascended into Heaven…Luke 24:51
            114. Psalms 69:4…Hated without a cause…John 15:25
            115. Psalms 69:8…A stranger to own brethren…Luke 8;20,21
            116. Psalms 69:9…Zealous for the Lord’s House…John 2:17
            117. Psalms 69:14-20…Messiah’s anguish of soul before crucifixion…Matthew 26:36-45
            118. Psalms 69:20…”My soul is exceeding sorrowful.”…Matthew 26:38
            119. Psalms 69:21…Given vinegar in thirst…Matthew 27:34
            120. Psalms 69:26…The Savior given and smitten by God…John 17:4; 18:11
            121. Psalms 72:10,11…Great persons were to visit Him…Matthew 2:1-11
            122. Psalms 72:16…The corn of wheat to fall into the Ground…John 12:24
            123. Psalms 72:17…His name, Yinon, will produce offspring…John 1:12,13
            124. Psalms 72:17…All nations shall be blessed by Him…Acts 2:11,12,41
            125. Psalms 78:1.2…He would teach in parables…Matthew 13:34-35
            126. Psalms 78:2b…To speak the Wisdom of God with authority…Matthew 7:29
            127. Psalms 88:8…They stood afar off and watched…Luke 23:49
            128. Psalms 89:26…Messiah will call God His Father…Matthew 11:27
            129. Psalms 89:27…Emmanuel to be higher than earthly kings…Luke 1:32,33
            130. Psalms 89:35-37…David’s Seed, throne, kingdom endure forever…Luke 1:32,33
            131. Psalms 89:36-37…His character-Faithfulness…Rev. 1:5
            132. Psalms 90:2…He is from everlasting (Micah 5:2)…John 1:1
            133. Psalms 91:11,12…Identified as Messianic; used to tempt Christ…Luke 4;10,11
            134. Psalms 97:9…His exaltation predicted…Acts 1:11;Ephesians 1:20
            135. Psalms 100:5…His character-Goodness…Matthew 19:16,17
            136. Psalms 102:1-11…The Suffering and Reproach of Calvary…John 21:16-30
            137. Psalms 102:16…Son of Man comes in Glory…Luke 21:24
            Revelation 12:5-10
            138. Psalms 102:25-27…Messiah is the Preexistent Son…Hebrews 1:10-12
            139. Psalms 109:4…Prays for His enemies…Luke 23:34
            140. Psalms 109:7,8…Another to succeed Judas…Acts 1:16-20
            141. Psalms 109:25…Ridiculed…Matthew 27:39
            142. Psalms 110:1…Son of David…Matthew 22:43
            143. Psalms 110:1…To ascend to the right-hand of the Father…Mark16:19
            144. Psalms 110:1…David’s son called Lord…Matthew 22:44,45
            145. Psalms 110:4…A priest after Melchizedek’s order…Hebrews 6:20
            146. Psalms 112:4…His character-Compassionate, Gracious, et al… Matthew 9;36
            147. Psalms 118:17,18…Messiah’s Resurrection assured…Luke 24:5-7;1 Corinthians 15:20
            148. Psalms 118:22,23…The rejected stone is Head of the corner…Matthew 21:42,43
            149. Psalms 118:26a…The Blessed One presented to Israel…Matthew 21:9
            150. Psalms 118:26b…To come while Temple standing…Matthew 21;12-15
            151. Psalms 132:11…The Seed of David (the fruit of His Body)…Luke 1:32
            152. Psalms 138:1-6…The supremacy of David’s Seed amazes kings… Matthew 2:2-6
            153. Psalms 147:3,6…The earthly ministry of Christ described…Luke 4:18
            154. Psalms 1:23…He will send the Spirit of God… John 16;7

          • GibbyD

            Here are some more concerning Jesus . Very precise prophecies . 155. Proverbs 8:22-23…The Messiah would be from everlasting…John 17:5156. Proverbs 30:4…Declared to be the Son of God…John 3:13, Romans 1:2-4, 10:6-9, 2 Peter 1:17
            157. Song of Solomon 5:16…The altogether lovely One…John 1:17
            158. Isaiah 2:2-4…Repentance for the nations…Luke 24:47
            159. Isaiah 4:2…Messiah reigning
            160. Isaiah 5:1-6…Son of God’s vineyard: a parable of judgment
            161. Isaiah 6:1…When Isaiah saw His glory… John 12:40-41
            162. Isaiah 6:9-10…Parables fall on deaf ears…Matthew 13:13-15
            163. Isaiah 6:9-12…Blinded to Christ and deaf to His words…Acts 28:23-29
            164. Isaiah 7:14…To be born of a virgin…Luke 1:35
            165. Isaiah 7:14…To be Emmanuel-God with us… Matthew 1:18-23
            166. Isaiah 8:8…Called Emmanuel…Matthew 28:20
            167. Isaiah 8:14…A stone of stumbling, a Rock of offense… 1 Pet. 2:8
            168. Isaiah 9:1,2…His ministry to begin in Galilee…Matthew 4:12-17
            169. Isaiah 9:6…A child born-Humanity…Luke 1:31
            170. Isaiah 9:6…A Son given-Deity…Luke 1:32; John 1;14; 1 Tim. 3:16
            171. Isaiah 9:6…Declared to be the Son of God with power… Romans. 1:3,4
            172. Isaiah 9:6…The Wonderful One, Peleh…Luke 4:22
            173. Isaiah 9:6…The Counselor, Yaatz…Matthew 13:54
            174. Isaiah 9:6…The Mighty God, El Gibor…Matthew 11:20
            175. Isaiah 9:6…The Everlasting Father, Avi Adth…John 8:58
            176. Isaiah 9:6…The Prince of Peace, Sar Shalom…John . 16:33
            177. Isaiah 9:7…To establish an everlasting kingdom…Luke 1:32-33
            178. Isaiah 9:7…His Character-Just…John 5:30
            179. Isaiah 9:7…No end to his Government, Throne, and Peace…Luke 1:32-33
            180. Isaiah 11:1…Called a Nazarene-the Branch, Netzer…Matthew 2:23
            181. Isaiah 11:1…A rod out of Jesse-Son of Jesse…Luke 3:23,32
            182. Isaiah 11:2…The anointed One by the Spirit…Matthew 3;16,17
            183. Isaiah 11:2…His Character-Wisdom, Understanding, et al….John 4:4-26
            184. Isaiah 11:4…His Character-Truth…John 14:6
            185. Isaiah 11:10…The Gentiles seek Him…John 12:18-21
            186. Isaiah 12:2…Called Jesus-Yeshua (salvation)…Matthew 1:21
            187. Isaiah 16:4,5…Reigning in mercy…Luke 1:31-33
            188. Isaiah 22:21-25…Peg in a sure place…Revelation 3:7
            189. Isaiah 25:8…The Resurrection predicted…I Corinthians 15:54
            190. Isaiah 26:19…His power of Resurrection predicted…John 11:43,44
            191. Isaiah 28:16…The Messiah is the precious corner stone…Acts 4:11,12
            192. Isaiah 29:13…He indicated hypocritical obedience to His Word…Matthew 15:7-9
            193. Isaiah 29:14…The wise are confounded by the Word…I Corinthians 1:18-31
            194. Isaiah 32:2…A Refuge-A man shall be a hiding place…Matthew 23:37
            195. Isaiah 33:22…Son of the Highest…Luke 1:32; 1 Timothy 1:17 6:15
            196. Isaiah 35:4…He will come and save you…Matthew 1:21
            197. Isaiah 35:5…To have a ministry of miracles…Matthew 11:4-6
            198. Isaiah 40:3,4…Preceded by forerunner…John 1:23
            199. Isaiah 40:9…”Behold your God.”…John 1:36;19:14
            200. Isaiah 40:11…A shepherd-compassionate life-giver…John 10:10-18
            201. Isaiah 42:1-4…The Servant-as a faithful, patient redeemer… Matthew12:18-21
            202. Isaiah 42:2…Meek and lowly… Matthew 11:28-30
            203. Isaiah 42:3…He brings hope for the hopeless… John 4
            204. Isaiah 42:4…The nations shall wait on His teachings… John 12:20-26
            205. Isaiah 42:6…The Light (salvation) of the Gentiles…Luke 2:32
            206. Isaiah 42:1,6…His is a Worldwide compassion… Matthew 28:19,20
            207. Isaiah 42:7…Blind eyes opened… John 9:25-38
            208. Isaiah 42:13-25…Messiah’s actions at His second coming…Revelation
            209. Isaiah 43:11…He is the only Savior… Acts 4:12
            210. Isaiah 44:3…He will send the Spirit of God… John 16:7,13
            211. Isaiah 45:23…He will be the Judge… John 5:22;Romans. 14:11
            212. Isaiah 48:12…The First and the Last…John 1:30;Rev. 1:8,17
            213. Isaiah 48:17…He came as a Teacher…John 3:2
            214. Isaiah 49:1…Called from the womb-His humanity…Matthew 1:18
            215. Isaiah 49:5…A Servant from the womb…Luke 1:31;Phil. 2:7
            216. Isaiah 49:6…He is Salvation for Israel…Luke 2:29-32
            217. Isaiah 49:6…He is the Light of the Gentiles…Acts 13:47
            218. Isaiah 49:6…He is Salvation unto the ends of the earth… Acts 15:7-18
            219. Isaiah 49:7…He is despised of the Nation… John 8:48-49
            220. Isaiah 50:3…Heaven is clothed in black at His humiliation… Luke 23:44,45
            221. Isaiah 50:4…He is a learned counselor for the weary… Matthew 11:28,29
            222. Isaiah 50:5…The Servant bound willingly to obedience… Matthew 26:39
            223. Isaiah 50:6a…”I gave my back to the smiters.”… Matthew 27:26
            224. Isaiah 50:6b…He was smitten on the cheeks… Matthew 26:67
            225. Isaiah 50:6c…He was spat upon… Matthew 27:30
            226. Isaiah 52:4-5…Suffered vicariously…Mark 15:3,4,27,28; Luke 23:1-25,32-34
            227. Isaiah 52:7…To publish good tidings of peace… Luke 4:14,15
            228. Isaiah 52:13…The Servant exalted…Acts 1:8-11; Ephesians 1:19-22
            229. Isaiah 52:13…Behold, My Servant… Matthew 17:5; Phil. 2:5-8
            230. Isaiah 52:14…The Servant shockingly abused… Luke 18:31-34; Matthew 26:67,68
            231. Isaiah 52:15…Nations startled by message of the Servant… Romans. 15:18-21
            232. Isaiah 52:15…His blood shed to make atonement for all… Rev. 1:5
            233. Isaiah 53:1…His people would not believe Him… John 12:37-38
            234. Isaiah 53:2a…He would grow up in a poor family…. Luke 2:7
            235. Isaiah 53:2b…Appearance of an ordinary man… Phil. 2:7-8
            236. Isaiah 53:3a…Despised…. Luke 4:28-29
            237. Isaiah 53:3b…Rejected… Matthew 27:21-23
            238. Isaiah 53:3c…Great sorrow and grief… Luke 19:41-42
            239. Isaiah 53:3d…Men hide from being associated with Him… Mark 14:50-52
            240. Isaiah 53:4a…He would have a healing ministry… Luke 6:17-19
            241. Isaiah 53:4b…He would bear the sins of the world… 1 Pet. 2:24
            242. Isaiah 53:4c…Thought to be cursed by God… Matthew 27:41-43
            243. Isaiah 53:5a…Bears penalty for mankind’s transgressions… Luke 23:33
            244. Isaiah 53:5b…His sacrifice would provide peace between man and God… Col. 1:20
            245. Isaiah 53:5c…His back would be whipped… Matthew 27:26
            246. Isaiah 53:6a…He would be the sin-bearer for all mankind…Galatians 1:4
            247. Isaiah 53:6b…God’s will that He bear sin for all mankind… 1 John 4:10
            248. Isaiah 53:7a…Oppressed and afflicted… Matthew 27:27-31
            249. Isaiah 53:7b…Silent before his accusers… Matthew 27:12-14
            250. Isaiah 53:7c…Sacrificial lamb… John 1:29
            251. Isaiah 53:8a…Confined and persecuted… Matthew 26:47-27:31
            252. Isaiah 53:8b…He would be judged… John 18:13-22
            253. Isaiah 53:8c…Killed…. Matthew 27:35
            254. Isaiah 53:8d…Dies for the sins of the world… 1 John 2:2
            255. Isaiah 53:9a…Buried in a rich man’s grave… Matthew 27:57
            256. Isaiah 53:9b…Innocent and had done no violence… Mark 15:3
            257. Isaiah 53:9c…No deceit in his mouth… John 18:38
            258. Isaiah 53:10a…God’s will that He die for mankind… John 18:11
            259. Isaiah 53:10b…An offering for sin… Matthew 20:28
            260. Isaiah 53:10c…Resurrected and live forever…. Mark 16:16
            261. Isaiah 53:10d…He would prosper… John 17:1-5
            262. Isaiah 53:11a…God fully satisfied with His suffering… John 12:27
            263. Isaiah 53:11b…God’s servant… Romans. 5:18-19
            264. Isaiah 53:11c…He would justify man before God… Romans. 5:8-9
            265. Isaiah 53:11d…The sin-bearer for all mankind… Hebrews 9:28
            266. Isaiah 53:12a…Exalted by God because of his sacrifice… Matthew 28:18
            267. Isaiah 53:12b…He would give up his life to save mankind… Luke 23:46
            268. Isaiah 53:12c…Grouped with criminals… Luke 23:32
            269. Isaiah 53:12d…Sin-bearer for all mankind… 2 Corinthians 5:21
            270. Isaiah 53:12e…Intercede to God in behalf of mankind… Luke 23:34
            271. Isaiah 55:1…Every one come who is thirsty…New Testament
            272. Isaiah 55:3…Resurrected by God… Acts 13:34
            273. Isaiah 55:4…A witness… John 18:37
            274. Isaiah 55:5…Foreign nations come to God…Acts
            275. Isaiah 59:15-16a…He would come to provide salvation… John 6:40
            276. Isaiah 59:15-16b…Intercessor between man and God… Matthew 10:32
            277. Isaiah 59:20…He would come to Zion as their Redeemer… Luke 2:38
            278. Isaiah 60:1-3…Nations walk in the light…Luke 2:32
            279. Isaiah 61:1-2a…The Spirit of God upon him… Matthew 3:16-17
            280. Isaiah 61:1-2b…The Messiah would preach the good news… Luke 4:17-21
            281. Isaiah 61:1-2c…Provide freedom from the bondage of sin and death… John 8:31-32
            282. Isaiah 61:1-2…Proclaim a period of grace… John 5:24
            283. Isaiah 62:1-2…Called by an new name…Luke 2:32, Revelation 3:12
            284. Isaiah 62:11…Thy King Cometh, Entered Jerusalem on Colt…Matthew 21:7
            285. Isaiah 63:1-3…A vesture dipped in blood…Revelation 19:13
            286. Isaiah 63:8,9…Afflicted with the afflicted…Matthew 25:34-40
            287. Isaiah 65:9…The elect shall inherit…Romans 11 5-7, Hebrews 7:14, Revelation 5:5
            288. Isaiah 65:17-25…New heaven/New Earth…2 Peter 3:13, Revelation 21:1
            289. Isaiah 66:18-19…All nations come to God…New Testament

        • GibbyD

          Mormons have a different Jesus then The One that is revealed in The Bible .
          The LORD Jesus Christ is God incarnate , The ONE and ONLY God . God is a Spirit ( John 4:24). God is love ( I John 4:7,8)KJB. God became a man in the person of The LORD Jesus Christ ( John 1:1-14)KJB. .Jesus said ” if you have seen me , you have seen The Father . Jesus said ” I am the Father are ONE. The Scriptures record that IN CHRIST dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily ( Col. 2:9)KJB. Jesus is called the expressed image of His person ( Heb. 1:3)KJB. If you are trusting in anything or anyone else other than The LORD Jesus Christ revealed in The Bible , then you are yet in your sins and not saved from the wrath of God. If you should weep , it should be for the fact that you have believed a lie . If I did not warn you , then I would be indeed not the follower of The LORD Jesus that I should be . How can any professing believer not speak when false doctrine is espoused that would keep someone from everlasting and abundant life ?

          • Nogods

            I just can’t figure out why anyone would choose to worship a god that threatens to torture you if you actually use the mind he supposedly has given you. Most people are opposed to sadistic dictators; Christians claim to have a “relationship” with one – and to love him.

          • GibbyD

            The same God that bore our sins in His own body while on the cross of Calvary . The same God incarnate , The LORD Jesus Christ Who suffered the full wrath of God upon Himself so that you and I do not have to. What is needed though from us is ” repentance toward God and faith toward The LORD Jesus Christ .( Acts 20:21)KJB. If you do not accept that you are a sinner and then also do not trust in Christ’s sacrifice for your sins , then you will have to pay for your sins yourself forever in Hell . ( I Corinthians 1:21)KJB

          • Nogods

            Yep, just like I said – a sadistic dictator.

            And Jesus didn’t die for anyone’s sins. That is just a 1st century superstitious belief. From purely a logical point of view, you can’t hurt an all powerful god. And you certainly can’t kill one. So the whole death/resurrection was just an elaborate theatrical performance to entertain the delusional masses. If you weren’t a brainwashed member of a doomsday cult, this would not be difficult to understand.

      • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

        I used to be a Mormon Many years ago.There are many things they believe that is against the Word of God.. The Lord Delivered me and I will never go back.

      • Lori

        It was the Fourth of July. We have an apostate church and a country that has lost its basic freedoms. Glenn Beck is not your problem, he has been part of the solution. If Southern Baptists can’t handle listening to someone for one morning who has different beliefs than you, than you have serious issues. He wasn’t there to convert you, he was there to join you in a mission to rescue our country. If you want to protest something, protest the threats to our religious freedom. Glenn Beck is on your side–do you remember the Moral Majority?

        • GibbyD

          Lori , the problem in our country and the world , is primarily a sin problem. The right answer to that problem is the most important than any other. Beck does not have the right answer or solution . All he offers from his beliefs is window dressing and most cleaning of the outside of the cup . ( 1 Samuel 16:7; Ephesians 2:8,9; John 3:3; 1st Peter 1:23; 2 Corinthians 5:17; 1st John 517)KJB

          • Lori

            How is your strategy working out for you? Dr. Jerry Falwell had the foresight to work together with Mormons and Pentecostals in order to build a coalition of like-minded persons. I suppose you wouldn’t allow Pat Robertson to enter your church either. Of course, I would also be denied entry because I speak in tongues!!. 🙂 But, that creates a real issue for discussion! Indeed, I feel that you are blaspheming the Holy Spirit when you treat Him that way. Thus, I think YOU are sinning when you adhere to your doctrinal positions. I guess we need to build our own little islands as we surrender to the Socialists. Shalom!

          • GibbyD

            You do not know anything about my beliefs or where and how I gather with other believers.

            Falwell did not allow cult members to espouse their heresy and lies at the pulpit of Thomas Roads Baptist Church. I am not a Baptist but I agree with most of what Baptists believe concerning the Deity of Christ and salvation .

            Blasphemy of The Holy Spirit is attributing the works of The LORD Jesus Christ ,while He walked on the earth , to the devil. I believe the works that Jesus did were of God . “Speaking in tongues” , as The Bible teaches it , is not a dis-qualifier with God whether or not you profess to do it or not.

            ——-“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

            16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

            17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

            18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” 2 Corinthians 6:14-18)KJB

          • Lori

            No, I have no idea who you gather with; however, based on your lack of grace, I would guess Westboro Baptist.

          • GibbyD

            So because I believe The Bible concerning the fact that Jesus is God and that He in LOVE bore in His own body the sins of the world , suffered and died and then arose from the dead, that somehow that means I lack “grace’ ? Because I believe that salvation is based only upon His finished work on the Cross and faith in Jesus alone and not upon our filthy rags self-righteousness ( Isaiah 64:6)KJB, that somehow that makes me associated with the Westboro cult ? Do you see your own deceitfulness and lack of grace and love Lori ?

          • Lori

            Believing the Bible is good–eviscerating someone’s heart with it is cruel. Standing for truth is good–acting like a self-righteous pharisee turns you into a whitewashed tomb. Paul stated that our words should always be full of grace and seasoned with salt (Col 4:6). I must tell you that your words are neither, and you remind me of the Westboro Baptists.

          • GibbyD

            Show me an example anywhere that I have “eviserated someone’s heart ” . To “speak the truth in love , you must be speaking the truth first . You are a being judgmental and wrong to say I am not sharing the Truth in Love. That is a false railing accusation . I would be a ” self-righteous pharisee” if i preached salvation by works , which is what Mormonism teaches . If you believe that a truly born again could become unborn spiritually and lose their salvation , then you would be the one teaching filthy rags self-righteousness. I am not trusting in my own good works , deeds , baptism , church attendance , tithing etc. I am trusting ONLY in The LORD Jesus Christ and HIS righteousness and what He did at Calvary to save me . I believe that only The LORD Jesus Christ deserves all the Glory , Honor and praise for Who He is and what He did to save those that are Born Again. Most cults and even some people that think they are Christians are trusting in their own goodness and deeds . Those are the ones that are yet unsaved and are self-righteous pharisees .

          • Lori

            Show me where Glenn Beck espoused heresies from the pulpit at the church this past Sunday. Give me a quote. If he didn’t, that’s slander and bearing false testimony. Hence, you need to remove the log from your own eye prior to searching for specks.

            Now, I’m done with this conversation because I can’t even say what I really think. I’d love to quote Scripture, but I’d have to share pearls with swine.

            Glenn Beck may not share your views, but he’s worthy of respect. He was an invited guest–moreover, he spends most of his time trying to save his country. If you really feel that his beliefs are misguided, take him by the hand and speak to him with words of grace. Then pray for him. What you and the other so-called Westboro Baptist-light types are doing is a smear on the name of Christ.

          • GibbyD

            I have not heard any audio from that event nor seen the transcript yet. If he said anything similar as he did at Liberty University then yes I can cite many places where he espoused false doctrine . Go back and listen to what he said at Liberty University last year. The bottom line is that an anti-christ representative should never have been invited to speak in the sanctuary of Born Again Believers that are gathered in and unto The name of The LORD Jesus Christ .

            “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.” ( 1st John 2:18-24)KJB.

            According to Mormon theology, God the Father is a physical being of “flesh and bones.” Mormons identify him as the Biblical god Elohim. Latter-day Saint leaders have also taught that God the Father was once a mortal man who has completed the process of becoming an exalted being. According to Joseph Smith, God “once was a man like one of us and … once dwelled on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did in the flesh and like us.”

            Lori , you say you would ” love to quote Scripture” . Can you quote anything that discredits any of things I have listed in these posts concerning Mormon doctrine , The Deity of The LORD Jesus Christ , Salvation by grace through faith , and the warnings God gives about fellow-shipping with error , darkness and anti-christ beliefs ?

            I do not know why you would ignore God’s commands about separating from evil and especially the Mormon type of teaching that calls Jesus less than The HOLY God . I have my suspicion that your error is rooted in poor teaching and exposure to worldly philosophy and ideas about how to solve the worlds problems .

            “I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

            3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.” ( Romans 12:1-3)KJB.

            — “Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
            7Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

            8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

            9For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

            10For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:

            11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” ( Isaiah 55:1-11)KJB

    • Oboehner

      Too bad it’s not the right thing.

  • FoJC_Forever

    False doctrine promotes the irrelevancy of Doctrine which is from the Holy Spirit. The world is full of false religion, just as in the days of Noah, and just as in the days when Jesus walked the earth.

    The End of this Age is at hand.

    Judgement is coming.

    • Nogods

      Isn’t it interesting to think that, over the past 2,000 years, BILLIONS of Christians have believed that Jesus would return during their lifetime. Just like you do. And EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM have gone to their graves COMPLETELY WRONG. Why do you think that your reality will somehow be different then the billions that have come before you?

      So when Jesus finally returns to dispense his 1st century barbarism, do you think he is going to go door-to-door and shoot non-believers in the face, or do you think he will really want to get his hands dirty and hack off heads with a dull knife like the Muslims like to do? More importantly, are you going to just sit by and watch the slaughter unfold, maybe enjoy a little popcorn and a cold drink, or do you think you will join in on the religious cleansing?

      • KenS

        We are commanded to live as thought he can come today, but we also understand that nonone knows the time of his coming.

        And you have the wrong idea about what is going to happen when he comes. There is going to be a great tribulation, yes, but it will also be a time for any who have not heard the gospel to have the opportunity to hear it and either receive or reject it. We, Christians, will be in heaven at this time, being judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ, then we will be at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

        • Nogods

          And BILLIONS of Christians have been wrong and NONE have EVER been right.

          Tell me what would happen if Jesus returned today. Be sure to included how all the non believers end up in a lake of fire and what role an all-powerful god plays in getting them there.

          • KenS

            If Jesus were to return today, there would be a whole lot of missing persons reports, people would have vanished right in front of your eyes, leaving their clothes behind. There would be a period of chaos and mass hysteria until the Government was able to give you some kind of story to believe, cause you know you aren’t going to believe that it was the rapture. Then something after, we don’t know how long it will be, but there will be an emergence of a charismatic leader in the middle east and he will get a peace treaty in Israel, and announce that the Temple is going to be rebuilt. This will start a seven year ( supposedly peace), that in fact will be 3 1/2 years, then the other 3 1/2 years will be a time of terrible tribulation, after the 7 years is up, then Jesus and all the saints will come back down for the battle of Armageddon, which will be over in an instant. Then Jesus will bind Satan for 1000 yrs and set up his millennial kingdom. At the end of the 1000 yrs, Satan is released for one last attempt to get followers, then finally the Great White Throne Judgment happens and that is when all the non-believers and Satan are thrown in the Lake of Fire.

            So, you see even if Jesus were to come back today, the Lake of Fire would not happen for at least 1007 years!

          • Nogods

            What a ridiculously dumb story. I really have no idea how any intelligent person could think it was true. And people think Scientology is nuts. Christianity makes Scientology look completely sane.

      • GibbyD

        BUt for those born again Christians that died waiting for Him , He did come in their lifetime because they have everlasting life. Only their bodies died “Absent from the Body and present with The LORD”.

        • Nogods

          Does it bother you knowing that billions of Christians have been wrong about the return of Jesus over the last 2,000 years?

          isnt the idea of eternal life just an ancient superstitious belief?

          • GibbyD

            For those IN Christ that are born again , if they died before The catching up of the Church as is recorded about in I Thessalonians 4:16,17 and I Corinthians 15:51,52)KJb, He actually did come in their lifetime because born again Christians HAVE ALREADY everlasting Life. Only their bodies died . At the moment of physical death they become absent from their old body and they were in the presence of The LORD Jesus so , yes , He came in their lifetime , their everlasting life time .

          • Leslie

            Nogods, doesn’t it bother you that atheists are persecuting Christians in a country that was founded on Christianity? It must because you’re here. . If you look at Revelation in the Bible you will realize there was no technology available in the past to make it possible for everyone to see for themselves the Two Watchers who die and come back to life in full view of the world. How would that happen? How about “when Israel is once again a nation”? That was so random a happening after 1900 years. (Read that story) How did God know that would happen? They recently found 12 copies of Isaiah from 120BC so it was written 2000 plus years ago, random coincidence right? I have to ask you is why take the chance, why not check out a Bible? Why not try God.

            Evolution has been disproven by facts, atheists are going to get a rude awakening. Did you see the Dino footprint in Ohio that has squashed a human footprint underneath, Dinos and humans that still have Carbon 14 available to test in the bones? Read and you will learn why that’s not millions of years old, not even possible, these fossils (not really because the bones are bones and are not fossilized ie stone)are thousands not millions of years old. Carbon 14 doesn’t last that long nether does the biological material stay available in fossilized stone. Which you might have heard of their “jurassic” organic material? Scientists got some ‘splaining to do but instead it’s all in the backroom of the Smithsonian…hidden.

          • Nogods

            When did christanity become so anti-science and the religion of stupid?

          • Leslie

            Aaahhh, the liberal progressive go to…you’re stoooopid. Science and The Bible go hand in hand that’s why every researcher checks it against what they find as one of their resources. Since I’ve studied archeology for 40 years or so, I know this. Evolution isn’t proven fact, even Darwin doubted it but if it means there is no God it will be something to cling to for atheists. Check the Cambrian Explosion and tell me why the fossils there show fully formed complex animals families and no precursors in the PreCambrian layer can be found. To emphasize…No evolution per the theory can be found. You are basing you life on quicksand kid. The scientific community is very much like the Democrats if the truth doesn’t support the narrative they hide the facts. all scientists in that field know it, ask one. If you can ever get in the back room of the Smithsonian do so, very eye opening.

  • Jim Van Alstine

    Not clever for mega Church or any other christains!

  • Alfred Newman

    the folks can hear a fairy-tale for a change…

  • GibbyD

    The following information references are from the Mormon source documents themselves . I am sorry most people ,or even morons, know what this religious organization believes . Check the following references by highlighting , copying and pasting on to your google search to find the info. The Mormon religious organization does not willingly offer this information to the public . Mormon LDS source documents proving what I have said concerning their blasphemous and racist beliefs.
    ***LDS “Apostle” Bruce R. McConkie , Mormon Doctrine ,p.527,528; 1966 edition . ***LDS “Historian” BH Roberts , The Contributor Vol. 6 pp. 296-297. ***LDS “Apostle” Mark E. Peterson , “Race Problems As They Affect the Church” , Address delivered at Brigham Young University , Provo , Utah, August 27, 1954. ***LDS Pearl Of Great Price , Abraham 1:24. *** LDS “Prophet” Brigham Young , Journal Of Discourses,Vol. 7, P.290, 1859. ***LDS “Prophet” John Taylor , Journal Of Discourses , Vol.22 p. 304, 1881. ***LDS Pearl Of Great Price , Moses 7:8,12. ***LDS Pearl Of Great Price Abraham 1:20-27. ***LDS “Prophet” Joseph Fielding Smith , The Way To Perfection pp.101-102, 1931. *** Book ‘ The Changing World Of Mormonism’ by Jerald and Sandra Tanner . *** IT WAS NOT UNTIL 1978 , AFTER A SPEECH BY LDS “PROPHET” SPENCER W. KIMBALL DID MORMONS CONSIDER ALLOWING BLACK MEN INTO THEIR PRIESTHOOD . *******Mormonism has not rejected it’s underlying doctrines of white supremacy , which are present in Mormon “Scripture” . Examples ; ** LDS Pearl Of Great Price Moses 5:15-41; 7:8,12. **Abraham 1:20-27.** The Book Of Mormon , Alma 3:6. **2 Nephi 5:21; 30:6-7.

    • Bagnon DuJour

      Gibby, you should follow 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

      • GibbyD

        Bagnon, I am not a woman but if I were those verses would not apply to a sister in Christ outside the assembly meetings .

  • Bagnon DuJour

    Glenn Beck is a good man and it is very shortsighted to dismiss what he has to share about American History and patriotism just because you disagree with his personal religious beliefs.

    Baptists also have many false beliefs that the Mormons get right. One major one being that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are exactly the same person. For example, just read the vision that Stephen had, described in Acts 7:55, “But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.”

    But more important than belief is how you treat other people. James 1:27, “Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction”, James 2:14-17, “What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”

    • GibbyD

      Christians believe The Bible concerning the true Deity of The LORD Jesus Christ . They asked Jesus to show them The Father . He said , Have I not been with you and have you not known me ? Jesus answered by saying that He that hath seem me has seen The Father .

      • Nogods

        Isn’t it interesting how Christianity evolved from a jewish sect and incorporated the jewish god into its dogma?

        • GibbyD

          ( Psalm 14:1 )KJB

          • Nogods

            There are thousands of gods. They are just ALL fictional.

            Do you think that you might be a brainwashed cult member?

          • GibbyD

            What god do you know that fulfills over 333 prophecies concerning Himself ? Some of those prophecies were written thousands of years before His incarnation and birth .

          • Nogods

            Tell me three prophecies that will happen this week? Prophecies are easy to read into anything after the fact. That is called confirmation bias.

          • GibbyD

            General Bible prophecies or those concerning The Messiah ? Generally I can think of a few off hand , YOU being one.

            ” Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? ” ( 2 Peter 3:3,4)KJB.

            2. “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.” ( 2 Timothy 3:13)KJB

            3. “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.” ( 2 Timothy 3:1-9)KJB

          • Nogods

            “General Bible prophecies or those concerning The Messiah ? Generally I can think of a few off hand , YOU being one.
            ” Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? ” ( 2 Peter 3:3,4)KJB.”

            That is a very poor prophecy as there have been armies of doubters from the day jesus allegedly rose from the dead. 2,000 years later, still nothing. If I say that there will be scoffers before a big war, I will have been right 100% of the time prior to every war that has EVER been fought.

            “2. “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.” ( 2 Timothy 3:13)KJB”

            Again, that has continued unabated for 2,000 years. Still nothing. And it is so vague as to be meaningless.

            “3. “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.” ( 2 Timothy 3:1-9)KJB”

            That is so general it is meaningless. Again, this has continued unabated for the past 2,000 years.

            Is this really the best you can do? Because it is VERY unconvincing. I bet I can predict 100 different things that will happen over the next 2,000 years. I bet I can propheciez 10 things that will occur this year.

          • GibbyD

            155. Proverbs 8:22-23…The Messiah would be from everlasting…John 17:5
            156. Proverbs 30:4…Declared to be the Son of God…John 3:13, Romans 1:2-4, 10:6-9, 2 Peter 1:17
            157. Song of Solomon 5:16…The altogether lovely One…John 1:17
            158. Isaiah 2:2-4…Repentance for the nations…Luke 24:47
            159. Isaiah 4:2…Messiah reigning
            160. Isaiah 5:1-6…Son of God’s vineyard: a parable of judgment
            161. Isaiah 6:1…When Isaiah saw His glory… John 12:40-41
            162. Isaiah 6:9-10…Parables fall on deaf ears…Matthew 13:13-15
            163. Isaiah 6:9-12…Blinded to Christ and deaf to His words…Acts 28:23-29
            164. Isaiah 7:14…To be born of a virgin…Luke 1:35
            165. Isaiah 7:14…To be Emmanuel-God with us… Matthew 1:18-23
            166. Isaiah 8:8…Called Emmanuel…Matthew 28:20
            167. Isaiah 8:14…A stone of stumbling, a Rock of offense… 1 Pet. 2:8
            168. Isaiah 9:1,2…His ministry to begin in Galilee…Matthew 4:12-17
            169. Isaiah 9:6…A child born-Humanity…Luke 1:31
            170. Isaiah 9:6…A Son given-Deity…Luke 1:32; John 1;14; 1 Tim. 3:16
            171. Isaiah 9:6…Declared to be the Son of God with power… Romans. 1:3,4
            172. Isaiah 9:6…The Wonderful One, Peleh…Luke 4:22
            173. Isaiah 9:6…The Counselor, Yaatz…Matthew 13:54
            174. Isaiah 9:6…The Mighty God, El Gibor…Matthew 11:20
            175. Isaiah 9:6…The Everlasting Father, Avi Adth…John 8:58
            176. Isaiah 9:6…The Prince of Peace, Sar Shalom…John . 16:33
            177. Isaiah 9:7…To establish an everlasting kingdom…Luke 1:32-33
            178. Isaiah 9:7…His Character-Just…John 5:30
            179. Isaiah 9:7…No end to his Government, Throne, and Peace…Luke 1:32-33
            180. Isaiah 11:1…Called a Nazarene-the Branch, Netzer…Matthew 2:23
            181. Isaiah 11:1…A rod out of Jesse-Son of Jesse…Luke 3:23,32
            182. Isaiah 11:2…The anointed One by the Spirit…Matthew 3;16,17
            183. Isaiah 11:2…His Character-Wisdom, Understanding, et al….John 4:4-26
            184. Isaiah 11:4…His Character-Truth…John 14:6
            185. Isaiah 11:10…The Gentiles seek Him…John 12:18-21
            186. Isaiah 12:2…Called Jesus-Yeshua (salvation)…Matthew 1:21
            187. Isaiah 16:4,5…Reigning in mercy…Luke 1:31-33
            188. Isaiah 22:21-25…Peg in a sure place…Revelation 3:7
            189. Isaiah 25:8…The Resurrection predicted…I Corinthians 15:54
            190. Isaiah 26:19…His power of Resurrection predicted…John 11:43,44
            191. Isaiah 28:16…The Messiah is the precious corner stone…Acts 4:11,12
            192. Isaiah 29:13…He indicated hypocritical obedience to His Word…Matthew 15:7-9
            193. Isaiah 29:14…The wise are confounded by the Word…I Corinthians 1:18-31
            194. Isaiah 32:2…A Refuge-A man shall be a hiding place…Matthew 23:37
            195. Isaiah 33:22…Son of the Highest…Luke 1:32; 1 Timothy 1:17 6:15
            196. Isaiah 35:4…He will come and save you…Matthew 1:21
            197. Isaiah 35:5…To have a ministry of miracles…Matthew 11:4-6
            198. Isaiah 40:3,4…Preceded by forerunner…John 1:23
            199. Isaiah 40:9…”Behold your God.”…John 1:36;19:14
            200. Isaiah 40:11…A shepherd-compassionate life-giver…John 10:10-18
            201. Isaiah 42:1-4…The Servant-as a faithful, patient redeemer… Matthew12:18-21
            202. Isaiah 42:2…Meek and lowly… Matthew 11:28-30
            203. Isaiah 42:3…He brings hope for the hopeless… John 4
            204. Isaiah 42:4…The nations shall wait on His teachings… John 12:20-26
            205. Isaiah 42:6…The Light (salvation) of the Gentiles…Luke 2:32
            206. Isaiah 42:1,6…His is a Worldwide compassion… Matthew 28:19,20
            207. Isaiah 42:7…Blind eyes opened… John 9:25-38
            208. Isaiah 42:13-25…Messiah’s actions at His second coming…Revelation
            209. Isaiah 43:11…He is the only Savior… Acts 4:12
            210. Isaiah 44:3…He will send the Spirit of God… John 16:7,13
            211. Isaiah 45:23…He will be the Judge… John 5:22;Romans. 14:11
            212. Isaiah 48:12…The First and the Last…John 1:30;Rev. 1:8,17
            213. Isaiah 48:17…He came as a Teacher…John 3:2
            214. Isaiah 49:1…Called from the womb-His humanity…Matthew 1:18
            215. Isaiah 49:5…A Servant from the womb…Luke 1:31;Phil. 2:7
            216. Isaiah 49:6…He is Salvation for Israel…Luke 2:29-32
            217. Isaiah 49:6…He is the Light of the Gentiles…Acts 13:47
            218. Isaiah 49:6…He is Salvation unto the ends of the earth… Acts 15:7-18
            219. Isaiah 49:7…He is despised of the Nation… John 8:48-49
            220. Isaiah 50:3…Heaven is clothed in black at His humiliation… Luke 23:44,45
            221. Isaiah 50:4…He is a learned counselor for the weary… Matthew 11:28,29
            222. Isaiah 50:5…The Servant bound willingly to obedience… Matthew 26:39
            223. Isaiah 50:6a…”I gave my back to the smiters.”… Matthew 27:26
            224. Isaiah 50:6b…He was smitten on the cheeks… Matthew 26:67
            225. Isaiah 50:6c…He was spat upon… Matthew 27:30
            226. Isaiah 52:4-5…Suffered vicariously…Mark 15:3,4,27,28; Luke 23:1-25,32-34
            227. Isaiah 52:7…To publish good tidings of peace… Luke 4:14,15
            228. Isaiah 52:13…The Servant exalted…Acts 1:8-11; Ephesians 1:19-22
            229. Isaiah 52:13…Behold, My Servant… Matthew 17:5; Phil. 2:5-8
            230. Isaiah 52:14…The Servant shockingly abused… Luke 18:31-34; Matthew 26:67,68
            231. Isaiah 52:15…Nations startled by message of the Servant… Romans. 15:18-21
            232. Isaiah 52:15…His blood shed to make atonement for all… Rev. 1:5
            233. Isaiah 53:1…His people would not believe Him… John 12:37-38
            234. Isaiah 53:2a…He would grow up in a poor family…. Luke 2:7
            235. Isaiah 53:2b…Appearance of an ordinary man… Phil. 2:7-8
            236. Isaiah 53:3a…Despised…. Luke 4:28-29
            237. Isaiah 53:3b…Rejected… Matthew 27:21-23
            238. Isaiah 53:3c…Great sorrow and grief… Luke 19:41-42
            239. Isaiah 53:3d…Men hide from being associated with Him… Mark 14:50-52
            240. Isaiah 53:4a…He would have a healing ministry… Luke 6:17-19
            241. Isaiah 53:4b…He would bear the sins of the world… 1 Pet. 2:24
            242. Isaiah 53:4c…Thought to be cursed by God… Matthew 27:41-43
            243. Isaiah 53:5a…Bears penalty for mankind’s transgressions… Luke 23:33
            244. Isaiah 53:5b…His sacrifice would provide peace between man and God… Col. 1:20
            245. Isaiah 53:5c…His back would be whipped… Matthew 27:26
            246. Isaiah 53:6a…He would be the sin-bearer for all mankind…Galatians 1:4
            247. Isaiah 53:6b…God’s will that He bear sin for all mankind… 1 John 4:10
            248. Isaiah 53:7a…Oppressed and afflicted… Matthew 27:27-31
            249. Isaiah 53:7b…Silent before his accusers… Matthew 27:12-14
            250. Isaiah 53:7c…Sacrificial lamb… John 1:29
            251. Isaiah 53:8a…Confined and persecuted… Matthew 26:47-27:31
            252. Isaiah 53:8b…He would be judged… John 18:13-22
            253. Isaiah 53:8c…Killed…. Matthew 27:35
            254. Isaiah 53:8d…Dies for the sins of the world… 1 John 2:2
            255. Isaiah 53:9a…Buried in a rich man’s grave… Matthew 27:57
            256. Isaiah 53:9b…Innocent and had done no violence… Mark 15:3
            257. Isaiah 53:9c…No deceit in his mouth… John 18:38
            258. Isaiah 53:10a…God’s will that He die for mankind… John 18:11
            259. Isaiah 53:10b…An offering for sin… Matthew 20:28
            260. Isaiah 53:10c…Resurrected and live forever…. Mark 16:16
            261. Isaiah 53:10d…He would prosper… John 17:1-5
            262. Isaiah 53:11a…God fully satisfied with His suffering… John 12:27
            263. Isaiah 53:11b…God’s servant… Romans. 5:18-19
            264. Isaiah 53:11c…He would justify man before God… Romans. 5:8-9
            265. Isaiah 53:11d…The sin-bearer for all mankind… Hebrews 9:28
            266. Isaiah 53:12a…Exalted by God because of his sacrifice… Matthew 28:18
            267. Isaiah 53:12b…He would give up his life to save mankind… Luke 23:46
            268. Isaiah 53:12c…Grouped with criminals… Luke 23:32
            269. Isaiah 53:12d…Sin-bearer for all mankind… 2 Corinthians 5:21
            270. Isaiah 53:12e…Intercede to God in behalf of mankind… Luke 23:34
            271. Isaiah 55:1…Every one come who is thirsty…New Testament
            272. Isaiah 55:3…Resurrected by God… Acts 13:34
            273. Isaiah 55:4…A witness… John 18:37
            274. Isaiah 55:5…Foreign nations come to God…Acts
            275. Isaiah 59:15-16a…He would come to provide salvation… John 6:40
            276. Isaiah 59:15-16b…Intercessor between man and God… Matthew 10:32
            277. Isaiah 59:20…He would come to Zion as their Redeemer… Luke 2:38
            278. Isaiah 60:1-3…Nations walk in the light…Luke 2:32
            279. Isaiah 61:1-2a…The Spirit of God upon him… Matthew 3:16-17
            280. Isaiah 61:1-2b…The Messiah would preach the good news… Luke 4:17-21
            281. Isaiah 61:1-2c…Provide freedom from the bondage of sin and death… John 8:31-32
            282. Isaiah 61:1-2…Proclaim a period of grace… John 5:24
            283. Isaiah 62:1-2…Called by an new name…Luke 2:32, Revelation 3:12
            284. Isaiah 62:11…Thy King Cometh, Entered Jerusalem on Colt…Matthew 21:7
            285. Isaiah 63:1-3…A vesture dipped in blood…Revelation 19:13
            286. Isaiah 63:8,9…Afflicted with the afflicted…Matthew 25:34-40
            287. Isaiah 65:9…The elect shall inherit…Romans 11 5-7, Hebrews 7:14, Revelation 5:5
            288. Isaiah 65:17-25…New heaven/New Earth…2 Peter 3:13, Revelation 21:1
            289. Isaiah 66:18-19…All nations come to God…New Testament

          • Nogods

            When do you think the gospels were written?

          • GibbyD

            290. Jeremiah23:5-6a…Descendant of David…Luke 3:23-31
            291. Jeremiah 23:5-6b…The Messiah would be God… John 13:13
            292. Jeremiah 23:5-6c…The Messiah would be both God and Man… 1 Tim. 3:16
            293. Jeremiah 30:9…Born a King…John 18:37, Revelation 1:5
            294. Jeremiah 31:15…Massacre of infants…Matthew 2:16-18
            295. Jeremiah 31:22…Born of a virgin… Matthew 1:18-20
            296. Jeremiah 31:31…The Messiah would be the new covenant… Matthew 26:28
            297. Jeremiah 33:14-15…Descendant of David… Luke 3:23-31
            298. Ezekiel17:22-24…Descendant of David… Luke 3:23-31
            299. Ezekiel 21:26,27…The humble exalted…Luke 1:52
            300. Ezekiel34:23-24…Descendant of David… Matthew 1:1
            301. Daniel 2:34-35…Stone cut without hands…Acts 4:10-12
            302. Daniel 2:44,45…His Kingdom Triumphant…Luke 1:33, 1 Corinthians 15:24, Revelation 11:15
            303. Dan. 7:13-14a…He would ascend into heaven… Acts 1:9-11
            304. Dan. 7:13-14b…Highly exalted… Ephesians 1:20-22
            305. Dan. 7:13-14c…His dominion would be everlasting… Luke 1:31-33
            306. Daniel 7:27…Kingdom for the Saints…Luke 1:33, 1 Corinthians 15:24, Revelation 11:15
            307. Dan. 9:24a…To make an end to sins… Galatians 1:3-5
            308. Dan. 9:24b…He would be holy… Luke 1:35
            309. Dan. 9:25…Announced to his people 483 years, to the exact day, after the decree to rebuild the city of Jerusalem… John 12:12-13
            310. Dan. 9:26a…Killed… Matthew 27:35
            311. Dan. 9:26b…Die for the sins of the world… Hebrews 2:9
            312. Dan. 9:26c…Killed before the destruction of the temple… Matthew 27:50-51
            313. Dan. 10:5-6…Messiah in a glorified state… Rev. 1:13-16
            314. Hosea 3:5…Israel restored…John 18:37, Romans 11:25-27
            315. Hosea 11:1, Numbers 24:8…Flight to Egypt…Matthew 2:14
            316. Hosea 13:14…He would defeat death… 1 Corinthians 15:55-57
            317. Joel 2:28-32…Promise of the Spirit…Acts 2:17-21, Romans 10:13
            318. Joel 2:32…Offer salvation to all mankind… Romans. 10:12-13

          • Nogods

            And the gospels were written when….?

          • GibbyD

            319. Micah 2:12-13…Israel Regathered…John 10:14,26
            320. Micah 4:1-8…The Kingdom established – place of Birth Bethlehem…Luke 1:33, Matthew 2:1, Luke 2:4,10,11
            321. Micah 5:2a…Born in Bethlehem… Matthew 2:1-2
            322. Micah 5:2b…God’s servant… John 15:10
            323. Micah 5:2c…from everlasting… John 8:58
            324. Haggai 2:6-9…He would visit the second Temple… Luke 2:27-32
            325. Haggai 2:23…Descendant of Zerubbabel… Luke 3:23-27
            326. Joel 2:28-32…Promise of the Spirit…Acts 2:17-21, Romans 10:13
            327. Amos 8:9…The Sun Darkened…Matthew 24:29, Acts 2:20, Revelation 6:12
            328. Amos 9:11-12…Restoration of tabernacle…Acts 14:16-18
            329. Habakkuk 2:14…Earth filled with knowledge of the glory of the Lord…Romans 11:26, Revelation 21:23-26
            330. Zechariah 2:10-13…The Lamb on the Throne…Revelation 5:13, 6:9, 21:24
            331. Zechariah 3:8…God’s servant… John 17:4
            332. Zechariah 6:12-13…Priest and King… Hebrews 8:1
            333. Zechariah 9:9a…Greeted with rejoicing in Jerusalem… Matthew 21:8-10
            334. Zechariah 9:9b…Beheld as King… John 12:12-13
            335. Zechariah 9:9c…The Messiah would be just… John 5:30
            336. Zechariah 9:9d…The Messiah would bring salvation… Luke 19:10
            337. Zechariah 9:9e…The Messiah would be humble… Matthew 11:29
            338. Zechariah 9:9f…Presented to Jerusalem riding on a donkey… Matthew 21:6-9
            339. Zechariah 10:4…The cornerstone… Ephesians 2:20
            340. Zechariah 11:4-6a…At His coming, Israel to have unfit leaders… Matthew 23:1-4
            341. Zechariah 11:4-6b…Rejection causes God to remove His protection.. Luke 19:41-44
            342. Zechariah 11:4-6c…Rejected in favor of another king… John 19:13-15
            343. Zechariah 11:7…Ministry to “poor,” the believing remnant… Matthew 9:35-36
            344. Zechariah 11:8a…Unbelief forces Messiah to reject them… Matthew 23:33
            345. Zechariah 11:8b…Despised… Matthew 27:20
            346. Zechariah 11:9…Stops ministering to the those who rejected Him… Matthew 13:10-11
            347. Zechariah 11:10-11a…Rejection causes God to remove protection… Luke 19:41-44
            348. Zechariah 11:10-11b…The Messiah would be God… John 14:7
            349. Zechariah 11:12-13a…Betrayed for thirty pieces of silver… Matthew 26:14-15
            350. Zechariah 11:12-13b…Rejected… Matthew 26:14-15
            351. Zechariah 11:12-13c…Thirty pieces of silver thrown into the house of the Lord… Matthew 27:3-5
            352. Zechariah 11:12-13d…The Messiah would be God… John 12:45
            353. Zechariah 12:10a…The Messiah’s body would be pierced… John 19:34-37
            354. Zechariah 12:10b…The Messiah would be both God and man… John 10:30
            355. Zechariah 12:10c…The Messiah would be rejected… John 1:11
            356. Zechariah 13:7a…God’s will He die for mankind… John 18:11
            357. Zechariah 13:7b…A violent death… Matthew 27:35
            358. Zechariah 13:7c…Both God and man.. John 14:9
            359. Zechariah 13:7d…Israel scattered as a result of rejecting Him… Matthew 26:31-56
            360. Malachi 3:1a…Messenger to prepare the way for Messiah… Matthew 11:10
            361. Malachi 3:1b…Sudden appearance at the temple… Mark 11:15-16
            362. Malachi 3:1c…Messenger of the new covenant… Luke 4:43
            363. Malachi 3:3…Our Sins Are Purged…Luke 1:78, John 1:9; 12:46, 2 Peter 1:19, Revelation 2:28; 19:11-16; 22:16
            364. Malachi 4:5…Forerunner in the spirit of Elijah… Matthew 3:1-2
            365. Malachi 4:6…Forerunner would turn many to righteousness… Luke 1:16-17

            And for leap year, you can have Psalm 21 as a Messianic Hymn and David’s praise.

          • Nogods

            Gospels… Date written?

          • GibbyD

            Dating the Gospels is very important. If it can be established that the Gospels were written early, say before the year A.D. 70, then we would have good reason for believing that they were written by the disciples of Jesus Himself. If they were written by the disciples, then their reliability, authenticity, and accuracy are better substantiated. Also, if they were written early, this would mean that there would not have been enough time for myth to creep into the Gospel accounts since it was the eyewitnesses to Christ’s life that wrote them. Furthermore, those who were alive at the time of the events could have countered the Gospel accounts; and since we have no contradictory writings to the Gospels, their early authorship as well as apostolic authorship becomes even more critical.

            Destruction of the temple in A.D. 70, Luke and Acts

            None of the Gospels mention the destruction of the Jewish temple in A.D. 70. This is significant because Jesus had prophesied concerning the temple when He said “As for these things which you are looking at, the days will come in which there will not be left one stone upon another which will not be torn down.” (Luke 21:6, see also Matt. 24:1; Mark 13:1). This prophecy was fulfilled in A.D. 70 when the Romans sacked Jerusalem and burned the temple. The gold in the temple melted down between the stone walls; and the Romans took the walls apart, stone by stone, to get the gold. Such an obvious fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy most likely would have been recorded as such by the Gospel writers who were fond of mentioning fulfillment of prophecy if they had been written after A.D. 70. Also, if the Gospels were fabrications of mythical events, then anything to bolster the Messianic claims–such as the destruction of the temple as Jesus said–would surely have been included. But, it was not included suggesting that the Gospels (at least Matthew, Mark, and Luke) were written before A.D. 70.

            Similarly, this argument is important when we consider the dating of the Book of Acts which was written after the Gospel of Luke and by Luke himself. Acts is a history of the Christian church right after Jesus’ ascension. Acts also fails to mention the incredibly significant events of A.D. 70, which would have been extremely relevant and prophetically important and would require inclusion into Acts had it occurred before Acts was written. Remember, Acts is a book of history concerning the Christians and the Jews. The fact that the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple is not recorded is very strong evidence that Acts was written before A.D. 70. We add to this the fact that Acts does not include the accounts of “Nero’s persecution of the Christians in A.D. 64 or the deaths of [the apostle] James (A.D. 62), Paul (A.D. 64), and Peter (A.D. 65),”1 and we have further evidence that it was written early.

            If we look at Acts 1:1-2 it says, “The first account I composed, Theophilus, about all that Jesus began to do and teach, until the day when He was taken up, after He had by the Holy Spirit given orders to the apostles whom He had chosen.” Most scholars affirm that Acts was written by Luke and that Theophilus (Grk. “lover of God”) “may have been Luke’s patron who financed the writing of Luke and Acts.”2This means that the Gospel of Luke was written before Acts.

            “At the earliest, Acts cannot have been written prior to the latest firm chronological marker recorded in the book–Festus’s appointment as procurator (24:27), which, on the basis of independent sources, appears to have occurred between A.D. 55 and 59.”3

            “It is increasingly admitted that the Logia [Q] was very early, before A.D.50, and Mark likewise if Luke wrote the Acts while Paul was still alive. Luke’s Gospel comes (Acts 1:1) before the Acts. The date of Acts is still in dispute, but the early date (about A.D. 63) is gaining support constantly.”4

            For clarity, Q is supposedly one of the source documents used by both Matthew and Luke in writing their Gospels. If Q actually existed, then that would push the first writings of Christ’s words and deeds back even further lessening the available time for myth to creep in and adding to the validity and accuracy of the Gospel accounts. If what is said of Acts is true, this would mean that Luke was written at least before A.D. 63 and possibly before 55-59 since Acts is the second in the series of writings by Luke. This means that the Gospel of Luke was written within 30 years of Jesus’ death.

            Matthew

            The early church unanimously held that the Gospel of Matthew was the first written Gospel and was penned by the apostle of the same name (Matt. 10:2-4). Lately, the priority of Matthew as the first written Gospel has come under suspicion with Mark being considered by many to be the first written Gospel. The debate is far from over.

            The historian Papias mentions that the Gospel of Matthew was originally in Aramaic or Hebrew and attributes the Gospel to Matthew the apostle.5

            “Irenaeus (ca. A.D. 180) continued Papias’s views about Matthew and Mark and added his belief that Luke, the follower of Paul, put down in a book the gospel preached by that apostle, and that John, the Beloved Disciple, published his Gospel while residing in Asia. By the time of Irenaeus, Acts was also linked with Luke, the companion of Paul.”6

            This would mean that if Matthew did write in Aramaic originally, he may have used Mark as a map, adding and clarifying certain events as he remembered them. But, this is not known for sure.

            The earliest quotation of Matthew is found in Ignatius who died around A.D. 115 A.D. Therefore, Matthew was in circulation well before Ignatius came on the scene. The various dates most widely held as possible writing dates of the Gospel are between A.D. 40-140. But Ignatius died around A.D. 115, and he quoted Matthew. Therefore Matthew had to be written before he died. Nevertheless, it is generally believed that Matthew was written before A.D. 70 and as early as A.D. 50.

            Mark

            Mark was not an eyewitness to the events of Jesus’ life. He was a disciple of Peter and undoubtedly it was Peter who informed Mark of the life of Christ and guided him in writing the Gospel known by his name. “Papias claimed that Mark, the Evangelist, who had never heard Christ, was the interpreter of Peter, and that he carefully gave an account of everything he remembered from the preaching of Peter.”7 Generally, Mark is said to be the earliest Gospel with an authorship of between A.D. 55 to A.D. 70.

            Luke

            Luke was not an eyewitness of the life of Christ. He was a companion of Paul who also was not an eyewitness of Christ’s life. But, both had ample opportunity to meet the disciples who knew Christ and learn the facts not only from them but also from others in the area. Some might consider this damaging to the validity of the Gospel but quite the contrary. Luke was a gentile convert to Christianity who was interested in the facts. He obviously had interviewed the eyewitnesses and written the Gospel account as well as Acts.

            “The first account I composed, Theophilus, about all that Jesus began to do and teach, until the day when He was taken up, after He had by the Holy Spirit given orders to the apostles whom He had chosen. To these He also presented Himself alive, after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days, and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God.” (Acts 1:1-3).

            Notice how Luke speaks of “them,” of those who had personal encounters with Christ. Luke is simply recounting the events from the disciples. Since Luke agrees with Matthew, Mark, and John and since there is no contradictory information coming from any of the disciples stating that Luke was inaccurate and since Luke has proven to be a very accurate historian, we can conclude that Luke’s account is very accurate.

            As far as dating the Gospel goes, Luke was written before the book of Acts and Acts does not mention “Nero’s persecution of the Christians in A.D. 64 or the deaths of James (A.D. 62), Paul (A.D. 64), and Peter (A.D. 65).”8 Therefore, we can conclude that Luke was written before A.D. 62. “Luke’s Gospel comes (Acts 1:1) before the Acts. The date of Acts is still in dispute, but the early date (about A.D. 63) is gaining support constantly.”9

            John

            The writer of the Gospel of John was obviously an eyewitness of the events of Christ’s life since he speaks from a perspective of having been there during many of the events of Jesus’ ministry and displays a good knowledge of Israeli geography and customs.

            The John Rylands papyrus fragment 52 of John’s Gospel dated in the year 135 contains portions of John 18, verses 31-33, 37-38. This fragment was found in Egypt, and a considerable amount of time is needed for the circulation of the Gospel before it reached Egypt. It is the last of the Gospels and appears to have been written in the 80’s to 90’s.

            Of important note is the lack of mention of the destruction of the Jewish temple in A.D. 70. But this is understandable since John was not focusing on historical events. Instead, he focused on the theological aspect of the person of Christ and listed His miracles and words that affirmed Christ’s deity.

            Though there is still some debate on the dates of when the Gospels were written, they were most assuredly completed before the close of the first century and written by eyewitnesses or under the direction of eyewitnesses.

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            1.McDowell, Josh, A Ready Defense, Thomas Nelson Publishers; Nashville, Tenn., 1993, p. 80. The James spoken of here is not James the brother of John who was recorded as being executed in Acts 12:1-2. Rather, it is the James spoken of in Acts 15:13ff who is also mention in Gal. 1:19 as an apostle, the Lord’s brother.

            2.Walvoord, John F., and Zuck, Roy B., The Bible Knowledge Commentary, (Wheaton, Illinois: Scripture Press Publications, Inc.) 1983, 1985.

            3.Mays, James Luther, Ph.D., Editor, Harper’s Bible Commentary, (New York: Harper and Row, Publishers, Inc.) 1988.

            4.Robertson, A.T., A Harmony of the Gospels, Harper & Row; New York 1950. pp. 255-256.

            5.Douglas, J. D., Comfort, Philip W. & Mitchell, Donald, Editors, Who’s Who in Christian History, Wheaton, Illinois: Tyndale House Publishers, Inc.; 1992.

            6.Achtemeier, Paul J., Th.D., Harper’s Bible Dictionary, (San Francisco: Harper and Row, Publishers, Inc.; 1985).

            7.Douglas, J. D., Comfort, Philip W. & Mitchell, Donald, Editors, Who’s Who in Christian History, Wheaton, Illinois: Tyndale House Publishers, Inc.; 1992.

            8.McDowell, 80.

            9.Robertson, 255-256.

          • Nogods

            I am glad to see you admit that the gospels were written at least 30 to 90 years after jesus was dead – just as I said. So do you think that the writers of the gospels (they were written anomously as no names are attached to any of the earliest transcripts) might have incorporated the old testiment into the gospels?

          • GibbyD

            The summation from the previous post gives several church positions but then states that the Gospels were written by the stated Gospel writers in those books . For instance Luke wrote the book of Luke besides Then Acts of the Apostles .—“As far as dating the Gospel goes, Luke was written before the book of Acts and Acts does not mention “Nero’s persecution of the Christians in A.D. 64 or the deaths of James (A.D. 62), Paul (A.D. 64), and Peter (A.D. 65).”8 Therefore, we can conclude that Luke was written before A.D. 62. “Luke’s Gospel comes (Acts 1:1) before the Acts. The date of Acts is still in dispute, but the early date (about A.D. 63) is gaining support constantly.”. There is no reason to believe that the gospels were not written even earlier as those books would suggest.

          • Nogods

            Why don’t any religious scholars think that the gospels were written by the named authors?

          • GibbyD

            NOT TRUE !!! Many believe that they were and even the earliest historians and church believed it .

            I guess you did not read what I copied and posted earlier .

            None of the gospels mention the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70 A.D. This is significant because Jesus had prophesied its destruction when He said, “As for these things which you are looking at, the days will come in which there will not be left one stone upon another which will not be torn down,” (Luke 21:6, see also Matt. 24:1; Mark 13:1). This prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D. when the Romans sacked Jerusalem and burned the Temple. The gold in the Temple melted down between the stone walls and the Romans took the walls apart, stone by stone, to get the melted gold. Such an obvious fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy most likely would have been recorded by the gospel writers if they had been written after 70 A.D. Also, if the gospels were fabrications of mythical events then anything to bolster the Messianic claims — such as the destruction of the temple as Jesus prophesied — would surely have been included. But, it was not included suggesting that the gospels (at least Matthew, Mark, and Luke) were written before 70 A.D.

            Similarly, this argument is important when we consider the dating of the book of Acts which was written after the gospel of Luke by Luke himself. Acts is a history of the Christian church right after Jesus’ ascension. Acts also fails to mention the incredibly significant events of 70 A.D. which would have been extremely relevant and prophetically important and naturally would have garnered inclusion into Acts had it occurred before Acts was written. Remember, Acts is a book of the history of the early Christian church. The fact that the incredibly significant destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple is not recorded is very strong evidence that Acts was written before A.D. 70. If we add to this the fact that Acts does not include the accounts of “Nero’s persecution of the Christians in A.D. 64 or the deaths of James (A.D. 62), Paul (A.D. 64), and Peter (A.D. 65),”1 and we have further evidence that it was written very early and not long after Jesus’ ascension into heaven.

            If we look at Acts 1:1-2 it says, “The first account I composed, Theophilus, about all that Jesus began to do and teach, 2 until the day when He was taken up, after He had by the Holy Spirit given orders to the apostles whom He had chosen.” Most scholars affirm that Acts was written by Luke and that Theophilus (Grk. “lover of God”) “may have been Luke’s patron who financed the writing of Luke and Acts.”2This means that the gospel of Luke was written before Acts.

            “At the earliest, Acts cannot have been written prior to the latest firm chronological marker recorded in the book—Festus’s appointment as procurator (24:27), which, on the basis of independent sources, appears to have occurred between A.D. 55 and 59.”3

            “It is increasingly admitted that the Logia [Q] was very early, before 50 A.D., and Mark likewise if Luke wrote the Acts while Paul was still alive. Luke’s Gospel comes before the Acts (Acts 1:1). The date of Acts is still in dispute, but the early date (about A.D. 63) is gaining support constantly.”4

            For clarity, Q is supposedly one of the source documents used by both Matthew and Luke in writing their gospels. If Q actually existed then that would push the first writings of Christ’s words and deeds back even further lessening the available time for myth to creep in and adding to the validity and accuracy of the gospel accounts. If what is said of Acts is true, this would mean that Luke was written at least before A.D. 63 and possibly before 55 – 59 since Acts is the second in the series of writings by Luke. This means that the gospel of Luke was written within 30 years of Jesus’ death.

            Matthew

            The early church unanimously held that the gospel of Matthew was the first written gospel and was penned by the apostle of the same name (Matt. 10:2-4). Lately, the priority of Matthew as the first written gospel has come under suspicion with Mark being considered by many to be the first written gospel. The debate is far from over.

            The historian Papias mentions that the gospel of Matthew was originally in Aramaic or Hebrew and attributes the gospel to Matthew the apostle.5

            “Irenaeus (ca. a.d. 180) continued Papias’s views about Matthew and Mark and added his belief that Luke, the follower of Paul, put down in a book the gospel preached by that apostle, and that John, the Beloved Disciple, published his Gospel while residing in Asia. By the time of Irenaeus, Acts was also linked with Luke, the companion of Paul.”6

            This would mean that if Matthew did write in Aramaic originally, that he may have used Mark as a map, adding and clarifying certain events as he remembered them. But, this is not known for sure.

            The earliest quotation of Matthew is found in Ignatius who died around 115 A.D. Therefore, Matthew was in circulation well before Ignatius came on the scene. The various dates most widely held as possible writing dates of the Gospel are between A.D. 40 – 140. But Ignatius died around 115 A.D. and he quoted Matthew. Therefore Matthew had to be written before he died. Nevertheless, it is generally believed that Matthew was written before A.D. 70 and as early as A.D. 50.

            Mark

            Mark was not an eyewitness to the events of Jesus’ life. He was a disciple of Peter and undoubtedly it was Peter who informed Mark of the life of Christ and guided him in writing the Gospel known by his name. “Papias claimed that Mark, the Evangelist, who had never heard Christ, was the interpreter of Peter, and that he carefully gave an account of everything he remembered from the preaching of Peter.”7 Generally, Mark is said to be the earliest gospel with an authorship of between A.D. 55 to A.D. 70.

            Luke

            Luke was not an eyewitness of the life of Christ. He was a companion of Paul who also was not an eyewitness of Christ’s life. But, both had ample opportunity to meet the disciples who knew Christ and learn the facts not only from them, but from others in the area. Some might consider this damaging to the validity of the gospel, but quite the contrary. Luke was a gentile convert to Christianity who was interested in the facts. He obviously had interviewed the eyewitnesses and written the Gospel account as well as Acts.

            “The first account I composed, Theophilus, about all that Jesus began to do and teach, 2 until the day when He was taken up, after He had by the Holy Spirit given orders to the apostles whom He had chosen. 3 To these He also presented Himself alive, after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days, and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God,” (Acts 1:1-3).

            Notice how Luke speaks of “them,” of those who had personal encounters with Christ. Luke is simply recounting the events from the disciples. Since Luke agrees with Matthew, Mark, and John and since there is no contradictory information coming from any of the disciples stating that Luke was inaccurate, and since Luke has proven to be a very accurate historian, we can conclude that Luke’s account is very accurate.

            As far as dating the gospel goes, Luke was written before the book of Acts and Acts does not mention “Nero’s persecution of the Christians in A.D. 64 or the deaths of James (A.D. 62), Paul (A.D. 64), and Peter (A.D. 65).”8 Therefore, we can conclude that Luke was written before A.D. 62. “Luke’s Gospel comes (Acts 1:1) before the Acts. The date of Acts is still in dispute, but the early date (about A.D. 63) is gaining support constantly.”9

            John

            The writer of the gospel of John was obviously an eyewitness of the events of Christ’s life since he speaks from a perspective of having been there during many of the events of Jesus’ ministry and displays a good knowledge of Israeli geography and customs.

            The John Rylands papyrus fragment 52 of John’s gospel dated in the year 125-135 contains portions of John 18, verses 31-33,37-38. This fragment was found in Egypt. It is the last of the gospels and appears to have been written in the 80’s to 90’s. Most scholars say it was written in the early 90’s. This means that the time span between the original writing of John and its earliest copy (fragment) is approximately 35-45 years.

            John does not mention the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70 A.D. Some say this is because John was not focusing on historical events. Instead, John focused on the theological aspect of the person of Christ and listed His miracles and words that affirmed Christ’s deity. This is a possibiltiy, but like the reasoning used regarding Matthew, Mark, and Luke, the lack of significant historical markers is also evidence that it was written early on.

            Though there is still some debate on the dates of when the gospels were written, they were most assuredly completed before the close of the first century and written by eyewitnesses or under the direction of eyewitnesses.

          • Nogods

            It isn’t hard to write prophecy when you are just recording history. You are still admitting that the gospels were written at least 35 – 40 years AFTER Jesus was dead.

            Why do you ignore all of the “prophecies” that never came true?

          • GibbyD

            No man , group of men even using all the modern technology of today could create a story that contained and matched all the Bible prophecies to be met in the person of The LORD Jesus Christ . Jesus is real nogods, you have to face Him someday . You can either face Him as your LORD and Saviour and enjoy everlasting and abundant life and love, or you can meet Him as your Judge as he tells you to depart . From there you will fulfill a future prophecy of being thrown into The Lake of Fire. The ONLY prophecies that are not fulfilled are the ones that are future. With the 100% track record the Bible has concerning prophecy so far, I would be concerned if I were you.

            “And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:11-15)KJB

          • Nogods

            There are thousands of other gods you could worship but choose to reject. But your rejection of these other gods comes at a cost: all of these other gods intend to punish you when you are dead. So tell me how concerned you are about their impending wrath? Because that is the EXACT same level of concern I have about the impending wrath of your god. Pretty laughable isn’t it?

            Isn’t it odd to think that there are an infinite variety of things the christian god could do that would immediately and unequivocally convince everyone of his existence. Yet, he chooses to not do any of them. Do you think it is because he is identical to all the other gods we now regard as mythology?

          • GibbyD

            They recorded the events as they happened inspired by God to write them and without purposes to deceive . They would not give their lives as most of them did , if the accounts were contrived lies . No man could even possible come up with and piece together so many prophecies into a story . Don’t forget also that the Gospels do not contain all the fulfilled prophecy . 2 Timothy 3;16

          • Nogods

            Contrived lies – or just mistaken beliefs?

            If I were writing another book to add to the bible right now, and I was writing it while reading the bible, how many “prophecies” do you think I could get right in my updated story?

          • GibbyD

            The Bible Is Unique In It’s Composition.
            Written over a 1,500-year span.
            Written over 40 generations.
            Written by over 40 authors from every walk of life including kings, peasants, philosophers, fishermen, poets, statesmen, scholars, etc.:
            Moses, a political leader, trained in the universities of Egypt
            Peter, a fisherman
            Amos, a herdsman
            Joshua, a military general
            Nehemiah, a cupbearer
            Daniel, a prime minister
            Luke, a doctor
            Solomon, a king
            Matthew, a tax collector
            Paul, a rabbi
            Written in different places:
            Moses in the wilderness
            Jeremiah in a dungeon
            Daniel on a hillside and in a palace
            Paul inside prison walls
            Luke while traveling
            John on the isle of Patmos
            Others in the rigors of a military campaign
            Written at different times:
            David in times of war
            Solomon in times of peace
            Written during different moods:
            Some writing from the heights of joy and others writing from the depths of sorrow and despair
            Written on three continents:
            Asia, Africa and Europe
            Written in three languages:
            Hebrew: Was the language of the Old Testament. In 2 Kings 18: 26-28 called the language of Judah.
            In Isaiah 19:18 called “the language of Canaan.”
            Aramaic: Was the “common language” of the Near East until the time of Alexander the Great (6th century B.C. – 4th century B.C.) 32/218
            Greek: New Testament language – was the international language at the time of Christ.
            The Bible was written over a 1,500 year time span by 40 different generations coming from radically different backgrounds and cultures. It was written from different places, at different times, in different languages by
            writers on different continents, yet it contains an unmistakable thread of continuity throughout its pages.

          • Nogods

            Tell me when you think the gospels were written?

          • Joe Soap

            I admire your persistence and I agree with everything you say but as far as I know there isn’t a single date in the Bible. What date was Jesus allegedly born? Don’t know. What date did he die? Don’t know. when did Samson knock down that temple? Or when did Moses lead his people out of Israel? Don’t know.

            Dates are facts that bind events to a verifiable moment in history that cannot be disputed and can be checked. Because of this so you will never find them in a holy book. Facts and religion simply don’t go together.

            Religion needs vagueness. An inability to pin it down is paramount. Otherwise the faithful wouldn’t need faith.

          • Nogods

            I agree with much of what you say. However, with a little investigative work, dates can be determined if the bible references an actual historical event that other corroborating sources can confirm. This method has been used to discredit such stories as the exodus which is universally regarded as pure fiction as nothing in the account is consistent with verified evidence.

          • Joe Soap

            Yeah. But try telling that to them. Made a good movie for Charlton Heston though. Although I could never understand why his hair got longer and whiter. By the end he looked like Santa Clause on steroids.

          • Nogods

            True! Unfortunately, it is difficult to use logic and reason to convince someone that they are wrong when logic and reason wasn’t used to convince them that they were right.

          • GibbyD

            1. Genesis 3:15…..Seed of a woman (virgin birth)…..Luke 1:35, Matthew 1:18-20
            2. Genesis 3:15…..He will bruise Satan’s head…..Hebrews 2:14, 1 John 3:8
            3. Genesis 5:24….The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated….Mark 6:19
            4. Genesis 9:26-27…The God of Shem will be the Son of Shem…Luke 3:36
            5. Genesis 12:3…As Abraham’s seed, will bless all nations…Acts 3:25,26
            6. Genesis 12:7…The The Promise made made to Abraham’s Seed…Galatians 3:16
            7. Genesis 14:18…A priest after Melchizedek…Hebrews 6:20
            8. Genesis 14:18……..A King also……..Hebrews 7:2
            9. Genesis 14:18…The Last Supper foreshadowed…Matthew 26:26-29
            10. Genesis 17:19…….The Seed of Isaac…….Romans. 9:7
            11. Genesis 21:12 …Seed of Isaac…Romans 9:7, Hebrews 11:18
            12. Genesis 22:8…The Lamb of God promised…John 1:29
            13. Genesis 22:18…As Isaac’s seed, will bless all nations…Galatians 3:16
            14. Genesis26:2-5..The Seed of Isaac promised as the Redeemer..Hebrews11:18
            15. Genesis 49:10…The time of His coming…Luke 2:1-7; Galatians 4:4
            16. Genesis 49:10…….The Seed of Judah…….Luke 3:33
            17. Genesis 49:10……Called Shiloh or One Sent……John 17:3
            18. Genesis 49:10…To come before Judah lost identity…John 11:47-52
            19. Genesis 49:10…To Him shall the obedience of the people be…John 10:16
            20. Exodus 3:13,14……..The Great “I Am”…….John 4:26
            21. Exodus 12:5…A Lamb without blemish…1 Pet. 1:19
            22. Exodus 12:13…The blood of the Lamb saves Romans wrath…Romans. 5:8
            23. Exodus 12:21-27…Christ is our Passover…1 Corinthians 5;7
            24. Exodus 12:46…Not a bone of the Lamb to be broken…John 19:31-36
            25. Exodus 13:2…Blessing to first born son…Luke 2:23
            26. Exodus 15:2…His exaltation predicted as Yeshua…Acts 7:55,56
            27. Exodus 15:11…His Character-Holiness…Luke 1:35; Acts 4:27
            28. Exodus 17:6…The Spiritual Rock of Israel…1 Corinthians 10;4
            29. Exodus 33:19…His Character-Merciful…Luke 1:72
            30. Leviticus14:11…The leper cleansed-Sign to priesthood..Luke5:12-14; Acts 6:7
            31. Leviticus16:15-17…Prefigures Christ’s once-for-all death…Hebrews 9:7-14
            32. Leviticus16:27…Suffering outside the Camp…Matthew 27:33; Hebrews 13:11, 12
            33. Leviticus17:11…The Blood-the life of the flesh…Matthew 26;28; Mark 10:45
            34. Leviticus17:11…It is the blood that makes atonement…1 John 3:14-18
            35. Leviticus23:36-37…The Drink-offering: “If any man thirst.” ..John 19:31-36
            36. Numbers 9:12…Not a bone of Him broken…John 19:31-36
            37. Numbers 21:9…The serpent on a pole-Christ lifted up…John 3:14-18
            38. Numbers 24:8… Flight to Egypt…Matthew 2:14
            39. Numbers 24:17…Time: “I shall see him, but not now.”…Galatians 4:4
            40. Numbers 24:17-19…A star out of Jacob…Matthew 2:2, Luke 1:33,78, Revelation 22:16
            41. Deuteronomy 18:15…”This is of a truth that prophet.”…John 6:14
            42. Deuteronomy 18:15-16…”Had ye believed Moses, ye would believe me.”…John 5:45-47
            43. Deuteronomy 18:18…Sent by the Father to speak His word…John 8:28, 29
            44. Deuteronomy 18:19…Whoever will not hear must bear his sin…John 12:15
            45. Deuteronomy 21:13-23…As a prophet…John 6:14; 7:40, Acts 3:22,23
            46. Deuteronomy 21:23…Cursed is he that hangs on a tree…Galatians 3:10-13
            47. Ruth 4:4-9…Christ, our kinsman, has redeemed us…Ephesians 1:3-7
            48. 1 Samuel 2:10…Shall be an anointed King to the Lord…Matthew 28:18; John 12:15
            49. 2 Samuel 7:12…David’s Seed…Matthew 1:1
            50. 2 Samuel 7:14a…The Son of God… Luke 1:32
            51. 2 Samuel 7:16…David’s house established forever…Luke 3:31; Rev. 22:16
            52. 2 Samuel 23:2-4…would be the “Rock”…1 Corinthians 10:4
            53. 2 Samuel 23:2-4…would be as the “light of the morning”…Revelation 22:16
            54. 2 Kings 2:11…The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated…Luke 24:51
            55. 1 Chronicles 17:11…David’s Seed…Matthew 1:1; 9:27
            56. 1 Chronicles 17:12, 13a…To reign on David’s throne forever…Luke 1:32, 33
            57. 1 Chronicles 17:13a…”I will be His Father, He…my Son.”…Hebrews 1:5
            58. Job 19:23-27…The Resurrection predicted…John 5:24-29
            59. Psalms 2:1-3…The enmity of kings foreordained…Acts 4:25-28
            60. Psalms 2:2…To own the title, Anointed (Christ)…Acts 2:36
            61. Psalms 2:6…His Character-Holiness…John 8:46; Rev. 3:7
            62. Psalms 2:6…To own the title King…Matthew 2:2
            63. Psalms 2:7…Declared the Beloved Son…Matthew 3:17
            64. Psalms 2:7, 8…The Crucifixion and Resurrection intimated…Acts 13:29-33
            65. Psalms 2:12…Life comes through faith in Him…John 20:31
            66. Psalms 8:2…The mouths of babes perfect His praise…Matthew 21:16
            67. Psalms 8:5, 6…His humiliation and exaltation…Luke 24:50-53; 1 Corinthians 15:27
            68. Psalms 16:10…Was not to see corruption…Acts 2:31
            69. Psalms 16:9-11…Was to arise from the dead…John 20:9
            70. Psalms 17;15…The resurrection predicted…Luke 24:6
            71. Psalms 22:1…Forsaken because of sins of others…2 Corinthians 5:21
            72. Psalms 22:1…Words spoken from Calvary, “My God…” Mark 15:34
            73. Psalms 22:2…Darkness upon Calvary…Matthew 27:45
            74. Psalms 22:7…They shoot out the lip and shake the head…Matthew 27:39
            75. Psalms 22:8..” He trusted in God, let Him deliver Him “…Matthew 27:43
            76. Psalms 22:9……Born the Savior……Luke 2:7
            77. Psalms 22:14…Died of a broken (ruptured) heart…John 19:34
            78. Psalms 22:14,15…Suffered agony on Calvary…Mark 15:34-37
            79. Psalms 22:15……..He thirsted……..John 19:28
            80. Psalms 22:16…They pierced His hands and His feet….John 19:34,37;20:27
            81. Psalms 22:17,18…Stripped Him before the stares of men…Luke 23:34,35
            82. Psalms 22:18…..They parted His garments…..John 19:23,24
            83. Psalms 22:20,21…He committed Himself to God…Luke23:46
            84. Psalms 22:20,21..Satanic power bruising the Redeemer’s heel.. Hebrews 2:14
            85. Psalms 22:22…..His Resurrection declared…..John 20:17
            86. Psalms 22:27…He shall be the governor of the nations…Col 1:16
            87. Psalms 22:31……”It is finished”……John 19:30
            88. Psalms 23:1….”I am the Good Shepherd”….John 10:11
            89. Psalms 24:3……His exaltation predicted……Acts 1:11; Phil. 2:9
            90. Psalms 27:12…Accused by false witnesses…Matthew 26:60,61, Mark 14:57,58
            91. Psalms 30:3……His resurrection predicted……Acts 2:32
            92. Psalms 31:5…”Into thy hands I commit my spirit”…Luke 23:46
            93. Psalms 31:11…His acquaintances fled from Him…Mark 14:50
            94. Psalms 31:13…They took counsel to put Him to death…John 11:53
            95. Psalms 31:14,15…” He trusted in God, let Him deliver him”…Matthew 27:43
            96. Psalms 34:20…..Not a bone of Him broken…..John 19:31-36
            97. Psalms 35:11….False witnesses rose up against Him….Matthew 26:59
            98. Psalms 35:19…He was hated without a cause…John 15:25
            99. Psalms 38:11…..His friends stood afar off…..Luke 23:49
            100. Psalms 40:2-5…The joy of His resurrection predicted…John 20:20
            101. Psalms 40:6-8….His delight-the will of the Father….John 4:34
            102. Psalms 40:9….He was to preach the Righteousness in Israel….Matthew 4:17
            103. Psalms 40:14…Confronted by adversaries in the Garden…John
            104. Psalms 41:9…..Betrayed by a familiar friend…..John 13:18
            105. Psalms 45:2…Words of Grace come from His lips.. Luke 4:22
            106. Psalms 45:6…To own the title, God or Elohim…Hebrews 1:8
            107. Psalms 45:7…A special anointing by the Holy Spirit…Matthew3:16; Hebrews1:9
            108. Psalms 45:7,8…Called the Christ (Messiah or Anointed)…Luke 2:11
            109. Psalms 49-15…His Resurrection…Acts 2:27; 13:35, Mark 16:6
            110. Psalms 55:12-14…Betrayed by a friend, not an enemy…John 13:18
            111. Psalms 55:15…Unrepentant death of the Betrayer…Matthew 27:3-5; Acts 1:16-19
            112. Psalms 68:18…To give gifts to men…Ephesians 4:7-16
            113. Psalms 68:18…Ascended into Heaven…Luke 24:51
            114. Psalms 69:4…Hated without a cause…John 15:25
            115. Psalms 69:8…A stranger to own brethren…Luke 8;20,21
            116. Psalms 69:9…Zealous for the Lord’s House…John 2:17
            117. Psalms 69:14-20…Messiah’s anguish of soul before crucifixion…Matthew 26:36-45
            118. Psalms 69:20…”My soul is exceeding sorrowful.”…Matthew 26:38
            119. Psalms 69:21…Given vinegar in thirst…Matthew 27:34
            120. Psalms 69:26…The Savior given and smitten by God…John 17:4; 18:11
            121. Psalms 72:10,11…Great persons were to visit Him…Matthew 2:1-11
            122. Psalms 72:16…The corn of wheat to fall into the Ground…John 12:24
            123. Psalms 72:17…His name, Yinon, will produce offspring…John 1:12,13
            124. Psalms 72:17…All nations shall be blessed by Him…Acts 2:11,12,41
            125. Psalms 78:1.2…He would teach in parables…Matthew 13:34-35
            126. Psalms 78:2b…To speak the Wisdom of God with authority…Matthew 7:29
            127. Psalms 88:8…They stood afar off and watched…Luke 23:49
            128. Psalms 89:26…Messiah will call God His Father…Matthew 11:27
            129. Psalms 89:27…Emmanuel to be higher than earthly kings…Luke 1:32,33
            130. Psalms 89:35-37…David’s Seed, throne, kingdom endure forever…Luke 1:32,33
            131. Psalms 89:36-37…His character-Faithfulness…Rev. 1:5
            132. Psalms 90:2…He is from everlasting (Micah 5:2)…John 1:1
            133. Psalms 91:11,12…Identified as Messianic; used to tempt Christ…Luke 4;10,11
            134. Psalms 97:9…His exaltation predicted…Acts 1:11;Ephesians 1:20
            135. Psalms 100:5…His character-Goodness…Matthew 19:16,17
            136. Psalms 102:1-11…The Suffering and Reproach of Calvary…John 21:16-30
            137. Psalms 102:16…Son of Man comes in Glory…Luke 21:24
            Revelation 12:5-10
            138. Psalms 102:25-27…Messiah is the Preexistent Son…Hebrews 1:10-12
            139. Psalms 109:4…Prays for His enemies…Luke 23:34
            140. Psalms 109:7,8…Another to succeed Judas…Acts 1:16-20
            141. Psalms 109:25…Ridiculed…Matthew 27:39
            142. Psalms 110:1…Son of David…Matthew 22:43
            143. Psalms 110:1…To ascend to the right-hand of the Father…Mark16:19
            144. Psalms 110:1…David’s son called Lord…Matthew 22:44,45
            145. Psalms 110:4…A priest after Melchizedek’s order…Hebrews 6:20
            146. Psalms 112:4…His character-Compassionate, Gracious, et al… Matthew 9;36
            147. Psalms 118:17,18…Messiah’s Resurrection assured…Luke 24:5-7;1 Corinthians 15:20
            148. Psalms 118:22,23…The rejected stone is Head of the corner…Matthew 21:42,43
            149. Psalms 118:26a…The Blessed One presented to Israel…Matthew 21:9
            150. Psalms 118:26b…To come while Temple standing…Matthew 21;12-15
            151. Psalms 132:11…The Seed of David (the fruit of His Body)…Luke 1:32
            152. Psalms 138:1-6…The supremacy of David’s Seed amazes kings… Matthew 2:2-6
            153. Psalms 147:3,6…The earthly ministry of Christ described…Luke 4:18
            154. Psalms 1:23…He will send the Spirit of God… John 16;7

          • Nogods

            Isn’t it odd how, if you are reading the jewish bible, while you are writing the christian bible, it is pretty easy to make the new align with the old? Hummmmm….

          • GibbyD

            Not even the most powerful minds using the most sophisticated computers could have done that . And why would anyone die for something that they themselves knew was not true. The fact is that no way could 40 writers from different counties , languages and times , have all conspired together to produce The Gospels , New Testament and whole Bible . There was no motivation and no capability to make this stuff up . The prophecies were made thousands of years ago and ONLY Jesus fulfills all of them. WAKE UP !!!

          • Nogods

            You were just arguing that the gospels were written by 4 people. So according to your math, 4 people read the old testiment while writing the 4 gospels. It really isn’t hard to see how they would have incorporated the old testiment into the new Testiment. And about 90% of Matthew duplicates mark. Much of Luke also duplicates mark. So there was certainly a lot of copying going on.

            Christians often ask, just as you have done, why would the disciples of Jesus sacrificed their lives over a belief they knew was false. But that is simply the wrong question to ask. The disciples of Jesus believed Jesus rose from the dead. But their belief was just wrong. So the disciples of Jesus were willing to sacrifice their lives for a MISTAKEN BELIEF. This happens every day. Just ask ISIS members about that. They think they are fighting for a god that you know isn’t real. You also know that there will be no 72 virgins waiting for them. And just like the followers of Jesus, the members of ISIS are willing to die for a mistaken belief.

          • GibbyD

            You ask is it possible that the gospel writers fabricated details to make it appear that Jesus fulfilled the Messianic passages of the Old Testament? For example, one passage foreshadows that the Messiah’s bones would remain unbroken (see Psalm 34:20), so maybe John invented the story about the Romans breaking the legs of the two thieves being crucified with Jesus and not breaking his legs (see John 19:31–36). Another prophecy talks about Judas’ betrayal for 30 pieces of silver (prophesied in Zechariah 11:12–13 and fulfilled in Matthew 26:15; 27:3–7). Could it be that Matthew played fast and loose with the facts and said, yeah, Judas sold out Jesus for that same amount?

            Pastor Louis Lapides has spent 30 years studying prophecies found within Scripture. He quickly settles these objections: “In God’s wisdom, he created checks and balances both inside and outside the Christian community. When the Gospels were being circulated, there were people living who had been around when all these things happened. Someone would have said to Matthew, ‘You know it didn’t happen that way. We’re trying to communicate a life of righteousness and truth, so don’t taint it with a lie.’”

            Why would Matthew have fabricated fulfilled prophecies and then have been willing to be put to death for following someone who he secretly knew was really not the Messiah? That wouldn’t make any sense. What’s more, the Jewish community would have jumped on any opportunity to discredit the Gospels by pointing out falsehoods. “They would have said, ‘I was there, and Jesus’ bones were broken by the Romans during the crucifixion,’” Lapides says. “And even though the Jewish Talmud refers to Jesus in derogatory ways, it never once makes the claim that the fulfillment of prophecies was falsified. Not one time.”

            How could anyone make up a story they had Jesus fulfill 365 prophecies ? Many are still yet fulfilled by they will be just as the one that already were .

            Now consider Israel and the prophecies concerning it . Are you ready Nogods ?

          • GibbyD

            The Gospel writers did not copy one another. They looked at and recorded the events from four different perspectives and is partly why not everything is recorded in all four Gospels . There are four themes of the Gospels and what is emphasized in each .
            Matthew–Presents Jesus as the Messiah. Genealogy of Jesus through Joseph. Fulfillment of O.T. prophecy.
            Mark–Presents Jesus as the Servant. 1/3 of the gospel deals with the last week of His life.
            Luke–Presents Jesus as the Son of Man to seek and save the lost. Genealogy of Jesus through Mary. Largest of the gospels.
            John–Presents Jesus as God in flesh, the Christ, so that you might believe.

          • Nogods

            Go compare Matthew with mark. Who ever wrote Matthew had a copy of mark in their hands.

  • Amanda Richards

    Being a good person is not a qualifying factor to preaching from a Church pulpit – being a God-lead person is. Ed Young saying that Beck has “shown his love for God in many ways.” is irrelevant because the God of the Christians is not the same god of the Mormons. Beck honours his god, not ours. We believe in the Almighty God who was, and is, and is to come. Mormons believe in a god who was once an ordinary man who lived on another planet before earning his godhood and that there are hundreds of gods who have formed a council of which their god is a member of – sad to know that this is part of their beliefs.
    Despite Paul teaching that we are not to accept any other gospel, even if they or an angel from heaven were to give it, that is exactly what the Mormons did. Lucifer appeared to Joseph Smith as “an angel of light”, gave him another (false) gospel and the Mormons accepted it hook line and sinker. The warning Paul gave just went flying out the window.
    Pastors are supposed to protect their sheep from the wolves, not invite the wolves in for a feast on their flock.

    • Nogods

      Isn’t it strange to think that there are thousands of gods one could think were real. And they all can’t be right. But they all can be wrong.

  • Dave_L

    “And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.” (Luke 4:5–7, KJV 1900)

    Why do Beck and Ed Young want control of what Jesus already turned down?

    “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” (1 John 2:15, KJV 1900)

    “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.” (Romans 12:2, KJV 1900)

    “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.” (James 4:4, KJV 1900)

  • ForMotionCreatv

    Beck is a professional Christian-baiter who’s made millions and built an empire, much from Christians. And there are far better ‘historians’ out there, Beck just gets his info from real historians.

    Yeah no >> “His knowledge of our history and his understanding of our nation is unmatched, and we’re excited to have him here.”

  • Crusader777

    The Holy Spirit to the Churches:
    It is time to arise and shine my
    love, my bride. The time is short before I open the door for my bride to
    come in. Where evil abounds Grace much more abounds. Stop worrying
    about the things of this world and fill your lamps with oil and let them
    shine bright for the world to see.
    My Church, my bride I command to
    wake up from your slumber and unite as one to prepare for my soon
    return. You must arise and shine my love and power into all of the dark
    places and scatter the enemy in every direction. Those who truly believe
    will go forth and in My Name show the world my Word is true with signs
    and wonders and miracles.
    The day to repent and to live a holy life
    has come, be ye Holy as I am Holy. To the leaders of my Church I warn
    you this very day to prepare my people for my soon return. You must stop
    running my Father’s House as a business and truly focus on saving men’s
    souls and uniting my Churches with things in common. Judgement will
    start in my House first and the time is now, leaders pray and repent and
    do what is right in My sight.
    I have lit up the Heaven’s with signs
    and sent my prophets forth to warn people and yet they ignore the things
    that are there for all to see. I will pour out my glory in my house one
    last time to bring in a great harvest and I command those called by my
    name to arise and take a stand for righteousness sake. The time is now
    ARISE MY LOVE!