South African Student Leader Under Investigation for Facebook Comment Opposing ‘Gay Marriage’

PaeCAPE TOWN, South Africa — A college student in South Africa has been removed as acting president of her student council after she posted a comment on her personal Facebook page expressing disapproval over the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling on “gay marriage.”

Zizipho Pae, who had been serving as acting president of the University of Cape Town’s Student Representative Council (SRC) while elected President Ramabina Mahapa was on leave, is now under investigation over her comment on her Facebook page.

“We are institutionalizing and normalizing sin! Sin. May God have mercy on us,” she wrote earlier this month.

Pae said that after she posted the status, those who disagreed began threatening her and posting homosexual pornography on her page. She states that her office was also vandalized, as the Scriptures she had displayed in the room were torn down and replaced with signs that read “Get out of here.”

SRC soon voted to replace Pae as acting president, stating that it supports the “rights of minorities and specifically the gay community.”

While a petition was soon circulated demanding her reinstatement, university officials were quick to note that the student was not ousted from the SRC, but rather only removed from her role as acting president.

“Ms. Pae was serving as the Acting SRC President (of the Vacation Committee) and has been removed only from this acting position; she has not been suspended from her elected position on the SRC‚” Manager of Media and Communication, Patricia Lucas‚ told reporters.

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However, she confirmed that an investigation is being conducted surrounding Pae’s statement.

“The SRC has announced that it is busy conducting an investigation into the Facebook post and SRC members are hoping to conclude this as soon as they are all back in office‚” Lucas stated.

Professor Francis Petersen, Acting Vice-Chancellor, likewise affirmed that Pae’s comments as Acting President are being weighed against the school’s support for homosexual students.

“UCT upholds the right of each individual to exercise freedom of speech and to voice their own opinions in a responsible manner,” he said. “This right, as well as the right to freedom of religion and the human rights of LGBTQI+ people, are constitutional rights.”

“The challenge ahead is for the SRC to consider the controversial Facebook post and the extent to which the role of an elected SRC office bearer ought to balance the expression of personal beliefs with the constitutional rights of the students who are represented by the SRC,” Petersen continued. “It has been UCT’s institutional position for many years‚ for example‚ to recognize the rights of gay people to marry and to enjoy the civil and social privileges that married people enjoy.”

Although some have called for Pae to apologize for her remarks, she has refused to do so.

“Being an SRC member in my view does not mean that you need to abandon your Christian convictions and your faith,” she told the Family Policy Institute in an interview. “Christ in my life comes before all political positions or political thoughts, so I definitely won’t be retracting what I said.”


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  • Oboehner

    They’re not going after religious freedom, no it’s just about “love”.

    • StereoMan

      It’s about staying out of matters involving the state or losing your tax-exempt status.

      • Oboehner

        Well trollboy, do post the section of the Constitution that says the state has any business in the religious institution of marriage.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Rainbows, tolerance, and diversity – that is what they believe in. Yes, it took a lot to write that without laughing so hard that I could not see my keyboard. 🙂

  • All In

    The gay agenda was never just about acceptance, love, and tolerance. It was mostly about suppressing beliefs contrary to homosexuality, and more specifically, suppressing God Himself.

    While they may convince some people and even some lawmakers, God will never be suppressed. In fact, He is the final authority no matter what man thinks or does. There is no escaping His judgement. It will come due the moment after each person’s last breath.

  • Peter Leh

    askin’ ain’t gettin’

  • rondonaghe

    Why do churches get tax breaks to begin with? People, here, this is JUST a question. Don’t read something sinister into my motive for asking.

    • Emmanuel

      Many people give to churches, charitable organizations and they get a tax break. This has been going on for a long time. the rich politicians put this together so they can get tax breaks. This is also why this will not go through, the rich will not allow it.

    • BarkingDawg

      The idea is to enforce the separation of church and state. For example, it prevents a city from unfairly treating an unpopular sect.

  • Emmanuel

    Hey gays, in the name of equality, then all tax exempt organizations should lose their status. If you go after one, they all must lose it. So you are responsible for food banks, homeless shelter and Red Cross for losing their exemption.
    So when you feel like given to some charitable organization, don’t as for a receipt and you will not get a tax break. So you shoot your own foot in the name of LOVE.

    • All In

      Non believers give very little to charity, which speaks volumes about how ‘loving’ they actually are.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        They do give some, but they prefer to have the Nanny State reach into your pockets and give for them. 🙂 And, here is the data to back you up (just take the space out):

        http://winteryknight .com/2014/10/14/statistics-on-whether-atheists-are-more-moral-than-religious-people/

        “The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent). And, consistent with the findings of other writers, these data show that practicing a religion is more important than the actual religion itself in predicting charitable behavior. For example, among those who attend worship services regularly, 92 percent of Protestants give charitably, compared with 91 percent of Catholics, 91 percent of Jews, and 89 percent from other religions.”

  • Derringer Duo

    You stood quiet and you let ONE couple lead the charge.
    And you lost the ability to let your child pray in school if they wanted to.

    You stood quiet and let a handful of people lead the charge.
    And you lost the ability to have the 10 commandments displayed where they had been since the INCEPTION of this country.

    You stood quiet and let the minority bully bakers and pizzerias into bankruptcy because they didn’t want to compromise their personal beliefs.
    And you lost the ability to run a Christian business in a Godly way.

    You stood quiet and let FIVE judges kick down the doors of the church (as well as every other religious institution) and STEAL a RELIGIOUS ceremony and corrupt it before God.

    Will you also stand quiet now? While these wolves seek to go for the jugular? Do you have any idea how many Christian churches, non-profits and schools will collapse if they lose their tax exemption status?

    You stand quiet, and now a few of them, emboldened by all the ways a few of them were able to kick around Christians, are going for the jugular.

    It went from simple prayer in a classroom, to them standing at the door calling for the collapse of your church.

    This isn’t about “love”. This is a bunch of jackboot dictators trying to force their dogma on the opposition or see it destroyed. Tax exemption has nothing to do with these people going to a church, or chapel, or justice of the peace and getting married.

    They are coming for you now.

    What are you going to do about it?

    Someone here said it’s just “two activists”. Two is all it ever took to lose everything you have thus far.

    I promise you, look throughout history, not just Christianity, but across other religions, political belief systems, theologies, etc… Whenever one side got the government to turn on the other, the other was surpressed and persecuted.

    You think it can’t happen in America, but if you don’t do something NOW, preaching the Gospel will be considered giving a terroristic hate speech and you will be thrown in jail for it.

    Seems unrealistic?

    Ask your grandpas if they’d ever see the day that a pastor may have to marry two men on his altar or risk losing his church.

    You better rise.

    • Lark62

      Your child can still pray in school..

      Remember “thou shalt not bear fslse witness.”

      School teachers cannot tell your child, or anyone else’s, when to pray, how to pray, or who to pray to. This is a good thing

      • Weary Warrior

        As long as the child prays silently with eyes open and head unbowed. Even kindergartners have been disciplined for praying over their lunch. Some have had their Bibles confiscated because they wanted to use them in “free reading” time while others were reading trash. Perhaps YOU had better be careful about “bearing false witness.”

        • Lark62

          And every day single one of those examples ends with the teacher getting a lesson about the first amendment.

          (…Except those staged by Starnes for the publicity, where no such teacher can be located. )

          Individual teachers make mistakes. The law is clear.

      • bowie1

        I seem to come across articles in which kids ARE told they can’t do that even in free time.

        • http://sinmantyx.wordpress.com sinmantyx

          That’s not what the law says. They can pray as long as it’s not disruptive or led/required by someone in authority at the school.

          I mean really – a current legal issue is how schools should accommodate students who pray 5 times a day.

          Oddly – often simply giving Muslims students a place to pray at school is met with otherwise “religious freedom” advocates screaming about sharia law.

          While at the same time getting angry that schools aren’t allowed to have Christian sermons during graduation.

          Go figure.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Absolutely eloquent!

  • DNelson

    I disagree with both Salmon and Oppenheimer on this. There is no basis for a church to lose its tax-exempt status simply because its teachings are not compatible with the allowance of same-gender civil marriage.

    Further, their dragging the Bob Jones University decision into the argument is without merit. The issue in that case from because of federal protections regarding race. It had nothing to do with marriage.

    • Angel Jabbins

      We have already discussed what we will do at my tiny church of 50 people, most of whom are not well-to-do. We built our church building from old buildings (donated to us) that we took down and reconstructed and we heat with wood to keep costs down. Should we lose tax exemption, we will sell the building and land, give the proceeds to the missions we support in the Philippines, and then just start meeting in people’s homes. If we had to pay taxes on the land and building, we would be not be able to send very much to missions and our pastor who makes very little already will make even less. (He works part time now painting and roofing to support his family.) But..if it comes to that, we will do what we have to do to keep going and continue to fellowship together. It will just make it harder and will make us feel like second class citizens.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Very wise, and precisely the way in which the early Church gathered – and in which many gather today in countries that are more hostile to Christianity.

      • http://www.smbelow.com Steven

        Yes…good idea in principle…b…u…t…there are already some cities with ordinances that would prevent this.

      • Gail Petersen

        I think this is a wonderful idea. And no, don’t ever think that this would make us feel like second class citizens. We would only be that way to the world. Just think how our Father would think about us. I say if the worldly want this place, let them have it. We will be gathering with the Holy Spirit and no weapon formed against us can harm us. Our gatherings would be filled with light in a dark world.

        • Robin Herms Diamaduros

          “The Son of man has no place to rest His head”…..He was very clear, take up your cross daily and follow me. We have so missed the mark, but He loves us anyway!

      • amused

        and the church will grow by leaps and bounds! anything that is persecuted, grows…. look at history! all of it. The good, the bad and the ugly.

      • Robin Herms Diamaduros

        I believe our Lord never intended for His churches to be million dollar cathedrals….He did most of His preaching outside and in the community. he did teach at the temple and I believe we ought to have modest churhes and if we have funds to build other buildings to house other minstries, then those should be tax exempt. I will say that being a pastor, preacher, ministe or priest is a calling and not a career (many who do not believe preach because they find it a pleasing career with great benefits…but they do not believe. That was in a study I read not too long ago) There is no reason for staff of churches to have new smart phones each year with everything on them paid by the church! WE ARE THE HANDS AND FEET OF CHRIST…GET MOVING TO TELL THE WORLD ABOUT HIM!!!!!

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Excellent point! The Bob Jones policy was absolutely reprehensible, I might add, especially given the number of approved interracial marriages in the Bible. It would seem that the same sort of “Christian” arguing against interracial marriage had ancestors arguing for slavery using the Bible.

      I would see some advantages, however, to all churches losing their tax-exempt status: the abundancy of “wolves” in apostate churches would be uncovered and the pastors might actually start preaching true sermons again. The biggest disadvantage is what the Church does for the poor and vulnerable – truly charitable works – far better than dignity-destroying welfare and other socialist programs.

      That picture of the church above looks almost like Ireland.

      • DNelson

        There are so many churches (and I use that term in general to refer to all religions) that are small/medium size. The burden of taxation on them could well be devastating to them. In addition, many, many, churches and their members perform significant works of charity.

        I does bother me that these mega-churches that seem focused primarily on the wealth of the pastors are able to escape taxation while their leaders live in luxury – but you take the good with the bad sometimes.

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          With very few exceptions, megachurches are the scourge of Christianity.

          • DNelson

            Agreed.

  • http://www.evolutionvsgod.com/ Rich

    So gays, who wanted some tax privileges by being married, now want to hurt others, business from florists and bakeries to churches, make them pay more taxes, and to even close down? What happened to them claiming anyone life-style should be able to flourish and be unhindered out of love? Such hate. Are you churchaphobes? What if they church preaches it is wrong to murder?

  • http://www.evolutionvsgod.com/ Rich

    True signs that homosexuals have total hate for those whose lifestyles are different than theirs. They are churchaphobes, Christianaphobes, and judgement-day-aphobes. What does it matter if someone believes your way of life is wrong? And then you go and say the way of a Christian’s life is wrong? Hypocrites.

    • Angel Jabbins

      Insightful!

    • StereoMan

      If you want to get involved in political matters and you are a church, then you should lose your tax-exempt status. That’s a no-brainer.

      • The Unknown Commenter

        All matters are political, though, so you are simply arguing for people of faith to have no voice in our country. That view is un-American. Tax exemption is a recognition of and encouragement for charitable organizations to keep doing the many good things they do. So you are arguing for those things to be taken over by big government, which is clearly the least efficient way to do those things, so your taxes will increase. There is the real no-brainer. Or maybe you just have something against churches and are allowing that to affect your logical processes.

        • StereoMan

          Your argument isn’t with me. It’s with the law.

        • jennylynn

          I think this guy prefers communism to freedom.

          • jennylynn

            Your argument is with God, law or not. God brings governments up and He tears them down. Pride comes before destruction and a haught spirit before the fall.

          • jennylynn

            That was for stereo man!

          • Doug Williams

            yeah remember that…

          • StereoMan

            No, I just oppose faith-based hatred, bigotry and stupidity.

          • jennylynn

            So If you’re a parent and you tell your child not to run into the street, they might get hit by a car, or not to eat toxic poison because it will kill them you would be considered a hateful bigot who doesn’t want your child to be happy.

            This is your same stupid argument against faith. You call it hatred and bigotry because you don’t understand the holiness of God nor His true love for mankind. Sin isn’t bad because its sin, its sin because its bad, and it destroys you. God who is a loveing father doesn’t want people destroying themselves with sexual sin. The only one who is a bigot is you and it isn’t against us who Love GOD and His holy Word, it is against God who created you, It is against His warnings that warn you to keep you from going to hell. God cannot be in the presence of sin and becaues He is just, He will judge sin or He wouldn’t be God and He wouldn’t be just. Sexual pleasure isn’t worth an eternity in hell. It is better to obey God than follow the lustful desires of your heart!

      • Mr. Avatar

        Let me type slowly here, so you will understand – look up the IRS 501c3 and find out that churches were never required to accept this to be tax exempt. This was a scam by then Senator Johnson who was trying to get church’s out of discussing politics in church, because they had too much influence on politics. In fact any church who has an IRS 510c3 tax status is in violation of the 1st amendment because it lets government in the church.

        • Christian

          Yes, please read the constitution-it’s NOT freedom FROM religion it’s freedom OF religion!

      • Tara

        ‘if you want to get involved in political matters….’ Considering God created marriage, and He’s been around a lot longer than govt and the courts………. It’s more like the other way around; if homosexuals want to get involved in religious matters, which is what marriage is – a religious institution, they should be finding churches that will in fact marry them. To do otherwise, indicates intolerance – and that can’t be right considering all the posturing to the opposite being true. Smh….

        • Kevin

          God created marriage? Okay, let’s go with that. People argue that marriage is one man and one woman. Then please explain Solomon’s (one of God’s favorite) 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3). Are we to believe that while God created marriage, we’ve screwed up his perfect plan by outlawing polygamy but allowing divorce (which God allows but he’s quite strict – Exodus 21:10-11). The New Testament is largely silent on the subject but does mention “a man and a woman becoming one flesh (Matthew 19:4-6 (an argument for no divorce too)) and “a bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife (1 Timothy 3:2)” Some people argue that polygamy is okay if you aren’t a church leader. If it weren’t then why specifically write one wife?

          Lastly, you may believe that marriage is a religious institution but your religion is regarded as a personal choice, a contract (if you will), made between you and your god. Those of us who haven’t made that contract (or have contracted under a different deity) are under no obligation to see things the way you do. Since the government can’t favor or disfavor religion (allowing gay couples to marry (let’s call it secular marriage) doesn’t disfavor religion), it has no choice but to see everyone as having the same protections and rights.

          • Janet

            First of all – context. Look it up. And where do you get that Solomon was a “favorite” of God’s? Solomon’s many wives led him into pagan practices, which God (who loved Solomon’s father, David, because he was a man after God’s heart) certainly did not smile upon!
            Go back and read your Matthew 19 reference…that’s Jesus talking. So…no. The New Testament is NOT largely silent on the issue of marriage. 1 Corinthians 7 is chock full of teachings on all aspects of marriage – and divorce.
            See…if you read the whole of the NT (or the entire Bible, for that matter), you just might understand the purpose of marriage – as God intended it to be and created it for – to begin with: As a picture of God’s relationship with Israel, as well as of Jesus’ relationship to the Church (“Husbands, love your wives as Christ loves the Church and gave Himself up for Her…” Eph 5). Context.
            God doesn’t make anyone believe in Him. His existence does not depend on your acknowledgement of Him, one way or the other. It’s not that He doesn’t care about you…it’s just that He doesn’t NEED you to believe in Him for Him to be Who He is. You have free will – because He gave that to you.
            Given that aspect of God’s nature…isn’t it strange that the LGBT crowd absolutely HAS to have everyone agree with them? If you don’t, you’re a bigot…a racist…and downright un-American. Live and let live? Sure – but only if you believe what THEY believe. They wanted the right to marry. Fine – they got it. Oh, but that’s not enough, is it? They’ve got to dismantle churches and excoriate people of faith, as well.
            I ask you – where is my protection from them? Okay…that’s rhetorical. I don’t want anything promised by the government. They’re fickle. Fortunately for me, my protection & security come from a higher authority than anyone in Washington.

          • jennylynn

            amen!!!

          • Robin Herms Diamaduros

            OK…everyone take a deep breath. Kevin, God did intend for marriage to be one woman & one man. Just because it is recorded in the Bible DOES NOT MEAN IT WAS GOD’S WILL. The Bible has the good, the bad & the ugly of the followers, not just the one’s who stayed within God’s will. So, there is sin in the Bible, most done by the very people God used. That isn’t a mistake, He wants ALL to know Him and to know there is no sin He can’t forget if you REPENT. Divorce is a sin in His eye’s ….we will all give an account for our part, and if you haven’t repented then you have a problem. God never intended for there to be polygamy…that was all the doing of man…on his own (didn’t usually work out for hi either). As for it being a contract…. NO, it is not a contract, it’s a covanant to our Lord. I think the churches ought to get out of the marriage license business (let the states sign off on that) and it just be a religious ceremony for the people of the church. That being said, our biggest complaint is that the LGTB group will try and force a church to adhere to their point of view. Just get your marriage license at the court house and then do whatever it is that you plan on doing…..if you attend church and want a church wedding, fine as long as you meet the requirments of that ceremony ( a lot of hetrosexual couple’s have to look else where because some churches will not perform a wedding for those who have been divorced) do you hear of them going nuts? NO, they just find someone and someplace else. So, if you are a gay couple, find a church who does those. As far as a tax exempt status…..A lot of people are not going to like this, but I believe we ought to let that go…that way we have nothing held over our heads (give unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s). God will take care of HIS church and we carry HIS word out into the world.

          • jennylynn

            Amen! but I believe the money people give to the churches is God’s, it has already been taxed by working Americans and does not belong to the government at all. It is stealing from God to take the people’s hard earned money that they want to Give to the LORD. The government already gets its stealing share from us and then some. Their greed is disgusting.

          • jennylynn

            Just because it’s in the Bible doesn’t mean God condoned it. God warned Solomon not to have more than one wife. You have to understand the Bible is made up of sinful people along with the consequences and how God interacted and used men to fulfill His great plan. Sodom for instance was not condoned but left as an example for those who would repeat the same things, 2 Peter. An example of judgement and a warning of the coming judgement. Etc.

          • Jim H

            Yes, but to David, in 2 Samuel 12:8, he said:

            “I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.”

          • jennylynn

            Context, context, context. God never condones polygamy, He warned against it.

          • Jim H

            That context do you claim that would refute that God gave David Saul’s wives and would have given him more? The only time that I’m aware that the Bible warns polygamy is in Deuteronomy 17:17 and that only warns against “many” wives and applies only to the king.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Solomon sinned against God because of man of his wives.He started to warship false gods . God was not happy about all his wives.Solomon had so much wisdom but became very foolish.He lost much of God’s favor because he sinned through his wives.It was a good thing his dad was David.

        • StereoMan

          Wrong. You can go down to the justice of the peace anytime you want and get married. It doesn’t require religion in any way, shape or form.

          • Tara

            I didn’t say it required religion. I said it was a religious institution. There is a difference.

          • jennylynn

            Yes, but homosexual unions are not marriage, they can’t produce life, but death and disease. Marriage is sacred. Homosexuality is an obamanation inversion to the Lord.
            A certificate means nothing.

          • StereoMan

            They don’t have to produce life to be marriages! Would you say the same thing about the elderly, or people who are infertile? And it’s just ignorant to say they bring disease. Two monogamous gay people are not going to catch STDs any easier than any monogamous straight couple. That’s just disgusting for you to say that.

          • jennylynn

            The elderly don’t produce death and disease. Homosexuals can’t have marriages because they are instituted by God and He does not do gay weddings ever. So what you have is an unholy obamination.

          • StereoMan

            It’s spelled “abomination”, and it ISN’T an abomination, it’s two people in love. Monogamous people whether straight or gay do not produce disease either.

          • jennylynn

            Jude 1:7
            Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire

          • Jim H

            You have yet to show where God instituted marriages or commanded weddings.

          • jennylynn

            This was already answered by someone else in another post. You are a merry go round with the same lame excuses. God knows what going on. You don’t fool Him.

          • Jim H

            They didn’t answer the challenge. Neither have you. You can’t show me, because it simply isn’t there. I’m not trying to fool God (how would that be possible?) and you aren’t fooling me. You just resort to that because you’ve got nothing and are not honest enough to admit it.

          • jennylynn

            And right monogamous, most have multiple partners and carry the HIV virus.

          • StereoMan

            What total absolute hateful garbage. You have no proof and never will because that is utterly false. It’s hate.

          • jennylynn

            No, it is not I know many gays. They go to gay clinics and are on HIV medicine.

          • StereoMan

            You are lying.

          • jennylynn

            No, my daughter is in the hair industry and she brings her gay friends home and knows the inside scoop they tell her.

          • StereoMan

            People get STDs if they sleep around. That goes for gay and straight people alike. If all gay people have multiple sex partners as you say, then why do so many want to get married? Do you think they will sleep with others after marriage?

          • jennylynn

            They really just want the financial benefits, health benefits, tax breaks etc. that marriage affords.
            Even if they are monogamous anals are where feces come out of and that produces disease. As do lesbian relationships produce disease because it is unnatural.

          • StereoMan

            So you are saying straight people don’t engage in anal sex?

            Please tell me some of the diseases monogamous gay AND lesbian people get. Thanks.

          • https://twitter.com/BlissTabitha Tabitha Bliss

            There is an extremely low rate of sexual fidelity among homosexual men as compared to married heterosexuals. Among married females 85% reported sexual fidelity. Among married men, 75.5% reported sexual fidelity. Among homosexual males in a current relationship, 4.5% reported sexual fidelity. (Sources:Laumann, The Social Organization of Sexuality, 216; McWhirter and Mattison, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop (1984): 252-253; Wiederman, “Extramarital Sex,” 170.)

            28% of homosexual men had more than 1000 partners: “Bell and Weinberg reported evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. 83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50 or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners. Bell and Weinberg p 308.”

            79% of homosexual men say over half of sex partners are strangers: “The survey showed 79% of the respondents saying that over half of their sexual partners were strangers. Seventy percent said that over half of their sexual partners were people with whom they had sex only once. Bell and Weinberg pp.308-309.”

            Modal range for homosexual sex partners 101-500: “In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that “the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexuals] was 101–500.” In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had between 501 and 1000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported having had more than 1000 lifetime sexual partners. Paul Van de Ven et al., “A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men,” Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354.”

            1978 study, 78% of gay men had more than 100 partners, 28% more than 1000: “A far-ranging study of homosexual men published in 1978 revealed that 75 percent of self-identified, white, gay men admitted to having sex with more than 100 different males in their lifetime: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250-499; 15 percent claimed 500-999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners. By 1984, after the AIDS epidemic had taken hold, homosexual men were reportedly curtailing promiscuity, but not by much. Instead of more than 6 partners per month in 1982, the average non-monogamous respondent in San Francisco reported having about 4 partners per month in 1984.”

            The book Sex in America: A Definitive Survey, by authors Michael, Gagnon, Laumann, and Kolata, cites a study of homosexual male couples conducted by gay researchers.The couples who participated had been together between 1 and 37 years. Findings were as follows:

            -100% (all) of the couples experienced infidelity in their relationship within the first 5 years.

            -Couples who remained together past the 10-year mark were able to do so only by accepting the painful reality of infidelity in their relationship

            -More than 85 percent of the couples reported that their greatest relationship problems center on issues related to outside relationships.

            NOTE: Data from the Gay/Lesbian Consumer Online Census shows that only 29% of gay/lesbian relationships last more than 7 years.

            A telephone survey conducted for Parade magazine revealed what was described as a “magnum order” of difference in the lifetime rate of infidelity among heterosexual couples, as compared to the rate of infidelity among homosexual couples.

            Based on statistics from this study, which were mention in Parade magazine’s article by M. Clements, entitled “Sex in America Today: A New National Survey Reveals How our Attitudes are Changing,” (Parade, August 7, 1994, pp. 4–6.), researchers concluded, “even “committed” homosexual relationships display a fundamental incapacity for the faithfulness and commitment that is axiomatic to the institution of marriage.”

            In a study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollack found that; “few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners.” Pollack concluded: “Even in those homosexual relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a committed relationship, the meaning of ‘committed’ typically means something radically different than in heterosexual marriage.”

          • http://youtu.be/KcGsWVKtiuM Dr. Johnny Fever

            Those are disgusting statistics. Thanks for posting them Tabitha.

          • Barack’sGotYourBack

            And then there is our first gay president doing his thing to the whole country……

        • Jim H

          Show me where in scripture it specifically says how God instituted or defined marriage, rather than merely referring to it in some way.

          • Tara

            Considering he created female out of a male for him to not go through life alone, that is a pretty good indicator in Genesis. However, there are tons of verses, but Matthew 19:4-6 are good ones:
            4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’
            5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ ?
            6 So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”

            1 Corinthians 7:1-16 is another great passage.

          • Jim H

            I’m familiar with all those passages. But those do not prove that God created the institution of marriage. There were no vows or stipulations between Adam and Eve. Eve was the only game in town and Adam was just happy to be in the game. Of course, with no competition, Adam and Eve were the best looking and most desirable people on Earth.

            Marriage was a civil arrangement in the ancient world often being more of a contract between families to consolidate land and wealth than anything else. It was also a way to unload daughters, so they were someone else’s problem.

            Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (NIV) is a good example of how the Hebrews saw marriage:

            “If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.”
            Lucky girl, huh?j

          • jennylynn

            Well if God clearly states that homosexuality is unnatural and an obamanation and destroyed sodom for it, what do you think God was referring people to marry? Your twisting the obvious.

          • Jim H

            God clearly stated lots of things were abominations, including taking a previous wife back and eating seafood.

            Regarding the people of Sodom, God killed them simply because they were horrible people. Read Ezekiel 16:49-50:

            “Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it.”

            Their abomination could have been opening an ancient version of Red Lobster.

            I was talking about institutional marriage, which is a civil construct. Many of the patriarchs had multiple wives and concubines and God never commented on it either way. He seemed pretty unconcerned about it and it often seemed to be part of his plan.

            A good example is that Jacob had 2 wives, Rachel and Leah (who were sisters, and his first-cousins), and 2 concubines, Bilhah and Zilpah, an apparently common and accepted practice of the day.

            The twelve tribes of Israel were descended from these four women. Jacob didn’t want Leah, but was tricked into marrying her before Rachel who he did. But Leah was the one who gave birth to Judah. it was from Judah that the Jews are descended. Jesus and most Christians in the earliest days of the church, were descended from Judah.

          • jennylynn

            Jim you are confusing the 613 mosaic law with the moral law which is all repeated in the New Testament. The Mosaic law was to protect the Jews from disease and to keep them holy and separate before The Lord. The moral law( the 9 commandments) still remains. Sodom sin was pride and homosexuality as Jude 1 elaborates on. God warns that all sexually immoral with go to the lake of fire. Furthermore the Bible is made up I sinful people and their consequences like sodom. Just because you read about sin doesn’t mean God condoned it.

          • Jim H

            Mosaic Law doesn’t apply?
            “For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”
            —Matthew 5:18

          • jennylynn

            That is referring to the moral law( the 10 commandments)

          • Jim H

            Where does Jesus stipulate that?

          • Christian

            No, we repent of our sins and accept the covering of Jesus Christ who acts as our mediator (attorney if you will) before God (the judge) on our day of judgment (day in court). Our sins are forgiven and we are free!

          • Jim H

            How is that an answer to: “Where does Jesus stipulate that?”

          • jennylynn

            The mosaic law is not repeated in the New Testament to follow only the moral law is. That is what you will be judged by unless you repent.

          • jennylynn

            Well Jim@ you will answer to God on judgement day because you have been warned.

            It is appointed a man once to die and then comes judgement. Hebrews 9:27

          • Jim H

            So will you.

            “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven”
            – Matthew 7:21

            Good luck presumptuous one.

          • jennylynn

            There’s no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:1
            Those who trust in Jesus, trust in His word, and obey Him. Seek Him diligently, not doubt, or question God but, obey His word and they do not conform to the patterns of this world.romans 12:2

          • Jim H

            Again, presumptuous on your part.

          • Jim H

            Nice copying.

          • Christian

            Exactly, it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! God also commanded them to go forth and multiply. Adam and Eve were God’s example of marriage. Homosexuality is unnatural and a misuse of God’s intentional design. Two men can in no way create a biological child together. Just because a man has a hole to put it in doesn’t mean one should. It’s like plugging something into a socket that doesn’t produce the right amount of amps-it might fit in, but it’s not following the intended design of the maker. Man and woman have compatible parts. It’s like plugging something into a wall socket for electricity. Simple

          • Jim H

            So God’s idea of marriage is two stick two people together simply because their parts fit and order them to reproduce? That does sound pretty much like what marriage was like until recent times. The parents picked who their children would marry, often to merge family power and property with little regard for their wishes.

            However, if you actually read what the Bible literally says, which few (even supposed) literalists do, in Genesis 2, God did not start out with a man and a woman and it is not as simple or intentional as you make it out to be.

            Gen 2

            18 And the LORD God said: ‘It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.’ 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them; and whatsoever the man would call every living creature, that was to be the name thereof. 20 And the man gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found a help meet for him.

            I think this is an interesting question – did the animals God offered to Adam have mates? There is no mention of mates, so why should we assume them? God made Adam of the ground, He made animals from the ground. The whole male/female thing didn’t occur to Him with Adam, so why would it with the animals? But, why would it? He didn’t have a Her, why should his creation?

            So, it would only make sense that the animals God brought before Adam were all male. It was Adam who rejected the homo-bestial coupling, not God, and it was because of him God came up with a female. I guess since it worked he did the same for all the animals.

            When Adam saw Eve, he was the one who decided God finally got it right. So, if anything, the concept of man/woman marriage was thoroughly human in origin.

          • jennylynn

            Jim you are a evil troll. You need to repent!

          • Jim H

            You are someone who resorts to name calling when babbling off what they have been taught doesn’t work. You need to have a thought, or two, of your own.

      • bowie1

        It’s a MORAL issue but the critics like to call it political so they think they might have grounds to shut down any opposing opinions like some fascist cult.

      • Vickie

        Political matters? Since when is “marriage” a political matter? Oh, yeah, I forgot. It’s political if you’re gay.

        • StereoMan

          It becomes a political matter when certain Christian bigots try to stop them from having the same rights everyone else has.

          • Homer for God

            Only the Christians huh? Still showing narrow mindedness. You keep proving time and time again on this site that Christians are the only true group that is constantly persecuted. I really urge you to look in your heart truly and find your relationship with God and realize you have little time left. God Bless

          • StereoMan

            I’m not seeing the Buddhists try to deny anyone basic human rights. People aren’t persecuting you, they are standing up to you when you are unreasonable bullies.

          • jennylynn

            Well let’s see, the gays purposely target Christians because they know what we believe, while the Budhist don’t worship any God, they think they are God, so why would they go after them? The attack is on the true living God not the false god led by Satan. Remember homosexuality is rooted in satanism, if you don’t believe me ask a satanist and they will tell you the demon God of homosexuality and the demons hate Jesus and His children.

          • StereoMan

            “The gays” are not TARGETING Christians, for the last time. They wouldn’t have the slightest bit of interest in you at all if you weren’t constantly telling them what they can or can’t do, calling the perversions and abominations, damning them to hell, and all the other lovely things you seem to think it’s your business to do. Leave them alone and they won’t feel the need to stand up to your hate and bigotry.

          • jennylynn

            Easy for you to say who isn’t christian. Ask the Kleins, and the photographers, ask Canada and France and see who the targets are, they are not the Muslims. Now wouldn’t that be something. This is a spiritual war, satan and his agenda agains God and His church. Nothing new under the sun. God prophesied this would happen in the end. Luke 17

          • StereoMan

            If the Kleins don’t want to be fined, they shouldn’t be breaking the law.

          • jennylynn

            Actually it wasn’t even law at the time they were bullied. They weren’t breaking the law the gays were and just trying to exhort money out of a Christian family. They could of gone somewhere else.

          • Doug Williams

            Bullshit!

          • jennylynn

            Look it up. All documented!

          • Vickie

            jennylynn – do you ever feel you’ve gotten into a battle of wits with an unarmed man? 🙂

          • Dan of the Dead

            Wow… have you ever felt alone in the universe?

          • Vickie

            I don’t know what you see in my comment that would prompt you to ask me that, but yes, Dan of the Dead, I have not only felt very much alone many times in my life, I have also BEEN very much alone at times. There isn’t much that I’ve not been through, so I really am able to empathize in just about ANY situation. I may not like what I see happening, but I do not condemn anyone. I don’t call names, I try not to get baited into discussions or arguments with those who refuse to see both sides of an issue, etc. (i.e. doing battle of wits with an unarmed man). I will answer to God for what I do, and everyone else will answer to Him for what they do. You have obviously been very hurt in your life, and for that I am truly sorry. Take care of yourself, please. I may not love what you do or say, but I do love you, Dan.

          • Dan of the Dead

            I have not been hurt in anyway. I am just not wired to believe such nonsense. I do agree that we should all try to work together to have a wonderful life. This planet is all we have for the moment and there is nowhere to run. If believing in a god makes someone happy, who am I to take that from anyone? I wouldn’t. But in the same instances, I should be allowed to believe what I feel is true.

          • Doug Williams

            Wow, have you ever felt like maybe your playing with a stacked deck?

          • Dan of the Dead

            What? That men would be having anal intercourse with other men?lol I don’t remember that in the bible.

          • jennylynn

            That doesn’t surprise me. You and most people don’t read the Bible. If they did they would have the fear of God and it would keep them from destroying themselves and this nation.

          • Dan of the Dead

            Then let me suprise you Jenny. I am a Valley Christian High School grad and also had a scholarship to attend Biola University in La Mirada CA. Fortunately for me, I read and understood the bible. That young lady, is why I am a Atheist.

          • jennylynn

            That doesn’t surprise me at all. Just because you graduated from a Christian college even if you had a theology degree it would’t surprise me. That doesn’t make a Christian. The disciples had none of that. They had Jesus, and they knew Him and obeyed Him. They were men of faith without any title to go with it. Most people who sit in pews are not Christian. They might be cultural Christians till it is no longer politicoly correct or compromisers. Jesus said when He returns to the earh will He find faith?Luke 17 He was speaking of you. The natural man does not recieve the things of the Spirit for they are foolishness to him.1 Corinthians 2:14. Read romans 1 it speaks of you as well, even though they knew God, they neither honored Him nor gave Him glory. For this reason He gave them over to a depraved mind. Iteresting how atheism comes first than a depraved mind. It is also interesting how this was what was going on during Noah’s time and Jesus said it would be according to the same things as the days of Noah and of Lot when He returns. Prophecy proof of His word being fulfilled today.

            Blessing!

          • Dan of the Dead

            I was brainwashed as you are at one point in my life. Then I woke up. That is all.

          • jennylynn

            You are right!
            Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you
            were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
            1 Corinthians 6:11
            Now you are dead!

            He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. 1 john 5:12

          • RW Goodwin

            Why don’t they go after the muslims? They think all homosexuals should be killed… They are targeting the Christians, if not, they would go after the muslims… And we don’t say those things about the homosexuals – God’s Word does…

          • Ken Campbell

            Yes RW, Muslims are just as bad as Christians so should also be mocked openly

          • Dan of the Dead

            THANK YOU!

          • Doug Williams

            and you are more than happy to repeat it aren’t you?

          • Tempdriver

            “The gays” demand the people who believe homosexuality is a sin, to go against that belief and they have lobbied and are creating laws to FORCE people to bend to their wishes. That is TYRANNY. That is trying to take away that persons religious freedom. You can cram down our throats your beliefs, and your way of living, but if we resist(oh no) and exercise our religious freedom in defense of the raping ensued by the you and the gays on our religious beliefs, then we are the bad guys?
            God’s way of life, his conduct towards others, is out flowing concern for another person. Personally, I do not condone homosexuality because of God’s Word, the Holy Bible tells me it is a sin against God Almighty! And so I choose to obey God, and to submit unto His Lordship over my life.
            But if I have a business, and I want to run that business according to how God says in the Bible how I should conduct myself, I should be able to higher who I want and not hire who I want.
            But a queer may walk up and demand that I hire them, and if I tell them sorry I can’t,because it is contrary to the way I want to run my business, they will go to the courts and will have the government FORCE ME to do it or else! And there are many of cases of this happening, and it is homosexuals intruding on the religious beliefs of others in a conquering inquisition!
            “Accept me as right, or I will destroy your family, your business, your life”, seems to be the firmly grasp mission statement of the queer community!
            They preach “love”, but what they are doing is not love, but a move to conquer, and to eliminate those who disagree with them..
            Now, even in that, that way of conduct itself is contrary to what God shows us as Christians to be how we should be conducting ourselves. To take away from others, is not love, it is theft.
            It is them who are telling others what they can or can’t do.
            And if the others refuse, the queer community stands up in bigotry and hatred against them, and goes the government to FORCE THEM, to slap chains upon their bodies, and drag them away and FORCE THEM to go contrary to their religious beliefs. I think that sums up the truth.

          • Becky

            Leave them alone?? They’re the attackers and anyone that isn’t blind can see it.

          • StereoMan

            Are LGBT people trying to keep YOU from getting married? Who’s the attacker again?

          • http://www.evolutionvsgod.com/ Rich

            They don’t care for Straight pride parades, that’s for sure. People have actually been attacked with their right to have such parades, to promote the straight lifestyle, and for street preaching. Believe me, they are trying to stop a lot of things.

          • StereoMan

            Be grateful you don’t NEED a “straight pride parade”.

          • Doug Williams

            nice try Beckster, I call bullshit!

          • Dan of the Dead

            Brainwashing ignorance. They have no idea. Too busy screaming at anyone who disagrees to understand that not eveyone is able to swallow this religious load of crap.

          • Doug Williams

            you are truly a deluded idiot!

          • http://www.evolutionvsgod.com/ Rich

            Nothing like calling someone an idiot to make us want to be like you, a name calling hater. Do you actually ever show care to others, or just defend your own view? Praying for you.

          • Homer for God

            “People aren’t persecuting you, they are standing up to you when you are unreasonable bullies.”
            1.read comment below

            2. If given the choice if everlasting life of peace and joy by knowing God’s full love and Grace by accepting that we are sinners by nature who have given our lives to the one that created us by accepting His son’s sacrifice at the hands of judgemental, narrow minded people such as yourself, so we can have eternal life your definition of being a bully then yes.
            Now since you are blind to most of the last reason stated and only see what you want, remember I said choice was given. You consider our presentation of choice to follow God accepting and following His laws, and receiving the Gift of eternal life or follow satan, and be judged accordingly and end up burning for a thousand years before you cease to exist altogether.
            Justify your decisions and hide behind man’s law all you want while playing victim stance to the “hateful, bullying Christians” , but in the end it will be you face to face with God.
            I (as well as most on this site you try to persuade on a daily basis to no avail) can only and will love you and pray for your soul. That’s what Christ stood for and that’s what he expects from his CHRISTIAN followers. I am blessed and humbled to be one of those followers. I like my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ will defend Him to our last fleshly breath here on earth as our place is set on the new earth. I pray that you will join us, but I won’t beat you up if you don’t.
            God Bless

          • wickie

            Amen to that Homer for God, i agree with you all the way, If they don’t repent and ask God for forgiveness of their sins and believe that Jesus is the son of God then it is their problem when the day of judgement comes especially when they are persecuting us.

          • Dan of the Dead

            Okay, well if you want to believe a 6000 year nomadic fairytale that was plagiarized from every other religion before it, be my guest. You are not being persecuted, you are being ignored.

          • Homer for God

            “if you want to believe a 6000 year nomadic fairytale that was plagiarized from every other religion before it, be my guest. You are not being persecuted, you are being ignored”
            .Another who has been blinded by satan and the world. I’m sorry you feel that way and I will pray for you as well Dan. The world is ignoring Christians more everyday, but we already know that. Same thing happened to our savior Jesus when he was preaching, and these days were foretold over 2000 years ago by Jesus and John. Those who choose their master satan and become of the world, will reject God and his followers in all forms.(one of which is the lies about the word being a “nomadic fairytale) Praise God no weapon forged by man in any form (including your “scientific theories”, and consistent persecutions) will stand against God or his followers

            But go ahead and follow your fellow man and listen to his lies. I’m not concerned how you fell into satan’s deceptions and choose to follow his teachings, I’m only concerned with leading as many people as I can to Christ as instructed. If satan is what you choose then you have to put it up with God in the end. I pray the Light of God does shine through the darkness in your heart before it’s too late.

            Judgement is coming…which side will you be on?
            God Bless
            P.S. No amount of arguing or replies will change any Christian’s opinion of God nor change their relationship with Him on this site. God Bless

          • Doug Williams

            Homer, please just start taking you meds the way the Dr told you too

          • jennylynn

            You have been brainwashed by your liberal godless professors. The word of God is living and active and sharper than a double edge sword and able to divide both soul and spirit and bone and marrow and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Hebrews 4:12
            No fairy tale, plagiarized book can do that much power as the Bible has. It has changed the world and peoples lives. And Jesus is coming back to judge the world. And one day you will bow to Jesus whether in heaven or hell but every knee will bow.

          • Gregory771

            You had better hope Jesus is not coming back to judge you….
            He would be pretty steamed at fundamentalists of every religion,
            including Christianity. ‘Left Behind’, my eye!

          • williaml

            Buddhists don’t have the bible.
            Stop trying to compare

          • StereoMan

            The Bible tells you that you can stop others from getting married? You do realize that marriage predates the Bible? So why are you trying to apply your CHRISTIAN rules to people who aren’t Christians?

          • Jryad

            God created marriage in the Garden of Eden. You are right that marriage does predate the Bible, but it was God who created it nonetheless. God also made the rules, not man, therefore we follow the rules.

          • Doug Williams

            rules are made to be changed… modified, to fit a changing situation or time… but nice try!

          • Jryad

            Nope, God’s rules are never to be changed. They stand eternal. It’s actually really sad that I have to say this.

          • Christian

            Yup, you and your situational ethics! I will pray that the government doesn’t decide to try to control or end your life, because clearly you won’t see it their way when the time comes! Oh, wait, God is God and sin is sin always and forever. Just because you don’t believe doesn’t make it untrue. In the end everyone will face God and judgment and it won’t be situational. Either you are covered by the blood of Jesus or you aren’t. I pray one day a major event in your life will open your eyes to the truth before it is too late. May God bless you and take pity on your soul and give you as many major events as it takes for you to truly get it.

          • jennylynn

            I think the bigots and bullies are the gays having a temper tantrum because people will not bow to their lifestyle. You are definately confused on what a bigot is. They were happily served but participating in a sinful ceremony is where the line is drawn.

          • Doug Williams

            right that’s why christian heads are exploding across the country over Marriage equality…. If this is a sign of the end times, you should shut yer mouth and thank us for bringing Jesus home faster!

          • jennylynn

            Actually we are disgusted at the moral decline of this country, but not surprised. Jesus said in Luke 17 that it will be according to the same things as the days of Lot( sodom and Gomorah) and the days of Noah before He returns. That means it will be homosexual, immoral, godless , atheistic, and violent. You are just in the prophecy.

          • Vickie

            To all LGBTs – Please, go ahead and do what you want – what makes you happy. There is surely a church in your area that would be honored to marry you, and a florist who would be honored to do your flowers, and a baker, and a musician, and a photographer – whatever you need to make your wedding day perfect for you. But please, just leave the Christians alone.

          • StereoMan

            Stop calling them abominations and perversions and telling them they’re going to hell, and bulling them, and I’m sure they will be very glad to leave you alone.

          • ha

            Then maybe you should stop generalising

          • Homer for God

            Where Does Vickie say that? Don’t put words in her mouth. She ASKED for Christians being left alone by hateful lgbt. Read it correctly. God Bless

          • StereoMan

            It isn’t “hateful” LGBT. You keep trying to turn this around, as with everything else. Are the big nasty LGBT people trying to keep YOU from getting married?

          • Homer for God

            “You keep trying to turn this around, as with everything else.”
            It’s not turning anything around. These events were already prophesied way before any of this generation care to think.
            Sin is being glorified and disguised as “#lovewins” and once sin is exposed as it is and the followers of Christ decided they do not want any part of the sin (providing services that directly support the sin), the group defending such sin (which in this case is the LGBT) has become angry and hateful and vengeful. Of course, right now LGBT has not used physical violence (yet), they take their vengeance through social media and through court.
            I (as well as others) have maintained the same position for thousands of years, and because we will not waiver, we will continue to lose rights everyday while the right to sin movement continues to grow.
            Last thing, I seriously think that you (as well as the few here that support sin) have this preconceived notion that Christians are surprised and outraged almost like we didn’t expect this explosion of acceptance of sex outside of traditional marriage to happen. Truth is we knew this was coming long before. We also knew that following Christ’s teaching and staying steadfast in those beliefs would lead to this kind of persecution. We also know that the worse this gets, the closer to the end we are at. None of us knows exactly when,but the signs laid out in the Word have pointed to it coming immediately We are not going to fight these ridiculous laws, but we will do everything we can to win as many souls we can to God and continue to praise His glorious Name. I’m really sorry you don’t understand our position. I pray one day you will. Until then there is no purpose to continue the same” marry go round” conversation you seem to enjoy on this Christian website (of course,unless you have repented and given your life to God.)
            God Bless you Stereo.

          • Christian

            Homer, I like that-I hope you don’t mind if I use it but it’s true! The right to sin movement also includes those that are pro-choice and pro-Euthenasia. Our religious freedoms are being stripped away as I type this. I just wonder how long before we are equal to other countries in terms of Christian persecution.
            As I said before, it’s only the Christians that get slammed in these debates proving that it is indeed spiritual warfare because there are atheists that are pro-life and against same sex marriage as are the Muslims and many other religions. Christians are the only ones attacked and are close to becoming the equivalent of nazi era Jews:-(

          • Vickie

            You know, StereoMan, I make it a policy to never get into a battle of wits with an unarmed man. End of story. Have a nice life.

          • StereoMan

            Are the LGBT people telling YOU that you can’t get married?

          • jennylynn

            No, they are trying to reinvent the wheel, redefine and confuse children and genders by brainwashing and monitoring. Elimiante the traditional family and marriage between a man and a woman is their goal. I just read about a daughter marrying her dad, and a woman a cat. I guess now that immorality is legal anything goes. Just watch how degrading things become. Read “Dangerous Relations the threat of homosexuality” By Bill Muehlenberg it has all been documented.

          • Doug Williams

            read your own hate filled propaganda, I’ll pass

          • jennylynn

            Because it doesn’t agree with you it’s hate? Your the Bible hater, God Hater, Christianphobe. Maybe you should take the log out of your own eye. You want tollerance, but your not willing to tolerate the truth of the Bible that has. Even taught for 6000 years. Your not going to change the truth.myou can rewrite the laws, redefine what suits your pleasure, but it will not go well before a holy God who calls ALL to repent turn away from immorality. Sexual sin and temporal pleasure is not worth an eternity in hell or the lake of fire. God warned people so they wouldn’t go there, instead they mock Him and call Him a liar like this is some kind of joke. Well it’s no Joke. Love cares enough to warn people. Hate pats you on the back as you walk off the cliff. Call it what you want.

          • Christian

            It’s in every part of our society! Why, just look at those “cute” little minions from despicable me! As if the title doesn’t say it all-it sneaks in total gender neutrality through the minions. Wake up people! It won’t be long before we are all just numbers and you will only be valued and allowed to live based on your governmentally perceived contribution to society. This isn’t sci-fi anymore folks! When movies marketed to children push the adult issues of sin what do we expect. Of course PP does a great job teaching sexual immorality to ever younger children in schools too. In a way it’s our own fault for being apathetic and sitting back waiting far too long and doing nothing.

          • Doug Williams

            some of us tire of trying to reason with a brick wall too Vickie… you do the same!

          • jennylynn

            If you truly care about people and love them you warn them so they wouldn’t go to hell. Jesus talked and warned more than anyone else so people wouldn’t go there. To stay silent is hateful and cowardly. I wouldn’t want my enemies to go to hell, but we can not force them to see the devastation sin causes. I pray your eyes will be open.

          • StereoMan

            I don’t believe in hell. I think that’s something Christians use to scare and intimidate people.

          • jennylynn

            If I didn’t believe in gravity and jumped out Of a plane, it wouldn’t make any difference whether I believed in it or not, it becomes reality when I hit the ground.
            Likewise hell is a very real reality that is not worth spending eternity in because you THINK it doesn’t exist. I think God would not warn extensively if it weren’t real.

          • Christian

            I wish I could interview you about that in 300 years!

          • StereoMan

            Yes, your kind has been saying that for thousands of years.

          • Doug Williams

            let he who is without sin among you cast the first stone…..
            what is that I hear? Crickets??

          • jennylynn

            Yes, that is referring to hypocritical sin, the non believers favorite verse along with don’t judge me. I am not living in a lifestyle of sin, I have turned away from sin and have embraced the truths of Jesus Christ who washes us clean. There is now therefore no condemnation FOR THOSE IN CHRIST JESUS.Romans 8:1 that means abiding in His word and obeying His moral law and trusting in Him and His word. Jesus means what He says and He says what He means.

          • Doug Williams

            Consider yourself left alone! Do us the same courtesy!

          • Shawn Hopkins

            See that’s not bigotry it’s beliefs. You want Christians to adhere to your beliefs, but reject the Christian beliefs and label them as hate….if you knew a true Christian, you would see love…and this demonizing of the church is proof that the judgement of the one true God is at hand….do you not believe because of your own free will or do you not believe because you have been blinded from the truth…a Christians purpose is to serve God! And part of that service involves leading people to Christ! So that they can inherit the kingdom of heaven and live for all eternity with our loving Father…but in order to gain that eternal life with Him we must turn from the things of this world and follow him….I am not perfect don’t claim to be far from it actually I struggle with my own sins daily as does every Christian. We cannot and will not inherit anything but judgement if we are consumed by the darkness of our sin, whether it be, homosexuality, adultry, greed, blasphemy, murder, no matter the sin, if we are not constantly turning from these sins we are living in darkness..a Christian is to lead those out of the dark and into the light…Jesus is the light…we don’t hate anyone…but we don’t condone everything…that’s the gray area now a days…we think if he/she doesn’t accept my life then they hate me…not true…we love them enough to tell them they cannot enter the kingdom of heaven living like that, and we don’t do it to only homosexuals, but anyone who is living in darkness…God and Jesus are Light and we are sinners living in darkness…light and darkness can never occupy the same space so therefore we cannot see the kingdom of heaven until we turn from those sins and walk away from them into the Light…we are to live as Jesus did to be a beacon of light for those who are lost…Jesus sacrificed hisself for us yet we cannot sacrifice our earthly desires for Him…think about that “earthly desires” we are so narrow-minded that we live our lives to have happiness on earth for less than 100 years if we are so lucky to live that long, instead of doing what we can to ensure our happiness for all eternity…we as Christians want to share that eternity with everyone…I hope that this helped you see the positives in a true Christian not what is perceived by what is seen by “Christian” posers…they to me are the very worst people on earth because they spread a false belief or symbolism of a Christian to the non believers…May the Lord open our eyes to the wickedness we do for the love of self….

          • StereoMan

            I don’t want Christians to adhere to my beliefs, I don’t care what they believe as long as they can do it without hating, attacking, bullying and all the other things they do.

          • Shawn Hopkins

            Again it’s not hate, bullying, or anything like that…I have gay friends that I am very close to….I tell them about my Jesus and how to spend eternity with Him…they refuse Him…I can’t change that…but I can and will love them no matter their choice…that’s not hate or bullying….that’s all love buddy!! I have no hate for anyone or anything…well maybe Mikey cyrus’s tongue…lol

          • jennylynn

            Then stand up to the GLBT agents and tell them to leave our Christian liberties alone. It is an agenda rooted in satanism. The GLBT are the bullies, bullying people of faith.

          • StereoMan

            The LGBT people I know have about as much interest in Satan as they do in Jesus. Those are YOUR obsessions.

          • Jryad

            I am glad to be obsessed with Jesus.

          • Doug Williams

            satanism may ass! You are such a dork!

          • jennylynn

            Yep, rooted all the way down. Ask the satanist. They know the demon of homosexuality by name. Why else do you think they are attacking God and His word and His institution, His family? Because Satan hates the true living God. He doesn’t hate the false gods of Islam, Buddhah, JWs, Mormonism etc. I don’t see the gays going after the Koran. Now wouldn’t that be something.? No, Islam is rooted in satan too. A house divided against itself will not stand. Mark 3:25

          • Jryad

            Christianity is not belief. It’s truth.

          • williaml

            Christian Bigots?

            Gays just got their way and they are Still Not satisfied.

            the gays are the Bigots and the Christians are just obeying the Bible.

            (Acts 5:29 KJV) Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
            (Luke 6:46 KJV) And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

          • http://www.inyourforehead.com/ inyour4head

            This has NOTHING to so with obtaining equal rights (civil unions) for insurance or tax purposes and EVERYTHING to do with re-defining Biblical marriage. Period.

            The LGBT movement is a VERY religious one…

          • StereoMan

            No one wants to touch “Biblical” marriage. You don’t need a Bible to get married as it is, all you need is to go down to the justice of the peace and get married. No one is forcing pastors to marry gay people either.

          • http://www.inyourforehead.com/ inyour4head

            You’re right, the LGBT doesn’t want to conform to the Biblical definition of a marriage. No, they would rather re-refine it.

            And flaunt their abominable behavior everywhere they go… and sue those who won’t cater to their so-called marriages…

            Etc, etc, ad nauseum…

          • Doug Williams

            I think you must have some short circuiting…. inyour4head

          • Cora Blue

            Ever heard of Muslims?

          • StereoMan

            If they were the issue, I’d be taking it up with them. In North America, it’s Christian bigots that are the problem.

          • Cora Blue

            Are all Christians bigots? What is their problem? What is your issue? This is about churches losing tax exempt status for being opposed to same sex marriage. A temple would be opposed to an non Jew getting married, and Muslims would be opposed to non muslims getting married in a mosque. Marriages make up a very tiny part of Church, Temple, and Mosque functions. Marriages are actually only a ceremony. The legal parts which make an actual union are done at city hall. The advocates for churches losing tax exempt status don’t really understand what charitable institutions do. What exactly is the issue you are taking up with Christian Bigots? Muslims refer to me, in some places, as an Infidel pig dog, fyi.

          • Christian

            Wow, thank you for bringing us back on point! The truth of the matter is that it’s been known for years that churches provide the most services to the homeless, widows, underserved etc. It’s not that governments can or do better-it’s that they find ways to dispose of their undesirables of society! Let us not forget that tomorrow is not a promise and any one of us could become homeless or disabled in an instant. We all need to remember to look at both sides and walk in one another’s shoes. Our society is sad and self centered-iPhones, iPads, MySpace, fast food, microwaves and mood altering drugs! Society wants it wants and wants it now and too bad for anyone else and don’t you dare interfere with me getting exactly what I want when and how I want it!

          • Michael Rodriguez

            They always had the same rights as everyone else. Any single man could marry any single woman. No same sex person could marry. The law was equal for all and there was no discrimination. They “invented” the right for same sex marriage.

          • StereoMan

            Do you understand homosexuality? If you are homosexual you cannot form a close relationship with the opposite sex. Only the same sex. And so it does no good to tell them they are free to marry the opposite sex because that would not be someone they could fall in love with.

        • Dan of the Dead

          The ignorance is overwhelming.

          • Doug Williams

            Astounding actually!

      • MaryWaterton

        Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) & National Public Radio (NPR) are examples of secular 501(c)(3) organizations that are involved in politics, sometimes blatantly endorsing democrat candidates. I don’t think taxing Sesame Street (part of PBS) will win you s0d0mites many friends.

      • jennylynn

        So stealing God’s money that is used for the Gospels sake is a no brainier?
        First of all the church is not involved with political matters, the government is involving itself in the church which it has no right to do. Government and people might change their ways and ideas and conform to corruption, but God never changes and His word endures forever. Remember this attack is against God and His moral standards and people just love their sin too much.

      • williaml

        Churches Never needed the blessings of the IRS to be Tax exempt. Churches cannot advertise or endorse political candidates but that is where it ends. ( this is the part is concerning state taxes)
        Pastors, Ministers can endorse but political organizations cannot.
        (this is the part concerning the IRS)
        The only reason churches get 501(c)3 exemption is to operate as a CHARITY. If Churches are stripped of that charity status, Goodwill, Red Cross, salvation army, feeding the poor and homeless, etc. will all go down and Churches will Still be Tax Exempt.
        Churches do Not have to operate as a Charity and will Still be Preaching Against Sins, Perversions, etc.

      • Israel4sure

        You are ignorant concerning the things of G-D, Sodom was destroyed for a purpose, because being gay is now perceived as being the new cool and our corrupt politician can’t run fast enough to jump on the gay bandwagon, and many good people who are blinded by Satan’s deception are running just as fast. I don’t know any Christian who hate homosexual, but I know a lot of Christian’s who hate the sin of homosexual. Read the Gay manifesto that was written many years ago, ” We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us”
        ” All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.”

        We are living in what the book of Revelation call Laodicea
        To the Church in Laodicea
        14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

        These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

        • StereoMan

          You know that you’re talking to an atheist, right? I’m really not interested in what your book of witchcraft says.

      • jennylynn

        What you call love is lust. Where do you draw the line? A daughter just married her father in New York because she love him. A woman married her cats because she lived them. There is something called natural and in natural for a reason. There are biological parts an anatomy that play a part. Men are not meant to be with men for sexual reasons. It is wrong and will have consequences.
        This is in response to another comment I can’t find.

      • Bruce Morrow

        Does your same standard apply to liberal churches?

    • Ken Campbell

      Churchaphobia is a common problem for many rational people. It is not correlated to sexual orientation but it is correlated to education and a reasonable capacity to recognize fraud

    • Carlos A Donate

      Yes I agree and may I add Revelation 21:8 which mentions the “fearful”, an allusion of these who are “God-a-phobes”, not God fearing, which is different! They fear the God who created them to the extent they run away from Him, rather than towards Him. May God have mercy on them!

  • david

    if 5 lawyers can rule 320 million americans by a decree, the USA is no longer the land of the free.

    70 % americans say they are christian, then add the jews , muslims, sikhs , and you have the majority in favor of traditional marriage.

    this contention has been going on for decades on how to balance the freedoms of Christians and lgbt . the judges stayed out of the dictator decree until liberal california voted in favor for traditional marriage, one gay judge over turned the votes of californians , Prop 8 , which at first christians won and then the victory was taken away by one judge. this was a harbinger of things to come for what happened in california was about the happen nation wide.

    now the supreme court did the same thing against the will of the people. supreme judge roberts cast the deciding vote and he admitted that when the lgbt celebrates they should remember that the vote was not based on the constitution, in other words he did it for the gays not for the constitution. again one judge had the deciding rule over 320 million americans.

    are the judges told to uphold the constitution? first california judge, now the supremes , now they are coming for more blood for tax exempt removal. after that they will come for the Bible. they will demand the Bible be banned.

    so what will you do about that? can the usa remove those judges? are there any politicians running for president that will stand for traditional marriage? if you dont repent from your sins then you will suffer as your country goes down the toilet. america is suffering due to its sin.

    Miley you say only God can judge you (no she did not parrot a rap star) dont worry , He will judge you. God allows people to make their choice of sin and rebellion , just like the devil did, or obedience to His word…like Jesus Gods Son did.

    follow the devil or Jesus, the devil will end up in hell for eternal torment in fire.
    Jesus is glorified in a perfect heaven. so what ending will you choose? but i dont believe Gods word anymore…”the the devil said to Eve ‘did God really say do not eat of any tree’? ….is Gods word really true , surely it cant be with so many translations.

    if you base your eternity on party friends comments then you are in sad shape. i have studied the history of the Bible , the scrolls , textus receptus, codex sanaiticus etc and the King James Bible is accurate.

    Good thing the other ones are close even as the devil tried to change Gods word but his attempt failed. they all say the same thing except the King James is the best translation when i look at manuscript and scroll evidence . the recent find of the dead sea scrolls prove the Bible is accurate for almost one thousand years after finding other scrolls and parchments and in a total different part of the word, the texts say the same thing. amazing.

    miley = straying Christians who have left the faith

    • The Unknown Commenter

      Point of clarification: Roberts voted against the gay marriage ruling and argued strongly against the five who voted for it.

      • Vivian

        Right, CJ Roberts salvaged obamacare three times. (Selective legislating.)

        • The Unknown Commenter

          Well, twice, but yes he did.

          • Vivian

            2 main cases. yes.

  • Mr. Avatar

    The church is not required to have an IRS 401c3 tax status is not required. They are guarantied tax exempt status by the constitution with no IRS envolvement.

    • Gene Schunek

      Nonsense! There is nothing in the Constitution that gives any guarantee of tax exemption to any church.

  • Beth Tully

    Churches should lose their tax exempt status for lots of reasons. when megachurch pastors spend millions on private jets something’s gone wrong.

    • bowie1

      Most churches operate on a much tighter budget.

      • Beth Tully

        But the ones that don’t and the ones that do pay the same no tax that’s not right.

    • Emmanuel

      Well, then all charities should lose them too. Red Cross is corrupt just like the megachurch pastors.

      • http://sinmantyx.wordpress.com sinmantyx

        We can agree on that one – but the financial reporting requirements and transparency requirements are not the same as far as I know.

    • Ken Campbell

      If a ‘church’ is a business or a political lobbyist, it should pay taxes that reflect these roles

  • James

    The consequences of the Supreme Court marriage ruling

    Once jurists who believe the U.S.
    Constitution is a “living document “open to any relevant interpretation were
    appointed as lifetime members of the Supreme Court the Constitution became
    political fair game.

    And once Americans accepted as the
    law of the land that those justices ruled, the country would never be the same.

    No longer would there be three
    branches of government each having responsibility in a specific role –
    executive, legislative, judicial review. Instead there would be one person
    making all decisions. (The Elite).

    If there was any doubt we had
    reached that tipping point before, Friday’s incoherent, emotional, irrational,
    reactionary decision on marriage it should put it to rest.

    This was not a legal decision. It
    was a political edict by five men and women in the Supreme Court who really believe in their “supremacy, “and
    are quite willing to rubber stamp Obama and his cronies socialist NWO political
    objectives).

    They the elite believe they are
    wiser than God who created the institution of marriage, a union of a man and a
    woman and are quite willing to force their views on you.

    Where does this lead?

    Polygamy?

    Polyandry?

    Incest?

    Indoctrination of the people?

    But it’s all good, according to
    Anthony Kennedy and company.

    It’s about liberty without
    responsibility. Or in short, (anything goes).

    Does Kennedy understanding of
    liberty apart from God’s moral code brings on horrors like were experienced
    during the fall of Rome, the French Revolution and Sodom and Gomorrah?

    Does he understand the role marriage
    and family play in self-governance?

    Does he have any idea of the kind of
    world he has ensured for our children?

    Nothing is certain. There are no
    absolutes. Nothing is foreordained as right or wrong everything becomes
    relevant. It’s all just a matter of personal opinion. Lawlessness without
    conscience.

    The rule of law means what they say
    it means. The will of the people means nothing. The people will follow the
    dictates of the elite leadership who know better. (Or else)

    America was morally adrift long
    before this ruling. This is the fast-track version of moral relativism as
    national political, legal, educational and cultural policy.

    It also serves to divide the
    citizenry more sharply than any other ruling from on high. No less than a
    strategy of divide and Conquer.

    We have already seen this same-sex
    marriage issue used, including by this same court, to portray anyone who
    dissents from the redefining of marriage as a bigot, a hater, a maladjusted
    rogue, an enemy of the people. And you quickly become the enemy of the people if
    you are in disagreement with them, potentially being classified a terrorist.

    Think about it. It’s now open season
    on people of faith – Christians, Jews, anyone who holds marriage to be a sacred
    institution. No more division of State and Church. License all ministers.
    Require all sermons be submitted for perusal by the government before being
    preached. A one world church governed by the elites in a utopia socialist NWO.

    We are living in perilous times.

    There will be consequences for this
    decision. Don’t expect everyone to put aside their most deeply held religious
    convictions and live happily looking for a utopian socialistic NWO.

    Don’t expect the liberal cultural anarchists (anti
    christ’s) who put this movement in place just a decade ago to stop here. This
    is the beginning of their revolution, not the endgame. As time goes on it will
    be about no less than world control.

    As a Christian, I also believe we
    will be hearing from our God Jehovah the author of marriage (soon).

    America’s elite leadership has taken
    the side of the enemies of God, and He will take notice even as He took notice
    of past nations and Sodom and Gomorrah.

    It could come in the form of an
    economic crash. It could come in more civil and racial strife as has been seen
    in recent days. It could come in the form of an attack on our country from
    foreign power or terrorist group. Or it could come from an internal collapse as
    a result of moral decay as happen in Rome.

    Tribulations are just the pattern
    that God uses to bring His people to repentance for their own good.

    Read the Bible, the end days are no
    longer future they are here.

    2Chronicles 7:13 If I shut up heaven that there
    be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send
    pestilence among my people;

    2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called
    by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from
    their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin,
    and will heal their land.

  • Paul Roof

    if the Church loses the tax exempted rights then we need to call that the Supreme Court take away their right to get married because two of those Judges had conflict of interest and they should’ve removed there selves from the decision but the gays better get right with the Lord and see that the church should not be force into marrying same sex partners cause it is against the Bible we ain’t saying they can’t we are saying we shouldn’t have to risk our salvation for their sins

  • bowie1

    It portrays these gay advocates as ruthless opponents against anyone going against their heretical orthodoxy – like a newly forming religious cult. Perhaps they took some lessons from the Scientologists who use every legal means to shut down any criticism.

  • Vickie

    To all LGBTs – Please, go ahead and do what you want – what makes you happy. There is surely a church in your area that would be honored to marry you, and a florist who would be honored to do your flowers, and a baker, and a musician, and a photographer – whatever you need to make your wedding day perfect for you. But please, just leave the Christians alone.

    • Ken Campbell

      If the Christians want to be left alone, they should stop meddling in politics

      • Vickie

        Ken – that’s about the stupidest thing I’ve seen on the net today . . . and perhaps the best laugh I’ve had today (well, yesterday.)

        • Ken Campbell

          OK…I will accept editorial comments for what they are. However, I would like to see how you find it ‘stupid’.

          • Gene Schunek

            I would like to know that too.

  • amused

    How about if I stop paying local taxes because the public schools are teaching my kids about homosexuality and I disagree with the message and the timing of the message? nonsense!

  • The Lone Ranger

    Let the Sodomites have their own tax exempt church the church of the supreme court

    • http://sinmantyx.wordpress.com sinmantyx

      What rock do you live under? Churches have been marrying same sex couples long before those marriages were recognized by the state.

      • Eponymous1

        Unitarians don’t really count.

        • http://sinmantyx.wordpress.com sinmantyx

          Just saying – already have “their own tax exempt church” and it’s not the supreme court. In fact there are many gay positive churches that are Christian, Jewish and Muslim. Have fun trying to find an anti-gay Coven.

          This idea that this issue is “Us against Them” where “Us” are Christians and “Them” are heathen sodomites is a fantasy.

          It’s “Us against Them” where “Us” are christofascists and other assorted bigots the “Them” is everyone else – including people of various faiths and traditions.

  • Adriaan de Leeuw

    The recent ruling by the US Supreme Court was also very clear about religious organisations abilities to marry, they had the First Amendment right of refusal to perform what they consider a religious act! No different than Churches have that right for any other Christians, the Catholic Church refuse to marry divorced persons! It is therefore not a slight on the ruling what so ever!
    Taxation and the Church is a very thorny issue though and is seriously a carry over from when the Church was Part of the State or the State was part of the Church, Remember one of King George the Thirds Titles was Defender of the Faith, and that he was the head of the Church of England the OFFICIAL religion of American Colonies of the day! Noting that we also do not want a Church where the State dictates its Policy to the religious leaders either, do you want an EDICT that made it Compulsory for the Church to marry Homosexuals or as a Catholic Divorcees, think Communist China where the State does make such edicts. the Supreme Court was careful in its comments in this regard and just a few weeks ago also stopped the ordinances forbidding church advertising, all on fist amendment grounds! When Christ was asked about Taxation (in an attempt to trap him for sedition) he made it abundantly clear render unto Caesar what is Caesars! Taxation is Caesars and it should be rendered unto Caesar, no one is above such things, no one less than Christ made that Clear! Money is an Earthly Commodity and that was the domain of Caesar! So should the Church pay Taxation my understanding is that Christ made it clear, they should, of course that is my opinion, one day I may get the chance to ask him my self!

  • jennylynn

    I guess separation of church and state only applies when it’s convenient for them.

    Not only do they want to bully God’s children, they also want to steal God’s money. I’m sure that won’t sit well with the ALMIGHTY. Hope they repent before it’s too late!

    luke 20:25
    And He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s

  • williaml

    Look at the Bigots now!
    They have called Christians Bigots, they got their way and they are Still not satisfied.
    It never was about loving couples getting married, it is an all out attack on the church and our stupid politicians can’t see it.
    Homosexuals are never happy and will never be satisfied, not even if everyone shared their misery.

    • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

      You are right. Once they get one thing in their favor.They want more and more. it will never be enough. They want a hate crime law including speech. This way Christians can go to Jail or be fined for speaking out against Homosexuality.

  • Becky

    “At least two outspoken homosexual advocates are calling for churches nationwide to lose their tax-exempt status following last month’s U.S. Supreme Court ruling declaring that all 50 states must legalize same-sex “marriage.””

    Did you get that? At least two homosexual advocates are causing this ruckus. Notice it’s never the majority of Americans, but just a few that know who to go to for movement. The S. Ct., is a perfect example. It wasn’t citizens that made the decision, but 5 justices that decided against the constitution (not interpretation) and against what the majority wanted. Why do they care if they’re married through a church…weren’t they initially crying that they wanted the benefits of marriage and it had nothing to do with religion?? Aren’t they always crying against Christians/Christianity? They’re minds are so twisted…who can reason with them? No one. They will not give up until everyone stops displaying any opposition. They won’t be able to succeed, however. By God’s grace, there will always be a group called God’s people that will uphold and continue to teach the word of God. Homosexuality is an abomination against God and that will never change.

  • Becky

    “[W]hen those views are fanatical and hurtful, they come into conflict with the views of any honorable legislator who believes in freedom and equality. And at that point, it makes perfect sense for our elected representatives to register their disapproval by abolishing the tax exemption for organizations who cling to narrow-minded and anachronistic views,” Salmon wrote.”

    So, basically Christians, who uphold sound biblical beliefs, are fanatical and hurtful, especially when they go against “any honorable legislator” who believes in freedom and equality. The only “freedom and equality” they’re interested in is for homosexuals. Freedom and equality for Christians is under attack by the homosexual activist groups who vehemently want to abolish Christianity. It’s as clear as day. However, it’s no surprise…God warned his people thousands of years ago that the last days would be like in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. The people of Sodom and Gomorrah were soaked in sin and one of those sins was the act of homosexuality…young and old alike.

  • Becky

    The homosexual activist groups aren’t going to be satisfied with just silencing the opposition (Christians), they also want ALL to be PARTICIPANTS. Christ warned us that in the last days it would be like Sodom and Gomorrah. In Sodom, the WHOLE CITY, young and old, wanted to participate in the sex act against the Angels that visited Lot. The whole city was participating! That’s what’s happening today…Christians are being forced to not only deny/compromise their religious beliefs, but they’re being told that they must partake in their sin or suffer the consequences. These people are living out a prophecy that was given thousands of years ago…we’re watching it unfold. We, as God’s people, can take comfort in knowing that Lot didn’t partake of Sodom’s sins and he was was saved from God’s wrath. God’s people will be saved from this, too.

  • Crusader777

    The Holy Spirit is saying to the Churches:
    It is time to arise and shine my
    love, my bride. The time is short before I open the door for my bride to
    come in. Where evil abounds Grace much more abounds. Stop worrying
    about the things of this world and fill your lamps with oil and let them
    shine bright for the world to see.
    My Church, my bride I command to
    wake up from your slumber and unite as one to prepare for my soon
    return. You must arise and shine my love and power into all of the dark
    places and scatter the enemy in every direction. Those who truly believe
    will go forth and in My Name show the world my Word is true with signs
    and wonders and miracles.
    The day to repent and to live a holy life
    has come, be ye Holy as I am Holy. To the leaders of my Church I warn
    you this very day to prepare my people for my soon return. You must stop
    running my Father’s House as a business and truly focus on saving men’s
    souls and uniting my Churches with things in common. Judgement will
    start in my House first and the time is now, leaders pray and repent and
    do what is right in My sight.
    I have lit up the Heaven’s with signs
    and sent my prophets forth to warn people and yet they ignore the things
    that are there for all to see. I will pour out my glory in my house one
    last time to bring in a great harvest and I command those called by my
    name to arise and take a stand for righteousness sake. The time is now
    ARISE MY LOVE!

  • Crosseyedone

    All they ever wanted was equality. Yeah, right.

  • jjhot254 .

    Morality, right and wrong, they are written in ourselves as per God, no human government or majority consense can right a morally wrong. What would our society be like if Nazi had won the war?

  • VStarr

    over beliefs? the homosexual community got what they wanted…now they want to hurt others because their belief is different than their own? how is that justice? that sounds like hypocrisy.

  • Caridad Tome

    The Church, which is people not buildings or legal fictions like corporations, should NEVER incorporate and ask for tax-exemption. The Church already has an EXCEPTION, not exemption, from income taxes (see Title 26 USC secs. 508 and 6033 – do a search on them). We have to educate law-makers that Christianity is inherently discriminatory IN THAT God commanded us not to do as the heathen do AND not to associate or partake with their ways. BUT, the Church better start getting ready because to stand in resistance with God’s Word WILL bring persecution. GOVERN YOURSELVES ACCORDINGLY.

  • get2djnow

    If you’re writing on a Christian News Network blog and Christians bother you, you should probably expect to have your stupid comments deleted.

  • get2djnow

    Dan, it’s pretty obvious that your Christian father didn’t beat you enough.

  • Cora Blue

    I imagine there are many good hearted homosexual people who will not agree with the mouthpieces who are having a tantrum over charitable institutions losing tax exempt status. The advocates in question are on the far left of the spectrum and if they had paused for just a moment they would have reconsidered their crazy idea and created a church of their own. It’s not hard to do, but like many other ventures I’ve seen on the left- they can’t make a living at being a reverse copy-cat…Air America anyone? I am not saying the church, synagog, and mosque aren’t under attack, they are, but this attack is akin to the Japanese who dropped a bomb on Pearl Harbor. What did that general say… “I am afraid we have awakened a sleeping giant.” ? Once the Christians, Jews, and even american Muslims are fully awake and understand the wasp which is stinging them is going to keep it up, there will be a backlash in America against them like nothing we’ve seen in my lifetime. Homosexuals who think these mouthpieces are in the wrong need to step forward pretty soon lest they get lumped into the same basket with all the other nuts. It’s an interesting day to be an American.

  • Jim Deferio

    The solution is simple. Churches need to get out of the “catering business” and stop hosting weddings from people outside of the membership. Also, forget the “marriage license” as you don’t need one and nor do you need government approval for REAL marriages. Churches should be issuing “covenant certificates”.

    Homosexulaists cannot in anyway participate in covenant relationships and so they are automatically excluded. Homosexualists will always be marginalized and criminalized and demonized because what they do is against nature, against civilized society, against God, against each other and their heart is filled with hate, confusion, and demonic passions.

    • Joe Soap

      Only two states introduced the option of “covenant certificates”. Less than 1% of the couples in those states took up the option. It’s simply not viable.

      If you want to claim you are married, especially for tax purposes, you need paperwork to prove it. Stop living in a fantasy world. You cannot cut yourself off from officialdom.

      • Jim Deferio

        You don’t have to go through the wide gate and broad way with everyone else like a stupid mindless follower. Many Christians have been refusing to get a “marriage license” all along. Also, next month my wife and I will have been married for 40 years and I don’t ever recall having to show anyone the license.

        The government needs to get out of the marriage business and the arrogance of thinking that they only can permit this or that.

        The problem in Christianity is that many church leaders are cowards. They love the money and the place of honor that stupid followers put them in, and they love to have everything quiet and peaceful as they go along to get along with the world. It’s a “profession”, don’t you know, a “career”. I hope the government takes away the tax-exempt status for every one of them. Pay your property taxes like everyone else and since you run your church like a business, more taxes should be levied.

        • Joe Soap

          1. Doesn’t matter how long you have been married. You have a license therefore in the eyes of the state you marriage has been legally registered and recognised.

          2. The government is in the “marriage business” to accommodate the millions of people both gay and straight that do not wish to have a religious ceremony. Not everyone is religious.

          3. People who don’t have legal proof of marriage are simply cohabiting.

          4. If you split up try proving who owns what in court without a legally recognised marriage license.

          5. Presumably your kids have birth certificates don’t they? Or should the government get out of the “baby business” as well?

          The fact is we cannot separate ourselves from the real world. It exists. Deal with it.

          • Jim Deferio

            My wife and I were married August 1975. If we had known then how far down the toilet this nation will have gone we would NEVER had applied for a marriage license.

            This is a poor medium for debate but if we were in a debate I could produce the research and statistics that show that the government should stay out of licensing the sexual perversion of homosexualists and calling THAT “marriage”.

            REAL marriage is a covenant and there is NO divorce. I know people who have refused to get birth certificates for their kids. We don’t need more government intervention in our lives and this whole Social Security tax imposed on everyone is unethical.

            WHAT IS MARRIAGE? There is no way in the world that same-sex couplings could ever be anything more than irrational behavior that leads to disease and physical trauma. The government is licensing a mental disorder and irrational behavior.

          • Joe Soap

            Those people are not doing their children any favours. Without a birth certificate how will they prove to others how old they are?

            Are they old enough to marry, drink alcohol, join the army, drive a car, claim a pension? It’s important for people to be able to prove their age. Does the government actually know they are alive? What is their national insurance number? Can they legally get a job? What birthdate will they put on their headstone?

            It is silly and counterproductive to make life awkward for other people whether you are their parents or not.

            BTW Homosexualist is not a real word acoording to the Oxford English Dictionary.

          • Jim Deferio

            LOL. Homosexualists is what a number of Christian scholars are using to labelo people who self-identify as “homosexual”. The reason is that there is not a special sexual category of people called “homosexual”.

            We are all born unchangeably either male or female with sexual reproductive organs designed by our DNA for the opposite sex (intersex is very rare and usually most cases are easily treatable).

            All sexual feelings are rooted in and arise due to our heterosexual procreative design. If we were asexual we would have NO sexual feelings. Similarly one’s appetite is rooted in the need for nutrition but people develop eating disorders. Homosexuality is a mental disorder.

            Basically “homosexuals” are people in denial of their heterosexuality.

            Did I mention this before? I personally know numerous EX-homosexuals and they would agree with me.

          • Joe Soap

            “Did I mention this before? I personally know numerous EX-homosexuals and they would agree with me.”

            No you didn’t, but if you had done I’d have figured you were lying like racists who claim some of their friends are black. I think we have gone as far as possible with this particular debate.

            PS. Just because “christian scholars” whatever that means are using a made up word that doesn’t mean it’s an actual word.

          • Jim Deferio

            Clearly you don’t have science and truth on your side. No one is “born homosexual”.
            But lets say that sometime in the future a biological/genetic link IS found. It would only prove that “homosexuals” are mutants and I think if a test was devised to screen for this congenital defect women would be aborting their mutant fetus at a 100% rate.

            You have obviously drunk the Kool-Aid of the liberal media. Smarten up! Stop hating people so much as to condemn them to an irrational and unnatural existence.

  • Chuck Peregrin

    I am gay, an atheist, and I do believe that churches should lose their tax exempt status, but for OTHER reasons than being against gay marriage when the courts have approved it. This weakens all claims to gay marriage, and I apologize on their behalf for the weakness of their argument and their apparent desire for attention..

  • Brian

    Here we go, All we want is equal rights. That was a big pile of BS, they do not want equal rights they want their way and if you do not agree then you are homophobic and or a bigot. The old saying give a inch the will take a mile.

  • Tom Haynie

    We all knew it was going to come to this. Most everyone sat back and said a few prayers instead of getting involved. God will not fight Satan for us, we came here knowing that we would have to prove ourselves. Homosexuals are just as much God’s children as persons of strong religious beliefs. We should all treat each other with the same respect. The fact that a government body, by a very narrow margin, changed the law of the land does not mean that it changed the law of God. There is truth to the saying that the sure way for evil to take over the world is for good people to do nothing. You don’t have to fight hateful bigotry with angry words, name calling and Bible thumping. You do have to make your voice heard and promote candidates who understand right from wrong. Because I neither support nor agree with same sex marriage I will be labeled with a number of hateful adjectives. That really has no effect on me and is of little consequence. But, what is of consequence is that we stand up for what is right in a civil, open and respectful manner. Bigotry will be shown by those who condemn individuals for their belief and conscience regardless of the political position of the person.

  • Jryad

    God says no to gay marriage. End of story. There’s nothing else for Christians to debate. When God speaks, everyone else should shut up and agree.

  • Gregory771

    I think that’s a good idea and I’m not homosexual 😉

  • MarioRom

    As a Christian, Ialso want for churches to lose their tax exewmpt status. It will take the chains away that keep us in check and what they will do is awaken a sleeping giant.

  • Chloes Galiki

    Say what you like, but you can and are totally able to live a life of your own
    choosing. You all choose to spend your lives keeping others from living
    theirs. When something really means everything in the world to you- religion,
    constitution of marriage, or someone- than no one, and nothing can ever take
    that away. If one opinion, or one law are enough to shatter your devotion then
    you weren’t all that devoted, and the foundation you built those ideals on were
    shaky to begin with.

  • Christian

    No, really there’s no issue if they don’t demand to get married in our churches or use our services. Problem is they want their cake and eat it too! We aren’t saying they can’t be homosexuals and live a life of sin, but by our religious beliefs we can’t participate in your sins. We are saying don’t force your beliefs on us and we won’t force ours on you! This is sheer stupidity at its best-a couple loses their livelihood, freedom of religion, freedom to reserve right to refuse service, civil protection (they’ve been physically and verbally attacked but can’t do anything about it!) and now freedom of speech simply because some loud homosexuals want to wage a civil war. This is crazy! It’s not the land of the free anymore. Free speech only exists if you like what I have to say these days. Are you going to file a lawsuit against me now because I offended you and you have found a sympathetic lesbian judge????

    And not everyone who is against same sex marriage is Christian-hello! Muslims don’t back it either and what about atheists or other people that don’t support it? Hmmmm? This has nothing to do with homosexuality and everything to do with Christianity. It is an attack on Christianity plain and simple and if anyone follows the news on anything pro-life, pro-family or same-sex marriage you see one common thread-people bash Christians and call them bigots, hate mongorers and hypocrites but those same people making the claims are actually describing themselves! I could go on and on for hours about the hypocrisy in each stance. But why bother because I’m pretty sure you’re already thinking up plenty of nasty names to call me and expletives to use with them.

    You want me to stay out of your bedroom, hands off your [email protected]@ etc? Then stay out of my churches and businesses!!!!!!!