New Hampshire Defunds Planned Parenthood

No Planned ParenthoodCONCORD, N.H. — Officials in the state of New Hampshire have voted to defund the abortion giant Planned Parenthood on Wednesday, canceling its $650,000 contract.

The 3-2 party line vote by the State Executive Council comes as a result of a series of videos released by the Center for Medical Progress, showing that the organization harvests the organs of aborted babies donated by their mothers, and sells them to scientific companies who pay the organization for the body parts.

The majority vote comes despite objections from Gov. Mary Hassan, who also released a statement decrying the decision.

“The council’s vote to defund Planned Parenthood will hurt the health and economic well-being of thousands of Granite Staters,” she said. “Moving forward, I will continue to fight to ensure that women and families have access to the important health services that are essential to the economic security and vitality of our families.”

But the the State Executive Council is calling for an investigation into Planned Parenthood, and the Republican State Committee is backing the proposition. The Committee is also requesting that funding be reallocated to other women’s health organizations.

“The appalling videos showing Planned Parenthood executives discussing the sale of human body parts have raised serious and legitimate concerns,” said Chair Jennifer Horn in a statement. “Instead of calling for an investigation of Planned Parenthood’s potentially criminal activity, Governor Hassan has turned a blind eye to this controversy and tried to give more taxpayer dollars to this scandal-plagued organization.”

“It’s time for Governor Hassan to put politics aside and work with the Commissioner of Health and Human Services and the Executive Council to identify alternative health care providers to cover the services that were included in this contract,” she stated.

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The legal organization Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) also applauded the council for its move.

“The people of New Hampshire should not be forced to fund a billion-dollar corporation that was caught on camera negotiating the sale of baby body parts,” said ADF Senior Counsel Casey Mattox. “The New Hampshire Executive Council should therefore be commended for ending the use of state taxpayer dollars for such barbarism.”

“No one should miss the horrific reality of what Planned Parenthood does behind closed doors, as revealed in the recently released undercover videos,” he continued. “Our tax dollars should fund local public health clinics, not corporate welfare for Planned Parenthood. We join the call … for New Hampshire’s attorney general to thoroughly investigate Planned Parenthood.”

The state of New Hampshire has contracts with Planned Parenthood of Northern New England in the amount of $385,000; Planned Parenthood NNE-Claremont in the amount of $253,900; Weeks Medical Center in the amount of $117,100; Joan Lovering Health Center in the amount of $134,200; and Concord Feminist Health Center in the amount of $179,800.


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  • Peter Leh

    as is required by law, presently.

    • Names_Stan

      That, and they may have been trying to infer even more:

      >>>”students are educated to think about life’s most important issues with clarity, wisdom, and a deep understanding of the foundational commitments of the historic Christian faith”<<<

      Sometimes when terms like "traditional" and "historic" are used, it is to imply "we don't play the Pharisaical fundamentalist card around here, since it was invented less than 200 years ago and has very little basis in history or tradition".

      I could be over-thinking it, but I know for a fact some denominations stress the words for this reason of not wanting to be connected to the uber-judgmental.

  • Princess Sheilyia

    They should offer the same benefits to the single as well. Same-sex addicts are no more “married” than a dog is “married” to a fire hydrant. Why should these mentally ill singles benefit when other singles aren’t able?

    • SFBruce

      For one thing, these benefits generally go to the spouse of the student or employee, so the whole idea is nonsensical. Fire hydrants don’t really need health insurance.

      • Princess Sheilyia

        No, fire hydrants don’t need health insurance and neither does a pretend same-sex addicted “spouse”. Singles should pay for their playmates’ insurance.

        • SFBruce

          They’re not single. You don’t have to like it, but same sex marriage is now the law of the land. Using inflammatory language about LGBT people and their relationships won’t change that.

          • Princess Sheilyia

            I’m really not concerned about how inflamed same-sex addicts become. They are not married.

          • SFBruce

            In the eyes of the law, they are married. Now, I’m going to go do something a little more productive.

          • Princess Sheilyia

            The law is not the Creator of life, sorry, same-sex addicts are only able to pretend. Laws change, God does not. Do find yourself something to do. Read the Bible. It will help you if you let it.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            In the eyes of the law, black people and Jews were once sub-human.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            In the eyes of sinful man/women yes they are. But , in the eyes of God they are NOT married . In God I trust. Not in sinful man/woman.

          • StereoMan

            Yes. They are married. In every sense of the word.

          • Princess Sheilyia

            Actually, they are not and never will be.

          • StereoMan

            Well, maybe you should stop being a sore loser. In the eyes of the law they are married. Nothing else matters.

          • Princess Sheilyia

            God matters and He wins. The losers will be the ones pretending themselves into a lake of fire. Same-sex addicts are not married….coddled, yes, but married, no.

          • Taussig

            your god only matters to you

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Laws don’t have eyes. But, God does, and you should remember it. 🙂

          • DNelson

            “They are not married.”

            If you believe that to be true, then you should have no issue with the recent change in the law, should you?

          • Princess Sheilyia

            Of course, I do. Resources are being wasted on those who want to play house. The fight against it will continue! Thanks!

          • DNelson

            “Resources are being wasted on those who want to play house. ”

            What resources are those and in what way are they wasted?

            “The fight against it will continue!”

            How will that fight be fought? Are you suggesting that you will put resources into a fight to make same-gender marriage illegal? That would certainly be a waste, since it is not possible.

          • Princess Sheilyia

            You already know what resources are being wasted. Laws change so anything is possible. If you did not think so, you wouldn’t be asking these questions, would you? You are dismissed!

            Here’s a gift:

            Leviticus 18:22-23 — You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. (NKJV)

            Leviticus 20:13 — If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJV)

            Romans 1:22-32 — Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (NKJV)

            Deuteronomy 22:5 — “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God. (NKJV)

            1 Corinthians 6:18-20 — Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

            1 Corinthians 6:9-11 — Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

            1 Corinthians 5:9-11 — I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner— not even to eat with such a person.

            James 4:7- Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

            Mark 5:8
            For He had been saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
            Proverbs 14:7New King James Version (NKJV)
            7 Go from the presence of a foolish man,
            When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.

          • DNelson

            So you can’t cite what resources you are talking about and in what way they are being wasted. Got it. Thanks

          • Princess Sheilyia

            I do not have to do a thing for you. Most people with common sense know exactly what I am talking about. For those of you that do not; Google is your friend. Got it? Good!

            Leviticus 18:22-23 — You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. (NKJV)

            Leviticus 20:13 — If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJV)

            Romans 1:22-32 — Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (NKJV)

            Deuteronomy 22:5 — “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God. (NKJV)

            1 Corinthians 6:18-20 — Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

            1 Corinthians 6:9-11 — Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

            1 Corinthians 5:9-11 — I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner— not even to eat with such a person.

            James 4:7- Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

            Mark 5:8
            For He had been saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
            Proverbs 14:7New King James Version (NKJV)
            7 Go from the presence of a foolish man,
            When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.

          • DNelson

            If you can’t back up your claims, then you can’t. No worries. It is hallmark of many people that they are quick to make claims, and woefully lacking in actually backing them up.

          • Princess Sheilyia

            I do not have to back up anything with YOU. You only want to play games and are not worth the effort. You can accept that or not. No worries, at all. You were dismissed. Here’s something you can focus on instead of trying to sell sin.

            Leviticus 18:22-23 — You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. (NKJV)

            Leviticus 20:13 — If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJV)

            Romans 1:22-32 — Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (NKJV)

            Deuteronomy 22:5 — “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God. (NKJV)

            1 Corinthians 6:18-20 — Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

            1 Corinthians 6:9-11 — Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

            1 Corinthians 5:9-11 — I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner— not even to eat with such a person.

            James 4:7- Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

            Mark 5:8
            For He had been saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
            Proverbs 14:7New King James Version (NKJV)
            7 Go from the presence of a foolish man,
            When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.

          • DNelson

            If you prefer to make statements that you are unwilling to back up, that is certainly your choice. It results in your statements having no validity.

          • Princess Sheilyia

            Validity comes from Christ. You do not align with the Word, therefore anything you have to say equals nothing. Do stop wasting my time and troll someone else.

            Leviticus 18:22-23 — You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. (NKJV)

            Leviticus 20:13 — If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJV)

            Romans 1:22-32 — Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (NKJV)

            Deuteronomy 22:5 — “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God. (NKJV)

            1 Corinthians 6:18-20 — Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

            1 Corinthians 6:9-11 — Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

            1 Corinthians 5:9-11 — I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner— not even to eat with such a person.

            James 4:7- Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

            Mark 5:8
            For He had been saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
            Proverbs 14:7New King James Version (NKJV)
            7 Go from the presence of a foolish man,
            When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.

          • DNelson

            “Validity comes from Christ.”

            You are certainly free to believe that if you choose. With that said, the validity of our laws comes from the Constitution. Not the Bible.

          • Princess Sheilyia

            Bye bye!

            Leviticus 18:22-23 — You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. (NKJV)

            Leviticus 20:13 — If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJV)

            Romans 1:22-32 — Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (NKJV)

            Deuteronomy 22:5 — “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God. (NKJV)

            1 Corinthians 6:18-20 — Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

            1 Corinthians 6:9-11 — Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

            1 Corinthians 5:9-11 — I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner— not even to eat with such a person.

            James 4:7- Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

            Mark 5:8
            For He had been saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
            Proverbs 14:7New King James Version (NKJV)
            7 Go from the presence of a foolish man,
            When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.

          • MarcoPolo

            You know Sodom and Gammorah were destroyed for being inhospitable. By your tone of dismissal, it sounds as if you are guilty of the same thing.

          • Taussig

            we look forward to you wasting your time and money

    • bowie1

      Single employees probably have the same benefits anyway, which usually is about the coverage of prescription drugs and basic dental. There may a difference in the premiums between the single and married couples. I suppose that’s why same sex couples would like to have “married” benefits in case not both of them are employees.

      • Princess Sheilyia

        The problem is that they really aren’t “married”. They get to pretend with the backing of a junky law while other singles are told to suck it up buttercup.

        • Taussig

          continue deluding yourself sheshe…….oppressed much?

        • amostpolitedebate

          I’m not seeing how couple X’s relationship status affects couple Y’s. If they don’t like couple X’s relationship they can just ignore it.

    • DNelson

      How would they offer spousal benefits to a person who is not married?

      • Princess Sheilyia

        If mentally ill singles are allowed to carry their buddies on their insurance, sane singles should be able to sign their friends up too. Same-sex addicted do not “marry”, they pretend with the government’s help.

        • DNelson

          ” sane singles should be able to sign their friends up too. ”

          As long as they enter into civil marriage, they are free do.

          • Princess Sheilyia

            Yes, a man marrying a woman.

          • DNelson

            Or a man marrying a man or a woman marrying a woman, as the article clearly states.

          • Princess Sheilyia

            Sorry, play “marriage” of the deluded are not recognized.

            Leviticus 18:22-23 — You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. (NKJV)

            Leviticus 20:13 — If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJV)

            Romans 1:22-32 — Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (NKJV)

            Deuteronomy 22:5 — “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God. (NKJV)

            1 Corinthians 6:18-20 — Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

            1 Corinthians 6:9-11 — Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

            1 Corinthians 5:9-11 — I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner— not even to eat with such a person.

            James 4:7- Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

            Mark 5:8
            For He had been saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
            Proverbs 14:7New King James Version (NKJV)
            7 Go from the presence of a foolish man,
            When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.

          • DNelson

            “Sorry, play “marriage” of the deluded are not recognized.”

            Perhaps not by you, but same-gender marriage is legally recognized, and obviously recognized by Hope College.

          • Princess Sheilyia

            For now….

          • DNelson

            If you expect that to change, you have absolutely no understanding of how our legal system works. There is no “for now” as long as we continue to operate under our current Constitution.

          • Princess Sheilyia

            Laws can be changed. Troll someone else.

          • DNelson

            But there is no law which specifically allows same-gender marriage. Therefore, there is no law to change. Further, new laws restricting the ability of two citizens to enter into civil marriage cannot be put into place because they have been ruled unconstitutional.

            So, no, there is no “for now”. Sorry.

          • Princess Sheilyia

            Laws can be changed and rulings can be overturned. The fight continues. You will have to deal with it….or not. Your choice.

            Leviticus 18:22-23 — You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. (NKJV)

            Leviticus 20:13 — If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJV)

            Romans 1:22-32 — Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (NKJV)

            Deuteronomy 22:5 — “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God. (NKJV)

            1 Corinthians 6:18-20 — Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

            1 Corinthians 6:9-11 — Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

            1 Corinthians 5:9-11 — I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner— not even to eat with such a person.

            James 4:7- Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

            Mark 5:8
            For He had been saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
            Proverbs 14:7New King James Version (NKJV)
            7 Go from the presence of a foolish man,
            When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.

          • DNelson

            “Laws can be changed”

            The law cannot be changed to disallow two citizens of the same gender from entering into civil marriage. Such laws have already been declared unconstitutional. So that’s not going to happen.

            “rulings can be overturned.”

            The only way for a ruling to be overturned is if an existing law is challenged and comes again before the court. Since there is no law to challenge, there is no way for the ruling to be overturned.

            “The fight continues. You will have to deal with it….or not. Your choice.”

            Your fight is pointless as there is nothing you can do to change the legality of two citizens of the same gender being allowed to enter into civil marriage. You will have to deal with it….or not. Your choice.

            I’m unclear why you continue to quote scripture. Biblical scripture does not serve as a sole basis for our laws. Were you not aware of that?

          • Princess Sheilyia

            Goodbye!

            Leviticus 18:22-23 — You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. (NKJV)

            Leviticus 20:13 — If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJV)

            Romans 1:22-32 — Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (NKJV)

            Deuteronomy 22:5 — “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God. (NKJV)

            1 Corinthians 6:18-20 — Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

            1 Corinthians 6:9-11 — Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

            1 Corinthians 5:9-11 — I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner— not even to eat with such a person.

            James 4:7- Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

            Mark 5:8
            For He had been saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
            Proverbs 14:7New King James Version (NKJV)
            7 Go from the presence of a foolish man,
            When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.

          • DNelson

            I’m glad you have finally accepted how futile your fight is. Enjoy the day. I hope that you can find another way to channel your energy that more closely aligns with the teachings of Christ – perhaps helping the poor, sick, and needy.

          • Princess Sheilyia

            I only accept this! The fight continues!

            Leviticus 18:22-23 — You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. (NKJV)

            Leviticus 20:13 — If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJV)

            Romans 1:22-32 — Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (NKJV)

            Deuteronomy 22:5 — “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God. (NKJV)

            1 Corinthians 6:18-20 — Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

            1 Corinthians 6:9-11 — Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

            1 Corinthians 5:9-11 — I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner— not even to eat with such a person.

            James 4:7- Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

            Mark 5:8
            For He had been saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
            Proverbs 14:7New King James Version (NKJV)
            7 Go from the presence of a foolish man,
            When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.

          • DNelson

            “I only accept this!”

            I’m glad to hear that you accept that your fight to make same-gender civil marriage illegal is a futile one. I would hate for you to put time and effort into something that is not going to happen.

            Maybe now you can put effort into issues that were actually important to Jesus – like poverty, hunger, sickness, homelessness, etc.,

          • Princess Sheilyia

            Marriage is only between one man and one woman. The fight to overrule fake same-sex addicted “marriage” WILL continue. Do not like it or agree with it…too bad. We are not giving up the effort. It is interesting that it is so important to you that we do. You are not concerned about Jesus or anyone else. You are satan’s puppet. Go and troll someone else or are you unable to understand that you offer nothing if your words do not align with God? You and your ilk do have boundary issues, much like those God destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah.

            Leviticus 18:22-23 — You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. (NKJV)

            Leviticus 20:13 — If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJV)

            Romans 1:22-32 — Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (NKJV)

            Deuteronomy 22:5 — “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God. (NKJV)

            1 Corinthians 6:18-20 — Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

            1 Corinthians 6:9-11 — Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

            1 Corinthians 5:9-11 — I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner— not even to eat with such a person.

            James 4:7- Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

            Mark 5:8
            For He had been saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
            Proverbs 14:7New King James Version (NKJV)
            7 Go from the presence of a foolish man,
            When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.

          • DNelson

            “Marriage is only between one man and one woman.”

            Since two people of the same gender are allowed to enter into civil marriage, your statement is false.

            “The fight to overrule fake same-sex addicted “marriage” WILL continue.”

            There is way to overrule it. There is no law to challenge, therefore there is no case to bring before the court. Therefore there is no way to overrule the ruling the SCOTUS on the matter.

            “It is interesting that it is so important to you that we do.”

            You are free to put effort into whatever you care to. It’s not important to me if you want to waste your time seeking a legal outcome that is not achievable. I do, however, think it is unfortunate that time and effort will be put into something that is impossible to achieve when there are so many other things that would benefit from time and effort and that are inline with the teachings of Jesus.

            But that is your choice.

          • Taussig

            sure it is….sure it is…love the cut and paste..just another liar for christ

          • Taussig

            good for you but since this isnt a theocracy, your book of fables is about as relevant as cut toe nails

          • Taussig

            and more fantasy quotes…..you are good at this arent you?

          • MarcoPolo

            Princess, You sure waste a lot of column inches!

            Haven’t we heard all this before?

          • Taussig

            love the quote form your book of fables….try seuss next time…I lke him….

          • MarcoPolo

            Jeez! Would you stop with the cut and paste, Princess!
            Your rants don’t mean anything to those who are not of your faith.
            Let people live their lives without your personal scorn and denigration.

          • Taussig

            we see how good you all are at politics with scotus declaring ssm legal in all 50… how is that working out for you

          • Oboehner

            “But there is no law which specifically allows same-gender marriage. Therefore, there is no law …”

          • Taussig

            funny, nobody seems to care whether you recognize these marriages or not..I know I wont lose any sleep over it…yawn…….

        • MarcoPolo

          Your choice of words are confusing, until one reads further, and discovers that you just don’t believe LGBT people exist….and/or deserve marital status benefits.
          Mentally ill? Sex addicts? Just who are you describing?

      • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

        Why just yesterday I spoke to someone who said, “I’m married to myself.” What kind of unkind discriminating bigot do you have to be to discriminate against this poor person just because his marital choice is recursive?

    • amostpolitedebate

      “Same-sex addicts”

      *slow claps*

      That’s a new one. Bravo!

  • Jade

    It will take time, but Christians will look back one day with great sadness for all of the harm they have done to gay human beings. They are unable to realize that the writings of Moses and Paul on homosexuality were their own heterosexual opinions and not the words of God. I hope they will be able to forgive themselves.

    • charlesbuzbee

      Read Romans 1:18-32

    • SFBruce

      Great post. Thanks for giving us something a lot more positive than I was able to do today.

    • All In

      No they won’t. But you will look back on the opportunity God gave you to repent and accept Christ and wish you would have. That’s a guarantee!

      All of scripture is inspired by God Himself. To suggest otherwise shows your desperate attempt to deceive like your father, satan.

    • Henry Dandria

      One of the four gifts attributed to the Apostles is ‘personal infallibility when imposing doctrines on faith or morals .”and Moseswas the law giver for God’s people .Moses and Paul do NOT need to ask to be forgiven for their preaching against homosexuality.

    • Emmanuel

      LOL, I rather trust and believe in what Jesus said about sin, forgiveness of sin and eternal life with God.

    • Names_Stan

      And also “the harm they have done to Christianity”, Jade.

      Sociologists will have millions of megabytes of evidence just like these posts, to connect the loss of the faith with the multitude of posters who delight in passing judgment on people they’ve never even met.

      In the Middle Ages, Pride was the sin that was the root of all the other six Deadly ones. The sheer magnitude of prideful, boastful delusions of grandeur to speak for God, while thrashing others about a lack of conviction of sin, is mind-numbing.

      Have to wonder if Jesus thinks what else He could possibly have done to emphasize the drunken power and lack of self-awareness of the Pharasees.

      I wish more Christians would have the courage to weigh into the fray and call this behavior out. And I wish these websites, who delete posts like this, will realize the impact of championing the kind of attitude they do, through the ones they don’t delete.

      Thank you for your post!

  • sahana64

    They are not Evangelical and need to remove this from their name.

  • StereoMan

    Since the SCOTUS ruling went through, it’s probably time to drop the ‘marriage’ thing and just start calling it what it is – marriage.

    • All In

      No thanks, we’ll just keep calling it sin.

      • Princess Sheilyia

        Amen!

      • StereoMan

        And you’ll end up looking exactly like the people who didn’t allow blacks to dine in white diners years ago. Your call.

        • All In

          Ethnicity and behavior are completely different. You continually grasp at ridiculous straws to try and justify sin. Shows how desperate you are and how foolish your position is.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Indeed! Next thing you know he will whip out some photo-shopped pictures that show “straights-only” diners and gays having fire hoses put on them. 🙂

          • StereoMan

            No photographs necessary. I’ll stick to facts and history.

          • All In

            Are you referring to the facts and history that homosexuality is a sin? That hasn’t changed. The penalty will come due the moment after your last breath.

          • StereoMan

            It’s not a sin, Richard. That’s crazy bigoted hateful talk.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            There are no sins, under a-theism. A-theism is the “anything goes” religion.

          • StereoMan

            I don’t think that’s a very common belief about atheism (not a-theism). At least atheists understand that if two people are in love, you allow it to happen.

          • All In

            Atheists are generally moral relativists – which means anything goes, as WGC has said. Here again you don’t realize it or its implications.

            Logic escapes those who deny truth.

          • StereoMan

            That’s because you can’t conceive of the possibility that good solid moral behavior can exist without God. Which of course it can.

          • 116-unashamed

            You can have good solid moral behavior without God, but the question is, what is ur justification?

            It is a question of epistemology, not ontology

          • StereoMan

            Simply to treat others as I would want to be treated. Simple. No God required.

          • 116-unashamed

            Justification is the question…

            As far as I am aware, A-theists have no justification for any moral objectivity.

            It is a question of epistemology, not ontology

          • StereoMan

            It’s atheist, not a-theist, and if you believe that about atheists, why are they not murdering each other in the streets? Even if you don’t have God, you still have parents to give you morals.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Like genetically? 🙂

          • BackinWpg

            Meaning what?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            He said that we “still have parents to give you morals.” I am asking him how that grounds objective moral values and duties. Because parents tell us so? What about different parents sharing different morals, etc – that kind of thing?

          • StereoMan

            You mean one parent telling you that it’s OK to murder jews by gassing them in gas chambers, and another parent doesn’t? Well, WGC, that doesn’t happen. Ever.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You sure are off today, SM: I was clearly talking about one set of parents sharing certain morals and another set sharing opposite morals, although it IS true that parents sometimes differ widely on the morals they want to teach their children. And where is the objectivity anyway on your thought? You have quite the burden and are appearing most desperate tonight.

            Perhaps you need a vacation from your hate? Especially since you have no objective meaning or purpose to life, under a-theism – why spend so much time online pretending it is meaningful to you? Under your view, you are an accident whose lifespan is maybe 80 years. After that, you cease to exist, and eventually, the universe dies a slow cold death in darkness. Your existence will matter not one whit, so neither did the SCOTUS ruling or any objective purpose, meaning, or morality that you fabricate in order to delude yourself. You may pretend all you want, but you are just deluding yourself.

          • StereoMan

            Well of course if you want to appear smug and self-righteous, of course you’d say that I’m appearing desperate. I’m sipping a glass of wine and don’t have a care in the world, and I’m certainly not interested in what empathy-lacking Christian supremacists have to say about it.

            A vacation from MY hate? Please remind me, which of us is telling homosexuals they should not be allowed to get married? Always seem to have to drive that point home, you and so many others here really like to muddy the waters. My existence already HAS mattered, already DOES matter, and will continue to matter as long as I live on this earth. (There you go again telling me what I think rather than simply asking me…)

            There is no doubt in my mind that it is you who is deluded. And yes, you’re on a Christian forum but hate is hate. It should not be spread. It should be stamped out.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “I’m sipping a glass of wine and don’t have a care in the world”

            Those two things may be related. 🙂 I mean, it’s either get drunk or Prozac on the a-theist view – that is all that makes sense.

            “My existence already HAS mattered, already DOES matter, and will continue to matter as long as I live on this earth.”

            In no way does your existence have any ULTIMATE meaning or purpose under a-theism. There will be no one around to even know you ever existed when the universe dies its slow cold dark death. That is what Dawkins, Provine, and Ruse – and Bertrand Russell understood that you don’t. So, prove them wrong: tell me how your existence matters one whit in any ultimate sense, under a-theism? How will what you did or didn’t do matter as the universe goes into its slow cold dark death? 🙂

          • All In

            Agreed. All of the bluster in the world didn’t save Hitchens. I’ll bet he wishes he would have wised up before he met God face to face the moment after his last breath.

            Nothing matters on earth without God.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I felt so sorry for Hitchens: I saw him in his debate with WLC and, even though he did not make good arguments, he was funny and was trying to grapple a little bit with what Craig was nailing him on. He would have made a good Saul-to-Paul, but he had hardened his heart so much, he did not have a chance. 🙁

            “Nothing matters on earth without God.”

            So true! There are no objective grounds for meaning or purpose or moral values or duties or truth or anything, if God does not exist. The a-theist life is truly absurd – I lived it long enough, sadly, to know for sure.

          • All In

            Yep, truly sad. And now Hitchens’s only opportunity for eternal paradise is lost. His destiny is permanently set. That’s the real tragedy…another one duped by satan.

            > The a-theist life is truly absurd…

            AMEN!!

          • StereoMan

            Yep, that’s right, because all atheists are on drugs and booze. I wonder if you listen to yourself sometimes.

            “In no way does your existence have any ULTIMATE meaning or purpose under a-theism.”

            Of course it does. Under atheism (not a-theism) or any worldview you’d care to name. I affect people’s lives in my daily routine and those I encounter affect me.

            “There will be no one around to even know you ever existed when the universe dies its slow cold dark death.”

            So? Who wants to live forever? Sounds like a fun hereafter, singing praises to Jesus nonstop.

            “That is what Dawkins, Provine, and Ruse – and Bertrand Russell understood that you don’t.”

            Well, as we’ve beaten the dead horse more times than any reasonable person would care to admit, I’m going to be very clear about this. You are misrepresenting the words of Dawkins. You don’t understand what he meant, and you continue to perpetuate a falsehood. Because I know for a fact that Richard Dawkins values his own life very highly as well, I’ve heard him speak extensively about it. That you don’t understand how he can is really something you need to work out for yourself. Your embracing of Christianity has killed all sense of empathy within yourself. Your existence is pointless without God (as I’m sure you’d admit yourself) but that isn’t virtuous. That’s insanity.

            “How will what you did or didn’t do matter as the universe goes into its slow cold dark death?”

            I will have had an enjoyable life. I don’t need anything beyond that. I fully expect to be forgotten.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Under atheism (not a-theism) or any worldview you’d care to name. I affect people’s lives in my daily routine and those I encounter affect me.”

            But those things do not matter in any ultimate sense. They might matter for a few days or years or even decades. But, when the universe begins its slow cold dark death, what you did here is absolutely meaningless – actually LONG before that happens.

            “So? Who wants to live forever? Sounds like a fun hereafter, singing praises to Jesus nonstop.”

            Well, it will be a “little” bit more interesting than that, with a redeemed universe to explore and all, and an amazing God to learn more and more about each day. But, no one is forcing you into Heaven against your will. On the other hand, we would love to have another Saul-to-Paul there. 🙂 You at least seem open to the possibility of searching for the truth – wherever the evidence falls. And, for that, I commend you.

            “You are misrepresenting the words of Dawkins.”

            Not at all. And what about Provine and Ruse and Russell?!? 🙂

            “Your embracing of Christianity has killed all sense of empathy within yourself.”

            I have more empathy for pre-born babies than you do. It almost sounds like you worship Dawkins – the one who said it would be immoral to NOT abort a Down Syndrome child. Some “empathy.”

            “I will have had an enjoyable life. I don’t need anything beyond that. I fully expect to be forgotten.”

            Great – thank you for admitting that your life has no OBJECTIVE meaning or purpose. 🙂

          • StereoMan

            “But, when the universe begins its slow cold dark death, what you did here is absolutely meaningless – actually LONG before that happens.”

            How could it be otherwise? With a God how does my life acquire any more meaning than it already has? I have family to matter, friends who matter, activities that matter. Just because they don’t matter forever doesn’t mean anything. That’s enough, and that’s beautiful, and meaningful, and perfect.

            “Not at all. And what about Provine and Ruse and Russell?!? :-)”

            I don’t remember their quotes anymore, I disproved them ages ago and forgot about them. I recall you had misrepresented at least two of them.

            “I have more empathy for pre-born babies than you do. It almost sounds like you worship Dawkins – the one who said it would be immoral to NOT abort a Down Syndrome child. Some “empathy.””

            I’m not going to talk about my feelings on abortion. You know this very well, and despite what you think you do NOT know my position on it. Sorry. Thanks for playing.

            “Great – thank you for admitting that your life has no OBJECTIVE meaning or purpose. :-)”

            Thanks again for telling me what I think rather than asking me. I swear, it’s pathological with you.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “How could it be otherwise? With a God how does my life acquire any more meaning than it already has?”

            Well, under Christian theism, your objective purpose is to know, love, and serve your Creator and Sustainer to Whom you owe everything, including your continued existence. Your life has objective meaning not because you made up some meaning arbitrarily (like sky diving or painting or whatever), but because God has actually created you to have meaning in glorifying Him through your activities, for which you are called to choose carefully and wisely and with His guidance.

            In the mere creation of you, He has given you meaning. If you are merely an accident, as under a-theism, and if the universe is a cosmic accident, then, clearly there is no objective meaning or purpose to the universe or your life.

            “Just because they don’t matter forever doesn’t mean anything. That’s enough, and that’s beautiful, and meaningful, and perfect.”

            No, it’s actually delusional. It’s just a pretend meaning, when, in actuality, by the fact that the universe is an accident with no purpose or meaning and one that will die in a slow cold dark manner, you and your family do not matter in any objective or ultimate sense, under a-theism. Won’t matter one whit whether you and your family existed or not – not in any ultimate sense. Nothing beautiful or perfect about it: depressing absurdism – that’s it. You can make something up and pretend it is objective or happy, but you are just deluding yourself in order to make it through the day.

            “I don’t remember their quotes anymore”

            For your viewing pleasure:

            “Let me summarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear — and these are basically Darwin’s views. There are no gods, no purposes, and no goal-directed forces of any kind. There is no life after death. When I die, I am absolutely certain that I am going to be dead. That’s the end of me. There is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning in life, and no free will for humans, either.” A-theist William Provine

            “The position of the modern evolutionist is that humans have an awareness of morality because such an awareness of biological worth. Morality is a biological adaptation no less than are hands and feet and teeth. Considered as a rationally justifiable set of claims about an objective something, ethics is illusory. I appreciate when someone says, ‘Love thy neighbor as thyself,’ they think they are referring above and beyond
            themselves. Nevertheless, such reference is truly without foundation. Morality is just an aid to survival and reproduction, . . . and any deeper meaning is illusory.” (Michael Ruse, “Evolutionary Theory and Christian Ethics,” in The Darwinian Paradigm (London: Routledge, 1989), pp. 262-269).

            “I’m not going to talk about my feelings on abortion.”

            Well, then, at least talk about Dawkin’s feelings on aborting Down Syndrome babies – I mean that is despicable, no?!?

            “Thanks again for telling me what I think rather than asking me. I swear, it’s pathological with you.”

            Well, you said you will have had an enjoyable life and that you knew you would be forgotten. That proved my point, no?

          • 116-unashamed

            Please, just answer the question…

            Justification is the question…

            As far as I am aware, Atheists have no justification for any moral objectivity.

            It is a question of epistemology, not ontology

          • StereoMan

            I possess empathy. I know how I would like to be treated by others, which is why I treat others that same way. God is NOT required.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Then why are you a pro-abort? Do you wish you had been aborted?

          • StereoMan

            I have never stated an opinion here regarding abortion, and never will. Taunt away, this it the thirteenth time you’ve tried this. It’s not going to work.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            16th, but who is counting. 🙂 You won’t state your opinion, because we BOTH know what it is! 🙂

          • StereoMan

            Third instance today of you telling me what I believe rather than asking. It’s really a problem for you, isn’t it?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Well, we know this: there is a 97% chance you are a pro-abort. We also know that if you were NOT a pro-abort, you would not be ashamed to answer the question – there would be no good reason not to.

            But, we also know that if you are a pro-abort, it would reflect poorly on your moral compass AND you know that I would destroy you (metaphorically only) in an abortion debate. I say so humbly. 🙂 That aside, I really do like engaging with you.

            Abortion is the Achilles Heel of a-theism. It shows precisely why they would be on the wrong side of slavery and Jew gassing, because it is all about might makes right. There are many things in common with the 3 atrocities.

          • StereoMan

            “Well, we know this: there is a 97% chance you are a pro-abort.”

            How can you know this, when for weeks now I’ve flatly refused to discuss the matter? All you have is a guess. Much like your faith, in fact.

            “We also know that if you were NOT a pro-abort, you would not be ashamed to answer the question.”

            I’m not ashamed. Again, you should ask me what I believe rather than telling me. It’s got nothing to do with that. It’s irrelevant, and I’ve been pulled down far too many rabbit holes by you. You need to be reined in and kept on topic.

            “But, we also know that if you are a pro-abort, it would reflect poorly on your moral compass AND you know that I would destroy you”

            What it comes right down to is that you KNOW nothing at all. But you’re extremely fond of TELLING people what you THINK they believe. Which is, of course, worthless.

            “Abortion is the Achilles Heel of a-theism.”

            And with that, I must shut you down for the umpteenth time. Not relevant. Not discussing it.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “How can you know this, when for weeks now I’ve flatly refused to discuss the matter?”

            It is based on the a priori probability that 97% of a-theists are pro-aborts. Nothing specific about you personally, except for your reluctance to engage on it. (Frankly, you are wise to not engage on it: I am better at debating abortion than I am on philosophical arguments for the existence of God. I say this humbly. :-))

            “Much like your faith, in fact.”

            I hear this a lot from those who are not theists, and I am really surprised by it because it is a mis-understanding of the word “faith” in the Bible, which actually would be better translated as “trust.” Christian faith goes like this: you are in need of a serious surgery. You investigate all the best surgeons in that field around the country and pick those you believe to be the top 3. You interview them and decide on the one you believe is the best. On the morning of the surgery, you get to the hospital early to fill out the forms. One of these forms is the authorization for the surgeon to operate on you. When you sign that form, it is then that you have placed your trust (faith) in that surgeon. In Christianity, the Surgeon is Jesus.

            “You need to be reined in and kept on topic.”

            I have to admit – that is impossible. 🙂 But, truer words were never spoken by you. 🙂 What can I say? I love the God I denied for 42 years!

            “And with that, I must shut you down for the umpteenth time.”

            I think we are getting close to 20 actually. 🙂

          • Taussig

            LOL!

          • All In

            No it can’t! Your behavior is a great example of that. But thanks for making the foolishness of moral relativism so obvious.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Indeed. He is not as “good” an a-theist now as I was in my a-theist days. He has not yet connected the dots, and may not until the afterlife if he doesn’t get busy searching for Truth.

          • SoundMind

            Alas, there won’t be any activity books in the pit down under for losers to play connect-the-dots. Unrepentant homosexual choosers will, instead, be set up as targets for demons who’re throwing darts and arrows at them.

          • All In

            Yes, it is Paul. It’s a sin against God Himself for which He will exact justice. As usual, you just deny it. But as I keep telling you, that doesn’t negate the reality of God, sin, or the impending judgement and punishment.

            Sticking your head in the sand isn’t a good way to remedy your plight.

          • StereoMan

            I’m not Paul. Thanks for the compliment, though. Boy, was he ever good at humiliating you.

          • All In

            Lol the only one Paul humiliated was himself. Getting banned many times is a good indication of his character.

          • StereoMan

            Not true. You continually dodged his questions and never gave him a straight answer to any challenge he sent your way. You never once answered his question about if you chose to be attracted to the opposite sex because if you did, he could rightly tell you that no one chooses to be gay, which they don’t.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You sound like you know Paul VERY well. 🙂

          • All In

            LOL – I always answered his questions. He just didn’t like my answers because they made his questions look silly.

            You and he are similar in your denial, hatred of the truth, dogmatic assertions, no proof, illogic, and silly questions. I suspect….

          • StereoMan

            Oh, how embarrassed I was for you in those cases. He’s corner you, you’d weasel out (or just refuse to answer)…and on it went. I hope he comes back. He was great.

          • All In

            Sure. Only in your mind. There’s a reason he’s been banned many times, as you have.

          • StereoMan

            As have you. And you have been publicly spanked by the mods here. Don’t try to deny it, I have a screenshot.

          • All In

            The only thing I was asked was to stop unmasking regular trolls. I’ve never been banned, as you have.

          • StereoMan

            You were banned, Richard, and it’s embarrassing watching you deny it. It was confirmed. Publicly.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I think they are the same person. You will notice that when one posts, the other goes away and vice versa. Not watch him try to switch back and forth quickly between screen names. 🙂

          • All In

            Yep, it’s not hard to see what’s going on.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Oh, there are lots like that around!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You missed Princess Sheilyia’s destruction of many false arguments tonight, LadyGreenEyes! Not much left for you to mop up. 🙂

            “The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.” — 2 Corinthians 10:4-5

            Great to see you!

          • LadyGreenEyes

            I got that idea! Looked like some quite neat sweeping up she did there. Nice to see!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I must say how encouraging it is to see strong godly women like you and Princess Sheilyia and so many other women out here taking part in the spiritual war! The Church needs more women with your boldness, and frankly, we need a lot more men with it too! God bless!

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Appreciated, and yes, we do, for both! Too many these days prefer to “fit in” over speaking the truth. It’s been quite enjoyable reading all of your comments as well. Quite on target!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Well, you gals are the Corrie ten Booms and Harriet Tubmans of our day – leading those who are willing to follow you to the freedom that only Christ Jesus can deliver – keep up the great work!

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Way too much flattery there! Appreciated,, though!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Maybe so, but it is really near impossible to flatter a woman of courage too much. Have you made many enemies for speaking out for the Lord Jesus?

          • The Last Trump

            Actually, THIS ONE is Pine not Paul. You remember MisterPine, don’t you? Kept getting his hateful, bigoted and intolerant posts deleted until he finally was banned? Yeah, came right back as “StereoMan” and pretended to be a newcomer who “happened” to hear about us through the fascist hate site FSTDT dot com that he, HIMSELF, was submitting posts to!?

            Hee, hee! Gotta love these trolls! 🙂
            He actually really took a liking to Paul and followed him around all starry eyed until he, TOO, had all of his comments deleted and was ultimately banned. Go figure. Birds of a feather and all that …

          • StereoMan

            Pine, you say?
            Nope. Doesn’t ring a bell.

          • All In

            They are all one and the same, if not in person, in character and eternal destination if they don’t repent and accept Christ. They’ve been warned plenty of times by many people. They are without excuse.

          • StereoMan

            “Boy oh boy are you going to get it when your father gets home!”

            Save it.

          • StereoMan

            Bigotry is the issue, but you’re too close to it to recognize it. This is simple basic human rights. And the human rights you are choosing to deny are for people whose lives don’t affect you in the slightest. It’s bigotry 101.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            And, now for the name-calling. Waiting, waiting, … how long until you get the “bigot” award?!? 🙂

          • StereoMan

            Hasn’t he received that award from SO many others already?

          • The Last Trump

            You rang?

            Ooops! Sorry!
            Thought StereoMan was beckoning me. AGAIN. 🙂

          • StereoMan

            How Pavlovian.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Haha – All In, you are bringing your A-game again!

        • StereoMan

          Oh, he NEVER does that.

  • FoJC_Forever

    False religion is a house of cards. The winds of a perverted culture will blow it down easily.

    • BarkingDawg

      Just keep telling yourself that.

      • FoJC_Forever

        Move along troll.

  • BarkingDawg

    Good for them

    They are joining the rest of the civilized nation

    • All In

      You mean sinfulized nation. That is true.

      BTW, there is nothing civilized or revolutionary about sin. It’s as old as mankind.

  • LadyGreenEyes

    They need to stop calling themselves a Christian college.

    • http://youtu.be/KcGsWVKtiuM Dr. Johnny Fever

      How can they in good conscience do this? Please, tell me.

      • LadyGreenEyes

        They can’t. I feel for the kids attending, that have been sold out for this!

        • http://youtu.be/KcGsWVKtiuM Dr. Johnny Fever

          Colleges and universities have always been library. But now, I don’t know what would describe them.

  • sammy13

    Anything for the tax exemption!

  • Nidalap

    Well, when the music plays and the cymbals crash, there’s always someone who will bow…

  • Reason2012

    Now we know why there will be many that call Jesus “Lord” but will be cast out. Teaching others to disobey God and promote that disobedience? And we then expect to be accepted by God/Jesus?

    Matthew 7:19-24 “[Jesus said] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. (20) Wherefore [therefore] by their fruits ye shall know them.
    (21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    (22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
    (24) Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: …”

    Beware the false churches that teach disobedience to God and mock God – they are being led by false teachers and we’re told to beware of them. Few there be that find eternal life. FEW!

    Matthew 7:13-16 “[Jesus said] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: (14) Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
    (15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (16) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?”

    Is a “pastor/prophet” teaching to ignore God’s Word, and make a mockery of what God says? They LOOK like you, like a sheep (a Christian / pastor) but they are really ravening wolves there to devour your chances at eternal life. How can you tell? By their fruits we shall know them: They teach that God’s Word is false and that God now accepts homosexual behavior and the destruction of what God defined; marriage.

    Flee from such churches and false teachers and get into a Bible-believing Church!

    Live forever!

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      That right there is how it’s done – thank you!

      • Reason2012

        I’m glad it was a blessing – feel free to copy and paste elsewhere: people must start hearing the truth. May God Bless!

    • So Good!

      You lost.

      • Reason2012

        The moment a person comes to faith in Christ, they won eternal life. Until that time, we have so sorely lost and will not see life.

        John 3:35-36 “The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. (36) He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”

        The political topics here are of little importance to our eternal destiny – but we speak God’s truth on them anyway and in the end all will face His judgment.

  • Dave_L

    If they extend benefits to divorced and remarried couples, they should do the same for other couples living in sin.

  • So Good!

    Good! No one is harmed, folks are treated as they should be, and if you don’t like it, don’t attend the school.

    Anyone angry at this is just a fool.

    • TedCBlast

      Amen!

  • SoundMind

    I don’t care what this article says, this college is not Christian. There is no such thing as a homosexual Christian. Can’t be.