‘I Unite Myself’: ‘Pope’ Calls Muslims ‘Brothers and Sisters’ in Message at St. Patrick’s Cathedral

Cathedral Speech-compressedNEW YORK — During a speech at St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York City on Thursday night, the Roman Catholic pontiff known as Francis offered prayers for his Muslim “brothers and sisters” on the Islamic Feast of Sacrifice following word of a deadly stampede during the annual pilgrimage to Mecca.

“I would like to express two sentiments for my Muslim brothers and sisters,” he began. “First, I send my greetings as they celebrate the Feast of Sacrifice [Eid al-Adha]. I would have my greeting to have been warmer. My sentiments are closeness.”

“I am close to them in the face of tragedy, the tragedy they suffered in Mecca,” Francis continued. “In this moment, I give assurances in their prayers. I unite myself with you all in prayer to Almighty God, all merciful.”

Approximately 700 people were killed yesterday and nearly 1,000 more injured during a ritual in Saudi Arabia called “stoning the devil,” during which participants throw stones at three pillars in a reenactment of Abraham’s alleged stoning of the devil to avoid temptation—according to Muslim tradition. During the ritual, the large crowds began to surge and some fell and were trampled to death.

Stampedes have occurred during the pilgrimage in years past with hundreds being killed, but Thursday’s incident is considered to be the deadliest since 1990.

Jorge Bergoglio, who was selected as the leader of the world’s 1.2 billion Roman Catholics in 2013, has expressed a desire for ecumenicism toward Muslims from the beginning of his tenure, issuing greetings during Muslim holy days.

“Turning to mutual respect in inter-religious relations, especially between Christians and Muslims, we are called to respect the religion of the other, its teachings, its symbols, its values,” he wrote in a 2013 statement during Ramadan.

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The pontiff also met with Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, the secretary general of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), later that year and visited Turkey’s Blue Mosque last November, expressing reverence during a moment of prayer observed by the nation’s grand mufti, who led him on a tour of the Islamic facility.

Mike Gendron of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries of Plano, Texas notes that harmony with Muslims is consistent with Roman Catholic doctrine.

“The Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 841, reads, ‘The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims … together with us they adore the one, merciful God,’” he told Christian News Network. “This is a blatant rejection of the teachings of Christ, who declared He is the only way to the Father. Those who do not believe Jesus is God will die in their sins.”

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  • MamaBear

    No disrespect meant to the Pope, but wouldn’t it be better if he were to seek unity with the thousands of African Christians who are being displaced, murdered, and kidnapped into slavery by Muslims, just because they are Christians? And with the thousands of refugees and murdered Christians of the Middle East?

    • Tyler Mitchell

      You’re implying that the Pope actually does care about the poor.He and his elk have a much bigger agenda(false prophet)

      • Josey

        That speech of his was the same ole’ rhetoric he was spouting when he was a cardinal in Argentina and look at the poverty in that Country and that speech put me to sleep. I have no idea why john boehner was crying, I didn’t feel any emotion coming from his speech, what a dog and pony show that was. Yes, the Pope sounded all sweet like honey but swallowing anything he has to say would turn the stomach sour and sadly many are blinded and swallowing it, may God wake the people up before it’s too late. Come Lord Jesus, Come.

        • Names_Stan

          Obsessive anger aside, where do you get your information on how awful things are in Argentina?

          They are a highly developing member of the G-20 and place 30th on the Happiness Index, ahead of France, Spain, South Korea, Japan and many others. We’re only 15 spots ahead of them ourselves.

          Not that a cardinal is responsible for any of this. No more than the cardinal in New York determines our economic health.

          But what’s a day here without another negative sweeping generalization…

          • Shirley temple dancer


          • Names_Stan

            Yep, a quick Google search will provide you all the information you need.

            It can help with the stuck All-Caps key as well. 🙂

        • Nathan Z Solomon

          God doesn’t always work through someone. Sometimes God simply works in the right circumstances. Perhaps Mr. Boehner, who was the one who invited the Pope to speak in the first place, opened his heart to hear God and God spoke to him and him alone…and not through the Pope. God does that from time to time. 🙂

      • julie dedes

        ……………he has only one step left to obtain the kingdom by flattery, just waiting, just watching,,,,,,,,,, the papacy is close, real close to taking the kingdom akka Jerusalem mount,,,,, I look at the pope, then I look in the other direction towards my Bible and find comfort that the Lord had this agenda planned, We must be aware that the Lord is shifting this, and the events are his own doing. For they have all rejected the Lord from reigning over them, He (the Lord) will give them the most filthy prophet and leader………….

        • Shirley temple dancer

          Well we got the leader and what I heard from Francis I would
          say prophecy is being fulfilled. Get right with Jesus.
          Jesus only was/is infallible not a ordinary man like Francis

      • BroVinny

        “He and his elk”? Oh deer.

        • Abigail Bush

          This was funny. I laughed aloud! Thanks for correcting the wrong spelling of “ilk” in a very humorous way.

        • Michael Todd

          You’re just being hart-less.

      • Christi Blase

        Very true, Tyler. Although some people think he is the anti-Christ himself. Have you seen the newest article by Huffington Post about how the pope wants to be the leader of the world? Google “Pope Francis Wants To Be President Of The World” to read the article.

    • The Ranger

      Would that be political correct with the many, many Muslims in the Washington DC. area. Most people don’t realize how many there are. Keep the Mexicans send back the Muslims.

      • http://facebook.com/AnnInquirer Ann Inquirer

        I don’t want either illegals, but I agree.

  • Wayne McLaw

    the pope is a wolf in ship clothing he don’t believe in the scripture he is the antichrist himself don’t be trick by his sweet words he is a jesuit the jesuit a very crafty and heartless they act as servants to become spies he is the devil right hand man trying to unite the world in a false system of babylon read revelation 17 and revelation 13 and paul talk about him in 2thessalonions

    • Joseph Essien-Obot

      Wow! Another Dan Brown in the offing. Be careful, that world is strictly fiction.

  • Dave_L

    Luther the great Reformer saw both the Papacy and Islam as the Antichrist predicted by Daniel. Daniel predicted the fall of the Roman Empire from which the Kingdom of Antichrist would develop. Luther interpreted the two legs of Daniel’s vision in chapter two as the Papacy and Islam…….

    Taken from Luther on Islam and the Papacy by Dr. Francis Nigel Lee,

    • Lisa

      Its legs of iron and its feet partly of iron, partly of clay? That’s what you’re referring to?

      • Dave_L

        I’m not sure what Luther meant but hope to find out. The thing that caught my attention was his identifying both the Papacy and Islam as the Antichrist. Today they are joining forces and making peace with each other…

        • Lisa

          Well isn’t the pope trying to unite all religions not just islam?

          • Dave_L

            Yes, I believe he is. What caught my eye however was that all of the Reformers had pegged the Papacy as the Antichrist. When Luther included Islam too it sparked my curiosity enough to share it and provoke discussion.

          • Lisa

            But if the pope is uniting all religions not just islam-does it really matter if he saw islam with catholicism?

          • Dave_L

            Yes, I believe it is possible that the Papacy along with Islam could have all other religions united under them, and they are certainly a majority power, especially when combined.

          • Lisa

            I think islam is being used to deflect attention from the vatican who I think pulls the strings in the world.

          • Dave_L

            I believe you are right.

        • Names_Stan

          The question this begs is, what other “two things” would ML have possibly come up with?

          I doubt he was very focused on Buddhism or bicycles. Fact is, Islam and Catholicism ruled the world for thousands of miles in every direction of Central Europe.

          Be assured, if Branch Davidians are in the top two religions 1000 years from now, they will be a “leg”.

          Seems to me if God wanted us focused on geopolitical predictions which we have no control over, rather than living Jesus’ teachings, He would have spelled it out clearly and not in code.

          • Dave_L

            Exactly. However, here is much in history to verify the Reformers are right in identifying the Papacy as the Antichrist. I would say the Papacy is an Antichrist, a big one but other options remain open.

          • Names_Stan

            It won’t surprise you that I have a slightly different view. 🙂

            The main reason Rome is pointed to, and thus the Roman Church, is that Revelation is apocalyptic literature about Rome and the Roman Empire

            Revelation was written to those churches to encourage them to be faithful in the face of persecution at the hands of Domitian, who was thought to be Nero back from the dead.

            The same Nero “whose number is 666”.

            Is it possible there is also hidden secret code for the world of 2000 years later? Sure, it’s possible. But I think most scholars think that has never been the intenton of the book.

            None of the terminology or nations would have understood clear messages to modern day people, so there would have been no purpose in writing in apocalyptic code. If someone was found in possession of Revelation, and a sentence was added like, “Never let the European Union combine”, there would have been no danger. There was simple no such thing.

            No, the book’s in code because it was obviously aimed at present day Christians who couldn’t be caught with a document bad-mouthing emperors.

          • Dave_L

            I agree with most of this in one sense. That is; I believe Revelation is an outline depicting Antichrist regimes, beginning with Nero, and moving on to the next, including the Papacy, as others as they develop. It is called the “Recapitulation theory” if you would like to look further into it. It is essentially Reformed Amillennialism. Interesting discussion….

          • Jim H

            It is interesting to note Nostradamus predicted three antichrists. People who buy into his predictions/prophesies see the first two fulfilled by Napoleon and Hitler.

            Nostradamus appears to suggest that the future third antichrist will come from a region east of the Black Sea. In paragraph #23 of the Epistle he states that “the grand Empire of the Antichrist shall begin in the region of the former empire of Attila” (Attila was the leader of the Asian Huns who invaded Europe during the fifth century).

          • Dave_L


          • Jim H

            “But I think most scholars think that has never been the intenton of the book.”
            I have done a lot of reading and researching and I believe you are correct.
            By the way, your comment was well put.

        • Names_Stan

          By the way, specific to Martin Luther:

          Before giving him any nod to divine knowledge, everyone should know that he predicted the end of the world would be in the year 1600.

          (In my opinion the dynamic at work when people claim special knowledge is generally not fraud. I certainly don’t think Luther had bad intentions.

          The dynamic, however, is egocentrism. People need to feel they matter…lots of them need to feel they seriously matter. So why wouldn’t God choose them to announce the end times? And why would God let them die like a common human, when He could gloriously ascend them through the sky?

          This is the theology of Lahaye & Jenkins…egocentrism)

          • Dave_L

            I’m no big fan of the Reformers although I share some of their views. I thought it interesting that Luther included Islam in the widely held belief that the Papacy was (is) the Antichrist.

          • Names_Stan

            Keep in mind that things in history usually follow Occam’s Razor, once we know the context.

            I would say the probability of him including Islam in his day was above 90%, maybe 99%.

            The Ottoman Empire was in her heyday in the 16th century. Suleiman not only grew the theocracy well into Europe, he even laid siege to Vienna! This was probably about the time that Luther was at the height of his own power and influence.

            The Muslims/Ottomans/Turks, however you want to frame it, would have been far larger on his radar than any country is on ours today in the USA.

            They would arguably be looked upon exactly as Europe looked at Hitler in the late ’30s. There’s no chance they weren’t the Antichrist to him, along with the massive bureaucracy he’d already led the fight away from.

            And that’s the point I often attempt to make. All generations’ tendency is to take scripture and turn it into their own egocentric “universe”. The fact is, lots of people were probably jaded when the world didn’t end in 1600, when Luther said it would.

            No good will come of the modern day prognosticators and their egocentrism either.

          • Dave_L

            I agree.

    • Jim H

      However, the “great reformer” he rejected the Book of Revelation:
      “To my mind it (the book of the Apocalypse) bears upon it no marks of an apostolic or prophetic character… Everyone may form his own judgment of this book; as for myself, I feel an aversion to it, and to me this is sufficient reason for rejecting it.” (ref. ammtliche Werke, 63, pp. 169-170, ‘The Facts About Luther,’ O’Hare, TAN Books, 1987, p. 203).

      • Dave_L

        Luther had a few theological screws loose, no doubt. I see the Book of Revelation as seven reoccurring illustrations, (kind of like the 4 Gospels) giving different views of the same things. Not to be taken literally but as pictures symbolizing situations that span the entire time of writing till the end of the world. They call this view Amillennialism and particularly the Recapitulation approach. This is why both Nero and the Papacy and others can be called the “Antichrist”.

        • Jim H

          So you see the events in revelation as not necessarily being consecutive, but (instead) perspective in regards to time?

          • Dave_L

            Yes I suppose. That is, they are not in chronological order but provide different pictures of the same things.

  • http://www.smbelow.com Steven

    Interesting! Throwing stones at THREE pillars. Hmmm…?! Maybe I’m just reading into it.

    “I would like to express two sentiments for my Muslim brothers and sisters,”

    Isn’t there a bunch of information that closely connects Islam with the Catholic church that goes all the way back to Muhammad?

    • Names_Stan

      I’m sure there’s plenty of information, considering Christianity and Islam were two of the only three significant religions west of the Indian subcontinent. And Judaism had far fewer numbers than either of them.

      • http://www.smbelow.com Steven

        I’m not referring to the geographic paradigm, but the personal connection via Muhammad and relatives.

        The matter of theology is clearly opposed between Christianity and Islam, however, Muhammad’s visions and the nature there of are in question; as to, what transpired and who directed him.

        That information is less forthcoming…but it’s out there.

        • Joseph Essien-Obot

          Oh, I’m sure. I’ve come across that cock and bull.

      • Shirley temple dancer

        Really? If you knew what O T said about the number of Jews who left Babylon you would understand that a SMALL PORTION OF JEWS
        left Babylon so you are off on your numbers

        • Names_Stan

          I don’t know what you’re claiming here.
          Obviously Judaism had greater numbers than Islam if you go back far enough. It’s centuries older.

          My point to him was that it was no surprise that Catholicism is “connected” with Islam, whatever that may mean, considering they were populating the Western world for 1500 years. It didn’t take long for Islam to have far higher numbers than Jews. This was simply because Muslims converted others with swords, and the Jews have never cared about converting others at all.

          My comments had nothing to do with the Babylonian captivity.

  • http://facebook.com/AnnInquirer Ann Inquirer

    Francis is NOT helping. Neither has he actually read the koran, sunnah and hadiths, or he would know that the psychopath (with every DSMV clinical descriptor) . All that is left is hate and genocide for unbelievers, us. Bagdhadi and ISIS are very meticulous with every beheading, immolation, slave sale, etc to cite in their scripture where Mohamd did the exact same thing, but Mandated that it be done.

    • Names_Stan

      Well a little rough math tells us there are over 225,000 humans on earth for every ONE of “Baghdadi and ISIS”.

      As DSMV goes, the fear of ISIS is rather a stretch, perhaps even irrational for an American. (Even if we didn’t have more militarization than the next 26 countries combined).

    • Jim H

      Have you actually read the Old Testament?

      • http://facebook.com/AnnInquirer Ann Inquirer

        of course I’ve read the Old Testament. That violence was for a particular time and place. The wars ended. Islam’s war to make the whole world islamic never ends. 600 wars gave been perpetual and universal. 270,000,000 dead in 1400 years, and they have no intention of stopping as we see with ISIS and the hijrah, jihad invasion of Europe. Koran 9:33, Islam will triumph over all is their raison d’etre.

        • Jim H

          The wars initially ended because Israel killed everyone who opposed them. According to the Bible, there were extremely brutal in doing so. There are several instances where genocidal slaughter occurred, killing non combatant men, women, children, and even infants. Later, they ended because Israel got it butt kicked, first when the Northern Kingdom was destroyed and its people scattered and later when Judea was conquered and occupied. The Jews lost the ability to make war. Every time they tried they got crushed.

  • The Ranger

    No tolerance for >false< doctrines, teaching, prophesy, Teachers Prophets, Preachers, Popes, Priest (No Exceptions) "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thisles? 18 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good frut; but a corrupt tree bring forth evil fruit 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven; but he that doth the will of my Father which is in heaven 22 Many will say in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you : depart from me, ye that work inquity" Matthew 7:17 – 23 (AKJV)

    • Jim H

      You could have stopped at “no tolerance”.

  • Becky

    I’ll pray for all of you, rather than continue on with negative ranting.

    • Nidalap

      Now, now! If you REALLY meant that, wouldn’t you have just done the praying part without feeling the need to let everyone know about it? (^_^)

      • Becky

        I’ll admit…..I need to work on my humility! 🙂

        • Nidalap

          Ha! Don’t we all? 🙂

  • Becky

    One day, if islam isn’t quelled, they too will be under the command of the one who gives the papacy its power, along with all those who do not keep the commandments of God through Christ Jesus (Rev 14:12).

    “Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. He was grantedpower to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.” Revelation 13:11-18

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    • Jim H

      “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ “But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven..’
      -Matthew 5:43-45”

      I would think you would know that.

    • Joseph Farber

      he better remember he got two cheeks to turn,only one throat.

  • Reason2012

    So while muslims slaughter Christians and make it clear all Christians should die likewise, this man ignores those who are slain and honors muslims. Those of you that follow catholicism need to wake up to the truth of God. Stop letting them tell you what’s in God’s Word and start reading it for yourself.

    • Jim H

      I’m no fan of Islam, but Christians have done their share of slaughtering Muslims beginning back in the 11th Century with a little thing called the crusades.

      • Reason2012

        Yes, those were catholics. But people will always do things falsely in the name of God – doesn’t make God’s truth any less true.

        “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

        Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
        Matthew 7:21-23

        If you are implying muslims, who reject Jesus as being the Christ are your saved brothers and sisters, members of the body of Christ, you need to think again. They can be saved and are often saved and they come out of islam, but until they do they are still quite lost, as the rest of us were before we came to Christ.

        • Jim H

          “Yes, those were catholics, the denomination you just ironically got done defending in other posts.”

          Actually, in the 11th century Catholic was synonymous with Christian and would remain so for another 500 years. Although it is hard not to (since everyone seem to seek labels for themselves) I prefer to not defend or attack groups of people. Rather, I am concerned with debating ideas.

          “If you are implying muslims, who reject Jesus as being the Christ are your saved brothers and sisters, members of the body of Christ, you need to think again.”
          I had no intention of implying that. Why would I?

        • Joseph Essien-Obot

          I am interested where the ‘Christians’ that were not Catholics where?

      • Joseph Essien-Obot

        I’m trying to understand you here. Do you mean that Christians did not have the right to respond to Islamic aggression that had been on since the 6th Century and were on the verge of toppling the Byzantine Empire in the 11th or are you saying that because of that response people died who happen to be Muslim? Because you seem to mean that Muslims were just basking in the sun when from nowhere Christians just needed to slaughter innocent people and cart away their goods.

        • Jim H

          Most historians tend to agree that the Crusades were a dark chapter in Christian history, with extraordinary violence carried out in Christ’s name, and with Christian doctrine often a mere excuse for murder and pillage.

          It would seem to be an uncontroversial claim. Historians estimate that between one and three million people died in the Crusades (including the Crusaders), at a time when the world’s population was 300 million. That’s right—up to 1 percent of the entire world population perished in the paroxysms of violence between 1095 and 1291. The equivalent of sixty million people today.

          Various Muslim sects had controlled Jerusalem since 732 , yet it took the Christian forces 350 years to “respond.” And only the first of eight crusades was dedicated to retaking Christian shrines; subsequent adventures in Egypt, Tunisia, and modern-day Syria and Turkey were not so motivated.

          Scholars have observed for centuries that in addition to religious motives, the Crusades were at least equally motivated by the Church’s centralization of temporal power, the authority of monarchs friendly to the Church, and the acquisition of wealth.

          Crusaders also massacred Jews—5,000 in the Rhineland massacres alone. They massacred Jews in the Rhineland, Albigensian heretics in Spain, Muslims in the Holy Land. Sometimes (as in the Rhineland) the massacres were condemned by religious authorities; other times (as in Spain) it was actively encouraged.

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            I’m sorry but it sounds to me much like saying America and Western Europe fought a war in which 60 million people died, you know, like 3% of the worlds population, and so have done their share of murdering ‘racists’ for lack of a better term. I’m not saying that racists deserve to die, I’m only trying to say that the West was compelled to get into the war and should not be referred to in those terms, “done their share of murder”.

            For centuries, as you rightly indicate, Muslims had control of Jerusalem before the Crusades but Jerusalem was not quite the problem. Christian pilgrims had constantly been attacked – I’m not talking here of the normally expected robberies that do occur in these situations – refugees were made of many a Christian in Muslim territories ending up mostly in Byzantine and the Byzantine border was constantly tested. These things didn’t create a good or at least an understood impression of Muslims, not to talk of the political shambles Western Europe was in at the time. It is therefore no surprise that at a time western Europe’s polity was settling and the Byzantine Empire was in stress concerning pressure from Islamic forces at its borders their call for help was responded to, not just as assistance to Byzantine who shared a somewhat common heritage but also in defense of their own identity (after Byzantine who was next). The issue of recovering the Holy Land was what we may term strategy in achieving their objective of security. Maybe that’s not quite in order but my point is that the first principle was not the recovery of the Holy Land.

            So there was war by volunteers engineered by religious fervor, and there were unfortunate incidences engineered by persons of wanting character particularly were wealth was concerned, hence Rhineland and the Venetian sack of Constantinople. But by and large very little wealth was gained.

            I don’t know why you brought in the Albigensian heretics because their dynamic was still something else entirely. The unfortunate thing that happened played a major role in bringing about the Inquisition as a way to stall such whole massacres in the name of faith. I do hope you understand I’m not referring to the mythical understanding of the Inquisition in popular folklore.

            I think my wider point here is that the nature of the Muslim onslaught is not quite equatable to the Christian, much like the WWII picture I drew. The onslaught is more an exercise of Islamic faith than one in spite of it, thus the apprehension. “Equivalenting” them is a big, big problem for me.

          • Jim H

            The context in which my comment was made was in response to “So while muslims slaughter Christians and make it clear all Christians should die”.

            My response was “I’m no fan of Islam, but Christians have done their share of slaughtering Muslims beginning back in the 11th Century with a little thing called the crusades.”

            The crusades were only one episode and during that timeframe many non-Muslims were killed as well. inquisition, witch hunts,

            The Church started killing unbelievers as early as the 4th century. The killing (often with torture) of heretics, church splinter groups, dissenters, atheists, agnostics, deists, pagans, infidels and unbelievers was supported by almost all mainstream Christian theology for over a thousand years, starting with the intolerant St. Augustine, who died in 430 AD.

            As I mentioned, there was the crusade against the Albigensians/Cathars in 1209–1229?, where Pope Innocent III called for a crusade to exterminate the Cathar people of France (the Albigensians), simply because they had different beliefs than his. Men, women and children were butchered by the Pope’s forces.
            Rudolph J. Rummel estimates they butchered 200,000 innocent men, women and children.

            “I think my wider point here is that the nature of the Muslim onslaught is not quite equatable to the Christian, much like the WWII picture I drew. The onslaught is more an exercise of Islamic faith than one in spite of it, thus the apprehension. “Equivalenting” them is a big, big problem for me.”
            I think you are wrong. The crusades and other slaughters were an exercise in Christianity as well.

            St. Bernard of Clairvaux said when launching the Second Crusade: “The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified.”

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            I really do not want to go round in circles here, apparently we both have our positions.

            Just to point out a couple of things:

            1) In the very next paragraph you quote from St. Bernard of Clairvaux he says:

            “I do not mean to say that the pagans are to be slaughtered when there
            is any other way to prevent them from harassing and persecuting the
            faithful, but only that it now seems better to destroy them than that
            the rod of sinners be lifted over the lot of the just, and the righteous
            perhaps put forth their hands unto iniquity.”

            In other words, a force stationed for the protection of non-combatants – in this case, pilgrims – would have no choice but to kill in such duty. Being a form of self-defense it is not a sin (speaking in today’s terms).

            2) It is usually easy to claim the high ground when assessing events especially when so much time and circumstance separate us. Then again in this age we tend to pretend that faith has no consequence for society. No so long ago America was hunting for communists, just because the didn’t believe in a free market. Today we pretend that Islam has nothing to do, intrinsically, with violent expression. Faith does have real world consequences.

            The Cathars had their issues which brought them into conflict with the world around them at the time and even though a Crusade against them was launched it wasn’t, for sure, a call slaughter an entire people, who apparently weren’t all subscribers to the faith.Well, things don’t always work out the way we hope, given so many things. But the question really here is, were these unfortunates faithful expressions of the intrinsic nature of the faith? I doubt very much.

            What’s really the problem we have? Islam’s violence, as much as I know, is intrinsic to the belief system. Drawing equivalence between the violence Islamic fervor engenders and that of persons motivated by personal gain than any other thing, as I said before, doesn’t work for me. Thanks.

          • Jim H

            I don’t equate modern Islamic violence to anything. My point is all of the Abrahamic religions have blood on their hands, the Jews have the massacres of the men women and children as the Israelites took the promised land, Christians have the crusades, inquisition, witch hunts, etc.
            Everyone comments that violence is intrinsic to Islam. Read the Old Testament. The Jews were repeatedly told to massacre people who worship other Gods and even each other. You seem to whitewash all that history.
            The difference with Islam is it just hasn’t actually grown its barbaric beliefs where most Christians and Jews have.

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            Oh well, that’s fine. Since everyone has blood on their hands I guess everything’s good.

  • http://artravesupercenter.com/ AM CH

    What ???????????????? Gee & I just wrote him a letter about my mother!
    I got out of the church at 19 when reading Bible and not being able to find Purgatory in it but my family stayed Catholic.Now 40 yrs later after my Dad died I figure OK try to make peace but dang~

    Guess hypocrisy doesnt fall far from the tree! It goes all the way up the vine and then some~ Had heard some things about this pope a while back but ignored it- something about during a revolution and torture etc but people – allah is NOT God.

    While its ‘sad’ that so many trampled each other to death as they tried to stone the devil – maybe they should rethink stoning altogether since it was stopped by Jesus becoming our sacrifice on the cross and Jesus said that he who is without sin should cast the first stone- so no one is actually ‘eligible’ to cast stones at anyone and even symbolically doing it to the devil who is devil coming as an angel of light – or allah by another name~ no wonder so many die doing this ritual !

    While Pope might think he /we are to become all things including muslim to win them over it will never happen.Their goal is Caliphate and they will accept Jewish & Christian converts to Islam but would even kill their own Moderates who dont comply with sharia.

    The Bible is the Word of God ~ its alive and more active then a 2 edge sword ~ Jesus is the Word made flesh that dwelt among us and became the only acceptable sacrifice for our sins once and for all since all have sinned and fall short of God’s glory — there is no other way — and the Quran was written by Muhamad [wont even go deeper there for the rest you can fill in the blanks!]

    But yeah there is a verse in the Bible that says —‘holding a form of religion BUT denying the power of it”— which kind of comes to mind and then to hear him calling them brothers etc — well a stretch could be that Ishmael was tecnically a step brother to Isaac and Isaac did try to make peace with Ishmael since Abraham’s funeral [and many times since then] the descendants of Isaac sought peace with the descendants of Ishmael —but they wouldnt have it. Ishmael & his descendants are wild donkeys of men always fighting their brothers. No wonder no arab state is taking in the Syrian refugees —[another story]

    BUT like those old Superman comics and Bizarro Superman –
    you remember the evil counterpart or other world Superman? —
    well thats like comparing the 12 tribes of Israel to the 12 tribes of Ishmael of which Islam comes from —
    Light vs Dark
    Good vs Evil
    Well — its all nuts …. I cant even finish here its just all too much…..suffice to say
    Jesus is Lord & God is God and NOT allah.
    Jesus is the way the Truth and the Life and no man comes to the Father except by Him

    Any born into it that or other cultures that seek to be godly and not know better — if they really seek God –
    HE will find them and lead them out of the lie they were brought up in.

    We can pray for them to come to the full knowledge of the Truth
    since Quran is not Holy Spirit inspired but allah inspired to Muhamad and allows and encourages what they consider– justified lies — that is to not be truthful with any non-muslim or infidel in order to deceive them.
    So much is wrong about all of this ~

    At least in the past other or most Popes pretended –to be holy and kept up appearances– instead of going around like they were Jesus incarnate or something.

    I have however actually met Catholics over the years that do love the Lord and live godly lives and some of which have come to the knowledge of the Truth about Jesus and made confessions of faith in Him —-
    but as my mother used to say “we have had good popes and bad popes”—
    guess this one is a ‘political pope’ so he might just fall into a category of one foot on each side of good and bad— or he may have his reasons —
    maybe he is trying to be friendly like in the movie Mars Attacks — to win over converts???
    oh no that would be Obama playing the President part — but anyway —

    this issue is only going to get worse no matter what is said
    and by whom so guess all thats left is to get our own houses in order and get ready to hunker down like
    the 5 wise virgins , stand fast in our faith in Jesus, stay obedient to His Word and not take any passing dogs by the ears [in Proverbs] and look forward to Jesus return,
    hoping we are given the strength and grace to make it through the coming
    Tribulation as it seems to be on its way maybe sooner than later like maybe even within the next 20-50 yrs or so or maybe less…

    God help us all and lead us into what He wants us to do~!

    • Jim H

      I got out of the church at 19 when reading Bible and not being able to find Purgatory.
      Maybe you need to look again.

      In II Maccabees 12:39-46, we discover Judas Maccabeus and members of his Jewish military forces collecting the bodies of some fallen comrades who had been killed in battle. When they discovered these men were carrying “sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear” (vs. 40), Judas and his companions discerned they had died as a punishment for sin. Therefore, Judas and his men “turned to prayer beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out… He also took up a collection… and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably… Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.”
      A lot of Protestants aren’t familiar with that passage because Martin Luther removed Maccabees from the Protestant Bible. Since you were raised Catholic, it should have been in the Bible you were reading.

      Jesus declares in Matthew 12:32:

      And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

      This declaration implies there are at least some sins that can be forgiven in the next life

      In Matthew 5:24-25, Jesus says:

      Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; truly I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny (Matthew 5:25-26).

      Tertullian, in De Anima 58, written in ca. AD 208, says this teaching is parabolic, using the well-known example of “prison” and the necessary penitence it represents, as a metaphor for Purgatorial suffering that will be required for lesser transgressions, represented by the “kodrantes” or “penny” of verse 26.

  • FoJC_Forever

    Catholicism has never been Christianity, but don’t assume because someone or some organization is against Catholicism that they love Jesus (the) Christ. Be wary of the Devil’s tricks to get you to follow yet another one of his wrong paths.

    Follow Jesus, find Wisdom.

  • TheCountess

    There is no King, but Jesus, at which all great and small shall bow the knee, including the Pope, who is in himself a usurper.

    • Joseph Essien-Obot

      Has the pope claimed to be Jesus or the King? Or you would rather the Church has no administrator?

  • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ DavidHart-slowlyboiledfrog.com

    Just imagine what would happen if President Obama said something similar.

  • Ralph Rubinek

    He very unlike Pope John Paul II. What about Christians and Jews being persecuted?

  • Oboehner

    “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”
    – Ephesians 5:11

    • Joseph Essien-Obot

      Do you mean that the pope revels in the suicide bombers, unjust executions, mass murders and persecution that Islam is engaged in? Or are you saying that it is an “unfruitful work of darkness” to commiserate with people who have undergone tragedy?

  • Rebecca

    This pope is a fool. muslims are not a Christian’s brothers and sisters.
    They are fellow sinners who need salvation, just as we did.
    Thank You God for bringing me out of the catholic church!!!

    • Joseph Essien-Obot

      You are not saved if you are still a sinner, that’s what salvation saves us from and as such from death. All mankind are brothers and sisters, whether Christian or not. He didn’t say they were Christian and that’s not why he called them brothers and sisters.

    • Josey

      God bless you Rebecca, can’t wait to meet you one day!

  • Reason2012

    They are not your brothers and sisters when they will slaughter you for your Christian faith. Interesting how the man called “father” says nothing of all the Christians who’ve been slaughtered by muslims, but will instead praise muslims.
    Catholicism is an anti-Christ denomination that’s mislead a great many well intentioned people. Read your Bible even more, folks, and get out of that false religion.

    • Joseph Essien-Obot

      We read the bible alright. Every single day at Mass we read from the OT, the Psalms and the NT ruminating how Salvation History manifests itself in the Eucharist, the Act of Salvation. In 3 years all Catholics who only attended Sunday Mass would have read the entire Bible. Which means I would have read the entire Bible about 7 times now and still counting.

      • Josey

        Then you should know that Christ is the only way to the Father and way into Heaven for we all have fallen short of His glory and sin and are in need of a Saviour and His name is Jesus. Say all the hail marys you want, confess to mere man your sins but that will not save you that only gives you a false hope, only the revelation of who Christ is will change you and save you, cleanse you and that revelation comes from God the Father. Jesus Christ is Lord and He alone will be praised and glorified for the finished work on the cross, btw, Jesus is no longer on that cross as in your Catholic churches show him still on a cross, He is sitting down at the right hand of God the Father making intercession for us sinners. satan that old liar has sent many different religions into this world to keep people confused and away from the only one who can vindicate them of their sins and give them a new heart that wants to do right. Jesus Christ is the Truth, the Way and the Life, there is no other name given under Heaven whereby men might be saved except His. Period!

        • Joseph Essien-Obot

          “…but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness” – 1 Cor. 1:23.

          No crucifixion, no resurrection. We cannot get there without the sacrifice.

          Abandoning what Christ has given us for what Christ promises us will get you no where very quickly. God bless.

  • Salvador

    This fake pope is the antichrist who has been revealed himself…!

  • Joseph Essien-Obot

    What summary conclusion! So, affirming a truth in another religion is, “a blatant rejection of the teachings of Christ”?! If he was to affirm same for Jews, which he and the Church have, would that conclusion as well be arrived at?

    It is true that they (Muslims and Jews and maybe some other faiths too) worship one God, whether it is true or not that the one God is the same God as the Christian God. Muslims profess their faith is Abrahamic, which I doubt, which could be a misunderstanding on their part, but to that extent, i.e. the profession, they worship the same God. The Jews worship the same one God for sure. The problem comes in the understanding of God.

    Christians understand God through Christ, does that mean that non-Christians are not trying in their unfortunate understanding to commune too? Does that mean that Christians cannot join through prayer in their yearning for true communion with God? I know Islam in particular is innately immune to the Christian voice since they see themselves as correcting the Christian and Judaic religions as deformed Islam but should that stop the Christian spirit of togetherness with all humanity?

    What then are the teachings of Christ?