Doctor Expelled from Boston Hospital for Statements About Health Dangers of Homosexuality

Church-compressedBOSTON — A Massachusetts urologist has been expelled by a Boston hospital for making statements on an internal online portal expressing concern about the health dangers of same-sex sexual activity.

Dr. Paul Church serves as a urology professor at Harvard University and also has admitting privileges at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, where he has seen patients for nearly the past 30 years. He also has participated in medical missions outreaches in Mexico and Africa.

For over the past decade, Church has expressed concern to his colleagues about the hospital’s promotion of homosexual events. He has commented both via email and on the hospital’s internal portal that it is improper to promote lifestyles that are contrary to the goals of the healthcare community, and has been met with allegations that his comments constitute “discrimination and harassment” and are “offensive to BIDMC staff.”

“The evidence is irrefutable that behaviors common within the homosexual community are unhealthy and high risk for a host of serious medical consequences, including STD’s, HIV and AIDS, anal cancer, hepatitis, parasitic intestinal infections, and psychiatric disorders,” Church wrote on the portal on one occasion, according to reports.

“Life expectancy is significantly decreased as a result of HIV/AIDS, complications from the other health problems, and suicide. This alone should make it reprehensible to the medical community, who has an obligation to promote and model healthy behaviors and lifestyles,” he said.

According to reports, in 2011, after being told that he would be subjected to an investigation if he does not resign, Church received a letter from a peer review committee demanding that discontinue providing his “opinion about sexual orientation, homosexuality, or other protected status.”

Church in turn asked that he discontinue receiving the hospital’s emails promoting homosexual pride events, but when he continued to receive the notices more frequently, he again spoke out. One comment was posted in 2013, and two in 2014.

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“Celebrating sexual perversions is highly inappropriate, especially in the context of a medical center that should be aware of the negative health consequences of high risk behaviors,” Church wrote in 2013. “It also ignores and dishonors the religious convictions and moral objections that many members of the hospital community share who are opposed to these behaviors.”

In 2014, he simply responded with a reference to a Bible verse, pointing to Leviticus 18:22 on one occasion and Romans 1:26-28 on another.

In September 2014, a formal investigation was launched against Church, and findings were turned over to a 25-member Medical Executive Committee for consideration. In March, the committee decided to expel Church for his “unsolicited views about homosexuality that were offensive to BIDMC Staff” and for violating the hospital’s discrimination policy.

Church appealed the expulsion, but it was upheld this month by the panel. He is now facing a final ruling from the hospital’s board of directors.

“The hospital is using the serious expulsion procedure against Dr. Church that’s normally used against physicians who abuse patients or commit some kind of malpractice,” the group Mass Resistance, which has been closely following the case, outlined in an update. “Its case is built on a strange dictum that nothing can be posted internally that ‘could offend’ any staff member.”

“But at that same time, the hospital continued to email Dr. Church their pro-LGBT material, even after he asked to be taken off the list, which he (and others) said they found to be offensive,” it continued. “The hospital sees no contradiction at all. This is the brave new world we are entering.”

The legal group Liberty Counsel is representing Church and is considering the doctor’s options.

“This needs to be a wake-up call for America,” attorney Richard Mast told reporters. “What we see being enacted in corporate America is vague terms like labeling something ‘offensive’ is grounds for being fired. We’re seeing deligitimized expressions of religious beliefs. … Rather than disagreeing with ideas, [corporate America] is characterizing the expression of a Christian worldview as offensive, hateful and hurtful, effectively enacting gag orders across corporate America for religious beliefs.”


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  • bowie1

    Do they really want to expel a doctor that could save patient lives? Morality aside, this is also a health issue.

    • John_33

      Anyone who dares to say anything that makes homosexuality look bad – even if it’s the truth – will be harassed, but in the end, the truth will eventually be so obvious that it can’t be denied.

      • Mark Bouckaert

        Reread the article. It was his opinion on their internal intranet.

      • Jolanda Tiellemans

        Qeustion. Actually for all those agreeing with the dr. How come he was the only one expressing his concerns about the so called health issues? I mean he is a dr in a hospital, why didn’t any of the other dr’s did the same? Was his real reason maybe because he has a problem with homosexuals?

        • Belshady Amanuel

          Obviously the others are scared that if they speak up, the same thing that has befallen this man would also happen to them.

          • Mark Bouckaert

            A workplace intranet site is not an appropriate forum for this. I’m not sure why you would think it is.

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            A Christian news site is not an appropriate forum for your anti-Christian comments. I’m not sure why you would think it is.

          • Mark Bouckaert

            Please explain what anti christian comments I made.

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            A record of your comments appears on your profile.

          • Dylan

            Burn in hell Antichrist child of the devil, the father of lies.

        • Gary McGee

          God has a problem with homosexuality. The Dr. reads the word of God and believes it. Do you? Then look at Leviticus and see the punishment that God says is due for sodomy.

  • Becky

    “Church received a letter from a peer review committee demanding that discontinue providing his ‘opinion about sexual orientation, homosexuality, or other protected status.'”

    This is not just Church’s opinion. The information Church is expressing is based on medical facts. The CDC is filled with the same information are they going to shut them down, too. How about all of the medical research/studies that support what Church is saying?? Are they going to go after all scientific evidence that proves that homosexuality is, indeed, a health danger? These homosexual zealots are utterly mindless.

    • Mark Bouckaert

      No its not. As the article stated it was his opinion. Not fact. Which is why he’s been dismissed. Any company would do the same. A company intranet is not for this.

      • Mary Strain

        But according to the article, they were using the company intranet to promote LGBT events even when they knew some didn’t want to receive such messages. They don’t seem to be interested in playing fair. Which is probably why he’s getting legal counsel. He may have grounds for a discrimination lawsuit.

        • Blaylock

          when events are promoted within an organization as large as a hospital, don’t you think it would be difficult to sort out who does and doesn’t want to receive such notices? at my institution, we cannot opt out of any system emails. he was also told on several occasions to stop what he was doing.

        • Mark Bouckaert

          That was his opinion yet again. Lots of opinions from this doctor while he thinks they are facts.

          • Harry Oh!

            Goto the CDC website and look up the stats on new HIV cases each year. Then please pull your head out from your arse and go somewhere else to troll.

          • Mark Bouckaert

            According to this site, 7% of males engage in homosexual behavior. So… that is roughly 400,000 men. But there was only 8,000 new cases… Yes, they have the largest percentage. But that just means there are men that are not having safe sex. So it’s an educational issue.

            Here in Canada, they have identified this as a risk. Basically, the risk is due to anal sex, not necessarily gay sex as women engage in that as well. So in grade 7, they are taught the truth. Unprotected anal sex has a huge risk and they are told how to reduce the risk.

          • Harry Oh!

            CDC
            “In 2013, in the United States, gay and bisexual men accounted for 81% (30,689) of the 37,887 estimated HIV diagnoses among all males aged 13 years and older and 65% of the 47,352 estimated diagnoses among all persons receiving an HIV diagnosis that year.”

            Wikipedia
            “the NHIS reported in July 2014 that 1.6 percent of Americans identify as gay or lesbian,”

            Please take my earlier advice (about the location of your skull) and stop lying to yourself.

          • Mark Bouckaert

            Recent Forum polls in Canada put it at 5%. I’ve provided a link but in the past the moderators have always removed my comments with backup. Google percentage of gay population in Canada and you’ll find a national post article backing up what I say.

            Basically, from my readings in the past, citizens are afraid to say they are gay on polls, especially government ones in fear of oppression.

          • Gary McGee

            Harry, or whatever your name really is. I’m sure you don’t like people talking rudely to you. Be kind and considerate if you can.

      • Belshady Amanuel

        The man, being highly educated and being an educator himself would know not to spew more than what evidence could suggest. In all fairness, this man said nothing that is wrong. In fact, on the contrary, he spills out, very clearly, what many are scared to utter. Indeed I would also suggest that you would research the first patients diagnosed with HIV/AIDS and how throughout the years the Homosexual agenda has tried hide this truth and even change the name of the disease.

        • Mark Bouckaert

          If he wanted to achieve evidence for his hypothesis then there are infinitely more methods than not actually doing research and blindly making theories.

          • Dylan

            Burn in hell propagandist of death, whore of your father the devil, the father of lies.

          • Disqusdmnj

            Well, that escalated quickly.

          • Mark Bouckaert

            So if this was the show supernatural which character would that make me?

          • Disqusdmnj

            Never watched it, but I’m guessing based on Dylan’s hyperbole… the spawn of a Satan, Hitler, and ebola threesome?

      • Dylan

        Burn in hell mark, enemy of all living, propagandiast of satan, the father of lies, you like father like son, child of the devil

      • veteran68

        You and your kind ignore facts,, as it interferes with your sexual Desires and Preferences

  • Nidalap

    I imagine that a German doctor who told that the Aryan race was, in fact, NOT superior back in the 1930’s would have been drummed out of the profession too…

    • Blaylock

      you’re hilarious

      • Nidalap

        Thanks! Taken in small doses, I am! (^_^)

    • Peter Leh

      godwin’s law… on your first try too. cheers! 🙂

      • Nidalap

        Ah good ol’ Mike Godwin! He’s a card, isn’t he? 🙂

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          It’s actually a pretty good analogy. Jews were harmed and killed by false medical information and political ideology.

          And don’t forget WorldGoneCrazy’s Law: “The first person to assert Godwin’s Law, without proving that the analogy is not a good one, loses.” 🙂

          • Nidalap

            Well, I can see as Hitler’s name might be thrown about a bit too freely from time to time! I am suspecting that yonder ‘Law’ may have been created by someone who was a bit annoyed how often the analogies were lining up exactingly with the positions of those on his own side of the fence. Kind of handy to be able to exclaim: “You mentioned Hitler! You automatically lose!” (^_^)

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Very insightful. It is much easier to claim “Godwin’s Law” than to address the issue at hand. It’s kind of an attempt to be more “scientific” than “you right wing homophobic intolerant hateful bigoted extremist – end of discussion!” that I usually get from my liberal family and friends. 🙂

          • Nidalap

            Ha! Well, that line IS an old favorite, tried and true! 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Thank God we never hear it on this website! I mean, we can trot out the peer-reviewed secular data showing that gay men are 17 times more likely than straight men to be pedophiles, and we will be greeted with praise (from the other side) for our intellectual honesty in not quoting Bible verses to arrive at our conclusion, right? They would never threaten to bankrupt us, bake a gay cake, or issue death threats. It’s almost as though I can feel the gay love coming at me soon.

          • Nidalap

            Ooh! So many potential one-liners…I’d best not! 🙂

          • Valri

            Your stats would mean more if you hadn’t also stated that gay men require diapers, and yet gave not a single statistic for women requiring them for the same reason.

            You keep using that word “peer-reviewed”. I do not think it means what you think it means.

          • Peter Leh

            “And don’t forget WorldGoneCrazy’s Law: “The first person to assert
            Godwin’s Law, without proving that the analogy is not a good one,
            loses.” :-)”

            ok that is funny

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Thanks, Peter! Good to see you again, and God bless!

  • Steve Ortega

    Why does society get offended about the truth?Homos spread AIDS,by shooting the brown eye,blow jobs,etc.Animals don”t do that!Humans are a race like no other for spreading disease!

    • Mark Bouckaert

      Because its not the truth nor is it fact. It’s his opinion.

    • dcsloan

      AIDS is spread by any form of unprotected sex and the sharing of needles.

      • bowie1

        Often between males.

        • Blaylock

          tell that to the children with HIV and AIDs

          • bowie1

            They get it through the mother who has had a relationship with a bisexual male, and then it gets passed along to the child in the womb.

          • Mark Bouckaert

            Explain aids in Africa then? Homosexuality is a death penalty in some countries. So why isn’t that eliminating aids there?

          • bowie1

            They take chances even if it is illegal.

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      Hetero couples do blow jobs too.

  • dcsloan

    Obergefell v. Hodges
    Amici Curiae
    (excerpts)

    American Psychological Association
    Kentucky Psychological Association
    Ohio Psychological Association
    American Psychiatric Association
    American Academy of Pediatrics
    American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy
    Michigan Association for Marriage and Family Therapy
    National Association of Social Workers
    National Association of Social Workers Tennessee Chapter
    National Association of Social Workers Michigan Chapter
    National Association of Social Workers Kentucky Chapter
    National Association of Social Workers Ohio Chapter
    American Psychoanalytic Association
    American Academy of Family Physicians
    American Medical Association

    Scientific evidence strongly supports the conclusion that homosexuality is a normal expression of human sexuality; that gay men and lesbians form stable, committed relationships that are equivalent to heterosexual relationships in essential respects; that same-sex couples are no less fit than heterosexual parents to raise children, and their children are no less psychologically healthy and well-adjusted; and that denying same-sex couples access to marriage is both an instance of institutional stigma and a contributor to the negative treatment of lesbian, gay, and bisexual people. In short, the claim that allowing same-sex couples to marry undermines the institution of marriage and harms children is inconsistent with the scientific evidence.

    Sexual orientation refers to an enduring disposition to experience sexual, affectional, or romantic attractions to men, women, or both. It also encompasses an individual’s sense of personal and social identity based on those attractions, behaviors expressing them, and membership in a community of others who share them. Although sexual orientation ranges along a continuum from exclusively heterosexual to exclusively homosexual, it is usually discussed in terms of three categories: heterosexual (having sexual and romantic attraction primarily or exclusively to members of the other sex), homosexual (having sexual and romantic attraction primarily or exclusively to members of one’s own sex), and bisexual (having a significant degree of sexual and romantic attraction to both sexes).

    When the American Psychiatric Association published the first Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (“DSM”) in 1952, homosexuality was listed as a mental disorder.
    However, this classification reflected social stigma rather than empirical research findings. Recognizing the lack of scientific evidence for this classification, the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from the DSM in 1973, stating that “homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities.” In 1975, the APA adopted a policy reflecting the same conclusion. For decades, the consensus of mainstream mental health professionals and researchers has been that homosexuality and bisexuality are normal expressions of human sexuality; that they pose no inherent obstacle to leading a happy, healthy, and productive life; and that gay and lesbian people function well in the full array of social institutions and interpersonal relationships.

    Although some groups and individuals have offered clinical interventions that purport to change sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual – sometimes called “conversion” therapies – these interventions have not been shown to be effective or safe. A review of the scientific literature by an APA task force concluded that sexual orientation change efforts are unlikely to succeed and can be harmful.

    Sexual orientation is commonly discussed as a characteristic of individuals, like biological sex or age. This perspective is incomplete because sexual orientation necessarily involves relationships with other people. Sexual acts and romantic attractions are categorized as homosexual or heterosexual according to the biological sex of the individuals involved, relative to each other. Indeed, it is only by acting with another person – or desiring to act – that individuals express their heterosexuality, homosexuality, or bisexuality. Thus, sexual orientation is integrally linked to the intimate personal relationships that human beings form with others to meet their deeply felt needs for love, attachment, and intimacy. It defines the universe of persons with whom one is likely to find the satisfying and fulfilling relationships that, for many individuals, comprise an essential component of personal identity.

  • RWH

    The only one who seems to be reporting on this is Brian Camanker and Massresistance. If one reads carefully between the lines, apparently, this Dr. Church was railing more against people than the purported behaviors. In other words, he was apparently causing a hostile working environment. Also, if you read between the lines carefully, every effort was made to work with this Dr. Church. This all just didn’t happen overnight; the hospital leadership has been dealing with this for over three years. What is even more telling is that Camanker is the only one telling the story. Other conservatives apparently are also in “the know” and realize that this Dr. Church is in the wrong and is handling the “truth” in an unprofessional manner. Since this is a personnel matter, all of the documents are sealed, but if they were public, they would most likely tell a story very different than the one that Mr. Camanker would have us believe.

    • Blaylock

      Brian is the leader of a known hate group who loves to lie about homosexuals

    • Becky

      “If onen reads carefully between the lines…”

      “Also, if you read between the lines carefully”

      So, in other words, you’re simply making up stuff about Dr. Church.

      • RWH

        A discerning person reads the report to see what flies and what sounds suspicious. S/he then checks things out from other sites. There is enough stuff on Camanker’s report to raise alarms. A very stupid person just accuses others of being a liar when they don’t like what they see.

  • Mark

    They also didn’t mention Hep A, which is common for homosexuals – as a result of oral ingestion of human feces. Facts are facts. The lifespan of homosexuals is on average more than 25 years shorter than normal people.

    If they truly cared about these people they would warn them of the medical and spiritual dangers.

    Forever is a long time to be in conscious torment.

    • Blaylock

      its a shame that morons like yourself cannot help but spread misinformation. Homosexuals don’t ingest feces…how ignorant. Your lifespan statement has been dis proven so many times yet you continue to spread falsehoods. your holy man wont be happy

    • RWH

      Are you trying to say that the gay and lesbian community who works for this hospital is doing these things? Paul Church’s comments were aimed at his co-workers. Or is it okay in your book for someone you work with to refer to a target group of co-workers as disease-ridden, immoral people and then post Old Testament verses that advocate that these people be killed? Do you think it is a good thing for staff morale to allow someone to post things like this over the hospital communication channels? Paul Camanker, himself Jewish, should know all about forces during World War II that targeted a detested population and refer to them as filthy, disease ridden people and then advocate their extermination. Yet, he thinks that these behaviors should be excused. It’s significant that other conservative groups and spokespeople have refused to take up the cause if Dr. Church’s behaviors were so altruistic.

      • Becky

        Point out exactly where Dr. Church’s comments are specifically referring to his co-workers.

        • RWH

          If you read between the lines from massresistance, Dr. Church’s comments were over the hospital internet. They were directed at fellow employees. A casual search on the internet will provide a video supporting the gay/lesbian employees and their contributions. I believe that Camanker even posted it. Church offered to make a contribution where he accused these people of spreading AIDS and other infectious diseases. On two other occasions, Church posted Bible verses that called for the death of “sodomites.” There is plenty of evidence for this. Camanker may try to make a case, but if one reads between the lines, there is plenty of evidence that Church caused a number of people a lot of distress over a lengthy period of time. He has had at least three hearings on the matter, and each of the times, a panel of his peers found that Church caused a hostile work environment.
          All you have to do is to read Camanker’s several accounts on Massresistance, and a very careful reading points to harassment. Church may have cited evidence from the CDC, but he didn’t cite all of it, and rather than talk about behaviors, he directed his venom at people–the very peers he is supposed to work with. The rules are very simple: someone causes others to work under stressful conditions, and the hospital needs to act. Citing Bible verses that call for someone to be killed on “God’s orders” is one such situation.
          Again, read Camanker’s report carefully, and while he attempts to whitewash all of this under the guise of religious freedom and Christianity, the intention is surely there. Camanker, a Jewish person, should recognize this strategy. Hitler used it against people like Camanker as he rose to power. Make people look evil, like vermin that spread all sorts of infectious diseases, label them as corrupters of the young, and then advocate that they be put away. And people like him have indeed motived some very scary “kill the gays” legislation in some African countries and even in Russia, all of which are heroes in Camanker’s book.

          • Becky

            You have nothing to offer…no specific references…no direct quotes…no citations…just the reading between the lines…got it.

      • Mark

        He wasn’t “targeting” anyone. He was speaking the truth in love. You’d rather he didn’t care about people? You’d rather he was a hypocrite and lied to them?

        Who posted anything about killing anyone? LOL You are the only one condoning killing here. Your butchering of scripture just proves you have no clue what the message is.

        If he warned obese people about their dietary lifestyle choices you would say that he is calling for the murder of fat people? Your arguments are not even rational.

        Whether their actions are immoral or not is irrelevant. He was sharing medical truth. If you tell people that their chosen lifestyle is unsafe and will shorten your lifespan – then dwell on that. Whether you ignore him or not at least you know the truth. It is just factual, honest information. Why do you fear the truth? If you don’t like it, you can’t refute it, so just ignore it.

        Grow up. Be open to the truth.

        • RWH

          He was sharing “medical truth” to employees who already know the medical truth. He was doing so to harass. He explicitly referred to the “perverts,” which in this case are his colleagues. Perhaps you should read what has been said with a bit of discernment. That this doctor has gone through several appeals and has lost each one is telling. All of the documents appear to be internal and are not open for inspection, but Massresistance provides enough information to make what they claim very suspicious. Just because Brian Camanker says something is biased doesn’t make it so. To him, anyone who disagrees is either biased or stupid.

          Perhaps you should be the one to grow up.

    • Mark Bouckaert

      “Is common for homosexuals – as a result of oral ingestion of human feces”. I’m calling shenanigans! Show me your data!

    • Valri

      “as a result of oral ingestion of human feces.”
      “Facts are facts.”

      You talk about homosexuals ingesting feces and then you have the nerve to call it a fact? It’s hate, sir. Nothing more, nothing less.

  • Marc Thomson

    Let’s start with the fact that it’s certain behavior that increases risk for sexually transmitted disease. That’s why lesbian behavior is safer than the sex between a married straight couple. This doctor was not warning about dangerous behavior, he was judging sexual orientation. The hospital would also dismiss a Muslim who told his patients that a Baptist “lifestyle” was unhealthy because so many of them smoke and drink alcohol.

    • Mark Bouckaert

      Is it? Why? Where’s you research to back this up? And what is the solution?

      • Marc Thomson

        Solution? To the spread of HIV? I favor more education for everyone, married folks, straight singles, gay men and women, appropriate teen education, on what actually transmits the virus. Then it becomes a matter of risk management. Monogamy is less risky, abstinence and sterilization is risk free, promiscuity with protection is less risky than occasional sex without protection, etc. But if people knew what really prevents HIV and worked to prevent it, it would effectively stop spreading. In the words of Mother Theresa, that’s going to take lot of love and tolerance.

  • Riley O’Brien

    He should never have been fired for that. For he did not endanger anyone’s life and he was standing up for what he believed and there is no law against someone’s belief’s. If they do not like what he says then don’t listen, simply as that. To fire someone for standing up for what they believe is so wrong.

    • Blaylock

      he was asked on several occasions to stop offending other employees. he should have been let go

      • Oboehner

        Truth can often times be “offensive” to others.

        • Mark Bouckaert

          What’s that truth? He has no research thus no proof.

          • Oboehner

            The research goes the way of the doctor, the militant homos don’t want to hear it nor do they want you to hear it.

          • Mark Bouckaert

            Nice conspiracy theory. I’ve got another one. Israel, in conjunction with certain elements of the American armed forces decided to massacre the USS Liberty and blame it on the Egyptians. They would then nuke Cairo and take out Egypt. But the militants in the US don’t want you to know that.

            Like my conspiracy theory? I have “proof” too. The BBC did a special on the USS liberty and there’s a lot of “proof” in that documentary to support my theory.

            Are you seriously telling me that there are militant homos out there that have taken over all the aids research worldwide to prevent this “knowledge” from being known?

          • Oboehner

            No of course not, gay wasn’t removed from the mental defect list because they pressured the APA to do so, and they never use death threats to get what they want, noooooo. And building 7 just decided to collapse 20 minutes after the BBC reported it did – even without a plane. And we know the terrorists who did it because we found one of their passports on the sidewalk near the towers.

          • Valri

            Funny how this doctor is in the vast, vast minority in the hateful garbage he’s spouting eh? Funny, that.

          • Oboehner

            Funny how truth becomes “hateful garbage” when mentally challenged perverts object to it.

          • Valri

            Mentally challenged perverts, you mean Christian supremacist bigots who are only concerned with what two people do in the privacy of their bedroom? Those perverts?

          • Oboehner

            Tell that to Gideon Swartzentruber who was arrested.

          • Valri

            Had to look the name up. Are you actually, seriously, comparing homosexuals to a single pervert who has sex with a donkey? And why on EARTH would you do that?

          • Oboehner

            Here comes the bigoted hate speech, you’re just a bestophobe

          • Valri

            It’s so cute watching you pretend your hate speech has anything at all to do with Jesus Christ.

            For the record, we’re talking about homosexuality, not people who have sex with animals. If you don’t know the difference I think you’re beyond help.

          • Oboehner

            Your’re the only one to bring Jesus into the conversation.
            For the record, bestiality and homosexuality are just different sexual preferences, they both deserve the same respect.

          • Valri

            Like so many fundamentalists before you, you clearly struggle with the concept of consent.

            If your preference is to have sex with an animal which cannot consent, then your preference is to go to jail. What a shame you can’t understand this concept which a 5 year old could.

          • Oboehner

            I’ll ask Col. Sanders about consent, in the mean time stop being such a hateful bestophobe.

          • Valri

            Yep, and ask Col. Sanders if he’s ever had sex with a chicken, which is basically the viewpoint you are taking.

          • Oboehner

            So it’s okay to kill and eat animals, just not to exercise one’s sexual orientation.

          • Valri

            We are omnivores. We eat meat. It’s not illegal to eat meat. Nor is it illegal to be in a consensual and loving same-sex relationship. But it IS illegal to abuse animals sexually because it cannot involve consent because animals cannot consent.

            It borders on hilarious that I should have to explain this to you.

          • Oboehner

            So it’s okay to kill and eat animals, just not to exercise one’s sexual orientation. That’s what you have explained.

          • Valri

            Sex with animals isn’t an “orientation”. First problem.

            If you are a human being who wants to have sex with another consenting human being and you are both of a consenting age, it’s fine and it’s legal and no one except certain stone age religions have issue with it.

          • Oboehner

            Picking and choosing again, bestiality is every bit the orientation that homosexuality is.
            Owning slaves used to be legal too.

          • Valri

            No, it’s moronic in the extreme to call bestiality an orientation. If you’re sexually attracted to something outside of your own species it’s a disorder, and illegal for a very good reason – animal abuse is frowned upon by practically everyone who draws breath. I honestly cannot believe you’re making this comparison to consenting adult human beings. Do you take medication?

          • Ryan Case

            valri, i love how you can so easily say how ‘unnatural’ it is for a human to have sex with an animal, but fail to see how equally ‘unnatural’ it is for two males to have sex. even though the APA diagnosed it as a “disorder” (until of course the militant gay nazis pressured them to [conveniently] reinterpret their data [valri, feel free to enter your canned response for recent medical ‘advancements’ that warranted their ‘update’ HERE]). valri, even a 5 year old understands simple plumbing; do we need to explain to you that a man’s anus was not made for reproduction? do i need to explain to you how, evolutionarily speaking, 2 males or 2 females really can’t produce children? be honest, dude. it’s simply unnatural (which i think oboehner is trying to get across, irrespective of the animal’s ‘consent’).

          • Valri

            Well, Ryan Case, even if you want to dismiss the APA due to “militant gay nazis,” as though gay people weren’t a persecuted and marginalized minority ENOUGH at that time that no one would have taken them seriously anyway, what do you have to say about all the OTHER organizations who insist homosexuality is normal, like the American Psychiatric Association, The World Health Organization, and practically everyone else? Are they wrong too?

            “do we need to explain to you that a man’s anus was not made for reproduction?”

            Oh now THAT’s interesting, Ryan Case. No, the man’s anus was not made for reproduction. Neither in fact is the woman’s anus, also used for sexual PLEASURE between straight couples – and far, far more often. I guess a body part has only one function, right? The penis for example – all it’s used for is urination, right?

            Don’t you know there are gay men NOT INTERESTED in anal sex? And how often do you think lesbians engage in it, after all they represent half the LGBT population? Didn’t think this through very well, did you?

            Here’s another little tip. People engage in sexual conduct not simply because they want to reproduce, but because they want a loving and pleasurable experience.

            Unnatural. Yeah. Like polyester, eyeglasses, and air conditioning. Seriously, give your head a shake.

          • Ryan Case

            You actually went to reference the APA as I predicted. Very good. Also very predictable. It shows you love to regurgitate recycled arguments from others.

            You still haven’t answered or credibly refuted how physiologically ‘unnatural’ it is for 2 men or woman to reproduce is. Science man. Have you ever studied (even basic) anatomy?

            You can give me another 50 uses for the anus (farting, for example, though I am wondering if some people [usually brainwashed trollers] fart more out their mouth), but it still doesn’t make it a reproductive organ.

            You can bring in ‘pleasure’ and all kinds of other circumventing arguments, but you are still side-stepping the issue. Homosexuality is not biologically normal (insert your ad hominem lies about how I somehow hate gay people [I actually love them] HERE [even though I’m trying to logically and physiologically show how the propaganda you’ve been fed may actually be wrong]).

          • Valri

            “You actually went to reference the APA as I predicted. Very good.”

            No, Ryan Case, in fact what I did was state that even if you WANTED to throw out the tired old lie that the APA was lobbied by homosexuals, you’ve still got many more mental health organizations that believe that homosexuality is normal. So even if your lie were true, how do you explain all those other organizations that say homosexuality isn’t an illness? My guess is you don’t, because you can’t.

            “You still haven’t answered or credibly refuted how physiologically ‘unnatural’ it is for 2 men or woman to reproduce is.”

            There is no point to what you are saying, Ryan Case, because the entire population isn’t homosexual, only a small part of it, so it’s not like humankind is in any danger of dying out. In fact, we are overpopulated as it is. So I would say you should be GRATEFUL to homosexuals for controlling overpopulation in the most natural way possible. And as I have pointed out, people have sex because they enjoy it. Not just because they want children.

            “You can give me another 50 uses for the anus (idiocy deleted) but it still doesn’t make it a reproductive
            organ.”

            It doesn’t need to be, Ryan Case. Why do straight people enjoy using it as a sexual orifice?

            “Homosexuality is not biologically normal”

            Which is why it’s found all through the animal kingdom, not just in human beings, right Ryan Case?

          • Ryan Case

            Ah, the good ol’ recycled (as nauseous) cliche of the pervasive homosexuality in the animal kingdom. Sure didn’t see that one coming…..

            That totally refutes my point 😉

            But in actuality, all you have (again, repeatedly) done, is avoid the issue that himosexuality is not normal (plus, you’ve conveniently forgotten to attach any credible scientific study that homosexuality is NORMAL in the animal kingdom. You’ve only stated something I already believe: we live in a fallen, and therefore broken, messed up world.

            Question for you to think about (before answering with someone else’s canned response): Why is it that the APA or WHO has just recently had a ‘change of mind’? (We could add Obama and ms. Hillary as well). Answer: Because of the militant movement taking over the media and culture.

            Scientifically, the data is the same. But the interpretation has changed. And still, there is no (!!!) unanimous scientific evidence that homosexuality is normal.

            Also, what if the interpretation changes? (I.e. That APA again says it’s a disorder). Will you contend for my side? I doubt it. You’re not as scientifically neutral as you would like others to think. You, like me, have an agenda.

            Finally, just because something is culturally acceptable does not make it normal or scientifically verifiable. One can only think of the litany of examples we could use here (insert and refute my predicable reference to nazi Germany or racism HERE).

            Valero, it’s been a slice. But I have better things to do than argue with you (like reproduce more offspring ?). It’s very evident (and it is ample fro your great amount of posts) that you love to argue (vociferously) and verbally attack anyone who may actually differ with you. And since I’ve got a lot of grass to watch grow, I’ll let you rehash your tired arguments with some other chump who takes your troll bait (as I have so foolishly done).

            There is more going on In your heart than ‘bare facts’, which is why trying to convince you of my position is an impossibility. You ‘know’ I’m brainwashed. I ‘know’ your brainwashed. I’ve read ur arguments and you’ve read mine. So now what?

            Until you are regenerated and given a new heart, this will remain a stale mate. (Insert your “aha, I knew he was a brainwashed Christian” [and corresponding ‘unbiased’ ad hominems] HERE).

            Been there, done it. Valri, I used to argue on your side. Then Christ saved me and gave me a new heart and new eyes. I am praying now that He would sovereignly do the same for you. Life is miserable and hopeless apart from knowing Christ. Life is meaningless and chaotic apart from God’s order (I do watch the news [yes, even NBC…gasp). I’ve tasted the world and the accolades of academia, and it pales with knowing Christ, who has forgiven me of all my sins.

            Speaking of which, I humbly apologize for my ‘idiocies’ that may have been offensive.

            Take care man. Call me what you want. But I’ve also studied this out from more than just your worldly perspective, and still disagree with you.

            In Christ and for His glory to the end of the earth, ryan

            *please note I will probably not respond to any further posts. I just don’t have time to argue. Plus it feeds the stereotype of angry Christians mad at the world. I’m not. I hope God gives you eyes to see this.

          • Valri

            “That totally refutes my point ;)”

            It certainly does, if you’re going to make the ridiculous claim that it’s not natural. If it goes on in the animal kingdom, I’d say that was pretty natural.

            “You’ve only stated something I already believe: we live in a fallen, and therefore broken, messed up world.”

            That’s a matter of opinion, Ryan Case. I happen to elect nt to follow your cruel monster of a God who would make people attracted to the same sex and then condemn them to everlasting fire because of it. I would question the sanity of anyone who elected to believe something to preposterous.

            “Question for you to think about (before answering with someone else’s
            canned response): Why is it that the APA or WHO has just recently had a
            ‘change of mind’? (We could add Obama and ms. Hillary as well). Answer:
            Because of the militant movement taking over the media and culture.”

            Firstly Ryan Case, my answers are facts, not canned responses. Why did the APA change is position? Because of new facts and data that came from scientific study. That’s how science corrects itself all the time. Incidentally Ryan Case, the earth isn’t flat, either. We learned from that error a long time ago.

            “Scientifically, the data is the same. But the interpretation has
            changed. And still, there is no (!!!) unanimous scientific evidence that
            homosexuality is normal.”

            The data may be the same – probably always was – but the methodology of its study has improved. And yes, apart from NARTH and a few stone age religions, there is plenty of evidence that homosexuality is normal. Problem is, you have to read it from credible sources, and Answers in Genesis or Jack Chick tracts are not credible.

            “Finally, just because something is culturally acceptable does not make it normal or scientifically verifiable.”

            However, that DOES happen to be the case here.

            “I’ll let you rehash your tired arguments with some other chump who takes your troll bait (as I have so foolishly done).”

            Troll bait? Ryan Case, I believe it was YOU who attacked ME right out of the blue. Not the other way around. I was talking to Oboehner. Not you.

            Have a fun life. It’s cute watching you pretend your hate and lies are something that Jesus wants you to do. Let me guess, you also deny evolution. A fundamentalist is a fundamentalist is a fundamentalist.

          • Valri

            Oh, look, everyone. Oboehner believes that homosexuality is no different than people who like to have sex with animals. And what kind of comments here are removed? The ones that actually take comments like that and label them for what they are – hate speech.

            Oboehner, consent is something you really need to take the time to learn about and actually comprehend. Consenting adults hurt no one and are not bound to the rules of your religion. People who do filthy things to animals who cannot consent go to jail. Do you understand now?

          • Oboehner

            Tossing the term “hate speech” around willy nilly doesn’t change a thing, sexual attraction is sexual attraction whether it’s homo or animal. You can’t pick and choose to fit your little world view.

          • Valri

            Sexual attraction isn’t the issue. Consent is, and legal issues are, neither of which you’ve shown that you have any concept of.

          • Oboehner

            Since when do animals have to give consent? They sure as he!! don’t when we eat them.

          • Valri

            And is it illegal for us to eat them?

          • Oboehner

            And some parts of the country sodomy is still illegal.

          • Valri

            Which has nothing to do with homosexuality.

    • RWH

      A good hospital administration cannot allow one individual to disrupt the harmony and morale of other hospital staff. Dr. Church’s comments were personal and vicious. He may be an expert in his field, but his gay/lesbian co-workers are also experts in what they do, some with better credentials than Dr. Church. If I were one such co-worker, I would object strongly to someone referring to me as disease-ridden and a danger to everyone’s health coupled with Bible verses that stated that I should be killed. For thee years, the hospital tried to work with him, so I think that the gay/lesbian staff had to put up with an awful lot of crap before the administration deemed Dr. Church a hopeless cause. He’s toast, and people who think things through critically realize that Dr. Church was given multiple opportunities to act in a civil manner. Unfortunately, his attitude is all about himself and not for others. Brian Camanker is the only one reporting on this, and he has a reputation for selectively reporting facts to create his own version of the truth. That nobody else (some of whom have access to most all the facts in this case) is joining him is very revealing.

      I also question the moral and ethical standards of those who simply take Brian Camanker’s word for things without doing some independent fact checking.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      So you believe that the only two grounds for firing an employee are “endangering the life of another” or “breaking the law in some way”? And that a sufficient defense to being fired is believing what you say?

    • Reason2012

      He was pointing out the facts of the incredible health risks of such behavior – no belief necessary there.

  • OhSoGood

    Buh bye!

  • crusader51

    Our Nation has lost its way and insanity has become the normal function of our governing bodies. You elect and appoint evil men and women to positions of authority and you see evil abound under their control.
    Every person of Faith in America had better wake up and vote for ethical leaders not crooks that promise more free stuff…..as we have seen under Obama that free stuff has had a great cost that will effect many generations to come.

  • Reason2012

    So now you get fired for pointing out the FACTUAL health risks? The perversion activists continue to attack morality and truth. Continue to pray for our country – it’s clear God’s judgment of giving a nation over to perversions that in turn have given Him up is clearly hitting America.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      Setting aside the issue of whether what he said really was factual or not, this story is actually simpler than that.

      The problem is that something being a fact doesn’t automatically insulate you from being disciplined for saying it. I could go on my company’s intranet and post lurid, graphic descriptions of the serial murders committed by Richard Ramirez, but I would be disciplined and ultimately, dismissed for it. Yes, even if every word of it is absolutely true. Because it’s offensive and irrelevant.

      • Reason2012

        We’re talking about factual health risks spoken of by a doctor who is supposed to talk about health risks, not a random person at a random company speaking graphically about murders, which has nothing to do with his or her job to boot. Utterly faulty comparison.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          So, it has to be relevant, not just factual?

  • Reason2012

    From the government website Center of Disease Control:

    www dot cdc dot gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/fastfacts-msm-final508comp.pdf

    MSM : men who sleep with men:

    “MSM account for nearly **HALF** of the approximately 1.2 million people living with HIV in the United States (49%, or an estimated 580,000 total persons).”

    You get that? HALF of all people living with AIDS partake in homosexuality. But only 4% of the overall population partakes in homosexuality. 96% of the population that do not partake in homosexual activities account for the other HALF of people with AIDS. This proves the order of magnitude for getting AIDS is many, many times higher for those who partake in homosexual_sex.

    44 TIMES higher chance of getting AIDS if you engage in homosexual_sex.

    “MSM account for more than half of all new HIV infections in the United States each year (61%, or an estimated 29,300 infections). While CDC estimates that only 4 percent of men in the United States are MSM, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the United States is more than 44 times that of other men (range: 522 – 989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per100,000 other men).”

    So the 4% that participate in homosexual_sex account for HALF of ALL cases.

    If we made smoking illegal because of second hand smoke, it’s time we wake up and see homosexual_sex as being the killer it is and stop trying to promote it among our kids and grandkids, which is what happens once you make homosexual ‘marriage’ legal. Promoting a sexual perversion to our kids that is 44 TIMES MORE LIKELY to cause them to get AIDs and risk death.

    But if you point this out, you are fired. If you doubted it before, do you see now how the homosexual agenda has clearly taken root and it’s all about indoctrination by bullying, intimidation and hate? What do you think they are feeding your kids and grandkids in kindergarten? Google homosexual kindergarten and see.

    • John N

      From the same website:

      >’Complex Factors Increase Risk:
      High prevalence of HIV: The existing high prevalence of HIV among gay and bisexual men means MSM face a greater risk of being exposed to infection with each sexual encounter, especially as they get older’

      People who are married tend to have less sexual encounters with others besides their partner. So actually, SSM could help reduce this problem.

      Also:

      >’Social discrimination and cultural issues: For some MSM, social and economic factors, including homophobia, stigma, and lack of access to health care may increase risk behaviors or be a barrier to receiving HIV prevention services.

      Now what about this, Reason, do you accept this responsibility? What if Fundamentalist Christians like you stopped treating homosexual people as ‘perverts’?

      • Reason2012

        > So actually, SSM could help reduce this problem. homophobia, stigma, and lack of access to health care may increase risk behaviors <

        So "homophobia" leads those who are into homosexual behaviors to have more_sex partners? How do you figure?

        What if homosexual activists like you stop pretending those who disagree with you have a phobia – because while they're pointing out health facts to warn others so they can avoid such an untimely death, you seem busy instead hatefully attacking any who point out these health facts while promoting that behavior that leads to such premature deaths.

        Why don't you care so many of like minded people are engaged in behavior that leads to death?

        • John N

          So in other words, you use the statements on a website if they conform to your idea but reject them when they don’t? You know how that is called?

  • evea

    Dr. Church ..people hate the truth.

  • Rebecca

    Even worse, the practice of homosexuality is an abomination. I appreciate those who are homosexual, but refrain from engaging in sex. Unfortunately, they are a small number.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      Probably because most gay people don’t live their lives worried about how you perceive them.

      • Rebecca

        Doesn’t matter to me. Someday they will be worried 🙂

        • Mark Bouckaert

          Why would you smile over this? Heterosexuals and homosexuals are dying horribly over this.

          • Rebecca

            The smile is not about the aids.

          • Disqusdmnj

            Nope, seems to be about making people “pay” for what you believe is a “sin”. Pretty horrible way to think, IMO.

  • Becky

    “HIV severely affects gay and bisexual men—more than any other group in the United States. Gay and bisexual men make up about 2% of the overall population, but account for approximately two-thirds of all new HIV infections each year. Data included in CDC’s 2013 National HIV Prevention Progress Report show that there was a 12% increase in new infections among gay and bisexual men overall between 2008 and 2010, and a 22% increase among young gay and bisexual men aged 13-24. Gay and bisexual men also account for over half of the 1.1 million people living with HIV in the United States. A 2011 study in 20 U.S. cities found that 18% of gay or bisexual men had HIV. That’s about 1 in 6 men. Of these men, 33% did not know they had HIV. Those who are unaware that they have HIV may infect others without knowing it. Also, those who do not know they are HIV-positive are not able to get HIV treatment that can protect their health and reduce the chance of transmitting HIV to their partners.” (Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

    Dr. Church has valid reasons to be concerned (based on medical facts), as should everyone else.

    • RWH

      The big problem does not rest with medical facts even though Dr. Church selectively quotes from the CDC and nicely omits those nasty inconvenient facts that state that this is everybody’s disease, not just to a particular group. The big problem rests with the very fact that he was singling out those employees of the hospital that identify themselves as gay/lesbian. What proof did he have that his colleagues were involved in risky behaviors or were spreading disease? Had he stuck to promiscuous sex and dealt with the general public, nobody would have complained. Even the gays agree with this. However, he was aiming his poison at his co-workers and was creating a hostile work environment that the Administration had to address. Because of his failure to cooperate, he propagated a hostile environment for at least three years. One cannot have a productive work environment, especially in a hospital, when one individual keeps on stirring up the hornet’s nest, especially when he sets the hornets upon those whom he does not approve of.

      • Becky

        “The big problem rests with the very fact that he was singling out those employees of the hospital that identify themselves as gay/lesbian.”

        Is the CDC also guilty of “singling out”, or “discrimination,” “harassment,” and “unprofessional conduct” when they present studies to the public regarding homosexuality and HIV? Of course, not, they’re simply stating facts to the public. Clearly, they’re not under attack by the homosexual activist groups.

        However, the CDC isn’t a Christian Doctor and that’s the crux of the matter. These homosexual activists will not allow any Christian to impart any truths and/or facts that might bring opposition to their propaganda, even when it’s delivered by an expert, based on scientific facts. Their goal is to rid the nation, even the world, of anything that opposes their propaganda and the biggest target is Christianity.

        • Disqusdmnj

          It seems he was against homosexuality as a person’s trait. If he wanted to tackle any potential *medical* issues, be they from homo- or hetero- contact (since both can cause illnesses, disease, or worse), then he merely need say that those who engage in such acts must take care to protect themselves.

          A doctor is only worried about care, prevention, and treatment. Someone who lets religion influence their thinking is worried about what they see as “sin”, which has no place in the medical arena.

          • Becky

            “It seems he was against homosexuality as a person’s trait.”

            That’s your opinion.

            “A doctor is only worried about care, prevention, and treatment.”

            You make them sound like robots that aren’t allowed to be humans with convictions. There are religious and non-religious doctors everywhere.

            “Someone who lets religion influence their thinking is worried about what they see as “sin”, which has no place in the medical arena.”

            A narrow-minded and false statement. Dr. Church has just as much right to freely practice his religious beliefs at his workplace, as the homosexual activists have to freely spread their propaganda.

          • Disqusdmnj

            And his employer is free to terminate him if he is unable to do his job in accordance with their policies.

    • Mark Bouckaert

      2%? You lost me on the first line with your obvious lack of facts. Show me the statistics from a reputable source please.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Good job, Becky – spot on!

      • Becky

        Thank you for your support! Praise God!
        ; )

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          Just like this doctor, you will be hated for speaking the truth. But, I think you know that already.

    • Mark

      People don’t want to hear medical facts, just like they don’t want to know the perverted practices.

  • Bertha Warren

    Some people do not want hear the truth, some us will die in our sin because, we don’t hear the truth.

  • jacqueline

    You don’t need to be a Dr to know that the facts are true in this respect ,since when is a Dr now not to warn patients of the health risks ….the patients are taking and their declined life expectancy due to their lifestyle .The world has gone crazy !!!

    • RWH

      The doctor was never told not to warn patients of health risks, but this particular health risk is not related to his expertise. He was told not to harass his colleagues.

  • Mark Bouckaert

    From the Boston Business Journal:

    “According to Mass Resistance, Church asked to stop receiving gay pride emails in 2012. When he received more emails, he posted public comments to the posts in 2013 and 2014, saying “celebrating sexual perversions is highly inappropriate.””

    In other words, he wasn’t even restricting his comments to medical opinion. He was outright making inflammatory comments on a business intranet site. I’m glad he got let go.

    I found it very odd, that this article and many others I’ve found have not quoted once what Dr. Church said. If, as the article states, he was only stating medical facts, then why aren’t these “facts” quoted to us?

  • Peter Leh

    knowing a little about the medical field i can assure you these are opinions of the doctor not medical facts.

    the hospital is asking the doctor to stick to medicine not offend others in the hospital community and patients.

    No one has a problem with facts.

    • Disqusdmnj

      You know what site this is, right? 😉

      • Peter Leh

        He he.. yes i know.

        a welcome distraction for me… one day I’ll dust my feet off and go make some money.

  • Harry Oh!

    This type of persecution of normal, sane people, who simply speak the truth, will get worse and worse. The powers at be don’t care what the facts are. Just like evolution, the gay lifestyle will be shoved lock, stock and barrel down our throats irregardless of facts, evidence or rational thought.

  • Gary McGee

    I don’t believe the Dr. gave his opinion. Clearly he quoted God’s word regarding the consequences of an abominable life of sodomy. The world of reprobates hates the truth. They always have.