School Issues Apology Over Assignment Asserting Evolution Opponents ‘Are Trying to Mislead You’

AssignmentDELTONA, Fla. — Officials at a middle school in Florida have issued an apology after parents expressed concern over a science assignment that told students that evolution is not a theory and those who would believe otherwise “are trying to mislead you.”

According to reports, an unspecified number parents of students at Heritage Middle School complained after learning that their children had been given the assignment. They state that their concern is not so much that their child was introduced to evolution, but rather that the lesson was “taking the [incalculation] rights away from the parents.”

“[T]he hair on the back of my neck stood up,” parent Jennifer Flinchum told WKMG-TV.

“Next time someone tries to tell you that evolution is just a theory, as a way of dismissing it, as if it’s just something someone guessed at, remember that they’re using the non-scientific meaning of the word,” the lesson at issue reads.

“If that person is a teacher, or minister, or some other figure of authority, they should know better,” it asserts. “In fact, they probably do, and are trying to mislead you.”

Following opposition from parents, Principal Thomas Vaughn wrote a letter to parents of all eighth grade students apologizing for the assignment and promising that the lesson would not be used again.

“Recently in 8th grade science assignment titled ‘Not just a theory,’ was distributed in an attempt to address current science standards for differentiating scientific theory and scientific law,” he wrote. “The reading does meet this criterion up until the last two sentences that state, ‘If that person is a teacher, or minister, or some other figure of authority, they should know better… In fact, they probably do, and are trying to mislead you.”

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“Upon this coming to our knowledge, the lesson had been retracted,” Vaughn continued. “In fact, please know that we apologize for this resource being used and take comfort knowing that it will not be used again. At no time, is it our place to interfere with authorities of household beliefs.”

Three science teachers had used the lesson at the school and had crafted the language themselves.

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  • Matilde Tavares

    Mr Kasich it would. not be divisible if everybody knows and stands for principle! Ie., if everybody stood for right vs compromise wrong for votes=political correctness! You have been bought by someobby is my guess, for u dont have convictions of principle, in the case specifically of being a supposed christian? Nothing divisive about it, except what is wrong is wrong & what is right is right. No question of division! Just a question of principles!

  • John

    If he would only read his Bible and learn what biblical love is. I won’t vote for him.

    • amostpolitedebate

      He’s a Christian. He just doesn’t feel he needs the bible to make pragmatic fact-based decisions.

      • The Last Trump

        Oh. So he’s NOT a Christian then.
        Thanks. Got it.

        • Jim H

          So are you saying pragmatic fact-based thinking is incompatible with being a Christian?

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          That was a good one, Trump – yet few will get it.

          • Champoogne

            Oh, do you think so?
            How extraordinary.

        • Nofun

          Not a fundamentalist … no one should be.

  • TerryChapman

    Spoken like a true politician afraid to offend someone. He won’t get my vote if he doesn’t allow God to guide him with his decision making.

    • Terrapin1234

      So you want a theocracy?

      • TerryChapman

        I would rather have a Theocracy than what we have now. People doing what seem right in their own eyes never works out for the good of the people.

        • Terrapin1234

          I really don’t think you’ve considered the ramifications of a theocracy. Have you heard of Iran? Iraq? Afghanistan?

        • amostpolitedebate

          Agreed. All of that “freedom” and “personal liberty” garbage is way overrated.

  • Gt Larabee

    Sort of puts you in mind of Peter denying Jesus, doesn’t it? However, Jesus let Peter become the Head of the Church….just like God the Father let David become King in spite of his short falls…..it was because He knew their hearts. Don’t be so quick to judge my fellow Christians….Who are you to question the ways of the Lord? Remember how the Lord scolded Job for questioning Him, and then scolded Job’s friend for questioning Job.. As you recall Job’s friends did not stand behind him, saying that he must have done something wrong to displease God, and he was being punished.

    • KenS

      Peter did not become the Head of the Church, Christ is the Head of the Church. Peter was no more or less important than any of the apostles. The Apostle Paul even had to admonish Peter for his actions when he tried to separate himself from the gentile believers. If Peter had Headship of the Church as you are implying, Paul would not have felt comfortable in giving said admonishment. This is evident when Paul apologized when he realized that he was talking to the high priest in another instance.

    • Laurence Charles Ringo

      Peter is NOT The Head of The Church; Christ Himself is,Gt Larabee.

  • Emmanuel

    I wonder if there’s a bible at the white house, capital and supreme court? Doubt it!!

    • Terrapin1234

      I would hope not!

      • Emmanuel

        Wonder why our county is morally dead? In second thought, you don’t care.

        • Nofun

          It isn’t. It is accepting that secular morality is superior to religious “interpret any way you like” morality

          • Emmanuel

            Secular morality?!? That is funny. Superior!?! Even more funny. LOL

          • Nofun

            You have to able say rationally why something is moral and define the morals the context …. otherwise you don’t have a morality.

            Biblical interpreted morality can be interpreted anyway you like so its morally relative. It also has diametrically opposed versus that allow you to take any position on certain moral questions.

          • Emmanuel

            So the ten commandments are not what they say they are? How can we screw up thou shalt not steal? Thou shalt not murder? How can we redefine steal and murder to mean something else?

          • Nofun

            The first 5 are just god whining about being number one and nothing to do with morality at all.

            Do you really think there weren’t laws against lying, killing and adultery before the bible? Christians don’t own these concepts.

            As for honoring your parents …. why if they are insane abusers. Some parents don’t deserve any honoring.

          • Emmanuel

            Dude, your last statement is pretty insightful.

          • Nofun

            Yea, funny you can’t argue that the 10 commandments are any guide to morality though, hey.

          • Emmanuel

            I can argue. But, you will not listen so what’s the point. Just know, when you are ready to listen, many of us on here will gladly teach you. Until then, enjoy.

          • Nofun

            I’m listening. I just had a haircut so I am all ears.

          • Emmanuel

            Let morality 101 begin. Ready to get schooled?

          • Nofun

            Sure.

            Can you tell me how banning abortion is moral when history has shown it causes women and girls to get dead diseased en masse and you still have abortion?

            Then tell us how you can support capital punishment and be against murder?

            Round it off by telling us how biblical morality like forcing a raped woman to marry her rapist, killing your own children if they disobey you and the 100s of other biblical recommendations that we have laws against, are moral.

          • Emmanuel

            Here come the old testament laws. We no longer live under those laws because of what Christ did. So let’s not go there just yet. Morality is the attempt to define what is right and wrong. Correct? Our state and local laws are like morality. No speeding, no kicking dogs, PC 187 and so on. We are told, by law, how to live and our limits. Do we obey? Yes. Do we disobey? Yes; speeding comes to mind. Are there consequences, yup.
            Its the same with Christ. The Bible and the Holy Spirit in us guides us and shows us what is right and wrong. Do we obey? Yup and do disobey/sin? Yup. Consequences? Yup, separates us from God.
            So, as a believer we follow the morality established by God. Non believers follow whatever morality you/they create. I heard an atheist say his morality comes from the constitution. Cool!
            So if morality is what you make it, why are you upset with the morality set by God if you don’t believe?

          • Nofun

            Ahh the old dodge that the old testament doesn’t apply anymore …… good one. Well it can’t be the gospel truth anymore. So the messiah prophecy can’t be true then or the ten commandments.

            The problem with your analogy is those laws we live under were created by real men in the real world for rational reasons. A magic invisible god’s magic book holds no authority and can’t explain why something is moral or immoral except by godly threats.

            The 4000 christian sects can’t agree on what Christianity actual is. You don’t pray or consult the bible to make everyday moral decisions you know instantly as those decisions are based on the way you are brought up and your circle of family, friends and acquaintances.

            Morality isn’t what you make it. The irrational is not rational because you want it to be. But you can find a bible verse to justify any insane action and if you can’t you can just choose to interpret some verse the way you want it. Thus its morally relative.

          • Emmanuel

            OK, live like you want. Good luck.

          • Nofun

            Giving up a little easy aren’t we.

          • Emmanuel

            No point in the discussion.

          • Nofun

            So we agree secular morality is a morality and biblical morality isn’t.

          • Emmanuel

            Ok, so go out and live via your morality and I will live through God’s. Layers.

          • Nofun

            You will regret it when you discover you lived the only life you get pretending to be someone you are not.

            I just want to save you from that horror.

          • Emmanuel

            Same with you. When you pass, you will finally see if you were right or wrong. Good luck and enjoy your only life.

        • Terrapin1234

          You actually think your Bible gives you morality? Ethics? You think that because you blindly follow a religion it makes you better than others? Yeah, I don’t think so, Skippy.

          • Emmanuel

            I’m not in a religion. So man made rules don’t apply to me. If you read the bible, you can clearly see that it does. I’m not better than anyone else because I’m a mess but I believe in a forgiving Savior.

          • Nofun

            I bet this personal Jesus agrees with everything you think, judges you on your high and mighty ideals and judges others on their actions.

            How do I know? Because he is you.

          • Terrapin1234

            If you believe in God and Jesus, then yes, you’re in a religion. It’s called Christianity.

          • Emmanuel

            Wrong. You need to download the Webster dictionary and do some studying.

          • Nofun

            Terrapin1234 is absolutely correct.

            You can’t run from the actions of religion by pretending you have your own personal Jesus.

          • Emmanuel

            LOL, my relationship with Jesus is my own and not an organized relationship. He died on the cross for our sins but he had me in mind. I read his word and I learn on my own. No one tells what to think or believe. I have a personal relationship with Him. I’m a Christian because I believe in Christ, his death, resurrection and return. I don’t need man made rules (dressing, chants) to growth in Christ. If you need the religion and systems to make yourselves feel holy, keep trucking.

          • Nofun

            You only know any of the Jesus story through bibles written by religions. Unless you aren’t a human you are man made too and are interpreting and cherry picking this bible in the vain attempt to extract some morality out of it.

            If the 4000 Christian sects can’t agree on the “true” interpretation why is yours correct? The reality is you have no real world evidence of this entity at all you are having a personal relationship with.

            It is a faith construct. Stop believing it and it disappears and leaves no hole. Reality provides everything a faith construct pretends to without the need for faith.

            The Jesus story is also just an exact rewrite of the older Horus and Mithra legends.

          • Emmanuel

            You are not correct. I do have the experience with hearing, talking and seeing the Holy spirit. Now don’t try rebuttal because we are on different spiritual levels. You don’t have these experiences because you lack faith and belief. When you finally decide to give your spirit a try, reach out. You will never question Jesus again. The bible is a guide for us believers, the word of God directs us and tells us what is right and wrong. He is black or white and hot or cold. There’s no middle ground with God. Its either you are with or against God, pick!

          • Nofun

            You haven’t. There are no spiritual levels because there is no such thing as spirituality. There are levels of delusion and seeing and hearing supernatural entities is high on the list.

            Once you go atheist you can never go back.The spell is broken. The faith construct collapses and disappears and leaves no trace.

            The search for spirituality is the existential dilemma of man the animal versus man with the limitless mind …. but solved in the wrong way.

            You can’t just believe a bunch of stuff, even to the point of seeing and hearing things, and think you have captured the truth.

            The bible is not the truth because the truth is a direction not a destination. The bible also claims to be a book of answers, but the answers make no sense unless you take the hard journey in the direction of the truth to find them.

            We need answers to use and function but ironically they are all
            fleeting as they give rise to more questions. These questions need to be pursued in the direction of truth and will eventually undermine the original answers. At best the original answers will live on as valid only in a limited domain. And so it goes.

            The new answers like the old answers are vital and need to be used but now you see them for what they … just the of this journey to them. They are signposts but also hooks to temporarily fasten ourselves to before the next part of the climb begins.

            Faith that claims to capture truth and act as eternal answers fails before it begins because answers and truth aren’t like that.

            Faith requires more faith to sustain it as the real world threatens to tear it down. People try to wall themselves off into world views that censor reality where it doesn’t match up to their faith. This futile action has a terrible consequence as you are no longer living YOUR life.

            You attempt to live as someone or something else … a christian. Which is just a cherry picked gestalt of biblical notions that 4000 christian sects can’t agree on.

            As many geriatric nurses will attest, at the end of ones life some Christians find no comfort at all in their faith. They suddenly realize they wasted the only life they get pretending to be someone they were not …. and now its too late. That realization is worse than a 1000 hells. I just wish to spare you that.

            Instead of fighting and censoring reality and trying to annihilate yourself in some supernatural ultimate authority, consider embracing reality and living the life you want as the individual you are.

            Again reality provides you everything belief claims to …. and unlike belief is rock solid and doesn’t require constant work to sustain it.

            Here endth the lesson.

          • Emmanuel

            Yup, good luck.

          • Nofun

            I thought you were going to school me on morality … seems you can’t justify christian morality. Welcome to atheism.

          • Emmanuel

            I can explain morality but you don’t want to hear it.

          • Nofun

            I do.

          • Emmanuel

            No you dont. You want us to say something so you make fun and belittle us. You are very knowledgeable of scripture and you know the truth. So you get to decide your own morality, teach your kids between your right and wrong and you make your own path. See you on another thread.

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            Oh,please,Nofun…frankly, you’re making a fool out of yourself here;if you actually knew ANYTHING about Authentic Christianity you will realize how asinine you sound.NO ONE but the outdated fringe pseudo-“scholars”believe that Horus/Mithra drivel anymore; even Bart Erhman knows better.Come into 21st century Biblical scholarship,conducted by REAL sholars,secular AND ecclesiastical.The Jesus Seminar has been weighed in the balance and found wanting,dude.

          • Nofun

            Really? Lets recap shall we:

            1.Both were conceived of a virgin.

            2.Both were the “only begotten son” of a god (either Osiris or Yahweh)

            3.Horus’s mother was Meri, Jesus’s mother was Mary.

            4.Horus’s foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus’s foster father was Joseph.

            5.Both foster fathers were of royal descent.

            6.Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable).

            7.Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel. Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East).

            8.Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21 (the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25.

            9.Both births were announced by angels (this si nto the same as number 7).

            10.Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.

            11.Horus was visited at birth by “three solar deities” and Jesus was visited by “three wise men”.

            12.After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.

            13.To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, “Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.” To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to “arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.”

            14.When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where hsi eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.

            15.Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual.
            Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30.

            16.Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.

            17.Both were baptized at age 30.

            18.Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.

            19.Both Anup and John were later beheaded.

            20.Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.

            21.Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.

            22.Both have 12 disciples.

            23.Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.

            24.Horus “stilled the sea by his power.” Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, “Peace, be still.”

            25.Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)

            26.Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Bethanu (literally, “house of Anu”).

            27.Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.

            28.Both were crucified.

            29.Both were crucified next to two thieves.

            30.Both were buried in a tomb.

            31.Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back “three days” later (although Friday night to Sunday morning is hardly three days).

            32.Both had their resurrection announced by women.

            33.Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.

            34.Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means “anointed one”).

            35.Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.

            36.Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).

            37.Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd’s crook.

            38.Horus was born in Anu (“the place of bread”) and Jesus was born in Bethlehem (“the house of bread”).

            39.”The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: ‘Out of Egypt have I called my son.'”

            40.Both were transfigured on the mount.

            41.The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of “Madonna and Child.” Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called “Immaculate”.

            42.Horus says: “Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power.” And Jesus says: “Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once.”

            43. Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).

    • Gt Larabee

      I was wondering the same thing myself today, right after awaking in the morning. A funny thought to have I thought to myself while making my bed up in the morning after a full nights sleep. But it often happens that the Holy Spirit speaks to my heart after a nights sleep. The question further arose as to whether the President goes to church every Sunday with his family, and if there is a small chapel in the White House? And then of course, is there a Bible in the White House? You’d think so, “What with everyone swearing on it to take an oath of office, or to tell the truth?” …..What a coincidence Emmanuel, perhaps we are on the same frequency?

      • Emmanuel

        Same Holy Spirit

      • wandakate

        I think the same HOLY SPIRIT that speaks to one is going to speak to the other.
        I can’t imagine why they would swear an oath on a HOLY BIBLE while never doing what it says. They don’t honor it, they follow the calendar of man and the laws and rules of the supreme court etc. but avoid and ignore GOD’s laws and His commands. So, what’s the point?
        I heard that Mr. O bows on his mat to Allah, so I wouldn’t think he would be going to church on a man-made day. I think they do that on Friday don’t they? Saturday is the Sabbath of the LORD and Sunday is the day that everybody else worships. We follow the laws of man, and not the laws of GOD.

    • amostpolitedebate

      Well considering Obama’s a Christian, probably yes for the White House.

      As for the SC, why should there be?

      • Emmanuel

        Obama is no more a Christian than Hilary using her emails correctly.

    • wandakate

      Probably a satanic bible…in honor of satan.

      • Nofun

        You really think that don’t you?

  • amostpolitedebate

    Kasich continues to impress me. To date he’s one of MAYBE 4 Republicans I’d consider voting for.

  • Gt Larabee

    I saw the media’s line of questioning as a trap for Kasich. Having read scriptures, I immediately thought of how the pharisees’ tried to politically trap Jesus, and he retorted with the example of the coin. That reporter was simply trying to get Kasich to profess his christian religion. Kasich failed the test. Maybe if Kasich read scripture a little more, this would not have happened. But that does not make Kasich a bad candidate for Governor, nor did it make Peter a Poor Pope, or King David a Bad King, as God knows the hearts of men and forgave them both. Likewise, I am sure God has forgiveness for Kasich, as Kasich has taken great political risk in getting Medicad for the Poor, and didn’t take the opportunity to be mean spirited towards Gays. But I will venture to say, John will be given two more opportunities to profess his Faith. Let’s see what he will do when the opportunity arises again

  • FoJC_Forever

    Christians, those who follow Jesus (the) Christ into the Kingdom of God are not going to be asked any questions at the “pearly gates”. This is a cultural and religious myth.

    Follow Jesus, find Truth.

    • wandakate

      JESUS did say, “Not everyone who says to me LORD, LORD, on that day will enter into the Kingdom of GOD, but only those who ‘DID’ the will of the FATHER”.
      That very statement says it all, He was looking for our OBEDIENCE.

      • FoJC_Forever

        A person has to know Jesus (the) Christ to know the Will of the Father to do it. Most just follow their vain, man-made doctrines extrapolated from multiple sources, rather than from following Jesus (the) Christ. The planet is crawling with millions upon millions of people who claim to be Christian but do not know nor hear from the LORD.

        Those who have not been Baptized by Jesus with the Holy Spirit only have a form of godliness with none of God’s redeeming power.

  • Don Hamilton

    First, I was surprised to discover that Anglicans believed in God. It seems as though Mr Kasick believes that he can use the power of the government to take money from people who have and give it to those who don’t, and then pat himself on the back for doing a charitable deed. Don’t get me wrong I believe those of us who are followers of Christ are obligated to provide for the needy, but I don’t believe we should pay Ceaser to do that for us. It is clear the he doesn’t read the Bible to determine his course in life. He stated that he used Medicaid money to treat mentally ill prisoners with a 10% recidivism rate. I spent about 3 decades working as a Psychiatric Techician in California state hospital system providing treatment to persons with mental disorders. I am extremely skeptical of those numbers. In other words he is lying.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Yes he is lying – for political gain – thank you for posting this!

    • Nofun

      Doesn’t the church use the power of godly retribution to take money from people who have it and give it to those who don’t, and
      then pat themselves on the back for doing a charitable deed.

      • Don Hamilton

        You have a basic misunderstanding of orthodox Chritianity. I as a Christianity believe my money, my property, even my body are not mine. They belong to God. Therefore giving something away that does not belong to me, would not be a reason for me to pat myself on the back. Thanks Nofun for an oportunity to represent my position.

        • Nofun

          So you are robot then with no choice.

        • Don Hamilton

          No statement I made would preclude me from exercising my free will.

          • Nofun

            Free will makes no sense in christianity.

            If there is no free will, we all believe, and everyone goes to heaven. With free will there are only two binary choices one leading to heaven and the other leading to hell.

            So god is laying a trap for you if you actually exercise your free will … all while hiding and never showing any evidence of his existence.

          • Don Hamilton

            Wait, I’m confused. If I have two binary choices doesn’t that mean I have four choices. Where are the other two?

          • Nofun

            Alright its a tautology smarty pants. Well spotted.

          • wandakate

            GOD doesn’t lay traps, those come from satan…

          • Nofun

            Satan is christian mythology too.
            Ever wondered why god doesn’t just zap Satan?
            If not he is using him to trap you.

      • wandakate

        I often wondered if you took clothing and items that people threw away in those big boxes that sit in the shopping center, and then you take it to the poor side of town and give it away or drop it off at the Salvation Army is it would be considered stealing. I look at it as taking and the giving to the needy. Otherwise you don’t know who is getting it or what they are really doing with it, or even if they deserved it in the first place.
        Like take and give, or give and take whichever…

  • Josey

    Jesus says in Matthew 10:34-39 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 and a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

    • Nofun

      And that is relevant how?

      • Josey

        It’s pretty clear to me that Mr. Kaish doesn’t understand Christ’s words by his statements. Sorry you don’t get it.

        • Nofun

          I bet you can’t explain it.

          Seems like he wants to be destroy families because they love one another more than him. He sounds like a jealous, petty narcissist.

          Why would you worship such a creature?

          • amostpolitedebate

            Because he’s a coward and afraid of punishment. Or maybe he just doesn’t want to loose access to his Sunday morning activity club. I don’t know him so it’s hard to say for certain.

          • gramma_d

            why do you hate God when you don’t even believe He exist? How can you hate something or someone when you believe He is a fairy tale?

          • Terrapin1234

            FYI, please don’t assume we “hate” something we don’t believe in.

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            O.K.,Terrapin1234–what exactly is all the atheists’ ranting and raving about??

          • Nofun

            I don’t and never claimed to. I can’t hate a faith construct even if I wanted to.

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            In that case,Nofun…what exactly IS the problem,here?

          • Nofun

            I want to save you from wasting the only life you get pretending to be someone you are not. I don’t even want your money.

          • Josey

            you are the one who does not understand Christ, He is God and worthy of all my praise and worship. He saved me out of the worst kind of darkness and wickedness and adopted me. I am forever grateful to Him!

          • wandakate

            Amen Josey, been there, done that. I died in 2001 and here I am. By the grace of ALMIGHTY GOD am I still here. He had a purpose for my life apparently. I was able to write 5 manuscripts between then and now, so praise the LORD. We are adopted into the family and the Kingdom one day, it doesn’t get any better than that.

          • Nofun

            Umm you didn’t die … because you didn’t die.

            Ahh the godly purpose to you and the universe.

            The one you usefully never find out about until after you are dead.

            It boils down to god does stuff and because he is mysterious we don’t know why. Not exactly making you wiser is t.

          • Nofun

            God is god because he is god.Top logic. Maybe you solved your problems yourself.

          • Ken Campbell

            If you were able to climb out of some dark times, I truly hope you will be able to recognize your resilience and not attribute this to some god or gods. If you do not recognize your own strength, you are unlikely to use it.

          • wandakate

            For the simple reason that He is GOD, and there is no other. There is only one GOD, maker of heaven and of earth.
            He made it all, He owns it all, and in the end He will control it all…It’s within His “power” to open up Heaven or Hell to each individual. Where we go in the end will depend on how we lived our lives here. Just how well we listened to Him and obeyed His word.
            The TRUTH will set you free, but you must know it first before it works.

          • Nofun

            But there is no evidence of a god or the god you worship is the one true god or that a god wants you to worship him.

            4000 christian sects can’t decide on what the bible means. Why is your interpretation the true one?

        • Terrapin1234

          Do you love Jesus/God more than your own children?

          • Josey

            Yes, Jesus comes first in my life above all.

          • Angel Jabbins

            Amen, Josey. We couldn’t love our families very well at all if Christ were not first in our lives. Loving Him and putting Him first helps us to love others.

        • wandakate

          Kinda sounds like Mr. Kasich just does it on his own without any regard to what GOD wants. He just relies on himself. That is just another marker for the last days.

  • WorldGoneCrazy

    “I don’t read a Bible to figure out what I think”

    Well, Johnny, that’s because the Bible doesn’t tell you what YOU think – presumably you already know that! Then again, maybe not. 🙂

    We Christians read the Bible to tell us what God thinks, and then, unlike you, we adjust our thinking and follow Him, instead of ourselves.

    • Nofun

      Yes, never think for yourself. It could be dangerous. You could discover there is no evidence for any god ever …. and then where would you be.

      • amostpolitedebate

        Free on Sunday?

      • gramma_d

        Atheists don’t hate fairies, leprechauns, or unicorns because they don’t exist. It is impossible to hate something that doesn’t exist. Atheists hate God because He does exist. – Ray Comfort.

        • Terrapin1234

          Ray Comfort? You quoted Ray Comfort?

          After his debacle with Kirk Cameron, I’m surprised anyone would consider anything he said. Not to mention he’s a bald faced liar as well.

          • Angel Jabbins

            What debacle would that be? Never heard of any.

            Ray Comfort is one of the nicest, most mild mannered people you could ever meet…and he is not a liar Just because you don’t like his message is no reason to denigrate him. He would be the last person to denigrate you. He tells it as he sees it, yes…. but always with kindness.

          • Terrapin1234

            Yes, Angel, he’s a liar, plain and simple. Ask him why he ommitted 4 chapters from Darwin’s book Origin of Species, when he released his own version of the same book.

            Sorry, but liars are liars.

          • Angel Jabbins

            He is not a liar. He printed and released an edited and abridged version of those books at his own expense to give away to students. In the first edition, some chapters were left out in order to make the book small enough to be affordable as a giveaway. It was not meant to be the whole book…too expensive for him reprint whole book at that time. However, the absent chapters were available for download at a link provided, and the missing chapters were included in the second edition, which had a smaller text size that made printing the entire book as a giveaway affordable.

            It is unfair to call someone a liar when you don’t know ALL the facts.

            Sure. some hard core atheists still keep bringing this up in an effort to discredit him and tarnish his character. But they have their agenda and don’t want to tolerate any other viewpoint other than their own.

            Bottom line: the chapters were not left out to deceive people. It was intended to be an abridge copy in the first place, because of the expense involved. The second addition did include the chapters since they were able to use a better format for printing which made the cost more feasible.(And probably by that time, he was able to raise more in donations to print the full copies.) I am sure this will still not satisfy you though. I find facts never mean much to people who already have their minds made up about something…especially when it comes to evolution and their denial of a creator.

          • Nofun

            His book is full of lies though … why is that?

          • Angel Jabbins

            Lies to you if you are a God-hater, I guess.

            Ray Comfort is not a liar. But you want him to be one so you can ignore the Biblical truth is he trying to tell you about the existence of a Creator, His holy standard, our sinful nature and need of repentance so we can be saved through faith in Jesus Christ from the punishment to come.

            Why do people hate that message so much? Because it is true and they don’t want to believe it. They want to continue to live in their sin as though they are a god onto themselves. But…a day of reckoning is coming. Thank God for the Ray Comforts of the world are trying to reach people with the message of the gospel of life.

            Nofun….no fun to be an atheist.

          • Nofun

            Why do you think a non-scientist knows science better than an actual scientist? He is liar for Jesus.

          • Angel Jabbins

            He is not a liar. He just holds a different opinion than you do and people are entitled to differing opinions. Someone who lies is purposely trying to deceive people. He is not doing anything of the kind. Why are you so threatened by what he believes if it is truly as stupid as you say?

          • Nofun

            Science isn’t an opinion. Hard evidence is not open to conjecture. No matter what you believe and how much you believe it, Comfort is lying about science.

          • Angel Jabbins

            ‘Hard evidence’….’science isn’t an opinion’

            What about the hard evidence of science when it comes to homosexuality…no proof of gay gene whatsoever….and abortion…science proves definitively that human life begins at conception,so therefore killing a baby in the womb is killing a human being.

            You love science and your so-called ‘hard evidence’ only when you think it might favor your belief system, but ignore it when it does not. So…depending on your bias, science IS just an opinion.

            Let’s face it…there is no-set-in-concrete proof God does not exist. It is all theory. Science has not proved anything of the sort….all conjecture because no one was here to witness what happened if life just evolved out of the slime millions and billions of years ago.. On the issues of homosexuality and abortion, however, the hard unchangeable faces are there…but they are politically incorrect so those facts can just be ignored.

          • Nofun

            A recent large scientific study of 409 pairs of gay brothers is the hard evidence about the existence of the so-called ‘gay gene’.

            Research conducted by the NorthShore Research Institute in the US found clear links between male sexual orientation and two specific regions of the human genome, with lead scientist Alan Sanders declaring that the work “erodes the notion that sexual orientation is a choice”.

            The study is three times larger than any previously done and highlights two genetic regions that have been tied to male homosexuality in separate research: Xq28, first identified in 1993, and 8q12, spotted in 2005.

            The set in concrete evidence for god not being real is the complete absence of any real world evidence for him.

          • Ken Campbell

            Do you know when the results of this research is being published?

          • Nofun

            Years ago.

          • Angel Jabbins

            Even if a gay gene can ever be proven through genetic research, that does not necessitate that normalization of homosexuality, bi-sexuality, or transgender behaviors. There are many kinds of genetic birth defects. Having a birth defect or a genetic anomaly does not excuse one from sinful behavior. People still have a choice how they will behave. We do not have to be ruled by our emotions and passions. We are rational beings capable for exercising self-control. (Unpopular concept today, I know. But it is true.) Sex is to be between male and female only. Their bodies were designed for each other, fit together naturally, effortlessly and God established marriage to be between one man and one woman…whether sinful people like it or not. And, it is just common sense when you look at human anatomy.

          • Nofun

            Being with the person you love is not sinful though.
            Your hate and bigotry is.

          • Angel Jabbins

            A daughter wants to ‘be with’ her father…still ok? A man wants to ‘be with’ 10 women whom he ‘loves’. Fine with that, too? Another guy wants to ‘be with’ his dog…after all, he loves him. OK? A woman teacher wants to ‘be with’ her 15 year old male student? Fine and dandy with that? A man wants to be with a young boy whom he has groomed to be his lover….ok with that, too? I mean who are we to judge all of these people? They just want to ‘be with the person they love’ and that can’t be sinful, can it?

            We just want to do whatever we want to because we WANT to.
            Sounds like the reasoning of a 2 year old (but somewhere along the way even he learns there are rules, morals laws that must control our behavior to protect us, others and to bring order to society).

          • Angel Jabbins

            You left out this part:

            “Sanders does not claim to have identified a single gene which ‘causes’ male homosexuality in humans and stresses that with complex human traits like sexual orientation there are many influencing factors, both genetic and environmental.”

            This study does not prove there is no choice on the part of the individual. and does nothing to ‘erode the notion that sexual orientation is a choice”.’ There can be genetic anomalies that predispose people to various behaviors, but that does not mean they are not responsible for their actions. Gay genes, if there are any, would have evolved out of the gene pool through the process of natural selection because the human race would eventually go into extinction since gays cannot reproduce. Any gay gene would be a weak link, not a strong one.

            I just don’t see where this study gives any overwhelming evidence. Behavior is a choice based on morals or lack thereof. Nobody is a robot.

          • Nofun

            That is true because there is no single gene. It a bunch of genes interacting from 2 regions of the genome.

            Being gay has evolutionary advantages to the group in that unlike breeders they use fewer resources and can still hunt, care for young etc. In environments with scarce resources groups with gays would gain an evolutionary advantages over those without.

            The study provides overwhelming evidence … you just can’t accept it. It is not immoral to be gay or to engage in gay sex. No act of which heterosexuals don’t also do.

            Yes, you can deny it and live a lie. It is easier for a Christian to do that as they are already living a lie by pretending to be a christian rather than who they actually are.

          • Angel Jabbins

            What utter nonsense you speak. So being gay (and not being able to reproduce) was actually an ‘advantage’ because gays ‘need fewer resources’ (how so?) and ‘can hunt better and care for the young’ better. What young? Where will these young ones come from? Hmmm….since they cannot reproduce? You make no sense at all. If the gay gene is an advantage, we would expect then that this gene would become dominant (since it is so wonderful). And it that happens, mankind would become extinct. Are you thinking?

            The researcher in that article even admitted that sexual orientation may have MANY influencing factors including environmental factors. I do not see ‘overwhelming evidence’ at all. Just conjecture still.

            Time to give it up.

          • Nofun

            Breeding takes up resources. They take care of others children obviously.

            It would not become dominant for the obvious reason of procreation. But it also would not be removed due to the evolutionary group advantages.

            The researcher was talking about pre-natal situations that trigger the turning on of genes … not deciding not to be gay for the weekend.

            Time you gave up your baseless bigotry and hate.

          • Angel Jabbins

            Like I said…time to give this discussion it up because you are making no sense at all. Breeding takes up resources? Huh? So in your world, children should be raised by gays because the people who give birth to them do not have time to bother with them? What utter nonsense.

            I have no hatred for gay people. I am wanting them to understand that they are in sin and in danger of eternal punishment as sinners. But God is loving and willing to forgive anyone who repents, turns from their sin, and trusts in the Savior who died for them. Such hatred ….that message! No, it is love (tough love) because I don’t want to see anyone perish in hell for eternity. He saved me and I was a very bad sinner myself when He found me. Many gay people are coming to faith in Christ thankfully, proving it is not an inborn and permanent condition.

            Saved from 27 years of homosexuality:
            https: // www. youtube. com/watch?v=aqdQ6_MAH2… (loose the spaces)
            Many other testimonies on YouTube of gays turning to Christ.

          • Nofun

            You are too dumb to understand.

            In a group the duties of child rearing can be shared. Those that don’t breed use less resources but can still do all the other things that those who do breed do.

            You hate gay people … don’t cowardly hide it behind religion. I don’t see attack any other types of sinners. The usual cause for this bigoted condition is that you are gay yourself.

            This was been scientifically validated as only gays and anti-gay zealots get turned on by gay porn.

            If you are gay… the best yo can do is lie to yourself. Its easy. There is no cure or need for a cure. It far easier to give up your religion or at least stop using it hide your hate behind.

          • Angel Jabbins

            What a bunch of inane babble. You outdid yourself this time and have left me utterly speechless. You have no arguments that make any real sense so resort to personal attack…which also makes no sense whatsoever, considering all the I have said in previous comments.

          • Angel Jabbins

            And I will add to what I just said…nobody is a robot …no one has to be controlled by their sexual urges and impulses. That is always a choice. Homosexuality have been proven to be an unhealthy lifestyle, especially with for males. Just read at the CDC website for all the risks involved.

          • Nofun

            Being gay is not a lifestyle. They have exactly the same lifestyle as you except for a few hours a month if they are lucky.

            Do you really think they get up out their gay bed, have a gay breakfast and then drive their gay car to their gay job?

            Take precautions and you will have no STD problems either.

            Exercising your sexuality is not being a robot, its being a human. Being a slave to your piety and pushing your sexuality away from your control is a recipe for disaster.

          • Angel Jabbins

            By ‘robot’, I meant…that a person has no choice since they can just blame it on their genes. But yes they are human and humans can chose how to behave. We all do….to sin or not to sin. That is the essence of this discussion.

            As to no STD problems, there are not enough precautions one could take to prevent the risks and damage that can be done to a person who continually engages no homosexual sex. It is perverted sex, using parts of the body never intended to be used for sex and there are devastating consequences long term.

            Dr. Stephen Goldstone is an open homosexual and author of The Ins and Outs of Gay Sex. He is an Assistant Clinical Professor of Surgery at The Mount Sinai School of Medicine and an expert on “gay men’s health” and “anorectal disorders,” In his book, he discusses the bodily trauma and diseases that result from the violent act of rectal sodomy.

            If you can stomach it, there are excerpts from his book at the following website: http: //americansfortruth. com/issues/gay-sex-health-risks/ (loose the spaces) Even being a gay man, he is not afraid to tell it like is.

            Also Syphilis is up in the gay community: ” A new fact sheet put out by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports a “troubling rise in syphilis infections among gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM).” The federal health agency reports that MSM “account for three quarters (75 percent) of all primary and secondary syphilis cases.”

          • Nofun

            Heteros do anal sex … so that kills that argument dead.

          • Angel Jabbins

            And why would they, when there is no need to use a place full of filth to have sex. The practice is disgusting. Even if it is true that heterosexual people are engaging in such a thing in this day and age, it is just as wrong and just as dangerous for them as for anyone. Medically unsafe and unhealthy….leads to terrible problems down the road….cancer, perforation of the bowel, serious bowel infections an inflammation…who wants that? it is just common sense that people should not abuse their bodies or the bodies of others in such a perverted way. Hard to see how you could defend such a practice. If we truly care about people, we should tell the truth so they understand the risks involved. And standard contraceptive methods do nothing to lessen the serious risks involved in anal sex…no matter whether it is homosexual or heterosexual people. Wrong is wrong. Unhealthy is unhealthy.

          • Bingo

            He knows and understands much because He knows THE Scientist.

          • Nofun

            So god wrote his book. You wouldn’t lie for Jesus would yo?

          • Bingo

            God doesn’t lie, and neither do His people.

          • Roger Peritone

            Wrong. Unless, you, like other apologists, don’t consider lying by omission to be a lie:
            1 Samuel 16:1-5

          • Bingo

            I find it to be the height of foolishness to presume to use scripture to point out devilish ideas. Your presumption has nothing to do with your comment.

            In the meantime, you are greatly loved by God and He desires you to be in intimate relationship with Himself. Receive His free gift of grace—salvation—through faith in Jesus Christ His Son.

          • Roger Peritone

            I note that you can NOT refute my point. I win then.

          • Bingo

            Nope. Jesus Christ has already won it all. You lose.

          • Roger Peritone

            Evidence or Leave.

          • Bingo

            This is Christian News. You get in line or leave.

            The evidence is in the word. You need to know Jesus Christ to unlock the truth from within scripture. Seeing as you are an unbeliever, I cannot expect you to comprehend the truth.

          • Roger Peritone

            The “word” is the CLAIM, not the evidence. And again, you advocate thinking along the lines of: “just accept that what I believe is true, and you’ll see that it’s true”.

          • Bingo

            Hahaha! You are just like John Kasich—you don’t read the bible. Therefore you cannot know the truth.

          • Roger Peritone

            Wrong. I DO read the bible. That’s how I KNOW that it’s not accurate. Got anything better than middle school taunts?

          • Bingo

            Why, when you don’t believe it. It is completely accurate, but of course the futile and foolish reasoning of simple men fight against God and His precious word to them. He loves you and His word is His love letter to you. he has reached out to you to save you from your sin and from sin’s horrendous penalty. Why do you refuse such a blessed free gift?

            Do YOU have anything better than the futile nonsense you speak, here, Roger?

          • Roger Peritone

            His “love letter”? Uh huh. A love letter where he says that if you don’t love him back, he’ll throw me in fire to burn forever?

            THAT’S a “love letter” to you??

            Check out
            skepticmystic dot blogspot dot ca/2012/07/is-god-abusive-partner dot html

            for a reality check.

          • Bingo

            God has written a love letter that compels you to love Him—He’s your Father, and He draws you to Himself, where you belong. That you reject Him, makes your choice Satan. You will go with Him. It’s up to you.

            You live in an altered reality based on the perversions that Satan has brought to you. You may think you’re smart and logical, but Satan is your master.

          • Roger Peritone

            Here’s a clue: In order to “reject” someone, you first have to believe that the being in question exists.

            “Satan” didn’t have to be allowed to run around loose in the first place. Biblegod could have just tossed all the “fallen angels” into hell right off the bat. Instead, according to your own holy book, he placed them on earth where god would later place humanity.

            Yeah. That’s the act of a loving, wise parent!

          • Bingo

            Here’s a clue for you: You already KNOW that God exists, but you spin your wheels trying to deny it.

            You don’t know better than He. His plan is perfect. How puffed up some of His creation can be! You will soon discover how ridiculous you are.

          • Roger Peritone

            Kindly PROVE that I “already know that your god exists”. How bloody arrogant, and baseless to boot. In truth, it’s not “god”, but rather his fan club that we have problems with, as it’s you people who are imposing your views on others including in the realms of civil rights, science, history, and ethics.

            When it comes to ethics, especially, your views are horrifying. Too often, you people say things like: “whatever god does is good by definition”…even when it comes to the killing of babies, yet it’s you people who pretend to be “pro-life”.

            Only religion can get away with that idiotic kind of thinking. You will never hear scientists say anything like that.

            And how do you “know” that your god’s plan is “perfect”? Can you show it? If not, then you don’t know it.

          • Bingo

            God tells us in His word that all men know He exists, and that only fools deny it—arrogant fools, to boot.

            We don;t impose anything on you. We speak the truth, but you don;t like it. We can’t make you cease being ignorant. Instead, you impose your godless junk on the righteous. You know nothing of ethics.

            I know there are many scientists who are Christians, and do not share your silly views.

            Yes, we who know God and walk with Him KNOW that He and His plan for humanity is perfect. It is the height of arrogance to speak against Him.

          • Nofun

            You are not Jesus though. Rabid zealots need this pointed out constantly.

          • Bingo

            Jesus is my Saviour and my Lord. I am a child of God. There is nothing that can change that…not even the rabid words of a God-hater.

          • wandakate

            It’s much harder to be an atheist than it is to be a Christian…They have “nothing” to believe in, no comfort, no peace, no eternity…
            On the other hand the Christian has comfort in time of need, peace when the world is falling apart and an eternity to look forward to forever. I would chose the latter any day of the week.
            Confess, repent and forsake your sins and you will be a lot better off and happier too.

          • Nofun

            Reality is a way better comfort than your fragile beliefs. You have fallen for the worst trick religion concocts … that you will experience your own death. Of course they don’t come out and say that … all they to do is make you believe in the seeming innocuous idea of a soul. Believe that and they have you.

          • wandakate

            I didn’t mention anything at all about a SOUL!!!
            It’s the spirit that leaves the body at death and goes to be with the LORD GOD, not anything called a soul…So what you wrote doesn’t mean anything to me.
            We will experience our own death. Most people know when they are about to die.

          • Nofun

            A soul is the spirit isn’t it. What the difference?

            The point is the christian horror of experiencing your own death versus the atheist comfort of knowing that is not true and that you will only ever experience the last moments of your life … and life is nothing to fear.

          • Nofun

            He is a liar. I can’t hate a faith construct even if I wanted to.

            There are three things here:
            (a) Evolution which is the scientific theory of speciation.
            (b) Biblical creation which a is a belief.
            (c) Creationism which is phony science.

            Don’t let this clown drag your religion into a pack of lies.

            Accept (a) believe in (b) but reject (c).

          • Bingo

            No lies are in any of his books.

          • Nofun

            So you think Comfort knows science better than scientists? Really?

          • Bingo

            Comfort, along with countless Christians can know and UNDERSTAND the truth about scientific things very well with the Spirit of God speaking to them, even without studying anything. However, scientists are not gods. But I must say that scientists who have faith in Jesus Christ excel in their understanding.

          • Nofun

            The old “your hand can comfortable hold banana” theory of why evolution is not true disqualifies him from intellectual discourse.

          • Angel Jabbins

            You call that a debacle? Wow…what a relief…I thought Ray was guilty of some horrible crime against Kirk Cameron or they had some huge disagreement…or something really awful.

            His explanation of the banana was not his COMPLETE argument of why evolution is not true. You have read very little of what the man has written if you think that is all he has ever said on the subject. Good grief. Why are atheists so offended by that statement about the banana? It does make perfect sense…shows intelligent design just like the rest of the universe and all we see in nature. Not to mention the laws of logic which are transcendent and do not change, are immaterial, and therefore could not have come about through the process of evolution.

            There was no ‘banana’ debacle except in your own mind which is biased in favor of macro evolution…of which there is not one shred of evidence…species changing from one species into another. The banana example was only one small example of intelligent design. We see millions of examples all around us every single day. Your own eye is so complicated (thousands of tiny parts that somehow work together to give you sight) it is difficult to get my mind around how it could have just evolved out of nothing.

            Something from nothing…what remarkable faith you have!
            Intelligence from non-intelligence…what faith!
            Morality from non-morality…amazing faith!

            You are just as religious as I am..it’s just that your religion has a different name and creed..atheism.

          • Nofun

            Atheists are not offended …. they are rolling on the ground in laughter.

            Logic, unlike faith, keeps you alive so it was obvious evolutionary advantages.

            There is no such thing as macro and micro evolution.

            No one believes something from nothing except you. Where did your god come from again.

            Please don’t insult me by calling me religious.

            The eye thing has been debunked a million times.

            Here’s your logic:

            1) Things like the eye are complex and complex things must be designed.
            2) I think god is the designer.
            3) But if god is the designer he must be as, if not more, complex than his creations.
            4) Complex things must be designed.
            5) Who Designed your god and why aren’t you worshiping that god … or his creator … or his creator … or his creator.

            Congratulations you just killed off god.

          • Angel Jabbins

            God has no creator. If He did, He would not be God. How could He be? Your mistake is to think God had to have a first cause, like everything else in the universe. He says his name is ‘I AM’. That means He has no beginning and no end. He always was and always will be. Just because you cannot wrap your fallible human mind around that doesn’t not make it untrue. Who are you to say He had to have a beginning? You are a finite being who will die…here today, gone tomorrow. Your life is just a breath to God. Can you know for certain…absolutely…that He does not exist? Wouldn’t you have to know everything there is to know in the universe to make a statement like that? You don’t know everything so it is illogical to say there is no God.

          • Garth Huels

            The universe has no creator. If it did, it would not be the universe. How could it be?
            Your mistake is to think The universe had to have a first cause, like everything
            else in the universe. It says its name is ‘ALPHA-OMEGA-VERSE’. That means it has no
            beginning and no end. It always was and always will be. Just because you
            cannot wrap your fallible human mind around that doesn’t not make it
            untrue. Who are you to say it had to have a beginning? You are a finite
            being who will die…here today, gone tomorrow. Your life is just a
            breath to the universe. Can you know for certain…absolutely…that the universe does not
            exist? Wouldn’t you have to know everything there is to know in the
            universe to make a statement like that? You don’t know everything so it
            is illogical to say there is no omnipotent universe.

          • wandakate

            The UNIVERSE had a creator and that was GOD…GOD created everything and without GOD we mortals wouldn’t be here living, and breathing on planet earth.
            GOD gives us life and GOD takes it away, blessed be the name of the LORD.
            When He created Adam He breathed the breath of life into him and Adam became a living soul (person, human, being). Without GOD’s breath Adam would not have lived and neither will you or I.
            The minute He takes it from us we are gone. Our lives are in His hands and not our own. GOD is good all the time…

          • Garth Huels

            Allah has no creator. If He did, He would not be Allah. How could He be?
            Your mistake is to think Allah had to have a first cause, like everything
            else in the universe. He says his name is ‘I AM’. That means He has no
            beginning and no end. He always was and always will be. Just because you
            cannot wrap your fallible human mind around that doesn’t not make it
            untrue. Who are you to say He had to have a beginning? You are a finite
            being who will die…here today, gone tomorrow. Your life is just a
            breath to Allah. Can you know for certain…absolutely…that He does not
            exist? Wouldn’t you have to know everything there is to know in the
            universe to make a statement like that? You don’t know everything so it
            is illogical to say there is no Allah.

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            Are you high,Huels?

          • Garth Huels

            Jim Jones has no creator. If He did, He would not be Jim Jones. How could He be?
            Your mistake is to think Jim Jones had to have a first cause, like everything
            else in the universe. He says his name is ‘I AM’. That means He has no
            beginning and no end. He always was and always will be. Just because you
            cannot wrap your fallible human mind around that doesn’t not make it
            untrue. Who are you to say He had to have a beginning? You are a finite
            being who will die…here today, gone tomorrow. Your life is just a
            breath to Jim Jones. Can you know for certain…absolutely…that He does not
            exist? Wouldn’t you have to know everything there is to know in the
            universe to make a statement like that? You don’t know everything so it
            is illogical to say there is no Jim Jones.

          • Garth Huels

            The flying spaghetti monster has no creator. If He did, He would not be the flying spaghetti monster. How could He be?
            Your mistake is to think the flying spaghetti monster had to have a first cause, like everything
            else in the universe. He says his name is ‘I AM PASTA’. That means He has no
            beginning and no end. He always was and always will be. Just because you
            cannot wrap your fallible human mind around that doesn’t not make it
            untrue. Who are you to say He had to have a beginning? You are a finite
            being who will die…here today, gone tomorrow. Your life is just a
            breath to the flying spaghetti monster. Can you know for certain…absolutely…that He does not
            exist? Wouldn’t you have to know everything there is to know in the
            universe to make a statement like that? You don’t know everything so it
            is illogical to say there is no the flying spaghetti monster.

          • wandakate

            Some people aren’t able to write out a sensible comment that people will understand so they just babble on and on and on and on!!!

          • Bingo

            They mock as mockers do, and that has been going on since the beginning. God will have His Day, and they won’t be laughing any more. Too bad. Too sad.

          • Nofun

            Right wing christians really get off on the idea their bully god is going eternally torture those the hate. Does it make up for your embarrassment while you are alive? I have always wondered.

          • Bingo

            Christians don’t “get off” on people receiving their just punishment. Jesus came and paid for it. It is a tragic waste for sinful men to be condemned when all they need to do is receive the free gift of salvation! God is not a bully—He is GOD. You will have to stand before Him one day and give account for yourself and lose in the end. If you want to avoid that, just accept Jesus as your Saviour and Lord and receive His forgiveness and a righteous standing before God. Those who find themselves in eternal torment are responsible for it themselves. Satan is their god and they will spend their eternity with him.

            Every human being serves either God or Satan. Choose today who you will serve.

            What embarrassment! I am confident in whose I am.

          • Nofun

            Grand tortures and judgements by godly authorities keep you in line through fear. They mean nothing to adult free thinkers.

            God and Satan are both christian mythology and kind of childish and pathetic in the 21 st century.

            I have always wondered, why doesn’t God just zap Satan. Either he wants him to tempt and eternally torture you or he is too weak to do it. Why not ponder that binary choice instead.

          • Bingo

            As a child of God through faith in His Son, Jesus, I have no fear of Him. He’s my loving Father.

            Your idea of “free thinkers” is nothing but bondage. You are bound to the enemy of God’s ways and can only break free of the lies you believe through faith in Jesus.

            Satan will receive his due punishment and along with him will be his demonic horde, and those who have chosen to join him by rejecting the free gift of life and salvation in Jesus Christ, who has already paid the price for their sin.

            Satan has no power over Christians, but he loves to try to menace them. In Christ, we have already won the war. You, an unbeliever, are on the wrong side.

          • Nofun

            Hilarious. You are trapped in a prison Christian mythology with faith as your prison guard. You are lost.

          • Bingo

            LOL! You are trapped in a prison of unbelief. As long as you do not have Jesus, your Saviour, then you are lost.

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            That’s an interesting analogy…I thought that the individual who invented the Flying Sphagetti Monster…wait,what was that guy’s name again?

          • Nofun

            Well you can never talk about Intelligent design if you believe the above logic is wrong. If god can be a first cause, why not the universe? Its a cop out for the failure for your own logic.

            If you mind is tiny and fallible and god is so huge and creates universes how on earth can you know anything about him … or know what you think you know about him is true.

            There is no evidence of men with 50 heads = does not exist.

            There is no evidence of flying dogs with lasers for eyes = does not exist.

            There is no evidence of trillion, trillion other inane notions = they do not exist.

            There is no evidence of any gods = they do not exist.

            Anything COULD be true but only real things are. Things without evidence are not real. Things that are not real don’t matter.

          • Roger Peritone

            “Your mistake is to think God had to have a first cause, like everything else in the universe. He says his name is ‘I AM’.”
            Look up the phrase “special pleading”, please.

          • Angel Jabbins

            The human eye: What a wonder! It has 40,000,000 nerve endings, the focusing muscles move an estimated 100,00 times a day, and the retina contains 137,000,000 light sensitive cells. All is extremely complicated and all the parts must work together in just the way in order for vision to occur. I see a building, I know it had a builder; a painting, I instinctively know someone painted it. But some people look at the complexities of the world, nature and all the beautiful intricately designed parts of the human body and say….the was no creator. That is either sheer stupidity or spiritual blindness. Even Darwin agreed:
            Charles Darwin: “To suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”
            If man cannot begin to make a human eye, how could anyone, in his right mind, think that eyes formed by mere chance? In fact, man cannot make anything from nothing. We don’t know how to do it. We can re-create, reform , develop…but we cannot create even one grain of sand from nothing. Yet, the eye is only a small part of the most sophisticated part of creation…the human body.
            Albert Einstein said: “Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe…a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble.”
            If you think that ‘spirit’ is the impersonal Universe…you are exercising faith in a ‘god’ of your own making. Not the real God, but a ‘god’ all the same. I would rather live and die knowing the true God, Maker and Creator of all things because the impersonal Universe cannot save you from your sins nor be there to comfort you on your deathbed.

          • Bingo

            Nah…you just ensured your own death sentence.

          • Bingo

            Amen!

          • Tmaximus

            Comfort is the modern version of Nabal in bliblical myth telling. Nabal is “fool”

        • Nofun

          Any real world evidence of this god?

          • wandakate

            Try breathing, that’s all the evidence you need. GOD is like the wind, we can’t see him, but we know He’s there nonetheless.
            We don’t see GOD, but then we don’t see the wind either, so does that mean there is no wind, of course not.

          • Tmaximus

            Your the ilk whom uses sorcery by chanting incantations to a deep space invisible sky wizard to change its will every time you get a boo boo, want to hurt people or want something. If the sky wizard was such a grand bonus awaiting you all, one and all would welcome any reason that took your lives instead of clinging to it, so much so, you’d kill the person trying to take a life.

          • Nofun

            Wind is real. You can feel it, measure it and we know exactly everything about it. Ditto for breathing.

            God has no physicality because he is a faith construct. Everything attributed to this faith construct has been found to have natural real world causes.

          • Tary Taylor

            “Faith is intense, confident belief that is not based on evidence sufficient to command assent from every reasonable person” ie: faith is believing in things for which there is no good evidence, no evidence or counter-evidence.

          • Bingo

            Yes. The real world, itself.

          • Nofun

            That would at best would be an example if his creation and we have real world explanations for everything around us that don’t require beliefs.

            Where is the real world evidence of this entity you claim to have a personal relationship with?

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            See other post…

          • Nofun

            What other post. No evidence of your god in any of your posts.

          • Bingo

            The real world reveals God.

          • Nofun

            As I explained above … it does not. If that is all you have then we must agree there is no evidence of this god entity itself.

          • Bingo

            Explained? LOL! No, you have decided to be blind to God’s majesty in creation. It’s a decision one makes, as God has placed the knowledge of Himself inside every human being. You do much (futile) work to hold to your choice while you live in this dimension, but when your life is over, you will meet God face to face and realize you’re sunk.

            I see evidence of God every day, but then I also know Him and have fellowship with Him.

          • Nofun

            Yet can’t state any evidence of this entity’s reality apart from attributing the world around you to it. Its a lie. Reality gives you everything religion pretends to and requires no belief.

          • Bingo

            The creation around us is MORE than anyone needs to prove that God has created it. That you are simpleminded and irrational enough to think it all just happened is a major problem and will lead you to complete and utter destruction in the end, which is coming soon.

            You have no idea about reality, for it is you and people like you who live in a dream world of your own making. How drear…and “nofun”.

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            Same question as above,Nofun…wait,how about real-world lives changed by encountering the Risen Saviour? You know–actual real human beings? Try meeting some; we’re out here.—PEACE IN CHRIST, ALWAYS!

          • Nofun

            You have not encountered any risen savior. You have attributed thing to an invisible god and then perversely use that attribution to say god is real.

            Its all circle reasoning like the bible saying believe the bible or else.

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            I thought it was a joke at first,but obviously I was wrong,Nofun…atheists really DO think that they know everything!!!…”you have not encountered any risen savior”…LOLOLOL!!! And YOU know that exactly how,Nofun? I can’t WAIT to read your know-it-all reply!! You atheists are seriously SERIOUSLY funny!!

          • Nofun

            Any proof of you meeting this invisible supernatural being?

            I don’t claim to know it all in the least .. the christian claims to though. But not knowing everything does not mean you don’t know anything.

          • Bob

            GRANITE

          • Nofun

            Good argument. You have convinced me. LOL.

          • Ken Campbell

            He actually meant Limestone.

          • Nofun

            Lordy, an even better argument. A few more clues might be necessary.

          • Ken Campbell

            OK….In the beginning, there was no limestone. Then god made limestone. It was good.

            How much more information do you need?

          • Nofun

            Oh that makes total sense now.

          • Bob

            Too bad you don’t have the intelligence to comprehend the weightier matters and actually investigate that which they don’t know… TOOLS

        • Roger Peritone

          Here’s why what you and Comfort said, is stupid:

          No believes in that other stuff are trying to foist their views on society. Not through the corrupting of education, history, and science.

          None of their believers are trying to deny climate change because their “holy books” don’t mention them. None of those believers are trying to influence public policy based on that denialism.

          If you can’t figure this out for yourself, you have spent too much time reading the bible and not enough time thinking, period.

          • Bingo

            Too much time intellectualizing with your grey matter and not enough time spent with the Creator makes one foolish and way off in left field somewhere.

          • Angel Jabbins

            This is what happens every time one tries to engage an atheist in an intelligent conversation about God. They belittle the person and then babble on and on like babies, talking utter nonsense rather than giving solid proof from reason/logic that disproves the existence of God. Sadly, they will find out one day that…yes indeed, there is no ‘spaghetti monster’, but there is a real Holy God who will hold them accountable for every thought, word, and deed. And that right there is why they work so hard to deny His existence…accountability (and the love of sin). They want to be accountable to no one. They want to be their own gods.

          • Nofun

            No real world evidence of god = no god.

            When you no longer believe in a faith construct it simple disappears and leaves no hole. Its easy.

            The effort is maintaining a belief where reality keeps on tearing it down. Thus you have to retreat into a world view where you censor reality to keep the apparition alive.

          • Angel Jabbins

            Nofun…you might want to read the following deathbed quotes of some of the most famous atheists and defenders of evolution that ever lived. Then give some thought to what is coming on the day you die. What if you….like they…are wrong!

            CLARENCE DARROW, the Scopes Trial lawyer in
            the famous 1925 debate, while on his deathbed asked several clergymen to “please intercede for me with the Almighty. During my life I have spoken many times against Christians, and I now realize that I may have been wrong.”

            CHARLES DARWIN, on his deathbed:
            “I regret that I suggested a theory, and that gullible men gobbled it up, as though it were fact. I never intended that.”

            THOMAS PAYNE , originally one of America’s great patriots in his book: “The age of reason” ridiculed the Christian religion. He slowly lost his friends. He left America and while
            in England came to a premature death. On his deathbed he said to a friend, ‘I would give worlds if I had them, if the ‘Age of Reason’ had never been published. Oh Lord help me. Christ help me. You stay with me. It is hell to be left alone.”

            SIR WALTER SCOTT, the skeptic, said:
            “Until this moment I thought there was neither a God nor a hell. Now I know that there are both, and I am doomed to perdition by the just judgment of the Almighty.”

            SIR JULIAN HUXLEY, English
            evolutionist, biologist and staunch atheist, on his deathbed: “So it is true after all, so it is true after all.”

            VOLTAIRE, one of history’s best known atheists, often stated that “by the time I’m buried, the Bible will be non-existent.” His last words were: “I am abandoned by God and man; I shall die and go to hell alone.”

            SIR FRANCIS NEWPORT allowed his name to be used on a brand of cigarettes. On his deathbed he cried out: “Oh eternity. Oh eternity”. And he uttered a groan of inexpressible horror
            as a cried out, “Oh the insufferable pains of hell, forever, forever.”

            TALLEYRAND (called the most
            brilliant mind of his generation) when asked about his condition while on his deathbed replied: “I am suffering the pangs of the damned.”

          • Nofun

            These are just lies. Zealots have to imagine that every atheist turns christian at their time of death.

            Even the institute of creation research accepts Darwin didn’t turn christian.

            Voltaire joked about christian mythology when dying.
            “When Voltaire was dying, in his eighties, a priest in attendance called upon him to renounce the devil. Voltaire considered his advice, but decided not to follow it. “This is no time,” he said, “to be making new enemies”. In this same spirit, I offer my thanks and good wishes to the Bank of Sweden, to the Nobel Committee, and to everyone involved in this
            wonderful occasion.”

            All the rest are lies to. Once the faith construct is destroyed you can’t turn back even if you wanted to. If you do, you were never atheist.

            However, as geriatric nurses will attest, many christians find christianity no comfort at all at the end. They finally realize they didn’t live their lives the way they wanted to because they were pretending to be someone they were not …. and now its too late. That is worse than a 1000 hells.

          • Ken Campbell

            I’m planning to turn Hindu. All atheists and Christians become HIndu before they die.

          • Angel Jabbins

            Nobody said any of these atheists ‘turned Christian’ on their deathbeds. But they certainly didn’t face death with a smile on their faces and peace in their hearts. They faced it in uncertainty and fear. Christians, however, do have peace because they know that Christ died to save them from their sins….so they have no fear of facing a holy God who will hold all sinners accountable at the very moment the breath leaves their bodies. Very sad for these men. They’ lived their lives the way they wanted to’ and now they will spend all eternity paying for it.

          • Nofun

            Except these stories are lies. So you have no idea what they thought or felt.

            Some Christians finding no comfort in their religion is well documented by geriatric nurses though. The number one regret is:

            “I wish I’d had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expected of me”

          • Angel Jabbins

            This is so silly. 🙂 Are you being serious?! Give me this ‘documentation of geriatric nurses’ who said this. Well documented…where?

            Any true believer in Jesus Christ knows they will be face to face with Him the moment they pass from this life into the next and, if one is truly saved and born again, that is a wonderful thought…the longing of every true believer, to be home with their Lord and Savior. Anyone claiming to be a Christian who says on their deathbed they wish they had sinned more in their lifetime….believe me, that is not a Christian.

            Being a Christian is not about living the life ‘others expect of me’. It is about living a life pleasing to God because He loved me so much He sent His only Son, God in the flesh, to die for my sins on a cruel cross, giving me new life and peace in Him for eternity. It is about living for Him and nothing could make life more meaningful….not for self….not for others…but for Him.

            By the way, if you watched or read about the very horrific beheading of the 21 Christian men by ISIS on a beach, you would have heard that the last words on the lips of many of those men was prayer and praise for the Lord Jesus Christ. They died bravely for their faith in Christ…not whining that they never got to have their best life, doing their own thing.

          • Nofun

            They don’t “know” anything. They “believe” … and they believe out of fear because they believe the lie that they will experience their own deaths.

            Pleasing a faith construct is not being you. If Jesus was god he couldn’t be killed anyway, so he sacrificed nothing.

            You are responsible for your actions …. you can’t just pack your sins up on some guy nailed to a bit of wood 2000 years ago and pretend they didn’t happen.

            You don’t know what those men killed by ISIS said or thought. Maybe they all realized what a waste their lives were, pretending to be someone they are not.

            Wasting the precious moments of your real life (the only one you get) trying to get your non-existent soul into a non-existent afterlife is a sin.

          • Angel Jabbins

            So where is the documentation about the geriatric nurses again?

            “They believe out of fear because they believe the lie that they will experience their own deaths.”

            Christians do not fear death because death for them is the door to eternal life with God. The 21 Christian men who were beheaded could have chosen to keep their lives if only they would just recanted their faith in Christ. That is all they had to do. Just say it….’I deny Christ’. They would not, precisely because they knew they would NOT experience death in the eternal sense. Their bodies would die, but their spirits would be alive with God in heaven at the moment of their death.

            You do not understand what Christianity is. Christians do not work hard to ‘please a faith’. When God saves a person, he becomes new creature in Christ with new desires…he desires, not to sin, but to please God…out of love, not fear… and it is not burdensome at all. It is a joy.

            You misunderstand who Jesus is. He is both God and Man. Two natures in one body. God cannot die, yes. But Jesus, the Man of flesh and bone, could and did.

            “You are responsible for your actions …. you can’t just pack your sins up on some guy nailed to a bit of wood 2000 years ago and pretend they didn’t happen.”

            Yes, we are all responsible for our actions (sins) and without Christ, every person ever born is destined for hell where they will pay themselves the price for their sins. Whether we want to or not, we WILL take responsibility our actions…in hell. But God, because He is loving and kind, found another way for us so we would not have to be punished for all the wrongs we have done. He punished His Son in our place. Jesus willingly took our sin debt upon Himself, paid the penalty with His suffering and death. Now the way is open for all men to be saved from the consequences of their sins if only they will repent, turn from sinning, and put their trust in Christ alone. Christians do not trust in any good works we may do. Works cannot save us. Christ alone saves. We do good works only out of love for God…not to earn salvation or His approval. The debt has already been paid. All our sins…past, present, future…are already forgiven if we are in Christ.

            “Wasting the precious moments of your real life (the only one you get) trying to get your non-existent soul into a non-existent afterlife is a sin.”

            It is easy to say there is no soul and no afterlife now. But, one minute after you die, will be too late to consider these things. If you are wrong, you will have missed out on the greatest love the world has ever known. This life is short compared to the real and precious life you will have for all eternity. You will live that life one of two places, with God in heaven or in hell. We all chose where we will spend that life. If this life is all there is, we are a sad lot indeed because life in this sinful world is full of heartache and trials and goes by too quickly and then we are gone.

          • Nofun

            Google “geriatric nurse deathbed”.

            You can’t post links here …I think.

          • Angel Jabbins

            Just another piece of information about the 21 who were beheaded because they would not recant their faith in Christ:

            One of the 21 men who were beheaded a few months ago was not a Christian, at least he wasn’t until he saw the faith of the men who refused to deny Jesus, even if it meant dying they would die.
            .
            ISIS announced the execution of 21 Copts but only 20 names were confirmed, most of them were from the province of Minya(Upper Egypt). There was an inaccuracy in the number of Egyptian Hostages; there were only 20 Egyptians(Copts). Then who was this remaining one non-Coptic victim?

            Ahram-Canadian News was able to gather information about this man. He was a Chadian Citizen (in the picture shown of all the men, he is the one with the darker skin). He accepted Christianity after seeing the immense faith of his fellow Coptic Christians to die for Christ. When the terrorist standing over him urged him to reject Jesus Christ as God, looking at his Christian friends he replied, “their God is my God“ so the terrorist beheaded him also.

            All he had to do to save his life was deny Christ and they would have let him so free. He learned from the witness and testimony of the others that Jesus is real and worth dying for.

          • Nofun

            Well if that is true … he is a fool. You lie and live.

            You don’t show off to a bunch of terrorists and punish your family and friend just to prove a point. I think Jesus would understand.

          • Angel Jabbins

            Showing off….huh? You think to die for faith in Christ is ‘showing off’? I am amazed. I can think of easier, more fun ways of showing off. That is ridiculous. All any of them had to do to save his life was to deny Christ, but they would not because they loved Him more than their own lives. That is the mark of a true Christian. Many are losing their lives daily in Iraq, Syria, and other Muslim countries simply because they are true to their Savior. To deny Him is unthinkable if you are truly saved. Jesus will understand if we deny Him? No, Jesus, on the contrary, told people to count the cost before deciding to become a Christian…if the world hated and killed Him, it would hate and kill His followers also. Christians need to be ready to die for our faith. That is what He taught in the gospels.

          • Nofun

            Yes I do. You lie and live or at least get a quick death.The terrorist would of killed them anyway. Why do you think Jesus would be impressed with this worthless stand?

          • Angel Jabbins

            Quick death? I read that the knives ISIS uses are actually quite dull on purpose to prolong the pain and drag out the suffering. No quick death …an excruciatingly painful one. And there have been Christians whom ISIS has burned alive…no quick death there either. Or those who have been run out of their homes with nothing but the clothes on their backs who died of hunger and starvation in the burning hot desert? Took days maybe weeks to die…not quick and not easy. Or the Christians who were fed to the lions centuries ago.

            Jesus said: “But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.” Matthew 10:33

            He takes denying Him very seriously. We cannot call ourselves Christians and deny the Savior, even at the threat of death. Those who take the easy way out and ‘lie’ were never Christians to begin with. They did not count the true cost and failed the ultimate test of loyalty to Christ.

            And no, the terrorists would not have killed the men anyway if they just agreed to their terms. Those who say they forsake Christianity and agree to embrace Islam are not killed. Only those who will not convert to Islam are killed. They intend to wipe out Christianity and they are succeeding in the Middle East…very few of them are left.

          • Bingo

            EXACTLY! Thank you.

          • Nofun

            Yes, pretending you are talking to a faith construct is certainly turning off your brain. At least we can agree on that.

          • Bingo

            Not really. When one spins his wheels in denial of the one true God, who has created ALL things for His pleasure and glory just makes you look foolish, and one day that foolishness will be your utter undoing. It’s a sad waste. You already KNOW that God exists, but you foolishly spin all sorts of yarns and excuses to deny it.

        • Becky

          Atheists become contortionists upon hearing the word of God…it’s very upsetting to them. Kinda reminds me of one of the times Christ cast out a demon (Mark 1:21-28).

          • Nofun

            When? You are the only ones controlled by “interpret anyway you like” biblical dogma. Free thinkers will never bow to your faith construct.

          • Fingfanfoom

            It isn’t the skies that upsets them. It is the credulity with which the word is read.

        • Roger Peritone

          Wrong. People who believe in that other stuff don’t try to force their views upon others through laws that, among other things, deny people civil liberties, distort and attack science, deny climate change, encourage the idea that those who are not like them are “evil”, et al.

          Xians do.

        • Kara Connor

          Ray Comfort didn’t know edible bananas had been produced by humans breeding them,and used them to support creationism. Hardly the person you should be quoting.

        • alexinfinite

          Typical dishonest thing for Ray to say. The man is a shameless, dishonest, scientifically illiterate scum bag looking to make money off of the gullible and desperate. Quoting him speaks volumes of your character

        • Fingfanfoom

          Ray comfort is moron and that statement is foolish. Atheist don’t hate God either, but unlike fairies, unicorns, and leprechauns, they run into plenty of adults who want to assume the existence of God and feel they should be able to discuss that claim. No one approaches then assuming this other creatures exist.

      • Laurence Charles Ringo

        I know I’m going to regret this,but…what would constitute”evidence”to you from a BIBLICAL perspective,”Nofun”? I await your reply.

        • Nofun

          Almost anything other than faith. The problem is your god seems to hide and then demands you believe him or else. Why doesn’t he just appear and we can have a civil discussion.

          There is a trillion trillion other notions out there you don’t care about because there is no real world evidence for them ….. why not accept god is one of them.

          There is the only rule to atheism … if it isn’t real it doesn’t matter.

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            I just caught what you said in your previous post,Nofun: …”you will experience your own death”…are you high?? Who’s death am I supposed to experience? Duh!? As for this post…sigh.Seriously,dude.Get a grip.Almighty God most emphatically NOT at the beck and call of any mere human being,no matter how highly said human thinks of him/herself.The arrogance of atheists NEVER fails to leave me open-mouthed in incredulity.WOW!!! At any rate,I’m done with this fruitless ” dialogue “,if you can even call it that.Believe what you will,Nofun. (Or not)—Au Revoir,and may the God you don’t believe in bless you! [ Oh,and by the way,Almighty God is NOT hidden from ME,and He’s already revealed Himself—IN CHRIST.]

          • Nofun

            If you believe you have a soul that goes to an afterlife after your dead you think you will experience this. that is the horror of being torn away from everything you know and love. That is the terror they try to instill in you so you will frantically try and grab on to their god.

            The good atheist, on the other hand, knows there are know souls or afterlives and knows at his death the only thing he will experience are the last moments of his life ….which you can’t fear even if you wanted to.

      • Littlebopeep

        Why do you atheist fight and denounce something which you say does not exist?
        Because you are afraid he does exist? IF THERE IS NO GOD THEN WHY WORRY?

        • Nofun

          Show me show real world evidence of your god and I might start to shake in my boots.

          I absolutely do not fear your faith construct. You do.

          I am just trying to save you from wasting the only life you get pretending to be someone you are not.

        • Ken Campbell

          There is no worry about the god part. The big worry is the fan club.

    • OldArkie

      Seems he rather to obey Americas laws, than walk in God’s laws.

      • Nofun

        So you should.

        The bible says its OK to murder disobedient children…. Hint: Its not OK.

        • Bingo

          No the bible does not teach that. Shows us all that you know nothing about God or His message to us. Ignorance needs to learn in silence.

          • Roger Peritone

            Too bad you creationists don’t follow that advice.

          • Bingo

            We do. We know how to learn and receive the Truth without all the nasty hoopla that your type make.

          • Nofun

            Faith is the belief something is true …. that doesn’t make anything true.

          • Bingo

            Hebrews 11:1-3 (Phillips)
            Now faith means putting our full confidence in the things we hope for, it means being certain of things we cannot see. It was this kind of faith that won their reputation for the saints of old. And it is after all only by faith that our minds accept as fact that the whole scheme of time and space was created by God’s command—that the world which we can see has come into being through principles which are invisible.

            There is nothing more true and more sure than what God has said in His word.

          • Bingo

            We are called to speak for God and His truth. We aren’t the ignorant ones.

          • Nofun

            No one called you to do anything.

          • Bingo

            Aww, you’re “no fun”! ROFL! You’re wrong again! God calls His own to speak His truth to the world, even to people who mock and belittle and defend the lies they believe, like you.

          • Nofun

            You don’t understand truth. Things are not true just because you believe they are.

          • Bingo

            You wouldn’t know the truth if it came up to you and slapped you in the face….and it has.

            Jesus is the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Him. He is the door to salvation. The scriptures are rich with truth.

            Unbelievers are not acquainted with truth in any way.

          • Nofun

            There are no gods, no doors, no afterlife ….just reality.
            Deal with it.

          • Bingo

            I have dealt with the reality that God exists, and He has provided a way to know Him. You, on the other hand, have your fingers in your ears and your eyes blindfolded, all the while the truth is laid out before you. You WILL have to deal with that foolishness one day—very soon.

          • Nofun

            Really? What reality of your god have you observed?
            Not his creation now …him personally. Go.

          • Bingo

            First, His handiwork. Second the total change in a person who comes to Him by faith and receives His great forgiveness, being set free from the chains of sin…and discovers the fruit of the Spirit growing constantly in his life: love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faithfulness, kindness and self-control. Nothing can produce these things all in one person except the knowledge of Jesus Christ and His Person, His Spirit living and communing with him within. Unbelievers just don’t have it. That’s reality.

          • Nofun

            None of that hokum is evidence of god the entity. What have you seen of god the entity? Not his works.

          • Bingo

            It’s more than enough for you. God wants you to have an intimate relationship with Him. He created you. He is your rightful Father, and He is crazy in love with you. But you have a choice to choose Him by faith in His Son, or to choose Satan as your father. Satan is your father by default already. He wants to forgive you and make you righteous in His eyes, and to give your life meaning and purpose.

            I have seen many of His works. Don;t be too proud for too long, for Jesus is coming back VERY soon. Forever is a long time to pay the price for your own sins.

          • Nofun

            So you have no evidence of your god …. none.

            He is nothing but a faith construct. A phantom that disappears as soon as the spell of faith is broken.

          • Ken Campbell

            One must cast logic to the wind in order to accept the theist position. However, once a person does accept the theist position, they begin to invest in it and are loath to abandon it.

          • Bingo

            I don’t need proof other than He has proved Himself to me. That’s what He does. God proves Himself to those who are open to Him, and He does it unmistakeably.

            You are the one with the feeble constructs against Him. No faith, no life.

          • Nofun

            Well that IS proof … what was it?

          • Bingo

            God revealed Himself and His great love for me. He desires to do the same for you.

          • Nofun

            How did you know it was god? What evidence do you have?

            Maybe you just decided to believe and join a church and saw no evidence of any magic gods anywhere.

          • Bingo

            God is powerful to make Himself unmistakeably known. The evidence is that all His promises He makes to me and all of us are true.

            Receiving God’s free gift of salvation doesn’t come from joining some church. He is not a god of magic, which is a satanic construct, “for God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.” He’s that kind of God, who transforms us into the likeness of Jesus Christ.

          • Nofun

            All who curse their father or mother must be put
            to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

            Deuteronomy 21:18-21 “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”

            Of course if you hear voices in your head that are telling you to kill your children … you should do that too.

            Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.

            “Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you.” (Genesis 22:1-18)

            There are 100s of passages where god himself kills children.

          • Bingo

            Of course you have no clue about context or dispensations. God doesn’t KILL. He passes righteous judgment. Man kills.

          • Nofun

            What context makes the right to kill your children OK?

          • Bingo

            It is never right to kill one’s child. Are you crazy? Saying just anything off the top of your empty head to discredit God is simply stupid.

          • Nofun

            But the bible says it is OK to kill your children if you hear voices in your head or if they are disobedient. Is the bible wrong?

          • Bingo

            No it does not—you will always be wrong outside of faith in Jesus Christ. You cannot comprehend scripture without the help of the Holy Spirit, so stop using it to prove your absurd notions.

          • Nofun

            So the bible versus that so its OK to murder your children are wrong or right. Make up your mind.

          • Bingo

            Versus? You mean verses! LOL! There are no bible passages that teach that it is OK to murder anyone. You’ve been lending your ear to the devil too often.

          • Roger Peritone

            I thought you said that god’s servants never lied…yet YOU just lied when you said that the bible does not teach that it’s OK to murder disobedient children:

            He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
            — Exodus 21:17

            For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put
            to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
            — Leviticus 20:9

          • Bingo

            True believers are not known for lying. I have not lied, here. The word of God does not teach what you so errantly and simplistically think. You need to know God and receive His Spirit for you to actually grasp the truth and the context of the word. That you do not know God is apparent in your most puerile argument.

          • Roger Peritone

            In other words: turn your brain off, accept that we’re right, and you’ll see that we’re right.

            Why have you not even tried to rebut what I said?

            I and Nofun, have given verses that SHOW that god does demand death for disobedient children, yet you still deny it.

          • Bingo

            With the indwelling Spirit of God within, the brain can function optimally. That you allow your gray matter to override spiritual discernment is a negative for you.

            God does NOT demand death for disobedience…except to those who reject salvation and will receive due recompense at Judgment Day.

            Get into the New Covenant and learn about Jesus and what He has wrought for us.

          • Roger Peritone

            Wrong. There was those bible verses that you never tried to explain away.

          • Bingo

            There was, was there? ROFL!

          • Bingo

            YOU lie when you presume to teach that God teaches us that it is acceptable to Him to murder. Study, study, study for you! Ignorance of the word is a major downfall for many, especially if they are calling themselves Christians.

          • Roger Peritone

            Right back at you. You say that I need more study, yet you fail to biblically refute what I just said.

          • Bingo

            Biblically, you are stuck in the Old Covenant. Get into the New.

          • Nofun

            yes just like Jesus was

            Here is Jesus speaking specifically on the topic of Old Testament teachings and how they still apply.

            “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away,
            not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.
            Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” —
            Matthew 5:18-19

            “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the
            smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.”
            (Luke 16:17)

            “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the
            prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.”
            (Matthew 5:17)

            You are not calling Jesus a liar are you?

            “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)

          • Bingo

            You have to know Jesus personally to even understand the jots and tittles. We who know Him are not bound by the Law. YOU are calling Jesus a liar by your buffoonery.

          • Nofun

            So you just deny the bible passages.

            No, Jesus clearly says the old testament still applies.
            You are calling Jesus a liar by claiming it does not.

          • Bingo

            I deny nothing. I know the word, plus I know the Author. There is NOTHING more inane than one who lives in denial and unbelief who presumes to know what the bible says about anything.

            You have no clue what Jesus says. Your god lies to you and you swallow it, hook, line and sinker. It’s so obvious.

          • Nofun

            So despite what Jesus actually says, you know the WORD better, and the old testament no longer applies. You know better than Jesus then?

          • Roger Peritone

            Tell that to all of your fellow biblicists who rant and rave against homosexuality, and who insist on posting the 10 commandments everywhere.

            That is an old, useless dodge you tried.

          • Bingo

            ROFL!!! The bible contains the truth. We who know Christ are not bound by the 10 commandments. We are bound by the commands of Christ.

          • Nofun

            That is not what Jesus says.

          • Bingo

            It is always so amusing to observe unbelievers using the scriptures to defend their unbelief! LOL! If you care at all about truth, read Hebrews 8:13:
            “When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.”

          • Nofun

            It even more amusing watching born again ignore their book of fables when it suits them. You are going to burn for calling Jesus a liar.

          • Bingo

            People who know and walk with Christ don;t believe in fables. We have the solid Rock of Truth in the living Jesus.

            I am never going to burn. Jesus is not a liar, but you certainly seem to enjoy treading on Him and declaring Him and His own people liars. That just makes you a sad, confused and pompous, spiritual dullard.

          • Roger Peritone

            Guess what? Christ also said:
            Matthew
            5:17–18

            Besides, if xians today are no longer bound by the 10 commandments, then why do you people still try to force them on the rest of us? You never did deal with that problem.

            Well, other than trying to laugh it off, and to make an unsupported claim that the bible “contains the truth”.

            BTW: Is it “contains the truth” or “is the truth”? If the bible only “contains the truth”, then how do you know which parts ARE the “truth”?

          • Bingo

            You miss the point that Jesus has come and He has fulfilled the law. We live in the age of GRACE, now. CHRISTIANS have the indwelling Holy Spirit who teaches us all things, and that includes writing the law on our hearts. We have no need of laws written on stone. It is all about Jesus!

            We don’t force them on you. You were born with innate morality from God, but in Christ, you can rise above sin, no law hanging over your head. Free from the pull of sin, and your addiction to it.

            Every word in scripture is truth. That I laugh at your nonsensical claims and arguments, is just a reflection of how God laughs at men in their wicked folly.

            Psalm 37:13 (NLT)
            But the Lord just laughs,
            for he sees their day of judgment coming.

          • Roger Peritone

            So, uh, again…Why do xians keep harping on about the 10 commandments, when it was in the OT and was addressed only to the jews?

            Check out Atheist Debates: But that’s the Old Testament! on youtube, to see how your reasoning holds up.

          • Bingo

            I know thousands of Christians and none of them harp on the Ten Commandments. Your reasoning is dull.

          • Roger Peritone

            So: Are xians supposed to follow the 10 commandments, or not?

            Also: I don’t believe you when you make that claim. Xians are always in the news complaining about how they are opposed when the 10 commandments are posted on gov’t land.

            They are mentioned in most sermons that I have ever heard. The portly preacher John Hagee himself banged on about the commandments, saying that they are the 10 commandments, not the 10 suggestions!

          • Bingo

            We already abide by the Ten Commandments because we have Jesus Christ, and abide in Him.

            You complaint is only about Americans, and have nothing to do with Christians.

          • Roger Peritone

            So xians DO obey the 10 commandments. So…which testament are they in again? The OT! Right.

            My point stands. Xians DO rely on the OT and any attempt to pass off unpleasant parts of the bible just because they’re in the OT, will not wash. It is after all, the same god of the OT as he is in the NT, yes?

          • Bingo

            We obey them as they are now written on our hearts because Holy Spirit now dwells in us. We innately know them, just as unbelievers do, but we now have the power within us to obey. The commandment of Jesus Christ that encompasses them all is that we love others as we love ourselves….that is our NEW commandment…a New Covenant edict.

            There are no unpleasant parts of the scriptures for those of us who love God.

          • Roger Peritone

            And to think: You said “Instead, you impose your godless junk on the righteous. You know nothing of ethics.” You are the one who admitted that the verses in the bible where god has babies and kids killed is not even unpleasant!

          • Bingo

            No, you impose your filthy mindset on the scriptures. You do not know God, so of course you see Him as evil…lies of the devil you believe.

          • Roger Peritone

            Uh huh. So the killing of babies is NOT evil when your god does it?

            How is this a “lie of the devil”?

          • Bingo

            In the Old Testament, God would judge sin instantly if He chose to. He is within His rights. It is in this age that people cannot fathom it, because we live in the age of His great GRACE and MERCY. He is patient, and withholding His wrath for the right time. You live a spoiled existence, enjoying your sin with impunity, but the axe will fall…soon.

            Everything you speak that perverts the truth of the word and the righteousness of God is a lie of the devil.

          • Roger Peritone

            And just WHAT “sin” did babies do? You do know that the Midianite virgin girls were spared, right? Why were they spared, but the babies of other peoples killed?
            Numbers 31:1-19

            It should be easy to figure out.

            It is you xians who live a spoiled existence. Your churches don’t pay taxes. politicians pander to you all the time for votes, you have churches on every block, you have numerous tv and radio stations that cater to your wants, you have fellow xians who seem able to get away with forcing your beliefs on others while in the process of doing your jobs…

            How much better can it get for you people?

          • Bingo

            Everyone is born a sinner whether they’ve actually committed sin or not.

            Christians aren’t spoiled…they are blessed.

          • Roger Peritone

            Being born a sinner is quite different from having actually committed a sin. Congratulations. Another “pro-lifer” who has given a justification for baby-killing! Well, so long as biblegod does it…

            This “original sin” idea is stupid in the first place. How could they know that disobeying god was wrong in the first place until AFTER they ate of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil?

            After they ate of it, why didn’t biblegod just sterilize adam and eve and start over?

          • Bingo

            It’s not any different to God, except that babies who die are safe from condemnation because they are not guilty of committing sin. God doesn’t kill people. He exercises His right to judge righteously. If you don’t like it, that is just your human condition of unrighteousness and lack of justice talking. In the end, God will have perfect justice. All who reject Him and His perfect love and unmerited favour will be considered unrighteous because they have not taken on the righteousness of Christ, and will be condemned. Jesus is our advocate or lawyer. God the Father is the just Judge. Your lawyer has paid the death penalty for you, and you are offered freedom because of His payment. If you choose to reject the free gift, then you are foolish and will be required to pay for your own sin—forever.

            Adam and Eve were given a choice. They chose poorly. Because of their choice all mankind now has been changed and is subject to sin and nature itself is subject to aging, disease and death.

            God desires for us to choose His overwhelming love and free gift of righteousness and freedom.

          • Roger Peritone

            Hah. So me complaining about god killing babies is evidence of my “unrighteousness and lack of justice”?

            Where’s the “justice” in baby-killing when god does it? If they are “safe from condemnation because they haven’t committed sin, then why aren’t abortionists heroes? After all, every baby they kill goes right to heaven, does it not?

            Like it or not, you theists have a moral double-standard that you can’t escape from.

          • Bingo

            Of course it is evidence of your unrighteous standing, because it is a sin to complain and murmur against God. You do not know Him.

            God’s justice is unfathomable, but it is perfectly just. Those babies are with Him and have been removed from a pagan life that would guarantee them eternal condemnation.

            There is no moral double standard in serving the God of the universe. You, on the other hand, cannot comprehend the complete goodness of God and it’s driving you batty. This understand we have comes from the living faith we are given that unbelievers do not possess…but they can.

          • Roger Peritone

            Hold on…
            “God’s justice is unfathomable, but it is perfectly
            just.”, you say? Unfathomable means that it’s impossible to figure out.
            How can you know that it’s “perfectly just” if you can’t understand
            it??

          • Bingo

            There sre many aspects of God that human minds have a hard time comprehending: His love, mercy, forgiveness, power, patience, and His justice…but we know as His children (for those are are), that His justice is trustworthy and always perfect.

      • wandakate

        Man will fail you, but GOD will never fail you. Of course people like to rely on themselves. Must be part of their pride and arrogance. They don’t need GOD, they can figure it out themselves.
        With that attitude look at the mess that we are now in. Selling aborted baby parts, trillions of dollars in debt, technology that has gone beyond limits and taken us away from family and friends and the one on one that is so important in a humans relationship…We have done it our way. We have changed our days and our calendars, we have done everything imaginable to go against what GOD wanted and now we suffer. It’s almost time for judgment. We shall reap what we have sown. What has gone around will now soon come around. We have put GOD on the back burner of our lives and done it “our way”. We’ve made a HUGE mess of things. This is American going to hell in a handbasket…We could have done it differently “GOD’s way”, but no we were stubborn and decided to take matters into our own hands and this is the result. Heaven (the Kingdom of GOD), and Hell are the only places left for us, and we have made our own choices. Get right with GOD while you still can.

    • wandakate

      JESUS is the way, the truth and the light. Nobody is going to the Kingdom of GOD unless they follow Him and His rules and commandments. WE are NOT able to do it on our own successfully. GOD can’t be on the back burner any longer. We need the word so we will have a guide. We need to follow it as best we can and not depend on ourselves to make sensible decisions. GOD is truth and if we want to live and do the truth then we must get our instructions from His book and follow Him. Makes sense to me.

    • Bingo

      EXACTLY!

    • Paul Q4T-(John 8:32)

      I read the Bible to try to understand God’s approach to challenging situations.

  • lorac odraned

    Kasich is the first candidate to be scratched off my list. He went to a “wedding” of same-sex twosome. If he was a real Christian, he should have said there is no such thing and stayed home. Seems to be too spineless and wishy-washy when it comes to the truth.

  • Gt Larabee

    And King David was wrong for Israel though he was chosen by God? And Peter was wrong for the Church though he was chosen by Jesus? Thus far Kasich has done far less wrong then King David or Peter to seemingly offend the Almighty; therefore, how can we humans make a judgement call against Kasich and say he is wrong for this country because he attended a wedding of a gay man, and he accepted funding to provide medical assistance to the poor?

    And the Pharisees felt that Jesus was wrong for the people of Israel too, because He associated with whores and tax collectors and finally was hung on a cross with criminals at his sides. And the Jews, in their judgement followed the lead of the Pharisees, and chose to free Barabbas instead of Jesus. Perhaps we often make bad decisions ourselves in the selection of our leaders as we do not learn from studying the Word of God. In conclusion, I find no fault with Kasich, much like Pontius Pilate found no fault with Christ. However, carry on with your way ward thinking, and you will get the kind of government you deserve….

    • Josey

      The Pharisees hated Christ because He claimed to be God. All the rest of the garbage the Pharisees threw at Jesus was to trap Him because of who He said He was.

  • Mike Dunger

    You can accept heresy all you want. Don’t hold your breath waiting on evangelical Christians to follow you.

    You also apparently don’t read the CONSTITUTION to know what to think either.

    • Nofun

      True, The constitution ensures separation of religion and state.

      • Mike Dunger

        You DO understand that the First Amendment protects the church from the federal government, not some asinine idea that no one’s personal beliefs can be seen in government. Right? Because atheism/secular humanism IS a religion too.

        • Nofun

          The protection is that the govt must be neutral on religion.

          Atheism is not a religion, nor is humanism.Atheism is just accepting the fact here is no real world evidence of any gods.
          Humanism is a codified morality that also requires no faith.

          “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

          The first part of this provision is known as the Establishment Clause, and the second part is known as the Free Exercise Clause. The Free Exercise Clause protects individual rights but the Establishment Clause does not.

          Since that incorporation of the states in this, an extensive body of law has developed in the United States around both the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause.

          The Establishment Clause prohibits the government from interfering with individual religious beliefs. The government cannot enact laws aiding any religion or establishing an official state religion.

          The courts have interpreted the Establishment Clause to accomplish the separation of church and state on both the national and state levels of government.The authors of the First Amendment drafted the Establishment Clause to address the problem of government sponsorship and support of religious activity.

          The Supreme Court has defined the meaning of the Establishment Clause in cases dealing with public financial assistance to church-related institutions, primarily parochial schools, and religious practices in the public schools.

          • Mike Dunger

            Yes, they are most certainly religions. Sorry, you can pitch all the fits that you want to, they are belief systems.

          • Nofun

            What are their faith based beliefs then?

          • Mike Dunger

            They believe that supernatural beings do not exist.
            They believe that life ends at death.
            They believe that morality comes from the majority of the public.
            They believe that life is an accident.

          • Nofun

            The first 2 are right.

            The third one …. well …. it has to be rational … so that rules out the majority of the public. Its a slow continuous discussion amongst civilized humans.

            The fourth one …. well …. that is a little more complicated.

            None of them require belief.

          • Mike Dunger

            Yes, they all do. None of them can be proven as fact. They are opinions. They are personal positions. They are beliefs. The issue that I have with atheists is that they attempt to say “my beliefs aren’t beliefs, so I’m superior to you”, when in fact, we’re on equal footing. I can deal with an atheist who is honest that his religion is no more or no less valid than mine. But attempting to control the board by claiming that you’re religion isn’t a religion is intellectually dishonest.

          • Nofun

            Anything can be true, but only real things are true.

            Show me one supernatural entity that exists?

            Show me evidence for an afterlife?

            its a fact humanity decides its own rules whether you think they come from religion or not.

            Your last piece of nonsense relies on your definition of “life” and “an accident”. Still, have you any evidence of any supernatural entities creating animals, plants or planets?

            If not, then these concepts can be ignored along with a trillion trillion other random concepts with no reality.

          • Mike Dunger

            I readily admit that I cannot prove the existence of God to you, just as you cannot disprove His existence to me. My point is that we both have beliefs. But most atheists want to act like a kindergartner, chanting “My religion’s not a religion, nyah, nyah, nyah…” It’s disingenuous, it’s intellectual sophistry, and it’s evil, as it attempts to force its opinion on others.

          • Nofun

            I accept the reality there is no evidence of god. You ignore that reality and believe in something regardless. We are not the same.

          • Mike Dunger

            HAHAHA, that’s funny.

            No, I have personal experience of His existence, His influence on my life, and the truth of the Bible. I act accordingly.

            Based upon your personal opinion and personal experiences, you believe that He doesn’t exist and act accordingly.

          • Nofun

            No, you attribute things to a faith construct. You have not experienced a god in anyway except the choice to believe in such a faith construct.

            Stop believing in the faith construct and it disappears and leaves no hole. Then you will see it was never real in the first place.

          • Mike Dunger

            You’re awful arrogant about your beliefs, which is what started this entire conversation.

            I have seen God heal my child when doctors at a level 1 trauma center said she’d be dead in hours, or a machine supported vegetable. She’s an honor student in college now. You can’t deny that, you can’t change it, you can’t convince me that it was a just some lucky roll of cosmic probability.

          • Nofun

            Please! Are you saying she spontaneously healed without any medical intervention. Really?

          • Mike Dunger

            Yes, that’s exactly what I am saying. She had multiple bleeds in her brain as well as internal pressure that they couldn’t operate to correct.

            The EMTs that loaded her into the helicopter for the flight to the trauma center were shocked to find out that she even made it to the hospital.

            I already told you what the doctors said when we got her there.

            When we were getting ready to leave with her a week later, we thanked the doctors. Their response: “Don’t thank us, we just kept her alive, we didn’t heal her.”

            I suspect that if Christ Himself appeared to you, that you’d still refuse to believe in His existence. That’s your choice. But again, you have a right to your religion, your worldview, your belief system. But you don’t get to claim that it’s anything other than a religion, a worldview, and a belief system.

            I sincerely pray that He reveals Himself to you and wish you a good day.

          • Nofun

            Sounds like a nonsense internet tale to me.

          • Mike Dunger

            Well, you have a right to your opinion. You’re wrong, but you have a right to be wrong.

          • Nofun

            So she had medical attention at all times and they saved her.

            Why not blame Jesus for the malady rather than pretending he miraculously healed her.

            Are you going to say that this event made you believe in Christianity or was credulity already primed.

        • Joe Soap

          “The Church”? Which church is that then? Catholic? Protestant? Mormon? Does it also protect temples, synagogues and mosques? No need to answer because I already know. It’s ALL of them. Not just the one you go to.

          Atheism doesn’t have any of these so i don’t see how you can class it as a religion.

  • Fallenman4Jesus

    This guy’s out as far as I’m concerned. He’s a socialist, not a Christian.

    • Nofun

      There are plenty of socialist christians. Capitalism is hardly christian.

      • Fallenman4Jesus

        Says who? Usery is against God’s law – but making an honest profit is not.

        • Nofun

          Jesus said that rich man have little to no chance of going to heaven. Seems he wasn’t really on board with this honest profit thing.

          • Fallenman4Jesus

            That’s a stretch. The LOVE of money is the root of all evil, not money in and of itself. A rich man may have difficulty because his money may be an idol, like in the parable of the rich man. That does not universally apply to making an honest living/profit. Get real.

          • Nofun

            I love this dodge …… But who but the rich love money. Are you saying they hoard money against their will?

            That idea is in most religions in that the material distracts from the spiritual. Ignored of course in televangelist prosperity doctrine.

            But I was thinking more of Jesus directly saying rich men have no chance of going to heaven.

            Below is Matthew 20:24, New International Version (NIV). I include the context as well, lest you play that dodge, which is young rich man talking to Jesus about to ensure he goes to heaven. After claiming he followed the commandments etc Jesus said that for him that was not enough. He even said it twice.

            20
            The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
            21

            Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

            22

            But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
            23
            Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
            24
            And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

            Its amusing to see christians ignore this one but feel that the anti-gay passages should be followed to the letter.

          • Fallenman4Jesus

            Once again you fail to see the true lesson here – probably because you can’t know it without having the Spirit of God in you. Jesus was pointing out to the man that in fact he has not followed the commandments from his youth, that he has made money his idol and the young man was not able to give it up. It’s not a lesson against money, it’s a lesson in idolatry. Sigh – just stop trying to discern the Word without the Spirit – you can’t.

          • Nofun

            Lying about the bible, hey. The “spirit” seems to involve justifying your own behavior by reinterpreting scripture.The passages do not say he didn’t follow the commandments quite the opposite

            Mathew chapter 19
            20
            The young man saith unto him, All these things have I KEPT FROM MY YOUTH UP: what lack I yet?
            21
            Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

            Jesus was saying that obeying the commandments was not good enough for rich men as he had to give away his riches to get into heaven. The topic was thus money not generic idolatry.

            Jesus said TWICE how rich men could never enter heaven and he told the young rich man the only way he could enter heaven.

            It could not be plainer.

  • Gt Larabee

    Right Josey that too. It is all about political manipulation and the great accuser of the brethren with deception and lies. Read and apply the scriptures in the Bible and you will not be deceived.

    • Nofun

      Sure you will. Believe something without evidence and you are set up to believe the next thing without evidence. They are called suckers I believe.

  • Josey

    His problem is that he doesn’t read the Bible or obey what God thinks or says in it, God gives wisdom from His word. I wouldn’t vote for him!

    • Nofun

      Some of his Word is insane though and we have laws against many of its recommendations.

  • Roger Peritone

    Uh, you people ARE also donating food, water and medical supplies, right?

    • Nofun

      Let them eat bibles.

  • Bingo

    His kind of ‘unconditional love” loves people right into hell. I doubt, in the end, that any of those people will thank him for withholding the truth from them, while patting them on their heads as they march on to damnation.

  • m. flowers

    For those that begin to believe in GOD they will seek more of Him, and that being praying and reading the Bible, and even the word made flesh and dwelt among us= JESUS CHRIST, but many have turned from GOD and went there own way, and if they haven’t read the Bible they have no place to stand on the truth so they make up there own religion and go away from the creator, This happened before and we see it happening again in our space in time.

    • Nofun

      Most people who actually read the entire bible go atheist.

      • Ken Campbell

        One of the techniques for maintaining a false system is to write about the system in a language no one can read or understand. Thus Christianity was written in Latin and Islam was written in Arabic. As soon as the Bible was translated, people became aware of the inconsistencies and strange assertions. When the Qur’an is translated, it will suffer the same fate.

        • Nofun

          It certainly helps. It also allows you the dodge of “In the true translation it means …”.

  • Littlebopeep

    Mr. Kasich HAS A PROBLEM WATCH HIM WHENEVER HE IS ON T.V. His face twitches and in this video his left hand moved in contortions
    The Bible says YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS.
    HE DOES NOT HAVE MANY FRUITS Look at what he has done to his state.
    M. Kasich is certainly ABOVE asking God for guidance in fact he states he does not need God’s word to guide him he is superior, just ask him.

    • Nofun

      Faith constructs tend to only tell you what you want to hear.

  • poppyw

    Strange choice of wording on Kasich’s part. As a Christian, he doesn’t need the Bible to figure out some things? I thought the Bible was the Christian Handbook for living life in that it was written by the Holy Spirit. John might ought to read Ephesians 5: 11-12 and verse 17.

  • Titan

    Perhaps, if someone could provide validation for the existence of supernatural entity’s we could get somewhere in this debate, but, because no one can substantiate the existence of supernatural entity’s, here we are with a bunch of people pushing an assumption simply because they like it, no proof, no god.

    If your cosmic superhero needs your help in defending its existance, it isn’t any kind of god, period.

  • Mike Washe

    The fact is, evolution is real. And in scientific terms calling it a theory does NOT mean it has not been proven.

  • Eli Cabelly

    Of course the Theory of Evolution is just a theory, just like the Theory of Gravity is just a theory. Now, if you would like to demonstrate how theoretical these theories are, go jump off a cliff and show us the gravity isn’t real.

  • Eli Cabelly

    Once you’ve fallen into the trap of trying to prove that God is real you have lost. There is no proof either way. Proof is impossible. Furthermore, if you need to prove that God is real in order for you to believe in God, there is only one thing I have to say to you.

    Your faith is weak.

    • David Cromie

      I think you mean ‘faith in a god is non-existant’, if it cannot be proved that any ‘god(s)’ exist.!

      • Eli Cabelly

        No, not at all. If you need proof then your faith is weak. Proving that any diety exists is impossible.

        • David Cromie

          What ‘faith’ are you referring to?

          • Eli Cabelly

            Any faith.