‘Please Pray for Me, Holy Father:’ Kim Davis Embraces ‘Pope Francis,’ Bursts Into Tears Receiving Rosary

Davis Bergoglio-compressedWASHINGTON — The embattled Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis, who identifies as an Apostolic Pentecostal, met privately on Thursday with Jorge Bergoglio, also known as “Pope Francis,” who is the head of the Roman Catholic religion, during his visit to the United States.

According to reports, the meeting took place in Washington, D.C. following the pontiff’s address to Congress and just before he flew to New York City. Davis was in the area to receive an award from Family Research Council.

“The pope spoke in English,” she told Robert Moynihan of Inside the Vatican. “There was no interpreter. ‘Thank you for your courage,’ Pope Francis said to me. I said, ‘Thank you, Holy Father.’”

Davis said that she asked a Catholic “monsignor” if it would be okay to hug the pontiff, and was told that the greeting would be permissible.

“So I hugged him, and he hugged me back. It was an extraordinary moment,” she relayed. “‘Stay strong,’ he said to me. Then he gave me a rosary as a gift, and he gave one also to my husband, Joe. I broke into tears. I was deeply moved.”

Davis advised that she plans on giving the rosaries to her parents, who are both Roman Catholic.

“[H]e said to me, ‘Please pray for me.’ And I said to him, ‘Please pray for me also, Holy Father.’ And he assured me that he would pray for me,” she recalled.

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The Kentucky clerk also released a statement on Tuesday about the meeting through her attorneys at Liberty Counsel, which is an arm of Liberty University. The legal group is led by Matt Staver, a former Seventh-Day Adventist minister.

“I was humbled to meet Pope Francis. Of all people, why me?” Davis said. “I never thought I would meet the pope. Who am I to have this rare opportunity? I am just a county clerk who loves Jesus and desires with all my heart to serve him.”

“Pope Francis was kind, genuinely caring, and very personable,” she added. “He even asked me to pray for him.”

As previously reported, Davis has been in headlines in recent weeks for refusing to issue marriage licenses to homosexuals. She spent six days behind bars earlier this month when she would not comply with a judge’s order to do so because of her religious beliefs.

Davis is currently still under scrutiny after removing her name and title from the licenses being issued by Deputy Clerk Brian Mason as the ACLU is seeking to have her punished for allegedly violating a court order not to interfere with the issuance of the documents.

She has stated that from the beginning she only wished to have her name removed from the licenses as she is not seeking to stop “gay marriage” in Kentucky.

“While there are many accommodations available, the very simple accommodation I have proposed is to remove my name and my title as the clerk of Rowan County completely off the marriage license,” Davis explained in a press conference on Sept. 14. “These licenses could be issued under another authority including perhaps the Commonwealth of Kentucky or Gov. Beshear himself.”

Davis attends an Apostolic Pentecostal assembly in Morehead. According to the “Worldwide Directory of Apostolic Pentecostal Churches and Ministries,” Apostolic Pentecostals reject orthodox beliefs about the Godhead, providing a 60-point refutation of the trinity on their website. They also believe “full salvation” includes “baptism in water by immersion in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the initial sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.”


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  • jael2

    May God have mercy on Kim, and may He reveal to her that the Pope is neither her “father” nor is he holy. Quite the contrary….

    • Martin Gran

      Typical self righteous, non-Christ like opinion!

      • Joshua Sanda

        well, no. no one is holy but God, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ the Son. to label a mere finite human to be holy, in itself is blasphemy. it’s not self righteous. it’s true.
        We only have one father other than our Earthly father and that’s God. the bible also calls him Abba father, which is like a daddy way of saying father. Christianity has a big emphasis on a relationship with our Godly father. Pope can’t be no Godly father. you should look up the reformation of the church. there was original Catholicism before it changed and Martin Luther king created Protestantism to protest the Heresy that has become Catholicism. Protestantism is Christianity.

        • Martin Gran

          So, you are implying that the Mother of God was a mere human! I am sure that Christ Himself would disgree with you on that. Please explain to me as to where does it say that Catholic refer to the pope as the “Godly Father”.

          • Peter Leh

            do deities give birth? I am only aware of fallen creatures that give birth.

            adam and eve in their “perfect” state did not have children

          • Martin Gran

            Where did I say Mary was/is a deity? Your problem is you read into comments what you want them to say.

          • Peter Leh

            thank could very well be the case.

            if Mary was not merely human what was she?

          • Martin Gran

            Chosen by God to be the mother of Jesus Christ. A mere human would not fit the bill for that act.

          • Peter Leh

            seems a mere human is the perfect person for jesus who is all GOd and all MAN.

            is there another class i am unaware? Is there something more than human? Chosen i can accept… you and i are chosen but still merely human.

            so what you are getting at the is not plain to everyone?

          • Martin Gran

            Maybe you should rethink where you are coming from. In your opinion a simple mere human is more than worthy to be the mother of God?

          • Peter Leh

            none are worthy, martin. That is the theme of the whole cannon.

          • Martin Gran

            Obviously Mary was worth and as such she was not a mere human but one that was blessed in the eyes of God.

          • Peter Leh

            and what was mary’s “worth”? Help me martin! are we human or not?

          • Martin Gran

            I left the letter y off. It should read worthy! Sorry.

          • Peter Leh

            well ok. 🙂

          • Phipps Mike

            you are TRYING to be inarticulate. Mary was a mere human UNTIL God chose her. THEN she was more because of that blessing. She didnt have any magical powers, nor anything that was notably above any other human being.

          • BuzzieB

            But I believe they would have been able to do so, since God gave them that command before they sinned.

          • Peter Leh

            very true.

          • Jill Sawyer

            mary (Jesus’s human mother) was indeed a mere human woman…she was a virgin when God/Holy Spirit came upon her telling her that she would give birth to a child and his name was going to be Jesus….after that mary and Joseph did indeed consummate their marriage AND they had many other children….THAT IS SCRIPTURAL! get out of the catholic church!

          • Martin Gran

            Please tell us exactly where Mary had other children. So based on your believe there could actually be people running around today that by blood are related to Christ? You and your kind are so lost. Get out of the protestant church and come home to the Catholic Church.

          • Shirley temple dancer

            Martin Read Genesis it states that God found with Mary who was a pure women. She also had children after Jesus. The bible has the book of James who clearly states that he was Jesus’ brother. Now IF MARY WERE NOT HUMAN THEN WHY WOULD SHE HAVE OTHER CHILDREN.
            I PITY YOU. I would like to be next in line when you explain
            to God that you think Mary intercedes for you NOT Jesus.
            All nations and religions will be with God in Heaven I am not sure about the Catholics maybe a few who understand the fairy tale of CC

      • jennylynn

        The pope is just a man, nor should he be called father.

        Romans 3:10-12
        As it is written:
        “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”

        Matthew 23:9
        “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.

        Isaiah 2:22
        Stop regarding man who’s breath of life is in his nostrils for why should he be esteemed.

        • Martin Gran

          And when you fill out an application that is asking for your “father’s” name what do you put down?

          • jennylynn

            The answer lies in the context of what Jesus was saying. In Matthew 23, he was speaking to the multitudes and His disciples (verse 1). He was talking about how the scribes and Pharisees had seated themselves in “The chair of Moses,” which was a position of authority within the Jewish system at the time of the Pharisees. But Jesus was condemning them because He said that they “tie up heavy loads and laid them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them,” (Matthew 23:4). In verse 8, Jesus says not to call anyone Rabbi (which means teacher).

            “This was the title given to eminent teachers and founders of schools, to whom the people were taught to look up [to] rather than to God. It was also addressed to prophets (2 Kings 2:12; 6:21). In ver. 8 Christ said, “be not called;” here he uses the active, “call not,” as if he would intimate that his followers must not give this honoured title to any doctor out of complaisance, or flattery, or affectation.”1

            So, Jesus was saying that the true authority lies not with men but with God. In the context of the religious leaders of Israel and calling someone “father,” Jesus was saying not to give them the reverence and honor which belong to God. Jesus was not speaking in a biological sense as in Exodus 20:12. He was speaking about ecclesiastical superiority.

          • Martin Gran

            No. Using your own words you said no man should be called father. You can’t have it both ways. Maybe you are not as holy as you like to think you are!

          • Jina Appa

            Give it up, Martin.

          • Martin Gran

            Why? Do you think one of you protestants will be able to change my mind or heart? I was once a protestant but I came Home to the Holy Roman Catholic Church….the original Christian Church that is still and always will be Christian!

          • Jill Sawyer

            I feel sorry for you…you have been deceived…the catholic church is not the true church and Jesus did not make the 1st church the catholic church….you have been given the doctrine of the catholic church and it is a false one…also, the apostle peter was NOT made to be the 1st pope as is also taught in the catholic doctrine…if you understood Jesus’s words to peter that day when He asked all of the disciples who they thought that Jesus was….Peter stated that indeed Jesus WAS the Christ, the messiah….and then Jesus told Peter that the church was going to be built on Jesus for peter was indeed correct that the only way that Peter would know exactly who Jesus was and is was because of the Holy Spirit giving him (peter) the understanding…..the church was built on Jesus and Jesus only….what does it mean to become a christian Martin? how does one become a christian? you say you were protestant then went to the catholic church….so tell me, does the catholic church teach Acts 2:38? yes or no? I can answer that for you for Im sure you wont bother replying back to my post and that answer is NO….the catholic church does NOT teach Acts 2:38….what do you honestly know about the HISTORY of the catholic church? apparently nothing…you said you were protestant, so do tell me do you remember the 1st commandment? what does it say? it says that we are not to make any graven images and you know we are NOT to pray to any graven images either….SO do tell! WHY is the catholic church BOWING AND PRAYING to the statues of mary and other saints? the saints and mary is DEAD….THEY are NOT our intercessor between Jesus and God the Father! also, you might want to read the book of Revelation….and Daniel and Ezekiel…..the catholic church is the great harlot….if you read up and followup on the HISTORY of the catholic church and the queens that reigned, you might be able to see….might want to look at Queen Mary…..and what she did…..she isnt known as bloody mary for nothing! if you have any other questions I will be surely glad to get back to you with the answers, for you surely need someone to help you find those answers that you think the catholic church holds, which the only answers they have are lies….by the way also, the catholic church was started YEARS AFTER JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED! HUNDREDS OF YRS AFTER….might want to check that out!

          • Martin Gran

            You have been fed so much protestant crap growing up that it is truly a pity. I would suggest that you are the one that needs to read history. Why not start with the history of your own reformation. How many Catholic priest, nuns, and lay people did your so called Godly reformers kill? History has proven that Mary, Queen of Scott’s (Bloody Mary is the name protestants gave to her to cover up their own crimes) killed roughly around 300 protestants. Whereas, between, Henry and his daughter, Elizabeth, killed over 100, 000 thousand Catholics. And do you need to be reminded that the deaths of 500, 000 Irish Catholics lie at the feet of protestant England because the Irish were just that…Catholic.
            Hate to burst your little self righteous bubble there but Catholics do indeed follow the Bible. As a matter of fact if it weren’t for the Catholic Church you wouldn’t have a bible to read. Catholics do indeed follow the bible unlike your reformers who decided they knew better than God and thus removed 7 books from the bible. Why was that do you think? Also, I would suggest that you remove all crosses from your homes, your churches, or where ever you might have them. You really don’t want some extreme protestant fool saying that you are are pagan. Also, next time you ask someone to pray for you, you had better stop as you don’t want some protestant fool saying that you are a pagan! Keep your sorrow for yourself and your fellow protestants. You and other self righteous, non-Christian protestants are part of the reason I left the protestant faith and came home to the Catholic Church.

          • Shirley temple dancer

            How many alter boys did your church rape while cardinals and bishops looked the other way? BTW what church did the Spanish Inquisition? CATHOLIC

          • Jill Sawyer

            hate to burst your bubble, but the catholics DO NOT teach or go by the bible! you stated and I quote: “Please tell us exactly where Mary had other children. So based on your believe there could actually be people running around today that by blood are related to Christ? You and your kind are so lost. Get out of the protestant church and come home to the Catholic Church.” to answer your question how about looking at these scriptures:
            MATTHEW 13:53-58 KJV
            53 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, he departed thence.
            54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?
            55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
            56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
            57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
            58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
            ALSO: Mark 6:1-6 (KJV)
            1 And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him.
            2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
            3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
            4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
            5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
            6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

            *GASPS* WHAT WAS THAT I JUST PROVIDED YOU WITH? i THINK THAT WAS THE FACTS ALSO KNOWN AS THE TRUTH!!! AND YOU SAY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES FROM THE BIBLE?? YOU SAY THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE ONE TRUE CHURCH??

          • Martin Gran

            GASP! I suggest that you obtain a Catholic Bible and not one where your dear reformers removed books from the Bible. Also if Christ did have siblings , as you believe, why did he turn the care of His mother over to James the Youngest and not one of his older “sibling”? You still haven’t proved one thing there. And I hate to burst your little self righteous bubble the the Roman Catholic Church is based on the Holy Bible and was founded by Christ. Who started your little cult church?

          • Jill Sawyer

            the cult church is the catholic church….it even states in the book of revelation to come out of her…and those are the words of CHRIST! YOU are the one that is ignorant and your ignorance is going to get you straight to hell….it is apparent that you choose not to read the book of revelation either eh? or the book of daniel? do me a favor, stop replying for Im tired of proving anything to you…..

          • Martin Gran

            As you, I have also read Revelations as well as Daniel. Could you please tell me exactly where does it say “Roman Catholic Church” in revelation? You won’t be able to as it does not say “Roman Catholic Church”. Once again you have not proven anything to me. I take that back. All you have proven to me as well as others is that your lack of Biblical knowledge is sadly lacking. Also you have done nothing but show everyone what a religious bigot you are!

          • Jill Sawyer

            the great harlot is the catholic church…..mystery babylon is rome….a religious bigot Im called….well I will an shall say this—-if you have honestly read the bible, Jesus did indeed teach on exclusivity did he not? it was and is HIS way or else you went and go to hell correct? I GUESS WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHING THAT EVERYONE GOES TO HEAVEN IS BASED ON JESUS’S TEACHING RIGHT? NOT! ANOTHER thing——dont confuse the protestant people…the true protestant bible believing fundamentalists (whom the pope said was mentally ill and as well as the fact that people cannot have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ) with the westboro baptist church which is a CULT—-a hate filled cult ….the catholic mass does NOT teach this and I have been to many many a mass and NO , NONE, ZIP, NADDA priest and neither does the pope say anything about hell or what it takes to get to heaven….dont preach to me for speaking the truth

          • Martin Gran

            How sad. You can not find the words “Roman Catholic Church” in the book of Revelation so you have to make up little stories to convince yourself that you are right. With the hate that you are filled with I truly doubt that you have ever set foot into a Catholic Church. But then again if you want to live in a life of total ignorance and hatred then that is your right. But please stop trolling article about the Catholic Church in order to spew your insipid childish comments. Obviously you have forgotten what the Bible tells us to do and that is to love one another.

          • Martin Gran

            The only thing that you have proven to me is that you are a complete fool!

          • Jill Sawyer

            AND OF COURSE YOU CALL US PROTESTANTS PAGANS…YOU ARE A TRULY PATHETIC PERSON…..ALSO YOU ARE IGNORANT AND AS PER MY EXPERIENCE YOU AND OTHER CATHOLICS WANT TO DEFEND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BUT REFUSE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS I HAVE POSTED FOR YOU TO ANSWER! AGAIN, I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU…..SEE MY OTHER POST TO YOU BELOW IN REGARDS TO YOUR QUESTION THAT I DID INDEED ANSWER WITH SCRIPTURE (WHICH COMPLETELY SHOWS YOU THAT YOU ARE INDEED DECEIVED AND IGNORANT)…ANOTHER THING YOU ARE IGNORANT OF IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE TO CONFESS OUR FAULTS WITH ONE ANOTHER, NOT OUR SINS AS THE NIV SAYS AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES! BY THE WAY, THE NIV WAS TAKEN FROM THE KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE AND CHANGED WITH SCRIPTURES LEFT OUT AND OTHERS TWISTED….THAT IS FACT AND THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THE VERSE READS IN THE KJV: James 5:16″Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.”
            DONT LIKE THE TRUTH? DONT INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE….WHEN IT COMES TO THE BIBLE AND WHAT IS TAUGHT AND NOT TAUGHT I CAN GO ALL DAY PROVING YOU WRONG

          • Martin Gran

            Do you wear a cross around your neck? Do you have a cross hanging somewhere in your house? Is there a cross hanging in your church? If you answered yes to any of these then please take note that your fellow prods could and will refer to you as a pagan! I have to question your lack of intelligence when you state that the Catholic Bible we taken out of the KJB. Are you really serious about that part of your comment? If so then I would suggest that you crawl back into your little cult church and stop reading chick comics!

          • Jill Sawyer

            it is a FACT that the catholic church took the greek text of the king james bible, transcribed it to the latin and left out parts, twisted parts and added parts to the bible to suit their teaching….again, that is a fact…dont question my intelligence but you better be questioning yours as to what your catholic church is teaching you….try finding the truth for yourself and you are the one that is blinded…..you have eyes but you do not see the truth as it is as plain as the nose on that face of yours….and since I know since you seem to be so intelligent, you wont do the research yourself you might want to check this out for yourself: try putting in the new world order bible versions full story on you tube and watch it…you just might be surprised as to what the truth is….I doubt that you will do it, for Im sure that anyone that says anything to you that is truth, you have some come back to insult….go ahead and keep being ignorant for the saying of ignorance is bliss fits you very well

          • Martin Gran

            You are, which is sad, one self righteous, non-Christian, ignorant protestant! I have a KJB as I was once a baptist and believe me not one protestant minister had the nerve to tell that big of a lie. You need to stop reading those chick comics.

          • Jill Sawyer

            how about looking and comparing the King James Version against the other and newer translations and you will see exactly that you are wrong…it is the King James Version that was 1st in print in english, as well as the 1st bible in print period….you need to really learn the history of the bible….

          • Martin Gran

            And you need to learn history!

          • Martin Gran

            Why? I have the Catholic Bible which is the original Bible. The KJB is nothing but a Bible that is missing books because the reformers thought that they knew better than God as to what His words should say!

          • Jill Sawyer

            I have told you time and time again that your catholic “bible” was taken from the original king james version which was originally in greek….they made and wrongly transcribed it from the greek to the latin and then changed and added to it….but you seem to know it all so it is whatever…I gave you the link where you could actually check it all out but again, Im sure you wont…you think you know it all and no one else knows anything….have a good day

          • Martin Gran

            You have been so brain washed that it is sad. Are you actually going to tell me that the kjb, which came out in the 1600’s , came out before the Catholic Bible? How ignorant can you be? You need to do some unbiased research. And sorry to say, but compared to you I do know it all!

          • Jill Sawyer

            and I have also tried telling you that the catholic church came about many yrs after Jesus’s crucifixion but once again, you know it all so leave me alone

          • Martin Gran

            You are blinded to the truth because you have been brain washed by your little protestant cult church.

          • Shirley temple dancer

            Amen I found my way out of that darkness 60 years and could not feel better. I have a personal relationship with Christ and
            not asking a man (priest) for forgiveness I now ask God personally. CC brain washes children into confessing sins that they may never have committed but we MUST ask the priest who we now know were child abusers and sinners. Love Jesus with All of your heart NOT men in the CC.

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            Apparently you were not abused but some coo coo headed priest somewhere abused so ALL priests abuse… logic mankind can bet on any day.

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            Matthew 16:18, “I also say to you THAT you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church”

            John 1:42, “Jesus looked at him and said, ‘You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas’ (which, when translated, is Peter).

            Cephas = Rock

            I can only imagine the contortions you have to go through to make what Jesus said mean something else.

            Jesus called Simon ‘Rock’ and said he will build his Church on him, Simon the Rock.

            Jesus apparently was so impressed that ‘his Father in heaven’ could be the ONLY one to reveal this Truth to Simon, thus the name. It was like the Father saying, “this is he, place your People in his care”.

          • Jill Sawyer

            YOU might want to read the WHOLE chapter and stop pinpointing just a verse or 2….you might want to read the whole thing to keep them in context not make them out to what you want them to be or mean and by all means what you are being taught is the catholic doctrine which is a false doctrine…have a good day!

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            Oh dear! When you pin point a verse or two you are quoting, when I do same I am pin pointing. Come on, tell me the secret that I missed in the WHOLE chapter.

            I actually thought you were the one trying to make your text mean what you are taught in your own church. Hmmm.

            What’s interesting me now is this, Acts 2:38

            “Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be
            baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins;
            and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

            1) The Catholic Church teaches that baptism forgives sins
            2) It also teaches that you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit at baptism

            Mind you, it is only those who believe in Jesus Christ that offer themselves for baptism.

            If you doubt it check out the Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 977. All you need to do is google CCC 977 and voila! you’re there. Oh, I forgot, you said we are false so you won’t check it. Fine. Have it your way.

            Cheers!

          • Jill Sawyer

            I have a question for you…..do you understand the full meaning of baptism? do you understand that it is to immerse completely in water and not have someone SPRINKLE water over someone’s head? do you understand that a baby has no understanding of what it is to be baptized so therefore, a baby isnt accountable and if dies, will immediately be in the bosom of Jesus? all of these are questions that are legit and I hope you understand what it is that Im getting at….just because you baptize an infant doesnt mean that they are saved by grace…

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            My question to you is… Do you?

            First, let us address the extremes.
            1) Sprinkling of water is not baptism and is only used as a form of blessing. Baptism can be done by pouring or by immersion. In whichever case water must be used in its meaningful way.
            2) Baptism is from baptizo which means to immerse. But immersion is not the only meaning of baptizo. Sometimes it
            just means washing up. Thus Luke 11:38 reports that, when Jesus ate at a
            Pharisee’s house, “[t]he Pharisee was astonished to see that he did not
            first wash [baptizo] before dinner.” They did not practice
            immersion before dinner, but, according to Mark, the Pharisees “do not
            eat unless they wash [nipto] their hands, observing the tradition of the elders; and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless they wash themselves [baptizo]” (Mark 7:3–4a, emphasis added). So baptizo can mean cleansing or ritual washing as well as immersion. Insisting that the only meaning and manner described by the word is immersion is an extreme.

            That aside, it is true that babies have no understanding of what it is to be baptized but that requirement is only for adults, of course. Baptism is closely related to receiving the Spirit. Submitting oneself to baptism is an initiation rite that represents our submission to the washing of our souls by the Holy Spirit. This brings us into the New Covenant, the Covenant of Jesus the Christ. This condition of being open to the washing by the Holy Spirit is inherent in children and we their parents or guardians already in the Covenant by nature of our relationship have the place of transmitting this Spirit to them. This is why we have the capacity to respond on their behalf. In the exercise of this office it is incumbent that we have them undergo the initiation rite, the beginning of their journey of faith, through the faith of the parents. This is why once one was baptized so too was the whole household (all over whom one had responsibility) of the convert we see in scripture. This is a gift. That I was born into a Christian home is the free gift of God, that my parents initiated me into the life of the New Covenant is the expression of their ultimate Christian love for me. They are therefore also saved by grace.

            So, my dear Jill, you have been given a narrative, which you peddle, that is not in consonance with the Christian life which is an extension, in fulfillment, of the Jewish life where their children were likewise initiated into the Old Covenant even when they couldn’t be accountable. Thanks.

          • Jill Sawyer

            Yes I do and thank you for asking but that wasn’t my question to you

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            So, what was the question?

          • Shirley temple dancer

            Peter was given this instructions from Jesus go not into Samaria (non Jews) but ONLY to my tribe of lost sheep in Israel?
            No mention of Peter being a Jew in your book either.
            The false premise that CC uses is that when Peter declared
            Jesus the Christ and Jesus said because you declare this upon this rock I will build my church he was not speaking of Peter himself but Peters recognition that Peter declared Jesus the Son of God. CC is NOT the original church but a false church. I spent many years asking priests questions who only repeated CC doctrine which goes against the TRUE Holy Bible that protestants use. I saw the light and left that apostate church forever.

          • Joseph Essien-Obot

            1) I think you forgot the point where Jesus said, “you are rock”. I don’t know how more direct one can be. Jesus did not say, “your declaration is rock”.

            2) Please, by all means do show us the original Church, surely it couldn’t have all disappeared, now could it. Christians did not only exist in the empire of Rome. Christianity traveled as far away as India and territories in Africa beyond the Roman borders. So, ball in your court. Thanks.

          • Shirley temple dancer

            Matthew 23:9 is correctly stated as that. Jesus was referring to the Pharisees and Scribes. Religious Jews something not in you Catholic Bibles. She is Holy but you sir are a Phony.
            How about this verse it is another forbidden one in your book
            JESUS SAID: I HAVE BEEN GIVEN ALL AUTHORITY OF HEAVEN AND EARTH.
            No mention of a Pope there. BTW Peter was a Jew NOT Catholic

          • Wingnut

            …sorry for butting in, but I’d be willing to bet it’s not the pope! 🙂

          • Martin Gran

            And you can bet that it is not God!

          • Shirley temple dancer

            Not a Popes name

        • Phipps Mike

          ” nor should he be called father.” yes jenny, we know that you would LOVE no Pastors to be existent so that you may consider yourself the leading authority on religious matters. Dont poke your head with a pin…..POP!!!!

      • JudeThree

        Jesus Christ is Lord and the only way the truth and the life. It is because of His work on the cross, his death, burial and resurrection I can have God’s ear, salvation, forgiveness and eternal life. That salvation is complete, it needs no extras, prayers,works, idol worship or human interference.To add or remove anything from God’s word is negating the work of the Jesus Christ and denying the truth of God’s word.” It is by grace you have been saved, that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God..”

        • Names_Stan

          That salvation is complete, it needs no extras, prayers,works, idol worship or human interference… It is by grace you have been saved, that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God..”

          Seems this is the prevailing theology when downing Catholics…but when the topic is homosexuality, suddenly everything is based on works.

      • Jina Appa

        Wow…just wow.

        • Martin Gran

          I call it as I see it!

      • Jill Sawyer

        that was not a self righteous non Christ like opinion but indeed the truth……sorry if you cannot accept that truth…might want to get the bible down and read the passages that jennylynn posted in reply to your post!

  • Parson_Rayphe

    oh my…. I certainly do appreciate her convictions but I can only attribute this to the fact that she is a fairly young Christian. I hope someone informs her about the truth of who she seems enamored with.

    • Peter Leh

      she has been a baptist for over 20 years, i believe.

      i would not call that “young”, would you?

      • Antoine Mason

        You can ritualistically go to a church and still be young in the faith. For example I knew nothing about the Westminster catecism until 7 years after I was licensed to preach. In fact I knew very little about the church fathers and sound doctrine. I was just into Word of Faith preachers like Juanita Bynum, Creflo Dollar and Paula White.

        • Peter Leh

          but can you get married 4 times in a baptist church and NOT KNOW you are doing wrong? at what point do we jettison excuses for our behavior?

          • Angel Jabbins

            Yep, you sure can…not every Baptist church is a biblical church…denominational names really don’t mean that much anymore. Is the Bible taught and followed as the infallible Word of God at her church? That is a better guide to follow as to how the issue of divorce and remarriage will be handled in a church. If it is a true Biblical church, a member would not be allowed to get married over and over again as she did. That would be going against the Bible’s teaching on the sanctity of marriage and make a mockery of it.

          • Names_Stan

            “not every Baptist church is a biblical church…denominational names really don’t mean that much anymore. Is the Bible taught and followed as the infallible Word of God at her church?

            How exactly is this a “better guide” than:
            – the two greatest commandments?
            – the Sermon on the Mount?
            – the parables of Jesus?

            In what passage of scripture do we find this “truth”, that pronouncing the bible as infallible is more important than living the truths it teaches?

            In what passage do we find it is a requirement of the Christian Faith to hold the bible above all things, even the life, teachings and resurrection of Jesus?

            This is a new invention, no older than the Internet itself.
            It’s no different than a guy who obsessively collects baseball cards, but he’s never actually seen a game.

          • Phipps Mike

            “In what passage do we find it is a requirement of the Christian Faith to hold the bible above all things” exactly! you have to excuse Angel, shes mentally retarded/

          • Angel Jabbins

            If you do not believe that the Bible is inspired nor infallible, then why would you believe in ‘the two greatest commandments, the Sermon on the Mount, or the parables of Jesus”? How can you trust any of it?

            And if you don’t believe in the resurrection of Christ, any faith you might have in Him is completely in vain. He is powerless to do anything for you. Christianity came to the world through what Christ, God Himself, did for us at the cross and that is recorded in the Bible by those he inspired to write it all down. If you don’t believe in the ‘life, teachings and resurrection of Jesus’…then what do you have left? Nothing. Might as well go read about Buddha, Joseph Smith, or Mohammed. Sadly none of them can save your soul.

          • Names_Stan

            Perhaps not, but I think they all could read.

            It would be obvious to any reader that your projection of my beliefs are either a result of poor reading or intellectual dishonesty.

            I suspect the latter. When someone points out the 21st century tendency of putting the bible ahead of Christ, and the things He said we should concern ourselves with, the usual smokescreen comeback is to pretend we “don’t believe”.

            The position I stated is simple: What I don’t believe in is bibliolatry.
            It’s difficult to conceive that you are really unaware there is another path…a path that is far, far older and better documented than bibliolatry.

          • Shirley temple dancer

            There is one path to God, birth OT death and resurrection and second coming NT
            Joel OT tells of everything in the NT you in your superior thinking have not discovered anything beyond your own limited capacity of thought

          • Shirley temple dancer

            Start in the OT God gave his word to Abraham, Moses and many more. Then consider this the last book of OT Malachi and the first in NT there was 400 years of silence. God after wiping out and starting over gave book Jews and Gentiles another chance. God sent his son as a human man for all mankind. The two books tie the history of God having a relationship with mankind. To hear someone say the book is not truth astounds me. We have the 10 commandments from the old and Jesus speaking in the new t. to think you actually
            want to take only part and say the book is not infallible then why would God even bother with mankind?
            BTW you did not mention the Second Coming however you better get ready it is coming from what horror and degradation I see in this current world. Believe or not but only parts means nothing of his word will not be accepted by God. Rethink your choice

          • Names_Stan

            Believe or not but only parts means nothing of his word will not be accepted by God

            Then it should be easy for you to cite all the passages that back that up.
            Go ahead and quote the verses that say believing inerrancy is a requirement for salvation.

            I’ll wait.

            You can also tell me which version you claim to be the inerrant one. How exactly does one decide which translation they have to claim in order to be saved?

            Have you ever noticed the footnotes in most translations? Footnotes like “some of the earliest manuscripts do not include Mark 16:9-20”.

            Which people are saved…the ones who say Mark ends at verse 8, or the ones who say Mark ends at verse 20?

          • Phipps Mike

            ” Is the Bible taught and followed as the infallible Word of God at her church?” if it is, the Church needs to be burned to the ground, Then all fundamentalists should be inside while it burns.

          • Erin Kühn

            REALLY Mike? Someone is ‘retarded’ for standing up for the Bible? The church should be burned to the ground with fundamentalists inside?! Sounds like there is a lot of hate in your heart. I am sorry for you. It sounds like the Bible is offensive to you…or maybe just the Authour?

          • Angel Jabbins

            Thanks for your comment, Erin. I didn’t see the comment that was deleted thankfully. Sad, very sad the hatred for the Bible today. It calls out sin and that is offensive. Yet it tells of the greatest gift ever offered to man…forgiveness and unconditional love forever with God in heaven through what His Son, Jesus Christ, did for us on the cross. The devils must be amazed at these people because God never sent His Son to die for any demon. They sinned against God and that was it…thrown out and condemned to the Lake of Fire at the Last Judgment. But, ‘God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that, whoever will believe in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world: but that the world through Him might be saved.’ Such as hateful message, huh? They love their sin…that is the problem here.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You are doing a beautiful job, Angel! Your brothers and sisters in Christ love you and thank you for your courage. Continue to carry on, spread the Word, and remember that every time you are hated for being true to Jesus and every time you are slandered, you are receiving an eternal blessing from God. (Matthew 5:10-12)

          • Angel Jabbins

            Thank you for your kind words, World.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Yes, just wanted you to know that we are thanking God for you and for your courage and for taking on false prophets and wolves. You do so beautifully, and you show the Grace and Truth that God has given you.

          • Angel Jabbins

            Thank you for the kind words. Just hope I can live up to them. I appreciate you and others as well who are here standing boldly for the faith and also showing His love to the lost. May God help us and find us faithful.

          • Names_Stan

            If you never even read the guy’s comment, how on earth do you know he hates the bible, why he hates it, or what his position on “devils” and “demons” is?

            I didn’t read it either. But you’ve obviously taken Erin’s interpretation of a post, piled on an even worse leap of negativity, and even played the poor, put-upon victim.

            Even though you’re always, every day, in the heavy majority at this site.

            I don’t know who “Mike” is, but I bet I know people like him. He’s probably searching hard for some good to be found in Christianity, or why come here really? A person can troll harder in lots of other places.

            Unfortunately what he found, and what I fear many lurkers find, is only a reinforcement for their negative view.

          • Angel Jabbins

            I did later find Mike’s comment in my email account where it got sent before it was deleted. I deleted it right away so can’t quote his exact words, but it was basically that he wished all fundamentalist Christians could be rounded up and burned alive in their churches. In light of what has happened in Oregon this week, that is a very disturbing statement. Or are you of the same mind?

            I have chatted with Mike many times here on various issues. I have always tried very hard to be courteous/kind to him while explaining what I believe and why I believe it. At no time have I ever said anything derogatory or threatening to him and he knows it. Yet he spews hatred and that is because he does not like the exclusive message of Christianity. I do not hate him at all and do forgive his remarks and pray for him and also for you.

            As to worshiping the Bible instead of Jesus, that is not what we do as Christians. But there IS no Jesus Christ without the Bible. Jesus Himself verified it to be true, to be His Word. Matt 5:17-19

            “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

            The entire Bible speaks of Christ from its beginning in Genesis right up to the very end in Revelation. You cannot understand who Jesus is or what He came to do without the Bible. It is His Book. Without the Bible, what do you have? Bits and pieces of truth with lots of error thrown in, but you will not have The Way, The Truth, and The Life…Jesus Himself. He is on every page. I do not worship the Bible. I worship the God Man that I came to know only through His Word.

          • Shirley temple dancer

            because Mike and his ilk do not want to hear that they are sinners. We know we all are but they hold them selves above
            God an believers. Pray for them before the end comes that they find God

          • Angel Jabbins

            BTW, I am not and never will be a ‘poor, put-upon victim’. I am victorious in Jesus Christ always, no matter what any man can say or do against me.

            1 Corn 15:57 “But thank God! He gives us victory over sin and death through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

          • Shirley temple dancer

            Sorry, I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Your self proclamation of your intelligence is laughable

          • Names_Stan

            Except that you just did “engage” me three times, when none of the posts were directed to you.

            Your ad hominem attack raises a observation though. It’s interesting that you didn’t quote which of my comments claimed my own intelligence.

            You should probably cite that quote, since I know you don’t want to give any appearance of dishonesty. Especially when you’re in the very powerful position of telling others on God’s behalf who is saved and who isn’t.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Well-done, Erin!

          • Peter Leh

            If a baptist church is preaching biblical marriage. would they not be considered “liberal”? Are there liberal baptist churches in Kentucky? 😉

          • Angel Jabbins

            I am sure there are liberal baptist churches in kentucky. Liberal churches are all over the map today.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Truth. Many Baptist churches, even in the South, are feel-good churches. Probably not most, but I have been in them.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Not most, at least now when I was there, but surely some.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Peter, it is well-reported that she has only considered herself a Christian for 4 years, only placing her full trust in Jesus for that long. Going to church has nothing to do with being a Christian – I even went to church sometimes in my atheist days. I never believed a word of what I was certain was myth.

        • Peter Leh

          Which leans toward confirming she follows the pentacostal doctrine of salvation being confirmed by tongues?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I don’t know, Peter, that is a very interesting question you ask. I think it is very speculative too, but it IS interesting. I just know that she did not consider her life changed until 4 years ago. She has said that her life was filthy before, or something like that. My guess is that she had an indwelling of the Holy Spirit 4 years ago, regardless of doctrinal non-essentials.

            Along those exact same lines, I read an interesting commentary this morning that you might enjoy (just take the space out):

            http://townhall .com/columnists/michaelbrown/2015/09/30/an-open-letter-to-justin-bieber-about-living-like-jesus-n2059102/page/full

          • Peter Leh

            Speculative indeed. i’ll admit it. The conservative pentecostals i know do not consider me a brother… because i am not pentecostal . 🙂

            kind of like others who dont consider me a brother simply because i challenge and even may disagree. 🙂

            “My guess is that she had an indwelling of the Holy Spirit 4 years ago, regardless of doctrinal non-essentials.”

            may very well be the case. I dont think her 4 marriages while being a baptist does not remove accountability.

            Looked at the link. Brown notwithstanding… it was pretty much spot on.

            thank you.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “I dont think her 4 marriages while being a baptist does not remove accountability.”

            You have one to many negatives in there, Peter, if I have you right. She has repented to Christ and publicly admitted it. She has admitted her past life was filthy, or some other word. I am certain that she continues to suffer the earthly consequences of these sins, but it would appear that Jesus has forgiven her – based on her testimony and her life change.

            All that is left for her by some is to be burned at the stake. And many of those sorts are openly advocating gay “marriage” and most unrepentantly so, even while calling themselves Christian, which would be laughable if it were not so serious. If I found myself in a life or death situation – one that required another person to risk their life – I would pray to God that he put a Kim Davis there, and not a “you-know-who” (not you, but a number of remarkably cowardly Christians) from this site. She has shown her courage, yet so many who claim to know Christ do not get it.

          • Peter Leh

            how does asking for forgiveness absolve her continual repetitive adultery?

            repentance is a turning away of sin, no?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            So would engaging in the sin of divorce – again. That’s an objective moral dilemma, Peter, NOT an act of unrepentance.

            Question: Corrie ten Boom continued to sin while repeatedly lying to the Nazis about her not having Jews in her house. Was she unrepentant, or was her faith genuine?

          • Peter Leh

            “So would engaging in the sin of divorce – again.”
            Which is what Davis would be engaging in: continuing the marriage with her husband she is unbiblically married to.

            “Question: Corrie ten Boom continued to sin while repeatedly lying to
            the Nazis about her not having Jews in her house. Was she unrepentant,
            or was her faith genuine?”

            by the letter of the law? :sin.. a lie is still a lie.
            moral relativism?: understandable under the circumstances.

            Davis is going by the letter of the law for OTHERS but not applying the same standard to HERSELF. I am just judging her based on her standards she puts on others while excluding herself of the same judgement.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Which is what Davis would be engaging in: continuing the marriage with her husband she is unbiblically married to.”

            Which is why it is a moral dilemma, NOT moral relativism.

            “by the letter of the law? :sin.. a lie is still a lie.moral relativism?: understandable under the circumstances.”

            The Corrie ten Boom situation is ALSO a moral dilemma, Peter, NOT moral relativism: if she tells the truth, the Jews she is hiding are off to the concentration camp, thus she would be sinning by violating Jesus’ Second Commandment AND by violating the lesson He taught in Matthew 12. If she lies, just the opposite.

            Interestingly, I have actually been told by one or two Christians that they would tell the truth and put the Jews in God’s hands. These Christians are patting themselves on the back by keeping to the Ten Commandments even while violating Jesus’s Second Commandment. In their eyes, Corrie ten Boom is going to get spanked in Heaven for lying. Unreal! What a reading of Scripture!

            “Davis is going by the letter of the law for OTHERS but not applying the same standard to HERSELF.”

            Who said she is not applying the same standard to herself? Has she divorced and remarried in the last 4 years?

          • MamaBear

            As one pastor I had years ago said, divorce is a sin. But if you have already divorced and remarried, it can’t be undone and God expects you to have a Christian marriage with the one you are with now.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I agree. She seems to be doing a very good job of following God now. Wouldn’t it be impossible for anyone, except for Jesus of course, to stand up for righteousness if they had to be perfectly sinless?!? Yet, that is what those who side with sin seem to be saying.

            I guess they would have thrown Wilberforce, Newton, Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Corrie ten Boom, and especially Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr under the bus for being hypocrites.

          • Peter Leh

            “Who said she is not applying the same standard to herself? Has she divorced and remarried in the last 4 years?”

            the Bible.
            she is on her 4th marriage.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Not since she became Christian.

          • Peter Leh

            are sinners “exempt” from paul’s inspired rules for adultery?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I thought that you and I were sinners too? Are you throwing Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglass, Corrie ten Boom, Dr. MLK, Jr, etc under the bus for speaking and acting out against atrocities because they were sinners and hypocrites too? It would seem that your standard for those who obey and follow God would be unattainable (by anyone other than Jesus).

          • Peter Leh

            we are.

            I am only using the “same standard’ on Davis as she is using on the homosexuals. 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            If your view is that she should have resigned instead, I fully respect that view. I think that this is a true moral dilemma, and one in which both solutions – stand in the gap or resign – are reasonable solutions for any Christian to make. (Unlike the Corrie ten Boom case, where I think that Christians who assert that Corrie should have told the truth are completely missing Jesus’ message in Matthew 12.)

            The reason that I admire Davis’ courage is that her religious freedom assertion is explicitly enumerated in the Constitution and gay “marriage,” like abortion, is completely fabricated out of thin air. I also believe that standing up for religious freedoms is something all Christians should consider, but not necessarily perform if they are not up to the fight, because I believe that religious freedoms are one way of fulfilling Jesus’ Second Commandment.

            But, I fully respect the “she should have resigned” view within the Christian community.

          • Peter Leh

            “But, I fully respect the “she should have resigned” view within the Christian community.”

            that is indeed my view.

            Moreover, i am playing the devils advocate to show her reasoning is off base by cherry picking her conviction of sin ( homosexuality) with the scriptural definition of sin (adultery… in her life AND other citizens she freely “participates” in while reject homosexuality)

            And again. I am all for religious accommodation, but she is the clerk. She calls the shots. she can have another employee of hers distribute the license ( as the clerk in hood county texas did) but she overruled that.

            Her religious conviction stands as a citizen but acting as the county clerk her religious conviction is does not supersede the rights of over citizens while acting as the government.

            Citizens? equal

            Government rep overruling the right of the citizens? unequal.

            Davis is attempting to eat her cake and have it at the same time.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “I am all for religious accommodation, but she is the clerk. ”

            Even clerks deserve religious accommodation. And she begged for it – months in advance. “Equality” does not mean “identicality.”

            Not gonna throw you under the bus for the “she should have resigned” view – just that we disagree. But, it is a non-essential within the Christian faith, in my view.

          • Peter Leh

            “Even clerks deserve religious accommodation. And she begged for it –
            months in advance. “Equality” does not mean “identicality.””

            So i ask again. IF the clerk in Hood County Texas can do it and not violate her faith, why cant Davis.

            She is not asking for accommodation. Davis is asking for an exemption. Image a world where we have to find the “right” government entity that accommodates the “right ” kind of citizen. you would not want to live in that world, no?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “IF the clerk in Hood County Texas can do it and not violate her faith, why cant Davis?”

            Did the license have the clerk’s name on it? If so, then you are missing the entire point. if not, then that is precisely what Kim Davis asked for – months before the bogus SCOTUS ruling.

            “She is not asking for accommodation.”

            False. She asked for accommodation since at least the beginning of this year – in anticipation of the flawed SCOTUS ruling – the same type of accommodation that is granted by other states. It sounds to me like you do not comprehend the concept or importance of religious freedoms for a country. Even an atheist, which I know you are not, should be able to understand that countries with religious freedom rights do much better in terms of human rights AND prosperity, i.e., less poor. You seem to be a Christian who believes that secularism, in and of itself, is objectively moral. I would have to ask you the for the foundation for such a belief?

            “Image a world where we have to find the “right” government entity that accommodates the “right ” kind of citizen. you would not want to live in that world, no?”

            i already do live in that kind of a world – one where liberal leaders like Barack Obama, Eric Holder, and Gavin Newsom get to pick and choose which laws they follow. Also, I am a pro-life Christian who serves on the sidewalk in front of abortion mills: I know full well that there are different (read more stringent) rules and enforcement procedures for us than for the pro-deathers on the other side.

          • Peter Leh

            “Did the license have the clerk’s name on it?”

            yes.. because she is the county clerk.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Therein lies the problem. You are comparing apples with oranges.

          • Peter Leh

            I dunno…all licenses have the county clerks name on it.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Not the county that Kim Davis is in, I don’t think. 🙂

          • Peter Leh

            “False. She asked for accommodation”

            i know she asked for accommodation. So now she is making up her own rules that only apply to her. But it will stop soon most likey

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “So now she is making up her own rules that only apply to her.”

            Nope, she is claiming her religious freedom rights, something ALL americans can do, even atheists, I suppose. 🙂

          • Peter Leh

            she has her rights as i have said. She either can do her job with her rights or quit with her rights.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            False dichotomy. She can also be accommodated in her job, and granted the religious freedom rights guaranteed for ALL Americans by the Constitution. That is the third option.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Are those sins not forgivable, in your eyes? Jesus died for all our sins.

          • Peter Leh

            Indeed. but paul is clear on what constitutes adultery. she has been married 4 times. can she keep sinning that grace may increase?

          • LadyGreenEyes

            If she was to divorce now and remarry again, then you could ask that question. She isn’t doing that, and was saved, and forgiven, after those other times, as far as I can tell. She isn’t continuing to sin. Apparently, you would rather that she divorced, and thus did continue to sin, because you can’t accept that her old sins are gone. That’s all your issue. As you are forgiven, so must you forgive.

          • Peter Leh

            To be sure i am playing devil’s advocate. In addition I am judging her “with the same judgment” she judges others.

            in scripture it is spell out what constitutes adultery once divorced. What is not spelled out explicitly is when the adultery with the same person ends.

            what constitutes repentance? when one turns away from sin and then turn to Jesus. A “180” if you will. Even Paul said” Shall I CONTINUE in sin that grace may abound? NO.”

            So what constitutes adultery in scripture? Jesus said if you divorce, outside of the cause being immorality, then remarry you have committed biblical adultery( outside of the other spouse dying). So then i divorce, remarry, ask for forgiveness, then CONTINUE my adulterous relationship? I sure don’t see that affirmation in scripture.

            Moreover, does this biblical definition of adultery only apply to “non- believers”? I don’t see that confirmation in scripture, either. Do you?

            “Apparently, you would rather that she divorced, and thus did continue to
            sin, because you can’t accept that her old sins are gone. That’s all
            your issue. As you are forgiven, so must you forgive”

            not at all. I am all for forgiveness.

            as i said, i am looking for consistency in Davis’ argument to withhold government services to american tax paying citizens using a biblical standard she does not apply to herself or other american citizens that she FREELY gives service to that are just as “sinful”. 🙂

          • LadyGreenEyes

            The point is, when she accepted Jesus, her sins were forgiven. If she divorced the latest husband, that would be another sin. Also, we don’t know what her reasons for the other divorces were, or if infidelity was involved. If so, then she wasn’t sinning, unless he was the one cheating.

            None of that means that she should condone and participate in the willful sin of others, in aiding mockeries of the oldest institution created by God. None of us is perfect, but the Bible doesn’t say we must accept sin because we fail ourselves.

          • Peter Leh

            “Also, we don’t know what her reasons for the other divorces were, or if
            infidelity was involved. If so, then she wasn’t sinning, unless he was
            the one cheating.”

            seems like an important fact to find out, no?

            So if all 4 of her marriages pass the biblical test.. fine. But what if they don’t? if she holds that standard to OTHERS (homosexuals) i am holding that standard to her (biblical adultery).

            In addition, i question her sincerity as there is no record she has rejected a license to couples getting married for a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, time. You mean to tell me their are NO biblical adulterers in Kentucky? Please…..

            i think the word here is “cherry picker” 🙂

            “The point is, when she accepted Jesus, her sins were forgiven.”

            that is all well and good.

            So if one is married to another woman’s man (according to the biblical def of adultery), accepts Jesus, then continues to be with another woman’s man.. is it still not adultery?

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Her sins are between her and God,a nd she isn’t demanding that anyone else participate in her sins, past or present. Homosexuals are demanding that others participate, and that is the issue here. You want to focus on her, instead of on the actual problem. Speaking of cherry picking……

            Focus on that, then we can discuss the issue.

          • Peter Leh

            “You want to focus on her, instead of on the actual problem. Speaking of cherry picking……”

            lol no.. that would be changing the subject entirely.

            I guess what i am trying to understand here is how a woman can marry another woman’s husband (which jesus say is adultery), ask for forgiveness, then continue in what jesus has already was an adulterous relationship?

            So we can sin, ask for forgiveness then continue engaging in that very same sin?

            I am sorry but i am gonna have to ask for specific scriptural references that allows one to continue in adultery.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Why are you so concerned with her personal life, instead of being concerned with the very real issues of freedom related to this case? Unless her husband is a bigamist, which I haven’t heard, she isn’t married to someone else’s husband.

          • Peter Leh

            that is not what Jesus said.

            “I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

            Assuming this also applies to women… where does the bible say Davis may divorce her husband, ask for forgiveness then continue the the very same adulterous relationship as Jesus described ?

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Again, why are you so concerned with her personal life? Do you believe she doesn’t have rights if you don’t agree with her decisions?

          • Peter Leh

            why is Jesus concerned with everyone’s personal life? 🙂

            Still waiting for the verse to confirm one can continue in sin… 🙂

          • LadyGreenEyes

            You are not Jesus, and you are not sinless. Mind your own house.

          • Peter Leh

            Seems the subject has change. 🙂

          • Guest

            Ask Naghmeh.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            If she asked forgiveness for her previous sins, that removes those sins. To leave the husband she has now would add another, unless there was current infidelity. The past sins are gone, as far as God is concerned.

          • Shirley temple dancer

            First Peter as a Pentecostal I/the church welcomes all who love Jesus. Catholic, Jew, or any other church. You went to the wrong church if you were rebuffed.
            Second regarding whether Kim and her many marriages are accepted I tell you this as a Christian.
            1.Let him without sin throw the first stone
            2. Judge not lest you be judged
            3 Jesus died for ALL YOU ME AND KIM

          • Peter Leh

            “You went to the wrong church if you were rebuffed.”

            i have been to many wrong churches. 🙂

            “1.Let him without sin throw the first stone
            2. Judge not lest you be judged
            3 Jesus died for ALL YOU ME AND KIM”

            exactly my point in how Kim is treating others by refusing to do what she was elected to do.

          • Leon Redmond

            Peter, If you’re born again, and you love Jesus, you are my brother regardless if you’re a pentecostal or not.

          • Peter Leh

            Thank you, leon!

          • Shirley temple dancer

            There is more than tongues in the doctrine. Try going to one
            and pick up the Doctrine. They believe in immaculate birth
            death and resurrection. They believe he will come again.
            They also believe that the “Holy Bible”
            not a doctrinational bible is the FULL WORD AND TRUTH OF JESUS CHRIST

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Seems likely.

      • Shirley temple dancer

        I guess you can’t read. She stated she is a Pentecostal that means a member of the Assemblies of God Church NOT Baptist. Blessings to all Christians

        • Peter Leh

          She became pentecostal 4 years ago. 20 years before that was was baptist.

      • LadyGreenEyes

        Baptist? The article states that she was raised by Catholic parents, and calls herself “Apostolic Pentecostal”. Where have you read Baptist? If she’s practiced that, she’s beyond confused, because I don’t know any Baptists that would call him what she says she did!!

  • staad

    didnt expect kim was a Oneness adherent. now it all makes sense.

  • Lisa

    Wonder what she’ll do with the rosary? But then again she is enamored of the pope. She seems to be cluelessly enjoying her 15 minutes of fame.

    • David Morales

      Give them to her parents, who are both catholic, she said, padawan…

      • Lisa

        Lol! I stopped reading at the sentence right above that-guess I should read the whole article then I would know where the rosaries were going.

  • Dave_L

    My, what a different tune we sing today.

    • Peter Leh

      yep. we cannibalize our own very very quickly….

  • FoJC_Forever

    She was a Democrat for a long time, with no apparent problem with their outspoken support of abortion. She switches her political party after being adored and supported by the Republicans. If it were a man who refused to issue licenses, he would not be winning the support she is, because Feminism is at work here, not Christianity.

    Now we see more about her roots, since her parents are pagans masquerading as Christians. She embraces the pope, even committing sacrilege by calling him “Holy Father” and accepting a pagan, idolatrous symbol. She is religious, but she is not being led by the Holy Spirit.

    False religion is bonding together under the pretense of loving and worshiping Jesus (the) Christ, but it is a work of the Devil and not of the Holy Spirit.

    • Peter Leh

      “She embraces the pope, even committing sacrilege by calling him “Holy Father” and accepting a pagan, idolatrous symbol.”

      speaking of pagan symbols. Fojc what church do you attend? is there a steeple? Alter? Cross? Robes of any kind? (all once pagan symbols)

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        • Peter Leh

          is plagiarism a christian virtue? 🙂

          since you did not answer the question… I can assume you, yourself, are participating and accepting “a pagan, idolatrous symbol.” as well?

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          • Martin Gran

            Curious as to why you are replying in Latin to the questions asked of you.

          • FoJC_Forever

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      • Berean1st

        The rosary is prayer beads for prayers to Mary, a non-diety. Therefore it is a pagan symbol.

        • Peter Leh

          as are the others I have listed. yet we dont seen too concerned about the pagan symbols WE have.

          I think Jesus called that “the log in your eye.” 🙂

        • Martin Gran

          I would suggest that you take a look at all of the prayers that are prayed with the rosary and not just spew your spoon fed hatred.

          • Berean1st

            My, my. You sound a bit hateful. I was raised a catholic and have no hate in me. But when I studied the bible it told me the truth about Mary and her family. The Lord’s prayer is on the rosary too but it’s outnumbered by the Hail Mary’s. Jesus is the only mediator named in the bible between us and Father God when we pray. Got a bible?

          • Martin Gran

            Rasied a baptist, read the bible and came Home to the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Your opinion of Catholics does show your hate. And your hate is based on ignorance.

          • Berean1st

            You seem unreasonable and unteachable so I will end this conversation now. But I will pray for you regarding your intolerance for truth and hatefulness. Goodbye.

          • Martin Gran

            As are you. But I will offer my next mass up for you as well as praying a rosary for you.

          • Berean1st

            Ok, thanks. But please don’t waste your breath praying to any dead saints. Only Father, Son and Holy Spirit please. 🙂

          • Martin Gran

            We do not pray to dead saint. Oh, but wait, you knew that already!

      • Martin Gran

        Well stated!

        • Peter Leh

          in addition, the argument that pagan symbols cannot be used to glorify god ignore the most personal and obvious pagan symbol of all….being justified.. presently sanctified… and one day will the glorified. : you and me.

          our rebellion to god are as pagan as they come. 🙂

      • Dave_L

        You can add Organs (rock groups), Choirs, Pews, Stained Glass, Architecture, infant Baptism (Evangelical infant dedication), and most anything not found in the original New Testament house Churches.

    • Phipps Mike

      ” She embraces the pope, even committing sacrilege by calling him “Holy
      Father” and accepting a pagan, idolatrous symbol. She is religious, but
      she is not being led by the Holy Spirit.” thank you for pointing this out…..she is a phoney through and through.

      • Martin Gran

        You and others of your group are the ones who are not willing to accept the true teaching of Christ’s Holy Roman Catholic Church because you are not willing to be lead by the Holy Spirit!

  • Peter Leh

    uh oh… Davis is in trouble with conservatives now. 🙂

  • Rose Pappas

    Kim is an innocent abroad. she has never really been saved long enough to study the history of the papacy. she has also been traumatised by everything and is going to receive motions of friendship from everybody who gives them She is a very sweet lady and needs to be gently taught about the evil that tries to infiltrate Christians lives. The pope was using her as a photo-op piece of propaganda to promote his own agenda. We need to keep praying for her strength. She has taken a lot of blows in these past days

    • April J

      If it was just a photo-op then tell me…where are the photos? I’m still not even sure this really happened. I’d actually love to see a photo.

      • Peter Leh

        it is from Davis’ Lawyer.

        we know we can trust him, correct?

        • April J

          Oh yeah, lawyers are SUPER trustworthy…. *rolls eyes*

          • Shirley temple dancer

            Let him without sin throw the first stone. April are you a sinner? Or are you one of those who think they are so pure they can bash others? Sounds like you are the latter.

      • Shirley temple dancer

        Why not ask her to show the rosary beads? Why are people so focused on what Kim has done wrong and not on their own sins?

        • April J

          maybe that’s what Kim Davis should focus on

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Thank you for that, Rose – beautifully spoken! I might add that the strong Catholics that I know – the ones who HAVE placed their trust in Jesus – are incensed that the Pope did this in secret. They are quite discouraged that the Pope seems to be all public in his radical liberation theology that those on the Left love, while secretly meeting with those who hold the conservative, Christian, view.

  • Y. V Hills

    Kim, I am happy the Pope took time to see.
    God bless you and your family. I hope to have the strength to stand as you have during persecution.

    • Dave_L

      Kim claims persecution as a result of her persecuting homosexuals. To some, it is good for her to persecute them but when the State corrects her, somehow she becomes the victim?

      We are never called to persecute sinners, but to preach the Gospel to them.
      We certainly should not become partakers in their sins, and many Christians simply change careers when they develop conflicts of faith.

  • Peter Leh

    “The embattled Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis, who identifies as an Apostolic Pentecostal”

    many of the pentecostals believe salvation comes at the time one speaks in tongues. This many explain the confusion of some that say she is a merely a new christan.

    These type of Pentecostals would not consider her past baptist membership as being “chrisitan”.

    • http://kkkk.net Hammer Harris

      no sir, you are incorrect, they believe that speaking in tongues is a witness to receiving the HOLY SPIRIT, in which they are already saved thru CHRIST, but are given the confirmation of this by the baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT. I was a minister for years in the Pentecostal church, but now believe this doctrine is a false one! But I am but a man, and this is my opinion.

      • Peter Leh

        Well the the ones i know are more conservative that yours. It was my understanding in no uncertain terms that I am not saved because i have not spoken in tongues. Since Davis has uncut hair and a dress it is more than reasonable to assume she is in this extreme sect of pentecostals…. but i know not for sure

        • Dave_L

          From what I know about this sect; they believe salvation is a result of repentance (works). The works begin with water baptism in the Name of Jesus which produces the New birth. The Catholics and Lutherans believe the same only apply it to infants. They call it Baptismal Regeneration. And next the person receives the Baptism in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of Speaking in tongues.

          Many believe, as I do, that the Baptism and the Charismatic gifts ended with the Apostles.

          Search out “cessationism” or “Cessation of the charismatic gifts” if interested.

          • Peter Leh

            thanks Dave. I believe the day a pentecost was an historic event.

            it seems the pentacostals and AoG attempt to recreate that historical event on a weekly basis. Even IF true Paul gives explicit detail into how the least of the gifts (tongues) are to be executed otherwise people will think you mad. Even in this they are not following the scriptures.

            but i digress. Many are saying Davis is a “young christian” therefore her 4 marriages should not be held against her. It is my understanding she has been a baptist for over twenty years. the only explanation i can find is if being a pentecostal she spoke in tongues for the first time fours years ago.

            but that argument only works if one believes baptist are not christians.

          • Martin Gran

            You protestants even attack other protestants! Strange.

          • Peter Leh

            lol. of course. our “denomination” is the best. 🙂

          • Martin Gran

            From God’s mouth to your ear!!

  • Josey

    Why is there no picture of this meeting? How can we even be sure this meeting took place?

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      It has been confirmed by both parties elsewhere. But, yes, Josey, conservative Catholics are outraged by the fact that the Pope is only public when he is espousing Marxist theologies.

  • http://kkkk.net Hammer Harris

    just went from hero to zero! she embraced GOD and stood for what was right , then she enbraced the devil, and has stood for him the pope. which you can see they are using this, to show that someone viewed as a strong Christian, is bowing to the great white pope, also it looks like she or Christians are maybe crazy. I was so proud , when she took such an awesome stand against being part of issuing the licenses for gay marriage , but now I can only pray for this woman.

  • April J

    Here it is everyone! The true test…how many of you will now turn on Kim Davis?

    PS. Putting “Pope Francis” in quotes like you do is just low and disrespectful. Regardless of how you feel about him, at least have the dignity to call him his rightful name.

    • Peter Leh

      yep he is the pope.

      that said even i would not call him “holy father”.

      that said and knowing my own kind….. Davis is in trouble.

  • Jan Neely

    Peter Leh —- the know it all and has an answer to every post ….showing good christian values. LOL

    • Phipps Mike

      you just cant handle that he’s confrontational. That’s something that’s needed in this venue at all times to weed out the BS.

      • Peter Leh

        🙂

        i am an equal opportunity balloon popper. 🙂

        • Phipps Mike

          yea, and the balloon is their egos.

  • Aliel The Heretic

    Kim Davis is barking up the wrong tree. Francis supports gay marriage and a “New World Order”.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Just want you to know: I LOVE your picture!

    • Phipps Mike

      there is no New world order. Paranoid conspiracy theories dont belong in religious threads.

  • JudeThree

    No
    true Biblical Christian would ever bow down to any man and plead for
    prayer. Hey Kim, There is ONE mediator between God and man, the man
    Christ Jesus. You shall have no other gods before me. This woman is an
    absolute theological mess and not a representation of Who my God is or a representation of true Biblical Christianity.
    She
    is worshiping the leader of a heretical religion, that believes their
    communion elements turn into the actual blood and flesh of Christ. This
    fool believes atheists can do good and get into heaven. Decide who you
    serve.

  • Phipps Mike

    “Davis advised that she plans on giving the rosaries to her parents, who are both Roman Catholic.” yea, she can take his advise to stay strong even though his religion is different than her but yet acknowledge that she KNOWS that by offering the rosaries to her parents. What a hypocrite.

  • Wayne McLaw

    the pope is the man of sin and thee antichrist he not a christian he is trying had to bring all religions into one world unity he believes in evolution i don’t care how nice he pretends to be my bible never lie he pretends he is christ he is a jesuit the jesuit are dangerous go back and look at history they were expel from cuba america spain and many countries for horrible crime

  • http://www.facebook.com/ministerderekboydwest Derek West

    My great Uncle Robert Burch always said that the Charismatic movement originated in the Roman Catholic Church, and her being obviously not a Traditional Pentecostal, who would not have even acknowledged Roman Catholicism of anything short of the Great Harlot, this does not surprise me. In the one world Religion, the Modern Charismatic Movement will merge Pentecostalism and Roman Catholicism into one Religion. It simply appears that as my Great Uncle always said, by the time it was done, the Pentecostal Denomination would be part of the Catholic Faith through Modern Charismaticism.

  • Looking Glass

    You have to pity the Pope having to do with loonies like Kim Davis.

  • LadyGreenEyes

    So, she met with him then she didn’t, according to the Vatican, and now she did? Which is it?

    As for her actions, she’s very confused, if she is claiming to be Christian, yet calling this man “holy father”. He is neither. Her right to believe what she wants, but that’s confused!

  • Dave

    THERE IS ONLY ONE HOLY FATHER…THE GOD OF HEAVEN