‘Church of Lucifer’ to Open in Texas

Church of Lucifer-compressedSPRING, Texas — The first “Church of Lucifer” is set to open later this month in a small town outside of Houston, Texas.

“Never in history has anything like this has happened before: an open to the public home for the Left Hand Path, a church dedicated to the mental freedom of all mankind, a home for all those who are not conformists to the common way of thought, and a temple to the higher self!” the website for the organization reads. “This is the first steps to a new age.”

The Church of Lucifer will have its first meeting in Springs, Texas on October 30.

Co-founder Jacob No, who goes by a fictitious name to protect his identity since he says that the group’s beliefs are misunderstood, told reporters that the Church of Lucifer is not Satanic.

“We are not devil worshipers in any form of the word,” he told the Houston Chronicle. “We’re not a scary people. We’re very nice people.”

However, some Luciferians consider themselves to be theistic and view Satan as a benevolent being and teacher. In No’s case, he said that as the word Lucifer means “morning star,” the group is a “gathering of people of like mind who seek the bearer of light or the light.”

The Church of Lucifer website acknowledges, however, that it is considered “within the scope of the occult,” and that one of its missions is “discovering who you are as your own goddess/god.”

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“We worship the Complete Self. We exalt in forbidden knowledge and the paths to power,” it reads. “Without the proverbial serpent in the tree, humanity would not be the incredible creature you see in the mirror.”

No says that the services are not your typical church services and do not involve any preaching.

“We do not have a preacher,” he told KPRC.com. “We do not have somebody saying, ‘This is the way it has to be, you have to live this way.'”

“We’re giving a platform for people to explore themselves with ultimate freedom,” No stated. “They will be able to look in the mirror and say, ‘I understand you better.'”

But some state that Luciferianism brings darkness and captivity rather than light and deification.

“Luciferians may see themselves as lovers of light and goodness, but they are embracing falsehood. Satan does not care if people believe in him or not; he can still lead them astray,” writes the site GotQuestions.org.

“He is a very powerful being and the enemy of our souls. The Bible describes him as ‘the devil [who] prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour” (1 Peter 5:8),” it continues. “Those who get involved with him will eventually regret it…”

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  • FoJC_Forever

    Lucifer was the morning star/star of the morning until he wanted to exalt his kingdom above God. His own pride lifted him up, and God cast him down and out of Heaven. Satan means accuser; it describes one of the things he does to those who will not accept his lies. The Devil describes his continuous deviant nature to harass and trouble those who reject his false light, as well as describing his station among the other devils/demons which travel throughout the earth trying to lure people away from The Light, The Life, The Way, Jesus (the) Christ.

    The created cannot exalt themselves above the Creator.

    Satan will offer Truth mixed with lies, so that it is no longer Truth, but a lure to those who have rejected God and His Truth, Light, Righteousness, Love, Faith, Hope, and Peace. Those who follow the Devil don’t have to claim to follow the Devil, because any path other than The Way, Jesus (the) Christ the Living Word of God, is a path leading to Death, Darkness, and Destruction.

    Follow Jesus, find Truth.

    • Cosmic Mastermind

      There is no Devil in The Bible. I know he’s very popular in Christianity, but nowhere in The Bible will you find mention of “The Devil”. Take the time to look up “Lucifer” and “Satan”, they are not who or what you think they are.

      The Luciferians don’t even have any connection to Satanism, but Christians conflate to the two words to mean the same. They don’t, and neither of them means “Devil”.

      • bowie1

        Some do associate it with a real person as in this quote: “However, some Luciferians consider themselves to be theistic and view Satan as a benevolent being and teacher. In No’s case, he said that as the word Lucifer means “morning star,” the group is a “gathering of people of like mind who seek the bearer of light or the light.”

        • Leslie

          Doesn’t really matter if they are ignorant to what they’re doing though does it? Satan worshipers worship Satan, Lucifer is the Great Deceiver. It’s interesting that Satanists and the Islamists worship the Mourning Star right? God called Satan the Morning Star. Luciferians no matter how they think it rolls out are walking a dangerous path with the god of earth. You do know he has supernatural powers and technology at his disposal, so they are acquiring knowledge from him. lol uh oh. So innocent until you find out it’s not, as many have. You do know that child/human sacrifice sites have been found around the USA right? Satanists have ritual sites, stone sacrificial altars, some rapper said he was invited to one, watched a couple of murder/sacrifices, freaked out, took off and did an interview about it. Didn’t show his identity though.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            It’s a side note, but I find it curious how many Christians believe in Satanists as being evil. I mean, yes there are of course a few nutcases out there, but generally speaking Satanists are free-thinkers who play dress-up and add some props for effect. It’s just theater, almost none of them believe in Satan.

            If you visited a Satanic ceremony, all you would see would be some play-acting followed by coffee & donuts. you’d probably feel disappointed.

          • Leslie

            I think that if you are play acting… what are you play acting? Why do Satanists say they are a religion that needs their own space next to Christian religious displays? Just goofing? You may be but your treading in deep water. He was called Lucifer when he was Gods son/angel, when God kicked him out he called him Satan, Devil, the Serpent. From what I’ve heard and seen in cave drawings they also told of the being that fell to Earth, he looks like a snake reptile being. How did those non Christian tribes in South America, never read a Bible, report seeing him fall from the sky and then make drawings of a serpent? Who ruled over them and needed human sacrifices? There’s too much evidence you haven’t researched. If you ever see a real demon you will freak and play acting could go seriously wrong. Come back and tell us when that happens. Now you know and if you do get jammed up “playing” you can still ask Jesus to help.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            Yeah it pretty much is goofing around as far as I can tell. It’s just an extension of the games people play – like how people will sometimes dim the lights, light some candles and play with an Ouija board on Halloween. When you’ve done it once and you find out that nothing happens, it loses it’s fear factor. Christians can be such scaredy-cats sometimes.

            The story of God casting Satan out of Heaven is without doubt the same non-Biblical story of the King of Babylon, a popular folklore story of the Ancient World. It was incorporated into The Bible and the original entirely Earthly story changed to become a Celestial battle.

            Serpents have always fascinated human beings, and the serpent was an important symbol in the Ancient Middle East and Mediterranean, the serpent has symbolized danger, sexuality, medicine and wisdom. I’m not surprised there are similar images in South America, every society has stories based on myths and legends about snakes.

            Personally I would dearly love to see a real demon, ANY proof of the paranormal would be a priceless gift even if it meant a terrifying encounter. If there be demons, you can also believe in angels. Sadly, I have seen neither.

          • Leslie

            I just saw this post. Actually it’s quite Biblical, there are many stories about Babylon, the Tower of Babel and Nimrod who was rebellious to God and trying to build a tower that would reach a portal to Heaven.

            Christians may be rightfully scaredy cats as you call us because we are experiencing things which you don’t. Never seen a demon, be very happy, once you have there would be no curiosity, there would be prayers. The sheer hated and rage of those things is like nothing on Earth. Why would a satanists experience it? You wouldn’t you are “all in” with demon boy. You’re touting his party line, he loves you, the “Bible is a lie” peeps. My God has saved me from medical disasters and there are hospital tests to prove it, doctors were confused to say the least. My God has audibly talked to me to direct me at a bad time. Does your God personally speak to you? It’s great. Try a Bible, really, you may change your mind if you read the whole thing through and then try to factually prove it’s a lie. I did. And it wasn’t.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            To point out the obvious if I may, if seeing a demon turned me into a Christian, that would be pretty much the opposite effect of what Satan is supposed to be going for.

            This is a little but off-track but did you ever see the movie “Communion”? That movie scared the cxxp out of me because long before I saw that movie, as a child I had had strange and vivid dreams about seeing “monsters” that looked – at least as I remember – almost exactly like the aliens depicted in the movie, it was uncanny and it shocked me. To this day I have never quite figured it out, and I think the experience changed me, but I do NOT believe it was real. They were not demons, no matter how weird or scary, it was just a series of strange semi-hallucinatory dreams. And Whitley Streiber is most definitely a fraud. 🙂 You might say I have seen “demons” and the experience in some ways was a positive one, it put me in touch with myself.

            I don’t know that miracles don’t happen, it’s possible, but to praise God for “saving” you from problems that HE caused is misplaced gratitude. Like “Oh.. uh, yeah thanks God for only breaking my left leg and not both of them”. Christians never seem to get that, they always a duality about how God gives us the good stuff but is somehow not responsible for the bad stuff. If there’s a God of any kind, Christianity and every other religion fails miserably to comprehend or describe that God.

            Of course I can prove the Bible is untrue, but proving it against the argument of “magic” is impossible. Anything that doesn’t make sense in The Bible, Christians can always fall back on “it works by magic”, and that’s what they frequently do. There are a hundred killer examples of errors and impossible situations in The Bible, but all a Christian has to do is claim that God can do anything. But as Christopher Hitchens once remarked, “that which is asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence”.

          • Leslie

            I know some Christian come up with weird things trying to understand but it’s not magic. God is not a genie to grant your shallow wishes but some think so. God is a real entity. I was tested before and after at the hospital where they wanted to do a sugary. Myself and another prayed to Jesus and it was gone on the sonograms on the net imaging, I was surprised as well. And the hospital techs spent 45 minutes trying to find it, it was weird to them with the before and after pictures.

            Satan rules the Earth, this is his deal, lies, chaos, bloodshed, torture, rape, pain, he likes that. If you ever had Gods love pour into your body you would see God love is pure not with the attached emotions humans add to any love they have for whatever. Free reign to screw your life or not is why the evil exists along with the Deciver getting you to rationalize that you deserve it, why not, no one is looking, who will it hurt attitudes.

            I have never watched Communion, I’ll take a look. A pleasure talking with you no matter if we’re on opposite sides of the issue, I enjoyed speaking with someone who thinks. Be careful, stay safe. Remember up to the last breath God still wants your soul.

      • Natalie Willis

        the name lucifer is only used once in the bible (isaiah 14) he is described as one who fell out of grace with God and was cast out…him and 1/3 of the angelic host….the description of him as satan lines up per Jesus Christ speaking of him, as being the same person as He saw him falling headlong…

        here are other biblical references of spiritual entities with the same characteristics via strong’s concordence with greek and hebrew references…. and how many times referenced….
        2x #7700 “shade” = devil
        2x #8163 “saweer” = he goat, satyr i.e. the devil

        35x #1228 “diablo” = satan
        12x #1139 “daimoizomai” = demon posessed
        58x #1140 “daimonion” = demonic being; a devil god
        5x #1142 “daimon” = demon

        114 times a spirit is mentioned, not of God, but rather in contradiction to God i.e. devil, satan, demons all equal to “lucifer the fallen one

        three witnesses, both prophets isaiah and ezekiel spoke about him (references isaiah 14 and ezekiel 28) and Jesus actually saw him fall from heaven (luke 10:18)

        so, where did you get the term luciferian? its definitely all connected and intertwined with devil and satan..and what you have said is one of the most ignorant claims i have heard all week…

        • Lisa

          Funny that he argues with everyone else in the thread, but when you provide a complete and full reply of the Truth, he ignores it. He claims to know what Christians say and what the Bible says, but when he’s presented with what the Bible actually says, he has no reply. If he truly was seeking the Truth, he would take what you wrote very seriously.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            It’s a list of references to names associated with The Devil, but if you go through them one by one, you can find scholarly explanations as to where they come from, and in each case there are more earthly explanations. There have always been warmongers, and they have always been called demons or monsters or something similar by their enemies.

            For each reference to a “Devil” you will find a hated ruler or warlord who the author’s people were fighting against existed at the same time. It fits.

            I can’t really avoid arguing with people who claim so much of The Bible to be literally true, I’m quite happy to listen to the other side of the argument but there usually isn’t one. I’m looking for facts and evidence while you are content with uncritical belief.

      • Leslie

        Of course they are and God and Jesus makes it plain and simple but Satan is called The Great Deceiver which is what you are espousing right here. So deceiver you are doing a very poor job. Satan worship is Satan worship no matter what they want you to believe that it is. So while you try to make a 5000 year old text mean other than it does you are truly one of the Deceivers peeps. You are going to get hurt. Actually read a Bible, the KJV.

        Islamists worship the Mourning Star and unfortunately deception again when we call him the Morning Star, Lucifer who fell from Heaven used to be Gods Morning Star.

        • Cosmic Mastermind

          Satan is called the “Great Deceiver” by the Christian church, but just because the Church says it is so does not make it so, the Church is not divine or immune to corruption or bias. As I said, there is no Devil in The Bible, and where the term Satan appears it simply means “one who opposes”, the word satan was not synonymous with evil in The Bible.

          Generally speaking, Luciferians don’t worship anyone.

          • Leslie

            Actually he is called that by God. And Jesus spent some time in the desert with him. You can read that exchange to figure out his methods. You think you don’t worship anyone, nice deception right? So the Luciferian/Satanists that do human sacrifices are just another denomination? Guess you’ll have to clue Lucifer in on your use of semantics, (he’s probably loving that deception)we use your name, have ceremonies using your name but we don’t worship you. You may believe that but Satan does not. They have recently discovered in an archeology dig, dated to 150BC, 12 copies of Isaiah just like it is written today. The secularist arguments are fading away as not one word has changed from then to now.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            12 copies? I’ve never heard of that. It would be pretty impressive if someone has found 12 copies dated to 150BC, the only one I can find in a Google search is the “Great Isaiah Scroll” which is dated slightly later at 125BC, and it differs from the story of Isaiah found in modern Bibles.

            To say that not one word of The Bible has changed.. wow, that always gets me. It’s crazy that even today most Christians don’t understand that The Bible HAS changed, in fact it probably bears only a passing resemblance to the original texts from which it was created. We know it has changed because we have physical proof of how ancient texts such as The Dead Sea Scrolls do not match the modern Bible and we know for a fact that scribes frequently – even habitually – made errors making copies of texts. Your Bible is not the same book as the earliest Bibles, and those Bibles were different from the original source texts.

            Luciferians are not Satanists, they can be Satanists, that much is true, but they can also be Christians; Luciferianism is more a philosophical movement than a religious belief so it’s not tied to any particular dogma.

            I have to say a word about Satanists; yes there are cases of Satanic ritual murders, but these are basically “murder games” and the only time the murderers have any religious conviction in Satan is when they are insane. You’ll find much the same kind of ritualized murders in almost any religion across the less developed parts of the World where superstition is still rife – including Christian communities. If you look at Satanists in America, for the most part they are just play-actors and they have no ill-intent, you’d be hard-pressed to find a Satanist who actually believes in Satan.

          • Leslie

            I do study the Greek, Hebrew, as well as the KJV. The KJV is just about the same it’s translations are not always exact because the culture of Judaism wasn’t that familiar to King James since there was no one speaking Hebrew at that time, not like now. I think the Hebrew is a bit kinder and gentler in its meanings. I have a Messianic Bible which is really good.

            Christians do not have human sacrifices ever. period. But how Luciferian of you to say so. lol.

            Anyway that Luciferian/Satanist religion is a bad idea, you should rethink the play acting, like Ouji boards, bad juju, even if you think it’s harmless.

            Archeology Today and Israel News outlets have been reporting finds and new digs that correlate to what The Bible says in it, a lot lately. That’s where I read about the Isaiah! They were other Old Testament books, you know the Israelis tel, everyone when they find evidence it’s their land so they always share, that was a few months ago. They found King David coins a few weeks ago and have been unearthing many new dig sites, check their news for info.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            I think it’s great that you’re putting so much effort into studying The Bible, but I don’t see any way you can seriously interpret the Bible to be gentler in it’s meaning to the point where it doesn’t command or endorse slavery, rape and murder, because it DOES.

            I will allow that The Bible may be considered a “descriptive” text (as opposed to The Koran which is a “prescriptive” text) but if you take any part of The Bible as being a divine instruction manual for morality, you have to take the whole thing as the command of God. Either everything in The Bible is open to refutation or nothing is, you can’t cherry pick about which passages God was serious about and which ones should be ignored.

            Christians DO commit human sacrifice, and they have done so since the earliest days of the Church. They don’t call it sacrifice, but how many people have been hanged or burned at the stake by the Church? Medieval sailors would throw people overboard for being “Jonahs”, mentally ill people were put to death for being in league with the Devil, even today, people are being executed to appease God. Christianity may not have rituals of tying young virgins to altars and stabbing them through the heart, but it does kill many innocent people in the name of superstition.

          • Leslie

            I hoped to stay in the present since the world at large felt that these practices were normal for that time when people were far more brutal and ignorant of where disease comes from or why weather does what it does. I think it’s disingenuous to pull out things thousands of years ago being we were talking about your present day Satanic rituals, where these things happen today when you do know better.

            Where there is slaughter in the Old Testament it was to kill the 30 foot tall giants who were eating humans after they ran out of all other “food.” Of course there are giants skeletons found all over the Earth so we know they are real. Evolution gone awry…Dawkins just ignores that tidbit.

            Human sacrifice…no. Show me where it says that and also remember being Christians we follow the New Testament, the Old Testament was fulfilled. (Of course Jews didn’t do human sacrifice either) So where did Jesus allow human sacrifice? And what human sacrifice happened by any Christian? We pray and love our enemies, New Testament. You don’t really know centuries ago if they were Christians or they were just superstitious pagans. Pagans did that all the time throwing people into mountain shafts or blugeoning them and the they’re left to die on mountain tops of their Gods. In places where they saw these entities disappear, there’s still some of these shafts used for shamanic rituals today. Islam throws Christians over board present day perhaps you meant those children of Satan?

            I don’t deal in human interpretation which was wrong in thinking the Jews needed to be eradicated as well as a myriad of other issues mostly made up by the power hungry Catholic Church. But you could also equate biblical ignorance with medical ignorance, geographical ignorance and just in general ignorance. How about now? Got a Christian 2015 human sacrifice story?

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            Skeletons of giant humans? No. Sorry, there are no giant skeletons, that would be a monumental discovery if there were.

            Apart from that one story (you know the one), no there is no endorsement of human sacrifice in The Bible thank goodness, but that’s not the point; regardless of what The Bible actually says and what it commands, some Christians kill innocent people because they believe to do so is in accordance with Biblical teaching.

            Oh, thinking about it, I forgot technically speaking the crucifixion also counts as human sacrifice. But anyway..

            In almost any religion (Jainism being the only exception I can think of) there is a risk of superstition and cult-thinking consuming a community until they begin to act in extreme ways that would otherwise be unconscionable. Could that happen in Luciferianism? Yes, I think it’s possible, and of course it could also happen in Satanism if there was a group of people who took it too seriously. But generally speaking, Luciferians aren’t religious, and Satanists do their thing in the spirit of satire.

            Paganism never really existed, the word “pagan” was invented by Christians to describe people who were not Christians. Most pagans were members of major religions. I don’t know of any evidence that in the early days of Christianity that Christians killed less innocent people than non-Christians did but that’s something I might have to look into, it might be true or it might not, I don’t know. I should think they were at least far less bloodthirsty than the Roman Empire though.

            I’m not sure, I could be wrong here, but I recall reading about how leaving bodies up in the mountains in some regions was a normal way to dispose of dead bodies (as opposed to live victims) because carrion birds would eat the dead body and leave nothing but bones. Gross, but efficient.

            Certainly Islam is a religion of violence, I don’t disagree with you there, and yes they kill an awful of innocent people. But Christianity is not 100% pure, there are killings every day in Christian communities in Africa, and even in the western world, every now and again you’ll hear of a person being left to die of illness or injury in the name of Biblical scripture – not quite “human sacrifice” but the effect is much the same.

          • Leslie

            But crucifixion was a ancient Roman thing when they worshiped Gods like Zeus etc. Yet still no Christian sacrifice of humans at all. They wouldn’t be Christians. Only in defense of the weak or in self defense is it allowable. I’ve heard of Christians being murdered in Africa but by Islamists.

            You need to delve into archaeology, they studied the sacrifices done on mountain tops and the sacrifices also in the deep cavern tunnels and they have blunt force wounds most times, and are wrapped in ceremonial garments. Secular scientists have reported n many of these events, it’s been in all of the popular sites NG, Archaeology Today, etc. much biblical ally corresponding info.

            Finally there are most definitely giant skeletons all over the Earth. There are hieroglyphics. Spanish conquistadors wrote about the huge people inSouth America where he put his 41 inch rapier through an unearthed skull and it went through the eye socket and hit the back . 41 inches from fromt to back and there are crap loads of pictures everywhere from the early 1900s before the scrubbing began especially the Middle East. Last year LA Marzullis went to Peru and tested a Giants skull he has fascinating pictures in his books. see how in the dark they are keeping everyone, we wouldn’t want the Bible to be true and we certainly wouldn’t want evolutionists to be proven wrong. If you feel it would be monumental check the books. I have a friend working in the back room of the Smithsonian, you should see what’s back there. Monumental indeed.

          • Kelli Lines

            Most Christians will argue that the New Testament replaces all the rules in the Old Testament. Jesus became the Pascal sacrifice for our sins. None of that is necessary anymore.

            Still people do kill (and do many other ungodly things) in the name of God, I don’t know where the justification of that comes from.

          • Kelli Lines

            “What I would personally suggest is to simply stop worrying about it. It does not matter one way or another. What I do is work on myself. If there happens to be some divine being, then I am sure that the fact that I learned all that I could and applied it towards being a good person and helping those who needed it would be good enough. If not then I lived a rewarding life either way and left my mark on the world. It is a win no matter how you look it.”

            Sounds a lot like Pascal’s Gambit to me.

            The problem with that philosophy is that it ignores Faith. Faith is believing without proof and is required for most religions including Christianity.

            It appears lukewarm without conviction to try and appease both sides of the argument of whether there is a God or not.
            If you are unsure and seeking, then you are not truly seeking the truth if you exclude faith as a possibility. Your journey will be limited to what can only be proven or seen. Even the things that are “proven” are subject to limitations. Any philosophy course would examine the fallacy of relying on human knowledge.
            Based on what I have read so far about Luciferianism, it appears a follower could not end up a Christian even though it is said that is a possibility. It is impossible because faith is not valued in Luciferianism. Faith is required for Christianity. If I am wrong about that please correct me.

      • Dave_L

        “Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.” (Matthew 4:1)

        “Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,” (Matthew 4:5)

        “Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.” (Matthew 4:11)

        “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” (Matthew 25:41)

        “Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.” (Luke 8:12)

        “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” (John 8:44)

        “How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.” (Acts 10:38)

        “And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?” (Acts 13:10)

        “And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.” (2 Timothy 2:26)

        “He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” (1 John 3:8)

        “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” (Revelation 12:9)

        “And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.” (Revelation 20:10)

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        • Cosmic Mastermind

          That was very thorough, so I’ve got to give you a point for that! But “devil” and “satan” are interchangeable words – “devil” being an English word derived from Satan. You will find the word “devil” in The Bible used as a name for gossips and also for Judas.

          The story of Jesus being led into the wilderness makes more sense if you take “devil” to mean that Jesus was simply conversing with a group of ordinary people who were arguing against Judaic law. Now whether or not Jesus then actually met Satan (with a capital S) when he got to wherever it was in the wilderness he was visiting is open to interpretation, but as a skeptic I would say no, he just talked to some regular people who had rebellious ideas.

          Also, it’s important to be aware that whenever you see the word “angel”, angel simply mean “messenger”, it does not always mean a messenger sent by God.

          • Dave_L

            “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” (Revelation 12:9)

            In this verse John uses Satan, Devil, Old Serpent interchangeably.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            That does sound quite convincing, but (there’s always a but) those two words “dragon” and “serpent” are very familiar to historians of near-Middle-Eastern archaeology and texts. “Dragon” is a metaphor and the “serpent” is a recurring theme in ancient texts; I’d have to read a historical explanation of that passage but I think the serpent referred to is a woman.

            You find lots of very misleading and confusing words and phrases and slang terms even in Medieval texts, and things get much harder when attempting to decode the dead languages. Dragon and serpent you can discount, which leaves Devil/Satan (the opposer), angels (messengers) and the reference to a deceiver.

            The passage sounds to me (I don’t know) like a description of a political or military coup.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            Deluded. Another person caught in the web of lies that the devil creates. Jesus did not “talk to regular people”. He talked to one beast, the devil. You are gambling with your eternal soul. If you want to spend your eternity in hell with the devil, No capital letter, keep up the junk you are believing in. God bless you

          • Leslie

            And I have removed a point from you for saying there’s only one mention of the Devil, Lucifer, serpent, etc. but you are in the religion of d deception, even if you don’t think so, good work. The only better work would be to go all Islam, they are really committed to their play acting.

        • Leslie

          Yep kind of screams there’s more than one mention of demon boy like Cosmic says. Cosmic needs to read a KJV himself not get third person info.

      • Cliff

        There’s no less than 55 verses referencing devil in the KJB. Contextually it’s meaning refers sometimes to “a” devil and others to “The” devil. But it’s there just plenty.

        • Cosmic Mastermind

          That’s a bit of an English-ism; the word devil derives from the word satan, and at no point in The Bible do we ever get a satisfying “THIS is The Devil” moment; we get “devils” with a small d, and we get some strange encounters with various “satans” but the big red guy doesn’t come along until well after the establishment of the Church.

          There are many evil spirits in The Bible and many “Great Enemies”, but it’s often hard to figure out who the authors are talking about when the The Bible is a collection of stories, many of which have no connection to each other except through ancient folklore.

          I don’t believe in Jesus or The Devil so I would be rather excited to find the Christian Devil in The Bible; I would find that quite surprising and interesting, but he’s just not in there as far as I know.

          I will concede that there are many stories that were excluded from The Bible and it’s quite possible that a story (perhaps in a lost Gnostic text) specifically dealing with The Devil with a capital D does exist, but I haven’t heard of any such story.

          • Cliff

            For what feasable reason would you be excited to find him in there if you don’t believe in any of it.

            The (D)evil needn’t be capitalized. It’s context that insinuates whom is discussed.

            This is pretty clear, cut and dried; not only is it a reference to THE devil, but it also lays the title solely upon one doorstep contextually:

            “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels” ~ Matthew 25:41

            Are you excited? 🙂

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            Yes, context is important, but when they talk about “The Devil” in The Bible from what I’ve read from historical explanations, they mean “this particular devil” referring to a person or persons, such as the ruler of a rival tribe, but not our modern supernatural red Devil.

            If The Devil were so important, he should have a whole section dedicated to him, and written in such a way as even a small child would understand. Pictures would help. We have pictures and simple descriptions NOW, but not THEN. I can only conclude that the Church invented the Devil at a much later date.

            The Devil is a very powerful image, but without the modern Church, with only The Bible for reference, we would not have a Devil.

          • Cliff

            I think ANYBODY could agree that “the devil” in the Bible in no way refers to the ruler of some rival tribe. This is just silly.

            There are no pictures of God, nor any of Christ, in the Bible. What would warrant pictures of Satan? Any child can understand the concept of any of three if they can understand one. Besides…

            “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: ” God’s second commandment.

            Christians should not have paintings of Christ in their homes. God wants his word worshipped and revered, not a statue or a painting hanging on a wall.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            Pictures of Jesus would be good too. Christians love those pictures, so an actual real-life portrait would be – if you’ll pardon the pun – the holy grail. Wouldn’t you like to see a picture of what Jesus really looked like?

            Graven images includes maps and photos of your family. Stupid rule. You can’t even draw a bunny rabbit.

            “Devil” could apply to any great enemy; Napoleon or Hitler for example. And back in the ancient World, populations were much smaller, so even a tribal warlord was a big deal.

          • Cliff

            I think the concern behind that commandment is this: youtube, watch vid#. 7YiEo70xqWc
            We are taking the Bible here. This isn’t some local warlord being discussed. Why can’t you admit that?

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            “Thou shalt not make unto thee ANY graven image, or ANY likeness of ANY
            thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that
            is in the water under the earth.” That sounds very clear to me.

            I can’t say for certain that they weren’t talking about the supernatural lord of the underworld, but I bet if I did some reading-up on the relevant passages I’d find scholarly explanations of where those stories most likely originate from, because many stories in the Old Testament are to be found in extra-Biblical sources with additional detail revealing more specifically what and who was being described. I’m not 100% certain, but I am about 90% sure.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            Wrong! the big red guy, the devil with two horns and a tail, comes along in the Garden of Eden when he tempted Eve to eat of the apple. If you don’t believe in either God or satan, why do you defend the devil so vigorously?Me thinks you protest too much.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            That wasn’t Satan, that was the serpent, who in the same story as it is told outside of The Bible, is a woman. And the serpent doesn’t really “tempt” Eve, the serpent simply tells her the truth.

      • FoJC_Forever

        Talking to you would be like arguing with a small child who thinks walking in front of a moving bus won’t hurt him.

        You are lost in Darkness. In fact, you don’t believe in anything substantial, you just chose a religion that attacks Christianity.

        • Cosmic Mastermind

          I haven’t chosen any religion and I am quite open to listening to reason. If you show me good reason to believe that Christianity is true – and by true I mean factual and not just something you force yourself to believe – I will seriously consider becoming a Christian.

          • FoJC_Forever

            If you wanted to know the Truth, your would seek Jesus (the) Christ and find the Truth.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            Can you factually prove that Satanism is true? and by that I mean factual and not just something you force yourself to believe. I will not endorse the last statement you made because I will never commit myself to the devil. He is the great deceiver, a liar and so many are falling into his trap. There will be many deranged souls in hell with their leader.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            I didn’t suggest Satanism was real at all. In fact, most Satanists would say the same thing, they don’t believe it either.

      • Robert Tevault

        You’re lying, which is typical of a Satanic apologist. Everything you’re saying, which is cliche’, Satanist/Freemason misdirection, is an intentional lie.

        • Cosmic Mastermind

          TBH I find Satan is morally a lot easier to apologize for than God or even Jesus.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            Of course he is. You have been deceived by him. He has led you into his web of lies and like a sheep to the slaughter, you have followed. I pray to the only God, and Our Lord Jesus Christ, to bring you out of your fog before it too late. God bless you.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            What lies? So far, all the confusion and mental gymnastics I’ve found seem to be contained in The Bible.

          • Leslie

            Why apologize for any of them? They what they are and you wouldn’t know about any of them without the Bible. Trust me Satan knows the Bible as well as God, he knows the rules, he just one degree off the truth so it looks like truth but it’s deception to get you to abandon God and it’s working well. You don’t even believe your god, Satan, exists but you spend time doing something or other in his name. Nice!

        • freemason 89

          How can you speak of freemasons being compared to Satanist? Are you a freemason do you belong to the order? If not you have no reason to drag the freemasons further into the dirt along with everyone else who has ever slandered them.

          • Robert Tevault

            Freemasons, it seem, rarely know about the Lucifer cult they belong to. I know that Pike mentions several times that misdirection is common in the lower degrees.

            It took me about one week of reading Wilmshurst, Hall, Pike, Mackey and the Royal Masonic Cyclopedia to fully realize that Freemasonry brainwashed its initiates into abandoning their own moral barometer for blind allegiance to unseen and unknown masters. In the highest degrees the old Satanic lie is revealed: Lucifer is man’s friend, the source of gnostic freedom, man can indeed become godlike, blah, blah, blah. Oh yeah, this too: All revealed religion is corrupt, tyrannical, and keeps men from the TRUE LIGHT OF LUCIFAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! Frickin’ bullcrapola. Obviously Masons aren’t the most literate bunch. I know some Freemasons. They’re usually brought in through flattery and vanity; they’re also the most arrogant men, the most treacherous, secretive, vengeful and so on. All the while the outer facade is one of humility, moral rectitude and so on. Freemasonry is a collective wolf in sheep’s clothing.

            Freemasonry is a paramilitary infiltration/subversion cult, dedicated to bringing in world government and anti-christ rule. They use every defeated heresy to redefine Jesus’ true divinity and are committed to defeating the most powerful Christian institution: The Catholic Church. Damn Lucifer and damn Freemasonry for all their collective betrayals. They are the most formidable enemies of Christendom and Western civilization, and their symbolism is all over their filthy, counterfeit currency, along with their acts of terrorism which are used to traumatize people into accepting even more tyranny and the lie of false, institutional security.

      • Elizabeth Klym

        The bible does say the devil but he will be burned up at the end of time. Read the bible. The devil destroys and nothing would please him more than to destroy what God has created. The devil cannot create anything.!

      • sandra-paquette-

        Dream on Silvery Moon

      • Chrissy Vee

        1 Peter 5:8 – Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

        James 4:7 – Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

        Ephesians 6:11-12 – Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

        Revelation 20:10 – And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

        John 8:44 – Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

        Revelation 12:9 – And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

        Matthew 25:41 – Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

        Hebrews 2:14 – Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

        Isaiah 14:12 – How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

  • afchief

    Is 0bama the Grand Puba!


      You could be right that was my first thought, he opened the door to this.

  • Nidalap

    So, those who worship Satan go about spouting just the kind of messages he’s been selling Mankind for millennia. Meh, makes sense…

    • Cosmic Mastermind

      “Dear Jesus, please don’t die on the cross, it’ll really, really hurt and I’m telling you dude, people are going to get some crazy ideas about this and probably end up going to war arguing about who is the holiest. Your friend, Satan.”

      • Jackie Gallegos

        You should change your name to “Cosmic Idiot”. That would explain all your ridiculous claims and writings. You sound like a fool.

        • Cosmic Mastermind

          I’m just trying to get across the point that it is Christianity that vilifies Satan, not The Bible.

  • BarkingDawg

    So when is Chistian News Network going to run a story about the New York Fundie church that beat the kid to death.

    • Cliff

      That’s no Christian church. Get real. It’s a perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Just like those lost jackasses of the “God hates fags” church.

      • Secular Liberation

        You’re running out of churches to exalt, my friend.

        • John_33

          The list of righteous believers (and as a result, churches) has always, sadly, been small, but that’s what Jesus said it would be like. Our job is not to exalt churches, but to exalt God.

        • Cliff

          Really? Sounds to me like you just gained one.

      • BarkingDawg

        They claim to be Christians. They read the bible. They follow its strictures. Why should they not be considered true Christians?

        • Cliff

          Because they DON’T follow it’s strictures. If they did you wouldn’t be hearing stories like that.

        • Cliff

          I can claim I’m a Martian but it doesn’t make it so.

      • flackmaster00

        many of the christians on this board sure seem to hate gays, what makes the ones who publicly display their belief not christian?

        • Cliff

          Way to argue. Does that make it Christian? Public or not, hating gays is not Christian. It’s not Christian to hate anybody, even your accuser. Hate the sin, not the sinner. And I was referencing the “Westboro Baptist Church”, that congregation comprised of a big ol’ inbred bunch of confused backwoods hillbillies who have no idea what it means to be Christian. You know who I mean. If you don’t then look them up.

  • Robert Tevault

    Every Lucifer lover, Satanist, Freemason, witch and pagan has no qualms with lying. Their claims of moral decency and coexistence are deceptions. They are, as a necessity, all predatory and involved in coordinated infiltration/subversion efforts. They are the hands working ceaselessly to destroy Christendom globally, and usher in their anti-Christian world government.

    • SammieSnow

      The fact is, Satan, Lucifer, Devil or whatever you may call him, works for God. His powers were given to him by God and can be taken anytime. God is supreme and has everything you can imagine under his control. If you say Satan vs God, you blaspheme. Religion only set limits to God’s Power. No human mind and imagination can fathom the extent of God’s Supremacy.

      • Cosmic Mastermind

        I agree that there is at least one story in The Bible that can be interpreted as Satan being a servant of God, but I find it difficult to reconcile an all-powerful God with a God who loses control of one-third of all his (presumably angelic) servants.

      • Robert Tevault

        What an imagination you have. I mean, an athiest will call every non-athiest irrational, imaginative and such. An anti-Christian will simply invert the truth. But Where exactly your brand of confusion lies I have no idea. As Jesus said, there’s no good left in him.

        It’s true that no human mind and imagination can fathom the extent of God’s Supremacy, but calling Satan/Lucifer/the Devil the enemy of heaven and mankind is no blasphemy. God created sentient beings with free will. He may know who, when, what and how, he can probably affect any outcome, but none of this precludes free agency.

    • Cosmic Mastermind

      That’s some random connections you are inventing in your head. I’m sure a lot of pagans have never even met a witch or a Freemason. The test of moral decency is whether a person IS moral and decent, not what supernatural force they do or don’t believe in.

      And this anti-Christian World Government you mention, America’s Government is secular, yet it gives you complete freedom of religion. The only thing it denies you is the power to deny the same freedom to people of other religions. Is that so bad?

  • Patricia Spoon

    I rebuke this church in the Name of Jesus Christ , theses people don’t know the magnitude of what they are doing, this will bring havoc to people and earth ,All inferno is lucifer , cast him out back to the fiery pit of hell external inferno,all who follow his name are cast too ,in to the pit of never ending flames, never ever never ever to see light , or that of which is in heaven!!

    • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

      I too rebuke this satanic church in the Name of Jesus Christ.

    • Cosmic Mastermind

      You do know Jesus created Hell, not Lucifer? Just saying, it’s God and Jesus who bring on the torture.

      • Jackie Gallegos

        Yes. He created hell so that Lucifer (no capital intended, my computer does that on it’s own) and his followers would have their own “heaven” to go to, A burning place to satisfy their ignorance of following the demon and his teachings. I suspect that is where you want to go; whether you believe or not doesn’t make it non-existent. God help you

        • Cosmic Mastermind

          I don’t think it says that in The Bible, I don’t think The Bible says anything much about Hell in the meaning that we use the word today.

      • Reason2012

        It’s satan that brought on death at all.

  • Kakojanehi

    This is a liberal’s tool. To use deceptive loose terms that can be interpreted with the winds of change. They want to convince the ignorant, blind, arrogant they have a place in the world and that they need not have good morals, understanding or be tolerant and they are the chosen ones who pass judgement on those who seek a moral high ground. i find it appalling these leftist lunatics are trying to meld Lucifer as a kind, eloquent and forgiving master who those who seek him find some sort of enlightenment.. It’s ridiculous at best and just shows you the moral decline leftist ideology has enthroned in our once strong and ethical beliefs.. What’s up is down, left is right (correct) and backwards is forward.. Perversion is normal and if you’re straight white human, you must berate yourself to cleanse you of your sins for having such a skin pigmentation. This is the hope and change they wanted.. Now our children are left to pick up the pieces or live a life of immoral complacency or have the fortitude to accept all that the left says… is…

  • FoJC_Forever

    Satan doesn’t often use these types of groups for any substantial push of his desire to deceive mankind. These are primarily a work of sinful mankind, not Lucifer himself. They are connected via Sin, but aren’t the tools of his primary agendas in the earth. Lucifer’s main thrust is to appear an “angel of light” – an enlightened, empowering spirit – to deceive people through false religious ministers who pretend to be Christian.

    Follow Jesus, find Truth.

  • acontraryview

    Isn’t it great that we live in a country were citizens are free to follow the religious beliefs of their choice?

  • Elizabeth Klym

    All the people that follow Satan, he will lead everyone them to their death.

  • Kingdom Ambassador

    QUESTION: Could this have ever occurred in 17th-century America whose governments of, by, and for God were established upon Yahweh’s unchanging moral law, beginning with the First Commandment?
    ANSWER: Of course, not!

    This is tolerated today thanks to the late 18th-century founders who replaced the First Commandment (found intact in some of the 17th-century Colonial Constitutions) with the First Amendment’s First Commandment-violating Free Exercise Clause.

    Google online Chapter 11 “Amendment 1: Government-Sanctioned Polytheism” of “Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective.”

    Then find out how much you REALLY know about the Constitution as compared to the Bible. Take our 10-question Constitution Survey in the right-hand sidebar and receive a complimentary copy of a book that EXAMINES the Constitution by the Bible.

  • Ax2root

    Here comes the lucifer lie.


    Holy Spirit filled Christians could attend this meeting and PRAY QUIETLY IN THEIR HEAVENLY LANGUAGE OF TONGUES……all these adherents need to be delivered from the power of darkness and translated into the kingdom of Gods dear Son Jesus The Christ.

    Colossians 1:13
    Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

    Lucifer LOST the right to his name…now he is called the devil, satan


    Isaiah 14:12.
    How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    -Isaiah 14:13.
    For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

    Isaiah 14:14.

    I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

    Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

    Revelation 2:28
    And I will give him the morning star.

  • Lisa

    All of the pathetic arguments against the majority of the comments made me think of this verse:

    Romans 1:20-32 King James Version (KJV)
    20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    We cannot argue with a fool who thinks he is wise. He doesn’t want to change his mind, his mind is set. He wants us to do all the work for him to “prove it”. Not my job to prove it to anyone. Honestly, I could care less (I know that God does and that I should, but I’m not perfect and never have claimed to be). Jesus himself said that He could do miracles right in front of him and he still wouldn’t believe.

    John 10:24-26 New International Version (NIV) “24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
    25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.”

    John 12:36-38 New International Version (NIV) 36 Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.” When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them. 37 Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet: “Lord, who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”

    We are coming into the Time when even those who think they are Christians will be fooled too. These are the end times, no doubt. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”

    Faith is trusting without proof, believing despite your “educated mind” and then, and only then will God reveal Himself to you. He’s God, He makes the rules. Not you. If you want to test Him and see, ask him to show Himself to you and He will. If you think it silly or nonsense, what do you have to lose? But you have to be honest enough to really truly seek and ask. If you do that I can love you like a Brother. If not, I can’t help you and I can’t twist your arm, beg you, plead with you or convince you in any way… nor do I have the patience to do that (again… totally fallible human). Saying that, doesn’t it just make you really wonder why all of these people are basically begging you, trying to convince you and pleading with you? Why? What do they have to gain in doing so? Absolutely nothing. This HAS to make you wonder why they are all so passionate and why they all believe so strongly, doesn’t it?

  • Original Cecil Bartley

    Cosmic mastermind i must say ur very educated but u have to understand that we are all still learning and we are slowly unraveling the truth..also i will say we are here to educate each other by a continuous dialog not to bash anyone and their religion bcas we ourselves are either taught or exposed to something that someone else tells us..we weren’t actually there to witness what is written..so sometimes we have go back and research our research. now after following this post i have to interject. u made a comment about no such things as giant human bones being found buried all over the world. well there are such things being found and not bcas its not breaking news does not mean its not true..if u do ur research u will see who runs the media and they only let the stuff they want the people to hear published..research will tell u that after the great galactic warfare that took place in the heavens..God was victorious against the angels and cast them down to earth where they rome for years before it was even adam and eve before it was even the sumerians and the maccabeans..the fallen angles saw the women of men as being beautiful and they laid with them..this is where their off springs known as nephillim walked the earth..henceforth the story of david and goliath..goliath was nephilim..u also stated that the word devil was not mentioned in the bible..but the name beast and dragon and great deceiver are all in mention to the one who is prometheous the light bearer and the giver of light..he was the one who was blamed for giving fire to mankind and was cast down in a bottomless pit bcas of it..next thing is the way they lied to us telling us that adam and eve were the first people on earth..not true..they were the first humans but they were other people here known as mankind a kind of a man..HU meaning black henceforth human meaning blackman..everything that we were taught as kids are all lies..when they tell the story of the devil coming to eve and tempting her to pick of the tree of life was actually a sexually activity that took place leading to eve going back to adam having sex with him also..now they kno that they are naked..when God came down they made clothes from twig trees and covered themselves..God cast them out off the garden of eden in the world..by this time eve was pregnant with her first child..the son of the devil..and his name was cain..her second son was able the son of adam and then she had another son for adam named seth..everything that able did florished but everything cain did fail..so able killed cain out of jealousy..he was cast off from the home of adam and eve and went to be where the fallen angels were..this is where he started his own line and descendants called the jews..the jews who are the true line of cain the son of the devil..the same people who have enslaved the world to this day..they always tell u that hitler was killing the jews but they never told u the reason why he was killing them..that part of the story was hidden from humans and mankind..also let me go a little further to say that the bible is the greatest proof of extraterestial life known to man and if u read between the lines u will see for urself..example1 the angel gabriel came from heaven and told mary that she would bare a son and his name shall be Yehoshuah..but what they didnt tell u is that the angel gabriel artificially inseminated mary with the DNA of the almighty God..something that we could do today..example 2..the day when Yehoshuah was being born they was a very bright light in the sky..they said they were 3 wise men that saw this bright light and followed it to where the baby was..what they failed to tell u is that this was an extraterestial vehicle that lead them to their destination..but im sure u knew that bcas no star moves they all stay in place..and the story goes on and on..if u want more knowledge i could give u..in the mean time go research ur reseach