Obama Asks Novelist About ‘Suspicious’ Christians with ‘Us Versus Them’ Mentality

ObamaDES MOINES, Iowa — Following release of interview footage with Barack Obama and Pulitzer Prize-winning novelist Marilynne Robinson, some are expressing concern about Obama’s remarks regarding those of the Christian faith.

“Tell me a little bit about how your interest in Christianity converges with your concerns about democracy,” Obama asked Robinson, being the interviewer.

“Well, I believe that people are images of God. There’s no alternative that is theologically respectable to treating people in terms of that understanding,” the novelist replied. “It seems to me as if democracy is the logical, the inevitable consequence of this kind of religious humanism at its highest level. And it [applies] to everyone. It’s the human image. It’s not any loyalty or tradition or anything else; it’s being human that enlists the respect, the love of God being implied in it.”

Obama then cited some of Robinson’s concerns about Christians.

“But you’ve struggled with the fact that here in the United States, sometimes Christian interpretation seems to posit an ‘us versus them,’ and those are sometimes the loudest voices,” he said. “But sometimes I think you also get frustrated with kind of the wishy-washy, more liberal versions where anything goes.”

The president then asks a question regarding his view that those who take religion seriously are “suspicious” of those with different beliefs.

“How do you reconcile the idea of faith being really important to you and you caring a lot about taking faith seriously with the fact that, at least in our democracy and our civic discourse, it seems as if folks who take religion the most seriously sometimes are also those who are suspicious of those not like them?” Obama asked.

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“Well, I don’t know how seriously they do take their Christianity, because if you take something seriously, you’re ready to encounter difficulty, run the risk, whatever. I mean, when people are turning in on themselves—and God knows, arming themselves and so on—against the imagined other, they’re not taking their Christianity seriously,” Robinson replied.

Some note that Obama has made critical statements about Christians on a number of occasions during his presidency, including a comment during a prayer breakfast in April.

“I do reflect on the fact that as a Christian, I am supposed to love. And I have to say that sometimes when I listen to less than loving expressions by Christians, I get concerned,” he said.

“Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,” Obama also stated in February.

“The Crusades were a defense against Islamic aggression and takeover of [Catholic]-held lands. These were bloody wars that went on for centuries, but not because the [Catholics] liked war—but because the Islamic aggressors would not stop waging war, much like they do today,” Martin Mawyer of Christian Action Network wrote in response at that time.

“Did Obama mention the Islamic aggression during the Crusades during Ramadan? Did he ever take the opportunity at a Muslim holiday or gathering to chide the Muslims for getting up on their ‘high horse; about their religion?” he asked. “Of course not. He only tells it like (he thinks) it is when there is a Christian gathering, and only in strident anti-Christian tones.”


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  • Mark Bouckaert

    Read Wikipedia on the crusades. The Christians were not some great holy army but rather one that captured new territory for the rich at the time (even though it was promised to the Byzantine Christians). In fact, the Muslims at that time allowed the Christians access to their holy sites and they lived in peace after the initial wars happened where they took over that territory.

    There is quite a bit of literature on this subject and almost all scholars believe that the Christian crusaders were the evil ones that destroyed a peaceful coexistence between the various religions.

    So Obama is correct in questioning Christians motives. As we all should question our own motives as the bible tells us to do. We are human and thus we are easily corrupted by sin.

    • Norma Harris-Check

      What about the muslim motives….we all see what their motives are via killing, beheading raping children….not speaking of hundreds of years ago, speaking of today and now!!!

      • Mark Bouckaert

        1.5 billion muslims in the world and you pick out less than 1% of them.

        • dpperry001

          1%??? I Don’t Know Where You Get You Numbers But It is Closer To 20-30%!!! And Almost 50% Of muslims In America Want Sharia Over The US Const.!!! And Please Don’t Put A Lot Of Trust In Wikipedia!!! Research How They Get Their Info!!! There Are Two Types Of Evil In This World The Ones That Do The Evil Things And The Ones That Do Nothing To Stop Them!!! And The So Called Good muslims Never Do Anything To Stop The Evil Doers!!! Right Now In Europe Their Is A Rape Crisis!!! muslims men Feel They Have A Right To Rape Any Woman That Does Not Cover Her Head And The Rest Of Them Do Nothing About It!!! It Will Come To America Next!!! There Are Places In Europe That If You Are Not A muslims You Better Not Go There Or You Will Be Killed!!! Even The Police Won’t Go There!!! And In islam It Is OK To Lie If It Helps islam!!! So You Can Never Really Trust Anything A muslims Tells You!!! Sad But True!!!

          • Names_Stan

            aLriGhTy ThEn…

    • FoJC_Forever

      Catholics aren’t Christians. Catholics are just as pagan as Muslims.

      • Shirley Kelly

        See daryl lawson on YouTube.

      • Jackie Gallegos

        Excuse me. I am Catholic, born and bred, and I don’t agree with the Muslim teachings. Who are you to stand there and say, “Catholics aren’t Christians. Catholics are just as pagan as muslims.” Who made you an authority on Catholocism or are you just spewing your hatred at Catholics because you have nothing better to do? Of course, we are Christians. Christ is the foundation of our faith. You need some educating badly. Until you can say something intelligent, I suggest you keep your ignorant comments to yourself.

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          See my similar reply above – even though I am not Catholic.

        • Names_Stan

          Who made you an authority on Catholocism or are you just spewing your hatred at Catholics because you have nothing better to do?

          Oh he’s an authority on way more stuff than that. He’s got the key to heaven’s gate around his neck.

          I think he got it on eBay.

          It came with an Oh-Fishal message from God to keep out the riff-raff, and make sure only card carrying Pharisees are admitted. Never mind all that Gospel stuff.

        • FoJC_Forever

          Who am I? Someone who knows Jesus (the) Christ, loves Him and follows Him.

          Jesus is not the Head of the Catholic religion. He did not found it, start it, nor is a part of it. Catholicism is paganism masquerading as Christianity. It always has been and will be cast away into Eternal Damnation when Judgement has come and Salvation is complete.

    • Craig Martin

      Ya go back 900 years and pick a questionable event and use that as a reason to be paranoid about Christianity. Meanwhile lets ignore the fact that in the last 100 years secular states have conducts war after war that killed over 100 million and staged anti-Christian persecution after another.
      Reaching…

      • Mark Bouckaert

        Ok. How about ww1 and ww2? Or irish terrorism. Or a buck of African nations? Or the fact there are a billion and a half Muslims and most are peaceful?

  • Norma Harris-Check

    It really isn’t O’s business to be concerned about Christians and what they believe or what signal some give off. God deals with them in a way that only pertains to them individually. But it is O’s business to be concerned about his own “Christianity” and how he too should behave in the sight of God! Thus, pluck the board out of your own eye, before noticing a board in others’ eye!!

    • Shirley Kelly

      he is THE antichrist spoken of in Revelation and Daniel. Can THE antichrist be a Christian? Can satan be a Christian? Can the son of satan be a Christian? I think not.

  • FoJC_Forever

    Obama is religious, but he is not Christian. If he were Christian, he would not be supporting and promoting homosexuality and abortion, nor stating plainly that he has a Muslim “faith”, just to name a few of his grave errors. The man lies and twists words, thinking only of his legacy and supporters, not of the LORD and His Word and Will. He is part and parcel in with the Catholics, who believe Islam is the worship of God, which is heresy and a lie.

    Follow Jesus, find Wisdom.

    • Dave_L

      We cannot follow Jesus without practicing the Sermon on the Mount. Wouldn’t you agree?

      • Jennifer Coutlee

        We cannot not follow Jesus if we pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow, it is all or nothing, stop being lukewarm Christians!

        • Dave_L

          So how do you separate the Sermon on the Mount from any New Testament ethic? It is simply a synopsis of the New Testament teaching.

          • Jennifer Coutlee

            I was not disagree with you, Jesus told us he came to uphold His Father’s laws not abolish them, hense the following of the entire Bible,

          • Dave_L

            I agree, but to clarify my position; The New Testament ethic replaces the Old when a contradiction between the two arises. The Sermon on the Mount forms the basis for all New Testament ethics.

          • Jennifer Coutlee

            I agree the parts of the old testament that was to hold God’s people apart from others, but when Jesus extended Grace to gentiles that was no longer necessary.

          • Bill

            Here, “context” is critical.

          • Dave_L

            So is the Sermon on the Mount part of the New Testament context?

          • Bill

            I’d rather you express your opinion here since you brought it up.

          • Dave_L

            My position is clear, it is you who are making the challenge without having one shred of Scripture to back it up.

        • Mark Bouckaert

          So I can’t follow Jesus unless I agree to all your interpretations within the bible. Sorry, but I know better than that and it would be a sin to accept your flawed version of the bible.

          • Jennifer Coutlee

            I do not understand your point, I did not say I had any interpretation of the Bible, just that we need to follow all of it not pick and choose to make ourselves feel better about our sins,, how does that equate to “my flawed version”?

          • Mark Bouckaert

            Not every church believes homosexuality is a sin which is one aspect I’d strongly disagree upon. So by you saying “stop being lukewarm Christians” really means I must conform to your interpretation of the teachings of Christ.

        • Dave_L

          We cannot follow Jesus without practicing the Sermon on the Mount. Wouldn’t you agree?

          • Jennifer Coutlee

            Since that is part of the Bible, yes we need to practice that as well as the rest of the Bible.

      • FoJC_Forever

        You don’t follow Jesus (the) Christ, you find Scripture, twist it, and then paste it, pretending you’re a Christian.

        • supernova

          According to Mr perfect (Dave_L) None of us are Christians. Although I think that he thinks (Names_Stan) is a Christian because he is a Liberal Lukewarm like he is.
          He thinks he is a chosen one who has all the Authority to tell everyone they are not Christians.
          He accuses everyone of Judging others. But yet he has Authority to Judge us to the point of telling us we are not Christians.
          He is all the things he accuses us of being.
          I think he is here to make Christians look bad. So many are responding to him in such ways that it is making us look bad.He is here for a reason. It is to cause trouble and to make Christians look bad.

          • Dave_L

            “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21)

          • supernova

            When you cross over remember your words.I know that God will.

          • Names_Stan

            Although I think that he thinks (Names_Stan) is a Christian because he is a Liberal Lukewarm like he is.
            ….
            I think he is here to make Christians look bad.

            “I don’t care what they say…as long as they talk about me.” -Tallulah Bankhead

            But I doubt Dave has spent any time considering my eternal fate.

            It’s not the Lukewarm among us who believe we need the permission of other humans to get into heaven.

            (Nor who believe we have the authority or the right to grant or withhold that permission to others…)

          • supernova

            Names_Stan I really have nothing to say to you or to your boyfriend Dave_L. All you both like to do is a lot of ,
            Blah Blah Blah.

          • Names_Stan

            Names_Stan I really have nothing to say to you or to your boyfriend Dave_L. All you both like to do is a lot of ,

            Ad hominem. The Real Christian’s™ answer to meaningful discourse.

          • Jim H

            “I think he is here to make Christians look bad. So many are responding to him in such ways that it is making us look bad.”

            How exactly is Dave_L responsible for the fact that Christians responding in ways that make them look bad?

            You sound like an abusive husband who blames his wife when he hits her.

          • supernova

            Husband O.o ? I Know that SSM is now legal but I don’t want a wife and play like I am the Husband. ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. You see I like Men the way God planned for Humanity.

          • Jim H

            That certainly clears it up.

        • Dave_L

          Regardless of your opinion, you cannot follow Jesus apart from the Sermon on the Mount. In fact, John states that Christians should not open their doors to anyone who does not follow the Sermon in their daily lives, or wish them a good day. They are not even saved!

          “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” (2 John 9–11)

          If you really want people to “follow Jesus” as your slogan says; have them begin with the Sermon on the Mount. You should give it a try too. Then you can practice what you preach.

        • Dave_L

          We cannot follow Jesus without practicing the Sermon on the Mount. Wouldn’t you agree?

          • afchief

            You follow Jesus by walking in the Spirit and letting the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth.

          • supernova

            You know that and I know that. But Dave_L has no understanding of that.Kind of sad.

          • Dave_L

            Please use Scripture to refute what I say and teach me the “errors of my way”. Opinion doesn’t count.

          • Josey

            You have heard of the proverb “birds of a feather flock together”, right? Definition: people of the same sort or with the same tastes and interests will be found together.
            The only ones agreeing with you are those who proudly proclaim their unbelief in Christ in their own words, that says a lot and who are you trying to redeem by your statements? What you say is always directed at Christians that are redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ and who already belong to Christ and are trusting in Him to lead them. You certainly are not trying to reach those that are lost for the lost agree with you when you defend the sin people are living in. Examine yourself and see if you are in the faith.

          • Dave_L

            I am trying to show people that Jesus does not endorse the Military, weapons, or violence. Who would be offended with this other than the right people?

          • supernova

            He is so busy telling Christians they are not Christians. That he forgets it is the lost we are to reach out to.

          • Dave_L

            Yes, this I do. But the Holy Spirit guides us through the comfort of the Scriptures and NOT our imaginations, as many would have it.

          • afchief

            Why don’t you put that little thinking cap on and ask God for a little wisdom and discernment. Think about this; For the first 900 to 1100 years there was NO written word. There was NO bible! Even when the written word came into print, most of the world could NOT read or write for the first 1900 years after Christ died. The early church was totally dependent on the Holy Spirit to lead and guide them in all truth and in their daily walk with Him. There was NO doctrines back then. They learned to listen to that still small voice. When sin crept in the Holy Spirit was there to convict. They walked by the Spirit!!!!!

            Today we have made the bible an idol. Some even make certain versions an idol. This is why we have thousands of denominations in the world today. Christians like you have made the bible an idol.

            God is STILL speaking to His people. Most are not listening.

          • Dave_L

            “Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.” (Romans 14:4)

          • afchief

            Matthew 7:16 (NASB) You will know them by their fruits.Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?

          • Dave_L

            The fruit of the Spirit is in full bloom in those who walk according to God’s word. If you consider how incompatible Love, Joy, Peace, goodness, etc,. is with war, and how compatible the works of the flesh are with it, namely hatred, wrath, strife. etc., it is easy to see who the false teachers are.

          • afchief

            You truly are ignorant of God’s word and His heart. Yes, God hates war. His desire is for all to come to repentance and to live for Him. But we live in a fallen world and war is going to happen. God expects us (yes we Christians) to defend the defenseless. For you not to defend a defenseless person and let that person die, is just as guilty of murder.

            What if that defenseless person was not a Christian and you let that person die and go to hell? YOU ARE GUILTY!!!!

            What if that defenseless person came to Christ because of what you did? You have saved a soul!

            Learn to read and study the word in context. Learn God’s heart!!!

          • Dave_L

            Please provide Scripture where Jesus teaches Christians are supposed to use hostile force against enemies.

            “For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)” (2 Corinthians 10:3–4)

          • afchief

            Bye! You are a liar and there is NO truth in you.

          • Dave_L

            Is there any truth in Jesus? Of course there is, he is truth personified. If I speak what he speaks, the truth is in me too.

          • Dave_L

            The New Testament writings were in circulation during the first century and replaced “speaking in tongues” by the first half of the second century. Many could not read but there were plenty of accurate copies available for those who could.

          • afchief

            OMG!!!! That is a boldface lie!!!! I would advise you to read a book called “Pagan Christianity” written by George Barna and Frank Viola and educate yourself.

          • Dave_L

            There are many, some 36,000 references to our Scriptures in the writings of the early Church, prior to the Council of Nicaea in 350 AD.

            Notice Peter calls Paul’s writings “Scriptures” in 2 Peter 3:16;

            “As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:16)

          • afchief

            Now I know you are a liar and I will NO longer converse with you!!!!

          • Dave_L

            You need to study more. The truth is there if you look for it.

          • afchief

            As one who has studied the word 33 years and been in leadership in churches, I have studied!!!!!!!!!

            Let me tell you this one last time because I know with most hypocrites nothing sinks in.

            Two of the biggest idols in church history have been man and the bible. The worship of man started when Paul was visiting the Corinthians where some were saying “I am of Apollos, I am of Peter, etc (1 Cor 1:12). When the written word came into print this caused even greater division in the church. Instead of man listening to the Holy Spirit they interpreted the written according to their own intellect. This caused thousands of Christians to form their own denomination according to how they believed. Their “doctrine” became an idol. It’s even worse today.

            Like I said the written word did not come into print until the 9th to 11th century and most people could not read or write until 150 to 200 years ago. Christians were totally dependent on the Holy Spirit. Totally!!! Today that is still happening in places like China and in Muslim countries. They have NO bible.

            Do you think Paul took a copy of the sermon on the mount to the Galatians? To the Romans? Did he take Peter’s letters to the Thessalonians? Did Paul makes copies of all his letters and leave them in every country he visited? Let the Holy Spirit open your eyes. Because right now I can tell they are CLOSED!!!

            You need to learn to read the bible in the context of who and when it was written. For example, Paul said to greet everyone with a “holy kiss”. Are you doing that? Is it a sin for man to have long hair? Is it a sin for a woman to wear makeup, etc, etc, etc.

            When Jesus came to earth he was teaching Jews who were still under the law. That is why Jesus told people who were healed to go show themselves to the priest. You have to read the Gospels in the context of who, when and why of what Jesus was saying to the Jews and religious people of that time. Same with the teachings of Paul.

            You need to study!!!

          • Dave_L

            How do you know if the voices you hear in your head are the Holy Spirit or not?

          • afchief

            Is God’s word written on our hearts? Is man without excuse? Does the Holy Spirit lead and guide us into ALL truth? Does our heart condemn us?

          • Dave_L

            That is the “Ten Commandments” written in the hearts of all, not saving but condemning.

          • afchief

            No it is not! Romans 1:19-20 (NASB) because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

            It is quite evident that there is a God who created us. That is why we are without excuse. That is why it is evident within us. When the HS lives within us and we are listening He will guide and lead us into all truth. Because we KNOW His voice John 10:4

          • Dave_L

            “For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)” (Romans 2:14–15)

          • afchief

            Yes, the law of right vs wrong! It is written on everyone’s heart. That is why everyone is without excuse.

          • Dave_L

            Yes, we agree. I would like to say that we can learn from many different denominations. Each have strong and weak points. But if we view each as a book and not limit ourselves to only one “book”, we can arrive at a more balanced view.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Do not let *Dave_L* get to you. He is trying to very hard to do so. If you let him than he wins.
            Remember God sees what he is doing to the Christians. He will be stopped in God’s timing.
            He is proving daily that he is not what he says he is.What he is doing is not showing love. Pray for him.

          • Dave_L

            I’m sharing my view of the Scriptures and some oppose it. This board would be a cult if everyone thought the same. All I ask is that you pray and study the points I bring up. If they do not stand the test, then post Scripture to refute them, not personal opinion alone.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            My pearls will not be tossed to swine…………………………………..
            May the Peace of God and His Protection be around every Christian you come in contact with on line and off line. May He deliver them from what you are trying to do…………………………………………

          • Dave_L

            So now you are calling me a swine? I do not sense the fruit of the Holy Spirit in this.

            “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.” (Galatians 5:22–24)

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            I am beginning my time of fasting and Prayer for you and also for the Christians you have been hurting. And some Atheist/Homosexuals. I will not respond to you for the next 24 hours.
            Shalom <

          • Dave_L

            Please while you are at it, ask Jesus to show you what he means in the Sermon on the Mount. And to show you examples from his ministry and the Apostles on how they applied it to every situation. If a person has God’s love in their heart, they will do the same things taught in the Sermon on the Mount, even if they had never read it before. It is God’s love in action. Please consider this in your prayers.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            May God Protect all Christians from ((((YOU))) May He surround them with a hedge of Protection.

          • Dave_L

            Why would God need to protect “Christians” from the words of Christ? If I post Jesus’ words about loving enemies, who but the Devil would shutter?

          • supernova

            LadyFreeBird is not talking about protecting Christians from the words of Christ. She is a lady who really loves the word of God. She is talking about protecting Christians from your abuse of Christians through the words of God.
            She has tried to help others learn how to forgive and how to love others. But she loves these Christians you are tearing down enough to defend them. Not through violence but through prayer. She is trying not to toss her pearls to swine.She is also thinking of shaking your dust off her feet. Although she says she will still stand in the gap for you. She will continue to fast and pray for you. She has a love for Humanity. While you are tearing down people. She is trying to lift them up in prayer.Her Prayers is that God will protect the Christians you are tearing down from you and your abuse.

          • Dave_L

            Did Jesus abuse his followers when he spoke the Sermon on the Mount to them? How is it any different if I merely call attention to what he said in the Sermon? If you truly love people, you will also preach Christ’s words summarized in the Sermon on the Mount.

          • supernova

            Jesus lifts people up through his Love for them. Satan tears them down to destroy them.

          • Dave_L

            How does the Sermon on the Mount destroy any but the devil and his?

          • supernova

            God lifts Humanity through His Son.
            Satan Through His Hate for God, Christ and Humanity tears them down.

          • Dave_L

            Yes, but remember Jesus lived the Sermon on the Mount and expects the same from us. The best life a person can have on this earth is through obedience to Jesus and his teachings in the Sermon on the Mount. Satan steals, lies, kills and hates Christians and will use anyone he can, especially the “Christian” look alike to oppose Christ’s teachings. Notice, I promote Jesus’ teachings.

          • supernova

            You can not save lost souls when all you do is tear Christians apart.

          • Dave_L

            Only Jesus saves. We only tell people about salvation. And we tell Christians how to follow Jesus after they are saved. I am doing only what he expects all Christians to do.

          • supernova

            Tearing Christians apart is not leading the lost to salvation. Jesus is the only way to Salvation. Not tearing Christians apart! Christ died to save us. He did not die and ask you Dave_L to tear apart the ones he died for! It is through His shed Blood that we are saved. Not tearing Christians apart.

          • Dave_L

            “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.” (John 10:27–29)

          • supernova

            Tearing down the sheep of Christ is not the plan of Christ for His sheep.

          • supernova

            You have not even told the lost about the true way and only way to Salvation. All you do is tell Christians they are not Christians and tear them apart.You fail to tell the lost the way to Salvation. Some of what you say is what they should do AFTER Salvation.Only a part of what they should do. There is a way to Salvation but you are not saying it.Tearing Christians apart is what you are doing!

          • Dave_L

            Normally salvation begins with a conviction of sin and remorse. This I provide through Jesus’ own words when I quote him. Those who are Born Again will feel sinful every time they refuse to turn the other cheek, and when they hate their enemies instead of loving them. When the prefer violence to trusting God. And this leads to repentance.

            But those who resist and take issue with Jesus’ words are in a very dangerous position, spiritually speaking.

          • supernova

            You need to consider Repenting from the tearing down the sheep of Christ.

          • Dave_L

            We need to provide others with an accurate presentation of Christ. We cannot do this if we advocate retaliation and violence. Especially militarism and the mass destruction of innocents in war.

          • supernova

            Tearing down Christian is as bad if not worse than violence. You are also back biting the Sheep of Christ by abusing them with the word. Not lifting them up with the Love of Christ.
            By the way I am not violent. I cry if I step on a spider. Defending others is not about violence.I will also let someone hurt me by stepping in front of others in a fight.I will try my to stop fights. Some times I have been able to defend someone without violence.
            You accuse us of Judging in one breath while your next breath your Judging us. You are the very thing you accuse us of being. But you are too blind to see it.I have never killed animal or Human. And I Pray I never will !!

          • Dave_L

            I found a great treasure in the Sermon on the Mount and seek to share it with others. Often times Jesus’ words conflict with others views. But nonetheless, it is the medicine the church needs most today. People misrepresent Jesus when they call for guns and violence and even war as an option for dealing with enemies. When we should reflect Christ in our thoughts and actions. How do we preach the Gospel to those who already have rejected Christ because of the way many “Christians” misrepresent him?

          • supernova

            You are taking a treasure and destroying the true message through tearing down Christians. You can not help the ones you tear down. Open your eyes.

          • Dave_L

            How does speaking God’s Word “tear down” anything but lies and half truths? Is it bad if it exposes areas in peoples hearts that need attention?

          • Kandy

            Even Jesus would never tear down people. You could learn a lot from him.

          • Dave_L

            Jesus called the Pharisees; “You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.” (Matthew 12:34)

          • Kandy

            You are like a Pharisee.Like you they too loved to tear others down. Acting like they are the perfect ones. Thank you.

          • Dave_L

            The Pharisees were more like today’s Conservatives and the Sadducees were a lot like today’s Progressives or Liberals.

          • Kandy

            Pharisees are more like the Liberals. They thought very high of themselves. All the could ever be as good as they were. they loved to put down and tear apart others.Trying to act all perfect they too blind to see what they were.

          • Dave_L

            Please cite your references so I can study your claim further.

          • Kandy

            After what you said to Josey and other Christians ,I will no longer loss pearls your way! I shake your dust from my feet!

          • Dave_L

            This is not an excuse for being unable to answer using Scripture. Any Christian should know the Bible well enough to provide Scripture for their claims. Or be eager enough to see if what other Christians say has Scriptural support.

            “These people were more willing to listen than the people in Thessalonica. The Bereans were eager to hear what Paul and Silas said and studied the Scriptures every day to find out if these things were true.” (Acts 17:11)

          • Kandy

            No more pearls to you! No more of your dust on my feet! Praise God and His Son !

          • Dave_L

            Is this the Christian thing to do? Calling those you disagree with “Swine”? When you make reference to your “Pearls” you are inferring that I’m the pig that tramples them under foot. I forgive you.

          • Kandy

            No more pearls to you. Means no more. No more of your dust means I have shaken your dust from my feet.

          • supernova

            Turning the Cheek is not Salvation.It is a part of what we do AFTER Salvation.

          • Dave_L

            Does it apply to Christians who don’t require having the elements of salvation preached to them? If it is “something we do after salvation”, why all the fuss? You should be glad I’m bringing it up for Christians to share in.

          • supernova

            Tearing down Christians is not Sharing the Love and Truth of Christ. Open your eyes. Look at what you are doing…………..

          • Dave_L

            The truth will never offend any who have the Spirit of Truth.

          • supernova

            You will see unless you open your eyes

          • Kandy

            I changed my name . to my real name. Not trying to hide who I am.

          • supernova

            You promote tearing Christians apart. Telling them they are not Christians. Shame on you. We as Christians are to lift each other up in love.

          • Dave_L

            I never said anyone is not a Christian. I only said Christian look alikes exist.

            Jesus says the same;

            “But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.” (Matthew 13:25–30)

            So it is up to each to examine themselves and to evaluate their own fruit. A serious problem exists if you reject Jesus’ words, however.

          • supernova

            Remember Satan also Quoted the words of God to Jesus. If Satan is able to use the Words of God against Jesus. Than you are also able to use the Words of God against Christians.You just seem to enjoy tearing then down instead of lifting them up.

          • Dave_L

            I do not understand how quoting Scripture would be offensive to any Christian. It is the Word of God. Jesus replied to Satan’s quotes by quoting Scripture. If what I say is false, reply to me with Scripture quotes. This is not asking too much.

          • flackmaster00

            I think you are confusing ‘thinking cap’ with ‘imagination cap’.
            aside from the period of time you stated there was no written bible, which is documented in history, where are any of the rest of your claims substantiated?

          • afchief

            If you do not have the Spirit of God living within you, you will never understand.

          • hamfish

            But if we were all made in his image, we all do. So quit your bellyaching.

          • FoJC_Forever

            You don’t practice the Word of God, you simply quote it to make yourself look like a Christian.

          • Dave_L

            You do not know me but I have practiced the Sermon on the Mount for over 2/3 of my life as a follower of Christ.

          • FoJC_Forever

            You are lying.

          • Dave_L

            Prove that you know me. Prove that I don’t live according to the Sermon on the Mount. I made a career out of it. God clothed and fed me according to his promise contained in it. And still provides for me abundantly because of his promises therein. Not to many experience this today. You do not know what you are missing.

    • Jade

      Christian extremist just cannot let the homosexuality issue go. They cannot accept the fact that this is just the way some people were born (similar to being born black, a woman or left handed). I believe that if they were to accept this then they would not be able to hang onto what they see as a perfect Bible. The Bible cannot be perfect since it was written by mostly men and they included their own thoughts and prejudices in their writings. Christian extremist will continue to deny the truth and continue to inflict harm to the innocent.

      • Bill

        What exactly, is a “Christian extremist”? Some one who believes the Bible?

        • Jennifer Coutlee

          Yes can we have the answer to that…..

        • flackmaster00

          someone who imposes the bible on those who dont believe in it

        • Phipps Mike

          no, its a fundamentalist who is the extremist.

          • afchief

            It’s liberalism and homosexuality that is a mental disorder!!!

          • flackmaster00

            did you know that people in dictatorship countries that work to implement democracy or overthrow theocratic dictators are liberals? those idiots!
            look at jesus’s teachings once in a while, he was a super-liberal in his time

          • afchief

            Wrong! Liberalism is a cancer destroying America.

          • hamfish

            I think stupidity is what you’re talking about. And displaying.

          • Phipps Mike

            homosexuality is no longer classified a mental disorder. It has been removed from the DSM. Liberalism has never been considered a disorder and its the REASON you have freedom today. To rebel against the King of England was a LIBERAL action. (progressive).

          • afchief

            Can you tell me what medical evidence was found in 1974 that the ASA changed the classification? I will help you, NONE!!!! the ASA was bribed with Millions of dollars (from the homo lobby) to change the classification. Two of the shrinks who were Christians would not accept the money and told the truth. It does not take a rational and logical mind to know that two people of the same sex trying have sex is a mental disorder.

            The Liberal mind has the moral world upside down. It thinks God/Reality should bow and justify to it, rather than it to God/Reality. It thinks by collectivizing that it can force such bowing. But all it accomplishes is to make itself morally irrelevant, by surrendering its conscience, responsibility, and children to a false collective. It believes it has entitlement without responsibility, charity without sacrifice, and morality without limit. What it actually has is dehumanization. We are living in an age of moral zombies who celebrate zombiehood. There is no co-existence. There will prevail one or the other.

          • Phipps Mike

            “The Liberal mind has the moral world upside down. It thinks God/Reality
            should bow and justify to it, rather than it to God/Reality.”
            now THAT statement is a mental disorder.
            Reality and God do not belong in the same sentence. Reality is something that is only accomplished with “empirical evidence”. there is no empirical evidence of the existence of God. That puts a monkey wrench in everything you said AFTER that quote. Liberalism is NOT even close to what you define it as. In a nutshell. Liberalism is the belief and practice of total equality, progression of ideas and FREEDOM> it does not ignore quality of life issues. Conservatism on the other hand IGNORES freedom and aims to oppress. All in the name of the THEORY that there is a God. The Bible is NOT Gods word. It is MANS word.

          • afchief

            I have come to learn that when you are dealing with liberals, I have discovered that truth and reason do not enter into the equation. It is akin to dealing with hardened hearts to whom Truth is a category to be ignored, at all costs.

            Liberals aren’t depressed or confused people seeking to feel better about themselves. They want to destroy traditional America and demonize those who hold traditional western values. They aren’t helping poor minorities and illegals because they feel sorry for them. They want to lure them into a culture of dependence in order to lock-in votes.

            Just before every election, liberal politicians start sounding like conservatives. Suddenly, they are concerned about creating jobs and helping the economy. They even accuse the conservative challenger of wanting to raise taxes. As soon as the election is over, they return to pushing for higher taxes and more regulations to hurt business. In other words, they know what’s good for the country and they pretend to support those things when they want your vote. They have figured out that most people are suckers.

            They covet the money and possessions of those who have more than they, and latch on to terms like “old white men”, “1 percenters”, and “the rich” to demonize them. Basically, they have succumbed to greed and envy and vote for Liberal politicians who promise to redistribute wealth. Granted, they are not as guilty as the leaders, but they are enabling the pillaging of future generation’s wealth so they can live at a level that they haven’t earned. The last election was a wake up call.

            Liberalism is a mental disorder….there is no other explanation (except spiritual). We don’t need to over analyze it. When truth, facts, reason, logic and historic precedent fall on deaf ears you have psychosis on your hands.

            It takes MORE faith to believe that we have evolved over billions of years than to believe there is a God. Look at the complex body you live in. That a cell or bacteria evolved into a human???? That the human body evolved to form a woman’s and man’s body that is capable of reproducing??? Really????

            The Word of God is quite clear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            2 Corinthians 4:4 (NASB) in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

            It is quite obvious your mind has been blinded!!!!

          • Bill

            OK, what is a “fundamentalist”? Someone who believes the Bible?

          • flackmaster00

            a fundamentalist is someone who takes the bible (or any ‘holy’ book) literally.
            for example, the world being ~4000yrs old, a talking snake, womankind being the product of bone taken out of a guy crafted from clay, having two of every species of animal on earth on a single hand-made wooden ship, stoning adulterers to death, and all that good stuff.

          • Bill

            Lets start with your first comment. Where EXACTLY does the Bible say the earth is 4000 years old?

          • Bill

            Take your time, I’ll wait.

          • flackmaster00

            sorry, I got it wrong. its not 4000 years (that would be silly!), young-earth creationists believe the earth is about 6000 years old. check out answers from genesis https : // answersingenesis. org/age-of-the-earth/how-old-is-the-earth/ for a good breakdown that is based on scripture.
            now onto the talking snake, rib lady, clay face, the impossible logistics of the ark, and of course that good old fashioned biblical justice

          • Bill

            So lets be clear, the Bible doesnt actually say the earth is any age. Some people who may or may not be Christians said it and you used it to promote your militant atheism…right?

          • Jade

            Genesis gives the information you need to calculate how old the world would be according to the Bible. It gives the descendants of Adam and their ages so make the calculation. The problem is that the Bible is not off by a million years, it is off by a millions times!

          • Bill

            Lets be honest here, you admit then Bible doesnt actually say the earth is 4000 years old? This is a conclusion you drew from not understanding what you’re reading. So in all honesty, you’re telling something as fact, when in truth it isnt fact…..thank you.

          • Bill

            “you need to calculate”, then please, just admit the Bible doesnt say how old the earth is…

          • Bill

            Still waiting……

          • flackmaster00

            how about if you take on all the allegations at once and then exercise some patience. i typically post before work and during lunch

        • acontraryview

          I would define a “Christian extremist” as a person who believes it that the rights of people should be based solely upon the Christian belief system.

          • hamfish

            Well, you mean “their interpretation of the Christian belief system, really meaning based on their own prejudices and personal politics”

        • Jade

          A Christian extremist is someone who cannot live without believing in a perfect Bible and that every word is the actual actual voice of God. Extremist take everything literally in the Bible, believing that the earth is only 6000 years old, dinosaurs were on the ark, slavery laws were commanded by God, God commanding that women are 2nd class human beings and homosexuals are sinful worthy of blood and death, just to name a few. Islamic extremist are similar but certainly much worse in their beliefs and behavior based on their religious book the Quran. To be a Christian that is not an extremist, you must remove your religious blinders and realize that mostly men wrote the scriptures which included their own thoughts and prejudices. Do you know that most Biblical scholars believe Genesis – Deuteronomy was written around 400 BCE (1000 years after Moses would have lived)?

          • Bill

            The Bible doesnt say the earth is 6000 years old. The word dinosaur can mean several things and isnt in the Bible. God didnt allow slavery as we know it today. God never said women were 2nd class. That doesnt exist in the Bible. In fact he said we are all created equal. So I’m wondering where you are getting your info….

          • Jade

            I actually read the Bible numerous times without religious blinders. If you do the same, you will answer your own question.

          • Bill

            Then it would be fair to say you have no truthful answer…

      • Wade Wilson

        Hmm. Born that way huh? So if it is possible to be born with a sexual preference, does that mean a pedophile is justified in saying he was born that way too?

        • Phipps Mike

          true classic pedophiles ARE born that way, But a law is a law.

          • Tyler Mitchell

            So, you’re okay with places that pedophiles can work in freedom?I mean since it’s not breaking that law,right?Folks, this is an example of the human waste walking the streets these days.

          • Phipps Mike

            that isnt even remotely close to what I said.
            The law I am referring to is that pedophiles may not act out upon their inborn sexual urges.
            Of course there needs to be “controls” as to where a pedophile may work or hang out. The message I was trying to convey is that no matter how hard Christians want to DREAM, sexual attraction IS inborn. My wife is a lobbyist who seeks out to lengthen sentences for sex offenders, so you are preaching to the choir when you say sex offenders need control.

          • Josey

            So, how long before the law gets changed and pedophilia becomes acceptable in society as homosexuality has become accepted? By your standard then if laws were changed making pedophilia acceptable then that to would be ok. Although, Congress has not made a law concerning homosexuality or the marriage of homosexuals, another topic.
            All laws set up in a moral society have their basis in God’s laws. Rebellion against God is to accept man’s laws over that of the Creator who set up the laws of how we are to live in a manner pleasing to Him. That is the line that is drawn by children of God to not accept the laws of man over the laws of God. It is better to obey God’s law over mans. Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

          • flackmaster00

            “All laws set up in a moral society have their basis in God’s laws. ”
            where is this stated? don’t say the bible, because there were moral societies that existed before christianity was established.

          • Phipps Mike

            you misunderstood what I meant by a law is a law. I meant that the law PROTECTS against pedophilia even though the attraction is inborn. You have little faith in the parents of America if you are even ENTERTAINING the idea that pedophilia would EVER be accepted. Thats the QUICKEST way to civil war if that happened.

            “. Rebellion against God is to accept man’s laws over that of the Creator
            who set up the laws of how we are to live in a manner pleasing to Him.”

            The United States was founded so that people can CHOOSE what they want to believe in. So God is not part of the plan of the freedom in the US.

          • Josey

            You need a history lesson. And you’re arrogancy shows through which is part of that rebellion against a benevolent God who gave us freedom to worship Him or not to. God will separate the wheat from the chaff at the end of the age, humans have the opportunity to decide whose side they are on right now for today is the day of salvation, tomorrow is not promised. There are two sides whether you believe it or not.

          • Phipps Mike

            your reply makes no sense whatsoever. Freedom of religion means to choose WHICH religion we want to believe in or practice. It doesn’t mean the freedom to believe in JUST the Christian God or not. You need COMPREHENSION lessons. In a nutshell, the United States does NOT honor ANY God into being above mans law. Deal with it or cry somewhere else.

          • hamfish

            Never. Informed consent cannot and will never be able to be given by a child in the eyes of the law.

        • Jade

          Since we have both heterosexuals and homosexuals that are pedophiles, it is a poor analogy. Pedophiles are harming children that do not have a choice or consent in the act and that is why society knows it to be wrong, and correctly severely punishes them.

      • Shirley Kelly

        Homosexuality is a CHOICE.

        • flackmaster00

          were you born straight, or did you choose to be?

          • Josey

            James 1:13-16 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
            14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

            No one is born homosexual as God’s word states in the old and new testament for God made us all male and female with the desire that man and woman be joined together as one flesh, not man with man or woman with woman, that is unnatural in God’s eyes and is against the order God set up from the beginning. The claim that homosexuals were born this way and have no choice is to make God out to be a liar.
            It is out of their lust that they turn the natural order God made for a man and a woman to be together and out of their lust for the unnatural that they burn in lust for one another, as all parts of a man and woman fit together to make one flesh as Jesus said in Matthew 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? The sin of homosexuality is an abomination, needs repented of, should not be accepted by the church in which a child of Christ would never be able to compromise with or accept, not ever. The same goes with all sins of the flesh whether homosexuality, adultery, fornication, it is a choice. It is rebellion and pride that satan exhibits and was his downfall with Almighty God and those evil spirits fill the spirit and soul of the one who accepts and promotes homosexuality. It was the downfall before the flood, it was sodom and gomorrah’s downfall and anyone that practices it today and does not turn away from it in repentance will fall as well. Just as it is a choice to partake of this sin, it is a choice to turn away from it with the the help of the Holy Spirit. There is hope in Jesus Christ for anyone caught up in sin, He is the only One who saves, turn to Christ, repent, change your mind and trust in Christ to keep you from being unspotted from the world and it’s rebellious thinking, you do not have to live in any sin any longer. John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

        • Phipps Mike

          to ACT on the attraction is a choice. The attraction itself is NATURAL. You can NOT manufacture attraction.

          • skoomz

            Propaganda can

          • Phipps Mike

            non applicable

          • skoomz

            Trust me dude propaganda works thats why its baned

          • Phipps Mike

            we are talking on different levels. I will be concise. Propaganda does NOT make somebody attracted to their own sex.

          • skoomz

            Yes it dose watch when it gets put in tv…lol nvm to late

          • Phipps Mike

            when it gets “put in TV”? egads! your language skills leave
            much to be desired. Attraction is 100% natural. There is NO SUCH THING as “manufactured” attraction, That is an empirical fact. End of story.

          • skoomz

            Dude apperantly you dont believe a lie lol .. ill talk to you on are other chat

        • Jade

          You only make this statement so you can rationalize your hatred. The south used the Bible to support slavery and men used the Bible to prevent women from voting; since the Bible made it clear that women were 2nd class human beings. According to the Bible you will only sleep in your grave when you die and wait for the 2nd coming of Christ (might be a very long wait). Your children and grandchildren will remember you with sadness because you were unable to let go of your bigotry and you used your time inflicting pain on the innocent.

          • Shirley Kelly

            Please.

        • Valri

          No it isn’t, Shirley. Please be serious.

          • Shirley Kelly

            Jesus Said it was a choice….I am serious.

          • Valri

            In the Bible? No, he didn’t.

          • Shirley Kelly

            Yes, He Did. Romans 1:21:29 Amplified Bible For even though they knew God [as the Creator], they did not honor Him as God or give thanks [for his wondrous creation]. On the contrary, they became worthless in there thinking [godless with pointless reasonings, and silly speculations], and their foolish heart was darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory and majesty and excellence of the immortal God for an image [worthless idols] in the shape of mortal man and birds and four footed animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in their a lusts of their own hearts to [sexual] impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them [abandoning them to the degrading power of sin], because -[BY CHOICE] they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading and vile passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural [a function contrary to nature], and in the same way also the men turned away from the natural function of the woman and were consumed with their desire toward one another, men with men committing shameful acts and in return receiving in their own bodies the inevitable and appropriate penalty for their wrongdoing. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God or consider him work knowing [as their Creator], God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do things which are improper and repulsive, until they were filled (permeated, saturated) with every kind of unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice and mean spiritedness……

          • Valri

            First problem: that is not Jesus speaking.
            Second problem: that does not refer to people having the ability to change from homosexual to heterosexual. That entire passage is about disobedience to God.

          • Shirley Kelly

            You are incorrect.

          • Valri

            I don’t think so.

          • Shirley Kelly

            I know so.

          • Shirley Kelly

            AND do err not knowing The Scriptures nor The Power Of GOD.

        • hamfish

          It isn’t. Christianity, indeed any religion, on the other hand, is.

          • Shirley Kelly

            IT IS A CHOICE. ……YOU ARE WRONG.

          • hamfish

            WRITING IN CAPITALS doesn’t make you any more right. It just makes you look childish. Flackmaster00 asked what I was going to. If homosexuality is a choice, heterosexuality must also be a choice. When did you choose to be straight? I know I was born straight and asking any of my gay colleagues or friends, they tell me they were born gay. So what age were you when you decided to be straight?

          • Shirley Kelly

            You are still wrong.

      • Jennifer Coutlee

        They where not born that way, sexuality is not a genetic code, your sex, male or female is but not who you are attracted to, it is a choice who you attracted to, our genetic code says to be attracted to the opposite sex. Anything else is deviant from our design.

        • Phipps Mike

          “, it is a choice who you attracted to, our genetic code says to be attracted to the opposite sex.”
          that is a 100% oxymoronic statement! Thats REALLY stupid.
          Genetic code means no choice, yet you say its a choice on who you are attracted to. Contradict yourself like this all the time?

          • afchief

            More proof that homosexuality IS a mental disorder!!! Hey genius look how a man and woman are made. They are meant to come together!!!

          • Phipps Mike

            said like a true phobe!

          • afchief

            The history of homosexuality reveals that in all cultures it is an elitist practice that recruits the young into its “service.” In fact, it has a history of being a pagan religious ritual which, once again, put it into the practice of the elites of a society. It is no coincidence that human sacrifice (abortion 1973) and homosexuality (1975 when the ASA mysteriously changed Homosexuality from a mental disorder) have arrived in our culture at the same time. Satan, the god of this world knows his time is short and is using abortion and Homosexuality to take as many souls to hell as possible. It’s obvious who is behind this cause because as you can see the evil behind their extreme dedication. Things are going to get dangerous and worse…and soon…

            Because the aggressive homosexual movement is indeed about is about destroying the biblical definition of marriage being one man and one woman. Once that definition falls, marriage can be anything one wishes it to be, including polygamy, polyandry, temporary marriages, bestiality, pederasty and so on. It’s about the elevation of the human and the dethroning of God. It’s all of a piece with the secular humanism that deifies the progressive individual.

            If I’m not mistaken, promoting any kind of deviant sexual behavior as being acceptable and normal, was one of the ways the communists was to bring down America. They seem to be making magnificent strides in their goal of burying us from the inside out.

          • hamfish

            Why have you got Will Smith as your avatar?

      • FoJC_Forever

        Jade continues to speak lies.

        • Jade

          Or could it be that you just can’t handle Jade’s truths?

          • Names_Stan

            I so respect your efforts, Jade. It gets more ridiculous every day. Not just here, but everywhere extremists try to own the conversation and shut others down.

            Today a moderator removed three of my posts. The posts cited the error in our response to 9/11…our invasion and occupation of whole countries for the acts of a few.

            While those were removed, obviously improper (and laughingly childish) posts aimed at a couple of us…”you’re gay, nah, nah, nah”…were left up as a blaring advertisement for the spirit of fundamentalism today.

            While our eternal futures are pronounced on us here daily, these folks apparently never wonder if it might be an issue for God for them to paint the faith as shallow, unattractive and mean-spirited.

      • Klitius Smooth

        So, if people born to be gay, I guess you telling me people are born paedophiles? Or born killers? Born to be bisexual? If don’t see how very stupid you sound, I can guess your imaginary philosophy doesn’t make sense. Homosexuality is a sin like all things I just listed, its unnatural, an only animals seem to have the only sense, to know the difference. If you where born gay, is like saying you born not reproduce. On the hindsight looking at it, you can’t dispute that. The fact still remains if man was made for the same sex, there wouldn’t be no other people on this earth. Use your head before you speak, lack of wisdom makes you seem very uneducated.

        • Jade

          Since the small percentage of homosexuals is rather constant around the world, it would therefore make logical sense that not all humans were designed to reproduce. Perhaps homosexuals were made to keep population in check or to become parents for heterosexuals who do not want or love their children. Also there are some heterosexuals that are unable to reproduce. For your logic, the percentage of homosexuals would have to be 100% for there to be no other people on this earth.Even though homosexuality does not fit your perfect world nor your perfect Bible, it is a fact that homosexuals were born gay. If you cannot accept this, then know that the younger generations will accept it and you will will just become a bad memory of past human history.

        • Elie Challita

          1- Yes, people are born bisexual too.
          2- There is evidence that some people are born with pedophiliac tendencies, but that doesn’t mean anyone supports them, because we actually understand the concept of informed consent.
          3- Yes, some people are born psychopathic, and could very well end up killing if untreated.
          4- A good deal of animal species practices same-sex relations too.
          5- So people who are born asexual or infertile are sinful by their very nature, because they cannot or won’t procreate?
          6- Chides people for being uneducated while being called Cletus…

          • Klitius Smooth

            Really…., (sarcasm)!! So you actually vote who comes in office, economy is great condition, an scientist know everything because their I.Q is a 1000. You the type of person to believe in aliens from a far galaxy, the big bang theory, an reincarnation. #Crashdummieseverywhere

          • Elie Challita

            Try speaking English…

          • Klitius Smooth

            You are so well educated in, in D.N.A.!!! Your thesis about bisexuality is amazing; how did you come up with such profound articulate view point. Medication for psychopath was my favorite. Omg… You must be one of those brainchilds from the planet nibiriu. I must borrow your brain one day, so I can analyze with such precision. You are my blog hero, Go…E-Lie even your name tells the truth.

          • Elie Challita

            1- What is the source of sexual orientation?
            2- How do you treat psychopathy?
            I’m sure someone as intelligent as you, Cletus, would have no problem answering these very simple questions.

          • Klitius Smooth

            @Elie Challita no sarcasm your cool dude. After get that off my chest, Source of sexual orientation is if your born male your attracted to a women. If your born female, your attracted to a man. Its natural, because man an women. Not 2 men, not 2 women. One that is opposite for reproduction. Humans can’t reproduce children on their own. That is common sense on why homosexuality is looked down on. No offense to any gay person. Natural, unnatural is like walking with your hands but have feet that work. Psychopath are either demonically posses since this is also a spiritual world as well as a physical. The other is mk ultra an human clones that walk this planet. Believe it or not, clones are here. I have seen one with my own two eyes. Clones have no soul, if you believe that. At the end of the day, your a see it to believe it person an everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I don’t knock yours, we will know very soon about everything anyways. Your good chap mate, I hope you the best. Don’t take my blog humor, seriously.

          • hamfish

            Treatment does not equal medication.

      • afchief

        Sorry, but you were not born that way. It is quite obvious by the way God made you that you were meant to reproduce with the opposite sex. It does not work with the same sex.

        • hamfish

          How do you know? Have you tried?

      • sandra-paquette-

        The Bible was not written by just men. They were guided by the Holy Spirit into what to write. They did not just put there own thoughts and prejudices in their writings. Big difference. The Bible is TRUTH it is God’s word it is perfect. It is the world that deny the truth so they can live and do as they please.

        • Jim H

          “The Bible is TRUTH it is God’s word it is perfect.”
          Except a bat isn’t a bird, its a mammal and rabbits don’t chew their cud, they eat their feces.
          References:

          These, moreover, you shall detest among the birds; they are abhorrent, not to be eaten: the eagle and the vulture and the buzzard, 14and the kite and the falcon in its kind, 15every raven in its kind, 16 and the ostrich and the owl and the sea gull and the hawk in its kind, 17and the little owl and the cormorant and the great owl, 18and the white owl and the pelican and the carrion vulture, 19 and the stork, the heron in its kinds, and the hoopoe, and the bat.”
          -Leviticus 11:13-19

          The hare chews the cud but does not have split hooves, so it is unclean
          -Leviticus 11:6

      • Josey

        2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

        • Jade

          Ok, that was from the writings of a MAN named Paul. So what is your point?

      • skoomz

        You have bitten one of satans biggest lie its not by birth there gay its by the propaganda and the sinful nature this world is going they are…or at lest the parents not teaching the truth or caring for that matter

      • ogail

        your comment is irrelevant and illogical. there is no proof for your dream (scientifically or logically)genetically formed homosexual. I will not comment on your view about the bible, you further have the right to consistently be inconsistent to logic. We pray one day you will bring substance to this forum. Good Day

        • Jade

          Actually you are praying that I will write something that you agree with. Sorry if I did that, then we would both be wrong.

          • ogail

            Jade, Disagreement is not the problem. You are right to disagree on anything but should be backed by science or logic however, using these two weighing scales your views are wanting (unfortunately). that is my concern but not to write something that i agree with.

      • Klitius Smooth

        Christian extreminist… Being born black are two things people with low vocabulary say; when they think homosexuals are getting bashed. Black an Christians, you could have said any other race or group of people that follow homosexuality. Its goes to show bigots, hide their faces an can’t wait to use Christians an blacks as their examples. You can’t compare what blacks go through with homosexuals or Christian persecution with homosexuals. Hays run the world, so what are you talking about??? #Clown

        • Valri

          Yes you absolutely can compare what blacks and homosexuals go through, Klitius.

          Both are born exactly as they are, no choices are made, and both are persecuted because of it. You can’t stop being homosexual just as you can’t stop being black, and there is no reason you should WANT to not be either one. Bigotry is bigotry.

          • Klitius Smooth

            For one your not black, I am not sure if your gay; they are not the same. Name one job in the world that does not employ gays… I can name several jobs that don’t employee blacks. Gays are in all the high positions, alot of them are closet gays. Blacks we can make it to a high position; but it requires us to sell out our morals. You no nothing about that. You must forgot sergation was in the 60’s against blacks not gays. You must forgot if someone comes out the closet it celebrated. I would like you to give 5 comparisons of blacks an gays in the same issues. We blacks are not all criminals an angry people; but are portrayed like that in the social world. Church with blacks in it get unthinkable crimes that happened to it. With no solution to stop the next one. Before you open your mouth, try being black in America first.

          • Valri

            I don’t know where you live but where I live if you don’t employ blacks you are breaking the law and subject to the law.

            Segregation against blacks in the 60s but not gay people? Don’t make me laugh. Gay people have been driven to suicide because of the persecution they have faced from bigots, haters, and religious people.

            For every person who celebrates a person coming out of the closet, there are probably at least two who are horrified.

            You are not NEARLY in as different situations as you would like to think.

          • Klitius Smooth

            You must have never lived in Chicago, New York, Atlanta, or Texas.. What are you talking about; discrimination still goes on. You couldn’t even come up with five, you try to talk around it. If your black an gay that is only comparison argument you can make. You live in a small cubicle world, racial profiling still goes on. If a so called “thug”; moved in your neighborhood, people would complained compare to a gay couple. Homosexuals are a small percentage to the small minded American society; like everything else. Gay population is very huge. You may need to travel more; that corner you live in is not helping your perception. I can tell already; your one of those people that kisses the Pope hand, signal you worship him an call him father. A confuse Catholic; like the Muslims believe everything Master man tells you.

        • hamfish

          “Christian persecution OF homosexuals”. There you go, I fixed that for you.

          • Klitius Smooth

            Gays are favored than Christians, there I fix that for you to understand. People bash Christians for sticking with their beliefs. Around of Applause, for anything gays to. Bash us Christians all you want. I don’t hate anyone is gay. I have love for all. I just don’t agree with homosexuality, doesn’t make me a bad person. There is people who don’t agree to be Christian, they don’t get bashed. Why is it different if you don’t agree being gay. Some gays look for drama like you, to make themselves feel better. #Clown2

          • hamfish

            Being gay isn’t a “choice”. Being religious is. Its a choice borne out of a desire to have someone take away the doubts and uncertainties of life and to not be held accountable for your actions in this life. When you embrace the actual truth, that life arose by chance and has no purpose other than the ones we impose on it ourselves, you will realise how primitive the “Goddidit!” argument really is. You get one shot at it. When you die, you go in a box in the ground or you’re burned up in a furnace. You’ll not go to a fluffy la-la-land with golden haired angels playing harps, so knuckle down, enjoy yourself while you’re here, be nice to your fellow humans who all share the same fate as yourself, leave the world in a decent state for your kids and their kids and your memory will live on as being a decent person. That’s the closest to an “afterlife” you’re going to get.

          • Klitius Smooth

            You sound ignorant, being gay is a choice. How do people, chose not to being gay anymore. Religious im not, that is man separation. I love Jesus who is not religious; that is a choice. Them smirky lines, I hope you repent for all of them, those words get recorded. SMH…good luck on being blind

          • hamfish

            Yeah, I’ll take my chances there. I’ve said a lot worse.

    • afchief

      Once said he was a Christian, but shuns all things Christian.

      -. He is an ally of the Homosexual community and champions their struggle to defile marriage and gain rights that for all intent and purposes they have always had in the U.S.!

      -. He is a pro-abortion. He even once said in a speech if his daughter got pregnant as a teen he wouldn’t want her “punished with a baby” No mention or support of telling his daughter to obstain from sleeping around. (Because liberals don’t believe in abstinence or personal governance on such matters) His shiney new healthcare bill will one day make it easier for promiscuous teens and adults of all ages to sacrifice their kids on the alter of convenience.

      -. Will not speak with any Biblical morality and won’t even allow anything symbol remotely Christian around him. Not a speech or anywhere. When he spoke at Notre Dame they made sure and removed all Christian references near his majesty’s podium

      – Says he’s not a muslim however he schmoozes up to them in speeches and in actions. Was raised by muslims as a muslim. He addresses them in foreign countries in their native tongue and actively promotes legislation to win their approval.

      – He is hostile towards Israel. He scolds Israel for building housing in their own nation. That really says it all. He proposes to divide Jerusalem and he supports the Palestinians who are terrorists and never had a nation. EVER. NADA. NOTHING. The idea of a “Palestine” is a contemporary one. Israel however is an Ancient nation that has existed since 1000 A.D. They built Jerusalem. They had their own temple on the mount. It is theirs. Period. And lets not forget, God promises that anyone who curses Israel will be cursed. When Obama or any other President goes up against sovereignty of Israel or seeks to divide its land, they are against the word of God. I know that doesn’t scare Obama or his atheistic zombies who love him like Bill Maher. But just wait and see. It won’t go well for them or the citizens of this nation who actually elected this lemon!

      – He bows before world leaders. He’s the only US President in my lifetime that actually bows before other leaders. He bowed before that no good oil bandit who runs saudi Arabia. He was even caught on tape bowing before a local mayor if I’m not mistaken. Oh he won’t listen to millions of people who hated his healthcare proposals, but he bows and shows reverence to rich, pathetic, fellow narcissists.

      – He’s completely paralyzed from the waist down when it comes to foreign dictators who are hostile to our nation and our allies (if we have any these days) Iran does what it wants. N. Korea does what it wants. Venezuala does what it wants. If they decide to start a war, good luck counting on the US to act. Obama doesn’t care. Iran will get nukes. N. Korea has them and will probly use them. We’ve been down this road in history before. Evil prospers when good men do nothing. Well we’re not doing jack and well, the world will one day find itself once again at the mercy of some dictator if things continue. Maybe some other nation will elect a real leader who actually confronts evil. Perhaps America’s days of championing freedom are over?

      – He’s a Socialist/Communist. These are not just buzz words. They are not used as “fear tactics” that’s what he is. A pathetic Communist who has consolidated the Auto industry, and banking industry under the government and let’s not forget healthcare now. This never works. It’s not like Robin Hood. They don’t rob from the rich and give to the poor. They tax, tax, tax and when they get bored, they tax more. Socialism means bend over. I hate to be crass, but the middle class will be heavily raped by Socialism and big brother Communism in the US.

      • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EvidencefortheBible/ Galut1

        simply put … by his works he will be known

      • sandra-paquette-

        Well said, you covered all.

      • Phipps Mike

        “and he supports the Palestinians who are terrorists and never had a nation. EVER. NADA. NOTHING.”
        looks like you need to pick up a history book. The Palestinians owned that land FIRST. They didnt recognize God and therefore decided not to just give up their land without a fight. Obama was NOT raised as a Muslim. His dad died when he was little and his CHRISTIAN mom raised him. The middle class is being destroyed by the RICH, NOT the Govt. Why dont you come down to planet “reality”?.

        • Jim H

          ‘Why dont you come down to planet “reality”?’

          He can’t, because he’s delusional.

          • afchief

            Silly liberal leave the truth and facts to us Christian Tea Party Conservatives.

            Who IS This Guy? Part I

            By Donna Wasson

            OK, it’s August now and we had better wake up and get serious. The America we have always known and loved is dead. Well, nearly dead. Shocked? You shouldn’t be. Most living things die when abused and neglected for too long. Fortunately, there are rare circumstances in which something that has clinically died can be resuscitated if appropriate and aggressive action is taken within a very small window of time. Sometimes it’s too late.

            In the vast majority of situations, once something dies it stays that way. Its nature changes from being a vibrant, living, breathing entity to a preternaturally cold thing that stinks of rot and decay, never again to exhibit the beauty it once possessed. This precarious state between life and death is precisely where America stands today.

            It’s almost as if our Founding Fathers are hovering in spirit near the ceiling of the emergency room, looking down at the country they worked and fought so hard to give birth to, wondering why in the world we aren’t ‘doing something!’

            And there we the people stand, defibrillator paddles in hand, adrenalin syringe poised and ready to inject life back into its heart, shaking our head trying to wake up enough to comprehend the shaky balance between freedom and tyranny in front of us.

            Will we allow the patient to peacefully pass away, take off our gloves and wander down the hall to get coffee? Or will we shake ourselves out of our apathy and do absolutely everything we can to save this patient? Yes, it will take hard work. We might break a sweat and blood might have to be spilled, but are we willing to do whatever it takes to reignite that spark of life before it slips away forever?

            All of us must ask ourselves if this country, with the freedoms and prosperity we’ve always enjoyed, is worth the effort of saving. Our opportunity to restore America back to her previous glory is rapidly running out. What are we going to do? Do we care anymore?

            We foolishly, no make that stupidly, elected a full-fledged communist to be our President, simply because he was young, idealistic, relatively handsome and black, and due to the fawning of the liberal media, that man was literally christened the “Messiah” when he was elected in 2008. So America…how’s that ‘messiah’ working out for you?

            In our White House sits the most incredible fraud ever perpetrated on the American people because NO one knows who this guy is! We can’t get a straight answer from him about his past; where he was really born, what his grades were in Columbia, how in the heck could he be eligible for Harvard Law School, and on and on and on…It’s as if some puppet master manufactured an empty suit who stands in front of the microphones, chin raised arrogantly in the air, looking down his nose while he tells the American people lie after bald faced lie.

            HELLO?? Tap-tap Is this thing on?? This country is in serious, and I DO mean serious danger!

            Let’s take a look at our Marxist-in-Chief. Maybe I can tell you some things you weren’t aware of, and no, these are NOT conspiracy theories. They are proven facts. When one runs for President of the United States of America, it is customary for the American people to be given as much background on the candidate as possible; education, community involvement, religious views, childhood, friends and associates, etc. However, this basic information was withheld by Obama and covered up by the main stream liberal media when he was running for office.

            I’ll skip the, ‘Obama’s records are sealed’ business because ‘sealed’ suggests a court order and apparently there aren’t any court orders; he simply refuses to release his records. I do find it curious that there’s a ton of information and papers relating to Mr. Obama that has been ‘misplaced’ or is ‘missing’ and therefore not available for examination. Oh well…it obviously doesn’t matter.

            I must, however, mention that the ‘long form birth certificate’ the President finally furnished in April 2011, was overwhelmingly proven by several different, independent experts to be a forgery, and an amateurish one at that. Wonder why the media hasn’t picked up the ball on this and run with it…?

            We’ll begin with the light stuff and progress into the more serious issues that surround Mr. Obama. First of all, he is not African-American. Not even close. Barack Obama, Sr. was 1/8 black on his mother’s side, from the Luo tribe in Kenya, and of Arab ancestry on his father’s side. President Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, was white.

            Contrary to popular opinion, Obama is not the descendant of African slaves purchased by white American plantation owners. Due to his Arabic ancestry, it is much more likely he is a descendant of Arab slave traders. The Arabs have traded and owned slaves for many centuries and are involved in the underground slave market to this day.

            Here’s a funny little story you may enjoy from a radio excerpt on the web. Back when Mr. Obama was elected President, but before he was sworn in, a deejay named Mike from WRIF in Detroit, MI, placed a phone call to the Kenyan Ambassador to the United States, Peter Ogego, which was broadcast live. Here’s how the conversation went:

            Ogego: Hello?

            Mike: Is this Mr. Peter Ogego?

            Ogego: Yes, who is this please?

            Mike: Mr. Ambassador, this is Mike from WRIF radio in Detroit; just wanted to ask you a couple of questions. How are you?

            Ogego: Oh, I am fine, thank you.

            Mike: We just want to congratulate you on Barack Obama, our new President. You must be very proud.

            Ogego: We are, we really are. We are so proud of the United States for having made history as well.

            Mike: One more quick question: President elect Barack Obama’s birthplace over in Kenya, is that going to be a national spot to go visit where he was born?

            Ogego: It’s already an attraction. His paternal grandmother is still there.

            Mike: But his birthplace, they will put a marker there?

            Ogego: It will depend on the government. It is already well known.

            Mike: Oh, well thank you so much Mr. Ambassador for talking to us. Have a great day.

            Ogego: Thank you as well.

            That’s odd. You’d think the Kenyan Ambassador to the United States would know President elect Obama wasn’t born in Kenya; that there isn’t any ‘well known’ spot marking Obama’s place of birth in that country, wouldn’t you?? Did this guy slip up and spill some beans he wasn’t supposed to? Dang! We still don’t have a bona-fide copy of that pesky birth certificate! Oh well…it obviously doesn’t matter. Right?

            Then there is that small promotional booklet, written in 1991. It was produced by the literary agency, Acton and Dystel, who represented Mr. Obama at that time, and was meant to be distributed to political and business associates in the publishing industry. It read as follows:

            “Barack Obama, the 1st African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya (emphasis mine) and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University and worked as a financial journalist and editor for Business International Corporation. He served as project coordinator in Harlem for the New York Public Interest Research Group, and was Executive Director of the developing Communities Project in Chicago’s South Side. His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White.”

            The bios were approved by the individuals themselves before the booklet went to press, but how on earth the misstatement that he was born in Kenya was completely overlooked by Obama himself, as well as numerous secretaries, editors and the publishers is just beyond me! Maybe the Kenyan Ambassador to the U.S. told them. Oh well…it obviously doesn’t matter. Right?

            And you’ll find this just amazing! Mr. Obama, an unknown, unpublished author, was given a $100,000 advance to write Journeys in Black and White. How lucky is that? However, when that money ran out, and despite failing to produce the agreed upon manuscript, he requested and received ANOTHER $40,000 advance! But instead of finishing the book his publishers wanted, he went on to write the first of his two narcissistic autobiographies, Dreams from My Father.

            It’s like Mr. Obama had some fairy god-father sitting on his shoulder because deals like that don’t happen to unknown, unpublished writers. Ever. Really.

            Here’s another silly anecdote about Mr. Obama. While speaking at one of his fundraisers on March 30, 2007, he stated, “I was a constitutional law professor which means, unlike the current President, I actually respect the Constitution.” In reality, his real title at the University of Chicago was “senior lecturer,” not professor. Isn’t it ironic that he’s managed to nearly destroy the United States Constitution in the 3.5 short years he has been President? Guess he didn’t respect it after all. Oh well…it obviously doesn’t matter. Right?

            This is kind of interesting. Alan Hulton was a mailman from 1962 to 2001 in Glen Ellyn, Illinois. For ten years, he delivered the mail to the home of Tom and Mary Ayers, the parents of Bill Ayers, the domestic terrorist who co-founded the Weather Underground. This was a communist revolutionary group who conducted bombings of public buildings in the Washington D.C. area in the 1960’s.

            In a sworn affidavit, Mr. Hulton recalls a conversation he had with Mary Ayers. “She was enthusiastically talking to me about this young black student that they were helping out and she referred to him as a foreign student. She mentioned his name, but it was exotic and I didn’t remember it. I was taken aback by how enthusiastic she was about him.” When she referred to ‘helping’ this student, Mr. Hulton understood the Ayers’ were giving this individual financial assistance with his schooling.

            Within a year, Mr. Hulton met this person on the sidewalk in front of the Ayers home. He distinctly remembers this because the young man was a light skinned black fellow with ears that stuck out some. Even though he was neatly dressed in casual clothes, it was rather unusual to see a black man walking around that upscale neighborhood.

            The young man struck up a conversation with Hulton since they were both at the same house. The guy introduced himself and told Hulton he had taken the train out from Chicago to Glen Ellyn in order to, “thank the Ayers family personally for helping him with his education.” The mailman remembers his name was unusual.

            When Hulton asked him what his plans for the future were, he said, “I am going to be President of the United States.” Hulton states, “It came across like this was something that’s already been determined. I was speechless.” Hulton is positive that young man was Barack Obama. The ‘education’ the Ayers were helping him with was most certainly law school.

            So. Isn’t that special? A family famous for their communist ideology helps to finance Obama’s education. Oh well…guess it doesn’t matter. Right?

            In the book, The Manchurian President: Barack Obama’s Ties to Communists, Socialists and other Anti-American Extremists, by Aaron Klein and Brenda J. Elliott, the authors explain what Mr. Obama meant when he announced his plans to “fundamentally transform America.”

            “Barack Obama’s radical associations have an explicit, though publicly concealed agenda of ‘boring from within’ the American democratic and capitalist free enterprise system in order to weaken or destroy it. The radicals have learned well the tactics of concealing their true agenda, cloaking their policies in democratic and populist rhetoric, while admitting among themselves their profound hostility to the American system.”

          • Jim H

            Christian tea party conservative = Looney loon lunatic.

          • afchief

            Explain to me how being a Christian Tea party Conservative equals being a lunatic and I will show a study of a mental disorder we call the liberal cranium!!!!

          • Jim H

            Read some of your own posts.

          • afchief

            The truth always offends! Does it not?

          • Jim H

            That is the second time you’ve said that. You need some new material.

          • afchief

            I just couldn’t resist!!! The liberal mind is so funny!!!!

            Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., M.D. ‘‘The Liberal Mind The Psychological Causes of Political Madness’’ 2006

            pp 328-330:

            QUOTE

            The Values of the Liberal Mind

            Like all other human beings, the modern liberal reveals his true character, including his madness, in what he values and devalues, in what he articulates with passion. Of special interest, however, are the many values about which the modern liberal mind is not passionate: his agenda does not insist that the individual is the ultimate economic, social and political unit; it does not idealize individual liberty and the structure of law and order essential to it; it does not defend the basic rights of property and contract; it does not aspire to ideals of authentic autonomy and mutuality; it does not preach an ethic of self-reliance and self-determination; it does not praise courage, forbearance or resilience; it does not celebrate the ethics of consent or the blessings of voluntary cooperation. It does not advocate moral rectitude or understand the critical role of morality in human relating. The liberal agenda does not comprehend an identity of competence, appreciate its importance, or analyze the developmental conditions and social institutions that promote its achievement. The liberal agenda does not understand or recognize personal sovereignty or impose strict limits on coercion by the state. It does not celebrate the genuine altruism of private charity. It does not learn history’s lessons on the evils of collectivism.

            What the liberal mind is passionate about is a world filled with pity, sorrow, neediness, misfortune, poverty, suspicion, mistrust, anger, exploitation, discrimination, victimization, alienation and injustice. Those who occupy this world are ”workers,” ”minorities,” ”the little guy,” ”women,” and the ”unemployed.” They are poor, weak, sick, wronged, cheated, oppressed, disenfranchised, exploited and victimized. They bear no responsibility for their problems. None of their agonies are attributable to faults or failings of their own: not to poor choices, bad habits, faulty judgment, wishful thinking, lack of ambition, low frustration tolerance, mental illness or defects in character. None of the victims’ plight is caused by failure to plan for the future or learn from experience. Instead, the ”root causes” of all this pain lie in faulty social conditions: poverty, disease, war, ignorance, unemployment, racial prejudice, ethnic and gender discrimination, modern technology, capitalism, globalization and imperialism. In the radical liberal mind, this suffering is inflicted on the innocent by various predators and persecutors: ”Big Business,” ”Big Corporations,” ”greedy capitalists, ”U.S. Imperialists,” ”the oppressors,” ”the rich,” ”the wealthy,” ”the powerful” and ”the selfish.”

            The liberal cure for this endless malaise is a very large authoritarian government that regulates and manages society through a cradle to grave agenda of redistributive caretaking. It is a government everywhere doing everything for everyone. The liberal motto is ”In Government We Trust.” To rescue the people from their troubled lives, the agenda recommends denial of personal responsibility, encourages self-pity and other-pity, fosters government dependency, promotes sexual indulgence, rationalizes violence, excuses financial obligation, justifies theft, ignores rudeness, prescribes complaining and blaming, denigrates marriage and the family, legalizes all abortion, defies religious and social tradition, declares inequality unjust, and rebels against the duties of citizenship. Through multiple entitlements to unearned goods, services and social status, the liberal politician promises to ensure everyone’s material welfare, provide for everyone’s healthcare, protect everyone’s self-esteem, correct everyone’s social and political disadvantage, educate every citizen, and eliminate all class distinctions. With liberal intellectuals sharing the glory, the liberal politician is the hero in this melodrama. He takes credit for providing his constituents with whatever they want or need even though he has not produced by his own effort any of the goods, services or status transferred to them but has instead taken them from others by force.

            It should be apparent by now that these social policies and the passions that drive them contradict all that is rational in human relating, and they are therefore irrational in themselves. But the faulty conceptions that lie behind these passions cannot be viewed as mere cognitive slippage. The degree of modern liberalism’s irrationality far exceeds any misunderstanding that can be attributed to faulty fact gathering or logical error: Indeed, under careful scrutiny, liberalism’s distortions of the normal ability to reason can only be understood as the product of psychopathology. So extravagant are the patterns of thinking, emoting, behaving and relating that characterize the liberal mind that its relentless protests and demands become understandable only as disorders of the psyche. The modern liberal mind, its distorted perceptions and its destructive agenda are the product of disturbed personalities.

          • Jim H

            The presupposition for his research is: “My political views are so obviously correct that anyone who doesn’t accept them must be mentally ill;” in other words, he presupposes a right-wing political outlook and then tries to explain why other people do not accept this truth by mental illness.
            I see no science in anything he said.

        • afchief

          Wow! Another product of the indoctrination centers we call public schools. The Palestinians NEVER owned that land first. The Israels did!!! Read your bible!!!

          When it was discovered that his grandparents, were strong socialists who sent Obama’s mother to a socialist school where she was introduced to Frank Marshall Davis. He was later introduced to young Barrack Hussein Obama. People said it didn’t matter.

          When people found out that Barrack Hussein Obama was enrolled as a Muslim child in school and his father and stepfather were both Muslims, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he wrote in another book he authored “I will stand with them (Muslims) should the political winds shift in an ugly direction” people said it didn’t matter.

          When he admittedly, in his book, said he chose Marxist friends and
          professors in college– people said it didn’t matter.

          When he traveled to Pakistan, after college on an unknown national passport, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he sought the endorsement of the Marxist Party in 1996 as he ran for the Illinois Senate, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he sat in a Chicago Church for twenty years and listened to a preacher spew hatred for America and preach black liberation theology, people said it didn’t matter.

          When an independent Washington organization, that tracks Senate voting records, gave him the distinctive title as the “most liberal senator,” people said it didn’t matter.

          When the Palestinians in Gaza set up a fund raising telethon to raise money for his election campaign, people said it didn’t matter.

          When his voting record supported gun control, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he refused to disclose who donated money to his election campaign, as other candidates had done, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he received endorsements from people like Louis Farrakhan and Mummar Kadaffi and Hugo Chavez, people said it didn’t matter.

          When it was pointed out that he was a total newcomer and had absolutely no experience at anything except community organizing, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he chose friends and acquaintances such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who were revolutionary radicals, people said it didn’t matter.

          When his voting record in the Illinois senate and in the U.S. Senate came into question, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he refused to wear a flag, lapel pin, and did so only after a public outcry, people said it didn’t matter.

          When people started treating him as a messiah and children in schools were taught to sing his praises, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he stood with his hands over his groin area for the playing of the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he surrounded himself in the White house with advisors who were pro-gun control, pro- abortion, pro-homosexual marriage and wanting to curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition people said it didn’t matter.

          When he aired his views on abortion, homosexuality and a host of other issues, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he said he favors sex education in Kindergarten, including homosexual indoctrination, people said it didn’t matter.

          When his personal background was either scrubbed or hidden and nothing could be found about him, people said it didn’t matter.

          When the place of his birth was called into question, and he refused to produce a birth certificate, people said it didn’t matter. When he did
          produce it, it was an altered document.

          When he had an association in Chicago with Tony Rezco–a man of questionable character and who is now in prison and had helped Obama to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home people said it didn’t matter.

          When it became known that George Soros, a multi-billionaire Marxist, spent a ton of money to get him elected, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he started appointing White House Czars that were radicals,
          revolutionaries, and even avowed Marxist/Communist, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he stood before the Nation and told us that his intentions were to “fundamentally transform this Nation” into something else, people said it didn’t matter.

          When it became known that he had trained ACORN workers in Chicago and served as an attorney for ACORN, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he appointed cabinet members and several advisors who were tax cheats and socialists, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he appointed a Science Czar, John Holdren, who believes in forced abortions, mass sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he appointed Cass Sunstein as Regulatory Czar who believes in “Explicit Consent,” harvesting human organs without family consent, and allowing animals to be represented in court, while banning all hunting, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he appointed Kevin Jennings, a homosexual, and organizer of a group called gay, lesbian, straight, education network as Safe School Czar and it became known that he had a history of bad advice to teenagers, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he appointed Mark Lloyd, as Diversity Czar, who believes in curtailing free speech; taking from one and giving to another to spread the wealth; who supports Hugo Chavez, people said it didn’t matter.

          When Valerie Jarrett was selected as Obama’s Senior White House Advisor and she is an avowed Socialist, people said it didn’t matter.

          When Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher– and the person she turned to most for inspiration, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he appointed Carol Browner as Global Warming Czar, and her being a well known socialist working on Cap and Trade as the nations largest tax, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and avowed Communist as Green Energy Czar, who since had to resign when this was made known, people said it didn’t matter.

          When Tom Daschle, Obama’s pick for health and human services secretary could not be confirmed, because he was a tax cheat, people said it didn’t matter.

          When as President of the United States, he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he traveled around the world criticizing America and never once talking of her greatness, people said it didn’t matter.

          When his actions concerning the Middle-East seemed to support the
          Palestinians over Israel, our long time ally, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he took American tax dollars to resettle thousands of Palestinians from Gaza to the United States, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he upset the Europeans by removing plans for a missile defense system against the Russians, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he played politics in Afghanistan by not sending troops early-on when the Field Commanders said they were necessary to win, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he started spending us into a debt that was so big we could not pay it off, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he took a huge spending bill under the guise of stimulus and used it to pay off organizations, unions, and individuals that got him elected, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he took over insurance companies, car companies, banks, etc., people said it didn’t matter.

          When he took away student loans from the banks and put it through the government, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he designed plans to take over the health care system and put it under government control, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he claimed he was a Christian during the election and tapes were later made public that showed Obama speaking to a Muslim group and ‘stating’ that he was raised a Muslim; was educated as a Muslim; and that he is still a Muslim people said it didn’t matter.

          When he set into motion a plan to take over the control of all energy in the United States through Cap and Trade, people said it didn’t matter.

          When he finally completed his transformation of America into a Socialist State , people finally woke up— but it was too late.
          Add these up one by one and you get a phenomenal score that points to the fact that Barrack Hussein Obama is determined to turn America into a Marxist-Socialist society.

          • Josey

            Hit many nails on the head, no one can refute those for they came from Obama himself, great post!

          • Phipps Mike

            Obama is about the closest person you are going to find that is like Jesus. he stops at NOTHING to help the poor and wants to force rich snoots to share the wealth just as Jubilee was designated to.
            So you can be all racist all you want, I can smell your racism clear through the computer.
            You also seem to think that the Israelians DESERVE the land as according to God. The Canaans were atheists and since they owned the land first, (before they were called Palestinians because of the name change of the land), they didnt see it as ok that this imaginary sky wizard was trying to steal their land. Point being that a God who can NOT be proven should NOT have any bearing on land ownership by stealing.

          • afchief

            Wow! Another classic example of that mental disorder we call liberalism!!!

            Why Jesus would not vote for Barack Obama
            In February 2004, U.S. Senate candidate Barack Obama’s wife, Michelle, sent a fund-raising letter with the “alarming news” that “right-wing politicians” had passed a law stopping doctors from stabbing half-born babies in the neck with scissors, suctioning out their brains and crushing their skulls.
            Michelle called partial-birth abortion “a legitimate medical procedure,” and wouldn’t supporters please pay $150 to attend a luncheon for her husband, who would fight against “cynical ploy[s]” to stop it?
            But that’s not why Obama’s opponent Alan Keyes said Jesus Christ wouldn’t vote for him.
            Obama recalled Keyes’ statement in a recent USA Today opinion piece but omitted his reasoning. I know his reasoning, because I was there. As a nurse at an Illinois hospital in 1999, I discovered babies were being aborted alive and shelved to die in soiled utility rooms. I discovered infanticide. Legislation was presented on the federal level and in various states called the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. It stated all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted. BAIPA sailed through the U.S. Senate by unanimous vote. Even Sens. Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry agreed a mother’s right to “choose” stopped at her baby’s delivery. The bill also passed overwhelmingly in the House. NARAL went neutral on it. Abortion enthusiasts publicly agreed that fighting BAIPA would appear extreme. President Bush signed BAIPA into law in 2002.
            But in Illinois, the state version of BAIPA repeatedly failed, thanks in large part to then-state Sen. Barack Obama. It only passed in 2005, after Obama left. I testified in 2001 and 2002 before a committee of which Obama was a member. Obama articulately worried that legislation protecting live aborted babies might infringe on women’s rights or abortionists’ rights. Obama’s clinical discourse, his lack of mercy, shocked me. I was naive back then. Obama voted against the measure, twice. It ultimately failed. In 2003, as chairman of the next Senate committee to which BAIPA was sent, Obama stopped it from even getting a hearing, shelving it to die much like babies were still being shelved to die in Illinois hospitals and abortion clinics.
            (As chair of that same committee, Obama once abruptly ended a hearing early, right before Scott and Janet Willis, the parents of six children killed as a result of Illinois’ drivers licenses for bribes scandal, were to testify in favor of Choose Life license plate legislation. I was there for that one, too. The Willises had traveled three hours. Reporters filled the room. Obama stalled. He later killed the bill when no one was around.) So, the reason Keyes said Jesus Christ wouldn’t vote for Barack Obama was because of Obama’s fanatical support of abortion to the point of condoning infanticide. I have framed on my wall a Chicago Sun-Times cartoon published during the campaign. Obama is holding a sign with “LIVE BIRTH ABORTION” on it. God is reaching down from heaven to a baby in front of Obama, and the baby is reaching up to God. Obama is yelling at God, “You keep out of this!”

            In his USA Today opinion piece, Obama admitted being “nagged” by the Jesus-wouldn’t-vote-for-him statement, but only because he wished he’d given a different comeback. Obama insinuated opposition to abortion is based only on religion, lecturing pro-lifers like me to “explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.” I don’t recall mentioning religion when I testified against live-birth abortion. I only recall describing a live aborted baby I held in a hospital soiled utility room until he died, and a live aborted baby who was accidentally thrown into the trash. Neither do I recall religion being brought into the partial-birth abortion ban debate. I recall comparisons made to U.S. laws ensuring animals being killed are treated humanely. I recall testimony that late-term babies feel excruciating pain while being aborted. Obama stated pro-life proposals must be “amenable to reason.” OK, Sen. Obama, let’s reason. Explain why you support abortion for whatever rationale, at whatever gestation, by whatever means. Explain why you support infanticide, if banning it might interfere with abortion. Then, since you brought it up, explain how, despite all that, you think Jesus should vote for you, either now or in the hereafter, particularly given His statement, “It would be better to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around the neck than to face the punishment in store for harming one of these little ones.”

          • MinisterKarl

            Phipps YOU blaspheme against GOD calling any man like Jesus. Know you not that ALL religions are made by men for man,…. for power control and wealth…? Each and every religion is led by satan the devil, the deceiver. study some history of the Palestine people, they where an arab nomadic tribe from the Syrian region, they never owned land and never possessed land actually, that is historical fact.. what is considered ‘Palestine land’ is actually jewish land. What will you say if the migrants flowing into America want to form their own country inside the USA…? then you will cry foul won’t you? Read the bible and study it, you may find many things that may open your eyes …Shalom

          • Phipps Mike

            Really? blaspheme? I gave the thing that makes Obama in COMMON with Jesus ie….”he stops at NOTHING to help the poor and wants to force rich snoots to share the wealth just as Jubilee was designated to.”
            I didnt say Obama was supernatural or needed worshipped. Take a chill pill. The existence of God was NOT made by man so religion is not either. The BIBLE was WRITTEN by man and yea, added some of his OWN ideas…agreed.
            “, they where an arab nomadic tribe from the Syrian region, they never
            owned land and never possessed land actually, that is historical fact..”
            ever hear of “squatters rights”? That concept held true across the world .By your reasoning, NOBODY EVER owned ANY land. Nobody BOUGHT land…they just squatted and TOOK it.
            ” What will you say if the migrants flowing into America want to form their own country inside the USA.” the palestinians, aka “Canaans” didnt come into Jewish land. The Canaanites were there FIRST. THAT is a fact.

          • http://www.godsaveme2.com MinisterKarl

            Hi Phipps, the pope and papacy also appear to be advocating giving to the poor, however in truth they are satan’s church of old, its mere deception, one of many. Govt leaders (amongst any others) in most countries have wickedly brilliant PR people whose sole function it is to manipulate the masses into believing whatever they wish and are mostly very successful. The world media is a perfect example of this instrument. Look at Putin, he invades a sovereign state and is hailed as a great leader because he ‘rescues’ Russian citizens from being ‘persecuted’ .Look at R Mugabe, a evil dictator who has run the ‘breadbasket country’ into ruins, where a loaf of bread costs millions of zim dollars. SO you advocate ‘squatters rights’, well great allow a man to rent a room in your home, then he stops paying, brings in a family of 20 to take over every room in your house and will you give him your house? You must have immense kindness. There are hundreds of thousands of homeless poor people you and Obama can assist with their plight and destitute states of poverty…
            Lets get back to matters I truly care about, the bible. It is GODs holy word, infallible and true. The bible was written by GOD, (this corrects your worldly error which many many have) He teaches that His Holy Spirit moved men to write certain things which form the bible, therefore it is a perfect book right from the mouth of GOD, thus EVERY word in the bible is from the mouth of God in the original tongue. Glad to share and shalom.

          • Phipps Mike

            you obviously missed the most important part of squatters rights. It only works when you occupy land that has nobody residing there. This was the case with the Canaanites. The land they came to was unoccupied, As I said before (twice) they were there FIRST (before the Israelians).
            “The bible was written by GOD,”…. God didnt WRITE anything, God is a spirit, he is NOT physical, this is why he commanded man to write it FOR him. They just added some things for their own convenience.

          • ogail

            Brother I can never say it any better, God bless you for this analysis

          • sandra-paquette-

            Right on! I remember reading all this. I can remember some but, not all in order to write it all down. Well done. And Obama’s actions have certainly spoken louder than words.

          • MinisterKarl

            well said. Obama is just a pawn like millions more. Palestine is an immense deception, the Palestine arab group of people used to live in the Syrian region and where like travelling nomads which was common thousands of years ago, they never where a nation, nor did they ever possess land. this is historical fact, It is just another one of those evil ploys where satan play one religion against another to cause strife, Satan knows in the last days there will also come many to His kingdom from the jewish nation, not just the world, when they turn to Jesus Christ, who is GOD, for salvation and mercy.

        • ogail

          WOW! how interesting, perhaps i need to ask for the source of your history. I am a story student as well but never came across your perspective of history. may be you need to double check the source of your information.

          Obuma NOT raised as a Muslim???? many people who know him well will disagree with you. How would you convince some one that he has never attended “madrasa” (Islamic school usually used to indoctrinate children from Muslim families) this guy is not what tells people. He is part of those who are destroying this world.

          Do you have any idea that the rich control the government and policies at the expense of the poor and the middle class

          • Phipps Mike

            “this guy is not what tells people. He is part of those who are destroying this world.”
            paranoid conspiracy theorist!
            I suppose you believe in chemtrails and the NWO too. You lost all credibility. You don’t KNOW Obama personally and you weren’t THERE to know if he says who he is or not.

          • ogail

            lost credibility?? I supposed you would present facts which are logical enough to dismiss my points of view. but since your dismiss ion is based of assumption, it does not account to lost of credibility. I have never sat at a table for lunch with him (if he gives me an offer i would turn it down LOL), I have not yet gone to ‘Jumbo’ or swimming pool with him but that does not make me ignorant about his background and who he rely is. For you to proof your credibility, you should have crushed down the three points using logic and prove me otherwise. but failure to do so proofs your incredibility instead.

      • Tyler Mitchell

        Obama is an universalist just as the last two popes and the current one is, Bush Jr,Clinton,and Bush were/are.Obama also went to a “church” where it’s leader has said Jews are American blacks…Jesus was a palestinian black…the American Bible found in churches is the white mans book and is of lies…and the quran is a holy book and should be believed.You shall know them by their fruit.

      • Patrick Gildea

        are muslims pro abortion and pro gay marriage?. I think not.

        • afchief

          Are Muslims permitted to lie? I think so!!!

    • Jackie Gallegos

      Why does Catholicism always come into a discussion in a derogatory way? I am Catholic and do not believe that Islam is the worship of God. They believe in Allah. Not our Christian God. JUDGE NOT LEST YOU BE JUDGED! You can’t lump all Catholics in your statement. We have our beliefs and Islam have theirs. I don’t believe Obama is religious. He’s too much in love with himself to be able to bow to any God. Please quit with your derogatory comments of Catholics. You are not God to judge.

      • Phipps Mike

        ” They believe in Allah”
        Allah is the Islamic word for “God”, which is the SAME Abrahamic God that Christians worship. People in here need to do their research.

        • Tyler Mitchell

          How in the heck can be the Islamic “god” be the same as the God of Abraham when the their “holy book” says they worship a false God.How in the heck can Christians worship the same “God” when Christians believe Yeshua was in fact God in flesh and Islam says that is demon worship.Yes someone needs to do “research” and pick up a book and read it.What a novel idea,huh?You do understand god/God is a broad term,right?

          • Phipps Mike

            God has NEVER been flesh. What Bible are YOU reading? God has ALWAYS been a spirit. Jesus was a SEPARATE entity when he was flesh and didnt become part of the trinity until he was resurrected. You are just as racist against Muslims as the other kooks in here by claiming to know their religion when you dont know jack.

          • skoomz

            Are you for real

          • hamfish

            “All the gods are false. Faith itself is idolatry”. Iain Banks: The Crow Road. Never a truer word written.

          • Shirley Kelly

            Iain Banks is an idiot….and probably demon possessed.

          • hamfish

            The irony, so delicious.

        • skoomz

          Your ready for the anti christ with that mentality…there book states that there is no other god but allah and its a blasphemy to say he has a son…not trying to be rude but you got to test the spirts

          • Phipps Mike

            its the SAME God, regardless. You can believe in God and at the same time not believe in Jesus as the messiah. What do you think the Jews believe?

          • skoomz

            Its not the same god the jews worship God the christians worship God, jesus and the Holy Spirit (3 in one) the Muslims worship allah (he has no son) do you need more info?

          • Phipps Mike

            The Jews agree that Jesus existed. They dont see him as the messiah though because they dont believe in immaculate conception. The Muslims also believe Jesus existed but not as a messiah. Allah is the Muslim word for “God”. They believe in the Abrahamic God just like Christians do, they just dont believe in the trinity. That does not make it a “different” God just because he would not be a trinity.

          • skoomz

            Yes my friend this is the messiah setup aka the anti christ

          • Phipps Mike

            I dont want you to take this as an insult, but you have a big problem with writing the English language. Your thoughts are incomplete. The way you wrote your reply actually contradicts what you are actually trying to say. Not believing that Jesus is the messiah would be more in line with being an anti-christ. You have it so it looks like
            having a messiah is anti-christ like. God, himself, is the IMPORTANT one here, Jesus is not needed for one to believe in the Abrahamic God.

          • skoomz

            See above lol

          • hamfish

            Well, since that’s made up nonsense too, I’ll take my chances.

          • skoomz

            As long as you dont take his mark name or number its on you

        • FoJC_Forever

          Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as well as the Father of the LORD Jesus (the) Christ. Muhammad was a false prophet and Islam is centered on him.

          • Phipps Mike

            see my reply to “afchief” below. You are wrong.

          • FoJC_Forever

            You are in error and Darkness. You have rejected the Truth and have embraced a lie.

            Your comments only do one thing, they show that you don’t have a relationship with Jesus, who is the Son of God, the Living Word of God, who is God.

            I suspect, given you stubborn and self-reliant nature, that you will hold to your error until your body does and you stand before God in Judgement. That will not be a good day for you.

        • afchief

          That is a lie! Allah is a moon god. It is NOT the same god as our God, Jesus Christ.

          • Phipps Mike

            “Some of the biggest misconceptions that many non-Muslims have about Islam have to do with the word “Allah.” For various reasons, many people have come to believe that Muslims worship a different God than Christians and Jews. This is totally false, since “Allah” is simply the Arabic word for “God” – and there is only One God.
            Let there be no doubt – Muslims worship the God of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus – peace be upon them all. However, it is certainly true that Jews, Christians and Muslims all have different concepts of Almighty God. For example, Muslims – like Jews – reject the Christian beliefs of the Trinity and the Divine Incarnation. This, however, does not mean that each of these three religions worships a different God – because, as we have already said, there is only One True God. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all claim to be “Abrahamic Faiths”, and all of them are also classified as “monotheistic.” However, Islam
            teaches that other religions have, in one way or another, distorted and
            nullified a pure and proper belief in Almighty God by neglecting His true
            teachings and mixing them with man-made ideas.

            First of all, it is important to note that “Allah” is the same word that Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews use for God. If you pick up an Arabic Bible, you will see the word “Allah” being used where “God”
            is used in English. This is because “Allah” is a word in the Arabic language equivalent to the English word “God” with a capital “G”. Additionally, the word “Allah” cannot be made plural, a fact which goes hand-in-hand with the Islamic concept of God…………

            Before concluding… there are some people out there, who
            are obviously not on the side of truth, that want to get people to believe that “Allah” is just some Arabian “god”[1], and
            that Islam is completely “other” – meaning that it has no common roots with the other Abrahamic religions (i.e. Christianity and Judaism). To say that Muslims worship a different “God” because they say “Allah” is just as illogical as saying that French people worship another God because they use the word “Dieu”,that Spanish-speaking people worship a different God because they say “Dios” or that the Jews worship a different God because they sometimes call Him “Yahweh.”
            Certainly, reasoning like this is quite ridiculous! It should also be
            mentioned, that claiming that any one language uses the only the correct word for God is tantamount to denying the universality of God’s message to mankind,which was to all nations, tribes and people through various prophets who spoke different languages.

            We would like to ask our readers about the motives of
            these people? The reason is that the Ultimate Truth of Islam stands on solid ground and its unshakeable belief in the Unity of God is above reproach. Due to this, Christians can’t criticize its doctrines directly, but instead fabricate things about Islam that aren’t true so that people lose the desire to learn more. If Islam were presented in the proper way to the world, it surely might make many people reconsider and re-evaluate their own beliefs. It is quite likely that when they find out that there is a universal religion in the world that teaches people to worship and love God, while also practicing Pure Monotheism, would at least feel that they should re-examine the basis for their own beliefs and doctrines.”

            http://www.islamreligion . com/articles/195/who-is-allah/

          • afchief

            Let me repeat what I just said. THAT IS A LIE!!!!!!

            Muslims do not speak of God as their heavenly Father. In the Islamic faith, Allah is not only a different name for god; the deity it designates is far more impersonal than the God of the Bible. Father—the very name that Jesus gave us as the designated name for use in prayer—is a name that simply does not fit Allah as depicted in the Quran.

            Furthermore, Muslims claim that Allah has no son. This represents a head-on collision between the God of the Bible and Allah. For, as the Bible makes clear, the one and only true God is most perfectly revealed as the Father of the Son, Jesus Christ. In the Gospel of John, Jesus repeatedly teaches that no one has truly known the Father, except by the Son. In one of the most clarifying verses in the New Testament, Jesus declared Himself to be “the way, and the truth, and the life,” adding, “No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6).

            Because Muslims deny that God has a son, they explicitly reject any Trinitarian language. From the very starting point, Islam denies what Christianity takes as its central truth claim: the fact that Jesus Christ is the only begotten of the Father. If Allah has no son, then Allah is not the God who reveals Himself through the Son. How then can calling God “Allah” not lead to anything but confusion—and worse?

            Islam teaches that the doctrine of the Trinity is blasphemous. But the Christian faith is essentially and irreducibly Trinitarian. The Bible reveals that the Father is God, that the Son is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. Jesus is not merely a prophet, as acknowledged by Muslims, He is God in human flesh. This is precisely what Islam rejects.

            The Trinitarian language is the language of the Bible, and it is essential to Christianity. Indeed, the Christian faith points to Christ and announces that we can only know the Father through the Son. Confusing the God of the Bible with Allah of the Quran is not only a mistake, it is a dangerous distortion of the Gospel of Christ.

            The Trinitarian nature of God is embedded within the Great Commission. Jesus tells His disciples to go into the world and make disciples of all nations and to baptize them “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19). Christians are those who bear the names of God even in our baptism, and those names are Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

            This has become a matter of significant controversy in recent years as some Christians, including some serving with mission agencies, have argued that Christians can use the name “Allah” in talking about God. In some languages, especially those based on an Arabic source, there is no generic word for god. In such a situation, it might be necessary to begin a conversation by using this word, but the Christian cannot continue to call God “Allah.” It is hard to imagine that anyone can hear the name “Allah” without thinking of him as claimed in the Quran (see following article). Indeed, Muslims who speak languages other than Arabic use “Allah” as the name of god. But as soon as the Christian begins to explain that the true living God is the Father of Jesus Christ the Son, the Christian is making clear that the true living God is not Allah, but our Heavenly Father.

            Continuing to use the name “Allah” to refer to the God of the Bible in such situations invites deep confusion. Some now argue that Muslims who come to faith in Christ can even remain within the mosque and continue to worship God as Allah. It is hard to see how that is anything other than a theological disaster.

            We can now see that the name of God is no small matter. The deity we name is the God we believe in. Christians believe in only one God, and He is the Father who sent the Son to save us from our sins. Allah has no son, and, thus, Christians cannot know God as Allah. In this light, Muslims and Christians do not only use different names for God; in reality, these different names refer to different gods.

            God takes His name with great seriousness, and so must we. Thankfully, we are not left in the dark, groping for adequate language. God has revealed His names to us, so that we can rightly know Him. We are not called to be clever or creative in referring to God, only faithful and accurate.

            We are living in challenging days. One of the most pressing challenges of our times is the task of speaking rightly about God. This is particularly challenging when Christians encounter Muslims, but it is also a challenge when Christians encounter secular people in Western cultures. But this really isn’t a new challenge. It was the same challenge faced by the children of Israel as they encountered the Canaanites, and the same challenge faced by the Apostle Paul at Mars Hill.

            Our challenge is to speak truthfully about God, and the only way we can do that is to use the names God gave Himself. The God of the Bible is not Allah, and Allah is not the God of the Bible. Any confusion about that undermines the very Gospel we preach.

          • Phipps Mike

            “Because Muslims deny that God has a son,”
            absolutely incorrect. They believe Jesus lived but they dont believe he is a messiah, The only thing you are right about is that they dont believe in the trinity. Thus once again putting a monkey wrench in everything else you said after that quote. The Old Testament is IN THE QURAN just as it is in the Jewish bible. I dont care what you THINK you know, The fact is that they worship the ABRAHAMIC God, Notice my source was directly from an ISLAMIC page! So even THEY claim its the same God. Now why would they do that if they really didnt believe that? You seriously need to get off your religious centric bigotry horse and grow up.

          • hamfish

            Judaism, Islam and Christianity all worship the same deity. A deity, I may add, that does not exist. NEXT!

      • Tyler Mitchell

        Obama is an universalist just as the last two popes and the current one is, Bush Jr,Clinton,and Bush were/are.Obama also went to a “church” where it’s leader has said Jews are American blacks…Jesus was a palestinian black…the American Bible found in churches is the white mans book and is of lies…and the quran is a holy book and should be believed.

      • skoomz

        Come out of the whore (Catholic Church ) with its idols and false prophets (pope)

        • Jackie Gallegos

          I am a Catholic born and bred. And you need to have your mouth washed out with soap. You know nothing about the Catholic Church. You are a terrible blight on Christianity. May God bless you

          • skoomz

            Ok sure believe the lie but you have been told

          • Shirley Kelly

            Agreed.

          • skoomz

            Sry jackie i was using bible wordage there look all im trying to point out that the pope is chosen by god in your faith so is the false prophet chosen by god…im not trying to upset you im just informing

        • Shirley Kelly

          And pedophiles.

          • hamfish

            Plenty of baptist paedos too.

      • FoJC_Forever

        I’m not Judging anyone. Judgement is action against someone for a sin they have or are committing. Catholics, and other false religious groups masquerading as Christians, do judge others all the time.

        God has already declared Catholicism a false religion. I simply believe and agree with Him.

        • Jackie Gallegos

          Where did God declare Catholicism is a false religion?

          • FoJC_Forever

            If you really wanted to know that, then you wouldn’t be a Catholic. You don’t want to know the Truth.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            What’s the matter? Can’t answer the question? “Where did God declare that Catholicism is a false religion”? Come on, you think you know everything there is to know about the bible, Where is it?

          • FoJC_Forever

            Ah, the deceptive phrase: “… you think you everything there is to know about the Bible…”

            Your innuendo is that I must provide you with the information you’re demanding, or I’m declaring I don’t actually know the Scriptures. You’re making a pocket to instill the lie – create doubt – that Catholicism is Christianity.

            You don’t actually care about the Scriptures and what the Holy Spirit teaches through them. You only care about making your false religion, which is a deceptive masquerade, look like it is Christianity. You’re also trying to make yourself look like your care about the Scriptures. One deception after another. This doesn’t surprise me though, since you are deceived, you are deceiving.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            It’s not an “innuendo”. The innuendo is that you made the comment that God said Catholics were not Christians. Answer my question. Where did God make this statement. How do you know if I care about the Scriptures or not? It seems to me that you are the one that does not actually care about the Scriptures. You are the making ridiculous comments that you can’t back up. I am not deceived; you are being deceived by Satan; the great deceiver. Since you are declaring you don’t actually know the Scriptures, where are you getting your lies from? Maybe you should start reading the Bible and then you can make factual statements.

          • FoJC_Forever

            The words of Jesus as recorded in the Scriptures are filled with all the written evidence needed to know that Catholics aren’t Christians. The reality is that you don’t actually want to know the Truth.

            Not only do I have the Scriptures which warned of the advent of the murderous and paganistic Catholics, I also have the witness of the Holy Spirit.

          • Valri

            Jackie is right, your posts are hateful and disgusting and should be removed.

          • FoJC_Forever

            No, but I’m sure she’ll try to use her Catholicism to pressure others to remove the Truth. This is one of the things Catholics do well. They demand others acknowledge them as being something they are not and use social, political, and financial pressures to promote their Lie.

          • Shirley Kelly

            They are not. They are trurh.

          • Valri

            FoJC_Forever lies about many things, including his fellow Christians the Catholics.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            Just tell me where in the Bible God said Catholics are not Christians. You’re the one who made statement; now you can’t back up your statement. Come on, just tell me where it is in the Bible so that I can look it up myself.

          • FoJC_Forever

            If you wanted to know the Truth, you would see it in Scripture. The reality is that you want to believe in your dead religion.

        • Jackie Gallegos

          FoJC_forever: I think you should change your user ID. You no more represent Jesus than the whole islam religion together. You are making a mockery of Jesus, misquoting Him at every turn. Please do no further harm to Jesus. He is watching you, mr. know-it-all

          • FoJC_Forever

            God is “watching” everyone. In fact, God already knows everything that everyone is ever going to do, say, and think.

            I have never claimed to know everything. Only God knows every thing.

            Catholicism is a lie and mocks God with it’s very existence.

        • Bill

          Yep…..

        • Jackie Gallegos

          Where, exactly did God declare Catholicism a false religion? Are you one of the “individuals” that is in contact with God?

        • Valri

          Catholics are Christians, and in fact the earliest ones, and if you disagree with that then you are a moron. Sorry, but that’s basic history.

          • FoJC_Forever

            It’s nothing but a lie presented by pagans masquerading as Christians. The world believes them, because the world is in Darkness and only honors those who are also in Darkness.

            Follow Jesus, find Truth.

          • Shirley Kelly

            Jesus Bless you. Stay strong in Him.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      I agree with almost everything you say here, Sir – on this and numerous other points you make. But, please do not lump ALL Catholics in with Obama: half of them voted Obama just like about half of non-Catholics. Half of them did not, just as you and I could not.

      I am blessed to share the sidewalk in front of an abortion mill with 50% Catholics, in a city of less than 10% Catholics. These men and women are some of the most courageous, faithful, and dedicated people you will ever meet. There are priests and nuns out there, too, but a disappointing lack of non-Catholic evangelical pastors – to their eternal shame. No one stands in front of an abortion mill to feel good about themselves – that is the front line in the spiritual war in America. The demonic activity surrounding that position is unreal – which is why there are so few Christians out there in the first place!

      The strongest pro-life group in our city is also Catholic, but we have a GREAT non-Catholic crisis pregnancy center with good support from a minority of non-Catholic and Catholic churches. While I disagree with much of Catholic doctrine, I submit that it might be preferable to just call Obama what he is: the most anti-Christian president our country could ever imagine, much less have. The Catholics that I fight with cannot STAND the man, and Obama has gone after their church’s religious freedoms as much or more than any, while many non-Catholic churches have totally caved to apostasy. I mean, Obama even went after the Sisters of the Poor! It takes a lot of demonic activity in that man to attack nuns who give up everything to serve the poor.

      So, with all due respect to the 99.9% of everything else that you post that I agree with, I pray you will consider the possibility that there are faithful Catholics to the Lord Jesus Christ too. God bless you, and thanks for hearing me out.

      • FoJC_Forever

        Catholics aren’t Christian. They never have been Christians. This is Truth. Their history and doctrine is all the proof that is needed to know this, but the LORD will also enlighten those who do not have access to the specifics of what they teach and have done over the centuries.

        Being anti-abortion doesn’t make someone a follower of Jesus (the) Christ. There are many people who adamantly oppose abortion, but do not know the LORD. Giving Catholics, or anyone, a “free pass” concerning the Word and Will of God just because they oppose abortion is foolish.

        Spiritual battles are not fought with natural weapons – of any kind. Catholics, and other religious people who do not have the Spirit of God, do not fight spiritual battles against Darkness. They may fight, but it’s only a fight that makes them look good to others, not one which has the power to over come Evil.

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          Thank you very much for your reply! Our differences are small – but still make an excellent discussion. A few questions come to mind.

          So a Catholic who places her trust in the Lord Jesus Christ alone is not a Christian?

          I agree with you that being anti-abortion does not make one a Christian. I was anti-abortion the last 13 years of my atheism – this is proof of what you say. I am not giving anyone a salvation pass because they are anti-abortion. BUT, it IS an indicator of something good going on in that person’s life.

          However, it is because some love Jesus SO much, that they have the courage to stand on the sidewalk in front of an abortion mill. (Where so few Christians are willing to EVER stand, to our eternal shame.) Speaking out against abortion – in a variety of ways and contexts including praying and supporting crisis pregnancy centers, etc – is that not one potential fruit of those who have undergone significant sanctification? Can a person actually be a Christian of any sort, actually be indwelt by the Holy Spirit, if they remain silent on such a holocaust against the most vulnerable in our world?!? (Not pointing at you – you have NOT remained silent on this issue, for which I thank you!)

          I have lost many family members – close ones – and friends too, for speaking out against abortion. I take Jesus at His Word (Matthew 5:10-12) that this is a blessing that I should rejoice in. It would seem to me that being anti-abortion is not a sufficient indicator of salvific effect, as you most correctly have stated, but a necessary one. I also share the Gospel of “by Grace through faith not works” (Ephesians 2:8-9) to all people I meet, Catholics and otherwise, to make certain that works-righteousness is NOT part of the equation. I was once more anti-Catholic than you are – soon after my conversion – this I can promise you. (Part of that may have been from reading the Left Behind series. :-))

          “Spiritual battles are not fought with natural weapons”

          What natural weapons are you referring to, Sir?

          Finally, can you please explain to me why the Abortion President, the most anti-Christian leader this country has ever suffered under, is spending so much time persecuting conservative Catholics, and ignoring so many apostate non-Catholics, if there is zero truth in Catholicism? I believe it is because Conservative Catholics take the Sanctity of Life and Marriage seriously, as seriously as you and I do.

          Can you think of anything else I am missing here? I appreciate your thoughts and value your feedback. Thanks again for your great comments!

          • FoJC_Forever

            They wouldn’t be Catholic if they were following Jesus (the) Christ.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            Let me tell you why Catholics are followers of Jesus: Read Matthew: 16 vs 13-19: PETER’S CONFESSION ABOUT JESUS: When Jesus went into the region of Caesarea Phillippi, he asked his disciples “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” They replied, “some say John the Baptist, others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets”. He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter said in reply, “you are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God.” Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of the netherworld (hell) shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven”. PETER WAS THE FIRST POPE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. POPE FRANCIS IS HIS SUCCESSOR. This is also where confession came to be. Catholics are the original Christians. No matter what you say, this is indisputable.

          • FoJC_Forever

            The Apostle Peter was not a pope. That is a Catholic lie. The Church isn’t built upon the Apostle Peter, but upon the knowledge revealed to individuals by God, about God. Those who want to know God will know God because God will reveal Himself to them.

            Catholicism is a pagan religion masquerading as Christianity.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            Do you ever read the Bible or do you skim through it? What makes you an authority on Catholicism? This is not a Catholic lie. Check out the St. James bible if you don’t like the Catholic bible. You are trapped in a web of deceit perpetrated by the devil. Did you read the passage above that I outlined for you or you too busy pointing fingers to take the time to educate yourself on the truth of the bible. Who are these individuals that God has revealed himself to; besides the Apostles, that is. You sound incredibly out-of-it. Are you on dope? Read the passage. Are you calling Jesus a liar?

          • FoJC_Forever

            The taunting, the berating, the innuendo, all signs of the false spirits which use you to perpetrate the lie that Catholicism is Christianity.

            Only those who know Jesus (the) Christ will know the Truth. Those who know the Truth will not follow false religions. Catholicism isn’t the only one, but it is certainly one of the largest.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            The Apostle was the first pope. You can deny it till you turn green, but that’s not going to change the truth. The Catholic Church IS built on St. Peter. You can’t back your statements up because you are being deceived by satan, the great deceiver. Just keep up your obstinancy and you will be judged accordingly at the end of time.

          • FoJC_Forever

            The Truth is the Church is built upon the revelation that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. The Truth is that Catholics are one of the religious sects warned against by Jesus and the first Apostles. The Truth is that you don’t care about Truth, just your dead, meaningless, pagan religion which is masquerading as Christianity.

          • Jackie Gallegos

            You should practice what you preach: “Just because a person has information, doesn’t mean they have Truth”. This describes you to a “T”.Judge not lest you be judged.

          • FoJC_Forever

            That Truth applies to everyone. Including the false information that you hold about Catholics being Christians, followers of Jesus (the) Christ.

            I’m not judging anyone. You are still embracing the wrong definition of what it means to judge, according to Scripture, which is the context in which Jesus spoke.

    • Desertcatn

      Obama is a Marxist chameleon.

      • hamfish

        Now he’s a lizard? He looks like a mixed race human to me. And as far as him being a marxist. Do some f***ing research before you talk out of your arse.

        • Desertcatn

          Maybe you should do the same.

  • Josefina dela Cuadra

    im not a bit surprised by his assertions on christianity. he is not a christian in the first place, let alone a practicing one. i just hope everyone will just dismiss his opinion as it is..an opinion or a view and had to be taken in stride/carefully pondering what he is saying

    • Dave_L

      We cannot follow Jesus without practicing the Sermon on the Mount. Wouldn’t you agree???

      • Jennifer Coutlee

        We can not follow Jesus if we pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow! It’s all or nothing! Stop being lukewarm Christians and stand on your knees!

        • Dave_L

          So do you agree, we cannot ignore the Sermon on the Mount in our daily lives and actually be a Christian?

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            So do you agree we cannot ignore Dave_L in our daily lives and actually be a broken record a broken record a broken record a broken reco

          • Dave_L

            You can ignore me all you want. I would rather not debate. But as long as I can preach Christ’s message, I’m on top.

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            You are shouting the same thing over and over like an unreasoning animal.

          • supernova

            That’s because he is one.

          • Dave_L

            Name calling in place of Scripture as your defense?

          • Dave_L

            So far we haven’t any Scripture from anyone to refute Jesus’ demands for non-violence. Only name calling.

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            Your own words are not true on account of being repeated, nor on account of being repeated, nor on account of being repeated, nor on account of not being comprehensively refuted. Fools spout all kinds of rubbish continually and are not refuted because they are fools, not because they have grasped the truth. The fool rants and rants and there is no peace.

          • Dave_L

            You are saying the Sermon on the Mount is not true because I keep focusing attention on it? You are not in a good position.

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            Nobody can accept your views, because you cannot see clearly. I believe it is because of the log in your eye, but you believe there is no problem.

          • Dave_L

            So do you agree, we cannot ignore the Sermon on the Mount in our daily lives and actually be a Christian?

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            You are ignoring the sermon on the mount and throwing your pearls before swine. How can you actually be a Christian?

          • Dave_L

            Who are the swine I’m throwing my pearls before?

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            You don’t have pearls to hurl, but you go on and on.

          • Dave_L

            So the Sermon on the Mount is not “Pearls”? Please answer this.

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            I hereby incorporate by reference the books of Genesis, Proverbs, the Gospel of John and Revelation. You cannot answer this.

          • Dave_L

            Post the relevant Scriptures. Otherwise you appear not to know the Scriptures..

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            How did this discussion become a clash of personality? You made it so.

          • Dave_L

            You would like for it to become something other than a debate about Scripture and how it relates to violence. Just put up your Scripture advocating violence i.e., for denouncing the Sermon on the Mount as it applies to violence and we’ll look at them.

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            The atheist trolls frequenting this site consistently demand answers to stupid questions every time they are answered. They also love to divert every article to their pet troll project. This article is about President Obama’s attitude towards a Christian novelist, and not about your unorthodox views. Perhaps you can put up a web site of your own in which you make a reasonable defense of your opinions. Or write a book. It will be easy: just compile your posts into a single document.

          • Dave_L

            Should we expect the same from atheists as we do from Christians? All I am saying is that you cannot serve Christ and hate your enemy or use weapons on them.

          • Dave_L

            Answer me. Who are the swine you refer to? And Is the Sermon on the Mount considered among the “pearls” or treasures of Christ? It seems you are blaming me for calling attention to the Sermon on the Mount and calling those I present it to – swine?

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you?

          • Dave_L

            This does not provide an answer to match the question. I assume you cannot answer it without incriminating yourself in front of those you unwittingly call swine?

          • supernova

            That is a good one.

        • Dave_L

          We cannot follow Jesus without practicing the Sermon on the Mount. Wouldn’t you agree???

        • Phipps Mike

          no its not all or nothing, The Bible is not ALL Gods words. Much of it is MANS words. Men are not to be trusted. They LIE for power and patriarchal bull.

          • afchief

            Are you trying to justify sin i.e. homosexuality?

          • Phipps Mike

            no, I am informing you that the words in the Bible are good for toilet paper.

          • afchief

            Then why are you on this site?

            The danger to America is not so much Barack 0bama but a citizenry (you) capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an 0bama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. 0bama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. Hopefully the Republic can survive a Barack 0bama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president.

    • Shirley Kelly

      Truth

  • Kachina Lively

    What is strange and I am not sure if many picked up on this…but the same time Obama started to speak about the Crusaders so were millions of Muslims around the world. The timing was more than bizarre. Almost like it was a Plan. I do not like to get into conspiracy theories but in this case I honestly believe the ‘attack’ on Christians was orchestrated. Obama has shown his true colors more than once while in our White House. There is no doubt he has a hidden side that has come to light to all those that put their trust in Jesus Christ..

  • April J

    I’m sorry, but I’m having trouble even following what the point of this article is. I think the writers at this site need some journalism training…

  • Bill731

    Religious Humanism is unbiblical, to say the least, and it will ultimately lead to the deification of man which will culminate with the coming Antichrist, ” Who opposeth and exalteth himself above
    all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the
    temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” (2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJV).
    Many humanists embrace evolutionary theory, Social Darwinism and the New Age delusions that man is evolving upward to godhood and interconnectedness. They believe that man is basically good, not sinful, and reject the biblical worldview of a fallen humanity in need of redemption which is possible only through Jesus Christ. They believe in universalism and that all roads lead to God.

    • Jackie Gallegos

      Obama is his own God. He thinks he is above everything and everybody here and he thinks he has no faults. To begin with, pride cometh before the fall. He so full of himself that he can’t see beyond the end of his nose. God help him because he is in for a rude awakening.

      • Dave_L

        “Pray for rulers and for all who have authority so that we can have quiet and peaceful lives full of worship and respect for God. This is good, and it pleases God our Savior,” (1 Timothy 2:2–3)

  • BarkingDawg

    Word of Life Church.

    ’nuff said.

    • Dave_L

      I wonder if talk of this will surface here? It would make for some interesting discussion.

  • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EvidencefortheBible/ Galut1

    “suspicious” ?
    The book of books is very clear on what is acceptable in Gods sight …most born again Christians understand the foundations of Christianity and Judaism …and for Christians the perquisite is making the choice of accepting or rejecting what Jesus did for them on the cross…once covered by his blood we need to with the holy spirits guidance study the scriptures to groom our lives in the pattern that Jesus laid out in the new testament .

    When another faith/religion differs from the new testament principles then we must challenge it and make clear it does not fit in with the teaching of Jesus…Obama fails to understand that concept ….A believer that knows his or her scriptures thru and thru and objects to false doctrine does not fall under the term “suspicious” he or she Knows with out a doubt !

  • Poppy Kreshl

    Jesus taught “love thy enemy” and “love thy neighbour” as believers in Christ how do we apply this to Muslim enemies and muslim neighbours??? I believe in Christ and all HE taught and commanded!

  • MGR

    President Obama has a strange pattern of citing Christians for violence and intolerance on the one hand but refusing to identify them as the targets of Islamist supremacists on the other.