Kentucky Mayor Refuses to Remove Cross from Water Tower Following Atheist Complaint

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Photo Credit: Asbury Seminary

WILMORE, Ky. — The mayor of a city in Kentucky is refusing to remove a cross from a water tower that belongs to the city but is on private property despite demands from an atheist organization to remove the crucifix.

The Madison, Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation (FFRF) recently emailed Wilmore Mayor Harold Rainwater to state that the presence of the cross is “unlawful.”

“The Wilmore cross, displayed on the city water tower, unabashedly creates the perception of government endorsement of Christianity,” wrote staff attorney Rebecca Markert. “It conveys the message to the nearly 30 percent of the U.S. population who are not Christians that they are not ‘favored members of the political community.”

The water tower sits on the property of Asbury University, a private Christian institution. The cross was placed on the tower when it was owned by the university, and remained after the city bought the tower back in 1976. According to reports, it was part of the transferal agreement to leave the cross in place.

But FFRF said that makes no difference.

“We are aware that the water tower itself stands on the campus of Asbury University, a private Christian college, but this is irrelevant,” Markert wrote. “Any reasonable observer would understand the city to endorse any messages on the water tower because the water tower has ‘Wilmore’ printed on it in large letters, and because the tower is displayed on the city’s website to represent the city’s water and sewage services.”

She insinuated that FFRF might sue if the cross is not removed, pointed to another suit filed against the town of Whiteville, Tennessee.

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However, Mayor Rainwater, who is also an associate professor at the university, says that he is not backing down.

“To be honest with you, I look at an email as spam. That is not the way you contact someone in a legal position,” he told the Jessamine Journal. “When I get a subpoena or I get served, then I know I have to respond … but I’m not going to take a cross down because of an email.”

Rainwater stated that the citizens of Wilmore want the cross to stay.

“There’s a groundswell of support to keep [the cross] and I’m certainly going to fight to keep it with everything I’ve got,” he said. “I think it’s symbolic of our town. I one hundred percent support keeping it there. We won’t take it down unless we’re forced to take it down.”


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  • Cosmic Mastermind

    I’m not particularly bothered about this cross, it’s been there for a long time and it was previously legitimate, being on private property. But FFRF are correct, the water tower is now a publicly owned structure and the cross should gave been removed the day ownership was transferred.

    • Scot Carpenter

      Big deal. The FFRF are using intimidation tactics to secularize the United States despite the fact this country’s foundation is rooted in the very principals that the FFRF is trying to remove. Before you think I am wrong consider this. Why doesn’t the FFRF sue the Supreme Court for endorsing Christianity? After all the Ten Commandments are on the doors leading into court, the image of Moses is in the center of the edifice on the front of the building, and they open court with a prayer seeking God’s favor on the outcome of the proceedings. The answer is that acknowledgement is not an endorsement.

      • Tmaximus

        LOL!! Gotta’ love the mindset that thinks that the Jewish guy Jesus — which isn’t even his name — executed on the cross is going feel welcomed by non-Jews who display or wear the manner he was tortured to death by. The wizard he’s claimed to be would be triggered to use his magic powers to smite them.

        • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

          Yeshua died for Humanity. Jew and Gentile.

          • Tmaximus

            Jews do not believe that.

          • JohnDoe11

            Only the Messianic Jews do believe that.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Some do. There are Messianic Jews as well as Messianic Gentile. Many believe there will come a day the Jew will receive their Messiah. *But you are free to reject if that is what you want*.

          • misterprecedent

            ‘Messianic Jews’ are Christians. Jesus doesn’t meet the requirements for a messiah in Judaism. Jews would be disobeying God if they accepted him as one. Christians wrote a new, different set of messianic requirements when they rewrote the Hebrew Scripture to create their Old Testament.

          • wandakate

            JESUS died yes, but we “must” not forget that He also arose…He arose from the grave, and victory was won.
            He died for “ALL” mankind and whosoever will can come to Him for their salvation and be living eternally because of Him.
            He made it possible for us to have eternal life in the spirit. Heaven will be a “spiritual” Kingdom. Flesh and blood can’t enter into the kingdom of GOD. And the Jews, the Gentiles, the Muslims, the Arabs, and all the rest that will believe on His name will be saved.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Thank you. I know he arose from the dead:) Jesus is my Savior 🙂 For God so loved us that He sent his only begotten Son 🙂

          • wandakate

            Yes, I knew that you knew that, I was writing for the benefit of anybody else, just writing in general terms to everyone, not specifically to you, even though I made the comment to your name. Blessings…

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Thank you:) Blessings to you:)

        • Unionville

          The cross is a symbol of God’s grace and love for mankind. Where ever it is displayed, it is a reminder of that.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            That’s your perspective from being “in the club”, but it’s also a symbol that says “we value Christians above everyone else”.

          • Unionville

            Only if you ignore the fact that our country was settled by Pilgrims and Puritans who were Christians. That must be why there are so many of us pesky believers still extant in America. And why there are so many memorials that are Christian in nature. In spite of the efforts of the liberty loathing tyrants among us who are on an unending quest to eradicate them.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            I don’t understand. I was responding to your first comment: ”

            The cross is a symbol of God’s grace and love for mankind. Where ever it is displayed, it is a reminder of that.”

            To which I would say, that’s what it represents to a Christian, but to an outsider it can be a symbol of exclusion – and in fact that IS the intent in many cases. There are an awful lot of towns in America where those people who are not Christian (or even those who are Christians but are members of the “wrong” churches) are viewed with distrust by the rest of the population and can find themselves being treated as second-class citizens by town or county Government.

            Historical monuments, at least in my opinion, are fine, I don’t object to historic buildings and monuments that happen to display Christian symbols as part of their architecture or design, but when someone in authority puts up a sign that reads “This is a CHRISTIAN town” you know you’re not going to be treated kindly if you’re not one of them.

            I could live with the cross on the water tower because it’s splitting hairs as to whether it’s on private or public land, it’s been there for decades so whatever. But FFRF are at least technically correct.

          • Unionville

            Christianity is not an exclusive faith. All are welcome. If one chooses not to believe because they disagree with it, then they are excluding themselves. Seeing a cross should not bother that person in the least. It holds no meaning for them.

            I find your argument about an “awful lot of towns” with Christians viewing others distrustfully who go to the “wrong church” or who aren’t Christians to be unconvincing. I find most Christians are overwhelmingly kind and charitable. I think most Americans possess those traits.

            The FFRF are completely wrong. American history proves that their definition of the “establishment clause” is wrong. What the FFRF and those who possess the mindset of the FFRF really don’t like is that anyone believes in Christianity at all. And they certainly don’t want anyone to be influenced by it. so it’s symbols must be prohibited in the public square. Which is unconstitutional.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            That’s a terrible argument! All are welcome? Imagine yourself in a town where everyone is a Muslim and the crescent moon & star of Islam replaces the Cross, and someone tells you “you are welcome here, so long as you convert to Islam”. It’s a thinly veiled insult that ONLY Muslims are welcome.

            The issue here isn’t with Christianity per se, the issue is that as the Founding Father concluded when they wrote the 1st Amendment, some people have always used religion to place themselves on a pedestal above those of other beliefs.

            Would I as a non-Christian be treated the same as everyone else in your town? If it’s a very secular town then I expect I would (although my accent might make me stand out) but if it’s a very conservative Christian dominated town where 90% of the people belong to the same denomination and they find out I’m not even a Christian.. then no, I don’t think they would, I think they’d look at me as strange and not to be trusted.

            “Christmas is a time when people of all religions come together to worship Jesus Christ.” Bart Simpson.

          • Unionville

            Your first paragraph is the “terrible argument!” It is hyperbole on steroids. Who is forcing anyone in this country to convert to Christianity? If that were true, you would have a point. But it isn’t true. If someone sees a cross as a “thinly veiled insult”, it is because they are offended by Christian theology and they want it suppressed. And they certainly don’t want it expressed in the public arena. But guess what? Our founders set up a government to ensure a pluralistic, not a secular society. And they gave us a 1st amendment so that we can express that pluralism. Even in public.

            What the founders intended with the 1st amendment was to ensure the the Federal government did not establish a national religion. Remember our history. Why did the Pilgrims leave England?

            Your third paragraph is based on nothing more than your own prejudicial assumptions against those horrid Christians. It’s also inane because you say you think a non-Christian would be treated well in a “secular” (nee atheist) town. How would a Christian be treated if they expressed their christian faith in a venue that these freedom loving secularists deem inappropriate? We have ample evidence if the FFRF is any indication.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            A cross on a private building is fine, a cross on a public building is not. The First Amendment is not there to create a “secular society” or a “pluralistic society”, it is there for the singular purpose of ensuring a religiously neutral Government.

            If I see a cross on a public building that is not merely as a historical artifact but as a modern addition, that to me is a very clear sign that the person who put it there is biased and quite possibly a bigot and I should be careful about what I say or do lest I provoke hostility. A lot of Christians need to be reminded that they are NOT better than everyone else. TG for secularism.

            I’m not sure where you’re going with “why did the Pilgrims leave England”, they actually moved to Europe first but anyhow, yes they were fleeing persecution. The part you might not be aware of is that the minute they encountered the Quakers, the Pilgrims began persecuting the Quakers.

            If you visited a very secular town (I live in the UK, so that’s almost every town here) you would not encounter any hostility simply for being a Christian from non-religious people, although you might get into some heated debates regarding some of your religiously-influenced views if you started proselytizing in the street. But generally speaking, while Christians will attack atheists for being atheists, I can’t say I have ever heard of a case of atheists attacking Christians for being Christian.

            FFRF is not attacking you, YOU are attacking the Constitutional rights of non-Christians.

          • Unionville

            If you are British then I can understand your ignorance of the American Constitution and our history. Including your ignorance of the importance of pluralism in the American founding.

            I have already refuted your first paragraph in one of my other responses to you. Since you didn’t rebut it and instead chose to ignore it and double down on your original contention, I will cut and paste what I previously said about the 1st amendment:

            “It prohibits the FEDERAL government from establishing a national religion. Clearly it did not apply to the states because some of them chose to establish state churches with nary a peep from the federal government. So your argument that it somehow prohibited the state from “promoting Christianity” or that it restricts “Christian symbols” to private property, are fallacious. States were to be as free as possible from federal intrusion into their affairs.”

            Let’s hear your answer as to why the federal government didn’t interfere with these state churches. This is clearly not “religious neutrality” that you say was the “singular purpose” of our 1st amendment.

            Calling someone biased and a bigot, because you don’t agree with them is in itself biased and bigoted. Particularly when you are the one trying to censor them in the public square. And please don’t go to Washington DC. It is full of religious inscriptions, statues, paintings etc. Just for the heck of it, I’m going to post a reply to this post of some things that you would find there. All unconstitutional to you but they somehow managed to get placed there in spite of it.

            Where am I going with my comment on the Pilgrims leaving England? Really? The Pilgrims left England because the Church of England was the de facto arm of the government of England. To not belong to the church was treason. That is what the 1st amendment was prohibiting in this country. The establishment of a national church.

            I will not presume to speak about what a town is like in your country. I have never been there. But when I google “christian attacks on atheists” it gives me no examples of that, but plenty of examples of atheists attacking Christians. Why is that?

          • Unionville

            In the Main Reading Room of the Library of Congress are statues of various figures with quotes. Religion is represented by Moses and Paul and the quote is “What doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God.” Science is represented with the quote “The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament showeth His handiwork.” History is represented with “One God, one law, one element and one far off divine event, to which the whole creation moves.”

            On the outside of the Supreme Court there is a marble relief of Moses holding the 10 commandments. When the court is in session, a crier ends his call announcing the opening by saying “God save the United States and the Honorable Court.”

            There are several large paintings in the Capitol Rotunda. Among them is the Baptism of Pocahontas. There is also the Departure of the Pilgrims from Holland, which depicts them praying. There is an open bible in the painting which allays any doubt as to whom they were praying.

            In God We Trust is inscribed behind the Speakers rostrum in the House chamber. There is also a marble relief of Moses above the central gallery door. The Capitol building itself was used for religious services from its inception until after the Civil War. In 1867 the house chamber was the meeting place for the largest church congregation in America. There is even a prayer room in the Capitol building. A bronze design on the floor of the rotunda contains the 10 commandments. Our Declaration of Independence must cause some consternation to anti-religious zealots for containing the concept of unalienable rights being given to us by our Creator and prattling on about the laws of Nature and Nature’s God.

            The Washington Monument is awash with carved tributes to God such as “Holiness to the Lord”, “Search the Scriptures”, “The memory of the just is Blessed”, “May Heaven to this union continue its beneficence”, “In God we Trust”, “Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it.”

            There was an inscription cut into the marble facing of the state dining room fireplace in the White House which says “I pray heaven to bestow the best of blessing on this house and on all that shall hereafter inhabit it. May none but honest and wise men ever rule under this roof.” The oath of office is taken with the President’s right hand on the bible. There are times when Presidents have requested the bible to be open, with their hand touching scripture that has special meaning to them.

            I have barely scratched the surface of what is contained in and on government buildings.

            It has been said that a nations monuments and national symbols reflect the heart of the people. That is true of America. Notwithstanding the anti-Christian sentiment that has gripped the left. It is small wonder that many of our monuments memorialize our belief in and love for God.

            If our founders intended for this ‘separation” that you speak of, how were all of these things that I have listed possible?

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            Also, FFRF are correct about the 1st Amendment. The wording of the 1st Amendment is crystal clear. It does not prohibit you in any way from displaying Christian symbols on private property, but it does prohibit the State from promoting Christianity.

            The 1st Amendment doesn’t just protect the rights of people who are not Christians either, it also prevents the Government from legislating how you practice your religion; if the 1st Amendment did not guarantee the neutrality of the State in matter of religion, the State could decree which denominations of Christianity are official religions of the United States and which denominations of Christianity are not. And that would mean the political views of one Church would carry weight, while the political views of others would not, and the State could decide to financially sponsor one Church, but not another.

            That’s why YOU need separation of Church and State.

          • Unionville

            The first amendment IS “crystal clear” when it comes to religious freedom:

            CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…

            It prohibits the FEDERAL government from establishing a national religion. Clearly it did not apply to the states because some of them chose to establish state churches with nary a peep from the federal government. so your argument that it somehow prohibited the state from “promoting Christianity” or that it restricts “Christian symbols” to private property, are fallacious. States were to be as free as possible from federal intrusion into their affairs. Peruse the 10th amendment sometime and the history surrounding its enactment. If you truly love diversity and freedom I think you will find it a fascinating read.

            What the FFRF and their advocates espouse is tyrannical conformity to their secular statism.

            No thank you. I prefer pluralism and states rights. In other words, Liberty.

          • Linda Jackson

            it [the Cross] doesn’t hurt you and if you were truly a “cosmic mastermind” or a mastermind of any kind you would not be so reactionary. And as far as hissing and fang baring convulsions it would appear you non believers do that whenever you see anything you perceive as representing Christ. That seems to be what is sick.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            I have no objection to you displaying Christian symbols on your own property, but public buildings belong to everyone, not just you.

            You can have your church, you can practice your beliefs, but what you cannot do is put a sign up on a public building that says “Christians First”. You can put up that sign on your church, you can put up that sign in your home, but not on a public building.

          • misterprecedent

            A cross celebrates a brutal execution. It’s sick to display it prominently like a Nazi flag. If it’s a symbol of anything related to the Christian God, it’s illegal for the City to endorse and display it.

          • Unionville

            “A cross celebrates a brutal execution.”

            Yes. It celebrates the brutal execution of an innocent man. The Assyrians developed this particular type of execution. The following is from Jeff Cook from the University of Colorado:

            “The sight of a crucifixion inflicted a horror which the Assyrians found more valuable than simply executing a criminal. Crosses were able to mutilate and dishonor so severely that everyone noticed, everyone was shocked, everyone adapted, everyone was transformed by the power of the cross.

            Looking back on history one truth is certain. In the ancient world, crosses communicated to everyone that the violent, the brutally ambitious, and the merciless reigned over the earth. Crosses were not just the way people died. Crosses were instruments of slavery. Crosses announced the rule of death, evil, dysfunction and despair.

            But this is no longer the case.

            The world itself has miraculously changed for the cross is no longer an icon of death but a symbol of lasting life. The cross is no longer the tool of a dysfunctional world but a sign that this world is being remade. The cross is no longer a picture of oppression or despair; the cross no longer screams out that God is absent or that death is the future of all.”

            Your contention that “if it’s a symbol of anything related to the Christian God, it’s illegal”…is a head scratcher. It isn’t illegal. You just wish it were illegal. perhaps you should take a trip to Washington DC and visit some of the government buildings and monuments. If it’s illegal, how was it possible for all those religious figures, inscriptions and monuments to come about on and in government property?

        • misterprecedent

          Indeed, if Jesus really existed and returned, he would AVOID places that proudly display his method of execution. A cross, to a Jew who was tortured and killed on one, screams, “Come here to be crucified.”

      • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

        I hope it stays.Why can’t they see it is not hurting anyone.

      • flackmaster00

        “it’s the law”

        “Big deal”

        nice argument.

        so you think that if something is currently being done by the state, like displaying ten commandments in front of courthouses (nevermind all the states that have rid their govt property of the ten commandment statues because it is ruled unconstitutional), then you must also support the state upholding Roe v Wade, right?

        you will notice that the supreme court frieze, along with only six of the ten commandments, displays a number of other people associated with historical law, including muhammed, draco, and confusious. the legend of the ten commandments indisputably had an affect on law throughout the ages and has a historical right to be honored among other historic lawgivers from varying faiths and cultures. this is a fair representation of the history of law that only muslims complain about because it contains a depiction of their silly prophet.

    • Mary Taylor

      There was an agreement clause put in to keep the cross if property became public. Yes, it is legal for the cross to be there.

      • Peter Leh

        it seem that would help as well. I wonder if there is language that states the tower goes back to the university if for any reason the cross has to come down?

        • misterprecedent

          They could certainly remove the name of the town from the tower and sell it back to the university, or to a church, if the faith of Christians is too weak to survive without a giant symbol that celebrates a brutal execution hanging over them.

          • wandakate

            Symbol or no symbol, HE AROSE…on the 3rd day He arose from the tomb. It’s just a symbol of His sacrifice. He died and shed His innocent blood that day so that anyone who wants to can accept Him as their savior and go to live with Him for eternity. He died so that we might have life and have it more abundantly. He died so that we may live for eternity in the coming Kingdom of GOD…HE therefore arose, and lives forever more with His FATHER (GOD) in Heaven, amen…

      • misterprecedent

        It doesn’t matter if there was an (illegal) agreement. The government cannot endorse, favor or promote any establishment of religion. The cross will be removed. It can be displayed on church property where it belongs.

        • Sgtmaj3574

          I might be more sympathetic to your point of view if the government upheld all laws equally. But when the President issues executive orders in direct violation of legally passes laws, and when various officials flaunt laws that they do not seem to like, then it is hard to generate sympathy for your argument.

    • Leslie

      Sorry that was the deal, I guess they can give the water tower back and build their own with tax payer money. I love that a cross causes the frail to swoon in indignation. LOL!!!

      • misterprecedent

        Let’s see how you feel when Islam is the majority religion and the cross is replaced with Muslim symbols. You might wish someone had fought for your right to a religiously NEUTRAL government.

        If your church was any good, you wouldn’t need the government to show you how to be a Christian.

        • Leslie

          Dumb premise and answer. Since atheists love legalities you can just think of it as a legally binding contract where they could have the water tower as long as the cross remained. Suck it up buttercup. Legal matter not religious, the deal was mad by two consenting parties. Now abide or give the tower back.

  • Scot Carpenter

    The FFRF is a bully who look’s for small towns with limited budgets to attack in their systematic secularization of the United states by using the false narrative of separation of church and state.

    • Tmaximus

      False narrative? The blble says it is a SIN not to follow the laws of your nation. Amazing and quite a frolic to witness “Christians” defy biblical edicts.

      • bowie1

        But this does not violate any law since it is on PRIVATE land.

      • petroskhan

        First of all, Christians are to obey the laws of Man, up until such time as they interfere with our obedience to the Laws of God.

        Secondly, there is not one single law being broken by this cross.

        So…I guess your comment is pretty close to meaningless. No offense, just sayin’, is all…

    • kso721

      The FFRF is an entity that helps to promote religious equality for all. If you don’t understand that, then you’re simply playing the victim b/c it’s your religion that keeps overstepping its boundaries.

      • bowie1

        Not this time, from this atheist klan group.

        • kso721

          The president of the FFRF and his wife were former evangelicals. If you think they’re equivalent to the klan because they pursue cases where Christian-taliban overstepped their boundaries, you’re simply playing the victim.

      • wandakate

        When Islam comes in roaring like a lion and takes over, are they going to be overstepping their boundaries?????

        • kso721

          Yeah, because a legal entity helps defend religious equality, islam is going to fill the void… totally logical.

          “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”.

      • petroskhan

        ROFL

        A group called “Freedom From Religion” wants religious equality for all?

        LOLOL

        • kso721

          Freedom of religion. Freedom From Religion. It’s real hard to fathom…

  • Josey

    Good for you Mayor! Don’t let this group bully your town!

    • misterprecedent

      The mayor is obligated to uphold the U.S. Constitution, which forbids the government from favoring, endorsing, promoting or supporting any establishment of religion.

  • Ruthe Tate

    Good for him and don’t back down.

  • Emmanuel

    Prays for the city and true leaders. Don’t back down.

  • DorianGrayfox

    Take that jesus junk DOWN

  • Barbara Gerhard

    Where are these people when the muslims are praying in public, even on the white house lawn, and where are they, when the president of the USA holds Ramadan in the white house,? they are strangely silent,
    where are they when the muslims have their national muslim day when their is no national christian day or buddist day or any other national religious day. other then the standard days like Christmas and other holidays, but these athiests are even trying to get rid of the christ in christmas , they don’t go after the muslims with their Ramadan they don’t try to take the “Ram” out of Ramadan, why not??
    OH i KNOW!! its because the muslims would be screaming bloody, blue murder, quite literally at them, if they did, there would be fatwas put out on them, they would be terrorised and beheaded.
    hmmm but us christians who are peaceful and loving and accepting, forgiving turn the other cheek types, are an easy target for these cowards, oh well let them have their petty little victories, and let them loose as well, let them whine and wimper every time they loose, they laugh and mock the truth and try to stifle it, but in the end if they don’t repent,and turn to Jesus, they will cry and God will have the last laugh.

    And If the muslims take over America, these groups will quietly disappear into the wood work where they came from. they will scuttle under the rug, and hide, or try to blend in by converting to Islam, and they will be the ones praying the loudest! And their women will be wearing the blackest hidjabs, with the most covering veils. they will wave the quaran the hightest, and kiss it the most, their quarans will be worn out with the kissing and hugging.

    i have no respect for athiests, they are the biggest hipocrits and they are the first ones to scream persecution, then and mock true persecution of christians wich they very often instigate. .

    • flackmaster00

      “Where are these people when the muslims are praying in public, even on the white house lawn, and where are they, when the president of the USA holds Ramadan in the white house,? they are strangely silent, ”
      its a load of crap when that happens too, but its no different than hosting christian-themed christmas festivities in the white house.
      reading your post, it is clear that you have a litany of issues (anger, superiority complex, persecution complex). maybe pray for calm or something.

    • misterprecedent

      Citizens who choose to pray are allowed to do so anywhere they want, as long as they are not trespassing on private property or violating other laws while doing it. The president can acknowledge Christian holidays if he acknowledges the holidays of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Wiccans, Satanists, and other religious groups equally.

      All of the typical “Christmas” traditions – decorating trees, feasting, singing, gift-giving, etc. – were stolen from celebrations honoring PAGAN gods born on or near the winter solstice at the end of December. The Bible specifically FORBIDS “Christmas” trees, calling them a heathen custom. Christ (who would have been born months later in the spring) wasn’t originally in “Christmas” – the NAME of the celebration was changed because Christians thought it would be easier to forcibly convert Pagans if they were allowed to keep their familiar festivities. Look up Saturnalia and Mithra.

      The atheists fighting for the removal of the cross on City property are fighting for EVERY AMERICAN’S RIGHT to a religiously NEUTRAL government, as promised by the Constitution. When Islam is the majority religion in the USA, maybe you will finally understand and appreciate that atheists worked to ensure that the government can’t force a majority religion on YOU.

      If your church and parents are doing their job, you shouldn’t need the government to teach you how to be a Christian.

      • Peter Leh

        “All of the typical “Christmas” traditions – decorating trees, feasting,
        singing, gift-giving, etc. – were stolen from celebrations honoring
        PAGAN gods born on or near the winter solstice at the end of December.”

        celebrations and symbols are what WE make it not what it makes of us. Besides it is all a hodgepodge. All cultures do it and have done it. There is no “patent”… so make up your own hodgepodge if you wish. 🙂

    • Peter Leh

      “then and mock true persecution of christians wich they very often instigate. .”

      if taking down a cross because the city does not accommodation or give opportunity to other religions is “true persecution”, the christians in iraq will gladly trade places for your “persecution”

      Atheists are not the only one mocking american “persecution” i assure you.

  • bowie1

    If they want it down would they be willing to climb to the top? They might get a little nervous way up high and think about the fragility of life.

    • wandakate

      I guess they (the town) will find out in the future if they were all bark and no bite. Maybe it’s just a threat, and they are mouthing off, but won’t do a thing, who knows. But, rest assured that scripture tells us “Vengeance is mind, saith the LORD, I will repay”. We may not be able to do anything, but the LORD will certainly take care of those people on judgment day…fear not.

  • Peter Leh

    as long as the water towers are available for ALL religious groups to put their symbol on then it is indeed legal.

    • misterprecedent

      Indeed, if Satanists will be allowed to install a Baphomet of equal size, Muslims can install a symbol of their choice, and a Buddha is added, etc. – so no religion is favored over any other – then the cross can legally stay.

      • Peter Leh

        i dont know why chrisitans dont or wont understand that. Instead we always claim martyrdom.

  • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

    I hope they keep it there. It is not hurting anyone.

    • misterprecedent

      When Islam is the majority religion in the US, will you support the cross being replaced by Muslim symbols, since “it wouldn’t be hurting anyone”? It is illegal for the government to favor, support, endorse or promote any religion over any other. Someday you will understand and appreciate those who are fighting for your right to a religiously neutral government.

      If your church was doing its job, you wouldn’t need the government to teach you how to worship Jesus.

      • supernova

        The Government can not teach people how to worship Jesus. You must be Anti-Christian and Anti cross.

        • Blaylock

          just anti theocracy

      • petroskhan

        “When Islam is the majority religion in the US, will you support the cross being replaced by Muslim symbols, since “it wouldn’t be hurting anyone”?”

        A rather serious straw man, since Islam’s tenets not only allow, but encourage, hurting people who fail to follow its teachings.

        “It is illegal for the government to favor, support, endorse or promote any religion over any other.”

        Wrong. It is against the Constitution for the Government to found a religion. That is the meaning of the words “Congress shall make no regarding the establishment of a religion”. What the Founders didn’t want was a “Church of America”, as there was in England.

        “Someday you will understand and appreciate those who are fighting for your right to a religiously neutral government.”

        Search the writings and speeches of our Nation’s Founders. You won’t find them to be “religiously neutral” in the least. They believed in the Bible, supported it, and greatly desired it to be taught to all people.

        What people like you are doing is attempting to impose your atheist views upon a country never intended for such an ideology. You are trying to re-write, or re-define, everything around you to meet your hollow, empty “religion” of self, and then claim that your view is supported by the Constitution…a belief adhered to only by those ignorant of this Nation’s history.

  • sammy13

    Forces of evil at work again. What are they afraid of?

    • flackmaster00

      no one is afraid of the cross, people just want to believe that their government represents them as fairly as it does anyone else

      • antiliberalcryptonite

        B.S. pal.

      • Lisa

        Freedom of Religion not from it. By the First Amendment, the expression of religion is protected.

        You will often see graffiti painted on a water tower. Does that mean the city endorses, “Jenny fks for bucks” because it’s on the water tower????

        Bogus

    • wandakate

      Satan wants it down, as he hates GOD, and he hates Christians as well and anything to do with anything rightful and truthful and honest and real.
      Satan came to kill, steal, and destroy. He has a short time left now and he and his demons are busy now 24/7 doing their dirty work and from the looks of it they have a central office up in Wisconsin.
      The mayor and the people of that town need to stick to their guns…If these people think they can rule the roost they will do just that.
      They need to be concerned about what’s going on way up in Wisconsin, and now worry about what we do in the south or in this instance in Kentucky. In other words “mind their own business”!!!!!
      We now live in a country that has GOD on the back burner and there is going to be judgment for that very thing and GOD’s judges quickly and fairly.
      We are to be in the world and not of the world.
      KEEP YOUR BACKBONE MAYOR…your doing a fine job.
      JESUS said, “If you deny me before man, I will deny you before my FATHER which is in Heaven”.
      He said also said that “Not everyone that says to me on that day, LORD, LORD, will enter the Kingdom of GOD, but only the ones who did the will of my FATHER.”
      Serious words from a serious GOD. Keep the cross, for when they know the truth, the truth will set them free.

  • supernova

    That cross needs to stay. I see beauty in that cross.It amazes me that a cross would bring such fear in an unbeliever. It has been there lone enough that in it self is a reason it must stay.The ones who want it removed do not live there.

    • misterprecedent

      It doesn’t matter who does and doesn’t want it there. It’s illegal for a city government to promote, endorse, sponsor, or favor one religious establishment over any other. The cross will be removed. It’s just a matter of how much taxpayer money the city chooses to waste by digging its heels in on an unwinnable case.

      • supernova

        Another hater of Christians 🙁

    • Cosmic Mastermind

      Try wearing an “atheist” T-shirt for a day in a redneck Christian dominated town.

      • supernova

        Try wearing a Christian T-Shirt for a day in an Atheist dominated town. It would be safer being around the rednecks. It goes both ways. I fear Atheist more than I fear an angry Pit Bull Dogs. Ive been around both.

        • Cosmic Mastermind

          Well.. I do live in an atheist dominated town. I live in the UK and most people here are sort of not bothered one way or the other about religion, most people in my Country don’t “do” religion apart from Christmas, weddings and funerals. Why would you be afraid of atheists?

          • supernova

            Maybe not from there. In the UK Atheist are much nicer than here. Some here I fear them. I do not fear death, as I believe in God and His Son. Death will not be bad. But there are somethings worse than death……………………………

  • Nidalap

    It’s like they’re a bevvy of vampires or something! They see a cross and immediately go into convulsions of hissing and fang-baring! 🙂

    • wandakate

      Satan and his demons and worshipers hate the symbol of the cross b/c it reminds them of JESUS whom they hate with a passion. It reminds them of His sacrifice that He made there for the sins of “ALL” mankind. It reminds them of His love and His mercy, His grace and His gift of eternity to everyone that wants it. They hate the truth of anything sacred, therefore they hate the cross and they convulse and they hiss and they fang-bare, b/c it’s more than they can bear…Hell of course will be full of them. They would not be happy in the Kingdom of GOD now would they?????

  • Rebecca

    If ya don’t believe, don’t worry about it.

    • wandakate

      IF I didn’t believe, not only would I worry about it, I would be terrified. Hell is the last place I would ever want to go for my eternity.

  • antiliberalcryptonite

    What cross? I see a lightning rod with horizontal attenuator bar.

  • bowie1

    The hate group FFRF are still at it with their anti-theist campaign. Shame!

  • Bruce Morrow

    Anyone want to tell these meddling atheist to mind their own business.

  • Crosseyedone

    They hate the cross, it is a constant reminder to them of their weaknesses.

    • http://thebenevolentthou.com/ Max T. Furr

      It is amazing how fundamentalist Christians completely miss the point and the logic. You can raise all the crosses you want on your own property, but not on property that is publically owned (paid for by the taxes of Christians and non Christians alike. Why is that so difficult to understand?

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Right, don’t submit to the atheists. It’s been wrong all along for all these years. The West only diminished morality and wrecked children by obeying to atheists.

    • http://thebenevolentthou.com/ Max T. Furr

      You might want to consider the many citizens of other faiths, not just atheists. They, too, pay their taxes in support of the very government that chooses Christianity as an official religion and rejects theirs.

      This is conclusive evidence that the fundamentalist mindset is a deterrent to peace, understanding and brotherhood. It is not a uniting, but a divisive force in society–yet it, too, is a basic property of fundamentalism that all other beliefs are heresy.

      Empathy and understanding is not a property of fundamentalism.

      Is this the way the citizens of Willmore, who were taught to believe in Christianity, view their neighbors who were taught to believe a different religion or choose the philosophy of humanism over religious belief?

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Christians created USA and the crosses should be where they have been. Atheists are the ones who are singling out Christians and bullying them. Humanism kills babies and forces sexual immorality upon children, and therefore it must be rejected.

        • http://thebenevolentthou.com/ Max T. Furr

          It is unfortunate that you and most fundamentalists feel this way. It is a complete misunderstanding of history. Your fear of atheists is blinding you. Atheists in general do not care what you believe or what god you worship.

          What atheists do care about are religious laws codified as a means to force all the rest of society to bend to Christian beliefs. You certainly have the right to believe what you are told by people claiming to be knowledgeable in history, but it would be wise to vet what they say.

          It is so easy to play fundamentalists for personal gain. Politicians and preachers alike do just that–and they become wealthy using the true believers. For example, if a politician wears Christianity on his sleeve, you will trust him. If a man were perfectly honest and says he is a humanist or Muslim, you will not trust him. Thus, virtually all politicians claim to be Christians no matter what they really think.

          Thomas Jefferson, Madison, Thomas Paine, and Ben Franklin, BTW, were Deists, and they were humanists as well. Most Deists are also humanists.

          There is a rich heritage of various historical sources of U.S. law, but the main source was British common and civil law–much of the civil law was derived from Roman law. Thus, our nation was set up mainly on those laws.

          Yes, Christianity was the prefered religion of most settlers because they were mostly from Europe where Christianity dominated for centuries by conquest, torture and wars. It was fortunate that, (1) many minds had been changed by the Enlightenment, and (2) many of the settlers were tired of church domination of their lives, therefore, they were generally peaceful. When some denominations established official Christianity in some states, it was the people, (mainly led in Virginia by the Baptists), who forced the state to rescind any official attachment to one particular religion/denomination.

          That led to Jefferson’s writing of A [Virginia] Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom, the document from which the 1st Amendment’s Establishment Clause was crafted, and subsequently the 14th Amendment made it applicable to all government bodies in the U.S.

          It is a short document and elucidates why there must not be religious laws established in the U.S.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Christian religion is the only good thing about the Western civilization. Without it, you are savage illiterate, kill babies, and advance abnormal immorlity. You need Christianity to get back sanity and morality. Nothing else can solve your problem. May God deal with everyone who repays the good with evil.

          • http://thebenevolentthou.com/ Max T. Furr

            Hmm, you don’t even know me yet you believe I am “illiterate, kill babies and advance abnormal immorality (sic).”

            All this demonstrates the radical nature of the belief and why I say that fundamentalism is the most divisive mindset in the world. Christianity has had a very dark history of promoting illiteracy, immorality, killing babies (even ripping them from the womb), and often violently pushing their beliefs on non believers.

            Yet, I believe in doing unto others as I would have them do unto me. Therefore, I do not condemn you and wish you ill, but you are quick to condemn me and wish me ill, contrary to:

            Luke 6:31 “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise,”

            and,

            Matthew 7:1-3 “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”

            Your god is supposed to be a loving god (in the NT), but you seem to believe he is the angry warrior god of the OT, and seem to be completely dismissing the possible founder of Christianity. Should these admonitions of Jesus not be followed by Christians?

  • http://thebenevolentthou.com/ Max T. Furr

    Sigh, when is the Christian community ever going to honor the Constitution? The intransigence of fundamentalist politicians in refusing to follow the 1st and 14th Amendments is clearly a snub of all Christian citizens who pay taxes for the politicians’ salaries.

    But, fairness and inclusiveness is never a concern for such folks. This is why I firmly belive that exclusive, fundamentalist religions are a deterrent to peace, understanding and brotherhood. It is not a uniting, but a divisive force in society.

  • DJ54

    Good for the Mayor!!! 🙂

  • Bingo

    The cross threatens the unrighteous.

  • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

    How can these folks use the phrase “any reasonable observer”? They may be distant observers, but their connection to reason is by no means established. I don’t believe the reasonable man can be one of their members.