Mormon-Owned Marriott ‘Love Travels’ Campaign Continues Push for Homosexuality in its Hotels

Marriott Double-compressedThe Mormon-owned international hotel chain Marriott continues to promote the company’s support of homosexuality through its marketing department, building off of its #lovetravels campaign.

The hotel chain has compiled several stories from homosexual partners in its ongoing promotional effort, which began last year, and is placing online banner advertisements to promote its “lesbian and gay travel” accommodations. It is also encouraging Tweeters to post its #lovetravels hashtag to show support.

The Marriott website has a page dedicated to trumpeting its support for homosexuality, stating that “[a]t Marriott, there is no room for inequality.”

It also features five videos that share the stories of various homosexual “couples,” who have also been made into banner advertisements that the company is currently promoting nationwide. (See right bottom, captured online this week.)

“Summers’ unique ability to capture romantic and touching images of LGBT individuals, couples and families perfectly conveys the company’s commitment to make everyone feel comfortable being who they are everywhere they travel,” Verona Carter, Marriott’s global director of PR, told reporters.

Marriott’s #lovetravels campaign additionally provides information on how the hotel chain provides accommodations for same-sex “weddings.”

“Every couple and each family deserves to shine equally,” the company writes. “Let’s shine the spotlight on love and pride.”

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This past June, the Marriott hosted a same-sex ceremony during the Washington, D.C. pride parade—taking out billboards in the nation’s capital to tout its support—and its president, Arne Sorenson spoke out in opposition of Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act in April.

“This is just plain wrong and we will not stand for it,” he told Diversity Inc. “The notion that you can tell businesses that somehow they are free to discriminate is madness.”

However, Marriott’s support for homosexuality is not new as in 1999, the the hotel chain was one of the first in the nation to offer partner benefits to homosexual employees. It is also a partner with Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) and is a member of the National Gay & Lesbian Chamber of Commerce.

According to reports, the organization is additionally a national sponsor of the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), the National Center for Lesbian Rights, and Out and Equal Workplace Advocates.

While the Marriott was founded in 1927 by devout Mormon J. Willard Marriott, and has prominent Mormons on its board, including former LDS bishop and 2012 presidential candidate Mitt Romney, the company still supports homosexuality despite Mormon doctrine against the lifestyle.

Executive Director and Chairman J.W. Marriott “has been a quiet supporter of LGBT rights for more than 25 years,” the publication Quartz reports.

In seeking to distance himself from the Latter Day Saints’ efforts to support California’s Proposition 8, J.W. Marriott said in 2008 that he separates his religion from his actions.

Marriott Ad-compressed
One of Marriott’s recent online promotional advertisements.

“The Bible that I love teaches me about honesty, integrity and unconditional love for all people,” he stated. “But beyond that, I am very careful about separating my personal faith and beliefs from how we run our business.”

Homosexual activists had urged a boycott of the Marriott that year because the hotel chain was Mormon-owned, assuming that Marriott’s leadership followed LDS doctrine. The company issued its statement from J.W. Marriott to clarify its stance.

“As many of you may know I’m a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Some might conclude given my family’s membership in the Mormon Church that our company supported the recent ballot initiative to ban same sex marriage in California. This is simply untrue,” he wrote.

“Our principle is backed up with a formal diversity program, which we established more than 20 years ago. Our Board of Directors has also focused on this priority and helped us be a leader and a better company,” Marriott continued. “Many of our hotels have hosted LGBT community functions and events for years.”

Marriott’s daughter, Deborah Marriott Harrison, a spokesperson for a Mormon stake, was appointed to the company board last year.

Thomas Maloney, director of government affairs for Marriott, told the publication Skift recently that the company’s efforts to support homosexuality go far beyond its advertising.

“Marriott’s taken a pretty holistic or 360-degree approach to how we’re approaching LGBT issues, so it’s not just a marketing effort,” he told Skift, “but it also encompasses our public policies and policy advocacy.”


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  • Reason2012

    Adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

    Homosexual behavior is most literally pointed out as a sin, and God has not changed on that regard. But if a person has those inclinations but does not act upon them and does not dwell in lust upon others, then it’s not a sin. It’s just like sinful inclinations of any kind: it’s acting upon it when it becomes a sin.

    And this is what God says about sin and specifically the behavior of homosexuality:

    Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [s odomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

    Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

    Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

    Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

    The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

    Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

    God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

    Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

    Luke 17:28-30 “So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”

    Romans 1:18-32 “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [suppress] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, m urder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

    The entire Bible points out men having_sex with men is an abomination. Likewise woman having_sex with women. It’s not just Paul that pointed it out.

    Genesis 19:4-13 “But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of S odom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them [men wanting to have_sex with men].

    And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing [he offers his daughters to be_raped to keep them from having_sex with another man – shows_rape is not the issue but male on male_sex]; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

    And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

    And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.”

    These two messengers were sent to destroy that place before the event where they tried to_rape these messengers.

    Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

    Leviticus 20:13 “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”

    Even cross-dressing is an abomination:

    Deuteronomy 22:5 “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”

    Deuteronomy 23:17 “There shall be no_whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a s odomite of the sons of Israel.”

    1 Kings 22:46 “And the remnant of the s odomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.”

    1 Kings 15:11-12 “And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the s odomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.”

    2 Kings 23:7 “And he brake down the houses of the s odomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.”

    Ezekiel 16:49-50 “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister S odom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.”

    And the “pride” parades about homosexuality are more of the same.

    Matthew 19:4-5 “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?”

    Not father and father. Not mother and mother. Not his husband.

    And only two people of opposite gender can become “one flesh”.

    Live forever, people – not temporarily only to be cast out for living for the things of this world.

    May God/Jesus Christ be glorified!

    • Angel Jabbins

      Great comment. Thank you for the effort you put into this. May God use it to change hearts. The Word of God…sharper than any double edged sword, cutting to the heart of the matter…sin.. and bringing hope and healing.

    • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

      My Prayer is that someone will read what you posted and that their eyes will be opened and they will see the truth. With God all things are possible.

      • Jolanda Tiellemans

        Your truth? Being closed minded, that the only good people are christians? No thanks!

        • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

          My prayer is for people who have not lost all Humanity and have some Human Kindness left in them. I understand many have lost it.I am not talking about you. I am talking about others not you. The Word of God says a time will come when the Love of many will grow Cold. Both Christian and Non-Christian.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Why do you think that people like me lost our humanity because we are not like you? Who think that being homosexual is wrong, is a sin. We just believe that people, hetero or homosexual should be able to live the life they want with the person(s) they love. Yep you’re right about one thing, your love as a christian is cold towards people who are not like you. Saying to people that what they are doing, being homosexual is wrong, a sin, they will go to hell when they don’t repent, yes that is cold. Try accepting people for who or what they are. You will get back what you give,even without quoting your bible.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            You show it in the way you talk to some people like Christians.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Oh you are are surprised about that? When some christians talk bad about homosexuals you are surprised I defend them? When a christian judge someone they don’t know, we/they have every right to judge that christian also. Most homosexuals are not interested in your truth. Like I said before try to accept people for who they are, maybe they will accept you for who you are. I know christians, some are my friends, who accept homosexuals for who they are, but then again they are not real christians in your eyes. If a christian offends me I won’t turn the other cheek.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            I do not support Homosexuality. (((((BUT))))) I can not hate them. Not all Christians are as bad as you say they are. There are a lot of things I do not support but that dose not mean I hate someone. It is like I believe people should be able to defend themselves. Although I don’t support un-needed violence.

          • Gena B

            Jesus stated ‘if you are not for me, then you are against me.’ To some that may seem cold, but what God deems sin, is sin. If you believe in God then you must believe that what he declares as sin, just is. Otherwise you couldn’t serve Him with your whole heart.

    • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ DavidHart-slowlyboiledfrog.com

      Adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after
      decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not
      genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental
      instability and/or abuse.

      What on earth …? Gay people are choosing not to be gay? So let’s try the scientific consensus rather than ideology proffered to conform society to scripture. Shall we?

      Sexual orientation is a continuum with homosexual and heterosexual at the extreme ends. There are a combination of factors that affect the scale including genetics and the hormones of the birth mother. The CEO of the world’s largest company is gay. I doubt that he is either confused or unstable. In spite of a considerable amount of investigation there is no correlation of sexual abuse to sexual orientation. Gay kids do suffer more abuse — obviously because they are gay. Indoctrination? Indoctrination? Seriously? Please.

      And, by the way, God didn’t write that stuff. Men wrote those passages around 2,000 years ago. Those men thought that the sun revolved around the earth and knew very little about the natural world. They certainly did not understand human sexuality.

      • Names_Stan

        There are very few sites left where one can make claims previously falsified, without concern about citations or ridicule. And they get the added benefit of “me-too” posters who pretend the claims are valid, while counter-points and citations are deleted.

        You’ve struck upon one such site.

        • afchief

          Then leave!

          • Blaylock

            you first

      • afchief

        What you state is a typical lie stated by most liberal homosexuals who suppress the truth with lies. Homosexuality is a very dangerous lifestyle. Why do homosexual men get AIDS at a much higher rate than the heterosexual population in North America? Three main reasons: 1) a level of promiscuity in the majority of gay men 70% that boggles the ordinary mind, with up to hundreds of partners a year. This is sex as addiction, and less than 5% of heteros e.g. Magic Johnson get anything approaching these numbers. 2) the back door is not designed for sex. Its lining is thin and friable and easily damaged, allowing the HIV virus access to the bloodstream. 3) high associated drug use making for sloppy unprotected sex.

        Why spend millions on research and drugs when it would be much cheaper to prevent most AIDS cases by giving youth proper instruction on the high risks of homosexual sex? Privileging gay activists’ desire to deny their disability and present themselves as normal over the health of the gay community is wrong. Presently, they want society to spend a lot of money celebrating their “normality” (who celebrates being normal?) and then sneak back and demand more funds spent fixing their self-inflicted health problems. It a cost passed on to us all!!!

        It is the cover ups that are the proof of the evil of homosexuality. HIV is caused by homosexual behavior. Like most diseases it can be spread to innocent victims and it has and that is lied about. It is constantly mutating against the medical serums that attempt to control it and that creates related drug resistant viruses that can be blamed on something other than HIV. The corruption of the industry created by this creates a voter base to keep it going, not cure it. This is lied about. The annual HIV death rate averages 15000 in this country and 1.7 million around the world.

        75% increase in rectal cancers in the gay male community
        30% increase in HIV in the last 5yrs…. (50% in San Fransisco alone)
        60% increase in demotic violence among same sex couples
        35% increase in single parents…do to the divorce rate among gay cpls.. (in states that decide it would be a good social experiment, and good for taxes)
        50% ADD (peoples choice for disorders) Diagnosed at a high rate in children with Same sex parents.
        100% uncontrolled hatred for people that speak out against the Militant Gay Agenda

        • Blaylock

          so much hate and anger in a person who call themselves a xtian….too funny! What a hypocrite! Do you have any current citations for the drivel you’ve posted? back to speaking in tongues at charisma with you!!!

          • afchief

            The truth always offends!!! Does it not??????

        • acontraryview

          “Homosexuality is a very dangerous lifestyle.”

          Homosexuality it not a “lifestyle”.

          “HIV is caused by homosexual behavior.”

          Over 90% of people worldwide who are infected with HIV became infected through heterosexual encounters and childbirth. Lesbians have the lowest rate of HIV infection of any demographic.

          “Militant Gay Agenda”

          What agenda?

          • afchief

            Ahhh the deceived lying little liberal homo!!! Let’s see, back in the early 80s doctors originally called AIDS GRIDS, Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome, because only gays contracted it. Liberal outcries forced the change to the more neutral name. Ignoring the medical data, liberals told Americans that we must spend a fortune to cure AIDS because everyone might soon die of it. Another example of a common liberal meme; pseudoscience reveals a problem so you must spend tons of taxpayer money to fix it.

            Liberals also told us that science says that condoms would protect us from AIDS, and pretty much all other STDs. Anyone who took a sex-ed class in pre-AIDS America would be shocked by that, since they were taught that condoms were a joke because they failed so often. Science has shown that condoms will reduce the chance of catching AIDS for each time someone has sex with an infected partner — assuming they don’t fail. But if as a result of falsely believing that condoms are failsafe an individual has sex with an infected partner multiple times he will get AIDS; condoms can only delay the inevitable. Liberals ignore this bit of scientific data because they want consequence-free sex. Sadly, many people have either died or now need lifelong medical treatment because they’ve contracted AIDS after listening to this bit of liberal pseudoscience.

            I have come to expect these lies from you!!!!

          • acontraryview

            “Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome, because only gays contracted it.”

            No, not because only gays contracted it. Because the cases they were aware of in US only involved gay people.

            “I have come to expect these lies from you!!!!”

            What lies?

            I’ll ask again: What is the “Militant Gay Agenda”?

          • afchief

            When you do not have the Spirit of Christ living within you, I expect lies from you. It is quite obvious by your posts. These Facts don’t lie!!!!!!!!

            Everyone Should Know
            These Statistics on Homosexuals
            Frank Joseph, M.D.

            What is being pawned off on our children and grandchildren in public schools is the story that to be homosexual or lesbian is just another normal alternative lifestyle.

            Any of you, who have children in public schools, it would behoove you to print out the following and mail it to the principal of your child’s school, with a little note stating:

            I don’t know if the students at (name of school) are being indoctrinated that homosexuality is just another normal alternative lifestyle. If you have been, then you should print out the following and have it passed out to your students, as the truth must be told in order to preserve their health and avoid cutting off about 15-20 years of their life span.

            If the authorities give you a hard time, I would take my child out of that school and put him/her in a private school, and if you cannot afford it, I would homeschool him/her. And you can tell that to the principal.

            Or, you can wait until one day, your child comes home and says, “Mom, I think I’m homosexual.”

            I just heard that in the Los Angeles school district that the enrollments are considerably down (20-30,000) and has caused much grief to the school hierarchy, as the amount of money received is based on the number of students. Probably because more parents are homeschooling.

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            The statistics on homosexuality and its effects

            Some statistics about the homosexual lifestyle:

            One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners (3).

            One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.

            Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting (7).

            Many homosexuals don’t pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: “Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior” (16).

            Homosexuals got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) conference on successive years. “Guerrilla theater tactics and more straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence” (2). Since homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental illnesses, so has pedophilia (except when the adult feels “subjective distress”) (27).

            Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States (5). They make up only 1-2% of the population.

            Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the “gay bowel syndrome” (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus (27).

            73% of psychiatrists say homosexuals are less happy than the average person, and of those psychiatrists, 70% say that the unhappiness is NOT due to social stigmatization (13).

            25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics (11).

            Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film “The Castro”, one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to “cruisy areas” and have anonymous sex.

            78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs (20).

            Judge John Martaugh, chief magistrate of the New York City Criminal Court has said, “Homosexuals account for half the murders in large cities” (10).

            Captain William Riddle of the Los Angeles Police says, “30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals” (10).

            50% of suicides can be attributed to homosexuals (10).

            Dr. Daniel Capron, a practicing psychiatrist, says, “Homosexuality by definition is not healthy and wholesome. The homosexual person, at best, will be unhappier and more unfulfilled than the sexually normal person” (10). For other psychiatrists who believe that homosexuality is wrong, please see National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality.

            It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us(10).

            Gay parade in New York

            Close-up of one of the New York “Gay Parades”

            Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population.

            Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne (8).

            37% of homosexuals engage in sadomasochism, which accounts for many accidental deaths. In San Francisco, classes were held to teach homosexuals how to not kill their partners during sadomasochism (8).

            41% of homosexuals say they have had sex with strangers in public restrooms, 60% say they have had sex with strangers in bathhouses, and 64% of these encounters have involved the use of illegal drugs (8).

            Depending on the city, 39-59% of homosexuals are infected with intestinal parasites like worms, flukes and amoebae, which is common in filthy third world countries (8).

            The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75 (8).

            The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79 (8).

            Homosexuals are 100 times more likely to be murdered (usually by another homosexual) than the average person, 25 times more likely to commit suicide, and 19 times more likely to die in a traffic accident (8).

            21% of lesbians die of murder, suicide or traffic accident, which is at a rate of 534 times higher than the number of white heterosexual females aged 25-44 who die of these things(8).

            50% of the calls to a hotline to report “queer bashing” involved domestic violence (i.e., homosexuals beating up other homosexuals) (18).

            About 50% of the women on death row are lesbians (12). Homosexuals prey on children.

            33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7).

            There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is “SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.” This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States.

            Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19).

            73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9).

            Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: “The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality” (22).

            Because homosexuals can’t reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting “TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT” in their homosexual parades. A group called the “Lesbian Avengers” prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print “WE RECRUIT” on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren’t as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) (8). See the DC Lesbian Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they threaten to recruit little boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.

          • acontraryview

            Putting aside that most of that is simply false, how is any of it related to the legal rights of citizens?

            I’ll ask again: What lies?

            I’ll ask yet again: What is the “Militant Gay Agenda”?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Any sources for your claims?

          • afchief

            The truth always offends, does it not?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Your truth? Nope it doesn’t.

          • afchief

            We Christians know that the god of this world (satan) has blinded the minds of the unbelieving. Because we know the truth about homosexuality and how deviant, perverted and dangerous this lifestyle is.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Roflmao!!!! Yep like I stated before, not offended by you truth. Ridiculous, that is what your truth is.

          • afchief

            Hebrews 9:27 (NASB) And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,

          • Names_Stan

            It’s helps to peel back all the “statistics” presented, and look at the underlying reasoning in play here.

            And you can tell that to the principal. Or you can wait one day and the child comes home and says, “Mom, I think I’m homosexual.”

            This line of reasoning can only make sense to someone who:
            A) Has been heavily indoctrinated that sexual sins are far and away the worst (and in truth the only real) sins.
            and,
            B) Experiences same-sex attraction.

            If these two are paired together in someone, it’s hard not to empathize with their worldview. Because it’s very easy to understand why this combination is terrifying for a parent, who has already had to face it.

            And who has already determined that the only fix for it is homeschooling. (aka, keeping them away from pretty much everybody).

            Very simply put, the fallacious component here is the underlying belief that all boys secretly harbor sexual curiosity for other boys.

            I’d like to see some social science research on this. If it’s been done, I’m unaware of it.

      • Reason2012

        Men wrote those passages around 2,000 years ago. Those men thought that the sun revolved around the earth and knew very little about the natural world.

        You couldn’t be more wrong. They in fact knew things no one could have known.

        Scientific facts in the Bible thousands of years before scientists ever discovered them, when people could not have possibly figured such things out yet, which is more proof there’s far more to the Bible than just another “man-made book”.

        evidencebible
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        com/witnessingtool/scientificfactsintheBible.shtml

        1 Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of invisible atoms. Here, Scripture tells us that the “things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”

        2 Medical science has only recently discovered that blood-clotting in a newborn reaches its peak on the eighth day, then drops. The Bible consistently says that a baby must be circumcised on the eighth day.

        At a time when it was believed that the earth sat? on a large animal or a giant (1500 B.C.), the Bible spoke of the earth’s free float in space: “He…hangs the earth upon nothing” (Job 26:7).

        3 Solomon described a “cycle” of air currents two thousand years before scientists “discovered” them. “The wind goes toward the south, and turns about unto the north; it whirls about continually, and the wind returns again according to his circuits” (Ecclesiastes 1:6).

        4 The great biological truth concerning the importance of blood in our body’s mechanism has been fully comprehended only in recent years. Up until 120 years ago, sick people were “bled,” and many died because of the practice. If you lose your blood, you lose your life. Yet Leviticus 17:11, written 3,000 years ago, declared that blood is the source of life: “For the life of the flesh is in the blood.”

        5 Encyclopedia Britannica documents that in 1845, a young doctor in Vienna named Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis was horrified at the terrible death rate of women who gave birth in hospitals. As many as 30 percent died after giving birth. Semmelweis noted that doctors would examine the bodies of patients who died, then, without washing their hands, go straight to the next ward and examine expectant mothers. This was their normal practice, because the presence of microscopic diseases was unknown. Semmelweis insisted that doctors wash their hands before examinations, and the death rate immediately dropped to 2 percent. Look at the specific instructions God gave His people for when they encounter disease: “And when he that has an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself even days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean” (Leviticus 15:13). Until recent years, doctors washed their hands in a bowl of water, leaving invisible germs on their hands. However, the Bible says specifically to wash hands under “running water.”

        6 Luke 17:34–36 says the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will occur while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities in the field. This is a clear indication of a revolving earth, with day and night at the same time.

        7 “During the devastating Black Death of the fourteenth century, patients who were sick or dead were kept in the same rooms as the rest of the family. People often wondered why the disease was affecting so many people at one time. They attributed these epidemics to ‘bad air’ or ‘evil spirits.’ However, careful attention to the medical commands of God as revealed in Leviticus would have saved untold millions of lives. Arturo Castiglione wrote about the overwhelming importance of this biblical medical law: ‘The laws against leprosyin Leviticus 13 may be regarded as the first model of sanitary legislation’ (A History of Medicine).” Grant R. Jeffery, The Signature of God With all these truths revealed in Scripture,how could a thinking person deny that the Bible is supernatural in origin? There is no other book in any of the world’s religions (Vedas, Bhagavad-Gita, Koran, Book of Mormon, etc.) that contains scientific truth. In fact, they contain statements that are clearly unscientific. Hank Hanegraaff said, “Faith in Christ is not some blind leap into a dark chasm, but a faith based on established evidence.” (11:3 continued)

        8 At a time when it was believed that the earth sat on a large animal or a giant (1500 B.C.), the Bible spoke of the earth’s free float in space: “He…hangs the earth upon nothing” (Job 26:7).

        9 The prophet Isaiah also tells us that the earth is round: “It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth” (Isaiah 40:22). This is not a reference to a flat disk, as some skeptic maintain, but to a sphere. Secular man discovered this 2,400 years later. At a time when science believed that the earth was flat, is was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world

        10 God told Job in 1500 B.C.: “Can you send lightnings, that they may go, and say to you, Here we are?” (Job 38:35). The Bible here is making what appears to be a scientifically ludicrous statement—that light can be sent, and then manifest itself in speech. But did you know that radio waves travel at the speed of light? This is why you can have instantaneous wireless communication with someone on the other side of the earth. Science didn’t discover this until 1864 when “British scientist James Clerk Maxwell suggested that electricity and light waves were two forms of the same thing” (Modern Century Illustrated Encyclopedia).

        There’s many more than this. We will be without excuse when we face God – forgiveness is available now, but will not be when it’s too late. You do realize the devil would do all he can to deceive as many as he can, do you not? Jesus spent more time warning about avoiding hell than about gaining heaven. Please think on these things.

        • Blaylock

          you have lost all credibility with this nonsense. hopefully you’re not a scientist or in medicine because you have LOTS to learn!

    • Valri

      There are not words to express how sad, vile and utterly disgusting it is that you actually believe something so archaic, cruel and horrible.

      • afchief

        The dirty truth of the matter is homosexuality is not about ‘love’, it is about sex. You can love someone without fulfilling a hedonistic lustful desire. Nothing about the homosexual ‘movement’ is honest. No one will ever convince true Christians and clear thinking people of our country that there is anything normal about homosexuality. It is a deviant, perversion and sin.

        • Valri

          Of all the stupid and horrible things I read about homosexuals, the idea that they are incapable of love is about the worst. Why on earth would they not be able to feel the same exact love towards each other as a heterosexual couple? Are they inhuman monsters or something?

          • afchief

            Did I say they could not love? I said their lifestyle is not about love , but about sex. Homosexuality is a sin in God’s eyes. None of this is about love or real “equality,” but about making a cudgel for state sanctioned approval and forced acceptance. The next step is universal anti-discrimination laws to hound and “out” anyone not in all out approval of gays. This is already happening in some places like Houston where they passed a non-discrimination ordinance that anyone can use the bathroom of their choice, male or female, and now the openly lesbian mayor has subpoenaed the sermons of pastors to see if they are showing bias against gays or talking about her. Think not wanting to bake a cake for a gay wedding and losing your business over it is bad? Wait until you lose your career for not wanting to endorse some obnoxious twerp’s lifestyle, and non-approval or silence is taken as an unforgivable hate crime.

        • Blaylock

          are you gay? if not, you have zero idea. the only deviants are the fringe lunatics like yourself who spend all of their time bashing gays. get a life

          • afchief

            It’s not about bashing gays, but showing them their lifestyle is dangerous, a sin, and there is a way out. No words or pretense can change nature’s and God’s design. Two men or two women does not a marriage make. Changing the legal definition does not change reality. Sorry, it will always be two homosexuals pretending to be normal…ALWAYS

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            I was watching a stand-up comedian last night, can’t remember his name, and hexsaid that those who protest too much against homosexuals are having a problem with their sexual orientation and probably are homosexuals. And my first thought was, ‘bingo, he really nailed it’

      • Reason2012

        Sorry you feel that way. When we face God and end up being cast into_hell for acting on such things and refusing to repent, it’s then you’ll realize how sad, vile, cruel and horrible it was for people to deceive others into believing the lie such behaviors were fine with God. And you’ll also realize those who truly cared are the ones that risked the hate of those into such behaviors to warn them and give them a chance to turn away from acting upon such things.

    • Blaylock

      nice fables….any real comments?

    • Cosmic Mastermind

      Pay no attention to God, he couldn’t even be bothered to write that book himself.

      • Reason2012

        If He did and you were told so, you still would not believe.

        “Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets [the Bible]; let them hear them.
        And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
        And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”

        Luke 16:27-31

        • Cosmic Mastermind

          But he didn’t. I think I might take a book written by a god more seriously than a book written by men.

  • Nidalap

    ‘Love travels’, but lust spreads like a contagion…

    • Faithwalker

      I agree wth you Nidalap. In conjunction when lust spreads disease spreads with it, whether one is heterosexual or homosexual. With sinful behavior, there are not only spiritual consequences but also bio-psycho-social ramifications. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death (James 1:15 NASB). Living for and submitting to a Holy and Living God is the only way to live!

    • Names_Stan

      ‘Love travels’, but lust spreads like a contagion

      I think I know what you’re implying here, but it’s a rather brave one.

      I’ve never known anyone who “caught” same sex attraction. I’ve often heard theory of DavidHart above that hetero- and homo- attraction are ends of a spectrum, and many people fall somewhere in the middle.

      I only know that I’ve never had so much as an ounce of attraction to males, and I have always enjoyed a great appreciation for the ladies.

      I roomed with homosexuals in college, knew them well from high school til the present day. They are all unique individuals, all human beings. Not a one of them ever suggested anything untoward to me. One guy said a gay man knows who else is gay, just as I would know when a female is interested in me. I think that’s absolutely true.

      I don’t know if I believe the “spectrum” theory. But I do believe it is the 100% hetero- people like me that have zero problem with homosexuals. And I believe the ones who have the most issues are the ones who struggle with attraction.

      After all, nobody could possibly believe something was a “choice”, if they couldn’t imagine choosing it.

      Personally, I can’t imagine choosing it, not one iota.

      • Jolanda Tiellemans

        Yeah, gays call it the ‘gaydar’.

        • Names_Stan

          I believe they do indeed. 🙂

          I was young back when the ‘metrosexual’ term was first in circulation. I took the occasional bit of fashion advice, but I drew a line in places too. For instance, it took me years to get on board with ‘hair product’, and I’m still mortified by ‘skinny’ jeans.

          Skinny anything, actually.

    • Valri

      So two gay men can’t be in love, only in lust? Look at the picture above. They look pretty much in love to me.

      • Nidalap

        A picture IS worth a thousand words…the words need not be true necessarily, but still…

        • Valri

          No reason to believe there’s anything untrue going on in that picture. Homosexuals fall in love just like anyone else.

      • afchief

        No words or pretense can change nature’s and God’s design. Two men or two women does not a marriage make. Changing the legal definition does not change reality. Sorry, it will always be two homosexuals pretending to be normal…ALWAYS!!!!!

        • Valri

          Well, God’s design isn’t what you think it is then, because homosexuality has been around forever and occurs throughout the animal kingdom. Homosexuals only “pretend” when they are guilted by churches and society into sham marriages which are loveless and false. You should stop imposing your ideas of “normal” on other people.

          • John_33

            Pedophilia and infanticide occurs in the animal kingdom too, but we don’t use that as an argument to legalize those practices. Murder, theft, and assault have also always been here too, but we don’t use that as a reason to legalize those crimes either.

          • Blaylock

            homosexuality isn’t against the law like pedophilia and murder

          • John_33

            Yes, but that has nothing to do with my point. If Valri wishes to argue the point that homosexuality occurs throughout the animal kingdom or because it has been around forever, then Valri must also accept the same for pedophilia and infanticide since they are found in the animal kingdom and have been around forever. It’s the reasons that Valri gave that are the same.

          • acontraryview

            She was not addressing issues of legality.

          • John_33

            Neither was I, so I don’t understand your point.

          • acontraryview

            “Neither was I”

            You: “Pedophilia and infanticide occurs in the animal kingdom too, but we don’t use that as an argument to legalize those practices.”

            Yes, you were.

          • John_33

            Ah, thanks. My point was addressing the arguments Valri used.

          • acontraryview

            “My point was addressing the arguments Valri used.”

            Valri did not present an argument that actions between two people should be legally allowed since they occur in nature. So, no, you were not addressing the arguments Valri used. You wrongly used her arguments to present arguments that were unrelated. If you are going to address her arguments, then at least do so with integrity, rather than falsehood.

          • John_33

            So remove the aspect of legality from my comment. My point is still the same that Valri’s arguments are moot for the reasons I already mentioned above.

          • acontraryview

            Valor’s only argument was that homosexuality exists in nature and thus is natural. How is that argument rendered moot by what you posted?

          • John_33

            You can read the comments if you wish since it’s all public.

          • acontraryview

            I have. Nothing you said rendered her argument moot. If you disagree, please point out what you said that renders her argument moot. It’s quite easy to cut and paste.

          • John_33

            I’d simply paste my comments here below. 🙂 I’m not going to repeat myself again when the comments are public.

          • acontraryview

            Let me help.

            You mentioned cannibalism. The discussion was about sexuality and sexual attraction. Cannibalism is unrelated. While I certainly find cannibalism abhorrent, the reason it is not legal has nothing to do with my view of it. It is illegal because it violates protections provided for under our constitution.

            You mentioned infanticide. The discussion was about sexuality and sexual attraction. infanticide is unrelated. Further, the term “infanticide” refers to people killing their children within the first year of birth. It does not apply to animals.

            You mentioned pedophilia. What are some examples in the animal kingdom of animals having sexual relations with their offspring prior to maturity? While I certainly view pedophilia as a heinous act, it is not illegal because of my views on it. It is illegal because it violates protections provided for by our Constitution.

            You further posited: “If consent is the only thing we need, then what about adult incestuous or polygamous relationships?”

            What about them? While many view them as immoral and disgusting, they are not illegal. Or are you suggesting that what should be legally allowed should be determined upon what you view as being moral and immoral?

            That pretty much covers the content of your post. So, please, tell me where in your statements your rendered the argument of homosexuality existing in nature, moot.

          • John_33

            I’m sorry, but you did nothing to help. As I said before, remove the legality of the situation, and my point remains. I was discussing only to the logic behind Valri’s statements.

            I mentioned cannibalism because it occurs in the animal kingdom, not because of its legal status. Therefore, the point that homosexuality occurs in the animal kingdom, on its own, is moot. Cannibalism occurs naturally in animals too, but we know better than to practice that.

            It’s the same with infanticide. The conversation was not about sexuality but rather about homosexuality’s presence in the animal kingdom. Infanticide also occurs naturally in the wild. Humans know, however, that it’s wrong to invade homes kill other people’s children (as happens in the wild). In other words, just because it occurs in animals doesn’t mean that it’s natural for us to do it. Also, you are mistaken. Infanticide also applies to animals. See Infanticide_(zoology) on Wikipedia.

            As for examples of pedophilia in animals, some snakes, bonobos, and penguins, and other creatures sometimes mate with immature members. There’s nothing we can infer from animals mating with young members. Neither can we infer anything with homosexuality (claims that animals are homosexual or have a homosexual orientation are extremely overblown) being in the animal kingdom. That’s why Valri’s points about homosexuality occurring in nature are moot.

            What about them? While many view them as immoral and disgusting, they are not illegal. Or are you suggesting that what should be legally allowed should be determined upon what you view as being moral and immoral?

            Actually, incest is illegal in most states to varying degrees. My point was that they are consensual relationships too, yet most humans reject them as immoral; therefore, morality (and the laws) is not determined simply based on “consent” as Valri claimed. Morality is goes much deeper than that. That’s why the arguments for homosexuality are moot. Pro-LGBT arguments about the morality of consent among informed adults and homosexuality naturally occurring in the animal kingdom fall apart when scrutinized.

          • acontraryview

            Here is the post she was responding to:”No words or pretense can change nature’s and God’s design. Two men or two women does not a marriage make. Changing the legal definition does not change reality. Sorry, it will always be two homosexuals pretending to be normal…ALWAYS!!!!!”

            The topic of discussion was civil marriage.

            Here is her response: “Well, God’s design isn’t what you think it is then, because homosexuality has been around forever and occurs throughout the animal kingdom. Homosexuals only “pretend” when they are guilted by churches and society into sham marriages which are loveless and false. You should stop imposing your ideas of “normal” on other people.”

            “Homosexuality has been around forever” – true.

            “homosexuality occurs throughout the animal kingdom” – true.

            Valri is positing that since homosexuality has been around forever and occurs in the animal kingdom, that it is not contrary to God’s design. Needless to say, there is no way to prove or disprove that argument.

            With that said, her argument regarding homosexual behavior existing in the animal kingdom is unrelated to civil marriage, as animals do not enter into civil marriage.

            In turn, your arguments are also irrelevant to the topic, as they do not deal with civil marriage.

            “Actually, incest is illegal in most states to varying degrees.”

            incestuous marriage is illegal in most states to varying degrees. Sexual relations between related adults is not.

            “therefore, morality (and the laws) is not determined simply based on “consent” as Valri claimed.”

            She made no claim that consent serves as a sole basis.

            “Morality is goes much deeper than that.”

            She did not discuss morality. What is viewed as “moral” and what is not varies from person to person. While there are some fairly universal views regarding certain activities, there is disagreement on a wide range of others.

            “Pro-LGBT arguments about the morality of consent among informed adults”

            The arguments do not center on the moral aspect of it. They center on the legal aspect of it.

            “homosexuality naturally occurring in the animal kingdom fall apart when scrutinized.”

            They are not arguments about morality. They are arguments about naturalness.

          • John_33

            With that said, her argument regarding homosexual behavior existing in the animal kingdom is unrelated to civil marriage, as animals do not enter into civil marriage.

            In turn, your arguments are also irrelevant to the topic, as they do not deal with civil marriage.

            If her argument regarding homosexual behavior existing in the animal kingdom was unrelated to civil marriage and my argument concerning her statements on that issue was also unrelated to civil marriage, then the issue we were discussing between each other was not civil marriage.

            incestuous marriage is illegal in most states to varying degrees. Sexual relations between related adults is not.

            You need to do research. The act itself is illegal in many states among adults.

            She made no claim that consent serves as a sole basis.

            She argued that morality was based on abuse against an unwilling party, i.e. a lack of consent.

            She did not discuss morality. What is viewed as “moral” and what is not varies from person to person. While there are some fairly universal views regarding certain activities, there is disagreement on a wide range of others.

            Yes she did:

            Valri: “Human beings take our moral code from things based on whether they constitute abuse towards a party that is unwilling…”

            They are not arguments about morality. They are arguments about naturalness.

            And they fall completely apart when compared to humans. Is it natural for animals to practice cannibalism? Yes. Is it for humans? No. Is it natural for animals to practice infanticide? Yes. Is it for humans? No. Is it natural for animals to mate with younger members? Yes. Is it for humans? No. So when LGBT activists argue that it’s natural in animals (again, I dispute that our notions of homosexual orientation are present in animals), you must ask the question whether that makes it natural for humans. What’s natural for animals is not necessarily natural for humans unless you wish to infer that all of the previous items I mentioned are just as natural for humans to commit.

            We’ve discussed this issue for a few days now and no progress has been made. I think it’s time to politely bow out of this discussion for that reason.

          • acontraryview

            “then the issue we were discussing between each other was not civil marriage.”

            That both of your comments were irrelevant to the topic does not change the topic.

            “The act itself is illegal in many states among adults.”

            I stand corrected.

            “She argued that our moral code was based on abuse against an unwilling party, i.e. a lack of consent.”

            That occurred later in your discussion with her. She made no such assertion in the post your originally responded to where you introduced unrelated analogies.

            “What’s natural for animals is not necessarily natural”

            “not necessarily” means that some things are and some things are not. Therefore, one example does not negate another, thus rendering one moot.

            “I think it’s time to politely bow out of this discussion for that reason.”

            Agreed.

          • afchief

            No it is NOT natural. Any reasonable and rational mind KNOWS anal sex is not natural. It is perversion and deviant behavior.

          • acontraryview

            Your fixation on anal sex is interesting.

            “It is perversion and deviant behavior.”

            You are certainly entitled to you opinion.

          • afchief

            No, it’s truth!!!

          • acontraryview

            You are certainly free to believe that.

          • Valri

            As human beings we know that pedophilia and infanticide are immoral and non-consensual which is why we don’t use that as an argument for ANYTHING. Homosexuality however is consensual and hurts no one.

            Murder, theft and assault are also acts of abuse and do not involve informed consent. This concept is often completely lost on Christian fundamentalists.

          • John_33

            You missed the point. It’s no more noteworthy that homosexuality is found in the animal kingdom than it is that pedophilia and infanticide are found in the animal kingdom. If you don’t agree with pedophilia or infanticide, then why note that homosexuality is in the animal kingdom? Animals do lots of things — many of which are immoral for us to copy. In fact, I find it interesting that you state (correctly) that pedophilia and infanticide are immoral. But if it’s immoral for humans, then pointing out that homosexuality is in the animal kingdom is moot. They also commit pedophilia and infanticide. We aren’t to copy animals.

            Secondly, murder, theft, and assault do involve lots of abuse, but that’s not my point. I was simply demonstrating that the argument that homosexuality occurs everywhere is moot. Murder, theft, and assault occurs everywhere in the world as well. I’m not comparing the two acts; I’m simply demonstrating that the two arguments you used are nullified by other examples that fall under your argument.

          • Valri

            I think the one missing the point is yourself. The point of homosexuality being found throughout the animal kingdom wasn’t to suggest anything about its morality, only that it occurs naturally (which clearly goes against the common claim made by your kind that it is “chosen”).

            Human beings take our moral code from things based on whether they constitute abuse towards a party that is unwilling, making pedophilia, murder, theft, infanticide, etc. prime examples of things that are a no-no. And the law frowns upon all these things and they are illegal. Where you seem to struggle is with the concept of informed consent. Homosexual couples are consensual and cause no harm to anyone at all.

          • John_33

            Yes, but many things occur naturally in the animal kingdom that we can control. We don’t practice cannibalism because we find it abhorrent, but it occurs naturally in the animal kingdom. We don’t practice infanticide because we also find it to be abhorrent, but it occurs naturally in the animal kingdom. We can choose our actions even if we find that we have tendencies to act otherwise.

            I think you’re trying too hard to justify morality on consent alone. If consent is the only thing we need, then what about adult incestuous or polygamous relationships? They are consensual. No, morality goes beyond consent. As disgusting as it is, an adult daughter engaging in a relationship with her adult mother would be considered a consensual relationship, yet the vast majority of humans know that that is deeply immoral.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            Well.. now that you bring up the subject, no there really is no rational objection to polygamous (or polyamorous) relationships, or even to incestuous relationships if they are consensual and cause no harm.

            For an act to be considered immoral, you must first demonstrate that there are negative consequences, or at the very least an obstruction to a more positive outcome. No, not even incest is inherently immoral, it may become immoral if the welfare of others is compromised, but if not, then it cannot be immoral.

          • John_33

            Then am I correct that you tell people who oppose incest and polygamy that they are bigots then when they don’t support those acts?

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            No not really, it’s easy to understand why people would feel uneasy about something so complicated and I’m not going to criticize them for not having thought about it deeply enough. But I do say pretty much what I just wrote; I’ll tell them it’s not such a black & white issue.

          • John_33

            Okay. What makes it so complicated?

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            That would take a while to explain so I’ll cheat and say “look it up”.
            Incest does not automatically entail pregnancy (especially if the couple are gay) and – this surprised me – the risks of first generation incestuous reproduction are quite low, the health risks to the child being only slightly higher that for the general population. The risks and consequences increase over time with an in-bred population.

            Polygamy/polyamory works for some people and in nature a polygamous relationship is much more natural to the male for obvious reasons. Women tend to stick with one mate while men seek out multiple sexual partners. Polygamy is not better than monogamy, it comes with it’s own set of complications and downsides, but for some people it is normal.

          • marah natha

            It actually is.Two Monogamous people committed to each other do not get venereal diseases. They don’t break up anybody else’s relationships either.

          • Valri

            And that includes monogamous homosexual couples. They do not get diseases either.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            Actually, although it’s fairly rare,, it is quite possible for a partner in a completely monogamous relationship to contract STD’s and STI’s (don’t trust Dr. House, he’s a fictional TV Doctor).

            For sure, monogamy is safer than having multiple sexual partners, even safer still is never to have sex. The question is, is it worth the risk? These days we have infinitely better medicine than they had in the Ancient World and most sexual diseases can be cured or treated, so sex is safer than it once was. Nothing in life is completely safe.

          • marah natha

            God never gave commandments to animals. He does however say an animal raped by a human should be put to death, not because the animal sinned, but rather because of the possibility of venereal disease passed on to another animal. Some of those ancient cultures were so consumed with diseases that even the animals were contaminated & God said to kill them all, man, woman children and animals. Archeaology confirmed this. Remember, HIV was the product of Africans either eating diseased brains from monkeys or having sex with them. Anyone who’s seen enough ISIS videos know they rape animals and sometimes even groups of men rape them. ISIS is even having some of their captive women that are gang raped infected and then they blame the women and kill them. They also kill men that knowingly pass on the virus.

          • Valri

            No, HIV was not the product of men having sex with monkeys. That is a ridiculous lie long ago refuted.

            Tennessee State Senator Stacey Campfield was the subject of controversy in 2012 after stating that AIDS was the result of a human having sexual intercourse with a monkey.

          • afchief

            What about the obvious scientific inefficiencies of homosexuality? Can two animals of the same sex produce offspring – no. What about certain kinds of so called “natural” activities performed by same sex partners – talk to a proctologist, all joking aside, posterior sex causes a lot of damage. Frankly, science isn’t a friend to homosexuality. Survival of the fittest, if gay is born-in then nature is telling you that your genetics are unfit to pass into the future. So, it’s not us, it’s your Gaia that is “homophobic”. People can’t change their sexual orientation?…poppycock! If that is true then why the “b” in the lgtb? Bisexuals, by definition, are people who constantly change their sexual orientation. Indeed, homosexuals have changed too, some have even un-done their gayness? Gays are only a handful of people and yet we have to change everything just for them Also, kindly look up those rather expedient changes made to the DSM back in the 1970s, which removed homosexuality as a mental disorder…they have since also strike-out narcissistic personality disorder too…all this rings as something out of convenience vs. anything scientific. Especially since the person who changed the DSM was biased. FYI, the nazis used “science” very effectively to prove that the aryans were better than everyone else. What’s odd is that in the post sexual revolution, where it was thought that “anything goes” would liberate us all from the clutches of old-school chastity, in reality; it has resulted in great ignorance of human sexuality. As such, we now know less of human sexuality than before, largely because we can’t be “opened minded” on perversions like gayness or its obvious connection to pedophilia etc. People are not all hyper-sexual; in fact, sex may the second biggest driver next to survival, but its far more complex than just hedonism. What is true is that the only thing that separates a homosexual vs. others is sex. And, on that basis, no one has had the courage to point out the obvious that so much has been changed, warped and so much power has been given to gays…why? So they can have sex. sex is a luxury…its a privilege. You’ll have to do a whole lot better to justify the “plight” of homosexuals if its all about sex.

          • Valri

            “Can two animals of the same sex produce offspring – no.”

            No, but they can love and be attracted to one another, which to many people is all that is necessary in a committed relationship.

            “talk to a proctologist, all joking aside, posterior sex causes a lot of damage.”

            That has NOTHING to do with homosexuality. Straight people do it too. Many homosexual men do NOT. And practically NO lesbians, who make up half of the homosexuals in the world. That’s a very bad argument.

            “Survival of the fittest, if gay is born-in then nature is telling you that your genetics are unfit to pass into the future.”

            Which might be a problem if 100% of the population was homosexual, however it’s not and never has been. Some might say it’s nature’s way of controlling overpopulation.

            “If that is true then why the “b” in the lgtb? Bisexuals, by definition, are people who constantly change their sexual orientation.”

            No, they are people who fall at a point midway through the scale where they are able to develop attractions to people of either sex. They don’t CHANGE it, they have always been that way. No one does and no one can. Your sexuality is the hand you are dealt.

            “all this rings as something out of convenience vs. anything scientific.”

            Back in the 1970s, homosexuals were such a marginalized segment of society that a bunch of them banding together to lobby any scientific organization would have had almost no effect at all. The APA declassified homosexuality as a mental illness because they had new data, better ways of measuring it, and anyway it’s not just the APA that declassified it, almost all mental health organizations did.

            “gayness or its obvious connection to pedophilia”

            There is no connection whatsoever. Pedophilia is an illness and it is illegal because a child cannot consent. Homosexuality involved two consenting adults and no one is harmed. They are utterly and completely different.

            “why? So they can have sex.”

            Sex is a component of love. Why do you focus on the sex when it’s a homosexual couple and completely ignore the fact that you have two people in love, when you don’t do that with a straight couple – do you instantly think of straight couples having sex too, when it’s obvious that’s going to be a part of what they do?

          • afchief

            I know there is an evil spirit behind this lifestyle we call homosexuality. The lies, deception, the deviant and perverted behavior is easily identified.

            Most animals engage in homosexual behavior as a bullying method, to degrade and humiliate others, bringing them down in the pecking order. Are you declaring that human homosexual sex has the same purpose and meaning?

            Very few hetros have anal sex. The anal cavity is NOT meant for sex. It is perversion. It is filthy. It is sick!!!

            Before 1973 the APA (American Psychiatric Association ) classified Homosexuality as a mental disorder. Since then it was bought out and taken over by the homofascists (I think the book was called ’81 words’, and it was a glowing account of how homosexual psychologists etc. took over the APA so that they could change the definition of homosexuality from a mental illness. Truly the inmates run the asylum.) As Dr. Cummings, former president of the APA, said, the opinions of the APA on homosexuality are no longer based on science and there was no new science to declassify Homosexuality as a mental disorder at that time or now.

            To me marriage means the act of uniting a man and woman for life; known as “wedlock”; the legal union of a man and woman for life. Marriage is a covenant by which the Husband and Wife engage to live together in mutual affection and fidelity (though many have failed that test), till death shall separate them. Marriage was instituted by God himself. But then again…….if people don’t know God’s intent in creating MARRIAGE”…….I’m sure it WOULDN’T mean anything to them………

            If men were made to lay together when two sperm came together they would equal a child then I would say yes to gay marriage….. and that will never happen. I will not change my moral compass to make a small group of people feel better about their deviated behaviors.

            We Christians seek to preserve traditional institutions while progressives seek to destroy them. The progressives have destroyed marriage. They have reduced it to nothing more than a contract filed at the courthouse and removed any religious significance whatsoever. Gay marriage and easy divorce send the message that marriage is meaningless when anyone can marry anything and any dispute can be resolved with divorce if one spouse wishes it. Couples no longer work through their marital problems to preserve their marriages at all costs because they swore before God that they would – they just shrug their shoulders and divorce. Marriage meant something to me, but not to my spouse, so I’m just out of luck. The stability of the family unit for raising children has been undermined and destroyed in America. We will continue to reap the ill fruits of the social instability we’ve sown for many generations.

            The fact is, family, church and schools are the building blocks of what once made our country thrive. The schools are gone and are now a mechanism of progressive/liberal indoctrination. Churches like the Episcopalians, Catholics and black churches are being subverted, liberalized to the point of near uselessness. Marriage and families have been dismantled by welfare, no fault divorce, emasculation and stigmatization. That said, is there any wonder why our country is failing and will continue to decline into economic and moral poverty? Babylon has fallen!

          • acontraryview

            “Very few hetros have anal sex.”

            Various studies show the number at around 60%.

            “The progressives have destroyed marriage.”

            How so?

            “They have reduced it to nothing more than a contract filed at the courthouse and removed any religious significance whatsoever.”

            Civil marriage has never required a religious component. That has not changed.

            “The stability of the family unit for raising children has been undermined and destroyed in America.”

            When was it stable?

          • afchief

            “Various studies show the number at around 60%”

            That is a boldface lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rarely does any hetro participate in anal sex.

            Marriage is not about love. In many countries around the world, marriages are arranged. Marriage is about the rights of children and thus is about supporting the next generation. Anything that weakens the institution of marriage is an injustice to children and a travesty to the culture.

            Anal intercourse does not produce children. Further, there are complementary aspects of a man and woman that are important to the institution of marriage which go beyond the obvious physical attributes. There are things that a man needs that can only be provided by a woman, and vice versa.

            The most comprehensive study to date of the psychological and social status of adults with homosexual parents is that of Mark Regnerus of the University of Texas (Study). Based on a random sample of about 15,000 this study reported results consistent with common sense, that those raised in a traditional man-woman intact marriage did best. Those with a homosexual parent(s) were the:

            most apt to say they were not exclusively heterosexual
            most apt to to be on welfare
            most apt to have gotten a sexually transmitted infection
            most apt to have recently thought of suicide
            most apt to report being raped
            most apt to test impulsive
            most apt to smoke
            most apt to report heavy TB viewing
            most apt to have been arrested
            most apt to have pled guilty to a crime
            most apt to score high on depression
            most promiscuous
            least apt to be employed
            least apt to report being able to depend on others
            least apt to report having felt secure and safe in their family

            It isn’t that gay people are necessarily bad parents, but children thrive most fully when raised by a mother and a father. The Witherspoon Institute’s Report on Marriage explains why: There are crucial sex differences in parenting. Mothers are more sensitive to the cries, words, and gestures of infants, toddlers, and adolescents, and partly as a consequence, they are better at providing physical and emotional nurture to their children.” Complementing that, “Fathers are more likely than mothers to encourage their children to tackle difficult tasks, endure hardship without yielding, and seek out novel experiences.” Similar arguments appear in a policy brief by the Institute for Marriage and Public Policy and a journal article from the University of St. Thomas Law Journal.

          • acontraryview

            “That is a boldface lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rarely does any hetro participate in anal sex.”

            No, it is not a lie. Here are some studies – remove the spaces:

            http:// jid.oxfordjournals. org/content/196/12/1852.full

            http:// http://www.cdc. gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf

            “Marriage is not about love.”

            Perhaps not for you, but for the majority of people love is certainly a determining factor in the desire to marry.

            “Marriage is about the rights of children and thus is about supporting the next generation.”

            Being legally married does not change the rights of children. It changes the rights of parents.

            “Anything that weakens the institution of marriage is an injustice to children and a travesty to the culture.”

            How does allowing two citizens of the same gender to enter into civil marriage weaken marriage and result in an injustice to children?

            “There are things that a man needs that can only be provided by a woman, and vice versa.”

            Such as?

            “Anal intercourse does not produce children.”

            How is that relevant to issue of the legality of two citizens of the same gender entering into civil marriage? Civil marriage carries no requirement of procreation, nor is being married necessary for procreation.

            “The most comprehensive study to date of the psychological and social status of adults with homosexual parents is that of Mark Regnerus of the University of Texas (Study)”

            The study by Regnerus has been widely discredited. In addition, the study by Regnerus did NOT include, as a comparison group, children raised by married same-gender couples.

            “It isn’t that gay people are necessarily bad parents, but children thrive most fully when raised by a mother and a father.”

            There is no data to support that children raised in a household with two parents of opposite gender have any different outcomes than children raised in a household with two parents of the same gender. Further, that topic is unrelated to the issue of the legality of same-gender civil marriage. Being allowed to legally marry does not impact the legality of homosexuals raising children.

          • afchief

            There is NO doubt in my mind that this is a boldface lie. Using homo/liberal friendly sites is how the homo movement justifies their behavior that we all know to be deviant, perverted, dangerous and sinful!!!!! The vitriol of the gay movement was obvious back in the 80s. They have attacked anybody who disagrees with them, charging opponents with psychological disorders (homophobes) or blatantly declaring those who do not condone homosexuality as “haters”. I’ve been called this many times – usually after mentioning my faith in what the Bible says (Leviticus and Romans) and the historical reasons for not building societies on such behavior. A people given to replacing conventional families and morals with lust and complacency will find their society in chaos and crumbling. Mostly, I’ve looked upon the gay movement as political. Bill Ayers – there’s a guy who pushes this garbage – and one of his goals is to break down the family. Break the family, you break the country. The black culture is in chaos because of this. And so, the gay movement is essential to bringing the nation to its knees – and as a stated goal early on, the gays declared they will try and bring the church to its knees. I wonder if you gays have read or heard the Word – that in the end, EVERY knee shall bow, EVERY tongue shall confess. Oh. I guess that makes me a hater. Then, so be it.

          • acontraryview

            “There is NO doubt in my mind that this is a boldface lie.”

            Ignoring facts doesn’t change them.

            “is how the homo movement justifies their behavior”

            No justification is needed.

            “we all know to be deviant, perverted, dangerous and sinful!!!!!”

            Your opinion is a minority one in the US.

            “I’ve been called this many times”

            While I certainly do not condone name calling, if the shoe fits……..

            I’ll ask again:

            How does allowing two citizens of the same gender to enter into civil marriage weaken marriage and result in an injustice to children?

            What things does a man need that can only be provided by a woman and vice-versa?

            How is anal sex not resulting in procreation relevant to issue of the legality of two citizens of the same gender entering into civil marriage?

            “Oh. I guess that makes me a hater. Then, so be it.”

            Your belief that “in the end, EVERY knee shall bow, EVERY tongue shall confess” does not make you a hater. You are entitled to your beliefs and holding to them is not an indication of being a hater. On the other hand, attempting to use your beliefs as a basis for harming others is an entirely different subject.

          • afchief

            Sorry, but I KNOW it is a lie!!!! We Christians have always seen homosexuality as a sin and always will. Homosexuality is death. There is NOTHING wholesome about it. Let’s look at the healthcare costs of sodomy from ACTUAL data rather than fluffy opinionated rhetoric. Are there examples of high health care costs associated with homosexuality? YES!

            HIV/AIDS programs have gone up considerably in Massachusetts since counterfeit marriage was legalized. According to the Massachusetts Dept. of Public Health, even though the total number of new HIV/AIDS diagnoses has declined, the proportion caused by male homosexual behavior rose by over 30% from 2000-2009. Thus, for the last several years the state has budgeted $30-$35 million per year for these programs.

            Through 2007, 274,184 American men had died of AIDS whose only risk factor was sex with other men.

            AIDS is a politically protected disease, thanks to the homosexual lobby. There is more money going to medical studies to find remedies that will allow homosexuals to continue their deviant practices unabated, than there are to find CURES for other life threatening diseases, NONE of whom have ‘political protection’.

          • acontraryview

            “Sorry, but I KNOW it is a lie!!!!”

            Basis?

            “Homosexuality is death.”

            Clearly not.

            “Are there examples of high health care costs associated with homosexuality? YES!”

            And? There are high health care costs associated with being black. How is that relevant?

            “AIDS is a politically protected disease, thanks to the homosexual lobby.”

            How is it “politically protected”?

            “There is more money going to medical studies to find remedies that will allow homosexuals to continue their deviant practices unabated, than there are to find CURES for other life threatening diseases”

            The data says otherwise.

          • afchief

            You are a classic example of someone who is suffering from addiction. In this case it’s homosexuality. You deny and lie about everything. It is quiet obvious. Any rational and logical knows how perverted, deviant and dangerous this lifestyle is. But someone who is suffering from addiction does not. This is what sin is, an addiction. It blinds you! It consumes you! And it will eventually kill you.

            Gays ignore the dangers and the impact of homosexual behavior. They cover up the causes and ill effects. Every medical epidemic is sensationalized except the HIV epidemic. That cover up is a smoking gun to the evil. The cost to the rest of us is never, never reported on. Never in my life time has a behavior that causes on average 15,000 deaths a year in this country and 1.7 million around the world been declared a constitutional right.

            Homosexuality is death. It is sin. And those who in it’s grip will continue to lie and hide the obvious. But we Christians see the spiritual side to this sin. We know what you are going through. We know satan has you in his grasp. And we know Jesus and only Jesus can set you free from this sin.

          • acontraryview

            So you have no basis to backup your assertion that I lied. Got it. I guess you aren’t concerned about the sin of bearing false witness.

            So you can’t explain how health care costs are relevant. Got it. Thanks.

            So you can’t explain what you mean when you say that AIDS is “politically protected”. Got it. Thanks.

            “1.7 million around the world”

            Approximately 90% of HIV infections world-wide are the result of heterosexual relations.

          • afchief

            When you have a deprave mind (as the word of Gods states). You are a liar!!! Most of what you post is a LIE!!!!!

            Romans 1:24-28 (NASB) Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

            26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in [e]their own persons the due penalty of their error.

            28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

            Your mind is quite DEPRAVED!!!

          • acontraryview

            “You are a liar!!! Most of what you post is a LIE!!!!!”

            Since you seem unable to provide proof of your claim that I lie, you are continuing to bear false witness. How do you reconcile that behavior with your supposed faith in Christianity?

          • afchief

            Because I can spot a reprobate mind (lying) a mile away. Everything you state is a lie!!! There is NO truth in you.

          • acontraryview

            I’ll ask again: How do you reconcile your supposed faith in Christianity with your constant bearing of false witness?

            If you are going to accuse me of being liar, at least have the integrity to cite, specifically, what I have said that is a lie.

          • afchief

            Are you really this ignorant???? When you state 90% of HIV is spread by heterosexuals any rational and logical mind KNOWS that is a boldface lie.

            You and others like you go to homo/liberal friendly sites to cite these numbers. It is SO obvious. We Christians can see right through these lies.

            When the Spirit of “truth” lives in you, it is not hard to see.

          • acontraryview

            “When you state 90% of HIV is spread by heterosexuals any rational and logical mind KNOWS that is a boldface lie.”

            The information is readily available online. I’d be happy to provide you with a link, if you like. The information is not contained on “homo/liberal friendly sites”. It is contained on sites that track HIV infections across the globe.

          • afchief

            Again, you are quite ignorant. What is the impact of homosexual behavior???? HIV!!!!! From the medical sites I read it cites the obvious!!!!

            “Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population.”

            78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs

            You have a reprobate mind. YOU CANNOT SEE THE TRUTH!!!! Your mind is blinded to lies. IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS!!!!

          • acontraryview

            “What is the impact of homosexual behavior???? HIV!!!!!”

            Clearly false. If that were true, then all homosexuals would have HIV, which they do not. Lesbians have the lowest level of HIV infection of any demographic. Again, you lie.

          • afchief

            Poor liberal homosexual!!! Again we see right through your lies!!!

            The homosexual agenda

            The homosexual agenda includes desensitizing the public: “The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights…..To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would have straights register differences in sexual preferences the way they register different tastes for ice cream or sports games….At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full ‘appreciation’ or ‘understanding’ of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing…then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won” (25).

            Part of the homosexual agenda is to get the public to affirm their filthy lifestyle, as one homosexual admitted in the October 1987 homosexual rally on Washington: “We are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a protection from wrong. We also have a right — as heterosexual Americans already have — to see government and society affirm our lives” (27).

            Part of the homosexual agenda is to turn people from Christianity: “The teaching that only male-female sexual activity within the bounds and constraints of marriage is the only acceptable form should be reason enough for any homosexual to denounce the Christian religion” (1).

            Homosexuals knowingly lied (and still lie) about the 10% figure (i.e., homosexuals make up 10% of the population). As Tom Stoddard (formerly of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund) said, “We used that figure when most gay people were entirely hidden to try to create an impression of our numerousness” (17).

          • acontraryview

            “Again we see right through your lies!!!”

            Given that you have been unable to cite even one example of something I said that was a lie, all you are doing is continuing to bear false witness.

          • afchief

            You are stuck in sin! You have a reprobate mind. Hence, the lies!!!!

            Homosexuality: The Mental Illness That Went Away
            by PHIL HICKEY on OCTOBER 8, 2011

            According to the American Psychiatric Association, until 1974 homosexuality was a mental illness. Freud had alluded to homosexuality numerous times in his writings, and had concluded that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable. Other psychiatrists wrote copiously on the subject, and homosexuality was “treated” on a wide basis. There was little or no suggestion within the psychiatric community that homosexuality might be conceptualized as anything other than a mental illness that needed to be treated. And, of course, homosexuality was listed as a mental illness in DSM-II. (The DSM – Diagnostic and Statistical Manual – is the APA’s standard classification of their so-called mental disorders, and is used by many mental health workers in the USA and other countries.)

            Then in 1970 gay activists protested against the APA convention in San Francisco. These scenes were repeated in 1971, and as people came out of the “closet” and felt empowered politically and socially, the APA directorate became increasingly uncomfortable with their stance. In 1973 the APA’s nomenclature task force recommended that homosexuality be declared normal. The trustees were not prepared to go that far, but they did vote to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses by a vote of 13 to 0, with 2 abstentions. This decision was confirmed by a vote of the APA membership, and homosexuality was no longer listed in the seventh edition of DSM-II, which was issued in 1974.

            What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific breakthrough. There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated this major change. Rather, it was the simple reality that gay people started to kick up a fuss. They gained a voice and began to make themselves heard. And the APA reacted with truly astonishing speed. And with good reason. They realized intuitively that a protracted battle would have drawn increasing attention to the spurious nature of their entire taxonomy. So they quickly “cut loose” the gay community and forestalled any radical scrutiny of the DSM system generally.

            The APA claimed that they made the change because new research showed that most homosexual people were content with their sexual orientation, and that as a group, they appeared to be as well-adjusted as heterosexual people. I suggest, however, that these research findings were simply the APA’s face-saver. For centuries, perhaps millennia, homosexual people had clung to their sexual orientation despite the most severe persecution and vilification, including imprisonment and death. Wouldn’t this suggest that they were happy with their orientation? Do we need research to confirm this? And if we do, shouldn’t we also need research to confirm that heterosexual people are happy with their orientation? And if poor adjustment is critical to a diagnosis of mental illness, where was the evidence of this that justified making homosexuality a mental illness in the first place?

            Also noteworthy is the fact that the vote of the membership was by no means unanimous. Only about 55% of the members who voted favored the change.

            Of course, the APA put the best spin they could on these events. The fact is that they altered their taxonomy because of intense pressure from the gay community, but they claimed that the change was prompted by research findings.

            So all the people who had this terrible “illness” were “cured” overnight – by a vote! I remember as a boy reading of the United Nations World Health Organization’s decision to eradicate smallpox. This was in 1967, and by 1977, after a truly staggering amount of work, the disease was a thing of the past. Why didn’t they just take a vote? Because smallpox is a real illness. The human problems listed in DSM are not. It’s that simple. You can say that geese are swans – but in reality they’re still geese.

            The overall point being that the APA’s taxonomy is nothing more than self-serving nonsense. Real illnesses are not banished by voting or by fiat, but by valid science and hard work. There are no mental illnesses. Rather, there are people. We have problems; we have orientations; we have habits; we have perspectives. Sometimes we do well, other times we make a mess of things. We are complicated. Our feelings fluctuate with our circumstances, from the depths of despondency to the pinnacles of bliss. And perhaps, most of all, we are individuals. DSM’s facile and self-serving attempt to medicalize human problems is an institutionalized insult to human dignity. The homosexual community has managed to liberate themselves from psychiatric oppression. But there are millions of people worldwide who are still being damaged, stigmatized, and disempowered by this pernicious system to this day.

          • acontraryview

            Again, you have not been able to cite anything I have said that is a lie. You continue to bear false witness. How do you reconcile that with your supposed faith in Christianity?

          • afchief

            A disgusting, perverted and deviant lifestyle that = death!!!

            The Overhauling Of Straight America

            The main vehicle to “Overhaul straight America” is through local, state and federal statues granting homosexuals special minority rights. The ramifications would be far reaching – infringing upon our civil rights:

            Ann Hacklander and Maureen Rowe had advertised for a third roommate at the University of Wisconsin @ Madison. They turned down an applicant because she was a lesbian and because of their “Homosexual Rights Ordinance”, the girls were fined $1,000 each, forced to undergo 2 months of an anti-discrimination course taught by lesbians, and monitored for the next year to insure against future discrimination.

            Businesses will be required to have homosexual sensitivity training to prevent homophobia in the workplace.

            Active affirmative action will be required. A few recent examples:

            The Boston Police Department has recently joined the ranks of New York City, San Francisco, and Los Angeles that actively recruit homosexuals for their police force so they would “reflect the population they serve.”

            Teaching the viability of homosexuality in schools through curriculum such as the Rainbow Curriculum, such as Project 10 and Project 21 are doing:

            The mother of a lesbian spoke to a group of sociology students at Bismark High, North Dakota on 11/17/93. She spoke on the “intolerance of homosexuality” and handed out several pages of sexual definitions and a questionnaire which asked, “How can you become a whole person if you limit yourself to compulsive, exclusive heterosexuality and fail to develop your natural, healthy, homosexual potentials?”

            Homosexual schoolbooks are being implemented in various school systems around the country by PROJECT 21, a United Way funded gay/lesbian group dedicated to infiltrating every school system by the 21st Century (hence Project 21): Gloria goes to Gay Pride (Parade), Heather Has Two Mommies, Daddy’s Roommate, Annie On My Mind and All-American Boys.

            A 90-minute pornographic assembly entitled, “HOT, SEXY, AND SAFER?” in which a lesbian comedian performs sexually explicit monologues and sexually suggestive skits with the high school audience. She uses foul four letter words throughout the performance and advocates; oral sex, masturbation, mutual masturbation, condom use during promiscuous premarital sex and homosexual sex.

            The LESBIAN AVENGERS handed out Valentine Cards to elementary school children in West Springfield Mass @ Kowling Elementary School this year that said, “Ask About Lesbian Love. Girls who love girls, and women who love women are OK. Happy Valentines Day”. It included an 800 # for the National Gay & Lesbian Hot Line that was an advertisement for “America’s wildest, hottest phone sex service, hot uncensored gay phone sex”. They were able to get in to the school for 15 minutes with a reporter, were kicked off of the grounds and charged with trespassing only.

            Gay Pride month in public schools.

            Forcing Boy Scouts to have homosexual scoutmasters. Recent example:

            Big Brothers of Minneapolis interviewed and applicant and discovered that his resume’ revealed that he had homosexual affiliations. When asked if he was a homosexual the applicant said, “yes”. That didn’t daunt the interviewer, he merely stated that he had to reveal the information to the mother, as the final decision was up to her. Being a homosexual BIG BROTHER was ok with the organization, it was up to the mother. That didn’t sit well with the homosexual. Under their local gay rights law, the homosexual sued Big Brothers, alleging that he had been discriminated against. The Big Brothers argued that they made no comments, negative or positive, about him. Its representative simply revealed all the facts, just as he would with other protected classes in the human rights law – race, color, age, religion,s ex, marital status, and the life. The decision was up to the mother. Despite the fair-sounding rationale of BB, they were fined thousands of dollars, forced to admit homosexuals without disclosure to the mothers, and active solicitation (affirmative action) of homosexuals by Big Brothers through homosexual media outlets (magazines, etc.)

            Requiring churches to have homosexual volunteers and staff. Churches are coming under tremendous attack of late. The following are few examples:

            More than a dozen homosexuals dressed in black sat quietly in the pews at Village Seven Presbyterian Church on 11/7/93 until the pastor asked the congregation to open their Bibles. They all stood up, removed their coats began screaming at the pastor and pelted the 1000 member congregation with condoms.

            St. Patrick’s Cathedral, NYC, Homosexual activists stormed the building and began throwing condoms on the unsuspecting parishioners. They destroyed church property, blocked the doors and urinated on the pews.

            Angry homosexuals attempted to break in to a church service @ the Hamilton Square Baptist Church in San Francisco in September. They destroyed property outside the church, pounded relentlessly on the doors, cursed at the children inside and screamed at the parents what they wanted to do to the children, spit in the faces of those attempting to get inside the church, and before it was all over, tore down the Christian Flag waving over the church and replaced it with the familiar “Rainbow” Homosexual flag. The police refused to make arrests, or even come to the scene of the crime. The congregation was left to fend for themselves and fear for their lives. If you’re law enforcement…it’s politically incorrect to arrest homosexuals in San Francisco.

            Eliminate sodomy laws in 23 states and all state and local ordinances.

            Adoption, foster care and custody of children. Recent example:

            An openly gay man in Van Nuys, California was awarded custody of a 5-year old girl to whom he was not related (he was a former babysitter), over the protests of the girl’s mother. Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Martha Goldin ruled that the “gay” Kevin Thomas would provide a better home for the child – whom he had known all of her life – than her mother.

            Same sex marriages, lowering the age of consent, special homosexual multicultural curriculum

            The press accuses us of claiming that legitimizing homosexuality will mean society must accept openly obscene behavior and pedophilia”.. They say that pedophilia and obscene behavior are “unacceptable” in the homosexual and heterosexual communities, and would never become “acceptable”. The evidence proves otherwise:

            Prior to a 1970 American Psychiatric Association convention in San Francisco, homosexuality was listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychiatric Disorders as a `mental illness’. The APA conventions had been disrupted by angry homosexuals for years prior to 1970, however that year’s location afforded them the ability to make the necessary changes to the `status’ of their lifestyle. Through harassment, intimidation, and violence, they succeeded in “gagging” any opposition from the APA members. By 1972 they had accomplished their goal and were no longer labeled as a “mental illness”. From that point on, the top “sex researchers” of America began the RE-educating of America with the “sexual orientation” arguments. Today, children are being taught in government controlled schools that homosexuality is “just an alternative lifestyle”.

            Twenty years from 1972 and the same arguments are beginning to roll in concerning pedophilia. The same sex researchers (Dr. John Money/Johns Hopkins University, Dr. John DeCecco/Editor, Journal on Homosexuality – Dr. Mary Calderon/SIECUS) are saying that pedophilia is not necessarily damaging, so long as force is not used. PAIDIKA, Journal of Pedophilia, 4/91 stated, “If I were to see the case of a boy aged 10 or 11 who’s intensely, erotically attracted toward a man in his 20s or 30s, if the relationship is totally mutual, and the bonding is genuinely totally mutual, then I would not call it pathological in any way.” 10 of the 24 members of PAIDIKA’s editorial board are also on the board of JOURNAL OF HOMOSEXUALITY. Bill Andriette, Editor of the NAMBLA Bulletin (North American Man-Boy Love Association) said, “If you look at the variation of sexuality of one individual and one culture, between different cultures, you see that the range of forms of sexual expression is just too varied to simply divvy up the map by saying “gay & straight”.

            We Shall Sodomize Your Sons
            We shall sodomize your sons,
            emblems of your feeble masculinity,
            of your shallow dreams and vulgar lives.
            We shall seduce him in your schools,
            in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums,
            in your locker rooms, sports arenas,
            seminiaries, truck stops, male clubs,
            and in your Houses of Congress.
            Wherever men are with men together,
            your sons shall become our minions
            and do our bidding.

            They will be re-cast in OUR image.
            They will come to crave and adore us.
            All laws banning homosexuality will be revoked.
            If you dare cry “faggot”, “fairy”, or “queer” at us,
            we will stab you in your cowardly hearts.
            All churches who condemn us will be closed.
            Our only gods are handsome young men.
            We shall be victorious because we are
            fueled with the ferocious
            bitterness of the oppressed.
            We too, are capable of firing guns
            and manning the barricades
            of ultimate revolution.
            Michael Swift, Gay Community News, 2/15/87

          • acontraryview

            Let me know if you come up with anything to support your bearing of false witness that I lied. Until then, I wish you well.

          • afchief

            The homosexual lifestyle is an extremely dangerous one. According to numerous studies, many of which have been commissioned by homosexual publications; 20% of homosexuals report of participating in sadomasochism where their partner is hurt, scratched, bruised and/or bloodied. 41% of male homosexuals and 8% of lesbians report “fisting”; where the arm is inserted up the rectum of one’s partner. Over 90% of male homosexuals participate in the insertion of the penis into the rectum of their sexual partner’s.

            This practice carries great risk for both participants. The rectum was not created to withstand this abuse. Fecal matter can inter through the urethra, and sperm breaks through the single layer of the columnar epithelium of the rectum, causing massive immunological disruptions in the blood system, making the person at much greater risk for infection. It’s no wonder that homosexuals are 245% more apt to report 2 or more sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) at a time, than heterosexuals.

            The consequences of this behavior is magnified when one looks at the number of partners the average homosexual has in his/her lifetime. Most homosexual sex is performed with strangers. 70% admitting to having sex only once with over half of their partners. The average Homosexual has had 300 to 500 partners during a lifetime. 28% have performed sodomy on over 1000 partners. Only 2% have had monogamous relationships, and those are defined as lasting anywhere between 9 and 60 months.

            Of these monogamous relationships;

            5% drank urine,

            7% incorporated fisting,

            33% ingested feces,

            53% swallowed semen.

            Contrary to media propaganda, these practices are not always taking place “behind closed doors”, in the privacy of one’s own bedroom. According to The Gay Report, a homosexual magazine; the most frequented places to practice homosexual behavior are:

            public restrooms;

            bus stations,

            service stations,

            public libraries,

            rest stops;

            “health clubs” where groups gather to watch others engage in

            sodomy or go to private booths for themselves;

            “gay bars” and night clubs;

            street corners where they “cruise” for others,

            “glory holes” (circular holes cut out of partitions between stalls

            in public restrooms allowing anonymous oral sodomy with the

            person in the next stall);

            pornographic bookstores,

            peep shows,

            movie houses,

            public parks where groups gather in the bushes;

            beaches and public baths.

            In Fact “Bob Damron’s Address Book” lists all of the parks and recreation areas in the country that are frequented for anonymous homosexual activity, so new homosexuals to your town can always know where others congregate.

            Vicki Liviakas wrote an article for the New York Times 12/11/93, in which she stated that there was a resurgence of activity in the gay bath houses in San Francisco. They lack self discipline. The young gay male population was more reluctant to practice what they call “safe sex”. A second wave of AIDS is feared by officials in San Francisco. She wrote, “numb with loss, fatalistic about their own survival, unwilling to face a measure of sexual deprivation (or deprive themselves of sex), and eager for the attention showered on the sick and the dying, are again practicing unprotected anal intercourse. Experts say this behavior is increasing the infection rates.” She interviewed a 32 year old airline mechanic recently infected with HIV, he said, “I though if I was HIV positive I’d be so much gayer, people are looking for the red badge of courage and you get that when you convert from being HIV negative to being HIV positive.” They love the attention they get when they get sick.

            We must not allow the dominate media culture to pass homosexuality off as “just another lifestyle choice”, equal to that of the heterosexual. It is not!. It is dangerous behavior which destroys the one practicing it, as well as the society that condones it.

            However, in our fight against the homosexual agenda, it is important to always offer the two-handed approach; the hand of restraint that says your lifestyle is a dangerous one for yourself and society, and the hand of love and hope. Homosexuals need to know of God’s love and the transforming power of Jesus Christ.

            “But such were some of you. But you were washed, sanctified, justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Power of the Spirit of God.” 1 Cor 6:11

          • acontraryview

            Again, you have cited nothing that I have said that is a lie. How do you reconcile your continual bearing of false witness with your supposed faith in Christianity?

          • afchief

            I’ve told you that when you have a reprobate mind and stuck in sin you cannot see truth. You believe lies and repeat them. It is quite obvious. To THINK that the homosexual lifestyle is normal, healthy, and not dangerous PROVES that you have a reprobate mind and are blinded by sin. We Christians see it. You who do not have the Spirit of Christ do not.

            DIED: Bruce Ferden, 44, opera conductor, of complications from AIDS.
            DIED: Jesse Dobson, 36, AIDS activist, of complications from AIDS.
            DIED: Peter Mark Schifter, 44, theater director, of complications from AIDS.
            DIED: Michael Harvey, 49, co-owner of Pride Institute, a gay and lesbian drug treatment center, of complications from AIDS.

            On and on, month after month, page after page, the (homosexual) ADVOCATE magazine lists in their “TRANSITIONS” column, those that had succumbed to the deadly disease. It’s a sad fact that the average life span of the homosexual is 46 years.

            That, according to Larry Kramer (famed homosexual author, playwright and founder of ACT-UP), is our fault. He wrote in the November issue of the Advocate…… “GENOCIDE – the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or ethnic group – need not be intentional to qualify as genocide….He who looks the other way is just as guilty as he who kills his brother. Responsibility for our brothers should be, for any and all, foremost, imperative, and unquestionable……I believe that Bill Clinton, like Ronald Reagan and George Bush before him, is content to let us die.”

            Of course the homosexual community bears no responsibility for the spread of the (first politically protected) disease. As evidenced by the fact the famous Luke Sissyfag (he chose the name folks) lambasted Bill and his cohorts (Donna Shalala and Jocelyn Elders) on World AIDS day last fall. He shouted at the fems during a food-line photo op, “This is a copy of Bill Clinton’s promises on AIDS. 30 recommendations. Bill Clinton is doing nothing while we are dying. Bill Clinton is killing us. It is my life. I may die because they are doing nothing. I may die along with all of my friends who have died.”

            Then he barged into a speech Clinton was giving and proceeded to blame him for the AIDS plague, “One year, lots of talk, no action…..talk is cheap and we need action……you’re doing nothing while me and my community are dying!”

            Now I don’t want to sound overly simplistic, but, Luke you don’t need the Clintons… stop the behavior and you’ll stop the disease.

            The current costs of HIV/AIDS treatments are already staggering, add to that the fact that younger homosexuals are no longer practicing what they call “safe sex”, taking on the cloak of “martyrdom” instead. Vicki Liviakas wrote an article in December for the New York Times, in which she stated that there was a resurgence of high risk activity in the gay bath houses in San Francisco. As a result, health officials fear a second wave of AIDS. She wrote, “numb with loss, fatalistic about their own survival, unwilling to face a measure of sexual deprivation, and eager for the attention showered on the sick and dying, are again practicing unprotected anal intercourse.” She then interviewed a 32 year old airline mechanic who had recently tested positive for HIV. He said, “I thought if I was HIV positive, I’d be so much gayer. People are looking for the red badge of courage and you get that when you convert from being HIV negative, to being HIV positive.”

            John Gallagher from The ADVOCATE Magazine says the homosexual community will not be satisfied if the Clinton Package merely offers basic benefits. He said in the March 8th issue, “If universal coverage simply means that everybody has a health insurance card and can get their temperature taken they have coverage, but that does not mean they have access to medical services they need. Primary care coverage is not enough for people with HIV.”

            Until now, the HIV/AIDS community has relied predominately on individual insurance policies, donations, and Life Insurance buyout programs for their treatment. Now, however, the President and her husband have created an “all inclusive” (5 3/4 pound – 1342 page – 4 inch thick) socialistic health care package that will guarantee coverage for every American (HIV/AIDS carriers included) thus giving the Clintons control over one-seventh of our nation’s economy.

            To the utter delight of the leftwing social reformers, this plan will also include every other special interest program under the sun; mental disorders (which covers just about everything these days – just ask Lorena Bobbitt and the Menendez brothers), substance abuse, abortion on demand, and condom clinics in our nations schools.

            Oops, I almost forgot, there are two problems the female homosexuals have found with the Clinton’s plan. According to Paula Ettelbrick, the public policy director at the National Center for Lesbian Rights: 1) “Lesbians have not been identified as a target group deserving of specialized care”. 2) “The proposal’s lip service only extends five years, after which it seems that all community-sensitive health services could be folded into the generalized plans for HMOs. Thus, we could lose the specialized services so essential to good health care for our community. Even if lesbian health clinics were included, the few that provide donor-insemination service; lesbian-sensitive drug, alcohol, and mental health services; and gynecological care that does not have birth-control methods as a central focus, would be abandoned.”

            I thought there was no “special” treatment in the homosexual agenda……

            Buckle your seat belts folks, we’re in for a long, rough ride!

          • acontraryview

            When you are able to cite, specifically, something i have said that is a lie, get back to me. Until then, I wish you well.

          • afchief

            All of it is a lie!!!

          • acontraryview

            Again, when you are able to cite SPECIFICALLY, something that said that I said that was a lie and show why it was not true, then get back to me. In absence of such a response, you are doing nothing more than bearing false witness.

          • afchief

            Is the homosexual lifestyle unhealthy and dangerous?

          • acontraryview

            There is no “lifestyle” that is common to all homosexuals. Just as there is no “lifestyle” that is common to all heterosexuals. “Lifestyles” vary from individual to individual.

          • afchief

            You just proved my point that you are a liar!

          • acontraryview

            Please cite how what I said is a lie.

          • afchief

            2009 Scientific Report Confirms 125 Years of Observation on Homosexuality

            National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality

            There is an important point of contention between the American Psychological Association’s (APA) and the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH). The former defends the right of homosexuals to be so and oppose any attempt to change this behavior. NARTH attacks this position, upholding that homosexuals must and can change their behavior, and demonstrates successful reorientation practices.

            To support its point in this ongoing polemic, in 2009 NARTH released a refutation to APA titled What Research Shows: NARTH’s Response to the APA Claims on Homosexuality. The study offers recent data that confirms 125 years of research on homosexuality. We reproduce verbatim Part III and the Conclusion of the NARTH study in which scientific conclusions on homosexuality appear. The full text may be read here. TIA

            There is significantly greater medical, psychological, and relational pathology in the homosexual population than the general population.

            Researchers have shown that medical, psychological and relationship pathology within the homosexual community is more prevalent than within the general population. This is supported by studies that demonstrate the life-threatening risk-taking of unprotected sex, violence, antisocial behavior, higher levels of substance abuse, anxiety disorders, depression, general suicidality, higher levels of promiscuity and of non-monogamous primary relationships, higher levels of paraphilias (such as fisting), sexual addiction, personality disorders, and greater overall pathology among homosexual vs. heterosexual populations. In some cases, homosexual men are at greater risk than homosexual women and heterosexual men, while in other cases homosexual women are more at risk than homosexual men and heterosexual women.

            Overall, many of these problematic behaviors and psychological dysfunctions are experienced among homosexuals at about three times the prevalence found in the general population – and sometimes much more. Investigators using modern, state of the art research methods have documented that many different pathological traits are more prevalent in homosexual than in heterosexual groups. We believe that no other group of comparable size in society experiences such intense and widespread pathology.

            An objective synthesis of the clinical and research literature derived from hundreds of sources reveals numerous scientific findings:

            Despite knowing the AIDS risk, homosexuals repeatedly and pathologically continue to indulge in unsafe sex practices.

            Homosexuals represent the highest number of STD cases.

            Many homosexual sex practices are medically dangerous, with or without protection.

            More than one-third of homosexual men and women are substance abusers.

            Forty percent of homosexual adolescents report suicidal histories.

            Homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to have mental health concerns, such as eating disorders, personality disorders, paranoia, depression, and anxiety.

            Homosexual relationships are more violent than heterosexual relationships.

            Societal bias and discrimination do not, in and of themselves, contribute to the majority of increased health risks for homosexuals.

            The usual hypothesis is that societal discrimination against homosexuals is solely or primarily responsible for the development of this pathology. However, specific attempts to confirm this societal discrimination hypothesis have been unsuccessful, and the alternative possibility – that these conditions may somehow be related to the psychological structure of a homosexual orientation or consequences of a homosexual lifestyle – has not been disconfirmed.

            Indeed, several cross-cultural studies suggest that this higher rate of psychological disturbance is in fact independent of a culture’s tolerance of – or hostility toward – homosexual behavior. We believe that further research that is uncompromised by politically-motivated bias should be carried out to evaluate this issue.

            A client’s desire to prevent or cease experiencing such a variety of serious medical, psychological, and relational health risks is sufficient reason for anyone to seek and receive competent psychological care to minimize or resolve the desires, behaviors and lifestyles associated with such increased risks. The concerns of parents, family members and friends of persons whose sexual behaviors and/or attractions leave him or her at risk for such harms are understandable and scientifically justified. Mental health professionals ethically may offer psycho-educational and therapeutic assistance to families with such concerns in a manner that respects their loved one’s age-appropriate needs for autonomy, self-determination, and confidentiality and that otherwise preserves the integrity of the therapeutic relationship.

            Conclusion

            In What Research Shows, over a century of experiential evidence, clinical reports, and research evidence demonstrate that it is possible for both men and women to change from homosexuality to heterosexuality; that efforts to change are not generally harmful; and that homosexual men and women do indeed have greater risk factors for medical, psychological and relational pathology than do the general population. Based on our review of 125 years of reports by clinicians, researchers, and former clients, we conclude that reorientation treatment has been shown to be beneficial — and not harmful — and therefore should continue to be available to those who seek it.

            The APA’s own Code of Ethics supports every client’s rights to autonomy and self-determination in therapy and mandates that therapists either respect a client’s practice of religion and sexual orientation or refer the client to a professional who will offer such respect. Clients who are not distressed about their sexual orientation should not be directed to change by mental health professionals. Conversely, clients who seek sexual reorientation deserve properly informed and competent psychological care from therapists who use interventions that have been scientifically demonstrated as helpful for achieving this goal.

          • acontraryview

            NARTH? Really? Talk about using a biased source. LOL

            Nothing in that drivel supports your claim of “What is the impact of homosexual behavior???? HIV!!!!!”

          • afchief

            Studies Confirm Homosexuality’s Dangers – Data up to 2010

            “Medically, men who have sex with men (MSM) are disproportionately at risk for sexually transmitted infections (STI) and HIV (Diggs, 2002). The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention estimates that gay and bisexual men (men who have sex with men or MSM) in the United States are 50 times more likely to contract HIV than are heterosexual men (Lansky, 2009). This is largely due to having multiple sexual partners and engaging in risky sexual practices, including a high incidence of anal intercourse within this population (Diggs, 2002). For example, the estimated HIV risk with a single sexual exposure through receptive anal intercourse (2%) is 20 times greater than for receptive vaginal intercourse (0.1%), (Pinkerton, Martin, Roland, Katz, Coates, & Kahn, 2004).

            “Semen has immune-suppressant activity that increases the chance of sperm fertilizing a woman’s egg during vaginal intercourse. If released in the rectum, however, semen makes this already vulnerable tissue more prone to both infection and the development of cancer – rectal carcinoma in MSM results from infection with a highly carcinogenic strain of HPV (Diggs, 2002). Of greater concern is that despite knowing the high risk of contracting HIV, many MSM repeatedly indulge in unsafe sex practices such as “bare-backing,” i.e, deliberate, ‘unprotected’ anal intercourse (Parsons & Bimbi, 2007; Parsons, Kelly, Bimbi, Muench, & Morgenstern, 2007; van Kesteren, Hospers, & Kok, 2007.) Homosexual women are also at higher risk for STI and other health problems than are heterosexual women (Evans, Scally, Wellard, & Wilson, 2007.)

            “The negative consequences of homosexual behaviors are not limited to the physical harms noted above. Compared to their heterosexual peers, homosexual high school students and young adults (fourteen to twenty-one years old) in New Zealand, which has a culture highly tolerant of homosexuality, had significantly higher rates of major depression, generalized anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, nicotine dependence, other substance abuse and/or dependence, multiple disorders, suicidal ideation, and suicide attempts (Fergusson, Horwood, & Beautrais, 1999).

            “In general, compared to heterosexually behaving adolescents and adults, having same-sex sexual partners is associated with substantially greater risk for mood disorders, anxiety disorders, psychological distress, substance use disorders, for suicidal thoughts and suicidal plans, suicide attempts, unstable relationships and lower levels of quality of life (Andersson, Noack, Seierstad, & Weedon-Fekjaer, 2006; Balsam, Beauchaine, Rothblum, & Solomon, 2008; Cochran, Keenan, Schober, & Mays, 2000; Cochran, Sullivan, & Mays, 2003; Cochran, Ackerman, Mays, & Ross, 2004; de Graaf, Sandfort, & ten Have, 2006; Drabble & Trocki, 2005; Gilman, Cochran, Mays, Hughes, Ostrow, & Kessler, 2001; Herrell, Goldberg, True, Ramakrishnan, Lyons, Eisen, & Tsuang, 1999; Jorm, Korten, Rodgers, Jacomb, & Christensen, 2002; King, Semlyen, Tai, Killaspy, Osborn, Popelyuk, & Nazareth, 2008; Mathy, Cochran, Olsen, & Mays, 2009; Russell & Joyner, 2001; Sandfort, de Graff, Bijl, & Schnabel, 2001; Sandfort, de Graaf, & Bijl, 2003; Sandfort, T. G. M., Bakker, Schelievis, & Vanwesenbeeck, 2006.) The findings are consistent both for countries like Denmark, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway and Sweden where homosexuality is more socially accepted, and for the U.S. where it is less accepted.

            “While the seriousness of such health risks may not be minimized, neither may the vulnerability of teenagers and young adults to being taught ways of behaving that put them at significant risk. NIMH scientist Dr. Jay Giedd, M.D. has reported that as humans develop, their brains’ “frontal cortex area” which governs judgment, decision-making and impulse control “doesn’t fully mature until around age 25” (Voit, 2005). In other words, “the frontal lobes, the very area that helps make teenagers do the right thing, are one of the last areas of the brain to reach a stable grown-up state” (Strauch, 2003, p.16.) As a result, while physically, “the teen years and early 20s represent an incredibly healthy time of life … the top 10 bad things that happen to teens involve emotion and behavior” Because “the brain is pretty adept at learning by example, something that parents can and do to influence their children’s brain development is ‘modeling.’ The teenage brain is pretty adept at learning by example, so parents – and the other adults involved in the lives of teenagers – teach healthy ways of behaving by showing and giving good examples of how to live” (Voit, 2005), and unhealthy behaviors by showing or giving poor examples.

            Conclusion

            “An adolescent’s desire to prevent or cease experiencing serious medical, psychological, and relational health risks is sufficient reason for him or her to seek and receive competent psychological care to minimize or resolve the desires, behaviors and lifestyles associated with such increased risks. The concerns of parents, family members and friends of persons whose sexual behaviors and/or attractions leave them at risk for such harms are understandable and scientifically and clinically justified. Regardless of venue, the health and well-being of young persons is best served by sex education that is consistent with established clinical experience and scientific research.”

          • afchief

            CDC’s Rates of Sexual Transmissible Deseases (STD) among Homosexuals

            Estimated that 71% of homosexuals had HIV in 2005;

            Over 40% of all STD cases occurred amongst homosexuals in 2002;

            Infection of HIV co-infections with syphilis has ranged from 20%-70%;

            STD positive cases for homosexuals who participated in getting tested for 2005

            Gonorrhea: 1-21% – Syphilis: 11% – Chlamydia: 6%;

            CDC estimates 64% of men who have sex with men (MSM) comprised of cases for P&S Syphilis cases in 2004;

            MSM are at increased risk for multiple STDs;

            Gonorrhea treatment resistance increased in MSM to 23% in 2004;

            Rates of STDs in MSM for 2005, slides 73-80;

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            Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Health

            America’s gay and lesbian population comprises a diverse community with disparate health concerns. Major health issues for gay men are HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases, substance abuse, depression, and suicide.

            Gay male adolescents are two to three times more likely than their peers to attempt suicide.

            Some evidence suggests lesbians have higher rates of smoking, overweight, alcohol abuse, and stress than heterosexual women. The issues surrounding personal, family, and social acceptance of sexual orientation can place a significant burden on mental health and personal safety.

            Data from: US. Department of Health and Human Services. Health People 2010. 2nd ed. With Understanding and Improving Health, and Objectives for Improving Health. 2 Vols. Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, November 2000 (check here n. 25)

          • afchief

            Related to DEPRAVED

            Synonyms

            debased, debauched, decadent, degenerate, degraded, demoralized, corrupt, dissipated, dissolute, jackleg, libertine, loose, perverse, perverted, rakehell (or rakehelly), rakish, reprobate, sick, unclean, unwholesome, warped

          • acontraryview

            Great copy and paste. Congratulations!

          • afchief

            The truth always offends, does it not???? Nothing you state is truth. It is a LIE!!!!

          • acontraryview

            Again with the bearing false witness. Tsk, tsk.

          • afchief

            When you have a reprobate mind, you are easily deceived. You believe lies. You repeat lies. It is SO obvious!!!

          • acontraryview

            You continue to provide no proof of your claims that I have lied. How do you reconcile your bearing of false witness with your supposed faith in Christianity?

          • afchief

            I cite the Word of God of what type of person you are. You are lost! There is no truth in you. You have a reprobate mind. You are a liar!!!

          • acontraryview

            “I cite the Word of God”

            You cite what you have chosen to believe is the word of God. You have no proof that it is. That’s why it’s called “faith” and not “fact”.

            “You are a liar!!!”

            Again with the bearing of false witness. Unfortunate. Based upon your supposed belief in Christianity (which bearing false witness would be contrary to) you’ll have some explaining to do at some point.

          • afchief

            1 Corinthians 6:9 (NASB) Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            Chief, you should look up the psychological explanation for the cause of homophobia. You’ll have an “uh-oh” moment of self realization.

          • afchief

            Nope! I have a Christian view of homosexuality. It is perversion! It is deviant! It is dangerous! It is sin!

            They’ve suppressed the truth.
            Their foolish hearts have become darkened.
            They have dishonored their own bodies among themselves.
            They exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature and God.
            They commit shameless acts with debased minds.

            It IS the Christian view! It is the truth!

            And there is freedom in Jesus Christ.

          • Valri

            No, there is no “evil spirit”, homosexuality is simply a variation in human sexuality, as we know from science. If there were a “lie” it would be in pretending to have an attraction to the opposite sex which does not exist. The “deception” would be in making an opposite sex partner believe there was attraction when none was present. and there is no “perverted behavior”, only love.

            “Most animals engage in homosexual behavior as a bullying method, to degrade and humiliate others, bringing them down in the pecking order.”

            Citation please. And human beings are not animals.

            “Very few hetros have anal sex.”

            A lot more heteros do than homosexuals. But even if only a few did, you would still have to explain why you are tying this behavior to homosexual men. Some of them don’t like it. It’s just a preference.

            ” As Dr. Cummings, former president of the APA, said,”

            Cummings is part of NARTH which is the National Association for the Research And Therapy Of Homosexuality, a fringe “ex-gay” religious group which masquerades as a secular, scientific organization. He is not to be taken seriously.

            “Marriage was instituted by God himself”

            Marriage predates Christianity. Christianity has nothing to do with marriage.

            “If men were made to lay together when two sperm came together they would equal a child then I would say yes to gay marriage….. and that will never happen”

            It doesn’t matter. Procreation is not the reason people with to marry, love is, and people of the same sex can and do fall in love just as straight people do.

          • afchief

            Yes, there is an evil spirit behind homosexuality. Something so deviant, perverted, and dangerous is evil. There is nothing wholesome or good about homosexuality. Nothing!!!! I find this all the time with homosexuals about how easily deceived they are.

            This is why homosexuals frequent Christians websites. They are looking for answers to why they feel this way. You are looking for assurance from us Christians that it is okay. That God made you this way. But inside you are crying for freedom. This desire for the same sex is so strong you feel there is no way out. You try to stop but you can’t. So you look for answers and help on Christians websites. When you do not get the answers you want, you lash out. You lie about the lifestyle. You quote gay friendly sites. And you go to gay friendly sites when you do not have the answer.

            But there is a way out and His name is Jesus. He is the answer! It does not matter how deep in this sin you are. It does not matter how long you have been doing it. He can set you free from it. You have to trust Him. You have to confess this sin. You have to give you life to Him. Then and only then will you find the peace you have been looking for.

          • Valri

            This has nothing to do with evil, or deception. This is about biology. Are you seriously telling me that 95% of the population is normal the the other 5% chooses to be different just to be rebellious? No. People are all the same in that we are sexual animals. We fall in love. It’s not complicated at all.

            I am not homosexual, and I am on this website because SOME Christians are spreading terrible misinformation about a number of subjects, homosexuality being one of them. Your God might be able to do a lot of things, but never turn a homosexual into a heterosexual. Homosexuals have been around since the beginning of time.

            It’s very important that you educate yourself on this subject. Not with a Bible, but with science.

          • afchief

            This has NOTHING to do with biology. Nothing!!!! Any rational and logical mind knows the anal cavity is not meant for sex. However, the deviant, perverted and deceived mind does not. Same with woman on woman sex. It is deviant, perverted and dangerous!

            God DID NOT make anyone a homosexual. NO ONE!!!! We Christians love the homosexual, but we do not approve of their lifestyle. We see it as immoral. We see it as dangerous. We see it as sin.

            The CDC warns, “Men who have sex with men (MSM) are at elevated risk for certain sexually

            transmitted diseases (STDs), including Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, HIV/AIDS, syphilis, gonorrhea, and chlamydia.”

            According to the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association, “lesbians have the richest concentration of risk factors for breast cancer than any subset of women in the world. Smoking and obesity are the most prevalent risk factors for heart disease among lesbians. Lesbians have higher risks for many of the gynecologic cancers. Research confirms that lesbians have higher body mass than heterosexual women.”

            Do you ever ear ANY OF THIS from the liberals in New York and California and DC? NO! OF COURSE NOT!

            What liberals and gays do is go to gay friendly sites and site gay friendly liberals. I SEE IT ALL THE TIME!!!!!

          • Valri

            “Any rational and logical mind knows the anal cavity is not meant for sex.”

            Then why is that where the G-spot is located for men? And what does that have to do with homosexuality since straight couples engage in far more anal sex than gay ones do?

            “We see it as immoral. We see it as dangerous. We see it as sin.”

            And what you don’t see it as is what it is, which is a loving relationship between two people. Just like heterosexuality.

            “The CDC warns, “Men who have sex with men (MSM) are at elevated risk for certain sexually transmitted diseases”

            If they are a monogamous couple, there is no chance of them getting any sexually transmitted diseases. You get STDs by having unprotected sexual intercourse. Why would that not also apply to straight people? You think disease just goes after the gays and lesbians?

          • afchief

            You are lying!!! There is NO g-spot for men. NONE!!!! Very few hetro couples engage in anal sex and it is STILL WRONG!!!

            “And what you don’t see it as is what it is, which is a loving relationship between two people. Just like heterosexuality.”

            Because it is perversion! It is deviant! It is dangerous! It is sin! And people who do it have a depraved mind.

            “If they are a monogamous couple, there is no chance of them getting any sexually transmitted diseases. You get STDs by having unprotected sexual intercourse. Why would that not also apply to straight people? You think disease just goes after the gays and lesbians?”

            Are you serious????? OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            The statistics on homosexuality and its effects

            Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States (5). They make up only 1-2% of the population.

            Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the “gay bowel syndrome” (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus

            Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film “The Castro”, one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to “cruisy areas” and have anonymous sex.

            78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs (20).

            Dr. Daniel Capron, a practicing psychiatrist, says, “Homosexuality by definition is not healthy and wholesome. The homosexual person, at best, will be unhappier and more unfulfilled than the sexually normal person” (10). For other psychiatrists who believe that homosexuality is wrong, please see National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality.

            It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us(10).

            Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population.

            Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne (8).

            41% of homosexuals say they have had sex with strangers in public restrooms, 60% say they have had sex with strangers in bathhouses, and 64% of these encounters have involved the use of illegal drugs (8).

            Depending on the city, 39-59% of homosexuals are infected with intestinal parasites like worms, flukes and amoebae, which is common in filthy third world countries (8).

            The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75 (8).

            The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79 (8).

            Homosexuals are 100 times more likely to be murdered (usually by another homosexual) than the average person, 25 times more likely to commit suicide, and 19 times more likely to die in a traffic accident (8).

            21% of lesbians die of murder, suicide or traffic accident, which is at a rate of 534 times higher than the number of white heterosexual females aged 25-44 who die of these things(8).

            50% of the calls to a hotline to report “queer bashing” involved domestic violence (i.e., homosexuals beating up other homosexuals) (18).

            About 50% of the women on death row are lesbians (12). Homosexuals prey on children.

            33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7).

          • Valri

            Google “male G-spot” and see for yourself. I’m tired of arguing with
            you. You are clearly going to believe what you want to believe anyway
            regardless of the facts given to you. You seem to think that when you need to argue a fact, spitting out as many exclamation marks in your refusal constitutes some kind of answer.

            You know nothing whatosever about human sexuality. And you’re not going to find it in your Bible.

          • afchief

            That is a boldface lie. There is NO “male G-spot” LOL!!! I know those who practice homosexuality have a reprobate mind. That homosexuality is a sin. That it is dangerous and unhealthy. That it is death!!!

          • Valri

            Um, yes there is, LOL.
            Guess you didn’t Google it.
            You MUST have wondered why it was practiced by many homosexual men.

          • afchief

            I know you are nothing but a liar!!! The anal muscle is what’s known as a “round muscle”. Think of it as being like a rubber band, rather than a sheet stretching from one area to another. These muscles have a very specific design and function. They are meant to keep things closed.

            If that muscle is stretched, it develops microtears. Now with a regular muscle, microtears mend and the muscle is built up, which is how exercise gets you toned and/or built. Round muscles don’t work that way. Microtears never fully heal, and the entire muscle is weakened.

            That is *why* gay men end up needing diapers over time. The anal muscle can no longer close tightly enough to prevent leakage.

            STOP LYING!!!!!

          • Valri

            Gay men don’t require diapers. That is biologically impossible and
            doesn’t explain why women would not also need them if they engage in the same practice. You are lying. There is no “leakage”. The lie was started by a gentlemen named Patrick Wooden who is widely known for hate speech against homosexuals.

            The male G spot is located in the prostate which is why it is pleasurable for homosexual men to engage in anal sex.

            You can VERY easily Google EVERYTHING I have stated above. It’s not a conspiracy. It’s the truth.

          • afchief

            Did I say you are a liar? You ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!

            MEDICAL CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT HOMOSEXUALS DO

            By Paul Cameron, Ph.D.

            RECTAL SEX Surveys indicate that about 90% of gays have engaged in rectal intercourse, and about two-thirds do it regularly. In a 6-month long study of daily sexual diaries,3 gays averaged 110 sex partners and 68 rectal encounters a year.

            Rectal sex is dangerous. During rectal intercourse the rectum becomes a mixing bowl for 1) saliva and its germs and/or an artificial lubricant, 2) the recipient’s own feces, 3) whatever germs, infections or substances the penis has on it, and 4) the seminal fluid of the inserter. Since sperm readily penetrate the rectal wall (which is only one cell thick) causing immunologic damage, and tearing or bruising of the anal wall is very common during anal/penile sex, these substances gain almost direct access to the blood stream. Unlike heterosexual intercourse (in which sperm cannot penetrate the multilayered vagina and no feces are present),7 rectal intercourse is probably the most sexually efficient way to spread hepatitis B, HIV syphilis and a host of other blood-borne diseases.

            Tearing or ripping of the anal wall is especially likely with “fisting,” where the hand and arm is inserted into the rectum. It is also common when “toys” are employed (homosexual lingo for objects which are inserted into the rectum–bottles, carrots, even gerbils8). The risk of contamination and/or having to wear a colostomy bag from such “sport” is very real. Fisting was apparently so rare in Kinsey’s time that he didn’t think to talk about it. By 1977, well over a third of gays admitted to doing it. The rectum was not designed to accommodate the fist, and those who do so can find themselves consigned to diapers for life.

          • Valri

            Here you go, chief. A little information on your hero Paul Cameron, taken from the SPL Center website:

            “About Paul Cameron

            Paul Cameron is an infamous anti-gay propagandist whose one-man statistical chop shop, the Family Research Institute, churns out hate literature masquerading as legitimate science. Cameron dresses up his “studies” with copious footnotes, graphs and charts, and then pays to publish them in certain journals. Cameron’s work has been rejected by both the American Psychological Association and the American Sociological Association, yet his ludicrous statistics are frequently referenced in sermons, news broadcasts, politicians’ speeches and even court decisions.

            In His Own Words

            “Homosexuality is an infectious appetite with personal and social
            consequences. It is like the dog that gets a taste for blood after
            killing its first victim and desires to get more victims thereafter with
            a ravenous hunger.”

            — 1988 newspaper column

            “Marital sex tends toward the boring end. Generally, it doesn’t
            deliver the kind of sheer sexual pleasure that homosexual sex does. If you isolate sexuality as something solely for one’s own personal amusement, if all you want is the most satisfying orgasm you can get, then homosexuality seems too powerful to resist.”

            — Interview with Rolling Stone, 1999

            “Most people who engage in homosexuality are of the lower strata; these are people who are waiters and busboys and bums and hobos and jailbirds and so forth.”

            — 1994 religious right conference panel discussion on homosexuality

            Background

            Paul Cameron grew up in Florida. He claims that when he was 4 years old, a pedophile forced him to perform oral sex in an apple orchard. “I must have been a beautiful and charming little boy. But I didn’t like it very much,” he said. “I remember that he was kind of dirty, and this bothered me.”

            After receiving a doctorate in psychology from the University of
            Colorado, Boulder, in 1966, Cameron became one of the first researchers in the country to examine the adverse health effects of secondhand smoke. It wasn’t until 12 years later, in 1978, that he made his initial foray into anti-gay activism with the publication of Sexual Gradualism, a book in which he suggested that parents allow their children to experiment with heterosexual sex, short of intercourse, as a means of preventing homosexuality. “While no parent wants his child starting the process ‘too young,’ better too young than homosexual,” he wrote.

            In 1982, Cameron became chairman of the Committee to Oppose Special Rights for Homosexuals, a pressure group that formed to oppose a proposed gay rights ordinance in Lincoln, Neb. Campaigning against the ordinance, Cameron told a church congregation that a local 4-year-old boy had recently been dragged into a public bathroom and castrated by a gay man. The story was totally false, but Cameron’s claim was hyped in the local media, and the ordinance was voted down by a four-to-one margin.

            One year later, Cameron announced himself as the head of a new organization, the Institute for the Scientific Investigation of
            Sexuality. He began to disseminate anti-gay propaganda in pay-to-publish journals with legitimate-sounding names, such as Psychological Reports, a Montana-based vanity publication that bills itself as “The Scientific Manifestation of Free Speech” and that charges $27.50 a page.

            In 1986, as the AIDS crisis escalated, Cameron co-authored the book Special Report: AIDS, which advocated establishing concentration camps for “sexually active homosexuals.” The following year, Cameron moved to Washington, D.C., and
            changed the name of his organization to Family Research Institute.

            Cameron relocated to Colorado Springs, Colo., in 1992 after
            supporters of a constitutional amendment barring gay civil rights
            legislation in that state distributed 100,000 copies of his study, “What Do Homosexuals Do?” Among other things, the study claimed that 17% of LGBT people enjoy consuming human feces.

            Most of Cameron’s subsequent studies have linked homosexuality to pedophilia and reduced life spans. In 2003, his research was cited by dissenting justices on the Massachusetts Supreme Court in a case that led to legalizing same-sex marriage in that state. In 2004, a majority decision by the Florida Supreme Court upholding a law prohibiting adoption by gay and lesbian couples specifically quoted Cameron’s research as supporting the notion that “children raised by homosexuals disproportionately experience emotional disturbance and sexual
            victimization.” In fact, studies by real scientists have found that that is clearly untrue.

            In 2007, Cameron testified in a Colorado Senate hearing concerning a proposed bill to allow same-sex couples to adopt children. He cited his own studies, which he said proved that gays and lesbians are more likely to be criminals and child molesters, and are more likely to drive drunk than heterosexuals. The Rocky Mountain News, reporting on these events, limited its description of Cameron to a mere “advocate of traditional family rights.”

            Cameron isn’t content to confine his efforts to within U.S. borders.
            In 2008, 2009 and again in 2011, he visited Moldova to speak out against proposed anti-discrimination legislation that would protect LGBT people in the small Eastern European nation. According to his Moldovan translator, in 2011 he called the country’s declining birth rate a “demographic disaster” brought on by “women’s emancipation” and the promotion of the “rights of sexual minorities,” particularly the LGBT community.

          • afchief

            Oh my gosh!! Are you this dense????? Any rational and logical mind KNOWS the anus is NOT a sex organ!!!! Do I need to go and cite hundreds of other doctors and PHDs on the web? The homo community defames anyone who gets in the way of their agenda. They use homo friendly sites to show approval of their behavior.

            Homosexuality is a sickness!!! It is NOT safe!!! It is VERY dangerous!!!

            It is apparent you are a homosexual. It is obvious you have a reprobate and deviant mind to believe this lifestyle is safe and normal. IT IS NOT!!!!!

          • Valri

            “Any rational and logical mind KNOWS the anus is NOT a sex organ!!!!”

            Explain then why so many gay men AND straight couples use it as one. Go ahead. I dare you to actually do a bit of research on your own.

            “Homosexuality is a sickness!!! It is NOT safe!!! It is VERY dangerous!!!”

            If any couple, gay or straight, is monogamous and healthy, there’s nothing they can do to one another that is dangerous.

          • afchief

            Bye! I’m done dealing with a reprobate mind.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            I laughed so hard I almost spilled my coffee. And they say that LGBT people are delusional and confused.

          • afchief

            Pretty clear to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Romans 1:24-28 (NASB) Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

            26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

            28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

            Hmmmm…….what is not proper……..Homosexuality!!!!!

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            It might be true to say that homosexuality is a biological mistake, but that doesn’t mean it’s bad; sometimes a mistake is a benefit.

            If like me, you have sexual fetishes (and just about everyone has some kind of kink even if they are not aware of it) it is most likely the result of an “error” in your psychology. But is it something that needs fixing? I for one would say absolutely not, it’s fun and exciting and does no harm, so why “fix” it?

          • afchief

            It is not only bad it is a sin. The homosexual lifestyle is extremely unhealthy and dangerous.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            Not really. When you think of homosexual sex, you think of anal sex, and yes anal sex can be dangerous, no argument there, but straight people have anal sex too, it’s not exclusive to gay men.

            And not all gay men engage in anal sex; people tend to assume that they all do, but no, not so, some gay men just aren’t into it, in fact some aren’t into penetration at all. And what lesbians? Lesbian sex is safer than sex between a man and a woman.

          • afchief

            Beg to differ! This is how homos justify anal sex. If you ever had a prostate exam you would know that this is painful. Very painful! The anal muscle is what’s known as a “round muscle”. Think of it as being like a rubber band, rather than a sheet stretching from one area to another. These muscles have a very specific design and function. They are meant to keep things closed.

            If that muscle is stretched, it develops microtears. Now with a regular muscle, microtears mend and the muscle is built up, which is how exercise gets you toned and/or built. Round muscles don’t work that way. Microtears never fully heal, and the entire muscle is weakened.

            That is *why* gay men end up needing diapers over time. The anal muscle can no longer close tightly enough to prevent leakage.

            The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79.

            21% of lesbians die of murder, suicide or traffic accident, which is at a rate of 534 times higher than the number of white heterosexual females aged 25-44 who die of these things

            About 50% of the women on death row are lesbians (12). Homosexuals prey on children

            According to the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association, “lesbians have the richest concentration of risk factors for breast cancer than any subset of women in the world. Smoking and obesity are the most prevalent risk factors for heart disease among lesbians. Lesbians have higher risks for many of the gynecologic cancers. Research confirms that lesbians have higher body mass than heterosexual women.”

        • Blaylock

          only in your own little mind…go away thumper!

          • afchief

            Your on a Christian site!!!!! BYE!!!!

        • acontraryview

          “Changing the legal definition does not change reality.”

          If that is the case, then why do you care if civil marriage is allowed between two citizens of the same gender?

          • afchief

            When do we as a society make a stand for what is morally right? Do we cave to the 2% of the population and rewrite the definition of marriage all in the name in equality? The road to dehumanizing humans began long ago. The homosexual lobby is merely one in a long line of lobbyist’s lobbying to change the nature of humanity to appease the masses who, after rejecting the truth of God, entered into fanatical worship of self. Read Romans 1.

            Man is becoming his own god now. Sex became and is, the only high calling of humanity. Sex, separated from procreation, love, and marriage has been THE opening of Pandora’s Box and the major reason humans are returning to a state of barbarism and devaluing humanity on a scale never known before in human history. Yes, Satan is alive and well on planet earth.

          • acontraryview

            “When do we as a society make a stand for what is morally right?”

            You are free to make a stand for what you believe is morally right at any time you care to.

            “Do we cave to the 2% of the population and rewrite the definition of marriage all in the name in equality?”

            The definition of civil marriage is the same now as it was up until 1973 – two consenting, non-closely related, unmarried adults.

            “lobbying to change the nature of humanity”

            What nature of humanity has been changed?

            “Yes, Satan is alive and well on planet earth.”

            You are certainly entitled to your unprovable belief.

          • afchief

            The word of God is so true!!!! And you are proof!!!!!

            2 Corinthians 4:4 (NASB) in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

            Romans 1:24-28 (NASB) Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
            28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

          • acontraryview

            “The word of God is so true!!!”

            You are certainly entitled to believe that the Bible contains the word of God. But, unless you are God, you cannot say so with certainty. Are you God?

          • afchief

            No, but I do have the mind of Christ!!!

            1 Corinthians 2:16 (NASB) For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.

          • acontraryview

            “No, but I do have the mind of Christ!!!”

            While you may believe that is true, your constant bearing of false witness proves otherwise.

          • afchief

            1 John 4:4 (NASB) You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.

            He who lives within me bears witness against you that you are a liar and serve the father of lies, satan!!! There is no truth in you.

  • ziggymarley1001

    To refer to Marriott as “Mormon-owned” is simply not true.

    Marriott is a publicly traded company (NASDAQ: MAR). Therefore, just about anyone with a retirement plan having a mutual fund component, (which will include many if not most readers of Christian News Network), are likely shareholders in Marriott.

    The President and CEO of Marriott, Arne Sorenson, is Lutheran.

    Marriott is no more Mormon-owned than it is Jewish-owed, Hindi-owned, Christian-owned, Muslim-owned or atheist-owned. It is PUBLICLY held.

    Of course gay people are God’s children, He loves them, and they have the right to hold jobs and be secure in their housing, etc. But Marriott’s “LGTB” programs go way beyond that into active promotion of the lifestyle, which is terribly disappointing and counter to God’s will for His children.

    Since the LDS Church and its members are among the most vocal and visible defenders of the traditional family, the Mormon angle to this story is a false witness, it’s unhelpful, misleading, and beside the point.

    • acontraryview

      “But Marriott’s “LGTB” programs go way beyond that into active promotion of the lifestyle”

      What “lifestyle” are you referring to? The “lifestyle” of enjoying vacations at a hotel?

      “which is terribly disappointing”

      What do you find “disappointing” about a business attempting to generate revenue from as many demographics as possible?

      “and counter to God’s will for His children.”

      Unless you are God, ziggy, you cannot say definitely what his will is. Are you God, ziggy?

      • ziggymarley1001

        As was implicit by the sentence structure, the “lifestyle” to which I referred is the LGBT lifestyle.

        I find it terribly disappointing that a company which was founded by those who share my faith feels the need to make sexual politics a core element of their marketing strategy. But I recognize their right to make these choices. I’m not advocating a boycott, for example, and I use Marriott brands often for business travel. Similarly, I was terribly disappointed by Marriott when they carried pay-per-view pornography, and was gratified when they chose to discontinue it.

        Also, I recognize that Marriott’s activities may thrill you. As your username suggests, we may have contrary points of view. Is this not permissible?

        I certainly can and do say what I believe to be God’s will. Marriage between a man and a women is a fundamental principle of Mormon theology — which it shares with the vast majority of the world’s religions. God is perfectly able to articulate His will by revealing it to those He chooses for that purpose, who then record it in what becomes scripture. @Reason2012:disqus has given a cogent, but not exhaustive, recitation of scriptures above upon which many religious adherents base their understanding of His will pertaining to this subject. The LDS have additional scriptures and modern day revelators all of which affirm this understanding of the divine will.

        • acontraryview

          “As was implicit by the sentence structure, the “lifestyle” to which I referred is the LGBT lifestyle.”

          Yes, Ziggy, but the question is: What “lifestyle” do you believe is common to all LGBT people? What is a heterosexual “lifestyle”?

          “feels the need to make sexual politics a core element of their marketing strategy.”

          What is political about advertising to this demographic?

          “Also, I recognize that Marriott’s activities may thrill you.”

          No, they do not thrill me.

          “Is this not permissible?”

          Of course it is. I’m just curious as to your basis.

          “I certainly can and do say what I believe to be God’s will.”

          I appreciate the clarification that, regarding God’s will, you are stating your belief as to what it is, rather than your previous post which stated that you were certain what it is.

          “God is perfectly able to articulate His will by revealing it to those He chooses for that very purpose, who then record it in what becomes scripture.”

          You are certainly free to believe that God has expressed his will in the Bible and the Book Of Mormon. That belief, however, does not mean it is definitively true. That’s why it’s called “faith” rather than “fact”.

    • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ DavidHart-slowlyboiledfrog.com

      “Lifestyle?” How is a sexual orientation a lifestyle? I am a retired CEO. My late partner of 30+ years was a successful media executive. Our “lifestyle” was shaped more by economics, education and who we worked with than sexual orientation.

      • afchief

        It is a choice!!! If that is true then why the “b” in the lgtb? Bisexuals, by definition, are people who constantly change their sexual orientation.

        • Blaylock

          is that your boyfriend in your avatar?

        • acontraryview

          Please cite your basis for stating that sexuality is a choice.

          “Bisexuals, by definition, are people who constantly change their sexual orientation.”

          False. Bisexuals are people who are romantically and sexually attracted to both genders. They are not constantly changing their sexual orientation. That IS their sexual orientation.

          • afchief

            Genesis 2:24 (NASB) For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

          • acontraryview

            So you have no basis for stating that sexuality is a choice. Got it. Thanks.

          • afchief

            July 15, 2015
            The Big Gay Lie
            By Tom Trinko

            While gays are our siblings in Christ, the gay lifestyle is nothing like the straight lifestyle. That’s why we have to condemn the gay lifestyle because we love gays as people, just as we condemn smoking out of love for smokers.

            One of the key reasons that gay “marriage” has won as much public support as it has is that few people understand how harmful the massively promiscuous gay lifestyle is.

            The Big Gay Lie (BGL) is that the gay lifestyle is the same as the straight lifestyle. The BGL has a number of facets including:

            Lots of people are gay

            Gay relationships are just like straight ones; they want long-term commitment

            Being gay isn’t bad for your health

            Gays are born that way

            The BGL has made the debate over gay marriage like a debate about smoking where no one realizes that smoking causes lung cancer.

            Before looking at what scientific studies tell us here’s some anecdotal evidence that people may already be familiar with:

            When AIDS first struck gays fought tooth and nail to keep the bathhouses — where gays go for anonymous sex with strangers — open. Gays are so addicted to sex that even in the face of a fatal disease they didn’t want to curb their promiscuous lifestyle.

            AIDS. While we’re constantly told that it’s not a gay disease the reality is that in the U.S. almost no one but gays get AIDS from sex. Yet even though condoms don’t stop the spread of AIDS gays continue to risk their lives to have sex with strangers

            While everyone condemns crimes by priests and ministers against children, the fact is that 81% of the victims of priests have been young boys; the problem is a gay one.

            NAMBLA — which advocates sex with 3 year olds — is an accepted part of the gay community. The organization marched in the SF Gay Pride parade for years before pressure from straights got the organization booted out due to bad optics.

            Very few people are gay:

            The debate about gay marriage has been skewed by a gross misrepresentation of the number of gays in America. While the average American thought 23% of Americans were gay the real number is 1.6% with only 3.8% of the population being LGBT.

            Gay relationships are nothing like straight ones:

            The simple reality is that the gay lifestyle consists of sex with many strangers and few if any long term, let alone monogamous, relationships.

            Less than 1% of gays report, to gay friendly researchers, to having sex with fewer than 5 partners. On the other hand, 43% report having more than 500 sexual partners including 28% who have had more than 1000 sexual partners.

            To put this in context, only 25% of heterosexual men have sex with more than 10 women in their lifetimes; women average 4.7 partners over their lives.

            Gay relationships rarely last more than 2 years. A study of gay “marriages” in Holland found that they last, on average, 1.5 years and that they are not monogamous. Another study showed that not a single gay couple was monogamous for more than five years. Straight marriages are far longer lasting and much more likely to be monogamous.

            For example in 2009 the average duration of an American woman’s first marriage was 20.8 years. Second marriages last 14.5 years. In 2009, 30% of American heterosexuals were not married, 55% had been married once, 12% had been married twice, and 3% had been married more than twice.

            This disparity isn’t surprising, given that men tend to be more promiscuous than women. A sexual relationship without a woman is hence likely to be based on sex, not love.

            Basically what passes for love in gay relationships is really lust or infatuation. It’s not the sort of love that keeps a couple faithful and together for decades. Gays as people deserve better than that, but they will never find it if they follow their inclinations.

            Being gay is very bad for your health:

            Being gay cuts roughly 20 years off of a man’s expected lifespan; smoking only cuts 10. That’s not surprising given the AIDS epidemic but the basically unhealthy sexual practices of gays lead to death and illness from sources other than AIDS as well.

            Additionally the gay community serves as a reservoir of other STDs due to the massively promiscuous nature of gay relationships.

            Finally the nature of gay “sex” leads to a wide variety of other problems — nature has taught us to not play with feces for a reason.

            Gays aren’t born gay:

            Even a cursory examination shows it’s absurd to think that gays are born gay, that there is a “gay” gene. Evolution teaches that genes that help an organism survive and reproduce endure and genes that hinder survival or reproduction disappear. Yet what gene could possibly be worse for reproduction than a “gay” gene? Clearly any person with a “gay” gene wouldn’t have had kids and hence the gene would disappear from the gene pool.

            Further many studies have shown that being gay is not genetic. Eight major studies of identical twins prove that being gay is not due to genetics. Identical twins have the same DNA and hence, if being gay is purely genetic, if one twin is gay the odds of the other being gay would be 100%. Yet the reality is on average the chance of the other twin being gay is around 12%.

            This does not mean that gays wake up one morning and decide to be gay. Studies have shown that gays are very likely to come from families with detached or absent fathers. That makes sense; gays turn to sex with men to replace the love they never had from their fathers. After all, our society is great at confusing sex with love.

            Given that being gay is not genetic it is likely that being gay is curable. While the MSM attacks any possibility of gays becoming heterosexual the reality is that cure rates of 30% or more may be possible for gays who want to be cured.

            Moving beyond the BGL:

            Why has the BGL been so successful? There are several reasons, but the primary one is that since gays are so rare, most people don’t interact with them that much; and when they do gays are unlikely to boast about their promiscuity. On the other hand the media, both news and entertainment, portray gays as being just like straights. Not only are the health, mental and physical, consequences of the gay lifestyle concealed but even the fact that gays are sex addicts is never mentioned.

            It’s hardly surprising given the prevalence of the BGL that support for gay “marriage” is as high as it is.

            Based purely on science, gays are dysfunctional since from an evolutionary perspective the only purpose of life is to produce offspring. It’s Christianity that teaches that gays are not defective only prone to a different kind of sin than most people. In fact, Christianity teaches that gays who live chaste lives are truly great servants of God for bearing a very heavy cross successfully.

            Once the BGL is exposed it’s clear that the only truly loving response to gays is to urge them to seek a cure and to live chaste lives. Because our objection to the gay lifestyle is based on love it makes perfect sense to simultaneously condemn violence against gays, persecution of gays, and hatred for gays with efforts to encourage gays to not live the gay lifestyle.

            The liberal response of encouraging the gay lifestyle is like encouraging smokers to smoke, fat people to eat more, or people who want to amputate their limbs to go right ahead. If you truly love someone you don’t enable them to do things that are self-destructive.

            In reality, #lovewins should mean encouraging gays to avoid the gay lifestyle not enabling them to live a lifestyle that cuts decades off their lives and involves the objectification of others as things to be used rather than people to be loved. Gays deserve better than that.

            Use the truth to combat the BGL and you’ll find that people’s attitudes will begin to change — true love will win in the end.

          • acontraryview

            “Given that being gay is not genetic”

            There is no proof for that statement. The basis of sexuality is not known.

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          Sooooo you choose to be hetero then?

          • afchief

            Yep!

    • Valri

      I’d really like to know what you mean by “active promotion of the lifestyle”. That sounds very much to me like you’re suggesting that you can elect to be gay and try to convince others to be gay too. It doesn’t work that way. If you’re gay, you’re gay. There is no “promotion” of your lifestyle except to ask other people to accept you the way you are. And when it’s talked about in schools, no one’s there urging kids to be gay, they’re just saying there are gay people in this world and there’s no reason to treat them any differently. That doesn’t sound like anything anyone should be concerned about.

  • acontraryview

    Marriott is a publicly traded company. It is not “Mormon-Owned”.

    • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ DavidHart-slowlyboiledfrog.com

      It is majority Mormon owned to be accurate.

      • acontraryview

        No, it is not “majority Mormon owned”. If it were majority Mormon owned, then a majority of the shares would be owned by the Mormon church. It is majority owned by a family who are members of the Mormon faith, to be more accurate.

    • http://danbel.webspawner.com Dan Beliveau

      While it is publicly traded the Marriott family has controlling interest.

      Marriott International operates and franchises hotels under the Marriott, JW Marriott, The Ritz-Carlton, EDITION, Autograph Collection, Renaissance, AC Hotels by Marriott, Residence Inn, Courtyard, TownePlace Suites, Fairfield Inn & Suites, SpringHill Suites and Bulgari brand names; develops and operates.

      The Marriott family that owns Marriott Hotels are Mormon, they are so devout that every Marriott hotel has a Book of Mormon in the drawer, along with a bible?

  • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ DavidHart-slowlyboiledfrog.com

    That headline could not be more offensive with effort. No one is “pushing” homosexuality. How does one “push” a sexual orientation? Regardless of all of the progress the percentage of gay Americans remains about the same. That should tell people something. Sadly, it does not.

    Marriott is welcoming to gay couples. They are also mindful of the fact that a condition of marketing for gay dollars is fairness in the workplace. Gays will not patronize businesses that do not offer equal opportunity. This has become part of Marriott’s culture and it attracts far more than just gays to their hotels. It also attracts employees at all levels who, otherwise, might not want to work for a Mormon held company.

  • http://danbel.webspawner.com Dan Beliveau

    Why would a group of lost individuals promoting another group of lost individuals be a surprise. Since Mormonism follows a false god it’s easy enough to change anything. Joseph Smith did it, why not his followers. The people doing these promotions aren’t concerned with the here and now.

    You can’t expect heretics to get it. Nobody will be able to make an excuse at the Judgment seat.

    Galatians 1:6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

  • Bruce Morrow

    This is NO surprise to me folks! Mormonism is a false religion and they worship a different “Jesus”-not the Jesus of the Bible!!!

    • Blaylock

      much like all of the religions on earth

  • Gena B

    When you go to a hotel there are beds, tv, bathroom…what does “lesbian and gay travel accommodations” mean? What kind of services are they getting that’s different? Very weird. For a group that wants to be included, they sure do try to stand out as being a special group. Gay people have been frequenting hotels for years like everyone else. As far as a Mormon spouting he is in favor of something God deems a sin is not really a surprise.

  • marah natha

    Mormonism folded on Polygamy for Utah to become a United State. They did come out against homosexuality early on, but again gave up to go along with “the times.”