France Under State of Emergency as Multiple Terror Attacks Unfolding Across Country

French Attack-compressedPARIS — The country of France is under a state of emergency as several terror attacks are unfolding in the country, with at least 150 believed dead.

The first attack occurred outside of a soccer game late Friday. Reports state that suicide bombers blew themselves up at Stade de France stadium during a France-Germany soccer match. Two explosions were heard.

Explosions were also heard at Le Bataclan arts center, where 60 to 100 people who were gathered for a rock concert were held hostage by gunmen. Witnesses likewise reported shots fired as a man yelled, “Allahu Akbar” and “This is for Syria!”

“I’m still at the Bataclan. First floor. Hurt Bad! There are survivors inside. They are cutting down all the world—one by one,” wrote survivor Benjamin Cazenoves on social media.

“There was blood everywhere,” an unnamed witness who likewise escaped the building told French media. “They were firing a pump-action shotgun into the crowd.”

Bodies were additionally seen outside of Le Petit Cambodge restaurant where witnesses report seeing gunmen with assault rifles shooting at diners through the windows.

“I was on my way to my sister’s when I heard shots being fired. Then I saw three people dead on the ground. I know they were dead because they were being wrapped up in plastic bags,” Fabien Baron told Reuters.

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There are reported deaths at Le Carillon café as well.

“We all ran inside when the shooting started and dived for the ground,” texted a woman inside the cafe to a friend of Telegraph reporter Rory Mulholland. “At this moment we have been told by police to remain on the ground. There are several bodies alongside us.”

“Intense gunfire” was also reported at Les Halles, a shopping mall near the Paris town hall.

The series of attacks are believed to be coordinated. A mandatory curfew is now in place, and the country’s borders have been sealed.

“It’s a horror,” said French President Francois Hollande in a televised address to the nation, appearing visibly shaken. He referred to the multiple assaults as an “unprecedented terrorist attack.”

One man has been arrested in the attack and is reported as stating that he was recruited by ISIS to carry out the assault.


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  • Logan Ashli Greene

    Praying for the people of France, the victims, the families, and the terrorists.

  • The Last Trump

    What heartless brutality. Yet so characteristic of Islam.
    Missing Christianity yet? How about reason? Border control at least?
    No? Then enjoy. And buckle up for more of the same. Sheer madness.

    • Sarari

      Because Christians never attacked anybody….

      • Lars Schroeder

        Let us know when the most recent indiscriminate attacks by Christians on innocent citizens occurred in the name of Christ.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Why does it have to be in the name of Christ?

        • gizmo23

          Germany 1939, Vietnam

          • MamaBear

            The Nazis were anti-Christian, replacing crosses in churches with swastikas, replacing Bibles with Mein Kampf, locking up both priests and ministers who preached Christianity rather than Nazi propaganda.
            Vietnam had nothing to do with Christianity. It was a misguided attempt to stop communism.

          • gizmo23

            Hitler certainly claimed to be doing Gods work and at the beginning recieved the churches blessing.
            If we claim to be a Christian nation anything we do as a nation has a Christian stamp on it. Many during the cold war stated we were fighting godless communism and to be of different faith during that time was suspect.

          • MamaBear

            “The heaviest blow which ever struck humanity was Christianity; Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew.”
            “The law of selection justifies this incessant struggle, by allowing the survival of the fittest. Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.”
            (both quotes from Hitler’s Table Talk translated 1953)
            As for Vietnam, it was politicians, not ministers, who got us into it, most of whom you would be hard pressed to consider truly Christian. Certainly not Lyndon Johnson, who escalated our role in Vietnam from advisors to participants.
            That being a different faith than Christianity was “suspect” in the 50s and 60s would have been news to my Jewish friends growing up, as well as prominent well-known persons like Henry Kissinger, Arthur Goldberg, Irving Berlin, Elizabeth Taylor (convert)and Ayn Rand.
            Politicians have used religions in many societies. Some sincerely, some to deceive. Among the Muslims, you actually have the religious leaders actively pushing jihad.

          • gizmo23

            Read some Hitler quotes on his mission. He certainly didn’t adhere th Christian prunciples but he used faith the convince people. Many ministers supported war as a way to stop communism.
            My concern is when a person or government says God is on their side and uses it for political purposes. The blending of faith and politics always ends up badly

          • MamaBear

            What Hitler said publicly about Christianity does not agree with his private quotes among his closest followers, which were very anti-Christian. Many prominent Nazis, including Hitler himself, were involved with occultism, which is forbidden among Christians as it is considered demonic.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “He certainly didn’t adhere th Christian prunciples but he used faith the convince people.”

            Sounds like someone running our country. And, he makes about as much sense too.

            Here is a good response to the “Hitler was a Christian” nonsense of the New Atheists, Gizmo, which I realize you were not in any way promoting:

            So, Hitler was committed to worshipping a Jew Whose guiding principle was to love God and one’s neighbor as oneself?!? Pretty absurd.

            “Not many Germans lost much sleep over the arrests of a few thousand pastors and priests… the Nazi regime intended to eventually destroy Christianity in Germany…As Bormann…said publicly in 1941, ‘National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable.’… 13. The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany…18. The National Church will clear away from its altars all crucifixes, Bibles, and pictures of saints. 19. On the altars there must be nothing but Mein Kampf…the Christian Cross must be removed from all churches, cathedrals, and chapels…and it must be superseded by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika.” The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, p. 240.

            Cheers.

          • gizmo23

            German army uniforms had “God is good ” on the buckles and they had Chaplins.
            Granted nothing is pure but to say that Germany was atheist in not true.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            We really are not disagreeing here. I am not claiming that Germany was atheist, just that the New Atheist assertion that Hitler was a Christian is laughable at best and blasphemous at worst.

            Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc are a different story. Their sun rose and set in a godless universe (on their view).

          • Lars Schroeder

            I’d agree that using “religion” or “faith” to manipulate masses & further your political ambitions is of course despicable. Self serving. But allowing Christ’s teachings and life to inspire & guide your life as well as influence public policy making is a different matter. Is it really evil to allow Christ’s teachings to affect the way we govern ourselves? Faith and goodness have influenced and shaped our government with good results since the days of our founders. The Christian ideals of freedom can be seen at Plymouth, Boston Harbor, the anti slavery movement, etc. The blending of faith and politics does not always end up badly.

          • ozarkmichael

            actually, that’s a good post. very balanced.

          • afchief

            Are you saying Hitler was a Christian? Really?

          • gizmo23

            I’m saying he claimed to be in order to gain power. The USA politicians do the same thing. Whenever someone says God is on their side and directed them to run for office I shudder.
            Anytime religion and politics blend problems occur

          • Lars Schroeder

            Gizmo, I’d agree that if someone says “God directed me to run for office,” I’d shudder too. Presumptuous. But if someone said that God gave them courage to run for office, I’d pat them on the back. It wouldn’t present a conflict for me if several candidates said they sought God for courage and determination to run. That’s a whole lot different than saying God told you to run.

          • afchief

            What? Another lie!

        • Sarari

          Westboro Baptist

          • MamaBear

            The majority of moderate Muslims fail to denounce or disown the radicals. The majority of Christians do denounce and disown Westboro. Plus, as obnoxious and bad as Westboro is, when was the last time even they actually killed someone?

          • Valri

            They go one step further and mock and sneer at the funerals of dead soldiers. And you have the nerve to ask what’s wrong with fundamentalism.

          • MamaBear

            Westboro has been denounced and disowned by other churches and their leaders. In fact many of the places they picket funerals are other churches, even Baptist churches.

            How about looking at what other Baptists say about them:

            http://www(dot)abc-usa(dot)org/2012/12/16/statement-about-westboro-baptist-church/

            http://www(dot)christianpost(dot)com/news/russell-moore-westboro-baptist-are-not-baptists-think-book-of-mormon-broadway-play-to-lds-church-116588/

            https://www(dot)metroweekly(dot)com/2015/11/rockville-clergy-counter-westboros-message-of-hate/

          • Valri

            The Westboro Baptist Church are just the logical conclusion of what people who harbor fundamentalist beliefs will arrive at at some point. It doesn’t mean they will act on them like the Westboros do. But I’ve already given you many examples of fundamentalist pastors who really would like to kill gay people.

          • MamaBear

            You have given NO examples. I gave you three examples of Baptists, from at least two different kinds of Baptists denouncing Westboro. You have given me no examples, zip, nada, nothing except Westboro. So where are they? Names of pastors, their churches, locations?
            You have merely been proving you know nothing about Fundamentalist Christianity. The only thing you came up with was “sola Scriptura” which is Reformed Christianity.

          • Valri

            I gave you several examples WITH citations and they were deleted. Will the names of the pastors do? Look them up yourself: Pastor James David Manning from Harlem, Pastor Donnie Romero, founder of the Steadfast Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas, Pastor Stephen L. Anderson, pastor of Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona, Pastor Charles L. Worley of Providence Road Baptist Church (the one notorious for wanting to put all the gays and lesbians behind an electrified fence), Pastor Robby Gallaty, Brainerd Baptist Church, Pastor Curtis Knapp of the New Hope Baptist church in Seneca, Kansas, Pastor Robert Anderson, Colonial Baptist Church, Pastor Michael V. Williams and Reverend Michael Crook, neither of whose locations are given within their stories.

            Read those and weep, lady. Weep for yourself for standing alongside them and their hateful messages.

          • MamaBear

            Read Matthew 7. Jesus said there would be false prophets, wolves among the sheep. He said we would know them by their fruits. Also read Matthew 25:31-46.

          • Valri

            And that is a card you conveniently play every time you want to stand by the No True Scotsman fallacy. This person or that person isn’t a true Christian because (fill in the blank). I’m not seeing a whole lot of atheists out there screaming about wanting to kill gay people…are you?

          • MamaBear

            No, I see atheists like the Unabomber and Loughner and McVeigh murdering people . . . and as Jesus said, “by their fruits you will know them.”

          • Valri

            People driven by ideology. Fundamentalists. The fact they are atheists is incidental. It means nothing.

          • MamaBear

            Sorry, but it means everything. You have been trying to paint Christian fundamentalists with the same brush as radical Muslims, and your comments have proved you haven’t the faintest idea what a Christian fundamentalist is.

            >“Fundamentalist” is a term that is frequently bandied about in the news media these days. Casually invoked to describe anyone who seems to hold some sort of vaguely-perceived traditional religious belief—be they a Bible Baptist TV preacher, a Hasidic rabbi, a Mormon housewife, or a soldier of the Islamic Jihad—the word has become so overused as to be nearly useless.
            When used within the North American historical context, however, there are precedents for the use of this term which restores a sense of descriptive cohesion. Fundamentalism was a movement that arose in the late 19th and early 20th centuries within American Protestantism reacting against “modernist” theology and biblical criticism as well as changes in the nation’s cultural and social scene.<
            (source – Wheaton(dot)edu)

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            That is so true what you wrote: as a Christian fundamentalist, I hold to the essential doctrines of the faith, orthodoxy that I would expect any Christian to adhere to in faith and practice. Similarly, I would not get on a plane piloted by someone who did not believe in the fundamentals of flight, such as Bernoulli’s Principle or the lift and drag equations, nor would I undergo surgery by someone who failed the fundamentals of medicine.

            Sometimes, fundamentalism is used by atheists and some Christians alike, to mean someone who is necessarily anti-intellectual. This is a shame, given the role of Christianity in the Scientific Revolution, but it is one reason that I sometimes refer to myself as a Mere Christian.

            Bottom line: labeling a Christian who takes his or her doctrine seriously as a “fundie” is no less ludicrous than labeling a pilot or surgeon for being serious about the fundamentals of their crafts as a “fundie.”

          • Valri

            That’s why everyone who disagrees with you is a “pro-abort”, why you think atheists view abhorrent practices such as keeping slaves or gassing Jews as “mere flavors of ice cream,” and why you think the Southern Poverty Law Center is a “terrorist organization”.

            These are all things you’ve said. And they are what makes you a fundie, and the furthest thing from a Christian.

          • The Last Trump

            “A fundie is the furthest thing from a Christian”!?
            Ha!
            You’re so used to throwing that term around as some kind of derogatory hate speech, yet you don’t even know what it means!
            Adorable! 🙂
            Please. Keep calling us fundies. There simply is no higher praise!

          • Valri

            Don’t worry – a fundie by any other name would smell just as rancid. And yes, we are adorable – we aren’t having our lives dictated by a book written by people who thought the earth was flat and that bats were birds and that there were talking snakes.

          • The Last Trump

            That’s right, you’re the ones who believe that in the beginning there was nothing. AND THEN IT EXPLODED!!? Hee hee!
            Wait! It gets better!
            THEN, males AND females magically appeared with the equally magical ability to reproduce themselves OF EVERY KIND, and there just HAPPENED to be enough food and water available to sustain this completely accidental and purposeless explanation for Creation.
            🙂
            Ah yes, the “science” of evolutionary magic!
            I LOVE that you believe that this magical account for Creation is observable and measured! Soooo adorable!

          • Valri

            And what exactly are you “hee hee heeing” about, Sparky, considering that atheists don’t believe that in the beginning there was nothing and then it exploded? Does your strawman have a name? Does he do tricks?

            If you’ve opposing evolution, you’re opposing practically ever scientist out there, reality, and most of the human race…excepting of course….you guessed it…FUNDIES!

          • The Last Trump

            Yes, he has a name.
            Darwin.

          • Valri

            And it’s only fundies who have an issue with him. Isn’t that funny, Trumpy? Isn’t that ADORABLE that you resist what the rest of the world accepted decades ago? Hee hee hee! Too cute!

          • The Last Trump

            Don’t get mad little buddy.
            Get informed.
            Magic is out. Design is backed by science. Overwhelmingly.
            I’m really sorry this bothers you so much.
            It’s ok though. Science and facts aren’t for everyone.
            For everyone else there’s still Darwinism and evolution to blindly cling to.
            Blind faith can be a real obstacle to overcome! Take your time with it.
            Baby steps. You cute little baby, you! 😉

          • Valri

            Baby steps in which direction, Trumpy? Backwards? I don’t think so. See, there’s this subject they teach in public schools called SCIENCE. And in that class we learn to accept certain tested and tried and proven things to be proof while discarding witchcraft and superstition. It’s a shame you never took that class Trumpy. Because if you had, you’d know it’s you who’s the believer in magic. Not the rest of us.

          • The Last Trump

            “tested and tried and proven things to be proof”!!
            Please! Still waiting to see ANY of that from the magic lovers.
            Must have been some new developments in the last 5 minutes that I’m unaware of?! Please, professor. Enlighten us. The floor is all yours.
            Show us how and when your known THEORY became scientific FACT!
            We’ll wait.

            “tested and tried and proven things to be proof”! 🙂
            Hee hee! LOVE it!

          • Valri

            What are you “hee heeing” and “LOVE it”-ing about this time, Trumpy? The fact that the bulk of the world’s scientists think you’re out of your mind? Libraries of texts used by scientists to this day are just worthless, eh?

            HEE HEE HEE! HOW ADORABLE!

          • The Last Trump

            Sooo….nothing? No proof? No evidence?
            Seriously? Listen, there’s no need to rush to keep posting about nothing. With broad generalities and vague assertions about “the whole world” and “the bulk of the world’s scientists”! Take all the time you need to provide this factual proof of magic. There’s really no hurry.
            Oh. That’s all you’ve got? Cheap talk? Wild claims? No substance?
            Oh yeah. That’s why it’s so widely rejected as magic.
            Feels foolish, doesn’t it? Trying to defend an indefensible position.
            Sucks to be you little buddy. Might wanna look into it a little more to see just why it is you are so easily made a fool of. Once you get informed you’ll come to realize that Design has all the conclusive evidence backing it up. Much, much easier to debate and defend.
            Just sayin’.

          • Valri

            There are scads and reams and piles of evidence, Sparkles, you’re just one of those fundies who chooses to run away from it with your fingers in your ears screaming I CAN’T HEAR YOU.

            You want to call Berkeley University wild claims? How about Scientific American? Livescience? Nah, they must all be lying and covering up, right? Because Ken Ham or Kent Hovind were told the “truth” by God in a dream…some idiot speaking in tongues matters more to you than repeatable and verifiable science experiments and facts and findings.

            I can’t even “hee hee hee” at you, because you’re such a wretched excuse for a human being.

          • The Last Trump

            …still waiting…..

          • Valri

            Me too, Chuckles. Scientific American. Lying? Covering up? You’re just smarter than them? How about Berkeley University?

          • The Last Trump

            “Me too, Chuckles”
            Says it all right there, doesn’t it?
            Better pack a lunch, Muffin.
            Gonna be a loooong wait for that evidence of magic to be discovered.
            And your little unsubstantiated theory declared FACT.
            I’m sure it’s out there. Somewhere.
            Perhaps it’s in the top hat. Next to the rabbit? 😉

          • Valri

            Not a long wait at all. Go down to your local public library and take out The Origin of Species and all the other books in the region that support it. Then look yourself in the mirror and ask why on earth you are fighting what the rest of the world already knows.

            Magic is an awfully ironic word for you to be using, Mr. Talking Snake.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Did she quote RationalWiki yet at you?!? 🙂

          • Valri

            Nope, and I never did to you, either. You’re lying, Crazy.

          • Balerion

            Unfortunately it would seem that science does have its limitations. For example, our current scientific and medical understanding says that someone without a brain shouldn’t even be conscious, let alone be able to post complete drivel on to the internet, but “The Last Trump” manages to do just that even though conventional wisdom would indicate that it should be impossible.

          • Valri

            No kidding. You should meet his little brother Oboehner.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            After being given a dozen peer-reviewed medical, biological, and embryological citations for the fact that human life begins at human conception, Valium responded with someone’s opinion quoted on RationalWiki as her “science-y evidence” that preborn humans aren’t actually, you know, HUMANS. 🙂

            Her irrationality is converting many to the pro-life cause over on Live Action News, and some atheists are even now converting to Christ, just because she is such an embarrassment to their side!

            Valri is the gift that keeps on giving. Frankly, I think she MUST actually be a secret Christian pro-lifer, since she is doing so much good for our side. So, keep her talking, The Last Trump, as a ministry to the Lord. 🙂

          • Valri

            Nope, you’re lying, WGC. I never quoted RationalWiki, although I wouldn’t be ashamed to admit it if I had. I have already exposed your lie by linking to our exchange. Would you like me to do it again for the sake of the folks who missed it the first time?

            We were talking about Wikipedia, and even THAT was too “liberal” for you.

          • Basset_Hound

            Don’t forget the Magic Vagina Theory where a clump of cells becomes a baby simply by changing location.

          • Valri

            Whose theory is that? Did you make it up? Google shows nothing.

          • Balerion

            It’s only “magic” to someone completely devoid of intelligence.

          • The Last Trump

            Was that a confession?

          • Balerion

            No, it was an observation. Obviously my error was in acting as though you actually possessed the requisite self-awareness to recognize who my last post was about.

          • The Last Trump

            Congratulations.
            It takes a big man to admit that they are full of errors.
            There may still be hope for you yet. 🙂

          • Valri

            Funny how the word “magic” applies so much more to YOUR belief system than to scientific things you don’t comprehend.

          • The Last Trump

            Moi?
            I think you’re confusing me with you again trollmeister.
            I’m the Christian who studies religion, science, history and all that factual, highly technical stuff you liberals shy away from at all costs.

            And you’re the liberal extremist that has blind faith in the Universe creating itself from nothing. For no reason. And without any explanation how or why whatsoever. Which you like to call “science”.

            Hee, hee! 🙂
            Yes, you got the FUNNY part right though!

          • Valri

            Put your money where your big mouth is, sunshine. What do you DO after you study all this science and history, decide it’s all a satanic plot and throw it away? What about those half dozen HISTORICAL quotes I gave you from the founding fathers which PROVED that America was not founded in any sense on Christianity?

            WHO is the one “shying away” here? Mr. “I Believe Evolution Means In the Beginning There Was Nothing And Then It Exploded?”

            Your mouth is working for the prosecution here, Chuckles. Just like in real life.

            Went to my public library to get some evolutionary material. Know what section it was in? SCIENCE. Amazing, eh? Hee hee hee! TOO FUNNY is right!

          • Valri

            Cute response you got to this sad little rant on another website: “I sincerely hope that The Last Trump is a very dedicated troll, the thought of someone being this willfully ignorant is depressing.”

          • The Last Trump

            What website might that be, pinester?

          • Valri

            Why don’t you Google yourself? You might be surprised.

          • The Last Trump

            Language Valium!
            This is a family friendly website.
            Save that kind of cheap talk for your “other” questionable sites please.
            Thank you. 🙂

          • Valri

            What, “Google” is a bad word now? Like “evolution”?

          • David F Mayer

            This shows total ignorance of Cosmology, Abiogenesis, and Evolution. It wins a triple “F” for utter failure.

            You are implicitly referring to the concept of “Conservation of Energy” which applies only to a physical system that is time invariant. An expanding Universe is not bound by any such law. Look it up in “Classical Mechanics” by Herbert Goldstein.

            Males and females did not appear by magic. Sexuality, like all other biological characteristics evolved over time. In the early world of Archaea and Bacteria, segments of DNA were routinely exchanged by very different organisms. This still happens today among these two domains, and is largely responsible for the evolution of multiple antibiotic resistance. Eventually, a symbiotic event took place resulting in cells with nuclei. Many of these still still exchange DNA by means of some rather sophisticated but non-sexual mating processes.

            Mitosis evolved into union followed by union & meiosis where haploid cells came together forming a diploid cell, swapped chromosomes, and then split apart. Originally, the union state was brief and the organisms split immediately into haploid state. Eventually, at least in more complex organisms, the diploid state became dominant. Then asymmetry developed between the haploid cells, where one haploid cell was larger and the other more mobile. And THAT was the origin of sexuality.

            Do you understand? Probably not.

          • The Last Trump

            Exactly.
            That’s what I said.
            “Magic”.
            Doesn’t matter how many big words you lump together, bub.
            Nothin’ don’t create no somethin’. Ever.
            And with clear design and purpose! So masterfully intricate and highly complex.
            Do you understand? Probably not huh? 🙁

          • David F Mayer

            You are confusing structural versus functional classification. The Hebrew word OF (pronounced like the English “oaf”) is a functional classification meaning “that which flies”. It did not mean “bird”. I’ll give you the talking snakes thing, since that is obviously a fantasy. You cannot impose modern taxonomy on a book that was written thousands of years before Carl Linnaeus. It simply is not reasonable. Similarly, “creeping on all fours” does not mean that they thought that insects had four legs. Instead, it is simply an idiom describing a form of locomotion distinct from the erect walk that prevails among humans (and no other creatures).

          • Tony Jiang

            so you are happy that you have no braincells?

          • The Last Trump

            Guess Darwinists are “fundies” too for adhering to the fundamentals of his flawed beliefs and theories.
            Yes, it’s pretty difficult to shy away from the fundamentals of any science or discipline isn’t it? Unless of course, you are a leftist liberal today.
            Even basic fundamentals to these gender confused folks must be shunned! Go figure.
            Can’t even master the concept of gender today! Good heavens!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            OK, Trump, you forced it out of me. The fundamentals of atheism, as given by the Atheist Creed (warning: this creed is NOT applicable to intellectually honest agnostics, of which only a few exist – you know who you are):

            I, the atheist, believe:

            1. That the universe miraculously popped into existence out of nothing uncaused by anything.

            2. That life magically sprang forth from non-life when lightning hit some mud.

            3. That minds and morals evolved from molecules through monkeys, my cousins are cockroaches, and my relatives are rats.

            4. That sacrificing a human being in the womb is a “right,” because I can’t fit into my wedding dress! (Or, I need a nose job. Or, supply missing excuse here.)

            5. That I’d kill for an orgasm. In fact I already have! (#ShoutYourAbortion, copyright 2015, Basset_Hound, all rights
            reserved.)

            6. That there is no God, and I hate Him.

            Let the love-fest begin! And, remember: Trump overrode my free will. 🙂

          • Valri

            Yep, that’s one of your “greatest hits”. One of your oft-repeated and much-maligned grotesqueries that’s made you so famous in certain circles.

          • Valri

            Darwinism is accepted science, observed and followed and therefore taught in schools. Your storybook God who wants to punish everyone is not. Are the people running our schools “leftist liberals” for teaching what is observed science? And I know you like to wrap everything up in a nice hateful pile, but what does any of this have to do with “gender confused folks”?

            I’m sorry, but this is Fundyism 101. And you’re wearing it as a badge of honor and everyone else is pitying you for it.

          • MamaBear

            I usually refer to myself as Evangelical for the same reason. Evangelical with some Reformed theology leanings. I like their emphasis on the sovereignty of God, but I’m not a predestinationist.
            There are certain basics, like in Lewis’s “Mere Christianity,” that all true Christians share. Beyond that, if our various differences in theology and practice are important, I’m sure we will figure it out in Heaven, unless of course we find out our differences were not really that important after all.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Amen – beautifully put! When I took a long theology test, I came back fundamentalist-evangelical holiness-Wesleyan as my “style.” That, to me, is broad enough to be Mere Christian.

            On the Reformed-Arminian spectrum, I lean Molinist – which is closer to Reformed on God’s Sovereignty, but does not seem to re-define “freedom” into something not really free like hard-core Calvinism would appear to do. The classical quote regarding Molinism is a really interesting one to ponder:

            “It is up to God whether I find myself in a world in which I am predestined; But it is up to me whether I am predestined in the world in which I find myself.” Since both predestination and free will are Biblical, Molina actually came up with the logical reconciliation of the two, seemingly contradictory, concepts – in the 15th century.

            Like you, I think these thinks are interesting to ponder and even debate, but certainly NOT essentials that should divide Christians.

          • Valri

            Mere Christians don’t declare war on homosexuals as you do. They don’t fight evolution being taught in schools. They don’t blow up abortion clinics. They don’t believe the earth is 6000 years old. They don’t believe the SPL Center is a terrorist organization. You’re not a mere Christian. You’re a fundie – a caricature of a Christian.

          • ozarkmichael

            Actually I am a ‘fundie’, and your hatred for me is palpable. Maybe it is you that is prejudiced and a bigot

          • Valri

            Doesn’t matter what I am, I don’t want to punish or kill people based on their sexuality or the fact their situation might required them to have an abortion.

            Funny thing, I don’t think Jesus wants that, either.

          • The Last Trump

            By, “their situation” I guess you mean because of their sexual promiscuity and lack of any morals whatsoever, right? Yeah, good reasons to slaughter innocent unborn children.
            Oh wait. You’re not still claiming that tens of millions of children were killed because all of their mothers were raped, ARE YOU!?
            Yikes.

          • Valri

            “Their sexual promiscuity”

            Wow, and people wonder why I accuse fundamentalists of seeing things in only black and white and no shades of gray. Guess you’ve never heard of rape. Guess you’ve never heard of ectopic pregnancies. No, according to you and WGC, it’s just little hoochies wanting to fit into their prom dresses.

          • The Last Trump

            You’re probably right.
            50 million innocent children have been mercilessly slaughtered.
            Must have all been rape cases.
            Hee, hee! You liberal pro aborts are off your rockers!
            BUT ENTERTAINING! Brother! Don’t ever change pinester!

          • Valri

            If 50 million innocent children have been mercilessly slaughtered I think that would be considered murder and people would have gone to jail for it.

            Abortion isn’t the same as murder though, and you know it. And so does the law. Never said they were all rape cases, but I did say they weren’t all irresponsible teenage girls as you seem to be suggesting.

            Try though you might, the law isn’t on your side on this one, Trumpy.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            It’s really 60million – in the US alone. And, that is a low estimate.

          • The Last Trump

            Nice job, WGC!
            You got our little buddy here to, once again, publically testify and confirm before Almighty God that you are, indeed, a faithful fundamentalist Christian and not an apostate imposter.

          • Valri

            LOL
            Like that’s something to be proud of.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            When Valium criticizes you, The Last Trump, you have ARRIVED! 🙂

          • Valri

            And when entire websites basically enshrine you for your bizarre comments, you’ve arrived too. Just not in a place anyone should be proud of. 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Yes, indeed, my salvation is secure! 🙂 Of course, not because Valium says so, but because Jesus says so.

          • Valri

            Rah rah rah, Jesus. Save me from your followers.

          • Valri

            Nonsense.

            Anyone calling themselves “fundamentalist” will do anything for their belief system, and since no two people believe Christianity exactly the same way, it is not exempt from people choosing to murder.

          • MamaBear

            You are crazy considering we Christians follow the One who said,
            לֹ֥֖א תִּֿרְצָֽ֖ח׃ ס
            “You shall not murder.”

          • Valri

            He also said not to judge, and boy, you’re big on that one, aren’t you?

          • MamaBear

            Try reading the rest of the chapter, not just half a sentence at the beginning. “….for with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.” Jesus warned there would be deceivers we were to be wary of. He said we would know them by their fruits. He expects us to be able to distinguish true believers from fakes. “Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.”

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Nicely done, MamaBear. Valri does not realize that the statement “you shall not judge,” taken in isolation, is ITSELF a judgment, and is therefore self-refuting. That is why, unlike her, we do not take half a verse out of context.

          • Valri

            Sycophant! Toady!

          • Valri

            He also said something, I believe, about the log in your eye. In your case it’s a lumberyard.

          • MamaBear

            As I and WorldGoneCrazy have told you, you don’t know what a fundamentalist is.

          • Valri

            I don’t take definition lessons from you or WorldGoneCrazy who scream “pro-abort” at everyone who disagrees with you.

          • MamaBear

            No, I’ve noticed abortion supporters and anti-Christian bigots (you seem to fit both categories my dear) like making up their own definitions.

          • Valri

            Christianity I have no issue with. It’s this hate-corroded cult you’ve wrapped yourself in which you’re calling Christianity. It’s precisely the most un-Christlike belief I’ve ever seen.

          • MamaBear

            Oh yes, you have an issue with Christianity.
            I personally know dozens and dozens of people who you would call fundamentalists who donate freely of their time and treasure to provide medical care for the poor, tutor children, teach English Second Language classes, help unwed mothers, even go to third world countries to provide medical care and train teachers.
            What have you done lately to help others?

          • Valri

            What have I done lately to help others? I’ve logged on here and fought against hatred, bigotry, homophobia, and people who think we should let the terminally ill die long and drawn out painful deaths. I have fought against fundamentalism and hate since day one, lady, and it’s not going to stop.

          • MamaBear

            So you haven’t fed the hungry, cared for the sick, helped unwed mothers or assisted the poor? The kind of things I see those “awful fundamentalist Christians” doing daily. Thought so!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            But, she did vote Obama because, after all, he TALKED about helping the poor. (Before creating so many more of them.)

          • Valri

            Did I say I hadn’t? Then why assume?

          • MamaBear

            I asked specifically what you had done to help others after I had listed ways that “Fundamentalist Christians” helped others.
            Your answer:
            “What have I done lately to help others? I’ve logged on here and fought against hatred, bigotry, homophobia, and people who think we should let the terminally ill die long and drawn out painful deaths. I have fought against fundamentalism and hate since day one, lady, and it’s not going to stop.”
            Not one word about feeding the hungry, caring for the sick, or helping the poor. That is why I assumed.

          • Basset_Hound

            I see you can’t resist the “Painting with a Broad Brush” and “Guilt by Association” fallacies by trying to imply that MamaBear is “standing alongside” these wackos who have glommed onto Christianity for their own financial or emotional gain.

          • Valri

            There is no such fallacy. MamaBear painted herself into a corner by implying that atheism leads to terrorist attacks, which is absurd in the extreme.

          • Basset_Hound

            No, she pointed out that the greatest mass murderers in history, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler and Mao killed millions in an effort to eradicate religious beliefs and practices.

          • Valri

            If that’s the case, then why are the bulk of the world’s atheists not interested in wiping out Christianity?

            You point out a bunch of powerful political figures with political ideologies and try (and fail) to make them out to be just like any other atheist out there. You know that’s stupid…and so does everyone.

          • Basset_Hound

            Not at all.

            YOU are the one trying (and failing) to make these cartoon characters that you listed in your post like any other Evangelical Christian out there. You know that’s stupid, and so does everybody else.

            You are crying like a toddler being sent to Time Out when MamaBear and the rest of us fight back by giving you a dose of your own medicine instead of being intimidated by your mind games and tantrums.

          • Valri

            If you want to be better represented as model Christians than the gun-waving, gay bashing, Bible-thumping monsters you have representing you now, then I’d say you have some housecleaning to do. Why do you think you’re the most marginalized of Christians (even if you’re the loudest)? Because people don’t like your hateful, intolerant message. Furthermore, it’s the opposite of what Christ preached.

          • Basset_Hound

            And who picked these “gun-waving, gay-bashing, Bible thumping monsters” as our representatives?

            Anti-Christian bigots like you who embrace cartoonish caricatures because they make you feel superior.

            So before you wave your finger and lecture us about being hateful and intolerant, take the log out of your own eye. THEN come back and tell us about taking the plank out of ours.

          • Valri

            Oh, it’s ME who put these cartoonish thugs on display as your mascots, is it? Who, pray tell, would you choose? Ray Comfort? Ken Ham? Kent Hovind? You know, really FINE upstanding citizens like that who are anti-science and pro-hate?

            Yet another fundamentalist who doesn’t understand that standing up to hatred does not itself constitute hatred.

          • Basset_Hound

            Yes, you’re the one who’s made these cartoon characters our “mascots”. Then you take to web sites that are dedicated to promoting Christian or pro-life principles to bully, stalk and insult other posters, all in the name of “standing up to hatred”.

            Que up the Alanis Morissette track because that’s Ironic

          • Valri

            Well…I asked ONCE, Rastus, who’s the shining example of fundamentalist Christianity who SHOULD be gracing all our news headlines? Do I have to keep guessing? Is it Kirk Cameron? How about Mike Huckabee? Ted Cruz? Rick Santorum?

          • Basset_Hound

            Why do we need to have someone to “grace news headlines” and to represent us as a “shining example”? We have thousands of unsung heroes who serve their congregations and communities who serve as “shining examples” to those who know them and who benefit from their guidance and caring.

          • Valri

            Because the people who represent your beliefs are the people who are going to be noticed and be thought of as your representatives. And lots of your kind of PROUD of the likes of Ken Ham, Kent Hovind and Ray Comfort, so why are you saying these people are being chosen by US?

          • ozarkmichael

            I dont know who those people are. So your generalization just fell apart.

          • Valri

            Not to those who read the news.

          • The Last Trump

            You are correct.
            Atheists don’t usually go for terrorist attacks.
            Mostly mass murder of their own people on a ridiculously frightening scale of tens of millions. You just gotta love the atheists of the world!
            Real humanitarians!

          • Thomas

            WBC was not affiliated with any Baptist denomination and was classified and monitored as a hate group. It was in no way recognized as a fundamentalist organization as it was renounced by the following religious bodies: Baptist Workd Alliance, Sourhen Baptist Convention, Methodist Church, Reformed Church and Evsngelical Church. Look this up online and come back to us with an apology for continued attempts to disparage fundamentalist through dishonest and false information. I’m disappointed in you Valri.

          • Valri

            I’m disappointed in you as well Thomas, because many of the
            organizations you list, while publicly condemning the actions of the WBC, in fact harbor many of the same exact beliefs.

          • Thomas

            Speaking of beliefs – you support abortion and I don’t. What’s wrong with your belief system? 😂 and yet you do not perform abortions (at least I’d like to believe you don’t).

            WBC acted on those beliefs, that is the major difference. Do not ever confuse beliefs with actions unless you’re willing to advocate policing thought.

          • Valri

            No, I don’t support abortion. Give me the specific circumstances behind a specific woman’s situation and I’ll tell you whether I believe an abortion is warranted or not. Note that this does not make me a “pro abort”, it merely makes me a person who sees shades of gray and understands that no two situations are the same.

          • Thomas

            How many shades of grey do you see – 50? One is either prolife or proabort, there is nothing between. The only choice your side supports is abortion on demand.

          • Basset_Hound

            Isn’t it interesting that several people she tried to tar with the “fundie” title are taking it as a badge of honor, while she insists on hiding behind euphamisms.

          • The Last Trump

            Soooo….you support abortion.
            Well, why didn’t you just say so in the first place, silly!
            There’s nothing wrong with being a pro abort liberal Christian bashing trollster.
            It’s kind of par for the course with you guys. No worries mate.

          • Valri

            No, I don’t support abortion.

          • The Last Trump

            Gotcha.
            😉

          • ozarkmichael

            ooh the guilt by long distance association thing? Like if you are a vegan we should be disappointed in you… because the Nazis pushed natural foods, and you are harboring many of the same beliefs. does that make sense to you?

          • MamaBear

            Oh really? You literally know nothing about those Christian denominations except their names. In fact, they each do a great deal of good for others, both here and abroad, providing food, medical care, and education and more.
            What good have your atheists been doing lately?

          • Valri

            “What good have your atheists been doing lately?”

            First of all, they’re not MY atheists, they are just atheists. They’re not an organized group like you, they just happen to believe there isn’t a higher power they need to appeal to, so the “good” they have done can be pretty much have been anything at all. Random acts of kindness, is that good enough for you? Atheists don’t congregate anywhere to discuss or arrange it.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Well, to be fair, I did drive by a “Freedom From Thought” orphanage, a “There is No God and I Hate Him” homeless shelter, and a “Take That Cross Down” children’s hospital today. 🙂

          • MamaBear

            Keep that up and you will give Basset competition! 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            If only Valri had said that – I would have won the Triple Crown! 🙂

            But, it means SO much more coming from you, MamaBear! Notice how she said that atheists do not organize their charitable acts. Because, ya know, organizing them might actually make them that much more effective and all. 🙂

          • MamaBear

            They are too busy trying to remove the 10 Commandments, Nativity Scenes, Menorahs, and stop High School football game prayers to have any time for charity.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Yes, they are trying to save the world from, well, uuuh, the universe dying a slow cold dark death. Atheism is like a religion or something to the New Atheists!

            We (former) Old Atheists never would have evangelized our atheism. We would have seen the obvious contradiction from the start. Plus, it would have been so far “beneath” us to behave like the Christians we hated. 🙂

          • MamaBear

            I remember an atheist lady who had attended Sunday School, youth group, even been baptized. She tried to claim to be both a Baptist and an atheist. Regularly tried to tell those of us active in our churches that she knew more about Christianity than us, all while bragging she was too smart to believe any of it. Made a royal fool of herself quite regularly. Never argue Christianity or Bible with people whose Bibles are falling apart when the gold leaf on the pages of yours is still stuck together.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Haha – love that last line!

            That is the ultimate in religious pluralism – an atheist Baptist – isn’t it?!? 🙂

          • MamaBear

            She never seemed to get the contradiction there. Valri’s arguing that Breivik was Christian reminds me of her.

            Speaking of atheists, you might like this quote:
            “Doing things in secret that you are ashamed for others to know is practical atheism. God’s knowing doesn’t count?” John Piper

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Love it – thank you so much for the reminder!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            And WBC is Demon-crat.

          • Alex

            How many people did they shoot and kill?
            How many of them became suicide bombers to kill innocents?

          • bowie1

            They only protest, the last time I checked. Still not very godly but nobody was murdered.

          • Lars Schroeder

            If you accused Westboro Baptist Church members of being bigoted fools who stir up hatred and strife and shame, I’d agree with you. Protesting at funerals is disgusting. But comparing this kind of despicable behavior with slaughtering and murdering innocent people is ludicrous. Is that really the best argument you can come up with? Go ahead and name the most recent time Christians actually physically killed others in the name of Christ.

    • afchief

      There are peaceful Muslims, but there is no such thing as peaceful Islam. Violence is not an aberration in Islam-it is DOCTRINE.

  • Valri

    This is a cautionary tale of the dangers of radical religion, whether it
    be Islam or Christianity. Fundamentalism causes people to end up dead,
    because fundamentalism fosters hatred.

    • gizmo23

      You are absolutely correct. Extreme religious dogma always causes problems especially when it becomes entangled with governance. It has caused much of the pain suffering and death in mankinds history

      • Valri

        Yes. Religion itself is not the problem. The problem is when anyone adheres too rigidly to it and becomes unreasonable.

    • MamaBear

      So now we need to be afraid of Southern Baptists doing drive by shootings of restaurants and Pentecostals shooting up concerts? And I guess they are beheading people and cutting off hands in the Bible Belt?
      Valri, be careful, your anti-Christian bigotry is showing.

      • Valri

        I can easily point to ten “kill the gays” pastors online, and they aren’t Catholics or Lutherans. And you know this.

        • MamaBear

          Citations please because I don’t “know this,” and Westboro does not count as Christians overwhelmingly disown them.

          • gizmo23

            The fall back cop out. When a religious person does something awful they suddenly aren’t “true” believers.

          • MamaBear

            OK, then all atheists are responsible for Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. After all, they publicly proclaimed their atheism, and killed those who believed in God, Jesus, and even Buddha in the name of atheism. BTW, Stalin and Mao (don’t know about Pol Pot) believed Darwin, so all Darwinists are responsible for those genocides and mass murders as well.
            It makes as much sense to blame ALL atheists for millions of atrocities and deaths as it does to blame all Christians for a few outliers that we have disowned.
            My point is that the majority of Muslims have not been publicly denouncing terrorists. Perhaps it is merely fear, but in that case they are allowing extremists to be the representatives of their religion.
            You cannot honestly say if a religion disowns people for doing bad things, as the majority of Christians do Westboro, that they re still responsible for the evil deeds they do.

          • Valri

            You are confusing the issue. It’s not about religion, it’s about extremism. Political extremism and religious extremism end up with lots of people being dead. Stalin was an extremist, so was Hitler, so is Pat Robertson, so is Jack Chick, so is every list on that list of gave you of pastors who want to kill gay people.

          • MamaBear

            “so is every list on that list of gave you of pastors”
            WOW! Are you so upset you can’t even write.
            Pat Robertson is a harmless old man. His following has been dramatically shrinking over the years and he is certainly not any kind of major leader. I heard him one day while waiting for another program, and I got the impression he is somewhat senile.
            I’m pretty familiar with who’s who among major American Christian leaders, and I’ve never heard of Jack Chick or any of the six in your comment that finally appeared. I did look them up. Not one single one of them was a member of an actual Christian denomination. Every single one was an independent. One had been kicked out of Missionary Baptist but turned his church into a cult-like group. One had been kicked out of his church.
            Anytime you see Independent Baptist, that means they are not part of any Baptist denomination. Some Independent Baptist are alright, but unfortunately any nut, like Phelps, can come along and use the name Baptist. Kind of like you atheists have Timothy McVeigh, Ted Bundy, Jared Lee Loughner, and Ted Kaczynski, only unlike your atheists, these so-called Christians just talk bad, they don’t actually act.

          • Valri

            If Pat Robertson was as “harmless” as you claim, he wouldn’t have people he’s swindled over the years sending him bucketfuls of money to continue his ministry of hatred.

            And once again you list a bunch of people who have much IN COMMON with the Phelpses, the Chicks, the Christian hatemongers. People driven by ideology that they are convinced is right. No different than the people who drove planes into the World Trade Center. They are zealots and fundamentalists.

          • MamaBear

            Please tell me when Pat Robertson encouraged anybody to pilot (not drive – a plane is not a car or truck) a plane into the World Trade Center or similar. In fact tell me the name of just one Christian who did so.
            People who donate to Pat Robertson do so voluntarily. He has something called Operation Blessing which has actually been verified to help people here and abroad. It may not be where you would donate your money, but no one forces anyone to donate.
            BTW – what do you do to help others?
            The people I listed are YOUR folks – atheists!

          • Valri

            Pat Robertson has said so many hateful, wacky, off-the-wall statements, and not JUST in his advanced years, blaming acts of nature like tsunamis and tornadoes on the fact that the world is becoming accepting of homosexuals, that sort of thing, that it’s unconscionable that you would defend him in any way. He’s about the most un-Christlike “Christian” I can think of.

            And once again, you fail to recognize that the problem isn’t religion. And I never said it was. The problem is fundamentalism. It was fundamentalists who flew planes into the World Trade Center. It is fundamentalists who bomb abortion clinics and murder abortion doctors. If you are incapable of seeing shades of gray and only black and white, you are a fundamentalist.

          • MamaBear

            In 40 years there have been only 8 murders of people involved with abortion – none of which were because of people connected with any pro-life organization or fundamentalist church.
            I don’t listen to Pat Robertson, none of the Christians I know do, he is not quoted by any ministers I know, so actually all I have is your word for what he says, and I’m pretty sure whatever you are saying is 3rd-hand exaggerations. I do know about his Operation Blessing. What have you done lately to help others?
            Once again, it was Muslims, not Christians, who blew up the World Trade Center.

          • Valri

            You continue to make this a matter of religion. It’s not. It’s about FUNDAMENTALISM. People who see things in terms of black and white, no gray areas, no discussion, no reason, just pure ideology. Religious or political, it makes no difference. You are using this as an excuse to attack atheists which is utterly ridiculous. If you believe there is no God it doesn’t turn you into a murderer.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Indeed, when it comes to killing, pro-aborts have pro-lifers outnumbered 60 million to 8. I do not think we will catch up, especially given that:

            a. We are not trying to catch up, and

            b. In comparison with the Paris massacre,150 humans in the womb are brutally killed about every 2.5 hours – 24/7, 365 days a year, on average, in America alone.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Notice how she says that it is wrong to view anything in black or white terms – just before she views “fundies” in black or white terms. 🙂

            The fancy philosophical term for Valri is “self-refuting.” The Jesus term is “hypocrite.”

          • MamaBear

            Thank you so much. I shall now follow your example and consider the murderers of millions, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot as typical examples of atheists. Oh, and I must not forget Hitler, after all, his private quotations. such as in Table Talk, are atheist, so his public quotations that supposedly supported Christianity were clearly a politically motivated act. Using your own logic, they must be true believers in atheism and the epitome of what you atheists aspire to.

          • gizmo23

            Sounds good

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Nice job of turning the tables, Mamabear!

          • Valri

            Citations as requested. Now please tell me why on earth you would defend people like this.

            Pastor James David Manning, Harlem –

            Christians Must Be Willing To Kill To Stop Sodomites

            “.. against the sodomites, against racism – we’re gonna have to be willing to kill as well. You can try to arrest me, saying that I’m inciting murderous behavior. Go ahead and try. See if that will stand up in court. Let me tell you something, if you’re not willing to kill for what you believe, if you’re not will to kill those that are diametrically opposed in great evil against you believe, then you’re not worthy of his service. You gotta be willing to kill.”

            http://joemygod.blogspot. com/2015/04/harlem-hate-pastor-christians-must-be. html

            Pastor Donnie Romero, founder of Stedfast Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas

            Texas pastor brags about harassing lesbians as he calls for death of ‘dirty f*ggots’

            “I love that part of the Bible, and I’m going to preach that part of the Bible until the day I die, and if I ever stop preaching that part of the Bible, I hope my kids tell me, ‘Dad, you’re going soft on sin. You need to get up there and rip on these queers because it’s only getting worse and worse’”

            “Romero said gays should be marked for death, unlike other sinners, because he said God views them as an abomination.”

            http://www.rawstory. com/2014/12/texas-pastor-brags-about-harassing-lesbians-as-he-calls-for-death-of-dirty-fggots/

            Pastor Stephen L. Anderson, pastor of Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona

            ‘Kill All Homos’ Pastor: ‘It’s the Government’s Job’ to Execute Gay People (VIDEO)

            http://www.addictinginfo. org/2014/12/06/kill-all-homos-pastor-its-the-governments-job-to-execute-gay-people-video/

            http://tellmenow. com/2014/05/arizona-pastor-the-government-should-use-the-death-penalty-on-homosexuals/

            “It was right there in the Bible all along — and they’re out spending billions of dollars in research and testing. It’s curable — right there,” he told his congregation after quoting from Leviticus. “Because if you executed the homos like God recommends, you wouldn’t have all this AIDS running rampant.”

            “Rather than the government’s job is to punish criminals and to execute those who commit capital crimes and, according to the Bible, homosexuality is a capital crime, and I didn’t write the Bible.”

            “Well, that’s just a fallacy that it just turns out that certain people are gay. That’s just a lie. Because it’s not random — it’s not something that’s just gonna accidentally happen to one of my children…”

            AZ Pastor’s ‘Biblical’ FINAL SOLUTION to ‘Homo’ ‘Pedophiles’: Mass Extermination (VIDEO)

            http://www.ifyouonlynews. com/politics/this-arizona-pastor-wants-to-cure-aids-by-exterminating-all-the-homos-video/

            “And that, my friend, is the cure for AIDS. It was right there in the Bible all along — and they’re out spending billions of dollars in research and testing. It’s curable — right there. Because if you executed the homos like God recommends, you wouldn’t have all this AIDS running rampant. Because just think — what would be your attitude toward pedophiles? That should be your attitude toward homos. Would you have pedophiles over for a family gathering? Would you invite pedophiles into the church? No — that’s what they are.”

            Pastor Charles L. Worley of Providence Road Baptist Church

            “I figured a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers. Build a great, big, large fence — 150- or 100-mile long — put all the lesbians in there . . . do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence
            electrified so they can’t get out.”

            http://www.nydailynews. com/news/national/north-carolina-pastor-calls-death-gays-lesbians-trapping-electric-fence-article-1.1082160

            Pastor Robby Gallaty, Brainerd Baptist Church

            “They must be put to death. And their blood is on their own hands”

            http://www.addictinginfo. org/2014/09/04/christian-pastor-at-mega-chruch-calls-on-gays-to-be-put-to-death/

            Pastor Curtis Knapp, of the New Hope Baptist Church in Seneca, Kansas

            “They should be put to death. Oh, so you’re saying we should go out and start killing them, no?’ I’m saying the government should. They won’t, but they should.”

            https://www.opposingviews. com/i/religion/christianity/audio-pastor-curtis-knapp-calls-us-government-kill-gays

            Pastor Robert Anderson, Colonial Baptist Church

            “Those who practice such things are deserving of death”

            http://www.theindychannel. com/news/pastor-says-same-sex-couples-worthy-of-death

            Pastor Michael V. Williams, PreachingPolitics

            “practice of homosexuality in the United States of America and in all its territories and possessions, and in all its States, Counties and Cities shall be a felony punishable by ten years in prison at hard labor.”

            http://www.rawstory. com/2014/08/pastor-calls-to-imprison-gays-for-ten-years-hard-labor-with-new-constitutional-amendment/

            Reverend Michael Crook

            “I really, truly wish that atheism and homosexuality could both be criminalized with the death penalty as end result”

            http://aattp. org/christian-pastor-calls-for-atheists-and-gays-to-be-put-to-death/

          • Disqusdmnj

            Zing!

          • Valri

            Going to continue to ignore the list below, MamaBear? I assure you these statements were all made by fundamentalist Christian pastors.

      • gizmo23

        It has happened that Christians have done horrible things to others

        • afchief

          That’s a lie! Jesus calls us to love one another. Not kill one another!

          • gizmo23

            But Christians have killed people

          • afchief

            If a Christian kills a person in cold blood he will have to answer to God for it. It is NOT part of Christian doctrine

            For Islam IT IS!!!

          • gizmo23

            The OT certainly talks about killing of innocent people. It also allows for the death penalty for many crimes and sins. The OT is much like the Koran in many ways

          • afchief

            We do NOT live underneath the OT today. Strictly the NT.

          • gizmo23

            So why is it part of the Bible and why is it quoted so much?

          • afchief

            To study!

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        God bless you for your patience with her, MamaBear! You are walking in Christ beautifully.

        • Valri

          Your toadying is really quite nauseating. You’re afraid to engage with me so instead you act as cheerleader for those who do. I intend to point this out at every opportunity to showcase your cowardice.

        • MamaBear

          Thanks, but today I’m a bit of a grump in real life. Going through a new lymphedema treatment (multiple layers of bandages around the swelling) and chemo pills made me nauseous at dinner (I forgot to take my anti-nausea pill.) The Lord and I are having a very long talk tonight about my attitude today.

          • Kandy

            I will keep Praying for your health and healing.

          • MamaBear

            Thank you.

          • Kandy

            you welcome.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            MammaBear there are many who are Praying for you and we will not stop.

          • MamaBear

            Thank you so much.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Your very welcome 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Praying for you, MamaBear! I knew you were going through a lot this past month or so, with the treatment and all, which is why I am so amazed by how you are writing so beautifully and joyfully for the Lord. Your attitude is AWESOME!

      • Kandy

        Would you please pray that I can become as kind as you are with others? And with patience.? Sometimes I do good. Than other times I become a Blue eyed Monster.

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          MamaBear is the gold standard on patience with stalkers and the godless, Kandy.

          • Kandy

            MamaBear really is. One day I hope I will Just half like her.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I would be happy with even 10% of her grace-filled heart, Kandy. You are an inspiration too, BTW – keep soldiering on.

          • Kandy

            Me too. And Thank you.

          • MamaBear

            Thanks Kandy and World. I just hope I am being a witness for our Lord.

          • Kandy

            You are! When you are face to face with Our Lord hr has something for you. You may even see some of these Atheist is heaven 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Duh! No need for hope in that department, just rest assured that you are! A famous Man once said “By their fruit you will recognize them.” 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Oh, and BTW, if it ticks off Valri, expect many more compliments from me, you “fundie.” 🙂

          • Valri

            Cowardly and toadying as always, talking around me and letting your cheerleaders do your battles for you. I will always find your comments and expose your cowardice.

        • MamaBear

          Kandy, I had a lot of years of practice working with kids. That helps you learn patience. But, I will pray for you.

          • Kandy

            Thank you.

    • The Last Trump

      And lets not forget atheism and Darwinism.
      They don’t get any more radical than THAT!
      Totalitarian, socialist, communist God denying, freedom hating mass murdering monsters sure do make for great leaders, don’t they junior?

      • Valri

        That’s right Trumpy, Darwinism, that heinous, vicious pack of facts which is taught in our science classes in schools because it happens to be the truth, has absolutely caused masses of murdering monsters, hasn’t it? Problem is, you can’t actually name one, can you?

        And logically it just makes sense that if you subscribe to Darwinism, you hate freedom and love communism, right? Can you remind me again what planet you live on?

      • gizmo23

        Gangs of Darwin thugs roaming the streets killing people Hilarious

  • MamaBear

    May God be with the people of France, especially the victims and their families.
    Yet more proof of what an evil world we live in. We were warned that evil would continue to grow until our Lord comes again.

    • Valri

      And the evil comes primarily from religious zealotry, and the sooner people realize this, the better off we will all be.

      • MamaBear

        You really are quite the bigot. Not all religions practice violence. Most don’t.

        • Valri

          I never said it was about the religion, but the zealots within the religion. I am talking about fundamentalism, and that does not make me a bigot, it makes me a realist.

          • MamaBear

            Realist – Bundy, Loughner, McVeigh, Dahmer, the Unabomber were all atheists. So were Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, and Hitler. What does that say about atheists?

          • PJ4

            MamaBear, you left out the Marquis de Sade, Kinsey, Napoleon, Than Shwe, Kim Jong Il, Jim Jones, Mussolini, Marat and most of the guys who headed up (hahaha!No pun intended!) the Reign of Terror during the French Revolution.
            That’s just off the top of my head.
            It’s been a minute since my last history class 😁

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “headed up” – yes! One more for PJ4’s Hall of Quotes!

            “Liberty, equality, fraternity, or death; – the last, much the easiest to bestow, O Guillotine!” ― Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities

          • Valri

            I have no idea – what are you TRYING to say about atheists? You listed a bunch of tyrants who HAPPENED to be atheists. Hitler liked puppies, too. Does that mean everyone who likes puppies is a genocidal maniac?

            Religion is only ONE way a person can be a fundamentalist in their thinking, these people were ideological fundamentalists.

            I never claimed religion was the issue. I always said fundamentalism was.

          • MamaBear

            No, I listed a bunch of atheists who were murderers. Name one Christian who murdered as many millions as Stalin. Mao, Hitler, or Pol Pot. In fact, name one Buddhist or Hindu. What Christian has blown up as many innocent people as McVeigh? Name a Christian who gunned down a Congressman like Loughner did.

          • Valri

            No problem. Any Jehovah’s Witness who refuses a blood transfusion for a family member encourages them to end up as dead as any terrorist attacker.

            You want the name of a Christian serial killer? No problem. Anders Behring Breivik. Now go ahead and do what you always do and invoke No True Scotsman. “He wasn’t a true Christian”.

          • MamaBear

            Jehovah Witnesses are not Christians. They do not believe in the divinity of Christ, they do not believe in the Trinity, they use their own “translation” of the Bible which is not accepted by any legitimate Greek scholars, they do not celebrate Christian holidays, they consider themselves the only “true believers.” But, even if they were Christians, it is actually very rare any of them die from lack of blood transfusions. They usually bank there own blood before major surgeries, which they allow.

            So glad you brought up Anders Behring Breivik. You see, he is actually one of yours. Yes, he is a self-proclaimed atheist. He described himself as a “cultural Christian” who is an atheist. Quote, “It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian-atheist (an atheist who wants to preserve at least the basics of the European Christian cultural legacy…)” There is no such thing as a “cultural Christian” or a “Christian-Atheist.” Christians come from many cultures, but they all must believe in Jesus Christ.
            Yeah, before his manifesto was translated, the media was calling him a fundamentalist Christian, even though he was totally unassociated with any Christian church. They lied!

          • Valri

            Yes, I know, Jehovah’s Witness are not true Scotsmen. This is a card you play every time someone does something outside of your rigid little interpretation of True Christianity, which of course YOU belong to but very few others do. I’ve seen people on this site also state that CATHOLICS are not Christians, which is about the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard in my life.

            Anders Breivik self-identified as a Christian. You asked for ONE example. I gave you one. I did as you asked. You continue to miss the point, that it’s not atheists that cause people to wind up dead. It’s zealots and fundamentalists, people who adhere too rigidly to a faith or political view.

          • The Last Trump

            “You continue to miss the point, that it’s not atheists that cause people to wind up dead. It’s zealots and fundamentalists, people who adhere too rigidly to a faith or political view”
            Uh….yeah? Hello!
            Exactly.
            Like atheism. Duh.

          • MamaBear

            Breivik self-identified as an atheist! He’s one of yours!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            She is having a meltdown, MamaBear – she is just now beginning to realize that atheists CAN be fundies! Notice how she accuses you of the No True Scotsman fallacy (in a fallacious manner, of course) even while she is using the same argument for atheists! You are going to force her to rename her website – the one that so few people have ever heard of to that she has to keep linking to it. 🙂

          • MamaBear

            Gee, I didn’t even know she had a website.

          • Griffonn

            Ask her if quack scientists are part of the scientific community the way people who reject Christian tenets are apparently (to her) Christians.

            I want to see what she says…..

          • MamaBear

            I already have an idea what she would say. On another site, she and I got into it because I did not weight psychology as being as definitive as observable and measureable sciences such as biology.
            I think psychology has it’s place, but there are competing theories which exclude each other and they have changed what is and isn’t considered mental illness based on political correctness rather than hard empirical evidence.

          • Basset_Hound

            Believe me, I can identify. It seems that everybody seems to have heard second or third hand stories about parents who “wouldn’t give up” on a severely autistic child “and now nobody can tell there was ever anything wrong with him”. I always hated it when some well-meaning know-nothing would inflict one of these stories on me. According to the support groups and publications, the model parents were those who jetted off to meet with doctors in New York to see about Treatment X then went to San Francisco to look into Treatment Y. Either that or they were willing to hire therapists at thousands of dollars a pop to work with the kid 26 hours a day, 8 days a week. There seems to be a subtle conclusion that if a child doesn’t “emerge” from autism, or worse yet, if he regresses, then it’s because parents lack love and commitment. I actually had a meddling relative sic CPS on us because she claimed I “wasn’t being aggressive enough” in seeking treatments for our son.

          • MamaBear

            Oh Basset, I so understand.
            People who had breast cancer, but no recurrences, always seem to have a pet theory why. People without cancer somehow fancy themselves as experts on why not.
            At least they can’t call CPS on how I am treating me.

          • Basset_Hound

            All I know is that there’s a woman in our Life Group who was Stage III or Stage IV years ago, and who is now taking things one day at a time.

          • MamaBear

            God is still in the miracle business. Sometimes He gives us miracles one day at a time.
            If you never see your son healed from autism in this life (as a mother I can’t even imagine how hard that is), remember, in Heaven there is no sickness – including no autism.
            PrayIng for you.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I’m sorry – the website she keeps linking to. I doubt she has the motivation to actually put together a website, much less a thoughtful one.

          • Basset_Hound

            So was Chris Harper Mercer, the Umpqua Community College shooter who targered Christians in his rampage.

          • Valri

            Breivik is a self-proclaimed CHRISTIAN. He saw himself as a CHRISTIAN WARRIOR.

            https://www.splcenter. org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/christian-crusader

            On the subject, here’s a list of 6 modern Christian terrorist groups. Happy reading.

            http://www.salon. com/2015/04/07/6_modern_day_christian_terrorist_groups_our_media_conveniently_ignores_partner/

          • MamaBear

            I quoted directly out of Breivik’s own manifesto. You cannot be both a Christian and an atheist. He called himself an atheist. Nice how the Southern Poverty Lying Center selectively left that atheist part out.
            I read the list you had from Salon (which never heard of a Bible believing Christian they didn’t hate – they even hated Mother Teresa). None of these groups are recognized by other Christians as genuine believers. It really cracked me up that you atheists and Christian haters think anyone will seriously consider a list of violent terrorist groups who deny all historic Christian creeds and that even includes a group that thinks Jesus is a Chinese woman.

          • Valri

            Brevik is only one example, you believe he’s an atheist and the rest of the world thinks he is a Christian. Want to talk about people killing in the name of Christianity? Heard of the Spanish Inquisition? Heard of the Crusades?

          • MamaBear

            Breivik said he was an atheist in his manifesto! If a mass murderer says he is an atheist, I will take him at his word. There is no such thing as a “cultural Christian.” Christians come in many cultures, but an atheist is not a Christian.
            The Inquisition was wrong. The Catholic Church has repented of it. Some of my family fled from the French version of the Inquisition, but we Protestants do not hold the Inquisition against modern Catholics. Jesus taught there would be tares (weeds) among the wheat (believers). I suspect most, if not all, of the Inquisition leaders will be tares he sifts out of the wheat.
            As for the Crusades, I will not defend what they became, but please take a good long look at how they began. North Africa to Turkey were all Christian. Those lands did not peacefully decide to become Muslim, they were conquered. The Crusaders of Europe were originally responding to the cries for help from Middle Eastern and Turkish Christians under attack.

          • Valri

            “Breivik claimed that he is a Christian in various forums, but most explicitly and in greatest detail in the 1,500-page manifesto he compiled over several months and posted on the Internet.

            “At the age of 15 I chose to be baptised [sic] and confirmed in the Norwegian State Church,” the 32-year-old Breivik wrote. “I consider myself to be 100 percent Christian.”

            There you are.
            The point you’re trying to make about atheism creating mass murderers is ludicrous, however.

          • MamaBear

            Then why in his manifesto did he describe himself as “Christian-Atheist?” His words! If you are an atheist, you are not a Christian, no matter how wet you got in a church as a kid. If you actually read his manifesto, he appears to see Christianity as a culture or part of being ethnically European, kind of like secular nonreligious Jews.

          • ozarkmichael

            Amish are one the most Christian fundamentalist groups in the USA. They have such zeal for God that they refuse many modern conveniences.
            I have been around their community a lot. We pray very fundamentalist prayers together. Either you are a realist and they are “evil”…
            or you are a bigot.

          • Valri

            You can reason with an Amish person. You cannot reason with a Born again evangelical Christian. They are not the same.

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          You really are patient with her. She has obviously never heard of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc, nor that 97% of atheists are pro-aborts, the ideological supporters of the worst mass human killing of all time.

          • Valri

            You have quite a bad case of sycophancy. It doesn’t matter at all how totally off their rocker someone is, if they stick up for your brand of hatred masquerading as Christianity, you fawn all over them. It would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic and you weren’t the poster boy for fundamentalist lunacy on boards such as this. If you aren’t careful you’re going to be as infamous for your toadying as you are for your radical crazy version of Christianity.

          • MamaBear

            I gave her a list of some famous American murderers who were self-proclaimed atheists, too. Wonder if she has heard of them?

  • afchief

    Write your Congressman as I have and demand that they stop 0bama from bringing more Muslims to our country.

    Questions BEING ASKED Behind the Scenes in Europe:

    1.) Why would Syrian refugees make the dangerous and extremely long journey to European nations and U.S. (who hold damnable doctrine and life-styles according to the Quran) rather than the Arab nations (who are Islamic oriented) around them?

    2.) Why has it taken 5 full years (length of civil war in certain parts of Syria) for Syrians in the particular regions to leave?

    3.) Why are refugees tossing out good water and food given to them by western governments on their arrival?

    4.) Why are the vast majority of the refugees young men?

    5.) Why are the 5 wealthiest Gulf Nations refusing to take even one refugee? What do they know that we don’t?

    6.) Could it be this refugee crisis is not really a crisis at all but a Trojan Horse?

    7.) Could it be that we could be looking at the most massive Infiltration of Muslims and the religion of Islam the West has EVER seen in History

    8.) Could it be this “refugee crisis” is a planned takeover of Islamic Teachings?

    • James Godson

      The original 13 colonies were founded by different denominations as sovereign ‘nations’ joined together for the general welfare and common defense. It is time to start new Christian nations inside the USA – read more at jcbooks dot org

  • David Morales

    Real God-fearing martyred christians have and allways will be persecuted and killed.

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      Yeah, the terrorists first asked if the people who where murdered if they were christians. Get real, there are also people of other religions living there, two of the victims were muslims. They randomly killed people, not caring what religion they had.

  • bowie1

    150 dead according to last night’s news reports. Shows we must be ready to meet our Maker at any moment.

  • BalancedMind

    It is not Paris we should pray for.
    It is the world. It is a world in which Beirut, reeling from bombings two days before Paris,
    is not covered in the press.
    A world in which a bomb goes off at a funeral in Bagdad and not one person’s status update says “Baghdad”, because not one white person did in that fire.
    Pray for the world that blames a refugee crisis for a terrorist attack.
    That does not pause to differentiate between the attacker and the person running from the very same thing you are.
    Pray for a world where people walking across countries for months, their only belongings upon their backs, are told they have no place to go.
    Say a prayer for Paris by all means, but pray more, for the world that does not have a prayer for those who no longer have a home to defend.
    For a world that is falling apart in all corners, and not simply in the towers and cafes we find so familiar.

  • Kandy

    We should pray for the people in Paris.We should also Pray for all who are being killed by Suicide Bombings and other attacks made by terrorist in all Nations around the world.Pray for the Jews who go through this all the time. And remember this could be us again in the future.

    • Joe Soap

      Why don’t you pray for the 280,000 Americans who have been shot dead in the last 10 years by other Americans? You don’t need foreign terrorists you already terrorise each other. You’re putting ISIS to shame.

      Oh I forgot. According to the NRA guns are only bad when muslims use them but when Americans use them it’s because of “mental illness” .

      • Kandy

        You must be one of those Anti-God, Anti-Christian and Anti-Prayer ” Atheist” who love to put us down because we will Pray for these people………………………………………..

  • afchief

    What Islam Isn’t

    By Dr. Peter Hammond
    FrontPageMagazine. com | Monday, April 21, 2008

    The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammonds book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat: Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components. Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called religious rights.

    When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to the reasonable Muslim demands for their religious rights, they also get the other components under the table. Heres how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

    As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

    United States Muslim 1.0%
    Australia Muslim 1.5%
    Canada Muslim 1.9%
    China Muslim 1%-2%
    Italy Muslim 1.5%
    Norway Muslim 1.8%

    At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

    Denmark Muslim 2%
    Germany Muslim 3.7%
    United Kingdom Muslim 2.7%
    Spain Muslim 4%
    Thailand Muslim 4.6%

    From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

    They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).

    France Muslim 8%
    Philippines Muslim 5%
    Sweden Muslim 5%
    Switzerland Muslim 4.3%
    The Netherlands Muslim 5.5%
    Trinidad &Tobago Muslim 5.8%

    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

    When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam Mohammed cartoons).

    Guyana Muslim 10%
    India Muslim 13.4%
    Israel Muslim 16%
    Kenya Muslim 10%
    Russia Muslim 10-15%

    After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

    Ethiopia Muslim 32.8%

    At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

    Bosnia Muslim 40%
    Chad Muslim 53.1%
    Lebanon Muslim 59.7%

    From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

    Albania Muslim 70%
    Malaysia Muslim 60.4%
    Qatar Muslim 77.5%
    Sudan Muslim 70%

    After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

    Bangladesh Muslim 83%
    Egypt Muslim 90%
    Gaza Muslim 98.7%
    Indonesia Muslim 86.1%
    Iran Muslim 98%
    Iraq Muslim 97%
    Jordan Muslim 92%
    Morocco Muslim 98.7%
    Pakistan Muslim 97%
    Palestine Muslim 99%
    Syria Muslim 90%
    Tajikistan Muslim 90%
    Turkey Muslim 99.8%
    United Arab Emirates Muslim 96%

    100% will usher in the peace of Dar-es-Salaam the Islamic House of Peace theres supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

    Afghanistan Muslim 100%
    Saudi Arabia Muslim 100%
    Somalia Muslim 100%
    Yemen Muslim 99.9%

    Of course, thats not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

    Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. Leon Uris, The Haj

    It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

    Final thought.

    In the Bible, God prophesied that Ishmael and his descendants would be wild and fight with everyone. This prediction has held true throughout history. Will the world ever have peace with Ishmael? Will Ishmael even find peace himself? Deep down, dont we all want the same things (love, peace, acceptance)? I wonder how much longer we will have to wait before real peace comes to humanity.