Atheist Activist Group Wants Florida Football Coach Fired for Sharing Christ With Students

Brown-compressedPANAMA CITY, Fla. — A prominent professing atheist group is calling for the termination of a Florida football coach for sharing Christ with students on his football team.

The Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation (FFRF) sent a letter on Tuesday to Bay District Schools Superintendent Bill Husfelt to complain about Mosley High School football coach Jeremy Brown, who was recently featured in a news report called “Mosley Coach and Students Talk God and the Gridiron.”

“It’s got to be sharing Christ with kids,” Brown told WJHG-TV. “It’s got to be creating an environment where they can be successful. I’m in the business of earning crowns and not rings. If every kid on our football team is saved, then I’ve been successful as a coach.”

Team members also shared during the segment how Brown helps them remember that life is about more than football.

“Well, I never really had a coach tell me about Christ or anything like that,” player Ben Raybon told the outlet. “We pray every day before and after practice so he helped me kind of get closer to Christ and give the glory to Him.”

But FFRF asserts that the Constitution bans public school coaches like Brown from sharing his faith with students.

“School staff, including coaches, may not promote their personal religious views to students, who are a vulnerable, captive audience, with no choice but to listen to Brown’s religious ramblings,” staff attorney Andrew Seidel wrote to Superintendent Husfelt.

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He then called for Brown to be fired, “or at the very least” sanctioned and monitored.

“Coach Brown has knowingly and willfully abused the power of his public office to try and convert other people’s children to his religion,” he said. “He is not fit to work in a public school system.”

FFRF has sent letters to the district in the past to complain about allowing Christianity to be encouraged on campus, including permitting Gideons International to distribute Bibles and allegedly inviting local pastors to share Christ with students.

Bay District Schools ignored the letters received from the group in the past. It is not known whether it plans to respond to FFRF’s latest correspondence.

“Practical truths in religion, in morals, and in all civil and social concerns ought to be among the first and most prominent objects of instruction,” Noah Webster, who penned the nation’s first dictionary, wrote in 1839. “Without a competent knowledge of legal and social rights and duties, persons are often liable to suffer in property or reputation, by neglect or mistakes.”

“Without religious and moral principles deeply impressed on the mind, and controlling the whole conduct, science and literature will not make men what the laws of God require them to be,” he continued. “And without both kinds of knowledge, citizens cannot enjoy the blessings which they seek, and which a strict conformity to rules of duty will enable them to obtain.”


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  • Josey

    With the problems this country faces, a coach sharing Christ with young people is an issue? What a crock! He is attempting to make young people better people in teaching them some morals and in praying for them, at least these kids are not out rioting and disrespecting others which is becoming a norm in America and these kids are not out to kill those who do not believe as they do. You can preach the gospel and yet no one can be forced to believe because it is a matter of the heart between God and individuals. I think the Coach ought to be recommended for an award in that he’s teaching these young people some morals that can only be good for our Country. Atheist promote and try to force the belief that since there is no God and we came from a tadpole or monkey each person can do what it is they please since their is no accountability to God, that is what they preach which is offensive in and of itself. FFRF are a bunch of hypocrites and shall get their just reward when Christ returns.

    • gizmo23

      What if some of his students are Jewish? What if a math teacher wants to share his belief in pagan worship or any other faith?

      • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

        The ones having problems with this coach are the Anti-Christian groups and other Atheists. Not the Students.

        • gizmo23

          How about their parents?

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Not sure how they feel. If they will defend this we will find out.

          • wandakate

            IT’S THEIR KIDS, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE. IT’S NOT UP TO US, IT’S UP TO THEM.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Did I say it was up to me? I know it is their “KIDS!!!” And I know it is up to “THEM!!!”

        • gizmo23

          Does religious freedom mean anything to you?

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            It means so much more to me than it does you 🙂

            In Jesus and in His Name Shalom < 🙂

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Only if it is their religion.

          • afchief

            Have you been able to understand the 1st amendment yet? Most liberal/atheists can’t read and comprehend simple words!!!!

          • gizmo23

            So what you are saying is that in my class of 12 year olds at a public school I can teach any religious ideas I want ?

          • afchief

            If it is mutual between you and the students so be it. That is what this coach did here.

      • Josey

        I already said in my comment his praying or teaching about God can’t be forced on anyone for God gives each person a choice and I am not getting into the crazy politics about what others share as far as pagan or whatever. What this coach is doing is teaching morals and praying for students who want it, that is a blessing to this Nation and to these young ppl who understand it as such. Those who do not want to participate don’t have to.

        • Ralf Spoilsport

          The coach is violating the religious rights of the students and their parents — PARENTS get to decide what kind of religious instruction their own children receive, NOT some school coach.

          • wandakate

            IF for some reason the parents don’t like it, they need to take up that issue, as it’s NOT anybody else’s business.
            Why worry about it at all.
            There is a bumper sticker and it said…WE DON’T CARE HOW THEY DO IT IN WISCONSIN!!!!!
            Let each state take care of their own, and each school’s parents do the same.

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            IF for some reason the parents don’t like it, they need to take up that issue, as it’s NOT anybody else’s business.

            Wrong. Public school employees violating the rights of students are everyone’s business.

          • wandakate

            The I would suggest that YOU go right on down there and get this whole matter taken care of asap.

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            The FFRF is doing that.

        • gizmo23

          The problem is is he going to view students that don’t join in a different way? Certainly we do that in our lives to some extent. He is preaching to a captive audience and that is the problem. You could say the same thing about any other teacher.
          What if your boss met with employees and did the same thing?

          • afchief

            Oh please! What a bunch of political correct garbage. I might get my feelings hurt…..waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

          • gizmo23

            Why do you hate people so much?

          • afchief

            Why do you hate Christians so much? And why do you frequent Christians websites?

          • gizmo23

            I don’t hate Christians. I just don’t want daith and government mixed. Do you really want the state to determine your faith?

          • afchief

            Come on man! You cannot be this ignorant!!! How is a football coach sharing his faith with students establishing a religion?

            We have been over this. The 1st amendment states no such thing!!! ONLY congress can establish a religion and they are forbidden to do so.

          • gizmo23

            No point to continue this

          • afchief

            Then stop lying to Christians on Christian web sites that there is “separation of church and state” in the Constitution. That is a boldface lie!!!

            IT DOES NOT EXIST!!!

          • gizmo23

            I’ve never said that bye

          • afchief

            You sure have!!!

          • Hardworker50

            Say it LOUDER, and LOUDER; and REPEAT IT AND REPEAT IT UNTIL IT BECOMES TRUE. LALALALALA!

          • afchief

            Liberals are liars. It’s your defining characteristic!

          • acontraryview

            It is established in court decisions interpreting the constitution. it does not have to be in the constitution itself.

          • afchief

            LOL!!!!! “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

            Waiting for you to show me how this coach or school = Congress

            LOL!!!!!

            Waiting…………………………………………………………

          • acontraryview

            You’ll be waiting a long time. Clearly neither this coach nor his school is Congress. Also clearly, that is irrelevant to the legal question. Judicial rulings have clearly established that public school employees may not, as part of their job, promote religious beliefs.

          • afchief

            Ahhh yes, more proof that liberalism and homosexuality truly is a mental disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Silly liberal establishment doesn’t trump free exercise. The coach and every kid in that school has the right to freely pray if they so desire. Free exercise cannot be inhibited by lawyers or judges. If it is restricted, it is not “free” exercise. Technically only Congress can take away the right to pray, and they are expressly forbidden to do so.

            Saying a prayer after a football game does not establish a religion. Only Congress can do that…but they can’t. The coach and the players are engaging in “free exercise.” If Congress can’t establish a religion, how can a school or a measly old coach establish one? There is no separation between the church and the state. They just tell us that there is and then they use that to dredge our children through the cesspool of secular humanism

            Free exercise means free exercise. The coach can pray or not pray. The same is true with every one of his players. Free exercise! Not ACLU enforced “disestablishment” of Christianity.

            Again, go get a book and educate yourself. Because right now you look dumber than a box of rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • acontraryview

            “The coach and every kid in that school has the right to freely pray if they so desire.”

            Within certain bounds, yes.

            “Free exercise cannot be inhibited by lawyers or judges. If it is restricted, it is not “free” exercise.”

            There are numerous restrictions on religious expression. All quite legal. You are mistaken.

            “Technically only Congress can take away the right to pray, and they are expressly forbidden to do so.”

            Since they are forbidden from doing so, they can’t take away the right to pray, technically or otherwise. Your statement is nonsensical.

            “There is no separation between the church and the state.”

            That is clearly false.

            “The coach can pray or not pray. The same is true with every one of his players.”

            Within certain boundaries.

            “Again, go get a book and educate yourself.”

            Given your complete lack of understanding about our laws, I would suggest that you would be the one who would benefit from further education.

          • afchief

            “Within certain bounds, yes.”

            PROVE IT!

            “There are numerous restrictions on religious expression. All quite legal. You are mistaken.”

            Show me where in the Constitution.

            “Since they are forbidden from doing so, they can’t take away the right to pray, technically or otherwise. Your statement is nonsensical.”

            You just proved my point!!!

            There is no separation between the church and the state.”

            That is clearly false.

            PROVE IT!!!

            “Within certain boundaries.”

            PROVE IT and tell what law he is breaking.

            “Given your complete lack of understanding about our laws, I would suggest that you would be the one who would benefit from further education.”

            Show where in the Constitution this man is breaking the law.

            Waiting……………………………………

          • acontraryview

            “PROVE IT!”

            What exactly is it you would like proof of? That there are boundaries to prayer in public school? That a public school employee is not allowed to preach to students on school property during school time? That a student is not allowed to stand up in the middle of a class and start preaching? That the principal is not allowed to start each day over the loudspeaker reciting a prayer?

            “Show me where in the Constitution.”

            Oh my. You don’t even seem to know what the Constitution is or contains. Truly unfortunate. The Constitution does not contain laws. The Constitution provides a basis for the legal code.

            “You just proved my point!!!”

            Your point was nonsensical. If Congress is forbidden from passing laws which disallow religious expression, then your statement: “Technically only Congress can take away the right to pray,” is false, as Congress cannot do that.

            “PROVE IT!!!”

            Remove the spaces: https:// en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States

            “PROVE IT and tell what law he is breaking.”

            He is not violating a law. He is in violation of a SCOTUS ruling regarding the activities of public school employees. For example, the court has ruled that states may not have a religious test for public office. There is no “law” which specifically addresses that, as it is not a criminal or civil violation. It is a Constitutional violation. Not everything that is prohibited has a specific law which prohibits it. Another example would be interracial marriage. There is no law which specifically says that it is illegal to refuse to issue a marriage license to an interracial couple. That does not mean, however, that it would be legal to refuse a marriage license to an interracial couple.

            “Show where in the Constitution this man is breaking the law.”

            Again, the Constitution does not contain laws. The Constitution provides a basis for laws.

          • afchief

            WOW! More proof that liberalism and homosexuality truly is a mental disorder!!!! The Constitution does not contain laws? It’s not the law of our land? Your posts are proof that liberalism and ISLAM are pretty much one and the same. Both will use any means, whether it be lying, cheating, stealing, murdering, fill in the blank, to further their political ambition.

            The right to pray is unalienable. The First Amendment calls it “free exercise.” The God-haters (you) like to point us to the “establishment clause”, but “establishment” and “free exercise” are connected by “or”. Sort of like love and marriage used to “go together like a horse and carriage” you can’t have one without the other. You still remember when marriage was marriage, don’t you?

            The courts and their legal miscreants have separated the terms. Establishment doesn’t trump free exercise. The coach and every kid in that school has the right to freely pray if they so desire. Free exercise cannot be inhibited by lawyers or judges. If it is restricted, it is not “free” exercise. Technically only Congress can take away the right to pray, and they are expressly forbidden to do so. In case you’re interested, here is the pertinent section of the First Amendment:

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

            Saying a prayer after a football game does not establish a religion. Only Congress can do that…but they can’t. The coach and the players are engaging in “free exercise.” If Congress can’t establish a religion, how can a school or a measly old coach establish one?

            Only in America, with our un-Godly, un-righteous courts, could such a charade have been foisted upon us. There is no separation between the church and the state. They just tell us that there is and then they use that to dredge our children through the cesspool of secular humanism.

            Free exercise means free exercise. The coach can pray or not pray. The same is true with every one of his players. Free exercise! Not ACLU enforced “disestablishment” of Christianity.

          • acontraryview

            “The Constitution does not contain laws?”

            No, it does not. If you disagree, please cite one law that is contained in the Constitution. Laws are contained in Federal, State, County, and City legal codes.

            “If it is restricted, it is not “free” exercise.”

            There are any number of restrictions on the manner in which citizens are allowed to express their religious belief. All quite legal and Constitutional. The Constitution also contains a right for citizens to bear arms. That does not mean that you are free to purchase a nuclear weapon. All rights come with limitations.

            I’m beginning to think that your posts are simply a charade. I find it difficult to believe that a person could be so horribly unaware of our Constitution, laws, and judiciary. Were you educated in the US?

          • afchief

            OMG I’m done!!! I’m done dealing with stupidity. And that is exactly what this is…………..STUPIDITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • acontraryview

            i certainly understand. You were looking pretty stupid.

          • Hardworker50

            First, like the sheriffs, he is using a position of power to influence – but we all can see that!!
            This is NOT ‘sharing’, it is indoctrination of children!
            The Constitution does imply that there is
            to be no government in religion, and by that same implication that there will be NO religion in government.
            But we have discussed this!

          • afchief

            It’s quite obvious liberals cannot read and comprehend!!!! Tell me where in the 1st amendment it says a public school can make a law regarding a religion?

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

            Waiting………………………………….

          • Hardworker50

            You must be troll – nobody could say something that stupid.
            Who said the school made a law?
            The school, a public institution, under the Constitution is not permitted to allow a religion; that is what the reading means, and that is what the coach was doing.
            The coach represented the school whch represents the Constitution, and the Constitution says NO laws. Thus the school is not allowed to represent a religion.
            So, no religion is allowed in a state school under the Constitution as that would show state approval of a religion which the Constitution says it cannot do.
            (we all know what your reply will be)

          • afchief

            Show me WHERE in the Constitution it states the coach can not pray with his players. The right to pray is unalienable. The First Amendment calls it “free exercise.” The God-haters (you) like to point us to the “establishment clause”, but “establishment” and “free exercise” are connected by “or”. Sort of like love and marriage used to “go together like a horse and carriage” you can’t have one without the other. You still remember when marriage was marriage, don’t you?

            Saying a prayer after a football game does not establish a religion. Only Congress can do that…but they can’t. This coach and the players are engaging in “free exercise.” If Congress can’t establish a religion, how can a school or a measly old coach establish one?

            Waiting……………………………………

          • Hardworker50

            You are too stupid to talk to; you have convinced yourself of a lie so you can continue buggering up other people’s rights just for your selfish religious privilege/opinion.
            It has been explained sufficiently for a basic half wit.

          • afchief

            Waiting…………………………………….

        • acontraryview

          “I already said in my comment his praying or teaching about God can’t be forced on anyone”

          Since attendance is mandatory for these students, you are mistaken that teaching about God can’t be forced on anyone.

          “What this coach is doing is teaching morals and praying for students who want it”

          How do you know that every one of these kids “want it”? Have you spoken to each of them?

          “Those who do not want to participate don’t have to.”

          So you are saying that kids should have to chose between playing football and being preached to, or not playing football, is that correct?

          • Josey

            No where does it state they have to participate or choose to listen to the coach or not play in the game, that is your own assumption and how do you know they don’t want prayer or to be taught these things, have you talked to them?

          • Hardworker50

            Don’t be so goddamned childish! That sort of logic works only on your own kind.

          • acontraryview

            “No where does it state they have to participate or choose to listen to the coach or not play in the game”

            From the article: “We pray every day before and after practice so he helped me kind of get closer to Christ and give the glory to Him.”

            Do you think students are simply allowed to not show up prior to practice and leave immediately when practice is over?

            “and how do you know they don’t want prayer or to be taught these things”

            I never said they didn’t. You were the one who suggested that you knew what every student wanted. So I’ll ask again: How do you know that every one of these kids “want it”? Have you spoken to each of them?

    • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

      Can you imagine the reward this coach will receive from God? What a day that will be. No telling how many of these students he will see in heaven And can you imagine the look on the faces of the FFRF group as they see Christ the one they rejected.And see that they were wrong about God. The shame they will feel knowing that they dragged others down with them. And knowing what they could have had.

      • Ralf Spoilsport

        Can you imagine the reward this coach will receive from God?

        What if the Jews are right, and this coach has been leading students into idolatry?

        • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

          In the Name of my Lord and Savior Yeshua * Shalom *<

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            Idolatry from Judaism’s point of view. If the Jews are right, Jesus was just an ordinary human, and worshipping him as god incarnate is idolatry.

            So what kind of reward would this coach get for leading students into idolatry?

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            You can not use the Jews against me. But you can try 🙂 Their God is the God I serve. Their Messiah “Yeshua”. is the one I serve.

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            You are ignorant about Judaism — they consider worshipping Jesus as idolatry.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            NOT as ignorant as you want to believe.

            Shalom < 🙂

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            You’re ignorant enough to not know that worshipping a human is idolatry under Judaism.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            There is something “YOU” do not understand.
            Shalom <

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            Now you’re just babbling instead of addressing the problem. What if the coach’s religion is wrong and he’s leading students into hell? You have no answer except to stamp your feet and insist your religion is the right one. You can’t even imagine being wrong.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            What if “you” are wrong? What if “‘you are the one who would lead others to (HE double hokey stick?) What if “you” are wrong about “me” and what I believe??

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            What if “you” are wrong?

            Again, you dodge the question. What if the coach is wrong and he’s leading students into hell?

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            NO. What if “you” Are are wrong about their Messiah? One day He will not only set up His Kingdom but He will save the very one who rejected Him. On that day they will receive everything they have waited so long for. Their Messiah. Their King. The one Yahweh Promised them so long ago. The Old Test said how they would reject Him.
            Shalom <

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            NO. What if “you”

            Keep dodging. You will never answer my question because you know you can’t.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            What if one day you take your last breath and you find out you were wrong. You think you are winning your great “WHAT IF” (((((((GAME)))))))

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            Typical dishonest Christian who has no respect for other people’s religious rights.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Only God can help you.

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            Typical dishonest Christian.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Coming from a hate filled Atheist.

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            I’m not hate-filled, that’s another dishonest stereotype from you. Do you also say Jews are cheap?

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            You are a liar. I can not have anything against God’s Chosen People. You are a Cheap shot. Jews are not. You love to try to use God’s Chosen against Christians. So tell me are you an Atheist or are you a Hebrew?

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            Sorry, you’re an idiot; you don’t even know what a rhetorical question is. Keep showing people how you are against religious freedom and prefer it when a government employee tells other people’s children what god to worship.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Are you a Jew?

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            Just keep showing people how you want the government to tell people what god to worship.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            You are disrespectful to the God of Israel. The God I believe in. You can have your ((((god))) with a little g. No one is taking that away from you. Just as you can not take God away from me.
            Shalom <

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            You are disrespectful to the God of Israel.

            Gods are myths.

            Keep showing people how you want government employees to tell people what religion to follow. It shows how you hate religious freedom.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Great work – your Thanksgiving meal kicked in nicely! He did not answer the question, did he?

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            No he didn’t answer.

          • wandakate

            I wasn’t aware that the government worships ANY GOD!!! The god of satan, the god of politics, the god of money…what GOD do they worship there?

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            I wasn’t aware that the government worships ANY GOD!!!

            When a public school coach tells players that they ought to worship his god, he’s a government employee and he represents the government — so that’s a case of the government telling people what god to worship, the opposite of religious freedom.

          • wandakate

            Personally with all my years here and grey hairs, I think you are both so childish to keep playing this foolish “GAME”. Going round and round on the computer with each other.
            Don’t either of you have anything better to do than play this stupid game? I would think you would. Being as neither of you are doing anybody any service.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Thank you for your kindness.

          • wandakate

            The Coach isn’t “wrong”, but IF he was wrong, then he alone will have to account to GOD for that mistake. He is NOT intentionally telling anything to those boys that isn’t true or that he doesn’t believe. He’s not purposely trying to lead them astray. He generally cares for them, otherwise he wouldn’t be telling them about JESUS in the first place. Only people who “care” about you will tell you the real story-which is the truth.

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            The Coach isn’t “wrong”,

            you don’t understand what “what if” means.

          • George T

            wandakate: That’s not his job.

          • wandakate

            I don’t agree that the coach is wrong, if he is talking about JESUS, as JESUS is the only way to GOD the FATHER. He said, “I am the way, the truth and the life, and NO MAN will come to the FATHER but by me.”
            JESUS CHRIST is the “only” way to the FATHER GOD.
            There was “only” one GOD, there are no more gods except for satan the god of this evil world, and of course the almighty dollar which is our money. Some worship satan and some worship money, some worship both.

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            I don’t agree that the coach is wrong

            It doesn’t matter — the coach does NOT have the authority to teach religion to other people’s children. You have no respect for religious freedom.

          • wandakate

            Okay, and YOU are NOT getting the bottom line, or the point of the matter from my perspective.
            I am saying it’s not “our” business…IF those parents have an issue with it then they are the ones to deal directly with that issue, it’s not our business to be the watchman on the wall to the boys on a football team down in Florida…Do you see my point? It’s up to them to bring the issue before the COACH and the board of directions at their school.
            We should have enough concerns just keeping out own lives in order.

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            Okay, and YOU are NOT getting the bottom line, or the point of the matter from my perspective.I am saying it’s not “our” business..

            Stopping government employees from violating the constitution IS our business. You can ignore it if you want — I (and the FFRF) will not.

          • wandakate

            YOU and the FFRF are such a small group, what good will it do? There are thousands of Christian parents, there are churches ALL over Florida, and that area where they are…If they want to take care of this, they will. Otherwise as I just wrote to you, GO ahead and get on the next flight out to Florida and take it up yourself. I am done discussing this with you. There is no end to it.

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            YOU and the FFRF are such a small group, what good will it do? There are thousands of Christian parents, there are churches ALL over Florida, and that area where they are.

            When the constitution is on your side, you win. The article above has a link to a copy of the FFRF’s letter, and that letter cites over a dozen court decisions against public school employees pushing religion on students.

          • George T

            wandakate: I don’t see any reason to believe in a god. If I were a teacher I wouldn’t tell students that, because it’s not my job. My job would be teaching them a standard curriculum and keeping them safe while attending school. I would trust that their parents have plans for spiritual education at any of the tax free organizations dedicated to the subject.

          • wandakate

            Would you tell us please what it is that he doesn’t understand?

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            I am not responding to you.

          • ppp777

            That is true with Christianity too .

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            Yes, but Christianity doesn’t consider Jesus to be an ordinary human, while Judaism does.

          • wandakate

            To them, JESUS-YESHUA was just an average man but WAS NOT the SON of GOD…They are praying to GOD in Heaven YAHWEH. They are confused here somewhere about what the Jews actually believe. They go to the wailing wall to pray to YAHWED-GOD the FATHER. They do not believe the JESUS was His son that came. He was not their Messiah, they are in fact still looking for their Messiah to come.

          • wandakate

            That is what I have just been trying to explain to them. YESHUA was JESUS and most Jewish people “DO NOT” worship Him.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            What a coincidence – I serve Yeshua too! 🙂 Is that not awesome that our Savior is a Jew?!?

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Amen.Yes it is awesome!

          • wandakate

            YES, JESUS was a JEW, amen, however JESUS was YESHUA, and GOD the FATHER was YAHWEH. Most of the Jews over there or anywhere don’t believe in YESHUA-JESUS.
            Only the people that are called “Jews for JESUS”, believe that JESUS-YESHUA is the son of GOD.

          • wandakate

            Hold on a second…Most Jews are not believers in JESUS (who is YESHUA). They only worship GOD who is YAHWEH. They just believe JESUS was a good man, not the son of GOD. So you’re saying their GOD is the GOD you serve, which is fine, but their Messiah isn’t YESHUA-JESUS. So, I’m not understanding what you’re trying to get across here.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Amen!

        • George T

          By Crom!!!

      • ppp777

        Well put .

      • wandakate

        How right you are. We are to be “set apart”. We are to do what we can where we are. I believe an elderly person can make a difference in a person’s life, or even a child. This coach is on the right road, PTL for that. He’s not harming a fly. GOD gives us crowns and rewards. He said in the last part of Revelation, “I am coming soon, and my REWARD is with me to give to each according to his “WORK” shall be. This is part of the Coach’s WORK. Our faith without our work is dead. JESUS said, “Not all to say to me on that day, LORD, LORD, will enter the kingdom of GOD, but only the ones who do the will of the FATHER”. And He also reminded us…”IF you love me, keep my commandments”. We were told to go and preach the gospel to the world and after that the end would come (the end of the age) that is.
        It’s up to the parents as of what to do with this situation, and I don’t see where he’s causing any problem. He’s doing what he’s been called to do…Better to be on that road than the road that the liberal world is on (that wide road).

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Nice work, LBF!

      • George T

        LadyFreeBird In God I Trust: A life wasted genuflecting to an imaginary tyrant.

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      If a coach would share Allah with young people, it would be an issue for you people. The coach promotes and forces his believes to these young people.

      • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

        What if you were raising a hypothetical situation to justify real discrimination against this coach?

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          That coach can pray as much as he wants, but forcing his religion at young people is wrong.

        • acontraryview

          What discrimination? For there to be discrimination against this coach, the school would have to be allowing employees of other faiths to share their faith, while disallowing the coach from sharing his. Is that what is happening at the school? If not, it is not a case of discrimination.

          • wandakate

            Basically if people DO NOT like what is being taught at a “public school”, they can withdraw their children and either put them in a private school, a Christian school of their choice or they can have them tutored or homeschooled. It’s the choices of those parents, not the school. If people want their kids in public schools then they get what is there.

          • acontraryview

            “If people want their kids in public schools then they get what is there.”

            As regards this situation, you are mistaken. There are clear guidelines regarding public school employees sharing religious belief with students.

    • best9rfan

      We will all be accountable to God someday. When that someday is, no one knows. Sadly, the majority of the population will be sent to a lake of fire. Few will go to heaven for eternity.

    • wandakate

      You can “rest assured” they will receive their just punishments…there isn’t going to be any “rewards” for these lost souls, only regrets.
      JESUS said, I am the way, the truth and the light, and no man will come to the FATHER, except by me.
      They the FFRF need to mind their business up in Wisconsin ( I think that’s where they are). What people down in Florida do is none of their business.
      The coach isn’t doing any harm. If the parents there don’t like what his message is, and they are upset by his prayers with the team etc. then it’s the parent’s job to do something about it, not them.
      “Vengeance is mine, said the LORD, and I will repay”…

      • Hardworker50

        Oh , you want to talk about truth now?!
        Good, do so, and bring facts and data, undeniable, verifiable, undoubtable evidence according to the rules of court and debate about your claim that there is a god.
        No hearsay quotations or spurious commentaries, ie no ‘holy’ books!
        No proof = no god!

    • Hardworker50

      I teach morality and ethics without ever using any religion.
      These all existed before Judeo, and certainly before Christianity.
      Look at other continents – they too have proper mores of behaviour.
      Next, try to understand evolution before you cut into it.
      If you want to debate an issue, you had best be knowledgeable first.
      Finally, as you wish to bring a god into the debate, then you are required to provide the actual proof that your claim is real.

    • George T

      Josey: He’s paid to coach, not preach. If he wants to preach he’s free to work at a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or any other religious organization he likes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chuck.anziulewicz Chuck Anziulewicz

    When one of your kids comes back from school to tell you how interested he is in Islam ever since one of his Muslim teachers shared some of the wisdom of the Quran with him, I’m sure you’ll be happy about how “religious freedom” cuts both ways.

    • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

      Actually kids come home and say how interested they are in Evolution ever since one of their Atheist teachers shared some of the wisdom of the Evolution with them, and we must be happy because that’s how “religious freedom” cuts one way only.

      • acontraryview

        What is you basis for saying that only Atheists believe in the theory of evolution?

  • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

    I really like this Coach.May God Bless and Protect this coach and his students from all Atheist and their Anti-Christian groups. May these Anti-Christian groups that try to bring harm to this coach through evil. Receive what they try to send. May all attempts to get this coach fired fail.

    • gizmo23

      Would you think the same way if you didn’t like his faith? I doubt you would support him

      • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

        I love God and I love His Son. And I love this Coach 🙂

        • gizmo23

          What if he were Hindu?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Or a Muslim?

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Well…………………………………………..
            He’s not……

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            And not answering the question as always.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            I said he is not. therefore I answer you. Go back and read what I said to you. ( Well………………….. He’s not……………..) Is what I write. You just did not read what I wrote ((((As always)))).

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Still not an answer to my question. What if he was of any other religion, would it have been a issue then?

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            I tried to tell you one day . I will no longer respond to you. Maybe you failed to read it.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So it would be an issue for christians. Then try to understand that it would be an issue for parents who doesn’t share your religion.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Sigh.Shakes Head…………………..

          • gizmo23

            Sorry, I live in the USA and we have a constitution.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Are you saying your sorry that you live in America. Where Christians are free to believe in God? The Constitution give the freedom to believe. It also Protects Christians from a Government forced Religion. .

          • gizmo23

            I’m glad I live here. A public school teacher preaching is forcing a government religion on someone

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            If they are able to walk away. Than he is NOT FORCING them. If he is holding them hostage at gun point than it would be forcing. They are free to walk away or free to stay. You want to remove that freedom. But by doing so you could also lose freedom. You take one freedom away you also lose in the end.
            Shalom <

          • gizmo23

            No one is taking away his. He just can’t do it during school time.

          • Oboehner

            Unless he’s preaching the atheistic evolutionism religion, that’s ok.

          • http://www.facebook.com/chuck.anziulewicz Chuck Anziulewicz

            Evolution is not religion. Evolution is reality. It was theorized, and an incalculable amount of scientific research has proven it.

          • Oboehner

            Nope, no proof, no definite evidence – only believed, speculated, and lied about. The only thing incalculable is the BS surrounding it.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            To each his own

  • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

    The Atheist sure do love the great. “WHAT IF” (((((((((((((game)))))))))))))))

    • Ralf Spoilsport

      And the Christian sure hates having to imagine being wrong. You can’t even do it.

      • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

        What if” IF I AM” wrong what have I really lost? But what” IF I AM” right what have you really lost??

        • Ralf Spoilsport

          What if” IF I AM” wrong what have I really lost?

          You spend eternity in some other religion’s hell.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Sigh. Only God can help you.

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            No, you’ve got the wrong one — you’re going to the real god’s hell.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            I’ll find out upon my death if I am right or if you are wrong. We both will.

    • Nidalap

      Yeppity-yep! And they love speaking on behalf of all the parents who aren’t complaining at all! Aren’t they ever-so-kind to do that all unasked? 🙂

      • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

        🙂

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        They like to call it “tolerance.” 🙂

        Happy Day After Thanksgiving, Nidalap!

        • Nidalap

          Thanx muchly! And a very happy, yet slightly gothic sounding Black Friday to you as well! 🙂

        • Basset_Hound

          I’m tempted to ask you if you know of a web site where I can find instructions on how to build an ark.

          • Nidalap

            If you Google it, several pages pop up! 🙂

          • Basset_Hound

            I dumped almost seven inches of rainwater out of a bucket on my backyard before noon. We’re not done yet. I thank God we’re staying above freezing.

          • Nidalap

            Don’t you worry about a thing! The world won’t be destroyed by water again. Your particular fragment of Earth, however… (^_^)

          • wandakate

            FIRE is what’s coming, and no not water this time…JESUS is just tolerating these evil people, but will come when it’s His time and I hope we’re ready for it.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I think I got it. Is that your alternative to “Beam me up, Scotty?!?” 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Beam me up, Scotty!

          • wandakate

            When you build it, PLEASE let me know and I’ll let the people I know know about it and we can all be in there safe and sound, b/c this world has gone CRAZYC!!!

      • wandakate

        Precisely…it’s the parents responsibility and NOT anybody else’s. IF they don’t like this then let them go and confront it. So far, apparently that isn’t happening so butt out (so to speak).

  • acontraryview

    It’s surprising that this type of thing still goes on in public schools. The school should make it very clear to this coach that preaching to students is not allowed.

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      Something like that isn’t happening here in public schools.

      • acontraryview

        I don’t understand your post. Where is “here”?

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          Somewhere in Europe. 😉

  • bowie1

    Perhaps the FFRF people should be thrown into jail for violating the coach’s constitutional rights.

    • Ralf Spoilsport

      They aren’t violating his rights at all. The coach is violating the rights of students and their parents, as only parents decide what religion to teach their students, not some school coach.

      • bowie1

        It says he is SHARING not imposing his faith – there is a difference. If someone shared with my their beliefs, or lack thereof that would be fine with me, since I can always stick with my own beliefs if I am not convinced of his or her point of view.

        • Ralf Spoilsport

          It says he is SHARING not imposing his faith

          That doesn’t matter — government employees like school coaches do NOT have the authority to teach other people’s children what god to worship. That is the right of the PARENTS.

          WHY do you want the government to tell people what god to worship?

          • bowie1

            This is not what the coach is doing any more than someone telling a nice little story of their own life’s adventures. The students can listen or they can move along to their own hobby or catching up on homework.

          • Ralf Spoilsport

            It’s still illegal for a public school coach to “share Christ with kids” when he’s acting as the school’s coach.

        • http://www.facebook.com/chuck.anziulewicz Chuck Anziulewicz

          Sorry, but proselytizing on school property, on school time, by school employees? Unconstitutional.

          • bowie1

            Isn’t that what teachers are doing – proselytizing in the school’s own curriculum?

          • acontraryview

            Proselytizing: “convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another.”

            No, teaching a secular curriculum is not proselytizing.

          • Oboehner

            Unless it’s your religion, right? Evolutionism is a religion.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            If you don’t want your kids to learn about evolution, put them in a christian school. Religion has no place in a public school.

          • wandakate

            WHAT? Evolution isn’t taught in a Christian school…I am a retired teacher and taught at Church schools and had a private daycare for many years, teaching dozens of students, and I never ever taught about evolution.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Well sorry to say this to a teacher. I didn’t say that evolution was teached in Christian schools. Try to read my comment again.

          • wandakate

            I just did, and am so sorry…I didn’t have my glasses on, forgive me. YOU are so right…apology here. It’s too bad that GOD is taken out of the public schools, but JESUS said it would come to this.

          • Oboehner

            Evolutionism is a religion, yet that’s ok right? Religion has no place in a public school.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Can you proof that it is a religion? As far as I know, the apes didn’t worship any god. The first humans didn’t either. So explain how you came to the conclusion that evolution is a religion? We who do believe in evolution don’t pray to anything, tbat would be rediculous.

          • Oboehner

            Webster’s Dictionary lists a religion as belief held with “ardor and faith”. That fits perfectly – no gods, no praying, just blind faith.
            By bringing the beliefs of others into the discussion demonstrates you have nothing more than the blind faith in evolutionism.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            The difference between your religion and my ‘religion’ if you want to call it that. Evolution is proven, I still have to see any proof that your God, Christ excisted. And I’m not talking about a book written by people who claim that your Christ was real. Your religion is all about blind faith. I see a lot of proof about evolution in museums and such, no physical proof of your Christ.

          • Oboehner

            *existed*
            My beliefs are not taught at taxpayer expense in government schools, poking around at my beliefs does not prove yours, so you can lay that to rest.

            That said, Evolutionism has never and will never be proven. I still have as of yet seen any proof that anything ever “evolved”
            into another species, and I’m not talking about minor adaptations within a
            species. Your religion is all about blind faith, I see a lot of guessing,
            speculation, and faith about evolutionism in museums and such, no physical
            proof of your “billions of years”.

          • Hardworker50

            No, it isn’t – it is a law of physics, chemistry ie science.

          • Oboehner

            Nope, there is NO proof, No conclusive evidence, only faith and conjecture with a spoonful of lies and fraud.

          • Hardworker50

            You are of course refering to religion as the one with NO proof. You do not want to get into an intelligent conversation comparing stories and sources.

          • Oboehner

            Yes, evolutionism, and there is no intelligent conversation to be had on the subject. One doesn’t need to compare sources, evolutionism “speaks” for itself.

          • Hardworker50

            Ah yes, I see; just because you cannot or will not try to understand a high school level science subject, you instead denigrate something simple as it disagrees with your own fantasies.
            You are not ignorant – as ignorance is only a lack of knowledge; whereas stupidity is ignoring or denying the facts of knowledge.

          • Oboehner

            Ahhh yes the typical evolutionist comeback, appeal to authority arguments and ad hominem attacks. When that becomes a “scientific” method, I’ll but the science thing. Until then don’t bore me with you fantasies of “billions of years”. I won’t bother to ask if you have specific proof of your religion as I know you don’t.

          • Hardworker50

            No, that was not an ad hominem attack if you knew the definition. It was a simple observation of a refusal to read and at least understand the scientific concepts.

            Here is an ad hominem attack: you are not capable of understanding simple science – too stupid!

          • Oboehner

            Sorry, there is no science to understand when it comes to evolutionism, only blind faith. Your attempt at an ad hominem is misdirected and feeble.

          • Hardworker50

            It appears that you are beyond stupid! It is called evolution!
            This is a high school course now, not even university; you should be able to read the simple words of few syllables. You are actually denying the existence of science?

          • Oboehner

            *YAWN* Whatever, it’s evolutionism – a religion.

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          So if a Muslim coach is SHARING his religion with those kids, it’s ok with you?

          • bowie1

            Sure. That offers me the opportunity to counter with my own beliefs which I have done online as well. I would see the door being opened to respond in kind which they might agree or disagree with.

          • Josey

            I love your comment for people can’t handle hearing anything anymore, we are free to disagree or agree, no one makes anyone believe anything, they choose to believe or not to believe.

        • acontraryview

          You are free to walk away. The students are not. Therein lies the difference.

          • Josey

            Sure these students can choose to walk away, there is always a choice.

          • acontraryview

            So you believe that it is reasonable, at a public school that serves students of all faiths as well as no faith, that students who want to play football but don’t want to preached to, should not have the opportunity to play football because the Coach feels it necessary to preach his faith to them?

      • Oboehner

        Then they can stop pushing evolutionism, fraudulent “gill slits” and all then.

        • Ralf Spoilsport

          Evolution is science, which is something public schools teach.

    • acontraryview

      What Constitutional right? What right does the Constitution provide that citizens are allowed to share their faith in any setting they care to?

      • bowie1

        It’s called freedom of speech. It should of course be done politely.

        • acontraryview

          The Constitution’s protections of freedom of speech do not mean that we are allowed to say whatever we want, whenever we want, and wherever we want. There are restrictions.

          How does the action of the FFRF writing a letter to the school pointing out that a school employee sharing religious beliefs with students, a clear violation of court rulings, violate the coach’s constitution rights?

    • acontraryview

      What constitutional rights are you referring to?

  • Sheila Foust

    That is so sad as even the professional NFL players pray before they go out on the field… Most adults now had God in the schools system when they grew up. Now he is not allowed there and look at the kids now……………….. drugs, gangs, fighting, dropping out…… God is what had kept out great nation togeather and now with him not allowed anywhere other than church or your personal homes…. you can fill in the blanks…… We need God to be allowed everywhere he is needed!!!!!!!!!!!!! The schools with our children is the most important…. So I’m saying to these people GROW UP AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!! There are so many things these so called people can focus on that would better serve everyone around them

  • best9rfan

    A coach sharing Christ with the kids is a good thing that they cant get enough of. He can change your life for the better in ways you could never even think of or imagine.

    • tyler

      wrong.. Zeus is the one true god

  • maggoting

    Long Live CHRIST THE KING.

    • Nidalap

      All eternity! 🙂

  • Michael Falsia

    Those athletes had the right to respectfully walk away if they did not want to hear the message? I am sure the Coach did not force this on them? Who gives any of these sanctimonious and pious atheists the authority to tell people what they should or should not hear? Who? This is oppression and tyranny in the extreme? And they have the nerve to call us fanatics and intolerant? Oh the wicked hypocrisy? Lets instead explore their sexuality and animal passion? Maybe we should introduce them to the joys of sex and perversion? Of how their teachers have precedence over their Parents while they are in school? How has that worked out for this pagan society so far?

  • Re Readyforpeace Strickland

    This is the second article I’ve read about this group writing for someone to be “disciplined” due to their points of view. Okay we get it… you have personal issues with Christ. Take that up in prayer. It’s against the “law” to have prayer in school and attempt to sway into a religious “cult” if you will. But not against the law to state your personal belief and share with anyone should they be willing to hear. Now I am sure kids, just as adults in any age range and location, will ignore information if they are not interested.

  • Steve Milton

    He’ll end up fired. He’s a dumb redneck that knows he is putting his school in danger of an expensive lawsuit that the school cannot win. The state cannot uphold any religion & by allowing this mess to happen at a school function is exactly that, condoning and pushing one religion. It’s against the law. That redneck coach will continue to proselytize to the captive audience on school time (per se) and he’ll do it knowing that it will cost tax payers a lot of money and the only winners will be the lawyers. He needs to be reprimanded 1 time with a promise of termination if it is continued. If outside of school sponsored activity, he wants to grab @ss, hold hands & share myths with teenage boys, then have at it.

  • Mike Crognale

    Piss on these FFRF morons. I can’t help but wonder if they are really all athieists masquerading as “patriots”. I will pray that the school board tells them to pack it in their asses.

  • Jay Shenphen

    He should be suspended 100% until he stop abusing his power. What an arrogant SOB. If he wants to share Christ, quit his job and become a youth pastor.

  • Steven J Button

    Think about this logically, folks. If what this coach is doing is allowed to go unchallenged, it will set precedence and open the door for other religious persuasions to do the same. How would you feel if a Muslim teacher decided to push his beliefs on the field? Or a Hindu? What if an atheist decided to push his views on your kid at school? You’d be in an uproar, right? In the eyes of the government, all religions must be treated equally, so it’s in your best interest not so support this coach. America is about equality, not giving special rights to certain groups.