Pro-Life Groups Concerned as Ben Carson Agrees Pro-Lifers Use ‘Hateful Rhetoric’

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Pro-life groups are expressing concern after Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson told reporters this weekend that both sides of the abortion issue use hateful language and need to tone it down.

Carson had been asked by CBS’ “Face the Nation” on Sunday about a Tweet from Planned Parenthood that stated that Friday’s shooting in Colorado was caused by “hateful rhetoric” against abortion.

“The increase in hateful rhetoric and smear campaigns against abortion providers and patients creates an environment [that] breeds acts of violence,” the abortion giant wrote on Twitter yesterday.

“There is no question that you know hateful rhetoric no matter which side it comes from—right or left—is something that is detrimental to our society,” Carson replied when asked what his view is on whether “rhetoric” has led to violence at abortion facilities.

“Our strength in this country has traditionally been in our unity, and we are allowing all kinds of circumstances to divide us and make us hateful toward each other,” he continued. “And the rhetoric is extremely immature, divisive and is not helpful when you have outside forces—global Islamic radical jihadists who want to destroy us.”

A number of pro-life groups are now expressing concern about Carson’s statements, stating that he seemed to agree with Planned Parenthood in his remarks.

“Did Carson take his talking points from Planned Parenthood?” asked Kristan Hawkins, president of Students for Life of America. “He completely missed the mark, casting suspicion on pro-lifers who had nothing to do with this tragedy and only furthering the deceitful narrative that the abortion industry has already laid out in the media.”

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“Compassion and love, not violence, are at the heart of the pro-life movement and motivate us to protect life in its stages and we extend that same love and compassion to the victims and their families of this horrible tragedy,” she said.

Ryan Bombarger, the founder of the Radiance Foundation, made similar statements.

“Pro-abortion activists consider any scientifically, historically, or statistically accurate information about the violence of abortion to be ‘hateful rhetoric,'” he said. “Facts are not hate speech, Dr. Carson. Exposing the inner-workings of Planned Parenthood in an undercover investigation isn’t ‘hateful rhetoric’; it enables illuminating and civil discussion about inhumane barbarity.”

“Division is healthy, especially when it delineates right from wrong,” Bombarger continued. “The pro-life movement strives passionately, and peacefully, to educate the American public about abortion because mainstream media, including Face the Nation and certain presidential candidates, won’t.”

 


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  • gizmo23

    Calling people murderers and baby killers plus condemming them to Hell sounds pretty hateful to me

    • Pererin

      Even if they are murderers? Jesus called out the money lenders in the temple and toppled their tables. I’m certainly not saying that we should be going around killing or harming people in abortion clinics but they definitely need to stood up to and told some home truths. We should not be standing idly by while millions of men and women are being brutally murdered in the womb. Strong words are the least of what we should be doing.

      • gizmo23

        How does that help women trying to seek help from a church

        • Pererin

          If we can get women to recognise the sin of killing a life in the womb, then the hope is they will turn to God for repentance and stop teaching the necessity of abortion to future generations. If we teach our children that abortion, though horrible, is necessary, we get nowhere but a state of depravity. What if we were to teach our children if you are really desperate, murdering someone is acceptable, we would very soon have big problems. Certainly no closer to help from church.

          • gizmo23

            No one is advocting telling women is Ok, but why push them that way by ridiculing them?

          • Pererin

            I assure you, this is not ridicule, it is deadly serious. Abortion is not taken seriously, this is why we are in this predicament.

      • gizmo23

        How does calling pregnant women murderers help the situation?

        • Pererin

          The women aren’t the focus here, it’s the millions of children being massacred, that is whole point of the pro-life cause. What you think is more important, the lives of children or the feelings of some pregnant women. Both are obviously important and sensitive, but children are being killed here, every day hundreds more and you suggest the softly softly approach? This issue is probably the most important disaster facing man today, yet it is constantly brushed aside for the likes of climate change or immigration. Both those issues are important but nowhere near the holocaust happening today in our own back yards.

          • gizmo23

            You might not care about the woman but she is the one making the decision

          • Pererin

            Oh yes I care about women, probably more than you claim to. Roughly 50% of the children murdered by abortion are women. I am speaking for these women’s lives along with the other 50% that are male. These men and WOMEN do not have a voice, they cannot fight for themselves, they cannot reason with you for their lives because you do not give them the opportunity. You want to strip these WOMEN of any say, of any standing, of any life. Do you not care for these lives, these WOMEN, at all? Or do you believe these WOMEN should die by the will and whim of other women? Do not be fooled by this faux feminist agenda, it is anything but for the protection of women, they are all for the massacre of females along with males. Open your eyes, see what is going on, murder in your name, your taxes. You are supporting it because of feminism even though millions of WOMEN’s lives are being brutally suppressed and taken away. Wake up before millions lead to billions.

          • gizmo23

            So what is your solution? We have had abortion for 40 + years. I doubt it is going to be made illegal. In fact with abortion drugs we have gone backwards.
            Callong women names is not nor will it help the situation. It may make people feel better but it doesn’t dk anything effective

          • Pererin

            Slavery was around for far more than 40 years. It was criminalised because a section of the human race was being brutally mistreated. We saw the evil of it and stopped and criminalised. People like William Wilberforce, fought for years to change the opinion of public, business and government about the evils of slavery. Millions of pounds of government and private business we effected. Just like today billions of pounds will have to forfeited, businesses stopped, government policy turned on it’s head. It has all been done before. Would you say it was worth it for slavery? It will be the same for abortion.

          • gizmo23

            I have not seen the Republican do much to stop it either. Until you change public opinion nothing will happen and I don’t see any movement in that direction

          • Pererin

            You are right, a vote for a Republican doesn’t necessarily mean a vote for anti-abortion. You are also correct about the changing of public opinion. But the way Hilary Clinton has clearly shown her cards about Planned Parenthood and abortion, I really pray that she doesn’t win the candidacy for the Democrats. I get the impression that if she got into power, abortion would go into 6th gear! All I know is that we all need to stand up for the unborn, the weak and powerless. Then one day change will hopefully happen.

      • gizmo23

        You may not of seen it but Alabama dropped it’s attempt to defund PP and agreed to pay PP for legal costs. Florida also dropped it’s case against PP over the videos, citing no evidence of wrong doing.
        Both cases show that new new tact must be taken if we wish to end abortion. Sting videos and name calling are not doing it

        • Pererin

          This is only the beginning and it’s been long coming.
          As I said, we need people to stand up and be counted until the government can so longer brush aside the abortion. To stop now will be allow further deaths and this cannot happen. What do you suggest we do to stop abortion?

          • gizmo23

            Looh at and address the reasons women have abortions. Convince society that it isn’t necessary, and that children are valued. Get the pro life movemnet out of the political party system and focus on what is best, not getting certain people elected.
            Look at the gay marriage issue. It happened because peoples opinion changed not because people called others names, protested or elected the right people

          • Pererin

            I really hope you aren’t saying there are justifiable reasons for killing a child in cold blood? Has it really come to this?

            Abortion maybe political but not solely, I’m so glad it is political issue, that is where change is made. As long as presidents are supporting murder I don’t really care who is in power.
            Do you really think that people just changed their minds about homosexuality, really, you genuinely believe that? No outside pressure? No political pressure? Come on, wake up. All we have had over the last ten years is the media and political pressure forcing homosexuality into our homes, in front of our children, no escape. Don’t be so false.

            Instead of coming to your senses and admitting you have no leg to stand on, you are now jumping to wild, silly and false arguments that make no sense, anything to shout down the dumb Christian on the internet who cannot possibly be correct and you cannot possibly be wrong. You see this is the problem, pride, self, self, self. This is the problem we face and why we have abortion in the first place and this is what we need to break, minds like yours. It seems that no matter what the evidence, what the history, what the situation you will never accept this view because you hate God and you savour it. God is your only hope of course. I pray He will bless you with a humble heart open to His truth.

          • gizmo23

            Thanks for acussing me of things I don’t believe. Please do not respond to me anymore. You will be ignored.
            Abortion will remain legal as long as there are people like you

          • Pererin

            You can’t get out of it that easy. I asked you the question, I did not accuse. What a silly statement, abortion survives as long as people like yourself supports it. I want it eradicated. You cannot twist things to find an easy way out.

          • gizmo23

            I will post again. After this I shall not respond to you

          • Kandy

            Because there are people like you. Who care for the Unborn Abortions will one day end.Never give up.One day God will end this murdering of the Unborn.But until then we must do our best and speak out for the ones who have no voice.You are doing a great job.

          • Pererin

            Thanks Kandy, this is what happens when trolls have nothing else to say. God will maybe choose to use him through his stubborn past experiences someday, what a blessing that would be.

          • Kandy

            That would be great.

          • Allan Brewster

            Jesus has to be in every part of a person’s life, including government or he is not in any portion of your life.

          • gizmo23

            Believe what use wish.

        • Michael Falsia

          Wrong doing according to who? The godless state? This is murder in God’s eyes and we can call sin what God calls sin! The idea is to bring sinners to true repentance and the only way you do that is to expose their wickedness. What do you think the Almighty is going to say on judgment day? You end the life of sin by changing the heart and that is the work of the Holy Spirit. Our responsibility is to tell sinners the truth about themselves and lead them to the Savior Jesus Christ. Abortion will end only when heats change. And by the way most Christians who go to witness at PP clinics do so with the right spirit and attitude and in most cases they are met with hostility and often times violence. And all they are doing is talking to women who are on their way to the clinic? So even if you say it with the broadest smile and preface every comment with love this gets you nowhere. Their hate is always on display with regard to pro life groups because they hate truth and righteousness and the God who will one day judge them for not only this sin but every idle word and thought! We have the testimony of former Nurses and Doctors who will tell you what really goes on in this pernicious industry along with the dreadful effects of post abortion life for most women which you never hear about from the pro death camp! We have a responsibility to talk about that and what this does to so many women who are not given all of the facts about the aftereffects of an abortion. And why are pro life clinics and other Christian agencies so opposed by left wing fanatics and the rest of the Planned murderhood gang? Lets tell the whole story here and see why righteous indignation is justified! Not violence but true righteous anger! Tone down the rhetoric is just another ruse by the prince of darkness and his followers to get us to be quiet. Tame the righteous so the wicked can go unchallenged? That is the game here.
          If we call abortion murder then by implication all abortionists are murderers and the women who choose to do this are murderers. There is no way out except put our tail between our legs and take a pragmatic approach which is not the will of God. Its adultery not an affair? Get the point? That is how the unsaved want us to address sin as they do euphemistically? And we simply cannot do that. I would agree that we should not come across as self righteous and sanctimonious or as the moral judge of those who are caught up in this horrific sin. But it must still be addressed with honesty and a straight forward tone of morality. If this is too offensive then we have to live with the consequences? We are not responsible for how deranged and wicked people take our words. If that were the case then no one could ever say anything in any intelligent way? No Christian has ever demanded that violent action be taken against anyone for any reason!

          • gizmo23

            All the actions of the pro life movement over the last forty years have sone nothing to stop abortions

          • Allan Brewster

            A majority of those that claim to be Christians including many Pastors will never see heaven because they do not turn away from sin and keep teaching that adultery, fornication, and homosexuality are acceptable. 83% of all abortion are murdering a baby where the mother and father are not married before sex.

          • gizmo23

            And 70% are by women claiming to be Christians

        • 1luisa

          Yes and Rachel Dolesal is black, Bruce Jenner is a woman, Sean whatever with BLM is black. Denial does not mean truth. PP is an abortuary getting millions

        • Allan Brewster

          They changed their position from with holding money from Planned Parenthood because Obama threatened to cut off Federal Funds to Medicaid if states withheld funds from Planned Parenthood.

          • gizmo23

            Because it was federal law long before Obama

          • Allan Brewster

            Before Obama took office it was illegal to give abortion suppliers any federal funds.

          • gizmo23

            You are way wrong on this. Medicare and Medicaid have long paid for birth control, pap smears, etc.

          • Allan Brewster

            Money was not going to Planned Parenthood before Obama took office.

          • gizmo23

            I’m afraid you are wrong

    • Michael Falsia

      Its called hating sin! Not the sinner? And there is a huge distinction between moral condemnation and hate. But for those who are of the world this seems extreme and unfair? Also to hate sin is to love truth and righteousness. But in a godless world this is unacceptable because it goes against the grain of selfishness, lust and all that unsaved people treasure. In the words of the bible as applied to abortion and abortionists, they are without natural affection. Romans chapter 1. The idea is to make the sin of murder, which is what abortion is, known to a world estranged from God and His righteousness because of their their sinful hearts which is where every problem facing the human race lies! The ungodly hate what God loves and love everything God hates and that is at the heart of your comment. Truth is hate only to those who hate truth! The day of salvation is here my friend repent and be saved! May God convict and lead you to the truth as it is in Jesus. That’s my heart for you. Not hate but genuine love! Paul said , love rejoices not in iniquity but together with the truth. 1 Corinthians 13 6.

      • gizmo23

        Hate the sin love the sinner is disengeous at best. To a person seeing that concept they only see hate for them

    • Allan Brewster

      Calling someone a murderer is not condemning someone to hell. People are already headed to hell on their own unless they repent of their sins and make Jesus their Lord and Savior. Speaking the truth about sin is an act of love, because if people never hear the truth, then they will not know to turn away from sin and then they will perish.

  • Jim Deferio

    Murder is THE greatest expression of HATE and Planned parenthood and other abortion providers have excelled at expressing and institutionalizing hate. People who identify these true haters are those who love people, who love life, and who love truth.

    • Michael Falsia

      Amen Brother! Well said!

    • Jade

      Do radical Christian extremist only think about preventing abortions or do they also think about the life that the child, if forced into existence, will potentially suffer. I believe they are so focused on making themselves “feel good” that they fail to look at the reality that if a woman does not or can not care for the baby, then the probability that the child will suffer physical and/or mental abuse and poverty is very high. I am not in favor of late term abortions but an early pregnancy termination should be a choice for a woman.

      • Jim Deferio

        Yes, I agree that your mother did a terrible job with you and it would have been better if she had aborted you.
        But now that you are here and being a troll, make yourself useful and take care of some of these kids that you complain about. Hypocrite much?

        • Jade

          “…those who love people…” You sound like you have a lot of hate sir.

          • Jim Deferio

            Let me see, YOU are the one who is trying to justify MURDER and you say that I sound like I have a lot of hate??? Hypocrite much? You need to repent of your murder.

            PROVERBS 17:15
            “He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just,Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD.”

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            You and I have had our agreements and disagreements but you have always been civil and addressed the topic without resorting to insults. I appreciate that. Like you, I have little patience for people who are more interested in heat than light. We needn’t encourage rancor.

        • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

          I have no respect for people who make this kind of comment.

          • Jim Deferio

            What kind of comment? Answering a fool according to his folly? Don’t you read the Bible? Your comment betrays your user name.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            I’m sorry you took offense. However, to insult someone’s mother and imply that they should have been killed in the womb seems to step over the line. Yes, I read my Bible. We should be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. We are to possess a spirit of meekness, even when confronting evil. I know you feel passionately about this issue and you might be more effective in reaching people if you weren’t so confrontational. But who am I to judge? Do what you believe God would have you do.

          • Jim Deferio

            Again, I was following Proverbs by answering a fool according to his folly. It tends to be an effective way to shut up those who offer excuses for sin, including abortion. I am an open air evangelist who is involved in college campus ministry and street ministry and I also do prolife evangelism.

            Prolife evangelism is very different than anti-abortion protesting. If you read the Bible carefully instead of “Teresa” you would know that there are many ways to answer people (e.g. strong rebuke, correction, exhortation, debate, reasoning, etc.).

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            That’s wonderful.

      • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

        If a woman cannot or will not care for her baby, she should take precautions to avoid pregnancy, not destroy the product of her irresponsibility. Abortion thrives in a culture that places a higher value on autonomy than on life itself.

        “It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”


        Mother Teresa

        • Jim Deferio

          Who cares what “Teresa” said. She was a wicked woman and she was never a mother.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            Mother Teresa was a “wicked woman?” She did not have children because she devoted her life to charity. I don’t think that disqualifies her from having an opinion on abortion. Why are you attacking people who support your opinions?

      • Matilde Tavares

        Adoption is perfect, when parent unable to raise child; other options available to her thru counselling for her specific situation. I am proud grandparent of a much loved adopted from birth grandaughter whom her parents love dearly. Despite help by her support organisation, she appears to have learnt little from her 1st round, & promising restart, as she two years later was up in same situation. Murder is not answer gor irresponsibility…

  • gizmo23

    Please tell me how calling people murderers and bady killers over the last 40 years done anything to stop abortions?

    • Pererin

      Please tell me how putting murderers in prison has done anything to stop the crime of murder over the last 400 years?

      • gizmo23

        So we should have no laws?
        Again how does calling women names helps bring them to your side?

        • Pererin

          Of could we should have laws, that is exactly my point.
          Do you think the Nazi’s responsibe for the murder of millions where called names when they were caught and called to justice? Of course not, they were stopped, shown the error of their ways and the people responsible punished.
          That is how serious abortion is. More have been killed by abortion than the holocaust. People need to be shown what they are doing is wrong and needs to be stopped. Our society has been so poisoned that killing in the womb is nothing to them anymore, certainly not a crime. This needs to be corrected. Name calling is not the answer, it doesn’t go far enough. Correction, education is the answer and this starts by the few calling out the error, highlighting the shame. Only then will people see abortion for what it is, cold blooded murder.

          • gizmo23

            If it is cold blooded murder then the women and doctors involved should be given the death penalty. That will be popular.
            Don’t you guys see that the pro life movement has not moved public opinion in at least 25 years?
            All the screaming yelling and name calling has done nothing. Isn’t it time to try something new.
            Your comparison to Nazis sound strong but we also declared war on them and killed them. Is that what you want to do to American women

          • Pererin

            Personally I would not hold all women to account, remember husbands are equally responsible as a lot of the time the division is made together. But just like Nazi Germany, it was usually the top Generals and leaders who were held responsible. It’s too late to punish the likes of Margaret Sanger, but her name definitely needs to be held to account publically. That’s a start. An enquiry into how we got here needs to be done and people need to be named and shamed.

          • gizmo23

            Sanger opposed abortion. Women make the choice of their own free will so if the doctor is guilty so are they. What about women that use birth control ?

          • Pererin

            Pardon my sarcasm, but Sanger did a pretty poor job of preventing abortion if she was against it don’t you think?

            Personally I wouldn’t necessarily say that doctors the ones to be prosecuted either, they are being cornered into doing it through their roles in employment, though I would prefer to see doctors stand up and say, enough, no more killing. At the end of the day it will be God who will have the last word on who He decides to judge. But that doesn’t mean we don’t have a responsibility to change things and find or single out the people driving the abortion killing machine.

            Regarding birth control, I’m assuming you are referring to abortifacient pills etc and not condoms. There have been instances in medical history where certain medicines were given to pregnant women, later it was found that these medicines caused deformities the the babies carried. Of course these medicines where stopped, without any question. The same needs to happen here. Once the realisation hits killing babies in the womb is a crime and that these abortifacient pills aim to kill babies they must be stopped and other forms of birth control must then be used and developed. There are already other forms that can be used.

            The problem we have is ignorance. The majority of people using the pill don’t even realise how they work and what they are potentially doing. Our society needs to be re-educated on the foundation of life and the importance and gift of life. Once our society is in the situation where children are treasured from the point of conception we will see the difference, but this would take generations of change, maybe another 50 years or so. But the soon we start, the better.

          • Allan Brewster

            Margaret Sanger said that the best thing a large family could do for their children is to murder one of them. She was pro-murder not choice.

          • Allan Brewster

            If it were not for the Pro-life movement, then public opinion would be far more pro-death than it is now.

          • gizmo23

            There was no prolife movement before roe v wade

          • tyler

            Abortion will never go away in this country, and for good reason. It is a woman’s choice, period. Don’t like abortions? Then how about not having one? It sounds like you’d love living in one of the many other countries where it is banned. Good luck.

          • Pererin

            What about the choice of the women aborted? Do they not have a choice too?

  • Coach

    He’s part of a cult, so this is no surprise

  • Rebecca

    Even if some use “hateful rhetoric” so what? So do pro-choicers.
    The bottomline is babies are being murdered. Murder is worse than “hateful rhetoric”. Words do not murder, Planned Parenthood does!!

  • FoJC_Forever

    Some do, some don’t. This is just the world’s diversion from the Truth. The power of Feminism comes from the innocent blood being shed and is directly from a demonic host. Abortion is the central issue for so called women’s rights, but it is a Lie. The Word of God offers true freedom for both genders, and does not base it on the right to murder babies. The world always twist issues to keep people from seeing the Evil and Darkness it practices.

    Judgement is coming.

    • tyler

      correction: a fetus is not a baby

      • Pererin

        Correction: A fetus is a baby.

        • tyler

          please consult any dictionary

          • Pererin

            Please consult God. A fetus is a developing baby. What did you think it was?

          • Kandy

            Tyler and may others have Dehumanized the Unborn. He does not realize he can not take away what God Created. He can not take away their Humanity.

      • Rebecca

        God trumps your view 🙂

        • tyler

          check your dictionary please

          • Rebecca

            Nope. You check with God and then get back with me.

  • BarkingDawg

    The truth hurts.

    The shooting was entirely inspired by hate rhetoric

    • Pererin

      Pro-lifer goes off the rails and murders some people, this is of course awful and tragic. My heart goes out to those people and their families who died or suffered.

      Now lets get back on track to the point, the real ‘hate rhetoric’ that drove this man to commit such a tragedy, millions of children brutally murdered in the womb and the lack of any action by our society to save them. Do you have a thought for them? Not even a little? No witty little one liner for the millions lost, millions processed, blended, ripped to shreds?

      I didn’t think so.

      • Rebecca

        Pro-choicers only care about themselves. That is how they are easily convinced it’s not a baby. Sad sheeple.

  • tyler

    Don’t like abortion? How about not having one?
    It’s a woman’s choice, period. Is it legal in this country, and will never go away, and for good reason.
    Why not look into the dozens of other countries where it is banned? I’m proud of my freedom’s in the United States.

    • Pererin

      Yay freedom to murder, murder for everyone! What a wonder country indeed.

      • tyler

        feel free to move. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out

        • Pererin

          Nope I’ll stay to make the changes needed thanks, I won’t turn my back on the lives of millions of children facing butchery. Deal with it, we are here to stay.

          • tyler

            You’re stupid to think that you would reverse abortion laws. Whether you like it or not, it’s for public health. If it were illegal, do you think everyone would stop getting an abortion? or do you think they’d find a far less safe way to try to do it?

          • Pererin

            Was William Wilberforce stupid? Was Martin Luther King stupid? People like them and many other totally switched the way society think. Of course far less people would have abortions if it were illegal. Of course some would still do it, but that situation is far better than the holocaust that is happening right now. How can you say it for public health, are you that blind?

          • tyler

            It’s legal, it has been for over 40 years – and it’s not your choice, it’s the choice of the woman should she so desire. It’s not going away. I guess you’re not praying hard enough if you think it will end.

          • Josey

            Eventually it will end for Christ will cause these depraved acts to cease soon.

          • tyler

            ‘soon’ – people have been saying that for nearly 2000 years.

          • Josey

            yes they have, so what. The Bible says a day to the Lord is as a thousand years and vice versa. He is coming!

          • Pererin

            Before Jesus came the first time they waited even longer for the prophesied Messiah to come, be he did come and what a glorious difference he made.

          • tyler

            other religion have that exact same ‘prophecy’, and still don’t believe it

          • Pererin

            The exact same prophecy about the Messiah coming as Jesus did in the Bible, I don’t think so.

          • Pererin

            As I just showed you, some law are reversed, it’s not your choice either. Again, what about the women aborted, do they have the same choice that you support? If not why not? I can pray all I like, God will handle it when and how He sees fit.

          • Josey

            Even if it as you say it wouldn’t be reversed, the truth still should be told and God will not excuse those who do such things.

          • tyler

            ahha when did god say he would not excuse those who do such things, specifically? see, the bible is extremely vague on purpose, and that’s why there are tens of thousands of christian denominations, none of whom believe the same thing. good luck with that.

          • Josey

            That is the problem, following a denomination instead of following Christ and God’s word. Christ is over all!

          • tyler

            I’m pretty sure you are a member of a church.. and it would be one of the tens of thousands of christian denominations

          • Josey

            I am part of the Bride of Christ, the body of Christ, those who belong to Christ through the shed blood of Christ who have been born again are my brothers and sisters in Christ, doesn’t make one difference what church building they attend. And though I attend a church service, I put God’s word above all.

          • Josey

            And the Bible is not vague on the character of Almighty God or His will and purposes except to those who are not spiritually minded and who do not love the truth.

          • tyler

            I’m more familiar with the bible than you are. that’s much of the reason I’m a non-believer.

    • StanW

      Don’t like guns? Then don’t own one.

      Freedom, right?

      • gizmo23

        yes

  • tyler

    I’d strongly recommend following what the bible and god and jesus said about abortion: absolutely nothing

    • Pererin

      I recommend you actually read the Bible then, plenty of verses on the subject.

      • tyler

        care to share one of them?
        I already know which verses you’d quote, which never say abortion and are completely vague and subjective

        • Pererin

          As you know them you should know better. How can you reason against them?

          • tyler

            like I just said – I’ve heard christians cite verses that are completely vague and actually say nothing at all about abortion

          • Pererin

            Very sad, dig your head in the sand. It’s tragic.

    • Josey

      Exodus 23:7 “Do not kill the innocent.” , Ezekiel 23:37 “For they have committed adultery, and blood is on their hands… and even sacrificed their sons…” , 2 Kings 23:10…that no man might make his son or his daughter pass through the fire to Molech., there are plenty more to list but the point is made.

      • tyler

        hilarious! please tell me how ‘do not kill the innocent’ translates to ‘do not have abortions’

        • Josey

          you have to spiritually dead to not understand that abortion is killing the innocent.

          • tyler

            abortions aren’t fun or cool, but they are completely legal – and it is a woman’s choice to do so. I’m proud that this freedom is in this country. And I am a happily married father of 2

          • gizmo23

            How do you feel about military actions that kill innocent people?

      • tyler

        those are the dumbest examples – not one of them even comes close to translating “abortions are bad, do not have them”. not even close.
        A swing and a miss, Josey

  • Josey

    Keeping one’s head buried in the sand is what most would like to continue to do rather than hear the truth about abortion and other issues. What people consider to be hate rhetoric today is telling it like it is, telling the truth and most cannot handle hearing the truth. 2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. This is what mainstream media puts out and sadly a lot of pulpits are following suit, fables instead of preaching the pure unadulterated word of God.