Arkansas Supreme Court Halts Statewide Inclusion of Homosexuals on Birth Certificates

Arkansas Supreme Court-compressedLITTLE ROCK, Ark. — The Arkansas Supreme Court has temporarily blocked a ruling by a lower court judge that would allow homosexuals throughout the state to have their name included on the birth certificates of their children even though at least one woman is not the biological parent.

Six lesbians had filed suit against the Arkansas Health Department’s Vital Statistics Bureau after it declined to recognize both women as the parents on the birth certificates, which they sought to do in order to obtain insurance coverage for the children.

The bureau stated that the women needed to obtain a court order in the matter.

In their lawsuit, the women alleged that the refusal violated the U.S. Constitution because they could not both be listed just like heterosexual parents. But the state argued that the requirement to obtain a court order is the same for heterosexual couples who have children out of wedlock and marry after the birth.

Last month, Pulaski County Circuit Judge Tim Fox sided with the lesbian women, stating that the birth certificates could be amended to include both of their names, and on Dec. 1, he expanded the allowance statewide.

Attorney General Leslie Rutledge filed for a stay in the matter, and on Thursday, the Arkansas Supreme Court decided 5-2 to grant the request. The stay only sought to place a hold on Fox’s strike down of some of the sections of the state law pertaining to birth certificates, and did not seek to challenge the allowance to the six women.

“The issues presented are complex, with portions of a statute being struck and substantial additions being made to a provision of the Arkansas Code by the circuit court,” the court wrote. “Substantial confusion could result if the circuit court’s order were to remain in effect and subsequently be altered by a decision of this court on appeal.”

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The two judges that voted against the stay said that it would be unfair to only grant the allowance to six women and not the entire state.

“The balance of equities weighs in favor of all same-sex couples having the right to have both spouses listed on the child’s birth certificate when the child was born subsequent to that union,” wrote Justice Rhonda Wood in a separate opinion. “This is especially true because [the plaintiffs] are receiving immediate relief while, as a result of the majority’s stay, others will not.”

Wood was joined by Paul Danielson in her dissent.

Judd Deere, a spokesman for Rutledge, said that the attorney general is pleased with the court’s decision.

“Attorney General Rutledge is gratified that the Arkansas Supreme Court acted quickly on her request and granted a stay of Judge Fox’s order,” he said in a statement. “The attorney general disagreed with much of the lower court’s order and was concerned that it would lead to confusion and uncertainty.”


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  • Nidalap

    A moment of sanity amidst the chaos…

  • Reason2012

    Adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

    Homosexual behavior is most literally pointed out as a sin, and God has not changed on that regard. But if a person has those inclinations but does not act upon them, does not dwell in lust upon others, but is instead struggling against them to avoid them, then it’s not a sin. It’s just like sinful inclinations of any kind: it’s acting upon it when it becomes a sin.

    And this is what God says about sin and specifically the behavior of homosexuality:

    Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [s odomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

    Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

    Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

    Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

    The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

    Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

    God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

    Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

    Luke 17:28-30 “So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”

    Romans 1:18-32 “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [suppress] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, m urder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

    The entire Bible points out men having_sex with men is an abomination. Likewise woman having_sex with women. It’s not just Paul that pointed it out.

    Genesis 19:4-13 “But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of S odom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them [men wanting to have_sex with men].

    And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing [he offers his daughters to be_raped to keep them from having_sex with another man – shows_rape is not the issue but male on male_sex]; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

    And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

    And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.”

    These two messengers were sent to destroy that place before the event where they tried to_rape these messengers.

    Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

    Leviticus 20:13 “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”

    Even cross-dressing is an abomination:

    Deuteronomy 22:5 “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”

    Deuteronomy 23:17 “There shall be no_whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a s odomite of the sons of Israel.”

    1 Kings 22:46 “And the remnant of the s odomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.”

    1 Kings 15:11-12 “And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the s odomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.”

    2 Kings 23:7 “And he brake down the houses of the s odomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.”

    Ezekiel 16:49-50 “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister S odom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.”

    And the “pride” parades about homosexuality are more of the same.

    Matthew 19:4-5 “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?”

    Not father and father. Not mother and mother. Not his husband.

    And only two people of opposite gender can become “one flesh”.

    Live forever, people – not temporarily only to be cast out for living for the things of this world.

    May God/Jesus Christ be glorified!

    • rcvj

      Fortunate, then, that the US is governed not by the Bible but the Constitution.

      • Reason2012

        Wasn’t talking about the Constitution. But it’s a shame it’s not as now 57 MILLION sons/daughters have been slaughtered by their own parents and sold for body parts, all in the name of “I don’t REALLY believe in God”.

        This country is now reaping what we’ve sown in the past several decades and it’s going to get worse.

        • rcvj

          I suspect that you would prefer a theocratic form of government, based on the Bible. Long time since I went to Sunday school but I recall bits about bashing babies’ heads against rocks, slaughtering all the first born Egyptians, killing all the inhabitants of a conquered town including babies and pregnant women, not to mention wiping out the human race (except Noah and crew) including babes in the womb. I’d go with the Constitution.

          • Reason2012

            No, just the part about “thou shalt not kill” would have been sufficient to save the lives of 57 MILLION sons/daughters.
            You make a pretense of caring about your false claims from the Bible while condoning 57 MILLION being slaughtered by their own parents in the past few decades alone, and most sold for body parts. the facts betray your anti-Christian bigotry.

          • rcvj

            Not quite sure what you are getting at here. Abortion, which I had not mentioned, or my false Bible claims. Perhaps you have a different Bible because all the incidents I mentioned are there. I will add the one where a bunch of kids were eaten by a bear because they laughed at an old man’s bald head.

    • John N

      Adults continue to permanently turn away from the christian religion, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born gain”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

      Now that was easy, wasn’t it?

      And unlike you, I have actual figures to back this up.

      • Reason2012

        Of course there are always Christians turning away from it. Not sure what that has to do with the simple fact anyone can google ex-gay and be flooded by personal testimonies, even of the most die hard homosexual activists, who have on their own permanently turned away from homosexuality and realize it was born of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

        • John N

          Unverifiable anecdotal evidence does not prove anything. Where are the figures? Where are the scientific studies?

          But repeatedly insulting people for being mental instable, confused or indoctrinated without actually knowing them does prove something though.

          • afchief

            Sexual Abuse: A Major Cause Of Homosexuality?

            It is a well-documented fact that many many homosexuals were sexually abused when young. (This paper will conclude with a list of some books which support that statement.)

            In other words, there is an abundance of evidence that many many homosexuals were born heterosexual but were disoriented by sexual abuse.

            Indeed, there are many more cases of sexual abuse than there are cases of homosexuality. As one large study discussed in a 1997 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found, on average 12.8% of women and 4.3% of men recall being sexually abused.1 (How many do not recall it?)

            According to Dr. James E. Soukup, author of a book which deals with several subjects including sexual abuse: “In one national study in 1985, 27 percent of the females interviewed and 16 percent of the males reported to have been sexually abused as children. Other studies indicate that these figures are too low. It is suggested that eighty percent of all sexual abuse is not reported.”2

            The Associated Press noted in late 1998 that, according to an analysis of 166 studies covering the years 1985-97: “As many as one in five boys is sexually abused….It [also] concluded that sexual abuse of boys is underreported and undertreated….Earlier studies have shown that 25 percent to 35 percent of girls are sexually abused.”3

            (According to a JAMA review of literature re the sexual abuse of boys, only 10%-33% of male abuse victims ever tell anyone about that abuse.4 The review also found that: “Abused [male] adolescents, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to self-identify as gay or bisexual than peers who had not been abused.”5 And regarding female abuse victims, one study found that 38% of adult women ages 18-31 who were sexually abused when young [between ages 10 months to 12 years] did not remember that they were sexually abused when young.6)

            According to an article in Newsweek: “University of New Hampshire professor David Finkelhor, widely considered the premier researcher on crimes against children,…finds that 21 percent of all girls and at least 3 (but more likely 10) percent of boys are sexually victimized by age 17.”7

            Whatever the true percentages are of male and female sex abuse victims, considering how high the suggested/reported numbers are compared to the percentage of the population that is homosexual (only 1%-2%), we can see that sexual abuse can theoretically account for every case of homosexuality.

            Too, there currently is no definitive proof that anyone is born homosexual. Several studies by homosexual researchers claimed to find some possible biological bases for homosexuality. But other scientists easily pointed out the flaws in those studies, and the results of those studies have yet to be replicated by others. In the words of pro-homosexual Newsweek magazine: “In the early ’90s, three highly publicized studies seemed to suggest that homosexuality’s roots were genetic….More than five years later the data have never been replicated.”8 (This fact has been almost totally ignored by the biased, untrustworthy, dominant liberal media.) And in the May/June 2008 issue of Psychology Today we have this: “No one has yet identified a particular gay gene….There is no all-inclusive explanation for the variation in sexual orientation, at least none supported by actual evidence….[T]here are many different mechanisms [involving both nature and nurture], not a single one, for producing homosexuality.”9

            So how can anyone claim, in good conscience, that homosexuals are born that way and have no choice? When someone says they are homosexual, our first response should be to try and find out if he/she was sexually abused and, if so, to then punish the abuser. Our next response should be to provide therapy to homosexuals to help them cope with their problems.

            Those who push the born-homosexual line are effectively ignoring the sexual abuse of children. What kind of “people” want to let pedophiles get away with sexually abusing little kids?

            (If sexual abuse happens to a one-year or two-year old child, he or she may not remember it later in life because it happened at such a young age. However, the trauma can govern the rest of the victim’s life. Some homosexuals will swear they were never sexually abused, but they have no way of knowing for sure.)

            Skilled psychologists and psychiatrists like Masters and Johnson, Charles Socarides, Joseph Nicolosi, Benjamin Kaufman, Elizabeth Moberly, Jeffrey Satinover, and Gerard van den Aardweg, have had success changing homosexuals into heterosexuals. (They have been successful because most if not all homosexuals were probably born heterosexual.)

            Dr. Reuben Fine, Director of the New York Center for Psychoanalytic Training: “It is paradoxical that even though the politically active homosexual group[s] denies the possibility of change, all studies from Schrenk-Notzing on have found positive effects, virtually regardless of the kind of treatment used….If the homosexual patients were motivated, whatever procedure [i.e., treatment] is adopted, a large percentage will give up their homosexuality.”10

            Those who oppose using therapy to change homosexuals into heterosexuals are, in effect, trying to keep homosexuals locked into homosexuality. Those who oppose such therapy do not want homosexuals to have a choice, a way out of homosexuality. That’s un-American, inhumane, intolerant, and meanly oppressive.

            In addition, considering all the solid scientific evidence that many homosexuals are mentally disturbed to one degree or another because of sexual abuse (or dysfunctional parents or other negative developmental influences many homosexuals experienced), it is clear that those psychiatrists and psychologists who say homosexuality should NOT be on the officially approved list of mental illnesses are seemingly incompetent malpractitioners. They appear to be more interested in being “politically correct” than in the truth. Incompetent malpractitioners should have their licenses to ply their professions revoked.

            (A book written by Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist, titled Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis, explains how the decision to remove homosexuality from the officially approved list of mental disorders was based on power politics and intimidation by homosexual groups NOT science.)

            One last note: Homosexuals do not want you to know that many of them were sexually abused when young, because many people who were so abused go on to molest others. And homosexuals do not want you to know that they are more likely to molest children than heterosexuals are.11 (Note of clarification: While that is a fact, there is no proof at this time that it is because of their homosexuality, but rather because so many of them were sexually abused themselves.)

            Footnotes

            1. H. MacMillan, “Prevalence of Child Physical and Sexual Abuse in the Community,” JAMA, July 9, 1997, p. 131.

            2. James E. Soukup, Understanding and Living With People Who Are Mentally Ill (Springfield, IL: Charles C. Thomas Publishers, 1995), p. 104.

            3. Associated Press, “Study: As many as 1 in 5 boys sexually abused,” Chicago Tribune, Dec. 2, 1998, section 1, p. 22.

            4. W.C. Holmes and G.B. Slap, “Sexual Abuse of Boys,” JAMA, Dec. 2, 1998, p. 1859.

            5. Ibid.

            6. Jennifer A. Hurley (editor), Child Abuse: Opposing Viewpoints (San Diego: Greenhaven Press, 1999), pp. 113-14.

            7. E.J. Graff, “The News on Abuse,” Newsweek, July 2 & 9, 2012, p. 14.

            8. John Leland and Mark Miller, “Can Gays Convert?”, Newsweek, Aug. 17, 1998, p. 49.

            9. Robert Kunzig, “Finding the Switch,” Psychology Today, May/June 2008, pp. 90 and 93.

            10. Louis Diamant (editor), Male and Female Homosexuality: Psychological Approaches (Washington, DC: Hemisphere Publishing Corp., 1987), pp. 84-6.

            11. Support for the position that homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to sexually abuse children can be found in the following sources:

            Ray Blanchard, et al., “Fraternal Birth Order and Sexual Orientation in Pedophiles,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (2000), p. 464.

            John M.W. Bradford, et al., “The Heterogeneity/Homogeneity of Pedophilia,” Psychiatric Journal of the University of Ottawa 13 (1988), p. 218.

            Michelle Elliott, “Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us,” Child Abuse and Neglect 19 (1995), p. 581.

            Kurt Freund, et al., “Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference, ” Journal of Sex Research 26 (1989), pp. 107-17. This is an odd article in that it actually states (in a bow to political correctness?) that there is no correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia but provides clear statistics that indicate there is such a correlation.

            Zebulon A. Silverthorne and Vernon L. Quinsey, “Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (2000), pp. 67-76.

            Robin D. Stone, No Secrets, No Lies (NY: Broadway Books, 2004), p. 153.

            The following books, with page numbers, refer to the fact that many many homosexuals were sexually abused when young:

            Teen Prostitution by Joan J. Johnson (NY & Chicago: Franklin Watts Publishers, 1992), p. 53.

            Female Perversions by Dr. Louise J. Kaplan (NY: Doubleday, 1991), p. 437.

            Invisible Lives by Martha Barron Barrett (NY: William Morrow & Co., 1989), p. 140.

            Incest and Sexuality by therapists Wendy Maltz and Beverly Holman (Lexington, MA: Lexington Books, 1987), p. 72.

            The Secret Trauma by Prof. Diane E.H. Russell (NY: Basic Books, Inc., 1986), p. 199.

            The Broken Taboo: Sex in the Family by B. and R. Justice (quoted in the book Incest: a family pattern by Jean Renvoize [London: Routledge and Kegan Paul, 1982], p. 127).

            We’ll include here a 2012 Northwestern University study of Chicago youths, 13-18 years old, which found: “About 9 percent of heterosexual female youths report being forced to have sex, compared with nearly 18 percent among lesbian and bisexual female youths. About 7 percent of young male heterosexuals report being forced to have sex, while about 25 percent of gay and bisexual male youths report such sexual violence” (Rex Huppke, “Study: Health issues afflict more LGBT Chicago youths,” Chicago Tribune, Dec. 24, 2012, section 1, p. 5).

            And we’ll include another 2012 study which found: “Extraordinarily high rates of CSA [childhood sexual abuse] were observed for sexual minorities.” For example, lesbians and female bisexuals were 3.4 times and 5.3 times, respectively, more likely to have experienced CSA than heterosexuals. Homosexual males and male bisexuals were 9.5 times and 12.8 times, respectively, more likely to have experienced CSA than heterosexuals (Sweet, T. and Welles, S.L., “Associations of sexual identity or same-sex behaviors with history of childhood sexual abuse and HIV/STI risk in the United States,” J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr, April 1, 2012; 59(4), pp. 400-08).

            The following books refer to the fact that many young victims of sexual abuse later experience confusion over their sexual identities:

            The Consumer’s Guide to Psychotherapy by Drs. Jack Engler and Daniel Goleman (NY: Simon & Schuster/Fireside, 1992), p. 414.

            Desires in Conflict by Joe Dallas (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1991), p. 187.

            Betrayal of Innocence by Dr. Susan Forward and Craig Buck (NY: Penguin Books, 1988), p. 96.

            See also the magazine article “Does Physical Abuse, Sexual Abuse, or Neglect in Childhood Increase the Likelihood of Same-sex Sexual Relationships and Cohabitation? A Prospective 30-year Follow-up” by Helen Wilson and Cathy Widom in Archives of Sexual Behavior (January 7, 2009).

          • Reason2012

            Excellent. Mind if I cut and paste in the future as needed?

          • afchief

            Here is the website where I got this information from. Lots of good information on homosexuality and liberalism.

            http://www.home60515. com/index.html

          • John N

            Right, a website maintained by the organization “Heterosexuals Organized for a Moral Environment” designated an anti-gay-hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center “based on their propagation of known falsehoods”.

            According to the SPLC, they are “entirely focused on the alleged evils of homosexuality and attacks gay people on a wide variety of levels”.
            (Source: Wikipedia)

            Some nice biased sources you use there. Do you really want to be associated with such a hate group? A fine example of christian virtues, I must say.

          • afchief

            I have been posting on this dangerous, evil and perverted lifestyle for the last 10 years. Every Christian, conservative or anti-homosexual website has ALWAYS been opposed by homosexuals. I have YET to see ONE homosexual agree with any of the truth posted by these websites.

            That is why the Word of God is sooooooooooo true!!!!

            Romans 1:18-20 (NASB) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

            You and other homosexuals ALWAYS suppress the truth in unrighteousness. Your posts are PROOF!!!

          • Valri

            Your references and sources are always utter, vicious garbage. You should do something about that.

          • The Last Trump

            Yeah, very scientific type, factual stuff.
            Definitely not for you!
            Stick with fstdt posts from the OUT crowd.
            More your kind of intolerant, biased, fact rejecting flavour.

          • Valri

            If only you knew how much you’d LEARN by spending time on FSTDT dot com. And how much baloney you’ve been fed. But don’t look! Keep your head in the sand! You’ll learn SO much more that way, hee hee!

          • afchief

            Any rational and logical mind KNOWS the homosexual lifestyle is dangerous, perverted and deviant. The reprobate mind does not.

            That is why the Word of God is sooooooooooo true!!!!

            Romans 1:18-20 (NASB) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

            You and other homosexuals ALWAYS suppress the truth in unrighteousness. Your posts are PROOF!!!

          • John N

            The baseline is indeed that your god supposedly doesn’ t like homosexuals. Or is it just you who doesn’t like homosexuals and uses his bible to hide behind?

            To give that position a touch of objectivity you are prepared to associate yourself with an anti-gay hate group known to use falsehoods which you call ‘truths’. Not exactly what anyone would call ‘objective’ or ‘scientific’ in any way.

            Meanwhile the rest of the world has moved on and at least in the western world we accept equal rights for homosexuals.

            And you know what? Your god doesn’t seem to care. No Armageddon, no global flood, not even a Sodom or Gomorrah. Don’t you wonder why?

          • afchief

            Sorry, but the truth ALWAYS offends!!! Homosexualty is sin. It is wrong! It is dangerous. Any rational mind KNOWS the back door is not for sex. And do not tell me lots of hetros do it to. That is a boldface lie!!! The anal muscle is what’s known as a “round muscle”. Think of it as being like a rubber band, rather than a sheet stretching from one area to another. These muscles have a very specific design and function. They are meant to keep things closed.

            If that muscle is stretched, it develops microtears. Now with a regular muscle, microtears mend and the muscle is built up, which is how exercise gets you toned and/or built. Round muscles don’t work that way. Microtears never fully heal, and the entire muscle is weakened.

            That is *why* gay men end up needing diapers over time. The anal muscle can no longer close tightly enough to prevent leakage.

            And arguing about whether HIV is a ‘gay’ disease or not is so stupid, it’s like discussing whether smoking causes lung cancer or if pit bulls are more aggressive than other dogs. Some people just refuse to admit the obvious truth and so quibble over minutia.

            Unless you engage in male-on-male homosexual sex, basically the only way you will ever catch HIV is by using dirty needles.

            Again, you and other homosexuals ALWAYS suppress the truth in unrighteousness. Your posts are PROOF!!!

          • John N

            Does your ‘thruth’ offends? Insulting people surely does. Promoting ignorance does. Spreading lies and flsehoods does, absolutely. But I see no thruth in your posts here.

            According to a study in The Journal of Sexual Medicine in 2010, between 20 and 40 percent of American woman ever engaged in anal sex. Now there are a lot more woman in the states than there are homosexuals.

            Now why do I believe The Journal of Sexual Medicine (a peer reviewed scientific journal) presents the thruth rather than you, who gets his ‘knowledge’ from websites of hate groups known to promote falsehoods?

          • afchief

            I speak the “hard truth”. You homosexuals suppress the truth in unrighteousness. It is quite obvious. You cannot see the truth. You do not want to see the truth. You are hardened by sin. It has consumed you. You hate others who do not accept your sin. You go to Christian websites looking for approval of this sin. You want approval from us that God made you this way. You do not find it. So you lash out.

            Also, what you state about 20 to 40 of women doing this is a boldface lie!!! I see it all the time from homosexuals. When you have a reprobate mind you cannot see the truth.

          • John N

            I rather think you speak from your personal aversion versus homosexuals while hiding behind your bible. No facts , no scientific evidence to support your point. Only homophobic hate-group website, insults and denial.

            Like I said, the world has moved on. Religious bigots have lost this battle. Try to live with it.

          • afchief

            The battle is for your soul and right now by your posts satan is winning.

            Jesus said it would be just like the days of Lot (open homosexuality) when He returns. When you say the “world has moved on” shows that we have entered that period of time that Jesus has talked about.

            The time is short and you need to get right with God. Eternity is at stake. Repent and live!!!!

          • John N

            Yeah right, the usual ultimate argument against unbelievers: threath them with your big brother. Repent or my god will torture you for eternity! By preference to be done while burning the infidel at the stake.

            Well, keep on waiting for Jesus. After all, he promised he would be back before his generation came to pass, so that would be any moment now.

          • afchief

            Revelation 21:6-8 (NASB) Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. 7 He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. 8 But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

            The fire is never quenched. It never dies.

            The choice is yours!!!

          • John N

            Oh thank you very much! And I have made my choice – using my ‘free will’, you know.

            I hope you’ve got a good story ready when you finally die and appear before Baal. He’s not very happy with the attention his rival Jahweh is getting the latest time. And he is such a jealous god …

          • Valri

            The choice is mine? Good. I choose not to believe in a God that punishes people by burning them for an eternity. I also choose to believe that such people who DO believe that are crazy.

          • The Last Trump

            And I choose not to believe that touching the oven element while it is on will burn me!
            Yet, it always does….
            So much for the “I choose” philosophy! 🙁

          • Valri

            And how many times have you burned for an eternity in hell, Trumpy? Have you field tested THAT little belief?

          • afchief

            It is obvious you are searching for truth since you are on a Christian website. Why else are you here? We Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God. We believe in heaven and hell. We believe if forgiveness of sins. Even the sin of homosexuality.

            Jesus can set you free. Let Him!!!

          • NGN

            when you start posting some peer reviewed stuff, maybe people will listen but until then….ROTFLMAO @ you!

          • NGN

            too funny! you have absolutely no idea do you? just pulling it out of thin air..LOL! typical liar for christ

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “Unless you engage in male-on-male homosexual sex, basically the only way you will ever catch HIV is by using dirty needles.”

            Now THAT is a bald-faced lie. (and that’s the right way to say that expression, not “bold face lie”) It is true that anal sex has a higher risk of infection, but virtually any form of sex carries some risk. And of course, anal sex is in no way something that only gay men do.

          • afchief

            It amazing how much liberals/homosexuals lie!!! In 2014, the CDC found that men-who-have-sex-with-men (MSM), about 1 percent of the population, accounted for 83 percent of syphilis cases in the U.S. Syphilis, a disease that was once on the verge of eradication, is spreading like wildfire. According to the CDC, syphilis rates “are increasing at an alarming rate.” The statistics for AIDS are similar. In 2010, MSM were responsible for 63 percent of new AIDS cases in the US. The rate of anal cancer among MSM is seventeen times higher than among heterosexuals.

            Yes you are a liar!!!!

          • TheKingOfRhye

            None of that in any way refutes what you responded to.

          • Elie Challita

            You know, chief, I don’t really mind your posts about homosexuality anymore. You’re a deluded, ignorant, psychopathically self-righteous asshole, and I accept that. You have your favorite targets, and it makes you feel good to look down on them. I guess we all need a reason to get up in the morning.

            But now you’ve gone after pitbulls too, and THAT! MEANS! WAR!

          • afchief

            The truth always offends!!! Does it not????

            December 19, 2015
            The Gay Agenda and the Real World
            By David Deming

            Thus we have come in a short period of forty years from regarding homosexuality as a criminal and immoral activity to one that is not only acceptable, but a lifestyle worth celebrating. Progressives view the gay agenda as the inevitable outcome of the moral evolution of the human race. In 2003, Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien bolstered his endorsement of gay marriage by explaining that “you have to look at history as an evolution of society.” Acceptance of homosexuality as normal and healthy is viewed as akin to the abolition of torture, slavery, and bear-baiting. It’s another milestone in a grand morality play featuring the inevitable triumph of reason and enlightenment over superstition and prejudice.

            There’s just one problem with the gay agenda: it’s based on a lie. Homosexuals are not like heterosexuals, nor is the practice of homosexuality innocuous. The single largest problem for the gay agenda is medical science. In 2014, the CDC found that men-who-have-sex-with-men (MSM), about 1 percent of the population, accounted for 83 percent of syphilis cases in the U.S. Syphilis, a disease that was once on the verge of eradication, is spreading like wildfire. According to the CDC, syphilis rates “are increasing at an alarming rate.” The statistics for AIDS are similar. In 2010, MSM were responsible for 63 percent of new AIDS cases in the US. The rate of anal cancer among MSM is seventeen times higher than among heterosexuals. It is alarming that the gay community exhibits no restraint and cannot be self-policing. Even school children know about condoms, yet venereal diseases rage unchecked through the population of gay men. A recent report in the medical literature found that infection rates for both gonorrhea and chlamydia are increasing among MSM.

            The fact that about two-thirds of syphilis and AIDS cases occur amongst one percent of the population tells us something that is immediate and unambiguous: that homosexuality is not an innocuous choice. What gay men do behind closed doors is fundamentally different from what heterosexuals usually do in their bedrooms. It’s also more dangerous. In 1975, when that young man appeared before my psychology class, and told us in all apparent sincerity, “I’m just like you,” he was lying.

            Statistical data on syphilis and AIDS are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. The CDC warns us that “many cases of chlamydia, gonorrhea, and syphilis continue to go undiagnosed and unreported.” Other STDS, including, human papillomavirus, herpes, and trichomoniasis, “are not routinely reported.” And now we have a new horror: a virulent strain of meningitis which strikes suddenly and can kill in a few hours. The Family Research Council describes the sexual practices of homosexuals as “a medical horror story.” Of course, the Family Research Council is a conservative advocacy organization. Nevertheless, their claims are backed up by references to the medical literature. Every thesis has to be evaluated on its intrinsic merits, not the aims and objectives of its advocates.

            Hypocrisy bothers me. Many of the same people who are enthusiastic about the gay agenda will denounce people who object to mandatory vaccinations. They remind us that vaccinations achieve the common good of reducing disease. But they won’t accept that restricting the practice of homosexuality achieves the same end. If you don’t accept climate alarmism, you’re called a denier of science. But what medical science says about homosexuality is ignored or derided as homophobic propaganda. We are informed, endlessly, of the costs of gun violence, cigarette smoking, and obesity. What is the cost of homosexuality? How much does it cost to treat syphilis, AIDS, and a whole host of other diseases? What cost will we bear for the reemergence of syphilis, a disease that was almost eradicated? Neither are these plagues limited to gays. Bisexual men spread them into the heterosexual population.

            I want to anticipate and answer the criticism that venereal diseases also occur among, and are spread by, heterosexuals. Yes, it’s true. Every disease that is commonplace among homosexuals also occurs among heterosexuals. Every dangerous or questionable practice engaged in by homosexuals is also found in the heterosexual population. Granting these facts, there are two reasons the argument fails. First, the primary difference is a matter of degree. When 1 percent of the population gives rise to 83 percent of the syphilis cases, we’re talking about a profound difference. Second, heterosexual sex must be tolerated because it’s necessary for the propagation of the human race. In contrast, homosexuality is completely sterile and practiced only for personal gratification and hedonistic pleasure.

            A lot of people will misunderstand what I am trying to accomplish with this essay. I’m not arguing that homosexuality is unnatural. The word “natural” is hopelessly ambiguous, and there are lots of “natural” things that most people would regard as bad. Examples include murder and the bubonic plague. My personal opinion is that homosexuality is usually ingrained, and not a matter of choice. I am certainly not advocating the persecution of gay people. I favor toleration of people who are different from the majority. I’m not advocating anything other than open discussion. I wrote this essay because I object to having a massive fraud foisted upon me. The gay agenda is based upon a lie.

            It is a medical fact that the practice of homosexuality tends to promote the spread of disease. If you don’t like or accept that fact, it’s just too bad. As the saying goes, you’re entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own facts. There is a logical and intelligible argument to be made for restricting and discouraging homosexuality that is not based upon religion but medical science. The moral opprobrium attached to homosexuality by our ancestors was not based on irrational prejudice but sound reasoning. Homosexuality ought to be tolerated, not celebrated.

          • NGN

            no, we just laugh at your idiocy

          • Reason2012

            Useful information people need to be aware of. Thank you!

          • Faithwalker

            Excellent research!

      • Breitbart Awakening

        Libtard…

      • afchief

        Matthew 7:13 (NASB) “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.

        It is apparent you are on the wide and broad road.

        • John N

          Oh, thank you. Is there any relevance or are you just random bible quoting?

    • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

      This is a great comment, but you have posted it before.

      • Reason2012

        Yes, the truth bears repeating since lies about the topic are so frequently repeated. :-/

    • afchief

      Well said!

  • BarkingDawg

    I bet they have a lot of cousins listed as parents on birth certificates in that state.

    • NGN

      LOL!

  • NGN

    This will only cost the Arkansas taxpayers even more in legal fees when this is brought to court, and it will be. These judges are only making themselves look like fools

  • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

    Why does a birth certificate even exist, if it is rewritten to political whims? At birth, every child has a father and a mother – just one father, and just one mother. There’s a place of birth too: these are facts, and they should be true. If the child is later adopted by others, why should the truth about the father and the mother be erased? (And, on the subject of arbitrarily rewriting birth certificates, who is this “Obama” chap anyhow?)

    • acontraryview

      So if donated sperm is used for insemination in cases where the husband is sterile, the name of the person who donated the sperm should be listed as the father?

      • Ambulance Chaser

        Zzzing!!

        • acontraryview

          Clearly.

      • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

        So one liberal horror justifies another. And the children? And their identity? Nobody cares about the stupid children. The blasted children must shut up and let the adults play their free sex games. They should never know where they come from: it’s got nothing to do with them. Horrible brats.

        • acontraryview

          “So one liberal horror justifies another. ”

          So a heterosexual couple using a sperm donor is a “liberal horror”? How so?

          I’ll ask again: if donated sperm is used for insemination in cases where the husband is sterile, the name of the person who donated the sperm should be listed as the father?

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            All you do is ask dumb questions. You don’t even try to understand the Christian point of view, nor answer questions yourself. An answer for your dumb question: same as adultery. Think about it: adultery is a problem even when the husband is okay his wife having children that way. If they are so happy, who gives the kids the right to be unhappy about it?

  • acontraryview

    Unfortunate they are spending state funds fighting the inevitable.

  • 201821208 :)

    “male and female created He them” Gen. 1:27​
    “And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from
    the beginning made them male and female” Matthew 19:4