Wyoming Commission Seeks to Remove Judge for Telling Media She Couldn’t Officiate ‘Gay Weddings’

Neely-compressedPINEDALE, Wy. — A judicial commission in Wyoming is calling for the removal of a municipal and circuit court judge after she told the media in 2014 that she would not be able to officiate same-sex unions due to her faith.

According to reports, Ruth Neely told a reporter for the Sublette Examiner in 2014 after a federal judge struck down the state’s ban on same-sex “marriage” that she personally could not take part in the officiation.

“I will not able to do them,” Neely stated. “We have at least one magistrate who will do same-sex marriages, but I will not be able to. … When law and religion conflict, choices have to be made.”

She made clear that her personal inability would not stop homosexuals from finding a local judge to officiate.

In January of last year, following a complaint from Democratic Party Chairwoman Ana Cuprill, the Wyoming Commission on Judicial Conduct and Ethics launched an investigation into Neely’s remarks.

It soon issued her a notice of that disciplinary proceedings would commence. Neely was accused of violating six rules of judicial conduct, including that she “manifested a bias” by her statement and therefore possessed prejudice in regard to so-called sexual orientation.

Neely, who has served as judge for over 20 years, has never been asked to officiate a same-sex ceremony. According to the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, judges in Pinedale are not required to handle nuptials, but can if they desire.

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“As the town judge, she does not perform marriages. That is not part of the description of the work of a town judge,” Mayor Bob Jones told the Sublette Examiner in 2014.

However, the Commission advised Neely during the disciplinary proceedings that if she admitted wrongdoing and resigned her position, and agreed to never again run for judicial office, it would drop the matter. She declined.

The Commission then asked Neely in February if she would issue a public apology for her statement and agree to officiate same-sex ceremonies. She replied that she could not because of her religious convictions.

Therefore, the Commission recommended to the Wyoming Supreme Court that Neely be removed from office.

Now, religious liberty groups and lawmakers in the state are expressing concern that the Commission is seeking that Neely “be banned for life from the judiciary and pay up to $40,000 in fines merely for stating that her faith prevents her from personally performing same-sex weddings.”

“By the commission’s logic, jurists like Chief Justice John G. Roberts and Associate Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito, Jr., of the United States Supreme Court could not sit on the bench in Wyoming,” Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), which is representing Neely in court, outlined in legal briefs. “Not only have they written opinions explaining their view that the U.S. Constitution does not include a right to same-sex marriage, but also they (like Judge Neely) ascribe to a religious tradition that precludes them from celebrating a same-sex marriage.”

ADF also points to the Wyoming Constitution to note that those who hold public office cannot be deemed incompetent or ineligible because of their religion.

“The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship without discrimination or preference shall be forever guaranteed in this state, and no person shall be rendered incompetent to hold any office of trust or profit, or to serve as a witness or juror because of his opinion on any matter of religious belief whatever,” Article 1, Section 18 reads. “But the liberty of conscience hereby secured shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness or justify practices inconsistent with the peace or safety of the state.”

On Monday, dozens of current and former legislators filed a petition in support of Neely with the Wyoming Supreme Court.

“As a local LGBT couple who actually knows Judge Neely put it: Punishing Judge Neely for her religious beliefs would be ‘obscene and offensive,'” Becket Fund legal counsel Daniel Blomberg said in a statement. “They were right. In America, the government doesn’t get to punish people for their religious beliefs—especially not for beliefs that the U.S. Supreme Court itself, in the very opinion that recognized same-sex marriage, said were ‘decent and honorable’ and held ‘in good faith by reasonable and sincere people.'”


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  • bowie1

    Don’t judges sometimes say they will not be hearing a case without giving a reason?

    • gizmo23

      A marriage is not a trial

      • Gal5:22-23

        True, solemnization of a civil contract is more like being a notary, validating a contract signed by the people entering it. All official solemnizations are secular and don’t involve any particular religion.

      • bowie1

        I was talking generally.

      • MEP1101

        Dear gizmo23 – many marriages are trials !

    • Peter Leh

      bowie, are you bob?

      • bowie1

        Yes.

        • Peter Leh

          ok.. i like you better as Bowie1 ( just kidding)

          good to know, brother

  • 201821208 :)

    gotquestions dot org/gay-marriage dot html

  • Ronald Carter

    “Municipal and circuit court judge”

    Well then, you have no excuse to refuse to do your job, your “honor”.

    • The Last Trump

      Sure she does.
      She is only now being asked to do what she knows is wrong.
      And so, being a person of great character, she refuses. No matter the personal cost.
      That’s a little something called courage. Look it up.

      • Ronald Carter

        Ah, welcome to Last Trumpville, where the true believers and absolute followers are easy to spot because their courage (read: evangelical zealotry) landed them in jail because God told them the law was wrong.

        Always a pleasure, Last Trump.

        • The Last Trump

          The pleasure is all yours, Muffin. As usual.
          Hey, how’s the gang back at your hatesite of bigotry and intolerance?
          You guys are still trolling Christian websites 24/7 feverishly attempting to convert the saved back into the “lost” fold, eh?
          Good luck! “Ron”. 🙂

          • Ronald Carter

            So we have “troll” – coming from the guy who insists and taunts that he has Jesus’s direct words about homosexuality, when you have nothing.

            We have “bigotry and intolerance” coming from a guy who openly mocks homosexuals and the transgendered – which I have never done.

            We have me now as part of a TEAM of trolls seemingly intent on spending all our time on Christian websites when this is my only one, unless there are a plethora of Ron Carters wreaking havoc elsewhere…

            The tinfoil hat brigade is a terribly unhappy place to end up, Last Trump. Embrace reality, don’t fight it.

          • The Last Trump

            “seemingly intent on spending all our time on Christian websites when this is my only one”
            Folks, I wonder if he understood what he just wrote.
            Probably not.
            Troll on brother!

          • Ronald Carter

            There’s no fourth wall, here, Last Trump. No audience of imaginary adoring fans for you to be addressing when you say “folks”. There’s just you and me here, and I’m calling you out, and you don’t like it. Because whether you like it or not, you’re extremely easy to call out. Still waiting for that proof you have about what Jesus said about homosexuality. We both know he said nothing, Last Trump, a fact that is extremely easy to verify. And despite your lies and paranoia, I’m somehow the “troll” here. I don’t “troll Christian websites 24/7” as you have charged. I ask questions and call out hypocrisy and hatred when I encounter it, and you don’t get yourself into trouble because you’re a Christian. You get yourself into trouble because you seem incapable of speaking the truth about anything, which is a very strange quality for a “Christian” to have. And if being a “Christian” means talking smack about gay people and the transgendered by calling them “perverts” as you do, how come I don’t know any Christians who do that? Ah, must be because they aren’t TRUE Christians™ like you are.

            Now. Do you want to talk about things that your imagation conjures up, or do you want to talk about facts? You decide and get back to me.

  • Gal5:22-23

    Similar to if she stated she would never do a mixed race wedding. The question is, why did she state it when she doesn’t perform official marriage solemnizations at all?

    And the obvious solution is apologize for the biased statement and agree that – if she performs any marriage solemnizations at all as part of her official duties – she will also do for couples regardless of bias, and then not do ANY official marriage solemnizations .

    Locally, our judges only perform marriage solemnizations officially by voluntarily putting themselves on a ‘call roster’ at the courthouse, those that can’t do them as the law requires don’t put their name on the roster – problem solved.

    My guess is that the Supreme Court will find a middle ground. Obviously she can’t refuse couples as part of her official duties at the courthouse, but as long as she treats all such couples equally, not doing them for anyone, there should be no violation of the law or ethics.

    • Peter Leh

      “Similar to if she stated she would never do a mixed race wedding. The
      question is, why did she state it when she doesn’t perform official
      marriage solemnizations at all?”

      I dont see it as inflammatory as others, what is refreshing it to she her do the ethical thing and not over see ANY…. something the bakers, florists, Bed and breakfast, can;t seem to understand.

      I mean, i though we conservative were suppose to know business BETTER that the libs… yet it seems we are the one’s running on emotion (what we accuse libs of doing)

      “My guess is that the Supreme Court will find a middle ground. Obviously
      she can’t refuse couples as part of her official duties at the
      courthouse, but as long as she treats all such couples equally, not
      doing them for anyone, there should be no violation of the law or
      ethics.”

      And this is where i think her argument will be contradicted. If she treats a SSM according to the laws of the land, say in a divorce or will, is she not acknowledging the legitimacy and “participating” in the very same thing she is initially refusing? That knife cuts both ways, no?

  • 201821208 :)

    “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.” Rom. 1:26-27

    • This style ten and six

      The Constitution trumps the bible.

      • 201821208 :)

        “a false witness will utter lies” Proverbs 14:5

    • Peter Leh

      so what does this have to do with equal protection under the law for american citizens based on the above story?

  • Peter Leh

    ““As the town judge, she does not perform marriages. That is not part of
    the description of the work of a town judge,” Mayor Bob Jones told the
    Sublette Examiner in 2014.”

    I believe if the judge performs NO marriages then she is safe…. just like the bakers would be

    but if she officiates any marriage at all she must officiate all… just like the bakers

  • Nidalap

    We’ve been largely protected from serious persecution in this country due to the nature of it’s government. Now that it’s going through its “fundamental transformation”, that protection is coming to an end.
    Strap in, folks. It’s going to get kinda rough! 🙂

    • Peter Leh

      no one is being persecuted. the judge had a choice and made the ethical one… no ceremonies at all. If only the bakers, and florists were so ethical

      • Nidalap

        They were. True ethics do not shift with the winds of popularity…

        • Peter Leh

          there is no persecution is there is choice. Bakers choose to serve some but not all and were rightfully cited, The judge chose to withdraw completely form overseeing ceremonies and will keep her position.

          dont confuse faux persecution with poor business choices

          • Nidalap

            Of course there is persecution. You don’t see it as persecution because you believe they deserve it. Lots of anti-Christian propaganda force-fed a population over decades will tend to produce that mindset…

          • gizmo23

            Tell me how many elected officials are not Christians.? How many TV and radio stations do Christians own?
            Just because society is not in lockstep with your brand, and mine by the way, doesn’t mean we are being persecuted

          • Peter Leh

            “Of course there is persecution. You don’t see it as persecution because you believe they deserve it.”

            They deserve it because they have a choice.. therefore they CHOSE the consequences.

            Touch the hot stove or dont.. but dont complain or blame others for your burns.

            If someone took my hand and burned it on the stove against my will.. that is persecution.

            Choice does not a martyr make

        • gizmo23

          Sure they do. Cultural norms are constantly changing. i.e. civil rights, role of women, treatment of children.

          • Nidalap

            Yet, through all, the Word remains constant. Immutable by the whims of Man…

          • gizmo23

            Bible interpretation is driven by culture

          • Nidalap

            Nope. It takes the Spirit to truly divine the Word. Unchanging both…

          • gizmo23

            Then why do we have so many different Bibles and why has it changed over the years?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yes, the Word remains constant. So more and more people just ignore it. Hence, ethics change.

          • The Last Trump

            Yes. They disappear, as it turns out.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            So am I to assume that you go swimming in a full-length bathing costume, because modern bathing suits don’t meet the modesty standards of Victorian society?

    • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

      It may get bumpy and rough . It may seem as if we are loosing the Battle. But in the end it will be God who wins all the battles 🙂 God will restore all we lost.

      • gizmo23

        I don’t even see how this is a battle. Christians enjoy more freedom and power in the USA than any other group

      • Josey

        amen Lady, soon and very soon we are going to see our King, hallelujah!

        • Gal5:22-23

          And He will judge all with mercy they have shown others. There are many people who want to rush to see the King but might be disappointed with the actual result.

        • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

          Amen. I believe we are the Generation who will see our King. Hallelujah may it be soon. No matter how bad it will get for us who believe, when we see our King it will all be worth the price we will pay for believing in Him.

    • gizmo23

      What a bunch of bunk. Christian have more power and freedom in this country than any other group

      • Nidalap

        Really now, Mogwai. That’s just a talking point. Look and see truth for yourself.

        • gizmo23

          Where is this terrible persecution?

        • Peter Leh

          i think the martyrs of the faith are looking at “american persecution” and scathing their heads.. if not weeping…over our baby faith and maturity

          • Nidalap

            True, but only one who is willfully ignorant cannot see the pattern forming here…

          • Peter Leh

            pattern of equal protection for all american citizens or the pattern of christians belly aching while actively prohibiting said equal protection since 1845?

            Oh my brother, there is indeed WILLFUL ignorance going on in the brethren.

          • Nidalap

            How could the bakers have been persecuting their customers? They served them right up to the point they were asked to make a product for a false facsimile of marriage. Even then, they had the all-important choice to go elsewhere. 🙂

          • Gal5:22-23

            The bakery is not respecting their civil rights of belief, sex, and sexual orientation as required by law.

          • Nidalap

            The law requires protection of religion too. Only some laws are important, I guess, Hmm? 🙂

          • Gal5:22-23

            The beliefs of the customer and their right to have same-sex marriages? Sure. If the moral business owner couldn’t sell to people of all beliefs they wouldn’t have made the offer to the public in the first place.

          • gizmo23

            Where does the Bible even say what a marriage ceremony is? How is refusing to make a cake for a party persecution.
            It seems like there always has to be a political enemy for the Christian faith to survive

          • Nidalap

            From the beginning, Adam and Eve. As God set it up, one man, one woman. Anything else is not a true marriage.
            In asking for a cake for a “gay wedding”, they were asking the bakers to recognize it as an actual marriage. They don’t have to do that. Freedom of religion.
            Political enemy, huh? Yes, the force of law is starting to be used against Christianity in this nation. You shall see more force being used soon enough. If you have nothing to anchor you in place, you will be swayed with the tide then too…

          • gizmo23

            Morality is no concern of the state when it comes to marriage. It is just a legal contract

          • Ambulance Chaser

            No, all laws are important. It’s just that public accommodation non-discrimination laws don’t violate the Free Exercise Clause.

          • Peter Leh

            If they persecuted their customers they would be in jail for assault. business has nothing to do with it … try again

    • rebel42

      The U.S.A. has only been great because of its moral and Christian traditions.

    • Peter Leh

      why? where is her persecution?

  • Toro Keng

    ”When law and religion conflict, choices have to be made.”

    …..end of story.

    • Bob Johnson

      So, I suppose she would support stoning misbehaving children.

      • The Last Trump

        You don’t? “Bob”.

      • Toro Keng

        Is her religion mentioned about stoning misbehaving children ?

    • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

      And as for me I choose God.

      • Gal5:22-23

        Then you would resign if that prevented you from doing your judicial duties. Justice Scalia wrote an article about that in 2002 and said if a judge’s ‘conscience’ couldn’t let them obey the law they would be morally obligated to step down from the bench.

        Or, as in this case, they could just voluntarily obey the law if they had a choice to not performing that duty, and take that option – performing no civil marriages for anyone.

      • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

        No matter what Gal5:22-23 say to me SIGH shakes head. I will choose God over his/her words to me. It is God that I trust not the man/woman behind the user “Gal5:23-23”

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    USA needs religious freedom. Nations that depart from Biblical teachings always become unjust tyrants. USA is not exception. Democracy only works with Christian moral people. USA must not force its own depraved immoral culture upon other nations. People have rights to the truth, morality, and life.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Good evening, precious Sister Grace! Thank you for honoring our presence with your wisdom.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Thank you, I’m humbled. Americans brought the Gospel into Asia and USA rescued my mother countries and fatherland from evil imperialists and brutal atheists last century; I’m forever indebted to you. May God richly bless and protect American Christians. We will fight together for liberty and fairness in the land. If USA loses freedom of conscience, so many nations will, too. USA practically has the key lifeline for so many peoples as you know. God saves us.

    • Peter Leh

      if you notice the judge stopped ALL wedding ceremonies. As is the ethical thing to do if you do not agree. She is not require to perform wedding ceremonies at all.

      neither are bakers or florists.

      you get in trouble when you serve one group but refuse service to another. That is why the
      baker and florist got in trouble and this judge will not

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Being Christian is good. Being colored or being white is God’s creation. Being homosexual or transgender is a willful sinful choice. LGBT and their supporters need safety and certain rights( NOT including marriage or access to children) as others since Jesus gave sexual offenders unspecified time for repentance. The Western culture lost moral sense by losing Christianity. You need the Holy Bible to know what is right and wrong. It’s been crazy wrong for you to put the colored people and sexually sinful people in the same category. Sin has no equal rights with anything. Unrepentant sinners need callings for repentance to get a life.

        • Peter Leh

          “It’s been crazy wrong for you to put the colored people and sexually sinful people in the same category.”

          they are in the same category of protected groups.. not that they are the same thing or equal

          if you dont live in america you might not know their are protected groups. These protected groups are not all based on immutable characteristics. : “race, age, sex, religion, disability, sexual orientation”

          take religion for example. religion is a choice. people choose and even change their religion. yet religion is part of the protected class.

          So a baker or florist cannot serve a jew then refuse the same service to a muslim. However they can legally refuse service to all religious people.

          The judge is not required to oversee wedding ceremonies. But if she oversees one then she oversees all. She choice to not oversee any… which is discriminatory but legal

          hope that helps

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Every group is a protected group including the white Christian Evangelicals. Sinful practices must never be forced for endorsement as it is in today’s West and its servant nations. No one can force anyone to provide service to gay wedding which is not real wedding at all. Marriage is between one man and one woman. Period. All else are sinful falsehood. Rights and freedom are granted to the people by the Holy Bible, the Word of God, to do what is right. Judges must retain freedom of conscience according to the truth as well. Today’s Post-christian secular Western nations do not have proper freedom for moral people because you guys apply racial equality falsely upon sexually sinful people. What is immutable is alone God’s Word, not the present West’s Sodomic culture and custom.

          • Peter Leh

            so you understand why the judge will not get in trouble because she is discriminating LEGALLY and the bakers and the florist are getting into trouble because they discriminate ILLEGALLY?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Sodom’s legality means not a thing. Forcing Christians to endorse homosexuality or transgender is a human rights abuse in the foundational level. Secular USA is just desiring to bend Christian conscience like Nazi Germany did, opposing the freedom of conscience. Your constitution is just another piece of paper, without Christian virtues. American Founding Fathers never expected USA to become a bully against the Christian conscience. Wake up.

          • Peter Leh

            “Sodom’s legality means not a thing.”

            it did to those charged crimes for it as american citizens, and was put in jail.. some had their frontal lobes cut out

            “Forcing Christians to endorse homosexuality or transgender is a human rights abuse in the foundational level.”

            it is indeed . no one should be forced to endorse homosexuality. Moreover……. no one has.

            you think the KKK as endorsed support for the black community? HMM?

            “American Founding Fathers never expected USA to become a bully against the Christian conscience. Wake up”

            especially since they were all christians yes? Yet, they still had the conscience to not make this country a theocracy.

            so back to the subject at hand: equal protection laws and business. As a business owner (and i am a business owner, btw) I can discriminate and turn away homosexuals… but i have to do it LEGALLY just as this judge has done.

            But if i turn them away the way the bakers and the florist did… i would be in just as much trouble.

            so IF i can do it… IF this judge can do it… SO can the others.

            Choice does not a Martyr make. But those in power over others sure do complain when they lose that power over others.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Nations who legalize evil are wrong. America needs the Church for sanity and guidance. You don’t feel the weight of oppression because you are on the bullies’ side and not on the oppressed. USA was created to be a theocracy. Read Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence, and national anthem. Americans are to submit to God alone and to no other. Americans have no conscience apart from Christianity. Everyone has rights to keep a clear conscience and to deny service to falsehood and sins – that is the freedom of conscience. Liberty was established to keep the Word of God, not to be bullied by Sodomic America. Having faith is a choice, but Christianity created USA therefore Americans must obey to the Holy Bible to be lawful and decent. No submission to the Western Sodomites; such submission is lawlessness.

          • Peter Leh

            “You don’t feel the weight of oppression because you are on the bullies’ side and not on the oppressed”

            on the contrary i am on the oppressed side. have you read the history of the southern baptist church? they were/are against freedom for black women and gays.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Southern Baptists are good people. Sound doctrines and a lot of civility which mankind can mimic after and learn from. Black people obtained freedom by reading the Holy Bible and appealing to the Christian conscience of the white people. Foreign slaves would not adopt slave owners’ religion if the slave owners were really only evil and illiterate. Whatever the abuse the white people did to other races, their religion of Christianity is superb and incomparably good upon all of the Planet Earth. The white Christian missionaries were the best species among mankind.

            Christianity with access to the Holy Bible is the only superior thing in the Western civilization. God blessed the Westerners of yesteryears because of their determination to spread the Christianity. Gays need God’s truth and callings for repentance from the Christians. Telling the truth is a good act and not bullying. Being colored and being sexually immoral are two different matters. Christian West had countless good and excellent things, but mankind cannot submit to the Sodomic West; it is too destructive to global children. The West needs Christianity for salvation and morality and mental wellness.

          • Peter Leh

            “The Southern Baptists are good people”

            Many are, indeed..

            Grace did you know the SBC was formed in 1845 for the expressed purposed of continuing the god given right to own slaves?

            The SBC was prohibiting equal protection of black american citizens.. .. for 150 years until their apology in 1995 (150 years later)

            “Black people obtained freedom by reading the Holy Bible and appealing to the Christian conscience of the white people.”

            um…. grace, the blacks got their freedom by americans murdering other americans wholesale. They did not get their freedom by asking the southern baptist in a nice way. They ( the north) killed us until we surrendered and we gave up our slaves.

            History may be of assistance to you documenting those on the wrong side of history and the constitution…. southern baptist and southern christians consistently have be on that wrong side… though they were on the RIGHT side biblically ( slavery, authority over women, homosexuals etc etc))

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are incorrect. SBC was formed to evangelize common people throughout the USA. They were the best kind of Christians to colored people, and that’s why many colored belong to SBC today. Secular Westerners keep making fake apologies; if they are really sorry for the Western civilization’s past crimes, they must never force Sodomy upon the nations by using filthy money and filthy power. Racists are morally better than pervs because cotton-picking is nobler than sex slavery. Yes, the black people obtained freedom by reading the Holy Bible because God’s Book says every man and woman is equal. Secular Westerners know nothing about equality’s origin because you guys are illiterate on the Holy Bible and are addicted to immorality. Immorality causes blindness. The Southerners are the best Americans; they have a lot of things to copy and learn from for the entire Earthlings. You guys dislike them and slander them only because you do not wish Texas to get independence.

          • Peter Leh

            “You are incorrect. SBC was formed to evangelize common people throughout
            the USA. They were the best kind of Christians to colored people, and
            that’s why many colored belong to SBC today”

            Sister grace, I respectful ask you pick up a history book and read.

            they history of the SBC is before us all. Ignorance is not a christian virtue.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Americans must stop attacking SBC, one of the best Christian denominations on earth. Races have always treated each other with suspicions for the sake of safety everywhere on earth for all eras. The white people happened to be the strongest for a time because they possessed the Holy Bible. Opposing inter-racial marriage is not racism, by the way. Most of normal tribes and clans are that way.

          • Peter Leh

            oh dear, my poor grace.

            ignorance is indeed bliss.

            Again… HISTORY is for all to read. the good and bad. you cant move forward until one embraced their past.

            “Races have always treated each other with suspicions for the sake of safety everywhere on earth for all eras.”

            safety or power? Yes the powerful were concerned of their safety if equality was reached…. because they knew they had it coming to them for the abuse.

            “The white people happened to be the strongest for a time because they possessed the Holy Bible”

            and used it to their advantage to enslave others. The Southern Baptist broke off with the Baptists over their god give right to own a slave in 1845. they apologized for it in 1995.

            Yet the SBC continued to prohibit equal protection of american citizens. So given they continued the very prohibition that apologized for shows the SBC was sorry at all.

            “Opposing inter-racial marriage is not racism, by the way. ”

            I would THINK to oppose interracial marriage based on race is the very definition of racism.

            LOL

          • Bob Johnson

            Why won’t people accept history for what it is? Must it always have a happy ending and must we always be the good guys?

            And all of this “the end is nigh” makes a strange contrast with Steven Pinker’s, “The Better Angles of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined”.

          • Peter Leh

            Yep

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It’s a historic and current fact that SBC is the best denomination in USA. They did the good for all people better than any other religious bodies did. All peoples fought for powers and territories and self-preservation; what planet are you from? Every race and every tribe used slavery and still are. Everyone must apologize to each other. The world should be thankful because the Christian West did not sleep around but knocked out the illiterate men who enslaved women and children and the minorities.

            Present West should apologize to the world for blaspheming and forcing the Sodomic culture and funding abortion. Rich pervs are always blood-thirsty for depraved amusement by trying to bend poor people’s conscience. Your racist ancestors are actually better than you morally. Single-raced peoples desire to preserve racial purity and the Western culture has no right to call disliking of inter-racial marriage as racism. Nations have different situations on such thing. Christianity educates everyone to treat everyone equally and fairly. Secularism only promotes depravity.

          • Peter Leh

            “Your racist ancestors are actually better than you morally. Single-raced peoples desire to preserve racial purity and the Western
            culture has no right to call disliking of inter-racial marriage as
            racism.”

            oh dear… and for everyone to read.

            “The world should be thankful because the Christian West did not sleep
            around but knocked out the illiterate men who enslaved women and
            children and the minorities.”

            the one how enslaved women, children and minorities were the southern baptists. We are not thankful for what the southern baptists did to define racial relationship in the USA

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. The Southern Baptists freed peoples everywhere on Planet Earth. You secular Westerners never study history and constantly only have drinking parties and watch Hollywood trash and cartoons and that’s why you are completely ignorant of the real world. Racism is wrong, but so are illiteracy, barbarism, and demon-worships are. You Westerners do not know the real world on Planet Earth because you’ve been always well-protected by the Christianity. You scorn it now out of having full stomach and boredom, and that’s why your civilization is turning into a Sodom this century. Enough of the atrocities by the West, any case. If you are sorry for your colonization, stop spreading your mental illness into the world this century. People have rights to sanity. No more slavery to the rich pervs. Desire for bullying is in your blood, and you guys are seeking evil amusement by trying to bend the Christian conscience in America. Nothing is new under the sun. Be Christian and stay sane and civilized.

          • Peter Leh

            “You are wrong.”

            I am quoting from the SBC WEBSITE

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Americans are unaware that the Southern Baptists freed slaves all over the world. Get re-education on SBC.

          • Peter Leh

            “Americans are unaware that the Southern Baptists freed slaves all over the world. Get re-education on SBC.”
            Yes the do.

            after they held the blacks in slavery for 250 years and kept the black community as close to slavery from 1865 to their apology in 1995

            “Get re-education on SBC”

            whoa that is liberal speak.. the klien got “re-educated” remember? 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            But the Southern Baptists are the best Americans to be around for all Earthlings. They have so much to learn from and mimic after. Re-education is mentioned because you’ve been brainwashed by the liberals. You guys will make apologies on Judgment Day regarding forcing depravity upon the people, but it’ll be too late for you. You just want to bully the Christians instead of colored people this century.

          • Peter Leh

            “because you guys”

            who is “you guys”?

            “The Southerners are the best Americans; they have a lot of things to
            copy and learn from for the entire Earthlings. You guys are slandering
            the Southerners only because you do not wish Texas to get independence”

            i would also suggest you not tell this southern christian texan what he is and is not doing from afar. 🙂

            That is pretty arrogant on your part, no?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            “You guys” = secular Americans. I found too many Americans slandering the South especially Texas. The Liberals’ headquater must be located in the North and in the Northwest. Now you guys are oppressing the entire world for not-adhering to your sexually depraved culture. Poor Abraham Lincoln. What has become of his USA? Sad. You guys need SBC to become normal again, all of you.

          • Peter Leh

            “”You guys” = secular Americans”

            you mean “you guys= who disagree with Grace”

            you must know quite a few “secular guys”. No grace…. just because one disagrees does not make one “secular”

            “I found too many Americans slandering the South especially Texas”

            I am a Texan. I live in Texas. I am a southerner. History is not slander. Embrace it.

            “Now you guys are oppressing the entire world for not-adhering to your sexually depraved culture.”

            I dont think so. the one’s “oppressing” seem to be the one’s withholding equal protection of american citizens. It is indeed depraved to withhold equal rights just like the SBC did since 1845 to the blacks, women and gays.

            “Poor Abraham Lincoln. What has become of his USA?”

            you mean big government, anti-constitutional Abe Linclon? You know how many laws he broke to keep the Union together? He FORCED the SBC to treat blacks equally under the law….. the same argument you are using you use against the government “forcing” americans to treat homosexual equally under the law.

            Will you please be consistent? you lack of history is shouting over what ever inconsistent point is attempting to be made.

          • rebel42

            Right on Kim!

          • rebel42

            Gender (sex)is protected, not sexuall orientation. Too bad, you lose!

          • Peter Leh

            “Gender (sex)is protected, not sexuall orientation”

            in Wyoming?

            if so then why did the judge stop overseeing all weddings when she did not need to… according to your statement?

          • rebel42

            She is not mandated to perform any marriage officiation. She sometimes does them when she is asked, but only is she wants to do them. It is not a part of her personal job description.

          • Peter Leh

            I agree

            the article states:

            ““As the town judge, she does not perform marriages. That is not part of
            the description of the work of a town judge,” Mayor Bob Jones told the
            Sublette Examiner in 2014.”

            were are you seeing she ” She sometimes does them when she is asked, but only is she wants to do them.” ?

  • Eileen Dennis

    They should leve the chistians alone and not force them to do something they don’t want to do if we can’t make a gay guy straight or a tranny why should you fore a Christian to do what you want not fair we have bigger problems in the world then to fight or own Americans

  • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

    Religious faith is personal. Christians r to practice judgment only at home n in Church, n not outside the Church n at the work-place. Outside the Church n at their work-place, Christians should not try to stop others if they hv decided to go to the dark-side.
    ……. Hence, at MATT.22:21, Jesus Christ told the Jews to pay exorbitant govt-taxes( > 10%) = “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”, even though God’s/ /Moses Law only mandated a 10% tax/tithe, for the poor n rich alike.

  • MEP1101

    Legality is the authority of civil government, but Morality is the authority of Religion. This is a SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE and a system of checks and balances. Government officials, such as presidents and judges, do not get their moral values from government but from their religions which have codified moral guides. Historically, government laws dealing with moral issues such as sexuality and the killing of humans have been based on the religious morals of the majority of the population; Christianity in the U.S. and Europe.
    The U.S. Government is now dictating what is sexually moral by forcing the LGBT-(Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) AGENDA on Business and the Military. And with the expressed support for abortion by Democrat politicians and the OBAMACARE ABORTION MANDATE, the government is ruling that MURDERING BABIES is NOT IMMORAL. It has done this in opposition to the RELIGIOUS MORALS of the Majority and their DEMOCRATIC VOTE. In this way the U.S. government with the complicity of the Marxist, Main Stream Media has become a tyrannical, anti-Christian, STATE/CHURCH, DICTATORSHIP, with Obama as its Pope, just the opposite of a democratic government with checks and balances and separation of Church and State. This is a prominent part of the End Times Anti-Christ prophesied in the Bible, and right on time. And here we are in 1984, NEW SPEAK where “Separation of Church and State” means THE STATE IS THE CHURCH ! – The Bible is, in deed, THE BOOK OF TRUTH !