Teacher Who Identifies as ‘Neither’ Awarded $60,000 After Co-Workers Wouldn’t Call Her ‘They’

Soell-compressedGRESHAM, Ore. — A female elementary school teacher who says she neither identifies as male nor female has been awarded $60,000 in a settlement with her school district after she lodged a complaint that her co-workers continued to refer to her as a woman and wouldn’t call her “they.”

The 25-year-old teacher at Hall Elementary School, who now goes by the name Leo Soell, had told her friends in 2013 that she did not feel that she identified as either male or female. However, she did not reveal her feelings to her employers with the Gresham-Barlow School District, who continued to refer to her by her female name and pronoun.

In November of the following year, Soell was diagnosed with breast cancer. After obtaining a mastectomy and reconstructive surgery to make her chest look more masculine, Soell approached the district to advise that she had changed her name to Leo as she identified as “genderqueer” or “transmasculine,” and desired to be referred to as “they.”

According to reports, the district told teachers not to refer to Soell as “they” in front of students due to concerns about age appropriateness. It instead instructed to reply if students asked if Soell was a man or woman, “We all have private lives, and it would not be appropriate to talk about our private lives during the school day.”

In Soell’s complaint, she alleged that teachers continued to refer to her as “she” or “Miss Soell,” and some called her a lady. So she and a teacher’s union field a grievance and the district hired a transgender advocacy group to provide training for teachers.

But Soell says that some teachers continued to refuse to call her “they” in front of parents and children, and one “berated” a child who corrected a teacher for using the pronoun “she.” She also claims that teachers suddenly began using the gender-neutral restroom, which made her wait longer to be able to use the lavatory.

The district launched an investigation into Soell’s complaint, but did not find any evidence of harassment.

  • Connect with Christian News

Therefore, Soell hired an attorney, who informed the district of their intent to file a complaint with the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries. The district then suggested a settlement.

According to The Oregonian, the agreement includes a $60,000 payment to Soell for emotional distress and attorneys fees. Officials also agreed to make gender neutral restrooms available at all schools within the district. Hall Elementary School now has only gender neutral restrooms, and teachers are required to call Soell “they” under the possibility of discipline or dismissal.

“So people can basically force us—on pain of massive legal liability—to say what they want us to say, whether or not we want to endorse the political message associated with that term, and whether or not we think it’s a lie,” attorney Eugene Volokh recently wrote for the Washington Post in decrying a newly-established transgender law in New York City.

“We have to call people ‘him’ and ‘her’ even if we believe that people’s genders are determined by their biological sex and not by their self-perceptions—perceptions that, by the way, can rapidly change, for those who are ‘gender-fluid’—and that using terms tied to self-perception is basically a lie,” he said.


A special message from the publisher...

Dear Reader, our hearts are deeply grieved by the ongoing devastation in Iraq, and through this we have been compelled to take a stand at the gates of hell against the enemy who came to kill and destroy. Bibles for Iraq is a project to put Arabic and Kurdish audio Bibles into the hands of Iraqi and Syrian refugees—many of whom are illiterate and who have never heard the gospel.Will you stand with us and make a donation today to this important effort? Please click here to send a Bible to a refugee >>

Print Friendly
  • The Last Trump

    And … here we go again!
    Gee, didn’t see THAT coming!
    Doesn’t “identify” (?) as male OR female! And folks didn’t happen to guess right!? Discrimination!!!
    Yeah. $60,000 seems appropriate.
    In Bizarro Amerika.
    You really can’t make this stuff up. Just keeps getting crazier by the hour.

    • Ronald Carter

      And this affects your life how, Last Trump?

      • august589

        It affects all of our lives because the precedent has now been set. If I should decide to use a pronoun based on the person’s biological sex–in other words, how that person was born–or if I make an honest mistake in referring to someone by the incorrect pronoun, then I can be sanctioned for my beliefs or mistake, up to the pain of being fired from my job. So, yes, this affects all of us because the precedent has now been set in that we are now to defer to 0.03% of the population who somehow “feel” different than how they (plural) were actually born.

        • Ronald Carter

          If that aspect of the story were true, I might be inclined to agree with you. But it doesn’t appear that it is. The person in question suffered harassment and was not paid money because they weren’t being called “they”.

      • TheBottomline4This

        How does it affect your life Ronny?

        • Ronald Carter

          It doesn’t.

      • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

        This affects all Americans actually. That’s our hard-earned tax dollars going into stupid court cases over ridiculous & ludicrous behaviors. That’s money taken out of a school system that could have been spent supplying books, better training, feeding the children that come from poverty-stricken homes? If you’re an American, it affects you.

        • TheBottomline4This

          Ronny is gay and supportive of the bill, so don’t waste your time…unless you want to 🙂

          • Ronald Carter

            I’m not gay but if I were it wouldn’t matter.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Well several on here think you are. Sorry about that…my bad.

          • Ronald Carter

            Couldn’t care less. Nothing wrong with being gay.

          • TheBottomline4This

            In the practice of it…yes there is.

          • Ronald Carter

            According to who?

          • TheBottomline4This

            The one you don’t believe in…God.

          • Ronald Carter

            No, a book that claims to speak for God did.

          • TheBottomline4This

            No, the One you don’t believe in…God.
            If you get a letter from your Grandma, you don’t believe the letter if she tells you something, you believe your Grandma who told you something.
            It’s God you don’t believe.

          • Ronald Carter

            First of all, how do you think it makes you look when you tell me my beliefs rather than ask me? Don’t you think I know them better than you? It so happens I believe in God, and that that God says nothing about homosexuality.

            Secondly, there are many Gods people can and do believe in. I’m glad you think yours is the only correct one. But the reality is you can believe in God without being a Christian.

          • TheBottomline4This

            “It so happens I believe in God, and that that God says nothing about homosexuality.”
            You don’t know God then. You may know a god, but not God.

          • Ronald Carter

            That is a matter of opinion then, and I think you know that.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You don’t know God then. You may know a god, but not God.

          • Ronald Carter

            So when logic fails, go for repetition. Got it.

          • The Last Trump

            Folks, you’ll have to forgive “Ron”.
            He thinks if he types in “Got it. Thanks” at the end of every post, then he’s actually won something! Liberals, right? I know! 🙂
            Please try to be good little politically correct followers and just play along.
            Ok? Thanks.

          • Ronald Carter

            The sanctimonious talking to the crowd tells anyone reading all they need to know about you, Last Trump. But I have every confidence you will learn to stand on your own two feet like everyone else before long. Don’t give up!

          • The Last Trump

            Got it. Thanks.
            So…..
            What’d I win? 😉

          • Ronald Carter

            I don’t know, why don’t you ask the throng of imaginary adoring admirers you always turn to when you’re getting upset?

          • TheBottomline4This

            lol

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Got it. 🙂

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Got it. : )

          • TheBottomline4This

            What I said about it is logic. You just don’t get it.

          • Ronald Carter

            “My God is better than your God” isn’t logic.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Yes it is silly, since there is only one God. There are other gods, which seems to be your thang, but hey, go with it Ronny.

          • Ronald Carter

            Of course. Only one God. The one YOU picked. Which is what everyone says.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Which God or denomination do you go with?

          • Ronald Carter

            I don’t, nor do I pretend to know what God thinks or wants.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Do you go to Church?

          • Ronald Carter

            Yes, I get paid to. I am a church musician.

          • TheBottomline4This

            So if you were not paid, would you go?

          • Ronald Carter

            Likely not.

          • TheBottomline4This

            What denomination is the Church?

          • Ronald Carter

            Lutheran.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Thanks for answering.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            You should study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Then you would have no problem knowing the mind and the will of GOD. HE actually gave man a blue print on how to build their lives. HE tells you what is right and what is wrong. What an awesome CREATOR and FATHER who did not leave you to figure it all out on your own.

          • Ronald Carter

            “Shew thyself approved unto God”?

            I can’t even meet you halfway when you use bizarre antiquated language like that.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Oh do forgive me… let me go get a more dumbed down version of that verse so that you can understand.

            Which version would you like for me to pull that verse out of for you?

            The living bible is very easy and dumbed down… here … 2 Tim. 2:15 Work hard so God can say to you, “Well done.” Be a good workman, one who does not need to be ashamed when God examines your work. Know what his Word says and means.

            Pretty much saying that if you study GOD’s WORD you won’t be ashamed because you will know what HE says about things.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            #Bible KJV

          • gogo0

            what you said was based on faith, completely absent of logic

          • TheBottomline4This

            what you said was based on the absence of logic. what I said is based on fact.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            HIS ways are higher than our ways and HIS thoughts higher than our thoughts. Yup HIS WORD pretty much trumps mans logic.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Oh oh you offended me … I’m going to sue! ; )

          • The Last Trump

            Exactly.
            Satan believes in God alright.

          • Ronald Carter

            Don’t be so hard on yourself, I don’t think you’re Satan, I just think you’re wrong about a lot of things.

          • TheBottomline4This

            I don’t think you’re Satan, I just think you’re wrong about a lot of things.

          • The Last Trump

            So does Satan. 🙂

          • ComeOnPeople!

            The devils believe in ONE God and they TREMBLE.

          • NGN2

            Nah.

          • Granny C

            God’s Word, the Bible, does have something to say about homosexuality. It is a perversion, as in the word pervert – definition: to divert to a wrong purpose, debase, degrade, demean, demoralize, abuse, misapply, misuse.
            Pervert: one that is perverted; esp: one given to sexual perversion.

          • Ronald Carter

            Since we know from science that none of the things you said are true, I’d suggest either the Bible is incorrect or the understanding of those WORDS is incorrect.

          • Granny C

            Since “we know from science” that the definitions I reference are not true? I suggest that when you meet the author of the Bible, you take up your view on the topic. God is correct, and the understanding of the words is very clear.

          • Ronald Carter

            The Bible had hundreds of authors, and God wasn’t one of them.

          • Granny C

            You don’t get it, but some day you will certainly wish you had. Sorry.
            God is the author, you just need to know that, before you can know Him.

          • Ronald Carter

            You know exactly the same amount as I do about what happens at the end of this life.

          • The Last Trump

            Ooooh! You were doing so well there.
            Until that last part. 🙁

          • Ronald Carter

            God didn’t write the Bible, Last Trump. He didn’t write the Qu’ran either, nor the Talmud, nor any other book.

          • The Last Trump

            I respect your opinion no matter how baseless and incorrect it might be.

          • Ronald Carter

            That’s nice but in this case it happens to be fact.

          • The Last Trump

            Suuuure.
            Just like your name’s Ron Carter, huh?
            Sadly, Jocasta, you have revealed to everyone here that you are a liar.
            And everything about you is fake.
            You and facts are like Christianity and homosexuality.
            Incompatible. 🙁

          • Ronald Carter

            Ronald Alexander Carter. I revealed nothing else – you are inferring and guessing and taking wild attacks in the dark at some past boogeyman I have no interest in, and YOU are making a fool of yourself. And until you provide proof for the things we discuss, you’re not getting a free pass, which is what I suspect this is really all about. Sorry, Last Trump. You’re losing.

            And your inability to look up “homosexual welcoming Christian churches” on Google is your problem as well. Not mine.

          • The Last Trump

            Oooh! “Alexander”! We even have a middle name with THIS one, eh Jo-Jo?
            Nice touch.
            Hey, all of those “This comment has been deleted” posts I keep seeing recently wouldn’t happen to be yours, would they?
            Hope you have another profile on deck!
            Maybe go with a woman again, Muffin? Looks like your little theory might have some merit to it, eh?

          • Ronald Carter

            I’ve told you before my middle name is Alexander. You’re simply trolling now and looking to be banned. I have no intention of being banned along with you. Run along, now.

            Yes, they delete my posts occasionally. They delete some of yours too. Or haven’t you noticed?

          • Christian

            A male’s reproductive organs/ body parts and a female’s reproductive organs/body parts were created to fit intimately together to reproduce!!!! Hence the scientific word reproductive! Science cannot deny that. I’m not sure what you are trying to say science has proven otherwise????

          • The Last Trump

            And you’d be wrong.

          • Ronald Carter

            No. I’m not.

          • Ken Faivor

            Exo 5:2 And Pharaoh said, Who is Jehovah, that I should hearken unto his voice to let Israel go? I know not Jehovah, and moreover I will not let Israel go.

            Pharaoh had god’s too, note his end.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            Remember #SODOM.

          • Ronald Carter

            Yeah…right!

          • NGN2

            Only according to you and yours. Too ridiculous

          • TheBottomline4This

            No, gay sex is wrong and a perversion. The majority know it.

          • NGN2

            Nopers. Just faux xtians

          • TheBottomline4This

            Your ignorance is your bliss.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            What majority? Look at the recent opinion polls about same-sex marriage and issues like that.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Those are bought and paid for. No proof.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            When every poll says about the same thing? They’re ALL “bought and paid for”? Uh huh….

            Where’s your evidence, then? What’s your evidence for what you’re saying is the opinion of the majority?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Evidence is that in a school full of teachers only 1 is a they and that 1 is suing because the rest forget to call your by her new found reality.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked….

          • ComeOnPeople!

            You said and I quote … “Where’s your evidence, then?”” What’s your evidence for what you’re saying is the opinion of the majority?”

            So I used the example in the story. You don’t need poles to see what the majority are saying.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Are you serious?

            “You don’t need poles to see what the majority are saying.”

            Well, okay, true. I’d prefer a POLL, myself. I don’t know what you would do with a pole, maybe beat people over the head with it if they don’t agree with you? Seriously, though….I was talking about a poll in the first place because “TheBottomLine4This” claimed that the majority “know that gay sex is wrong and perversion”….which, I’ll say again, doesn’t have a damn thing to do with this story, anyway. And at any rate, how do you think the situation at one school is any indication of what the public opinion is? At most, it’s an indication of what the opinion at THAT SCHOOL is, and maybe not even the whole story about that. (was that person being harassed by every single person there? Was no one supportive of them, was their no one on their side?)

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Tell you what go out to the mall dressed other than the sex you are and tell people you believe you are that sex other then what you are and see how much of the mall populace accept your departure from reality.

          • Christian

            Let me ask you something-did you participate in the poll? Polls are very flawed. They don’t ask everybody, and not everybody they ask participates. Have you ever gotten a survey and not done it? How can they really say the majority of Americans anything? They didn’t survey the majority of Americans. It was a limited number and may have even been biased depending on where/who they decided to poll. When they say the majority they are referring to the limited sample of people they surveyed! Relying on surveys isn’t the best strategy for any argument!

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Yeah, polls can be flawed, that’s absolutely true. Just ask Thomas Dewey. But these people have been doing that stuff for a long time, they usually know what they’re doing. Yeah, they don’t survey everybody, but there is a thing called random sampling.

          • Destiny2429

            The only opinion that matters is God’s, and he already stated how he feels about that in his Word…and he will judge those who rebel, and don’t repent. The
            Bible says most of the world will follow Satan…I rather be in the minority, than end up in the Lake of Fire…

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Well, I’m not a Christian myself, so I’m not talking about what the Bible has to say on the topic. To be quite honest, no offense intended, it just doesn’t matter to me. I guess I kind of agree with you, in a way…public opinion really doesn’t matter, whichever side of that issue you’re on. It doesn’t matter in Supreme Court decisions, for one thing…(though, interestingly, the Obergefell decision actually does line up with public opinion if you think about it)

            I don’t even understand why homosexuality was even brought up here. This story has nothing to do with that teacher’s sexual orientation, whatever it might be.

          • Granny C

            And even “they” don’t know what “they” are.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            She has none… OOPS I mean They have no orientation . They is a she/he or a her/him or a They/their. I’m so confused… please don’t sue me.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Other than what people label it as, what does a person’s sexual orientation have to do with their gender? Like, say for instance, a trans woman (that’s male-to-female), that was attracted to men before and continues to be after…..yeah, one could say they went from being a gay man to being a straight woman, but their orientation didn’t change, they did.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            GOD is not the author of CONFUSION.

          • NGN2

            god is not the author of anything.. nothing more than a man made construct

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            You mean like the concepts “gender-fluid” and wanting to be called “they” when you’re pretending to not know what you actually are? Those kind of “man-made” constructs, NGN2?

          • Daniel Allen

            I know..this is just crazy

          • Granny C

            Opinion polls don’t cut it. It is God’s Word that settles it. Like it or not.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Yeah, I said the polls really don’t matter, though I suppose I think that for a different reason than you do. As for “God’s word”….people have interpreted that very differently through the years, haven’t they? People used to think racism, slavery, and not allowing women to vote were biblically justified. (and of course, at this time, with the Bible, you’re talking about a translation of a translation and so forth) I’ve read stuff online saying that maybe the Bible isn’t so ‘anti-gay’ as people often make it out to be.

            Hmm…..could it, just maybe, be that people were, and are, using the Bible to support their own prejudices? Nah, couldn’t be…….

          • The Last Trump

            You’re absolutely right.
            It couldn’t be.
            The Bible is crystal clear on THAT particular issue and always has been.
            No matter how much liberals today wish it wasn’t so.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Ever seen the site “Would Jesus Discriminate?” They disagree with you. (though I’m sure you’d say they’re not “TRUE Christians” or something similar)

          • The Last Trump

            I don’t get my Jesus information from sites.
            I get it from the Bible.
            You know, go to the source and all of that.
            But I’m sure your “sites” are great too.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Even if you’re right…..it doesn’t matter. Doesn’t matter to me, doesn’t matter to our secular government, which as I keep saying, doesn’t base it laws on the Bible…

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Well if you put it in every TV and movie now and teach children it’s okay then eventually people will change their views VIA propaganda media. So glad our family got rid of Devil Vision and UnholyWood 30 years ago. Some of the adds online for DV and UNholywood show just how far media has come. Even online is becoming hard to navigate, without seeing some form of perversion .

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Devil Vision? I don’t think I’ve heard of that channel….might have to call my cable company, see if they carry it….lol

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Just open the word of GOD and you will see what you are watching is not of HIM. HIS character is not what you see being put out by Unholywood but the devils character.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Seeing as I don’t believe in any god or devil, that doesn’t mean anything to me.

          • The Last Trump

            How strange.
            What brings you here then? Repeatedly?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            The sheer entertainment of it all, of course.

          • The Last Trump

            Yup.
            Fstdt alright.
            Shame. I thought you had real potential 🙁

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Hmm…..you’re disappointed in me? That probably means I’m doing something right, then. Good to know.

          • The Last Trump

            Yes, belonging to a hatesite that attacks and attempts to ridicule others is a real badge of honour. Wear it proud Muffin!

          • ComeOnPeople!

            How do you know if you ever do something right seeing how you don’t believe in the God who defines right and wrong? Is it wrong to murder? Is it wrong to lie? How about having sex with your sister or animals? Please define right or wrong without using my GOD’s WORDS. Is it right to love? Right to be unselfish? Right to give to others? Sorry I know a play on your words but I could not help myself.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I’ll turn that back on you. You’re telling me the ONLY reason you’re able to tell what’s wrong and what’s right is because your god told you so? If, somehow, you had never read the Bible, never been exposed to any religion, you’d consider if other people suffer or if they’re happy completely irrelevant? So, it’s not whether they’re happy or not that is important, it’s whether your god told you that it is?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Well see now if you would have studied the instruction manual given to mankind by the Creator, you would know that the invisible things of HIM from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even HIS eternal power and Godhead; so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE. Every man can clearly see all around him intelligent design and every man cannot deny his own conscience. But if he does for a long period of time eventually he will be turned over to his own carnal lusts and believe not in truths but in lies. As to suffering… we all suffer because man fell away from the Creator and yet even in suffering men have found GOD and turned back to HIM. There are few atheist in a fox holes. Suffering or helplessness has a way of bringing men back to just how powerless they really are and how greatly they need someone who holds all the power in heaven and in earth. The Creator would rather his creation hurt or suffer then to be lost to HIM forever. That my friend is true love.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “Every man can clearly see all around him intelligent design and every man cannot deny his own conscience”

            For one thing, I don’t see how anything you said adressed what I was asking, but anyway…I don’t see ‘intelligent design’ and I’m not denying my conscience. Don’t speak for what in someone else’s mind or conscience or whatever.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Again my answer was that every man is without excuse because HE poured out HIS Spirit upon all flesh, because the invisible things are clearly seen in HIS Creation and speak of HIM. So that no man can say he never heard of HIM or experienced HIM. Nature declares HIM and the inner man cries out to know HIM. Can man deny HIS existence … SURE. HE gave everyone a free will. Love once forced is no longer love. To make acceptable the ending of anyones life via their own hand or with the help of another is to prey upon the weakest of humanity. That is not being caring but being careless, it’s not being compassionate but complacent , it’s offering despair in place of hope. The GOD you deny tells us that the greatest things one can do is to LOVE HIM and LOVE our FELLOW MAN. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not SELF-SEEKING, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always PROTECTS, always trusts, always HOPES, always perseveres. If you have the Spirit of GOD in your heart then you have love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness & temperance. If you do not then you will give in to your carnal nature and to a different spirit. You conscience if silenced over and over will eventually be given over to you to do the lusts of your flesh. I can speak about another mans conscience because when he does what is right in his own eyes it is very apparent to one who studies TRUTH that he has not listened to his conscience.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Seeing as TheKingOfRyhe… loves to be heard but sure does hate to listen to anyone who opposes your view of things… you spam and flag others so their view is not heard. Great job or wise one. You are wise because no one else is heard??? Oh so wise are you… what you do not understand is TRUTH remains even after you flag or spam someone.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Spam others? I think of it as offering an opposing viewpoint, or arguing my point. Just because I disagree with people and will explain why, that doesn’t mean I hate to listen to anyone who opposes me. If I really felt that way, I wouldn’t come here in the first place!

            And flag others? No, I don’t, honestly. If someone’s going around here doing that, it’s not me. I’ve actually only done that a very few times, and it’s been when someone posts something that’s just an attack, that doesn’t have anything to do with the conversation. I didn’t even flag the guy in another conversation the other day, who was going around posting obscene insults to me, then editing them all, so they said the complete opposite. Other people beat me to that one, anyway.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Spam is when someone claims anothers post is offensive and then it is removed.

            From your own words you admit you flag others. You are of the kind that think to be offered is a bad thing and refuse to allow yourself the pleasure of being opposed. Grow up. And yes it is you who keeps having my post deleted along with one other person and it’s beyond obvious . When a post is deleted constantly when only replying to one person and right after you reply to them, then it’s obvious who is flagging you. So make your case as you did above but any mature person who can read between the lines sees your denial as admittance of guilt. Therefore post away but you will have no reply from me. Why reply when you will become offered and have my words deleted. Good day to you.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “Spam is when someone claims anothers post is offensive and then it is removed.”

            No, it’s not. I did admit I have flagged others, but like I’ve said, it’s only been like once or twice. I don’t do that when someone just disagrees with me, it’s when I find something is just offensive and doesn’t have anything to do with the conversation. I haven’t done it once to you. Sure, you disagree with me, but I haven’t found anything you said offensive. I didn’t even know anything in the conversation we were having was being deleted, to be honest.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Even though you might not respond to this….

            I actually read something I found pretty interesting, kind of related to what we were talking about earlier. It’s the “Euthyphro dilemma” from a dialogue by Plato. Put in modern terms, it’s the question
            “Is what is morally good commanded by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by God?”

            It seems to me, that if you take the first choice, then yes, there is morality without believing in a god, and if you take the second one, then morality is just whatever God says it is. And is that really morality?

          • Christian

            Look at Minions-they predicted this predicament 😞

          • The Last Trump

            Hmmm. Wonder who they polled.
            Wanna try that again here?
            Funny how those polls work, huh.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “Hmmm. Wonder who they polled.”

            Okay….from Gallup’s site:

            “Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews
            conducted May 3-6, 2012 with a random sample of 1,024 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia.

            For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say
            with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points.

            Interviews are conducted with respondents on landline telephones and cellular phones, with interviews conducted in Spanish for respondents who are primarily Spanish-speaking. Each sample includes a minimum quota of 400 cell phone respondents and 600 landline respondents per 1,000 national adults, with additional minimum quotas among landline respondents by region. Landline telephone numbers are chosen at random among listed telephone numbers. Cell phone numbers are selected using random-digit-dial methods. Landline respondents are chosen at random within each household on the basis of which member had the most recent
            birthday.”

            (I think that’s not from the same one, but it’s pretty much the same deal every time, I’m sure….)

          • The Last Trump

            I wasn’t really doubting the demographic.
            I just wanted to see how far I could get you to go.
            Thanks for not disappointing.
            Jumping through hoops for clowns is a big time waster, huh?
            No worries bud. This lesson was free. You’ll catch on after awhile.
            You’re welcome.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I can actually come up with an answer, when someone asks me a question. Guess I’m just a nice guy or something, I don’t just tell them to look it up themselves, when I don’t really have the answer….

          • The Last Trump

            That’s too bad.
            Teach a man to fish and all of that. Guess you got that backwards.
            Better pack a lunch then junior. You’re going to be VERY busy jumping through hoops! And I’m going to hold you to that.
            “when I really don’t have an answer” ? Really?
            Come now, pretender. I thought you were a little different from the rest of the hate group. At least a little bit more honest, no?
            I coulda sworn you were bright enough to know better than that?
            But, since you brought it up….
            Hey, Mr. “nice guy” who answers every question that is posed to him, could you please tell me when Jesus first appears in the Bible?
            Cause ……. Jocasta sure can’t! (sorry, WON’T. And wisely so. Coward)
            How about His third and fourth appearances?
            Could you please explain a “Christophany”?
            And what DID Jesus actually say about marriage?
            As refreshing as it would be to actually have someone from a hatesite like fstdt answer questions like these with honesty and integrity, I won’t be holding my breath. The truth is just to damaging to your cause.
            As you already well know. So feel free to refuse, distract and change subjects. Or focus all of your time talking about Trumpy like the rest of your Klan. Maybe nominate me for ANOTHER award, yes?
            I won’t be offended. It’s just par for the course when dealing with Christophobes and Bible illiterates. 🙁

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “Hey, Mr. “nice guy” who answers every question that is posed to him”

            I never claimed to have an answer for everything, just that I’ll admit it when I don’t…maybe I should have stated that a little more clearly. I didn’t mean I’ll answer any question, I meant I’ll admit it when I don’t have an answer. Like in this instance. I’ve been saying a few times, in this very conversation, how I’m not a Christian, what the Bible says about this and that doesn’t matter to me, and so on. Then you’re gonna follow that up by asking me Bible questions?

          • The Last Trump

            That’s alright Muffin. I expected nothing less.
            It’s too bad though. I thought you might be different.
            Remember this?

            “I actually see the point he’s trying to make. Well, I see it, but think it’s BS, or course…which is basically “Jesus didn’t say anything about it, but Jesus is God and God is Jesus so it’s in the OT.” Of course, he has to be a total annoying (bleep) about it.”
            TheKingOfRhye, May 8th fstdtcom

            Now read your post above again. I think that sound you are hearing is the sound of embarrassing back peddling.
            So much for honesty and integrity, eh?
            At least where anyone from fstdt is concerned. If the truth damages your anti-Christian agenda than avoid telling the truth at all costs huh? Just pretend you don’t know. And ask all of the fundies to jump through your hoops to provide you with answers to questions you already know the answers to. Shameful. 🙁
            Well, not this fundie.

            Don’t say I never gave you a shot at the honest approach.
            Unfortunately, when presented with an opportunity to take the honest road, you went the way of the fstdt Klan. Not your best moment.
            Might wanna rethink the company you keep.
            (Don’t forget to submit. Yeah, right! Not THIS one, eh? Shocker)

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Please explain to me how that makes any of what I’ve been saying here ‘back-pedaling’ or ‘dishonest’. (if you don’t consider that to be ‘jumping through hoops’, I guess) I don’t see how it does. It doesn’t contradict anything I’ve said. What ‘truth’ have I avoided telling? I said on fstdt I thought I saw the point you were making, I just don’t consider it the truth in the first place.

          • Ronald Carter

            Welcome to the club.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Oh, and one more thing….you don’t like those polls, think they’re wrong? That’s okay, it wouldn’t matter anyway.

          • The Last Trump

            Sheesh. I was just asking. No need to get snarky.
            No questions for the fstdt group. Ok, ok. Got it.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Maybe there was no NEED to get snarky, but it’s fun once in a while. As you apparently know very well yourself.

          • Bob Johnson

            TheKingOfRhye cited the poll – Gallup – and year 2013. Gallup is very open about their polling methods and the accurate of their polls.

          • http://mczwzthinks.blogspot.com/ MCzwz

            That’s merely the response of those who are afraid of being attacked as “homophobic,” discriminatory, unaccepting, etc., etc., yadda yadda.”
            Too many Americans (people in general) have allowed themselves to be browbeaten by those who really are the dictators and fascists they love to accuse everyone else of being.
            Why do the majority accept so easily to be discriminated against?
            I can understand, though, one of the main reasons we’re at this point: fear, submitting ourselves to ‘political correctness’ run amok and the unhealthy desire to be perceived as “open-minded” and “accepting.”
            Why is the approval of those who wish nothing less than our total destruction so important to so many (59%)?
            Well . . . if the disastrous state of our country is any indication — which it is — our minds have gotten so ‘open’ as to allow every bit of brain and common sense to fall out.
            No more thinking, no more common sense, no more logic, just plain ’emotions.’
            Emotions reign to the utter destruction of us all.
            Sad.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Or maybe they just genuinely feel that way. Maybe they don’t consider it being “discriminated against” (or even a sign of “utter destruction”!) when others get the same rights they do. I know I don’t. I’m certainly not motivated by some kind of fear, or a desire to be perceived as being some way that I’m really not.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            An unseen war rages while humanity trudges on and actually believes the unseen has nothing to do with what is happening all around them. We have forgotten that a war is raging for the souls of men and that men who know not GOD believe the lies of the enemy of GOD and the enemy of GOD’s creation . 12 lies is an excellent study and if one does not walk away a believer in things unseen, their conscience has already been seared.

          • Steve Merrette

            Due to the indoctrination being done throughout the country. Sex is to reproduce and last thing I checked you can’t have a baby by shoving your dingaling in another guys ass…

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Good thing neither I nor anyone else I can think of has ever claimed that…..

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Nothing wrong with being gay until those who are start forcing others to agree with their lifestyle VIA the courts. Wonder if the courts would even hear all the Christians who have been slandered, called names and told their lifestyle is wrong. Doubt it!!! One sided corrupt court, with a corrupt president at the helm.

          • Ronald Carter

            No one is forcing you to agree with anything via the courts. What you can’t do is deny other people basic rights because of your religion. The rules of your church end at the door of the church. They don’t extend into the public realm.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            I don’t go to a church. I live and practice my beliefs based not on a sect but on the word of GOD. Just like the LGBT live and practice what they believe is right or wrong so to do I. Yet my views differ from their views. I should be able to say I believe something is wrong in my home or in public because it’s who I’am . I don’t leave my beliefs about right and wrong at home. They actually go with me everywhere I go and influence my everyday life. That’s what all you keep your religion at home people don’t get. The WORD of GOD shapes who we are and how we are to walk … not just at home but everywhere. WHY? Because HE is everywhere… not just in our homes or in some churches but everywhere.

          • Ronald Carter

            You can say or believe whatever you want. That’s your right. But your opinions and views don’t matter in the eyes of the law. If everyone thought that their belief in God gave them the right to dictate what others can or cannot do we would live in chaos.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            That is where you are wrong. No longer am I allowed in this country to speak freely according to the law. Because my speech is considered hate speech according to you and those like you. I say that a man who thinks he is a woman is departing from reality and GOD’s design. That my friend is hate speech now. I would not call a person a they like in this last story because it offends me but I’d be sued because I offered them. This world is turning upside down just like the bible says it would, where good is being called evil and evil is being called good.

          • Slidellman4life

            You live in Canada? I am so sorry.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Talking bad about Canada now? Take off, ya hoser….

          • Slidellman4life

            You mad, ‘eh?

          • Ronald Carter

            So you have elected to follow a faith that is openly hostile and hateful to a group of people whom science has determined to be just fine, and you are upset because people don’t appreciate you for it? Do I have that right?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            I have actually elected to study the Torah, writings and the prophets and the epistles of the Apostles . In them I find what is Holy or profane, what is clean or unclean , what is righteous or unrighteous , what is acceptable to God or unacceptable, what pleases HIM and what does not. The bible is a blue print for how I build my life and I know the world will hate me for it because I’m told in scripture that if they hated the Messiah they will also hate me. I’m not out to win a popularity contest in this world.

          • Granny C

            What we are really sick of, is our basic rights being taken away for the minute number of people that seem to have a problem with the way God created them. The basic rights we have always had as human beings, like the right to go into a restroom without the fear of some very confused man being in there at the same time.

          • Ronald Carter

            Your rights aren’t being taken away. They are being shared with other people, and you don’t like it.

          • Granny C

            You know what, this is the biggest waste of time. Since you do not make sense, I think you are the kind of person who just likes to argue, no matter what the topic is. Feel free to go on your merry way and take on someone else, with your know it all comments.

          • Ronald Carter

            It isn’t that I don’t make sense, it is that you disagree with me. Why don’t you simply say that?

          • Vic Christian

            other than God telling us it is sin and an abomination. This is not just my opinion, God says so and warns us of it. Read Romans chapter 1.

          • Ronald Carter

            Wow. I’m sure glad I don’t believe that.

          • Slidellman4life

            I don’t. I think he’ s a pathological liar, as he likes to spew things and won’t back them up. Ever.

          • Ronald Carter

            Ever?

            How about CONSTANTLY?

            You report anything people say to you that you don’t like, and the proof gets deleted and then you claim victory. You do this CONSTANTLY.

          • NGN2

            Where’s the proof of his lies?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            New word made up to stereotype anyone who does not agree with the LGBT agenda.

          • Bob

            Stop with the “Homophobic” nonsense!! You don’t even know what the definition is. You just use it as a soundbite.

          • Ronald Carter

            I was accused of being gay by someone who doesn’t know me and in a topic unrelated to homosexuality. Asking if a person is homophobic is wrong…WHY, exactly?

          • Bob

            A phobia is a fear of something, people don’t fear homosexuals they disagree with the lifestyle choice so stop calling it homophobia, it exposes your ignorance!!

          • Ronald Carter

            It’s a perfectly good word to use, the issue most people have with homosexuals is based in fear.

          • Bob

            You are wrong, It is not based in fear, it is a moral issue and a societal issue. According to your logic then, everything you disagree with is based on your fear of whatever it is you don’t like.

          • Ronald Carter

            Hate is rooted in fear, Bob. Are you going to tell me it’s not “hate” next? If it were simple disapproval, would you have such a difficult time not screaming to everyone how evil you think it all is? Why is it that those opposed to it are all vocal about it and want their morals upheld and want to disregard everyone else’s?

          • The Last Trump

            Hate is rooted in fear huh?
            Well, you must be shakin’ in your boots then!

          • Ronald Carter

            I might if I were the slightest bit hateful, but I’m not. Haven’t picked up on that, have you? No angry small-minded boycotts for me. I leave the homosexuals and the transgendered alone. I don’t call anyone freaks or perverts. Or even CONSERVATIVES, which I only mention because of the way you constantly throw the word “liberals” around as though it is something to be ashamed of.

          • The Last Trump

            The fear that people will become immoral and perverse.
            The fear that people would accept such depravity.
            Yeah, sure. Fear is a good word.

          • Ronald Carter

            There is nothing immoral or depraved about falling in love, Last Trump. It certainly is nothing to fear.

          • The Last Trump

            Love is awesome.
            Sexual perversion, however, has little to do with love.
            It’s just facts Muffin. It’s ok that you don’t like them.

          • Ronald Carter

            As long as you continue to hold that homosexuality is sexual perversion, you will reveal yourself to be anti-science, willfully ignorant, and a person who upholds hate. That’s not me talking, either. That’s the real world, those of us who find no value in hatred.

          • The Last Trump

            The REAL world, decietful one?

            “My kingdom is not of this world” Jesus, John 18:36.

            “For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.” 1 John 2:16.

            “You once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience — among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh” Eph 2:2.

            “Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Jesus, Rev 18:4.

            THAT world, Muffin?
            Keep it.
            I’ll stand with God where morality is concerned.
            Best of luck to you though. (Yikes!)

          • Ronald Carter

            It’s so rich to be called “deceitful” by someone who’s shown a constant inability to back up a single statement he makes, tosses out baseless accusations, and is proven wrong over and over, and through it all managed a smugness level that would kill a horse.

          • The Last Trump

            You just can’t get enough of me!
            🙂
            But enough about me. How did you like my Bible references, Muffin?
            I thought those were supposed to mean something to you, no?
            No comment huh? Just ignore them?
            Not even going to submit?
            Just continue unfazed to hate more and more on ol’ Trumpy huh?
            Yeah, providing scripture to trolls accomplishes an awful lot.
            Doesn’t it folks?

          • Ronald Carter

            Submitting to bible quotes? Why would I do that when I am not Christian?

            I asked for you Bible quotes for one specific incident. You couldn’t provide it. Anything else is irrelevant.

          • The Last Trump

            “Those of us who find no value in hatred”!!!!!!!!!
            Did you really type that with a straight face, Jocasta?

            “I hate Trumpy so much!”
            Ronald Alexander Carter (after ANOTHER emotional breakdown, very much Trump related!) – FSTDT.Com
            Where haters go to hate!
            Hee, hee! I really should be paying rent for ALL of that space I take up in his head! 🙂

          • Ronald Carter

            Yes I did, Arthur.

          • The Last Trump

            Knock yourself out.
            And hey, be sure to look in on TheKingOfRhye too will you?
            He’s not representing the team too well today either.
            Those fstdters and their lies! Continue to trip themselves up. How embarrassing.
            He could probably use some words of encouragement to get him back in the game again.
            Thanks bud!

          • Ronald Carter

            Since you have proven yourself to be unable to stick to the matters at hand and dragging me into your paranoia, I will report any future posts from you that do not relate to the subject at hand. I am sick of your games.

          • The Last Trump

            Ditto.

          • The Last Trump

            Are you truthaphobic Jocasta?
            Why so many profiles, Muffin? Why so many fake “personalities”?
            Why exactly?

          • Ronald Carter

            I’m not entertaining your paranoia, Last Trump. I don’t care who you think I am or what you call me. What I care about is dishonesty, like your inability to present evidence of transgendered boogeymen hiding out in bathrooms or Jesus’ words on homosexuality. You know, the things we have been discussing in other words.

          • The Last Trump

            The liar pretending to be men AND women he is not in order to deceptively infiltrate Christiandom and push his anti-Christian agenda wants to preach about dishonesty! That’s rich!
            Well, when it comes to dishonesty it would certainly be a topic in which you are expert. And I, and the rest of the Christians here would know very little.
            You have the floor, deceitful one. Preach away.

          • Ronald Carter

            I don’t know who you’re talking about but I have enough experience with you now to know that it probably wasn’t an anti-Christian agenda at all, just one that isn’t Christian enough for your liking, Mr. No True Scotsman. Like I said, I’m not interested in your past battles or your game playing.

          • The Last Trump

            We know you’re not interested in bringing up our past battles.
            Why would you be?
            WGC and I have schooled you so many times now, literally mopped the floor with your steadily revolving door of constantly banned profiles that who WOULD want to be reminded of all of those humiliating defeats!
            And I mean, c’mon. After I masterfully used your OWN hatesite, and your OWN post submissions to reveal you to be the liar and charlatan that you are, well there’s just no coming back from THAT is there.
            Enter “Ron”.
            🙂

          • Ronald Carter

            Specifically yours. I haven’t been here long enough to have reached your level.

          • The Last Trump

            Yes, Jocasta’s many profiles never tend to reach maturity and accumulate many comments or upvotes, do they?
            They’re never here long enough!
            No surprise that “Ronald Carter” is just getting out of the gate.
            But with all of his posts steadily disappearing it shouldn’t be too long now….

          • Ronald Carter

            There probably is a Jocasta who is taunting you. I am not Jocasta. I am not Val. I have told you before, deal with your demons on your own. I am not interested.

          • The Last Trump

            Got it. Thanks.
            😉

          • IzTheBiz

            Actually, we are ‘insaneophobic’ The type of insanity represented by this ludicrous decision is frightening! And people like you have lost the plot. It’s beyond human. Maybe you are all robots acting like humans!

          • Herb Planter

            ppl plz dont feed the troll (ron)

          • William Clinton III

            Let’s say that I am “homophobic”

            Now what? Is there something that is going to happen?

          • Ronald Carter

            No, you’re just being honest.

          • William Clinton III

            Exactly.

            Nothing is gonna happen. It’s a shrill meaningless accusation like “bigot” or “racist” has become.

          • http://mczwzthinks.blogspot.com/ MCzwz

            No good reason not to???

            What about the abridgement, ignoring, and destruction of the civil, personal, and religious rights of the majority of Americans as a good reason?!?

            Why must our rights be destroyed at worst or sublimated at least to the demands of a very small minority?

            Why is it that standards, mores, values and beliefs that ARE the norm in this country and most other countries must now be sublimated to the sexual demands of a minority.

            Who cares what you want to call yourself?!? Go right ahead and call yourself whatever the heck you want!
            You want others to call you those things, too? Wear a nametag.

            But they and their cronies have no right to be threatening punishment against those who refuse to play their games.
            When will the majority say “ENOUGH!”???

        • Ronald Carter

          Once again, the story isn’t being presented accurately.

          • TheBottomline4This

            How so Ronny? Enlighten us on your insider’s view.

          • Ronald Carter

            The $60,000 had nothing to do with how she was being addressed, for one thing.

          • TheBottomline4This

            That is one of your points. I’m not going to ask you to enlighten us one comment at a time, so spill all the beans you have.

          • Ronald Carter

            Why don’t you just go read the same story on another website, and see for yourself? That’s all I did.

          • TheBottomline4This

            No thanks. I don’t chase people’s claims.

          • Ronald Carter

            Reading another version of the same story is too much work. Got it. Thanks.

          • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

            I did as you have suggested & looked on many other sites at this story. I’ve not found any discrepancies in the story presented here. There were other things alleged that other teachers did to her, sorry ‘they’, that are not represented in the above article but the article here has no false accusations when compared with the others. The one consistent fact in all of them is the pronoun factor & the desire of wanting to be called ‘they’. This seemed to be one of ‘they’s’ biggest complaints.

          • TheBottomline4This

            One reason why I didn’t go on Ronny’s rabbit trail. No substance in what he says.

          • Ronald Carter

            Another news report of the same story is a rabbit hole, huh?

          • NGN2

            You just don’t wa b t to be proven wrong. Typical faux xtian

          • TheBottomline4This

            Your ignorance is your bliss

          • Ronald Carter

            The deception is plain right in the title of the article: “Teacher Who Identifies as ‘Neither’ Awarded $60,000 After Co-Workers Wouldn’t Call Her ‘They'”. After. But not BECAUSE.
            No mention of the safety issues.
            No mention of the abuse.

          • TheBottomline4This

            If there are any “safety issues” or any “abuse”…she is bringing that on herself. As a matter of fact, she is abusing herself and is unsafe for children to be around. Filling their heads with this crap. Shame on her.
            Hopefully she’ll lose her job around children at some point. Put her in the office to answer phones or something.

          • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

            I think I see what you’re saying. You’re saying in other articles that there are other reasons for this law suit and not just based on the fact that others were using the wrong pronoun. Is that what you’re saying?

          • Ronald Carter

            In part, yes. Articles can also be misleading in what they don’t say rather than by what they do say. Crucial components can be, and are, often omitted.

          • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

            OK. Thanks for helping me understand more of what you’re saying.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Especially articles on this site.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Then why do you keep coming back? You must like misinformation .

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I like correcting it, yeah.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            What would we do without your corrections?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Go on being ignorant, I would guess.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Nah… as long as I continue to study TRUTH… I will be wise to the wiles of the devil and the carnality of men. It’s those who don’t study and apply TRUTH to their lives who remain ignorant to their own hurt.

          • Christian

            I’m really confused, linguistically speaking “they” is plural.So is the person in this story schizophrenic? Why are grade school students being forced to endure and be subjected to this lunacy?

          • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

            Agree

          • The Last Trump

            Ah, and THERE it is again!
            Folks, you’ll have to forgive “Ron”.
            He thinks if he types in “Got it. Thanks” at the end of every post, then he’s actually won something! Liberals, right? I know! 🙂
            Please try to be good little politically correct followers and just play along.
            Ok? Thanks

          • TheBottomline4This

            ikr?

          • Slidellman4life

            Told you.

          • Ronald Carter

            Liar.

          • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

            Could you share with me a link that represents it more accurately?

          • Ronald Carter

            Certainly. Try this one (just remove the spaces):

            http://www.oregonlive. com/education/index.ssf/2016/05/gresham_barlow_transgender_tea. html

          • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

            OK. Thanks. I did look up others after I asked you but I’ll check this one out as well.

        • NGN2

          What about all of the money dent on lawsuits opposing gays getting married, etc?

          • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

            Not sure what you mean by money ‘dent’ on lawsuits. I’m going to reply based on an assumption that you meant ‘spent’ on lawsuits. Could you give me some examples of where people are suing gays on getting married? I don’t know of any of these cases so for me to try to engage in our conversation I would need some information to base it on. Do you have a link of some I could read?

        • Destiny2429

          You are right!

        • Wayne

          Even worse, this is who is “teaching” our children.

          • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

            Right? Or most of them. I homeschool mine.

    • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

      It really does. It’s insane the money that is being poured out over these issues while real problems are left unattended like homelessness, battered women, abused kids, hunger, just to mention a few.

  • bowie1

    “They” suggests more than one person.

    • if64

      I wonder if you can get away with caller her just “that”?

      • TheBottomline4This

        or It?

        • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

          I was going to say ‘it’ as well

      • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

        Or if others just totally ignored ‘they’ since ‘they’ doesn’t exist anymore. One definition of ‘neither’ is No More. So, if others identify whatever it is as neither, whatever is No More.

    • Oboehner

      She must be a schizophrenic.

      • TheBottomline4This

        Definitely mentally ill. Isn’t is odd that there was a time that people like this and the trans would have been given help in an Institution, but now some enablers are supporting this stuff and us normal folk are suppose to support it to and act like the mentally ill are normal. Satan is a very busy guy.

        • NGN2

          Satan? ROTFLMAO! riiiiight

          • TheBottomline4This

            You’re his pawn and you don’t even know it. Your ignorance is your bliss.

          • NGN2

            Far from ignorant. No talking snakes or rib women for me

          • TheBottomline4This

            Your ignorance is your bliss.

          • http://www.moonbatdan.com/ Dan T

            Ignore this one, it’ll go away by itself. Probably “gizmo” again.

          • TheBottomline4This

            I kind of like Gizzy, even though we didn’t agree on much.

    • scottrose

      These people are crazy, don’t expect logic.

  • TheBottomline4This

    What sad people these mental/emotional cases are. Just sad.
    Just say “Hey you” or call them by their last name, “So Soell, did you get the report?”

    • TheBottomline4This

      Transgender “Jacqueline” Andrews doesn’t support the bathroom bill. There are some understanding trans who just want to be who they think they are and not invade the majorities space.

      • Ronald Carter

        They’ve been doing that for years, and you never even noticed. So why is it suddenly a big deal for you to shoot them down?

        • TheBottomline4This

          If they’ve been doing it so long, why change something that has worked for so long???

          • The Last Trump

            Exactly.

            Hey. Where did “Ron” go?

          • TheBottomline4This

            He’s asking his commander what he should say 🙂

          • The Last Trump

            Yes, the foolish don’t seem to respond well to facts and reason.
            You really stumped him there with that simple question!
            I’m just dying to hear his answer.
            However, it’s been my experience that he refuses to answer questions that he knows will reveal and do damage to his desperate & transparent agenda. Don’t hold your breath.

          • TheBottomline4This

            He gave an answer, though it really didn’t directly answer the question.

          • The Last Trump

            Sounds like him alright.

          • Ronald Carter

            Right here, Last Trump. Sorry I don’t respond 5 minutes after you taunt me. I’m off having a life.

          • The Last Trump

            That’s ok. I didn’t pose the question, Muffin.
            But thanks for always thinking of me!
            Attention to detail, “Ron”. Attention to detail! 🙂

          • TheBottomline4This

            Muffin?

          • Ronald Carter

            Trump calls all the fellows “Muffin”:.

          • Ronald Carter

            The name is Ron. Not “Ron”. Save your sarcastic quotation marks for others.

          • The Last Trump

            Or you’ll sue me for $60,000?
            If only you were transgender!
            No special status for you, huh?
            Welcome to the club, “Ron”.

          • Ronald Carter

            It is simply official now.

          • TheBottomline4This

            No, it is a cancer that will grow and cause issues that you won’t acknowledge.
            I’ve never said I think the trans will do anything, but those posing as trans or claiming to be a woman, when they obviously aren’t are the issue for me.

        • The Last Trump

          Suddenly a big deal!?
          !
          Oh, you know.
          I could give you 60,000 reasons to care. Duh!

          • Ronald Carter

            I read another article that indicated the $60,000 was not a settlement amount at all but the amount being used to build transgendered bathroom facilities. But that’s OK, go with the quick and dirty answer that satisfies your confirmation bias.

          • The Last Trump

            Oh, you read ANOTHER article did you?
            Oh THAT one must be the right one then. (?)
            MY bias he says! Hee, hee!
            I just love this guy!

          • Ronald Carter

            More than another one, actually. Something wrong with doing that? You stopped at one but no bias there, no sir.
            Yes, your bias, I say, HEE HEE, etc.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Maybe “Ron” is really a woman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

    I’ve been pondering this gut-wrenching issue for years & have now reached my conclusion of what action I will take. I no longer identify as a person that is on the same level as anyone else. I’m a Queen. So, from this point on, I expect to be addressed as such. If you choose not to address me as your Majesty, My Lady or Royal Highness, there will be repercussions. You must ask permission from my servants to get an audience with me & you must bow in my presence. If you disagree & choose not to, there will be punishments which are set by me.

  • Schmith

    Days of Lot

  • Slidellman4life

    I would have called her “it” and dared her to do something about it.

    • TheBottomline4This

      She is a woman who is mentally ill obviously. The mentality of some in society today who want to enable this stuff…some in part to say suicide would happen if we don’t…bull. Suicide is not a major threat to trans. Some do it sure, but so do some gays, so do some straights. She’s committed suicide anyway in killing off her female gender/sex she was born and will die, so what’s the difference. She is intolerant of who she really is. She is bigoted toward herself in living a lie.

    • NGN2

      Real tough guy, huh? LOL

      • The Last Trump

        Guy?
        Don’t assume.
        Might cost you somewhere upwards of $60,000.
        Welcome to insanity.

  • Reason0verhate

    If I identity as an orangutang named Buffy Le BooBoo, everyone better play along – or else.

  • Gena B

    So if one teacher was explaining to a child or group of children they would be watching a film together with the other students of Soell’s class, usually teachers say, “We’ll be going to Miss Soell’s class today to watch a film.” Not wanting to be referred either as Miss or Mr, what would be a proper usage of “IT’s” name?

    • TheBottomline4This

      Ignore her wishes since it’s due to an emotional/mental illness. She isn’t in control of us, we are suppose to be in control of the person with the mental illness and hope and help if we can to return them back to a stable state. Everytime i see or hear of people like this, all I see is a mentally disturbed person. She is a woman and should be told the truth. She is the one who can’t handle the truth. We shouldn’t lie to her and go along just to keep her in her fantasy world. I would say Miss Soell’s room in your example.

      • ComeOnPeople!

        It’s sad that those who speak truth or even just plain reality are now considered to be hate mongers . People may have been offered or angry by those who helped them to see reality in the past but now the courts are sending the wrong message that it’s okay to stay in a harmful state of mind.

        • TheBottomline4This

          I wouldn’t ignore her request rudely. Some may choose to sue back if pushed. This crap is crazy. It wouldn’t be like this before the internet. Now the minority can seem bigger than they. We do need to stand up to it, not in a nasty way, but in a firm way.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            We need to keep standing up for TRUTH and speak it regardless of all their fear tactics. All this is meant to do is get people to be puppets and not speak for fear of being thrown in jail. It’s ridicules !

    • Tux

      Good question. It’s very hard to answer it.

  • Steven

    So, calling her Legion wouldn’t be out of line then.

    • TheBottomline4This

      If the shoe fits 🙂

    • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

      lol

  • Vicki Morales

    Now we have someone ‘identify’ with multiple personalities and it’s the school who is at fault for the emotional issues???? Is it possible to sue this person for the emotional distress caused to everyone in that school who don’t ‘identify’ with the ‘they identity’?

    • TheBottomline4This

      People like her need mental help, but sadly a lot of the help is brainwashed.

    • Josey

      I would add the parents of the children are responsible as well for the fault, they clearly need to take a stand.

  • Reason2012

    Now we can see that God was right all along that such things are an abomination.
    May things like this continue to wake people up to the truth of God and seek eternal life with Him while all those who get knee deep in such perversions and refuse to repent are cast out.

    Revelation 21:6-8 “And he [Jesus] said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”

  • Ihekaibeya Daniel

    If truly there are a body of Christ, they rather than being snobs, would support and talk those who truly believe in Christ Jesus into getting married and therein living a life of Christ instead of burning and or committing the same sexual immorality they repented, even if it is without no celebration ( 1 Corinthians 7: 1-2). If truly there is a body of Christ, why go on making church wedding celebration and traditional marriage rites a true sense of marrying and living right. For Christ sake, are there not those who gave up the riches of this world for the sake of the Cross?

    If a man or a woman, they are born again and they do have sex from one man to another or from one woman to another as the case may be, and they are single, they have no spouse, and eventually they wed in the church and they are drafted into church holiness board and their life style of jumping from one woman to another or their life style of jumping from one man to another is certify sinless by the church authority and pastoral associates, where therein is the space for Holy Spirit? If a man or a woman is suspended because the woman is pregnant, is their sin pregnancy? (Ephesians 5: 3). Why did Christ die on the Cross, what is it for, is it for alcoholism, revelry, lying and sexual immorality? Hypocrites Sodom and Gomorrah!

    (He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord). Proverbs 17:15

    ‘”Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.’ Matthew 23: 15

    ‘But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.’ Matthew 23: 13

    ‘And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten’s sake.’ Genesis 18 :32

    • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

      No understanding u what u say.?

      • Ihekaibeya Daniel

        what do u want to understand people live as they like no one bothers what God says

  • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

    No surprise here. This is Oregon, a liberal Blue State, who panders for the LGBTQ-vote n will do anything so as not to offend them. In this case, the transqueer teacher was paid off with $60,000 of taxpayers’ money n got her demand to be called “they” met.
    …….Similarly, when the Blacks riot n loot, vandalize n commit arson, the liberal Blue States just let them. The result – the affected police officers got sacked n/or charged in court.

    This is no different from a parent who “spares the rod n spoil the child”, ie the liberal Blue State govts hv been spoiling their voter-base, eg the LGBTQs, Blacks, Hispanics, unionized workers, minimum wage workers, feminists, the lazy n irresponsible poor with minimum income or maximum welfare, etc.

    • Ronald Carter

      Nice generalization, and the racist bit was a nice touch too.

      • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

        Not generalization but fact. Isn’t it a fact that nearly all recent riots in USA were started by the Blacks.? It’s not racist to say the truth.

        • Chip01

          Tell us the truth between the Easter a Bunny and your God.. How is one more real than the other.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Do u hv a chip on yr shoulder.? ……. Or is it Satan.?

          • Chip01

            So. That’s a no.

            There is no difference

  • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

    No wonder she got cursed with breast cancer.

    • TheBottomline4This

      That’s not fair. Her getting breast cancer could be genetic.
      She is mentally ill.

      • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

        Job & wife seemed to hv gotten cursed with cancer also, bc of his ignorant sin/evil-deed, ie JOB.1:5 & 3:25.
        …….Job wrongly thought that his sons’ likely sins would cause him to lose all his hard earned prosperity from God(cf EXO.20:5), which he had earned thru good works – JOB.1:8. So, he tried to buy ‘prosperity insurance’ from God – JOB.1:5..

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    What will happen to teaching or speaking up the truth in grammar class?

    • TheBottomline4This

      Some teachers get truth in there. There are ways to do it 🙂

  • Judy Zwyghuizen

    Cannot Believe all the stupidity used as a tool to get Money!

  • sick_of_hypocrites

    Has anyone thought that “She” just wanted money.
    Whoops I identified her as a woman, I hope she doesn’t sue me either.
    Let’s take warning labels off of products and let the problem sort itself out

    • Josey

      yes and this is the kind of teacher ppl want teaching their children? Come on ppl, time for this teacher to get help or the boot, she just took money away from your kids education that she pretends to be teaching and she is spreading confusion among them, stand up for your children.

  • Granny C

    They???? Shouldn’t it be IT?

  • ComeOnPeople!

    So no longer can a every day average run of the mill male or female speak without the fear of being sued. WOW!! We must remember who is who or what is what and should our eyes betray us and we forget to deny them reality and speak truth, we can be sued. Now what did you say you were again? They? Oh as in I must remember that you who I’ve worked with for years and referred to as she and Mrs. is now a they? COME ON PEOPLE!!! What is going on?

    • TheBottomline4This

      Mental illness being pushed as normal and stable.

      • ComeOnPeople!

        Truth shhhhhh no delete your post or I shall sue!!! 😉

        • TheBottomline4This

          Ok,
          Whew!! thanks for the warning.
          What?
          You still can see it?
          Let me try again…

  • Anton MB

    I think Eugene Volokh is totally right. And in addition, isn’t referring to a single person as ‘they’ completely unpractical since it’s a word used to point to multiple people? I mean, it’s just unnecessarily confusing in that way too.

  • King Simon

    Legally stole 60K from a fearful school district and the tax payers that fund them. The attorney and union reps should be in chains.

    • TheBottomline4This

      It’s the mentally ill controlling the masses.

    • hytre64

      Don’t forget the added expense of the additional “gender neutral” bathrooms at ALL of the schools throughout the district.

  • http://www.Godblesshiphop.com Caddy One

    “They” make me sick..

    • TheBottomline4This

      “they” are sick.

  • Nidalap

    Oh! So freedom of speech means that others get to control what you say, not you get to say what you wish.

    Huh…I’ve had it wrong this whole time…

  • archaeologist

    ““So people can basically force us—on pain of massive legal liability—to
    say what they want us to say, whether or not we want to endorse the
    political message associated with that term, and whether or not we think
    it’s a lie,” attorney Eugene Volokh recently wrote for the Washington
    Post in decrying a newly-established transgender law in New York City.”

    that says it all right there. the lgbt community are more intolerant than they claim their opponent ever were. they have found a way to get rich quick and it is at the expense of those who disagree with them and the gullibility of those organizations who bend over backwards to accommodate this perversion

  • Becky

    Scary to think that “they” are teaching young minds. Poor children. Parents gather your children and get them out of the perverted public school system…NOW…before it’s too late for them!

    • hytre64

      Sounds like another reason to homeschool, as the psychiatric patients have taken over the school system.

  • Linda JJ

    Forgive her Lord, for she knows not what she does.

  • J.D. Beethoven

    Once again the psychiatric patient’s have taken over the mental ward. Wonder what she will do with her money?

  • Marcia

    The pronoun “it” would be more accurate as it is at least singular. The use of “they” is not appropriate as it is plural. If some individual finds “it” offensive, then pick he or she and deal with it.

  • Ken Faivor

    If she needs help figuring out what she is, I bet the TSA can help her.

  • Bob

    Let’s just make it plain and simple, one word will put all of this PC nonsense into perspective….Instead of Mr. or Ms. refer to that individual as “confused.”

  • Mark Johnston

    WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT!

  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Kingdom Ambassador

    QUESTION: Do you think this insanity would have “flown” in 17th-century Christian Colonial America whose governments were established upon Yahweh’s moral law as supreme, including Deuteronomy 22:5 and Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13?

    ANSWER: Absolutely not!

    Consequently, there must be a definitive moment in America’s history when her Christian character and biblical course were formally altered. That point was in 1787 when the 18th-century founders replaced Yahweh’s immutable moral law with their own capricious Enlightenment traditions as the supreme law of the land.

    For more more regarding these two polar opposite governments, see online Chapter 3 “The Preamble: WE THE PEOPLE vs. YAHWEH” of “Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective.” Click on my picture, then our website. Go to our Online Books page, click on the top entry, and scroll down to Chapter 3.

  • Bobbi Jo Johnson

    They is a plural term, is this person now two or more people???

  • lizk

    this should never be allowed. I guess they should hang a sign that says what they want to be called. Or everyone should wear a sign as what they want to be referred as.

  • IzTheBiz

    Last I heard, wanting to be called ‘they’ was the sign of a split personality. It’s called insanity!

  • Josey

    I shouldn’t be shocked but read an article that in New York, there are at least 31 titles ppl now want to be referred as, they have a group that marries the ocean and gets intimate with it, they have ppl dressing up as dogs, some of which are CEO’S of companies, actually dressed in dog costumes and walking down sidewalks on their hands and knees with leashes on, I suppose beastiality isn’t out of the ? for those insane ppl, there are ppl who dress and act like infants, the list goes on, there are no holds bar, no decency, restraint or common sense. We who belong to Christ see this bizarre behavior for what it is, insanity. Sounds like just before the flood in Noah’s time that Jesus warned would occur before the end, they were so wicked that they even corrupted animals. Insanity is fast becoming the norm, God help us! The harvest is ripe, the tares have grown black and the wheat is golden.

    Psalms 37:1 (A Psalm of David.) Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. vs2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb. vs3 Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed. vs4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart. vs5 Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass. vs6 And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.
    Dear Jesus, come soon.

    • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

      I think it will be soon that Jesus will come. The signs are everywhere we look.

  • Herb Planter

    meh she cant handle the job fire her

  • Susan

    Why is IT teaching? Who wants someone so ignorant that it does not realize it has an identity, to teach children anything? The last person I would want teaching my children is someone who goes by their “feelings” instead of reality. She should not have been rewarded with cash. She should have been fired for causing confusion.

  • BeBeX

    The reason America is not mentioned in End Time Prophecy is because she has been renamed ‘Stupidville.’

  • http://mczwzthinks.blogspot.com/ MCzwz

    1984.

    End of story.

    End of The Republic.

  • peanut butter

    She’s not two people, though she may think she is two people in one body. I would still be uncomfortable of the notion of calling a single person ‘they’. It’s ridiculous to have to go against the basic linguistics skills that we have been taught in these exact same schools in the past. I would tell her to take it up with my former teachers and sue them. Oh, that’s right, you can’t. Most of them have been dead for years. That would be just as ridiculous as your lawsuit.

    • hytre64

      There may very well BE two persons in that one body – It would just be that one of them is demonic.

  • hytre64

    Sorry, but THEY is gender-neutral plural. If Leo desires to be called a gender-neutral pronoun, the only singular one available in English is, “IT

  • herbert

    Ore-gone!

  • Kirk

    The courts are no longer viable to administer appropriate justice. They don’t have the wisdom or morality. Court jesters is more like it. Clowns. Each one of these cases should be challenged to the highest court possible. And if that doesn’t do it…then we have some serious problems to face and we had better face them wisely and do something about it….or we are going to lose civilization altogether. As for this elementary school teacher….she has no business teaching children. The parents should petition for her dismissal. Children do not need to be exposed to sexuality and gender issues so young. It is child abuse. Why not just go ahead and show them porn? We are getting to that. Our children are turning out very twisted. Doesn’t anybody even care anymore? What the hell is wrong with people? Can’t anybody think? Can’t anybody understand what is down the road if we don’t stop this insanity? Turn off the damn TV if you can’t discern right from wrong. It’s nothing but a perverse leftist propaganda machine. Society has become a freak show! I think they should call this teacher “it”. The courts should be called nitwits!

  • ComeOnPeople!

    I’ve read on here that Jesus would do this or that. Folks HE HIMself told us that there would be false Messiahs and false teachers of HIS word. If the Jesus being preached departs any from the written word of God then it is another Jesus. The TRUE MESSIAH kept the law of God perfectly and true teachers & followers of that MESSIAH… teach & practice the word of God & not the traditions and doctrines of men. If the Jesus you are following departs in anyway from the laws of God , then you have yourself a different Messiah and not the one that was promised to come. If you go to a church and it teaches traditions and doctrines of men in place of the written word then you need to find a fellowship or others who teach and practice God’s instructions, ways, & precepts.

  • Daniel Allen

    Its all about you..grow up

  • Daniel Allen

    sixty thousand dollars because you got your feelings hurt.Taxpayer money.