Oregon Woman Concerned After Man Who Identifies as Woman Admitted at Women’s Shelter

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PORTLAND, Ore. — In the midst of discussion about transgender restroom issues, an Oregon woman is speaking out to tell her story after a man who identifies as a woman was permitted to share sleeping and restroom space with women at an all-women’s shelter.

Malka Davis, a formerly homeless woman, recently penned an op-ed for the Oregonian, in which she explained why she believes it was wrong for the shelter to allow the man to live at the facility among dozens of females.

The incident occurred in 2014 as Davis was seeking to put her life back together. She recounted that a few weeks into her stay that some of the other women seemed to be in distress, and came to find out that it was because a man who “self-identified” as a woman was in their midst. One woman even left altogether.

“The realization that a man was going to be sharing sleeping and bathroom space with us (in this particular area, there are no private or even semi-private rooms) was understandably met with tremendous anxiety, and, yes, even outrage,” Davis wrote.

But she soon learned that the women’s shelter was required to admit the man to the facility because of Oregon’s anti-discrimination laws.

“They (the women at the shelter) thought they had found a haven exclusively for women,” Davis said. “Little did they know that because of anti-discrimination laws any man who claims to identify as a woman can be admitted.”

Davis said that she treated the man kindly as he often confided in her, but she would not deny the fact that he was not a woman.

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“[A]t no point did I come to regard Clarence as a woman, nor did I refer to him as one. I saw him as an intelligent, sensitive, but very fragile and confused man,” she stated. “That is to say, I afforded him the dignity he deserved as a human being without denying the truth of his gender.”

She also reiterated that she felt it wrong that he was required to be admitted to a facility strictly for women.

“It jeopardized the security of a dozen or so women for the benefit of one man’s sense of belonging,” Davis outlined. “Not only that, but for every man who is admitted into a women’s shelter under the speciousness of gender ideology, untold numbers of bona fide women are left waiting on the streets. That is not just unfair, it’s unjust.”

She said that many who push transgender issues do not often realize those who are affected by such choices, including women at homeless shelters, who have no say in whether or not they don’t want a man living and sleeping with them in their room.


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  • Josey

    I guess they have chosen a confused man who rejects his sex given at birth over the many women who need a secure place to stay, many women who might be in hiding from abusive men and in which such abusive men could gain access to if they state they are a woman. The laws are already in place to protect these women, they are not being utilized. This should not be allowed, there are shelters this man can go to that are not designated all women’s shelters. This is wrong on so many levels!

    • Ambulance Chaser

      What man are you referring to?

      • Josey

        the man in the article or can’t you read?

        • Ambulance Chaser

          I read an article about a transwoman, whom this site and it’s fans continue to stubbornly refer to as a man, despite all scientific, medical, and psychological evidence to the contrary.

          • Ronald Carter

            Doesn’t that drive you nuts? The last holdouts to referring to things by their accepted names seem to live right here.

          • Debbie

            The alleged evidence being referred to as scientific, medical and or psychological makes nothing true. You are willing to accept and attempt to use it to further your rebellious argument.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Why don’t you believe it?

          • Donald Jacks

            because his DNA says so

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Then I guess there are other factors besides DNA.

          • Donald Jacks

            nope there isn’t sorry

          • Donald Jacks

            he is still a man and the DNA proves other wise

          • Barefoot in MN

            if the human still retains male genitalia, he is a male. It’s pretty simple. has he had “the operation” yet ? if not, he is male.

  • Nidalap

    Fair weather friends. The folks who would have loudly proclaimed absolutely pro-women’s rights mere months ago now tell them they don’t even have the right to privacy of their own bodies, now that the new favored “oppressed” group emerges from the closet…

    • Jalapeno

      People who support women often support trans women too. Taking away support from one type in favor of another doesn’t really work out very easily.

      • Nidalap

        Nope. Not ALL women. Only the ones who happen to agree with their view. The rest, whose right they would have championed a few months back, now get the handy-dandy “bigot” designation, making taking their rights away not only okay, but highly deserved…

        • Jalapeno

          It’s perfectly understandable why some women might be uncomfortable with someone who used to be a guy in the women’s shoes.

          It’s also understandable why someone would feel uncomfortable with someone who looks like a guy, but would we turn away someone who was born a woman?

          • Nidalap

            You show love to someone with a mental illness by getting them help for it. You are harming that person for your own selfish ends by encouraging them in their delusion…

          • Jalapeno

            And.. If they already got help, transitioned, and ended up in an abusive relationship that they needed shelter from?

          • Nidalap

            If they “transitioned”, they got the harm I just mentioned. And I suppose they need all the greater help because of it.
            What they do NOT need is further delusion by someone placing them in a shelter for women…

          • Jalapeno

            Okay.. So they spent years and, with the support of several doctors, made a decision about who they were. Obviously some people disagree, but their actual doctors thought it was best for them.

            So.. To help, we should tell them that they’re wrong about who they are and refuse to help with what they need right then.

          • Nidalap

            If they’re wrong, you tell them so. If they’re too deluded to listen, you do NOT adjust their physical being to match a psychosis.
            Doctors can be wrong just as often as non-doctors. They’re just wrong with a degree…

          • Jalapeno

            Yep, I’m sure that denouncing them repeatedly, deciding that you know better than their doctor, and saying that they shouldn’t have shelter that they need is just your concern for their well being.

          • Nidalap

            If they need shelter, put them in a separate shelter from the women. You know, the ones who likely entered a shelter to be protected from MEN?
            You would have taken their fears into account a few months ago, but they’re not the favorites anymore…

          • Jalapeno

            There’s still no simple solution.

            Do we allow people who identify as men in there? After all, they were born a woman..

          • Nidalap

            Of course! The very fact that they would want into one shows that they are breaking free of their delusion. You’d want to help with that, right? 🙂

          • Jalapeno

            Or it could mean that they’re desperate for help.

            Do you think that it would make women in the shelter uncomfortable if a muscular person with facial hair and a license that says “Steve” goes in there to sleep in the same shelter?

          • Nidalap

            A woman, desperate for help? Sounds like who the shelter is there for to me! 🙂

          • Jalapeno

            Could you understand a woman who is hiding from an abusive spouse being uncomfortable with Steve being in the shelter with them?

          • Nidalap

            Once they learned that it is a woman, struggling with mental delusions and desperate for help to boot? They might just sympathize! 🙂

          • Jalapeno

            Or.. They might not.

            I get it though. You care about women who are made uncomfortable by a situation that you understand, but not when you think they shouldn’t be uncomfortable. They should just shrug off the fact that they look a bit too much like their abuser.

          • Nidalap

            Women look all different kinds of ways. There are amazonian women out there who look like they may have just served time. Might be a bit uncomfortable, but still not the same as being forced against their will to bunk next to a man…

          • Jalapeno

            Believe it or not, a lot of abused women are uncomfortable around people who look like men, not just people who were born with boy parts.

            Thanks though, I thought it’d be harder to get you to admit that you don’t care about those women.

          • Nidalap

            Oh I do. But you already know that. You’re just being contentious.

            The women who want to have the right to privacy in their most vulnerable settings deserve to have those rights protected. Sad that this was all it took to turn you against them…

          • Jalapeno

            The women who care more about a person’s gender identity deserve to be protected too.

          • Nidalap

            Ah, from what? 🙂

          • Jalapeno

            From people who they do not consider to be women.

            Sure, one woman might care that someone was born with boy parts, but another might care more that someone looks like and identifies as a guy.

            So.. No matter which way you cut it, you’re telling one of them that they’re out of luck.

          • Nidalap

            So…what you’re saying is…men who dress as women SHOULD be allowed into these places, regardless of the women’s wishes…and women who dress like men should be kept out…

            That’s kind of interesting, considering your view on things. Don’t you consider that as being half a bigot or something? 🙂

          • Jalapeno

            How do you decide which women we listen to? The one who are uncomfortable with trans women or the ones who are uncomfortable with trans men?

          • Nidalap

            You just keep the situation the way it has been for untold decades. Don’t give in to the Perversion Movement to try to force society into some new, fantasy formation.

          • Jalapeno

            So… Have people who visibly appear to be women go in the shelter and keep people who appear to be men out?

            Good choice.

          • Nidalap

            Ah! So THAT’S what’s been happening all these years? So no need for any new laws or decrees on the subject?

            Good call! 🙂

          • Jalapeno

            So.. How do you decide which women should be uncomfortable?

            Did you just decide that any abused woman who is uncomfortable around someone who looks like a man is wrong, but any that are more concerned with birth genitals are to be protected at all costs?

          • Nidalap

            Sorry! You just said this is what’s been going on all along so no change needs to be made!
            It’s a big relief, I’m telling you. Make sure to tell all your buddies! 🙂

          • Jalapeno

            Yeah, I guess it’s kind of a hard decision to make eh?

            Oh well.

          • Debbie

            There is a simple solution, his name is Jesus. All they have to do is seek him with a sincere heart as many, many others have done. Today, testimonies from all over the world, from all nations of men tell of the saving power of the living Go. The preaching if the gospel of Jesus Christ is the power of the living God. Jesus commanded his disciples, not catholics,not Jehovah’s witnesses, not baptist etc. but his disciples to preach repentance! And those that are truly his, shall do just that. Amen ! Signs and wonders shall follow those that love(OBEY) his commandments. Amen! Obama and all his household needs to lead the way in the repenting !-Amen

          • Debbie

            Amen ! If this thing is about feelings, free all the prisoners that are being held behind bars. All the guilty criminals were feeling some feeling when they committed crimes ? ? ? The truth being told, truly, this is a most wicked and perverse generation of fornicators and adulterous people who loves to have it so. Where are all the ordinances for the poor and the needy ? ? ? Satan is a lost all the day long, and all his children do the same. These wicked and perverted people need to “REPENT” before it is everlasting too late. If you think you are a match for that flame of hell. Go full speed ahead, but what rihhtvdo you have to prevent others from the salvation of their souls ? ? ? In the name of Jesus !

          • Debbie

            They need the salvation of Jesus, God so loved(walked in good) the world. He sent his only begotten son, the best of himself. God manifested himself to the world in the person of Christ. Healing mind, body and healing of the soul is available to all who cry out to him. Many of the doctors need him likewise Amen God didn’ t send the only begotten doctors. He sent his Son the Lord Jesus in his stead, to finished the work. The redemption of the lost sheep.

          • Barefoot in MN

            you are correct, they do need healing & self-acceptance, and that comes from Jesus. BUT — it’s a long-term fix! WHAT ABOUT TONIGHT ? what do you do right now, tonight, with the females-born-female, who need safe place to sleep (have you ever tried to fall asleep in a place where you didn’t feel safe?) — where do you place those humans? name the place. Now.

            The females-born-male (the currently approved term is “transgender”) still have the (ahem, trying to be polite here) equipment that males have. Thus, the females-born-female may be genuinely having PTSD triggered from expereicnes being molested etc by males-born-male. It’s not as if the females-born-female can help that ! they aren’t maliciously seeking out excuses to be cruel to another human being — they just want to FEEL safe at the same time as technically BEing safe.

          • Matt Angelucci

            Interesting. It occurs to me that a person is as they are born, plus what they do. I don’t think anyone can just make a “…decision about who they were.” Obviously, some whim/wish fulfillment, if that is the right term, is involved with “trans-genders.”

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            Idiots who enable their belief that they are female.

          • Jalapeno

            Yeah, I’m sure you understand their situations better than the doctors.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            The “doctors” who perpetrated this fraud were deviants, Kinsey and his enablers actively deceived many, including you. I don’t care if you ranger rumps, just don’t try to tell me it is normal, or that a person in need of psychiatric care only needs hormones and surgery. Your ignorance is self sought.

          • Jalapeno

            Did you think that people just went “Oh, hey, this guy said this might be a thing” and stopped doing any research or critical thought on it?

            “person in need of psychiatric care only needs hormones and surgery”

            Who said anything about them ONLY getting the medical side cared for?

          • Debbie

            Amen! God calls it madness….

      • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

        Trans women are not women, they are mentally ill males.

    • Josey

      Shows their hypocrisy!

  • Tandrea Spain

    Most women’s shelters also have a capacity limit and only allow so many women per night/week/month into the women’s shelter. I feel it is very wrong and inconsiderate of a MAN to occupy a space, that should go to a woman. So because this man wanted entry in the women’s shelter, a woman and her child was probably turned away. This is wrong.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      Luckily, there is no man in this story. A transwoman is, for all intents and purposes, a woman.

      • Tandrea Spain

        No amount of surgery could ever transition a man into a woman. HE is a feminized male. That is all… carry on.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Science disagrees.

          • Donald Jacks

            DNA says other wise

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            No it doesn’t. You are confused about what “science” is.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Okay, well, the American Psychological Association wrote a position paper on treating transgenderism. They came to the conclusion that transgender people are the sex that they present as. If you think you’re smarter and know more about psychology than the APA, feel free to write a paper.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            Psychology isn’t science and a position paper is a political statement. Phooey. Go chase an ambulance, preferably one that has stopped.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            So you don’t actually have any arguments that would refute the position of the APA, then?

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            Hmmm, yes I do, but you wouldn’t be able to comprehend.

          • Debbie

            Transgenderism is a lie, you are a child of God or you are a child of Satan, the devil, the wicked one, a liar and the father of all lies. So they, whoever you believe them to be are all of the father of all lies.

          • Bob Johnson

            Demon Theory of medicine is, generally speaking, no longer considered valid in court. So you can maintain the idea that transgenderism is a lie, however, in time the growing body of case law will make you position less likely to receive a favorable review.

          • Tandrea Spain

            Psychology is a subjective ideology that can not be measured. Science, however, is based in fact… and objective facts determine reality.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Great. Then you should have no difficulty in tearing apart the studies that explain transgenderism.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            The shrinks – decades ago – considered HOMOS DISORDERED…but then omitted that “disorder” b/c of – wait for it: POLITICAL PRESSURE!

            So much for “science”. LOL

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Or because it wasn’t a disorder.

            A thousand years ago, doctors thought that bloodletting and leeches cured ailments. Was that more correct than antibiotics and surgery?

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            U attempt to compare apples to oranges. #HOMOSEXUAL is a DEMON. Regardless of any “disorder” classification. Only pointed out to prove that psychology is not science. It is made-up mumbo-jumbo by witchcraft drug-pushers.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Why isn’t it? It creates hypotheses, tests them, and develops theories based on the results. Why is it not science?

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            It makes up fake “disorders” and calls them science. There is no objective testing that can be done to scientifically prove/disprove their so-called theories. Junk science at best. SATANIC FRAUD is actually their stock in trade.

          • Debbie

            Can science take a seat on the witness stand ?

          • Bob Johnson

            Yes. They are called expert witnesses. These are the people who explain the DNA findings that you spoke of above and psychologist, usually members of the APA, who explain the science of gender to the court.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            No, but scientists can.

      • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

        It can never be a woman, as it is genetically XX. It is a male in need of psychiatric treatment.

        • Debbie

          Amen ! Today , right now, not tomorrow. All who will call in the Lord Jesus shall be preserved. Amen!

        • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

          They need to REPENT & BE DELIVERED OF DEMONS!

      • Debbie

        This is what you are saying, once again your statement is just that, your statement. Tandrea has made her statement. Now, where is your evidence ? In the courts of law, there must be evidence. The DNA is of a male, the great hypocrisy of this whorish nation, is that they should set every prisoner who has been convicted by DNA evidence. What do you have to say about that ? The DNA remains the same, it does not matter how many co-workers of iniquity are willing to plead, aid and or abet the fornicators. The DNA evidence is the the truth of the whole matter.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          A good place to start is the APA’s paper, “Guidelines for Psychological Practice with Transgender and Gender Nonconforming People.” Go read that and come back to me.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            Use it as toilet paper – then flush it – or burn it.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Why? Because you’re afraid to consider the possibility that your long-held beliefs might be wrong?

          • Peter Berg

            The APA can write all the papers it wants but that does not prove the efficacy of their proposed treatments. Gender Dysphoria which afflicts perhaps 1 in 5,000 individuals is the unease that an individual feels with the social gender role of their biological sex. Gender is a social construct and as such normative behavior for a given gender is fluid both within and between societies. Sex on the other hand is an immutable biological fact. Gender roles vary from society to society. Sex with very rare exceptions is an easily verifiable scientific fact. You either have a Y chromosome or you don’t. People with gender dysphoria are uncomfortable with the roles and behaviors society expects from people of their sex. If the APA thinks the solution to that problem is to send their patients to a surgeon sex for reassignment surgery then they are as wrong. It is like a mechanic telling you he can fix your red car that needs a new timing belt by sending it to the paint shop and painting it blue. It is true your red car won’t need fixing when he is done but he hasn’t really relieved the problem. Your blue car will run just as badly as the red one. The idea that your birth sex could not match your gender presumes that things like wearing dresses versus pants is biologically determined as opposed to socially determined. We are not born with culture we acquire it so if a person is uncomfortable with their gender what they are really saying is they are uncomfortable with the culture they live in not with their biological sex. Psychiatry ought to be able to help with that without resulting to knives and hormones.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Six your refutation to the entire body of psychological research on transgenderism is to say, “nuh uh, you’re all wrong!”? No citations, no evidence, nothing?

      • Peter Berg

        Well except for the dick and balls. I assume you are aware that most self-identified trans women haven’t had surgery and that a large percentage are still sexually attracted to women. What they are in fact are transvestites, people who for whatever fouled up psychology desire to dress as women. These people need help and understanding but indulging their fantasies makes as much sense as addressing a person who thinks he is Napoleon as “Your Excellency”

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Um, nearly every word of that is completely and utterly incorrect. I don’t even know where to start.

          • Peter Berg

            “I don’t even know where to start.” is your way of saying I haven’t a clue about the subject but that won’t keep me from babbling on about it. Chopping perfectly functional organs off of lunatics is barbaric and ought not to be allowed in a civilized country. Deranged people need psychiatric help not surgery and if any collection of presumed medical professionals would mutilate a human body at the behest of a sick individual they ought to lose their medical licenses.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            No, it’s my way of saying that between your inexplicable hostility and apparently-total closed mindedness about the subject, I can’t establish even a baseline to discuss the subject.

            Let me at least establish this: you believe that you know better than doctors, psychologists, and transgender people how to deal with transgenderism, correct? If so, why?

          • Peter Berg

            Science is seldom settled and if you don’t believe that read the APA’s DSM 1, DSM 2, DSM 3, and DSM 4 and compare to DSM 5 on this or almost any other topic. Remember these are the same people who advocated performing hysterectomies on women caught masturbating. Sure they know better now but they were just as certain about that treatment back in the day as they are about the proper treatment of Gender Dysphoria today. Many doctors and psychologists disagree with the efficacy of sex reassignment surgery and there are few long term studies of outcomes or sufficient numbers to draw good conclusions. What is known is that hormones are powerful substances and they are frequently associated with all sorts of long term risks including cancers and metabolic problems. Further surgery to remove perfectly healthy organs is just plain nuts. Would you amputate a patients leg because they had a body integrity dysphoria? Or blind them because they believed they should be blind? The old Hypocratic oath – first do no harm applies here. Until you cite something other than the latest Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders I am going to assume you are a know nothing with an axe to grind who has found a tiny platform to do it on and is doing it for all it is worth.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            If you mean that I’m not a psychologist, you’re correct. I’m a lawyer.

            However, I can do some impromptu research. The DSM-5 defines a sufferer of gender dysphoria as one whose feeling of being the wrong gender has caused them psychological distress for at least six months.

            It doesn’t describe treatment. Treatment is described in a number of different manuals, the vast majority of which (if not all) consider gender dysphoria real, valid, and best treated by acknowledging the patient’s need to live as the opposite gender.

            Also, I should point out that the American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Medical Association, and nearly every other mainstream medical or mental health organization that has weighed in on the subject has come to the same conclusion.

          • Peter Berg

            I am not questioning the reality of gender dysphoria. No doubt it is a real affliction. What I am questioning is following a mentally disturbed individual down a rabbit hole, especially one fraught with known health risks and body mutilation. If they cannot be helped to adapt to society or society helped to adapt to a broader range of gender displays with less drastic procedures than hormone treatments and genital mutilation then they are going to end up with a whole new set of problems in addition to their gender dysphoria. Go see who is actually performing these sex reassignment surgeries and you are going to find mainly private clinics. The guys with deep pockets know the suicide rate and other health risks associated with SRS and don’t want to swim in that risk pool no matter what the APA or AMA or any other professional organization says. After all who sues the AMA or APA for malpractice? You are the lawyer. You should be able to answer that one. If the WPATH-SOC are wrong but followed to a T it is still the surgeon and hospital that get sued and when they do there will be no shortage of expert witnesses with credentials out the wazoo who will testify for the plaintiff.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Regret after surgery isn’t grounds for a medical malpractice lawsuit. Not that it’s a realistic possibility anyway, because the best hope for mental stability of sufferers IS to transition them, but a million factors, including the risks associated with surgery and the patient’s resources, determine what stage the transition ends at (or pauses at).

            If you think that transgender people should NOT live their lives as the gender they present as, what is your solution?

          • Peter Berg

            Psychotherapy. There are probably a couple of different underlying conditions driving the desire to present as the opposite sex/gender. Some of these individuals are probably homosexual and guilt ridden over it and believe if they had the bodies of the other sex their desires would be less sinful for want of a better term. Others are likely pure transvestites who get sexually aroused from wearing the other sexes clothing. There are likely a number of other underlying mental problems as well i.e. I don’t think there is any single problem or magic bullet cure. All I know for sure is the knife is not the answer any more than chopping a leg off of a patient with Body identity Disorder is an acceptable treatment. Acknowledging the reality of the patient’s suffering is one thing. Validating their delusions is another.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Okay, so what therapy do you recommend? Since it will be in contradiction to the recommendation of every major medical and psychological organization in America, you better back it up with some incredible proof.

          • Peter Berg

            Dysphoria is a symptom not a disease. There is no indication that Gender Dysphoria has a single cause and it is seldom encountered without other psychological problems. Treatments have to be tailored to the underlying problem(s). In 1864 we might have routinely chopped whole limbs off of patients because we could not treat the underlying infections. In 1954 we might have lobotomized patients with OCD because we didn’t have effective drugs. In 1964 (and even today in some rare case) we still use electroshock to treat depression. These “treatments” are desperate attempts to fix a broken mind with a saw and in extremely rare circumstances may be justified but they ought not be the “cure” of choice especially not if we don’t understand the cause of the symptom. We should not mutilate bodies just because the mind is sick. The first rule of modern medicine is “first do no harm.”

  • meamsane

    There is a clear lack of common sense in the application of these anti-discrimination laws that validate a person’s “feelings” as to their “gender” and the reality of what their gender actually is!
    These trans-people should be treated for their mental disorder and not have their mental disorder treated as a “civil right”!
    Insanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Ambulance Chaser

      What treatment would you propose?

      • Donald Jacks

        its a sin problem. They need to repent and put their faith in Jesus and he will save them from the wrath to come on judgment day

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Okay, show me a study proving that being a Christian “cures” people of being transgender.

          • Donald Jacks

            Jesus is the cure repent put your faith in Christ alone he will change you. Go online look for testimonies of people being saved out of the homosexual

          • Ambulance Chaser

            That’s not science, that’s anecdotal.

          • Barefoot in MN

            how about you do your own research? if you’re so tolerant, you won’t mind. And if your views are correct, they’ll stand up to close scrutiny.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            You want me to do research to prove a point I disagree with? Why? Can’t you carry your own burden of proof?

  • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

    The very ones who they are running from is there among them. How safe can they truly feel? This has gotten way out of hand.

  • Gal 5:22-23

    A Catholic Church employee at the time of staying in the shelter who didn’t recognize the trans-woman’s gender is complaining about their extended stay with this person, obviously without a real incidence.

    Would a trans-woman be safe in a men’s shelter? They and the other women were in the women’s shelter.

    Surprises me that some Christians are so fearful of contemporary Samaritans, where is their faith in the arms of the Lord?

  • Jalapeno

    I wish people would just acknowledge that this is a hard line to draw.

    Are we just supposed to say that no transgendered people are allowed in womens shelters at all? Are we just supposed to dismiss the fact that many women think that trans-women belong in there with them?

    • hytre64

      Are we supposed to dismiss the fact that many women don’t believe that a sexually confused male should be in a shelter where battered, abused women go to try to pick up the pieces of their life?

      • Ronald Carter

        You shouldn’t be concerned about anyone who is “sexually confused”. You should only be concerned for your safety if the person is violent and/or unstable.

        • hytre64

          It is not whether or not they are “sexually confused”. The problem is that they are undeniably, physically MALE. Women who have finally had the courage to leave abusive situations, where the abuse was perpetrated by a male, have often lost the ability to feel truly safe in the presence of a male. To then put them into a situation where they have to share a common sleeping area, public bathrooms, etc with a male puts them under stress and runs counter to the reason why these are Women’s Shelters.

          • Ronald Carter

            “The problem is that they are undeniably, physically MALE.”

            If that’s a problem, then the problem belongs to you. Their doctors clearly don’t think they are, and they themselves don’t think they are. You are basing EVERYTHING on what they were physically born with and ignoring the mental component completely, choosing to dismiss them as freaks. Unless you’ve got a medical degree I don’t recognize where it’s your place to say that.

          • hytre64

            If their *physician* (not psychologist) cannot determine that he is a male, then he ought to lost his license to practice medicine.

            If they have not gone through sex-reassignment surgery, then they are still physically male and should be treated as such for places where women’s privacy and safety is paramount – ie. bathroom, locker rooms, shower, and women’s shelters.

            I don’t care that they have a mental illness – their illness should not infringe upon the privacy, safety and security of women in these areas.

  • TheBottomline4This

    Transgender is an emotional / mental illness.

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Their supporters are the most serious problem. Irresiponsible crowds for amusement. Secularists are trying to tame the Christian population so that they could freely continue the evil. That’s what Nazis did. They do the unthinkable little by little. The Holy Bible is the only key for sanity and liberty in any era.

      • TheBottomline4This

        Some of their supporters bring up the suicide rate among trans. The trans population is very small in the world. Suicides are bad, but people of all walks of life commit suicide. It’s kind of interesting how those who bring that up and seem SO concerned about “saving a life” are more than likely pro choice. SMH

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Yes, indeed. Secular nations are suffering from mental illness because they suppress Christianity thus the only wholesome morality. Secularists would do anything to oppose Christianity. They will start supporting something far worse than homosexuality and transgender, and the Christians must fight on to protect children. So much damage is being done already. Society can’t handle too many mental patients.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Sadly I’ve seen a small amount of talk about pedophiles and them and their rights. That’s seriously disgusting for that to even be brought up. That could be why a few are mentioning lowering the age of consent. Have you heard of this?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes. I heard they’d even rape the creation world such as the oceans. The oceans won’t get hurt, but human children would, indeed. If people feel lust over the members of same-sex, what entity could be spared from their filthy lust? It must be some demon-possession instead of mere mental illness. The Church must pray on and teach God’s truth, no matter what mankind becomes of.

          • Bob Johnson

            So what do you suggest we do with these human beings? Lock them in prisons? Electric shock treatment? frontal lobotomy? You appear to disagree with current medical/psychological treatments.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Christians are the only people who can protect and benefit the LGBT people. The same-sex living-together must never be acknowledged as marriage although funding for accommodation will be given to them. No access to children unless they are biologically related. The schools must teach that the homosexual and transgender inclinations are morally wrong, but those with such inclinations must not be bullied or hurt by others in any way. Calling for repentance is not to be categorized as bullying or hurting but the vital and good thing for all. LGBT people must be encouraged to give up the sinful lifestyle from the teachings of the Holy Bible.

          • Bob Johnson

            Christian Biblical understanding has not worked well with murder or theft as prisons are still full. The courts are full of divorce cases because of adultery. And these are sins straight from the Ten Commandments. It seems that the teachings of the Bible does not work to prevent sin.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Biblical Christianity works. Prisoners covert to Christianity because atheism is the most meaningless ideology in any serious situations. Most Americans identify themselves as Christian unconditionally anyway. Christianity has been the Western civilization’s only functioning conscience thus of the entire world. The Western culture has only abortion, suicide, and sexual immorality as its core values apart from Christianity and the Holy Bible. The Holy Bible gives mankind the way of salvation and educates everyone to be civilized. America is a mere junk if it does not have Christianity as a man without conscience is a thug. You need Christianity for mental health and protection of women and children.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Fyi, it was the vote-pandering govts of the liberal Blue States who began abolishing sodomy laws, adultery laws n the death penalty during the 1960s which hv resulted in yr above-mentioned statistics n moral bankruptcy.
            …….So, many atheists, non-Christians, false/liberal Christians, Blacks, Hispanics, etc take advantage of being liberated from God’s Law n became lawless bc of lack of punishment n deterrence by the govt or criminal justice system.

      • Jolanda Tiellemans

        *facepalm* Seriously? Yeah, of course you are serious, what am I thinking.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Secularism endangers women and children because it is sexually immoral. Men need Judeo-Christian values to truly protect women and children.

    • TheBottomline4This

      satan is a busy guy.
      he has them blinded and they don’t even know it.
      It’s sad really.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Yes, indeed. We must work for truth and liberty as our forefathers did, preaching the Gospel to the world’s end.

  • Olivia

    This trans movement is seriously misogynistic. Real women are being forced to accommodate these faux “women.” This isn’t right.

    If this isn’t a war on women, what is?
    Not to mention being a war on common sense.

    • TheBottomline4This

      REAL women must stand up to the men who “think” they are women. Not in a rude way, but in a matter of fact way.

      • Olivia

        I hope I don’t ever encounter one of these creeps in the ladies’ room. I’m pretty easygoing most of the time, but this kind of nonsense really gets me worked up. This is OUR space, the men have their space, it’s worked pretty well, so changing it to accommodate the most bizarre people on the planet is nothing but contempt for women.

        • TheBottomline4This

          If a guy “thinks” he’s a woman, I don’t think he would be the threat. The guy who is pretending to be a trans would be the problem.

          • hytre64

            I would be worried about the reactions of a Man who is mentally ill enough to believe he is a woman, when confronted by someone who says that it is inappropriate for them to be (a) in a women’s shelter (b) in a women’s restroom and (c) changing/showering in a women’s locker room.

            If they are already that mentally delusional, I worry that they may become physically violent.

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          Maybe you already met one of them, you just didn’t know she was trans.

    • Emmanuel

      It’s time for real women to stand up with power and with a strong voice.

      • Tandrea Spain

        How can we do that? On what medium or platform? I would love to.

        • Emmanuel

          Start local; newspaper, radio and social media. You can do a Youtube video. Look for outlets that will take on the issue with you, I like PJ Media on YouTube.

    • Tandrea Spain

      Thank you! – This!… It is a WAR ON WOMEN. So glad to see women realizing what this is about. They want to erase female biology. We should stop calling these pseudo women “trans women”. They may be feminized males, but it is not possible for a man to ever be a woman.

      • Barefoot in MN

        agreed. We should remind the stoopid world: females-born-female actually do THINK and process emotion differently from humans-born-male. That is why males have a hard time comprehending us (LOL), that’s why all the jokes about men needing an instruction book along with a wife/girlfriend….

  • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

    In pandering for the votes of the LGBTQs, the power-crazy liberal Blue States did not consider the interests n feelings of real women.

    Seems, the liberal feminist movement, eg Hillary Clinton, is also supporting this pro-LGBTQ bathroom policy bc they r awfully quiet about this.
    …….If so, that means most liberals would do almost anything just to secure political power.

  • Madmouse

    This is part and parcel of the Islamization of the U.S. Women are pets at best with them, once women have their rights stripped from them, the muslims will kill all the “trans” people and there won’t be any gender confusion. Ya’ll keep fighting amongst yourselves, it’s all collected, collated, and studied so they can control you more efficiently.

  • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

    Welcome to Satan’s NWO!! Ain’t life grand?

    #HATEtheSTATE!

  • ComeOnPeople!

    A study was done on male and female brain waves and 100% of the time females brains acted differently to stress or danger then mens. Mens brains ALL when stress or danger arose had blood pump into the brain in great amounts , where as in the females brain the blood actually decreased. This happened 100% of the time. That is an amazing study to show just how different each gender is, not according to what they claim to be but what in reality they actually are.

    Science does not disprove in anyway gender differences but clearly points to them. The male body and female body are very uniquely gender specific. DNA amazingly shows there are males and females and that goes according to DNA. If a man who identifies as a female has his DNA examined , science & thew practice of Medicine will quickly point to the facts. A thought or a feeling does not change reality or truth.

  • ComeOnPeople!

    My posts for no legit reasons are flagged and deleted but hey I shall try again. Usually deleted when in reply to two posters on this site who disagree with me and do not want my posts to be read . They scream to be heard yet silence others. So here we go a repost …

    Please look into a study that was done on male and female brain waves . 100% of the time females brains acted differently to stress or danger then mens brains. Mens brains ALL when stress or danger arose had blood pump into the brain in great amounts , where as in the females brain the blood actually decreased. This happened 100% of the time. This was an amazing study that showed just how different each gender is, not according to what they claim to be but what in reality they actually were. 100% results from each gender is beyond proof of just how different men and women are.

    Science does not disprove in anyway gender differences but clearly points to them. The male body and female body are very uniquely gender specific. DNA amazingly shows there are males and females and that goes according to DNA. If a man who identifies as a female has his DNA examined , science & the practice of Medicine will quickly point to the facts. A thought or a feeling does not change reality or truth.