Obama Issues Annual Proclamation Calling Upon Americans to ‘Celebrate’ June as ‘LGBT Pride Month’

Obama With BackgroundWASHINGTON — As the most vocal president in American history in regard to homosexuality and transgenderism, Barack Obama issued on Tuesday his eighth annual proclamation calling upon Americans to “celebrate diversity” in observing June as “LGBT Pride Month.”

“Since our founding, America has advanced on an unending path toward becoming a more perfect Union,” he wrote in his lengthy proclamation, which praised advocates who seek to change the nation’s laws for homosexual causes.

“The fight for dignity and equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people is reflected in the tireless dedication of advocates and allies who strive to forge a more inclusive society,” Obama said. “They have spurred sweeping progress by changing hearts and minds and by demanding equal treatment—under our laws, from our courts, and in our politics.”

Therefore, he said, “This month, we recognize all they have done to bring us to this point, and we recommit to bending the arc of our Nation toward justice.”

He lauded the U.S. Supreme Court opinion requiring states to recognize same-sex nuptials as a “historic victory” that provided “newfound hope” for homosexuals. Obama also outlined his opposition to therapy for youth who struggle with feelings toward the same gender, and called upon Congress to pass a law prohibiting entities who contract with the federal government from having policies deemed discriminatory.

The effort, which is currently being argued on Capitol Hill, has raised concern for faith-based organizations that have lifestyle requirements for their employees.

“LGBT individuals deserve to know their country stands beside them,” Obama said. “We remain committed to addressing health disparities in the LGBT community—gay and bisexual men and transgender women of color are at a particularly high risk for HIV, and we have worked to strengthen our National HIV/AIDS Strategy to reduce new infections…”

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“[O]ur Nation has made great strides in recognizing what these brave individuals long knew to be true in their hearts—that love is love and that no person should be judged by anything but the content of their character,” he stated. “During Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month, as Americans wave their flags of pride high and march boldly forward in parades and demonstrations, let us celebrate how far we have come and reaffirm our steadfast belief in the equal dignity of all Americans.”

Obama signed his proclamation urging celebration on the 31st day of May “in the year of our Lord.”

“Now therefore, I, Barack Obama, president of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim June 2016 as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month,” he wrote. “I call upon the people of the United States to eliminate prejudice everywhere it exists, and to celebrate the great diversity of the American people.”

As previously reported, homosexuality was outlawed in early America as a number of states passed sodomy laws under their criminal statutes, banning sexual activity between those of the same gender due to biblical prohibitions against it.

Romans 1:26-27 reads, “For this cause, God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.”

Jesus also said in Mark 10:6-8, “But from the beginning of the Creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife, and they twain shall be one flesh.”

“By 1791, when the original 13 states ratified the Bill of Rights, they all treated sodomy as a criminal offense,” chronicles on early American history state.

In 1778, General George Washington, the first president of the United States, ordered Lieutenant Frederick Gotthold Enslin to be drummed out of the camp for “attempting to commit sodomy” with a male soldier.

His March 14th proclamation stated, “His Excellency, the Commander in Chief, approves the sentence, and with abhorrence and detestation of such infamous crimes, orders Lieut. Enslin to be drummed out of camp tomorrow morning by all the drummers and fifers in the Army never to return; the drummers and fifers to attend on the Grand Parade at guard mounting for that purpose.”


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  • Amos Moses

    Where is Joan Rivers when you need her ………………

    • Josey

      You know she was telling the truth for she had homosexual and transgender friends so she would know. It didn’t bother her when she said that, she was telling ppl to get over it for we already had a tranny in the people’s house, she wasn’t against homosexuality, she knew what it looked liked, she was around it a lot.

  • TopnColorado

    . . . and I, an old broke down biker and combat vet proclaim this month as “Love a White Christian Month”!

    • Theodore Fenton

      In the United States of America we already have 10 months out of the year set aside for that.

  • Michael C

    As previously reported, homosexuality was outlawed in early America…

    And this is where this article took a frighteningly bizarre turn.

    Was the last half of this article some sort of weird patriotic nostalgia? By citing the views of homosexuality held by our Nation’s Founders, is Ms. Clark attempting to argue that criminalizing homosexuality is the True American ™ thing to do?

    • TheBottomline4This

      I don’t think lgbtxyz choices should be criminalized, but it shouldn’t be celebrated either.
      If you’re going to criminalize lgbtxyz choices, then adultery should be treated the same since that choice is wrong too.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    People should be thankful to all the fathers in June instead of spreading the depraved immorality in the submission to Obama. No submission to the perv rich. Sin is slavery. Jesus gives us freedom by the truth. (John ch. 8)

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      I’m very thankfull to my father, he teached me to think for myself, to not judge others without knowing that person, to live and let live.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Jesus told us to judge with righteous judgment. (Matthew ch.5-7, John ch.7) Just not-judging leads to moral chaos as seen on today. In your father’s days, people were more normal and moral. He probably never imagined America would be like this.

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          Actually I live in the Netherlands where LGBT people are accepted for a very long time now. Where SSM is a fact since 2001. He as I believe in equal rights for LGBT people and he is 81. He by the way lives in Belgium where SSM is a fact since 2003.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Western Europe needs Christianity for salvation and morality. It’s great that the Westerners admitted the guilt of racism against the colored people. They did a better job against racism than any others on earth. Who imagined that the Westerners would use racial equality in unconditional support of sexual depravity? Having everything for a too long time is not good to human character. The Christian Westerners of yesteryears would have completely wasted their life if it wasn’t for the global Christian population. The powerful West does mega evil by deprating from the Biblical truth. Racism was horrible, but sexual perversion is far worse because it corrupts global children. May God reduce the Sodomic West for the sake of His holy name. Children have rights to innocence and sexual purity. People have rights to Biblical morality and a clear conscience.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            You do realise telling all this to someone who doesn’t believe in your God is a waste of time, right?

          • Josey

            Then stop coming here because you are going to hear it regardless and you’ll be held accountable for the truth given that you rejected, what a sad thing, I pity you.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            LOL!!! Has still no affect on me whatever you write. I came on here because of the article.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I write for Christians here. This is an open arena. I want you Westerners to remember your own history because your ancestors were Christian. Atheists and perv liberals warped the history lessons by giving false godless opinions on the history of the Western civilization. They took away God from science and they shame their own noble Christian forefathers who are incomparably better than themselves. It’s like seeing rotten kids slandering good parents. I pity your hard-working Christian ancestors for having such disgraceful descendants like you. You pretend to be better than your Christian ancestors by hiding racism. Well, someone has to speak up that racism is still better than baby-killing and sexual perversion. Nazism was a wake-up call for mankind regarding Darwinian racism. Today’s Sodomic Western culture is a wake-up all for moral chaos. You guys need Christianity to be human.

          • Graham Nicholls

            You do not.
            I am a Christian. You do not write for me. Nothing which comes from you represents anything I would write. I am a Christian. Jesus Christ is Lord. And that’s about all you and I have in common, so please, _please_ do not claim to write for Christians. You write for you and none other. I’m sure you’ll have lots of upvotes – plenty of Christians will agree with you. But many will vehemently disagree. Some humility is called for.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I mean I write for the Western Christians to read. Please do not support Sodomy if you are Christian. Sodomic West and its young mental slaves are a global pollution to the planet and to the entire mankind. Get some normal morality. You guys colonized the world and abused the world as you claim; now the the planet is sinking because your civilization pushes and funds Sodomy everywhere. Feel ashamed of immorality and get back some Christian morality. People have rights to life. Fight against Sodomic tyranny as your forefathers did for liberty.

      • Josey

        what you call judging others you got backwards, God’s word is judge and the judging one is not suppose to do is hypocritical judging, if I judge one for drinking alcohol for example and drink it myself that is judging wrongly, hypocritical judging. You are so proud of yourself, you reek of it, huh? James 4:6 “But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.”
        Proverbs 16:18,19 vs18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. vs19 Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.
        I can admit to judging wrongly at times and God had to chastise me and show me the correct way to judge and test the spirits, I admit I am a work in progress and I am allowing God my potter to mold me as He sees fit, I am by no means perfect, not yet, there is a spiritual war going on with the fleshly mind but one day God will change me in the twinkling of an eye and I will be perfect in spirit, soul and body. God never said to not call sin for what it is and you call that judging, you live in some made up fantasy world of your own making if you believe that but I know you have judged others on here, you have judged Christians on this site when you have no idea what you are talking about but yet you brag about how good you are having not judged anyone, pride. God alone is good and apart from Him there is no good thing in us, why we need Christ.

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          I don’t judge people I don’t know. You really think I never encountered Christians like you in real life?

      • Theodore Fenton

        You’re illiterate: “he teached me.”

        LOL

  • TheBottomline4This

    There is nothing to be proud about toward these abominable choices they make.

    • Pollos Hermanos

      Turns out it really isn’t your decision as to who or what other people can be proud of.

      • TheBottomline4This

        Yes it is. We are to judge right from wrong.

        • Pollos Hermanos

          Great. Don’t have any buttsecks if you think its wrong.

          The rest of us just want you to shut up about it.

          • TheBottomline4This

            What a judgmental person you are.
            You’re like…don’t judge, but I’ll judge you in saying that. smh

          • Pollos Hermanos

            Can you see Fresno from that cross you’ve hung yourself on?

            Go mind your own darn business and shut up. You’re not a victim here simply because most of us think you’re a jerk.

          • TheBottomline4This

            No. There is nothing to be proud about toward these abominable choices they make.

          • Pollos Hermanos

            I find your choice of religions to be an abomination and an unhealthy obsession with fantasy.

            You need help.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You don’t even know which denomination I am.
            Are you l, g. b or t?

          • Pollos Hermanos

            Doesn’t matter which choice of denominations you pick. It’s still an unhealthy obsession with fantasy coupled with a pathological need to tell other people how to live their lives.

            You are one mentally unstable person with a persecution complex a mile wide.

            Seek help.

          • TheBottomline4This

            For someone who dislikes judging, you sure do judge a lot. Hypocrite.

            Sorry your sexual abomination has made you so hateful and intolerant. Seek counseling for that Polly.

          • Pollos Hermanos

            You poor picked on victim. It’s horrible when somebody treats you exactly the same way you treat others isn’t it.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Seek counseling for that Polly.

          • Pollos Hermanos

            You’re the one with unhealthy delusions that an invisible man in the sky sits around obsessing about where people touch each other.

            Get help.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Seek counseling Polly.

          • Pollos Hermanos

            Who exactly is Polly?

            Is that what you call one of the invisible people you talk to every day?

          • TheBottomline4This

            If you’re here long enough Polly, you’ll get it 🙂

            Get counseling for your abominal choice.

          • Pollos Hermanos

            I didn’t realize you were slow as well as delusional.

            Now I feel really bad for mocking your poor life choices. It’s clear now that you don’t know any better.

            Can you put a grown up on the computer for me to talk with? I need to apologize to them for humiliating you so badly. I wouldn’t have done it if I had known about your condition.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You humor yourself only Polly.
            lgbtxyz is an abomination that will not end well for those choosing it.
            Seek help dear.

          • Pollos Hermanos

            I pity you.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Seek counseling Polly.

    • The Last Trump

      I know, right?
      “LGBT Pride Month” !?
      No thank you, Mr Imposter in Chief.
      My Bible says that pride goeth before a fall!
      And don’t me started on the lgbt part!

      • Theodore Fenton

        In time, you’ll get used to the idea.

        • The Last Trump

          No, I really won’t.
          You see, the idea won’t actually be around for very long.
          (Psssst! Read the end of The Book! You’re welcome!:)

          • gogo0

            american christians got used to not having slaves, sharing facilities with blacks, interracial marriage, the end of alcohol prohibition, etc… gays will fade into the background when in the future you focus on sex VR devices, women preachers, or another tall building that people will use to invade heaven.

          • Kelly Samuelson

            Christians weren’t the only people opposed to those things when they were happening. Also, none of the things you mentioned (besides gays) were ever a sin to God. Homosexuality is the only sin mentioned in your comment. That and sex VR devices

        • Ronald Carter

          Like the rest of the world did, oh, about a million years ago.

        • Becky

          You’re gravely mistaken. God’s people will do no such thing. Lot, a righteous man, was “oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked” and the Sodom citizens, “tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds” (2 Peter 2:4-11). It is the same for God’s people today.

        • Kelly Samuelson

          Why are we being forced to conform? It’s ‘freedom’ as long as you agree and go along, right?

      • Charles

        Pride is a bad thing to have in God’s world…

        Proverbs 6:16-19King James Version (KJV)

        16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

        17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

        18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

        19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

        They’ll find that out soon enough.

  • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

    Now that the month of June has been tarnished by the leader of the en tarnation, it may be better to avoid the word entirely. Let’s proceed directly to July as follows:

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    • Josey

      LOL…I can go for that

  • Theodore Fenton

    Yesterday in Canada, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau raised the pride flag for the first time on Parliament Hill. The struggle continues, but these are great times we live in!

    • Ginger

      I would not say “great times”. I do say it is interesting times as the countdown continues to the seventh trump. The birth and death of Jesus Christ fulfilled 85% of biblical prophesies. We are watching the remainder being fulfilled.

    • Semp

      Yeah, I’m so inspired that I snickered.

    • Josey

      Great times for a Child of God but a short time for you unless you repent before the door is closed, enjoy what little time you have left for I’d rather suffer with the righteous than trade for a few extra years of doing whatever I please to suffer eternity in hell where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth and torment that will never end and where you’ll remember every time you had been warned, had been told about God’s loving kindness, reminded of how you rejected Him again and again.

  • [email protected]

    Yes America used to reject gay people but then again America also used to be okay with slavery. America was not perfect when it was founded and we should be trying to make a more perfect union whenever we can. This means supporting equality for gay people. Christians who still see homosexuality as a sin should realize that they can do so even while supporting equality under the civil law for gay people. There is a difference between something being a sin and the proper treatment under the law.

    We should also stop and reconsider the assumption that homosexuality is a sin. It can be easy to stick with existing assumptions but that does not mean they are right. The case for homosexuality being a sin is not nearly as strong as some think. For example the verse in Romans is not condemning homosexuality itself but rather the depravity in these temple sex practices to which there were no restrictions on the sexual activity that was engaged in.

    • TheBottomline4This

      There’s so much twiisted in what you say here, but I’ll just say…..so you think we should go by your shoulds listed in what you say, but should not go by the shoulds the Bible speaks of.
      Riiight 😉

      • [email protected]

        Not at all. I am not saying we should ignore the Bible at all, rather I am saying that we should re-examine what we think the bible says on this issue becasue many have been taught that it condemns all of homosexuality when that interpretation is highly problematic and certainly not the only potential interpretation of the verses. there is a big difference between saying, lets ignore what the bible says and saying, we need to take a closer look at what the bible says on this.

    • Charles

      Ah.. Hitlers tactic.. “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”.

      Gen 19:5 KJV

      (5) And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

      Lev 18:22 KJV

      (22) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

      Lev 20:13 KJV

      (13) If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

      Deu 22:5 KJV

      (5) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

      Deu 23:17 KJV

      (17) There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

      Jdg 19:22 KJV

      (22) Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.

      Rom 1:26-27 KJV

      (26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

      (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

      Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

      Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

      Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

      Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

      Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

      Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

      Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

      Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

      Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

      1Ti 1:10 KJV

      (10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

      • Theodore Fenton

        Speaking of Hitler:

        “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exposed.”

        [Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922, countering a political opponent, Count Lerchenfeld, who opposed antisemitism on his personal Christian feelings. Published in “My New Order”, quoted in Freethought Today April 1990]

        • Charles

          Are you seriously trying to claim Hitler was a Christian? Here’s a few “Quotes” for you:

          “Christianity is an invention of sick brains,” Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941. and

          “So it’s not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death,” Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941.

          Yeah….

          • Theodore Fenton

            I never claimed he was a good one.

          • Charles

            He wasn’t one at all ever.. The swastika (The Nazi national symbol) is a bent cross, an occult symbol.. Give me a break…They practiced the occult. Hitler used whatever was convenient at the time for him.. Was never a “Christian” at all.. Much like Constantine.

          • Theodore Fenton

            “I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.”

            [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]

          • The Last Trump

            A man KNOWN for consistently speaking the truth.
            Oh, wait.
            Might wanna dig up a better source, bud.
            Just sayin’.

          • Theodore Fenton

            “The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life….”

            [Adolf Hitler, Berlin, February 1, 1933]

          • The Last Trump

            Yes, Adolf Hitler!
            That great defender of Christianity! That PILLAR of Christiandom!
            !?
            Hee, hee! I guess you missed that part about maybe finding a better source, huh?
            But, PLEASE, for heavens sakes, DON’T stop!
            This is a riot! 🙂

          • TheKingOfRhye

            First of all……….Godwin’s Law, proven yet again. Never fails, does it?

            And….does it really matter if Hitler was a Christian or atheist or whatever? Who cares? The guy was crazy. If he was a Christian, Christianity isn’t to blame to that, or neither is atheism, or paganism, or whatever else people try to say he was.

          • The Last Trump

            Um,….think you’re posting to the wrong guy….
            Didn’t bring up Hitler…..
            And agree he was crazy and not a Christian…
            ?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Yeah, my mistake…it was really just meant as a general addition to the conversation, I guess, and not a response to you in particular.

          • The Last Trump

            It’s alright.
            Already well known that you happen to have a particular bias against me.
            I don’t hold it against you. At least you can be civil. 🙂

          • Ronald Carter

            Didn’t he mention Hitler just a moment ago? Where he says sarcastically “that great defender of Christianity”?

            Well, I can see it on MY screen at least.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Anyway, I didn’t really make any claim to what religion if any he was.

          • Charles

            Huh….. And less than ten years later he calls Christianity “Sick”.. So apparently it was a summer thing with him.

          • Theodore Fenton

            “Today Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press – in short, we want to burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past … (few) years.”

            [The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]

          • The Last Trump

            And another anti-Christian charlatan residing in a once, very white house, now painted rainbow. 🙁

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            The swastika is actually a hindu symbol. Look it up, it’s not exactly the same though.

          • Charles

            Yes.. It’s part of the Occult.. Like the Hindus.

          • The Last Trump

            Yeah, I believe it’s called “grasping at straws”.
            Entertaining to watch, isn’t it! 🙂

          • Theodore Fenton

            I never said Christians are honest and trustworthy.

      • This style ten and six

        Are the laws of the USA based on the bible or the Constitution?

        • The Last Trump

          No.
          Just the ones that were once based on Biblical morality.
          You know, the same ones that once made America the great envy of the world instead of it’s unenvied and ridiculed laughing stock.

          • This style ten and six

            I live elsewhere and few people ridicule the US. We don’t always agree with you but what friends do?

            It is good to see that now LGBT people are getting their rights.

          • The Last Trump

            Guess they don’t follow the news much then where you are, huh?
            Probably wise. Less depressing that way.
            Good to see those who endulge in sexual perversion getting the “right” to do so, you say?
            If you say so, bud.
            Not sure how anybody can be so wilfully blind to the obvious design and crystal clear purpose of men and women, who unite to form a marriage and then procreate to establish families and propagate the species.
            But hey, just for kicks, please explain the LGBT “design” and “purpose” to we ignorant folk again? Thanks bud.

          • TheBottomline4This

            “please explain the LGBT “design” and “purpose” ”
            They are a tool of satan’s, but are unaware…or if they are aware, they don’t’ care.

          • The Last Trump

            What are you, Dr Suess? 🙂

          • TheBottomline4This

            What do ya mean by that Trumpy?

          • The Last Trump

            Busta Rhyme maybe?
            Nice flow to it!

          • TheBottomline4This

            haha

          • Josey

            ahaha, it was a good rhyme

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Which Satan, the one you believe in?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So you’re saying marriage between man and woman is only to procreate? How old fashioned.

          • The Last Trump

            When same sex relationships create babies and form families let me know.
            Otherwise, they just don’t fit the design do they. Exactly.

          • Peter Leh

            “No.
            Just the ones that were once based on Biblical morality.”

            like slavery?

          • The Last Trump

            Exactly.
            Christian Americans can be thanked for seeing to it that slavery was abolished. Good point Pete!
            Unfortunately, many seriously confused and educationally illiterate people would like to believe self important and self centered atheists had anything to do with it!!??
            I know, right?

          • Peter Leh

            which christian americans?

            which christian americans were for the continuation of the god given right of slavery?

            who said anything about atheists?

          • james blue

            Weren’t those slaves owned by Christians?

          • james blue

            What religion were the American slave owners?

      • SFBruce

        Your inclusion of Leviticus 20:13 leads me to believe you think physical intimacy between people of the same sex should be against the law and the punishment should be death. If I’ve inferred incorrectly, please correct the record.

        • Charles

          Those who practice this abomination, have condemned themselves to death..Only the Lord has that authority to condemn or redeem your soul.. I have no desire to kill anyone.

          • SFBruce

            If you want us to believe you have no desire to kill anyone (something I very much want to), you might want to consider how throwing around certain Bible texts might be interpreted. I’m sure you know there’s widespread disagreement among believers regarding the exact meaning of the Bible, and that’s true even among those who believe in a literal interpretation. If you feel strongly convicted about the meaning of a certain passage, of course, apply that to your own life, and try to convince others if you feel you should. But when it comes to making declarations about the souls of others, I think a certain humility might be in order.

          • Charles

            Don’t feel left out the Lord says many will not make it..

            1Co 6:9-10 KJV

            (9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

            (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

          • SFBruce

            Matthew 7:3-5 King James Version (KJV)

            3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

            4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

            5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

            I almost never play the “my Bible verse trumps your Bible verse,” because no matter what you or I claim, the other can very easily find a Biblical text which, at least superficially, seems to contradict the other’s claim. That said, be aware that those of us who disagree with you about homosexuality and other matters also have consciences and have considered these and other matters very, very carefully.

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          They wish it was.

      • gogo0

        ah, Hitler’s tactic… quoting the bible

      • [email protected]

        Lots of good scripture there, However lets take a closer look at what is being said there. The main reference you cite is in Romans so lets start there,

        that part of Romans 1 is referring to temple prostitution and sex orgies as an example of depravity that went along with falling away from Him. during these participants would have sex with anyone, including people of the same sex. so this was not homosexuality but rather complete disregard for any form of restraint on sex to the point of just having sex with anyone without regard for any limitation.

        This is clear when you look at the context of the passage. the passage is talking about those who turn form Him to worship false gods and then gives the example of the temple prostitution and sex orgies as an example of what follows from turning away from God and worshiping the created instead of the creator. so no, the passage should not be used as a blanket condemnation of homosexuality.

        As to Leviticus, levitical law does not apply to Christians today. it was established for a very particular time and place in Jewish history and for the Jewish people but it was not meant to be applied to Christians and picking and choosing what to use and what not to use from the levitical law is not sound theology or practice either. thus if a case is to be made that homosexuality is a sin it must be done without using leviticus.

        For Sodom and Gomorrah many sins are listed for the cities and homosexuality or a word meaning the same thing is never listed. the entire case for claiming that the sin was homosexuality is based on the men of the city wanting to rape the angels and that interpretation would be like taking a reference to a man raping a woman to mean that all heterosexuality is a sin and should be avoided. Imagine for a moment that the angels in the story looked like women. would we read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and come away with the conclusion that heterosexuality is a terrible sin? of course not and so likewise we should not do the same here either. secondly male on male rape does not mean that the rapist was homosexual. indeed often the offender in male on male rape, and even more so then was heterosexual and was using the rape as a display of power and dominance over the victim. even if they people of Sodom did not know that the men were angels they at least knew they were men of God and so attempting to rape them would essentially be the same as trying to display power and dominance over God, and that certainly offers a clear picture into why they would be seen as exceedingly wicked.

        thanks for reading.

        • Charles

          My.. The serpent is subtle isn’t he… If there was temple prostitution as you say, that’s covered in idolatry. Clearly, abusers of mankind with themselves (Homosexuality) is an abomination to the Lord. Of course there was other stuff going on in Sodom & Gomorrah I’m sure of it.. Probably murder, theft, adultery, rape, just like today. Just like Romans 26 (Speaking of giving them over to their sin).. The death penalty still applies, because if you believe this lie (Homosexuality isn’t a sin) you’ll perish..No confusion on these verses, That is, other than you trying to confuse them.

          • [email protected]

            The passage in Romans is sequential, it is showing what happens when man turns from God to worship pagan Gods. so what fits better, focusing on the sexual practices of that pagan temple worship to show how far down people go as a result of following false gods? Or the main point being paused to fit in a whole other point that all of homosexuality in any context is wrong, and then resuming with the main point? I would say the first interpretation fits better with the text and with a sexual ethic that is workable.

            Again the levitical law does not apply to Christians today so picking and choosing from it to make a point about homosexuality does not work.

            with Sodom & Gomorrah the point is that nothing in that story means that all of homosexuality is a sin. It certainly affirms that one thing sinful people may do is sexually abuse and assault others including others of the same sex but none of that functions as a blanket condemnation of homosexuality.

            this is not about me trying to confuse these verses, but rather looking at what they say and do not say as opposed to what assumptions we may make about them. for most of the churches history we did not understand sexual orientation so certainly that change could call for a re-examination of the topic.

          • Charles

            You are not looking at what they say.. You are looking at what you WANT it to say. Homosexuality is never talked of in the Bible in a positive light EVER.. It’s established in Genesis between the man and woman.. That is the natural use of our bodies (Male & Female). Abusers of mankind with themselves doesn’t have a thing to do with temple worship. Again, that would be considered idolatry. God’s Laws haven’t changed.. Just the method. So are the Ten Commandments invalid to? Give me a break.

          • [email protected]

            No the ten commandments are still valid, however unlike levitical law they were applicable to a larger audience. the levitical law is filled with rules, regulations, and punishments that we as Christians do not apply or follow today. it is generally understood that these do not apply but with that said it is then not right to pull from Leviticus to make an argument agasint homosexuality. bottom line, if a case is to be made against homosexuality it must be made without pointing to leviticus. if you find that you need to turn to leviticus to make your case that should be cause to re-consider the assumptions you are operating from.

          • Charles

            So did God change his Laws about homosexuality? Don’t think so.. The Laws don’t change…God doesn’t change.. Again, it’s the method that changed, not the Law.. I don’t need to use Leviticus to show that God doesn’t approve of Homosexuality.. It’s explained in both Old and New Testaments.

          • [email protected]

            Okay well you say that you do not need Leviticus to show that God disproves of homosexuality and yet you keep citing it so it stays as part of the argument. As long as it is cited as part of the argument it is important to tackle that point and show that no, the Levitical law is not meant to be applied to Christians today and thus it can be used as evidence that homosexuality is a sin. this is not about God changing his laws becasue you do not need to change something if it was only ever aimed at a very specific time and place to begin with. for example Leviticus 19:19 commands us “nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material.” yet we do all the time without anyone in the church batting an eye. so did God change? no, its just that the levitical code was not meant to apply to us thus it is not a problem if we do things that would have been condemned under the levitical code.

    • Semp

      It’s 2016, hit that calendar.

    • meamsane

      So, your saying that depraved homosexual sex anywhere but in a temple is less depraved than when it takes place in a temple because there were no restrictions for it in the temple?
      Where are the restrictions for non-temple homosexual sex in Romans?

      • [email protected]

        I am saying that the reason that the homosexual sex in that passage is described as depraved is NOT becasue it is homosexual per say but rather becasue it was the result of a practice that called for temple sex rituals and prostitution that were so mindless that a man who was heterosexual might still end up having sex with other men just becasue it was part of the ritual. the sex there had no connection to relationships or love, it was just giving their body over completely to whatever the practice called for and that happened even to the point that natural lust would not be able to explain it as seen in people having sex without regard even for gender. think about it, typically even if someone was unrestrained and fully undermining in who they had sex with it would at least be consistent in regards to gender. this is showing a lack of restraint that goes beyond that, showing how fully lost they become as a result of worshiping pagan gods.

        so it illustrates the point dramatically, and that point is lost if instead this passage is treated as a blanket condemnation of homosexuality.

        • meamsane

          The only point that seems to be Illustrated here is your own points and not from the bible. None of this you mention is even in the text of Romans 1. It doesn’t say anything in regards to temple sex practices or pagan temples at all!

          Paul is simply saying that mankind is in rebellion against God. He mentions the physical creation as a revelation of God’s Power and Divine Nature, the physical creation revealing some truth’s about God in his created order as he made it. And he gives the example of both women and men “giving up” their natural relations with the opposite sex in favor of un-natural relations with the same sex. I. E. Homosexual relations which is always viewed in the negative in every passage it is mentioned, including in Romans 1.

          • [email protected]

            The context of Romans 1 is the practices involved in pagan worship. we see this in verses 23 and 23 ” 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.” verse 24 then starts of with a “therefore” which connects what follows to what proceeds it, they did Y therefore X followed.

            we then look outside the bible for historical records of what this pagan worship looked like and we find a description of the sex practices that I described above. well that should be very interesting becasue now we have a clear understanding of why those would have been linked together.

            thus as I said before the sex there had no connection to relationships or love, it was just giving their body over completely to whatever the practice called for and that happened even to the point that natural lust would not be able to explain it as seen in people having sex without regard even for gender. think about it, typically even if someone was unrestrained and fully undermining in who they had sex with it would at least be consistent in regards to gender. this is showing a lack of restraint that goes beyond that, showing how fully lost they become as a result of worshiping pagan gods.

            the point is made using the context of the verse, the sentence structure and ordering of the passage, and the historical context which gives us a better idea of what was going on there.

          • meamsane

            There are plenty of pro-homosexual websites that go through all kinds of scriptural gymnastics in order to try to limit condemnation of homosexuality to cult sex practices.

            If Paul wanted to link homosexuality to only temple cult practices, he could have used the greek word Porne as in the LXX at Deut. 23:17, which in my NASB is tranlslated cult prostitute. He does not use this word but others in a more generalized sense.

            And as I’ve stated, Paul calls the acts and lusts associated with verses 26-27 of Romans 1 as un-natural as opposed to natural function linking these acts and desires with God’s created order and not limited to cult sex practice. And what about other cult practices as In fornication? Does God approve of it as long as it is not a cult practice? What about other sins?

            No where in the entire bible OT or NT does it state that a loving homosexual relationship is approved of God. All homosexual activity and desire is included in God’s condemnation of it. You have to read this into the text in order to come up with it. It is not there.

            The only sexual relationship approved and even commanded by God in all the scriptures is a man and women in marriage. As part of God’s created order men and women are made for each other perfectly sexually compatible as it was meant to be as well as well as emotionally and in other ways. The way a man and women’s body interact sexually is the way God made it, which is self-evident. This is not so when it comes to men with men or woman to woman, which is also self-evident as the 1st chapter of Romans states that we all know and therefore there will be no excuse.

          • [email protected]

            Honestly it does not take gymnastics to get to the conclusion that homosexuality is not a sin, rather it just takes looking at the text without the forgone conclusion that homosexuality is a sin and a nuanced look at what the verses could be saying, and then evaluating which interpretation to go with based on a workable sexual ethic. with that said I know it is still a big change to consider which is why I am grateful for your willingness to talk about it.

            I would start of by noting that in Romans 1 we are not only talking about prostitution, but rather citizens who were involved in these practices. especially in regards to same sex sexual intercourse the culture at the time would only look down on the one who was penetrated, not the one doing the penetrating and we see in the new testament the teaching that not only the prostitute but also the one who uses the prostitute is in sin. all that to say that using the more limited word would miss that meaning.

            yes the language does talk about the natural use however we are not talking here about people who were exclusively attracted to the other sex but rather men who had wives and wives who had husbands who were then also engaged in theses orgies which would include sex with both the same and the opposite sex. thus the point here is that they were so unrestrained and so far gone from thinking clearly that they would have sex with anyone without even regard for gender. that while normally they would only have sex with the other sex here they ignored that and had sex with anyone.

            Now if sexual orientation was understood during biblical times and if there were culturally visible same sex couples, not relationships but couples, then yes it would be strange to see that not ever mentioned in a positive light. However this was not the case. sexual orientation was not understood, rather sexual relationships were understood in terms of the penetrated and penetrating partner. thus a man might have sex with a woman and also penetrate a man and not be seen any differently then a man who had sex with multiple women. becasue of this you did not see culturally visible same sex couples but rather unequal same sex relationships. slaves or prostitutes would serve as the penetrated partner and free men who chose to be penetrated were subjected to strong social stigma. thus it would not work for the Bible to offer a positive example of a known homosexual couple when there was not a cultural reference for that. but this is exactly why the clearer understanding of sexual orientation that we have now and same sex unions that we have now is reason to go back and re-examine what the bible says on the matter.

            to that end I would say that while it is likely not a homosexual relationship the story of David and Jonathan does provide an example of intense male to male intimacy and can act as the next closest thing to a positive example of a homosexual couple given the lack of the cultural reference for that. for example on the issue of compatibility David and Jonathan show that two people of the same sex can be compatible for each other and form that very close intimate bond. now it is true that two people of the same sex can not reproduce however it is not clear that the ability to reproduce would need to exist for the relationship to be compatible and it is also not clear that sexual relationships but always have reproductive potential. thus we could certainly see a view of compatibility that includes same sex couples. thanks.

    • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

      God declared homosexuality a sin. And transgender. And idolatry. And fornication.
      God’s civil Law imposes a death penalty on homosexuality. Equality under the Law means that it is enforced equally and justly. God’s Law is always just. You just love sin and hate God.

      • Jolanda Tiellemans

        Good thing we don’t live under your God”s law, but under human law.

        • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

          But you do live under God’s Law and will be held accountable to that Law. Now, what you have just done is to reject God and affirm you agreement with God’s enemies.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            I don’t believe in your God, hence I don’t believe in your devil, satan, whatever you want to call it.

        • Josey

          And there is that Pride again, wow you are going to fall and fall hard!

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            God’s civil Law imposes a death penalty on homosexuality. Equality under the Law means that it is enforced equally and justly. God’s Law is always just.

            This is what I call Pride, Christians who think we should live according to God’s laws. I’m glad we don’t. If you want to live by his laws, be my guest, but if you commit a crime you still will be punished under human law not your God’s law.

      • Josey

        Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
        All who are w/out Christ are dead already, there is just a waiting for the physical body to die but unless a person finds Christ and repents and accepts Him as Lord in every area of their lives, they are already dead.

        John 3:19-21 vs19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
        20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

      • [email protected]

        Just as a point of clarification are you suggesting that

        A: homosexuality should be criminalized? and
        B: homosexuality should be punished by death?

        also do you support the laws in nations today that do still criminalize homosexuality or have the death penalty for homosexuality?

        • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

          Those who commit homosexual acts (sodomy) should be put to death on the testimony of two or three witnesses. So should those who commit adultery. So says the Law of God.

          • [email protected]

            Well here is the thing, we do not live in a theocracy and so we are not going to impose a religious law that calls for people to be killed just for engaging in something that the religion has labeled as sin. doing so would be a clear violation of ever standard of basic human and civil rights and so it is not going to happen in this nation or any other nation that has even the most basic level of support for rights and liberty.

            So in terms of a policy direction that the US should take that is one that is completely off the table. I would also note that we as Christians are NOT called to advocate for the imposition of levitical law unto society.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Actually God does rule, even over rebels. And homosexual acts are capital crimes because God has declared them so. You declare God, the Creator, to be in violation of “human and civil rights”. The only possible source for rights is God. I assume that the death penalty for rapists and murderers is also “off the table”. But then God has not commissioned you as His counsel or given you authority to take His words “off the table”.
            What you are,is in fact a rebel against Christ, and not a Christian. You annul His moral Law and set man’s and your opinion in its place. Sounds like the Man of Lawlessness to me.

          • [email protected]

            #1 this is not about if God rules or not, His kingdom is not of this earth and we as Christians are NOT called upon to set up theocracies or to impose religious law on society. thus you are creating a conflict where one does not exist, the imposition of religious law on society would violate basic civil and human rights however God does not call for that action.

            #2 this is not at all comparable to the death penalty for rapists or murderers because those things are not illegal based on the imposition of religious law but rather common secular law. religious law and secular law can agree that something should be illegal, the problem is when we start making things illegal only becasue a certain religious text says it should be illegal.

            #3 I am in fact a christian. It is not required to want to impose a theocracy on the nation to be a christian and indeed Christians should in fact not do this. saying that we should impose levitical law on the nation represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what God wants his people to do and how He wants us to live. God wants people who chose to follow Him and his word, not who are forced to by a tyrannical earthly government that forces religious law on society depriving people of freedom and liberty.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            #1 You misquote Jesus. He said ἡ βασιλεία ἡ ἐμὴ οὐκ ἔστιν ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου (Joh 18:36 BGT) “My Kingdom does not come out of the world” (not earth). I.e. Christ’s rule comes from the Throne of God, not human authority. And the earth belongs to Him, He created it. “The earth is the Lord’s” Exodus 9:29
            The Law of God came from God, specifically from Christ who is the Word of God. You are claiming that the Law is a violation of human and civil rights? That is insane. God does not answer to human authority. He is The Authority. What kind of stupid “church’ do you attend?
            #2 So the death penalty is right and just when imposed by secular (godless) authorities, but not when it is commanded by God? That is idiotic. You make man greater than God.
            #3 You are not a Christian, for you deny the Lordship of Christ and the Word of God. You proclaim that the Law of God is tyranny and a violation of “human” and “civil” rights. Yet you proclaim that sinful man can impose the death penalty on those that violate human opinion (for that is all secular law is) I refer you to Mao’s Little Red Book “Authority comes out of the barrel of a gun.”

          • [email protected]

            okay so let me ask you this, is it right for Muslims to impose sharia law on others? if not why not? according to you it is right and proper for them to do so, if anyone believes in a religion that has a religious law they should seek to impose that on others.

            of course the problem here is A (what happens to the freedom of those who do not wish to follow that religious teaching or already follow another one? you could say that your religious belief is right and theirs is wrong however they would say the exact same thing.

            so then what are you going to do? force everyone to convert? or force everyone to live under your religious law even if they do not follow that religion? at that point you are no different then a christian form of ISIS. same goal, same justification just a different idea of god.

            given that it is not surprising that the regime and laws you would seek to impose would not look at that different then the regime and laws they seek to impose. that should give you serious pause and if it doesn’t then what you seek is something that all free people should be willing to fight agasint at whatever level necessary to safeguard freedom and liberty.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            There is only one God and it’s not Allah, nor is it Man. Here’s your problem: God has spoken clearly, He has revealed Himself in nature, His word, and in His Son. And your refuse to believe Him. Not for lack of evidence, but because of your suborn rebellious heart.
            You don’t think Obama and the Left are seeking to force Christians to conform to their godless humanistic religion?
            There is no moral equivalency between the Law of God and the pretenders. And there is no neutrality. Since you refuse to acknowledge your Creator or submit to Him, the freedom and liberty your seek to safeguard is the liberty to rebel and the freedom to sin.

          • [email protected]

            But likewise Muslims would claim that there is only one god and it is Allah. In short the morality of you trying to force christian religious rule is no different then the morality of ISIS trying to force Islamic religious rule. both make the exact same case: that their god is the true god thus everyone must submit to him. this is not something that should be encouraged or supported and if you can see the problem with Muslims doing it then you should also likewise the the problem with Christians doing it.

            and yes, freedom and liberty means the liberty to rebel and the freedom to sin. when you submit to God you give up the freedom to do what you want to do and instead submit to what God wants you to do. and that is fine becasue that is a personal choice. but the moment the government begins forcing that on you then the government has become the enemy of freedom and liberty.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Nothing but humanistic BS. What you are asserting is there is no objective reality, or at least no one can know objective reality. Jesus Christ who came into objective history, claimed to be God and proved it by objectively rising from the dead. You simply deny history and the evidence of God in creation which God claims is plain and that therefore you are without excuse.

          • [email protected]

            On the contrary there is objective reality and I do think we can know it. this is why I am a christian and not a follower of another religion, becasue I believe what the Bible says. my point however is that we can not then take that and say “because I believe that the God of the Bible is objectively the true God I am going to force everyone to live under christian law.

            as I said before freedom and liberty means the liberty to rebel and the freedom to sin. when you submit to God you give up the freedom to do what you want to do and instead submit to what God wants you to do and that is fine becasue that is a personal choice. But the moment the government begins forcing that on you then the government has become the enemy of freedom and liberty. it becomes an oppressive regime that should be opposed just as much as we oppose ISIS. and If you think that this is what God is calling us to do then you need to go back and look at the scriptures again becasue no, he is not calling on us to establish a religious regime that enforces christian law on everyone.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            If Christians do not rule, the wicked will. So, allowing the wicked to rule is a fulfillment of the two great commandments?
            It sounds to me that when Christ returns you’ll be among those that oppose Him in the name of freedom and liberty. Perhaps you should re-examine the logic of your position.

          • [email protected]

            I never said that Christians should not be in government, just that they should not be using that position to impose religious rule on everyone and acting in a tyrannical manner. An d Christ returning is a far far cry away from men establishing religious rule, not at all comparable. I would venture to say that if you had been around when Christ came to earth you would have been one of the ones who rejected him becasue you wanted a warrior king who was going to destroy the Romans and establish religious rule, not one who was going to submit to Roman authority

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            And exactly why should the civil code portions of God’s Law not be imposed? You have no problem with the wicked imposing their “values”. Or are you an anarchist? I might suspect the underlying cause is that you really don’t love God and wish to preserve you liberty to sin without repercussions. You certainly show no regard for the freedom and honor of God and the obedience all men owe Him..

          • [email protected]

            why? becasue that 100% destroys any shred of religious liberty and freedom imposing in its place one religious code that all must follow. the civil law should be one that governs all, not one that takes the religious views of one portion of the society and forces them on everyone. and no, i would not support others imposing their religious law either but rather would oppose that across the board becasue anytime anyone does it the result is the end of religious liberty and freedom. and certainly there are repercussions for sin, but those come from God, not government. when it comes to repercussions from the state it should be limited only to things on which there is a common reason for regulation (for example murder is illegal becasue it involves one person violating the rights of another by depriving them of life.) on the other hand sex before marriage should not be illegal becasue it does not involve a common reason for regulation, rather only a specific moral code that says it is wrong.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Murder is a crime because God made it a crime and it is because man was made in His image. From whence do you think rights come from: God or man? You are nothing but a humanist, making man the measure of all things. You deny and condemn the word of God and set up your own opinions in its place. Mighty anti-Christ of you.

  • Peter Leh

    we had the same resistance from us Christians over Black History month.

    • TheBottomline4This

      Maybe some of the resistance included Christians, but the others were not Christians, just other regular folk who weren’t religious.

      All skin colors are beautiful.

      • Theodore Fenton

        Congratulations. You have made great progress indeed.

        • TheBottomline4This

          How do you think I have made progress?
          I’ve never thought any skin color was worse or better than another.

          • Theodore Fenton

            I applaud your efforts.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Too bad you haven’t made any Theo.

        • Semp

          You bozos think that “progress” is more people dying of AIDS.
          Having no conscience warps the mind.

          • Theodore Fenton

            Your comment makes no sense.

          • The Last Trump

            Liberals! Absolutely no idea about the things they so foolishly endorse and support.
            Might wanna look up the very well know consequences of gay “lifestyles”.

          • Theodore Fenton

            Well, I can’t speak for others, but the only consequence of my gay “lifestyle” is that my partner of 37 years, now my spouse, are very happily married.

          • TheBottomline4This

            To be fair…all aids in not homosexuality related.

      • Peter Leh

        “Maybe some of the resistance included Christians, but the others were not Christians”
        the southern baptist are not “christians”?

        • TheBottomline4This

          I’m not southern baptist, so I don’t know.

          • Peter Leh

            southern Methodist? southern Presbyterian?

            all of the above formed to continue the god given right to slavery.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Oh dear.

          • Semp

            Is the NAMBLA website down?

          • Peter Leh

            have no idea semp.. have you trouble loggin in?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            And they call homosexuals perverts.

    • Josey

      It was true believers and Christians who supported blacks equal rights. The KKK was not a Christian organization no matter how many crosses they used, they didn’t have the Spirit of God in them, they are a racial hateful organization.

      • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

        No, it was the Whites of the liberal Blue States pandering for the Black-vote since the 1960s, in order to defeat the Whites of the conservative Red States. It was at this time that the bullying 1861 slave-abolishing Republicans in the North flipped to become Democrats, n vice versa for the Democrat ex-slave-owners in the South who flipped to become Republicans..

      • Peter Leh

        “It was true believers and Christians who supported blacks equal rights”

        the SBC, Southern Methodist, Southern Presbyterian were not chrisitan?

    • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

      The LGBTQs n Black-rights or Black-riots r the same abomination pushed by the liberal Blue States against the conservative Red States, n America is the worse for it.

      • gogo0

        which one would you say is worse than the other?

        • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

          U tell me.

          • gogo0

            i dont know which one you would say is worse, thats why i asked

      • Peter Leh

        exhibit A folks….

        • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

          Exhibitionist A, folks.

      • Jolanda Tiellemans

        So, you are a racist?

        • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

          No, I am against the liberal Blue States using issues or excuses to bully the conservative Red States.
          …….Eg using the issue of Black slaves to bully the South or Red States n FORCING them to stay in the Union n not secede in 1861 = the same tyranny practiced by the British Colonial govt against the American settlers in 1776.
          …….And the same liberal Blue States or Bill Clinton hypocritically facilitated the secession of Bosnia n Kosovo from Greater Serbia in 1993 n 1998.

          Hence, after 1865, in anger n retaliation, the South/Red States took out their frustration on the Blacks n bullied them with unfair Jim Crow laws. Many Blacks moved from the South to the North, eg Chicago.
          …….Again in the 1960s, the North/Blue States used this issue to pander for the Black-vote n defeat the South/Red States in national elections so that the North could bully the South. That is why the 2 candidates for President come from a liberal Blue State, ie New York, n both r very evil n corrupt. Trump should be less evil than Hillary n as corrupt as Hillary.

          • Aaron

            Eg using the issue of Black slaves to bully the South or Red States n FORCING them to stay in the Union n not secede in 1861

            Aww, those poor Confederate states, being bullied over owning human beings. Poor them!

    • kagl982

      Prove it.

      • Peter Leh

        see sbc since 1845.

        See any christian conservative asking” WHY do we have a black history month? Where is the white history month?”

  • 0pus

    Proclaim whatever you like, Nero, you are not God Almighty.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      I’m not seeing your point.

      • TheBottomline4This

        We know Chaser…..we know.

  • Josey

    Obama says, “[O]ur Nation has made great strides in recognizing what these brave individuals long knew to be true in their hearts—that love is love and that no person should be judged by anything but the content of their character,” he stated.

    I think he is confused and means lust not love and the grossness of eating feces for that is what God created that hole for, to release of digested bowel waste and gays even celebrate the eating of it willfully, and tax payer monies uses to treat the diseases they reap upon themselves in disobeying God’s word against such gross things. They want cures but don’t want to change the behavior that cause these diseases. It’s like binging on a bunch of food only to throw it up so you can go on eating more just as the Romans did in excess, it’s all disgusting and selfish. I would not call sodomites or lesbians brave at all, they are caught up in a delusion and lust and if it feels good, why not do it. A serial killer or rapist thinks that feels good, are they brave? No, just sick in the head and full of sinful and destructive behavior, how about a pediphile? Are they brave too, where does this end. Those born white, black, red, green whatever color can’t help what skin color they are born with and colored ppl should be ashamed of Obama and those who lump them in with these sickos who choose to be the way they are! It is no way the same thing, I am not being a bigot by calling sodomy what it is, a sinful desire that goes against God’s command not to partake of such things! Our Nation has not made great strides advocating such things, this nation is in fact bringing God’s judgement upon it.

    • This style ten and six

      Yes, you are being a bigot.

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      I am not being a bigot by calling sodomy what it is, a sinful desire that goes against God’s command not to partake of such things!

      Yeah, right! Keep telling yourself that.

      • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

        What about Sodom n Gomorrah or sodomy n gonorrhea.?

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with homosexuality. And you Christians say we don’t know the bible. But I guess it’s conveniant to say it had something to do with homosexuality.

          • Josey

            The Bible shows it had to do with sodomy, they wanted the angels that came to Lot because they looked good to them, they desired them. Why do you think Lot offered his daughters in the place of the angels hoping to appease them but sodomites had only one thing on their mind, the angels they wanted. You can’t even rightly divide God’s word because you need to be born again and filled with the Holy Spirit to understand.

          • Aaron

            Why do you think Lot offered his daughters in the place of the angels hoping to appease them

            Do you find anything wrong with that?

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            No, nothing wrong with a father being willing to sacrifice his daughters for a holy cause, ie to save the angels of God from being sexually-defiled by a gang of filthy homosexuals, …similar to Abraham being willing to sacrifice his son, Isaac, and God sacrificing His Son, Jesus Christ, on the Cross to save mankind from going to hell n from Satan n his gang of demons.

            Similarly, many Christians hv willingly sacrificed themselves for their faith n suffered martyrdom at the hands of an evil govt.
            ……. Similarly, many people hv willingly sacrificed themselves n their families for national independence/freedom or for democracy or for civil rights n suffered death in wars/revolutions or imprisonment, eg Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King, etc.

          • Aaron

            No, nothing wrong with a father being willing to sacrifice his daughters for a holy cause, ie to save the angels of God from being sexually-defiled by a gang of filthy homosexuals

            Nothing wrong with a father offering up his daughters to be raped – and of course, they had absolutely no say about whether they wanted to take the place of the angels or not.

          • Vickie Cooker

            Arron, I do pray to “YOUR FATHER”, GOD” of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that he will open your heart and eyes to see the REAL TRUTH!!!!!

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            In the nature of things, young sons n daughters hv absolutely no say about whether they wanted to be born with rich or poor parents. It is not wrong for a young daughter to be born with poor parents.Similarly for the poor fate of the daughters of Lot.

            Even under US Law, there r certain situations where minor children hv absolutely no say about whether they wanted this or that, n r absolutely decided by their parents, eg go to Church or Temple/mosque, where to live, what to eat, which school to go to, etc. Is this wrong also.?

            Bc of our forefather, Adam’s Original Sin, we hv been born with evilness or sinfulness in our hearts n minds, which has resulted in much evil-deeds/sins on earth, eg Sodom n Gomorrah, …n will also result in us being sent to hell when we die. As sons/daughters of Adam, we hv absolutely no say about whether we wanted these or not. Similarly for the daughters of Lot.

          • Aaron

            It is not wrong for a young daughter to be born with poor parents.

            Are you seriously trying to compare being born into a poor family with being offered up to be raped?

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Yes, bc there is not much difference between a father choosing to cause his young daughter to suffer poverty/hunger n being sacrificially raped, or even to suffer a sacrificial death like Isaac n Jesus Christ.
            …….The blame for this lie with the devil, Satan, who is the root cause of all evil in this world n the next, eg a horny uncircumcised poor father in India causing his young daughters to suffer poverty, hunger, illiteracy, etc. A few hv even become sex slaves = like being raped.

          • Aaron

            Yes, bc there is not much difference between a father choosing to cause his young daughter to suffer poverty/hunger n being sacrificially raped

            I can’t even. What do you even say to a comment like that?

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Well, u can if u can accept the fact that God had sacrificed His Son, Jesus Christ, on the Cross, in order to save u from yr inborn Adamic sin/evil n from going to hell.

            Our no.1 forefather, Adam, gave us the ever-often involuntary thoughts of immoral hate, anger, greed, selfishness, lust, jealousy, fear, doubt, etc, in our hearts n minds. If we r not careful, we may go on to voluntarily commit sins/evil-deeds/law-breakings n be cursed by God or the govt/police for it, eg murder/assaults/insults, adultery/fornication/ /rape/molest, stealing, cheating/fraud, perjury/lying, etc..

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            U homosexuals only know how to twist the Bible, like the serpent called Satan. But I guess it’s convenient to say Sodom n Gomorrah had nothing to do with homosexuality.

            ROMANS.1: =
            26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise
            also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their
            lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and
            receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Why is it you Christians always think a person who defends the rights of LGBT people is homosexual?

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Either that or u r an LGBTQ supporting liberal atheist.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Yep I’m an atheist. I’ve been called a liberal a few times, not that it has meaning to me.

          • Gena B

            He that justifies the wicked, and he that condemns the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Which Lord? You know what a atheist is, right? Someone who doesn’t believe in your Lord, God or whatever you call it.

          • Vickie Cooker

            Jolanda, I do pray to “YOUR FATHER”, GOD” of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that he will open your heart and eyes to see the REAL TRUTH!!!!!

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Your God is not my father.

        • StillBetter&Better

          Mythology won’t make gay people go away.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Well, AIDS do make gay people go away.

      • advengrl

        Who are you to tell God what is and is not sin? Do you really think that God condones that which causes death, disease and destruction and if carried out to his logical conclusion, the end of the human race? Yah, you keep telling yourself that!

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          Well I don’t see your God do anything about it, so yeah he condones it. When I was sick as a kid my dad took me to the doctor/hospital. My dad teached me to not harm other people.’the end of the human race’ I’ve got to say, you christians love the drama. And I was actually commenting on his ‘I’m not being a bigot’

          • Josey

            Oh, just as God judged Sodom and gomorrah, this will be judged as well, it is only his long suffering and patience in giving of another day for the choice to repent as some homosexuals are repenting and turning away from it. God’s goodness leads one to repent and you are confusing his kindness and patience for condoning sin, couldn’t be more deceived if you believe that. One day the door of the ark God will shut and time will be up so don’t mistake His longsuffering and kindness for condoning any sin, His word tells you it is sin and you are w/out excuse!

          • Vickie Cooker

            Josey, I Fully AGREE with ALL your comments 1000% in Jesus name Amen!!!.. Thank you!!!..

        • Graham Nicholls

          Who are you to tell God what is and is not sin?
          And who are you?

      • Josey

        A bigot is someone who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions. I am holding to Almighty God’s truth not my own opinion, that’s what you fail to comprehend as well as many other things. God’s word tells us in Romans 1:16-31 vs16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. **26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
        27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.**
        28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
        30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          Uhm, I hope you do realise quoting the bible to me has no affect whatsoever, right?

    • Theodore Fenton

      God’s command obviously only applied to heterosexuals.

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      I think he is confused and means lust not love and the grossness of eating feces for that is what God created that hole for, to release of digested bowel waste and gays even celebrate the eating of it willfully.

      Oh my, it seems you know a lot of what is going on in a gay couples bedroom. Well you think so anyways. I have homosexual friends and I don’t even know what is going on in their bedrooms. That is private.

      • Josey

        They openly admit to such things which does away with the privacy thing and no I don’t know what is going on except what they openly talk about. you are deluding yourself if you claim not to have heard of such things and since that is the hole God made for feces to come out of, it stands to reason, what do you think they are contaminating themselves with? Joy and sunshine?

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          Sorry to disapoint you, never heard from any of my friends what they are doing in the privacy of their bedroom. I as hell are not going to tell them what I’m doing in the privacy of my bedroom.

          what do you think they are contaminating themselves with? Joy and sunshine?

          I have no idea, but you seem to know. And none of my friends have Aids.

          • Josey

            well since this is the place where waste from our bodies come from, it doesn’t take any stretch of the imagination that they are contaminating themselves with it. And I think you are a liar about your sodomite friends.BTW…I am not disappointed because you claim your friends don’t tell you their business…lol…and how do you know who has aids and who doesn’t, why just because they didn’t tell you their business as you claim, there are other diseases as well.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Oh, looky here another mind reader.

          • Kelly Samuelson

            Not every homosexual has AIDS, what they are doing is still wrong regardless though.

  • John_33

    It’s disappointing for sure, but there’s no need to be down. Christians serve a holy God, and we can be holy in Him.

  • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

    How terrible will be the wrath of God. “And this is the judgment, light has come into the world and men loved the darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil.”

    • Josey

      And the tares are becoming blacker in color as the harvest draws near and the wheat is growing more golden.

    • Aaron

      So, the god that you worship will unleash his wrath over same-sex marriage, but not over slavery?

      *backs away slowly*

      • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

        Yes, slavery is not in itself a sin. Mistreatment of a slave is. Slavery is simply servitude for a definite or indefinite period. The master was obligated to provide for the needs of his slaves and the slaves obligated to provide service for their master. Slaves were considered part of the household. I am speaking of course of slavery in the Scriptures. God does not command slavery but He does permit it.

        • Aaron

          God does not command slavery but He does permit it. He does not permit the perversion of homosexuality … or fornication, or theft, or murder, or idolatry or worshiping any other God.

          It’s truly terrifying that you believe that.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            That is because you hate God. You hate the idea that He rules over you and you are subject to Him. You are a rebel.
            If you ever bothered to read the Bible you would discover that slaves were protected and were fully equal as human beings. You’re undoubtedly a product of public education, therefore totally ignorant of the Bible. Do you imagine you are free? You are bound by chains of sin and darkness. You are a slave to your wicked desires. Jesus said, “He that sins is a slave of sin.”

          • Aaron

            That is because you hate God.

            First of all, I don’t believe that your god exists. However, I am disgusted by anyone – including your god, if it existed – who thinks that slavery is fine, but condemns homosexuality, worshiping other gods, or fornication – none of which harm anyone.

            If you ever bothered to read the Bible you would discover that slaves were protected and were fully equal as human beings.

            I feel like you don’t know what ‘full equal means’.

          • Vickie Cooker

            Arron, you wrong by saying “none of which harm anyone”… It does harm everyone!!! “Souls”.. I am so sorry for you also that you do not believe in God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that within it self is harming your soul greatly!!!…

          • Aaron

            I am so sorry for you also that you do not believe in God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that within it self is harming your soul greatly!!!…

            Telling me that my soul is harmed by thought-crime is not the way to get me to worship your god.

          • Vickie Cooker

            It’s not my place to get you to worship God that’s God’s job.. My job is to plant the seed then God does his job…Even if you don’t believe in him, He is there and He love you anyway..

          • Graham Nicholls

            Yes, I do apologise on behalf of my “colleagues”. I don’t understand what makes them think that you would differentiate between their saying”Our God is the only God”, and an adherent of another religion – say Islam, claiming the same thing. The arrogance of “I said so so it must be true” is essentially what they are saying. Vickie, you’re not planting any seeds here. Leave that to God. He doesn’t need any great PR, or an army of “arguers” to prove who he is. He will plant seeds where He chooses. It is in other ways than arguing that we show non- believers the truth of Christ.

        • Georgie Franklin

          Wow. The stupid is strong in this one.

      • Gena B

        When we become Christians we all become (or should) ‘slaves’ of Christ. I give my life completely to my Lord and master and don’t apologize for that. What God deems sin is sin, regardless if you agree, or believe or not, it’s of no consequence to God, but there will be consequences to those who turn their backs on God.

        • Aaron

          Shouldn’t God have good reasons for deciding what is or is not a sin?

          • Kelly Samuelson

            He does. Think about it. If everyone followed the Ten Commandments, we would live in a perfect world. People wouldn’t lie, cheat, steal, covet or do anything that would harm others. God designed man and woman so we could ‘be fruitful and multiply’, after being joined in holy matrimony, of course. If everyone was attracted to their same sex, our species would cease to exsist. God made this world and everything in it perfectly, but men insist on turning everything perverse. Satan is great at manipulating the weak and non-believers. Even he can come disguised as an angel of light.

          • HisChild

            That’s a no brainer ~ He is God and doesn’t have to explain Himself to you! LOL Just because you don’t believe doesn’t make His faithfulness in all things, even in naming and judging sin, of no effect.

      • Graham Nicholls

        But what are you doing here in the first place, Aaron? These people are in an asylum of their own building. You can’t free them. They have built their cage with words of truth; unfortunately, they think that they are on the outside. Come to think of it, what on earth am I doing here?

      • HisChild

        Aaron, do you make it a habit to frequent Christian news in order to spew hatred over a God that you do not understand. Do you know that yours is a priestly name, meaning bright? You’re not living up to your name for the scripture says “the fool says in his heart there is no God. You’ve taken it a step further in proving the bible is true, for the scripture also says a fool lays open his folly.
        I love it when people like you who deny the Living and Almighty Powerful God, prove His word to be true!

        • Aaron

          “People who don’t believe believe the same thing as me are dumb” is a pretty common claim – by no means exclusive to the Bible.

  • Becky

    “Obama said. ‘They have spurred sweeping progress by changing hearts and minds and by demanding equal treatment—under our laws, from our courts, and in our politics.'”

    Forcing the so-called homosexual discrimination laws upon the citizens of the nation does not a changed heart and mind make. These anti-Christ proclamations will never, ever change the heart and mind of God’s people. We know God’s word and his word commands that homosexuality is an abomination. Nothing will ever change that.

    • Josey

      It’s funny that Obama came out in this last interview claiming the transgender thing where he is demanding schools adapt wasn’t his idea so he’s not to blame for threatening the taking federal money away from schools who do not conform…what a laugh and joke he is. The reality of that is he can’t force schools to conform nor does he hold the purse that would take federal monies away from schools who don’t conform, he is the bully!

  • advengrl

    What a despicable piece of trash. God’s judgment will be great on this man unless he repents.

  • Dennis Velco

    Respect and dignity cannot be bestowed by the government or by some wannabe tyrant like Obummer. They have to be earned, and the LGBTXYZs have no intention of being respectable members of society.

  • sandra-paquette-

    Obama is pure evil.

  • BeBeX

    The ONLY Brave ones are the Ones that fought for our freedoms to live our life as we choose. Many of those died fighting for our freedoms.

  • Georgie Franklin

    Thank You Mr. President. History will remember you as one of the greats.

    • gizmo23

      You girls sure stick together. The STDs create community.

  • DLCraig

    This president will have no place of honor among his peers because there is no piece of honor within him.

  • Gena B

    Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

  • archaeologist

    obama is an idiot and a moron