Jimmy Carter Visits Ken Ham’s Ark Encounter, Tells Reporters: ‘I Believe in Evolution’

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WILLIAMSTOWN, Ky. — Former President Jimmy Carter toured Ken Ham’s Ark Encounter on Friday, but told reporters that he was not necessarily endorsing Ham’s views, as he personally believes in evolution.

“The earth is four billion years old, … but I don’t see a conflict there,” Carter told reporters, referring to the conflict between Christianity and evolution. “And as a scientist, I believe in evolution.”

“But all things are possible through the divine power of God. And whenever there is a conflict, I turn to the words of Jesus Christ,” he said, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer. “If God created it four billion years ago or six thousand years ago, it doesn’t matter to me.”

Carter was visiting the site, to open to the public on July 7th, to support LeRoy Troyer, a friend whose construction company served as main architect for the project. As previously reported, the Ark Encounter is a theme park in Williamstown that features a full-scale replica of the ark that God instructed Noah to build to escape the coming flood, as outlined in the book of Genesis.

“As the largest timber-frame structure in the US, the 510-foot-long full-size Ark is designed to be family-oriented, historically authentic, and environmentally friendly,” the website for the theme park outlines.

Ham also desires for the attraction to provide visitors with the message of salvation.

“A major reason for rebuilding the ark today is to proclaim the message of salvation—that just as Noah and his family had to go through the doorway to be saved, we also need to go through a doorway,” he outlined in 2014 when construction first began. “The Lord Jesus is our door—the only way to be saved.”

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Ham told reporters on Friday that he welcomed Carter’s visit. Carter signed a hard hat as a souvenir marking his tour of the ark.

“We welcome the visit of such a statesman and we don’t take it as an endorsement,” Ham stated. “This really shows how people of different views can still come and see and enjoy the ark.”

As previously reported, Carter, 91, teaches Sunday School at Maranatha Baptist Church in Plains, Georgia. However, in addition to being an evolution adherent, in an interview with the Huffington Post last July, Carter asserted that Jesus would approve of same-sex “marriage,” and really, “any love affair.”

“Would Jesus approve [of] gay marriage?” host Marc Lamont Hill asked.

“I believe Jesus would,” Carter replied. “I don’t have any verse in Scripture. I believe Jesus would approve gay marriage, but that’s just my own personal belief. I think Jesus would encourage any love affair if it was honest and sincere and was not damaging to anyone else, and I don’t see that gay marriage damages anyone else.”


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  • bowie1

    At least he didn’t spew a lot of vitriol as have many Ken Ham critics done. But perhaps in time jimmy might change his mind.

    • TheBottomline4This

      He better hurry up…he is 91.

      • Josey

        yep, he’s about to find out the truth but sadly it will be too late

    • Ya’akovah Bourges

      Jimmy Carter has had a lifetime to think it over…
      He is an avid supporter of MOSLEM TERRORISM against ISRAEL
      Stop being a nice person…and start believing truth.
      Carter is Hell bound and that’s all right by me and by GOD Himself.

  • TheBottomline4This

    Said no true Christian ever.

    • Cady555

      According to your book, a christian is someone who has accepted jesus. Theological purity is not the standard.

      • hytre64

        Accepting Jesus means accepting Jesus as both Savior and Lord.

        If you truly know Jesus, then you will know the Father. Learn about Jesus from the Bible, and do not let men take you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy (Col 2:8).

      • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

        Correct, the actual spiritual condition or relationship to Jesus is only known by Jesus. However, we are to be discerning of spirit and as wise as serpents.

    • gogo0

      there are thousands of sects within christianity because they all claim to be the only “true” christians. odds are very poor that youre in the right one

    • Peter Leh

      even ken ham says the belief in evolution is not a deal breaker.

  • revta777

    I Wonder what book Jimmy teaches from when he teaches his Sunday School class. I can’t find his views in my Bible.

    • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

      He teaches from 1st, 2nd and 3rd Speculations.

      • Royal Rican Prince

        That’s was hilarious! I MUST use this sometime!!!

        • imnotasheeple

          My favorite part of the story is where God drowned the millions of babies, the youth, the pregnant women, the blind, the mentally disabled, the physically handicapped, the family pets, and the other innocent animals. God’s genocide always makes a good children’s story about how to treat those that needed empathy, compassion and love the most by making them suffer by drowning them. Human torture is the game; God is the name.

          • Keith Lopez

            If you actually read the bible it says that every thought of man (human kind) was that of evil and murder. Then in the new testament it confirms that Noah preach to them about repenting and being saved from the judgement of God for their sins. Which they didn’t listen just like you are being pleaded with to turn from your sins and trust in Jesus to be saved from God’s judgement but are not listening to, but I pray you do.

            All that is not really of consequence though since you the created thinks he can sit in judgement of God the Creator.

          • imnotasheeple

            Yep, those millions of one and two year olds had murderous thoughts. Thanks for clarifying that fact. You must live in a horrible neighbor with murderous babies because they have poopy diapers.

          • Keith Lopez

            No kidding not surprised that you are still missing the point. You are adding to what is written, and that fact you the pot is questioning the Potter. God’s could wipe us all out right now and start from scratch, with all the evil humans have committed since creation and he would be just in doing so. Your problem is you can’t see how vile our sin is because you don’t see how Holy God is. He is the Creator the end all be all, and we are merely dust he chooses to have in measurable amounts of patience with.

          • imnotasheeple

            Says the man who hasn’t read the Bible cover-to-cover, word-for-word. Yet you claim the Bible is 100% accurate and true. You weren’t even aware there were two flood stories told. One in Genesis 6 and another in Genesis 7. They didn’t even have the same numbers of animals taken aboard the floating zoo in the two stories.

            Genesis 6:19, “And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of EVERY kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female.” [emphasis mine]

            Genesis 7:2-3, “You shall take with you of every clean animal by sevens, a male and his female; and of the animals that are not clean two, a male and his female; also of the birds of the sky, by sevens, male and female, to keep offspring alive on the face of all the earth.”

            Yet clean and unclean animals weren’t defined until told to Moses in Leviticus 11, well past the Genesis story. It is obviously not a deity inspired works with this glaring contradiction.

          • Keith Lopez

            How would you know whether I have read the bible cover to cover or not. What a rediculous statement. You need a understanding/lesson in hermeneutics. I actually have read scripture cover to cover numerous times and do my best to continue to read it daily.

            It isn’t two different stories chapter 7 us more detailed that is all. Even back with Cain and Able sacrifices were made so the extra animals were for that purpose. Even when it was mentioned to Moses they could have been familiar with clean and unclean or acceptable offerings since one it is mentioned to Noah and Able knew what kind of offering would be acceptable to God. Cain also knew which when gave one that wasn’t he became jealous of his brother.

            There isn’t a supposed contradiction that doesn’t have a rational explanation.

          • imnotasheeple

            Genesis 9:3 “EVERY moving thing that liveth SHALL BE meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.” That means that at the time of the story there was no such thing a clean and unclean animals.

          • Danny Higgins

            wrong

          • Danny Higgins

            just like 2 stories of creation in Genisis..which is the true 1st woman, Lilith or Eve..and why once the original sin was created did God tell them to go forth and multiple without any rules/laws and then kill them all for sinning sins that were not sins until after Moses was given the laws many years after Noah died….?????????

          • Kim Henrickson Gilliland

            hummm

          • happylada

            What two stories of creation in Genesis? Have you a CLUE what you are talking about? OBVIOUSLY not. And who is Lilith in this context?

            I suspect your concept of original sin is quite catholic, and quite unbiblical. God gives EACH man free will to sin or not. The fall, what you seem to think was original sin, simply ALLOWED sin to be a choice. There was NO reason to sin; it was a choice. And the law of MOSES was only applicable to the Israelites under the OT covenant, it applied to NO ONE before or after the Hebrew covenant. But MURDER was still a sin, with or without the law, etc.

            It is OBVIOUS you know noting about the Biblical narrative, as one would expect in this godless generation.

            Most competent Sunday Schools would have that taught that to you as a basic.

            Please get a basic education in Christian belief before attempting to show us the flaws in your understanding of it. Illiteracy is NEVER a vitrue.

          • lynus55

            Duh, the buybull was written by humans. so it is merely conjecture, opinions. No facts involved, just opinions.

          • Danny Higgins

            He did it 3 times and found that that kind of behaviour did not work so he sent and killed his son/self to forgive us all…..period…we are forgiven of our sins which God created and has no power to control or delete so he found a way to live with us…then he went away to fail some more…he is an horribly imperfect God and creator….

          • twinbeech2

            “so he sent and killed his son/self to forgive us all….”

            Ever heard of Ruth Hurmence Green? She wrote: “If the concept of a father who plots to have his own son put to death is presented to children as beautiful and as worthy of society’s admiration, what types of human behavior can be presented to them as reprehensible?”

          • happylada

            Except THAT statement has NO basis in reality. I suppose YOU would rather Children NOT be told there is a remedy for their sin that will cause them to be in eternal darkness, rather than the Glory of heaven?

            WHY would you consider keeping them in ignorance a benefit?

          • oldagg

            I just love it when Man the creature uses his logic to denigrate the Creator!!

          • lynus55

            What creator? You mean the fairy tale your Mom told you about?

          • happylada

            Since YOU seem to believe that the universe created itself from nothing, I think I would be a tad cautious attacking someone for believing in a VERY REAL Creator. belief in a CREATOR, after all is FAR more logical and in keeping with the laws of science.

          • lynus55

            No science in the buybull. Just the opinions and ravings of ancient men, who also thought the world was flat. Now THERE’S some science for ya!

          • lynus55

            He’s a goof. OR, he is just a theory, an opinion. I vote for number 2.

          • Eric Vulgate

            you really can’t see how insane ‘everyone on earth had murderous thoughts’ is?

          • Scott Hammill

            And right there, in your opening sentence “If you actually read the bible it says…” That’s right, it SAYS, it doesn’t PROVE! Show proof that all of mankind had only thought of evil and murder, you might have a good basis for your argument! Until then, get a REAL education – it won’t hurt!

          • oldagg

            History can only be “proven” by eyewitness accounts. Since “the world that then was, Perished”… there is no account other than the Bible. God has not lied about anything else – why would he lie about that? Indeed, God cannot lie.

          • Scott Hammill

            No, history can also be proven by science! Even from a Christian point of view, wouldn’t science make sense? If your god made EVERYTHING, did he not make science? This bible of yours is NOT an account of anything! If it were, scientists would use it!!

            As far as eyewitness accounts go, who’s to say that the authors of the Colossal Compendium of Copious Crap aren’t the one’s lying to you?

            In your Great Book of Fairy Stories, the authors say that this god character committed acts that, if perpetrated by another religion, you sycophantic Christians would be up in arms about… Mass genocide, murdering children, eating children, condoning rape and incest, telling people how to beat their slaves without killing them, telling his followers to stone women to death for being raped and (this one REALLY makes me laugh) telling everyone he loves them unconditionally as long as they obey him (which is a fucking condition!!!). There are many other atrocities your skydaddy has either committed or condoned, but I’m stopping there because I am only using them as an example.

            You finish up by saying “Indeed, God cannot lie.” Well, you are correct there – it is impossible for an imaginary being to say anything, let alone lie about anything! But, let’s make believe that he (why not a she?) is real – why wouldn’t he lie? “He” wants as many people as possible to follow “Him” so, being a SUPREME power and creator of EVERYTHING, there is no reason for him not to lie to get his own way!

          • oldagg

            Never said it recorded everything. And yes – God did institute the Laws of Science. Whenever the Bible does mention anything connected with science as it tells the true history of the world, it is found to be correct and way ahead of its time. Romans 1:20. & Job 26:7 ” He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.” So, thousands of years before man knew anything about space – the Bible says then earth is hung on nothing. God’s word is the basis for science – nt the other way around.

          • lynus55

            D’uh, god did not write one word of the buybull. Men did. So some stranger tells you this or that about some god guy, and you believe him? Gu-lli-ble!

          • lynus55

            Because imaginary friends are perfect. We make them that way.

          • happylada

            That cuts BOTH ways.

          • Charlotte Leffler

            That’s why Jesus came. Why God made Him. Why God inhabited Him. To see how hard it is to be a really good person ALL the time. So God wiped all sins out of everyone and gave us another chance through his son. How are we doing?

          • imnotasheeple

            God isn’t an entity; it’s an indoctrinated concept. He exists in your imagination. That is why God knows your every thought. That is why he is always with you. That is why God shares your views and opinions. That’s why you and God think exactly alike. That is why everything you know so does god. What you don’t know is a mystery. Only God knows the mysteries and therefore mysteries are god itself. When the mysteries are revealed then you claim those were from God. When most of the mysteries are revealed then you will realize you were god concept all along. A very fallible god concept, but still your own god.

            Many Christians do well and show true empathy and compassion. The Evangelicals not so much. The Evangelicals design their god to be judgmental and vengeance filled, exactly like they are.

            Good people don’t need a celestial dictator to tell them that social cooperation promotes humanity and harmony. Good people put feet to their hopes. That doesn’t take religion.

          • Dee Gee

            Amen

          • guy

            You really believe this fairy story don’t you?

          • lynus55

            Terrible, obviously. Every time I hear a pastor preach, he keeps telling us how sinful we are. So I guess this god guy of yours couldn’t do the job. Some genius.

          • lynus55

            It didn’t work. Apparently, we still have sin. Major fail for your god guy.

          • Mark McCauley

            He really DOES work in mysterious ways, huh? 😉

    • http://batman-news.com JeffSkeeve

      Exactly! It’s like he’s not even trying. All one has to do is read that Jesus often quoted the book of Genesis which is foundational to all the major doctrines of the Bible. Jesus quoted Genesis 1:27 “Male and Female He created them” when questioned about marriage. Its so plainly written in so many places in scripture that it leaves me to wonder if Carter has actually ever picked up a Bible and read it at all!!! Or maybe he is just senile. At least that’s an excuse.

      • revta777

        If senility were his excuse, he was senile many years before he was old enough to be senile.

      • Michael Santore

        he might be senile, but has always been a heretic.

        • hamfish

          Oh noes! Not a heretic!?!!?!?!!?!111!!!11!1!!!!One!!!

      • Bill_Clement

        You are going to cast aspersions on Jimmy Carter’s faith. You’re a special kind of hateful, aren’t you? How many houses have you built for Habitat? Pseudo-xtians make me sick to my stomach. Your last name is very descriptive.

        • http://batman-news.com JeffSkeeve

          Wow – and you’re a special kind of hypocrite. You can’t even use the word “Christ” in “Christian” because of your own hatred for Him. Man, the irony is so thick I could walk on it!

          Building houses for Habitat is irrelevant to my post. If you were paying attention (clearly you were not) my post was a response to another post which stated “I Wonder what book Jimmy teaches from when he teaches his Sunday School class. I can’t find his views in my Bible”. I wasn’t “casting aspersions” on Carter’s faith. He clearly has faith, and he may even BE a follower of Jesus Christ (this only God knows), but some of his faith is not Bible-based because his worldview is not taught in the Bible.
          Now, is your definition of a Christian someone who builds houses for Habitat? If so, hate to break it to you – that’s not the Biblical definition. Neither is one who performs ANY good work. A Christian in the Biblical sense is someone who believes in the Crucified and Resurrected Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Good works have nothing to do with it, but good works are indeed a SYMPTOM of that belief. Hence – good works don’t make a person a Christian. However, a Christian should be someone who does good works as a by-product of his belief and desire to be Christ-like.

          • erschroedinger

            Sorry, even the Catholic Church says evolution is real. And Christ-like means welcoming strangers, not denigrating them. It means treating everybody equitably and fairly.

          • http://batman-news.com JeffSkeeve

            Wow – oh my gosh!! The Catholic Church says evolution is real so it absolutely must be true!! If the Catholic Church said you were a drooling vegetable, that would be true too I guess.

          • lynus55

            Your god is a drooling vegetable. Prove he is not! He must have been drooling, when he realized he messed up, and decided to start over, by flooding the joint. Killed all those young kids, babies, puppies, kittens, etc. And sinners, too. Why murder babies? has he no morality? Or is he just a psycho? (I vote for no. 2)

          • Guest

            The catholic “church” isn’t a scientific branch. 🙂 You get your science from a man in a funny hat – no wonder you’re clueless.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “You can’t even use the word “Christ” in “Christian””

            You know, the use of the letter X in things like “Xmas” was actually started by Christians in the first century AD. In the New Testament in its original Greek, “Christ” is “Χριστος” and it was often abbreviated to just “X”. So if someone is actually using that to avoid using the word “Christ”, they’re doing it wrong….

          • http://batman-news.com JeffSkeeve

            Great, thank you for that excellent history lesson. You clearly have mastered the art of Googling. Congratulations. Nevertheless, I bet you 1000 to 1 odds that people today (read: TWENTY-first century) especially atheists, are using the “X” in place of Christ as a pejorative. You have to be delusional to think that people are doing it today because “Christ” is spelled “Χριστος” in Greek. Give me a freakin’ break.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Geez, relax….I was just saying that’s where it started (and I did Google that just to see what the Greek actually was, but I had heard that before, by the way), so like I said, if someone’s using that to be insulting (I don’t know people’s intentions – maybe they are, maybe they ain’t) they’re not doing a good job of it.

          • http://batman-news.com JeffSkeeve

            Ah, I get ya. My apologies! I think the motivation behind “Xians” is ultimately hatred of Christ. Not everyone to be sure, but those who suppress the truth and encourage others to do the same, just as was written in Romans 1.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Well, I might disagree with you on that. Hatred of Christ? Hatred of Christians, at most.

            Don’t tell me you’re one of those guys who says “atheists hate God” or something like that….

          • http://batman-news.com JeffSkeeve

            It is pretty likely that most atheists do hate God, but it is disguised as something else. If it was mere indifference then they wouldnt work so hard writing books, publishing articles, or buying advertisements on buses and buildboards trying to convince everyone else that God doesnt exist. They would simply acknowledge that the “goodness” of the God whom they believe doesn’t exist has at least some side benefit to them and leave it at that. Ironically, if they could convince everyone of their point of view then the weakest of them would be culled by survival of the fittest, for there is no protecting the weak when there is no God. And likewise, without God there is no immorality at culling the weak. Stephen Hawking, for example, would have been eliminated from society as a burden to it long ago in such a paradigm.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            If it was mere indifference then they wouldnt work so hard writing books, publishing articles, or buying advertisements on buses and buildboards

            Uhm, pot, kettle, black. And Christians do it to convince everyone that your God does exist.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            No, it’s not “hatred of God”; I don’t hate something I don’t believe in. What I do hate is what some (some but not all!) of His followers do and say in His name.

            And no, atheism does not equal your misguided notion of what “survival of the fittest” means.

          • A_Wee_Lass

            You can’t hate something that you don’t believe exists. That would be the height of lunacy. Thinking Dinosaurs co-existed with man is right up there too though…

          • John Webb

            I’m sorry but you are raving and urgently need to seek medical advice. Atheism is the absence of belief. By definition an atheist cannot hate any god for the simple reason they do not credit his existence. The reason some non believers get angry and stroppy with some believers is not out of hatred it is out of frustration. Imagine going to a planning meeting and having a bunch of people sitting around a huge table and the meeting going really well until several of the people in the meeting start deferring to an empty chair. Worse still the meeting starts to fall apart again because several people keep looking to an empty chair and decide that against reason the empty space would not like how the meeting is going. That would be frustrating beyond belief. As for the rest of your argument well it could only be made by a person who did not understand how society actually functions.

          • http://batman-news.com JeffSkeeve

            Nice try pal, but Atheism is not the absence of belief. It is a belief system in and of itself! You cannot simply state “I have no beliefs” for that means you are a vegetable and frankly not even the “medical assistance” you say I need would help you. Further, if Atheism were truly defined as you say “the absence of belief” then NO ONE could actually be an Atheist! Belief is inescapable. A Worldview is inescapable. (If you’re human that is). You either believe in God or you BELIEVE there is no God. Either way requires belief, and all points in between.
            And Ultimately, yes, the Atheist does hate God. Read Romans Chapter 1 someday. All of creation reveals the existence of God. It is as obvious as the next sunrise, but the Atheist suppresses that truth. Do you really think that evolution taught the spider how to build a web? A bird to build a nest? A lamb to grow wool that we use to make sweaters? A plant to produce soft cotton? I mean seriously?! Plants that grow our clothes? This all “Just Happened???” No, the Atheist suppresses the truth which is supremely obvious to an even a casual observer. Why? Hatred for God, His rules, and His right of governance of our lives.

          • Danny Higgins

            wrong again

          • http://batman-news.com JeffSkeeve

            Really? That’s your post? “Wrong Again”? You know, any moron can leave a post saying “you’re wrong” and walk away. I’ll give you the opportunity however to explain why I’m “Wrong Again”. If not – then I’ll just assume you changed your mind. Fair enough?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “You either believe in God or you BELIEVE there is no God.”

            Wrong for a few reasons. Since you said “God” and not “a god”, you’re talking about the God of the Bible, I assume. You do know people believe in other gods, right? (Before you say “those are false Gods” or something like that, that’s totally beside my point. False or not, people believe in them)

            And, of course, there are agnostics. People who are either undecided themselves, or just think it can’t be known one way or the other if there is a god or not. (what you would call ‘strong agnosticism’ or ‘agnostic atheism’)

          • lynus55

            We learned something interesting in the census’ of the world, back in 2006. I thought that there were basically 2 kinds of folks: believers and non believers. Turns out, there are 2 more classes. Those that are neither, meaning the ones that have absolutely no interest in any kind of religion or non religion, (too busy living, I guess), and those that are RINO’s, (religious in name only). There is a distinction which can be made between the rino’s and believers, in that they give lip service to their supposed religion, but do not support it in any way. These people, by and large, are not indoctrinating their kids at an early age, so the kids are not brainwashed. Try converting a 15 year old rino that some god, a long time ago, got angry, and killed every living thing, trees, grain, kittens, puppies, young mothers, babies, except for one family of a father, Noah, his 3 sons (we do not know if they had spouses), and one women, Noah’s wife. Then the world was repopulated through incest between this obviously, VERY FRIENDLY FOURSOME! Poor woman. Oh, and they were all over 500 years old. Good luck with that conversion!

          • rjseva

            That belief system is called reason, which doesn’t work well with religion.

          • Dee Gee

            Hahaha, talking to this guy is like talking to a brick wall. He doesn’t even have the mental capacity to stop using quotes, from his mythological book, to state his case about what he thinks an atheist is.

          • Somebody_Else

            An absence of light isn’t a different kind of light.
            I’d be you failed your reason, logic, and rational thought classes, or have completely thrown away such concepts because you sure seem to be incapable of understanding such things, much less expressing them.
            I apologize if this sounds like an insult, but you sir, sound like you have flecks of foam around the mouth and are seriously in need of help.
            I shall now depart conversing with you as brick walls have more sound verbal arguments. Thank you.

          • Sue D. Nim

            I’m not an atheist, but most atheists I know are completely indifferent to all of the multiple gods that others believe in. Most don’t ever even talk about it, if they are not involved in writing books or delivering lectures. It is ridiculous to ascribe hate towards something that people don’t see as real. I don’t believe in many things that others do and I feel no hard feelings against those ideas of things that others have. Hate takes a belief of something’s existence and then a reason for that hate. It’s hard to work up hate against something you are sure is not real.

          • guy

            The burden of proof is upon the one making the claim… Atheists make no claim, you God bothering types do… you say there is this almighty creator God thing… OK fine, prove it!

          • No Brown M&Ms

            We hate God… OK, I’m sure you also hate Santa Claus too, since I’m assuiming you have an absence of belief in Santa Claus.

          • lynus55

            HANG ON THERE, BUDDY! What’s all this about no Santa? Then who exactly brings me all those neat gifts every dec. 25th? Not so smart now, eh Mr Smarty Pants!

          • lynus55

            Not even a nice try, Jeff. Atheism simply means the person has no theism. Period. They have no religion. They may have many beliefs, eg., Obama is a great president. That’s a belief. All beliefs are opinions. An atheist is of the opinion that there is no god, based on the reality that there is no evidence for his existence. The believer has the opinion that there is a god, with the same no-proof that the other has. Simple. You have to “believe” in your god since you have no proof. don’t go all crybaby on us when we educate you about your opinion of god. It’s only an opinion, both ways. btw, we don’t hate god. you can’t hate what does not exist. We hate stupid, naive, uneducated, dumb people. they think god gave us rules in the buybull. He did not. All the words in there are merely the opinions of men, mostly from the human they call Paul, who hit his head on a rock, saw a flash of light, and called it god. Brain damage is the foundation of christianity. Aside from the fact that your god sent an angel to rape a young girl named Mary. Get over it.

          • lynus55

            With no evidence, no one can say there is, or isn’t a god. But we can have opinions. It is your opinion that there is a god, based on zero evidence? Fine. That’s pretty arrogant, though. I see the same zero evidence, so my opinion is that there isn’t one. Not arrogant. I don’t hate things that don’t exist, but I sure hate stupid. I drove a school bus for 23 years as a side job, and we discussed religion and god opinions whenever some kid would bring it up. I probably “woke up”, ie., educated 5000 kids, so far. The world is now a better place.

          • guy

            How can you hate something which does not exist? Please explain?

          • Scott Hammill

            Atheists do not hate this god character you believe in! In order to hate something, it must first exist!

            Atheists do not write books or publish articles on Atheism, our scientists write books on science which, if we were to use your #christianlogic, your god gave us!

            ‘The “goodness” of the God whom they believe doesn’t exist…’ Yep, you got that right! By putting a single word in quotation marks in the way you did makes that word a point of sarcasm. Even according to The Colossal Compendium of Copious Crap, your “god” killed every single person on the planet except for one family in order to wipe out sin! He condones raping women and then stoning them to death for not being virgins on their wedding night! He “told” people how to treat SLAVES and that it was ok to beat them! He apparently loves everyone unconditionally, as long as we do what he says (which is a condition)! Your “God” is a friggin’ maniac, bent on destroying what he has made. The fact that we (humans) are still here is testament to the fact that this god character does NOT exist!

            Your statement “for there is no protecting the weak when there is no God” is utter crap! Ever since the emergence of this “one true god” of yours, the weak and the weak-in-numbers have been slaughtered in “His” name by “His” followers! You are all definitely “God’s” sheep, being led by and following a figment of some crazy person’s imagination!!

          • lynus55

            Oh, please. Nonsense! Evolution explains everything we need to know. Society has evolved away from the negative, and only leads to progress. The stupid die off because of stupid decisions, and changing conditions. god protects the weak, huh? I guess he was “protecting” all the little boys raped by your clerics. Maybe he just likes to watch?! Yeah, some moral guy, this gawd.

          • Bob Johnson

            Yep, he is.

          • Somebody_Else

            I’m betting on lazy typists. Have you seen the internet this last decade?

          • Mark McCauley

            Actually, just making the claim to be “christian” makes you one…..one of a hundred million or more versions….because your “religion” is exactly whatever you choose it to be. You have no more ability to judge someones version of “christianity” than they do yours.

          • Somebody_Else

            Naw, he’s probably just your run of the mill american too lazy to spell it out, much like I’m too lazy to capitalize most proper nouns.

          • Pithy Me

            Try to get along now. There’s plenty of BS to go around.

        • lynus55

          Atheists do good works too. We just don’t need an excuse, we just see the need, and help out.

      • erschroedinger

        That was in answer to a question about divorce. Why is it Christians don’t want to outlaw divorce? Jesus never spoke against gay marriage, but he did speak against divorce.

        • http://batman-news.com JeffSkeeve

          Well actually divorce should be outlawed – but good luck getting that accomplished when we can’t even overturn Baby Killing with Roe v. Wade. Incidentally, Jesus Himself noted one exception for divorce: Matthew 19:9. Infidelity. Arguably, physical abuse would be another exception.

          • lynus55

            Whoa, buddy, your gawd is the biggest baby killer of all time. He drowned millions, a while back. And all the little kids, puppies, kittens, blades of grass, cows, etc. What a jerk. And since he causes women to have miscarriages, he is also the biggest abortionist of all time. What a jerk!

        • Guest

          Sure He spoke against gay marriage. You do realize Jesus Christ is the same God of the Old Covenant, don’t you? And that He said He upheld Torah, which forbids sodomy for all mankind, not just the Jews.

          • Bob Johnson

            The Old Covenant also spoke out against cheeseburgers, but most American Christians ignore that.

          • Guest

            a.) Why don’t you cite that? Oh wait, you can’t, because that’s not in the Bible.

            b.) You are confusing dietary laws for Jews with universal laws for all mankind. The Bible distinguishes to whom which set of instructions was given.

          • Bob Johnson

            You seem to think the 613 commandments are easily divided into jewish (dietary) laws and universal laws. (A list of which can be found at
            http://www.chabad dot org/library/article_cdo/aid/756399/jewish/The-613-Commandments.htm )

            A quick review of that list does not make for easy disernment of which laws are universal.

            For example, Deuteronomy 22:29 concerning marrying a rape victim and paying her father, is this universal?

            And what of Leviticus 19:9, that we are to leave a corner of the field uncut for the poor? Is this a dietary law or a universal law?

            Perhaps you can point us to a source where the universal laws are pointed out and a list of those laws we are free to ignore.

          • Guest

            The Bible specifically states that some laws are for the children of Israel (the Jews) and others are universal.

            Your example of Deuteronomy 22:29 doesn’t pertain to rape. It pertains to a man thinking he can lead a woman on, sleep with her, and then dump her. Under God’s law, He could not, and was required to pay her father a dowry and take care of her for the rest of her life. God’s law protects women and their rights.

            Leviticus 19:9 specifies that it is a law for the children of Israel (the Jews) and refers to helping the poor. Don’t think you have to use up every last drop of everything for yourself – share with those who don’t have anything!

            Here’s how you can tell the difference between universal laws and Jewish law – Jewish law will be preceded with specific instruction “to the children of Israel”.

            Here you go:
            facebook DOT com/DrMichaelBrown/posts/10151445129555685

          • Bob Johnson

            It is so entertaining reading Christian Apologetics.

            Next up – why the Verity Baptist Church, Faithful Word Baptist Church, and Stedfast Baptist Church are not REAL Christians.

          • Guest

            Bob, you don’t know the Bible, and when you are corrected on an obvious falsehood that you’ve made, you whine like a sissy boy instead of politely saying, “Thank you!” 🙂

          • Bob Johnson

            And if anybody disagrees with you you immediately give them a thumbs down.

            Okay, Thank You, I’m grateful you know the Bible better than all those rabbis. Please keep us informed about your Truth.

          • Guest

            The Holy Spirit is the best teacher there is.

          • PN8891

            Actually–and I know this conversation is 3 months old–I think one could make a case for dividing the 613 commandments (giving you or your source the benefit of the doubt on counting them correctly) into two groups: Those which are mentioned in Acts 15:28-29, and those which are not.

    • erschroedinger

      Can’t find what? Loving each other? Not judging? Maybe the story of the Good Samaritan?

    • TD H

      Indeed. When I’m out living the Bible, stoning women who were assaulted because they didn’t scream loud enough as commanded in Deuteronomy, I wonder where Jimmy Carter gets his crazy ideas.

    • Mark McCauley

      I can almost guarantee that you can “find” a few that AREN’T in there, though 🙂

    • Laurie Spezzano

      Love one another.

    • Karen McMullen

      Like most non fundamentalists, he takes the bible with a large grain of salt, realizing that men wrote it, fallible men, who had a very limited view of the world. It is a record of ancient attitudes regarding ancient beliefs in a particular deity, one among many. Carter is a highly educated, thinking man.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Carter is wrong; God is holy and He has condemned homosexuality and transgenderism. What Carter says should not matter to Christians; he is a Democrat. No true Christians support infanticide or Sodomy in the land.

    • Jalapeno

      Ever heard of the “No True Scotsman” fallacy?

      • 4True

        Christians believe some things are true because God says so and all logic will have to revolve around that. Further the Bible has much to say about infanticide and some about sodomy as well.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Pre-christian = illiteracy and barbarism. Post-christian = Sodomy and mental illness. Judeo-Christian = truth, purity, light, and life.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        You Sodomy-supporting Westerners are a shame to all of your Christian forefathers. Ancient Greeks were not as militant depraved as you.

        • Jalapeno

          Yeah, people who like oral sex must just be awffulll.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No sane people do such things. Stop abusing animals, too.

          • Jalapeno

            If you’ve convinced yourself that the majority of the population isn’t “sane”, you should probably take a look at your standards.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Many people live for true love and not for sex. “…whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things.” (Philippians ch.4)

          • Jalapeno

            Yes..many people do.

            Many of those same people also enjoy oral sex.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You don’t know what many people do. And you should feel ashamed of talking about such thing. What you need is the life-saving Word of God. Respect your parents.

          • Jalapeno

            I do know that many people have oral sex. As a matter of fact, out of the 4 married couples that I talk to on a regular basis, every single one of them participates in oral sex frequently.

            I also know that those people love their partner and are good people.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            That’s your friends and your opinion. In any case, don’t talk about such things in public or take off clothes in public. Do something else, such as reading science books.

          • Jalapeno

            Did you forget that you’re the one who started complaining about sodomy?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It is wrong for the present secular Western nations to force mankind to accept Sodomy as a norm. You guys have some permanent mentality of slave owners, without the Holy Bible. Stop oppressing mankind. Enough of your evil atrocities. You guys need Christianity to be humane and civilized.

          • Jalapeno

            Which is it? Are you whining about it being talked about or are you talking about it?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Forced endorsement of Sodomy and the immoral chaos following after is the present social problem that Carter only strengthens.

          • Jalapeno

            Don’t worry, I’m sure very few people care if you approve. Nothing forced about it.

            Of course, you didn’t bother to answer the the question. Pretty telling.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Don’t insult your friends by talking about sexual conducts.

          • Jalapeno

            Kinda depends on the friends.

            Youre the one talking about it in a more public setting.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            America therefore many nations will lose liberty if they force people to endorse Sodomy. People must battle for liberty.

          • Jalapeno

            So YOU can bring it up because you’re better than the majority of people who have it.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Forcing people of endorsement of Sodomy from the West is today’s Nazi problem. It’s a social issue regarding liberty. Your opinions and information on what couples do should stay with you. I just need to tell you that you cannot make estimate on what many Christians do. You are confined in your little cultural sphere. Whatever you are or whatever you do, demanding others to endorse homosexuality and transgenderism is wrong. You guys have crossed the line. No submission to Sodomic West. Never again. Sin is the slavery. You guys need Christian virtues to be normal and not-oppressive. Learn something from your own history.

          • Jalapeno

            This is based on actual facts, actual surveys and information.

            Again though, no one cares if you approve. Don’t flatter yourself.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Then don’t post comments under my posts. Stop bullying. You non-believers start personal attacks when you are unable to refute the Christians’ point. There are true Scotsmen.

          • Jalapeno

            It’s not a personal attack. It’s a disagreement on what you say, like when you start complaining about forced acceptance…which isn’t there.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            USA imprisons and fines people for refusing to serve sinful celebrations, against God’s Word and against human conscience. Gay weddings are like Satan worships to Christians. (Leviticus ch. 18-20) Stop forcing people to serve your Sodomic filth in the nations which Christians have created for Christian happiness. You are not seeing the atrocities because you are on the bullies’ side.

          • Jalapeno

            I think you might be a bit mixed up.

            If you have a problem with the laws that insist that businesses can’t discriminate, you need to blame black people..not gays.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You Westerners must stop comparing the colored people with sexually immoral people. Being colored is God’s creation. Choosing sexual immoral (homosexuality, transgender, stc.) lifestyle is a willful sin. Never try to bend the Christian conscience on the American soil. Never again. Don’t waste your history.

          • Jalapeno

            I’m not comparing orientation with race.

            I’m saying that the laws you have an issue with were created because of race, not sexual orientation.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Western culture is wrong in applying racial equality upon the sexually immoral people. (You should have applied it on the unwanted children in wombs.) It brought religious persecutions against the Christians. You guys are never sorry for your oppressions against the minorities.

          • Jalapeno

            Ah…so you just want YOUR kind of discrimination to be special and allowed.

            It’s not like people who wanted to discriminate against black people thought it should be okay.

            Good thing we know better in this country and don’t give special treatment.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It’s wrong for the Western society to force people to treat sexual depravity as something normal. Sin is sin. Truth does not change.

          • Jalapeno

            You don’t have to treat it as normal.

            All you have to do is treat people equally if you open a business. Society generally expects you to be generally polite, which might be difficult for you, but..you’re not required to.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            USA must give all Christians and all moral people a right to refuse to serve gay weddings since gay “marriage” is not marriage according to God’s Word.

          • Jalapeno

            You have a right to refuse to serve gay weddings.

            You could do something crazy like not starting a business that handles weddings…it does mean that you won’t be serving straight weddings either, but you can’t expect to be exempt from the law. After all, your religion doesn’t get special treatment.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Everyone must be able to keep liberty and a clear conscience in a free nation. The society is wrong if Sodomy-supporters can bully moral people into doing something against conscience regardless of one’s vocation. Most religions are all against sexual immorality such as homosexuality. Christians and the Muslims make up 60% of mankind. Sodom’s rule of the law is meaningless to the truth and human conscience and to proper laws. God is the Law-Giver and He condemns homosexuality.

          • Jalapeno

            Sorry, your religion still doesn’t get special treatment.

            If you can’t handle not-discriminating, you can not start a business that makes you want to do so…just the same as everyone else.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, the battleline is here. Wedding businesses. If Sodomy-supporters are spoiled at this point, they will demand people the impossibles. Pastors will be imprisoned for preaching against homosexuality. Evil does not stay in the same size. No sacrifice made for tyranny’s demands. Sin has no equality with anything. Christianity created the USA; it has all rights to be special. Respect the creators.

          • Jalapeno

            No..it seems like the “spoiled” people are on the other side…saying that it’s okay to not be able to refuse to discriminate against black people or Christians, but that they don’t want to be held down by the same laws that protect them.

            “it has all rights to be special”

            Except for the fact that it conflicts with how our laws work. Sorry, still not special.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Being Christian is being moral and being colored or being white is God’s creation. Both are good, but being homosexual or transgender is immorality. Supporters of immorality must not push immorality; it is something evil. That’s the difference. Your culture will be charged for religious persecutions and human rights abuses if you continue the atrocities.

          • Jalapeno

            Some people think that discriminating based on race is okay and discriminating based on sexual orientation is not okay.

            Your opinion is legally equal to theirs, so the laws are going to be applied equally.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Intimacy is only between one man and one woman in marriage. All others are wrong and an immorality. No one can force anyone to treat sins as non-sins. The West is in error in coming up with the word “sexual orientation.” You will legalize pedophilia, polygamy, incest, animal abuses, and cannibalism in the same reasoning and the same logic. Laws need Christian morality to be proper. Don’t go down so hard. At least give all Christians freedom before the great downfall.

          • Jalapeno

            ” No one can force anyone to treat sins as non-sins”

            You don’t have to. You just need to not discriminate if you start a business.

            How do you keep forgetting that?

            ” Give all Christians freedom”

            They have the exact same freedoms that everyone else has, and the exact same protections.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Secular West is discriminating against the Christians. Everyone has rights not to associate with sins. Sodomy-supporters must not demand Christians to serve them.

          • Jalapeno

            Nope..exact same treatment, exact same expectations, exact same protections.

            That’s not discrimination.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Not the same. USA must stop trying to bend the Christian conscience.

          • Jalapeno

            How is it not the same?

            What expectations are placed on Christians that are not placed on anyone else?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You need Christians, but Christians do not need you. Stop oppressing the Christians.

          • Jalapeno

            What expectations are placed on Christians that are not placed on anyone else?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Unbelieving Americans are different from the case of regular pagans. Christians alone are good and fair to you, but you in return are persecuting them this century on the American soil. “Evil will never leave the house of one who pays back evil for good.” (Proverbs ch. 17) Take God’s Word seriously.

          • Jalapeno

            Sure, sure.

            What expectations are placed BY THE LAW on Christians that are not placed on anyone else?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            You expect a answer from her? Good luck with that.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You Americans have always looked as Christian species from the outside world. You just have no idea how much good you received solely from the Church. The white men cannot be separated from Christianity. Separation of Church and state means no dominion by a particular denomination, not separation of morality and man. The Starters of America and the Founding Fathers never imagined anything like today’s American non-believers could come into being in this world. You guys have only despicable Greek porns apart from the Holy Bible; that’s why the De-christianized West is not sure whether humans are human species or not. Stop returning to illiteracy and barbarism. You need the Holy Bible and the Church to stay civilized.

          • Jalapeno

            And with all that (inaccurate) ranting..you still didn’t manage to answer the question.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            America’s liberal authorities single out the Christians for persecutions for refusing to endorse homosexuality and transgenderism, not other groups. Christians are the vanguards for children’s life and the nation’s morality and liberty. I gave you the American reality you needed.

          • Jalapeno

            Do you have an example of a non-Christian breaking non-discrimination laws and not getting prosectued for it?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Do you know any Non-believer in America who does not support blasphemy( mockery against Christianity) and infanticide(abortion) and sexual immorality( co-habitation, homosexuality, transgenderism, etc.)?

          • Jalapeno

            Yes.

            Do you have an example of a non-christian getting away with “refusing to endorse homosexuality”?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Muslim bakers refused to bake the perv cakes and they were totally okay. The perv Western bullies know whom to attack.

          • Jalapeno

            The ones in Michigan?

            You can discriminate against gays in Michigan, no laws were broken. Why would you try to compare that to someone who WAS breaking the law?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It is totally a lawless thing to make Christians to sign same-sex “marriage” certificate or bake perv cakes against God’s Word and conscience. Period. American Christian conscience cannot be compromised under any circumstances. Your Sodomic authorities and Sodomic mass are commtting crimes against the Christians on the American soil.

          • Jalapeno

            Sure, sure.

            Do you have an example of non-Christians getting away with something that Christians don’t?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Wearing religious symbols and having prayer time and praising the name of God in public. Post-christian West has a problem with the majority religion(Christianity) alone. You guys are strange.

          • Jalapeno

            You get to do those things all the time.

            Can you name something that a non-Christian can do that you cannot?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are mistaken. Christians are told to take off crosses and are forbidden to pray in public schools or say the name of the Saviour in military. Bullies do not know the victims’ reality.

          • Jalapeno

            There are a few places, mainly government places, where religious prioritisation is not allowed..but that applies equally for all.

            So..try again. See if you can come up with some LEGITIMATE validation for your persecution complex.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, the liberals treat all Non-christian religions and sexually immoral people better calling them minorities. They only single out Christians for bullying.

          • Jalapeno

            Name ONE RULE that only applies to Christians.

            Just one.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It’s your custom to bully Biblical Christians. American liberals do not follow the letters of the law. Read your constitution. Stop suppressing the Christian religion.

          • Jalapeno

            Name one.

            Or..name a time when a rule was broken that a Christian was prosecuted for..but someone else broke that same rule and they weren’t.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Read your nation’s news. Christian bakers and florists and photographers and wedding hall owners and churches are being prosecuted for not holding same-sex weddings. You never bother the Muslims or any others.

          • Jalapeno

            So..you have an example of a Muslim breaking the law and getting away with it?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Western pervs only single out the Christians and make cases.

          • Jalapeno

            I have a much better explanation

            Christians are the ones BREAKING THE LAW.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, you guys are criminals against the Christians.

          • Jalapeno

            Sure, sure.

            Do you have an example of a Muslim breaking the law and getting away with it? Otherwise..your claim has no basis.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You Western liberals are nice to the Muslims, and I’m very happy for it. The Muslims won’t be able to endure such torturous insults you’ve been doing against the Christianity for decades. The liberals are spoiled, disrespectful people. Respect other people’s religions.

          • Jalapeno

            Do you have an example of them breaking the law and getting away with it?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            They refused to handle alcohol and they won. It was a good thing anyway.

          • Jalapeno

            What law do you think they broke?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            They refused to obey the manager or customer’s junk order. The US authorities admitted the law was a bad one. Religious liberty is first.

          • Jalapeno

            That doesn’t actually answer the question…

            There have been issues with employees being fired for refusing to sell alcohol, but I don’t recall any situations where they were obligated by the law to sell said alcohol.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Decadent secularists are the real law breakers.

          • Jalapeno

            Okay, sure.

            What law?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Taking away people’s rights to the religious liberty of openly serving God according to the Holy Bible and a clear conscience, by demanding people to endorse your same-sex “marriage.” Read Magna Carta and your independence document. You guys are being insane this century because of decades-long immorality.

          • Jalapeno

            Circular logic, and you don’t have to endorse anything.

            You said that secularists were breaking the law. What law?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You imprison and fine individuals the businesses who oppose same-sex “marriage.” It is against the constitution.

          • Jalapeno

            Incorrect. You can oppose it as much as you want.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Then why do you come after me? What everyone needs is a decent freedom of speeches.

          • Jalapeno

            No one’s stopping you from talking.

            Why do you think it’s against the law to oppose gay marriage?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Because the Western authorities claim “no discrimination against sexual ‘orientation'” and demand Christians to bend both the truth and conscience and to serve the Satanic same-sex weddings. LGBT people must be made stay safe and given certain rights( not marriage or access to children), but they need Christian message of repentance for them to get saved and live well. I always knew the Westerners would look down on the colored people because of how we look in skin colors, but being persecuted by you for opposing the sins of immoral homosexuality and transgenderism is something unthinkable. Why don’t you Westerners learn stuff from your own history? At this rate, America will ban the Holy Bible and proper Christian faith like Nazi Germany did. What else would you do when you are thirsty for bullying some particular groups? Why are you that way if you are really soory for what you have done to the colored people? Leave Christians alone if you are not evil.

          • Jalapeno

            That doesn’t mean you can’t oppose gay marriage. It means that if you have a business, you must treat all equally.

            “At this rate, America will ban the Holy Bible and proper Christian faith like Nazi Germany did.”

            Not true at all. That’s kind of a very immature way of thinking about things. If people don’t bend over backwards for you and make sure you don’t even have to follow the law and treat people with respect AS A BUSINESS OWNER, you whine that they might as well be Nazis?

            Grow up.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong; business and everything else in one’s life must be conducted by God’s Truth and a Christian conscience. Sin must be treated as sin. There is no such thing as sexual “orientation.” Intimacy is between one man and one woman within marriage; everything else is a sin, according to the Word of God. Sin must be treated as sin by moral people. The West will make pedophilia, incest, polygamy, and anything as legal at this rate if they treat every sinful lust as an orientation. And each time, rich people’s mental illness will get worse. This is a sheer madness. You guys are crazy. The Western liberals are well-dressed barbarians, blaspheming and killing the unwanted children in wombs. You guys are rich and powerful for now but are altoigether uncivilized entities apart from Christianity.

          • Jalapeno

            Here’s a hint.

            If you’re unable to separate your own beliefs from what you must do under the law…don’t start a business selling wedding cakes. Leave it to the mature people.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            What you’ve got is lawlessness. You didn’t need to be this bad. You guys are not mature( far from it!); you guys are just bored rich pervs who try to amuse yourselves by watching the Christians and children suffer. May God deal with our present civilization directly.

          • Jalapeno

            Its not lawlessness.

            There is a law in place, standards in place for how we can treat other people. You, being immature, want to be exempt from those standards because you think that your beliefs make you better than them.

            You’re wrong.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Today’s Western notion is lawlessness. I wouldn’t mind anyone coming to my store and purchase any bread, but no one can demand me to bake a cake celebrating homosexuality or divorce or profanity. It’s a common sense. USA lost fairness and even a common sense when the nation lost Christianity. And you always single out the Christians. You leave others alone, because liberals are cowards. It is you who will lose the land by sinning against God like that. The land belongs to God. Sodom inherits not a thing.

          • Jalapeno

            No ones demanding that you bake a cake…unless you start a business selling cakes.

            It’s interesting that you’re complaining that lawlessness is bad though, but you want the laws to not apply to you.

            “And you always single out the Christians”

            No..the people being singled out are the ones that are breaking the law.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Biblical Christians must be free to become bakers in USA without fear of being punished in rejecting serving the same-sex weddings or whatever the Holy Bible condemns as depravity. USA is under villains’ tyranny because the nation rejects to follow the Holy Bible. Liberty must be applied to Christians fully and not suppressed by the atheists and Sodomites.

          • Jalapeno

            Why should people be able to break the law without punishment?

            I thought you were AGAINST lawlessness?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Laws are lawful only under the Holy Bible. All other kinds dishonor the Creator God and abuse humanity.

          • Jalapeno

            “Lawful”, in this context, is referring to the civil laws.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Biblical laws are above America’s civil laws. Lawfulness is found only in the Holy Bible. Today’s America’s notion is a depravity. Keep your independence document. Everything must be under God’s authority.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            We don’t live under your biblical law, thankfully. We have seperation from state and church, which is a very good thing.

            Everything must be under God’s authority. Keep whishing that, not gonna happen.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Separation of Church and state never means separation of conscience and man. Anti-Bible Westerners always commit mega crimes against mankind, and the move must be protested now before it’s too late. Learn something from your own history. You guys have no rights to push your mentally-ill sexual depravity upon the Christians. You need God’s dominion for both salvation and civility.

          • Bob Johnson

            So which law would you recommend we follow: Sharia or Halakhah?

            Or can you point us to another clearly defined set of laws and a set of courts (imams or rabbis) to interrupt these laws?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, the Biblical principles alone work. Biblical Christianity alone can grant everyone the freedom of conscience, decent basic morality, human rights, and safety. Dominion by all other religions and ideologies including the Western secularism violate humans one way or another. The Christian British created utopia everywhere upon the earth. We are seeing the sunset; no one imagined the English-speakers would turn into oppressive pervs this century.

          • Bob Johnson

            Okay, we will set aside US law and our courts and implement your Biblical Christian laws. Which laws? Most people on this website claim that not all laws of the Old Testament apply. Which laws do we keep? Which laws do we set aside? Who interprets the law? Priest? Which priests? Catholic priests? Mormon Elders? Quakers?

            Jewish and Islamic courts have a vast set of rules to determine cases. When two people come to your Biblical Christian court, say for a divorce, who’s testimony do you listen to based on the Bible?

            The actual law and adjudication of the law is much more complex than a few principles.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Every word of God. The US constitution was set up so that people can freely worship and serve God according to the entire Holy Bible and a clear conscience. That’s why USA was a beacon of hope and liberty on earth. The reason today’s Westerners dislike the laws of God is because Christians condemn infanticide(abortion) and sexual chaos(homosexuality and transgenderism). We just wish you not to kill unwanted human beings and not to push your mentally-ill sexual depravity upon others, but you would not even comply with such minimum requests. Secularism is a tyranny. Non-West has been still suffering from its own age-old barbarisms and human rights abuses( the mimicked constitution is not always carried out properly). Therefore de-christianization of the West, a former powerful Christendom, is a real tragedy now. Please do not increase the world’s grief by going for pervs.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Biblical Christians must be free to become bakers in USA without fear of being punished in rejecting serving the same-sex weddings or whatever the Holy Bible condemns as depravity.

            If they as a public baker don’t break the law they will not be punished.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            There is no such thing as a public baker. People must not demand Christians or anyone to assicate some other people’s sexual immorality. You guys are bullying the Christians this century because you cannot bully the colored people for being colored anymore. Shame on you. The West is never sorry for its racism. Your stupid apologies decades later would be altogether useless by then. Stop bullying the Biblical Christians now.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            If you offer your service to the public, yes you have a public business. If you do, and you don’t provide your service to a homosexual because of your religion, you are breaking the law. Google it. If a Christian don’t want to service anyone who fits into their religion, don’t start a public business, it’s that simple.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            “Public” should have been made into “being sinful” by now. People have rights to morality. There is no such thing as sexual orientation; it’s Sodomic West’s filthy invention. They are calling pedophilia and animal abuses as sexual orientation now as well. Christianity is good and right and vital. Homosexuality and transgenderism are sinful rebellion against God. Sin has no equality with anything. No one has any right to force Christians to bake gay cakes if we do not want to. Period. The Western nations and their followers are being human rights abusers this century by supporting sexual sins unconditionally. People have rights to fight for liberty and justice. Why haven’t you guys learned anything from your own history? The Western civilization repeats utter evil by opposing God’s Word.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So do tell, in which western country are pedophilia and beastility not a crime anymore?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Intimacy is only for one man and one woman within marriage. All else are sins, whatever sinners’ sinful preferences or choices are. No one has rights to bend that truth because that is God’s truth and His decree. Any nations that allow children to be in the perv parades are committing child abuses because children have rights to innocence. Canada recently legalized sexual abuses on animals. Some Western nations are also legalizing death by suicide. Public servants and every business have rights to keep the Word of God and a clear conscience. Any man can say NO to sexual sinful lifestyles, and the West is wrong to demand people to serve the Sodomites’ rituals that mock human marriage.

            Sodomy-supporters demand moral people to serve their causes in the West and it is the wrong thing to do. Residents in the Western nations should have rights not to serve the celebrations of Sodomy because those are sinful. Biblical Christians are the new black slaves in the West today. You guys oppressed colored people and sucked our blood before; stop pushing your mentally-ill sexual immorality upon us now. You have no rights to corrupt the world. You guys should go down by yourselves if you want to go down so badly; don’t drag other civilizations with you. You and your mental slaves will go extinct from childlessness at this rate. Don’t shame your forefathers. The Western nations must repent of their sexual depravity to get a life. You guys need Christianity to be moral and normal – all of you.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So, you can name one nation where beastiality is legal, as long as there is no penetration. No nation where pedophelia is legal. Got it!

            I didn’t ask about euthanesia.

            And no answer to my other question, how homosexuals abuse human rights. Only that what you have said a loads of time.

            LGBT people are here to stay, deal with it. it’s called freedom of choice.

            Oh and no answer on when you made the choice to be straight. Got it!

            And having a public service and only service those you want, is a crime. Deal with it.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The nations who allow homosexuality practically are allowing pedophilia, as homosexuality is closely tied with pedophilia and AIDS. Today’s secular nations have troubles in grasping what morality and health is. The nations that make same-sex “marriage” legal demand people to help out the immoral celebration unconditionally. That violates both God’s truth and the freedom of human conscience. I’m not talking about LGBT people’s existence; they’ve been always and everywhere, but the West is doing unprecedented wrong this century in demanding people to endorse the sinful lifestyle and mock marriage. It’s the huge difference in human history.

            The LGBT people need callings for repentance and the Gospel of Jesus Christ for salvation, not the rights granted by the authorities to oppress Christians in the land. Normal and moral people are always straight and marry only once in lifetime. You grew up in a filthy culture and do not know the real norm of humanity. The Western nations are criminals in forcing people to serve immorality against God’s Truth. The West will be always slave drivers at this rate. Immoral civilization has no rights to order people around. You must fear God instead of bullying the Christians in order to live.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            The nations who allow homosexuality practically are allowing pedophilia, as homosexuality is closely tied with pedophilia and AIDS.

            Uhm, no they don’t. Being homosexual is not a crime, pedophilia is a crime. That homosexuality is tied to pedophelia is a myth Christians love to point out. And I didn’t say a word about Aids, so not going to touch that one.

            Normal and moral people are always straight and marry only once in lifetime.

            And marry only once in lifetime? In which time to do you live, get real.

            You grew up in a filthy culture and do not know the real norm of humanity.

            Uhm, I grew up in a normal culture and I know the real norm of humanity. Don’t presume you know me, cause you don’t.

            And still no answer when you made the choice to be hetero. I guess you can’t, because you didn’t make that choice, you just are, just like me and millions of other hetero people around the world.

            And no answer how homosexuals abuse human rights. Or do you not know the definition of human rights? Look it up.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, homosexuality is linked to pedophilia, because such sexual chaos makes anything the object of abnormal lust. Sexually decadent culture must not be the standard for any human being. Today’s secularists want a dystopia of immorality. People have rights not to comply with such sinful notion. Romance is between one man and one woman towards marriage and within marriage, and those who seek otherwise are all sexually immoral. People have rights to purity. Homosexuals force normal people to endorse their sins, and the exposure to homosexuality is a child-abuse. Children have rights to innocence. Human rights are the God-given rights to life, literacy, liberty, morality, equality, justice, and happiness. No God = No rights. Read the Holy Bible and historic documents; do not hijack noble ideas for your filthy end. You guys got false applications in all things because you ignore the Origin and intended meanings. The West always does a mega tyranny when it departs from the Word of God. You need God to be saved and civilized and become humane.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Whatever woman. You keep ranting, I keep living my life.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You need Jesus for salvation. Jesus came to the world save sinners. You have no life apart from Him. Please do not disregard this vital message. Accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ to get saved.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            You know what a Atheist is, right?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Atheism has no salvation but only death and despair. Jesus Christ gives you the truth, light, and life. Jesus is the Way and the Truth and the Life. (John ch. 14) He is the Saviour of the world. (John ch. 4)

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Again, you know what a Atheist is right? Well let me explain it. A Atheist is someone who doesn’t BELIEVE in your God, Christ, Holly Spirit, whatever you wanne call it. So no matter how many time you rant about your whole God is the light and so on, won’t make me change my mind. Got it? Well probably not, but hey can’t blame me for trying to explain it to you. Good day.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You must change and cease to be atheist by accepting God’s truth. You must repent of your unbelief and trust in Jesus Christ for salvation.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            See previous my comment.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            This is the truth. [The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none who does good. The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there are any who understand, who seek God. They have all turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is none who does good, no, not one. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. ] (Psalm ch.14, John ch.3)

          • biff41035

            You are very crazy. Your pope told you to apologize also apologize. You are what’s wrong with this country. Oh I live in Grant County KY and I will be at the stupid Ark everyday to make fun of you idiots. Thankfully it won’t be around for long. Theme parks have failed times here just read about Kentucky Kingdom not to mention the theme park about 75 miles north called Kings Island that has way more stuff to do and doesn’t require you to convert to gain entry. The whole thing is failure waiting to occur.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            That’s what’s wrong with this Pope. Today’s Western world must apologize for blasphemy and for promoting and funding infanticide and Sodomy in the already-suffering world, although sins are each individual and each nation’s responsibility. You guys are mocking Christianity, the only good religion on earth, because you are being too spoiled by the gentle Christians and are being too bored from having too much of everything due to your hard-working Christian ancestors’ contribution, but God will judge the Sodomic West and its servants soon. You must repent of your sins to get saved. (John ch.3) The West will always enslave people if it departs from the Word of God. No submission to Sodom. You guys need Christianity for salvation and civility. You only have selfishness and immorality, apart from Christianity.

          • biff41035

            I’m not afraid of a fake god. No one is but morons like you. Tell your god I said he is a coward and won’t do sit to stop the expansion of LGBTQ rights.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, you guys are the slave owners who try to demand normal people to accept your sinful mental illness so that the slavery of sin will spread. You hate God because you’ve become hopelessly immoral. You need to repent of your blasphemy to get a life. Stop oppressing others.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            The West will make pedophilia, incest, polygamy, and anything as legal at this rate if they treat every sinful lust as an orientation.

            Pedophilia, incest, rape, etc are a crime. Polygamy is illegal. Sex between two concenting adults, be it heteroes or homosexuals is not a crime. See the difference?

            There are many countries who have SSM for some years now, The Netherlands 15 years and Belgium I thought 13 years, to name a few. The Netherlands was the first country to have SSM, and pedophilia, incest, rape, etc, are still a crime there.

            And each time, rich people’s mental illness will get worse.

            So, only rich people are homosexuals? Oookay, got it.

            You guys are rich and powerful for now

            Nope, I’m not rich. Money isn’t everything.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Forcing people to condone homosexual immorality is a crime, too, but that’s what is happening in the secular West and its mental-slave nations. The Western Europe made laws to put sick and old people to death. Canada legalized sexual abuses on animals. All white men’s nations teach children in public schools that sexual depravity should be adhered. All nations have some forms of barbarism, but the West was a Christendom before and this kind of evil must be halted because they are powerful and threaten others to follow their sick culture. The Western companies support sexual depravity and fund it; I wasn’t talking about you, but you belong to that culture. You must stop persecuting the Christians. Freedom of conscience is the basic of all human rights.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Happy Father’s Day to any fathers in your relatives, Grace!

            Thank you so much for your amazing wisdom – I love reading it!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Thank you so much. Happy Father’s Day to you, too. If they bully my most beloved American Christians for opposing homosexuality and transgenderism, I’d be bullied with you, too. If America loses such basic human rights and liberty, all of us Earthlings only have so much time for rights and freedom as well.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “bake perv cakes against God’s Word”???

            Admittedly, I’m no Bible expert, but I haven’t seen that one anywhere, I think I would remembered if it said “thou shalt not bake perv cakes”.

            What exactly a “perv cake” would be, I’m not sure, either….

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            God told His people not to do any evil. (II Corinthians ch. 6) Baking cakes for same-sex “marriage” or divorce or promiscuity is doing evil because those are sins, and no one should help anyone celebrate sins. You Westerners got weird in the last three decades for having a full stomach and constant boredom and by losing Christianity. You guys have no moral sense apart from Christianity. Stop threatening nations to accept per-ver-sion of your choice. People have rights to life and to morality. You guys are a shame to all your Christian forefathers.

          • hamfish

            Sin is an entirely human concept. More than likely invented by old impotent men bitter about seeing younger people having a good time.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Not true. Sin is sin; it’s the objective truth from God. Those who do not honor God do not respect the parents. Immoral young people should not abuse children.

          • Bob Johnson

            So mental illness is a communicable disease?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You guys are severely suffering from boredom. And the wealthy West’s depraved boredom makes the entire world suffer. Be serious about life like the rest of the Earthlings. Stop bashing your Christian ancestors who were far better than you morally. They were not baby-killers or sexual pervs or well-fed addicts.

          • Mike

            Not baby-killers? I guess they just left that up to god.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            God is perfect and good and sovereign. When He takes away children, it is for their good. He makes all His innocent creatures happy. You are a sinful creature who cannot make anyone happy including yourself. You must not conduct abortion; it is murder.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            God is perfect and good and sovereign. When He takes away children, it is for their good. He makes all His innocent creatures happy. (Psalms) You are a sinful creature who cannot make anyone happy including yourself. You must not conduct abortion.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Being colored is God’s creation. Being gay is an immoral sin. The West is wrong to push sexual depravity making up “sexual orientation.” Businesses and gov’t officials must be able to retain the clear conscience under all circumstances.

          • Jalapeno

            Sexual orientation is a thing.

            In some states, you can’t discriminate against people based on it. You’re hoping for an exception for the law…but that would be lawlessness.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Those states are wrong. The Holy Bible treats today’s Western culture as a sexual sin, and that is the reality. No Bible = No lawfulness.

          • Jalapeno

            I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but we don’t base our civil laws on your religion.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, you do. Because you never read the Origin(the Holy Bible), you have no idea where your forefathers got the sense of fairness. They stole stuff from the Holy Bible; they just never imagined their descendants would be so Bible-illiterate since they educated all children to make sure everyone understood the Holy Bible. No one would discover the existence of the God-given human rights, liberty, equality, and justice apart from the Holy Bible. The Westerners would have been just another case of illiterate savages like the rest if they had no Bible. You only have some stupid pagan porn stories as your own. Ex-christian West is about to fall because of the loss of Christianity. Man has only chaotic immorality if he loses his good conscience, as seen on today.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The secular West’s Sodomic oppression is the global problem. It diminishes morality from all free nations. You must stop slavery.

          • erschroedinger

            Nobody’s forcing you to endorse anything, but you don’t have the right to use the power of government to force your religious views on others.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The government must not force atheism, either. USA is not a communist nation. Secularism must retain neutrality and not push one godless agenda.

          • HelenaConstantine

            Nee you be reminded that the Bible enthusiastically supports slavery? “Slaves obey your masters” Paul says.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Acts ch.5 tells us to obey God rather than men. Apostle Paul also said we must not be man’s slaves; he was refering to non-criminal employers in commanding obedience, not to Sodomic slave owners. Read the entire text. American forefathers kept liberating mankind everywhere. Mankind must not be enslaved by the noble Americans’ Sodomic descendants. You guys are a shame to your own fathers. Respect your parents. (Exodus ch.20)

          • erschroedinger

            Actually that verse was used for 200 years by Christians to justify slavery.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Biblical white Christians kept fighting against slavery and let slaves escape where possible and taught slaves how to read and write. Slaves understood everyone’s God-given human dignity from reading the Holy Bible and freed themselves. Christian British and Christian America are the only civilizations that actively abolished slavery without being interfered from the outside forces and taught the entire world to respect each other equally, because every tribe on earth was conducting slavery. Today’s West’s guilt is blasphemy, infanticide, and active Sodomy. Biblical Christians are speaking against those as they have done before. It’s human government bodies and human cultures that are evil. Mankind must submit to God’s Word to be right and humane and civilized.

          • Guest

            Christians overturned slavery.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Holy Bible also says, “Obey God rather than men.” (Acts ch.4)

          • Bill_Clement

            No one needs xtianity. No one needs any religion.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. Everyone needs Christianity for salvation. Without Christianity, the West has no morality or even sanity.

          • erschroedinger

            That’s silly. I know Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews, atheists who are highly moral, more moral than some Christians.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. The pagans never knew human rights and religious liberty even exist. They learned those after being beaten up by the Christian West. They had no idea that men and women are equal until they contacted the Christian missionaries. Ex-christian West and its followers do not adhere any religion; when they pretend to respect religions, they do that to put down the Biblical Christianity in their society. Non-religious means killing babies at will and being sexually immoral. Secular West’s top value is the worship of self and sexual immorality. Those are sins and not religion.

          • erschroedinger

            It’s wrong for you to try to force your religious beliefs on others using the law.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Christianity is good and right and vital to all. Planet Earth has nothing to fight against humanity’s barbarism and tyranny and immorality except for the Holy Bible. You need Biblical Christianity to be civilized. Without the Christian virtues, people commit atrocities one way or another. Judeo-Christian values brought good laws and lawfulness into the world. Read Magna Carta.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            God bless you, Sister Grace, for your many words of wisdom each and every night. Thank you for caring about the dying West!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Thank you; every region is dying, too. Thank God Jesus Christ gives life. Thank you so much for your encouragement always. The Lord bless you for your kindness.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            The Lord bless you too, Sister Grace! You are fighting the good fight and will be rewarded for it many times over!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Thank you so much. I know I sound mean time to time; but I found no other way to get to today’s Western kids here the direct truth. I reall want them to stop insulting Christianity which is a heinous crime for them to do. I deeply appreciate your kindness. I regard USA as my beloved homeland. ^^ I feel like American Christians raised me.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You are not mean at all, Grace: the Truth is always offensive to the unbeliever.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Thank you ^^;

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Amen, Sister Grace!

    • erschroedinger

      God also condemned divorce. Tattoos. Not wearing a beard. Wearing clothes made of 2 different fabrics.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Beard and fabrics were ethnic rules that Jesus has fulfilled for all. Today, it is applied to being decent and being single-hearted to God. Everyone is responsible for keeping the moral laws in the Holy Bible. Most Christians do not go for divorce or tattoos, And secular West does not force anything yet other than funding abortion and endorsement of homosexuality and transgenderism now, so those are more problematic than others for now in the given culture.

      • Guest

        You’re confusing which laws were for which people. God specifies, you know.

    • hamfish

      Then why did he make homosexuals and transgender people? Isn’t he a bit cruel to do that. GFYS!

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Homosexuality and transgerism is a willful sin and not God’s creation. The Western world should stop racism against the colored people and start differenciating God’s creation( being white or colored) and being sexually immoral( homosexual, transgender, etc.).

  • Emmanuel

    “Depart from me, I never knew you.”

    • TJ Bradders

      Said no God ever.

      • Emmanuel

        The day will come when you will hear it from God. That is a promise.

        • Michelle

          It’s awfully presumptive of you to make promises for God. So… “Holier than thou.” Who gave YOU the authority? Where in the bible does it say “‘Emmanuel’ invokes the word of God.”

          • Emmanuel

            No one but the Bible says it so it will happen. Read for yourself. I’m not judging anyone, everyone will hear those words if you believe or not. Just like, every knee will bow to God like it or not. It’s a promise.

          • Randy Bobandy

            Which of the 5000+ gods are you referring to? Zeus, Mithra? I’m confused…..

          • Dee Gee

            LOL

          • Emmanuel

            That One that created Zeus and all your gods.

          • imnotasheeple

            It looks like Christians will be waiting a LONG time for Jesus to return.

            Revelation 14:19-20 “So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God. 20 And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses’ bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles.”

            200 mile radius. Bridle height 4 1/2 feet. Average Human has 10 pints of blood.

            Jesus would have to trample TWO TRILLION NINE HUNDRED SIXTY BILLION humans in his “Wine press of Wrath” to fulfill this prophecy. We currently have slightly over SEVEN BILLION humans on Earth.

          • John c

            The math dont lie!

          • John c

            Cthulu then?

          • Joel F

            Randy is right. Christianity is just one more middle eastern iron-age goat herder mythology that everybody can live without. That being said, if more christians were half the person Jimmy Carter is, I would not complain. 😉

          • Randy Bobandy

            He was a fucking horrible president, but is a great human being…..

          • Walt Jakubisyn

            Pssst…. you seem unaware, Emmanuel, so I’ll clue you in… the Bible is FICTION! This is clear and obvious, to any rational person who has read it.

          • Emmanuel

            Pssst….only to those that don’t care. But to those that do, it’s the truth.

          • Walt Jakubisyn

            Saying it’s the truth, doesn’t make it truth. Containing stories that are scientifically proven to be UNtrue, like Noah’s Ark, Adam & Eve, Jonah and the Whale, etc. are all the proof we need to demonstrate that the bible is fiction. My question is.. Why do you believe it?

          • Emmanuel

            You are correct, me saying is not for everyone but only for me and for those that believe like me. So, you can believe or not. Also, your lack of believe does not make those stories, and their meaning, any less or not true.
            Now as for me, I believe it because of what he has done for me. I have seen the hand of God in my life (not literally), have witnessed his power physically, I have heard the voice of the Holy Spirit and I have experienced things that only those that believe and have faith can see.
            This might be confusing to you and you can question it but unless you have faith, you will never see it or believe it. God is a personal person. If you want to see or feel Him, he is available. But, if you don’t want him around, he keeps his distance. It’s up to you.

          • Walt Jakubisyn

            My lack of belief in the stories does not make them untrue… The fact that they are NOT TRUE makes them untrue ! Virtually every branch of science demonstrates that the Noah’s Ark myth was a physical impossibility. You would need three times as much water as currently exists on earth to accomplish what the Bible claims. Also, humans, and virtually all other life on earth would now be extinct if it actually happened. Eight people, or one breeding pair of each animal, does not provide enough genetic diversity to continue the species. The fact that humans and animals still exist on this planet, is irrefutable proof that a global flood 4000 years ago, never happened! That is a fact… No matter what you believe or don’t believe . We have plenty of evidence to support the global extinction event that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago….So why would we have no evidence at all, to support a global extinction event that happen only 4000 years ago?? The obvious reason is because it never happened!

          • Emmanuel

            You are only taking one event from the bible to support your theory. That is ok and your right. Did the flood occur, probably/probably not, but do you know what the point of that story is? All stories in the Bible have a message for his believers. You look at the evidence and we look at the lesson God has for us.
            But, you missed my point about God being available and personal. You look for physical evidence but this is spiritual. You need to address your spirit and faith.

          • Kevin Armes

            There are many such fictional events in the bible. Why would you have faith in a book that you accept is probably inaccurate? The story of Adam and Eve is also demonstrably mythological. However, without it there is no eternal sin and without that, there is no requirement for salvation by Jesus Christ. This is where Christianity collapses like a house of cards.

          • Emmanuel

            How do you address the true stories in the Bible. There is proof in Egyptian history about Moses and Joseph. The Roman history on Saul of Tarsus. Jewish history on King David and King Solomon. Again, you can take a few stories and say that the whole book is fictional. that is your thing. but, you deny stories that are true. As for sin, you can believe there is no sin. I wish you best on that. But, let me ask you, what was the first sin documented in the Bible? Is that sin still here today? how do you deal with that sin in your life?

          • Kevin Armes

            The first sin is known as the original sin and was that committed by Adam and Eve when they ate the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden. Without this sin, there is no requirement for the sacrifice of Jesus to pay for all the sins of mankind. This destroys the fundamental tenet of Christianity.

            Just because the bible contains some truth does not mean it should be taken literally as the word of a god. There are clearly many inaccuracies and contradictions in the book which prove it cannot be the word of an omnipotent, omniscient god. If that were the case, it would be perfect and would leave nothing to interpretation. A guidebook designed to prevent humans from sin and the consequential eternal torture, should surely be unambiguous about everything. We know this is not true because of all the religious wars and disputes that have occurred that simply should not have. The book is either fallible and cannot therefore be the work of an infallible being, or it is 100% correct and the god which wrote it is a psychopath who enjoys giving mixed messages and consequently watching his ‘sheep’ roasting for eternity.

          • Emmanuel

            The eating of the fruit was the first sin but why did they do it? This reason explains a lot.
            Let me just be blunt here, if you do not want to follow God, believe in Christ’s death and redemption for the world and want to follow his Word, then don’t read the Bible and move on. The Bible is not for you. You live according to Kevin Armes and we will live according to the Word of God. The Bible was not written for you so don’t read it. You live with your “sins” and we will with ours. We will find forgiveness in Christ and you with whatever you think and please.
            At the end, God will not force you to worship him and you can’t ask for heaven. You will get what you get at the end. If it’s not true, oh well, I wasted this one shot on nothing. If you are wrong, you will not get heaven and you get to roast.
            So let’s not beat around the issues and look for what is true and not. Let’s look at the future. What will that look like?

          • Kevin Armes

            “So let’s not beat around the issues and look for what is true and not.”
            And in that one sentence you encapsulate everything that is wrong with religion. You do not care about the truth, you only care about what you believe.

            You also miss a very valuable point when you tell me that atheists should not read the bible because it is not for them. The point is, that atheists HAVE read the bible and rejected its claims because of the reasons you chose to ignore in my earlier comment ie if your god is omnipotent and perfect, why is the bible not perfect? The followers of the Abrahamic religions have been killing each other over various interpretation for centuries and your god does nothing to prevent it. Does he do nothing to prevent children dying because although he wants to, he is powerless to stop it. If so, he is not all-powerful? Is it that he is able to but chooses not to? Then he is malevolent. If he were able and chose to stop it. Then why do children still die? If he neither able nor willing to prevent evil then why do you worship him and call him god?

            Finally, you dismiss those who are not convinced by your vague reasons for believing in the existence of god by declaring they will ‘roast’ while you will live in happiness in paradise. Would you be happy knowing that your god was ‘roasting’ some of the people you have known and maybe even loved? If your idea of happiness is to live forever knowing that others are screaming in torment for eternity, then you have a very selfish view of humanity. What if it was your offspring, or sister or parent who for the ‘heinous’ crime of not bowing down to a tyrant (a god who says worship me or I’ll torture you forever) was to spend eternity writhing in agony? Would you simply sit on your cloud saying to yourself ‘they deserve everything they get’? Are you really that much of a monster?

          • Emmanuel

            I know the truth, you are not interested in hearing the Truth. actually, you know it but deny it. Also, religion is not important. Religion is only man made rules. I’m talking about relationship, faith and believing in Christ. outside of that, man made and not real.
            The bible was written by men that were inspired by God. So, is there human error, yes. But, it’s still the inspired word of God. The Gospels were written by men that witnessed Jesus’ miracles. You want to discredit their personal experience? Paul had an encounter with Christ. He is testifying to that in his writings. They are humans, yes, but they are filled with the Holy Spirit and He directs and teaches them. It’s not about the human but about God.
            Man has free will. No one will force you to worship or to follow. Like you and your wife/partner have free will to love each other. You can do what you like. If a person decides to kill another person, that is their choice. they needs to live with those consequences. Now here’s a question, evil is not evil unless you compare it to something. What are you comparing evil to? Good. So what is good? Hitler thought it was good to destroy a nation. why is it evil?
            To me, and from what I read, all good and bad situations have a lesson and will always end well. You might not think so but I do. The scriptures even say that. Yes, a baby dying is horrible but something good will come of it for the parents or family. We all have purpose no matter the length of our life. Again, this is not about humanism but God.
            Again, God will not force you to worship him. He will also not allow you into “heaven” when you don’t believe. He will not reward those that did not follow him. maybe hell is not real but separation from God, the same thing as hell.
            You want your cake and eat it too. You want to live however you please, in your sin, but then demand a great afterlife “heaven” because you were this great man. Your deeds will not get you anywhere. It’s about your trust and belief in Christ.
            John 3:16 breaks it down perfectly. Whoever believes, will not perish but have eternal life. So how do you fit in this text?

          • Kevin Armes

            Oh, I love this. LOL

            “You want to live however you please, in your sin, but then demand a great afterlife “heaven” because you were this great man. Your deeds will not get you anywhere. It’s about your trust and belief in Christ.
            John 3:16 breaks it down perfectly. Whoever believes, will not perish but have eternal life. So how do you fit in this text?”

            Firstly, you assume I will demand a great afterlife. Wrong! I don’t believe in an afterlife. Secondly, without knowing anything about me. You assume I ‘live in sin’ and ask how I fit into John 3:16. Of course I don’t fit into your text because I do not subscribe to your book of myths, but that does not mean you are allowed to judge me and assume I live in sin. However, as you do claim to follow the bible, let me ask you how you fit into these texts.
            Matthew 7:1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
            Luke 6:37 Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

            So my dear Emmanuel, it would seem if you are right and am wrong, we may yet meet – in the afterlife at Satan’s barbecue. LOL

          • Emmanuel

            You’re correct, I don’t know you. I was not being personal but more general. Did not mean to offend but just use you as an example. So please forgive me if you feel that I offended you.
            Regardless if you (general term) believe or not, the afterlife is guaranteed to everyone. We will all face it when we pass. We will all be told and exposed to the truth. Yes, we all live in sin. Sin is sin like the afterlife. Denying it does not automatically eliminate it. We all have sins that need to be forgiven. As for judging, we can judge. You know the bible, how did Jesus treat the pharisees? How did he treat his disciples? I can’t judge a person that does not know Christ but I can if they do.
            I try everyday to live according to John 3:16. I’m not perfect, have some error in me but I know who to run to when I sin and slip. I have the reassurance that when I pass, I will be walking the streets of gold, have my crown and I will worship Christ for all eternity.
            As for the BBQ, that was funny. LOL I have not RSVP for it so I will miss it. If you have RSVP, enjoy it! LOL
            I enjoy this conversation.

      • plot_thickens

        This is how it goes. One of us is wrong. If Emmanuel and me are wrong we’ve wasted a lifetime. If you are wrong you’ve wasted eternity. Enjoy your day.

    • cromagnum

      Religion is institutionalized hear/say.

      • Emmanuel

        Don’t worry, you will get to hear those words one day.

        • http://www.waivingentropy.com/ Daniel Bastian

          I’m sure whichever god you’re defending on online message boards is very proud of you.

          • Emmanuel

            Doing the Lord’s work

        • John c

          If i ever did meet your imaginary freind who supposedly made me in his image, he’s going to get a good old kick in the nuts just for putting them where he did and making them so sensitive!

          • Emmanuel

            Well, good luck with that.

          • Joel F

            If there is a God, or gods, Emmanuel, christians will be in deep trouble. So you had better hope that us rational and scientifically minded folks are correct about your mythological hustle like we are about everything else. 😉

          • Emmanuel

            Ok, when your number is called, you will know the truth. I hope you picked the right path. So, have a great one and best of luck.

        • JO QWERTY

          argumentum ad baculum

    • Joel F

      You’re not able to make people fear some iron-age goat herder mythological wrath today; we all know that’s a hustle, brah.

      • Emmanuel

        I hope you don’t hear those words. If you do, the truth will be revealed to you and to all of us.

  • Amos Moses

    “The earth is four billion years old, … but I don’t see a conflict there,”

    Except there is no evidence ………….

    • Jalapeno

      Except..all of the evidence we have.

      • Daniel Allen

        Such as? Back up your statement with facts. If you know something about this subject you should share it with us. I really want to hear it.

        • Jalapeno

          Such as..everything. The way our bodies work, the way the structures in the bodies of bats, whales, and people all have many similarities that really only make sense if you understand where they came from. The way our DNA looks, the way the fossil record has filled out. You can also see micro-evolution all the time and it’s pretty much exactly what we would expect to see. You also can’t forget about how the similarities and small differences in different animals in geographic places that have changed over time REFLECT those changes.

          Sure..sure, it could have just been all “engineered” that way, but it doesn’t make as much sense and everything we’ve seen makes evolution make more sense.

          • Savedbygrace

            So as a well read and educated evolutionist you have no problem with certain impossibilities…like the fact that our organs could never evolve because our “evolving” lymph system rely on fully functioning systems, which are reliant on fully functional lymph systems? Or the fact that no life could survive evolution, even if it ever occurred. Or the probability of human life sustained on earth by evolutionary “theory “being mathematically impossible?

          • Jalapeno

            We can figure out how the lymphatic system evolved by looking at how it functions in non-vertebrates and birds..it’s been explained pretty thoroughly.

            “Or the fact that no life could survive evolution, even if it ever occurred”

            …Uh, what? Life DOES survive evolution, all the time.

            ” Or the probability of human life sustained on earth by evolutionary “theory “being mathematically impossible”

            Based on what, exactly?

          • Savedbygrace

            1)So you look at the origins of organs and systems in humans via other animals to explain the development in humans. And it’s explainable “pretty thoroughly”. Think about that a bit.
            2) Survivial in transitional states is impossible. Not just unthinkable.
            3) Mathematicains have already pondered the implausibility of humans surviving on earth by chance. It is MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

            That’s why I personally choose not to believe in the theory of MACRO evolution, a process no one has ever witnessed. Not so strange, really.

            Oh yeah…I almost forgot. There IS a book which explains the origins of life wonderfully. You will never see it in school though.(strange that!) Guess what’s its called? I think you know already.

          • Jalapeno

            “Think about that a bit.”

            Yeah, it makes perfect sense.

            “Survivial in transitional states is impossible”

            Not at all. Do you even know how evolution works?

            ” surviving on earth by chance”

            Well it wasn’t ‘by chance’.

            “That’s why I personally choose not to believe in the theory of MACRO evolution”

            Yeah..let me guess, you think that micro evolution simply stops. Cute.

          • HelenaConstantine

            You should find the refutation of these lies, and then go and call out whoever told you these lies–a pastor I bet? What does a pastor do? herd sheep.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            No it doesn’t. It takes much more “faith” to believe in evolution than divine creation.

          • Jalapeno

            Faith is going AGAINST the evidence.

            The evidence all points in one direction.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            It actually does not. There is no evidence of “evolution”.

          • Jalapeno

            You kind of have it backwards.

            We have lots of evidence for how things work..the similarities between animals, the quick response of microevolution, etc.

            We have one explanation that fits ALL of our evidence, and no evidence that conflicts with it.

          • HelenaConstantine

            That is just a bare-faced lie, a child whistling in the dark.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            Nope, you believe the lie.

        • Robert Veklotz

          It’s all about faith. You either have faith in God or faith in the Great Amoeba.

      • Amos Moses

        Which is zero ……………. we all have the exact same evidence ………. what it comes down to is …….. who is reading the evidence and with what in mind …… what worldview …. so it aint the evidence …….

        • Cady555

          Closing your eyes does not mean there is no evidence.

          Look up the Theory of Plate Tectonics and all the evidence supporting it, including the mid Atlantic Ridge, evidence of changes in magnetic north, matching plant and animal fossils and rock formations on either side of oceans. DNA evidence, including the presence or absence of mutations allow scientists to track exactly when species diverged.

          Read The Story of Earth by Hazen. Take a geology class.

          • Amos Moses

            Eyes do not have to be closed ………… the evidence is the exact same for every person …… how they view the world is how they will see the evidence ……….. if they do not see God in the world …….. then they will not see Him in the evidence ……….. so the ones with the eyes closed are the ones who refuse to acknowledge God ………. very simple ………..

        • TheKingOfRhye

          No evidence? Two words: Starlight problem.

          • Amos Moses

            Is it possible to start watching a movie in the middle and not understand that you entered into the middle …………….. things can be created with certain things already in motion ……. optical illusions are often not what they appear to be ………. again ……. it is not an issue of evidence ………… it is an issue of the observer of the evidence and their worldview ……… if you do not expect to see God and a Creator ………… then you are blind to Him and His effects …….. and you discount them …… A Priori …….. and your interpretation of what you are seeing is clouded ……………

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I could turn that around on you just as easily. If you expect to see evidence of God everywhere, you will. Your interpretation of what you are seeing is clouded.

          • Amos Moses

            Well, sure that is true …………… but here …… on a christian site ……. and in a christian conversation ……….. the presupposition is ……….. God exists ………. and it has been that way for most of the history of science and of most prominent scientists ………. so if you want to prove it to be otherwise ………….. then it is up to you to provide the experiment and the data and the “peer reviewed” information to prove your point …………… but i am sorry to tell you ……… ALL the evidence ……… including your very existence ………….. points to His existence ………. and not His absence ………… and the one denying the evidence ………. is you ………. so it is your worldview, your vision of things that is off kilter …………. and your observations are not trustworthy ……..

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Ah, yet another argument I’ve seen about a million times! We’re bringing back all the golden oldies around here lately, I see.

            I thought I’ve told you before, I don’t claim to know whether a god exists or not. I don’t know why you’re insisting that I “want to prove it to be otherwise”….

          • Amos Moses

            Then you cannot claim to know anything about science ………….. so end of discussion ………

          • TheKingOfRhye

            If I don’t claim to know whether or not a god exists, I can’t claim to know anything about science? That makes no sense.

            End of discussion? Fine…..boring conversation anyway. *shoots computer with blaster*

          • Amos Moses

            “If I don’t claim to know whether or not a god exists, I can’t claim to know anything about science? That makes no sense.”

            And that is why there is nothing to discuss ………. because it makes no sense …….. to you …….. because ……… A Priori ………. you want to eliminate evidence ………. so your observations are skewed ……… and your conclusions are not trustworthy …… (Re-integrates computer so that you can read this) ….

          • Amos Moses

            Mainstream science, despite all its claims of objectivity, and despite the fact it attempts to lay claim to the truth, is itself a religion. Science places itself on a pedestal and assures everyone it has dispassionately arrived at its conclusions. Meanwhile, however, it is full of assumptions, denials and limitations, and makes the serious mistake of presenting its theories as facts. The errors of mainstream science are gladly seized upon by technocrats, eager to use science and technology to further their own ambitions of control, and include forcing the vaccine, GMO, surveillance, manmade global warming, geoengineering, SMART and microchipping agendas onto an unsuspecting public.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “Vaccine and GMO agendas”? Are you kidding me? What’s the problem with vaccines? What, do they cause autism, is that it? Totally wrong, the study that said that was totally discredited….even if it wasn’t, I’d rather be autistic than die from polio or something. Maybe that’s just me, I don’t know.

          • Amos Moses

            Court Awards $969,474.91 for MMR Vaccine Causing Boy’s Autism …
            Jan 18, 2013 … Ryan Mojabi was awarded $969474.91 for both of those vaccine … only one vaccine and on vaccine ingredient,(the MMR, and thiomerosal)?

            Later the same month, the government suffered a second major defeat when young Emily Moller from Houston won compensation following vaccine-related brain injury that, once again, involved MMR and resulted in autism. The cases follow similar successful petitions in the Italian and US courts (including Hannah Poling, Bailey Banks, Misty Hyatt, Kienan Freeman, Valentino Bocca, and Julia Grimes) in which the governments conceded or the court ruled that vaccines had caused brain injury. In turn, this injury led to an ASD diagnosis. MMR vaccine was the common denominator in these cases.’

            National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program – HRSA
            Vaccines, like any medicines, can cause side effects, but most are very rare and very mild. … An individual files a petition with the U.S. Court of Federal Claims. 2
            Common substances found in vaccines include: (source – CDC)
            Aluminum gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.
            Antibiotics which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine. No vaccine produced in the United States contains penicillin.
            Egg protein is found in influenza and yellow fever vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.
            Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines, (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production. Most formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged.
            Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.
            Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I don’t know about the two cases you’re talking about…..but do TWO court cases (not medical studies, mind you) really prove much?

            As for the rest of that……so what? That’s basically what was said in the video that I gave a link to.

          • Amos Moses

            Most Vaccines Contain Cancer-Causing Ingredients, What More …

            Oct 22, 2014 … Have you SEEN the ingredient used for vaccines? And we should trust an industry which puts carcinogenic adjuvants into vaccines used to …

          • TheKingOfRhye

            www youtube com/watch?v=uwcRxssifo8

            (good video on the supposed ‘dangerous ingredients’ in vaccines…)

          • HelenaConstantine

            Aren’t you supposed to not bear false witness?

          • Amos Moses

            Not doing so ……………..

          • Amos Moses

            Aluminum is put into vaccines as an adjuvant to help them “work better” or to “enhance” them. So what is the concern about injecting aluminum into the blood stream?

            According to the FDA:

            “Aluminum may reach toxic levels with prolonged parenteral administration [this means injected into the body] if kidney function is impaired . . . Research indicates that patients with impaired kidney function, including premature neonates [babies], who received parenteral levels of aluminum at greater than 4 to 5 micrograms per kilogram of body weight per day, accumulate aluminum at levels associated with central nervous system and bone toxicity [for a tiny newborn, this toxic dose would be 10 to 20 micrograms, and for an adult it would be about 350 micrograms]. Tissue loading may occur at even lower rates of administration.” [Department of Health and Human Services, Food and Drug Administration, Document NDA 19-626/S-019, Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act for Dextrose Injections.]

          • Amos Moses

            So injecting amino acids into the body by way of vaccination is good, yes? Wrong.

            Vaccines are called antigens — “A toxin or other foreign substance that induces an immune response in the body, especially the production of antibodies.” Antigens are made from foreign proteins. These foreign proteins are produced from animals (like cows, monkey’s and chickens) and also humans (human cells from aborted fetuses.)
            Foreign proteins (in order to be beneficial to the body) need to first be digested in the GI tract. Protein is broken down into amino acids during the digestion process.
            “When we eat protein it is broken down into its constituent amino acids…if a foreign animal protein makes it into our bloodstream without having being broken down this can set up an autoimmune type response…By injecting things never meant to be in the body we are not only bypassing body defenses but wrongly activating other defenses.” — Dr. Robyn Crosford

          • Amos Moses

            Formalin is an aqueous, or watery, form of Formaldehyde.

            Formaldehyde is toxic and is known to cause cancer. The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) classifies formaldehyde as a human carcinogen [International Agency for Research on Cancer (June 2004). IARC Monographs on the Evaluation of Carcinogenic Risks to Humans Volume 88 (2006): Formaldehyde, 2-Butoxyethanol and 1-tert-Butoxypropan-2-ol. Retrieved June 10, 2011,

            In 2011, the National Toxicology Program, an interagency program of the Department of Health and Human Services, named formaldehyde as a known human carcinogen in its 12th Report on Carcinogens [National Toxicology Program (June 2011). Report on Carcinogens, Twelfth Edition. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, National Toxicology Program.

            According to the National Research Council:

            Fewer than 20% but perhaps more than 10% of the general population may be susceptible to formaldehyde allergies and may react acutely at any exposure level.

            Formaldehyde is oxidised to formic acid which leads to acidosis and nerve damage. Acidosis can be described as a condition in which the acidity of the body tissues and fluids is abnormally high. The liver and the kidneys may also be damaged.

          • Amos Moses

            Other known side effects from exposure to formaldehyde:

            Alters tissue proteins
            anaemia
            antibodies formation
            apathy
            blood in urine
            body aches
            cardiac impairment
            palpitations and arrhythmias
            central nervous system depression
            changes in higher cognitive functions
            chest pains and tightness
            colds
            coma
            constipation
            convulsions
            death
            destruction of red blood cells
            depression
            diarrhoea
            difficulty concentrating
            disorientation
            dizziness
            ear aches
            eczema
            emotional upsets
            fatigue
            foetal asphyxiation [SIDS, perhaps?]
            flu-like or cold like illness
            UTI
            gastritis
            gastrointestinal inflammation
            headaches
            hyperactivity
            hypomenstrual syndrome
            immune system sensitiser
            impaired (short) attention span
            inability to recall words and names
            inconsistent IQ profiles
            asthma
            irritability
            jaundice
            retarded speech pattern
            schizophrenic-type symptoms
            sensitivity to sound

          • hamfish

            Well done. Ctrl-C and Ctr-V. We’ll have you using 3 keys at a time in no time at all!

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I almost wanted to tell him about the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide…

          • Amos Moses

            So what ………………………… right ………….. nothing ……………….

          • Amos Moses

            Benzethonium Chloride (referred to as “BC”) is an anti-microbial agent used as a preservative in some vaccines. There has been no testing done on humans to find out information regarding the injection of BC into the blood stream. I have been searching for over a year with no luck in finding any such information. What has been documented about BC under the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) under section 11 is that it is toxic when inhaled or ingested and is also hazardous to human skin. Based on animal testing, it may cause mutations in genetic information and also be carcinogenic (cause cancer).

            The known side effects of ingesting BC are (according to it’s MSDS):

            Seizures
            Coma
            Respiratory depression
            Central Nervous System Depression
            Convulsions
            Coma
            Urinary system reaction

          • hamfish

            OH I do. God doesn’t exist. There you go.

          • HelenaConstantine

            You cannot assume the very thing that is at issue!

          • Amos Moses

            You are right ………….. but it is not an assumption …………. it is an assumption that God is not part of the creation …….. and a bad one at that …………

          • Terri Horn

            Just my studying the DNA strand proves a creator God. Who you are is based on your DNA so unless I had DNA from a monkey would be imossible to come from a monkey. The simplest cell has thousands of information more than the space shuttle and anything else. Funny you look at a painting, a plane, a building etc and do fo not see anyone who created the item yet the utmost complicated creation yet people say it was just by chance yet an earthworm is more complicated than a rocket engine. GOD has given us proof of his existence by the creation around us. Those who refuse to acknowledge this will be given a delution to believe the lie. Hopefully you will search and discover the truth. I will get my proof including names of scientists who have studied this. Hopefully you really want the truth or not so narrow minded you refuse to discover the truth yourself.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            We didn’t “come from a monkey,” we had a common ancestor. Did you know human and chimpanzee DNA is something like 98% the same?

          • HelenaConstantine

            “I had DNA from a monkey would be impossible to come from a monkey” But we do have DNA from monkeys,a s you put it. What you mean is that you know nothing about the matter and assume the evidence supports what you wish to believe, even specific evidence that the opposite of what you think and contradicts your own arguments. I’d tell you to goggle ERVs by I dob’t you be able to understand what you read.

        • HelenaConstantine

          What you mean is that you personally are ignorant of the evidence or else deny your own knowledge. This will impress no one else.

          If god made starlight in motion as you say, for the purpose of deceiving mankind, and will send him to hell if he believes the evidence god himself has presented…well why call that god? Wouldn’t that be more like the devil?

          • Amos Moses

            No ………. as has been said ………… we all have the EXACT same evidence ……….. where we differ is what that evidence means …………… and to say that God is not part of it ……… well ……. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE for that ……. especially when the very fact that you are even drawing a conclusion about the evidence …………… is EVIDENCE of God …………….

            so as you say …… “If god made starlight in motion as you say, for the purpose of deceiving mankind,” …………… No ………….. God made it that way ……….. those who do not believe in God ……… DECEIVE THEMSELVES by their denial of His existence …………

  • Amos Moses

    This is the last democrat i voted for …………… LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago ………..

    • Ya’akovah Bourges

      Glad YHWH opened your eyes

    • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

      I didn’t vote for him, the last Demonrat I voted for was Ralph Hall, 4th District of Texas, his party treated him like a red-headed step-child.

      • Amos Moses

        i hate it when that happens …………

  • Guest

    Jimmy Carter proved himself to be no Christian when he sided with Arab terrorists over Israel.

    • erschroedinger

      He did not such thing. You’re bearing false witness.

      • Guest

        Uh, where have you been?

        • erschroedinger

          Paying attention, unlike you.

          • Guest

            You’re completely unaware of all the evil Jimmy Carter has done and continues to do.

          • erschroedinger

            Yeah, sure, as I said, you’re bearing false witness.

          • Guest

            Yeah, sure, as I said, you have no clue what you’re talking about.

          • SkippyFlipjack

            No way! You found it on World Nut Daily. Who would have thought.

          • Guest

            That’s all you got? An ad hominem attack? *yawn*

          • SkippyFlipjack

            Ad hominem? It’s ad paperem. Nobody takes their sh!t seriously. You know that, right?

          • Guest

            Sure they do, but I gave you more than one source. There are plenty.

          • SkippyFlipjack

            That’s not a “source” it’s an opinion piece from some other bigot who, like you, is critical of the only decent man to be living as an ex-president.

          • Guest

            Oh wow, now everyone’s a bigot but you and Jimmy Carter, the antisemite! 🙂

          • SkippyFlipjack

            No, just the Christians who choose to ignore Christ’s message of love and vent their hate against gay people. If that doesn’t include you, it doesn’t include you.

          • hamfish

            Don’t baffle them with equations!!!!

          • freckles

            World Net Daily and Townhall? Both thoroughly discredited.

          • Guest

            By whom? George Soros? LOL

  • Russ Westbrook

    Carter has been an unbeliever (but religious) his whole life; this isn’t terribly newsworthy.

    • Cady555

      Carter says he has accepted christ. Where does the bible say hating gays is necessary to salvation?

      • hytre64

        There is a difference between loving people who are afflicted with Same-Sex-Attraction and approving homosexual activity. Neither of which says that Christians “hate gays”. Jesus came and died for their sins just as much as He died for my sins. That does not mean that He turns a blind eye to sin, much less approves of it.

      • Russ Westbrook

        The Scriptures call men to “repent and believe”. Otherwise, like Carter, you are described by the Scriptures when they state: “They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work”. -Titus 1:16

      • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

        You’re confused. We don’t hate homosexuals, we do hate the deviant behavior, but then we do hate the drunk, the thief, the liar, the corrupt, the “fill in the blank”. It is the sin that is hated, not the sinner. Some just wallow and revel in sin, and seek to rub it in others faces.

  • Ya’akovah Bourges

    Carter is just an old slime bucket for Satan.

  • hytre64

    Sad, that this “gentleman farmer”, who is one of the better Ex-Presidents, could be so deceived and un-learned about the Bible. I guess that his church is one of the more “liberal” ones that takes the Bible to be full of “inspirational stories”, but not the Inspired Word of God.

    • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

      Better ex-presidents??? He has been actively anti-America since he was removed from office. Brother Carter is a petty, mean-spirited little man.

  • Josey

    He’s not reading the same Bible that I have is all I know.

    • Cady555

      You’re not reading the bible you have. You are reading carefully selected soundbites. Carter is reading different carefully selected soundbites. Anyone can support anything with the bible, by paying attention to some verses and ignoring others. That is why there are 40,000 or so versions of christianity, each claiming to be the true one.

      People who have read the whole thing and paid attention are commonly called atheists.

      • hytre64

        Actually, most serious Christians read the whole bible, often in multiple translations. Our church challenges the people who go there to read through the whole bible at least once per year. If you are involved in any part of the ministry (Praise & Worship Team, Sunday School, Nursery, etc.) they challenge you to read it through 3-4 times per year, and if you are an Elder or a Minister, to read it through at least once per month.

        Any true doctrine will be found in at least two different places in the bible (often more), so that people can be assured that it is not being taken out of context. (For example, but Dt 19:15 and 2 Cor 13:1 show that out of the mouths of 2 or 3 witnesses, the truth will be established – and not to take the word of a single witness).

        • Cady555

          It is estimated that it takes 72 to 80 hours to read through the bible. Elders and ministers spend 2 weeks a month just reading the bible? Every month, month after month? I don’t buy it.

          • hytre64

            I don’t care if you buy it or not. How Many hours per week does the average person waste turning off their brain an turning on the TV? I know that I spend at least 4 hours per day commuting to and from work. This is prime time for me to be listening to the Word.

            Reading some Bible when I get up in the morning sets me up for a good day. Some reading Bible before I go to sleep at night puts my spirit at rest for the night.

            How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, Nor stand in the path of sinners, Nor sit in the seat of scoffers! But his delight is in the law of the Lord, And in His law he meditates day and night. He will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, Which yields its fruit in its season And its leaf does not wither; And in whatever he does, he prospers.” – Psa 1:1-3

          • Michael Santore

            Obviously, you haven’t read the whole Bible, either, or you wouldn’t have said such a foolish thing: “it is estimated”: by who? where are your facts?

          • Steve

            Me either. But devout muslims spend years memorizing the Quran.

        • Michael Santore

          the Queen James “Bible” is no Bible.

          • Bill_Clement

            The bible is just another mythology. No more valid than any other.

          • Michael Santore

            what do you know about it? Obviously, you haven’t even read it. Wilfull ignorance is no excuse on Judgment Day.

          • hamfish

            Terminator 2? Loved it. Great film!

          • hamfish

            Thank you. I have a copy that I keep on my bookshelf beside my copy of the Qu’ran. They don’t fight.

      • Josey

        I read the Bible because I hunger to know the Lord Jesus Christ and follow His instructions for my life with the help of His Spirit, I believe it as written and take it by faith from Genesis through Revelation. I don’t select soundbites, I am open to the One in whom I am accountable to and so are you whether you accept Him as God of not, that is the truth! An atheist could not understand God as written in His word, the bible, no matter how many times they try and read the Bible, all are non believers until God reveals Himself to them and they make a conscience choice to accept His way or not and it is only in accepting Jesus Christ in faith and repenting of rebellion that one is born again and the blinders fall off.

        • Cady555

          Yep, the part where god told the soldiers to kill men, women and little boys but keep the little girls for themselves sends waves of joy through my heart.

        • Steve

          I really dislike this “faith is a feeling that you will never understand until you feel it yourself” argument.

          It’s irrefutable. I can’t tell you how you should feel and you can’t tell me either. The topic is now moot.

      • Michael Santore

        not quite, there are more ex- Atheists after they’ve read the Bible, than not. And you should give a try instead of just trolling around trying to cause trouble.

        • Bill_Clement

          I am an ex-catholic/xtian after reading the bible. Most xtians are hypocrites, anyway, so no big loss.

          • http://batman-news.com JeffSkeeve

            “After reading the Bible”…. yeah, I bet. You read the Bible and concluded that it was mythology?
            Here’s what really happened:
            You concluded that the Bible was mythology and then you read it. Who’s the real hypocrite?
            (You probably never actually read it, too)

          • Michael Santore

            you can’t even say CHRISTIAN, let alone ever were one. And Roman Catholics aren’t either.
            “But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.”- Matt 10:33

      • http://batman-news.com JeffSkeeve

        “People who have read the whole thing and paid attention are commonly called atheists”
        Really? I have a different name for them: “Liars”
        They have neither read the whole thing, nor have they paid attention. They are intellectually lazy because they neither want God, nor do they want to be accountable to Him. Atheists would have us all believe that they are the “enlightened ones” – discarding the dark-age religion of the past for the new intellectual future of reasoning. Ironically, it has nothing to do with actual reasoning. In fact, our very ability to reason is unexplained unless the Bible is true. The Bible uses another word: “Fool”. One day, many will regret that they didn’t pay attention to it. It’s not too late for you though.

      • Michael Santore

        keep believing that so you can continue to deny it. That’s a cop out. The Bible CAN be understood by “rightly dividing the word of truth”, e.g: comparing scripture with scripture and considering, as a whole, what the Bible teaches.

  • Charles

    “Would Jesus approve [of] gay marriage?” host Marc Lamont Hill asked.
    “I believe Jesus would,” Carter replied. “I don’t have any verse in Scripture. I believe Jesus would approve gay marriage, but that’s just my own personal belief”.

    Poison, pure poison. At least he admits there’s not Scripture justifying his position. But really, that’s even worse, because he know’s there isn’t any Scripture backing up his “Personal” belief.

    • hamfish

      Someone’s in the clo—-set……..

      • TheKingOfRhye

        I think there are a lot of closets around here, if you catch my drift.

      • Charles

        You think Jimmy Carters in the Closet?

  • axelbeingcivil

    How can someone be an “adherent” of evolution? It’s not a religion; it’s a core part of modern biology. You don’t adhere to that, you simply acknowledge it. It’s like calling someone an adherent of physics or mathematics or hydrodynamics.

    • Nidalap

      It’s a cute theory…

      • axelbeingcivil

        It’s one of the most robust theories in science.

        • Nidalap

          ::Nods:: Oh sure! Like man-made Global Warming-oops-Climate Change-oops-Climate Disruption! (^_^)

          • axelbeingcivil

            Are you actually familiar with either, or just being sarcastic for giggles?

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        “Cute” in the sense that it is a religion with no basis in fact, but plenty of basis in eugenics.

        • axelbeingcivil

          No basis in, say, comparative genomics? Because I’ve been studying that for a while now and my entire field wouldn’t be possible if evolution were false. The discovery of archaea (and their “intermediate” features between bacteria and eukarya) would be meaningless if evolution were false. Woese’s 16s/18s rRNA tree of life matching trees built by fossil studies, morphological studies, and other comparative genetic studies would make no sense. Mitochondrial DNA being similar to bacterial DNA, in structure, codon usage, compression, etc., would make no sense.

          Evolution is exceptionally well-supported. Eugenics is bunk.

  • Daniel Allen

    How about this one Jimmy ?

    Romans 1:26–27

    26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    You Don’t see any verse in Scripture ? I think that is because you don’t want to know.You say that you are a Christian but embrace that which is of your father , the devil. You just can’t have it both ways. Evolution is a Belief system. It’s a religion. It won’t be long before you have to face the living God. Maybe you can straighten him out on a few things.

    • Cady555

      If you read that passage in context, gossip and back biting are the same.

      • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

        Your comment is a non-sequitur.

  • 4True

    I imagine he once was a true Christian but he forgot how.

  • George

    ” any love affair if it was honest and sincere and was not damaging to anyone else” no, its not really damaging to anyone else, but it only offends God and violates his laws….

    • hytre64

      …And it damages those who are involved IN the relationship, by alienating them from God.

  • George

    carter really does get confused now at his old age, he obviously reads the satanic bible…

  • daledor

    Jimmy has always had some views that go beyond the text of scripture. I will stick with what God says. As for character, he is a good mason and is linked to the New World Order. Take note that good people are part of the NWO as well as some of the most evil. Satan deceives and if we go beyond the Bible we may not lose salvation by rejecting Jesus but if we ignorantly are deceived we are not accountable. If we willingly deceive ourselves or are deceived willingly then that is an issue God will take up with the person when they leave this earth. Remember there are many that say LORD LORD who will not go to Heaven because they followed religion and did not submit to Jesus and willingly want Him as Savior. It it like this — if a person was around, worked around, or met a famous person like John Wayne then John may or may not even remember their name or face. If a person became close to John it goes from acquaintance to friend. True salvation from Jesus is different from acquaintance – it is one thing to know of, like, be a fan of Jesus and for Him to know you. Only those who repent of sin, accept Jesus as Savior, desire Him to be Lord and Friend, receive what Jesus purchased for them. Then their names are on God’s list of Friends, written into the Book of Life. It is not their manipulating Jesus to get saved but of submitting to Jesus as God and Lord and Savior. It is not a matter of being ‘good enough’, God’s stamp of approval is when you accept Jesus as Savior — not of your works so you can not boast. Only the perfect,sinless Son of God COULD pay the price ONE TIME for our sins. When we do things God’s way, accepting forgiveness through Jesus — instantly you are part of the Family of God through Jesus the Christ.. If Jimmy is not trying to earn his way to Heaven and was truly saved by Jesus and has not kicked the Holy Spirit out of his life (the Holy Spirit seals our salvation in Jesus and the only unforgivable sin is that of rejecting the Holy Spirit – few do this) then Jimmy is a Christian. One can’t serve this world’s fallen systems (like the New World Order) and place those things above God – He will have no other gods before Him — dangerous grounds. As far as deceit — we all have to work on not believing what is not true, we do live in a fallen world…. Any man, system, idol, object of focus, woman or man, hero, etc that takes place above God is an Idol and false god. This is why we are to trust in the Lord Jesus with all of our heart/mind-will-emotions and not lean on our own understanding so that He/God can direct our paths and set us free and on the path to victory.

  • Simon Timothy

    What a confused person!

  • Reason2012

    If fish to mankind, molecules to man (whatever you want to call it) evolution was science, one wouldn’t need to “believe in it” – that alone points out how anti-science it is.

    Objects drop to the ground: observable, repeatable, no belief required.
    Diseases spread: observable, repeatable, no belief required.
    Matter affects matter: observable, repeatable, no belief required.
    No matter how many generations go by in the entire existence of the human race, ALL populations of: fish remain fish, reptiles remain reptiles, bacteria remains bacteria, birds remain birds, flies remain flies, and so on for all animals: observable, repeatable, no belief required.

    But the mythology that populations of fish could ‘evolve’ over generations eventually into animals we’d clearly no longer consider fish? anti-science belief, nothing more.

    And given how hateful and rabid fish to mankind evolutionists get, smearing the reputations of scientists, attacking their funding and even getting them fired, then of course when asked most scientists are going to pledge their support for fish to mankind evolutionism, all so they can go back to doing actual science in peace.

    Behold the anti-science agenda of fish to mankind evolutionists.

    • axelbeingcivil

      Diseases are also caused by microscopic organisms. Somehow, people didn’t catch onto that one until a handful of centuries ago. The Earth orbits the Sun and that was believed widely until the 1700s. The universe is composed of atoms. Again, not exactly widely known or believed until recently (even if the idea was first proposed by the Greeks).

      Something doesn’t need to be intuitive or widely accepted to be scientific. Quite often, the opposite has been true throughout history.

      There’s no belief required in evolution. You can study the genetics of living organisms to your heart’s content, observe the changes in their structure, and do comparative studies to see how small mutations adding up can transform one gene into another or alter their expression patterns or duplicate them or silence them or delete them. Then you can pick any gene you care to name, really, and do studies of distance to see how “far apart” they are. Seemingly inevitably, you will find species that have been the most separated by time and space will be the ones furthest apart.

      None of these things make sense unless populations can evolve and, when you study organisms comparatively, you will see how small changes in gene structure and regulation can have huge effects. How something that resembles a shrew might, with a great deal of time, leave descendants who look like an elephant or whale; the proof written in their genes and their bones and their bodies.

      • Reason2012

        You’re missing the point: there’s no belief required that diseases spread: it’s observable, repeatable, testable. That’s science.

        Populations of fish ‘evolving’ over generations eventually into living things we’d clearly no longer consider fish? This contradicts observable, testable, verifiable scientific fact and also requires belief.

        To instead give reasons to throw out what IS science, which is what fish to mankind evolutionists do, and give reasons to believe in their fish to mankind mythology instead is as anti-science as one can get.

        • axelbeingcivil

          Nothing about evolution contradicts facts. It, indeed, fits them exceptionally. Otherwise, it would not have survived as a theory. It’s been tested rigorously for over a century and not been found wanting.

          Every postulate of evolution can be tested: Mutation, inheritance, selection, etc. These are all repeatable, testable phenomena. They have been tested extensively.

          We can, likewise, test forensic phenomena; evidence left by events that are individually non-repeating. This is one of the basic functions of science and engineering: To extrapolate from principles to the world. Principles of geology, for example, let us predict where to find, say, mineral or oil deposits; the same principles that would demand us consider the Earth truly ancient indeed; the same principles that would require us to acknowledge fossil layering.

          The same is true in biology. Animal models are meaningless when not considered through the eyes of evolution. The adaptation that we fight in bacteria is something we wield in the fight against world hunger. The comparative genetic work that yields clues and insights to our very beings has no value if we cannot make predictions (routinely proven correct) based on evolutionary postulates.

          You can’t openly enjoy the benefits reaped by thorough application of evolutionary theory and simultaneously deny its conclusions.

        • Edward MacGuire

          You keep repeating this nonsense over and over but it is still nonsense. Your knowledge of biology in particular and science in general is deplorable. I suggest you read some science before writing about it.

      • Amos Moses

        “Diseases are also caused by microscopic organisms. Somehow, people didn’t catch onto that one until a handful of centuries ago.”

        Actually, the bible and its details of aseptic technique ………….. given to the Hebrews and written in scripture ……….. shows that they did understand this ……. THOUSANDS of years ago …………. and that it was given to them by the Creator ……….. who knew what it was created to be ……..

        • axelbeingcivil

          You wanna cite that for me?

          • Amos Moses

            Quarentine for contagious diseases.
            Isolation for the leper.
            OT=Lev. 13; Num. 5:2-3

            Cleansing of the leper.
            OT=Lev. 14:1-32; Deut. 24:8

            Disinfecting of houses after contagious diseases.
            OT=Lev. 14:33,57

            Laws of cleanliness after elimination.
            OT=Deut. 23:13-14

            Unclean discharges from the body.
            OT=Lev.15:1-15; Num. 5:2-3

            Cleansing of the woman after childbirth.
            OT=Lev. 12:1-8
            NT=Luke 2:22

            Laws concerning woman during menstration.
            OT=Lev. 15:19-33

            Sexual intercourse during menstration.
            OT=Lev. 15:24; 18:19; 20:18; Ez. 18:6; 22:10

            Copulation emissions.
            OT=Lev. 15:16-18

            All male children born in Israel to be circumcized on the eighth day after birth.
            OT=Gen. 17:10-14; 21:4; Ex. 12:48; Lev. 12:3
            NT=Luke 1:59; 2:21; John 7:22-24; Acts 7:8

            Contact with dead or unclean things.
            OT=Lev. 5:2; 11:24-40; 21:1-4,11; Num. 5:2; 9:6,10; 19:11-22; 31:19

            Enbalming and burial at death, the custom in Israel.
            OT=Gen. 23; 25:9-10; 35:29; 49:29-32; 50; Deut. 10:6; 21:23; Judges 8:32; I Kings 11:43; 13:31; 14:13; II Kings 13:20; Job 27:15
            NT=Matt. 8:21; 27:57-60; Mark 15:46; 16:1; Luke 23:50-56; John 19:38-42; Acts 2:29; 5:6,10

          • axelbeingcivil

            None of these indicate knowledge of microorganisms. Many quite the opposite; being sprinkled with bird blood (Lev 14) is more likely to give you a disease than cure it, precisely due to the microorganisms their blood.

          • Amos Moses

            I said aseptic technique …………… follow the posting …………. if you cannot make the connection between asepsis and micro-organisms then you should complete your education before making silly statements ……….. BTW, pretty much EVERY significant discovery of pathogens and micro-organisms ….. and their control ………… were discovered by CHRISTIANS ……. Lister ……… Christian ………. Pastuer …….. Christian ………

            Do you need a fuller list ……………..

            Asepsis – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            Asepsis is the state of being free from disease-causing contaminants or, preventing contact with microorganisms. The term asepsis often refers to those practices …

            Asepsis | definition of asepsis by Medical dictionary

            2. the absence of viable pathogenic organisms; see also aseptic technique. adj., adj asep´tic.(See accompanying table.) medical asepsis the use of practices …

          • axelbeingcivil

            Follow the post. There’s nothing aseptic about coating someone with animal blood; quite the opposite. There’s no indication they knew anything beyond what their senses told them.

    • Cady555

      Amphibians, the transition between fish and reptiles, have features of both.

      Google lungfish and the snakehead fish. These fish can live outside of water for hours or days and travel over land between ponds.

      The fossil record clearly documents theb transition from land animal to whale, and the hypopotmus is part way on the same path.

      Virus DNA can become imbedded in animal DNA. These insertions are random and harmless but if they occur in eggs or sperm get passed on to offspring.

      Animals with a common ancestor will have the same harmless DNA errors in the exact same locations. One can trace when animals branched off by tracing the presence or absence of these various insertions.

      The evidence for evolution crosses multiple scientific disciplines.

      • Reason2012

        Giving reasons you BELIEVE amphibians are transitions between fish and reptiles does not make it so, and certainly does not make it science.

        Claiming lungfish used to be fish without lungs and evolved from them is again another belief. Please show populations of fish that never had lungs ‘evolving’ lungs to breath air and legs to start walking on land to use their new lungs. Not reasons you BELIEVE it.

        Giving beliefs ABOUT dna that does not happen does not make dna ‘evidence’ of it either.

        No, making up beliefs about things in different disciplines does not then make those beliefs science.

        So you admit you can only give reasons to believe in it.
        End of story.
        Science is about things that happen, not made up things people can only give you reasons to believe in.

        • Cady555

          Lungfish are fish. They are fish with the ability to breath air for limited periods and travel short distances on land.

          I provided a small sampling of the evidence. Those who value truth will seek out and consider all the evidence.

          • Amos Moses

            It is evidence ………… but the evidence you present is falsely interpreted …… so not science ………… just belief ………….

    • Jalapeno

      ” one wouldn’t need to “believe in it””

      If people kept trying to say that our knowledge about how disease spreads wasn’t true, then we would eventually start saying that we “believe in germ theory” also. Not really much of an argument.

      “anti-science belief, nothing more”

      Seems like more of a misunderstanding of how animal classification works.

      • Reason2012

        // If people kept trying to say that our knowledge about how disease spreads wasn’t true .. //

        Except you ignore that it’s observable, repeatable, verifiable that diseases spread.

        // .. then we would eventually start saying that we “believe in germ theory” also. //

        Except we DO observe diseases spread – no belief required. Germ theory is the theory about how it might be happening after the fact that it’s observable that it DOES happen.

        Who needs animal classification?
        Fish to mankind evolutionists claim that populations of fish can ‘evolve’ over generations eventually into amphibians (animals we’d clearly no longer consider fish). So since they claim this is science, SHOW the observation by the human race ever of populations of fish evolving over generations eventually into animals we’d clearly no longer consider fish.

        Science shows us this does not happen – not for fish and not for any other animals – it’s that simple.

        • Jalapeno

          We DO observe the facts that lead directly to the evolution explanation, just the same as we observe the facts that lead to germ theory.

          ” So since they claim this is science, SHOW the observation by the human race ever of populations of fish evolving over generations eventually into animals we’d clearly no longer consider fish.”

          That takes a lot of time. You’re misinformed.

          • Reason2012

            No, we observe diseases spreading- so now we come up with theory as to HOW they spread.

            We do NOT observe populations of fish ‘evolving’ over generations eventually into animals we’d clearly no longer consider fish – so to come up with a theory about HOW it happens when it doesn’t is a huge difference.

            We just observe reasons they believe in it, then dishonestly claim “we observe the ‘facts’ that lead directly to the evolution explanation”.

            // That takes a lot of time. //

            Exactly my point: fish to mankind evolutionism is a belief. which you just unwittingly admitted.

            Science is not what you imply: presenting a belief that does not happen, that science shows does not happen, then in so many words “well my belief takes too long that’s why science shows it does not happen – so ignore repeatable, testable, verifiable scientific fact that it doesn’t not happen, take my word for it that it DOES, call my reasons to believe in it “facts”, and call my anti-science mythology science anyway”.

            Behold the anti-science of fish to mankind evolutionism.

            What do you have against the observable, repeatable, testable fact that no matter how many generations go by, ALL populations of: fish remain fish, reptiles remain reptiles, amphibians remain amphibians, birds remain birds, bacteria remains bacteria and so on for all animals?

            Fish to mankind evolution is anti-science. It’s that simple.

          • Jalapeno

            “We do NOT observe populations of fish ‘evolving’ over generations eventually into animals we’d clearly no longer consider fish”

            No..other things are observed, like how different animals are built and how bacteria and other fast-evolving creatures respond to different situations.

            ” fish to mankind evolutionism is a belief”

            No..it’s just science.

            You need to think about what we would expect to happen if evolution was true. Consider it a hypothetical situation if it helps you feel better.

            We know how slow it is, we know what actually causes water animals to eventually leave the water and grow legs.

            So..would we actually expect to see fish grow legs during our short time on this planet?

      • Bob Johnson

        A ten year old Doonesbury cartoon, still true
        http://twistedbacteria.blogspot dot com/2010/04/hope-hes-only-sunday-creationist-by-g.html

        replace “dot ” with “.”

  • Reason2012

    Just some of proof the Earth is not nearly as old as fish to man evolutionists need to believe it is:
    #1 Very Little Sediment on the Seafloor
    #2 Bent Rock Layers
    #3 Soft Tissue in Fossils
    #4 Faint Sun Paradox
    #5 Rapidly Decaying Magnetic Field
    #6 Helium in Radioactive Rocks
    #7 Carbon-14 in Fossils, Coal, and Diamonds
    #8 Short-Lived Comets
    #9 Very Little Salt in the Sea
    #10 DNA in “Ancient” Bacteria
    1) Net gain of 19 billion tons of sediment per year. At this rate, 1,300 feet of sediment would only need a few million years, not billions of years.
    2) Rock doesn’t bend, it cracks and breaks. Yet rock layers of the same thickness, thousands of feet thick, that evolutionists claim each layer took millions of years to be deposited are BENT, not cracked or broken.
    3) It’s scientific fact that red blood cells cannot survive more than a few thousand years. Yet they find them in bones mistakenly claimed to be tens of millions of years old, proving those bones are merely thousands of years old.
    4) The sun is getting hotter, meaning it was much cooler in the past, too cool at the ages evolutionists claim for life to have been possible on earth.
    5) The strength of the magnetic field has been decaying overall – the earliest records are only 1820’s or so. As some put it “Such a rapid decay could not have been going on continuously for millions of years, because the field would have to have been impossibly strong in the past in order for it to still exist today.” This alone puts the age of the earth at best to be 20,000 years.
    6) Helium defuses so rapidly there would be no helium after, at most, 100,000 years, more so in hot areas where it defuses even faster. The deepest and therefore the hottest zircons (387 degrees F) contained far more helium than expected. All measurements are in agreement that all the helium should have leaked out long before now in the claimed age of the universe.
    7) The Earth was not supposedly formed when the imagined big bang happened. After a few hundred thousands of years, with a half life of 5,730 years, there should be none left, yet it’s found in abundance in “ancient” fossils.
    8) Comets burn up merely being anywhere near a sun, not just entering in an atmosphere. Scientists know comets cannot last millions of years, so they invent “oort clouds” as one “rescue device” where these imagined clouds make new comets.
    9) Again an imagined “the land became sea and vice versa” as a rescue-device, realizing the salt accumulation in the oceans would mean we could now walk across the oceans because the salt would be so thick.
    10) DNA breaks down quickly even in ideal conditions. Even evolutionists agree it should not last more than a million years. Yet we find it in bacteria dated at 250 MILLION years. (A false dating of at LEAST 250 times the true date).
    What’s so interesting is every single time evidence refutes evolutionists beliefs about the age of the universe, they make it clear they have no intentions of ever abandoning their made up claims of the age of the universe as proven by them never even being willing to consider if they are wrong, but instead assume the evidence must be wrong and hence they fabricate rescue devices over and over and over again – anti-science to the core.

    Christians need to realize that science is NO problem when believing God did what He said He did – the problem is those who reject God malign science instead.

    • axelbeingcivil

      I’d be happy to answer all these claims, but I’d like a link on the source for that “ancient DNA in bacteria” thing. I’m guessing it’s someone using uranium or rubidium-strontium dating incorrectly but it’d be fascinating to read just the same.

    • John N

      >’ Net gain of 19 billion tons of sediment per year. At this rate, 1,300 feet of sediment would only need a few million years, not billions of years.’

      Only a few million? So you just debunked your own creation story here? Talking about shooting in your own feet!

      • Reason2012

        So notice how you ignore what refutes your claims to attack belief in God instead – which shows what the motivation is for those pushing this atheistic agenda.

        Secondly, God created the Universe and the Earth – and there was the catastrophe of the world-wide flood that they claim never happened.

        Not to mention you do realize God created some things in mature form, like trees and human beings Adam and Eve.

        Belief in God has nothing to do with the fact that what atheists dogmatically push off as science is shown to be false. Attack belief in God if you wish -but it only shows everyone else what the real motivation for this anti-science billions of years dogma is really about.

        • John N

          Oh, I do notice that you now realize you indeed shot your own foot.

          I also notice that none of your claims here actually support any form of divine creation. So even if they were correct – and they are not – the burden of proof for your god is still on you.

          And if you think you can show science to be false, then please do so. Can’t wait to see your evidence.

    • axelbeingcivil

      You’ve refused to give me sources, but the list of your examples seem copy-pasted from AIG, so I guess I’ll just do the best I can.

      1. There is an astonishing amount of simplification in this statement. The thickness of ocean sediments vary a great deal. In the mid-Atlantic Ridge, for example, where new crust is forming, there is effectively zero sediment, while there’s about 150 million years worth at the continental margins.

      Secondly, sediment doesn’t all stay on the ocean floor (at least not in the state it arrives in). A large portion of it is consumed by subduction movements. Some of it will be lifted by continental plate movements to become a part of the continent itself, while a great deal of calcium or biomass sediment is simply consumed and/or dissolves back into the ocean.

      Third, sediment flows are not a consistent flow. Tectonics must be considered (specifically, the Wilson cycle). Ocean basins form, spread, and close again, causing the sediments within to be piled up again. There are huge portions of the western coast of North America that can actually be accurately connected to this process.

      This is a massively complex system. It cannot just be simplified as “sediment in, sediment out”… Most of the time, anyway.

      2. Rocks CAN bend when sufficient stress is applied for sufficient amounts of time, especially sedimentary rocks. Different rocks can endure different amounts of stress before fracturing – ductile rocks far more than brittle rocks, as the name implies.

      If you want an intuitive understanding of how this works, consider a bar of steel stretched across platform so that it’s balanced in the middle, and a large pair of mechanical arms that will come down on either side, applying a great deal of pressure to each end of the bar.

      If the mechanical arms come down slowly, the steel will bend. By the end, it will assume the shape of the platform. If the bars come down fast, however, the steel will become thinned along the points of the bend and potentially even simply snap. The more brittle the steel, the more slowly and gently the pressure needs to be applied to make it bend, though, if it is exceptionally brittle, the amount of time needed will be high indeed.

      This is because the individual molecular or even atomic components of the material can shift; breaking and forming new bonds if possible. If only a few bonds are broken at a time, the others allow it to form new ones swiftly enough that a new shape can be gradually assumed. Break enough of them quickly enough and the material separates irreparably; forming new local bonds on each half.

      Rocks are quite brittle compared to metal, so they take either a great deal of heat or a very prolonged exposure to pressure to bend, but every law of physics tells us that they can bend.

      3. No red blood cells were ever found inside dinosaur bones. What were found, however, were residues from them; iron nanoparticles in the form of heme units (a cofactor of hemoglobin) and bits of membrane. These, in turn, appeared to be associated with the remains of collagen.

      This is pretty fascinating, since it defies common expectation. How could something so ancient stay preserved for so long?

      There are two possible answers. One is that it’s a result of bacterial invasion, which is plausible for some reasons, not plausible for others. The other, however, was demonstrated by the same woman (and her team) who uncovered the soft tissue in the first place: Iron radicals. Iron radicals released from dying red blood cells can act as a powerful preservative. Her team demonstrated that blood – in the absence of some consuming organism – can actually preserve itself and other tissues by forcing proteins and membranes to crosslink in a manner similar to formaldehyde.

      (There was actually an experimental test involving an ostrich leg soaked in blood and even after two years at room temperature, it was still intact and recognizable by the end.)

      This offers a plausible explanation for why the fossil tissue survived so long as it did: It effectively acted as its own preservative.

      I’m going to break this off here and do the next ones in a new post; don’t want to lose this if my power blinks or something.

      • Reason2012

        1. Need only point out the places where there is the most sediment – there’d be far more at the places where the most sediment shows up if the Earth was “billions” of years old

        2. No, rock does not bend, it breaks. Saying “rock bends” is just yet another rescue device, dismissing facts so that they can be ignored and the “billions of years” mantra continues to be promoted when it’s anti-science.

        3. Red blood cells AND soft tissue. Simple google search even secular sites point out red blood cells and soft tissue were found.

        And what do evolutionists do? Another rescue device, in so many words “oh looks like red blood cells and soft tissue can survive 100 MILLION years after all”, or just flat out deny there were any red blood cells.

        • axelbeingcivil

          1. Are you seriously just replying that sedimentation rates are constant and ignoring information about removal mechanisms?

          2. Dismissing a physical principle as a “rescue device” isn’t a refutation. There’s nothing that says rocks cannot bend and ample physical evidence that suggests they do.

          If you want to see a rock bend for yourself, look up itacolumbite. It’s a form of sandstone with far looser nodules than most. It’s downright rubbery.

          3. Websites aren’t papers, friend. Red blood cell residues were found, but not living cells.

          Again, I don’t get how discovering something new, generating a hypothesis, and testing it to find that it’s plausible is a “rescue device”. This is science; accepting and studying new information is a part of the process.

    • axelbeingcivil

      4. The Sun is indeed getting hotter and the Earth was indeed cooler in the past. The change in temperature, however, is more complex (and not as drastic) as you might’ve been lead to believe.

      Since the origin of life, the Sun’s luminosity has increased by ~25%, which might sound like a lot. However, even in the absence of any feedback or regulating effects, that only translates to about a 7% change of surface temperature. That’s a significant difference, but it’s the same difference between tropical and arctic climes today. Hardly fun, but definitely survivable.

      There are feedback systems, though, and other features which can alter that, among them albedo (how much light is reflected without heating), greenhouse effects, etc., which require far more thorough work to understand than I am willing or capable of going into here.

      All evidence thus far points to an atmosphere of early earth rich in carbon dioxide, methane, and ammonia, which would have at least partially compensated for a weak, young Sun, giving early life a chance to develop and survive.

      Significantly later into Earth’s development, photosynthetic organisms harshly reduced this carbon blanket, and there is evidence of near-global glaciation in the Precambrian, but appears life was capable of surviving this, just as it has done in the high arctic.

      After that, Earth’s climate appears to have fluctuated quite extensively, in periods of deep glaciation and complete disappearance of polar ice. Life has survived all of these.

      5. The magnetic field of Earth is indeed decaying and will – potentially in the quite near future – disappear, but only temporarily. Earth’s magnetic field inverts itself every so often, something which we can see evidence for in the rocks themselves.

      When volcanic rocks are forming, you can see magnetic orientation; features where components of the rock align themselves with Earth’s magnetic field. These features are directional.

      If you sample rocks running between the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and the coastlines on opposite sides, you can see patterns in recent rock that are consistent with the Earth’s current magnetic field. Yet if you go back far enough, you reach a point where the direction suddenly inverts. Then carry on and it flips again. Back and forth in an exactly mirrored image from the Ridge to its opposite coastlines.

      These inversions are so regular that they almost act as a clock; one that suggests the decay we’re seeing is a natural part of this inversion process.

      6. This claim comes exclusively from a paper by Humphreys et al., back in 2003. It is one of the sloppiest papers you will ever read if you are a scientist. Among other things:

      -The team claimed to have collected zircons and biotites from 750 and 1,490 meters of depth. At those depths in that region, you don’t get zircons or biotites; you get gneiss.
      -There are a number of math errors in things as basic as the fraction of helium retained.
      -The team improperly totaled their data; even their own claims would show that the 750 meter “zircons” contain helium far, far in excess of what could possibly be released by 1.5 billion years of radioactive decay.
      -They didn’t account for the limits of their measuring tools.

      And this is even before you get into suggestions of deliberate data-tweaking, for which there is evidence as well.

      Humphreys and his team sampled rocks from the Fenton Hill site, a region that’s been fractured, brecciated (reformed after being broken up), and intruded upon by hydrothermal veins. Excess helium could have easily been released into and contaminated the rocks. It makes them a bit useless for study.

      (This is a part of the reason why zircons used to determine the age of the solar system are collected from space, not from Earth: Our geological history is tricky.)

      If Humphreys and his team are correct, too, this would mean that a billion years of radioactive decay would have had to have happened in a week. Earth would’ve been melted and cast to the stellar winds if true. This is noted in the paper and not actually explained.

      In short, there’s so many, many things wrong with this paper. It is evidence of nothing.

      Two down, one more post to go and I’ll wrap this up.

      • Reason2012

        4. Looking at the data of how the temperature of the sun changes it proves it would have been too cool for life to be possible. Ignoring this with stories about how life was possible anyway is not a refutation.

        5. Looking at the data of how the magnetic field has changed, “Such a rapid decay could not have been going on continuously for millions of years, because the field would have to have been impossibly strong in the past in order for it to still exist today.” This alone puts the age of the earth at best to be 20,000 years. To instead make up stories about how gravity will dissapear but then reappear and then invert itself is again more anti-science storytelling.

        Helium defuses so rapidly there would be no helium after, at most, 100,000 years, more so in hot areas where it defuses even faster. The deepest and therefore the hottest zircons (387 degrees F) contained far more helium than expected. All measurements are in agreement that all the helium should have leaked out long before now in the claimed age of the universe.

        6. No, it doesn’t come exclusively from Humphreys – although how typcial to attack what else he has done to try discrediting what he pointed out. Here are his many references:

        R. V. Gentry, G. L. Glish, and E. H. McBay, “Differential Helium Retention in Zircons: Implications for Nuclear Waste Containment,” Geophysical Research Letters 9, no. 10 (1982): 1129–1130.
        S. W. Reiners, K. A. Farley, and H. J. Hicks, “He Diffusion and (U-Th)/He Thermochronometry of Zircon: Initial Results from Fish Canyon Tuff and Gold Butte, Nevada,” Tectonophysics 349, no. 1–4 (2002): 297–308;
        D. Russell Humphreys, et al., “Helium Diffusion Rates Support Accelerated Nuclear Decay,” in Proceedings of the Fifth International Conference on Creationism, R. L. Ivey, Jr. (Pittsburgh, PA: Creation Science Fellowship, 2003), ed., pp. 175–196;
        D. Russell Humphreys, “Young Helium Diffusion Age of Zircons Supports Accelerated Nuclear Decay,” in Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth: Results of a Young-Earth Creationist Research Initiative, L. Vardiman, A.A. Snelling and E. F. Chaffin, eds. (El Cajon, CA: Institute for Creation Research, and Chino Valley, AZ: Creation Research Society, 2005), pp. 25–100.
        Humphreys et al., 2003;
        Humphreys, 2005.
        Andrew A. Snelling, “Radiometric dating: Back to Basics,” Answers 4, no. 3 (July–Sept. 2009): 72–75;
        Andrew A. Snelling, “Radiometric Dating: Problems With the Assumptions,” Answers 4, no. 4 (Oct.–Dec. 2009): 70–73.
        G. E. Hutchinson, “Marginalia,” American Scientist 35 (1947): 118; Melvin A. Cook, “Where Is the Earth’s Radiogenic Helium?” Nature 179, no. 4557 (1957): 213.
        J. C. G. Walker, Evolution of the Atmosphere (London: Macmillan, 1977);
        J. W. Chamberlain and D.M. Hunten, Theory of Planetary Atmospheres, 2nd edition (London: Academic Press, 1987).
        Larry Vardiman, The Age of the Earth’s Atmosphere: A Study of the Helium Flux Through the Atmosphere (El Cajon, CA: Institute for Creation Research, 1990).
        For a fully treatment and further information see:
        John D. Morris, The Young Earth (Green Forest, AR: Master Books, 2000), pp. 83–85.
        Don B. DeYoung, Thousands . . . Not Billions (Green Forest, AR: Master Books, 2005), pp. 65–78.
        Andrew A. Snelling, Earth’s Catastrophic Past: Geology, Creation and the Flood (Dallas, TX: Institute for Creation Research, 2009), pp. 887–890.
        D. Russell Humphreys, et al., “Helium Diffusion Age of 6,000 Years Supports Accelerated Nuclear Decay,” Creation Research Society Quarterly 41, no. 1 (2004): 1–16.
        Humphreys, 2005.
        D. Russell Humphreys, “Critics of Helium Evidence for a Young World Now Seem Silent,” Journal of Creation 24, no. 1 (2010): 14–16;
        D. Russell Humphreys, “Critics of Helium Evidence for a Young World Now Seem Silent?” Journal of Creation 24, no. 3 (2010): 35–39.

        Ignoring the facts is not wrapping things up.

        • axelbeingcivil

          4. It’s not “ignoring it with stories”. Even without any other mechanisms to account for warming, life currently survives at the high arctic today, and at the bottom of the ocean. A sharp decrease in solar luminosity would make our world very cold but still not something life has not mastered today.

          5. This is just downright incoherent. Earth’s magnetic field has nothing to do with gravity. Magnetism and gravity are two entirely different fundamental forces.

          The Earth’s magnetic field has not been exponentially rising throughout history. It has been going through successive periods of rise and fall. This is found in evidence laid down through rocks in the Atlantic during the parting of the continents.

          6. Again, I don’t think you quite get how science works. Humphreys made assumptions that didn’t match reality. His work was immensely flawed. In science, you don’t just get to make claims about whatever you want; you have to back it up with solid evidence. Humphreys’ evidence wasn’t solid; there were too many errors to take what he said seriously.

          I had a look at the sources in your list as well, and the only ones that purport to support your claims are the ones from Creationist institutions. For example, Cook’s letter to Nature is about helium diffusion out of earth’s atmosphere, balancing gain from solar rays/outgassing and loss to space. Reiners et al. actually goes into detail how helium detection methods are consistent with scientific models of age. Gentry et al. is about rates of helium loss being affected by temperature.

          As for the Creationist sources, all of them – especially those by Snelling and Humphreys himself – are referencing Humphreys’ work at the Fenton Hills site in the Valles Caldera, an area known to have helium deposits that completely invalidate this kind of study.

          Humphreys’ study was exceptionally flawed; he introduced errors no scientist ever should have and used bad data. No conclusions can be drawn from it because the data is invalid.

    • axelbeingcivil

      7. The Earth was not formed when the Big Bang happened, no. It formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago. That wasn’t when all the carbon-14 on our planet formed, though.

      Carbon-14 is formed by a number of processes. By far, the most abundant form is produced when radiation from the Sun strikes our atmosphere, forming thermal neutrons. These neutrons react with nitrogen, producing radioactive carbon and a hydrogen ion.

      Once formed, this carbon enters the carbon cycle, where some of it is consumed by plants (some of which are then consumed by animals). When these organisms die, if they are preserved in some way, this carbon is trapped with them and slowly decays.

      That’s the basis for carbon dating of living things. It isn’t the only process by which it occurs, but it’s the major one.

      Detection of C-14 in diamonds is a commonly stated claim, but one that’s been very difficult to back up. While there are theoretical mechanisms by which C-14 could form in diamonds – nitrogen trapped within them being exposed to radiation from decaying radioisotopes nearby – they aren’t really necessary. Attempts by the ICR to detect radiocarbon in diamond all produced values of effectively zero when steps were taken to avoid contamination and use only fresh samples.

      Detection in coal, meanwhile, has a similar potential explanation but a far more interesting story around it.

      You see, as a part of projects to detect solar neutrinos, astrophysicists require something called scintillation fluid; a fossil-fuel-derived substance that sparkles when struck by certain forms of radiation. The problem is, if this fluid contains native beta particle emitters, the fluid itself will naturally sparkle and thus contaminate any results. Thus, they can only use scintillants with an exceptionally low radioactive material content; below the threshold where it will naturally flash on its own.

      This has led to studies of fossil fuels to examine their native radioisotope levels and, intriguingly, there is quite a bit of variability throughout them. Yes, carbon-14 is detected in these materials, but it’s exceptionally variable. What does this variability correlate with? Why, it fits nothing better than the natural radioactive material content of the surrounding rocks the fuels were contained by.

      Coal is pretty much universally contaminated with uranium and thorium, both radioactive rocks. This is a part of why coal power plants tend to inflict a higher radiation load on the surrounding regions than nuclear power plants; thorium particles in the ash released. Ash traps in the West catch most of it, but…

      This is even before getting into the possibility of infiltration by fungi and bacteria, which is a fascinating story unto itself.

      So with that all in mind, there is ample explanation as to why there are low levels of C-14 in coal seams and diamonds. If you want to talk about fossils, cite me a specific example.

      8. The Oort Cloud wasn’t “made up”. It was posited by Oort because of observations of comet aphelia. Long-period comets have aphelia in the range of 20,000 AU, suggesting that their origin lays at about that distance; drawn into the solar system via tidal disturbances. It is a likely hypothesis, but still treated as one by astrophysicists.

      9. This is blatantly false. It comes from a claim, again, by Humphreys and is just as sloppy as his prior claims. They estimate only sodium lost in the alteration of basalt. They neglect things like, say, the formation of diatomaceous earths and other sodium sinks that, collectively, add up to huge portions of the salt.

      Proper measurements by others (like Glenn Morton) show that the balance of salt in the ocean is pretty much that: Balanced. Sometimes the levels can fluctuate (at the time of his measurements, it looked like the oceans were getting less salty, not more), but the balance is largely maintained.

      10. Still waiting on a source for this.

  • XaurreauX

    I don’t understand how, as a Christian, Carter can accept evolution when the theory erases the basis for Christianity. Evolution being true means there’s no special creation, to wit, Adam and Eve. If Adam and Eve did not exist there was no Original Sin or Fall of Mankind. If those events did not occur then redemption through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ was unnecessary even if it really occurred.

    • axelbeingcivil

      Plenty of Christians believe in Genesis allegorically, with Adam and Eve’s sin representing the sinfulness inherent in every individual and the loss of innocence and childhood as one grows. That’s how many Jews have believed it for a very, very long time now. Others choose to believe Adam and Eve and the Garden were a local creation, made after eons of evolution. There’s other interpretations, albeit increasingly less literal ones. Even without Adam and Eve, humans are still sinful, after all.

      • hytre64

        I have also heard of CINO’s (Christian in Name Only) who believe in the Resurrection as allegory. Namely that Jesus’ teaching & hope were revived after His crucifixion – Not that Jesus was physically brought back from the dead.

        …Sad

        • axelbeingcivil

          It’s their right to believe it. Some people don’t accept the idea of substitutionary atonement. Others don’t believe in the occurrence and/or necessity of miracles.

          • hytre64

            They can believe whatever they like. Paul, otoh, wrote “if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. ” (1 Cor 15:17)

            If they don’t believe in substitutionary atonement, the death, burial & resurrection of Christ, then in what sense are they calling themselves, “Christian“?

          • axelbeingcivil

            They believe in Christ’s message of love and forgiveness, one imagines. Many see Christ’s death as insignificant next to Christ’s life.

      • XaurreauX

        I understand that many Christians view Genesis as an allegory, but they don’t view Jesus and his sacrifice as one.

        • axelbeingcivil

          Many do, though. You can look them up; read their words.

          • XaurreauX

            Does Jimmy Carter regard Adam and Eve and Jesus Christ as allegorical?

          • axelbeingcivil

            No idea. Send him an email? He might actually reply.

          • Oboehner

            Most likely the buffoon doesn’t know how to work a simple computer. Look what he did in the Whitehouse.

          • Bob Johnson

            Bachelor of Science, United Staes Naval Academy in Annapolis, 1946

          • Oboehner

            *States*
            Back when they used the abacus.

    • Reason2012

      What’s sad is atheists understand that far more than many professing Christians. If we cannot believe God when it comes to what He says He did, why believe any of it?

      And science DOES show us that when a person dies and starts decaying for days, they’re not coming back to life – do we throw out Christ rising from the dead because that DOES contradict science?

      Of course not.

      But we throw out other things God said for the anti-science belief system that our ancestors of the past were fish. Hypocrisy, which shows a professing Christian who claims to not believe God did what He said He did has a serious problem.

      Calling how God created, or Jesus rising from the dead an allegory is a fancy way of saying “it’s false and can be ignored”.

  • ComeOnPeople!

    Nope sorry LEVITICUS 18:22: “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an ABOMINATION.” Under a righteous KING homosexuality is an abomination but under
    Obama-nation it is acceptable. Choose you this day which King you will be under. I choose Yeshua the righteous .

    • Cady555

      Here’s a passage with not one, not two, not three but four abominations. I think god is serious here.

      Leviticus 11:9-12 King James Version (KJV)
      9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
      10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
      11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
      12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

      So, when was the last sermon you heard about shellfish?

      You cherry pick your book to condemn others while justifying yourself. The word for that sounds like hypocrite. Everyone else can see it plainly.

      • ComeOnPeople!

        I actually do keep GOD’s instructions not to eat that which HE did not create for food and is unclean. Even science is proving that the unclean animals in Lev. are the worst animals you can eat. They are not herbivores but eat rotten dead flesh and clean up the sewage in the ocean. Do a study on animals and you will thank your CREATOR for instructing you not to eat them.

        I do not see how anyone on a blog post could see anything about me. Your post being proof. I love both GOD and man and keep HIS commandments. Am I perfect ? OF COURSE NOT. But where man is week , GOD is strong & HE sent back the promise of HIS SPIRIT to lead and to guide us into all TRUTH. What is TRUTH… the bible says thy WORD is truth. The Psalms tell us … Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy LAW is the TRUTH.
        HIS instructions teach every man how to draw near to HIM & what causes a distance from HIM. HE is a loving HOLY GOD.

        I left main stream churches long ago as have many. Many are tired of the do as though wilt as if the Messiah was not the very GOD of Abraham , Issac and Jacob. HE was the WORD made flesh and HE kept HIS WORD perfectly. We are to endeavor to walk as HE walked not because HIS instructions bring salvation, even in the Torah instructions of GOD never brought salvation only blood brought redemption . When a man SINNED (transgressed GOD’s law) and became aware of his transgressions he would bring a sacrifice to pay for his sin & then would try not to ever offend again because innocent blood had to be shed to bring HIM back in favor with GOD. I therefore thank GOD for the perfect lamb that came because of my transgressions and I love HIM therefore I refrain from what displeases HIM and cling to things that are HOLY.

        It’s not about religion it’s about a relationship . Many know of GOD but they do not KNOW HIM.

  • mikesensei

    Since when did “peanut farmer” & “politician” come to mean “scientist?”

    • axelbeingcivil

      He’s just repeating what the overwhelming majority of scientists agree is the case.

      • Oboehner

        Popular opinion is always scientific.

        • axelbeingcivil

          It is? Since when?

          • Oboehner

            Since it applies to evolutionism.

          • axelbeingcivil

            I think you have it backwards. Evolution is popularly accepted because it’s science, not the other way around.

          • Oboehner

            Science so-called, there is NO proof, just assumption, speculation and just plain religious belief.

          • axelbeingcivil

            Math has proofs. Science has evidence.

            And you don’t consider, say, 16s/18s rRNA studies to be evidence, I’m guessing?

          • Oboehner

            Not conclusive nor evolutionism specific.

          • axelbeingcivil

            No evidence is entirely conclusive in science. It just lends more weight to one theory than others. This evidence is exceptionally strong support for evolution, since it shows clearly a genetic “distance” between organisms that matches the fossil record. It even led to the discovery of archaea, a sort of example of an intermediate between bacteria-like proto-eukaryotes and modern eukaryotes.

            Any claims of divine creation ostensibly shouldn’t show this pattern of apparent progression, yet alone in keeping with a fossil record some claim doesn’t indicate an evolutionary progression.

          • Oboehner

            The fossil record shows nothing more than dead things, it is purely speculation to think they are any more than that. Case in point- “apparent progression”. So-called “intermediate” is just more speculation, one can hardly build a case of the beliefs or opinions of others.

    • Edward MacGuire

      He has an undergraduate degree in science and graduated from Annapolis and served in the Navy nuclear submarine program. I suppose he would be classed more as an engineer than a scientist.

  • Peter Leh

    evolution is not a deal breaker

  • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

    Jimmy Carter believes in abortion, gay marriage and evolution. Two things he does not believe: God and the Bible.

  • Lily Haley

    Why is he allowed to teach Sunday School if he doesn’t know what the Bible says?

    Scientist is not a term I would have ever associated with Carter.

  • James Cox

    Having a form of Godliness, but denying the power thereof…..

  • HardCorePress

    Another willful idiot who rejects Christ. I can’t say I feel sorry for people like Jimmy Carter. They don’t want forgiveness of their sins because they love their sin. This is just another sign of the end of days. Don’t worry our Redemption draws nearer, rejoice for we are not like them!

  • ort

    Need any more proof that Mr. Peanut probably isn’t saved? I don’t.

  • peanut butter

    I think Carter has gone bonkers in his old age. He is against Israel, and he believes in evolution. But to what extent? That God let two amoebas form and reproduce, turn into fish, crawl out onto land and turn into apes, then men? The world was created in six days… now to God a day’s a thousand years, and a thousand years is but a day. I’m not so sure about carbon dating, because they don’t have anybody to tell them if something they have dated is really 4 billion years old. But to say that Christ would approve of gay marriage? Or encourage any love affair that was honest and sincere? A lot of people go only by the words of the New Testament, but you have to read the whole Bible and keep it all in context or you will forget things like blessing Israel or being cursed, The Creation of Heaven and Earth and Adam and Eve, and the laws of the Ten Commandments and other laws of chastity and against adultery and such. All I can say is that I would not want President Carter teaching my children or grandchildren in Sunday school.

    • axelbeingcivil

      Carbon dating doesn’t go beyond much more than 50,000 years. We use different forms of radiometric dating to go back further. We can, however, calibrate carbon dating – and all other forms of dating – against various other methods and evidence sources.

      For example, tree rings are one great example. Every time a tree lays down a ring, the cells that formed that ring die and leave behind a cellulose wall that is thereafter unchanged for the rest of the plant’s lifetime. Very, very old trees can be truly staggeringly ancient, allowing us to compare carbon stored in their oldest rings to calibrate dating information. We can likewise, say, carbon-test human remains in graves of known age. These all give us a good indication as to the accuracy of carbon dating.

      Getting earlier dates require different measurement systems and comparisons, which I can go into if you’re curious.

      As for how evolution works, I can go into that, too, if you wish. Suffice to say, it’s a bit more complicated than what you suggest. Amoebas, for example, are eukaryotic life, not prokaryotic, and all evidence points to the latter coming a very long time before the former.

      If you want to know more, I am happy to answer any of your questions.

  • dndgaddy

    jimmy are you a monkeys uncle? Does it really make a difference that jimmy said he thought that Jesus would approve homosexual marriage… how so jimmy… when God has already condemned it in His word… jimmy is right on one point… he has no verse to back him!!!

    • http://thebenevolentthou.com/ Max T. Furr, author

      Condemned it in your version of YOUR religion. Carter is an educated man. He understands the scientific method. He is free to believe as he wishes.

      • Reason2012

        If his beliefs were “science”, one wouldn’t need to “believe in it”.

        • axelbeingcivil

          So it’s not an established scientific fact that the Earth revolves around the Sun if someone says “I believe the Earth revolves around the Sun”?

          • Reason2012

            We see the sun move through the sky, so either
            (1) It’s moving
            (2) We’re moving
            (3) We’re rotating
            or any combination of the three – no belief required.

          • axelbeingcivil

            That wasn’t really my point. My point is that people saying “I believe” isn’t an indication of the factual nature of something; it’s just a quirk of the English language. Science doesn’t help in this area; scientists aren’t predisposed to speaking in absolutes. In the real world, absolute certainty is rare, so we speak in terms of “most likely” and “probably” rather than “is” or “is not”.

            You’re just being really awkward, not making a convincing case.

          • http://thebenevolentthou.com/ Max T. Furr, author

            I think that your view that evolution is incorrect because we do not see it occur is wrong (fish are always fish, etc.).

            The missing element in your view is geological time and at what point on this timescale did humans evolve.

            If the history of Earth were compressed into one year, scientific research has found that biological evolution began in April and land animals appear early September. Not until the 30 minutes before midnight on December 31 did humans appear. Civilization began 5 minutes before midnight, Columbus “discovered” America 20 seconds before midnight, and the U.S. Declaration of Independence was signed 7 seconds before midnight.

            Thus, animals appeared on land some 4 months ago, but humans only seconds ago.

            These “appearances” were derived via solid research into the geological and biological history of earth–especially taking note of plate tectonics, the fossil record and independent verification, as well as astronomy, physics and intellectual honesty.

          • Michael Long

            Evolution is observable as well.

        • http://thebenevolentthou.com/ Max T. Furr, author

          That was HIS word–that he “believes” the science. It is my contention that scientific evidence is not something one “believes,” it is something that one accepts or does not accept. Science is objective, religion is subjective. Sorry for the ambiguity.

  • http://thebenevolentthou.com/ Max T. Furr, author

    Ham is using taxpayer money for this “museum” while barring non-fundamentalist Christians from working there.

    This is yet another way fundamentalist Christians and politicians ignore the Constitution’s prohibition of using public money for sectarian purposes. And to boot, it is government recognition and endorsement of a particular religion over all others. They would never support any other religion. It is dishonorable, duplicitous, and a slap in the face of the every American because it is unconstitutional.

    And as for Carter, that he is an evolutionist is good, but I do wish he hadn’t disingenuously watered it down with the caveat. One does not “believe” in evolution as one believes in a religion, one accepts or rejects the overwhelming evidence provided by unbiased, scientific research–and Carter knows it.

    • Reason2012

      Please prove he’s using taxpayer money.

      • http://thebenevolentthou.com/ Max T. Furr, author

        I gave a website source as one of many sources, but obviously the overseers of this page do not allow links even for the purpose of education. So, look up “Newsweek 2016-01-29 noahs-ark-kentucky-dinosaurs” . And if you do not believe that source there are plenty of other sources, including public records. You will not find it on religious right sites and Fox News.

  • Reason2012

    John 6:43-45 “Jesus therefore answered and said unto them,
    Murmur not among yourselves. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
    It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”

  • Michael Santore

    oh no, and they let him “teach” Sunday School???

  • Russ Beauchemin

    It is sad reflection of the ignorance of unthinking people to hear that whether to “believe” in evolution or not is still a subject of debate in 2016, and that so many still believe in the noah’s ark fairytale.

    • Guest

      The most important scientific discoveries have been made, and continue to be made, by Creationists who know Noah to be real and the Great Flood to be an actual event.

      • Michael Long

        That is complete nonsense. Even christian geologists say no global flood ever occurred.

        • Guest

          You mean like John D. Morris,who had a Doctorate in Geological Engineering at the University of Oklahoma and who taught Geology there for years? How about Dr. Steve Austin, Dr Graeme Mortimer, Dr Emil Silvestru, or Dr. Andrew Snelling, to name a few.

  • Don Veasey

    Evidence is powerful and can’t be dismissed. President Carter as a learned man chooses not to ignore evidence. Unfortunately, Ken Hamm choses superstition over evidence.

    • Guest

      Jimmy Carter, a learned man?? *guffaw* Low standards, huh, Don? 🙂 Ken Ham actually has a science degree while Carter has — nothing. 🙂

      • Michael Long

        Actually he’s a very educated man.

        • Guest

          Getting a degree doesn’t make one learned, as Jimmy has proven over and over again.

  • Mark Coassolo

    Forget what was in the Old Testament when you talk about Jesus. President Carter is more like what Jesus taught. The un-pious piety of these “Christians?” are not very Christian at all. I’m sure President Carter teaches the New Testament more as what Christianity is about. Hate, bigotry against ANYONE is not Christian. None of this hatred against the millions and millions of God’s homosexual humans is not Christian. There are two commandments that Christ taught and the second is the most important if you want to really say you are a Christian.

    Those that act like bigots probably stop their reading of the bible when they want to.

    Matthew 6: 14-15 where our Lord taught his prayer. The first scripture following this makes it clear that Bigotry is not what Christianity is about.

    “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly
    Father will also forgive you. But if you don’t forgive men their
    trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”

    When you discriminate against the innocent with unnecessary fear, complete ignorance of human sexuality and an unfair hatred of God’s human beings for being born differently; you are a bigot, plain and simple. Bigotry is not Christian.

  • A_Wee_Lass

    If this Ark was intended to be “Historically accurate” Ham should have built it by himself and just the members of his immediate family, no? Instead it is constructed by a team of construction engineers, modern day construction materials and complex machines… thank you science.

  • http://joannesilvia.wordpress.com/ JoAnne Macco Silvia

    After reading some of these comments, I’m amazed that people have so much time on their hands to be so negative. Won’t be back.

  • Russ Crosby

    In evolution, death precedes sin. However the Bible teaches that sin came first and that sin produces death. Both cannot be true.

    • Michael Long

      The bible is wrong. And there is no such thing as sin.

  • Civem_Americanum

    How did this article go from a story about the new theme park to a discussion about gay marriage? Can we please have one conversation in the 21st century that does not involve gay marriage?

  • Proud White Christian

    Anybody that isn’t a White Fundamentalist Christian Conservative must be killed. Mass public executions will make God love and bless us again. HEIL JESUS!!!

  • Andy Parker

    And there’s me thinking the Book of Genesis was about Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks…

  • Frank Dorka

    I guess you god cannot be trusted to not do this again? Which family would he save? The Kardashian’s or the Duggar’s?

  • Alison Cowan

    What I want to know is, where’s the hay? And what did the crocodiles eat?

  • Mark Maranta

    Ol’ Ken sure blew an enormous amount of money, time, and labour all to prove that there is no possible way Noah could ever have managed to build such an Ark with the resources or technology at his disposal.

  • cromagnum

    Jimmy seems too smart to continue supporting mythology….or apparently…not.

  • Joel F

    Not to be pedantic but it’s “accept” the evidence of evolution and not “believe” in evolution.

  • DiscipleofYahushua

    Jud 1:1 Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ:
    Jud 1:2 Mercy to you and peace and love be multiplied.
    Jud 1:3 Beloved, while I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I was constrained to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
    Jud 1:4 For there are certain men who crept in secretly, even those who were long ago written about for this condemnation: ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into indecency, and denying our only Master, God, and Lord, Jesus Christ.
    Jud 1:5 Now I desire to remind you, though you already know this, that the Lord, having saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who didn’t believe.
    Jud 1:6 Angels who didn’t keep their first domain, but deserted their own dwelling place, he has kept in everlasting bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.
    Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, having, in the same way as these, given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are shown as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.
    Jud 1:8 Yet in the same way, these also in their dreaming defile the flesh, despise authority, and slander celestial beings.
    Jud 1:9 But Michael, the archangel, when contending with the devil and arguing about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him an abusive condemnation, but said, “May the Lord rebuke you!”
    Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of whatever things they don’t know. They are destroyed in these things that they understand naturally, like the creatures without reason.
    Jud 1:11 Woe to them! For they went in the way of Cain, and ran riotously in the error of Balaam for hire, and perished in Korah’s rebellion.

  • disqus_SUijHfDO8w

    This shows that Mr. Ham’s way of thinking is not having the effect he says it is. Ham and his cronies are actually doing more harm to the Christian faith than anything else that I can think of.

  • Runnel Riley

    I agree with President Carter, I see no conflict between believing in evolution and being a follower of Jesus. We see evolution happening all the time, animals adapt or evolve to new environments, Humans adapt or evolve to new and different food sources and so on, so to deny evolution is sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge provable facts. Do I believe that mankind evolved from some DNA soup millions of years ago NO. I believe Mankind was created by a loving God. Just because I acknowledge evolution does not mean I disbelieve in God.

  • Michael Falsia

    Jimmy’s view of evolution is consistent with his stupid and immoral progressive political faith.

    • Michael Long

      Evolution is a fact, deal with it.

  • Ian K. Iles

    Does Ken Ham’s Ark experience also include such authentic additions as drowned kittens, puppies, elephants, unicorns & of course, little children? I’m just wondering about the depth of honesty in the portrayal of this myth as something suitable for families to engage with.

  • shock_immuned

    Senility?

  • zabazoom

    Nothing like a two thousand year old fairy tale wrapped in a creation myth

  • Robert Stoanes

    Perhaps Christians wouldn’t be hated as much if more people like Jimmy Carter represented it.

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  • Kay Wilson Seiler

    I fear for his eternal destination.