Anglican ‘Church’ of Canada Votes to Approve Same-Sex ‘Marriage’

Anglican-compressedRICHMOND HILL, Ont. — The Anglican Church of Canada has voted to approve of same-sex “marriage” a day after a miscount resulted in reports that the measure had been struck down.

“A minister may only solemnize a marriage between persons of the same sex if authorized by the diocesan bishop,” the resolution, moved by minister Colin Johnson, read.

It also proposed to substitute the word “partners” for “husband and wife” in church canon, and to substitute “the parties to the marriage” for “a man and a woman.”

Discussion and debate was held about the matter during the General Synod July 7-12 in Richmond Hill. Anglicans currently officiate over civil unions, but church canon recognizes marriage as being between only a man and a woman.

“I’m convinced full inclusion is the Christian way,” Alistair McCollum of St. John the Divine told the Times Colonist. “There is still a large part of the church that is struggling with this and they are good-hearted. … but we need to use our hearts and heads and follow the prime principles of love and justice.”

However, others were concerned that some ministers seemed to conjoin being a pastor with supporting same-sex nuptials.

“I will not approve this,” David Parsons of the diocese of the Arctic stated during the gathering. “[But] I will be pastoral to everyone.”

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Yukon Bishop Larry Robertson walked out in protest, opining that the issue was too divisive.

“I cannot participate in a decision-making that pits soul against soul, brother against brother,” he stated. “I will neither vote yea or nay, and I will not be abstaining. I will not participate in the decision-making; I will participate in this house as a bishop of this church. I will continue to proclaim the gospel.”

The resolution’s authors had compiled a report about the matter, asserting, “The experience of same-sex committed partnerships in our midst, clearly manifesting God’s blessing and the fruit of the Spirit, are a powerful indication that God’s view of marriage may be more inclusive than ours.”

But the report also provided insight into the opposition to the move, including from a church member who wrote a letter to express his concern.

“It shouldn’t be up to me or any other layperson to decide what is and what isn’t God’s revealed truth. The fact that I have to write this letter to defend one of the most fundamental doctrines of the church as made clear by Scripture, tradition and reason is disheartening to say the least,” they wrote.

On Monday, it appeared that the resolution had failed by a single vote, but it was later discovered that one vote had been mistakenly counted in the lay order instead of the clergy order. For a resolution to pass, it must obtain a two-thirds majority in the lay, clergy and bishops orders.

Archbishop Fred Hiltz announced on Tuesday that there had been a counting error and that the resolution had actually passed.

The theme of this year’s Synod was “You Are My Witnesses,” based upon Isaiah 43:10. 1.6 million Canadians currently identify as Anglican.


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  • Emmanuel

    Is there any God fearing and Bible based churches left in Canada?

    • Amos Moses

      Another One Bites The Dust (Lyrics)
      youtube;com/watch?v=VsnXeQDqOOg – Replace the ; with a .

      This is a good thing ………… the false believers are leaving ……. this is purification ……… good riddance to bad trash ……………….. let the gold rise to the top …….

      • Charles

        Amen.. It’s a purge.. The Lord is spitting them out.

      • TheKingOfRhye

        I find it a little odd, maybe ironic, that you would be bringing up a Queen song of all things. Good song, anyway, and a great band….incidentally, Queen’s guitar player, Dr. Brian May (PhD in astrophysics, by the way!), just recently won the “Celebrity Straight Ally” award at the British LGBT Awards….presented to him by Adam Lambert, who of course is the singer for the ongoing “Queen + Adam Lambert” collaboration. (saw them 2 years ago…an amazing singer, and Brian and Roger still got it)

        • Amos Moses

          And Freddy was homosexual………… does not mean they do not have talent or that they cannot be respected for those talents ………… many actors and actresses are homosexual ….. Raymond Burr, Jack Larsen, Lesley Gore, Montgomery Cliff, Sal Mineo.. Etc. ……………. but all that has nothing to do with salvation and that is why we are here …………. that is not why the current crop of homosexuals are here ………. they are here to disrupt and cause dissension ………. i do not spend all my time on The Advocate or other web forums …… i am not trying to convert those that do not want to be ……… they have made a choice …. i respect that ……….. they have chosen poorly ……… but they have chosen ……. not the ones who come here ……. i actually think they want to be saved ………… otherwise they would find another activity …….

          • TheKingOfRhye

            FreddIE not Freddy, that always bugs me.

            I guess it’s a good thing you say you’re not trying to convert anyone who doesn’t want to be….I don’t know if you’d have a snowball’s chance in hell of doing that….lol

          • Amos Moses

            “I don’t know if you’d have a snowball’s chance in hell of doing that”

            i have no chance ……… Christ saves those that He will ……. i just say His biblical words ….. He does the work ……

    • TheBottomline4This

      There are few Biblical Churches left worldwide.

      • Emmanuel

        I hope mine is one of them and yours too

        • TheBottomline4This

          I know the one we had to leave a few years ago because of a move was. The one we’re at now seems to be. I hope yours is too.

          • Emmanuel

            As of now, yes. And we are pushing to keep it from moving to the left; really hard.

      • Sum Tin Wong

        Other than Orthodox and Cathorics, yes, there are “few” reft! Many raffs.

  • TheBottomline4This

    Again, it’s not surprising when a non-Christian church chooses this path.

    • Pitangus Sulfuratus

      Augustine(non-Christian)’s Chair still has pride of place at Cant-erbury -says it all,
      really (if the root be holy, so are the branches…can a bad tree bear good fruit…..)

  • meamsane

    We seem to be coming down to a remnant of faithful believers!

    • TheBottomline4This

      Definitely!!!

    • Pitangus Sulfuratus

      itching ears scratched by word of man

  • Stephen W.

    Time changes things, and religion changes with the times. As a child, I attended the First Baptist Church in my small Georgia town. At that time, it would have been unthinkable for whites and blacks to worship together in that church.

    • TheBottomline4This

      I never have understood anyone’s problem with skin colors. They are all beautiful. God made our skin, so not sure why some can be bothered by it.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Yes, skin colors are God’s creation. Sexual immorality is sinners’ willful choice. It’s been wrong and disgusting for the Western secularism to put colored people and sexually sinful people in the same category. That notion must get corrected. Racism will never end if the secular West pushes sexual immorality into the world. People need Biblical teachings to be good and civilized.

        • TheKingOfRhye

          “It’s been wrong and disgusting for the Western secularism to put colored people and sexually sinful people in the same category.”

          We do put them in the same category: Citizens. Citizens that have equal protection of the law.

          (Colored people? I didn’t think anybody still used that term anymore….I always thought it was kinda weird…I mean, we’re all ‘colored’, right? Just different colors)

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            All citizens have rights to sane morality. Secular West is oppressive against moral people because the Western world has no moral standard apart from Christianity. Western secularism has only blasphemy, infanticide, and sexual immorality as its core values. It is unfair for the Christians to be ordered around by immoral secularists.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            There are other moral standards besides Christianity, you know. I thought I tried to explain this to you before, but we have a thing called freedom of religion in the US, and Canada.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Freedom of conscience/religion is exclusively a Judeo-Christian value. Mankind never knew such thing existed outside of the Christendom because they had nothing valuable to protect and unleash like the Holy Bible. All other values and religions and ideologies have serious defects that produce massive number of innocent victims. Secular West wants to equate Christianity with other religions and values only because of their present personal preference for sexual chaos. Such attempt has been futile and it increased the number of mental patients. Denial of the truth is bad to mental health. Sin should have been identified as sin.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Freedom of conscience/religion is exclusively a Judeo-Christian value?

            Hmm….you could have fooled me. I’ve certainly seen a good number of Christians that don’t seem to believe in freedom of religion.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Licentiousness is not freedom but a slavery because sin is slavery. (John ch.8) Christians have been quiet for a time, but the Western Sodomites’ recent push of immorality is a human rights abuse in recent years. Man is not created to bow to the Western Sodomites but to honor God. You guys should be ashemed of pushing sexual immorality; it ruins all children. Poor your normal forefathers. Get some sense of shame. Even pagans have a better sense of morality than today’s secular Western culture.

    • TheBottomline4This

      Also, you are wrong Theo in saying religion changes with the times. Well false religions will, but true Christianity won’t per the Bible…
      “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.”Hebrews 13:8-9.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Amen!

    • Michael A. Todd

      Only religions based on the things of this world are changing. God and His Word never change. People either stand on the rock of His Word or they fall because of the shifting sands underneath them. So, no, God doesn’t change with time. Only peoples attitudes do.

      • RWH

        What “God’s Word” says is up to interpretation. Do some research, and you will find that many sincere Christians found lots of Scripture to defend segregation. Bob Jones Sr. even preached that one could not be a good Christian if s/he did not believe in segregation. A good place to start is with the nine black children who attempted to integrate Central High School in Little Rock. A simple newspaper search will show you that the “fundamentalists” were dead set against integration. The the Saturday religion pages in the newspapers will feature meetings and sermons at churches designed to energize the whites who picketed the school. People who stood up for integration were social personas non grata often had their houses and churches vandalized.

        The rhetoric back then and now is identical. I have yet to see a sermon preached in the “good” churches about the love David and Jonathan had for each other or the love that Ruth had for Naomi. Nor the symbiotic relationship Mary and Martha had. All were relationships that broke the “rules,” yet Scripture doesn’t condemn then. Suffice it to say that sincere Christians disagree, and many read the clobber verses in light of the Scriptural context. All sex outside the literal act of procreation was considered a sin. The context of all of these verses was either about rape, promiscuous sex, or pagan worship. The context is not about people who love each other so much that they violate the “rules.” Keep in mind what the religious leadership said about Christ, and what happened to Him.

        The Bible doesn’t offer simple black/white situations. This is one of the main reasons why there are so many denominations. There are often many different ways of reading the same passages. Baptists see conversion narratives as adults believing and being baptized. Others see the part of the verse “and their families,” indicating that adults believed on behalf of their children.

        Most importantly, Scripture calls the Church the “pillar and ground of the truth.” Peter was given the keys and was told that what the Church determines will be honored in heaven. Scripture never attributes that to itself. In fact, “Scripture” did not exist until the Council of Nicea when the Church determined what was Scripture and what was not. Why is it, then, that Christ quoted from the Septuagint, not the Hebraic text, yet fundamentalists reject the Deutrocanonical books which were contained in the Septuagint?

        So, agree to disagree, but be very careful in labeling people and churches as “non-Christian.”

        • TheBottomline4This

          In a perfect world, every believer would dutifully study the Bible (2 Timothy 2:15) in prayerful dependence upon the Holy Spirit’s illumination. As can be clearly seen, this is not a perfect world. Not everyone who possesses the Holy Spirit actually listens to the Holy Spirit. There are Christians who grieve Him (Ephesians 4:30).
          Ask any educator—even the best classroom teacher has his share of wayward students who seem to resist learning, no matter what the teacher does. So, one reason different people have different interpretations of the Bible is simply that some do not listen to the Teacher—the Holy Spirit.

          • Jalapeno

            And..of course…the people who agree with you are the only ones who know how to listen, of course.

            The ones who support love and tolerance are the ones who don’t know how to pay attention.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Your definition of love and tolerance is twisted.

          • Jalapeno

            How so?

          • hytre64

            You would “love and tolerate” them right into Hell.

            If a person claims to be a Christian, but does not actually follow Christ, they are deceived and not saved. On the day of Judgement, they will hear, “Depart from me, you workers of iniquity, I never knew you.” Loving a backslidden Christian would include reaching out to them and in a loving fashion letting them know that they are in sin, and offering them a chance to repent.

            Jesus said, “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. “

          • Jalapeno

            “include reaching out to them and in a loving fashion letting them know that they are in sin, and offering them a chance to repent.”

          • hytre64

            Exactly.

          • meamsane

            Do you believe that there is an absolute truth?

          • Jalapeno

            Yes…

          • meamsane

            Where do you think you would find it?

          • Jalapeno

            The truth is just a set of facts.

            There are also things that don’t have an objective meaning…like many religious texts.

          • meamsane

            A set of facts based on what?
            Are you referring to the bible?

          • Jalapeno

            Based on..facts. Some things are just true..like.. “The sky is blue” and “Our bodies are mostly made out of water”.

            “Are you referring to the bible?”

            Not JUST the bible.

          • meamsane

            When I speak of truth…I am referring to knowledge that cannot be known without some form of revelation. I take it your not a believer in God or the bible?

          • Jalapeno

            So..your version of “absolute truth” is “things that aren’t based on actual facts”.

            Yeah, okay.

          • meamsane

            OK. You don’t want to answer the question. There is no reason to continue.

          • Jalapeno

            No…I’m not religious..but the fact that I left it up to implications not the reason why there’s no point.

          • Sum Tin Wong

            Many raffs! What are you doing on this website then, faggot?

          • Sum Tin Wong

            Is that what your faggot rover taught you?

          • Sum Tin Wong

            I don’t torerate any man ejacurating into my rectum.

          • Jalapeno

            Awesome.

            Do you think that allowing same sex marriage means that you get raped?

          • Sum Tin Wong

            I never bend over for soap around faggots rike you! Many raffs.

          • Jalapeno

            Cute. Bad trolling though.

          • Sum Tin Wong

            That’s arr what faggots rike you deserve, is Mr. Wong!

          • Jalapeno

            Thanks. I’ve been looking for someone to test that new “block” function out on.

          • Ho Ri Fuk

            That is what faggots rike you do!

          • RWH

            Well, we’re not talking about some wayward delinquents. We’re talking about theologians who make it their life’s work to know Scripture and church teaching. A lot of the doctrines that “fundamentalists” claim to believe were hammered out by the early Church councils as they fought against the various heresies such as Gnosticism and Arianism. The idea of people making up their own theology by the seat of their pants and independent churches that account to nobody is foreign to apostolic teaching. St. Ignatius of Antioch hammered out what a bishop should be when most of the Disciples were still alive. You may not like what these people have done, but you have no Scriptural authority to pass judgment on them.

          • TheBottomline4This

            I can pass judgement (discernment) on anyone I choose to, just like you can. We all do that everyday with those we interact with on a daily basis. So stop judging my judging.
            We are to discern in life. We are not to judge hypocritically. It’s interesting to me when someone tells me not to judge, while they are judging in doing that. You hypocrite.
            A true Biblical Church will not compromise in “approving” gay “marriages”, therefore proving the church mentioned in the article isn’t Christian.

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Stop putting the colored people with the sexually sinful people in the same category. Secular West got mental illness by applying racial equality upon sexual depravity. Racist Baptists were incomparably far better than today’s generation because they were not sexual pervs or baby-killers like today’s secular people. The Baptists brought charity and education into the world.

      • RWH

        No, the “racist Baptists” just formed the nucleus of the Klan and lynched “niggers.” As with many who claim to be “pro-life” people, they are, in reality, pro birth. They claim that they care about the fetus, but once the baby is born, they feel no obligation to support any type of “welfare” program that could lend a quality of life to the newly born. I’ve talked to some of these people. They have absolutely no concern for the mother and the infant once birth takes place. They may talk the good talk, but they certainly don’t walk the walk.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          You are wrong. The Baptists brought charity and education and medicine into the whole world, saving countless millions of humans everywhere. Christians created finest nations like USA in many regions so that all the babies and mothers and fathers can live well by the contribution of honest hard-working adults. Secular West’s problem is blasphemy and laziness and ingratitude and greed, not poverty. Everyone in all former Christendom including the USA can live well utmostly by just working with honesty.

          • RWH

            The Methodists, Lutherans, the Catholics, and just about every other religious organization has done the same. Not everyone in the United States shares these good qualities that you mention. Historically, Jim Crow laws, passed by some of these loving Christians, were designed to keep minorities down and poor. Read through southern newspapers prior to civil rights, and anyone can see that blacks could only get menial jobs while the good ones went to the whites. Our treatment of the American Indians is a poor reflection of our supposedly Christian values. Our treatment of the Aleut Indians during the Second World War is shocking!

            Your racist and callous attitudes from someone claiming to be a Christian are troubling. I don’t know where you get your information, but I don’t see your supposed problems with US culture to be endemic. I see a lot of structures out there that prevent poor people from improving themselves. Look at the cost of getting an education, for example. Some college graduates are faced with thousands of dollars of debt in spite of scholarship programs. How is someone who has nothing but low-paying jobs going to accomplish this.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Secular West is heinously racist today in that they put the colored people and sexually depraved people in the same category. You unbelieving liberal Westerners are bullies who are never sorry for any sins; all you want is just to see the Biblical Christians suffer instead of the colored people this century. Secular USA is unhappy and bad because of its own blasphemy and infanticide and Sodomy and for no other reasons. You guys need Christianity for salvation and morality and fairness.

          • RWH

            With all of the ethnic cleansing and strife in Eastern Europe, Africa, and Asia, you dare to criticize the west? The United States has never seen the likes of a Hitler or a Stalin. A lot of good Christians respectfully disagree with you. A lot of people work with people who are gay or have friends/relatives that are gay. They have seen that they are not the sex-crazed monsters as you would like to make them out to be.

            By the way, the term “colored people” is inherently racist. Concerning “Biblical Christians” who suffer, I would like to see your evidence. Show me the ministers who are languishing in jail over what they said. Even the Phelps family, as atrocious as they are, haven’t spent even a nanosecond in jail. People protest against gay pride parades, screaming insults at others, and they are accorded their rights to be there, no matter how obnoxious they are.

            It is apparent that you do not live in the United States, so I suppose your moral compass allows you to make outrageous accusations.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The West was good only because of its Protestant Christianity’s dominion. The West has no moral standard apart from Christianity. Today, well-fed secular West is suffering from boredom and oppresses Biblical Christians for opposing the abnormal sexual decadent culture. People have rights to morality. White Christians in USA who are in the wedding businesses and the government department and churches faced fines and imprisonment and threats. The persecution is real. You have no idea because you are not in the victims’ shoes.

            If the term “colored” is inherently racist, are the terms “white” and “black” racist as well? How do you put the yellows and reds and browns and blacks together? And if the Asians don’t like the term “yellow,” why do we still call certain people “white” or “black”? I use Chinese characters and the terms are “the white” and “the colored” and those have no racist notion.

            The LGBT need truth about their sins. Endorsement of sin is the most destructive crimes against humanity; therefore the supporters are more evil. You’ve been confined in your own filthy culture. Every culture contains deadly evils and needs a fix by the Christian Church to get civilized and for the children and all defenseless humans to be protected. Sodomic Western culture is the most depraved case the Church has encountered. You guys need to stop being bored. You guys are well-fed and better-off only because of your Christian forefathers who were far better than today’s generation regarding morality.

          • RWH

            Grace, perhaps it is better to stick to your own sins rather than pointing out others. I don’t think that you have a clue concerning western anything. The West was good because it has a lot of Protestants of all types, Catholics, Jews and others. “White Christians” is a term only the fascists would use. Perhaps you believe that white supremacists like the Klan or the Ayrian Nation are worthy of emulation, but most fair-minded people are repulsed by such groups. And Protestantism isn’t a guarantee that things will be moral. Moreover, I don’t think that you have a clue concerning the ways that Americans think nor of the American work ethic. The people I know work very hard for what they have. So, my advice to you is to stop pontificating and showing your ignorance about things you know nothing of.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It is wrong for Americans to hate the term “white Christian” because USA and all other finest nations on earth were created and sustained by the white Christians. Face the fact. Americans do not respect their forefathers and that’s why the world stopped respecting the Americans. Face the fact. You guys have trouble with viewing your own past and also morality, being very warped and ungrateful towards your hard-working forefathers and living to give the villains the same rights which only decent people must possess. Despicable pleasures and money is the only thing you guys seek, unlike yestyeryears’ Americans. US soldiers are simply protecting the things which the white Christians have created.

            Racism will never go away as long as Americans disrespect God and despise the white Christian Americans of yesteryears. Colonialism was evil, but so were the demon-worships and barbarisms. Racism against the majority is as evil as racism against the minorities. Liberal education goes nowhere close to the truth. Secular Americans should bash immoral themselves instead of any other group in history. Every group was better than today’s secular Westerners and their mental slaves regarding morality. USA needs Christianity for salvation and decency and safety. And USA must stop bullying the Christians for not-complying with the culture’s heinous decadence.

          • RWH

            Grace, it was the Americans who saved your sorry asses from the Japanese during World War II and from the Reds in the 1950s. Don’t you dare presume to judge us. Go get your own house in order before you start taking on this sanctimonious attitude and presume to judge us.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            God’s Judgment is upon USA because you guys are forcing Sodomy upon the US children and also on poor nations. You guys must stop behaving like the tyrannical Imperial Japan’s soldiers and brutal atheistic communists whom your Christian forefathers have defeated for good. They did not bled and die to preserve a Sodom. You must stop trying to silence the Christians in your land this century. You guys are no descendants of American fathers. In fact, Sodomites are not American at all. Your land will go to whomever God chooses. You must repent of your decadence to get a life.

          • This style ten and six

            If you go on with this virulent hatred of everyone who does not think as you do you are going to injure yourself. I suggest you cool it and maybe seek help.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            This is a Christian news site. Post-christian secular Western culture is threatening the global children with tyrannical depravity. This insanity must be attempted to stop. Our forefathers fought for access to God’s Word and liberty and justice for all. Today’s Christians will, too. No submission to sexually depraved Western culture. No slavery to villains again. Read the Holy Bible and “Uncle Tom’s Cabin.” You must not threaten others online. Where Christians have no freedom, there isn’t any freedom in that kind of society. Christianity is the voice of God’s truth and human dignity and sane morality.

          • Sum Tin Wong

            In the meantime, terr your rover to get off your back whire you are typing! Many raffs, faggot.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “White Christians in USA who are in the wedding businesses and the
            government department and churches faced fines and imprisonment and
            threats.”

            People (white or otherwise, Christian or otherwise) do usually face fines and imprisonment when they don’t follow the laws. That’s kind of the way it works….

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Western authorities and Sodomy supporters are breaking the law by oppressing normal people to endorse heinous sexual depravity. The Westerners lost their wits by losing Christianity this century. You guys really need help. The West has no moral standard apart from the Judeo-Christian values.

          • Ho Ri Fuk

            Who are you carring “racist”, faggot?

          • This style ten and six

            Jonas Salk, you know who he was, was a Jew. Nothing Baptist about him.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Jews flourished and gain names only in the Christendom. They only barely survived and could do nothing much in other regions because people are silenced in other regions. Moreover, in all the nations which English Christians created, everyone is given a chance to succeed. And the Baptists are the finest people in the English-speaking world.

        • Ho Ri Fuk

          Your conscience terr you these Christians right,but you must find isorated cases of hypocrisy to deny entire rerigion. The exception prove the norm?

          You tip top faggot in your reasoning.

    • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

      but there was nothing Biblical nor Godly about that time.

    • Sum Tin Wong

      I rike your rogic: because men and women of any race can marry, therefore we shourd bress two men ejacurating into each other’s rectum. You must be faggot.

  • Michael A. Todd

    Mainline churches are steadily falling away and why, to please far less than 10% of the population? Very sad, but, prophesied and thus unavoidable.

    • TheBottomline4This

      When they do this, it proves they are not Christian.

      • Ronald Carter

        No True Scotsman fallacy.

        • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

          No, Scripture.
          “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations on account of My name. And at that time many will fall away and will deliver up one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many. And because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end, he shall be saved. (Mat 24:9-13 NAS)
          “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Rev 21:8 NAS)

          • Ronald Carter

            No, it’s the No True Scotsman fallacy. You know, when one Christian gets self-righteous and tells another Christian that they aren’t being Christian enough for their liking.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            I care only what the Scriptures teach.

          • Ronald Carter

            Exactly, just like every other Christian.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            And to whom can’t the “Scotsman fallacy” be applied? Hence it’s just a rhetorical weapon and meaningless.

          • Ronald Carter

            If you are a Christian, and he is a Christian, and he believes or does something as a Christian which you disapprove of, it does not make him any less of a Christian merely because you dislike what he does. That is the No True Scotsman fallacy, and it is very easy to be a Christian without falling into this trap. All you have to do is accept that there are many different Christians with many different understandings regarding the Bible, church teachings, etc.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            You missed my point. The “Scotman’s Fallacy” can be used against anyone who believes anything.
            Those who approve of homosexuality are condemned by God. Right and wrong have been defined by God and are revealed in His Law. Who is and is not a Christian are also clearly revealed in the Scriptures by God.
            The fallacy called the “Scotsman’s Fallacy” never can be applied to God.

          • Ronald Carter

            If you approve of homosexuality, it does not affect your being defined as a Christian. There are entire gay-friendly congregations.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            There are entire congregations going to hell. Those who reject the clear teaching of the Scriptures are NOT Christians. They are the enemies of Christ.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            And people like you keep wondering why people like us don’t want anything to do with your religion? Go figure. I was a Christian at one time, but I smarted up after I saw the hate from some Christians towards people that don’t fit into their world. I never could do that, tell people how to live their lives. Have so much hate towards people who in the eyes of some Christians should just drop dead. Yep I have actually hear some Christians say that.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Your not a Christian because you do not believe in Jesus Christ. Everything else is self-justification for your rebellion.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Yep, you’re right. I’m no longer a Christian. And I’m happier then when I was one.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            You never were one, else you would have remained with us.

          • This style ten and six

            You really are a sanctimonious person. Good thing that your god is just in your head and sensible people can ignore everything he is supposed to have said.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            I suppose those who degrade themselves to a level lower than animals, will regard anyone who doesn’t as ‘sanctimonious’. You don’t simply disregard what God has said, you are in open rebellion against Him. And as punishment He has given you over to your lusts and to dishonor.

          • This style ten and six

            What on earth are you talking about! I am a married man with children, who I guess must have been begotten in lust by your standards.

            Homosexuals are our children, neighbours, politicians and men and women just like all of us. They don’t need your bigoted bile poured on them.

            And for your information you are an animal, a mammal, a great ape, as are we all.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            You don’t believe the Scriptures. Perhaps because you believe you are an animal, an ape, you also act as one.

          • This style ten and six

            It is not a matter of belief but of fact.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            You have a strange definition of ‘fact’. The fact is that God created man and all things.
            But for a moment let us consider your fact that you are a great ape. Would homosexuality contribute to the survival of your species? What do apes think of murder? Oops, apes to think, they are not rational beings. God is a rational being, and man bade in His image is rational (sometimes). Are you a rational being like God? Or are you an irrational ape? And if the latter, how is it we are having this discussion?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “Would homosexuality contribute to the survival of your species?”

            You know, homosexuality has been around for quite a long time, it’s hardly a new thing. It looks like the species has survived pretty well so far.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            With ZERO contribution from homosexuals. They are a dead weight, a cancer on humanity.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            So, you’re basically saying that people’s only value, only contribution to humanity, is their ability or inclination to produce offspring?

            Wow….I’d have to disagree on that one.

            And anyway, if they were truly a ‘dead weight’ and ‘a cancer’, why haven’t they just, at some point, died out, so to speak?

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            1) Why haven’t they died out? Because homosexuality is a matter of sin and rebellion against God, not genetics. Sin is a cancer, a dead weight on humanity, a wickedness that is only cured in Jesus Christ. Part of God’s purpose in creating mankind male and female is reproduction, “be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth”. Clearly, homosexuals cannot fulfill that purpose.
            2) Human value, objectively depend on God and being made in His image. Without a transcendent source of truth and meaning you are left with nothing.
            An old catechism contains this question and answer:
            What is man’s chief purpose? To glorify God and enjoy Him forever.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            God created Man to glorify himself? Why would an immortal, omnipotent being want glorification, anyway?

          • This style ten and six

            You are ignorant of basic biology.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            I am fairly well versed in biology. As a former engineer I marvel at God’s creation. I just don’t buy into atheist mythology.
            In fact, I am so well versed in biology I can recognize the purpose of male and female.

          • Sum Tin Wong

            Is that what you terr your wife after a night out on the town?

          • Sum Tin Wong

            When your rover ejacurate into your rectum, do you ever wondur about sanctification?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Remained with religion where some of the believers think they are hollier than thou? No thank you very much.

          • Ronald Carter

            Is it your place to say that entire congregations of people, especially ones gathered together for the express purpose of worshiping God, are going to hell?

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            It is God who says these things. Those who deny what God says are not worshiping Him.

          • Ronald Carter

            God says no such thing. You are merely choosing to interpret it as such. I am fine with people answering to God, but not with someone judging using his own interpretation of what God says.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
            27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (Rom 1:26-27 KJV)
            If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (Lev 20:13 KJV)
            Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
            10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
            11 And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God. (1Co 6:9-11 NAS)
            The word ‘homosexual here is the Greek ‘arsenokoites’ and is literally ‘man bedder’. and derives from the Greek LXX version of Leviticus 20:13.

          • Ronald Carter

            Those words say absolutely nothing about discounting homosexuals from being Christians.

            If you elect to believe those are the words of God, that’s your choice. If you elect to believe that those are the words of God and refer to homosexuality, that is also your choice. However, many Christians would disagree with you.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Most “Christians” are not Christians at all.

          • Ronald Carter

            And whose call is that to make?

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            It’s God’s call, and He has defined who is and is not a Christian in the Scriptures.

          • Ronald Carter

            As long as you realize that there are many, many people who disagree with you. Christian and otherwise.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil (Exo 23:2 KJV)
            I care only what God thinks.

          • Ronald Carter

            And to those who don’t believe the Bible is the word of God, your words mean nothing, and to other Christians, your words could mean ANYTHING.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            If my words mean nothing, why are you arguing with me? It’s because you know God exists and are trying desperately to suppress that knowledge. And that is why you all hate real Christians, We remind you God is, He is holy and He hates sin.

          • Ronald Carter

            I don’t “hate” any Christians, but the ones who try to tell other Christians that they are not Christians at all deserve nothing but scorn. Also, I wish you wouldn’t put words in my mouth and tell me what I believe. I never said God didn’t exist, but I think your version of him is a joke, a jealous, tyrannical monster that I want no part of.

          • Sum Tin Wong

            Yup, man ejacurating into other man’s rectum must be preasing to God, if you say so.

          • This style ten and six

            Even when it means diminishing the value of another human being.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            The value of a person is based on him having being created in the image of God. Sodomites dishonor that image and devalue themselves.

          • This style ten and six

            Tell me something that has always puzzled me. You use the term ‘sodomite’, based on the mythical city of Sodom. Does this relate to gay men who have anal sex or all gay men? (Many of them don’t) Does it include women who love women? Does it include heterosexual couples who indulge in anal sex?

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Jude 1:7 KJV)
            Sodomite refers to those who go after strange flesh, that is, sex outside of the natural purpose and function of God’s creation, a man and a woman engaged in natural intercourse. All anal sex is sodomy, but it is not limited to that, as the expression “giving themselves over to fornication”, from the Greek ἐκπορνεύσασαι, refers to those who habitually engage in unlawful sex, a lifestyle of immorality and perversion.
            But you were just seeking to change the discussion, weren’t you?

            Did you note that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah as an example for you, a warning to you?

          • This style ten and six

            At one time going after strange flesh included, for want of a better term, ‘white/black’ marriage. Even baptists have gotten over this, or at least I hope they have. In time rational people can only hope that this irrational hatred of LGBT+ people will fade away.

            We are fortunate here in Canada that this seems to be happening. The premier of Ontario is a married lesbian. I am proud to say that this was not a factor one way or the other in her election campaign.

            And for your information there is no archeological evidence that Sodom and Gomorrah ever existed.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            The Scriptures never say that. In fact Moses took a woman from the area of Sudan as wife. Race as it is currently understood, is not a biblical concept.
            Canada is fading away. An immoral people can not endure.
            Since God destroyed Sodom with fire from heaven, how much do you think would remain?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Nope, I can still find Canada on a map. Just like other nations who have SSM for a while now.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Wait awhile.
            You probably don’t know this, but homosexuality itself is evidence of God’s wrath against a society. He ceases to restrain the wickedness of people and gives them over to this sin.

          • This style ten and six

            Oh boy, you’re a laugh and a half, you should go on the halls. Sin is just in your head, keep it there.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

          • This style ten and six

            I was referring to the situation in the US, where there were miscegenation laws until a SCOTUS decision in 1967. These were introduced and upheld by Christians. Please don’t say they were not as only Christians ever got elected back then. Still much the case today come to think of it.

            If you look at ll the indicators Canada is doing very well and becoming more liberal, I am happy to say. We may not have a formal division of church and state but there is no church that can affect our legislators. We have no abortion law, gay marriage has been legal for over ten years and now we have some limited access to assisted death.

            I count myself lucky to be a Canadian.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            I know what you were referring to.
            Yes I know Canada is going to hell. Not long ago my wife said in regard to the sate of the U.S. “maybe we’ll have to move to Canada’. I promptly informed her Canada was even more anti-Christian and godless than the United States.

          • This style ten and six

            Thought about El Salvador?

          • Edward MacGuire

            I’m glad you feel that way as we have more than enough religious nutters here as it is.
            On the plus side, their numbers are rapidly declining.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            How about a cultural exchange program? We’ll take all those who love God and keep His Commandments, and send you all those who don’t.

          • Sum Tin Wong

            I can terr you are a faggot. Wirr now scrorr down to read your other faggoty posts.

          • FJ

            Shalom
            I know you think it is hate from those who believe the bible words and not man’s doctrines & constantly changing determinants of what is worthy & worthwhile to spend a life doing. Actually it is the greater love to say to someone they are participating in a train wreck by indulging in this behaviour even when there is a great expectation of being laughed at or considered a horridly biased and hateful being. To cry out the warning is an act of love just like not wanting anyone to die from drink driving….& trying to convince them to take a taxi or hide their keys till they are sober.The whole point is the behaviour that man condones as a choice that is legitimate & a benefit is any thing but life affirming as far as the Creator of us determined. It actually totally excludes a person from eternal life but when man has been conditioned to bread & circuses being all there is to life then whatever gratification a person chooses from his own moral compass is sufficient justification for being whilst denying the Creator who desires eternal life which is far greater. May those who say they follow Christ read Mat 5:17-19 where Jesus says he did not come to do away with one jot or tittle of the Law….and wake up to the danger they put themselves in by not running the race according to the rules. Bless Stephen Anderson for being honest with the Word of God if not anything else in your eyes. Blessings to the Gospels enemies for repentance unto life too. It is shameful that the ‘shepherds’ are teaching these false things in these last days.

          • Sum Tin Wong

            No True Scotsman ret another man ejacurate in his bum! Many raffs – faggots rike you.

    • Jalapeno

      Maybe they’re doing it because they think it’s right and it’s important to people who aren’t gay…

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    What went wrong with the white men’s churches in the West? Homosexuality is a sin which the Holy Bible condemns clearly. Sins can never be solemized. Sin is slavery, and homosexuality is a depraved sin. Female ordination has been truly deadly to Christendom. Mankind should not be bullied by the powerful secular West for not-supporting the perversion and mental illness. Christianity, morality, and normality are human rights.

    • This style ten and six

      We are lucky that the great majority in Canada is less bigoted than you.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Today’s Canadians are well-tamed by the liberals. Canada was an excellent Christian nation until the 1960’s, so I heard, since the nation’s creation purpose was spreading Christianity. Canada needs Biblical truth from the real Christians today in order to obtain life. Read all the verses of Canadian national anthem. It’s a hymn dedicated to God of the Holy Bible.

  • Nidalap

    Just a little chaos and insanity as space-time winds down…

  • axelbeingcivil

    Yes, it is a church. You don’t need to use scare quotes.

    • TheKingOfRhye

      That’s what I wondering about when I saw that headline. A church is still a church even if they’re doing things that aren’t “truly Christian” (which is basically what a lot of commenters here are saying), right?

    • Ronald Carter

      That’s the second time I’ve seen them called scare quotes. I was calling them disapproving quotes but I like scare quotes much better. It’s closer to the truth.

  • Mart1963

    The Anglican church of England was formed by King Henry VIII in anger over the Pope’s refusal
    to grant his divorce as it went went against Church teaching. This gay agenda also goes against the Word of God but is being embraced by this back slidden church.

    The supreme governor of the Anglican church of England is the head of the royal family of England and it seems that she is pushing this gay agenda through before her son becomes the head to make him more acceptable to the public.

    US tabloid claims Prince Charles is gay, splashes photos of …

    • hytre64

      The Queen may be the *nominal* head, but the actual head of the Anglican CoE is the Archbishop of Canterbury. I have great respect for Her Majesty, and don’t believe that she is pushing the Gay agenda.

      • Mart1963

        ADVOCATE

        03.08.16 12:27 AM ET

        No, the Queen Was Not Against Gay Marriage

        Palace staffers are pushing back hard against a report that Elizabeth wasn’t pleased about legalizing same-sex marriage in Britain.

        Senior sources at Buckingham Palace were pushing back hard Monday against claims that Queen Elizabeth was opposed to gay marriage when it was introduced in the U.K. in 2013.

        The Mail makes the astonishing claim—which goes against Her Majesty’s reputation for tolerance and open-mindedness—in a new series penned by gossip columnist Richard Kay launching in the paper today.

        Palace staff—many of whom are gay—are hamstrung by the fact that the queen maintains strict political neutrality and would never publicly comment either way about issues such as same-sex marriage.

        However, one courtier did make an explicit—for them— denunciation of the claims by emailing The Daily Beast a link to a piece in Pink News in which the gay TV presenter and comedian Stephen Fry recounted the following story: “When the queen signed the Royal Assent for the Equal Marriages Act, allowing gay people to marry for the first time, she put it down and said ‘Well, who’d have thought 62 years ago when I came to the throne, I’d be signing something like this? Isn’t it wonderful?’”

  • Reason2012

    Anglican Church of Canada votes to change what God defined and what God calls sinful behavior, to now elevate their own opinions over God’s. No one needs to wonder how that’s going to go when they face God. Born again believers in God that are in that church need to leave and find a church that’s being led by God, not led by satan.

  • David Stockman

    I had another look at the photos of Sodom and Gomorrah. It appears God got it wrong when He called their actions an abomination and He left the cities in ruin. After all, if the church blesses something that God called an abomination, the church must be right and God wrong.. To think I actually thought the Anglican Church believed what the Bible says and believed the Word of God. As an Anglican, I suppose its getting time to look at a church that does believe God.

    Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      So you have no problem that a Anglican priest can get married, that a woman can become a priest in your church, which I both think in some peoples eyes is a sin, but have a problem with homosexuals getting married in your church? I think the Anglican church is one.of the few that actually lives in the 21first century. I remember a friend of my sis who got.married in a Anglican church and the priest talking about family life. He knew what he was talking about since he was a grandfather.

      • Sum Tin Wong

        Such incrusive church! Angricans now bress two men ejacurating into each other’s rectums – very progreshive!

    • This style ten and six

      I did not know that photography was around back then. Was it digital or were they still relying on film?

      • Sum Tin Wong

        Typicar faggot condeshenshion. Many raffs.

  • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

    The apostasy grows.

  • Mart1963

    ADVOCATE

    03.08.16 12:27 AM ET

    No, the Queen Was Not Against Gay Marriage

    Palace staffers are pushing back hard against a report that Elizabeth wasn’t pleased about legalizing same-sex marriage in Britain.

    Senior sources at Buckingham Palace were pushing back hard Monday against claims that Queen Elizabeth was opposed to gay marriage when it was introduced in the U.K. in 2013.

    The Mail makes the astonishing claim—which goes against Her Majesty’s reputation for tolerance and open-mindedness—in a new series penned by gossip columnist Richard Kay launching in the paper today.

    Palace staff—many of whom are gay—are hamstrung by the fact that the queen maintains strict political neutrality and would never publicly comment either way about issues such as same-sex marriage.

    However, one courtier did make an explicit—for them— denunciation of the claims by emailing The Daily Beast a link to a piece in Pink News in which the gay TV presenter and comedian Stephen Fry recounted the following story: “When the queen signed the Royal Assent for the Equal Marriages Act, allowing gay people to marry for the first time, she put it down and said ‘Well, who’d have thought 62 years ago when I came to the throne, I’d be signing something like this? Isn’t it wonderful?’”

  • Ho Ri Fuk

    Beware peopre – Jarapeno have the power of the “brock”! What a tip top faggot! Many raffs.

  • Harry Oh!

    33,000 Christian denominations world-wide are proof that organized religion cannot be trusted to properly interpret God’s word and incidents like this make that fact crystal clear.

  • pigesol

    Luke 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
    Is what Jesus is asking to every human been that carries the name of “Christian”; and for every sin including the LBGT behavior “what is written in the law?

    Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    ¿what is missing in the christian world?
    From the book “The Education” of a christian author, Elena White I found the answer to this question…
    “The greatest want of the world is the want of men—men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall. {Ed 57.3}
    But such a character is not the result of accident; it is not due to special favors or endowments of Providence. A noble character is the result of self-discipline, of the subjection of the lower to the higher nature—the surrender of self for the service of love to God and man. {Ed 57.4}

    ¿which is the solution for the sinner who want to leave their sins?
    Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    As Chirst warned us, “Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot” {Luk 17:28} , Christ is comming very soon to save not every one, but ¿who?
    Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

    May the Lord help you to be prepared for this glorious moment..