GOP Platform Calls for Constitutional Personhood Amendment, Defunding of Planned Parenthood

Ultrasound-pdWASHINGTON — In what is being called the most pro-life platform to date, the Republican Party’s platform committee agreed on Tuesday to adopt language calling for a constitutional amendment protecting children in the womb, as well as the defunding of the abortion giant Planned Parenthood.

“The Constitution’s guarantee that no one can be deprived of life, liberty, or property deliberately echoes the Declaration of Independence’s proclamation that ‘all’ are ‘endowed by their Creator’ with the right to life,” it reads. “Accordingly, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed.”

“We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to children before birth,” the platform continues. “We oppose the use of public funds to perform or promote abortion or to fund organizations, like Planned Parenthood, that perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage.”

Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins is among those who are sitting in the committee this year. He told reporters that he believes delegates will “come away with one of the most conservative platforms the party’s ever had.”

The text must still be approved officially at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio next week.

The abortion giant Planned Parenthood, however, decried the language and asserted that Republicans seek to keep women from obtaining health care.

“The Republican Party leadership is once again showing that they will stop at nothing—no matter how many women’s lives they put in danger, no matter how much violent rhetoric they embrace, and no matter how much the public disagrees with them—to prevent women from accessing critical reproductive health care like cancer screenings and STD tests,” Dawn Laguens, executive vice president of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, said in a statement.

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The pro-life advocacy group Created Equal flew a banner over the city of Cleveland on Wednesday that read “Rescue Unborn Children” and featured an image of a 15-week aborted baby. Created Equal plans to do the same at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, but with a banner that reads “Defend Unborn Children.”

“We seek to expose the injustice of abortion to the light of human conscience and air of national opinion because our society has advanced the lie that the preborn are not human,” Executive Director Mark Harrington told the Philadelphia Voice. “Words alone are inadequate to describe the brutal deaths preborn babies experience every day.”

As previously reported, the Democratic Party unashamedly announced last week that it was including unprecedented language in its platform in support of Planned Parenthood and abortion in general.

“We believe unequivocally that every woman should have access to quality reproductive health care services, including safe and legal abortion—regardless of where she lives, how much money she makes, or how she is insured,” the text reads in part.

“We believe that reproductive health is core to women’s, men’s, and young people’s health and well-being. We will continue to stand up to Republican efforts to defund Planned Parenthood health centers, which provide critical health services to millions of people,” it says.


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  • Josey

    The abortion giant Planned Parenthood, however, decried the language and asserted that Republicans seek to keep women from obtaining health care.

    “The Republican Party leadership is once again showing that they will stop at nothing—no matter how many women’s lives they put in danger, no matter how much violent rhetoric they embrace, and no matter how much the public disagrees with them—to prevent women from accessing critical reproductive health care like cancer screenings and STD tests,” Dawn Laguens, executive vice president of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, said in a statement.

    Having a baby is a natural process for most women and not having access to abortion, killing a baby, is not putting a woman’s life in danger. Women can still be screened for cancer and STD in all medical facilities. Planned Parenthood’s logic is ridiculous and sounds desperate to keep the killing of the unborn going.

    • Jalapeno

      You do know that many women actually do rely on PP for a lot of health care, right?

      There are places where there aren’t decent, clean facilities that will take government insurance.

      • TheBottomline4This

        So? What’s your point?

        • Jalapeno

          So..you don’t care if women lose access to pap smears, birth control pills, etc?

          • TheBottomline4This

            Do you care when an Abortion happens?

          • Jalapeno

            Absolutely.

          • TheBottomline4This

            How so?

          • Jalapeno

            ..Uhm, what?

            Are you asking why I care about unborn babies dying? Really?

          • TheBottomline4This

            Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

          • Jalapeno

            Pro-choice.

            I also don’t like the idea of unborn babies being killed. It’s sad, I don’t like the idea of it happening, and it kinda makes me sick to my stomach.

          • TheBottomline4This

            But that’s what pro-choice is…all for the “rights” of the woman to choose what to do with her body, but the innocent baby has no say.

          • Jalapeno

            People can want something to be legal without actually supporting it.

            So..unless you’re going to continue accusing me of not caring about death and being heartless or whatever else helps you feel better…

            I simply commented that many women do rely on PP for reliable access to those services, and dismissing it like the person I replied to did is…questionable.

          • TheBottomline4This

            No. What is questionable is you saying you’re pro-choice, but sickened by Abortion. You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. How can you support Abortions in any way? Sons and daughters have been slaughtered at the hand of their own Moms going in to have them killed by an Abortionist who is right under satan in my book. The innocent baby is torn apart and discarded like yesterday’s’ trash. THAT is disgusting.

            “People can want something to be legal without actually supporting it.” Using your logic, would you go along with pedophilia becoming legal at some point even though you wouldn’t support the idea itself?

          • Jalapeno

            ” Using your logic, would you go along with pedophilia becoming legal at some point even though you wouldn’t support the idea itself?”

            That depends..

            First off, I’m assuming you mean ‘child molestation’. Being a pedophile isn’t illegal.

            What’s the legal reasoning though? Have we decided as a country that children can legally consent?

            I make a distinction between things that I like and things that I want to be legal. It’s really not that complicated.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Wow. And here is an example of the kind of sick thinking that is in the world folks.

          • Jalapeno

            Do you just want everything to be illegal simply because you think its immoral?

            Should adultery be a crime? Putting animals down because you can’t afford the vet bills?

            Should people be arrested for divorcing someone?

            Porn involving rape or abuse?

          • axelbeingcivil

            Porn involving actual rape or actual abuse IS illegal.

          • Jalapeno

            Yes..but porn showing fake rape and abuse is not.

          • axelbeingcivil

            Indeed, but you didn’t specify. It’s a very important distinction.

          • axelbeingcivil

            People can support access to something they consider necessary without thinking it’s desirable.

            For example, someone may find killing in self-defense to be awful; to want non-lethal methods more available than lethal ones; to ensure lethal use of force, even when justified, is as minimally used as possible. Said person may think that people should be allowed to use lethal force when necessary in self-defense, as it sometimes is, but still find the thing itself distasteful.

          • Amos Moses

            Jalapeno-isms …………..

            “I also don’t like the idea of unborn babies being killed. It’s sad, I don’t like the idea of it happening, and it kinda makes me sick to my stomach.”

            But wait …………… there is more ………………..

            “So..since the actual active act of killing the fetus before removing it from the womans body isn’t the problem, try switching your thinking to “why is it okay to not let the fetus live in the womans body” for a while.”

            “People have the right to refuse to keep someone else alive with their own body.”

            “You’re saying that it’s not okay to actively kill the fetus.
            So..it should be more okay if we simply let them die on their own, right?”

            “No one, whether they are a fetus or an adult, have irrevocable access to another persons body.”

            Yes …………. it makes my tummy hurt ……….. but we should allow the killing of children ………. because it is “nondiscriminatory” ………. self contradiction and self refuting Bovine Scatology 101 ………. post modernist claptrap ……… and mental disease ……….

          • Jalapeno

            What self contradiction do you think is there?

            Do you think its a contradiction to support a persons ability to do something while hoping that it never happens?

          • Amos Moses

            Do you think its a contradiction to support a persons ability to do something while hoping that it never happens?

            Yeah ………. like driving towards a cliff at 60MPH and hoping you dont go over ….. yeah …. smart ……….. the self contradictory part ………. that surprises no one that you dont see ….. is that it hurts your tummy ………….. but you will not do anything, wont put a stop to it ……. even thought, on a certain level …… you know what the right thing to do is so your tummy wont hurt ……… and you encourage others in that same reckless behavior and disregard for common sense …….. and the truth …………

          • Jalapeno

            “like driving towards a cliff at 60MPH and hoping you dont go over”

            Not at all.

            ” but you will not do anything, wont put a stop to it ”

            Not sure how you don’t grasp this.

            Wanting something to not happen does not mean that I want to violate someones rights to keep it from happening.

          • Amos Moses

            “Wanting something to not happen does not mean that I want to violate someones rights to keep it from happening.”

            Not sure how you don’t grasp this.

            Killing another IS A VIOLATION OF THEIR RIGHTS ….. their size, location, environment or degree of dependence makes no difference ……. yet you do not see the self contradictory statements and Bovine Scatology you spout ……………. AGAIN AND AGAIN ………….

          • Jalapeno

            Baby steps, dude.

            First off…do you want to ban everything just because you don’t like it?

            Do you want to make (fake) rape porn illegal? Do you want to make divorce illegal? Should people be charged with a crime for adultery?

          • Amos Moses

            You cant even take a baby step ………….. but you are the one supporting murder …… by fiat ….. for some perceived “violation of rights” ……. that the “violated person” took a risk upon themselves ……………….. but the other side are extremists ……..

            Your rights END at the tip of the other persons nose ……………… murder is not a right ……

          • Jalapeno

            Do you want to make porn depicting rape illegal?

            Do you like the fact that the porn exists?

          • Amos Moses

            Deflection ………

          • Jalapeno

            Not at all.

            There were two issues.

            A) Whether or not thinking something is sad means that you should fight to make it illegal

            B) Whether or not a womans right to an abortion is important

            I’m talking about issue A.

            Should something be made illegal just because you don’t like it? Should porn depicting rape be illegal?

          • Amos Moses

            More Deflection ………..

          • Jalapeno

            Nope.

            I guess the questions too hard to answer honestly though.

          • Amos Moses

            Dont respond to deflection ……………. porn is not a part of this dicussion …

          • Jalapeno

            I explained how it was relevant.

          • Amos Moses

            Your explanation does not ring true ……….. the discussion is about the murder of children and abortion ………. if you want to talk about porn ….. i am sure there is a discussion else where ………..

          • Jalapeno

            It’s relevant because the issue at hand was whether or not having a distaste for something meant you couldn’t support someone’s right to do it.

          • Amos Moses

            Cant even see the contradiction can you ……………… hence ……… mental disease …. self refuting, oxymoronic, self defeating argument ……….. in other words ………. post modernism ………..

          • Jalapeno

            Okay..take a step back.

            It’s a contradiction if and only if there is no way to support someones right to do something without actually wanting that thing to happen.

            So..if your assertion was true, that would mean that anything you dislike, such as (I’m assuming) rape porn, would also be something you want to make illegal.

            Do you want to make rape porn illegal?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Baby steps?!?”

            You don’t let them out of the womb to take their first baby steps.

            Poor choice of words, as usual.

          • Jalapeno

            I thought people would get a kick out of it. Irony, humor, etc.

            “You don’t let them out of the womb to take their first baby steps.”

            Do you think that I’m trying to force women into having abortions or something?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            The baby gets no choice.

            To take the baby steps.

            You pro-aborts always leave the baby out.

            How come?

            Your humor is about as good as that of a concentration camp guard’s “humor.”

          • Jalapeno

            “You don’t let them out of the womb to take their first baby steps.”

            I’m asking about the statement that you made.

            *I* don’t let?

            Do you think I’m forcing women to get an abortion?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I think you are FOR forcing ANY child that the woman wants to abort to NOT be able to take baby steps.

            That’s what you keep forgetting: the child has no choice in the matter.

          • Jalapeno

            “I think you are FOR forcing ANY child that the woman wants to abort to NOT be able to take baby steps.”

            Then..why would you say that *I* am not letting them out of the womb?

            Trying to pretend like I’m actively preventing babies from being born?

            “That’s what you keep forgetting: the child has no choice in the matter.”

            Nope. Not even a little.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Trying to pretend like I’m actively preventing babies from being born?”

            You are FOR it.

            “Nope. Not even a little.”

            Yep, a lot.

          • Jalapeno

            “You are FOR it.”

            Not at all. I just don’t want people to be forced into it. I’d love it if every single pregnancy was carried to term.

            “Yep, a lot.”

            I’ve never forgotten that fact. Not once.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “I’d love it if every single pregnancy was carried to term.”

            But, you are FOR the “right” to commit the wrong of killing the innocent preborn human.

            Thus, your complicity.

          • Jalapeno

            “Thus, your complicity.”

            There’s a difference between wanting something to happen and supporting a persons right for it to happen.

            Sometimes..you need to decide what’s more important.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            There is no “right” to do a wrong.

            Just like with slavery – the slave didn’t get to choose. There was no “right” to be pro-choice on slavery.

          • Jalapeno

            “There is no “right” to do a wrong.”

            There are many things that are ‘wrong’ that people have a right to do.

            There are some rights that are worth protecting. Some people prefer to blindly protect life no matter the consequences..some people don’t.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “There are some rights that are worth protecting.”

            Like LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, in that order? 🙂

            “blindly protect life?!?”

            We are talking about an innocent preborn human here.

          • Jalapeno

            “We are talking about an innocent preborn human here.”

            Yes..so some people choose to ignore other peoples rights in order to blindly protect a life.

            Other people think that the mothers rights are worth something too.

            Of course..it’s easier to just pretend like the people who think the rights are balanced in favor of the mother don’t care about the kid at all eh?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Yes..so some people choose to ignore other peoples rights in order to blindly protect a life. Other people think that the mothers rights are worth something too.”

            The only people that I am aware of that take BOTH lives into consideration are pro-lifers.

          • Jalapeno

            “The only people that I am aware of that take BOTH lives into consideration are pro-lifers.”

            I am.

            So..not quite correct. Sure, you don’t really “know” me, but I’m telling you that exist.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            So, how does any lesser right (than the right to life of the mother) trump the right to life of the preborn human?

          • Jalapeno

            The right to life does not include the right to be kept alive on someone elses body, in every single other situation where a person is dependent on another persons body…they aren’t entitled to it.

            Sure, you can come up with all sorts of reasons why the woman having sex is some form of irrevocable consent or decide that a fetus gets special rights because it’s their mom..but..the precedence isn’t there.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Now you are diverting to legality and bodily autonomy. We have been down this road before.

            The former is a poor moral argument, given past human rights atrocities, and the later is not succeeding with abortion restrictions.

          • Jalapeno

            Yes..because people keep thinking that there are exceptions to the bodily autonomy argument overriding a persons right to life. So far, there are not.

            It’s not a “diversion” though, it’s my stance. It’s a counterpoint to your assumption that people simply don’t care about the fetus.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Of course there are exceptions to bodily autonomy – there are always restrictions on bodily autonomy, like in cases of rape, murder, etc.

            Which is why the argument has been defeated and lost in restricting abortion – at the state and international levels.

          • Jalapeno

            When does one person get irrevocable access to another persons body because they need to be kept alive with it?

            “there are always restrictions on bodily autonomy”

            Are you referring to collections for persecution or are you under the impression that bodily autonomy is violated by having restrictions on what you do with your body?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            The comparison of not donating a kidney to abortion is a false equivalency, and you know it.

          • Jalapeno

            Well it’s not an actual equivalency.

            It’s more of a precedence for the idea that one persons need to be kept alive does not override another persons right to control who has access to their body.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Again, legal precedence does not make morality.

            If it did, then slavery never would have been abolished.

          • Jalapeno

            “Again, legal precedence does not make morality.”

            Never said it did.

            Remember though, something being immoral does not automatically mean that you want it to be illegal.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            When the immoral act kills innocents – 3000 a day, then, yes, I do want it to be illegal.

            Why wouldn’t anyone?!?

          • Jalapeno

            As I’ve said before..some people think that things can be more important than blindly protecting life.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Like a nose job, not fitting into a wedding dress, and a porn career – to name 3 examples.

            Gosh, “protecting innocent life” sounds like a pretty good ideal to me. Seems like that is “compassion” defined. I think of doctors, nurses, policemen, and firemen.

            Aren’t the ones who are “blind” really those who would advocate for death for 3000 innocents daily who have committed no crime whatsoever?

            At least some of the people in Nice, France had a chance to get away. The human in the womb has near zero chance to survive an abortion.

          • Jalapeno

            Haha, wow, you’re just going in the deep end with all the ridiculous comparisons.

            “Aren’t the ones who are “blind” really those who would advocate for death for 3000 innocents daily who have committed no crime whatsoever?”

            You are aware that many of these people who support the womans right to terminate a pregnancy also advocate for the things that also reduce unwanted pregnancies…like access to birth control through Planned Parenthood?

            So..again, your choice to pretend that the people who are pro-choice simply care nothing about life is a lazy and intellectually dishonest choice.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            So, are you saying that you are NOT FOR the “right” of every single one of the ~ 3000 women who had an abortion today to have had that abortion?

            And if you are, as I believe, FOR that “right,” then who speaks for the humans who got killed today – and what did YOU do to speak for them?

          • Jalapeno

            “then who speaks for the humans who got killed today – and what did YOU do to speak for them”

            Who speaks for the people who die because they don’t have access to the organs they need?

            Who speaks for the fetuses that are killed that wouldn’t have been in that situation if their mom had access to birth control?

            Who speaks for the women who died getting unsafe abortions because they didn’t have access to safe ones?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            So, no answer to both of my questions. Got it.

            Now I will answer yours.

            “Who speaks for the people who die because they don’t have access to the organs they need?”

            Organ donor agencies. 🙂

            (Terrible false equivalency, BTW. Those who do not get access to organs are NOT intentionally killed like the human in the womb. Just REALLY poor thinking on your part.)

            “Who speaks for the fetuses that are killed that wouldn’t have been in that situation if their mom had access to birth control?”

            Me and those on the sidewalks. Most abortions are due to failed contraception, or the choice to not use it, not lack of it. You may be young, but contraception has been readily available since the 1970’s.

            “Who speaks for the women who died getting unsafe abortions because they didn’t have access to safe ones?”

            Me when we tell women that killing their preborn children – legally or otherwise – is dangerous on numerous counts. And we speak for the babies too, unlike you, based on your non-answer.

          • Jalapeno

            “Organ donor agencies. :-)”

            Why aren’t you speaking for them? After all…it’s an absolute priority to make sure that EVERYONE has a chance to continue living, right?

            ” Most abortions are due to failed contraception”

            Seems like you should be fighting for the contraception that people can’t easily mess up..like IUDS. That saves lives. Why don’t you want women to have easy access to it?

            “Me when we tell women that killing their preborn children – legally or otherwise – is dangerous on numerous counts”

            And..how many of them do you tell how dangerous pregnancy is?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Why aren’t you speaking for them?”

            Why aren’t YOU?!? Haha! Now you are getting delusional.

            Perhaps it is because 3000 people are not dying each day due to lack of organ donations. And, even if they were, it is a false equivalency to abortion.

            Imagine if 115 Sandy Hook shootings occurred each day in our nation. 365 days a year. (Actually, it would be more since school is not in session for 365 days.) Do you think that would get anyone’s attention? Well, that is the equivalent to how many preborn humans are killed each day in our country. Pretty sick that so few care, no?

            “And..how many of them do you tell how dangerous pregnancy is?”

            By the time I see them, they are already pregnant, Silly. 🙂

          • Jalapeno

            “Why aren’t YOU?!? Haha! Now you are getting delusional.”

            You’re the one who thinks that anytime you want something to not happen, you need to actively fight against it. It’s upsetting that so many people die without bothering to even check an organ donation box on their license, but it’s not a priority for me and I’m willing to admit it.

            You think that people dying because someone doesn’t want to give up their body..you’d think that adults with families to care about dying because someone else is too lazy and selfish to check a box after death would be a huge priority to you.

            “By the time I see them, they are already pregnant, Silly. :-)”

            “Me when we tell women that killing their preborn children – legally or otherwise – is dangerous on numerous counts”

            So..you warn them about their safety until they’re in the position to actually need to make the decision? Are you trying to scare them away from being pregnant at all while fighting against the organization that many women currently rely on to get proper birth control?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “You’re the one who thinks that anytime you want something to not happen, you need to actively fight against it.”

            No, I am the one who is actively protesting a crime against humanity.

            YOU are the one who is not only standing idly by while it happens, but, worse yet, is actually advocating FOR the “right” to commit the crime against humanity. HUGE difference.

            “He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetuate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.” — Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

            “Are you trying to scare them away from being pregnant at all”

            I don’t see them until they are pregnant.

            I also do not try to make women fearful of their bodies, like those on the other side of the issue.

            Besides, why would I do that, since not only is pregnancy perfectly natural, but it is required for the propagation of the species. Are you against the species propagating? 🙂

          • Jalapeno

            “No, I am the one who is actively protesting a crime against humanity.

            So..you only stand up for SOME people who are dying because other people want to protect their own bodies.

            “I don’t see them until they are pregnant.”

            So..do you tell them how dangerous pregnancy is? After all..you like facts, and the facts point to pregnancy being more dangerous for the woman than an abortion…and..you care about everyones life, right?

            “Are you against the species propagating? :-)”

            Not at all.

            “YOU are the one who is not only standing idly by while it happens”

            There’s nothing ‘idle’ about it. I just don’t blindly protect life regardless of the consequences. I also don’t pretend like I’ll stand up for all life while fighting AGAINST things to save lives.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “So..you only stand up for SOME people who are dying because other people want to protect their own bodies.”

            3000 preborn humans die every day NOT because anyone is “protecting their own body” but because of “choice.”

            “So..do you tell them how dangerous pregnancy is?”

            Asked and answered. 3000 women are not dying each day from pregnancy – I think it is about 2. And, unlike abortion, no one is intentionally killing them.

            “There’s nothing ‘idle’ about it. I just don’t blindly protect life regardless of the consequences.”

            No, you just stand on the sidelines while 3000 innocents are killed each day.

            “I also don’t pretend like I’ll stand up for all life while fighting AGAINST things to save lives.”

            Strawman. And a poor one at that – one that will not assuage your guilt either.

          • Jalapeno

            “3000 preborn humans die every day NOT because anyone is “protecting their own body” but because of “choice.””

            I was referring to the people who let their organs rot in a casket instead of saving a life, but yours is more accurate. Pregnancy is risky.

            Are you telling the pregnant women how risky pregnancy is, or are you just choosing to tell them about the consequences of abortion?

            “Strawman”

            Not at all. Access to contraception saves lives.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Are you telling the pregnant women how risky pregnancy is”

            No, they are already pregnant, so it is a little late. 🙂

            I am making sure they get good OB’s to deliver their babies – after I convince them NOT to kill their living babies.

            “are you just choosing to tell them about the consequences of abortion?”

            Yes! Not only for the moms but for the babies too!

            “Access to contraception saves lives.”

            How so? What lives exist that would not have existed if not for contraception? 🙂

            Technically, you have it backwards. 🙂

            You must have written that late at night to compare contraception access to rescuing existing humans from abortion. In fact, you might as well compare contraception access “saving lives” with firemen saving lives when they rush into a burning building. It makes about as much “sense.”

          • Jalapeno

            “No, they are already pregnant, so it is a little late”

            Not at all. They still have the right to terminate that pregnancy and avoid most of the risk. Do you tell them that? Do you make sure they know that abortion is less risky for her?

            “Yes! Not only for the moms but for the babies too!”

            Seems a bit dishonest to not tell them about the reality of the situation..to tell them what options they have.

            “Technically, you have it backwards”

            Not even a little bit.

            Unwanted pregnancies are more likely to end in abortion or miscarriage, they’re more likely to end in maternal fatalities too. Making sure that the only women who get pregnant are the ones who WANT the pregnancy and are physically ready for the pregnancy is a great way to put an end to a lot of those deaths.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “They still have the right to terminate that pregnancy”

            Not the moral right. That is what our discussion concerns, so you are being highly presumptive.

            “Do you tell them that?”

            Of course I do not give any woman the option to kill her child. I wouldn’t do it if she were about to toss her 6 month old baby off a bridge either. Apparently, you would. How sad.

            “Seems a bit dishonest to not tell them about the reality of the situation”

            Pure projection on your part. Your side is the one dehumanizing the human in the womb, and lying about the fact that a preborn baby is being killed during abortion. So when it comes to denying reality, you earn an A+.

            You failed to address how contraception access saves lives. You did not answer my question as to what lives exist, but would not exist, if contraception is not available. (Which is has been for decades.)

            “the ones who WANT the pregnancy”

            Please do not substitute the word “pregnancy” for “human in the womb.”

            It makes you look both callous and disingenuous.

          • Jalapeno

            “That is what our discussion concerns”

            No. The women *have* the right, period. Some people may think it’s immoral, but women can continue to get abortions.

            “Of course I do not give any woman the option to kill her child.”

            So..you don’t give them the information that might keep them safe? If you knew that they might be able to save their own life medically instead of their childs, would you tell them that?

            “Your side is the one dehumanizing the human in the womb, and lying about the fact that a preborn baby is being killed during abortion”

            I love how you accuse “my side” of being dishonest but can’t even use the accurate term. They’re a fetus…and you’re happily saying that you avoid giving women information.

            “You failed to address how contraception access saves lives”

            I addressed it directly.

            Unintended pregnancies cost lives.

            Contraception prevents unintended pregnancies.

            ” You did not answer my question as to what lives exist, but would not exist, if contraception is not available”

            Are you saying that there are no women out there that wouldn’t have gotten pregnant if they had proper access to birth control?

            “Please do not substitute the word “pregnancy” for “human in the womb.””

            Dont’…use the proper term? Interesting request. That’s literally what it is..some women don’t want to BE PREGNANT.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “No. The women *have* the right, period. Some people may think it’s immoral, but women can continue to get abortions.”

            Thank you for conceding my point: legal does not make moral. If it did, then it was moral to own black people.

            So, no, she does not “have the right period.” You say she does, I say she does not. That is the debate.

            “So..you don’t give them the information that might keep them safe?”

            I do not give them information that will tell them or encourage them to kill their child. I would never do that and would wonder about the sanity of any person who would. That information is sadly readily available from your morally depraved side, AND, besides, I am talking to them at an abortion mill, so they already know that. Duh!

            “I love how you accuse “my side” of being dishonest but can’t even use the accurate term. They’re a fetus”

            ba·by
            [ bey-bee]
            NOUN [PLURAL BA·BIES.]
            1. an infant or very young child.
            2. a newborn or very young animal.
            3. the youngest member of a family, group, etc.
            4. an immature or childish person.
            5. a human fetus.

            Dictionaries are a wonderful thing – for those who are not attempting to dehumanize the human in the womb.

            You STILL did not answer my question as to what lives exist, but would not exist, if contraception is not available.

            You seem to think that a live that is not conceived is somehow a life that is saved. That is not true. When we save a life at the abortion mill, that is a life that exists that continues to exist, but would not have existed had we not been there.

            “That’s literally what it is..some women don’t want to BE PREGNANT.”

            I thought you were doing the old “terminate a pregnancy” euphemism for killing the human in the womb. If not, my apology.

          • Jalapeno

            “Thank you for conceding my point: legal does not make moral.”

            Never said it did.

            “You say she does, I say she does not.”

            Women LITERALLY have the right to an abortion. That’s a fact. Yes..some people are trying to restrict / remove that right, but as of now…it’s there.

            “I do not give them information that will tell them or encourage them to kill their child.”

            Are you also in favor of making sure that women get ultrasounds to get a full view of the kid and telling them in depth about the risks of abortion just so they get “all the information”?

            “Dictionaries are a wonderful thing”

            You’re not even using the word “baby”. You’re making up new levels of emotionally slanted terms.

            “You STILL did not answer my question as to what lives exist, but would not exist”

            Are you saying that there are no women who got pregnant but would not have gotten pregnant if they had proper access to birth control? That’s the only way your question would make sense..but..sure, I’ll spell it out to make it easy for you.

            Some women get pregnant because they do not have access to the birth control that would actually suit them best. Those kids would not exist if their mother had access to that birth control.

            “I thought you were doing the old “terminate a pregnancy” euphemism for killing the human in the womb. If not, my apology.”

            See..there seems to be a misconception in your way of thinking.

            Women don’t go around saying “I WANT TO MURDER THIS HUMAN BEING LIVING INSIDE OF ME BECAUSE I DON’T WANT THEM TO LIVE”.

            It’s a situation where they can’t deal with the pregnancy. The ending of the pregnancy is the goal. You also seem to be under the impression that “terminating a pregnancy” isn’t an accurate term. It is.

            “the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.”

          • Josey

            they can’t see that ‘not violating another’s right’ violates the right of the most vulnerable.

          • Amos Moses

            Willful blindness ………..

          • Becky

            “Jalepeno-isms” LOL!!

      • Josey

        they have obamacare or medicaid and can get health care and there are many free clinics and I don’t consider abortion clinics sterile or decent or clean facilities.

        • Jalapeno

          Medicaid doesn’t do any good if you can’t find doctors offices that take it. PP does.

          Free clinics often have long waits and many won’t provide anything more than a single generic pill, if that.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Free clinics also do not kill humans.

          • Jalapeno

            They’re not a solution to the “we need poor women to have access to birth control” problem.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Sure they are. And they don’t kill humans.

            Why are you such an abortion apologist?

          • Jalapeno

            Free clinics often have long waiting lists for any kind of basic womens healthcare, and they often don’t do things like IUDS or anything other than basic, generic pills.

            Some of them don’t even offer medical contraception at all. How is that possibly a solution?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            They offer everything you need and there are tons more of them than abortuaries.

            Isn’t it worth a little wait to not support places who kill the innocent?

          • Jalapeno

            Are you saying that every free health clinic out there provides IUDs?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            No, I’m saying that no free clinic kills the innocent preborn human.

            But, there are, what, 8000 free clinics in Amerika? Surely you can find one near you that offers what you need.

            So you do not have to be complicit in the killing.

          • Jalapeno

            “But, there are, what, 8000 free clinics in Amerika? Surely you can find one near you that offers what you need.”

            I’m getting the sneaking suspicion that you don’t actually care if women have access to birth control.

            Let me guess…they should just make do with condoms or stop having sex, right?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Why do you keep diverting when I provide facts that contradict your presuppositions?

          • Jalapeno

            That’s not a fact that contradicts it at all.

            Free health clinics are not a solution. The fact that there’s a lot of them DOES NOT MEAN it’s a solution.

            There are a lot of clinics that do nothing more than provide condoms and *basic* std testing.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Your repeating false information over and over does not make it true.

          • Jalapeno

            There are counties where the ONLY place to get actual decent contraception is PP.

            So..did you want to slowly start forcing those clinics to provide the needed contraception?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Citation please.

  • TheBottomline4This

    Most Liberals are so into death. Abortions, assisted suicides, death of certain things in culture, They are blinded to what they really are supporting.
    Yet, they cry for gun control to “save lives”.
    Hypocrites much?

  • TheBottomline4This

    Most Liberals are so into death. Abortions, assisted suicides, death of certain things in culture, They are blinded to what they really are supporting.
    Yet, they cry for gun control to “save lives”.
    Hypocrites much?

  • WorldGoneCrazy

    “every woman should have access to quality reproductive health care services, including safe and legal abortion”

    By the time the killing starts, the reproducing is long over.

    “Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter. If you say, “But we knew nothing about this, does not He who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not He who guards your life know it? Will He not repay everyone for what they have done?” — Proverbs 24:11-12

  • james blue

    Every place a personhood amendment has been tried it has lost the vote.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Not the vote, you mean it has been struck down by activist judges, correct?

      Just as in the Dred Scott decision, blacks were not considered persons / citizens in a Constitutional sense.

      • james blue

        No, I mean the vote. Personhood has lost every time it was on the ballot

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          Citation please.

          I thought it had been passed at the state levels, but struck down by judges.

          Perhaps both situations have occurred?

          • james blue

            Answered with links and it has gone into moderation “pending” limbo which if past experience is anything to go by means it will never publish.

            There are plenty of reports for citation, use the search engine of your choice to search “personhood fails on every ballot”

            Check out personhood ballot results in N Dakota, Colorado and Mississippi. the wide margin by which they failed and the number of times they failed.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            OK, thanks.

            So back to your original post. Were you under the impression that, because attempts to correct a human rights violation are unsuccessful, that means that such attempts should NOT be made?

            Because the abolition of both slavery and the slave trade would be excellent counterexamples to that logic – and eerily similar to the restricting of “personhood.”

          • james blue

            No it was a statement of reality, A constitutional amendment on personhood stands no chance if deeply conservative states like Mississippi can’t get it on a state constitution.
            People tend to vote to restrict freedoms of others such as gay marriage, but when their own freedoms might be restricted (and personhood doesn’t just deal with abortion) then they are not so keen.

            Like it or not only a small percentage of US citizens are for banning abortion. The vast majority are for abortion being legal with some restrictions.

            I’m all for people campaigning to change minds, doesn’t mean I will agree with them and even if I do doesn’t mean I will agree with their tactics.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “No it was a statement of reality,”

            But, it was also a reality that William Wilberforce’s proposal to Parliament end the slave trade stood no chance of passing – for 20 years anyway. He kept at it, and now history labels him a hero and those who opposed him to be morally repugnant – of the worst order.

            “Like it or not only a small percentage of US citizens are for banning abortion. ”

            True for slavery as well. For decades. Most people really didn’t care about black people being owned and whipped. Very similar to abortion today.

          • james blue

            You asked if I was under the impression that, because attempts to correct a human rights violation are unsuccessful, that means that such attempts should NOT be made? And I answered NO and explained what I was saying.

            I haven’t suggested anyone “give up” I even said I’m all for people campaigning to change minds, so what is it you you think I’m saying that you are arguing against?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            My apologies, James. Please forgive. I got you – thanks for the clarification, and have a great night, Sir!

          • james blue

            You too, God bless

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            God bless you, Sir!

  • OlallaNicolasa

    Thank God. Finally there are voices trying to instill a dignified and civil society for our nation and realizing how bad the whole abortion epidemic is. I know that women get into situations that they regret and this is the bad side of free will. But responsbility and accountability are sorely lacking today and it’s hurtful and hateful that so many women that call themselves feminists proudly run around wearing their abortions like badges of honor. I’ll bet if we totally stopped funding abortions we could think about building safe, loving orphanages with vetted people. I’d happily volunteer to read and play with the younglings. I so want our country to find its way back to a place where death cult is quieted.

    • axelbeingcivil

      You’d “happily” volunteer? So you don’t already volunteer to help?

      If you don’t do it now, when you think it’s even worse, what on Earth makes you think you’d happily do so when there’s even less need for you?

      There are kids -right now- who need people to care for them; who come from broken homes or were put up for adoption but never found one. Foster parents with the time and money are badly needed. If you feel like you’d actually be willing and able to help, why are you not doing it now?

  • Mellow Fellow

    Legal abortions saved my life, the life of my mother, and the life of a friend with a brain tumor. The idea that there are no medical exceptions is an evil stance.

  • Roger Peritone

    How is it that any christian can pretend to be “pro-life” continues to astound me:
    abolishhumanabortion dot com slash 2014 slash 10 slash if-you-worship-god-who-has-killed.html
    Quote:
    “So the meme that gripes about God putting millions of babies to death
    is factually correct. God has in fact by now put probably billions of
    babies to death. And He is right to do so and glorified in doing so. But
    does that mean that abolitionists should shut up about abortion?”

    This is nothing else but supreme moral scizhoprenia.

    By the way? No PP fundung actually goes to abortions. They do however
    have contraceptive education programs which reduces pregnancies and
    therefore abortions.