‘Pope’-Endorsed Ecumenical ‘Together 2016’ Unites Christians, Catholics in Nation’s Capital

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WASHINGTON — Thousands of youth flocked to the National Mall in Washington, D.C. on Saturday for the ecumenical gathering “Together 2016,” which sought to unite those of various backgrounds to “stand together for Jesus,” and had been preceded by an online endorsement from “Pope Francis,” the head of Roman Catholicism.

The event featured speakers such as Francis Chan, Ravi Zacharias, Lou Engle, Christine Caine and Southern Baptist Convention President Ronnie Floyd, as well as music from Michael W. Smith, Hillsong United, Lecrae, Jeremy Camp, Lauren Daigle, Casting Crowns and Kirk Franklin, among others.

“Everything now is protests: ‘I’m against this’ or ‘I hate that.’ We really believe there is a longing to come together. We don’t have to agree on everything, but we can come together around the hope of Jesus,” organizer Nick Hall of PULSE told the Washington Post. “There are moments when God’s people come together, and God does something that can heal, change, define generations.”

Worship leader Matt Maher, who identifies as Roman Catholic, also told the outlet, “If we’re singing the same songs together, then we can’t yell at each other.” He has outlined at other ecumenical events that he believes it is his calling to work toward to the unification of Christians and Catholics.

“We’ve never seen a unified church before in the history of the church since the Reformation. We don’t even know what it looks like,” he said at OneThing 2015. “I think what the work of unity starts with [is]: It starts with us praying together. It starts with us fellowshiping together. It starts with us having a common respect for each other, a love for each other.”

A number of those on stage mentioned unity as they addressed the crowd, including Lecrae, who declared in prayer, “When Your word tells us how to pray, it doesn’t say, ‘Go and speak to your Father, go and speak to my Father.’ It says ‘Our Father.’ It’s collective. We are family. Let us pray as family, God. Coming together saying, ‘We care about one another.'”

Lou Engle spoke of racial divides, referencing the cities of Minneapolis, Ferguson and Dallas. Francis Chan asked those gathered if after praying and worshiping together, attendees would be willing to be rejected for Christ together.

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Liz Shedden, who serves as the director of Chan’s office, told Christian News Network that Chan “prays through the request” before agreeing to speak at an event, but that “he doesn’t look into many details surrounding the event, so he knows very little of the event itself.”

Casting Crowns frontman Mark Hall told reporters that he thought the gathering was timely considering recent headlines.

“[Our nation] is in a bit of a storm and a lot of people are hurting. It felt like everyone just came together and prayed it together,” he said.

But some had expressed concern prior to the event as organizer Nick Hall (no relation to Mark Hall) had announced that Jorge Bergoglio, also known as Pope Francis, would be delivering a video message to those in attendance.

“We are humbled and honored by his involvement and are eager to share his message with the crowd that gathers at Together 2016,” he told the Christian Post last month. “That His Holiness would choose to speak into this historic day is a testament to the urgency and the need for followers of Jesus to unite in prayer for our nation and our world.”

Hall also traveled to Rome to meet with the Roman Catholic leader and other Vatican officials ahead of the event.

“We’ve been praying for this and God has been answering our prayers,” he said in an online video in speaking of Bergoglio’s support of the gathering, explaining that he and a representative from the Vatican discussed how to unite Christians and Catholics.

A video endorsement from Bergoglio was posted and circulated online through the group’s social media channels ahead of the event, encouraging youth attendance.

“I know there is something in your heart that moves you, and that makes you restless, because a young person who is not restless is an old person. And you have youthfulness and youthfulness breeds restlessness,” the Roman Catholic pontiff stated.

“What is your restlessness?” he asked. “Do you know what it is or do you not know? Do you want to know what your restlessness is? I invite you to a great gathering of youth in Washington, D.C. to find the One who can give you an answer to your restlessness.”

Hall posted the endorsement on social media on June 21, which sparked much controversy.

“Well, guess I’m not going,” one commenter named Alberto wrote. “Sorry, but this is a bad choice.”

“Christians and false prophets will join hands and become one in this event. The great falling away is happening before our very eyes. We will not be silent!” another named Kenny commented.

Hall, aware of the concerns, told the crowd on Saturday, “We’re not saying it’s time to compromise Scripture. But there is something about reaching across the aisle.”

The event ended five hours earlier than expected due to the heat index, which resulted in a number of attendees suffering heat-related ailments.

Editor’s Note: An earlier version of this story stated that a message from Bergoglio was played at Together 2016, which was previously promoted by the organization PULSE, led by Nick Hall, in a national press release: (see “Pope Francis to Address Americans at National Mall Event ‘Together 2016’ With Special Video Message.”) For unknown reasons, PULSE decided to circulate a video invitation/endorsement from Bergoglio via their social media channels rather than playing a video message at the event as the group initially announced.


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  • Coach

    The event ended early, to God be the glory. They expected God to show up and when the true God showed up, He put an end to the circus.
    Matthew 10:34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’;

    • Iavana12

      Amen, Coach! Cannot agree with you more. The One true God had to shut it down!

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Amen. God’s truth is more important than mere togetherness.

    • Chrissy Vee

      I had prayed the Lord would come against this unholy union somehow. As I opened this article I said to myself, “I wonder what you did Lord.” I got my answer at the bottom of the article. Five hours early! To God be the glory indeed! o/ ♥

      • Ronald Carter

        Imagine being against something that unites people in their belief. You are a very negative Christian, Chrissy.

        • hytre64

          I would be against an “ecumenical movement” trying to unite Christians and Muslims. We do not believe in the same Jesus (they say, “God has no son”). Nor do we believe in the same God.

          Allah is mercurial
          God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

          Allah tells his people to deceive the unbelievers.
          God has told us to share the Truth of the gospel.

          • Ronald Carter

            I see no mention of Muslims in the story. These are all Christian groups, which should mean it wouldn’t be difficult to find common ground.

          • hytre64

            I was speaking to your general comment of, “Imagine being against something that unites people in their belief.”

            If you had said, “Imagine being against something that unites Christians in their belief.”, I wouldn’t have commented.

            Unfortunately, some “Religious Leaders” have taken ecumenicism across a line that (IMHO) should not be crossed – for example having a Muslim pray the opening prayer for a general meeting of a Christian Denomination conference.

        • Chrissy Vee

          I know the truth hurts Ronald, but it will set you free. May God give you wisdom and discenment to read his Word and try the spirits.
          For the record, a negative person calling someone else negative is quite hypocritical. But I do forgive you; no one is perfect.

    • http://verbus.dreamhosters.com OneBreadOneBody

      I think it is a bad idea to attribute weather phenomena to God’s judgment. That cuts both ways. For instance the 62 foot tall statue of Jesus from the chest up entitled “King of Kings” at Solid Rock Church in Monroe, Ohio was destroyed by lightning (from heaven?) on June 15, 2010. Was God expressing His wrath on that occasion? Does every rained-out church picnic have some theological hidden meaning?

      • wandakate

        Probably not, b/c GOD’s ways are NOT our ways, and His thoughts are NOT our thoughts. He does it His way and we don’t even understand what’s going on. Remember He said, “Eye has not seen, not ear heard of the things that the LORD is preparing for those who love Him.” We can’t even begin to imagine in our human minds the things of GOD. He wants us to know the truth that will set us free. Many people are deceived b/c of the blind leading the blind.

        • http://verbus.dreamhosters.com OneBreadOneBody

          My point exactly. Many of the Psalms express dismay about how the unrighteous prosper. And Israel rarely understood at the time how much their burdens would only be fully understood in light of events that were centuries in the future. There is a word for those who take delight in the misfortune of others: SCHADENFREUDE. It is conduct unbecoming a follower of Jesus Christ.

          • lizk

            Gods way is through the sanctuary, people should study the sanctuary.

          • http://verbus.dreamhosters.com OneBreadOneBody

            That has nothing to do with my post.

      • Coach

        I had to go back and recall what I posted after reading this, hundreds of heat exhaustion cases and the event was ended, I don’t understand your point. A 62 foot idol being destroyed by lightning, what’s your point? I’d argue that every church picnic rained-out has a theological meaning in the fact that God is sovereign over all things, He causes the sun to rise on the just and the unjust.

        God’s mercy was shown in the fact that this evil event ended early.
        Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone, in Christ alone. The only authority for truth is scripture. True Christians must have no unity with those who suggest another way, or human effort grants merit before God. Our good works can only serve to further damn us. The sharpest condemnation is for those who preach another gospel.

        • http://verbus.dreamhosters.com OneBreadOneBody

          So what is the theological meaning of a rained-out church picnic? If you purport to be wise enough to discern the “mercy” of God in ending this “evil event” then you must have the ability to likewise discern it in other cases like a tornado destroying a Christian church or missionaries being tortured and killed in Africa.

          You can’t have it both ways. One the one hand, God is sovereign over all things and His ways are not our ways so it would be presumptuous of us to explain why anything happens within His permissive will. Then on the other hand to chortle over the fact that an event you happen to disprove of gets cut short.

          • Coach

            An event of Roman catholics and evangelicals together is a mockery to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

            I oppose such events on the authority of scripture, not opinion .

            Mary is no comediator, the pope is an antichrist, man is saved by grace apart from works. Anyone who believes otherwise is deceived and hell bound, not someone for a professing Christian to unify with in spiritual endeavors.

            2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?

          • http://verbus.dreamhosters.com OneBreadOneBody

            I was only making a comment on the fallacy of ascribing natural phenomena to God’s wrath. You’ve managed to sidestep my original point and turn it into another tedious anti-Catholic diatribe of which there is no shortage on this site.

          • Coach

            Catholicism is heresy and sends its adherents to eternal damnation. I oppose the false religious system just like I oppose abortion. Both ideologies have blood on their hands and both send its followers to hell. I oppose them both with the gospel.
            Catholic mass is a mockery of Christian communion as it supposes Christ is under the authority of a priest to be sacrificed.

            Hebrews 7:26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.

            The rcc proposes those who believe in justification by faith alone in Jesus Christ anathema, God’s Word says:

            Romans 3:28 For we hold that man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

            The rcc believes in the pope, priests, prayers to dead, and Mary, the Bible says:

            1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,

            The only reason there’s so much unity between evangelicals and catholics, is because many so-called evangelicals don’t trust in the God of scripture.

            Real unity starts and ends with truth, any other union is against God.

            Titus 1:9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict.

          • truth_seeker

            You tell him! Everything that happens happens for a reason. God is in charge. That’s why Hitler didn’t win. I know about that “statue.” That church is idolatrous and the one they put up to replace it will suffer the same fate if they don’t repent. Jesus was able to calm the storm by his word.Too many people go around acting like the bad thngs that happen in their life is for no reason.If youre a Christian and youre sick, you dont have faith.

          • Coach

            Actually, Christians getting sick is not because they don’t have faith, otherwise the most faithful Christians would never suffer, but we see the opposite. The apostle Paul had a thorn in the flesh in-which he pleaded for God to remove, but God used it to strengthen Paul’s trust in the Lord, to which Paul learned to boast in weakness.
            Check out the YouTube video titled “saved from spiritual cancer, content with physical cancer” it’s a beautiful testimony of God’s grace towards a woman who’s now in glory (illbehonest channel)

    • wandakate

      It’s a preresiquite to the ONE WORLD RELIGION! First they attempt to join Christians and Catholics together and after this will be the Muslims. What GOD are they going to be worshiping? What will HIs name be? What JESUS is this? There will be many false prophets in the end days, many wolves in sheep’s clothing. Many already believe in “another JESUS”. There is only one GOD and only one JESUS (who shed His blood for the remission of our sins), let’s not worship another GOD, or another JESUS, let’s stick with what is REAL, and what is TRUTH!!!

      • peanut butter

        Jesus indeed said that many would come in His name, claiming to represent Him. The Pope says that he speaks for Christ, or that he is Christ on earth.

        • wandakate

          JESUS also told us that many will say they are speaking things that were revealed to them by GOD, but JESUS said that GOD had not spoken these things to them at all.
          There will be “many” false teachers in the end of time. Today we have an enormous amount of them everywhere. Beware of what you put into your mind people. Read the word of GOD, that is where the answers are.
          JESUS is the only name that matters when it comes to our salvation.

      • doree10

        The god they will be forced to worship is the Pope himself…Crete to Malta, series, youtube, …All you will need to know…

        • wandakate

          The Pope or a Pope isn’t going to be “the antichrist”. That would come under the title of “the false prophet”. Satan, the antichrist and the false prophet will all be working together as a trio to get the end time job accomplished. The antichrist and the false prophet will be indwelled with the evil nature of satan himself.

      • lizk

        It will be the real people of God who they will kill thinking that it is God’s will. It will be rapid movements in the last days. I would say study Daniel and Revelations Anyone who reads the prophecies and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near

        • wandakate

          As a published writer I would have to disagree with you on this. The real people of GOD aren’t going to be doing all the killing, they are going to be Islamic people, b/c it says we will be killed by the sword. They are now chopping off heads, and in the future when that time arrives, they will persecute Christians in the same manner. They will kill thinking they are doing their GOD a favor and they worship Allah. Now is their god the same GOD that Christians believe in? Some say yes, the same, others say no, not the same. Each must decide. The antichrist is most likely going to be Islamic.

  • Ronald Carter

    Catholics are Christians. It’s amazing how many people deny this most basic of historical facts.

    • Amos Moses

      Not scriptural ………

      • Ronald Carter

        Doesn’t need to be. The Bible predates Catholicism.

        • Amos Moses

          Not all Catholics are christians …… not all Catholics are saved ….. has nothing to do with what predates what …. just saying “I am this” or “I am that” does not make it so …….. homosexuals can proclaim they are married till the end of time …… does not make it so …… blacks can proclaim till the end of time they are not racist ….. does not make it so ……. whites can claim that they are tolerant till the end of time …… again ….. does not make it so ….

          • Ronald Carter

            And your word doesn’t make it so either, Amos. You are not God and can only interpret the words of the Bible just like everyone else.

          • hytre64

            No, but Amos only repeats the truth. Just because a person says they are something does not make it true. Many people even deceive themselves. The only person that they can’t deceive is Jesus. They will be truly surprised on the day when Jesus says, “Depart from me, you workers of iniquity. I never knew you.

            My question for my friends in the RCC is… Do you put your faith in Jesus, or in observing the sacraments & rituals of the church?

          • Ronald Carter

            What Amos is doing is INTERPRETING. You must know that most Christians disagree on practically everything, including understanding what is meant in many of the scriptures. Far too often there is this attitude of “Well here’s what it says in the scriptures therefore I’m right.” But quoting scripture alone means nothing, you have to understand the context, understand how the language has been translated from one language to another, how it’s been interpreted, reinterpreted, misinterpreted.

          • Amos Moses

            No ……… and here is the thing ……… i can name …… with pretty good certainty ….. who here is not ….. and who is ………. and we can all point to each other and know we are right … in just reading the words others are speaking (well, writing here) ……. not because they proclaim anything about themselves ….. but we can hear the truth in their words …. and if you cannot hear the truth of what is being said ….. there is a reason for that …. i could not tell you what “denomination” ANY of them belong to …… NOR DO I CARE ………. BUT ….. i can tell you with certainty that they belong to Christ …….

          • Ronald Carter

            “No ……… and here is the thing ……… i can name …… with
            pretty good certainty ….. who here is not ….. and who is ……….”

            No, you can’t, Amos.

          • Ardy123

            Ronald Carter. Go to a church and ask someone to teach you how to study the Bible. You’ll quickly learn that Amos is right.

          • Ronald Carter

            No, he’s really not. He’s not recognizing that every single Christian is taught by those who indoctinated them into that faith that they alone have the correct understanding of Christianity.

          • Amos Moses

            Not saying it is my word ………. scripture says it ………….

            “can only interpret the words of the Bible just like everyone else.”

            No ……….. scripture interprets scripture ……. not men ……… not you ……… not me ……… WRONG ……..

          • Ronald Carter

            You are not the only one to interpret scripture, Amos. And you can’t possibly be interpreting it the same way all the other Christians do. Several of you must be wrong. How do you know it’s not you?

          • Amos Moses

            No man interprets scripture ……….. if they do …….. it is no longer scripture …….. WRONG ………..

          • Ronald Carter

            No, Amos. I am right and you know it. Scripture doesn’t interpret itself. We apply it to our situations, and that is an interpretation. And we all interpret it differently. Want proof? Does 40,000 denominations of Christianity prove it to you? It should.

          • Amos Moses

            ” Scripture doesn’t interpret itself. ”

            You CONSTANTLY ……….. along with many of your fellows …. are correct to point out …. WE ARE NOT GOD ….. and you are correct ………. one of the few times ……….

            The only one who can interpret Gods word ………. IS GOD ……….. and Gods word is God ….. as scripture points out ……… scripture is the ONLY thing that can interpret scripture ……. if a person is saying scripture says anything that is in contradiction of another scripture ……….. then it is interpretation …….. and is no longer scripture ………….scripture affirms scripture ….. that is the mechanism of scripture interpreting scripture ……… Gods word being used to interpret Gods word …….. and if a person is doing it in any other fashion …. then it is not scripture ……. denominations are irrelevant ….

          • Ronald Carter

            Fine, but the second you filter something of God’s through whatever situation you are applying it to, you’re putting your own spin on it. I wish you could recognize this.

          • Amos Moses

            No ………. then it is no longer scripture ……… Gods word is not to be “spun” ………. Christ does not “spin” …… and the fact is ….. if you belong to Christ ….. you know almost instantly when that is being done ……. it is called discernment …….. not the difference between right and wrong …… the difference between right and ALMOST right ……………..

          • Ronald Carter

            So now you are giving yourself the gift of discernment?

            Look Amos, I don’t know why this is so hard for you to see. There are millions of Christians just like you, but of different denominations, who understand the words of your Bible differently. All of them seem to consider themselves fully qualified to deliver the message CORRECTLY (unlilke all those other false Scotsmen, I mean Christians…)

            I’ve given you many examples, some of you think you go to heaven when you die, some of you think there’s something called a last judgement that happens. Some of you believe in a rapture, some don’t. Some baptize infants, some don’t. Some believe in confessing sins to one another, some don’t. The list goes on and on. All examples of how you cannot agree where scripture is concerned.

          • Amos Moses

            “So now you are giving yourself the gift of discernment?”

            No ………. it is a gift of Christ to His followers …….. all of them ……….

            Denominations are irrelevant just as color of skin or eyes or what city a person was born in ……. irrelevant …

          • Ronald Carter

            Seems like he gave it to a bunch of people who disagree with each other then. What a shame you guys can’t get together and form an opinion you all agree on.

          • Amos Moses

            Seems like he did not ……………… seems you just disagree with them ……. We agree on the essentials ……… not everything is essential ……… those that disagree with the essentials are not of us …………… you ………. disagree on just about everything …… ecumenism is not of us …… there is no unity for the sake of unity …… that is the other side ………..

          • Paul54

            I know people who self identify as “Catholic”, but they can’t even name the seven sacraments, or define what a sacrament is. They don’t obey the 5 precepts of the RCC because they don’t even know what they are. I know people who claim to be “Bible believing Protestants”, but they struggle to recite the Ten Commandments. I know people who say they’re Jewish, but they don’t observe any of the Jewish festivals or dietary laws. You are right; anyone can claim to be something that they aren’t.

        • Paul54

          Don’t you mean Catholicism predates the Bible? Saint Jerome put together the 73 book Bible (Old and New Testament) between 382 – 405 AD. There were three Catholic Church councils that approved his work as he proceeded in his mission. Catholics believe that Saint Jerome was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Even Martin Luther admitted that the bible was compiled by the Catholic Church.

          • Ronald Carter

            It was, but the books individually were written before there was a church. The compilation of them came after.

          • Paul54

            Yes, you’re right, the 27 books of the New Testament were written before the end of the Apostolic Era ( about 100 AD). However, the Church (RCC) decided which books deserved to make the cut, and which ones were discarded. For example, the Gospels of Luke and Matthew, and Paul’s Letter to the Romans made the cut, the Didache and the Shepherd of Hermas didn’t. Also, there were numerous copies in various languages, and some copies were either incomplete or were poor translations. Saint Jerome was fluent in Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic, so he was tasked with sifting through all the various scrolls and manuscripts. He compiled a Latin Old/New Testament Bible known as the Vulgate. By the way, the Vulgate was the first book printed by Johann Gutenberg around 1450.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Jerome prepared a new Latin translation, that is all. Catholics believe their Pope is infallible, what confusion that must be causing.

          • Andrew

            Stephen Anderson, Question? Where is the “Evangelical Christian Version of the Bible form the same time period as St. Jerome Circa 300-400 AD?

            Wait for it… …Answer…. There isn’t one.

            There was and is only one Church and one original source for the collection of Books we all call the Bible,

            Thank you Catholics for the Bible and the Church that has preserved its teaching since it was first taught to the Apostle and their successors to this very day.

            Take a history class some time and have the intellectual honesty to admit that the Catholic Church was and is the Church founded by Jesus Christ himself all other are false and the invention of either a Catholic Heretic or one of the heretics successors.
            God Bless you on your Journey Home to the one True Catholic Faith.

        • Paul54

          Ronald, when was the Church begun? I believe (and Catholicism teaches) that the Church began on Pentecost, with the descent of the Holy Spirit on the first 120 disciples. At the end of the day the Christians had converted 3000 people to the Faith. The year this event took place was 33 AD. Read Acts of the Apostles, Chapter 2.

          The Gospels were written between 50 – 70 AD, and the various Epistles of Paul were written between 48 – 64 AD. The last book of the Bible, the Revelation of St John, was written around 100 AD. It is a simple historical fact that the original New Testament books were written AFTER the Church began.

          • Ronald Carter

            You’re probably a lot more knowledgeable regarding the history here. Sorry if I got some things factually wrong. I was trying to defend Catholics here, because fundamentalist Christians always seem to be demanding scriptural justification for everything, and it’s just ludicrous to say that if Catholics weren’t in the Bible then they are “unscriptural”. Nonscriptural would be a better word, if it was a word. I tire quickly of this idea that because something isn’t in the Bible then God disapproves of it. But this is fundamentalist thinking apparently.

          • Paul54

            Hey, I’m happy to help a fellow Catholic defend the Faith. The Catholic Church has three pillars of truth; Holy Scripture, Holy Tradition, and the magisterium. Protestants attack Holy Tradition and the magisterial teachings with the battlecry, “Sola Scriptura”. What they don’t realize is that their denominations “borrow” from Catholic Holy Tradition, and each Protestant group has it’s own “magisterium”.

            The Bible itself is a result of Holy Tradition. The Canon of Scripture was compiled by Saint Jerome and his assistants, and their work was officially approved by three solemn Church councils (Councils of Rome in 382, Hippo in 393, and Carthage in 396), and by Pope Innocent I in 405. Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus order his followers to write a holy book, and call it the Bible.

            Each Protestant denomination has it’s own “magisterium”. They just don’t admit it. The Anglicans call theirs the Lambert Conference (held every ten years) as do the Southern Baptists with their convention each year, and the Methodists, Evangelical Lutherans of the USA, Missouri Synod Lutherans, etc, etc…meet each year. When the leaders of these groups meet they decide what their doctrines will be, whether they will sanction same sex marriage, allow openly homosexual pastors to preach, or prohibit abortion,,,,, In congregations controlled by one pastor, that pastor becomes the de facto “pope”, and his teaching are that group’s “magisterium”.

          • Ronald Carter

            I’m not actually Catholic anymore, I was when I was a kid. But I understand things like history and so forth so I get annoyed when fundamentalists try to rewrite it. You’ve no doubt been told about how Catholics added books to the Bible (when Protestants actually removed them) – about how Catholicism started with Constantine, about how they changed the ten commandments, etc. All nonsense.

          • Paul54

            I don’t want to be impolite, but would you say why you aren’t Catholic anymore. I left the Church when I was a teenager, and after checking out what the other religions were “selling”, I came back to the RCC as a young adult..

          • Ronald Carter

            It wasn’t a problem with Catholicism but a problem with Christianity. I found that I could not believe the Bible was actually God’s word, the whole idea of it being “God breathed” seemed impossible, and very convenient for the people of that time to say that their words were in fact coming from God. After that, it all kind of fell apart. Which isn’t to say I became an atheist, because I didn’t…I see myself as agnostic, leaning almost towards deism.

    • hytre64

      Catholics can be Christians – If they put their trust in Jesus, as opposed to the institution and outward religious service. Just like that can be Lutherins / Episcapaleans / Baptists / etc. who put their faith in the institution and the outward appearance of faith, as opposed to having a real relationship with Jesus.

      Mt 7:21-23 – “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

  • ComeOnPeople!

    They had their plans with their little seat of satan stage front, their broken circle reset Ouroboros for performers and preachers to step into, the date they wanted and of course the Phallus in the back ground… then a real preacher who did not step into their little Ouroboros like everyone else preached a “Don’t drink the cool-aid” message . OOPS Time to pack it up folks the true GOD had had enough and decided to shed some light on the subject. Workers of iniquity may try to deceive even the very elect but remember this , that when the CREATOR of all things wants to step onto the stage and shed a little light in the darkness, it’s time for the schemers to pack up and go home. Maybe next time boys but not today. All according to HIS time frame & no one knows the day or the hour.

    • wandakate

      It’s irrelevant the DAY or the HOUR, what we were warned to be aware of was the “SIGNS OF THE TIMES”, and these are the times in which we now live to be watching closely for those signs. A New World is coming, A One World Government, along with the One World Religion also, so bottom line, beware of what is going on and be aware, awake, alert to the signs of the times.

      • ComeOnPeople!

        Um I was saying that these are the signs of the times via all I wrote before saying no one knows the day or the hour. Another words everything is lining up so get ready.

        • wandakate

          YES, understand and you are exactly right. Everything is lining up and people need to get ready by having their spiritual house in order. I hope to be as ready as I can be.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Amen and Amen

  • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

    Apostasy Together 2016.

    • Ronald Carter

      That kind of snobbery is only going to further splinter Christianity, which is why you are in the mess you’re in now. Why don’t you take a page from this and start to try to find common ground with one another? Surely the things that unite you must be greater than the things that separate you.

      • 201821208 :)

        “Ecumenism is the move toward unity among religious groups. The important question is this: are ecumenical ventures right and biblical? Should we be involved with others in joint ventures locally, nationally, or internationally? The answer is not absolute. Of course, unity among true Christians is important (Psalm 133:1; John 17:22). But what if some of those who profess Christianity actually deny certain fundamentals of the faith? One must consider each situation individually. First of all, are those we are joining with truly Christians in the biblical sense of the word? Many people and organizations reference the name of Jesus and even state He is Lord and Savior yet clearly reject what the Bible says about Him. There is a major emphasis in our day on ecumenical unity among evangelicals and Roman Catholics. Those who promote such unity state that both groups are Christian and both are God-honoring systems of faith. But there are substantial differences between the two groups. Biblical Christianity and Roman Catholicism are two different religions that practice and believe different things about how one is saved, the authority of the Bible, the priesthood of believers, the nature of man, the work of Christ on the cross, etc. One of the draws of ecumenism is that often theologically divergent groups are passionately like-minded regarding certain issues. Second, what is the ultimate goal of this ecumenical venture? Scripture gives clear guidance as to how Bible-believing Christians are to live. Colossians 3:17. In conclusion, should we be involved in ecumenical cooperation with other churches and other groups of believers? If there is no doctrinal compromise on core Christian beliefs, if the gospel is not being watered-down or sidelined, if believers can maintain a clear testimony before the world, and if God is glorified, then we may freely and joyfully join with other believers in pursuit of God’s kingdom.”

        • Ronald Carter

          I have pretty huge issues with some of that. Where are you quoting it from?

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            201821208 is citing scriptural references throughout. Reference a parallel Bible with several translations.

          • Ronald Carter

            I don’t mean scripturally. I mean when it says things like “Biblical Christianity and Roman Catholicism are two different religions.” They aren’t. Roman Catholicism is a subset of Christianity, just like Lutheranism or Episcopalianism or any of the others.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            You’re mixing denominationalism with “religion”.

          • Oboehner

            Don’t waste your time with Ronnie, he hasn’t the slightest clue, he’s merely here to troll and argue.

          • Ronald Carter

            Well, if you don’t like what I write, you could always consult an authoritative text like the dictionary, or an encyclopedia, or history text to confirm them…unless you share your IQ with a plate of luncheon meat in which case you’ll call those things “appeals to authority” or some other reality-denying name.

          • Ronald Carter

            Not mixing them, religions have denominations.

        • wandakate

          Either it’s the truth or it’s not the truth, there is nothing in the middle like a “half truth”, however most of today’s church are preaching/talking of a “half truth” that has been added to, taken away from and certainly watered way down. It’s NOT the gospel that JESUS had in mind. It’s NOT the gospel that He commanded His disciples to go forth with.
          Today unfortunately it’s a “man made” gospel of sorts, and very traditional, commercial, and worldly. For the most part organized religion is about the almighty dollar, it’s centered around money, fancy lifestyles and such.
          The back to basic sermon is about “conviction”, about the “soul” (person) finding salvation through none other than JESUS CHRIST, not Mary or Mohammed or any other idol…Thank you for your truth as you understand it better than most Christians.

      • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

        The true Church are those and only those who have been born of God. You cannot see the kingdom because you are not born from above. Those who love the world and the things of this world do not have the love of the Father. Those that would be friends of the world make themselves the enemies of God.

        • Ronald Carter

          God bestowed a gift on you that allows you to see things the rest of us can’t. I see.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            The point of Jesus’ was, no you don’t see, you can’t see, you’re blind and dead.

          • wandakate

            He was telling them they were blind, deaf, dead in their sins. He was speaking of “SPIRITUAL” matters.
            We ALL die in the flesh, but not ALL of us will die a spiritual death PTL. Traditions are the ways of the world and NOT the ways of GOD. ALL of our “holidays” are traditions of man, and have nothing to do with JESUS whatsoever. The day we worship is even false.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Of course He was speaking of spiritual matters.
            BTW, we are born spiritually dead.
            Christians always gathered on the first day of the week. So, we are not to gather on Lord’s Day, we are not to remember His birth, death and resurrection? Baloney. If they are done unto the Lord, they are acceptable to God. (Romans 14:6)
            Not all traditions are “the ways of the world”.
            ” Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.” (1Co 11:2 NKJ)

    • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

      How so?

      • SeekandYeShallFind

        Not sure how to phrase this but…use caution when conversing with someone like Ronald… Could it be you are unknowingly conversing with a demon? Don’t give it the time of day.

        • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

          Aye

  • Josey

    you must be born again, Jesus said and He is the only way to the Father so the only way is through Jesus Christ, there are not many ways but one way! The devil is seeking whom he may devour through deception. When they say peace, peace sudden destruction comes upon them all.

  • 201821208 :)

    “Are Catholics saved? It is impossible to give a universal statement on the salvation of all members of any denomination of Christianity. Not ALL Baptists are saved. Not ALL Presbyterians are saved. Not ALL Lutherans are saved. etc. Salvation is determined by personal faith in Jesus alone for salvation, not by titles or denominational identification. Despite the unbiblical beliefs and practices of the Roman Catholic Church, there are genuine believers who attend Roman Catholic churches. There are many Roman Catholics who have genuinely placed their faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. However, these Catholic Christians are believers despite what the Catholic Church teaches, not because of what it teaches. To varying degrees, the Catholic Church teaches from the Bible and points people to Jesus Christ as the Savior. As a result, people are sometimes saved in Catholic churches. The Bible has an impact whenever it is proclaimed (Isaiah 55:11). Catholic Christians remain in the Catholic Church out of ignorance of what the Catholic Church truly stands for, out of family tradition and peer pressure, or out of a desire to reach other Catholics for Christ.”

    • hytre64

      I know that I was saved when I was in the RCC. Yet, the more I studied scripture, the more I questioned RC practices and doctrine, until I was finally forced to find a church that actually taught out of the Bible and not the traditions of men.

      • 201821208 :)

        Amen!!!

      • Ronald Carter

        I speak to many people who say the same thing about fleeing fundamentalist Christianity.

        • Ardy123

          The difference is when you ask those people for Scripture to support their decision they can’t do it. As the Apostle John said, “they left us because they were not of us”.

          • Ronald Carter

            Not everything is dependent on scripture – not all Christians are ‘Bible only”.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            The tradition bound, are like the Pharisee’s of old.

          • Ronald Carter

            Only to those who hate tradition.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            Tradition isn’t scripture, it is of man. I don’t hate tradition, I just don’t elevate it. The fact that Baptists traditionally gathered together with casseroles doesn’t make them holy.

          • Ronald Carter

            That isn’t the tradition we are talking about, it’s “sacred tradition” – one of the three original pillars of church authority, along with scripture and the magisterium (church teachings).

          • lizk

            man put traditions above God’s word.

          • Oboehner

            And you are the expert right? ROFL!!

          • Ronald Carter

            I don’t need to be. The original Christians valued scipture, sacred tradition and church teachings equally. They didn’t elevate one over the other.

          • Oboehner

            Nobody makes themselves look the fool quite as well as you, perhaps another site with topics you actually know something about would be appropriate – if one exists.

          • Ronald Carter

            Everything I said is a fact – I’d provide you with the source but you’d give me your usual pig ignorant, obnoxious spiel about it being an appeal to authority.

          • http://verbus.dreamhosters.com OneBreadOneBody

            I would not engage that sad little man who only finds joy in others’ dislike of him.

          • Ronald Carter

            That’s probably best. He is certainly the most joyless Christian I’ve ever encountered. Almost a poster child for the dangers of Christian fundamentalism.

          • Oboehner

            So and so said is hardly fact.

          • Ronald Carter

            So and so didn’t say. So and so studied. So and so collected data. So and so has proof. Unlike you who have only faith which fails you repeatedly.

          • Oboehner

            Yeah, proof – right. You have never presented any.

          • Ronald Carter

            Every time I do you scream “appeal to authority” like a little schoolgirl. Shelves of books in libraries mean nothing to you. It’s like you’re impervious to fact.

          • truth_seeker

            We need you to keep all these trolls out of our discussions. You are really good at discerning the heart.

          • hytre64

            The original Christians didn’t have “sacred tradition” of the church, as the church had just been born and these traditions had not been developed. At the same time, “Church teachings” were being done by the apostles – either in person or via epistles (which later became the bulk of the New Testament), so there was no practical difference between these two.

          • wandakate

            NO GOD is the expert, GOD was from the beginning, and He has the truth of the matter in His word (THE HOLY BIBLE), if it’s not in there, then it’s not really the truth to begin with. There are NO experts other than the LORD and the truth that will set us free.

        • http://verbus.dreamhosters.com OneBreadOneBody

          I couldn’t get through John 6:53 or I Cor 11:29 and stay in a church that did not believe in the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. I guess that’s what happens when they tell you to read the plain sense of Scripture.

          • lizk

            so your telling me they keep crucifing Jesus over and over again when He said that He entered the most Holy Place with His own blood that He shed once and for all.

          • http://verbus.dreamhosters.com OneBreadOneBody

            That does not even remotely resemble Catholic doctrine. The Mass re-presents the once and eternal sacrifice of the Lamb of God. Please read Scott Hahn’s The Wedding Supper of the Lamb if you are actually interested in what we believe, though I doubt that you are.

        • Oboehner

          Trollin, trollin, trollin…

          • Ronald Carter

            Keep deluding yourself.

        • hytre64

          I remember one couple “fleeing” our church… When they told the pastor that they were leaving, they said it was because they felt convicted about their sin when he preached…

          • wandakate

            Part of the purpose of “church” gatherings is the conviction of sins…They should have stayed there so they could be in the coming Kingdom of GOD for all eternity, instead of going to a false church with no preaching of conviction…Sounds like they only wanted that “feel good gospel” or the gospel that would make their itching ears satisfied.

      • wandakate

        GOOD for you, many have done the very same thing, gotten out of it. Remember Sunday worship is also the “traditions of men” as you say. Saturday is still the original Sabbath day and it will never be Sunday. That happened when the Emperor Constantine changed it from Saturday to Sunday, and forced the people to give up GOD”s Sabbath day for Sunday worship which was all about “the day of the sun”, it was about sun worship, and it had nothing more than “pagan” roots attached to it. Today they just follow along blindly.
        Our modern day calendar even tells us that Saturday is still the 7th day of the week, and Sunday is the first day, it’s just a regular day of the week.
        In Genesis, GOD said He rested on the 7th day, not the 1st day. in Exodus He gave us the 10 Commandments, not the laws of Moses, but the original laws of GOD to the people and the 4th commandment was to “REMEMBER” the Sabbath Day and keep it holy, saying “nothing” whatsoever about the 1st day. It’s also the “longest” commandment of them all. Why would He tell us to remember something if He intended for us to forget it?????
        So, that along with many other traditions and doctrines, prayers and rosary beads, etc. are all part of that church.
        You were blessed when the LORD spoke to your heart and you were forced to find something else, but are you now where you should be?
        Remember upon the first day of the week Mary and the other woman went to the tomb and He (JESUS) had already risen. It tells us that was the day “AFTER” the Sabbath had passed, meaning they were at the tomb on Sunday morning, but the Saturday Sabbath has just passed.
        SO, Saturday was the 7th day then and Sunday was the 1st day just as it still is today. The days never changed did they? We blindly follow the traditions of the world, not studying to show ourselves approved about the truth that will set us free…

        • Harry Oh!

          Sounds like you’re still carrying on the traditions of Jewish men, what’s the difference? Christ was the fulfillment of the laws and then he destroyed the old covenant system, including the temple.

          • wandakate

            No, not at all. I don’t follow any traditions. As for the laws, what laws are you referring to? There were over 600 of them. ALL of them were done away with except for the Moral Laws of GOD which are the 10 Commandments. They are ALL still valid, they are NOT obsolete, and they are still relevant for us today.
            Are you going to tell me that JESUS did away with them too? Don’t waste your time on that please.
            The sacrificial laws, the dietary laws, the ceremonial laws were no longer needed after CHRIST became our sacrificial lamb and died for us, but the Moral Laws or the Royal Laws were NEVER done away with. They were written with the finger of GOD on two tablets of stone and placed inside the Ark of the Covenant.
            They are NOT the “laws of MOSES”, like people think, and they are not “Jewish laws” either, they were the “Laws of GOD”, and were meant for 1,000 generations of souls (people). So I believe that ALL 10 of them matter…

          • Harry Oh!

            All laws are written on our hearts (Hebrews 8:10) via the Holy Spirit, not on some stone tablets.

    • wandakate

      They pray the rosary beads, they repeat their prayers over and over and they are the same. They pray to have dead souls (people) come out of purgatory, which is NOT possible. Our eternal fate is already determined before we pass on by the life that we had lived prior to our death. Just something else to make money for the wealthiest church on earth. They go to confession and speak to a man who tells them they are forgiven, but they ARE NOT forgiven b/c only GOD can forgive our sins.
      JESUS is our mediator, and our advocate to the FATHER GOD. He petitions GOD on our behave…The ONLY way to GOD the FATHER is through JESUS CHRIST His son, there is NO other way, not through Mary or the priest or Mohammed or any other way.
      They teach the immortality of the soul, but that’s NOT right either, b/c only JESUS had immortality and we humans will receive that but NOT until JESUS appears (at His glorious appearing) when He raises the dead souls up to Him from their graves (where they were, totally unconscious) until JESUS came for them. Scripture tell us that “in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet” we will rise, and then we will ALL change from mortal to immortal and from corrupt to incorrupt. It happens right then, but until then the soul (person) is NOT and does NOT possess immortality. So, none of this sounds Muslim to me, and neither does any of it sound Christian to me…HOW on earth is it all the same? It’s not, so don’t be fooled, or deceived.

    • lizk

      Jesus said My sheep will hear my voice and follow me. Many will come out of false religions and our only hope is Jesus and His righteousness. You can only serve God by Faith and He will put in everyone His Holy Spirit if we ask and He will cause us to walk in all His ways.

  • Harry Oh!

    More proof that organized Christianity is venturing further and further away from the truth. You can’t trust anyone or anything anymore. Read your Bible and trust God only.

    • wandakate

      But scripture warned us that in the last days this would happen. Men would “FALL AWAY” from the faith. Apostasy would be everywhere, and now apparently is that time. The “GREAT FALLING AWAY”, and the “MAN OF PERDITION/SIN”, has to appear “first” before JESUS will appear.
      These are just some of the signs of the times that we were told to be aware of.

      • lizk

        Jesus asked the question will I find faith?

        • wandakate

          He did, you are correct, “When I come, will I find faith on the earth.” I am hoping He will find faith even if in only a select few. Hold on b/c the prize is going to be worth it I’m sure.

      • Harry Oh!

        Futurists think this is all suppose to happen and therefore only need to sit back and watch it all unfold while they wait for the magic escape beam. That is not what Christ and the Apostles taught.

        • wandakate

          The magic escape beam you mentioned must be that secret rapture. I DO NOT believe at all in a secret rapture. There is NO escape route out of here. JESUS “never” told us there would be. He told us the prophets were persecuted and so we would be also. He said we must persevere to the end.
          It’s a PRE-WRATH rapture. JESUS will appear at the 7th trumpet (Revelation 11:15-19), and that is just prior to the 1st Bowl judgment being poured out onto all of the unrepentant sinners. The Seal and Trumpet judgments/plagues are the wrath of satan/the antichrist and the false prophet, but the Bowl judgments are the final plagues and they are from Almighty GOD Himself.
          The church is NOT appointed to the “wrath of GOD”, therefore JESUS will “appear” before they happen and take the church. The graves will open at that time, the dead will rise up, the living will rise up and this will all happen in the twinkling of an eye at the “last trumpet”.
          The 1st resurrection, the rapture and the glorious appearing of JESUS are ALL One big huge event, all happening at the same time.

          • Harry Oh!

            It’s a major twisting of scripture to ignore all the imminency statements made by Christ and the Apostles and project all prophecy into the future. Not to mention the obvious fact that no one living at the time of Christ would care what happens if what was being urgently taught didn’t apply to their generation.

    • truth_seeker

      Organized Christianity is the problem. We need to read our bibles for ourselves and not let a bunch of overeducated theologians tell us what it says. If you can;t find Jesus by reading the Bible on your own then you are full of the Devil.

  • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

    Hmmm. “Matthew Maher…He has outlined at other ecumenical events that he believes it is his calling to work toward to the unification of Christians and Catholics”. Are not Catholic’s Christian? I thought them to be, though of a very liturgical tradition.

    • Oboehner

      Catholics choose to ignore the word of God in favor of vain traditions of men, they are as much Christian as Mormons, jws’ moonies or whomever.

      • Ronald Carter

        If it weren’t for Catholics, whatever brand of radical fundamentalism you practice would not exist.

        • Oboehner

          Now that’s what proof looks like, proof you have no clue.

          • Ronald Carter

            What a prize Christian you are. You hate Catholics, homosexuals, the transgendered, basically everybody. Jesus would be so proud.

          • mamabear111

            G-d said: He hated paganism and traditions of men. 1ST and 2nd Timothy tells us if ANYONE preaches a different Gospel or Doctrine , from such TURN AWAY. the RCC changed the Sabbath Day that G-d made HOLY and said would never change, NO shadow of turning. HE is the same yesterday today and FOREVER. He told us never to call any man FATHER but HIM..but here the RCC calls a mere man the HOLY FATHER , but the HOLY FATHER IS IN HEAVEN. people run to tell the pope and ask forgiveness for sin..Woe to those who call evil good and good evil..WE are to ask G-d thru Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sin. NO ONE ELSE. now the RCC is saying the POPE will change the ten commandment to softer laungage.. Calling the pope Holy FATHER Is pure Blasphemy. Remember in Timothy as he told us from such turn away and if anyone adds to or takes away for the Word of G-d as HE IS GOD from SUCH TURN AWAY. when we support anthing that changes G-d’s Word at all even to dot a I or title we are cursed according to G-d’s WORD. RCC puts Mary above Jesus, and they pray to what the RCC calls saints.. Now the RCC said the 113th pope is the defecter who supports Islam, and does. The L-rd said when they all refuse the truth , from such turn away. we are to tell them in humbleness and love the truth three times and if they reject G-d’s Word we are to turn away and remember whatever we are supporting , makes us just as guilty..G-d did not come to abolish the law, He came to fulfill it just as HE said , it is our school teacher. In the gospel of John HE said, IF you love ME, keep my commands and if you love ME follow ME… believing men rather than G-d as HE warned us many times in scripture and just in the Revelation HE warns the churches that they have forgotten their first love and how HE will remove their candlestick. Rev 4:1 tells us not to fear and that we are to be worthy to escape the wrath coming down on the earth. true believers —-are worth because of the real Jesus and His Blood..and then it says COME up Hither…we also know the REV tells us the whore church, like the Tower of Babel was that He tore down and now the RCC and others are building it again..they sold their soul for a bowl of beans so to speak..he also said I wish you had been cold or hot, but because you are luke warm, I will vomit you out of my mouth. Paul preached on the other Jesus that is the fake one, they rip pages out of the bible and take scripture out of context and they think they replaced the JEWs but in fact all thu the bible and the Romans 9-10 and 11 he tells us how he put a vail over the Jews eyes so that we heathen gentiles could become sons of G-d. and then the apostasy they decided that they are little god with a little g…twisting HIS word is to loose our souls.. and Genesis 12:3 and all thru the bible the JEWS are the apple of HIS eyes and HE is bringing them home and it is the 49 jubilee , one part yr till the 50th , HE IS coming as the 2000 yrs is up..HE said when Israel becomes a nation that we are the generation that will see HIM.. and world war three is starting and Isaiah 17 will be fulfilled. at night, in one hour, Damascus is gone. and in four days Iran’s nuke Bushre is destroyed..and HE will roar thru Zion.. I pray people will read HIS word, not the churches bibles but the KING JAMES only..blessing to all that do.. we are to tell them all as if we don’t their blood will be on our hands , to tell them…Shalom

  • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

    A unified “Church” is an apostate Church with a false gospel. A few of us still believe the Scriptures and still hold to Sola, Scriptura, Sola Gracia, Sola Fide, Solus Christus and Soli Deo Gloria. The “Evangelicals” and the Charismatics can return to mother Babylon if they want, they never have received the love of the truth and prefer idols to God.

    • hytre64

      Stephen – go into a Charismatic church sometime and look around. Do you see any idols? Next, go into a Catholic Church and look around. How many idols do you see? (Don’t forget to include the statue of Mary and the statue of Joseph and any other statues).

      We do believe in Sola Scriptura, but reject putting the traditions of men on the same level as the revealed Word of God.

      • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

        I’ve been in both and both are corrupt and following deceitful spirits. And neither holds to Sola Scriptura. If you believe the Holy Spirit is giving messages today through prophesy and tongues, you do not believe in Sola Scriptura. You both add other revelation.
        And of course, the Charismatic movement is big in the catholic church. How can they be filled with the Spirit of Truth and remain Roman Catholics?

      • lizk

        then why do so many reject God’s day of worship. The 10 commandments point out sin they do not save you. If people choose not to keep the 4th then they break all Sin is breaking God’s commandments. Jesus showed us how to live by doing His Fathers will.

    • wandakate

      And what sir is the truth? Which church in your opinion has that?

      • lizk

        God has a church. You should read the messages to the 7 churches. God has a remnant just like is Jerusalem. it’s never a majority who stay true to God.

        • wandakate

          No I know it’s the little flock, the ones that OBEY His commandments and do His will on earth. The majority are following their “traditions” and they are in the world and of the world. The followers were told to be IN the world but NOT of the world. BIG difference.

    • lizk

      you do not have to speak in tongues for most people can speak English and it it speaks something that is not in the word of God then is lies, for God is the same yesterday, today and forever more.

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/escapefromegypt/ EscapetheDarkness

    Man, I still cannot believe that Ravi Zacharias is essentially holding hands with Pope Francis here.

    I though that Mr. Zacharias was better than this. I truly did.

  • peanut butter

    These Christians are no longer Christians, but members of the One World Religion of the New World Order, which will soon include islam and all other false religions. And though this is all in God’s plan, to see who are His and who aren’t, He still cut it short by His mighty Hand by giving them a taste of what hell will be like. If you don’t want eternal heat, waaay hotter than what you had to endure at this conference, and FOREVER, repent of this and truly follow the One True God and His Son, Jesus Christ.

    • wandakate

      AMEN!!! Many of these mostly young people don’t know what they are doing or who to listen to. They have not learned much yet, and are just thinking that they want to belong. However, belonging to the ways of the world (the crowd) and obeying the ways of the LORD JESUS are two different roads. There is that wide road and the narrow road, and they must be very cautious in what they listen to and in whom they believe. Only JESUS is the way, the truth and the life, and NO MAN will come to GOD the FATHER except through JESUS CHRIST His son, period, there just is NO other way. There ARE NOT many paths to our salvation, only one…
      Yes, just as I wrote in another comment it’s “all” part of the up and coming “One World Religion”, and it’s important to be awake, alert, and aware of the signs of the times and this is surely one of them.

  • doree10

    If you want to know what the Pope is really up to, watch the series From Crete To Malta, on youtube to get the biggest jolt of togetherness in your life…Father God, please help these young people…

  • lizk

    no one should compromise God’s truth and they all have one thing in common Sunday, God blessed the 7th day right from the beginning , it is His rest day. Man cannot make anything holy.

  • Yankeegator

    Modernist American Folkchristians and their super fun, rock band, entertain me prayer halls, with all zeal for American Jesus and his false profits and satanic protestant ministers spread all over Christiandom the virus of sola scriptura and sola fede with thousands of heretical sects, taking Scriptural text out of context creating pretext!!!

    Catholics and Orthodox are the only True Christians!

  • Yankeegator

    All Protestants(yes evangelicals and non denominations you are still Protestant) are the sons and daughters of Luther. Luther was a man possessed with the demonic. Out of him came rebellion, revolution and pride. Like his master Lucifer, he shook his fist and said I will not serve.

    From Luther came the enlightenment, relativism and nation states that separated The Church from the State so that all these nations today have no conscience and they defy the natural law. These Protestant Pagan lands have millions of abortions, celebrate sodomy everywhere and transvestism and these lands call it normal and you have spread your nasty American Babylon evil to other lands…