California Board of Education Votes to Include Homosexuality in Lessons Second Grade and Up

School pdSACRAMENTO, Calif. — The California Board of Education has voted unanimously to comply with a state law requiring homosexuality to be incorporated into history and social studies lessons from the second grade and up.

In 2012, California lawmakers passed the Fair, Accurate, Inclusive and Respectful (FAIR) Education Act, which requires the inclusion of “lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans” in history lessons, along with people groups such as Native Americans, African Americans, Mexican Americans, disabled persons and others.

Studies are to center on the contributions the groups have made to “the economic, political, and social development of California and the United States of America, with particular emphasis on portraying the role of these groups in contemporary society.”

On Thursday, following four hours of testimony, the Board of Education agreed to implement the curriculum in compliance with the 2012 law.

“An outlined curriculum introduces the concepts in second grade with discussions about diverse families and again in fourth grade with lessons on California’s role in the gay rights movement,” the Associated Press reports. “The proposed outline also touches on the topics in the fifth and eighth grades and throughout high school.”

The LA Times also notates that studies in fourth grade, for example, will focus on “the emergence of the nation’s first gay rights organizations in the 1950s,” as well as the push for “gay marriage” in California from the 1970’s onward.

Teachers will receive training on how to educate students about homosexuality in American history.

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Homosexual advocacy groups cheered the development as being beneficial students.

“It allows all students to think critically and expansively about how that past relates to the present and future roles that they can play in an inclusive and respectful society,” Don Romesburg, framework director for the Committee on LGBT History, said in a statement.

But others expressed concern and notated that parents will likely be uncomfortable with the teaching as well.

“Certainly some families will be concerned about their second-graders learning about two-mom families, but I think parents would be much more alarmed if they knew that LGBT History Month, in the last few years, has promoted the notion that ‘America, the Beautiful’ is a source of lesbian pride,” Matthew McReynolds of the Pacific Justice Institute told reporters.

“California has decided to include people in the curriculum and celebrate them (no criticism allowed, apparently) based solely on their sexual behavior,” Jane Robbins of the American Principles Project also lamented. “Especially after the Obergefell decision, it’s only a matter of time until this propaganda spreads to the public schools of other states.”


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  • Amos Moses

    Pedophilia ………….. they cant breed them ………. so they have to manufacture them …… soft young minds are easily malleable ……………

    • RWH

      There is nothing in this about pedophilia—or even sex education. Get your mind out of the sewer!

      • Amos Moses

        Sorry ,,,,,,,, this is GROOMING them ……… PURE AND SIMPLE …………

        • Ronald Carter

          How???

          • axelbeingcivil

            Amos believes that telling kids that homosexuality isn’t aberrant or a disease, they’re trying to make kids gay.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            The fact is that the homosexual lifestyle is not a healthy one do to many many medical studies. Not only are homosexuals more likely to contract STD’s but they die earlier, most never find permanent partners, many are depressed and AID’s is constant threat. Yes please teach our children about how to become less healthy, have a higher chance of contracting STD’s & AID’s, be depressed because they have chosen to live a lifestyle that separates them from main stream society, parents and siblings & that will have them constantly seeking one partner. Go look at the studies. Look at what homosexuality does to men. Party… party… seek … seek and depression . While we are at it lets teach them how to become delusional and believe they are a woman when they are in reality a male. This is just sad and the real sadness is that the homosexuals know what the studies say and yet they still want boys to grow up questioning who they are.

          • Jalapeno

            Or..you could teach them to be monogamous and have save sex while acknowledging who they actually love…

          • Gary Metzger

            That’s an impossibility. Homosexuality is anti-monogamous and always has been. They have always despised traditional, God-given moral and sexual boundaries, and pay the price for doing so. See again ComeOnPeople statistics above.

          • Jalapeno

            I know multiple gay monogamous couples.

          • axelbeingcivil

            Yeah, coincidentally, as time’s gone by and homosexuality’s become more accepted in places, the gap between heterosexuals and homosexuals in those factors is decreasing. Likewise, in areas where gay people have strong community support and connection, you tend to see a strong decrease in risky behaviours and self-harm.

            These behaviours are a response to a situational factor, where homosexuals are not a part of an existing culture and so are forced into a sub-culture that is more accepting but also more risky. When they’re not excluded, the outcomes are more in line with the median.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            FACTS …. Disease

            2% of U.S. population is gay yet it accounts for 61% of HIV infection: “Men who have sex with men [MSM] remain the group most heavily affected by new HIV infections. While the CDC estimates that MSM represent only 2 percent of the U.S. population, they accounted for the majority (61 percent; 29,300) of all new HIV infections in 2009. Young MSM (ages 13 to 29) were most severely affected, representing more than one quarter of all new HIV infections nationally (27 percent; 12,900 in 2009).” (Center for Disease Control)

            “A recent CDC study found that in 2008 one in five (19%) MSM in 21 major US cities were infected with HIV, and nearly half (44%) were unaware of their infection.”

            25% of HIV infected in U.K. unaware of their infection: “Of the estimated 86,500 people living with HIV in the United Kingdom, about 25 percent are not aware they are infected, the Health Protection Agency said recently.”

            Clearly, the disease statistics related to a homosexual lifestyle prove that such a lifestyle is harmful not only to themselves but also to others, especially when you note that in both the U.S. and U.K. large percentages of HIV infected people don’t know they are infected. This is a danger to society since it supports the spread of disease on a large scale.

          • axelbeingcivil

            See, the big problem is, you keep conflating the risky behaviours with homosexuality. One is not necessary for the other. Plenty of heterosexuals engage in risky behaviours and plenty of homosexuals don’t. The engagement in risky behaviours is a consequence of environment, and one that declines in areas where mainstream culture is more accepting of homosexuals. It’s not a problem we’re going to see go away for a while, but is a solvable one.

            Second, if you consider it reasonable to treat a sexuality as a risk factor for acquiring STDs, then you should be advocating as many women as possible see how open they are to homosexuality, because homosexual women have, by far, the lowest STD rate.

          • Charles

            “”See, the big problem is, you keep conflating the risky behaviours with homosexuality. “”

            That’s because that’s the truth.. The numbers say so.. Which is even more amazing considering the very minute population of Homosexuals.

          • axelbeingcivil

            And that there are mongamous and/or otherwise mainstream homosexuals means nothing to you, huh?

          • Charles

            No. The overlying sin of homosexuality is still there..

          • axelbeingcivil

            If you say so. The point is that all the usual things attributed with the “homosexual lifestyle” are neither uniquely homosexual nor are required for homosexuals.

          • Charles

            There are plenty of Heterosexuals practicing in sin. Sin isn’t exclusive. It affects everyone.

          • axelbeingcivil

            Not really relevant to me, mate. Call anything you like a sin. All I care about here is accurate description of physical reality.

          • Charles

            God calls it a sin….. You know the creator of the heavens and earth? He’s been around a while. You’re “Marriages” will never be blessed and subject to the evil one. I guess if you’re good with that? I’m sorry, but you are deceived.

          • axelbeingcivil

            Those’re your beliefs and you’re free to have them.

          • epidipnis

            It’s funny because you grasp at the “homosexuals are unhealthy” angle because you know that you can’t object to someone being gay. You know that it’s wrong, but when it’s pointed out to you that there are plenty of healthy monogamous gay people, you fall back on “It’s a sin.”
            So, you’re demonstrating that no matter what you use to justify your intolerance, in the end, it’s just because you’re uncomfortable with the mental image.

          • Charles

            “”It’s funny because you grasp at the “homosexuals are unhealthy” angle because you know that you can’t object to someone being gay””.

            Not a grasp.. The numbers don’t lie. I most certainly can object to someone being gay.

            “”You know that it’s wrong, but when it’s pointed out to you that there are plenty of healthy monogamous gay people, you fall back on “It’s a sin.””

            This doesn’t make much sense.. Yes, I know it’s wrong.. It’s a sin. The health issue is a byproduct of the behavior.

            “”So, you’re demonstrating that no matter what you use to justify your intolerance, in the end, it’s just because you’re uncomfortable with the mental image.””

            Ha ha.. What mental image? I don’t have a mental image of homosexuality, or any other sin.. A sin is a sin.. I don’t need to justify anything. The Lord has already told you about sin.. But since you don’t believe in the Lord, you will continue in your sin.

          • epidipnis

            And you completely miss the point. That’s okay. I really wasn’t expecting you to get it.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Bottom line is that it is a Sin according to GOD’s word and HIS design and it is a very unhealthy lifestyle. Anyone who is caught up in it will tell you the truth. I know many former homosexuals who have told me just how horrible the lifestyle is. Many of them have been raped, molested and have over hundreds of partners and some are dying of AIDS. So yes that perversion of GOD’s design is a sin and it is unhealthy. I love others enough to speak the truth. DO YOU??? Or will you keep up the lie as amazing young men suffer and die.

          • epidipnis

            You’re answering a comment from 12 days ago? And it’s just a lazy rehash of your previous assertion. I would agree that any one person with hundreds of thousands of sexual partners would be unhealthy – They’d be dead of exhaustion.

            In fact, if you were to have 3 sex partners a night for an entire year, you’d only have 1095 partners. Starting at age 18, you’d have to live to the age of 110 to hit even just 100000. Now, if gay men are living to the ripe old age of 110, having sex every night with 3 different people, I’d say that’s not so unhealthy.

            However, I was talking about monogamy, which you’ve failed to address.

          • Oberon

            But homosexuality isn’t about action, it’s a state of being. How can homosexuality be a sin when you can be attracted to the same sex but never have a sexual experience?

          • Charles

            Same “State of being” that I can think about someones wife and never take action. Doesn’t take the sin away.. Jesus Christ takes sin away.. That’s the point. Only the Lord is capable of removing those thoughts.. I’m guessing God set it up that way for a reason.

          • Oberon

            You’re getting into thought police territory. We are all born with attractions. We don’t choose them. If we don’t act on those attractions I don’t think we are guilty of anything.

          • Charles

            “”We are all born with attractions. We don’t choose them. If we don’t act on those attractions I don’t think we are guilty of anything.””

            You are one hundred percent correct about the attractions. Maybe you don’t feel guilty about it. However, you can be released from fleshly bondage by the Lord Jesus Christ.

            (Mat 5:27 ESV) “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’

            (Mat 5:28 ESV) But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

          • Oberon

            No, I don’t think so.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Sin as defined by Scripture is …. Transgression of the laws of GOD. Therefore a thought which is not acted upon is not sin, yet has the potential to become sin if acted upon. Therefore take anger for instance… anger over something if dealt with will not become sin …yet if not dealt with it can lead to the act of murder. Lust if not dealt with can lead to acts of sexual immorality. Sin is the outward action of ones thoughts… Thoughts which were not brought under subjection to the Spirit of GOD.

          • Gary Metzger

            There is no comparison. When you look at risky behaviors, such as the stats given above which are exactly correct, homosexuals, bi’s, etc, lead the pack by a wide margin. That is simply unarguable. The sexual exploits of gay men especially are legendary, and honestly, I couldn’t put here half of what they do which guarantees WHY they lead the pack in acquiring and spreading diseases. The homosexual life has never been otherwise, and the only reason they live longer now than they once did is because medicine is more effective. God got it right the first time regarding male/female relationships, and homosexuals prove that every time CDC stats come out about their std’s, etc.

          • axelbeingcivil

            And you don’t think, say, cultural and environmental factors are at all confounding any of that? Because correlation very much does not imply causation, especially whem rates of occurrence decrease in more tolerant areas.

          • Sound Mind

            You are trying to deflect the facts by pointing out the permiscuous behavior of heterosexuals, and the diseases that result from their activities. What you fail to realize is that permiscuous Heterosexual behavior is just as wrong as homosexual behavior. I Would hope that no one person commenting on this thread is defending fornication (Sex outside of a committed and monogamous marriage between one man and one woman). So when I compare the sexually transmitted disease and medical problems statistics that result from homosexual behavior, I compare them too One man and one woman joined together in a committed and monogamous marriage, which is the way that God designed it to be from the very beginning. When you look at it from this perspective the homosexual lifestyle, and permiscuous heterosexual lifestyles are disgusting and unhealthy lifestyles. Subsequently, the marriage relationship that I described above is an exponentially safer lifestyle. Thus, proving the Bible correct when it says that the marriage bed is undefiled. However, this conversation is not about heterosexuals, but homosexuals. The California Board of Education is not talking about educating children on having multiple partners of the opposite sex, or educating them on a particular historical figure, And how he/she slept with over 1000 people of the opposite sex during their lifetime. They are talking about indoctrinating children with homosexual rederict in this fashion. So if you stay on topic the factual evidence that proves that the homosexual lifestyle is a destructive one still rings true.

          • axelbeingcivil

            Committed and monogamous homosexuals have the same STD transmission rate as committed and monogamous heterosexuals, mate. There’s nothing about being gay that forces you to be promiscuous.

          • Sound Mind

            You are making assumptions and an empty argument with no factual support whatsoever. Though homosexuality is consensual at times it is never without violence. One definition of violence is, “rough or injurious physical force, action, or treatment.” Medical research (too numerous to list here) clearly paints a broad picture of injuries caused to the human body by homosexual acts, and not one time does it mention culture as a culprit. Any medical doctor who is honest in his/her practice will tell you this, but they can’t through fear of lawsuits or the loss of their job. The homosexual lifestyle is in fact a disgusting, unhealthy, to say the least, form of living that is a direct threat to humanity itself who’s sole method of survival is based on procreation. I can say this with confidence because it is not based on opinion, but factual data that can be observed, measured, and repeated which is the definition of the scientific method by which we logically establish fact. I cannot call a rock a fish no more than I can call a man a woman for the two are distinctly opposites and not the same. To assert anything different would be to prove your own insanity. Anyone who promotes, defends, or accepts homosexuality as a ligitimate lifestyle is in fact homophobic. “Homo” is a Latin word that means man and is akin to human. Phobic or phobia means fear. Therefore to be homophobic is to fear man or humans. A homosexual lifestyle brings to life the very essence of being homophobic, but the homosexual proponents never cease to call those who are against this lifestyle by their own name. HYPOCRITES!
            If anyone chooses to live a homosexual lifestyle so be it, no one can stop you, but keep it to yourself. The question is, why do you need everyone else to validate your lifestyle if your so gay (happy) with it?

          • axelbeingcivil

            Alright, a few things:

            1. Most sex between gay men is non-penetrative; it’s usually oral or digital. Anal sex, meanwhile, is not unique to homosexual men; plenty of heterosexual couples enjoy it, regardless of which partner it’s performed on. There is no such thing as a uniquely homosexual act in regards to those things.

            2. Lesbians exist too. For some reason, in discussions of homosexuality, it’s always gay men who get the spotlight and people forget that gay women exist too. They make up about the same portion of the population as gay men do, so why the bias?

            3. Again with the “lifestyle”. There’s nothing unique in terms of habits of living to homosexuals, or vice versa, nor anything that prevents them from living a relatively mainstream lifestyle.

            4. Good grief, no, you are getting science all wrong. Observational and experimental studies are different. Observational studies are when you observe a phenomena; they can find correlations but not purely establish causation. They often have significantly more variables, exposing them to questionable outcomes. Experimental studies are those in which the test may be performed under strictly controlled conditions, reducing experimental variation and creating situations whereby cause and effect may be more strictly established.

            Studies of humans are pretty close to universally observational. We cannot repeat them by turning back the clock and running it over with slightly tweaked variables. Likewise, we cannot eliminate confounding factors, something you seem to be having trouble acknowledging. Confounding variables exist that affect results and these must (repeat: MUST) be considered when drawing any and all conclusions.

            5. Your etymology is all over the place. Homophobia is a recent word; a neologism of homosexual and -phobia. Phobia’s a Greek word; the proper etymological construction is Greek + Greek, which is why fear of humans is anthropophobia. Homosexual uses the Greek root, which means “same”; it’s the same root as homogenized.

            6. How on Earth does someone being gay mean they hate humanity? Seriously.

            7. Apply your own logic to yourself, why don’t you? Why not keep your own “lifestyle” to yourself? Gay people have as much a right to exist as who they are as you do. Should you not be able to hold your spouse’s hand in public? To share a kiss? To be who you want to be? So why shouldn’t they?

            If being gay wasn’t a thing that still got you fired or kicked out of your home in some places, this wouldn’t be an issue; the need for Pride Parades and safe spaces would vanish. But it is. So here we are.

          • epidipnis

            I’ve just got to say that you’re etymology is incorrect. You’re confusing the Greek homo with Latin homo.
            Technically speaking, it’s “fear of the same”, but it means “fear of homosexuality”. Perhaps “fear of your own urges”? It has been suggested that the most homophobic people are actually quite fearful of their own sexual curiosity. But that’s another thought for another time.

          • epidipnis

            You realize that much of what you’re saying is due to societal non-acceptance of homosexuality, and as more gay people are able to lead more open lives, they are able to lead better lives.
            Your comparison is like saying that black men used to suffer more from neck trauma, without taking into account the fact that lynchings were taking place.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            No it is because of the actual act of homosexual sex which causes these diseases. They cannot play the victim. Read up on the cause it’s not social pressure, it’s the physical sexual act… Not to mention the major infidelity in those lifestyles that creates diseases .

          • epidipnis

            It took you 4 days to reply and this is what you give me?

            There’s no difference between gay and lesbian sex and heterosexual sex. Humans have a wide variety of sexual practices, and you can’t lay one type of practice at the door of one orientation.

            And sex acts do not lead to disease. Disease just doesn’t spring up from nothing because someone is having oral sex, for instance. Certainly not from monogamous sex.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Answering your post was not the problem… getting a new modem in the mail was. Not to mention even if my modem had not gotten fried during last weeks storms… I do not live on the internet and may not reply do to living real life.. ok that said…

            2% of U.S. population is gay yet it accounts for 61% of HIV infection: “Men who have sex with men remain the group most heavily affected by new HIV infections. While CDC estimates that Men who have sex with men represent only 2 percent of the U.S. population, they accounted for the majority (61 percent; 29,300) of all new HIV infections in 2009. Young Men who have sex with men (ages 13 to 29) were most severely affected, representing more than one quarter of all new HIV infections nationally (27 percent; 12,900 in 2009).” (Center for Disease Control)

            It is quite obvious which sexual acts are dangerous to those who participate in it. Homosexual sex is indeed the most dangerous in regards to HIV and AIDs , not only to those who practice the lifestyle but also to society .

          • epidipnis

            HIV infection through sexual contact is impossible in a monogamous relationship, unless one partner is already infected. It works the same for heterosexual couples.

            As I said before, with an increase in monogamous relationships and societal acceptance, HIV transmission will decline. It’s difficult to understand how anyone could object to that.

          • Amos Moses

            Not trying ………… DOING ……………..

          • axelbeingcivil

            That’s not how homosexuality works, man. You can prove it to yourself: Have you ever been sexually attracted to a man? Ever? Have you ever wanted to perform sexual acts with a man? Have them hold you, touch you, caress you? Kiss you?

            Or do those thoughts make you thoroughly uncomfortable?

          • Amos Moses

            Irrelevant ………. but nice try to deflect ……… we all have the SIN nature to commit ANY SINFUL act ………… EVEN YOU ……….. murder, theft, fornication, etc ………………

          • axelbeingcivil

            It’s not irrelevant. If you’ve never felt the desire to bang a dude like a steel drum, why would you assume anyone else could be convinced to? It’s not a choice.

            Since it’s not a choice, telling kids about homosexuality to help inform them on the topic is hardly going to give any kids homosexual urges, is it?

            Ergo, your accusations of grooming are pretty blatantly false.

            (Incidentally, I’m aware I’m not perfect. I am, however, straight as an arrow, orientation-wise.)

          • Amos Moses

            It is always a choice …….. what you are saying is similar to “murderers are born that way and the only way they can be happy is to murder” ………. and it is a lie ………

          • axelbeingcivil

            First off, you’re comparing a violent, non-consensual act with a non-violent, consensual one. You might wanna shift your vector of comparison.

            Second, that’s completely irrelevant to the point that you can’t “groom” people to be gay; either you’re attracted to people of the same sex or you aren’t. You made a false claim.

          • Amos Moses

            It is the same argument …… we are all born murderers …………. we are just as capable of ANY SIN ………….. but if you prefer ….. substitute theft …….

          • Ronald Carter

            No, we are not all born murderers, and I would flee any religious organization that teaches you such a horrible thing.

          • Amos Moses

            So it is impossible for anyone to murder ………… you are incapable of murder …….. REALLY ……. LIAR AGAIN ……………

          • Ronald Carter

            Some people might be born murderers, but not others. That insane black-or-white mentality of yours again, Amos. Stop lying, stop speaking on behalf of people you do not know, stop speaking on behalf of God, and stop calling names.

          • Amos Moses

            EVERYBODY is capable of murder ……….. there are no exceptions ……….. LIAR ………..

          • Oberon

            I’m not.

          • Amos Moses

            So a liar ……..

          • Oberon

            No, it’s not a lie. I could physically never kill anyone. Even if I were drafted.

          • Amos Moses

            Sorry ………. not buying it ……….. if the means were made available …… and you had motivation ………. you would …… even if you could not pull a trigger ……… you are capable of the manipulation it requires to have another do it ………. so that is a lie …….

          • Oberon

            Respectfully, no, you don’t know me, and no, I could not pull a trigger to take a human life. Maybe you should take people are their word when they tell you something rather than assume they are lying to you.

          • Amos Moses

            Respectfully …………. i do not have to know you ……….. we know men and what they are capable of ………… so you are lying to yourself and to everyone else …….. not buying it ……

          • Oberon

            It doesn’t matter whether you buy it or not. I do not have the capacity for murder. Period.

          • Amos Moses

            Bovine Scatology ………….

          • Oberon

            I can’t believe a Christian fundamentalist who does not know me is calling me a potential murderer.

          • Amos Moses

            WE ARE ALL potential murderers ………. and scripture says so ………..

          • Amos Moses

            Biblically ………….. giving another driver the finger is murder ………… it is the thought that is the sin of murder ………. so again ………… not buying it …………

          • Oberon

            Oh, I see the problem. I was using the word “murder” by the definition used by normal people, i.e. killing them, not giving them the finger.

          • Amos Moses

            No ………… this is a christian forum ………. or did you miss that ……………. this a discussion from a biblical perspective ……………. but you knew that ……….

          • Oberon

            Yes, and I know many Christians all of whom discuss things from a Biblical perspective, and they all agree about what “murder” means.

          • Amos Moses

            And if they do not agree with Christ ………….. they are wrong ………….

          • Oberon

            They do agree with Christ. Just maybe not with you.

          • Amos Moses

            Wrong …………… do you need the relevant scriptures to show you …….

          • Oberon

            Yes, I would be very interested in knowing where in the Bible it says that giving a driver the finger in traffic is murder.

          • Amos Moses

            The thought of the sin is the sin …….. to call someone stupid or a fool is that sin ….. by extension …… giving them the finger as an expression of anger …….. samething ……

            Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

            Romans
            3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
            3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
            3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
            3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
            3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
            3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
            3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
            3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
            3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

          • Oberon

            Yep. No mention of murder whatsoever. As I said.

          • Amos Moses

            It is a sin …….. so take your pick ……… FYI ……… to break one is to break ALL of them ……

            Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

          • Amos Moses

            The entire passage is Christ speaking of SIN as a thought crime against God …….

            5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
            5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
            5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
            5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
            5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
            5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
            5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
            5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
            5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
            5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

          • Oberon

            Whose context? Yours?
            I know of no other Christian who would read it that way.

          • Amos Moses

            Biblical context ……. i have no context outside scripture …… if i did …… it would no longer be scripture …… the only way to read anything is in context ……. do you read the fist sentence of Moby Dick ….. “Call me Ishmael” and take it to be about Muslims …. only an idiot does ……..

          • Oberon

            Well, you’re using the word “murder” in a way that no one, Christian or otherwise does, so this isn’t anything to do with scripture but about you not understanding what a word means.

          • Amos Moses

            “Well, you’re using the word “murder” in a way that no one, Christian or otherwise does, ”

            No ………. that is Christs definition of it ………. disagree ……….. then you need to take it up with Christ, Ronnie …..

          • Oberon

            You have me confused with someone else, who has likely argued this same point in the past…murder has one definition only.

          • Amos Moses

            “murder has one definition only.”

            Correct ………… GODS Definition …………… His was the first ………….. still applies ……

          • Oberon

            God’s definition is not the one you provided. You are not a Christian.

          • Amos Moses

            I did provide it to you ……… from scripture ….. do you need it again ………..

            5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
            5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

          • axelbeingcivil

            Theft is still an act between two non-consenting parties and often violent.

          • Amos Moses

            Does not matter if it is consenting OR NOT ……….. it is a CHOICE ……. to SIN or not to SIN ………………. and we are ALL born SINNERS ………

          • axelbeingcivil

            A question for you: Could a human being ever choose to lead a completely sinless life, and thus not require Christ’s sacrifice to be considered worthy of Heaven?

          • Amos Moses

            “Could a human being ever choose to lead a completely sinless life, and thus not require Christ’s sacrifice to be considered worthy of Heaven?”

            No ………. but many reject Christ as their only road to salvation ………. and you cannot embrace egregious sin and embrace Christ simultaneously …… its like saying “i can jump off this cliff and not fall” ……………

          • axelbeingcivil

            So, if people can’t possibly choose not to sin, in what way is sin a choice?

          • Amos Moses

            Because men are born sinners ………. they choose sin …….. they are capable of other choices ….. we do not sin and then become sinners ….. we are sinners and so we sin …..

            but not if they have Christ ………… without Christ they will continuously choose sin ………… with Christ there is freedom to choose otherwise ………. there is no freedom outside of Christ ….. the illusion of freedom is outside of Christ …… but that is it …..

          • axelbeingcivil

            But if people are capable of other choices, then they must, in theory, be capable of choosing never to sin. Otherwise, they are inevitably doomed to sin, meaning it’s not a choice.

            So which is it?

          • Amos Moses

            But they do not ………. they choose sin until they learn there is another way ……… they do not come to this knowledge on their own ……….. they are incapable …….

          • axelbeingcivil

            So Christians never sin again, eh?

          • Amos Moses

            No one said that ………… repentance is changing ones mind about God …. who He is …. what He has done for us ….. forgiveness of our past SINS ….. some so egregious we would be embarrassed to list them …..

            BUT ……….. with that forgiveness …….. we understand that we would never want to be what we were …… not because God would not forgive it again ….. but we realize the penalty Christ paid for it ………. and our shame at that …. that it was our offence was to God/Christ and that caused Him to be crucified ….. and we are forever changed …… to not be what we once were ……

            Do we still SIN ….. sure …. as sinners we do …. even without realizing it at times …… but there is no forgiveness without repentance …. without coming into agreement with God about SIN …… there is no compromising it ….

          • axelbeingcivil

            I think you misunderstand why I asked: You said that people can choose to follow Christ and therefore avoid sin, but clearly this is not the case. You’re still not acknowledging the paradox here: Either people are fully capable of choosing never to sin, but apparently don’t, or they aren’t. You seem to agree that nobody can “not” sin, it’s an essential nature, but if that’s the case, how can sin be considered a choice?

          • Gary Metzger

            You can’t groom people to be gay? THIS testimony from a lesbian about her son…..“I’m constantly like trying to queer my relationship with him and get him to wear tutus. He hates it. He’s just like, ‘no,’” Michelle said.” —- That sounds an awful lot like grooming to me!

          • axelbeingcivil

            First off, there’s miles of difference between that and educating kids about homosexuality.

            Second, she’s not actually given any sign that she’s changed his orientation somehow. Quite the opposite.

            No, you can’t groom people to be gay, or straight for that matter, as the agonized testimonies of many “ex-gays” can tell you if you reject neurological and genetic studies.

          • Gary Metzger

            The point is she’s TRYING to change it, which goes totally against the grain of the “born this way” message. As far as “agonized testimonies” of ex-gays, the only ones I’ve heard are testimonies of the JOY these ex-gays feel once they’ve been delivered from the chains of that debilitating life! And no wonder they feel this way, once you realize the depths of depravity their sexual practices take them to! The media can spin homosexuality anyway they want. There’s nothing glorious about it, and nothing worthy of imitation in it. Little by little, it sucks the life and soul from the human being who practices it, and these experience nothing but inexpressible joy when released from that bondage.

          • epidipnis

            I don’t know where your quote comes from, but it sounds like she’s having fun with her child. You’re reading a nefarious intent into it, more than likely.

          • Gary Metzger

            I don’t think we can post links on here. The quote is from this conversation from the boy’s mother……“I’m constantly, like, trying to queer my relationship with him and get him to wear tutus. He hates it. He’s just, like, ‘No,’” she continued. “When I catch myself trying to do these things, it ends up making me feel really retro and dumb about gender,” Michelle continued. “It just takes me away from the reality of, like, him, Atticus. Like, who is he? What does he want? And the sort of purity of the things that he’s interested in or delighted by. Obviously, I want to support whatever he wants to be.”Michelle later concluded she doesn’t care what her son Atticus grows up to be; she just wants to give him the variety of options.”

            —— See, I have a problem with her last statement as well. If he was “born that way,” then why does she have to give him a variety of options?” Doesn’t make sense. Whatever he’s born to be, according to the LGBT, he should just naturally flow into that mold, rather than have to be exposed to it. Just more proof it’s not born this way, but TAUGHT this way…..

          • epidipnis

            Not sure how one person’s comment is proof. It’s not well-worded. Sounds like she wants her son to grow up comfortable with who he is, and that he has the ability to express himself whatever way he turns out. It doesn’t sound like she’s saying that he can actually choose to be one way or the other. But, maybe she believes that he can.
            You’re certainly ready to take your perception of one person’s words as proof of something when it appears to confirm what you already believe.

          • axelbeingcivil

            How does it go against the grain? There are people in this thread – presumably yourself included – who believe homosexuality is a choice despite never having apparently chosen their own heterosexuality. It demonstrates nothing beyond the idea that some gay people are as thoughtless on this topic as some straight people.

            As for the things you’ve heard, maybe you should expand your perspective a little and go looking for things that doesn’t confirm your perceptions? Have you spent time googling people who’ve felt victimized after undergoing “reparative therapy”? Seen how many of them just become celibate rather than actually somehow become straight?

          • Gary Metzger

            It goes against the grain because gays are all about “born this way,” but here is this lesbian clearly trying to steer her child into the LGBT mode of life. If he’s born that way, there would be no need for her to introduce him to it. Regarding reparative therapy, I could care less about that one bit. I’m only interested in Jesus therapy. Homosexuality, like all sins, is a sin problem, not a gene problem, or a born this way problem. As far as expanding my perspective on this, I don’t need to look very far before I realize it’s confirmed by what I observe with my eyes alone, much less CDC statistics.

          • axelbeingcivil

            Google “confirmation bias” and then come back to me.

            Also, homosexuals aren’t omniscient or less prone to the same traps of thought other people are. A gay person making the same mistake everyone else here has only proves they’re human.

          • Charles

            I have to ask, if people are born that way.. How come a lesbian wanted to sleep with me? She wanted to know what it was to be with a man. She wasn’t Bi either. She had never slept with a guy.. That doesn’t sound like someone who’s “Sold” on homosexuality, or born that way.

          • axelbeingcivil

            Humans are complex?Sexuality is a spectrum, with people filling every conceivable point. Plus, she might have just genuinely have been curious to try it , without actually feeling any erotic or romantic enticement.

            (Important point: Romantic and erotic attraction are very much not the same thing. You can have one without the other.)

            You shouldn’t be asking me about that if you’re curious, though; you should be asking her.

          • Gary Metzger

            Good example of “murderers are born that way.” The truth is, if we WERE born that way, or any other way, then human beings could never be held responsible for their behavior.

          • D Sims

            Have you ever felt the urge to put a spoonful of mash potatoes in your ear instead of your mouth? If we were eating at a restaurant and I proceeded to do this I would hope you would stop and educate me that the ear was not made for this purpose.

            Every one of us has a choice in every part of life. I used to be an alcoholic, adulterer, womanizer, among other wonderful practices and desires I was born with but I learned that they were leading me to an early death. It was killing me slowly and softly. I learned that I do not have to practice what I desire.

            We had one of our junior high grand kids ask my wife, “why do so many kids at school think it is cool to be gay or bi?” Trust me, even if there are legitimate desires for same sex in a minority, because of the constant glorifying of this practice there will be many that will be curious and follow the crowd that would have not normally done so.

          • Ronald Carter

            I assume your question about putting a spoon in your ear is supposed to be a comparison to homosexual sex? Are you aware that many homosexuals do not practice it, and also that LOTS of straight people do?

            Anyway, sex is only a component of a loving relationship, and for some reason it is the only aspect of it that Christians ever seem to focus on.

          • axelbeingcivil

            If you tried to put potatoes in your ear, I’d stare at you quizzically and maybe chuckle if I knew you. You’re an adult and I’d see no particular reason to intervene unless you, say, started to stab yourself in the temple with the spoon.

            I don’t have to find something sensible or personally enjoyable to acknowledge that other people might, and if it gives them comfort and doesn’t harm anyone in the process, I’m not going to judge.

            As for kids, I’m not going to deny that there are some kids who latch onto sexual orientation and gender identity as a fad – tumblr is full of them – but those kids won’t just settle for being gay or bi; they’ll use whatever fancy, most auteur term they can find. It’s not hard to pick them out from the crowd.

            For the majority of gay or bi kids, I assure that the experience is not that their orientation makes them “cool”. For most, it will be a source of bullying, insult, and threat. They’re way more able to be “out” nowadays, but that doesn’t mean it’s easy to be so. What your grand kids might see as it “being cool”, they experience as educators telling them that it’s not actually a crime for them to exist; that the suffering they experience is wrong and that people should treat them like humans.

            Read up on the horror stories some kids go through. Help your grand kids develop some empathy by asking them to consider what it’s like to be gay or bi. Ask them why they think pride parades exist (the answers are not “recruitment” or “to promote an agenda”). You’ll find that, for most, it’s not “cool”; it’s an agonizing struggle.

          • D Sims

            Since you have turned this conversation around to how they are treated as far as their personal practices in life then we can agree on this. I work in the inner cities where there are many types of practices including zoophilia, bi, homosexuality and every other sexual practice and we show mercy, kindness without compromising the truth. So concerning treating all people with respect and kindness that we can agree.

            There is all kinds of bullying in the educational system. Bi-racial kids really get slammed along with the poor, handicapped, and homeless kids. The poor will always be with us and so will the ignorant.

            My grand kids know the truth more than many adults when it comes to the sanctity of the human body. They themselves are not struggling with it in the slightest, just wondering why many other kids are boasting about trying it out. Of course with Glee and other T.V. shows that promote the joys of sexual liberation there is where they will answer their own question.

            As far as the potatoes? You and everyone else know exactly what I am speaking about. We are not ignorant nor are we blind. I also am not naive enough to think just because God’s original intent and sanctity of the human body is really important to Him, I know that God is in the minority. Humans have been defiling themselves with their own desires and sexual perversions since the beginning and it is not going to stop. Matter of fact it will get worse.

          • http://biblewordstudy.org Adam in Christ

            Not to but in here, but…zoophilia, too??

          • D Sims

            Hey Adam, yes, I have encountered both men and women who have had sex with animals. It is not something that is a regular confession at this point but around the world it is a growing industry.

          • http://biblewordstudy.org Adam in Christ

            I have, sadly, heard that it is an especially increasing industry over in certain parts of Europe.

            We’re just steadily advancing further into the days of Noah, eh?

          • D Sims

            Adam, in my opinion bestiality is still in the “disgusting” stage among most people. Most if not a huge majority of people would not be interested in bringing that practice into our culture as they do trans, bi’s, and same sex practices.

            But I truly believe that one day, it will slowly be incorporated into the culture. It will never be approved by everyone just like these other practices but none the less it will be given a voice. I am sure there will be Brokeback Mountain 2, where the cowboy divorces the other cowboy and falls in love with his horse. Then people will see how these people need respect too, etc etc etc.

            When we open one door, other doors will demand the same.

          • http://biblewordstudy.org Adam in Christ

            That’s certainly an agreeable post.

            The groundwork has already been laid by the pro-gay movement: Rhetorical catch-phrases such as “born this way”, “God is love/love wins”, “committed”, “don’t judge”, etc. can simply be co-opted and a bit customized for any such additional group in order to promote their particular brand of sexual perversion, also.

            I think, though, that incest and pedophilia (through lowering the age of consent) will be the next ones on the horizon to be ushered in.

          • D.M.S.

            We haven’t seen nothing yet. I just wonder if these atrocities of our culture presented to all of society will take place before or after the rapture.
            Granted we Christians are seeing and hearing and reading of these sexual atrocities everyday.
            When it becomes common practice, will we then be in the days of Noah?

          • http://biblewordstudy.org Adam in Christ

            Brother…concerning the world’s return to the days of Noah, I’ve thought quite a bit on this — and it still seems like a wild thought — but let me provide some Scripture here to illustrate it:

            Matthew 24:37-39
            …(37)But as the days of Noe, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

            (38)For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, (39)And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be…

            Genesis 6:4
            …There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare to them, the same mighty men which of old, men of renown…

            I noticed that Jesus never stated anything along the lines of “…with the exception of the giants.” when He brought up the days of Noah.

          • D.M.S.

            Basically what you’re saying is the world of 1 John 2:15-17. will be oblivious to what’s going on around themselves.
            Only Christians for Christ Jesus will know what’s going on. And the world will consider us Christians just as looney as the world thought Noah and his family were.

          • http://biblewordstudy.org Adam in Christ

            Yes! It’s amazing just how precisely things parallel with each other here.

            Noah & the Ark: The world thought of him as looney…and then the end (by water).

            Christians & Christ: The world thinks of us as looney…and then the end (by fire).

          • Amos Moses

            WOW ………….. Great conversation between you and D.M.S. …………… Thanks to both of you …….

          • Oberon

            And I was just thinking how horrifying it was that anyone could think that way.

          • Amos Moses

            Right back at ‘cha ………….

          • Amos Moses

            BAM! …………………

          • Oberon

            No, come on, be serious. No one will ever legalize bestiality because it’s an act of abuse on an animal. Don’t you know what consent means? Here’s a list of things that can’t consent: children, animals, buildings, plants….basically anything non-human and not a child. So there’s a handy guide for you to use in the future.

          • Oberon

            Um…are you really serious?

          • axelbeingcivil

            I’d say things are getting better, not worse. Read the Old Testament and the New. Nowadays, we have age of consent laws, positive consent laws, harsh treatment for abuse of minors, and are gradually doing away with laws designed to persecute sexual minorities. And that’s just the stuff related to sex.

            Until recently, kids as young six have been married off in the West, especially in frontier regions. Now, we see that as barbaric. Seems like an improvement to me.

            Today, in the developed world, slavery is abolished and seen as an unthinkable crime. We’ve banished entire diseases. Food is cheap and abundant. Technology advances so quickly it’s become a struggle for us to keep up.

            The world is getting better, not worse. Yeah, we’ve got our problems, but a perception of a downward spiral is only that; a perception. We wheel up and down on rises and falls but we’ve come a long way forwards and, I think, have a long way still to go.

            Kids will be kids. They’re not adults. But it’s easy to mistake, when you’re primed to dislike something, a feeling of openness and acceptance for bragging. And when kids do brag, well… I’d honestly prefer that to abuse.

          • Charles

            “”The world is getting better, not worse. Yeah, we’ve got our problems, but a perception of a downward spiral is only that; a perception. We wheel up and down on rises and falls but we’ve come a long way forwards and, I think, have a long way still to go.””

            Congrats. You’ve been deceived.

          • axelbeingcivil

            So, my immunity to polio’s an illusion, eh? Abolition of slavery in the developed world, just a mirage? Or do you not consider those things to be good?

          • D Sims

            You must live in a very protected environment reading statistics all day. When you get out in the trenches of society trust me, it is getting worse. The conscience of man is getting worse with constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth of God, imagining that godliness is a means of success. The love of self is spreading like wildfire, arrogance, pride, disrespectful to parents and their fellow humans. Addictions are at an all time high, homelessness is rampant, road rage is climbing to new heights. Each year the percentage of people who believe the Word of God is inspired by the Holy Spirit is growing off the charts, and in response less and less are even reading it or obeying it. The list goes on.

          • axelbeingcivil

            I never said the world was perfect; just that it’s improving. Life’s never going to be flawless.

            Also, if you want to talk about addiction at all time highs, look at the First Opium War.

          • Gary Metzger

            Those thoughts are thoroughly unnatural. We are programmed by God to be attracted to members of the opposite sex, NEVER the same sex. And let’s assume I DID actually want to do that, though that would never be the case in a million years. The FACTS of the sexual diseases acquired and spread by homosexual would be enough in and of itself to put the brakes on that activity.

          • axelbeingcivil

            Yeah, no. Homosexuals don’t choose to feel attracted to people of the same sex any more than you choose to be attracted to people of the opposite sex. Go ahead and try it if tou don’t believe me; force yourself to be attracted to something.

            As for diseases, you realize heterosexual people can get and transmit STIs too, yeah? And that gay women have pretty much the lowest STI rate?

            STIs aren’t just a risk of gay sex; they’re a risk of sex, period. The rates of acquisition among heterosexuals are disquieting, and show that anonymous and unprotected sex plays no favourites with orientation.

            Being gay doesn’t mean you have to cruise clubs for or night stands.

          • Gary Metzger

            There’s no comparison between LEVEL of std’s in the homosexual community and that of the heterosexual community. And nope, they sure DID choose to be attracted to people of the same sex. Every behavior we engage in, no matter that behavior, is always a choice. There are no exceptions. God made us emotionally and PHYSICALLY to engage in sexual relationships with a member of the opposite sex, and it’s simply futile to argue against that. Sodomy never WAS, or ever WILL be a safe act to commit, yet it is the only physical “union” one man can have with another man, and it’s as deadly of an act as one can commit.

          • epidipnis

            “Sodomy” covers a lot of heterosexual acts, if you were to take its legal definition. But, even the use of the word sodomy is antiquated.
            You need to define your terms a little more, if you want to discuss the subject. Even so, nobody’s teaching children sex positions. They’re teaching them about tolerance and history.

          • axelbeingcivil

            That’s absolute bollocks. You don’t choose to see when your eyes are open; you don’t choose to feel cold when you touch a block of ice; you don’t choose to hear when someone speaks. Certain sensations will make you frustrated, angry, joyful. You engage in countless automatic behaviours that you have no control over.

            Arousal is one of them. You don’t make a choice to be attracted to someone.

            Also, you do realize most sex between gay men is oral or digital, not anal, right? And that lesbians exist? And anal sex is performed by straight couples.

            Seriously, women can be gay too. Why do people keep ignoring that fact?

          • Delores Sue Humphrey

            i have forced myself to be attracted to something and changed attractions
            for wrong things i was attracted to. the quilt associated with homosexual acts is not just from bulling.

          • Amos Moses

            SIN is SUPPOSED TO MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE …………… DUH!!!!! ……. That is WHY homosexuals will NEVER BE GAY (happy) ………….. that is why even if you kill and destroy every vestige of christianity ………. homosexuals will still be in SHAME ………… They KNOW it is still WRONG …

          • axelbeingcivil

            And you base that on what, precisely?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            The fact is that most immoral thoughts make everyone uncomfortable until they go from a thought to a practice. When it goes from thoughts to actions most will feel horrible at first and try to hide it, then if they repeat the immoral act, they will attempt to justify it and when they cannot they will continue but silence their conscience so that the unthinkable now becomes an immoral impulse and addiction. It’s call human nature and that stands for every immoral thought, whether it be infidelity, fornication, lusts, murder, theft , lying , cheating , laying with beasts, men with men or women with women… etc etc… The only remedy is to go back to that thought of immorality and admit you acted upon it because you cared more about pleasing your own self then pleasing your CREATOR. That you cared more about your own self then about others and how your actions would affect society as a whole.

          • axelbeingcivil

            Uh huh? So you find yourself attracted to people of the same sex, do you?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            I came across it as a child… as did my husband. I thought about it but never acted upon it… My husband played with they idea also when he ran across it as a child but he also did not act upon it.

            An attraction is not an act it’s a feeling. Some feelings are acceptable and some are not. If you act upon a sexual perversion , you have chemical that go off in your brain which train your brain to desire the act. It can be any perversion… sex with animals , pornography , sex with children, adultery , men with men, women with women , even painful S&M,etc etc… all if acted upon create desires and cravings within the brain for more… just as heterosexual sex does. GOD made sex that way so men and women would desire one another but when you act upon a perversion of your CREATORS design , you create desires and lusts that are hard to break.

          • axelbeingcivil

            Generally speaking, prior to puberty, children don’t quite experience the same sexual instincts as adults do. But hey, you might be a little bit bi? Human sexuality isn’t binary.

            Not really my point, though. People don’t choose to feel attracted to other people of the same sex, any more than they do people of the opposite sex. They might choose to act upon it or not, but that’s not my point; my point is that the actual attraction certainly isn’t a choice.

          • Oberon

            Hear, hear.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Neither is the actual attraction to children, animals, pain sex, adultery, fornication , pornography…. the list is endless and if we are to follow our attractions we are no more then mere animals who cannot know right from wrong but only follow their instincts.

          • Janet Tripp-Survis

            And KILL THE FAMILY!

          • Ronald Carter

            “Kill the family”? How?

        • Stephen W.

          White Christians likewise objected to black history being taught to children.

          • Amos Moses

            Homosexuals still trying to equate RACE with DEPRAVITY …………. psssttt ….. got news for you ………. DEPRAVITY has no color …… and your depravity is still SIN …………. Race is not a sin …………

          • Stephen W.

            Neither is homosexuality.

          • Amos Moses

            Yes………. in and of itself …………….. it leads to premature death and disease ……… Race does not ……… so it is a SIN and Race is not ………….

        • Lique.lique

          Agree @Amos Moses this is opening the door for all now. Who is going to stop NAMBLA North American Man/Boy Love Association, or those who practice bestiality or those who don’t feel pedophilia is wrong. This is grooming children to accept all forms of love smh As Christians its unfortunate that we have to start to tell young children who can not understand sexuality about sexual orientation. But I feel its best that this discussion comes from the parents and it is backed up with bibical facts letting the child know that this goes against the word of God and our beliefs.

        • Gary Metzger

          You’re exacty right Moses. There is simply no other reason to teach 2 year olds about THIS subject, considering at that age they’re nothing but imitators and parrots, acting out what they see and repeating everything they hear. The LGBT is really tipping their hand on this one, especially to anyone who knows their agenda. Protect your children from their public school indoctrination’s at all costs!!!

          • Amos Moses

            Prv 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

            And we can see what they want to train them up as …………

          • Gary Metzger

            That’s very obvious, isn’t it?

          • Amos Moses

            So much so that Marx had to steal it ………….

        • Balerion

          You mean like priests and pastors are known to do?

          • Amos Moses

            Yep ………. men are abusers of power ………. what else you got …………

    • Ronald Carter

      Utterly disgusting comment, Amos. The subject isn’t pedophilia and homosexuals are not the same thing as pedophiles. Vile.

      • Amos Moses

        Sure they are ………….. sexual confused and depraved ………… same boat, different oar ….

        • Ronald Carter

          No, Amos. Look them up in the dictionary. Completely different. One is legal and the other is not, they could hardly be more different. Your faith looks particularly repugnant when you say these sorts of things.

          • Amos Moses

            That you reject truth surprises no one here …………

          • Ronald Carter

            I just proved that you lied, Amos.

          • Amos Moses

            Sure ……….. where is the “proof” ……… to know the difference ….. you would have to be in truth ……….. you are not ………. you lie to yourself ……….

          • Ambulance Chaser

            The only thing that’s “truth” is that homosexuality has nothing to do with pedophilia. Unless you have some evidence to the contrary, I strongly suggest that you stop equating the two.

          • Ronald Carter

            He’s got a rather strange idea of what “truth” is – he claims to have it, but when you give him the real thing, he seems almost impervious to it.

          • Amos Moses

            i am impervious …….. to your continuous lies ……..

          • Amos Moses

            They are both sexual deviance ……… and so …….. as i said …… same boat, different oar ……. BTW, GROOMING IS PEDOPHILIA ………..

          • ComeOnPeople!

            There have been many studies showing that many young men who became homosexuals were in fact molested by a pedophile . They is also evidence that children who were molested grow up to molest themselves.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            FACT…. Sexual Molestation

            Higher sexual molestation with homosexual parents: “A disproportionate percentage–29–percent–of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6 percent of adult children of heterosexual parents having reported sexual relations with their parent. . . . Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50.”

            Certainly, no one wants children molested by adults. (Unfortunately, pedophilia is now being pushed as another ‘sexual orientation’ Society needs to protect its children–not subject them to sexual pressures and molestation. However, the homosexual lifestyle clearly presents an increased threat to our children.

            Sexual Promiscuity

            Sexual promiscuity helps support the spread of disease. What are the promiscuity statistics of the homosexual community? Shockingly bad!

            28% of homosexual men had more than 1000 partners: “Bell and Weinberg reported evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. 83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50 or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners. Bell and Weinberg p 308.”

            Low rate of sexual fidelity among homosexuals. “There is an extremely low rate of sexual fidelity among homosexual men as compared to married heterosexuals. Among married females 85% reported sexual fidelity. Among married men, 75.5% reported sexual fidelity. Among homosexual males in their current relationship, 4.5% reported sexual fidelity.

            Does anyone think that such mind-blowing promiscuity is healthy for any society, especially when the homosexual community is particularly subject to HIV infection? Homosexuals are members of society; and their behavior, which is a manifestation of their “orientation,” is extremely dangerous.

          • Ronald Carter

            Where did you cut and paste this load of hate from? I have serious issues with it factually.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            “There have been many studies showing that many young men who became homosexuals were in fact molested by a pedophile”

            I’m sorry, do you mean that they grew up to be homosexual BECAUSE they were molested? If so, cite, please. If not, then your point is irrelevant.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            What he is saying is that in the WORD of GOD both are forms of sexual deviations from what GOD created, the relationship between a husband and wife. Which by the way … Adultery, fornication, lesbianism , sex with beasts and sex with siblings … etc.etc… are also. He is saying they are all in the same boat as a perverted form of a relationship between a husband and wife.

          • Ronald Carter

            Yes, I understand perfectly that Amos hates everything. But pedophilia and homosexuality could not be more different.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Homosexuality is a behavior that is based, as many claim, on an orientation. What about other sexual orientations such as pedophilia, voyeurism, necrophilia, bestiality, polygamy, incest, exhibitionism, fetishes, frotterism, masochism, sadism, etc.? The arguments for and against these other “orientations” are many, and we won’t go into them. But, who is to say that those who fall into these sexual categories won’t use the homosexual agenda’s orientation argument as a basis to further their own causes? If you think this is a ridiculous idea, then you are not aware of the fact that pedophiles are doing just that. See… “Pedophiles want same rights as homosexuals.” Incest is sure to follow (See … “Rick Santorum was right about Incest and the Slippery Slope ).” The slippery slope is exactly the issue. Once sexual morays are loosed, marriage definitions and fidelity are loosened, too. Nothing happens in a society by itself since their intertwining social strings have collateral effects.

            We have to ask, why then would it be promoted so heavily when it is so harmful? The only answer I can come up with (aside from a biblical one) is that the politically correct don’t care about the facts. Instead, they want their agenda promoted. They want their sexual freedom without responsibility. They, like so many tyrants in history, want to force their minority opinion on the majority to satisfy their own appetites.

        • Jalapeno

          How can you compare having sex with a consenting adult to having sex with a child?

          • Amos Moses

            Statutory rape does not recognize the difference of consent ……. GROOMING young children to accept homosexuality and other sexual deviance ………….. is PEDOPHILIA ……

          • Jalapeno

            Statutory rape is rape because the young person cannot legally consent.. So.. Consent is still the issue

          • Amos Moses

            No ……….. not to the person raped …………. statutory rape does not recognize consent …….. it is not an issue … if they consented or not ……….

          • Jalapeno

            Yes..it doesn’t recognize consent because they CANT consent.

          • Janet Tripp-Survis

            AMEN!

  • 201821208 :)

    “Parents should begin when the children are very young, speaking matter-of-factly with preschoolers about their bodies and how men and women are made differently. Those conversations transition naturally into more complex areas as the child matures. It is important that a child knows he can talk to mom or dad about anything that confuses him.
    Sexual information bombards us from every direction, so these parent-child conversations must begin very early. Before parents allow a school system to instruct in sexuality or morality, they must be sure their children have already learned the truth. When parents are proactive in their children’s instruction, those children have a basis upon which to recognize and reject errors that the world promotes as truth.”

  • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

    Some say there are no tears in heaven. For now i think there are tears in heaven. I know one day there will be no tears for God will wipe them away.
    We have killed Millions of unborn Humans legally since 1973. No telling how many more were killed illegally. Some Doctors are killing unborn humans and not reporting them. Now they want to teach young Children things that only a parent should teach. How much more will God put up with? When we God say enough is enough.We are the Generation who approves of everything that God is against. And so many try to justify their sins using the word of God.The day is coming many will face Christ.Most will fall on their face in shame. But all will declare that Christ is Lord. Even the ones who Reject God and His Son. How sad it will be on that day 🙁

    • http://www.the-only-way.net five.to.midnight

      “And Jesus wept” John11:35KJV
      Jesus wept because when sin death came into this world. When Jesus Christ would not have wept at the grave of Lazarus God would have not been able to wipe away all tears.

  • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

    What will the California Board of Education do to the rebellious children that already think critically about these matters? How will they prevent their protected pagans from persecuting pupils? Will they allow them freedom of speech and freedom of conscience, or are these new sanctimonious sermons superior to the wellbeing of actual flesh and blood children? I believe that the answer to all of this is that they do not care a single bit about the damage that their policy will do to children. Horrible nasty children especially, which wickedly persist in holding contrary views to that which they are taught.

    • Ronald Carter

      I’ll admit “protected pagans” gave me a laugh, but likely not in the way you would want.

      • Lexical Cannibal

        Dude, I wish I was half as protected as Christians thought I was. #PaganProblems

    • Becky

      Spot on.

    • axelbeingcivil

      I imagine it depends on how the kid acts. For example, if a kid claimed their race or sex or religion or nationality were superior and uses that belief to belittle other students, they’re going to get told off.

      If they politely disagree or keep it to themselves, it probably won’t matter much.

      The inevitable issue is going to come when activities are introduced ands kids refuse to participate. Teachers can’t mind students doing different, rather involved activities; it just isn’t possible to make sure they’re all safe. Then kids who refuse participation will feel punished. That’s going to be a problem because… They’ll have a point. Then again, it’d be the same point that a racist or sexist would have, so… Where do we stand on that?

      But just teaching about the subject? That shouldn’t be an issue.

      • Amos Moses

        Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

        Mark 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

        Luke 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

  • Becky

    What rubbish. The atrocious homosexual activists will stop at nothing to make sure children are as perverted as they are. Sadly, by using the public education system, they’ll succeed in destroying the minds of these children. God’s people know that in the last days even some of the youngest will be thoroughly perverted, for as such were the youngest in Sodom and Gomorrah.

    • Ronald Carter

      What rubbish. There only thing homosexuals want to teach children is don’t treat them like garbage, hate them, or kill them. All the things you’re in favor of, in other words.

      • ComeOnPeople!

        No they want to teach them homosexuality is ok and it is not. One group says it’s ok and another says it’s immoral. Most people in this country do not want their kids believing it’s okay to have sex with someone of their same gender. It’s not schools jobs to teach children morals it’s their parents job. It’s not teacher jobs to teach children what is okay and what is not okay for them… that is a parents job.

        • Ronald Carter

          Yes, they want to teach them that homosexuality is OK, that way if one of them grows up to be homosexual (and statistically many of them will), they will not hate themselves, wish to commit suicide, etc. Because outside of rigid fundamentalist religion, there is not a single reason in the world to teach a child that it’s bad to be homosexual.

          • Amos Moses

            “that homosexuality is OK, that way if one of them grows up to be homosexual (and statistically many of them will), they will not hate themselves, wish to commit suicide, etc.”

            No ……. it is wrong ……. they will still know it is wrong and unnatural …. and they will still know it is SIN and they will seek their own death anyway ….. even if you kill every last christian ….

          • Jalapeno

            So you DO want them to hate themselves?

          • Amos Moses

            They do whether i want them to or not ………… but no …. i want them to come to Christ and be healed …………. it is their only hope ………….

          • Ronald Carter

            Christ isn’t going to change their sexuality, Amos. Nothing can do that.

          • Amos Moses

            Sorry ………. but ……………..WRONG ……………..

          • Ronald Carter

            It’s settled science, Amos. You lose. A nice big dose of Jesus might do a lot of things, but it’s not going to change a person’s sexuality.

          • Amos Moses

            Settled by whom ………….. what is the pathology for this ……….

            Gay Man Finds Freedom in Jesus Christ
            6 years ago 159,419 views
            Jesus saved and changed the life of a gay person.

            28:32
            Former homosexual, molested as a child, saved by Jesus Christ
            2 years ago 87,462 views
            Nothing is impossible to God. Jesus saves and gives eternal life.

            33:35
            Jesus Christ Saved Me from 27 Years of Homosexuality
            5 years ago 385,584 views
            David testifies to being saved from a homosexual lifestyle that consumed his life for 27 years. David was involved deep into the …
            CC

            All that and more on the youtube machine …………

          • Ronald Carter

            Telling gay people to live sexless lives is not a victory Amos, and you
            haven’t “changed” them. You’ve basically neutered them, but you haven’t
            changed their attraction. YouTube is full of Christians who are lying for Jesus.

          • Amos Moses

            Testimony of a transgender & bisexual, now a servant of God!
            youtube;com/watch?v=lDHyeoBiVak – Replace the ; with a .

          • Ronald Carter

            YouTube is the garbage bucket of the internet, Amos. It proves nothing.

          • Amos Moses

            No ………… you prove nothing by your comment ……….

          • Ronald Carter

            There are white supremacist videos on YouTube as well, Amos. It’s best not to cite it as an authority on anything.

          • Amos Moses

            Deflection …………

          • Ronald Carter

            No, dismissal.

          • Amos Moses

            OKAY ………. you are dismissed ………………

          • Amos Moses

            i know many heterosexual people who ……… due to Christ being in their lives ……. have been “sexless” for over twenty years …….. not because of Christ ….. FOR Christ ……. because Christ is more important to them than a temporary physical act of debauchery …..

            but if sex is all you expect of homosexuals ……. IT IS YOU who limit them and who they are ……………. not me …………

          • Ronald Carter

            What a sad thing to ask someone to do with their life, in the name of religion. Not allowing sexual pleasure and love with another human being. All because they are homosexual. How sad and unnecessary.

          • Amos Moses

            They were not asked …………… DA ………. they VOLUNTEERED ………………..

          • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

            Those stories are showing that through Christ many are becoming free from homosexuality.What a loving God we have.

          • Jalapeno

            And..when that doesn’t happen, you want them to hate themselves?

          • Amos Moses

            They do in any event ………. they know they are wrong …….

          • Jalapeno

            You’re advocating for a situation that causes more distress for people.

            Do you want them to be unhappy?

          • Amos Moses

            They are ……… it has nothing to do with me ……. they are wrong and they know it …… i advocate for them to come to Christ ……… he can heal them ………….

          • Jalapeno

            And..when they don’t get “healed”? When they’re still gay?

            Would you rather they be happy or unhappy?

          • Amos Moses

            They will be “unhappy” …….. as long as they are homosexual …… they are not gay now ….. they will never be gay ………….. without Christ ……….

          • Jalapeno

            That’s not what I asked.

          • Amos Moses

            But that is the truth ……………. they will never be happy as homosexuals ………..

          • Jalapeno

            Do *you want* them to be happy?

          • Ronald Carter

            Which is what you want, correct?

          • Amos Moses

            No ……

          • Ronald Carter

            They will not gravitate to what is unnatural, Amos. Occasionally a girl will fall in love with another girl and a boy will fall in love with another boy. No one forces them into it, as if you could even do such a thing.

            And no one said anything about killing Christians. Just trying to get some of you to be a little more realistic about how basic human sexuality works.

          • Amos Moses

            They gravitate to what is UNGODLY ………… we all do ………. that is the way we are born ……. your argument is that they have no choice to do differently …… and that is a LIE ……. and you are a LIAR for telling them it is ok …………..

          • Ronald Carter

            If they fall in love as we all do, but it’s to someone of the same sex, it’s not ungodly, in fact it has nothing whatsoever to do with God. They may never have heard of God, but they are expressing affection to another human being which is as natural as breathing. It’s only when you introduce some supernatural element about how it’s wrong that you really damage children.

          • Amos Moses

            “If they fall in love as we all do, but it’s to someone of the same sex, it’s not ungodly”

            Scripture ……….. you have none ……….. LIAR AGAIN ………. and yes it is ungodly ……….

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            Agreed.

      • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

        Well said

  • bowie1

    At least the kids we are teaching this week at our vacation bible school are learning something biblical about Jesus being our friend, leader, and life. This is so much better than the filth secularists would like to put into their small minds.

    • Dan McLeod

      Reality is filth?

      • bowie1

        The perversion of the gift of sex is what is the filth, and then abusing little children’s minds with it.

        • Dan McLeod

          Strangely silent on priests and abusing children.

  • Amos Moses

    Governments To Christians: Don’t You Dare Speak Out Against The Sexual Sin In Society
    By Michael Snyder, on July 19th, 2016

    Barbed Wire – Public Domain

    In our upside down world, evil has become good and good has become evil. Once upon a time, everyone in society generally knew what was “right” and what was “wrong” even if they didn’t always abide by the rules. But now the rules have been totally flipped on their head. If you choose to live a lifestyle that is morally wrong, you are celebrated by society, and if you choose to speak out against the sexual sin that is exploding everywhere around us then you are considered to be a “hater” and a “bigot”. In fact, governments all over the world are now passing “hate speech” laws that are making it a crime to speak out against sexual sin. With each passing year it gets even worse, and those pushing this agenda forward are never going to be satisfied until those standing up for Biblical truth are locked away in prison.

    And I was not exaggerating when I said that sexual sin is “exploding” in our society. One example of this is the stunning growth of “polyamory”. The following comes from a recent article in the Guardian that highlighted how the city of Portland in particular has become a hotbed for those that are into the “poly lifestyle”…

    More @ endoftheamericandream;com/archives/governments-to-christians-dont-you-dare-speak-out-against-the-sexual-sin-in-society – Replace the ; with a .

    • Ronald Carter

      “If you choose to live a lifestyle that is morally wrong”

      That’s where this idiot author, whoever he is, lost me. “Morally wrong,” he says. According to WHO? “Sexual sin”? Give me a break. The person who wrote this article is doing nothing but demanding that you subscribe to his own bigotry.

      • Amos Moses

        Says the bigot ……

        • Ronald Carter

          I’m the one saying let them live their lives and leave them alone, how am I the bigot?

          • Amos Moses

            Bigoted against christians …. but even more ….. you are bigoted against homosexuals ………… you argue for their early death …… by saying that what they do is normal, good and healthy …… when it is demonstrably NOT …………….. and that they should be left alone ……. ORLANDO …… they were left alone by christians ………… OOOOPPPPPPSSSSSSS …………

          • Ronald Carter

            No, I argue against ugly and hateful statements made by fundamentalists, not loving Christians who do what Jesus told them to do. I argue against the hateful statements made by fundamentalists who tell other Christians that they are not Christians at all. I don’t argue for an early death for them, I wish them happy and healthy long lives which you would also be doing if you were the kind of Christian you should be. And I don’t buy into hateful invective and lies by saying they are killing themselves by living a “gay lifestyle” whatever that is. You see, Amos? I’m not a Christian at all, and my actions are far more Christian than yours are.

  • ComeOnPeople!

    Gay Manifesto – “We Shall Sodomize Your Sons (I’d say they pretty much are achieving this manifesto )

    (First Published in Gay Community News, Feb. 15-21, 1987 and also put into the Congressional Record. Author – Michael Swift)

    We shall sodomize your SONS, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall SEDUCE them in your SCHOOLS, in your DORMITORIES, in your GYMNASIUMS, in your LOCKER ROOMS, in your SPORTS AREANS, in your SEMINARIES, in your YOUTH GROUPS, in your movie theater BATHROOMS, in your ARMY BUNKHOUSES, in your TRUCK STOPS, in your all MALE CLUBS, in your houses of CONGRESS, wherever men are with men together. Your SONS shall become our minions and DO OUR BIDDING. They will be RECAST IN OUR IMAGE. They will come to CRAVE AND ADORE US.

    Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too, and only one man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand the depth and feeling, the mind and body of another man.

    All laws banning homosexual activity WILL B REVOKED. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.

    All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically, philosophically, socially, politically and financially. We will triumph only when we present a common face to the VICIOUS HETEROSEXUAL ENEMY.

    If you dare to cry faggot, fairy, queer, at us, WE WILL STAB YOU in your cowardly hearts and DEFILE YOUR DEAD, puny bodies.

    We shall write poems of the love between men; we shall stage plays in which man openly caresses man; we shall MAKE FILMS about the love between heroic men which will replace the cheap, superficial, sentimental, insipid, juvenile, heterosexual infatuations presently dominating your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues of beautiful YOUNG men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your parks, your squares, your plazas. The museums of the world will be filled only with paintings of graceful, NAKED LADS.

    Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigueur, and we will succeed because we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate heterosexual liaisons through usage of the devices of wit and ridicule, devices which we are skilled in employing.

    We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators, your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across the desk from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you.

    There will be no compromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded aristocrats never settle for less. Those who oppose us will be exiled.

    We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.

    The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence–will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal setting, under the control and instruction of homosexual savants.

    All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-class heterosexual conventions, we are free to live our lives according to the dictates of the pure imagination. For us too much is not enough.

    The exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an elite comprised of gay poets. One of the major requirements for a position of power in the new society of homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion. Any man contaminated with heterosexual lust will be automatically barred from a position of influence. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become invisible men.

    We shall rewrite history, history filled and debased with your heterosexual lies and distortions. We shall portray the homosexuality of the great leaders and thinkers who have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that homosexuality and intelligence and imagination are inextricably linked, and that homosexuality is a requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man.

    We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the ultimate revolution.

    Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.

    • Jalapeno

      Why did you leave out the first paragraph?

      “This essay is an outré, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption of inner rage, on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the oppressor.”

      • Nidalap

        So Hitler’s writings would have been…had he never gained the power he sought…

      • ComeOnPeople!

        This was a direct copy of

        By Michael Swift, “Gay Revolutionary.” Reprinted from The Congressional Record of the United States Congress. First printed in Gay Community News, February 15-21 1987

        • Jalapeno

          And.. It didn’t include the first paragraph, as I said.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            It’s a copy of what was printed in The Congressional Record of the United States Congress. That was first printed in the Gay Community News on February 15-21, 1987

            Even if there is some other beginning sentence the Congressional Record of the United States Congress failed to print, the record still stands to show just how perverse this agenda is. Also should there be this missing first sentence that you wrote… It all the more makes my point. This is pure wickedness . When people fantasize about such evil upon others, when they dream of letting out their rage to destroy youth simply because their parents deemed their lifestyle unhealthy & to claim victimization simply because your lifestyle is frowned upon and then act out in revenge and hatred. I agree the GLBT agendas and lifestyles are perverted and indeed are an outré, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption of inner rage, on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the oppressor…

          • ComeOnPeople!

            I find it quite amazing by the way that after reading such wickedness all you have to say is a sentence in the beginning is missing…. hmmm

          • Jalapeno

            Don’t you think having actual context and relevant information is important? Something that sets the tone?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            The amazing thing is that even with the first sentence if it was even there because I can’t find it in the article, yet even with it, it shows such a perverted veiw and fantasy of revenge and desire to do harm & to be an oppressor . To that I agree the LGBT agenda gives those involved in it… madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, which eruptions from their inner rage, and causes them to dream on how to become oppressors of others.

            Now go beyond the first sentence and read what comes out of perversion and hate.

          • Jalapeno

            It shows a frustration and an indication that it’s hyperbole. People say all sorts of things when they’re angry, it doesn’t mean that they would actually do those things, nor does it mean that it’s indicative of gay people as a whole.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            It was glorified in major homosexual magazines and documented in the congressional records. I’d say the gay community induced it not shunned it.

          • Jalapeno

            Who would you say “glorified” it?

            I saw people commenting on it AS SATIRE, and a dishonest documentation of it.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Face it Homosexuals HATE any and all who disagree with their lifestyle and that manifesto pretty much sums it up. Your one line that was not in the version i found… says it all and the rest of it is pure HATE and an agenda to get back at society for telling them that their sexual acts are indeed SIN.

          • Jalapeno

            I wholeheartedly disagree. I see more hatred coming from the people who think that people should be judged based on who they love.

            “Your one line that was not in the version i found”

            That sure says a lot about the version you found, eh? The sentence that makes it clear that it’s satire / frustration?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Love does not need sex and sex does not need love. Therefore I can love another woman and it is not sin but should I become sexual involved with her it is against the CREATORS design and it is sin.

            Oh an as to hate… You won’t find that type of garbage written by a Christian. True Christians love the person yet hate the sin.

          • Jalapeno

            Sure, sure…whatever you say. I see more hate coming from people accusing others of sinning than I ever have from gay people.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            What you read or hear from the Homosexual Agenda camp is hate. Christians just disagree with the lifestyle. The problem is that people associate someone disagreeing with what they do as hate but thats not hate it’s simply saying what you believe. I believe not only because of the way men and women are designed but also from GOD’s word that Homosexual sex is wrong . That’s not hateful that’s my opinion. I also believe addiction is wrong, adultery is wrong, sex with many many partners is wrong, lying is wrong, laying with beasts is wrong, forced sex is wrong… the list is endless of what I believe is immoral or wrong . I’m sorry you have a list also but to say it’s hate when someone disagrees with your opinions is childish .

          • Jalapeno

            “What you read or hear from the Homosexual Agenda camp is hate.”

            I hear almost no hate. I hear plenty of hate from people who can’t even seperate the risks of anal sex from the concept of being gay.

            ” That’s not hateful that’s my opinion”

            It becomes hateful when people try to prevent other people from living their life, it becomes hateful when people shame and berate people for not following THEIR morals. Disagreeing is not hate , but the behavior of people who are against letting gay people live their lives is.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            I have no problem with a homosexual living his life but if I’m asked by him if I agree with homosexual sex … I will tell him no , I believe it’s not what GOD intended. He will say that’s my opinion and then a debate will start. That’s what adults do over things they do not agree about and then they either both agree one way or the other or they agree to disagree. The one goes home and lives his life and the other does the same. I do not have to agree with homosexual sex for it to occur neither does he have to agree that heterosexual sex is GOD’s design for it to occur. His home he does what he deems right, my home I do what I deem right. The problem is when you have others calling you every name in the book simply because of your beliefs .

          • Jalapeno

            ” That’s what adults do over things they do not agree about and then they either both agree one way or the other or they agree to disagree

            Yet..people are trying to keep others from living their lives, and they are using hate-filled reasons to do so.

            “The problem is when you have others calling you every name in the book simply because of your beliefs .”

            Homophobes do that ALL THE TIME.

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

    Great news. California is taking the right steps to correct the few remaining holdout who cling to homophobia

    Remember folks – your born gay or straight… But noone is born a bigot. Your taught bigotry.

    • Amos Moses

      Pedophilic grooming and indoctrination …………

      and we are all born bigots ………… sorry to disabuse you of that notion ……….

      • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

        Maybe in your household – you were raised a bigot
        Maybe in your religion – you are taught to be a bigot.

        But not the rest of us.

        I truely feel bad for you. You live a sad and hate-filled life

        (PS you really don’t need to reply to any of my comments. I couldn’t care less what you have to say. I’ve read your comments before. They are one vile lie after another. Unsupported by any truth)

        • Amos Moses

          actually ……… we are not raised bigots ………… WE ARE BORN BIGOTS …. and how dare you say we are not ………. or that we are somehow wrong for being born that way ………….. how …….. hmmmmmm …. whats the word …. “INTOLERANT” of you …………….

          so your argument goes ……………

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            Well. I guess there is pride even in your bigot filled household.

            Good for you. Your hatred only extends to your front door.

          • Amos Moses

            You have not given up your bigotry ……………..

          • Amos Moses

            You are still a bigot ……….. when will you give up your bigotry …………

  • sammy13

    I hope they include the story about Sodom and Gomorrah as well as the musings of Paul in their history and social studies classes. And HIV/AIDS. On the subject of California History, it would be good to study the many missions that were established that blossomed into cities. Their history can explain that Los Angeles was names after Angels; Santa Barbara, San Francisco, Santa Clara, etc. all named after Saints. OOPS! That would bring religion into public schools and that is strictly forbidden.

    • Bob Johnson

      Already required – California 4th Grade Mission Project

  • Janet Tripp-Survis

    TIME TO HOME-SCHOOL….#PrayerFastingTime

    • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

      Home-Schooling may now be the only way to protect our children.

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

    The law require public schools in the state to teach students about the contributions of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender;.

    This is great, considering this will cover folks like ;
    Socrates (469-399 BC) Greek philosopher
    Alexander the Great (356-323 BC) King of Macedon
    Donatello (c.1386-1466) Italian sculptor
    Emily Dickinson (1830-1886) American poet
    Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky (1840-1893) Russian composer
    Henry James (1843-1916) American novelist
    Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) Irish playwright, poet, critic
    Willa Cather (1873-1947) American novelist
    Gertrude Stein (1874-1946) American writer, patron
    Angelina Weld Grimké (1880-1958) African-American writer, black activist
    Ma Rainey (Gertrude Pridgett) (1886-1939) African-American singer
    Cole Porter (1891-1964) American composer, songwriter
    William Taten (Bill) Tilden (1893-1953) American tennis player, athlete
    Margaret Mead (1901-1978) American anthropologist
    Philip Johnson (1906-2005) American architect
    Bayard Rustin (1910-1987) African-American civil rights activist
    Liberace (Wladziu Valentino) (1919-1987) American pianist, entertainer
    Truman Capote (1924-1984) American writer
    Harvey Milk (1930-1978)
    Troy D. Perry (1940- ) American religious leader

    Of course, this doesn’t even scratch the surface of great LGBT People, or their contribution to the world and sadly, hatred took the life of many of these people, and hatred kept many more living in fear.

    • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

      You pasted a complete list of your best, and yet you say it doesn’t even scratch the surface. Tchaikovsky was a great composer, but a poor pedophile. I’ve heard of some of these others, but for the rest, it’s just as well you said what they are supposed to be famous for. Just imagine how great these people could have been if they had not been held back by their perversions!

      • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

        I don’t mind your hateful rhetoric. You ultimately learned something by reading my outstanding list of great LGBT people who contributed to society, and I learned… Your hateful and jealous….

        In the end, I win.

        • Amos Moses

          No one is saying they are stupid or have nothing to contribute ………… but the are still wrong ……… monumentally wrong ….. and perverse ………. and where are they now ……… that is the question ………..

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            LOL only you, are saying these things. You imagin you have support from your childhood of being raised by bigots, and reinforced by a religion that holds no true reasoning behind it.

          • Amos Moses

            You have not given up your bigotry ….. but you demand others do ……….. i think they is a word for that ….. starts with an “H” ………….

      • Ronald Carter

        I don’t recognize any perversions on this list. After all, not a single one of them was a Christian fundamentalist.

  • John Kerera

    America is doomed.

    • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

      The children in America are doomed.

      • Ronald Carter

        If attitudes like yours prevail, homosexuals are doomed.

    • Charles

      The whole world is doomed. Until the Lord returns that is. Patience, Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus. Everything will be made right again.

  • Reason2012

    “How would same-gender marriage affect, you?” they of course lied.

    Because of same-gender marriages, now people are being sued for not promoting the action of a homosexual wedding even though they have no problem serving those who are into homosexuality: bakers who would bake cakes for those who prefer homosexuality but who refuse to bake cakes for the ACT of a homosexual WEDDING are being sued and their businesses shut down.

    Because of same-gender marriages, photographers who would photograph a professing homosexual are being sued if they don’t also photograph the sinful ACT of a same-gender wedding.

    ANY business that would sometimes perform a service for weddings but would not perform it for the ACT of a same-gender wedding are being sued and put out of business for not promoting this sinful act.

    Homosexual activists now go into schools with kids of all ages, including kindergarten, exposing the kids to ideas, images and stories about homosexuality. When parents are told this indoctrination is going on and complain, they are told “shut up, it’s legal now” (read: same-gender marriage leads to the indoctrination of everyone else’s kids).

    Google homosexual kindergarten to see the growing list of documented cases in every state where homosexual marriage is legal.

    They try to get kids movies to include homosexuality.

    “The largest bank in the United States (JP Morgan Chase) now allegedly requires its employees to state whether or not they are supporters of the homosexual lifestyle.”

    It’s outright false that “your life is not being affected by this” – but of course they’ll say this to disarm people until it’s too late and your kids come home with all sorts of ideas and images planed in their heads about homosexuality, homosexuality has been legally enforced upon all of society, Christianity continues to be censored until it becomes criminalized and worse.

    And next: forcing women and little girls to allow men, even dressed as men, to walk in on them in bathrooms and locker rooms if they simply claim to feel like a woman. And they’ll also say “how will this affect you?!”

    America is waking up. Contact your representatives and let them hear from the other 97% of society on the issue.

    • Jalapeno

      So..it hurts people because they are expected to not discriminate against people as business owners and the group occasionally shows up in moies…and that’s not worth letting other people marry the people they love?

      Seems a bit selfish.

      • Reason2012

        They don’t discriminate against people: they gladly serve those into homosexuality. But to force them instead to be the ones to promote the ACT of a same-gender wedding is where they can’t be forced to perform anti-Christian ACTS.

        They can trivially find bakers who do not mind supporting the ACT of a same-gender wedding – so no one’s not “letting” them get married.

        Forcing Christians to perform anti-Christian ACTS, lest they be treated as criminals is the only selfish act here.

        • Jalapeno

          Being willing to serve them in some situations doesn’t actually mean that it isn’t discrimination.

  • Reason2012

    Teach the history of those into islam and shariah law slaughtering LGBT people, even in our day.
    Make no mistakes the activists that promote this LGBT agenda hate LGBT people: when 50 of them got slaughtered, these same activists rushed to defend islam as the “religion of peace” while not saying a word about 50 LGBT being slaughtered for being homosexual. It shows they hate the LGBT and just use them to promote their anti-Christian agenda, like they are in California schools.

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

    A great American Patriot
    “I am very proud of the role I played in getting legal equality for people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender, and in helping get rid of the prejudice by being visible about it” MA Senator. Barney Frank – a prominent gay politician in the United States.

    In 1996 Frank co-sponsored the “Federal Law Enforcement Dependents Assistance Act” (H.R.4111. Became Public Law No: 104-238.) “to provide educational assistance to the dependents of Federal law enforcement officials who are killed or disabled in the performance of their duties.”

    That’s just one of many great laws Barney Frank has done for America

    • Amos Moses

      Other great things he did ……….

      In 1989 it was discovered that Barney Frank’s boyfriend, Stephen Gobie, whom Frank had once hired as a male prostitute, was running a male-brothel out of the Congressman’s home. Frank claimed he did not know about the prostitution ring in his home, but he did use the power of his office to “fix” 33 tickets for Gobie. And he knowingly wrote a misleading letter to Gobie’s probation officer in Virginia. Frank received a “reprimand” for fixing the tickets. Gobie maintained that Frank knew about the prostitution ring operation in his home.

      Business Insider ………………

      • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

        Oh boy. You found a political scandal on Barney frank

        Theres more sex scandles in the GOP than you can shake a stick at.

        • Amos Moses

          Yeah ………… but i am not defending the GOP …………. you are promoting Frank and his lifestyle which included prostitution of homosexuals in his house ……..

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            So? The mans not perfect… Are you? Are you perfect?

          • Amos Moses

            Barney needed male prostitutes ……….

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            You’re very good as slinging mud. Dirty little lies. Your excellent at cutting people down, pointlessly. You’re awesome at dehumanizing people, so that your bigotry and unfounded hatred is easier for you to live with.

            in the end, it really shows more about you and your lack of character.

          • Amos Moses

            You brought up Barney …….. and now you want to kick dirty over it to cover up the person that he was ….. YOU raised him up as some kind of hero ….. not me …. and when he is exposed for what he is ………….. you have a hissy fit ………. again …… “says more about YOUR lack of character. “

    • Josey

      As satan himself found out, pride goes before a fall! There will come a time you will not be proud.

      • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

        No. I’m sure I’ll be proud to the end.

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

    ” The opportunity to be threatened, humiliated and to live in fear of being beaten to death is the only ‘special right’ our culture bestows on homosexuals.” -Diane Carman/ Author / Denver Post

    Sadly, true.

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

    “I don’t want to be labeled as either a pansy or a heterosexual. Labeling is so self-limiting. We are what we do – not what we say we are.” -MONTGOMERY CLIFF

    (Huh! Who knew Monty was gay? I didn’t!)

    • Amos Moses

      i did …….

      • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

        I’m sure you did

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

    Oh.. You got to love Harvey. He just said it, like it was..

    “It takes no compromise to give people their rights…it takes no money to respect the individual. It takes no political deal to give people freedom. It takes no survey to remove repression.”
    -HARVEY MILK

    Remember how Harvey died?

    • Amos Moses

      And he “enjoyed” a 16yo boy when Harv was 33 ……… the kid committed suicide …… how loving ………

      • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

        gross. More of your hate.

        • Amos Moses

          Harveys hate of himself and the child he corrupted ………….

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            Sounds like you know a lot about corrupting a child… Being a corrupted child yourself…

            Between the damage your parents bestowed on you with their bigotry teaching, and the reinforcement you received from your religion.

            Of course, I’m assuming this about you – based on the fact you’ve repeatedly said you grew up in a bigoted home + all your unfounded hateful comments.

          • Amos Moses

            You brought up Harvey and now you try to deny what he was ……….. and it only makes you a bigot and a liar ………. Chippy ………….. DA ………….

      • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

        LGBT Youth who committed suicide, from the relentless bullying through anti-gay hate speech.

        Ronin Shimizu died April 2013
        Jadin Bell (1997-2013), age 15, was an Oregon youth
        Tyler Clementi (1991–2010), age 18, a student at Rutgers University
        Ryan Patrick Halligan (1989–2003), age 13
        Jamie Hubley (1996-2011), age 15

        Just a few. The fact I could list more will not sway you from your hate.

        • Amos Moses

          Yep ……….. but you were talking about Harvey ………. and his “loving” personality ….. and how being a homosexual is so good ….. and he is responsible for this death …….. but then you post the results of that lifestyle ….. thanks for the support that it is not …………….

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            You just “Yep” to teens committing suicide.

            That’s mighty callous of you…

          • Amos Moses

            No ………. you supported the argument that it is a self destructive choice …….. and you call it good ……….. but i am the bigot ………. DA …….

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            Yes. You are callous

          • Amos Moses

            No …….. that would be you ……. you want them to “celebrate” depravity and to have “pride” in their depravity ……….. i want them to come to Christ and be healed ……. but nice try at turning the truth into a lie ………….

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            Let me be clear… If you represent what “coming to Christ” means, then you should retread your posts and learn.. You are NOT a good representative of Christ.

          • Amos Moses

            No ……… coming to Christ means repentance for SIN ……….. actually …. repentance means to align ones mind with Christ and not ones own selfish and destructive desire …. but you spread whatever lies you need to so that you feel better about yourself ………..

            “You are NOT a good representative of Chris.”

            How would you know ………….

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            Homosexuality isn’t a sin

          • Amos Moses

            Yes………. in and of itself …………….. it leads to premature death and disease ……… Race does not ……… so it is a SIN and Race is not …………….

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            Your ignorance is showing, again

          • Amos Moses

            No ………… your denial is ………. and it is not a river in Egypt …………

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            Ok. Well anyway. Your kinda boring, and you repeat lie after lie. Ur Not much fun to talk to, way to much hate in you.

            Again, feel free NOT to reply.

          • Amos Moses

            Reply to what ………. you said nothing to reply to except to note the you said nothing …… except an ad hominem of being a “hate”r ……. nothing of substance to say ……… so you call names and retreat ……..

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            Do you always feel you need to reply? Always have to have the last word?

            I’ll tell you what.. Go ahead. Have the last word. I’ll be “the good Christian”, and let you have the last word.

            I’ll be “the true Christian”… ONE OF US has to be, right? And you’ve certainly proven you are incapable of being a good/true Christian.

          • Amos Moses

            ” And you’ve certainly proven you are incapable of being a good/true Christian.”

            LOL ………. sure ……….believe what you like ……….. but christians do not promote SIN as an alternative to Christ ………….. so ……….. FAIL ………….. Go tell Harvey hes is loved by Christ …… ooooopps …….. to late ….. probably a little to warm there ………..

          • Amos Moses

            be “proud” of this …………

            29 Sep 2015 … Gay and bisexual men are more severely affected by HIV than any other group in the United States (US).

            CDC: 20% of Gay Men Are HIV-Positive, but Nearly Half Don’t Know …

            CDC: 50% of Black Gay Men Will Contract HIV
            New research reveals stark differences in risk
            About half of gay and bisexual black men will be diagnosed with the AIDS virus in their lifetime, according to new government estimates. Overall, for the average American, the odds of an HIV infection is 1 in 99 and has been declining. But the risk varies widely for different groups. For example, the projection is 1 in 2 for gay black men, but fewer than 1 in 2,500 for heterosexual white men. “The differences are stark,” said Dr. Jonathan Mermin of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention after the CDC released the estimates at a Boston medical conference on Tuesday.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            What does this say to you?
            I am very proud to be gay. I have nothing to not be proud of.

            You, on the other hand, seem to get such joy out of being vile.

            You know another stat? The gay community stands with each and every one of those who are sadly affected by HIV

            WE DONT use the fact someone contracted HIV as a “club”… As a way to beat someone down in their hour of need.

            The fact you would take a person who has HIV and try to dehumanize them for your own personal, selfish, unfounded hateful bigoted remarks – again, says more about your lack of character.

          • Amos Moses

            No ………….. i am just exposing the lies being told ………….. i take no joy in your belief in lies ………. in the hope that you will see the lie by exposing the truth to it ….. but you see the exposure as ……….. “personal, selfish, unfounded hateful bigoted remarks” …… because the truth is a foreign concept to you …. and as you point out …. “says more about YOUR lack of character. ” ………………..

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            So, you’re best reply to being called out is to copy-n-paste back parts of my own comment to you.

            You’re “truth” is just that… Yours.

            And, in America, I don’t have to and won’t live under your “truth”. Regardless of how low you sink to try to vilify a group of great Americans.

          • Amos Moses

            Truth belongs to no one ….. truth is not a what ….. it is a WHO ………. and yes …… i throw your words back at you ………….. because you are describing yourself ……… not me ……

          • Amos Moses

            “vilify a group of great Americans.”

            LOL! …………. and that would be those actively seeking to acquire a deadly disease ………..

          • Amos Moses

            “You’re “truth” is just that… Yours.”

            Your ………. not “You are” ……… just sayin ……….

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            Amos, you are a hatful person. Truth.
            I hope you somehow find happiness. It won’t be by trolling the Internet, and spreading your lies

          • Amos Moses

            Truth is a WHO………

          • Amos Moses

            “So, you’re best reply to being called out is to copy-n-paste back parts of my own comment to you.”
            “You’re “truth” is just that… Yours.”

            Two mutually exclusive ideas cannot both be truth ……… either homosexuality is bad or it is not ……. while you may not want to accept that truth …… it is not invalidated by name calling and ad hominem attacks ……… especially when those attacks apply to you when you are making them ….. calling a person a bigot and a hater does not bolster your argument ……

          • epidipnis

            It’s pretty obvious, dude.

          • Amos Moses

            Again ……….. how would YOU know ………..

          • Charles

            Worship the Lord Jesus Christ.. They’ll never have that problem again.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            And yet – had others not bought into /used their religions to support their bigotry… These kids suicides could have been prevented from the beginning.

          • Charles

            You are missing the point. It’s about faith in Jesus Christ. NOT religion.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            A club, is a club. Whatever you wanna call it, it hurts when ya get hit by it.

          • Charles

            So…… Christ is a club? Faith in Christ will heal your soul. The Lord can do things that man could only imagine. The Lord is the greatest council there ever was, and ever will be. Amen.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            Christ is used as a club. I don’t know if you’d agree eith that.. But it’s true

          • Charles

            The Lord has certainly corrected me, but never with a club.. It’s always been with truth. Now, I will say once I’ve learned the truth, it may have felt like a club.. ha ha.. But no, he’s never used a club on me. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Most Brilliant, he doesn’t need a club.

        • Reason2012

          Thank you for showing how dishonest and hateful homosexual activists are – Harvey’s a self-admitted pedophile who caused little boys to_kill themselves and you praise him as a hero and run from the fact he did such evil things.

          50 LGBT people were slaughtered by those following islam / shariah law and continue to be slaughtered worldwide, and activists like you rushed to defend islam as the religion of peace while not standing up for the 50 LGBT people -it shows that activists fake caring for LGBT and just use them to attack Christianity.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            You almost sound like you want us to believe you care about homosexuals.. But you’re not fooling anyone.

          • Reason2012

            Christians care more about LGBT than activists.
            They warn them of coming judgment, letting them know how they can gain forgiveness and eternal life, and many have found it.
            They warn them of the health hazards of that behavior.
            They expose_islam for the murderous anti-LGBT anti-Christian hate ideology it is.

            By sharp contrast, LGBT activists instead make sure they remain blind to any such judgment that we will all face, make sure they are ignorant of the hazards of that behavior, and defend_islam as the “religion of peace” when they continue to slaughter LGBT.

            Activists’ words sound nice, but their actions show otherwise.

            Please cite a post of yours where you expose the ideology of islam /shariah law as the anti-LGBT ideology of hate that leads to LGBT people being slaughtered, especially on the day of the orlando attack..

            Whenever I call people like you on it, they can never show any such thing.

            So much for their claim that they care for the LGBT community.

        • Amos Moses

          Funny how those that have complained the loudest about bullying ……. have become the BIGGEST BULLIES ….. and at the sametime …. promote evolution …… is that not what bullying is …… survival of the fittest …….. weeding out the weak and disfunctional ……… but its “unfair” …….. /Sarc ……

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

            To many dots. Try a more coherent cohesive sentence.

          • Amos Moses

            Try telling the truth …………

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

    Randy Phillips (born May 8, 1990) is an airman of the United States Air Force whose coming out as gay in September 2011 Inspired many other brave men and women who serve /served OUR country.

    Thanks for your service to our country, Randy

  • Goldenpuff2

    Honestly! WHAT HISTORY!!! Good grief. Are they going to include the history of AIDs? I remember in 1980 my grandma, who lived in Santa Clara, telling me “there are 3 men who have died of AIDs in Oakland.” Doubt they’ll teach the kids that.

    • epidipnis

      Are you kidding? That would be part of history, especially the activism and the many causes that arose out of that time period. It has brought us to our present-day realities of marriage and equal rights for gay people.

  • Reason2012

    Here’s the history by the Center for Disease Control – they going to teach this history as well? Or instead encourage kids to engage in deadly behavior?

    Although homosexuals, or men who have sex with men (MSM), make up about 2% of the U.S. population, they account for 67% of “all new HIV diagnoses,” according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    In addition, there are about 1.2 million people in the United States with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, and an estimated 647,700 (54%) of those people are homosexuals, or MSM.

    The 67% of all new HIV cases is for 2013 and the 54% living with HIV is for 2011, the latest years, according to the CDC, for that particular data.

    Among some of the other facts about HIV/AIDS, reported by the CDC, are:

    — About 50,000 people become newly infected each year in the United States.

    — “More than 14,000 people with AIDS in the United States die each year.”

    — “More than 650,000 people with AIDS in the United States have died” since the epidemic started in the early 1980s.

    — “Men who have sex with men (MSM) remain the group most heavily affected by HIV in the United States.”

    — “White MSM continue to represent the largest number of new HIV infections among MSM (11,200), followed closely by black MSM (10,600)and Hispanic MSM (6,700).”

    — “The number of new infections among the youngest MSM (aged 13-24) increased 22 percent, from 7,200 infections in 2008 to 8,800 in 2010.”

    • Amos Moses

      Why those lying, bigoted, homo-bashing, haters ………….. HOW DARE THEY tell the truth …… get The Advocate and The Village Voice on the line …… this needs to be absolutely denounced and discredited as truthful lies about discredited ideas and methodologies …….. /Sarc …………….

      • Charles

        And while you’re at it BAKE ME A HOMOSEXUAL “WEDDING” CAKE! ha ha.

    • Amos Moses

      NOT TRUE ………… we are good and healthy and natural and worderful people and it is NOT A SIN ……………………………./Sarc ……………..

    • Josey

      yes, that is the truth they should be teaching children

    • Jalapeno

      Do you think that not teaching kids that homosexuality exists will mean that gay people will stop having sex?

      Seems like if you want to prevent the spread of diseases, teaching about safe sex and encouraging monogamy would be more effective.

      • Reason2012

        Weak reasoning to teach such perversions as if it’s normal and healthy.

        Using your logic, do you think that not teaching kids that there are those into bestiality, or those into having_sex with 16 year olds, 15 year olds, exists will mean that they stop having_sex?

        No. But that doesn’t mean kids need to learn about perversions in public school, let alone at such an inappropriate age to be learning ANYTHING about such things.

        Using the large intestine that’s meant for the removal of bodily bacteria and waste as a perverted instrument of_sex for anyone, even male with female, is not “safe_sex”. Hence it’s not possible to teach about male on male “safe_sex”.

        Activists need to stay away from everyone else’s kids and grandkids demanding access to them to expose them to images and ideas of their version of morals.

        It proves it’s not all about being “left alone”, but instead forcing their version of morals on everyone else’s kids and grandkids.

        “How will same-gender marriage affect you?” the activists lied – as they now gain access to everyone’s kids and grandkids with their agenda.

        • Jalapeno

          “Using your logic, do you think that not teaching kids that there are those into bestiality, or those into having_sex with 16 year olds, 15 year olds, exists will mean that they stop having_sex?”

          I think that keeping kids from learning that gay people exist won’t keep them from being gay..and I think that teaching them how to stay safe is the best way to keep disease from spreading.

          Did you know that not all gay men have anal sex? You should start speaking out against anal sex, not gay people.

          • Reason2012

            And using your logic, keeping kids from learning that those into bestiality exist won’t keep them from getting into it either – yet we DONT teach kids about it. You seem ignorant, willfully or otherwise, as to why that is. Here’s why:

            it’s inappropriate to fill kids with ideas of perversions

            It doesn’t matter if 100% of them do not have male-on-male_sex – to teach about such things anyway is the point.

            And I did just speak out against anal-sex in general – you ignored it.

            And when activists start trying to fill the minds of everyone else’s kids and grandkids in school that anal-sex between a man and woman, and such articles are published exposing it, I’d be there too. But it’s only the homosexual activists doing so. Why is that?

            But here we are with an article that they want to go after everyone else’s kids and grandkids to fill their minds with images and ideas of homosexuality. Why can’t activists leave everyone else’s kids and grandkids alone? They’re always going after the kids. Why the obsession with everyone else’s kids and grandkids? So much for the lies of “we just want to be left alone” or “how will same-gender marriage affect you?!”

          • Jalapeno

            “*it’s inappropriate to fill kids with ideas of perversions”*

            Okay..so you understand that people are going to continue being gay with or without being taught about it.

            So…why do you think people want to make a point to teach kids that gay people exist and how to be respectful towards them? Remember…having sex with another consenting, human adult is not comparable to having sex with an animal.

            “And I did just speak out against anal-sex in general ”

            No..I mean instead of talking about how evil gay people are. Speak up against sodomy, tell people that anal sex is awful and oral sex is gross. After all..isn’t the safety of people more important?

            Can you not understand what the benefits of teaching kids how to be respectful is?

          • Reason2012

            I’ll answer your question with a question:
            Why do you think people want to make a point to teach kids that those into pedophilia and bestiality and incest exist and how to be respectful towards them?

            You’re being hypocritical.

            Putting the male reproductive organ in the large intestine is not comparable to having_sex – you’re trying to pretend it is and force everyone else to accept your version of morals that it is.

            No..I mean instead of talking about how evil gay people are.

            It’s the activists that are the ones promoting perversion, not “gay people”.

            Why don’t you speak out against_islam / shariah law? Where were you, like typical LGBT activists, when 50 LGBT were slaughtered by those following islam / shariah law?

            Please link posts you made on the orlando attack that day or the next condemning islam / shariah law instead of defending it as the “religion of peace” or remaining silent to instead attack those evil Christians who want you to stay away from their kids and grandkids.

            // Speak up against sodomy, tell people that anal sex is awful and oral sex is gross. After all..isn’t the safety of people more important?

            I just did speak out that it’s about sodomy in general that you continue to ignore – but the only ones going after everyone else’s kids and grandkids are activists like you promoting homosexual sodomy. Why is that?

            And if “safety” is your supposed goal, why is it you demand to teach everyone else’s kids and grand kids that sodomy between males is just fine when the CDC states the FACT that 1.2 million people in the United States with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, and an estimated 647,700 (54%) of those people are homosexuals, or MSM?

            That alone contradicts your words. Your actions show you doing quite the opposite, encouraging kids and grandkids that it’s just fine and safe to do such things.

            Can you not understand what the benefits of teaching kids how to be respectful is?

            It’s not “being respectful” to go after everyone else’s kids and grandkids to fill their minds with images and ideas of homosexuality.

            And using your logic, guess we better teach everyone else’s kids and grandkids about bestiality, pedophilia and more, all of course to teach kids to “be respectful”. The “respectful” thing to do is not fill everyone else’s kids minds with perverse ideas you have about morals.

          • Jalapeno

            “Why do you think people want to make a point to teach kids that those into pedophilia and bestiality and incest exist and how to be respectful towards them?”

            What schools teach about bestiality? Why do you keep comparing sex between consenting adults to sex between a human and an animal?

            “Putting the male reproductive organ in the large intestine is not comparable to having_sex”

            Anal sex IS sex.

            “Why don’t you speak out against_islam / shariah law?”

            I..just like everyone on the planet, have certain things that I am more outspoken about. How gays are treated elsewhere is horrible, but that doesn’t excuse people being bigots in this country.

            “Your actions show you doing quite the opposite, encouraging kids and grandkids that it’s just fine and safe to do such things.”

            So you DO think that refusing to let kids know what homosexuality is prevents unsafe sex from happening?

            “It’s not “being respectful” to go after everyone else’s kids and grandkids to fill their minds with images and ideas of homosexuality.”

            Teaching kids to be respectful to each other is an important step in making sure that we don’t have another generation of bigots.

          • Reason2012

            // What schools teach about bestiality? Why do you keep comparing sex between consenting adults to sex between a human and an animal?
            Precisely the point. We don’t need schools to teach about perversion to everyone else’s kids and grandkids.

            Why do YOU keep comparing_sex between a man and a woman to a man trying to put his male genitals in the large intestine of another person? Same problem: you want to call that normal, healthy_sex, others call that perversion. The large intestine is for the removal of bacteria / waste.

            And using your logic, “bestiality IS_sex.” Yet we don’t want that taught either that those types of people exist that love such things.

            Bingo.

            It’s called morals.

            I..just like everyone on the planet, have certain things that I am more outspoken about. How gays are treated elsewhere is horrible, but that doesn’t excuse people being bigots in this country.

            So in other words you can’t show a single post where you spoke out against islam / shariah law, while in America an American following islam / shariah law slaughtered 50 American LGBT people. That’s “this country”. Another lie of yours exposed.

            You don’t care for the LGBT community. You didn’t post a thing defending them or calling our islam / shariah law as the murderous ideology it is. But let’s go after those ‘evil Christians’ that want YOU to stay away from THEIR kids and grandkids.

            You only prove you hate the LGBT community and are using them for your anti-Christian bigotry.

            // So you DO think that refusing to let kids know what homosexuality is prevents unsafe sex from happening?

            Male on male perversion IS unsafe. Facts prove it. Why do you hate facts? WHy do you want to deceive children about these facts? Why do you hate kids so much you want to teach them such deadly disease-prone behaviors are just fine?!

            Your behavior contradicts your pretense at caring, or a pretense and doing away with bigotry.

            // Teaching kids to be respectful to each other is an important step in making sure that we don’t have another generation of bigots.

            Hiding your bigotry behind supposed standing up to bigotry doesn’t work.

            And the reason you do not feel kids should be taught that pedophiles, those into bestiality, those into incest exist is not bigotry, but it’s called “morals”. So to call others bigots who do not want you to force YOUR version of morals on everyone else’s kids and grandkids only shows how dishonest you are and how much you hate those who disagree with you.

            That you also said and did NOTHING when the 50 LGBT Americans were slaughtered, but instead either defended_islam as the “religion of peace” instead, and/or kept attacking those “evil Christians” that won’t let you force your version of morals on their kids and grandkids shows you just use LGBT to promote your own anti-Christian bigotry.

            I hardly expect you to be swayed – just exposing your bigotry towards Christians and hate towards even LGBT people by using them to promote your own bigotry, not caring when islamists slaughter 50 American LGBT and instead defend islam and/or continue attacking Christians instead.

            America is waking up to the hate and lies of the LGBT activists that use LGBT community for their bigotry and lies.

            Take care.

          • Jalapeno

            “We don’t need schools to teach about perversion to everyone else’s kids and grandkids.”

            Okay, so lets teach kids to not have unsafe sex and to only have sex with people who consent.

            “You don’t care.”

            Hey..guess what. People don’t post about everything they care about. Your logic doesn’t hold.

            “You only prove you hate the LGBT community and are using them for your anti-Christian bigotry.”

            Also not true.

            “Male on male perversion IS unsafe”

            ANAL SEX is unsafe.

            “And the reason you do not feel kids should be taught that pedophiles, those into bestiality, those into incest exist is not bigotry”

            Having sex with people who cannot or do not consent is not comparable. Teaching kids to respect people who HURT OTHERS is not the same as teaching them to respect people regardless of the sex that they are attracted to.
            ” just exposing your bigotry towards Christians and hate towards even LGBT people by using them to promote your own bigotry”

            Who do you think I’m intolerant of?

          • epidipnis

            He never had to be respectful when he was growing up, and he’ll be damned if he’s going to start now!
            You won’t convince him. You’re beating a dead horse.

        • epidipnis

          “perversions”.

      • Amos Moses

        “Seems like if you want to prevent the spread of diseases, teaching about safe sex and encouraging monogamy would be more effective.”

        Has not worked on homosexuals ………… so ………………

        • Jalapeno

          What do you think WILL work? Telling them to stop being gay?

          • Amos Moses

            Christ …….. you are on a christian site ……….. bellyaching day after day after day ….. and you still do not get it ……….. CHRIST …………..DA ………

          • Jalapeno

            “bellyaching”. Funny.

            See..no matter how much you wish it wasn’t true, non-Christians are going to exist, as are people who believe in your religion but disagree with your thoughts on Christianity..so..that solution isn’t actually a solution.

          • Amos Moses

            “See..no matter how much you wish it wasn’t true, non-Christians are going to exist”

            Oh ………… really ………… where did i ever say that ………. and that is just another deflection to keep you away from the truth …………. and just more bellyaching ………. you do not have a truthful bone in your body ………. lots of non-christians in the world ……… BUT YOU are the one here on a christian site peddling your LIES …………….

          • Jalapeno

            When asked about a solution to the fact that gay people are more at risk for certain diseases…you suggest they should just turn to Christianity.
            That’s not a solution though, it only applies to a part of the population.
            So..how do we fix the problem? Do you just not care about the non-Christians?

          • Amos Moses

            “you suggest they should just turn to Christianity.
            That’s not a solution though, it only applies to a part of the population. ”

            Yes,,,,,, it is ………….. but your denial of the truth keeps you from recognizing it as such ……….. see ……. you want a solution that allows them to continue in SIN AND DEPRAVITY ….. that is NOT a solution ……. THAT IS THE PROBLEM ………… and as you say ………. “no matter how much you wish it wasn’t true” ….. that Christ is the answer and the ONLY answer …………… IT IS TRUE ……………. but your own BIGOTRY and HATE for the homosexual ……. keeps you from telling them …….

          • Jalapeno

            Are you under the impression that gay people are actually going to stop being gay and turn to your religion? That it actually fixes things on a large scale…or does it just make you feel better and give you a way to try to blame and shame them so you don’t have to care about people dying?

          • Amos Moses

            “Are you under the impression that gay people are actually going to stop being gay and turn to your religion?”

            No ……… that is YOUR impression …………….. but if homosexuals want to be truly happy …….. then the only answer is Christ ……………. otherwise they will pretend to be “gay” (happy) …….. when they are not …….. and the only way they are “gay” is to steal that word …… and it changes nothing about how they feel about themselves ……….. they “blame and shame” themselves …….. and YOU are one of those that want to keep them there …. and that is TRULY HATEFUL AND BIGOTED …………

          • Jalapeno

            So..you don’t care about all the gay people who aren’t religious?

          • Amos Moses

            It seems to me ……….. i care a hell of a lot more than you do ……….. but i cannot make them happy by patting them on the head and saying ….. “there, there ….. i will keep the mean christians from making you feel bad ….. they dont really love you …. go on and fornicate your life away” ……………….. that is hateful ……….. that is bigoted ……….. that is LYING to them ……… that is YOUR solution ………. to LIE to them …………

          • Jalapeno

            So.. What do you think we should do to help the gay people who don’t agree with your religion?

          • Amos Moses

            You LIE to them ………….. how much more harm could be done to them …..

          • Jalapeno

            As people enjoy mentioning so much, they have a higher risk of depression and STDs.

            So..what do you think we should do for the gay people who don’t agree with your religion? Hope they don’t kill themselves? Continue telling them that they’re going to hell and that they aren’t “really” married?

          • Amos Moses

            If they do not agree with Christ ……… why should i care what they do …….. they should accept Christ or move on …….. kind of like you ………….

          • Jalapeno

            So..you don’t care what happens to non-Christians.

            There you go. Was that so hard to admit to?

          • Amos Moses

            I want them to become christians ……… but if they say no ………. thats on them ……. not me or any other christian ……… and the dead can bury the dead ………….. see ya, would not want to be ya ………

          • Jalapeno

            The mark of a “good person”, ladies and gentlemen…only caring about people who agree with them.

            Is that what the bible teaches? Only care about other Christians, everyone else can just die with no concern from you?

          • Amos Moses

            “The mark of a “good person”, ladies and gentlemen…only caring about people who agree with them.”

            LOL ……….. there ARE NO GOOD PEOPLE ………. not even you ……. you are a self righteous bigot …………so by definition ……… not a good person …….. and it is not me they have to agree with ………..but Christ that they must agree with ……… and it was Christ who said ……

            Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

            “Is that what the bible teaches? ”

            See the above quatation from Christs own mouth …………

            “Only care about other Christians, everyone else can just die with no concern from you?”

            And you show yourself to be the self righteous liar i said you were ……. not what i said ….. and ………. yes, we are to care for OUR BRETHREN first and foremost …….. those who agree with Christ …… then the heathens such as yourself ……… and in that order ……..

          • Jalapeno

            ” there ARE NO GOOD PEOPLE ”

            Correction. There are no perfect people.

            There are, however, people who actually care about other peoples well-being and want them to be happy, even if you don’t agree with their lifestyle.
            There are also people who care more about their own ideals than other people.

            “then the heathens such as yourself ”

            I think you forgot that step. You forgot to care about the people you don’t agree with.

          • Amos Moses

            “Correction. There are no perfect people.”

            Nope …………..

            Psa 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

            Psa 53:3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

            Matthew
            19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
            19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

            Romans
            3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
            3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
            3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. (This is you)
            3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: (This is you)
            3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: (This is you)
            3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: (This is you)
            3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: (This is you)
            3:17 And the way of peace have they not known: (This is you)
            3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. (This is you)

          • Jalapeno

            Where does the bible tell you to not care about non-Christians?

          • Amos Moses

            Never said that ……. you did …….. we are to preach the gospel, in season, out of season, with all long suffering and doctrine ………….. to whomever will hear it …… not my job to convince anybody ….. that is Christs work … if they reject it ….. scripture says …. Again, Christ speaking ……

            Luke
            9:5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

            Let the dead bury the dead ………….

          • Jalapeno

            You admitted to not caring what happened to gay people if they didn’t decide to follow your religion.

          • Amos Moses

            “You admitted to not caring what happened to gay people if they didn’t decide to follow your religion.”

            Where …………… BTW, i do not have a religion …………….. Christ is not coming here to save everybody …… that is universalism ….. not christianity …….. only those who hear His voice ……….. and it appears you do not ………. and when He does come ………. we will not even remember this place and time ……. much less contemplate those who chose otherwise ……….. but that is not about “caring” ……. the real question is …………. why do they not care enough to listen …………… better yet ……. why do you not …………..

          • Jalapeno

            So you DO care what happens, even if they decide not to subscribe to your religion?

            What do you suggest we do for the non-Christian gay people then?

          • Amos Moses

            Listen to Christ ……….. it is the only answer …… take the only answer ……. listen to Christ ….

          • Jalapeno

            And..if they don’t want to follow the bible? Do you care about what happens to them?

  • Gena B

    The public schools will teach whatever is modern and liberal and if people don’t like it, you have to either home school or find the money for a Christian school. You teach your kids about God and then don’t send them into a school that teaches them doctrine which is opposite. Sometimes you get what you pay for.

    • Amos Moses

      and be real careful of the “christian” schools ………….

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Sodomites hurt children. The Church will be judged along with the world if she remains silent and does nothing at time like this. “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.” (Matthew 5:13)

    • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

      Umm you mean like when the church was silent.. No, more like willfully covered up the abuse the male priest did to both little boys and girls??

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Most priests are innocent of such things. Pagans cannot make women and children and minorities happy, but it is so tragic that the West, the former Christendom, tries to force Sodomic doctrines upon children after losing Christianity. The Christian Church is the only hope to teach children God’s truth and keep them safe. Immoral society is destructive and very bad to children. May god intervene in Sodomic America.

        • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

          Crazy

  • Josey

    What does being sexually confused have to do with teaching kids about history, a false history, teach children the truth.

  • Gary Metzger

    The irony is LGBT programs are always presented this way, couched in terms of history, etc, but the reality is always quite different. The LGBT in Maine went to the school of a teacher friend of mine from up there, and said they were just going to present a program of inclusion and diversity. The reality? The “lesson” ended with demonstrations on how to use a condom, and other gay sexual practices, and the teacher was so horrified, she immediately removed her students from the class. As far as the diverse families nonsense, sorry, but this is more proof of the LGBT AGENDA (!) which in reality is to blow to smithereens traditional constructs of morality, male and female distinctions, and marriage itself. No parent who loves their child would EVER expose them to this. On any level, or in any grade.

    • Jalapeno

      “always”?

      Are you suggesting that every single program out there that touches on sexual orientation is actually teaching kids” gay sexual practices”? (not sure what those would be… There isn’t really much that gay people do that straight couples don’t.)

      • Amos Moses

        “Are you suggesting that every single program out there that touches on sexual orientation is actually teaching kids” gay sexual practices”?”

        If he does not i will ………….. YES ……………..

        • Jalapeno

          Evidence?

          • Amos Moses

            Evidence ………….. the fact they are there doing it ………. enough evidence for me ……. gee …… the whole program is about homosexuality and GROOMING CHILDREN to accept it as normal ………… AND IT AINT ……………………. send me your address …… i will send you $50 so you can buy a clue …………..

          • Jalapeno

            So..no evidence. Got it. Thanks.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Amos either doesn’t understand evidence or doesn’t believe in it.

          • Amos Moses

            Or showing any evidence meets with denial ………… especially by you and GellyPeno ……………

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Oh, you want to show us some evidence? That’d be great. Whenever you’re ready.

          • Amos Moses

            And you will just deny it ……… the evidence is ….. they are using it now ….. to groom children to accept homosexuality ………… the evidence is … they are doing it ……

          • Ambulance Chaser

            And we have another swing and a miss.

          • Amos Moses

            So tell us what the purpose is ………

          • Ambulance Chaser

            The “purpose?” I don’t know what you’re talking about.

            I’m asking you for evidence, and so far, you have responded only that “it is because it is.” That’s not evidence, that’s just talking in a circle.

            I would need to see external proof from a reliable source.

          • Amos Moses

            So the evidence is what is the purpose for them to be there in the first place …………

          • Amos Moses

            No source i give you would you ever call “reliable” ………. so your pretended demand for “proof” is hollow ……….. and you are a liar ……… and you cannot tell me why they are there in the first place ………. to even offer an alternate explanation ………….. again …. a liar …..

            It is all GROOMING children to accept homoeroticism ………….. and nothing less ….

          • Amos Moses

            None you recognize ……….. as the truth is a foreign concept to you …………

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

    Alan Mathison Turing; (23 June 1912 – 7 June 1954) was a pioneering English computer scientist, mathematician, logician, cryptanalyst and theoretical biologist. Turing is widely considered to be the father of theoretical computer science and artificial intelligence.

    Turing played a pivotal role in cracking intercepted coded messages that enabled the Allies to defeat the Nazis

    Alan, another great person, just happened to be gay

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

    Harry Hay was a remarkable figure by any measure, though most Americans have not heard his name. Harry proudly called himself a sissy, he was the first American to imagine a gay community – back in 1948.

    Mr. Hay would later write, homosexuals were ”the one group of disadvantaged people who didn’t even know they were a group.” He set out to change that by organizing

    Mr Hay is a great American hero.

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

    Essayist and poet Audre Lorde not only wrote passionately, but she also gave the gift of words to others as a librarian in New York public schools during the 1960s. In her published work, Lorde eventually fully embraced her lesbianism

    Another great American

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

    Schools across America and around the world make sure to commemorate the life and work of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., every year, but King’s work could be incomplete without the help of close confidant and organizer, Bayard Rustin.

    Even with such a high-profile position within the Civil Rights movement, during the 1950s and ’60s, Rustin was openly gay.

    Thank you, Mr Rustin – for your great contribution to America.

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

    Texas’s Barbara Jordan, the first African-American woman elected to Congress, broke numerous glass ceilings throughout her storied career, but she remained in the closet the entire time. Even before winning her Congressional seat, President Lyndon B. Johnson, a fellow Texan, invited Jordan, then a lawyer and state legislator, to the White House to preview his 1967 Civil Rights agenda. After four years in Congress, Jordan gave the keynote address to the Democratic National Convention in 1976.

    Amazing!

  • Kevan Massey

    “This is a tragic day for America’s children,” Dr. Michelle Cretella, president of the American College of Pediatricians, said Friday in a statement in response to the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision legalizing same-sex marriage.

    “The SCOTUS has just undermined the single greatest pro-child institution in the history of mankind: the natural family.

    In a biting statement last month, the American College of Pediatricians warned legislators and educators that conditioning children to accept transgenderism as normal is child abuse, as transgenderism is classified as a mental illness.

    “The American College of Pediatricians urges educators and legislators to reject all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex. Facts — not ideology — determine reality,” they warned.

    But as usual, the political machine ignores these things and continues to force feed their propaganda to the masses

    • Ambulance Chaser

      The “political machine” ignores the unsupported opinion of the American College of Pediatricians because they were too busy paying attention to the science-based policy statements of the American Association of Pediatrics, the real, official professional association for pediatricians.

      • Kevan Massey

        Justify warping impressionable little minds to God, Not me. As I have said, Read Romans, Chapter 1 and you will know why I feel the way I do…

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Well, God isn’t here, you are. So I’ll ask you: who should policymakers listen to? The ACP or the AAP? And why?

          • Kevan Massey

            The G O D. God is here. But only to those who aren’t spiritually dead. Read what I told you to and maybe you won’t be cursed for eternity. Which matters much more than anything else… This life is but a vapor in a breeze.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            So you drop an opinion and then refuse to defend it? Nice.

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

    Miss Major is a community leader ― an organizer, activist, prison abolitionist, former sex worker, formerly incarcerated person, transgender elder and mother to countless transgender and GNC youth. She’s built a legacy recognized globally, particularly with her work with incarcerated transgender individuals. Her tireless efforts as an activist and respected elder in the community have not only saved countless lives but paved the way for modern day trans and GNC people operating in the public spotlight and fighting for queer people on a national level.

    She is awesome.

  • ComeOnPeople!

    The 1972 Gay Rights Platform created at the National Coalition of Gay Organizations Convention held in Chicago in 1972

    FEDERAL LEVEL:

    # 6. Federal encouragement and support for sex education courses, prepared and taught by gay women and men, pre- senting homosexuality as a valid, healthy preference and lifestyle as a viable alternative to heterosexuality.

    And yet this is one of the most unhealthy lifestyles to present as an alternative to the heterosexual lifestyle. They know it but the don’t care about lives, they care about their agenda!

  • ComeOnPeople!

    If you want to see their Agenda and how they get you into debates just to be seen as victims and to have their cause constantly in the open read… The Overhauling of Straight America by Marshall Kirk and Erastes Pill … Here is a break down…

    [This “must read” article, originally published in Guide magazine, November 1987 is the blueprint for the now global homosexual propaganda campaign to replace marriage-based society with a culture of sexualanarchy. A1999bookbasedonthisoutline,titledAftertheBall,hasbecomethe“bible”ofhomo- sexual propagandists. However, only this article states the “gay” goals and tactics with such alarming frankness. Following are relevant excerpts from the article. The complete article is readily available on the Internet.]

    The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights. To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would have straights register differences in sexual preference the way they register different tastes for ice cream or sports games: she likes strawberry and I like vanilla; he follows baseball and I follow football. No big deal.

    At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full “appreciation” or “understanding” of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing, with a shrug of their shoulders, then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won. And to get to shoulder-shrug stage, gays as a class must cease to appear mysterious, alien, loathsome and contrary. A large-scale media campaign will be required in order to change the image of gays in America. And any campaign to accomplish this turnaround should do six things.

    [1] TALK ABOUT GAYS AND GAYNESS AS LOUDLY AND AS OFTEN AS POSSI- BLE

    The principle behind this advice is simple: almost any behavior begins to look normal if you are exposed to enough of it at close quarters and among your acquaintances. The acceptability of the new behavior will ultimately hinge on the number of one’s fellows doing it or accepting it. One may be offended by its novelty at first–many, in times past, were momentarily scandalized by “streaking,”’ eating goldfish, and premarital sex. But as long as Joe Six-pack feels little pressure to perform likewise, and as long as the behavior in question presents little threat to his physical and financial security, he soon gets used to it and life goes on. The skeptic may still shake his head and think “people arc crazy these days,” but over time his objections are likely to become more reflective, more philosophical, less emotional.

    The way to benumb raw sensitivities about homosexuality is to have a lot of people talk a great deal about the subject in a neutral or supportive way. Open and frank talk makes the subject seem less furtive, alien, and sinful, more above-board. Constant talk builds the impression that public opinion is at least divided on the subject, and that a sizable segment accepts or even practices homosexuality. Even rancorous debates between opponents and defenders serve the purpose of desensitization so long as “respectable” gays are front and center to make their own pitch. The main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome.

    And when we say talk about homosexuality, we mean just that. In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed and gay rights should be reduced to an abstract social question as much as possible. First let the camel get his nose inside the tent–only later his unsightly derriere

    ….The average American household watches over seven hours of TV daily. Those hours open up a gateway into the private world of straights, through which a Trojan horse might be passed….

    So far, gay Hollywood has provided our best covert weapon in the battle to desensitize the main- stream. Bit by bit over the past ten years, gay characters and gay themes have been introduced into TV programs and films (though often this has been done to achieve comedic and ridiculous affects). On the whole the impact has been encouraging…

    …While public opinion is one primary source of mainstream values, religious authority is the other.

    When conservative churches condemn gays, there are only two things we can do to confound the homophobia of true believers. First, we can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches, raising theological objections of our own about conservative interpretations of biblical teachings, and exposing hatred and inconsistency. Second, we can undermine the moral authority of homophobic churches by portraying them as antiquated backwaters, badly out of step with the times and with the latest findings of psychology. Against the mighty pull of institutional Religion one must set the mightier draw of Science & Public Opinion (the shield and sword of that accursed “secular humanism”). Such an unholy alliance has worked well against churches before, on such topics as divorce and abortion. With enough open talk about the prevalence and acceptability of homosexuality, that alliance can work again here.

    [2] PORTRAY GAYS AS VICTIMS, NOT AS AGGRESSIVE CHALLENGERS

    In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be cast as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to assume the role of protector. If gays are presented, instead, as a strong and prideful tribe promoting a rigidly nonconformist and deviant lifestyle, they are more likely to be seen as a public menace that justifies resistance and oppression. For that reason, we must forego the temptation to strut our “gay pride” publicly when it conflicts with the Gay Victim image. And we must walk the fine line between impressing straights with our great numbers, on the one hand, and sparking their hostile paranoia-“They are all around us!”–on the other.

    A media campaign to promote the Gay Victim image should make use of symbols which reduce the mainstream’s sense of threat, which lower it’s guard, and which enhance the plausibility of victimiza- tion. …It almost goes without saying that groups on the farthest margin of acceptability such as NAMBLA, [Ed note — North American Man-Boy Love Association] must play no part at all in such a campaign: suspected child-molesters will never look like victims.)

    Now, there are two different messages about the Gay Victim that are worth communicating. First, the mainstream should be told that gays are victims of fate, in the sense that most never had a choice to accept or reject their sexual preference. The message must read: “As far as gays can tell, they were born gay, just as you were born heterosexual or white or black or bright or athletic. Nobody ever tricked or seduced them; they never made a choice, and are not morally blameworthy. What they do isn’t willfully contrary – it’s only natural for them. This twist of fate could as easily have happened to you!”

    Straight viewers must be able to identify with gays as victims. Mr. and Mrs. Public must be given no extra excuses to say, “they are not like us.” …In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be cast as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to assume the role of protector.”

    [3] GIVE PROTECTORS A JUST CAUSE

    A media campaign that casts gays as society’s victims and encourages straights to be their protectors must make it easier for those to respond to assert and explain their new protectiveness. Few straight women, and even fewer straight men, will want to defend homosexuality boldly as such. Most would rather attach their awakened protective impulse to some principle of justice or law, to some general desire for consistent and fair treatment in society. Our campaign should not demand direct support for homosexual practices, should instead take anti-discrimination as its theme…

    It is especially important for the gay movement to hitch its cause to accepted standards of law and justice because its straight supporters must have at hand a cogent reply to the moral arguments of its enemies. The homophobes clothe their emotional revulsion in the daunting robes of religious dogma, so defenders of gay rights must be ready to counter dogma with principle.

    [4] MAKE GAYS LOOK GOOD

    In order to make a Gay Victim sympathetic to straights you have to portray him as Everyman. But an additional theme of the campaign should be more aggressive and upbeat: to offset the increasingly bad press that these times have brought to homosexual men and women, the campaign should paint gays as superior pillars of society . Y es, yes, w e kno w–this trick is so old it creaks. . .

    [5] MAKE THE VICTIMIZERS LOOK BAD

    At a later stage of the media campaign for gay rights-long after other gay ads have become common- place-it will be time to get tough with remaining opponents. To be blunt, they must be vilified. (This will be all the more necessary because, by that time, the entrenched enemy will have quadrupled its output of vitriol and disinformation.) Our goal is here is twofold. First, we seek to replace the mainstream’s self-righteous pride about its homophobia with shame and guilt. Second, we intend to make the antigays look so nasty that average Americans will want to dissociate themselves from such types.

    The public should be shown images of ranting homophobes whose secondary traits and beliefs disgust middle America. These images might include: the Ku Klux Klan demanding that gays be burned alive or castrated; bigoted southern ministers drooling with hysterical hatred to a degree that looks both comical and deranged; menacing punks, thugs, and convicts speaking coolly about the “fags” they have killed or would like to kill; a tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed.

    A campaign to vilify the victimizers is going to enrage our most fervid enemies, of course. But what else can we say? The shoe fits, and we should make them try it on for size, with all of America watching.

    [6] SOLICIT FUNDS: THE BUCK STOPS HERE

    Any massive campaign of this kind would require unprecedented expenditures for months or even years–an unprecedented fundraising drive…

    [7] GETTING ON THE AIR, OR, YOU CAN’T GET THERE FROM HERE

    Without access to TV, radio, and the mainstream press, there will be no campaign. This is a tricky problem, became many impresarios of the media simply refuse to accept what they call “issue- advertising” — persuasive advertising can provoke a storm of resentment from the public and from sponsors, which is bad for business. The courts have confirmed the broadcaster’s right to refuse any “issue advertising” he dislikes…

    Because most straightforward appeals are impossible, the National Gay Task Force has had to cultivate quiet backroom liaisons with broadcast companies and newsrooms in order to make sure that issues important to the gay community receive some coverage; but such an arrangement is hardly ideal, of course, because it means that the gay community’s image is controlled by the latest news event instead of by careful design–and recently most of the news about gays has been negative….

    VISUAL STAGE 1: YOU REALLY OUGHTTA BE IN PICTURES

    As for television and radio, a more elaborate plan may be needed to break the ice. For openers, naturally, we must continue to encourage the appearance of favorable gay characters in films and TV shows. Daytime talk shows also remain a useful avenue for exposure. But to speed things up we might consider a bold stratagem to gain media attention. The scheme we have in mind would require careful preparations, yet it would save expense even while it elevated the visibility and stature of the gay movement overnight…

    Through such a political campaign, the mainstream would get over the initial shock of seeing gay ads, and the acceptability of such ads would be fortified by the most creditable context possible; and all this would be accomplished before non-electoral advertising was attempted by the gay community. During the campaign all hell would break loose, but if we behaved courageously and respectable our drive would gain legitimacy in and case and might even become a cause celebre. If all went as planned, the somewhat desensitized public and the major networks themselves would be ‘readied for the next step of our program.

    VISUAL STAGE 2: PEEKABOO ADVERTISING

    At this point the gay community has its foot in the door, and it is time to ask the networks to accept gay sponsorship of certain ads and shows. Timing is critical: The request must be made immediately after our national political ads disappear. Failing that, we should request sponsorship the next time one of the networks struts its broad-mindedness by televising a film or show with gay characters or themes. If they wish to look consistent instead of hypocritical, we’ll have them on the spot. But the networks would still be forced to say No unless we made their resistance look patently unreasonable, and possibly illegal. We’d do just that by proposing “gay ads” patterned exactly after those currently sponsored by the Mormons and others. As usual, viewers would be treated to squeak-clean skits on the importance of family harmony and understanding –this time the narrator would end by saying, “This message was brought to you by –the National Gay Task Force.” All very quiet and subdued. Remember: exposure is everything, and the medium is the message…

    VISUAL STAGE 3: ROLL OUT THE BIG GUNS

    By this point, our salami tactics will have carved out, slice by slice, a large portion of access to the mainstream media. So what then? It would finally be time to bring gay ads out of the closet…

    The Time Is Now

    We have sketched out here a blueprint for transforming the social values of straight America. At the core of our program is a media campaign to change the way the average citizens view homosexuality….And, let us repeat, time may be running out. The AIDS epidemic is sparking anger and fear in the heartland of straight America. As the virus leaks out of homosexual circles and into the rest of society, we need have no illusions about who is receiving the blame. The ten years ahead may decide for the next forty whether gays claim their liberty and equality or are driven back, once again, as America’s caste of detested untouchables. It’s more than a quip: speak now or forever hold your peace.

  • C_Alan_Nault

    God help us