School District Moves Back-to-School Prayer Service Out of Elementary School Following Atheist Complaint

PrayerOCEAN SPRINGS, Miss. — A Mississippi public school district recently moved its back-to-school prayer service out of an elementary school and into a local church after an atheist activist group contacted officials to assert that the practice is unconstitutional.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) recently sent a letter to the Ocean Springs School District after learning that the district had partnered with a number of area churches for the event, which was to be held at Oak Park Elementary School on Aug. 2.

“It is inappropriate for a public school to promote or partner with a church and it is a constitutional violation for that school to join forces with a church to put on an inherently religious event such as a back-to-school prayer service,” the letter, addressed to Superintendent Bonita Coleman-Potter, read.

FFRF believes that Coleman-Potter planned to participate.

“It does not matter that this event occurs outside normal school hours because prayers at other after-school events such as football games and graduations have been found unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court,” it continued. “Partnering with local churches to put on this prayer service also constitutes excessive entanglement between government and religion.”

FFRF then requested that the event be cancelled, asserting, “It does not matter that individuals within the community prefer this type of event, it is still illegal for the school to host and cannot be allowed to take place.”

According to the Mississippi Press, instead of facing a potential legal battle over the matter, the district decided to move the event from Oak Park Elementary School to First Baptist Church of Oak Park.

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FFRF says it is pleased with the outcome of the situation.

“Our public schools exist to educate, not to indoctrinate,” Co-President Annie Laurie Gaylor said in a statement. “And it’s vital that superintendents not only ensure activities remain secular, but are role models for the district.”

As previously reported, in early America, 123 of the first 126 colleges established in America were founded on Christian principles. Harvard University, named after Pastor John Harvard, held the motto “Truth for Christ and the Church.”

“Let every scholar be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well the main end of his life and studies is to know God and Jesus Christ, which is eternal life. Therefore, to lay Christ in the bottom as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and learning…” its student manual read.

Princeton’s motto was “Under God’s Power She Flourishes.” The first president of Princeton, Pastor Jonathan Dickinson, said, “Cursed be all learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ.”

Yale also wrote in its requirements in 1745, “All scholars shall live religious, godly and blameless lives according to the rules of God’s word, diligently reading the Scriptures…”


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  • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

    Because public schools are for everyone, not just Christians.

    • Amos Moses

      Without christians ……….. there would be no public schools in this country …….. or universities ….. or much education at all ………….

      • https://disqus.com/home/channel/theangryatheist/ ⥢☆ Michael [G-13]☆ ⥤

        Yeah, sure… Do religionists ever tell the truth?

        • Amos Moses

          certainly non-religionists do not …………

          • Steen Goddik

            Ah, more bearing false witness. Jesus must be really impressed with your endless lies.

          • Amos Moses

            And since your qualifications for that judgement are absent ………. i am not really worried about your assessment of it …………

          • Steen Goddik

            I certainly can recognize that when you post, you lie.

          • Amos Moses

            You would have to know the truth to even come to that conclusion …….. who is the truth ……

          • Steen Goddik

            No, when you lie, there is no truth to your lies.

          • Amos Moses

            WHO is the TRUTH …………

          • Steen Goddik

            Not you!

          • Amos Moses

            Very good ……… but does not answer the question ……. AGAIN ….. WHO is TRUTH ……….

          • Amos Moses

            So please inform us of the great and almighty A-Theist that started the schools in this country …… FAIL ………

          • Steen Goddik

            The school system was set up by the secular Government

          • Amos Moses

            No ………. it was not ………

          • Steen Goddik

            Yes…………… it was …………

        • Amos Moses

          So please inform us of the great and almighty A-Theist that started the schools in this country …… ZERO ……. there is not one ..

      • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

        Without christians ……….. there would be no public schools in this country

        So what? How does that justify violating the first amendment? Since most of the founders were white, would that make a whites-only school event OK too?

        • Amos Moses

          The 1st amendment protects freedom of religion ………… not sure where you are trying to go ……. but there is nothing in scripture about separation of races …….. So what?

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            The 1st amendment protects freedom of religion

            For people, NOT for government institutions like public schools.

            If public schools HAD first amendment rights, that would include freedom of association, and they would be able to decide to not “associate” with non-whites, and we’d have whites-only schools again.

            but there is nothing in scripture about separation of races

            That has nothing to do with any legal issues. The government can’t discriminate on the basis of race OR religion.

          • Amos Moses

            still not sure where you are trying to get ……… but continue ……..

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            What’s left? Public school officials can’t put on a prayer service in a public school. It’s unconstitutional.

          • Amos Moses

            Actually ……. they can …….

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            No, they can’t. See e.g. Engel v. Vitale (1962), McCollum v. Board of Education (1948)

          • Amos Moses

            Organized prayer in the public school setting, whether in the classroom or at a school-sponsored event, is unconstitutional. The only type of prayer that is constitutionally permissible is private, voluntary student prayer that does not interfere with the school’s educational mission.

            So yes they can ………..

          • Bill

            The problem was that this was organized prayer.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            Organized prayer in the public school setting, whether in the classroom or at a school-sponsored event, is unconstitutional.

            Which is what this started out as — it was going to be in the school, organized by the school district: “the district had partnered with a number of area churches for the event”

          • Steen Goddik

            If they do, they violate the US Constitution. Several US Supreme Court cases have confirmed this. You may wish this wasn’t the case, but to claim it is legal would be an outright lie.

          • Amos Moses

            No ………. they do not violate the constitution ………

          • Amos Moses

            Organized prayer in the public school setting, whether in the classroom or at a school-sponsored event, is unconstitutional. The only type of prayer that is constitutionally permissible is private, voluntary student prayer that does not interfere with the school’s educational mission.

          • Steen Goddik

            And is not sponsored by the school,or supported by the school. The mentioned event was illegal, and this was fixed by moving it out of the school. Fundie christofascistso always think they can violate the law and proselytize in the school. Their smackdown is always spectacular.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “but there is nothing in scripture about separation of races”

            It’s going off on a tangent, maybe, but plenty of people used to think there was biblical justification for segregation and slavery and racism and things like that. Some still do, I’m sure.

          • Amos Moses

            “but plenty of people used to think there was biblical justification for segregation and slavery and racism and things like that. ”

            And a lot of people today try to use scripture to justify being homosexual and trannys ……… and they are all WRONG ………….

          • TheKingOfRhye

            What makes you so sure you’re right and they’re wrong?

          • Amos Moses

            Scripture ………..

          • TheKingOfRhye

            They would have said the same exact thing, I suspect.

          • Amos Moses

            Men misuse scripture ……. nothing new there …….. it still goes on today …. even before Christ came and told the religious leaders of His day they were wrong in their reading of it ……….

  • Mark Moore

    Non Christian parents really don’t want their kids proselytized to. What does it take to get this across?

    • https://disqus.com/home/channel/theangryatheist/ ⥢☆ Michael [G-13]☆ ⥤

      Lawsuits or the threat of lawsuits. And, vigilance.

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      They don’t have to participate if they do not want to, but Christianity is the good and vital thing every child needs to hear about.

      • Bill

        Why do atheists commit fewer crimes per capita than christians if atheism is so immoral?

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Atheists do not acknowledge their evil as crimes. USA will receive God’s wrath very soon, if the nation does not repent.

          • Bill

            That doesn’t make sense. According to studies done (largely by christians), based on convictions by the justice system here in the USA, christians commit more crimes per capita than atheists. It’s not a matter of acknowledging crime. It’s a matter of committing it.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Americans claim to be Christian all the time without meaning it; it’s like saying, “I’m a civilized person.” Many convert to Christianity in prison because being atheist is the most meaningless thing to do in a dire circumstance like prison.

          • Steen Goddik

            Utterly irrelevant. The laws of the US are based on the US Constitution. Do you support the US Constitution, or are you a traitor against America?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Secular America is a treason against the US Constitution. Americans are supposed to only submit to God and not to Sodomites. Secular America is trying to enslave mankind with sexual immorality because playboys and prostitutes do not care anout children as they have no real descendants. USA has no rights to push insane immorality upon the world.

          • Steen Goddik

            The US Constitution says that the Government cannot support any one religion. Your claim is actually an outright falsehood.

            You posting what you want to be reality, that doesn’t change the real Establishment Clause. And according to it, you are an anti-American traitor.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The US Constitution was created by the Christians so that no Christian who’d live out the Holy Bible with a clear conscience would be oppressed by anyone. The real establishment is that Americans submit to God and to no other; that is the lawfulness of America. Oppressors of Christians such as you are the genuine traitors and bullies in America.

          • Steve Dustcircle

            Sodom is not a city in America

          • Bill

            Modern American culture is not based upon a particular religion. We are a melting pot here in America. No longer are we an exclusively christian nation. Failing to acknowledge the plurality of religions (and non religions) and races, and orientations, and everything else that makes the United States a culture of diversity. The 6 billion people who are not Christians are still good people. They are no less good than you. Remember that.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            America is impossible without Christianity. America must stay Christian to do any good. Others either contain hopeless barbarism or chaotic immorality. If the West only aims to mere co-existence with no striving after the truth or the Good(Christianity), tyranny will take over as a natural course. Mankind need Christian education for the vital salvation news and human rights and freedom. Hailing diversity alone is meaningless; people are more racist than before, ever. There is no good people on earth; everyone is a sinner. You say stuff like that because secular Westerners grew up in a civilized Christendom, receiving everything good from the Church for the longest time, and do not care about the misery of the world.

          • http://www.nomorebadtown.com NoMoreBadTown

            “You need God to be good and meaningful.”

            Really? Then why did your god create evil? Isaiah 45:7

          • Steve Dustcircle

            and read Numbers 21 on how to rape little girls.

          • C_Alan_Nault

            Which god’s wrath? So many to choose from….

          • Steve Dustcircle

            That is language of a crazy person. If only you lived long enough to see this NEVER come to pass.

            Now, go take your meds.

        • bowie1

          Do they usually ask what the religion is of those who commit crimes?

          • Bill

            The studies done are based upon the religious views of prisoners at the time that they enter the prison system. They are not conducted by government researchers, rather by academics. In other words, to answer your question, the government does not ask those questions of criminals as it would likely be unconstitutional to do so. Rather private organizations do for statistical purposes. Have a great day!

          • Frank Dorka

            Polls have shown that over 99%, roughly 99.4% of prisoners identify themselves as religious. The biggest religion among them? Christianity, of course.

          • bowie1

            Is that before or after they leave? And are they active believers or simply have their names on a church roll?

          • Frank Dorka

            Do you really think it makes a difference? Christians are good at calling others “not real” Christians unless they are trying to show their strength in numbers.

      • Alexa_deTocqueville

        Voodoo superstitions are not good and vital to mankind. Inculcating such nonsense into young still forming brains is child abuse. Shame on you Grace Kim Kwon. Believe what you want but keep the public schools out of your child abuse.

      • http://www.nomorebadtown.com NoMoreBadTown

        Public prayer is not intended to promote religious values, but to enhance the authority of some churches and some political views over others. Similarly with the posting of the Ten Commandments. It is about power, not about religion. Government by Christian or Islamic or any other faith has rarely been progressive. And the Constitution clearly intends that there should be freedom from religion.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Christless America is evil.

          • http://www.nomorebadtown.com NoMoreBadTown

            No, your Christ is evil, and make-believe.

          • Frank Dorka

            And completely un-proven.

      • C_Alan_Nault

        “They don’t have to participate if they do not want to, but Pastafariansim is the good and vital thing every child needs to hear about.

      • C_Alan_Nault

        Christianity tells us slavery is OK.

        Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 )

        Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 )

      • C_Alan_Nault

        “Secularism only provides godlessness and immorality. ”

        Define immorality.

      • C_Alan_Nault

        “No Parent should dislike the Christian instructions. ”

        Here are some Christian instructions:

        1CO 14:34-35 Women are to be silent in church. If they have any questions, they are to ask their husbands at home. It is a shame for women to speak in church.

        2TH 3:10 Anyone who doesn’t work should not be allowed to eat.

        1TI 2:11-12 Women are to learn in silence (from men) in all submissiveness.

        1TI 2:12 Women are not permitted to teach or have authority over men.

        TS 1:10-11 There are many who must be silenced.

        JA 5:14-15 Use prayer and anointing to cure illness.

        2 JN 1:9-11 Do not allow anyone into your house who is not a fellow believer.

        RO 13:1-4, PE 2:13-14 Be subject to every human institution. All authorities (laws and governments) are from God. (Note: This would include those of a Nazi Germany, yet believers seldom follow this injunction. Even Jesus and his Disciples violated this principle.)

        1CO 6:1-8 Christians should never go to court against each other, but should, instead, let the church settle their differences.

        MT 5:42, LK 6:30, 35 Give to everyone who asks. Lend to everyone who wants to borrow.

        MT 6:6 Pray in private.

        MT 6:25-34, LK 12:22-31 Take no thought for tomorrow. God will take care of you.

        ^^ so if you are putting money away for retirement or for your children’s education, you are disobeying the new testament

      • Steve Dustcircle

        Don’t forget to include the rich history of Judeo-Christianity, what with the genocides, rapes, pillaging, and incredulous tales.

  • C_Alan_Nault

    Please stand up to atheists. There are numerous ways around the silly laws.

    • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

      That’s what they did — instead of violating the first amendment, they moved a religious event to a church, like they should have done originally.

  • Seymore Philmore

    As if telling someone everything magically appeared out of nothing and progressed through the will of a force called “nature” isn’t indoctrination. smh

    • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

      You don’t understand science, do you?

      • Oboehner

        Sure, it’s observable, and repeatable unlike everything magically appearing out of nothing.

        • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

          What’s observable, and repeatable? And by “magically appearing out of nothing”, are you referring to Genesis in the bible?

          • Oboehner

            Nope your pathetic attempt to shift focus is observable, but let’s not make it repeatable shall we? I’m referring to life magically popping out of ooze after the exploding dot thing.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            You don’t understand science.

          • Oboehner

            Back to that now, how sad that’s all you have – that and blind faith.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            No, really, you don’t understand science. Your “summaries” are ridiculous parodies of science.

          • Oboehner

            *YAWN* wake me when you’re off the lame “you don’t understand science” drivel and have some proof or something of substance.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            Science doesn’t use “proof”, it uses evidence and observations. For example, evolution has been observed.

          • Oboehner

            Really? You mean minor adaptations that revert back when the need is no longer there? Show some proof of a single cell organism turning into a complex life form then.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            You mean minor adaptations that revert back when the need is no longer there? Show some proof of a single cell organism turning into a complex life form then.

            You don’t understand evolution either. However, go ahead and look up observed evolution, like the long-term e. coli experiment.

          • Oboehner

            ROFL, Drumroll please… the e. coli evolved into….. e,coli! How amazing, how colossal!!
            Show some proof of a single cell organism turning into a complex life form.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            Drumroll please… the e. coli evolved into….. e,coli!

            See? It’s impossible for you to learn anything about evolution, since you think you know, but you don’t. Your statement only shows your own ignorance.

            You don’t even know the difference between “evolution” and “speciation”.

            Show some proof of a single cell organism turning into a complex life form.

            I’ve shown you observed evolution and you refused to learn.

          • Oboehner

            “I’ve shown you observed evolution” You’ve shown me minor adaptation, you have failed miserably at demonstrating how the magic life that popped out of the ooze turned into man – guess I’ll just have to take that on faith like you and your other religious believers do.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            You’ve shown me minor adaptation

            You don’t get to change real scientific terms — actual scientists call the e. coli experiment “evolution”, and you can’t just pretend you can deny evolution by using your ignorance of what words mean.

            you have failed miserably at demonstrating how the magic life that popped out of the ooze turned into man

            I haven’t even attempted that; you are currently too ignorant to even make it worth trying.

            guess I’ll just have to take that on faith like you and your other religious believers do.

            No, REAL scientists know what terms like “evolution” means, and they know that the e. coli experiment shows evolution.

          • Oboehner

            REAL scientists, LOL. Another lame pile, so where is that proof of a single cell organism turning into a complex life form you keep dancing around? Just because e. coli evolves into e. coli doesn’t prove anything other than no matter how much time passes, it will still be e. coli.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            REAL scientists, LOL.

            Yes, as opposed to people like yourself, who don’t even know what “evolution” means.

          • Steen Goddik

            No kidding. That idiot thinks that Abiogenesis is Evolution.

          • Oboehner

            More dodging, so where is that proof of a single cell organism turning into a complex life form you keep dancing around?

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            I’ve already told you, science doesn’t use “proofs”, it uses evidence and observations. But you can’t learn things.

          • Oboehner

            So the whole observable, repeatable, testable thing is right out the window? No single cell organisms becoming complex is no problem at all, just have to have faith it happened that way.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            So the whole observable, repeatable, testable thing is right out the window?

            No, what isn’t observable, repeatable, or testable is religion’s claims of special creation.

            Evolution is observable, repeatable, and testable.

            No single cell organisms becoming complex is no problem at all

            Again, you’re only showing your ignorance.

          • Oboehner

            Yet another pathetic attempt to steer the topic you can’t answer toward something else. “Special creation” is NOT the topic here again, you’re only showing your ignorance.
            It is not repeatable, observable nor testable – unless you can produce the documentation of how a single cell became a complex organism.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            It is not repeatable, observable nor testable

            Evolution is. Your ignorance doesn’t count.

            unless you can produce the documentation of how a single cell became a complex organism.

            Again, your ignorance of evolution is no excuse.

          • Steen Goddik

            Yeah, that’s right. You are so ignorant that you think evolution is only the formation of new species (which is only a miniscule part of Evolution), or the origins of life (which has nothing at all to do with evolution). So yes, real scientists know this, and creationist liars like you do not even know what Evolution is.

          • Oboehner

            You’re admitting that the “all life derived from ooze” shtick is a lie? How about stowing the useless ad hominem attacks “You are so ignorant” and prove me wrong.

          • Steen Goddik

            Another dumb statement. Rather, Abiogenesis, the field of study on the origin of life, that is not the same as Evolution, the study of change in life between generations.

            So you are again lying, and you again show that you have no clue what the Scientific evidence shows, instead making crazy, lying claims. Business as usual, from lying creationists

          • Oboehner

            Abiogenesis is part of the evolutionism religion, or are you saying you don’t believe life just popped out of ooze? BTW, there has been nothing more that minor adaptations (which revert back) between generations – e. coli is still and always will be e. coli.

            So you are again lying, making crazy, lying claims. Business as usual, from lying evolutionists.

          • Steen Goddik

            Abiogenesis is not part of evolution, your lie none withstanding. And any change in a population between generations is still evolution, that lie of yours none withstanding. Sad, that ignorance of yours.

          • Oboehner

            More empty “lies” claims with nothing at all to back it up – pathetic.

          • Steen Goddik

            Adaptation, the change in allele expression in a population between generations. Oh look, it is Evolution.

            When you ignorantly claim them to be the same, you simply expose the ignorance of creationist lies.

          • Oboehner

            Minor adaptation, then *POOF* that whale becomes a cow? Hardly, you simply expose the ignorance of evolutionist lies, speculations, assumptions, and blind faith.

          • Steen Goddik

            Still a claim that has nothing to do with the actual science of Evolution. Therefore another lie from an ignorant creationist. Just keep going, showing the world how much creationists lie.

          • Oboehner

            More “ignorant” yammering with ZERO substance to back that asinine claim. Therefore another lie from a deluded evolutionist. Just keep going, showing the world how much evolutionists lie.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            You really want to teach evolution to someone who believes the first man was made out of mud, the first woman out of a rib taken from that man, a talking snake and a virgin birth? I admire you.

          • Steen Goddik

            Oh, please, PLEASE provide your evidence for “revert back.” No? Evolution certainly involves what you call “adaptation.” Again,it is clear that you don’t know what evolution is.

            Please post your definition of what Evolution is, so your crazy, ignorant posts can make sense.

            But let me ask you this. If I can provide the evidence of a single-cell organism evolving into a multicellular organism with specialization amongst the cells, will you acknowledge that your claims are false, and that the Scientific Theory Of Evolution is valid? You are asking for the evidence, so if we provide it, you will accept it, right?

          • Oboehner

            Ever study Darwin’s finches? The beaks reverted back when they were no longer needed – one example. Perhaps you should learn more of you religion before looking more the fool.
            I am asking for proof, evidence can be skewed depending on one’s world view. Your “evidence” can be used to show multiple beliefs.

          • Steen Goddik

            Your claim regarding Darwin’s finches is an outright lie.
            Proof has been provided, and you lied about it. Not much point in providing further proof to a liar like you.

            So you just keep on bearing false witness, showing the world what liars that creationists are.

          • Oboehner

            Perhaps remedial evolutionism is in order for you, Drs. Peter and Rosemary Grant observed how, under drought conditions, birds with larger beaks were better adapted than others, thus their percentage increased. But this trend REVERSED when the cyclical conditions reversed.

            So you just keep on bearing false witness, showing the world what liars that evolutionists are.

          • Steen Goddik

            Changes in the alleles of a population. That’s not reverting and traits going away. Nice try there. Once again, you show your ignorance of the science.

          • Oboehner

            When it changes back to the previous, that is reverting. Nice try there. Once again, you show your ignorance of the science.

          • Steen Goddik

            It doesn’t change back to the “previous,” your false claim none withstanding

          • Steen Goddik

            You make claims that have nothing to do with Evolution. You make claims that have nothing to do with science.

            The very clear conclusion is, that you don’t know what the Scientific Theory Of Evolution is, and you don’t know what the Scientific Method is. So yes, it is very clear that you don’t know these things. You can “yawn” all the time, like you probably did in Science classo, but that doesn’t stop your claims from all being false, and you bearing false witness, lying for Jesus.

          • Oboehner

            All you religious evolutionists have is – “you don’t understand _____”. You have nothing to back up your religion so you resort to that and pathetic statements such as “you bearing false witness, lying for Jesus”

          • Steen Goddik

            Well, it is reality. Every claim you have made about science is outright false. You have shown no knowledge of science, but entry of willingness to make those false claims.

            So yes, you are an ignorant liar, regardless of your dislike of having been exposed as such. If you don’t like it, then just stop lying about science, and you won’t be called on it .

          • Oboehner

            Back atcha: Every claim you have made about science is outright false. You have shown no knowledge of science, but entry of willingness to make those false claims.
            So yes, you are an ignorant liar, regardless of your dislike of having been exposed as such. If you don’t like it, then just stop lying about science, and you won’t be called on it .

          • Steen Goddik

            Oh that’s funny, from somebody who don’t know what the Scientific Method is, or what the Scientific Theory of Evolution is.

          • Oboehner

            More “you don’t understand” or “you don’t know” bilge while the question is continually dodged.

          • Jalapeno

            Wow..you STILL haven’t learned what evolution actually is?

          • Oboehner

            Evolutionism in it’s entirety is a religious belief based an atheistic worldview.

          • Jalapeno

            So..no, you haven’t.

          • Oboehner

            Maybe you haven’t that’s the problem here, because if you had a shred of anything you probably would be sharing it.

          • Steen Goddik

            No such thing is part of science.

          • Oboehner

            You are correct, that religious belief is not part of science just like complex organisms arrived through blind random chance is not either.

          • Steen Goddik

            Sure. But them arriving through the process of Evolution certainly is part of science.

            Where you got your “blind random chance” from, who knows. But it just shows that you don’t understand what the Scientific findings and evidence says. Your ignorance of the science doesn’t invalidate the science. It simply shows you to be ignorant of it.

          • Oboehner

            “But them arriving through the process of Evolution certainly is part of science.” Have documentation of this or must I take it on faith?

            I see you have the patent “Your ignorance of the science” spiel down pat, nice job!

          • Steen Goddik

            Evolution certainly is observable and repeatable. There are a lot of studies showing this, had you actually looked at the science.

      • Seymore Philmore

        Yes. It is a proven fact that non-living material cannot produce living material. It is also verifiable fact that all information requires a source therefore no genetic code can be produced arbitrarily.

        • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

          Yes. It is a proven fact that non-living material cannot produce living material.

          Sorry, that’s not a “fact”.

          It is also verifiable fact that all information requires a source therefore no genetic code can be produced arbitrarily.

          I’m sure you’re completely ignorant about information theory, too.

          • Seymore Philmore

            It is a fact and you’re a liar for saying otherwise. I would cite the credible sources but you would merely reject it. So keep living your crack pipe dream as you choose.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            It is a fact and you’re a liar for saying otherwise.

            No, it isn’t a “fact”. Provide a real cite.

            I would cite the credible sources but you would merely reject it.

            Go right ahead. If it’s some creationist or religious site, I’ll laugh at you.

          • Seymore Philmore

            Then you’re an idiot because these people tell the truth since they believe God’s word is true, which says ALL liars will have their place in the lake of fire.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            Then you’re an idiot because these people tell the truth since they believe God’s word is true

            See that word “believe”?

            That indicates someone’s error-prone opinion. Just like thousands of other people who believe in other gods and who believe THEIR god’s words are true.

            Can you really not see this?

          • Seymore Philmore

            Nay, friend. That belief is due to being acquainted with God personally. Our faith is not a blind one. Seek Christ while you can. There will be an end to the opportunity to do so.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            Nay, friend. That belief is due to being acquainted with God personally.

            BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

            Sorry, your opinion doesn’t turn into a fact just because you really, really, really, really, really believe it.

            There will be an end to the opportunity to do so.

            Which is a classic con game ploy — you have a limited time and have to made a decision before you can possibly know if you’re being deceived.

          • Seymore Philmore

            You already know. God has put the knowledge of His existence into the very soul of humans. For this reason, you will not have any excuse and will be rightly condemned to eternal damnation. God doesn’t send people to Hell. You put yourself there. Enjoy!

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            You already know. God has put the knowledge of His existence into the very soul of humans.

            Nope, gods are imaginary.

            For this reason, you will not have any excuse and will be rightly condemned to eternal damnation.

            The old “eternal torment for a mistaken opinion” act. How immoral.

            God doesn’t send people to Hell. You put yourself there.

            Blaming the victim.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Americans should be free to exercise Christianity anywhere as all they want – that was the very purpose of founding America.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      They are. Just as long as the government is not involved in it.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Government should push what is good, namely Christianity. De-christianized West is the first civilization on earth to legally discourage what is good knowingly. Sad.

        • Steen Goddik

          Your treasonous disregard for the US Constitution shows how much you hate America.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I love America. You guys are the ones who got changed and sold the nation for nothing. Secular Americans do not love America; what they love is depraved immorality. You guys are bullying the Christians instead of colored people this century.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            You guys are bullying the Christians instead of colored people this century.

            So we should be bullying colored people then?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No one must be bullied on the American soil. That is American forefathers’ dream. Nowadays, conservative white men are being bullied. Say no to bullying. Grant Christians religious freedom and that helps bring justice upon the land. I do not wish to be bullied in the West because of my Biblical Christian faith. No one ever imagined that the secular West would be this Anti-christian by upholding immorality.

          • Steen Goddik

            You are specifically rejecting the Constitution of the United States. That makes you a traitor. Claiming that your anti-American views makes you love America, that is beyond stupid. It makes you an outright liar.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Anti-Christian Americans are breaking the US Constitution by oppressing the Christians in the land. Americans need Christianity to be saved and behave humane. You have no other conscience or morality.

        • Bill

          Government has no business legislating morality. The Constitution spells out the role of government and that is not in it.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Man cannot be separated from conscience. Those who don’t have conscience are villains. Americans are exceptional species thoroughly spoiled by the gentle Church; that’s why they say stuff like separation of Church and state. What the creators of USA meant is separation of denominations and state. Americans always thought of unchurched people as illiterate savages, and rightly so. They never imagined Non-christian America; they never imagined their bad descendants would turn around and attack the good religion of Christianity. Today’s condition of Anti-Christian USA is crazy. It is Anti-American. Whoever heard of a man attacking his own conscience or his own good parents? Raw pagans are not even that inhumane. Prosperity is a woe in ungrateful Sodom. God’s justice will come around upon the USA for the sake of all Earthlings.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            that’s why they say stuff like separation of Church and state.

            They just don’t say it, it is law. Just like in some European nations. And a good thing we have it.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Western Europe and America did not know they’d lose morality altogether by losing Christianity. Christianity is Europe and America’s conscience. Stop the godless immoral secular notion even now to do what is right. Separation of Church and state meant separation of denomination and state, not prohibition of Christianity like in today’s secular West. American Founders were speaking to Christian American people.

        • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

          We tried that. Puritans in Boston hanged Quakers for being the “wrong” religion. Congrats.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Christian USA provided everyone the utmost religious freedom like no other civilization including Europe did. Quakers can’t even exist in other lands; Christian America was best-behaving to them. Secular USA is an oppressive Sodom, a shame to all American fathers. Today’s secular Americans are not true Americans. The land belongs to God.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            provided everyone the utmost religious freedom like no other civilization including Europe did.

            Uhm, try again.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It’s true. Secular Westerners do not know the outside world, the utter darkness of absense of Christianity and of having no Bible. That’s why they attack the Church like some spoiled rotten kids attacking their own good parents. You must wake up. Read the Word of God to get saved and regain humanity.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            Christian USA provided everyone the utmost religious freedom like no other civilization including Europe did.

            No, that was the Enlightenment. Puritan Christians hanged Quakers.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, Quakers fought WITH the Puritans for America. It’s only the recent decades Americans started attacking the Puritans, the creators of America.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            No, Quakers fought WITH the Puritans for America.

            Look, Puritans HANGED Quakers in Boston — Marmaduke Stephenson, William Robinson, Mary Dyer, and William Leddra, in 1659 – 1661. The Boston law against Quakers was passed in 1658. You can’t get around well-established facts by making up your own fantasy world.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Quakers were misunderstood, because Puritans themselves were from the firely furnace of Europe. Such thing did not last; the Puritan Americans quickly gave them rights later, and the Quakers flourished in America as all other religious minorities did.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            the Puritan Americans quickly gave them rights later

            No, they didn’t. Charles II demanded that they stop — the Puritans didn’t do it willingly because they considered Quakers to be heretics.

            You’re hilarious — you are attempting to paint all Christians as being the only ones in favor of religious freedom by lying about Christians persecuting other Christians.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong; American Puritans willingly provided everyone religious freedom as they deepened the understanding of the Holy Bible and Christian living. Christian West alone battled for the truth and came to religious freedom on its own without external elements interfering, unlike any other civilizations. Study history correctly.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            American Puritans willingly provided everyone religious freedom as they deepened the understanding of the Holy Bible and Christian living

            No, they HANGED QUAKERS.

            Maybe if you followed a religion that said it was immoral to lie, you’d stop lying about what Puritans did to Quakers.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Those who were deemed national traitors got hanged all the time everywhere on Planet Earth; Puritans later gave the Quakers the best freedom in the world. Quakers became happy in America; they were part of Puritanic Christians along with the Amish anyway. You say ignorant stuff because you don’t even know US history.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            Those who were deemed national traitors got hanged all the time everywhere on Planet Earth

            It wasn’t for being traitors, it was for being heretics. They were hanged for being the “wrong” kind of Christian.

            Puritans later gave the Quakers the best freedom in the world.

            No, they didn’t. They were forced to stop.

            You say ignorant stuff because you don’t even know US history.

            You’ve been lying throughout this whole thread, and now you’re lying about me in a pathetic attempt to cover up your own lies and ignorance.

          • Bob Johnson

            The Puritans in the Massachusetts Bay Colony are a prime example of a theocracy. Hanging, banishments, and imprisonment of non-Puritan sects and later the famous Salem witch trails. The group had a schism at the very beginning between the separating and non-separating Puritans. Indeed the Puritan theocracy in New England focused the framers of the USA to create a secular government with no religious test for holding office.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            American Puritans were godly and examplary to many peoples around the world. Puritans quickly became aware that they should keep the balanced Biblical principles by keeping reforming themselves. Mankind of entire world conducted theocracy but the American Puritans had the best quality among all. Atheists and secularists are the worst killers of all time. Secular Americans blaspheme like madmen, massacre infants and sell their body parts, conduct experiments on live humans, and push Sodomy and suicide. Secularism is the worst deadly decadence that mankind has ever faced. Secular USA is the tragic proof of what a dead conscience does to mankind. American Puritans are heroes, but secular Americans are hedonists. America needs Christianity for salvation and decency.

          • Bob Johnson

            And then , of course, there is the story of Roger Williams. Not a good record for the Massachusetts Bay Colony.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Well, our Constitution states otherwise. If you want to repeal the First Amendment, you’d better get started.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, the religious freedom everywhere. Atheists can just sit back and do not participate and that’s all.

        • http://www.nomorebadtown.com NoMoreBadTown

          How is Christianity good? Your god created evil. Isaiah 45:7

  • Alexa_deTocqueville

    Hooroar for citizens who want to uphold our Constitution!
    Better for church and state to be separated. Better for both.

  • http://www.nomorebadtown.com NoMoreBadTown

    There is no need for religion in schools. People use gods to fill in the spaces in the gaps of their knowledge. As we follow the trajectory of knowledge, the need for any gods just dwindles, and it approaches zero.

  • C_Alan_Nault

    “School District Moves Back-to-School Prayer Service Out of Elementary School Following Atheist Complaint”

    Or to put it more correctly:

    “School District Moves Back-to-School Prayer Service Out of Elementary School After being Informed They Would Be In Violation Of The Constitution”

  • C_Alan_Nault

    Why do they want to have a public prayer anywhere? That’s in direct contradiction of what the Bible tells us Jesus said ( maybe these people think they are smarter than Jesus).

    Matthew 6:5 (KJV)
    And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

    Matthew 6:6 (KJV)
    But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

  • Craig Reynolds

    All those quotes from assorted colleges were made far prior to the US Constitution and repeated here in a manner similar to forcing Old Testament dogma into New Testament times. They were also made for private, not public, institutions.