American College of Pediatricians: ‘No Scientific Basis’ That Children With Gender Dysphoria Born in Wrong Body

Children 2 pdThe American College of Pediatricians (ACP) has released a report stating that it is wrong to encourage children to believe that they were born in the wrong body as there is no scientific basis for such an assertion.

The report, “Gender Dysphoria in Children,” was written by Dr. Michelle Cretella and explains that the condition is more psychological than biological.

“[A]lthough many men with GD express the belief that they are a ‘feminine essence’ trapped in a male body, this belief has no scientific basis,” it states.

Cretella outlines that children are not born with the brains of the opposite sex.

“[T]he brains of all male infants are masculinized prenatally by their own endogenous testosterone, which is secreted … beginning at approximately eight weeks’ gestation,” she explains. “Female infants … do not have their brains masculinized by endogenous testosterone. For this reason, barring one of the rare disorders of sex development (DSD), boys are not born with feminized brains, and girls are not born with masculinized brains.”

Rather, the ACP believes that youth come to struggle with their sexual identity due to various experiences from their infancy onward.

“The literature regarding the etiology and psychotherapeutic treatment of childhood GD is heavily based upon clinical case studies. These studies suggest that social reinforcement, parental psychopathology, family dynamics, and social contagion facilitated by mainstream and social media, all contribute to the development and/or persistence of GD in some vulnerable children,” Cretella writes.

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She explains that, for instance, boys with tendencies to behave feminine often do so because of the lack of a proper relationship with their father.

“A large body of clinical literature documents that fathers of feminine boys report spending less time with their sons between the ages of two and five as compared with fathers of control boys. This is consistent with data that shows feminine boys feel closer to their mothers than to their fathers,” Cretella outlines.

And with girls, “there have been cases in which girls are afraid of their fathers who may exhibit volatile anger up to and including abuse toward the mother. A girl may perceive being female as unsafe, and psychologically defend against this by feeling that she is really a boy; subconsciously believing that if she were a boy she would be safe from and loved by her father.”

And therefore, some children develop gender dysphoria, which the ACP classifies as a mental disorder.

“People who identify as ‘feeling like the opposite sex’ or ‘somewhere in between’ or some other category do not comprise a third sex,” Cretella says. “They remain biological men or biological women. GD is a problem that resides in the mind not in the body. Children with GD do not have a disordered body—even though they feel as if they do.”

And sex changes are not physically possible.

“From a purely scientific standpoint, human beings possess a biologically determined sex and innate sex differences. No sexologist could actually change a person’s genes through hormones and surgery. Sex change is objectively impossible,” the ACP states.

“Twin studies demonstrate that GD is not an innate trait. Moreover, barring pre-pubertal affirmation and hormone intervention for GD, 80 percent to 95 percent of children with GD will accept the reality of their biological sex by late adolescence,” it outlines.

The organization is therefore calling for an end to hormonal treatments and sex change operations, as well as educational curriculum that teaches children that some persons are trapped in the wrong body.

“Ethics alone demands an end to the use of pubertal suppression with GnRH agonists, cross-sex hormones, and sex reassignment surgeries in children and adolescents,” Cretella writes. “The College recommends an immediate cessation of these interventions, as well as an end to promoting gender ideology via school curricula and legislative policies.”

“Healthcare, school curricula and legislation must remain anchored to physical reality,” she says on behalf of ACP. “Scientific research should focus upon better understanding the psychological underpinnings of this disorder, optimal family and individual therapies, as well as delineating the differences among children who resolve with watchful waiting versus those who resolve with therapy and those who persist despite therapy.”


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  • uninvitedguest

    the acop is a sham organization that is an offshoot of the American Academy of Pediatrics. the acop has about 100 members whereas the AAP has greater than 60,000. they are bigots in white coats. pure desperation causes people to even consider their findings. ridiculous

    • Amos Moses

      The only bigots are the ones here trying to label others with a differing opinion ……… without any reason for labeling them bigots ….. except that different opinion ………….. you are bigots …… to the truth …….

      • Jalapeno

        I think that the fact that they’re ACTING bigoted is a pretty good reason.

        • Amos Moses

          You act bigoted on a daily basis …………

          • Jalapeno

            Oh? How is that.

            The only thing I’m really intolerant of is people being intolerant. The viewpoint itself doesn’t matter.

          • Amos Moses

            The onlt thing you are intolerant of is christianity, christians and the truth ……..

          • Jalapeno

            Okay. You’re very incorrect. Surprise surprise.

    • uninvitedguest

      poor amos, i blocked you when you made your ridiculous comments about the orlando shootings. no more having to read your drivel any longer.

      • Amos Moses

        BooHoo …………BooHoo ……..

      • Amos Moses

        So i guess i get to respond to you and you cant answer back because you cant see it ……. see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil ……… and that of course changes all of the debate …….. BooHoo …….. and i guess telling me that is your neener, neener, neener, neener, neener, ……….. LOL ………. what a porchdick …… what kind of a pansy are you anyway …….

  • Liberal Elitist

    It sounds so official and sciencey! It’s got “college” in it, which is formal and academic, and “pediatricians”, which are a kind of doctor, and you can never go wrong slapping “American” on your brand label.

    It’s also because the ACP is not a legitimate medical organization; its name is designed to be mistaken for the American Academy of Pediatrics, which is a national organization with some 60,000 members. The ACP, by contrast, is estimated to have no more than 200 members, and it has been designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center for its anti-LGBT positions.

    — P.Z. Myers, Pharyngula

    • Ambulance Chaser

      While you are correct, you would do better to attack the paper itself rather than ad-hom the organization that produced it.

      While I concur that the ACP is composed of terrible, terrible people, simply being a fraud, liar, crank, idiot, charlatan, and/or a criminal does not mean that everything you say is automatically wrong and can be dismissed without inspection.

      • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ DavidHart-slowlyboiledfrog.com

        The paper is just that. It is not published to a respected peer reviewed scholarly journal.

        • Amos Moses

          Peer reviewed does not make any paper correct, the ideas in the paper correct, true or unbiased, it costs about $500 to get any dreck published ……. it means absolutely nothing …………..

        • uninvitedguest

          might as well be a highschool research paper

    • Amos Moses

      i guess AMA, NEJM, and pretty much EVERY medical agency doctors belong to call themselves a college ….. College of plastic surgeons, College of neurosurgeons, College of pulmonary medice, etc…… so really sad and sorry attempt to delegitimize with no real knowledge or cause ………… and just here to PROPAGANDIZE the alphabet deviant agenda ………..

      • Ambulance Chaser

        I didn’t hear anyone say anything even remotely like that.

        • Amos Moses

          then listen …….. well, read actually ………

        • The Last Trump

          You didn’t?
          Really?
          Gee, that’s funny. I heard it just fine. Clear as a bell, it was.
          Maybe scroll on up again and give it another go, Muffin.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            No one has an objection to the ACP calling itself a college of anything. We have an objection to the ACP being a bunch of liars and pseudoscientific Quacks.

          • sangrita

            The point wasn’t that official sounding names should be disqualified.
            The point was that this PARTICULAR one should be, based on all the reprehensible actions which are hardly befitting a medical organization.
            That seems quite obvious by the discussion taking place.

    • Amos Moses

      Like all these …………

      American College of Surgeons
      The American College of Surgeons is dedicated to improving the care of the surgical patient and to safeguarding standards of care in an optimal and ethical …

      American College of Cardiology: Home
      The American College of Cardiology, a 49000-member nonprofit medical society, is dedicated to enhancing the lives of cardiovascular patients through …

      American College of Physicians | Internal Medicine | ACP
      Official site of the American College of Physicians. ACP provides advocacy, practice tools, clinical guidance, CME and MOC for Internal Medicine and more.

      American College of Rheumatology
      American College of Rheumatology represents rheumatologists and rheumatology health professionals around the world and is committed to advancing …
      Doctor of Education degrees, & Graduate Teaching Certificates.

      American College of Sports Medicine
      The American College of Sports Medicine, ACSM, is the largest sports medicine and exercise science organization in the world. With more than 50000 members …

      • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ DavidHart-slowlyboiledfrog.com

        Except it has fewer than 200 members — AAP has 60,000 members.
        It releases position papers — AAP provides a peer reviewed scholarly journal.
        It has a budge of about $300 thou — AAP’s budget is $110 million.
        It has no state chapters — AAP has 50 state chapters

        • Amos Moses

          So what …….. and not the point ….. trying to deride based on the name was the point that was being made ….. number of members does not make them wrong …..

          • Sporkfighter

            No, the lack of peer reviewed science makes them irrelevant.

          • Amos Moses

            Peer reviewed means nothing ………… it does not make any of their assertions true ……

          • Sporkfighter

            It means others who have spent their lives studying in the same field and familiar with the existing research had looked it over and found its findings consistent with its data.

          • Amos Moses

            Replace the ; with a .

            wakingtimes;com/2016/04/21/6-reasons-why-most-scientific-research-is-fake/

            pjmedia;com/lifestyle/2015/10/31/peer-review-fraud-on-the-rise-at-scientific-journals/

            ncbi;nlm;nih;gov/pmc/articles/…
            Open-access is a model for publishing scholarly, peer-reviewed journals on the Internet that relies on sources of funding other than subscription fees. Some publishers and editors have exploited the author-pays model of open-access, publishing for their own profit. Submissions are encouraged through widely distributed e-mails on behalf of a growing number of journals that may accept many or all submissions and subject them to little, if any, peer review or editorial oversight. Bogus conference invitations are distributed in a similar fashion. The results of these less than ethical practices might include loss of faculty member time and money, inappropriate article inclusions in curriculum vitae, and costs to the college or funding source.

            it is less than worthless …….. it has no meaning as to the truth of the research or to any of the information in their articles …….

          • Amos Moses

            Why A Fake Article Titled “Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs?” Was Accepted By 17 Medical Journals
            A Harvard scientist wanted to see exactly how easy it is to get medical research published. In some cases, $500 is pretty much all it takes.
            fastcompany;com/3041493/body-week/why-a-fake-article-cuckoo-for-cocoa-puffs-was-accepted-by-17-medical-journals

          • Sporkfighter

            Author-pays journals are pretty sketchy. Nobody I know considers them a primary source because of the publisher’s conflict of interest, and calling them “peer reviewed is really a stretch.

          • Amos Moses

            Hence it is all garbage …….. and not a meter of truth ………

        • uninvitedguest

          Exactly

      • The Last Trump

        Hee, hee!
        Looks like the science deniers are at it again, eh Amos!
        Thank goodness we have so many biased, agenda driven trolls around here to explain to us simpletons what is and is not “REAL” science!
        Ahhh, the hypocrisy just never gets old.

        • sangrita

          You have it backwards. We are the science supporters. You are the science deniers.

          • Heidi Kersbergen

            No, you are. Because you follow feelings and dreams of people and put a sticker on it named science. This article gives us just facts, what’s not to believe? Because you don’t like the outcome, that’s why you don’t accept them. Well let me tell you, people with these dissorders will never become happy, reuining their body’s and minds and still not happy. God made us, and His design is all that counts whatever people want or not want.

          • Amos Moses

            No …. you are the psuedo-science supporters ………

          • sangrita

            Since everything you’re stating is based solely on your opinion, I think I know where to file that one, Amos.

          • Amos Moses

            Back at cha sport ………..

          • sangrita

            Except I’m not stating opinions, and you are. Sport.

          • Amos Moses

            You are stating they are not …….. and that is an opinion SPORT ………….

          • sangrita

            Burden of proof is on you. You haven’t provided proof for your statement. Because you can’t. Because it isn’t backed up with facts. Because it isn’t factual. Because it is your opinion. And nothing more than that.

    • Guest

      So what? Do you really think that numbers trump accuracy? If so, you must be Muslim.

      • uninvitedguest

        nope. he is just pointing out how its not really an organization devoted to children but instead is devoted to opposing the lgbt community. just a bunch of posers

        • Amos Moses

          NOPE ……… its really an organization opposed to the sexualization of children and pedophilia under the guise of protecting the rights of alphabet deviants ……. but also using medical research to support the protection of children ……

    • B1jetmech

      and it has been designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center for its anti-LGBT positions.

      Guess that means there is going to be a shooting against ACP like what happened at the FRC. (Family Research Council)

      • Liberal Elitist

        Or a shooting by a fundamentalist Christian against SPLC like what happened at Planned Parenthood.

        • B1jetmech

          their 1993 divorce, his ex-wife said, “He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but does not follow the Bible in his actions.

          (Wikipedia)

          Doesn’t sound very fundamentalist Christian to me.

          • Liberal Elitist

            They never are… after the damage is already done.

          • B1jetmech

            Yep..to feed the propaganda mill.

        • Heidi Kersbergen

          It was not a fundametalist Christian, it was a crazy man who did that shooting. What makes you know what a fundamentalist Christian is anyway? Fundamental believers believe the fundaments of the religion they are in, wether with a god or without a god. Atheism is a religion as well. A Christian can only be a fundamentalist is he or she believes and does the words of Jesus Christ, which is to love and not to hate, to care and not to murder. If someone does otherwise, he or she is not a fundamentalist whatever they call themselves or are being called.

      • uninvitedguest

        love how yall blame the SPLC for the actions of a lunatic. the only way there will be another shooti g is if some looney toon goes nutty again. no fault of the SPLC.

        • B1jetmech

          The SPLC calls anybody who disagrees with them a “Hate” group…you know, a terrorist like title to these organizations. Very careless and dangerous on their part.

          Do Ya’ll have a problem with that???

          • sangrita

            They don’t, they call people guilty of hate crimes hate groups. Based on the examples they provide, I agree with them.

          • B1jetmech

            Problem is, they have no examples to groups like the American Family Association and other Christian based ministries that disagrees with the liberal agenda.

            What SPLC is out to do is stigmatized certain thoughts and ideals so one day, an individual who speaks their mind against liberal issues could be criminalized.

          • sangrita

            The AFA are considered an extreme right hate group in their own right.

          • B1jetmech

            You people need to get over the fact when someone disagrees with you, it’s not hate.

            You can’t be taken seriously when you are careless with your words and outcomes.

    • ShemSilber

      Backing up your statement with a reference to the SPLC is a fine way to discredit what you have said, for they are similar to Islam and the LGBT subculture, in that they are extremely short on truth and long on hate of anything that is right, and good and proper. They are among those who will be weighed in the balance and found quite wanting in the Day of our Master Yahushua, when He descends from the heavens to judge the earth, to clean it up of all evils, and give us everlasting peace and everlasting life by which to enjoy it, omein!

    • dtom1955

      The Southern Poverty Law Center is itself a hate group.

  • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ DavidHart-slowlyboiledfrog.com

    ACPeds is not a professional organization. It is a minuscule anti-gay hate group. The real professional organization is the American Academy of Pediatrics which offers very different guidance regarding trans kids.

    • Amos Moses

      NOPE ……… its really an organization opposed to the sexualization of children and pedophilia under the guise of protecting the rights of alphabet deviants ……. but also using medical research to support the protection of children ……

      Child Bride Legally Married Under Sharia Law, German Judge Rules
      Jun 11, 2016 … A German court has recognised the marriage of a 14-year-old girl to her 20-year- old cousin, despite the legal age in Germany being 16.

      Report: More Than 1,000 Known Child Marriages in Germany
      1 day ago … German authorities are reportedly “sounding the alarm” over a sharp … In February, Breitbart London reported that dozens of child brides had …

      Germany mulls stricter child marriage laws – The Local
      Jun 13, 2016 … With hundreds of cases of child brides reportedly coming to Germany among recently arrived refugees, German politicians are considering …

      Coming soon to a neighborhood near you ……… and maybe your daughter ………..

  • Nidalap

    Hmm…it seems to me that there are two separate groups in this whole gender confusion thing.

    One group has a pathological belief that they are trapped in the wrong body. This group has obvious psychological issues and needs serious help.
    This makes them a handy shield for the other group which actually populate the LGBTQAI movement. The second group just likes to act as the opposite gender as part of a sexual perversion.
    Arguably, it’s still a psychological condition, albeit slightly different.
    That’s why you see them hold up the first as a shield, then support things like this whole bathroom nonsense, which would be detrimental to their mental condition…

    • sangrita

      “The second group just likes to act as the opposite gender as part of a sexual perversion.”

      That’s your considered medical opinion, is it?

      • Amos Moses

        It is an statement of the SIN state of these people ………….

        • sangrita

          No, sorry. No sin involved.

          • Amos Moses

            No sorry …..it is all SIN ………… it is the sexualization of children and pedophilia …….

          • sangrita

            No, you should really concede defeat on this one Amos…

          • Amos Moses

            Nope …… there is no compromise with SIN ……….

          • sangrita

            Which isn’t what this is.

          • Amos Moses

            Which is exactly what this is ……..

          • sangrita

            No. No action is taking place for a person to be transgender. They do not sin by their mere existence no matter what your belief.

          • Amos Moses

            Nope ……. the action is placing the idea in their young impressionable minds about sex and questioning what they are …….. and it is pedophilia and the sin is committed by those doing so ….. and tempting those young children to SIN ……..

          • sangrita

            Ridiculous. You’re actually making the claim that transgenders are the way they are because they all have impressionable minds which have been attacked by liberals? Which has WHAT to do with pedophilia, by the way? Have you read the science on this subject and decided you know better than the people who study it?

          • Amos Moses

            “You’re actually making the claim that transgenders are the way they are because they all have impressionable minds which have been attacked by liberals?”

            Nope ……… and learn to parse …..

          • sangrita

            Well then what are you talking about? Why do you keep dragging pedophilia into this discussion when it’s completely unrelated. Nobody is sinning here, they feel trapped in the wrong body and because you have not been in that situation and are not a medical professional, you aren’t qualified to made judgments about it.

          • Amos Moses

            Because children are being dragged into it …. and being sexualized …… and that makes it pedophilia …..

          • sangrita

            No one recommends gender reassignment surgery to children. I think you’re making this up.

          • Amos Moses

            “No one recommends gender reassignment surgery to children. I think you’re making this up.”

            Sure ……… kind feels like you have an agenda and no real world information ……… pity ……..

            Sex-change treatment for kids on the rise – CBS News
            CBS News
            Feb 20, 2012 … Growing number of children – as young as 4 – who think they were born wrong … Gender-reassignment surgery, which may include removing or …

            How young is too young to seek gender reassignment? –
            HT Health
            Jul 7, 2015 … Boone underwent gender reassignment surgery to become female at just 18. … They say it is more seamless for a teenage boy to transition to …

            Child Healing: Transsexual Conflicts and Sexual Reassignment …
            The 2011 study demonstrated that persons after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behavior, and psychiatric morbidity than …

            Gender Reassignment Surgery: Parents Sue Doctors For Making …
            Aug 13, 2015 … Two parents are suing doctors for assigning their intersex child a gender … are suing the doctors who gave their adopted son sex reassignment …

          • sangrita

            From the same article as your first one:

            Gender-reassignment surgery, which may include removing or creating
            penises, is only done by a handful of U.S. doctors, on patients at least
            18 years old.

          • The Last Trump

            Wow!
            THAT was quite a list.
            So much for your incorrect assumption that he was making things up, huh?
            No worries, Muffin.
            You should have discovered by now that Christians = Trustworthy.
            You know, what with all of that “Thou shalt not bear false witness” stuff…

          • sangrita

            One link was all it took to debunk his lie, Ham Sandwich. And it came from an article HE provided. Did you even read it?

          • The Last Trump

            Awww, now. Don’t be mad Muffin.
            You’re supposed to welcome learning and be receptive to actual facts within discussion.
            Nobody likes a sore loser who stubbornly refuses to concede a point. 🙁
            Be graceful in defeat and increase in knowledge.

          • sangrita

            So you DIDN’T read it, Ham Sandwich.
            You lose 🙂
            Oh, and stomping your feet won’t help.
            Gender reassignment surgery is not done before the age of 18. Too bad, you’ll have to find someone else to demonize.

          • Amos Moses

            Gender Reassignment Surgery: Parents Sue Doctors For Making …
            Aug 13, 2015

            “In a first of its kind lawsuit, Greenville, S.C., residents Pam and Mark Crawford are suing the doctors who gave their adopted son sex reassignment surgery while in foster care. MC, who had been deemed a female by doctors, had surgery at 16 months to “correct” his status as intersex (having both male and female genitalia), but is struggling with this assigned identity now at 10 years old. His parents are grieving that such a decision was made for him before he was able to make it himself.”

          • sangrita

            Intersex. Not the same thing. Nice try.

          • Amos Moses

            Intersex …… but still had reassignment surgery ……….. at 16 months ……….. and again you are proven a liar ……… you lie to yourself ……….

          • sangrita

            Intersex. But not transgendered. Let me guess, you think a 16-month old baby is a sinner.
            Who’s the liar? Give you a hint: Not me.

          • Amos Moses

            a child in the womb is a sinner ………. it was a sinner BEFORE it was in the womb ……

          • sangrita

            A child in the womb is a sinner?
            Good lord Amos, even for you that’s a bizarre thing to say.

          • Amos Moses

            “on patients at least 18 years old.”

            Great news, Oregon. 15 year olds can now get govt funded sex …

            Jul 9, 2015 … 15 year olds can now get govt funded sex change surgery without parental permission … the story of the 10 year old “transgender” boy whose parents had found a doctor … Hey, I didn’t make an issue out of transgender bathroom questions …. How long will it take before children start suing their parents (and …

          • sangrita

            Source please.

          • Amos Moses

            In Oregon, 15-Year-Olds Can Get Taxpayer-Funded Sex Changes …

            17 Jun 2015 … Patients as young as 15 do not need parental consent. … Subscribe Now … In Oregon, 15-Year-Olds Can Get Taxpayer-Funded Sex Changes Without …. On Monday, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee …

            Oregon Medicaid Paying for Sex Changes for 15-Yr-Olds – Breitbart

            10 Jul 2015 … Oregon Medicaid Now Paying for Sex Changes for 15-Yr-Olds … as young as 15 get a sex change operation without parental consent. … But as many critics note, there is a long list of things a 15-year-old can’t do in the Beaver State. … the Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders Work Group, told Fox News.

          • sangrita

            (sigh)

            Good old alarmist Breitbart and Fox News.

            http://www.snopes. com/oregon-teen-sex-change-law/

            “…publicized claims misled readers and viewers into thinking that a new guideline had approved “sex changes” for teenagers by conflating extant Oregon state policies that were largely unrelated.”

          • Amos Moses

            (sigh)

            cant refute the truth so attack the source of the truth ………. and then you use “snopes” as a source …….. snopes is not a news source ……. snopes is guy in his basement … he supports every sort of depravity and disinformation ………

            (SIGH)

          • Amos Moses

            (sigh)

            cant refute the truth so attack the source of the truth ………. and then you use “snopes” as a source …….. snopes is not a news source ……. snopes is guy in his basement … he supports every sort of depravity and disinformation ………

            (SIGH)

            Fact Check: Snopes Is Liberal As Hell | The Daily Caller
            17 Jun 2016 …Popular myth-busting website Snopes originally gained recognition for being the go-to site for disproving outlandish urban legends -such as the presence of UFOs in Haiti or the existence of human-animal hybrids in the Amazon jungle.

            Recently, however, the site has tried to pose as a political fact-checker. But Snopes’ “fact-checking” looks more like playing defense for prominent Democrats like Hillary Clinton and it’s political “fact-checker” describes herself as a liberal and has called Republicans “regressive” and afraid of “female agency.”

            Snopes’ main political fact-checker is a writer named Kim Lacapria. Before writing for Snopes, Lacapria wrote for Inquisitr, a blog that — oddly enough — is known for publishing fake quotes and even downright hoaxes as much as anything else.

          • sangrita

            Snopes is not a guy in his basement. It is a site that tells you whether a news story is true or if it’s garbage. I never claimed it was a news source. You yourself are taking your own sources from comically right wing sources.

          • Amos Moses

            “It is a site that tells you whether a news story is true or if it’s garbage.”

            No ……… and if you knew the truth ………. you would know that snopes IS GARBAGE ………

          • sangrita

            And of course your opinion is truth. As always.

          • Amos Moses

            Snopes: A Disinformation Operation – Awareness Act
            6 Jul 2016 … I have been referred to Snopes time and time again while researching topics, and it has become blatantly clear to me that much of the …

            Unethical Website Of The Month: Bye-Bye Snopes…You’re Dead To …
            31 Jul 2016 … Even one example of bias-fed misrepresentation ends any justifiable trust readers can have that the site is objective and trustworthy. Snopes’ …

          • sangrita

            Yes, there are lots of ultra-right wing sites that don’t like Snopes because it exposes hatred and bigotry. No surprise. Nothing to see here, move along folks.

          • Amos Moses

            No ……….. it is solely disinformation ……… and that you rely on it says more about you than snopes ……

          • sangrita

            You are free to try to prove it is “disinformation”, preferably using reliable sources. Otherwise all you have is an opinion.

          • Amos Moses

            Thats all you have …. your opinion ……….

          • sangrita

            And my opinion is that science knows, therefore I put my trust in science. Not in religion.

          • Amos Moses

            And my opinion is the CREATOR knows …… and knows even more than science …. that He also CREATED ……

          • sangrita

            You take that from an ancient holy text. Science gets new and better information all the time. Your source does not.

          • Amos Moses

            “Science gets new and better information all the time. ”

            From the CREATOR ……………

          • sangrita

            No, it doesn’t look to the Bible for answers.

          • Amos Moses

            it does not have to look at the bible ………. but the CREATOR exists even if you deny His existence ………… and you would not have any reliable science without the order He CREATED …………. science that He CREATED …………

          • sangrita

            Must it really be pointed out to you that there is no proof of God? If there were, there would be no atheists.
            What you have Amos is FAITH. Nothing wrong with that. Just call it what it is.

          • Amos Moses

            Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence ….. fail …. try again ……….. there is proof …. you reject the proof ……… your problem …… not mine ………

          • sangrita

            “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence”
            Absolutely correct. Too bad you’re completely misusing this truism.
            You can’t prove God, no one can. That’s why atheists exist. That’s why other faiths and religions with different gods exist.

          • Amos Moses

            God has proven Himself ……….. you deny the proof ………. you lie to yourself and suppress the truth in unrighteousness …………….. so not misused ………. and why your observations are in error …………

          • sangrita

            Substitute the word “nature” with the word “God” and you’ll instantly see why so many atheists would disagree with your statement. It’s because you have proven nothing. You’ve just taken what we know to exist and slapped the word “Goddidit” on it.

          • Amos Moses

            There is no substitute …………

          • sangrita

            You haven’t got proof. You have faith. There’s nothing wrong with that. Just call things by their proper definitions.

          • Amos Moses

            i have the eyewitness testimony of those there ……….. “Just call things by their proper definitions.” …. back at cha sport ……….

          • sangrita

            So why don’t you do that? Your faith isn’t truth, nor is it proof. It’s faith.

          • sangrita

            The Daily Caller article you posted was blasted hard by the main man at Snopes.

            Two days after the Peter Hasson article you posted appeared, Snopes founder David Mikkelson called out The Daily Caller.

            In a 2,600-word defense of LaCapria, Mikkelson derided Hasson (without naming him) for his “slanted and factually-challenged output debunked here at snopes.”

            “Instead of acknowledging and correcting his mistakes, he tried to deflect attention from them by attacking the person who had the temerity to point them out, our own Kim LaCapria,” Mikkelson said in a point-by-point critique.

            “In his rant, said writer … exhibited all the same flaws that have plagued his usual ‘reporting’ — misrepresenting source material, eliding or ignoring relevant information, selective quoting, cherry-picking, lack of context — right from the very outset.”

            Mikkelson said journalists have opinions but argued that they can still do their jobs of reporting accurately and fairly.

            “I realize this is quite possibly a novel idea to the Daily Caller writer, but here at snopes we employ fact-checkers and editors who review and amend (as necessary) everything we publish to ensure its fairness and accuracy rather than just allowing our writers to pass off biased, opinionated, slanted, skewed, and unethically partisan work as genuine news reporting.

            “Perhaps some Daily Caller writers could give that approach a try sometime.”

          • Amos Moses

            So no real rebuttal …. just Mikkelson saying “nuh-uh” ……… please …. been to snopes over the years …. they have gone from bad to worse to the point of being totally unreliable for anything but disinformation ………….

          • sangrita

            It was more than Mikkelson saying “nuh-uh”, it was Mikkelson exposing a huge lie. Read it again.

          • Amos Moses

            i did ………. it is all garbage ……….. and so is snopes ………

          • sangrita

            Your opinion, nothing more.

          • Amos Moses

            Baaack at cha again ……..

          • sangrita

            Nope. Not my opinion but science. I don’t let faith make life decisions when science already knows.

          • Amos Moses

            The CREATOR created science ……… and again you lie ………….

          • sangrita

            You ignore science and embrace bigotry. You think there are people out there “sexualizing” children.

          • Amos Moses

            No ………. that is your opinion of ……….. well what you believe ……. and they are out there sexualizing children ………

            Corey Feldman on Elijah Wood Hollywood Pedophilia Controversy …
            25 May 2016 … In an in-depth interview with THR, the ‘Goonies’ and ‘Lost Boys’ star opens up about his late best friend Corey Haim’s rape by a producer at …

            Elijah Wood Hollywood pedophile ring – Business Insider
            24 May 2016 … 1 problem in Hollywood was and is and always will be pedophilia,” he said. ” That’s the biggest problem for children in this industry … It’s the big …

            Elijah Wood Clarifies Comments on Hollywood Pedophilia – The …
            Elijah Wood Clarifies Comments on Hollywood Pedophilia. By DANIEL VICTOR MAY 24, 2016. Continue reading the main story Share This Page. Continue …

            Corey Feldman details horrors of Hollywood pedophile ring | Daily …
            26 May 2016 … ‘I was molested and passed around’: Corey Feldman describes his ordeal at the hands of Hollywood pedophile ring and says Corey Haim was …

            Pedophilia and Sexual Offending Against Children: Theory …
            APA –
            Pedophilia and Sexual Offending Against Children: Theory, Assessment, and Intervention. Pedophilia and … 750 First St. NE, Washington, DC 20002-4242.

            NY Times column says pedophiles deserve civil rights and should …
            21 Feb 2016 … When a pedophile acts on his interest — seems it’s usually a guy …. ‘bus loads’) groups of boys to Washington, D.C. for the inauguration parties …

            Flight logs show Bill Clinton flew on sex offender’s jet much more …
            13 May 2016 … … knew was a pedophile,” said Conchita Sarnoff, of the Washington, D.C. based non-profit Alliance to Rescue Victims of Trafficking, and author …

          • sangrita

            Are you ACTUALLY serious, these stories are real but they are examples of people high up in the entertainment industry exploiting young actors and hushing it all up. They aren’t examples of well-known mental health organizations doing it publicly.

            Also who cares what any NY Times columnist says, she’s not calling for the practice of child abuse to me made legal anyway is she? NO ONE is doing that. That’s the part that isn’t sinking into your skull.

          • Amos Moses

            Yep ……… the governments of the WORLD are all involved …………..

            White House Pedophile Ring Raped Boys Bush & Reagan 1989 …
            13 Oct 2015 … White House Pedophile Ring Raped Boys Bush & Reagan 1989 Tom …. Tom Brokaw, 1989 “White House Call Boy Scandal” Reagan/Bush …

            Royal family member was investigated as part of paedophile ring …
            23 Mar 2015 … A member of the Royal family was claimed to be part of a suspected paedophile ring under investigation by police in the late 1980s, a former …

            How BBC star Jimmy Savile allegedly got away with abusing 500 …
            27 Jun 2014 … Psychologists say his celebrity was pivotal to carrying out his alleged pedophilia.

            ‘Sir Edward Heath abused my 14yo friend,’ Jimmy Savile’s nephew …
            7 Aug 2015 … Disgraced DJ Jimmy Savile’s nephew alleges his friend was … Marsden was 13 when his uncle started taking him to ‘pedophile parties’ in …

            England: Land of Royals, Tea and Horrific Pedophilia Coverups |
            TIME
            10 Jul 2014 … As Scotland Yard triples the number of officers on high-profile child abuse cases, the UK struggles to find faith in its politicians.

            Massive pedophile ring busted; 230 kids saved – US news – Crime …
            NBC News
            An Internet pedophile ring with up to 70000 members — thought to be the world’s … Police (right), Peter Davis (center) of the U.K.’s Child Exploitation and Online …

            How Thatcher’s Government Covered Up a VIP Pedophile Ring …
            5 Mar 2015 … How Thatcher’s Government Covered Up a VIP Pedophile Ring … and 30 high- profile figures from the Church of England, private schools, and …

            Britain’s worst paedophile Richard Huckle blames sex abuse of …
            3 Jun 2016 … How police tracked down prolific paedophile Richard Huckle …. Severe weather warning issued for UK as 1,500 mile-wide Atlantic storm …

          • sangrita

            You are in such crazed conspiracy theory territory that I can no longer take you seriously. Bye.

          • Amos Moses

            Time magazine and NBC news are now “conspiracy sources” ………….. wow ………. but you believe “snopes” …………….. what a disconnect from REALITY …………

          • sangrita

            Yeah, get real, a bunch of celebrity gossip? And the ones relating to government are 100% conspiracy theory. “Oh, but it’s Time magazine!” Yeah, it’s Time magazine reporting on some bit of tabloid gossip, I thought you were going to bring real proof of worldwide governments trying to endorse pedophilia! And you haven’t!

          • Amos Moses

            and you read the articles ………… no you did not …….. you are again just spouting “snopes” nonsense ………. you have no real world information ……….

          • sangrita

            Why would I read a completely irrelevant article on Jimmy Saville? It has nothing to do with what we are talking about. You go so completely off topic with your ridiculous links and then call me a liar. And this has nothing to do with Snopes either.

          • Amos Moses

            Riiiiiiiiight …….. go back to “snopes” …………

          • sangrita

            When I want some fundamentalist crap debunked, I will. Now see if you can stay on topic for once.

          • Amos Moses

            Go back to “snopes” ……….. it is a delusional worldview ………. and you are welcome to it …….. bye, bye …… see ya, would not want to be ya …………

          • sangrita

            No, Snopes is not a “worldview” at all. It is s site that debunks myths. You continue to baffle with your misinformation.

          • Amos Moses

            We all use a worldview ……….. and so does “snopes” …………

          • sangrita

            No. Snopes is not a worldview, it is a website. Which specifically deals with hoaxes.

          • Amos Moses

            It deals with hoaxes through the lens of its worldview…..

          • sangrita

            In that case, its worldview is truth. That’s what they’re about – exposing lies.

          • Amos Moses

            No ……. they have no truth ……….. they would have to know the Truth ….. and it is clear they do not …. the Truth is a person ………… not a what but a who ……..

          • sangrita

            They have the truth.
            They INVESTIGATE the truth.
            The “Truth” as you refer to it (God) is not relevant to what they do. At all.

          • Amos Moses

            “The “Truth” as you refer to it (God) is not relevant to what they do. At all.”

            which is why they have no truth ……….. just continuous liberal nonsense with a veneer they call “truth” ………. a pretend truth ….. and it is all garbage ….. thank you for pointing out their error …………..

          • sangrita

            You make it sound like the answer to everything is God. It’s not. 2 + 2 doesn’t equal God. God is irrelevant to people looking to expose hoaxes.

          • Amos Moses

            And they fail if they do not know the Truth ………

            John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the Truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

          • sangrita

            Irrelevant.

          • Amos Moses

            my ……. what an assertive opinion ……… and wrong ………… fail …….. try again ……

          • sangrita

            Nope. It’s IRRELEVANT. And whatever Bible quotes you want to throw at me don’t change the fact that the answer to everything is not God.

          • Amos Moses

            and again you are in error …………

          • sangrita

            And again you provide only your opinion and not a lick of proof.

          • Amos Moses

            neither do you ……..

          • sangrita

            I provide lots of proof. It’s not my fault you choose to disregard it.

          • Amos Moses

            i disregard it because it is a lie ……….. your ” proof” ……… is not …… it is the product of a darkened heart ……….

          • sangrita

            It isn’t a lie, you just don’t like it. Proof is proof and it doesn’t care whether you like it or not.

          • Amos Moses

            Snopes Caught Lying For Hillary Again, Questions Raised

            Snopes has been caught lying again, proving that it has a political and partisan agenda and that it is willing to mislead and deceive its readers in order to advance the cause of Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party establishment.

            Earlier this year Correct the Record, a pro-Clinton Super PAC, admitted they are spending millions of dollars to employ an army of trolls to “correct” and “push back” against internet users who criticize Clinton.

            Correct The Record’s “Barrier Breakers” project admitted in a press release that it pays people to pretend to be Clinton supporters, and claims that thousands of unsuspecting social media users have already been “addressed” by the PAC’s mercenary social media warriors – with the promise that many more will be “corrected” in the near future.

            Given that Snopes entered the political fact checking game around the same time, and has rapidly developed an appetite for politcal fact checking – most of which displays a clear Clinton bias – it is legitimate to ask if Snopes are also on the Correct The Record payroll.

          • Amos Moses

            Ethics Alarms reports:

            Ethics Alarms has been tracking the increasing political bias exhibited by Snopes, once the definitive “Urban Legends” web source to identify false stories on the internet, e-mail hoaxes and other pollution of public information.

            The website has made the disastrous decision to wade into political topics and to hire some new social justice warriors and wanna-be Democratic Party operatives to cover them, resulting in the site becoming a bad imitation of PolitiFact.

            The disturbing trend really established itself this month, but it was in evidence earlier. For example, Snopes rushed to defend Hillary Clinton when the story of her defense of a child rapist was used to smear her. (Ethics Alarms explained, correctly, unlike Snopes, what was unethical about the attacks on Clinton—all defendants deserve a zealous defense, no matter what the charge, and a lawyer isn’t endorsing or supporting a client’s crimes by doing her professional duty.)

          • Amos Moses

            Notice that the TRUE and FALSE sections don’t match the claim. That’s because Snopes is playing the logical fallacy game of moving the goalposts and using straw men. The claim, as stated by Snopes, is 100% true.

            Clinton did successfully defend her client; very successfully, in fact. Getting a beneficial plea bargain that is the best outcome a client can hope for is a successful defense. LaCapria is displaying her ignorance. Acquittal isn’t the only successful defense outcome.

            Clinton also laughed about the case. What would you call this? (from FactCheck;org)

            In 2014, the Washington Free Beacon published the audio of an interview that Arkansas reporter Roy Reed conducted with Clinton in the 1980s. In the interview, Clinton recalls some unusual details of the rape case, and she can be heard laughing in three instances, beginning with a joke she makes about the accuracy of polygraphs.

            Clinton: Of course he claimed he didn’t. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs. [laughs]

            At another point, Clinton said the prosecutor balked at turning over evidence, forcing her to go to the judge to obtain it.

            Clinton: So I got an order to see the evidence and the prosecutor didn’t want me to see the evidence. I had to go to Maupin Cummings and convince Maupin that yes indeed I had a right to see the evidence [laughs] before it was presented.

            Clinton then said that the evidence she obtained was a pair of the accused’s underwear with a hole in it. Clinton told Reed that investigators had cut out a piece of the underwear and sent the sample to a crime lab to be tested, and the only evidence that remained was the underwear with a hole in it.

            Clinton took the remaining evidence to a forensic expert in Brooklyn, New York, and the expert told her that the material on the underwear wasn’t enough to test. “He said, you know, ‘You can’t prove anything,’” Clinton recalled the expert telling her.

            Clinton:I wrote all that stuff and I handed it to Mahlon Gibson, and I said, “Well this guy’s ready to come up from New York to prevent this miscarriage of justice.” [laughs]

            That is certainly laughing about the case. Then Snopes tries equivocation, saying that Clinton didn’t laugh about the outcome of the case. I see: she laughed (three times!) while talking about the case, but wasn’t laughing about the case’s outcome, just…the case.

          • sangrita

            That’s from YourNewsWire which is another satire site.

          • Amos Moses

            Yeah sure ….. in your opinion …… then “snopes” is satire ……. just really poor satire …

          • sangrita

            Do you not realize you’re cutting and pasting from satirical websites?
            It’s pretty sad I think if you’re not being the slightest bit discerning in your source material.

          • Amos Moses

            Welll …….. IMHO ………. that is all you deserve …………

          • sangrita

            You are either a conspiracy theorist or a troll, based on your quoting satirical websites I am now suspecting the latter.

          • Amos Moses

            i am here every day, a christian on a christian site and you are a nonbelieving interloper……. but i am the troll …… again. …….. satire is all you deserve…… ROTFL

          • sangrita

            You seem to feel that being an evangelical Christian makes you infallible. It doesn’t. And of course you don’t like having people like me around to point that out.

          • Amos Moses

            You seem to think you are not a troll and that your disbelief in God makes you invincible …………. It does not and i don’t care one wit if you stay or go ……….. you will still be wrong ……

          • sangrita

            I’m not quoting from extreme right wing websites and satirical ones therefore I am not a troll. It’s you doing that. That’s how logic works. You should try it sometime rather than knee-jerk respond “you’re wrong” every time when you know I’m not wrong.

          • Amos Moses

            “I’m not quoting from extreme right wing websites and satirical ones therefore I am not a troll. ”

            No ……. you quote from extreme left wing websites and “snopes” and therefore you are a troll ……….. and if you are wrong ………. you are wrong and saying it is not a vice ….. it is telling you the truth ………..

            YOU ARE WRONG …………..

          • sangrita

            I don’t quote from biased sources, period. I quote verifiable facts. Snopes is not a left-wing website, and you are completely and very demonstrably wrong. Fail, Amos. So very, very much fail.

          • Amos Moses

            all your sources are biased ………. thats why you quote them ….. they agree with you …… ROTFL AGAIN …………..

          • sangrita

            Amos, I have quoted the DICTIONARY to you and you have called me biased. You are simply not grounded in reality. Fail.

          • Amos Moses

            Sure ………..

      • Amos Moses

        Child Bride Legally Married Under Sharia Law, German Judge Rules
        Jun 11, 2016 … A German court has recognised the marriage of a 14-year-old girl to her 20-year- old cousin, despite the legal age in Germany being 16.

        Report: More Than 1,000 Known Child Marriages in Germany
        1 day ago … German authorities are reportedly “sounding the alarm” over a sharp … In February, Breitbart London reported that dozens of child brides had …

        Germany mulls stricter child marriage laws – The Local
        Jun 13, 2016 … With hundreds of cases of child brides reportedly coming to Germany among recently arrived refugees, German politicians are considering …

        Coming soon to a neighborhood near you ……… and maybe your daughter ………..

  • SFBruce

    The American Academy of Pediatricians, on older professional organization with about 60,000 members, takes a completely different view on transgender individuals. Their website refers to a recent study, “Mental Health of Transgender Children Who are Supported in Their Identities,” which found that transgender preadolescents who are supported by their families, and are permitted to begin transitioning, have better mental health outcomes than those who don’t have that support.

  • sangrita

    From Wikipedia:

    “The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a small, socially conservative advocacy group of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals in the United States.

    The group was founded in 2002 by a group of pediatricians, including Joseph Zanga, a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), as a protest against the AAP’s support for adoption by gay couples. The group’s membership has been estimated at between 60 and 200 members, in contrast to the AAP’s over 60,000 members.”

    • Amos Moses

      So What? ……………..

      • Jalapeno

        So it speaks to their trustworthiness as an organization.

        • Amos Moses

          It speaks to the sexualization of children and pedophilia ………..

          • Jalapeno

            How so?

          • Amos Moses

            You are here arguing that children should be “diagnosed” with such a disease …….. and that is the sexualization of children ……. pedophilia is the next stop …………

          • Jalapeno

            Okay. Got it. You don’t know the difference between gender identity and sexual attraction. Oh well.

        • uninvitedguest

          absolutely

      • sangrita

        Some scientists have voiced concerns that ACPeds mischaracterized or misused their work to advance its political agenda. Gary Remafedi, a pediatrician at the University of Minnesota, wrote ACPeds a public letter accusing them of fundamentally mischaracterizing his research in their publications to argue that schools should deny support to gay teenagers. Francis Collins, a geneticist and director of the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH), issued a statement through the NIH accusing the ACPeds of
        misleading children and parents on its Facts About Youth website. Warren Throckmorton,a therapist who specializes in sexual orientation issues, similarly stated that his research had been misused, saying of ACPeds: “They say they’re impartial and not motivated by political or religious concerns, but if you look at who they’re affiliated with and how they’re using the research, that’s just obviously not true.”

        In an amicus brief regarding the removal of a child from the foster home of a same sex couple (Kutil and Hess v West Virginia) the National Association of Social Workers (NASW) described ACPeds as a “small and marginal group” which was “out of step with the research-based position of the AAP and other medical and child welfare authorities.” The LGBT advocacy organization, PFLAG, categorizes the ACPeds as an anti-equality organization, describing the group as a “small splinter group of medical professionals who do not support the mainstream view of the American Academy of Pediatricians (AAP) that homosexuality is a normal aspect of human diversity.” The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has said that ACPeds is a “hate group” that closely collaborates with the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), and described ACPeds as a “fringe group” with “a history of propagating damaging falsehoods about LGBT people, including linking homosexuality to pedophilia”. In response to an ACPeds brief, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) wrote that ACPeds is a fringe group that has acted to promote “unscientific and harmful ‘reparative therapies’ for LGBTQ students.

        • Amos Moses

          “Some scientists have voiced concerns that ACPeds mischaracterized or misused their work to advance its political agenda.”

          And the alphabet deviants do not? ……… laughing leads to tears ………..

          • sangrita

            That depends what (on earth) an “alphabet deviant” is…

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I’m guessing he means LGBT, probably with a few extra letters thrown in randomly to belittle them just that little extra bit more.

          • The Last Trump

            Not very many extra letters though, that’s for sure! There’s not many left!
            Seriously, how many letters are they actually up to now? Seven? Ten?
            And did you hear just how many genders liberal extremists now believe actually exist? Wait for it, wait for it…..
            OVER 50! Genders!!?? And it’s STILL climbing!
            No, Amos hasn’t said a thing to belittle these clearly very confused and bewildered science denying social anarchists.
            They’re very own utterly ridiculous words and actions speak volumes.

          • sangrita

            Source please.

            I searched online for your claim and all it came back with was Facebook. Something to do with 51 gender options. Means nothing. On Facebook you can be who or whatever you want to be.
            “Liberal extremist” is a contradiction in terms by the way.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Well, you have to remember, Last Trump and people like him probably think of anyone to the left of, say, the Constitution Party as “liberal extremists.”

          • sangrita

            I guess it DOES look extreme to him when he’s so extreme in the other direction. It’s all perspective.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Speaking of Last Trump, looks like he’s gone again….

          • sangrita

            As I just told him on Live Action News. I’m sure he’s apoplectic with rage.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            The longest of the abbreviations I’ve seen (with any kind of frequency whatsoever, that is) is LGBTQIA. Seven letters, that’s not really too much to handle, is it?

          • sangrita

            While I’m right on board with their rights, I do think the Q is superfluous (some people even find it insulting). I usually stop after the T.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Yeah, me too. I even saw “LGBTTIQQ2S” once. Maybe, just maybe, that’s a little too much.

          • Amos Moses

            Please …… you dont stop for anything ……….

          • sangrita

            Well, I’m not going to tell people who feel they’re trapped in the wrong body that they’re deviants and perverts. Jesus wouldn’t do that either.

          • Amos Moses

            Jesus DID …………..

          • sangrita

            He DID?
            Chapter and verse please?

          • Amos Moses

            He told numerous people they were sinners ……… of all sorts of sins …. and then told them to go and SIN NO MORE ……… and scripture details what SIN is ……………. do you need an exhaustive list ………

          • sangrita

            If the Bible is to be believed, yes He did.
            However, this is YOU deciding transgendered people are sinners. Not Jesus. You are not God.

          • Amos Moses

            “However, this is YOU deciding transgendered people are sinners.”

            No ……… they are sinners because Christ has determined it ……..

            “You are not God.”

            Neither are you ……..

          • sangrita

            If Christ didn’t use the word transgender in the Bible, and I think you know he didn’t, then you are forced to admit you are a liar.

          • Amos Moses

            The bible does not use the words garage door opener ……….. SO WHAT …… and you are STILL a liar …….. Christ did not use the word sangrita in the bible ……….. and i think you know he did not ………….. so i guess you do not exist either ………. and you are a liar again ……

          • sangrita

            You are being disingenuous now.
            You come here calling transgenders sinners and the concept doesn’t even exist in the Bible and you’re saying the Bible says it. Chapter and verse please, or admit you’re a liar. It is really as simple as that.

          • Amos Moses

            LGBTQQIP2SAA ……….. more in the coming attractions …… pun intended ….

          • Amos Moses

            Wow ……… how perceptive of you …….. they “belittle” themselves ……..

          • Amos Moses

            LGBLTQRSTUVWXYZ …… oh, etc ……………………….

        • Heidi Kersbergen

          So… if majority decides gravity is not real, it’s not real? Even if just one person stated truth it stays truth whatever the whole rest would say or think of it. God saved Lot from Sodom and Gomorra for that reason, all the rest was corrupt yet thinking they where right.

    • uninvitedguest

      bigots in white coats

    • The Last Trump

      From Wikipedia:
      “Gender. There are only 2 genders. Male and Female”
      The end.
      There’s just no arguing with science bud.

      • sangrita

        Yep.
        And sometimes two at the same time – one on the inside and one on the outside.
        Gender Dysphoria. So real all the doctors are talking about it.
        What were you saying about science?
        The end.

        • D Sims

          There were many times I had a wife on the outside and many wives on the inside. It is called adultery. The bottom line is this, whether gender dysphoria or adultery I have seen both come to faith in Christ and their affections change, their heart changes and thus the man changed.

          • sangrita

            Apples to oranges, and getting religion doesn’t cure gender dysphoria just as it doesn’t “cure” homosexuality.

          • D Sims

            I invite you to come and sit in the middle of a circle of hundreds of men and women that would prove you wrong. I work in the inner city and in the front lines of this human mess for over a decade and there is nothing that you can name that I have not seen or dealt with. From Gay, bi, A-sexual, adultery, Zoophilia, incest, addictions of every kind and flavor, murder, rape, you name it, I deal with it. I would love for you to meet those that came not to a religion, but an authentic relationship with their Creator through Christ and I will let you tell them that they are all deceived and lying and explain how your psychiatric friends who live in luxury actually are the author and finisher of truth.

          • sangrita

            You’re wasting your time with me. I do social work and deal with inner city people too. I am siding with science.
            We don’t change our sexuality, that is impossible, and getting homosexuals to stop having sex is not a measure of success. In fact it’s cruel and unrealistic.
            Your issue isn’t with me. Your issue is with science.

          • D Sims

            I thought we were in a discussion. This is not my first rodeo. We both know it would be a waste of time for you to get me to serve and follow science and for you to follow Christ.
            You are correct, we do not change anything. He does. Believe it or not, all things are possible with God. I am living proof.

          • Sherri

            So am I d.sims! I’m living proof!

          • sangrita

            How can we have a discussion when you place your faith (what you believe to be true) ahead of science (which we KNOW to be true)?

          • Heidi Kersbergen

            Science is human too, it changes a lot! God never changes, and He is above science for He invented real science, He made everything that is.

          • D Sims

            I checked again and the name of this site is called, “Christian” News.

          • sangrita

            Why do you think being a Christian means you have to be anti-science?

          • D Sims

            I am not in any way or shape anti-science. For me science only confirms that there is something greater than ourselves. For others, it is used to discredit this view. Science can be fun to explore but like most everything else mankind has turned it into another platform for their own self absorbed purposes.

          • sangrita

            Well, the ideas science has regarding gender dysphoria are certainly not along the line of calling them perverts and telling them to repent of their sins.

          • D Sims

            How in the world did you get out of all our conversations that I call them perverts and tell them to repent of their sins? To work among these issues and other issues for over 13 years and have seen hundreds turn their lives around and find a freedom from being enslaved to their desires you have to have a lot of mercy and grace. These people are now living out productive and positive lives and demonstrating the same love and grace to others around them. You might find out what freedom and life truly is if you would just stop being bound by the law of science and start following the law of liberty found in Jesus Christ.

            Listen, you have a great day and many blessings. At this point in time you do not have ears to hear.

          • Heidi Kersbergen

            Science doesn’t back up change off sex to be the answer. You are a dreamer.

      • TheKingOfRhye

        A little tip for you: Don’t lie about what a wikipedia article says. People can check it pretty quickly.

        • sangrita

          I don’t think it’s got anything to do with being right, with them. It’s about appearing smug.

    • Heidi Kersbergen

      So? Can a small group not be scientific correct?

    • frog

      When I was reading this, first thing I thought was “the comments section is going to be cancer”.

      Never read the comments.

      • sangrita

        Too late!

  • D Sims

    All the various organizations including AAP and APA were at one time against any sexual orientation or gender identity. As with all of societies issues they have evolved based on what the current culture accepts. As the culture accepts any issue so goes society. As generations go by other sexual preferences will be accepted and legalized as the culture changes.

    • Amos Moses

      Including pedophilia ………….

      • sangrita

        No, no medical organization is looking to legitimize pedophilia and make it legal.

        • Amos Moses

          It is soften attitudes to make it possible ……….. you are already soft ………

          • sangrita

            No, quite impossible, pedophilia will always be seen as an act of abuse in North America as a child cannot consent. That’s open and shut Amos, you should accept that. Any movement to legitimize pedophilia would be stamped out be practically everybody.

          • Amos Moses

            Used to say that about homosexuality and marriage …………

            “Any movement to legitimize pedophilia would be stamped out be practically everybody.”

            Except then you are a bigot ……… and intolerant …… and since you say you are neither ………. you are also a liar …………

          • sangrita

            “Used to say that about homosexuality and marriage …………”

            Yep, and that was wrong too.

            “Except then you are a bigot ……… and intolerant …… and since you say you are neither ………. you are also a liar …………”

            No, because protecting children from sexual abuse is the law, and morally the only course of action. And you know this.

          • Amos Moses

            But …. and here is the rub ……… you have no track record to make that stick ……… and you will be called a bigot and intolerant …….. as you do now to others …….. and you are still a liar …

          • sangrita

            Haven’t lied once.

            Protecting children from sexual abuse is what a good person does, Amos. No one gives in to pedophiles. No one.

          • Amos Moses

            “Protecting children from sexual abuse is what a good person does”

            and there are no “good persons” ……….. so much for that idea ……….

            “No one gives in to pedophiles. No one.”

            You do ………. NOW …….. you do oppose this “gender dysphoria, wrong body” nonsense ….. you are assisting pedophiles as we talk ………. and you have absolutely no track record of stopping depravity ………..

          • sangrita

            If I don’t think people who have gender dysphoria are doing anything wrong, PLEASE tell me how this is “assisting pedophiles”. You’re going off the deep end, Amos.

          • Amos Moses

            No …. you are the one defend pedophilia by defending this action …. and by your standard …. you are a bigot and intolerant if you do not defend pedophiles and other sexual deviants ………………

          • sangrita

            I challenge you to point out one single thing I have said in favor of pedophilia. I haven’t. And you have.

            You state that we are intolerant and bigoted if we come down on the pedophile. I say no, we are protecting the child from abuse. You say no, we are being intolerant against the pedophile. And we go in circles because you refuse to see it from the view of protecting the child. And in fact there is nobody out there who would allow this to knowingly happen to a child and you’re making the bizarre claim that people are. I just don’t know why anyone bothers talking to you, Amos. Including myself.

          • Amos Moses

            You defend the sexualization of children by saying they can have “gender dysphoria ” …. that alone is defending pedophilia ……. it is the sexualization of children …….. “Protecting children from sexual abuse is what a good person does” ….. and you do not by supporting the idea of “gender dysphoria” …..

          • sangrita

            I understand your comprehension problem now. You think that gender dysphoria relates to sexuality or sexual behavior. It doesn’t. It refers to what sex a child identifies with. You have to be male or female but that doesn’t make you sexually active.

          • Amos Moses

            No …….. imposing “gender dysphoria” is the sexualization of children and paves the way for pedophilia …… which is what you are doing ………

            “It refers to what sex a child identifies with.”

            sex is not “an identity” that is “identified ………… GARBAGE ……….

          • sangrita

            You know that is an utterly insane thing to say, right?
            If a child at a young age is born male but identifies as female, what do you propose be done? Tell a young child they are demon-possessed? Tell them they are sinning?
            I don’t propose surgery, if that’s what you’re thinking, but I DO propose counselling. How does that make me supportive of pedophilia???

          • Amos Moses

            “If a child at a young age is born male but identifies as female” “You know that is an utterly insane thing to say, right? ”

            You seem to have your sentences in the wrong order ….. i have tried to fix it for you …… explain ….. HOW does a CHILD have ANY idea what it “FEELS” like to “identify” as the opposite sex …… WHEN THEY ARE NOT THE OPPOSITE SEX ………… THAT IS INSANITY …………..

          • sangrita

            Well, you should read the news more often, Wikipedia has a whole entry on gender dysphoria in children. You can’t just bury your head in the sand and pretend it doesn’t exist.

          • Amos Moses

            Because Wikipedia is accurate ……… NOT ……….. all you do is pretend that what you say is the truth ……….. and you cannot back it up with LEGITIMATE science ………

          • sangrita

            Wikipedia is fine and it’s balanced, and whatever people disagree on is discussed in a “talk” tab on EVERY SINGLE Wikipedia page. And guess what, Wikipedia isn’t anti-science, either.

          • Amos Moses

            No …………. it is not balanced ……… and its “science” is as questionable as the people who edit it ……

          • sangrita

            Just your opinion.

          • Amos Moses

            Baack at cha ……….

          • sangrita

            Nope. Science. As opposed to faith.

          • Amos Moses

            Nope …. The CREATOR of science …….. as opposed to pseudo-science made up by corrupt men ……….

          • sangrita

            It isn’t pseudo-science if it’s embraced by the scientific community. Which it is in this case, and which is why you lose.

          • Amos Moses

            “It isn’t pseudo-science if it’s embraced by the scientific community”

            It is if it is not in line with scripture and the CREATOR ………..

          • sangrita

            Who never mentioned gender dysphoria. You’re welcome to tell me the chapter and verse where He did.

          • Amos Moses

            “Who never mentioned gender dysphoria. ”

            Right ………. you are exactly right ………… so it is not science ….. and it is a lie ……..

            It Is ………………… SIN ……………….

          • ShemSilber

            To begin with, Elohim made them male and female. He assigned gender to those whom He formed from the dust of the earth, and He assigns gender to us at conception. If we have a problem with the assignment, it is still impossible to change it. It is through every cell in the body, and one can mangle it, and one can even go through expert surgeries, but one can never change what gender one was born with, but only accomplish a lie and deception. What about those who “identify” as dogs? Do the really become dogs, or is it just a stupid, silly LIE?

            There are a few places that Almighty Yahuwah gave instruction in this matter. In Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, He mentions that men who lie with man as with a woman are committing an abomination; they qualify for the death penalty. Also in 1Corinthians 6:9-11, the Apostle Paul list a few sins that, unrepented of, will keep a person out of Yahuwah’s Kingdom, which means one does not gain everlasting life but suffers the second death. Among these are effeminacy and homosexuality, both of which are gender dysphoria.

            Those who take on this gender dysphoria place themselves as more intelligent that the Creator, our Master Yahushua. The extreme cases even take to malingering, rebelling against the Creator by refusing to fulfill the responsibilities of their assigned gender. They choose rather to die the second death rather than to humble themselves by repentance before the Master Yahushua to accept the gift He is zealous to give us, His creation, everlasting life. That’s why He made us, and if we will not fulfill the purpose, then by default we remain mortal and die the second death.

            Blessed be Almighty Yahuwah our Maker, and blessed are we if we fulfill His purpose for us, in the Name of our Master Yahushua, omein.

          • sangrita

            Your master Yehushua didn’t say anything about gender dysphoria. Which is fine, because the medical world has plenty to say about it.

          • ShemSilber

            Never mind, sangrita, because you don’t believe the Word anyway, and even if the truth hit you in the face you would deny it. Go on wearing your blinders until the Master Himself wakes you up. Then, when the Master finally WISES YOU UP, you will do the very same thing that many, including myself, have done, namely, remember how stupid you USED to be, in Yahushua’s Name, omein.

    • sangrita

      And then a magical thing happened. They got newer and better data and better methodology.
      They didn’t evolve based on culture, they did it based on scientific data. That’s how science works. It doesn’t care about accepted culture.

      • uninvitedguest

        they want nothing to do with research and facts

      • D Sims

        Science in and of itself is an effort of a dying species to understand things that are well above their pay grade. Though we may “actually” have figured out a few simple elements of life by and large we understand much of nothing. Even honest physics admit they only understand around 3-4 percent of the universe and even that is their own opinion.
        We are good at inventing machines that tell us what we hope to see and teach in Universities the multitude of varying opinions of men, give them a piece of paper and call them professionals. We are truly a self absorbed species that believe that we are getting smarter while the Creator whose image we are made after and whose image we mock and defile with our pride and arrogance is laughing, shaking His head and yet still is calling man to lay down his self absorbed life and follow Him the author of Life.

        You are right on one thing….mankind is magical, he is his own delusion.

        • HelenaConstantine

          “We are good at inventing machines that tell us what we hope to see and teach in Universities the multitude of varying opinions of men, give them a piece of paper and call them professionals.”

          This is like a Palin sentence. The way it’s constructed, “machines” is the subject of all the subordinate clauses. Let’s spell that out:

          “machines … teach in Universities”

          “machines … give [men] a piece of paper”

          I think the sentence he meant would be something like this:

          “We are good at inventing machines that show us what we want to see, and we are good at teaching men human opinions in Universities and then we call them professionals”

          In order to complete the thought, he would have needed a second sentence–“But we ignore the teaching of god”–but he doesn’t come even close to that.

          • D Sims

            Thank you, I receive your wise correction. Forgive me, I barely graduated High School.

    • HelenaConstantine

      “All the various organizations including AAP and APA were at one time against any sexual orientation or gender identity.”

      Really? when were the APA and AAP against heterosexuality?

      • D Sims

        Heterosexuality is a part of the original creation. I was addressing the article and those commenting concerning the practices of men outside of the original design and intent of male and female.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Secular Western culture lacks real parents; that’s why they experiment on healthy children by imposing abnormality upon them. The West needs Christianity for salvation and sanity and morality. May Jesus come back quickly.

  • axelbeingcivil

    Organization designed for sole purpose of deceptive evangelism continues doing what it was made for. In other news, birds fly, fish swim, sky still blue.

  • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

    The normal majority don’t struggle at all.

  • Sporkfighter

    The American College of Pediatricians is trading on the public confusing their very small socially conservative organization with the much larger scientific body known as the American Academy of Pediatrics.