‘Pope Francis’ Claims Mary Was ‘Assumed Into Heaven Body and Soul’ on Feast of Assumption

Pope_FrancisROME — Jorge Bergoglio, also known as “Pope Francis,” asked for Mary to intercede for the oppressed on Monday and claimed to the thousands gathered to observe what is known as the Roman Catholic “Feast of the Assumption” that she had been “assumed into Heaven body and soul.”

“To the Queen of Peace, who we contemplate today in heavenly glory, I wish to entrust once again the anxieties and sufferings of the people who, in many parts of the world, are innocent victims of persistent conflict,” he said.

The Feast of the Assumption marks the Roman Catholic belief that Mary ascended into Heaven and did not suffer a physical death, although as the outlet American Catholic notes, “Scripture does not give an account of Mary’s assumption into heaven.”

The dogma was made an official Catholic doctrine by Pius XII, who wrote in 1950, “We pronounce, declare and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma that the immaculate mother of God, the ever virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul to heavenly glory.”

Bergoglio echoed this belief on Monday as he read what is known as the Magnificat and led those gathered in a recitation of the Angelus Domini.

“She was the first to believe in the Son of God and is the first to have been assumed into Heaven body and soul,” he said.

Bergoglio stated that Mary was the first to have held the Son of God in her arms “and is the first to have been welcomed by his arms to be introduced into the eternal kingdom of the Father.”

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“Mary, a humble and simple girl from a remote village in the outskirts of the empire, because she welcomed and lived the gospel, was permitted by God to stand next to the throne of the Son for all eternity,” Bergoglio stated.

However, Mike Gendron of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries in Plano, Texas told Christian News Network that this assertion is unbiblical.

“The dogma that celebrates the assumption of Mary’s body into Heaven is closely tied to another Catholic dogma, which is, the immaculate conception of Mary,” he explained. “In 1854, Pope Pius IX declared Mary was conceived free from original sin and she remained free of every personal sin throughout her entire life (Catechism of the Catholic Church, para 491, 493).”

“After the pronouncement, some Catholics began asking a question that the church could not answer. ‘Since Mary never sinned, and sin is what causes death and the body to decay, where is Mary and what happened to her body?’ Gendron continued. “Thus the heresy that declared Mary’s sinlessness led to another heresy. In 1950, Pope Pius XII declared Mary’s body was miraculously assumed into Heaven.”

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He said that Roman Catholics acknowledge that Mary’s ascension is not found in the Scriptures, but is rather only a tradition based on assumption.

“Their only basis for believing Mary’s body was miraculously assumed into Heaven is that their ‘infallible’ Church has declared it,” Gendron stated.

But, “Two thousand years ago the Pharisees nullified the word of God with their ungodly traditions and were soundly rebuked and called hypocrites by the Lord Jesus (Mark 7:6-14). Catholic bishops have made the same fatal error by rejecting and opposing God’s word,” he said.

He noted that the Bible clearly states that all have sinned—including Mary, who Catholics declare to be immaculate and therefore received into Heaven bodily.

“In Romans 3:10-12, 23, we read, ‘None is righteous, no, not one…All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one … all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.’ Mary is included in the ‘all,’ the ‘none’ and the ‘no one,'” Gendron said. “Instead of celebrating the assumption of Mary, Catholics would be wise to study the Scriptures so they can know the truth, which will set them free from religious bondage and deception (John 8:31-32).”


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  • Amos Moses

    Good job pastor Gendron ………..

  • GodsGadfly

    “Read Scripture instead of celebrating Mary”?
    We celebrate by reading Scripture! That’s the whole *point* of the Bible–the books that are read in the Liturgy.
    Jesus commanded us to Honor His Mother as Our own from the Cross (John 19:26-27).
    “Eye has not seen, ear has not heard what God has prepared for those who love Him” (1 Cor 2:9). “For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol, nor let your devout one see the pit.*” (Psalm 16:10) Who was more devout than His mother, who was full of grace (Luke 1:28) and heard the word of God and kept it (Luke 1:45;11:48)?
    Enoch and Elijah were assumed body and soul into Heaven. Indeed, St. John tells us in Revelation 11:19-12:1 that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant, in God’s temple in Heaven.
    The Dormition and Assumption of the God-bearer was accepted by all Christians, including the original Protestant heretics Luther and Calvin, until the rise of Evangelicalism a few hundred years ago. It is historically attested by first and second century sources. When the Church defines a dogma, whether by Council or by the few times a Pope has done it ex Cathedra, the point is to define a disputed question that has long been part of the Church’s teaching.
    In this case, few had doubted that Mary was taken body and soul into Heaven until recent centuries, and in the post-World War II era, when racism was still violently dividing the world, and sexual license was on the increase along with the Culture of Death, Pius XII drew attention to an age old Christian teaching that had fallen into doubt and emphasizes the resurrection of the body for which we hope.

    • Mart1963

      The Woman of 12:1 is Israel and not Mary and the Son is the 144000 sealed males of Israel who are snatched/raptured to Heaven.

      Revelation 12 (NIV) 1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

      The 12 stars represent the 12 Tribes of Israel (Joseph is the 12th star) and the sun and the moon represent Joseph’s Father and Mother.

      Genesis 37:9-10New International Version (NIV)
      9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” 10 When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?”

      The Woman represents Israel.

      Isaiah 54:5-6New International Version (NIV)
      5 For your Maker is your husband—
      the Lord Almighty is his name—
      the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer;
      he is called the God of all the earth.
      6 The Lord will call you back
      as if you were a wife deserted and distressed in spirit—
      a wife who married young,
      only to be rejected,” says your God.

      The Woman represents all of Israel, we are told that she has a Son who is snatched to Heaven so if the Woman is Israel then the Son is also from Israel. This group of 144000 male witnesses are sealed on the Earth.

      Revelation 7:4
      Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

      And then after their witnessing they are in Heaven, snatched/raptured from the Earth.

      Revelation 14:3-5New International Version (NIV) 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

      • Bernie

        Well, Mart1963, that’s your interpretation and some of the Church fathers had the same interpretation but also held the interpretation that the woman is Mary. The Church has held both interpretations for centuries (the Catholic Church still does). Tell me why I should accept ONLY your interpretation when the Church fathers hold to both interpretations?

        • Mart1963

          So you admit that my interpretation is what the Church Fathers held as well. The one that you push is the Marian version not the Christian version but I will tell you this, when Jesus comes back to take His people out you Marian’s will be crying to be taken as there is a lot of misery and death coming for those that are left behind. Keep worshiping this false Mary (i.e. Jezebel) fallen angel who sprouts false doctrines.

          Revelation 2(NIV)
          18 “To the angel of the church in Thyatira write:
          These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze. 19 I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first.

          20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel,who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.

          24 Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets, ‘I will not impose any other burden on you, 25 except to hold on to what you have until I come.’

          26 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’[b]—just as I have received authority from my Father. 28 I will also give that one the morning star. 29 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

          Jeremiah 7:16-19 (NIV)
          16 “So do not pray for this people nor offer any plea or petition for them; do not plead with me, for I will not listen to you. 17 Do you not see what they are doing in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead
          the dough and make cakes to offer to the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to arouse my anger. 19 But am I the one they are provoking? declares the Lord. Are they not rather harming themselves, to their own shame?

          Matthew 25:1-13(NIV)
          25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

          6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

          7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

          9 “‘No,’they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’

          10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

          11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’ 12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ 13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

      • Madeline

        Our Lady of Guadalupe appeared to Juan Diego in 1531 “Clothed in the Sun, with the moon under her feet”. Through her, 10 million pagans were converted. Under her banner, the Christian fighters at Lepanto, although greatly outnumbered by their Muslim enemies, realized victory in 1571. Many victories have been realized through the intercession of the Blessed Virgin who carried the Divine Savior in her womb.
        The angel, at the Annunciation, proclaimed: Hail, full of grace! Which of us sinful mortals can state that we are full of grace? The angel, by this proclamation, states the sinless nature of the Mother of God.

        Think about it, does not common sense tell you that the “New Arc of the Covenant” the one who carried the Savior in her womb would be no less than completely pure by God’s holy grace?
        Does the words of Scripture put limitations on the actions of God?
        Mary, the Mother of God and our Mother is the great intercessor. We see this in the gospel. Did she not intercede for the young couple who ran out of wine at their wedding feast? Did not Jesus, although his time had not yet come, do the will of his mother? Is this not a scriptural declaration of the “power” of our Blessed Mother. We take nothing from our holy and divine Lord by honoring his mother whom he gave to us from his cross.

        • Mart1963

          Our Lady of Guadalupe appeared to Juan Diego in 1531 “Clothed in the Sun, with the moon under her feet”.

          Could not find any reference to the sun and the moon accompanying this vision, this is what I found.

          Juan Diego, was a recently baptized convert, aged 57, when The apparition allegedly appeared to him in 1531 . On his way to Mass on 9 December, {the feast of the Immaculate Conception at the time}, he saw an apparition of a beautiful young girl surrounded by light. She told him of her love for the people of Mexico, and asked that the local Bishop, build a temple or church on that spot.
          She spoke to Juan Diego in Nahuatl a native language of the Mayans

          News spread and the result was that the Aztecs, who were reluctant to become involved in Christianity, as the religion of their conquerors, the Spanish, flocked into the Church.

          When the apparition appeared, she described herself as the Mother of the True God, of the one who created heaven and earth – a description that also applied
          to the Indians’ Lord god Omecihuatl. The place where the church was built was sacred to the Aztec Goddess, Tonantzin, who may be the true form of Guadalupe. The Church often built on sacred Indigenous ground { Some say for the sake of having Indigenous peoples worship
          the the Christian gods}Over time, this helped to allow for conversation. She referred to herself as the Mother. Tonantzin was also the Mother, and was associated with the moon.

          We are warned about false angels presenting a different version of the Bible, changing God’s Word.

          Galatians 1:8
          But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

          This message that these fallen angels preach, trying to pass themselves as Mary, go along the lines of worship me/pray to me and I will pray to the son. Jesus told us to pray to the Father directly in His name.

          John 14:13
          And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

          Mary is not full of Grace but highly favoured or blessed, it is God that is full of Grace as the correct translation from a majority of translation :

          Luke 1:28King James Version (KJV)
          28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

          It is not Mary that intercedes for us between us and God but God’s Holy Spirit.

          Romans 8:26New International Version (NIV)
          26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.

          You choose to continue worshiping this fallen angel calling itself Mary or putting her in front o Jesus then you are hurting yourself and your faith is corrupt.

          Jeremiah 7:16-19New International Version (NIV) 16 “So do not pray for this people nor offer any plea or petition for them; do not plead with me, for I will not listen to you. 17 Do you not see what they are doing in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes to offer to the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to arouse my anger. 19 But am I the one they are provoking? declares the Lord. Are they not rather harming themselves, to their own shame?

  • Nidalap

    Well now! That IS quite an assumption…

    • neil allen

      Yes, but it’s also official Catholic dogma to hide & protect 100% of pedophile priests, in the largest organized child rape crime syndicate in US history, in brutal defiance of Jesus in Matt 18:6-14.

      The dogma is literally the pedo perspective, and from the most filthy rich church in the world, in brutal defiance of Jesus in Matt 19:21.

      • Ma Hester

        And yet you, Patrick O’Malley aka 617-PATRICK (the real identity of “neil allen”), told *all* your friends to give that SAME church money. Why did you do that, if the church is indeed “filthy rich” ?

        Why did you pretend to be a good friend to Susan Blake if she belonged to that church?

        • neil allen

          Fake account, by a pedophile defender

          • Ma Hester

            Patrick O’Malley, aka 617-PATRICK, the real identity of ‘Neil allen’, defender of non-catholic pedophiles, accuses other people of having fake accounts and defending pedophiles.

          • Mike Wyatt

            What skittery arguments ………………….I ask who let the trolls out.

          • neil allen

            God asks who are the pedophiles and pedophile defenders, and you are certainly 1 of them, brutally defying Jesus in Matthew 18:6-14, helping defend pure evil.

          • Mike Wyatt

            what an evil troll

        • Mike Wyatt

          red herrings across the blood hound’s tracks

      • Mike Wyatt

        red herrings

  • Reason2012

    Follow God and His Word, not a church that tells you to follow their claims instead.

    Matthew 12:46-50 “While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”

    1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”

    Luke 1:46-47 “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”

    Do not pray to Mary or anyone else – you pray to God through Christ Jesus.

    • Bernie

      Then, don’t ever ask anyone to pray for you when you are in need. Also, when someone asks you to pray for them, reprimand them and tell them to pray to God themselves. In Matthew 12:46-50 Jesus is not disowning or disparaging his mother and relatives he is instructing those listening that they will be as close to him as his mother and relatives if they follow his teachings. Any good Bible commentary could have told you that. Yes, there is only one mediator, Jesus Christ, but it is his unique role that makes us all participants in his saving action in the world. “Love one another… ” Pray for one another… ” We are all mediators in and through Jesus Christ because our life is in Christ. Yes, God was Mary’s Saviour. His saving merit was applied to Mary before her conception. That is Catholic doctrine.

      • Reason2012

        // Then, don’t ever ask anyone to pray for you when you are in need.

        Hello. I ASK people to pray for me – I don’t PRAY to people to ask them to pray for me, let alone as if they’re omniscient and can hear millions of people pray to them from anywhere in the world telepathically. Nor do I pray to people after they die.

        // In Matthew 12:46-50 Jesus is not disowning or disparaging his mother
        // and relatives he is instructing those listening that they will be as close
        // to him as his mother and relatives if they follow his teachings.

        Which proves that being God’s “mother” is nothing special since any born again believer in God can be God’s “mother”.

        // but it is his unique role that makes us all participants in his
        // saving action in the world.

        That doesn’t mean we’re co-redeemer’s and that Christ is not the ONLY redeemer. We don’t save the world, Christ does.

        // “Love one another… ” Pray for one another… ” We are all mediators
        // in and through Jesus Christ because our life is in Christ.

        Yes, we can pray to God for others, but others do not pray to us asking us to pray for them as if we’re omniscient and can telepathically or otherwise hear their private prayers, let alone that they should be praying to US asking us this, let alone do it even more when we die.

        // Yes, God was Mary’s Saviour. His saving merit was applied to
        // Mary before her conception. That is Catholic doctrine.

        Yes, it’s catholic doctrine – it’s not God’s doctrine as the Bible says no such thing, which is the point.

      • Ax2root

        The Word of God SPECIFICALLY states that the prayer of agreement is between two believers ON EARTH.

    • Matthew

      There is no Scripture without the Church (the Orthodox and Catholic Church, united until circa 1054 AD, compiled the New Testament, starting in the fourth century AD); Christ, the actual Word of God, founded the Church which is now divided on methodology between west and east, and without that origin in the earthly ministry of Christ, there is no way to follow Him. One can be protestant if one wishes, and one may well still be forgiven and receive salvation, but it would be despite protestant error rather than because of it. Follow Christ in His Church so that you may have some hope of understanding Scriptures and find the Life, the Truth, and the Way in His Body, or don’t, but do not delude yourself into believing that you can take a tiny part of our tradition (the Bible) and repurpose it without your perversion being recognized.

      • Reason2012

        There is no Scripture without the Church

        Sure there is: the Bible. Anyone can read it, anyone can choose to obey it or not obey it.

        “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
        2 Timothy 2:15

        The church is the body of born again believers in God, not any denomination. And those born again believers then have physical churches they go to. But as Revelations shows, any individual physical churches that get away from God and His truth, he will remove His spirit from, rebuking the false claim that if a church makes claim to being part of a denomination that makes it “His church”.

        The fact that catholicism violates God’s Word on so many level shows they are not being led by Him (infant baptism saving, cathechisms saving, re-sacrificing Christ every mass, asking the Lord to accept the priest’s sacrifice at His hands when Jesus was the FINAL sacrifice, creating graven images and ALSO bowning down to them, praying to people as if they’re omnipresent and can hear their prayers instead of paying to God, and so much more).. So any claim to be the one to “compile” it is irrelevant.

        There are saved people in most any denomination – but those who become saved while in a catholic church quickly come out of it as they easily see how catholicism violates God’s Word on so many levels.

        NO denomination is following God – only some churches out of some denominations are. Believers must investigate churches on a case by case basis to find ones that are currently being led by God.

        Follow Christ in His Church

        No, follow Christ – not any denomination.

        so that you may have some hope of understanding Scriptures and find the Life, the Truth, and the Way in His Body,

        The Holy Spirit guides individuals to His truth as they read the Scriptures for themselves – a church does not have private interpretation to it, new revelation from God (let alone new revelation that contradicts what God has already revealed to us in the Bible).

        “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
        1 Corinthians 2:12-14

        “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
        2 Peter 1:20-21

        or don’t, but do not delude yourself into believing that you can take a tiny part of our tradition (the Bible)

        The fact catholicism violates and blaspheme’s God and His Word shows the Bible is not “theirs”, except to twist it. It’s why for so long they tried to make sure no one has a copy of the Bible in their own language so they would be forced to accept their twisted version of it that they told the people, helping to keep them blind to His actual truth.

        And we are not to follow mankind’s tradition, but God and what He says instead.

        That’s what the Pharisees did: elevated their tradition to be on equal footing with God’s Word.

        “And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.”
        Mark 7:9

        “Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.”
        Mark 7:13

        Please think again. Read the Bible again for yourself rather than allow a church to tell you what it says instead.

        • Matthew

          Ah, so you’re Jewish! I don’t know why you reference our Christian Scriptures, but at the time of Timothy there was no Bible and no Christian Scripture, so if you’re using his words to argue your point, your point must be that there is a Torah to study. While there is indeed a Torah you can study, we Christians have our own Scriptures, the Bible, written and compiled by the Church guided by the Holy Spirit, and so there is no Christian Scripture except within the Church. As we see from protestants, any attempt to misuse the Bible – that is, to use it outside of the purpose for which it was created – results inevitably in error and wickedness.

          You have an interesting interpretation of both history and Scripture! Erroneous and misguided, but interesting! “Born again” shows up exactly once in the New Testament (1 Peter 1:23) where it refers to members of the Church scattered throughout the Middle East and Anatolia. To be a member of the Church was to be born again, not the other way around. So it is impossible to be born again before you are a member of the Church, which invalidates through Scripture any claim of being born again outside of the Body of Christ founded by Christ and existing perpetually without interruption down to the present day. As for Revelation, you seem to be confused: there are no denominations at the time this book was written, only Christians and non-Christians. At this time there is still communion even with monophysites. The word denomination doesn’t appear anywhere in the New Testament.

          Your misunderstanding of Catholic liturgical practices proves the point: you neither understand God’s Word (Jesus) nor the meaning of the ancient liturgical practices of the See of Rome. It is possible, through the Grace of God, to partake of salvation without membership in any particular Church (or belief in Christ, even – I do not know the full will and plan of our Triune God), but you seem to be confused here again. The vast majority of people being saved in this era must be a part of the Catholic Church, because they outnumber all other Christian denominations four to one. Simple math combined with study of history and the Church Fathers reveals that the Church was bringing souls to Christ long before protestantism existed.

          The very misuse of the word “churches” is disturbing to the eyes. Denominations are not a thing. There is the Church, and there are the Sees, and there are the dioceses and metropolia, but there is only one Church. Since the liturgy is the same from one presbyter to another, there is no need to go hunting – Christ is there, in the Liturgy, as He always has been. The Church is following Christ, undeniably and absolutely. There is no denomination for you to not follow. Either you are in the Church or you are not in the Church.

          The Holy Spirit guides individuals to the Church, but the Holy Spirit guides the Church collectively when gathered (Matthew 18:20), thus any individual interpretation of the Bible will be less perfect than the traditional interpretation… unless you believe Scripture is incorrect here – I guess you feel you have the right to make that pronouncement. Your citation of 2nd Peter 1:20-21 is a beautiful contradiction of your point: the individual is not the primary interpreter of Scripture.

          That you believe protestant perversions of Scripture are more real than Catholic misinterpretations of Scripture is, I think, hilarious. Catholics and Orthodox explore Scripture and Tradition differently, but protestants are just angry Catholics – you use the same methodologies the Catholic Church does, except you rewrite Scriptures (Luther’s famous reworking of Romans 3:28 and the editing of 1 Timothy come to mind). So perversion of Scripture is at the root of protestantism, thereby revealing the notion that Catholics are working “to twist it” as an excellent example of character inversion. The Bible was always available in the vernacular in the east, and the Catholic Church’s preference for Latin was specifically to maintain catholicity (because Latin favored no nation and no ethnicity).

          You again show a tremendous misunderstanding of history: the Pharisees did not elevate their tradition above God’s instructions – they made God’s instructions legalistic! While I agree the Catholic Church can be compared to the Pharisees, it is not because of some hidden and invisible act, but because they have taken God’s teachings to be mere contractual obligations – a characteristic that has never been cast off by protestants! Indeed, protestants add to it by changing Scripture and ignoring Tradition in violation 2 Thessalonians 2:15! Your citation of Mark 7:9 and 13 proves the point that you are guilty of the same as the Pharisees: you insist on your own modern interpretation and ignore the teachings of Christ, the Apostles, the Church Fathers, and all of the Christians until the 15th century AD. You, sir, are the modern target audience of those verses every bit as much as any Catholic could ever be.

          I pray you will reject your arrogant projections (assuming that you, who can now see are no greater a student of Scripture than I, and far less a student of history) and your manmade antiChristian doctrines and will pursue union with the Holy Church as established by Christ and continuing unbroken to this day. Barring that, rejoin the Catholic Church and work towards union with one another, rather than submitting to the indoctrination that has bound your mind, your heart, and your soul so far from Christ.

          • DoneDoneThat

            “You have an interesting interpretation of both history and Scripture! Erroneous and misguided, but interesting! “Born again” shows up exactly once in the New Testament (1 Peter 1:23) where it refers to members of the Church scattered throughout the Middle East and Anatolia.”

            Interesting, I was just reading this last night:

            John 3:3
            Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

            No mention of church membership in the Lord’s words

            1 Peter 1:3
            Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

            Seems clear to me that God, Through His great mercy has caused us to be born again. No mention of church in there anywhere. The previous verses only give the context of Peter’s target audience who were “elect”
            “exiles”, “scattered”, “chosen, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit”,

            The only indication that Peter’s audience was part of the body of believers is they were “God’s elect”. It appears they were chosen ” to be obedient to Jesus Christ” and were symbolically ” sprinkled with his blood”.

            I would love to go through every verse you claim has been “perverted” by protestants with you. Please pick one and lets get started. Maybe we’ll both learn something.

          • Matthew

            John 3:3 – “άπεκρίθη Ίησούς και είπεν αύτο άμήν άμήν λέγω σοι εάν μυ τις γεννηθή άνωθεν ού δύναται ίδείν την Βασιλείαν του Θεού” is not exactly what your English translation proclaims it to be. Indeed, the phrase “born again” is usually translated “born anew” and sometimes translated as “from above.” I recognize that you must not have read the rest of the chapter last night, because you missed John 3:5 where membership in the Church is referenced, and 3:10-12, which is addressed to you, and 3:20 that describes your predicament.
            Those exiles were the exiles of the Church – I assume you haven’t read Acts of the Apostles if you did not immediately realize these people were members of the Church.
            As I have just demonstrated several verses which you have perverted in your errors and the first round of investigations have proven you erroneous at best and wicked at worst, you may proceed as you wish, though I humbly pray that you will abandon the errors of protestantism and return to Orthodoxy.

          • DoneDoneThat

            I suppose we will end this with agreeing to disagree. There are many verses in scripture that are disputed and you of course pick some that fit that category. Verse 5 does speak of water but does not directly state baptism. I’ll concede it could possibly mean baptism but that interpretation is in conflict with the many that state we are saved by grace through faith. Scripture does not contradict itself so it would seem obvious that baptism, while important, is not a requirement for salvation and therefore the reference to water is probably not a reference to baptism. If it is, Jesus lied to the thief on the cross. It’s a huge stretch to equate that with church membership but that’s consistent with your roman catholic practice to fill in the blanks so scripture fits your dogma. Being consistent in that practice you continue by alluding that the “We” in 10-12 means the church when you should know very well the meaning of “we” cannot be known. I think Jesus is referring to himself and the prophets but I would not be so bold as to declare an identity when none is offered anywhere in scripture.

            You assume a lot of things and then declare your assumptions to be truth and somehow “proven”. The only thing you have proven, in my opinion, is your own dishonesty. The roman catholic church is not the same thing as the Church Catholic. There is no church membership requirement in the scriptures and if you were honest you would admit that. Being saved through the Holy Spirit makes you a member of the church and it is not the other way around.
            If you were seeking God instead of seeking what you think is knowledge, you might find that God’s Word was given to us, not by your church, but by God, so that we can know Him, for His glory. The church, as you speak of it, is never glorified or elevated in the scriptures. It merely equates to a group of people who were chosen for salvation by God to glorify Him. He alone deserves our praise and worship.

          • lizk

            to the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, is is because there is no light in them. Isaiah :20.
            Both New and Old is to be studied read Daniel and Revelation for they talk to us, in our day and age.

          • Mike Feehan

            Man made anti Christian doctrines, just WHO are you kidding here??? The Catholic Church is FULL of man made traditions, flat out paganism actually….

            Presbyters first called priests by Lucian……2nd century..

            2… Sacerdotal mass instituted by Cyprian..3rd century

            3… Prayers for the dead—-A.D. 300

            4….Making the sign of the cross—A.D. 300

            5… Wax candles—-A.D. 320

            6….Veneration of angels, dead saints, and images…A.D. 375

            7…Mass became a daily ritual—A.D. 394

            8…Beginning of exaltation of Mary, term “Mother of God” first applied to her by Council of Ephesus….A.D. 431

            9….Priests began to wear special clothing—A.D. 500

            10..Extreme Unction (Rite of Healing)….A.D. 526

            11….The doctrine of purgatory….A.D. 593

            12… Latin used in worship….A.D. 600

            13..Prayers offered to Mary, dead saints and angels…A.D. 600

            14…First man to be proclaimed Pope…(Boniface III) A.D. 610

            15…Kissing the Pope’s feet…..A.D. 709

            16….Temporal power of Popes, conferred by Pepin, King of the Franks…..A.D. 750

            17..Veneration of cross, images, relics authorized…A.D. 786

            18…Holy Water, mixed with pinch of salt, chrism, and blessed by a priest…A.D. 850

            19….Venerations of St. Joseph—A.D. 890

            20…College of Cardinals begun—A.D. 927

            21…Baptism of bells instituted by Pope John X111…A.D. 965

            22…Canonization of dead saints by Pope John XV….A.D. 995

            23…Fasting on Fridays and Lent….A.D. 998

            24….The Mass developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory…A.D. 11TH century…

            25…Celibacy of priests declared….A.D. 1079

            26…Rosary adopted (pagan) by Peter the Hermit….A.D. 1090

            27…The Inquisition instituted by Council of Verona….A.D. 1184

            28….Sale of indulgences….A.D 1190..

            29….Seven Sacraments, defined by Peter Lombard….12th century

            30….Transubstantiation, defined by Innocent III…A.D. 1215..

            31…Auricular confession (Rite of Reconciliation of sins to a priest instead of God, instituted by Innocent III A.D. 1215

            32….Adoration of the wafer (called the Host) decreed by Pope Honorius III….A.D. 1220

            33…Scapular invented by Simon Stock of England…A.D. 1251

            34…The cup forbidden to the laity at communion by the Council of Florence…..A.D. 1439

            35…Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence in A.D 1439

            36…***Traditions declared of EQUAL AUTHORITY with the BIBLE by the Council Of Trent…A.D. 1545

            37…Apocryphial books added to the Bible by the Council of Trent….A.D. 1546

            38…Creed of Pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed in place of the original Apostolic Creed….A.D. 1560

            39….Immaculate Conception of Mary (not virgin birth) proclaimed by Pope Pius IX…A.D. 1854

            40….Syllabus of Errors proclaimed by Pope Pius IX, and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press, and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the Pope’s temporal authority over all civil rulers….A.D. 1864..

            41….Infallibility of the Pope in matters of faith and morals claimed by the Vatican Council….A.D. 1870…

            42…Assumption of Mary proclaimed by Pope Pius XII….A.D. 1950…..

          • lizk

            I was a Catholic till I read the bible and the Catholic church has taken on paganism and got sent reformers to remind her to turn back but she choice not to and God will destroy her and people will morn for her.

        • Mike Wyatt

          not true my friend not true. Preotestants who have detested and hated Catholics all their lives have had their blinkers removed when they were blinded like Paul and come to see that the Catholics have fought for and preserved the Bible and handed it onThe Catholic Church is what Jesus came to set up. Its the ark of the new covenant the cradle for the bible to spread the word of God.

      • lizk

        read the word of God and go by what He says and if you really want to know the truth you will know. I got the bible when I had children and listen to all the evangelist that is why I left the Catholic church because what God was saying in His word the Catholic church did not teach and it was different, the Catholic church brought in paganism into their worship.

        • Mike Feehan

          BINGO, BINGO, BINGO….Let’s see, praying the rosary, Mary is sinless, indulgences, purgatory, water baptism making one a CHILD OF GOD, what a JOKE that is, read the Book of Acts, praying for the dead, praying to the dead, calling priests Father when the BIBLE says to call NOONE your father, and that does not include our earthly parents, confessing one’s sins to a priest WHEN THE BIBLE says that I CAN AND WILL go straight to Jesus, 1 John 1, verse 9, Isiah 43:25, Luke 5:21, etc, etc…..Oh, and I’m SURE that the Apostles wore those funny uniforms and walked around in HATS, RIGHT???? A flat out bunch of paganism mixed in with a little bit of Christianity….

  • balloonknot9

    You blaspheme the Mother of Jesus. Why, because you have no regard, affection for Mary, who said “‘Here am I, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word.” Does anyone believe for even one moment that Jesus condones blasphemes against His mother? Do people really believe that she is just a womb, devoid of holiness, cast aside as soon as she is “used”? Instead of pushing forth your hidden hate of the BVM, why don’t you try to spend some time discerning her instead. **** For those ignorant ones who seem to think Catholics believe Mary is equal to Jesus, try doing some research first or talk to a Catholic instead of articles like this.

    • Amos Moses

      “Does anyone believe for even one moment that Jesus condones blasphemes against His mother?”

      There is no blaspheme against men (or women) …… they are men, not gods …..And what did Christ say from His own lips …………

      Luke
      11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
      11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

      Those who pray to Mary blaspheme Christ …………. He is our savior …. not Mary ….. and while we hold Mary in respect ………. she is not to be prayed to …… for it is unprofitable ……. and blaspheme ……

    • Amos Moses

      “For those ignorant ones who seem to think Catholics believe Mary is equal to Jesus, try doing some research first or talk to a Catholic instead of articles like this”

      “Do you ask me, is Mary willing to assist you? Does she really take an interest in your welfare? Or is she so much absorbed by the fruitation of God as to be indifferent to our miseries? “Can a woman forget her infant so as not to have pity on the fruit of her womb”? (Isaiah 49:15), Even so Mary will not forget us” “Faith of our Fathers, By Cardinal James Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, page 225, 1893 edition.

      “God has entrusted the keys and treasures of heaven to Mary.” Thomas Aquinas

      “Holy Scripture was written to Mary, about Mary, and on account of Mary.” St. Bernard

      “No one ever finds Christ but with and through Mary. Whoever seeks Christ apart from Mary seeks Him in vain.” St. Bonaventure

      ………… and absolutely no scripture to support any of this …………..

      • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

        aye, and it is all heresy.

      • Bernie

        Well, just to respond to one citation: Saint Bernard is a great Doctor of the Church who provided most of the inspiration for John Calvin and Martin Luther –more for Calvin. He was a mystic who stressed the sovereignty of God. And, he was a poet and he composed poems or hymns in honor of the Virgin Mary. We read him in light of the thinking and mysticism of the Middle Ages (“Hail Holy Queen” was written by him.) He exalts Mary –and womanhood– in what can seem to us to be extreme. We cannot read him as if he is stating doctrine.
        Actually, Thomas Aquinas’ quote needs to be taken in context. You have to be pretty smart to criticize Thomas Aquinas so research the quote and see why he wrote what he did.

    • Amos Moses

      “For those ignorant ones who seem to think Catholics believe Mary is equal to Jesus, try doing some research first or talk to a Catholic instead of articles like this”

      “Mary, not one of thy devout servants has ever perished: may I, too, Be saved!” Pope Benedict XV

      “O Mary Mother of Mercy and Refuge of Sinners! We beseech thee to look with pitying eyes on poor heretics and schismatics.

      Do thou, who art the Seat of Wisdom, enlighten the minds wretchedly enfolded in the darkness of ignorance and sin, that they may clearly recognize the Holy, Catholic, Roman Church to be the only true Church of Jesus Christ, outside of which neither sanctity nor salvation can be found. Call them to the unity of the one fold, granting them the grace to believe every truth of our holy faith and to submit themselves to the Supreme Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Jesus Christ on earth, that, thus being united with us by the sweet chains of charity, there may soon be but one fold under one and the same Shepherd; and may we all thus, O Glorious Virgin, exultantly sing forever: ‘Rejoice, O Virgin Mary! Thou alone hast destroyed all heresies in the whole world!’ Amen.” (Pope Pius XII, The Raccolta, Benzinger Brothers, Boston, 1957, No. 626).

      ………… and absolutely no scripture to support any of this …………..

  • Linda Rochon

    Where in the Bible is the idea, that so many Evangelical Christians assert, of Bible only..that if it’s not in the Bible it’s not true? For that matter, who gave us the Bible, particularly the New Testament?

    • Amos Moses

      If it is not in the bible ………. then it is not in the bible ……….. and it is not confirmed or affirmed ………

      “For that matter, who gave us the Bible”

      Do tell …………….

    • DoneDoneThat

      Where in the Bible is the idea that so many Roman Catholics assert, of Bible (and Pope)…if the Pope didn’t add to the scriptures, we couldn’t know the truth? Answer; The Roman Catholic Church.
      For that matter, who told you it was the Catholic Church that gave you to Bible, particularly the new testament?
      Answer; The Roman Catholic Church

      2 Timothy 3:16-17 (ESV)
      16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
      17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

      Psalms 12:6 (ESV)
      “The words of the Lord are pure words, like silver refined in a furnace on the ground,
      purified seven times.”

      Psalms 119:89: (ESV)
      “Your word, O LORD, is eternal, it stands firm”

      Proverbs 30:5-6 (ESV)
      “Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
      Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.”

      1 Corinthians 2:12-13 (ESV)
      “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.”

      • Madeline

        You are so smart that you can quote all those scripture verses. Now, pray tell, who compiled them into the one book we today call the Bible?

        • RRB

          Men inspired by the Holy Spirit! Let’s not be too quick to give man credit for Holy things.

        • DoneDoneThat

          It would certainly be my goal to have all of those memorized to the point of being able to quote them but I’m not there yet Madeline.
          In answer to your question, The first known compilation of all 27 books was by Athanasius of Alexandria, Egypt in 367AD.
          Who did you think it was?

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Jesus is Mary’s Saviour, therefore Mary is a sinner, too. (Luke ch.1) Don’t adore or pray to a sinner. Worship God alone as He commands so. (Exodus ch.20)

    • Bernie

      Catholic (and the Orthodox) do not worship Mary. Please don’t tell us what WE do. You can ask us what we do and why but don’t think you can tell us those things. Yes, we reverence Mary because she is the mother of our Savior; because she agreed to the conception of Jesus and thus agreeing to endure the suffering of a very difficult situation as she was unmarried; because her response “Be done unto me…” made our salvation possible; because she gave birth in a lowly cave; because she nurtured the Son of God into adulthood; because she endured the pain of thinking she had lost her son in Jerusalem when he was only 9 years old (I think he was 9), because Jesus honored her request to ameliorate the shame of a wedding couple running out of wine by changing water into wine; because she watched in utter grief the passion of her son; because she stood at the foot of cross… Yes we respect and reverence Mary. Yes we honor her images; we place flowers before them, we kiss them, we bow to them as many people do with images of their mothers and grandmothers as many people do with any images of their beloved dead. But we don’t worship her anymore than people worship their beloved dead relatives and friends. She is the mother of our Lord, Jesus Christ, and we are members of the Body of Christ so she is also, spiritually, our mother. Yes, we pray to Mary and ask for her intersession. Did you ever ask people to pray for you? “Praying” actually means “asking” (“Pray tell how/Pray, help me…” Have you ever heard those expression?) Why do you need them to pray for you? Why don’t you pray to God yourself? I’ll tell you why: because Jesus told us to love one another, to care for one another, to pray for one another. We Catholics just don’t believe that our love for each other ends at death for nothing can separate us from the love of God, not even death –and, it is Christ’s love that we share. What is the bottom line of the New Testament? Saint John summed it up: Love.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        The Catholics and Orthodox Christians should read the Holy Bible firsthand and give up everything that is not Biblical one by one. Mary was never meant for such elevation. “Love rejoices in the truth.” ( I Corinthians ch.13)

        • http://motesnbeams.blogspot.co.uk/ Clare

          The Bible alone is unbiblical. Christianity existed for almost four centuries before the books making up the Bible were finally definitively chosen, and by none other than the Catholic Church. I believe the Bible because the Church compiled it and says it is inspired. Not everything is in the Bible, and the Bible says as much, at the end of St John’s gospel.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Holy Bible is the Word of God and its Divine origin is self-evident. The Church merely conformed the fact as Jesus had said. (John 14:26) The Holy Bible has no error, but churches can have errors and make mistakes. (Revelation ch. 2 – 3) Yes, everything is in the Holy Bible. The Catholic Church has false doctrines under the plain teachings of the Holy Bible; therefore, the false Catholic doctrines must get rejected instead of the Word of God. “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works.” (Ephesians ch.2)

          • http://motesnbeams.blogspot.co.uk/ Clare

            I know the Bible is the Word of God. The Catholic Church tells me as much. I know it contains no error; I never said it did contain error.
            If you don’t believe the Catholic Church, you shouldn’t believe the Bible. The Church decided on what books make up the Bible. The Church decided what books would not be part of the Bible.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You must read the entire Holy Bible; then you will realize the Catholic Church is teaching something wrong, in the light of the Holy Bible. The early Church fathers were under the Holy Spirit’s guidance when they decided the Canonical Books as Jesus had promised. The church leadership got corrupt after about 1,000 years. The Protestant Reformers brought the Biblical truth right out from the Holy Bible itself – something most of then-church leaders have long-forgotten under the layers of junks of man-made tradistions. Humans error all the time; the Word of God is always right.

          • http://voxcantor.blogspot.com Vox Cantoris

            Did you know that your Martin Luther wanted to destroy the Book of James along with the rest of what he threw out of the Holy Bible?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            He was a fallible human being, limited in his time; he was not an inspired Apostle anyway, but he indeed brought the Biblical truth back into the entire world. For that, he is forever a hero. The entire world changed for good because of the Protestant Reformation, probably the single most important historic incident in the world history after the formation of Christian Church. The Word of God brings salvation and liberty to anyone.

          • Mike Wyatt

            The founding of the Printing Press did more to fuel a revolution. The Greedy German Princes saw their chance to cause forment. You forget because in your Protestant short nearsightedness that there was a counter reformation equally momentous. You are clueless about history. If you had any awareness of history you wouldn’t be a Protestant. The Catholic Church is a vast deep ocean and it has many sinners in it. There are a few vacancies come and join us but leave your arrogance at the door and come in humility and prayer. I serve an abundant God merciful and forgiving of our inadequacies. I know and well . Even the devil can quote scripture for his own purposes. Its not being able to memorize and spill out the bible but to put it on wear it and go out and serve . The poor thats the test of whether you are on track or not.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Printing press was God’s timing. The English have been translating the Holy Bible into the common language all along. God’s Word says we should not become slave to man. It was time for mankind to get direct access to the Holy Bible, since the Catholic Church corrupted itself by departing from God’s truth.

          • http://motesnbeams.blogspot.co.uk/ Clare

            I have read the entire Bible. Probably more Bible than you, have since the Protestant bible omits some books.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Those extra books are not Canonical and non-essential; they touch no doctrines.

          • Mike Wyatt

            Jesus appointed His Church are you saying that Jesus left His Church after 1000 years. That batteries needed to be recharged after 1000. God’s hand supports and guides His Church he doesn’t turn the switch off. Read Jn 17 read your bible and know God is with His Church for always. Why has the Catholic Church not gone poof!!! and disappeared because its the one true Catholic universal apostolic Church on a Mission. Take the Catholic Faith out of this world take Mary out of the Bible and you have a huge vacuum to fill and Protestants are going to do it on their own. Its just plain good spiritual sense to know that Pope Francis’ leadership has a huge impact on the world you can’t deny. He is inspired and inspirational he is equally to 100 Billy Grahams because he stands firm with the keys to the Church handed to Peter by Jesus. Deny this then you deny scriptures and Jesus and most shamefully the workings of the Holy Spirit. My Protestant Brothers and Sisters who many I mark among my friends and relatives. We welcome you with open arms and value your faithfulness to the scriptures but please please don’t tell us what we believe or don’t believe. The challenge for you is to get things right and not to misunderstand and misappropriate what we we truly believe. The Catholic Church is not going to disappear tomorrow so line up the truth with the TRUTH of history and the Divinely appointed Mission of the Church. We will be here to the end. Who serves ? the Catholic Church serves.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Catholic Church does not follow the Word of God anymore. That’s why God caused Prostestant churches to rise up. It is the Holy Spirit who teaches His people God’s truth, the Word. (John ch.14-17)

          • Mike Feehan

            The Bible alone is unblblical??? Really??? Then please explain why in the following four instances the BIBLE says not to add to the Word of God…

            Deuteronomy 4:2—Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you

            ***I mean, if the Bible alone is unbiblical, WHY does this verse say NOT to add to it??

            ****Proverbs 30:6—Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

            ***Again, that verse says DO NOT ADD to his words, does it not?? The Bible does not contradict itself…

            .*****I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.

            ***In the above verses, it says to NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN, does it not?? Please explain to me then how your church nullifies the Word of God by all of its man made traditions AND thus adds on to the Word of God…

            ****I was a former Catholic and so I did not know any of this for a long time as well…I started to read the BIBLE and saw all of the differences between what your Church teaches and what the Bible says….

            It is your choice…Do you want to follow a bunch of men in robes or God’s Word??

            I will leave you with some additional Bible verses for you to consider?

            Jeremiah 17:5—–Cursed are those who put their trust in mere humans, who rely on human strength and turn their hearts away from the LORD. …

            Mark 7.13—-Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” (things such as indulgences, purgatory, praying to the dead, etc, etc…I have included a list of them down below…)

            Colossians 2:8—See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ

            Acts 5:29—We must obey God rather than man. ….

            Again, please give me specific reasons why this church adds on to the Word of God in light of the above verses which I provided to you….

            42 Roman Catholic Inventions….
            1…Presbyters first called priests by Lucian……2nd century..

            2… Sacerdotal mass instituted by Cyprian..3rd century

            3… Prayers for the dead—-A.D. 300

            4….Making the sign of the cross—A.D. 300

            5… Wax candles—-A.D. 320

            6….Veneration of angels, dead saints, and images…A.D. 375

            7…Mass became a daily ritual—A.D. 394

            8…Beginning of exaltation of Mary, term “Mother of God” first applied to her by Council of Ephesus….A.D. 431

            9….Priests began to wear special clothing—A.D. 500

            10..Extreme Unction (Rite of Healing)….A.D. 526

            11….The doctrine of purgatory….A.D. 593

            12… Latin used in worship….A.D. 600

            13..Prayers offered to Mary, dead saints and angels…A.D. 600

            14…First man to be proclaimed Pope…(Boniface III) A.D. 610

            15…Kissing the Pope’s feet…..A.D. 709

            16….Temporal power of Popes, conferred by Pepin, King of the Franks…..A.D. 750

            17..Veneration of cross, images, relics authorized…A.D. 786

            18…Holy Water, mixed with pinch of salt, chrism, and blessed by a priest…A.D. 850

            19….Venerations of St. Joseph—A.D. 890

            20…College of Cardinals begun—A.D. 927

            21…Baptism of bells instituted by Pope John X111…A.D. 965

            22…Canonization of dead saints by Pope John XV….A.D. 995

            23…Fasting on Fridays and Lent….A.D. 998

            24….The Mass developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory…A.D. 11TH century…

            25…Celibacy of priests declared….A.D. 1079

            26…Rosary adopted (pagan) by Peter the Hermit….A.D. 1090

            27…The Inquisition instituted by Council of Verona….A.D. 1184

            28….Sale of indulgences….A.D 1190..

            29….Seven Sacraments, defined by Peter Lombard….12th century

            30….Transubstantiation, defined by Innocent III…A.D. 1215..

            31…Auricular confession (Rite of Reconciliation of sins to a priest instead of God, instituted by Innocent III A.D. 1215

            32….Adoration of the wafer (called the Host) decreed by Pope Honorius III….A.D. 1220

            33…Scapular invented by Simon Stock of England…A.D. 1251

            34…The cup forbidden to the laity at communion by the Council of Florence…..A.D. 1439

            35…Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence in A.D 1439

            36…***Traditions declared of EQUAL AUTHORITY with the BIBLE by the Council Of Trent…A.D. 1545

            37…Apocryphial books added to the Bible by the Council of Trent….A.D. 1546

            38…Creed of Pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed in place of the original Apostolic Creed….A.D. 1560

            39….Immaculate Conception of Mary (not virgin birth) proclaimed by Pope Pius IX…A.D. 1854

            40….Syllabus of Errors proclaimed by Pope Pius IX, and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press, and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the Pope’s temporal authority over all civil rulers….A.D. 1864..

            41….Infallibility of the Pope in matters of faith and morals claimed by the Vatican Council….A.D. 1870…

            42…Assumption of Mary proclaimed by Pope Pius XII….A.D. 1950…..

        • http://voxcantor.blogspot.com Vox Cantoris

          The Holy Bible was put together by the Catholic Church finally settled in 397 at the Council of Carthage. This is undisputed fact. Christ did not come to found a book but to found a Church. The Church Universal based in Rome – Catholic, canonised the books that would make up the Holy Bible. The Assumption of Mary was believed before the “Bible.” St. John tells us that the “world could not contain the books” for what else Jesus did and said and by extension, what else happened. Do not accuse Catholics of worshipping anyone but the Triune God. You are not Catholic, I am, I should know what I believe.

          Mary’s Assumption actually is a foretaste of our own bodily resurrection at the end of time. She was sinless because Jesus is God and God could not dwell within a sinless ark. She is the Ark of the New Covenant.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You cling to nostalgia by elevating Mary, not to God’s revealed truth. Mary called God her Saviour which proves she is a sinner just as anyone else. (Luke ch.1) God dwells in every true believer. Mary is just a blessed example for all believers, nothing of God’s covenant other that the fact she got saved by believing in Jesus just as anyone else. The Ark of the New Covenant is of Jesus, nothing of human beings like Mary.

          • Rev Donald Spitz

            You Catholics are good at making up things which have no basis in the Holy Scripture. There is no evidence Peter was ever in Rome.

          • Mike Wyatt

            Peter was buried in Rome along with many other of the apostles in and around Rome and Italy. If you are a Protestant you enjoy not letting the facts get in the road of your fictious stories

          • Rev Donald Spitz

            There is no proof that Peter was buried in Rome. It’s just a tradition.

          • Mike Wyatt

            Its a good worthy tradition I will go with it. Most likely contains much deep truth come and Join the Catholic and leave your prejudices at the door

      • Martin Walsh

        Simply untrue. I’m an ex Catholic and have observed mariolatry. Whilst it’s true that the official teaching of the Roman church makes a distinction between dulia and latria, in practice, this is not the attitude of many Catholics.

      • lizk

        the 2nd commandment is thou shall not make unto thee any graven image not shall you bow down to them. I was a Catholic and I know tey pray o Mary and that she is the mother of God but we are to pray only to Jesus and worship Him. Mary is asleep even Jesus called death sleep, read about Lazereth.

      • peanut butter

        When asked how to pray, Christ answered, “Our Father who art in Heaven…”. He didn’t say to pray to Himself, and He didn’t say “Pray to my Mama”. Not to Jude, or Peter, or Christopher, etc… He said to pray to God. Anyone that asks for someone to pray for them is not doing what Jesus said to do. Someone who prays to Him on your behalf has all rights to do so, but you should not go around asking for intercession from anyone. Voluntary prayers by others to help you change, heal, etc. are good to have; that means those people care for your well-being. But Christ is the only intercessor… He will intercede to the Father to save us from our sins. And that intercession will not be for those who do not openly acknowledge their sins to the Father, ask for His forgiveness, and repent, or turn from those sins. Christ does not save us if we are still ‘in our sins’.

      • Rev Donald Spitz

        If you pray to her, you worship her. You say you do not worship her, but your actions of making graven images of her and praying to her using rote prayers show you do worship her. You may want to read the first commandment.

      • Mike Feehan

        Yes, I ask friends to pray for me….But, I NEVER, EVER, EVER pray to my friends as you folks do to Mary….Are you familiar with Matthew 6:7 which speaks of VAIN REPITITIONS?, essentially babbling words which really mean pretty much nothing?? How about 1 Timothy 2:5 which says that there is ONE MEDIATOR between God and man, JESUS?? That verse does NOT say Mary or a Catholic priest…

      • Mike Wyatt

        If you have a deep profound respect for Mary (and Mariology) then likewise you can have a deep profound respect for Jesus Christ God’s son conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary (Christology) . It makes good sound spiritual sense to Catholics but for Protestants they just can’t get their heads and hearts around Mary. I often wonder if they try to down play Mary. Why? the scriptures are clear about Mary the mother of Jesus. She is the first Christian called by God and part of His wonderful plan of salvation. Stop my brothers and sisters and reflect for one moment what would happen if you took all the Holy women out of the Old and New Testaments. Mary the mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalene . The bible would have some huge holes in it. The soul and divinity of the word of God would be rent. They say if you are to know history properly then you would cease to be a Protestant. To Link the Catholic Church with the Pharisees is a good example of a lack of historical understanding. The Catholic Church has never nullified the word of God infact what was in the bible was agreed on by the various councils and what has come down to us to day. During the dark ages things weren’t so dark as the bible was faithful copied and kept preserved by monks and it has come to us today. The advantages of the reformation times was that the printing presses were able to disseminate more plentifully what the monks copied by hand painstakingly. These pieces of history are ignored by the Protestants. Go deep into History and you will be crossing the Tiber into Rome and embracing the Traditions and the Scriptutres and living the life which Jesus prayed in John 17. Father that we should all be one. The Scadal of the Protestant Reformation was that one true catholic and apostolic Church was diverted from its divinely appointed mission. In Rome many of the Apostles have been buried including Peter et al. Does that tell you something. Here is the the Memorare prayer. ‘Remember oh Glorious Virgin Mary that never was known that anyone who fled to your protection implored your help or sought your intercession was ever left unaided. Inspired by this confidence I fly to you Oh Virgin of Virgins. My mother………’……….. This prayer is powerful find it and pray it, I ask of you in Jesus name Amen

  • axelbeingcivil

    Why is the guy’s name in scare quotes?

  • David

    Mary is well respected and adored by all every true Christians and even non Christians because of her role in the events of Jesus Christ and Christianity. That is why every Christian no matter the denomination still name their daughters after her. However we must be careful not to make her an idol to worship or channel our prayers through. Jesus is the only way to the father.. He’s The Door.. He clearly states this in the holy Bible. Never in the Bible did He that is Jesus,confused us as to who and where to channel our prayers to. This prayer to Mary isn’t scriptural.. It doesn’t have it’s basis in The Holy Bible. Doesn’t matter who is telling us to do it.. .because on that judgement day everyone no matter race or religion or denomination will stand before The Lord of All.. .and will speak for his or herself therefore let’s wake up and trust God to open our hearts and mind and eyes to The truth The Holy Spirit reveals in His Bible and stand for the truth. Thanks.

    • Bernie

      You make the mistake of disowning Sacred Tradition and claiming the Bible only for authority and then applying your own belief to judge a different set of beliefs. The Bible is surely the gold standard for both protestants and Catholics; nothing can contradict the Bible. But, Catholics and Eastern Orthodox –all Christians up until the Reformation– accepted what to us is obvious, that Sacred Tradition is also important: that the Bible is part of Sacred Tradition, the most important part to be sure but compiled as part of Tradition. The “Bible alone”, in fact, is not scriptural.

      • DoneDoneThat

        I don’t understand why you call tradition sacred. Man has a consistent habit of corrupting everything he touches and certainly shouldn’t be trusted. I don’t trust myself. John said that Jesus didn’t trust the testimony of man. I see nothing Obvious in your claim that it is obvious to trust traditions.
        You mention the reformation which I believe was the point in history where the scriptures were once again held to a higher standard than traditions but as I said, nothing that man touches stays pure so today most protestants in the US have embraced a semi-pelagian doctrine that once again ignores scripture in favor of the corrupt traditions of man. Through it all, which includes the dark ages of church and king collusion, God has and will continue to maintain a remnant of believers that remain true to the scriptures while rejecting the traditions of man.

      • Mike Feehan

        The BIBLE ALONE is Scriptural….Your church makes the mistake of ADDING ON all of these man made traditions….

        Deuteronomy 4:2—Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you

        ***I mean, if the Bible alone is unbiblical, WHY does this verse say NOT to add to it??

        ****Proverbs 30:6—Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

        ***Again, that verse says DO NOT ADD to his words, does it not?? The Bible does not contradict itself…

        .*****I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.

        ***In the above verses, it says to NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN, does it not?? Please explain to me then how your church nullifies the Word of God by all of its man made traditions AND thus adds on to the Word of God…

        ****I was a former Catholic and so I did not know any of this for a long time as well…I started to read the BIBLE and saw all of the differences between what your Church teaches and what the Bible says….

        It is your choice…Do you want to follow a bunch of men in robes or God’s Word??

        I will leave you with some additional Bible verses for you to consider?

        Jeremiah 17:5—–Cursed are those who put their trust in mere humans, who rely on human strength and turn their hearts away from the LORD. …

        Mark 7.13—-Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” (things such as indulgences, purgatory, praying to the dead, etc, etc…I have included a list of them down below…)

        Colossians 2:8—See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ

        Acts 5:29—We must obey God rather than man. ….

        Again, please give me specific reasons why this church adds on to the Word of God in light of the above verses which I provided to you….

        42 Roman Catholic Inventions….
        1…Presbyters first called priests by Lucian……2nd century..

        2… Sacerdotal mass instituted by Cyprian..3rd century

        3… Prayers for the dead—-A.D. 300

        4….Making the sign of the cross—A.D. 300

        5… Wax candles—-A.D. 320

        6….Veneration of angels, dead saints, and images…A.D. 375

        7…Mass became a daily ritual—A.D. 394

        8…Beginning of exaltation of Mary, term “Mother of God” first applied to her by Council of Ephesus….A.D. 431

        9….Priests began to wear special clothing—A.D. 500

        10..Extreme Unction (Rite of Healing)….A.D. 526

        11….The doctrine of purgatory….A.D. 593

        12… Latin used in worship….A.D. 600

        13..Prayers offered to Mary, dead saints and angels…A.D. 600

        14…First man to be proclaimed Pope…(Boniface III) A.D. 610

        15…Kissing the Pope’s feet…..A.D. 709

        16….Temporal power of Popes, conferred by Pepin, King of the Franks…..A.D. 750

        17..Veneration of cross, images, relics authorized…A.D. 786

        18…Holy Water, mixed with pinch of salt, chrism, and blessed by a priest…A.D. 850

        19….Venerations of St. Joseph—A.D. 890

        20…College of Cardinals begun—A.D. 927

        21…Baptism of bells instituted by Pope John X111…A.D. 965

        22…Canonization of dead saints by Pope John XV….A.D. 995

        23…Fasting on Fridays and Lent….A.D. 998

        24….The Mass developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory…A.D. 11TH century…

        25…Celibacy of priests declared….A.D. 1079

        26…Rosary adopted (pagan) by Peter the Hermit….A.D. 1090

        27…The Inquisition instituted by Council of Verona….A.D. 1184

        28….Sale of indulgences….A.D 1190..

        29….Seven Sacraments, defined by Peter Lombard….12th century

        30….Transubstantiation, defined by Innocent III…A.D. 1215..

        31…Auricular confession (Rite of Reconciliation of sins to a priest instead of God, instituted by Innocent III A.D. 1215

        32….Adoration of the wafer (called the Host) decreed by Pope Honorius III….A.D. 1220

        33…Scapular invented by Simon Stock of England…A.D. 1251

        34…The cup forbidden to the laity at communion by the Council of Florence…..A.D. 1439

        35…Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence in A.D 1439

        36…***Traditions declared of EQUAL AUTHORITY with the BIBLE by the Council Of Trent…A.D. 1545

        37…Apocryphial books added to the Bible by the Council of Trent….A.D. 1546

        38…Creed of Pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed in place of the original Apostolic Creed….A.D. 1560

        39….Immaculate Conception of Mary (not virgin birth) proclaimed by Pope Pius IX…A.D. 1854

        40….Syllabus of Errors proclaimed by Pope Pius IX, and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press, and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the Pope’s temporal authority over all civil rulers….A.D. 1864..

        41….Infallibility of the Pope in matters of faith and morals claimed by the Vatican Council….A.D. 1870…

        42…Assumption of Mary proclaimed by Pope Pius XII….A.D. 1950…..

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  • Stanley J. Harris

    Not quite accurate; The Assumption” does NOT claim Mary did not die. Just that she, (Like Elijah & Enoch ) “at the close of her earthly life” was taken bodily into Glory before the rest of us, being “Theotokos” (God bearer). On the Day of Judgement, the righteous will enter into Eternal Life, the unrighteous into Eternal Punishment. (Matt; 25;31-46) Mary (as in the Immaculate Conception idea) simply did it first, as she was the first to accept Jesus (literally!) into her life.

    • Amos Moses

      “Mary (as in the Immaculate Conception idea) simply did it first”

      And that is an assumption ….. or really a presumption ….. and no scripture to support it …. even Mary admitted she needed a savior ….. and if you are going to throw Elijah and Enoch into that mix …….. then she was not the first …… all are saved by faith …. even those of the OT ……

      • Madeline

        Did you ever consider that the death and Assumption of Mary occurred after the events of scripture took place?

        Is all that occurred after the events of scripture to be disbelieved because it is not scriptural?

        • Amos Moses

          Well, the last bit of scripture was written by John (Revelation) …….. and Christ gave his mothers care over to John …. and he made no mention of it …… John died on Patmos after “the assumption of Mary” and no mention of it …… all of scripture was given by the Holy Spirit …. and it was not mentioned ……… so it is a very nice story ….. but just a story …… with no basis …..

  • Dan Raleigh

    A question to the people who believe that God has spoken to us,

    Today science tells us that if we loose Auditory Cortex of our brain, that person will not be able to have the perception of hearing in anyway. When we hear voices or sounds our auditory cortex gets stimulated and when this happens we get the perception of hearing. Even if God needs to speak to us for whatever the reason God must stimulate our Auditory Cortex, then only we will get the perception of hearing.

    Therefore, if the God has managed to stimulate the auditory cortex of some people in the past as bible says, why God has failed to talk to a group of people by stimulating the auditory cortex of few people at once and then have some group conversations?

    • Amos Moses

      “Therefore, if the God has managed to stimulate the auditory cortex of some people in the past as bible says, why God has failed to talk to a group of people by stimulating the auditory cortex of few people at once and then have some group conversations?”

      God does not “fail” to do anything ……. He is God ….. Because His Kingdom is a Kingdom, not a democracy or a plebiscite …………… God has direct access to all of us …… the ear or the connecting tissue are not strictly needed for Him to communicate ……….. but there is a “group conversation” everyday ….. and the group is called the church ….. the body of believers ………..

  • Basil Damukaitis

    The Catholic Church gave you the Bible, so don’t pull quotes out of context and pretend you know how to interpret them. Additionally, you don’t even know what THE Church truly believes about the Mother of God, as is clear from the comments. So after you say “thank you” to the Catholic Church for handing down the Scriptures you so dearly value, begin to truly UNDERSTAND them. Any moron can memorize. But that’s not the same as knowing them, is it?

    • Mike Feehan

      Well, WHY are there so many contradictions then, explain that one….Let’s see, praying the rosary, Mary being sinless, indulgences, praying for the dead, purgatory, praying for the dead, calling priests Father when the Bible says to call no man your father, confessing your sins to a priest when I CAN AND WILL go straight to JESUS as the BIBLE tells me to do in so many places, 1 John 1, verse 9, Isiah 43:25, Luke 5:21, etc, etc…Also, IF you wrote the BIBLE, then WHY NO BIBLES IN THE PEWS??? Just answer the question…And per 1 John 2, verse 27, I can and will interpret Scripture on my own with the assistance of many born again followers of Jesus Christ I do not need some priest to interpret It as your church falsely teaches because you want to keep folks in bondage, WHAT ELSE IS NEW THERE)…

      1 John 2:27

      .As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you *********do not need anyone to teach you. ************But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit–just as it has taught you, remain in him

      ***List of 42 ROMAN CATHOLIC INVENTIONS….(THESE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD, THEY WERE CREATED BY MEN…)

      Presbyters first called priests by Lucian……2nd century..

      2… Sacerdotal mass instituted by Cyprian..3rd century

      3… Prayers for the dead—-A.D. 300

      4….Making the sign of the cross—A.D. 300

      5… Wax candles—-A.D. 320

      6….Veneration of angels, dead saints, and images…A.D. 375

      7…Mass became a daily ritual—A.D. 394

      8…Beginning of exaltation of Mary, term “Mother of God” first applied to her by Council of Ephesus….A.D. 431

      9….Priests began to wear special clothing—A.D. 500

      10..Extreme Unction (Rite of Healing)….A.D. 526

      11….The doctrine of purgatory….A.D. 593

      12… Latin used in worship….A.D. 600

      13..Prayers offered to Mary, dead saints and angels…A.D. 600

      14…First man to be proclaimed Pope…(Boniface III) A.D. 610

      15…Kissing the Pope’s feet…..A.D. 709

      16….Temporal power of Popes, conferred by Pepin, King of the Franks…..A.D. 750

      17..Veneration of cross, images, relics authorized…A.D. 786

      18…Holy Water, mixed with pinch of salt, chrism, and blessed by a priest…A.D. 850

      19….Venerations of St. Joseph—A.D. 890

      20…College of Cardinals begun—A.D. 927

      21…Baptism of bells instituted by Pope John X111…A.D. 965

      22…Canonization of dead saints by Pope John XV….A.D. 995

      23…Fasting on Fridays and Lent….A.D. 998

      24….The Mass developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory…A.D. 11TH century…

      25…Celibacy of priests declared….A.D. 1079

      26…Rosary adopted (pagan) by Peter the Hermit….A.D. 1090

      27…The Inquisition instituted by Council of Verona….A.D. 1184

      28….Sale of indulgences….A.D 1190..

      29….Seven Sacraments, defined by Peter Lombard….12th century

      30….Transubstantiation, defined by Innocent III…A.D. 1215..

      31…Auricular confession (Rite of Reconciliation of sins to a priest instead of God, instituted by Innocent III A.D. 1215

      32….Adoration of the wafer (called the Host) decreed by Pope Honorius III….A.D. 1220

      33…Scapular invented by Simon Stock of England…A.D. 1251

      34…The cup forbidden to the laity at communion by the Council of Florence…..A.D. 1439

      35…Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence in A.D 1439

      36…***Traditions declared of EQUAL AUTHORITY with the BIBLE by the Council Of Trent…A.D. 1545

      37…Apocryphial books added to the Bible by the Council of Trent….A.D. 1546

      38…Creed of Pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed in place of the original Apostolic Creed….A.D. 1560

      39….Immaculate Conception of Mary (not virgin birth) proclaimed by Pope Pius IX…A.D. 1854

      40….Syllabus of Errors proclaimed by Pope Pius IX, and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press, and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the Pope’s temporal authority over all civil rulers….A.D. 1864..

      41….Infallibility of the Pope in matters of faith and morals claimed by the Vatican Council….A.D. 1870…

      42…Assumption of Mary proclaimed by Pope Pius XII….A.D. 1950…..

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  • Dan Raleigh

    Dear Admin, I didn’t make that comment by having a bad intension, therefore, I don’t see that comment should go for moderation. I have family members who are christian’s too but I’m not a person who likes to believe into anything just because something written in books. By saying this way, please don’t take it in a wrong way, I would like to understand these questions, as I’m a person who likes to keep an open mind to know the actual truth of this world.

    Thank you for understanding! And I would like to have this conversation with the people who believe to know these from their perspective.

  • Dan Raleigh

    Hi Amos,

  • Dan Raleigh

    Hi Amos, I’m not sure you understood my point. I don’t hold into any believes just because something is written in a books. Take it this way, my sister believes in God and just because she believes in God and if she says that she heard the voice of God, doesn’t mean I have to believe in God for me to hear the voice of God. Cause the reason is God must stimulate the auditory cortex of my sister for my sister to hear the Gods words, which means even if I believe or not God should be able to stimulate my auditory cortex as well and make me to hear his voice. If a person has a damaged auditory cortex no God will ever be able to make people to hear his words. Cause this is the only place in our brain where we will have the perception of hearing.

    Why these kind of things are not happening?

  • Sonokar

    Doesn’t this guy bother to read the bible?

  • patriot

    I got news for you Protestants. This is an ancient Christian teaching. Even your lord and savior Martin Luther believed in it. We true Christians don’t care what a Christian based religion like Protestantism thinks. You’re only a little closer to the truth than Mormons are. Your future will be “away from me I never knew you”.

    • RRB

      “Thou shalt not judge…for it is the right of God alone.”

    • DoneDoneThat

      Mine was Calvin…LOL…Just kidding.

    • https://twitter.com/RooForLife RooforLife

      Well Martin Luther wrote in one of writings that Jesus fornicated so he must not have been sola scriptura since its now where in the Bible that Jesus had sex with any woman.. Since Jesus was without blemish according to the Bible he would have to be married & he wasnt. Basically Martin Luther wrote that Jesus sinned.

    • Mike Feehan

      Oh really??? Is that what Ephesians 2:8 and 9 say as well as Romans 10:9 and Acts 4:12 as well as Titus 3:5??? No, those verses make NO MENTION of the Catholic Church….You are in a system which is following a BUNCH of man made rules and God speaks against doing that in Mark 7:13, Jeremiah 17:5 as well as Colossians 2:8…..WHY no BIBLES in the pews in your church??? Could it be because folks like myself and TONS of others have actually read it, specifically the books of Galatians, Romans, and Hebrews as well as others and seen all of the outright contradictions between what the BIBLE says and what your church teaches??? Indulgences, purgatory, praying the rosary, Mary being sinless, praying for the dead, praying to the dead, infant baptism making one a child of god, (born again, what a JOKE THAT IS, read the Book of Acts…One must BELIEVE, HOW can a one or two month old believe…Again, a BUNCH OF MAN MADE traditions which are not scriptural, NOTHING NEW THERE..)

      Presbyters first called priests by Lucian……2nd century..

      2… Sacerdotal mass instituted by Cyprian..3rd century

      3… Prayers for the dead—-A.D. 300

      4….Making the sign of the cross—A.D. 300

      5… Wax candles—-A.D. 320

      6….Veneration of angels, dead saints, and images…A.D. 375

      7…Mass became a daily ritual—A.D. 394

      8…Beginning of exaltation of Mary, term “Mother of God” first applied to her by Council of Ephesus….A.D. 431

      9….Priests began to wear special clothing—A.D. 500

      10..Extreme Unction (Rite of Healing)….A.D. 526

      11….The doctrine of purgatory….A.D. 593

      12… Latin used in worship….A.D. 600

      13..Prayers offered to Mary, dead saints and angels…A.D. 600

      14…First man to be proclaimed Pope…(Boniface III) A.D. 610

      15…Kissing the Pope’s feet…..A.D. 709

      16….Temporal power of Popes, conferred by Pepin, King of the Franks…..A.D. 750

      17..Veneration of cross, images, relics authorized…A.D. 786

      18…Holy Water, mixed with pinch of salt, chrism, and blessed by a priest…A.D. 850

      19….Venerations of St. Joseph—A.D. 890

      20…College of Cardinals begun—A.D. 927

      21…Baptism of bells instituted by Pope John X111…A.D. 965

      22…Canonization of dead saints by Pope John XV….A.D. 995

      23…Fasting on Fridays and Lent….A.D. 998

      24….The Mass developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory…A.D. 11TH century…

      25…Celibacy of priests declared….A.D. 1079

      26…Rosary adopted (pagan) by Peter the Hermit….A.D. 1090

      27…The Inquisition instituted by Council of Verona….A.D. 1184

      28….Sale of indulgences….A.D 1190..

      29….Seven Sacraments, defined by Peter Lombard….12th century

      30….Transubstantiation, defined by Innocent III…A.D. 1215..

      31…Auricular confession (Rite of Reconciliation of sins to a priest instead of God, instituted by Innocent III A.D. 1215

      32….Adoration of the wafer (called the Host) decreed by Pope Honorius III….A.D. 1220

      33…Scapular invented by Simon Stock of England…A.D. 1251

      34…The cup forbidden to the laity at communion by the Council of Florence…..A.D. 1439

      35…Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence in A.D 1439

      36…***Traditions declared of EQUAL AUTHORITY with the BIBLE by the Council Of Trent…A.D. 1545

      37…Apocryphial books added to the Bible by the Council of Trent….A.D. 1546

      38…Creed of Pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed in place of the original Apostolic Creed….A.D. 1560

      39….Immaculate Conception of Mary (not virgin birth) proclaimed by Pope Pius IX…A.D. 1854

      40….Syllabus of Errors proclaimed by Pope Pius IX, and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press, and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the Pope’s temporal authority over all civil rulers….A.D. 1864..

      41….Infallibility of the Pope in matters of faith and morals claimed by the Vatican Council….A.D. 1870…

      42…Assumption of Mary proclaimed by Pope Pius XII….A.D. 1950…..

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  • Dan Jones

    Those who follow the Pope do not realize they are following the beast of Revelation… Just look at all the idols in Catholic Churches… Peter’s toe has been kissed so much in 500 years its almost gone… no they don’t worship them idols…

    Always be a true light that is shininginthedark

    • Madeline

      So say you Dan Jones. Was Peter -the 1st Pope- upon whom Jesus declared he would build his Church the 1st beast of Revelation? At which point in history did the papacy become the “beast”?

      • kenster777

        I personally do not know if the Pope is the beast but I have seen him join himself to the Muslim religion who are Anti-Christ propagating the one Church system.

        Also concerning Peter, he was Greatly used by the Lord in the Ministry but Apostle Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles, confirmed in the Book of Acts and through Peter’s epistles. So unless you are a Jew,.
        Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles, which was given to him by the Grace of God.
        as stated in Galatians 2.
        But it is wise to not follow any man especially those with self proclaimed titles Popes, Reverend, Doctor, Cardinal etc.

        Jesus is the Only Mediator to which God the Father will hear John 14.
        He is the one who died on the Cross for you and me look to him only for your Salvation through his Blood. Ephesians 1:7.
        Do not give glory to any earthen vessel their is no other name you can be saved but through Christ Jesus.
        Work out your own Salvation with Fear and Trembling.

  • Bernie

    “…acknowledge that Mary’s ASCENSION is not found in the Scriptures…” –Pastor Gendron or the writer, makes an important mistake by twice (I think, twice) using the word ‘ascension’ when the correct term is ‘assumption’. It’s an important distinction that needs to be understood: Christ ‘ascended’ to heaven, Mary was ‘assumed’. Mary was taken up to heaven (by the Trinity); she did not ascend of her own power (except, of course her free will “Be it done unto me…”) Nothing that Catholics believe about Mary has Mary doing anything of her own power. She is actually a good example of the Catholic and Protestant doctrine of God’s “grace alone”. (Yes that is a core Catholic doctrine.) By the grace of God Mary was saved by Christ before her conception. By the grace of God she was born without Original Sin or the predilection to sin. Because she was saved by Christ and preserved from sin during her earthly life she was assumed into heaven –as we all will be (those who remain faithful), at the end of time. Protestants, generally, overreact when it comes to Mary. The Eastern (Orthodox) and Roman Catholic Churches have held this belief (as well as the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception) from the earliest centuries of Christianity although the Orthodox have not officially declared the two beliefs as doctrines. Some of the fathers of the church did oppose the idea of the Immaculate Conception.

  • Reason2012

    // By the grace of God Mary was saved by Christ before her conception

    A claim contradicted by the Bible.

    “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
    Romans 3:10-12

    The catholic doctrine changes it to “There is only one Righteous: Mary. There is only one that understandeth, there is only one that seeketh after God: Mary. Everyone else but her are all gone out of the way. Everyone but Mary has become unprofitable. There is none but Mary that doeth good. No, not one but Mary”.

    Even Mary points out that she needed a savior:

    “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”
    Luke 1:46-47

    Do not follow any denomination like catholicism that spends time lifting up other people as co-redeemers with Christ, or as sinless, or to be prayed to as if they are omniscient. Defend God / Christ and His Word, not other people instead.

  • Justin Modglin

    I’m certain in my heart, by God’s gift of faith in Christ, that there is no wrong and only right in honoring Jesus Christ’s earthly mother.

    All the anger and disdain in this article and in these comments, by Catholics and non-Catholics, is not what Christ would want.

    What character from the bible do you folks think is laughing his way into our prideful hearts as we place ourselves over each other?

    Who is humble here?

  • Gena B

    wow, I wonder how God feels about his statements?

  • peanut butter

    Wow! This Pope…

  • lizk

    read the BIBLE the word of God. He is very clear about what He says if people are truly seeking the truth. God is LOVE his word is TRUE and God is the says yesterday today and for ever more. He does not change like people. Everything should be checked according to God’sword. There are people who twist the character of God and also His word and many are deceived.God says what He means and means what He says. Read about Noah’s day what people were like, he preached 120 years and once Noah and his sons went into the Ark God closed the door of probation.and at the end of time God will destroy the wicked because they did not repent o their sins. That is not what God wants to do because He would rather have people to to to Him and He can change us. We need to put on Christ’s righteousness.

  • Ax2root

    Doctrines of demons oppose The Word of God

  • Chet

    He can maintain whatever he pleases but he cannot find scriptural support for his opinion in God’s Word, the Holy Bible. There is one God and one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. And unlike the Pope’s feelings, scripture bears this truth out… See it at 1 Timothy 2:5

  • http://maxfurr.com HobbesianWorld

    Sounds like the confused arguing with the befuddled. Both Protestantism and Catholicism (in other words, Christianity) have fundamental, internal inconsistencies, not the least of which is that the OT god, which is supposed to be the same NT god, loved all the world. But there is also the convenient “errors” in translations.

    Protestants should recall that it was the Catholic Church that put the Bible together, accepting some books with which they agreed and rejecting others–virtually all had unknown (anonymous) writers (unauthenticated).

  • Rev Donald Spitz

    As is says in the article, All have sinned. Romans 3:23

  • https://twitter.com/RooForLife RooforLife

    For All Have Sinned

    A Refutation of the Attack on the Immaculate Conception of Mary from Romans 3:23

    (Based on a talk by Karlo Broussard on Catholic Answers Live on 2/11/08)

    Many people reject the Catholic doctrine of the
    Immaculate Conception and argue that Mary was not born sinless and that
    she did not remain sinless all of her life. In support of their
    position, they often quote a passage from Paul’s Letter to the Romans
    which declares, “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23)

    However, does this passage really prove that Mary could not have been without sin? And is this really what Paul intended to teach in this passage? Let’s take a closer look.

    The primary question to be asked concerning Romans 3:23 is this: When the Bible uses the word “all”, does it necessarily exclude exceptions? The answer is “no” as several scripture passages suggest.

    For example, Matthew 3:5 tells us, “People went out
    to him from Jerusalem and all Judea and the whole region of the Jordan.”
    Does this mean that there were no places from which people did not go
    out to see Jesus? This is not likely. The author attempted to convey an
    idea that a large number of people went out to see Jesus by using
    hyperbole.

    Similarly, 1 Corinthians 15:22 says, “For as
    in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.” Does this mean
    that every single person ever born will die? Well, the Bible tells us
    that Enoch and Elijah were taken up into heaven without dying, so we
    know that obviously not all die because these two exceptions
    exist. From this, we know that the Bible does not necessarily exclude
    exceptions when it uses the word, “all”.

    Returning to Romans 3:23, we should ask further whether Paul intended to
    exclude exceptions when he used the word, “all”, or is he using it in a
    non-absolute way? To understand the context of Paul’s thought, we
    should look at Romans 3:10-12 wherein he quotes Psalm 14:2-3: “As
    it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no
    one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away; they
    have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even
    one.”

    Does Paul really believe that there no righteous
    people? Of course not! The Bible tells us that Joseph was a just man (Mt
    1:19), John the Baptist’s parents, Zechariah and Elizabeth, were
    declared righteous (Luke 1:19), and Psalm 14 goes on to speak of “the
    company of the righteous” in verse 5 while Psalm 15 references those who
    walk blamelessly and do what is right. So, if Paul is using the word
    “all” to mean “absolutely no exceptions”, then he is using the word very
    differently from the verses he quoted from Psalm 14 and from other
    passages of scripture.

    Finally, it is also reasonable for us to assume that
    Paul would agree that infants and those who are mentally deficient
    cannot sin personally—two additional exceptions to the concept of “all”
    having sinned.

    Therefore, when Paul uses the word, “all”, it is obvious that he is not
    attempting to declare that every single individual who ever lives will
    be guilty of committing personal sin; rather, he is attempting to
    communicate with clarity the universality of sin and the idea that both
    Jews and Gentiles alike are sinners before God. He is not attempting to
    exclude the possibility of exceptions.

    Thus, the word “all” in Romans 3:23 cannot be used to disprove the doctrine of sinlessness of Mary.

  • Seniorsquadldr

    How much more proof do you need, Catholics are NOT Christians they are Catholics, led by an acolyte of the deceiver, Satan. You Catholics get on your knees and give me 1,000,00 Hail Marys, then light 100,000 candles, for sale in the parish gift shop. The parish priest will hear your confession. What a hoot! P.S. make your reservations now while good seats in purgatory, are still available. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.” Eph. 2:8 “Not of works, least any man should boast.” Eph. 2:9 “Verily, Verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3. “Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.” John 3:7

    • Mike Wyatt

      who let the dogs out what a big troll

  • Seniorsquadldr

    The pope is a sinner. The pope is an anti-Christ, dress wearing, transvestite, looking very gay in his easter bonnet.

  • Mike Wyatt

    The Catholic Church does everything we are like a big super mega mall. Open 24 hours 7 days and thrice on Sundays. We were given the keys of the Church . The Church came before the bible. The Product came before the instruction manual smile chuckle. That stopped no one we learnt from the spoken word before the written word came about a little while later. Mary was acknowledged in the Salvation plan. What an honour. The word was made flesh and dwelt among us. So so powerful. Mary whether you bible bashing hippos like it or not deserves to be honoured. Mothers have to go through a lot. Mary supported and followed and loved Jesus her son HER SON yes her very own son. God the Father and God the Son and the Holy Spirit the Triune God are firmly embedded in the Catholic Faith. Pope Francis is a giant that strides this planet and everything he says is consistent with the bible. Infact he carries a small one in his pocket. Journalists asked him to empty his pockets and he did. Thats what they found. But he has a profound working knowledge of the Bible and so he has put on the word and wears it comfortably. Now to all you Catholic bashers out their check all your prejudices and false concepts and ideas. Meet some good apologists of the Catholic faith and we will step you through everything fearlessly. My Father has a house of many mansions. On the ground floor there are the atheists and those who believe in a god. The protestants are just up to the second floor. The Catholics are on the top floor partying and praising God. There are many sinners among us by God is a merciful abundantly sharing God. Come up you Protestants and join us there is always room for one or two more sinners. OOps there is another vacancy as we speak. Get in and beat the rush,but leave your arrogance and prejudices at the door. We don’t need any bigoted big heads as you won’t fit all your baggage in. You need to let go and let God be the judge. Some of you have decided that you been given the self appointed right to judge us before God does on the judgement day. We that is not going to go down well for you when confront the judgement day and find there are so many Catholics who are ready with their entry visas stamped. It will be too late by then for you to back track and apologize. So get used to it make room in your hearts be expansive and humble and open minded and open hearted now. There are descriptions too many and varied which say in God’s word that he preferred the sinner at the back of the church to the hypocrites in the middle and front of the churches and synagogues who paraded themselves and placed burdens on others and made narrow minded judgments. I don’t expect anything I will say will make any difference to you harden arteries which are steeped in your own calcified thinking. But everyday I see hearts hungering for God. I meet Buddhist people every day who have been sidetracked by teachings that are far removed from a God head understanding and here us Christians are bickering over a few words here and there. What a scandal. There are more Buddhists and Hindus and Muslims streaming into Heaven because their hearts and minds have never been exposed to the wonderful salvific words of Christians who are the open book they will ever read. Where? by their lives thats where. No body argued anyone or bible bashed anyone into heaven and to being saved. You need to show respect for people and meet them in their hurt and you have to get them in the palm of God’s hand. to help them reach out. This is a Catholic talking not a jet setting Protestant evangelist who is lining his pockets talking. We have to live out our days in fear and trembling of the big judgement day. I have probably blown my chances by emailing this email but I am banking on a wonderful awesome abundantly merciful God who will squeak me in the gates. Praise be Jesus and the Virgin Mary