Johns Hopkins Psychiatrists Assert There Is No ‘Scientific Evidence’ People Are Born Homosexual

McHugh-compressedBALTIMORE, Md. — Two psychiatrists from Johns Hopkins University assert in a new report that there is no scientific evidence to support that people are born homosexual or innately oriented to have sexual relations with the same gender.

The report, Sexuality and Gender: Findings from the Biological, Psychological, and Social Sciences, was written by Dr. Lawrence Mayer and Dr. Paul McHugh and published in The New Atlantis.

“Some of the most widely held views about sexual orientation, such as the ‘born that way’ hypothesis, simply are not supported by science,” the men write. “The literature in this area does describe a small ensemble of biological differences between non-heterosexuals and heterosexuals, but those biological differences are not sufficient to predict sexual orientation, the ultimate test of any scientific finding.”

Mayer and McHugh state that their conclusion is based on 200 peer-reviewed studies in matters such as epidemiology, genetics, psychiatry and neuroscience, as well as embryology.

In their report, they criticize what they call the “common assumption that sexual desires, attractions, or longings reveal some innate and fixed feature of our biological or psychological constitution, a fixed sexual identity or orientation,” finding even the phrase “sexual orientation” to be ambiguous and without “widely accepted scientific definitions.”

“Furthermore, we may have some reasons to doubt the common assumption that in order to live happy and flourishing lives, we must somehow discover this innate fact about ourselves that we call sexuality or sexual orientation, and invariably express it through particular patterns of sexual behavior or a particular life trajectory,” Mayer and McHugh write.

They also express doubt that one is born in the wrong body, that “there is no evidence that all children who express gender-atypical thoughts or behavior should be encouraged to become transgender.” Rather, the psychologists note that the philosophy that gender is a “social construct” grew out of the feminist movement.

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“This idea has been an important part of a feminist movement to reform or eliminate traditional gender roles,” Mayer and McHugh write, pointing to several feminist literary works.

But they note that atypical behavior, such as when girls tend to be tomboys or boys play with effeminate toys, does not change the person’s real sex.

“The underlying basis of maleness and femaleness is the distinction between the reproductive roles of the sexes; in mammals such as humans, the female gestates offspring and the male impregnates the female,” Mayer and McHugh outline. “More universally, the male of the species fertilizes the egg cells provided by the female of the species.”

“This conceptual basis for sex roles is binary and stable, and allows us to distinguish males from females on the grounds of their reproductive systems, even when these individuals exhibit behaviors that are not typical of males or females,” they explain.

In an introductory video to the study, the men note that further studies are needed on these matters as societal declarations that one’s particular proclivities in regard to sexuality and gender are innate may not be accurate.

“I think that in the transgender world and in the world of both heterosexual and homosexual life, the assumption that science has given us full answers and it is complete, is closing off debate about what further science is needed, [and] what the nature of the contemporary science really is,” McHugh states.

“The claim that it is settled now, that the issue such as born that way, or you’re fixed, or it’s immutable—there is no evidence from that science that those things are correct,” he says.

Psalms 51:5 teaches mankind, “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.” Jesus also outlined in John 3 that since all men are born in sin being descendants of Adam, and by their very nature have tendencies to distort God’s perfect design, they must be born again and receive a new nature.

“Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God,” Jesus said. “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born again.”


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  • Michael D Coxie

    stated so factually simple even a child could understand it w/o making a mistake

    • [email protected]

      and they are flat out wrong in what they claim. there is very much evidence that homosexuality is a natural and normal variation of human sexuality just like heterosexuality. while we do not know exactly how sexual orientation forms we do know that it is not a choice but rather a natural part of an individuals development.

      • Charles

        “while we do not know exactly how sexual orientation forms we do know that it is not a choice but rather a natural part of an individuals development.”

        If you don’t know how it’s formed, then how do you know it’s not a choice? Not a whole lot to stand on with that statement.

        • [email protected]

          I said we do not know exactly how it is formed. this is to say that it is a mix of genetic, epi-genetic, and biological factors and we do not know the exact mix. Bu not knowing the exact mix does not mean that we have no idea how it works, just that we do not know exactly. We then also know from tests and simply asking people that it is not a choice, in fact this is the easiest idea to rule out. people do not sit down and chose if they want to be attracted to the same sex or the other sex…they just are.

          • Charles

            So……

            “”we do not know exactly how it is formed. this is to say that it is a mix of genetic, epi-genetic, and biological factors and we do not know the exact mix.””

            “”Bu not knowing the exact mix does not mean that we have no idea how it works””

            Clearly, you don’t have ANY idea how it works. You admitted this in the first sentence.

            The Lord Jesus Christ can save you from any illness, this one is no exception.

          • [email protected]

            In what world does “not knowing exactly” translate to “don’t have any idea”….the two are not the same at all. the statement I made is backed by the evidence, the one that you made is not.

            at any rate given that the level of understanding on heterosexuality and homosexuality is the same there is no justification for acting like one is natural and normal while the other is something needing to be solved.

            secondly homosexuality is not an illness nor is there any evidence that would justify classifying it as such.

          • Charles

            “”In what world does “not knowing exactly” translate to “don’t have any idea””

            You’ve already admitted it. You don’t know if it’s genetic, epi-genetic, or biological. So therefore, you don’t know if they have any effect being combined, or if any are a factor at all.

            “”the statement I made is backed by the evidence””..

            Which is??????????

            “”secondly homosexuality is not an illness nor is there any evidence that would justify classifying it as such.””

            It was classified as such until 1973 in this country. So what changed??? Evidence? There isn’t any.

          • [email protected]

            for current evidence on sexual orientation google the response to this story from Warren Throckmorton: The New Atlantis Study on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity That’s Not a Study

            And now again, I admitted no such thing as you claim. Once again I said that all of those things were involved to some degree but that we do not know the exact mix. We do know that they are a factor and we do know that sexual orientation is not a choice. sorry that what I said was not clear but I hope that clears it up.

            Yes Homosexuality used to be classified as a mental illness however there was never anything to justify that classification and so it was removed from the list. simply put, homosexuality does not meet the definition of a mental disorder and so it should not be listed as one. Ironically much of the push to have homosexuality listed as a disorder was seen as a move that was supportive of gay people. it moved from homosexuality being a crime to being a disorder needing treatment but it never actually was a disorder which is why it was de-listed.

          • Michael D Coxie

            they say ignorance is bliss

          • [email protected]

            I would not know as the position I am supporting here is not based on ignorance but rather truth and knowledge.

          • Amos Moses

            “*(well unless it comes to food….in that case sure, ignorance can be bliss…I do not need to know every detail of how the meet I am about to eat got to be in that state 😉 ….)”

            which is why homosexuality is not “normal and healthy” …… you dont know what you are eating ……

          • [email protected]

            what i said there had nothing to do with sex. you do not need to read sex into everything. and yes, if someone is in a committed monogamous relationship they do know who they are having sex with.

          • Amos Moses

            “what i said there had nothing to do with sex.”

            and yet it did ………..

          • [email protected]

            only becasue you insist on trying to make everything about sex. But whatever, even then the point you tired to make did not work so go right ahead.

          • Michael D Coxie

            charles in other words it’s double talk because they are confused and they want others just as confused as they are to fit their own agenda.

          • Amos Moses

            No ….. its a mixture of the “B” and the “S” ………..

          • [email protected]

            so tell us…what causes heterosexuality? and what causes homosexuality?

          • Amos Moses

            Who told you there is a cause …………. men are sinners ….. they do not sin and so they are sinners ….. they are sinners and so they sin …… they were sinners before they were in the womb ……

          • [email protected]

            Okay but saying that we are all sinners does not explain why someone people would only be sexually attracted to the other sex while others would only be sexually attracted to the same sex. what explains that difference? If you are going to say that it is just temptation to sin then shouldn’t everyone feel sexual attraction to both sexes?

          • Amos Moses

            ” does not explain why someone people would only be sexually attracted to the other sex while others would only be sexually attracted to the same sex.”

            We are all attracted to sin ……… they chose their sin ………. what is so hard to understand …..

          • [email protected]

            Because they did not chose it. I did not sit down one day and decide that I was going to be sexually attracted to the same sex, I just was. So I know first hand that you saying it was a choice was wrong. it was not a choice. In the same way other guys I know who are heterosexual did not sit down and decide that they were going to be sexual attracted to females…they just were. So no, sexual orientation is not a choice and claiming that it is one simply does not stand up to any scrutiny.

          • Amos Moses

            “Because they did not chose it. I did not sit down one day and decide that I was going to be sexually attracted to the same sex, I just was. ”

            No …… you may not remember the decision …….. but you made one ….. you chose a particular sin ………. as a sinner ….. but there is forgiveness in Christ Jesus ………..

          • [email protected]

            No I did not, people do not chose their sexual orientation, they just naturally have one. there is no reason why I would have chosen to be gay, it was not approved of by my family or social circles, but it is just the sexual orientation I naturally had. to deny that is to deny reality.

          • Amos Moses

            “No I did not, people do not chose their sexual orientation”

            Yes …… they do CHOOSE to SIN …….. and you did …… to say you did not just means that you are a victim and are incapable of change ….. and that is just stupid and bovine scatology …… and a lie ……..

          • [email protected]

            people do chose to act on their sexual orientation but they do not chose their sexual orientation themselves. gay people do not wake up one day and decide that they want to be sexually attracted to guys and not girls. heterosexual guys do not wake up one day and decide that they want to be attracted to girls and not guys. it is just naturally there and when people hit puberty they find that they are sexually attracted to one or the other. if your ideology can not fit with that reality then you have good evidence that something is wrong with your ideology.

          • Amos Moses

            We all choose to sin and it only boils down to what sin we are going to pick ……. the rest is just trying to justify the choice of sin …….. and no more ….. your argument is “i had no choice, i am a victim, i am unable to change, it is not my fault” ……. it is all self-righteous baloney and you know it ………

          • [email protected]

            saying that sexual orientation is not a choice is not the same thing as saying that people must act on it. if people want to see it as being a sin they could commit to celibacy and chose not to act on it becasue they see it as a sin. but saying that they chose the orientation itself is just flat out wrong and frankly absurd.

          • Amos Moses

            “saying that sexual orientation is not a choice”

            “sexual orientation” is a lie …………. male and female is all there is …….. we are all “oriented” to SIN …….. and nothing else …… it comes down to which SIN is being chosen …….

          • [email protected]

            No sexual orientation is not a lie. yes there are males and females but some males are attracted to females while others are attracted to other males. Some females are attracted to males while others are attracted to other females. This is the difference that we call sexual orientation. Some people are oriented to wanting to have sex with the same sex while other people are oriented to wanting to have sex with the other sex.

            If you are going to say that there is no such thing as sexual orientation then you are basically saying that we are all bisexual, that we all could equally want to have sex with the same sex or the other sex. Well I know plenty of heterosexual guys who would disagree with you and tell you quite firmly that they have no interest in having sex with someone of the same sex. so clearly that is not the case, we are not all bisexual and there is differences in peoples sexual attraction and this is what we call sexual orientation.

          • Amos Moses

            “yes there are males and females but some males are attracted to females while others are attracted to other males.”

            No ……. just more lies …. we are attracted to SIN ………

          • [email protected]

            so you are going to claim that everyone is equally attracted to both men and women? that anyone could wake up one day and be “tempted” to have sex with someone of the same sex? that everyone has the same inclination and its just a matter of who “gives in to” the temptation or not? cause I will tell you right now I have never had any desire to have sex with someone of the other sex. just not something that I am at all interested in.

          • Amos Moses

            “anyone could wake up one day and be “tempted” to have sex with someone of the same sex? ”

            Everyone wakes up every day and they are attracted to SIN ………..

          • [email protected]

            Again that does nothing to address the fact that someone people only experience sexual attraction to the same sex while others only experience sexual attraction to the other sex. thus far you have said nothing that would explain this difference. this difference is what sexual orientation is. even if you want to say that it is a sin to act on it that does not change the fact that you still need to explain why some people experience sexual attraction to the same sex and others do not. saying “well we are all tempted in different ways” does NOT explain the difference at all.

          • Amos Moses

            ” nothing to address the fact that someone people only experience sexual attraction to the same sex”

            it addresses it perfectly …….. but you do not want to hear the truth ….. you want to conform reality to your lie ………… they are attracted and have chosen a SIN ………..

          • [email protected]

            It addresses nothing. If there is no such thing as sexual orientation but rather just temptation to sin then everyone should feel “temptations” to engage in sex with someone of the same sex. this is not at all the case. if it is only something that some people experience then you have to explain why. your answers consistently ignore the reality that some people experience sexual attraction to the same sex while others do not.

          • Amos Moses

            All you want to do is conform “reality” to your lie …… so it is not reality ……….. “experience” and “feelings” are not reality or truth ……….. SSA is just a sin …. a sin you are attracted to … not everyone is attracted to the same sin …….

          • TheKingOfRhye

            [email protected]: “some people experience sexual attraction to the same sex while others do not.”

            you: “not everyone is attracted to the same sin”

            So, okay, you’re actually agreeing with him, except you call it a sin, and he doesn’t.

          • Amos Moses

            What bill does is try to mix truth and lie …………. so no ………. we do not agree on even one level ………. if part of what he says is a lie ….. it is all lie …………..

          • TheKingOfRhye

            So then you’re saying people do have a choice in who they are attracted to?

          • [email protected]

            Okay so here is the world according to Amos: humans all start off as non-sexual beings and then some humans are tempted by sexual attraction to the same sex while other humans are tempted by sexual attraction to the other sex. There is no rhyme or reasons as to which happens to you, just different people are tempted in different ways so it could happen to anyone. Now if you are tempted by sexual attraction to the other sex the good news is that it is not a sin as long as you channel it into marriage. If you are attracted to the same sex then it is always a sin so get used to the idea of celibacy.

            as said by the king that is basically the same thing as saying people have a sexual orientation, its just that you refer to them as temptation to sin as opposed to a natural thing.

          • Amos Moses

            NOPE ………….. the world is not according to Amos ………… it is according to Christ ….. and it is not according to your lies and attempts to conform reality to your lies ……….

          • Kevan Massey

            If they would all sit down and study the first chapter of Romans, they would learn so much, but they don’t want to hear or learn the truth about themselves…

          • Amos Moses

            They have scales over their eyes and their ears are stopped up ………

          • Kevan Massey

            Just as left handed people could choose to learn right handedness, we don’t because it’s just easier not to. So with homosexuals. They choose the easiest course for them and that is guiltless sex with the same gender. It’s just easier for them to deal with. It is nothing but a choice. Nothing else. Every gay person I have known is sooo confused. And not just about sexuality. They have problems.
            Jesus Christ would help with that, but they prefer the road of least resistance for themselves.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            You know my friends 4 year old boy has a girlfriend, it’s adorable. You think he chooses to be hetero? A 4 year old could make that choice, or is it just a feeling like billion of people feel when the fall in love?

          • Amos Moses

            he was made hetero ……….he chooses to continue ….. but seriously …….that is not a sexual relationship ……. and they do not even understand the “love” you are referring too …. and it is a false analogy …………… and you know it ………….

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            By whom, your God? If that is true, your God made homosexuals too.

          • Amos Moses

            Nope ………. they made themselves homosexual ……….

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I thought you once told me that homosexuality itself is not a choice, that it’s God’s way of punishing people for some other kind of sin.

          • Amos Moses

            Nope ……… i said people are not homosexuals and so they are lost ….. they are lost and so are homosexuals ……. they choose to sin …… homosexuality is not a disease …. it is the symptom of the disease …. the disease is being lost ….. to be lost is to be in sin ….. but homosexuality is not punishment, it is judgement for abandonment of God and His ways …………… not the same thing ………

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I guess I still don’t understand what you’re saying. Are you or are you not saying God makes people gay, because of some sin they have done? That’s the impression I got from Romans 1….”God gave them up” and all that.

          • Amos Moses

            God makes people ….. people are sinners and choose sin …………..

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Doesn’t really answer my question.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            I’ll take it he forgot.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So heterosexuality is a sin too? So everybody goes to your hell, no matter if they have hetero sex or gay sex? Right, got it.

          • Amos Moses

            Heterosexuality outside of marriage is a sin … yes ……. no …. everybody who is given the gift of repentance and whose mind is changed by Christ does not “go to hell” ….. there is no universal salvation …… and though we are all condemned …… Christ will save those who belong to Him ….. Every one of them …..

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          Could you choose to be homosexual? I couldn’t, it’s not in my genes.

      • Michael D Coxie

        and they were drawn away of their own lust men laying with men women laying with women this ought NOT TO BE. JOHN’S HOPKINS CONFIRMS what the bible taught ALL ALONG. how about that???

        • [email protected]

          John Hopkins confirms no such thing. first off this comes from two people who work there, not the institution itself. secondly they have no original research here, just their take on the existing research and thirdly it is a misrepresentation of even what they did to claim that homosexuality is a choice as even they said no such thing.

          • Michael D Coxie

            i’ll stick w/ what the bible has to say about the subject it is the MOST AUTHORITATIVE on the subject and hasn’t lied yet. please re read my above quote

          • [email protected]

            The bible does not say that homosexuality is not a naturally occurring sexual orientation. I would also argue that the Bible does not teach a blanket ban on homosexuality. That in some cases it can be sin just like in some cases heterosexual sex can be sin but not that there is a blanket ban on homosexuality. this is a view that is growing as people take another look at the issue and re-consider old assumptions.

          • Michael D Coxie

            read the account of sodom and gomorrah it’s pretty blunt and to the point about homosexuality and it’s punishment. the bible also refers to the sin of homosexuality as a GREAT SIN. it doesn’t refer to ANY other sin this way.

          • [email protected]

            For Sodom and Gomorrah many sins are listed for the cities and homosexuality or a word meaning the same thing is never listed. The entire case for claiming that the sin was homosexuality is based on the men of the city wanting to rape the angels and that interpretation would be like taking a reference to a man raping a woman to mean that all heterosexuality is a sin and should be avoided. Imagine for a moment that the angels in the story looked like women. Would we read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and come away with the conclusion that heterosexuality is a terrible sin? Of course not and so likewise we should not do the same here either. Secondly male on male rape does not mean that the rapist was homosexual. Indeed often the offender in male on male rape, and even more so then was heterosexual and was using the rape as a display of power and dominance over the victim. Even if they people of Sodom did not know that the men were angels they at least knew they were men of God and so attempting to rape them would essentially be the same as trying to display power and dominance over God, and that certainly offers a clear picture into why they would be seen as exceedingly wicked.

            Also where exactly does the Bible refer to homosexuality as a “great sin” in a way that is not used for any other sin?

            thanks.

  • Amos Moses

    Waiting for the LGBLTQRSTUVWXZY agenda promoting cadre to show up and denounce this as ………. well you know what they will say …. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ….. oh, and blah, blah, woof, woof …

    • Ambulance Chaser

      No, they don’t say that.

  • Amos Moses

    Since “gay marriage” has been “law” ………

    Men who have sex with men (MSM) represented 90% of all syphilis cases in 2015, with a 232% increase in diagnosis over the last five years, said the report. More than half of the MSM diagnosed with syphilis in 2015 were also infected with HIV, and over half additionally tested positive for a separate STI. Rates in heterosexuals remain stable but are higher than ideal.
    It’s 2016. Safe sex campaigns and targeted prevention efforts are in place. Sexual health care is free and accessible to both high and low risk groups. So what is going on?

    The basic science can’t be sugar coated. More condomless sex leads to higher rates of syphilis, (and gonorrhoea, chlamydia, HIV … the list goes on). Untreated syphilis means the disease continues to be passed on and leads to potentially horrifying long-term medical complications. Action is needed now to address the reasons behind these patterns, particularly in MSM, the group most affected.

    In MSM, higher numbers of partners is a key reason behind the heavily inflated rates, compounded by the use of apps such as Grindr, venue based and group sex. The reported increased use of Chemsex (recreational drugs used during sex) is also of concern, lowering sexual inhibitions and making the likelihood of using a condom less likely.

    Another worrying phenomenon is “sero-sorting” – when men choose partners who have the same HIV status, in theory negating the need to use a condom. However, this puts both partners at high risk of contracting a plethora of STIs.

    Because it is “normal and healthy and good” and “marriage” fixes all the “wrong” done to them ….

    • [email protected]

      if you are concerned about health risks among gay people then you should be a big supporter of marriage for same sex couples. we know that increasing rates of monogamy and increasing rates of stable, long term relationships is a big part of reducing rates of STI’s and STD’s. Marriage plays a big part in supporting both monogamy and long term stable relationships. Full marriage equality has only been around for a little over a year. many gay couples are just now able to take advantage of marriage as an option. so you are not going to see the impact of marriage overnight but it certainly will help to promote health and so the more it is supported the larger that impact will be.

      • Amos Moses

        “if you are concerned about health risks among gay people then you should be a big supporter of marriage for same sex couples.”

        There is no such thing …… as this article points out ……….. “marriage for same sex couples” has made no difference ….. and for good reason …… it means nothing to them as far as being monogamous …… and the problem is not lack of “marriage” ……. it is an unhealthy practice in any context ……….. and yes ….. i am concerned ….. but apparently …. they are not …..

        • [email protected]

          This does not at all point out that marriage for same sex couples has made no difference. there is plenty of evidence that shows how marriage supports monogamy and encourages more stable and long term relationships. as I said before you will not see that impact overnight as it only recently became available for gay people nationwide but these is certainly no reason to expect that it will not have any impact.

          Secondly no, homosexuality is not an unhealthy practice in any context, sexual behavior either heterosexual or homosexual can entail risks but those risks can also be protected agasint.

          • Amos Moses

            “there is plenty of evidence that shows how marriage supports monogamy and encourages more stable and long term relationships.”

            Sure ……. just not among homosexuals ……

            “as I said before you will not see that impact overnight as it only recently became available for gay people nationwide but these is certainly no reason to expect that it will not have any impact.”

            Except ………. this is from the UK ….. where “homomarriage” has been legal since 2013 …………. so again ………… just not among homosexuals ……..

          • [email protected]

            There is absolutely no reason to believe or evidence to show that marriage only supports monogamy and stable long term relationships among heterosexual couples. the exact same functions of marriage impact gay couples to increase permanence and encourage monogamy. To baselessly claim that it has no positive impact for gay couples is just to believe a myth becasue you want to believe it. Because you want to cite health risks as a reason to oppose gay rights but refuse to recognize that the way you deal with those risks is to support same sex marriage, not to oppose it.

            since 2013…..yes that is still very recent when it comes to the ability to do research. I would also note that the health data you cited in no way was comparing married same sex couples to unmarried gay people and their sexual behavior. not all gay people are married and you can not use data on their sexual health to talk about gay married couples.

          • Amos Moses

            “There is absolutely no reason to believe or evidence to show that marriage only supports monogamy and stable long term relationships among heterosexual couples.”

            Marriage is only between heterosexual couples ….. and anything outside of that is just a lie …..

            ” the exact same functions of marriage impact gay couples to increase permanence and encourage monogamy. ”

            If they are married and not homomarried …… not the samething …….. never was and never will be ….. homosexuals do not define marriage the way it is supposed to be …… and consequently they do not define monogamy the way it is supposed to be ……… they have a different “homo-monogamy” ……. their own definition of monogamy …… so it fails ….. and an over 200% increase in syphilis among other STIs is the evidence ……………

          • [email protected]

            Marriage is in fact not only between heterosexual couples and there are thousands upon thousands of gay marriages to prove it. Marriage used to only be between heterosexual couples but that is no longer the case, the definition of who can marry changed to include same sex couples when the law changed. and no it is not “just a lie” civil marriage is determined by the law and so if the law says that gay couples can get married then they can get married.

            and yes same sex marriage and heterosexual marriage are the same thing, two different gender make ups but the same thing non the less. the fact that you do not like same sex marriage does not make those marriages any less real nor does it change how those marriages function.

          • Amos Moses

            “Marriage is in fact not only between heterosexual couples and there are thousands upon thousands of gay marriages to prove it.”

            And there are thousands upon thousands of gay marriages to prove that they are all a lie ….. thousands upon thousands agreeing to a lie does not change a lie into the truth …….. and it only makes those who believe the lie liars …………….

          • [email protected]

            So in your book who or what must recognize a marriage for it to be a real marriage?

            a marriage is real when a valid authority to grant the status of marriage grants that status. in the case of civil marriage that authority belongs to those who make the law and rule on the law. so to say that these marriages are a lie is just flat out wrong. you could say that they are not a marriage in the eyes of (X) and then say that (X) is the only thing that matters but even then that would only mean that it is not a marriage in the eyes of (X) while it is still a marriage in the eyes of others.

          • Amos Moses

            Any authority saying marriages include homomarriage …… has abandoned its authority …………

          • [email protected]

            and on what basis do you say that?

          • Amos Moses

            on the basis that it is true …………..

            “But we are not under a theocracy”

            Yes … you are …. it is a satanic theocracy ….. but you choose not to recognize it …..

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Really? The Constitution establishes that Satan’s word is what this country operates under? Article and Section Number, please.

          • Amos Moses

            Scripture ….. not the constitution ……..

          • Tangent002

            The Constitution allows your religion to have the voice it does, you just cannot have a preferred status.

          • Amos Moses

            No …… the constitution does not allow that ….. God does ……. the constitution just recognizes it ….. our rights do not flow from the constitution …… they flow from God …… the constitution only enumerates them …… and if it were not for christian influence ….. you would not have even that …………….

          • Tangent002

            The Constitution was largely inspired by the Principles of the Enlightenment that discarded religious dogma in favor of personal liberty and equality. The only role your religion played was inspiring that rebellion.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            The American government is dictated by scripture?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Your scripture is not law, thankfully.

          • Amos Moses

            Yep ………. satans scripture is ……….. and you seem to approve …….. so …………….

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            What Satan? Since I don”t believe in your God, what makes you think I believe on your Satan?

          • Amos Moses

            If you do not believe in God …… “I don”t believe in your God” ….. be default ….. you serve satan …… willingly or unwillingly …… knowingly or unknowingly …… there is no vacuum ….. no gray area ….. no middle ground to stand on …… have fun ………

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            ROFLMAO!!! Oh yeah, having loads of fun right now, I’ll keep laughing at your comments. You do realise telling this all to someone who doesn’t believe is laughable, right?

          • Amos Moses

            Sure …. and it just shows your rejection of truth ……… and affirms what i said …… nature …. science …. abhors a vacuum ….. there is no middle ground ……… it will be filled by another force ….. get rid of good …… evil will fill the void ….. it is inevitable …… it is Newtonian …..

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Rejection of your truth? Yes I do. And again your rambling has no effect on me whatsoever. But hey, keep trying.

          • Amos Moses

            There is no “my truth” and there is no “your truth” ……… Again ….. Truth does not recognize a person …….. and your statement is fallacious ….. truth applies to everyone regardless if they believe it or not ……….. and even if NO ONE believed it ….. truth is not determined by majority vote …… it applies ……….. your “feelings” do not determine truth …… and truth is actually abhorrent to you ….. because you reject it ….. you are free to believe the “truth” that if step off a building gravity will not affect you …………. good luck with that ……..

          • Amos Moses

            Do you want chapter and verse ……….

          • [email protected]

            and who says it is true? what authority are you citing to say who can and can not grant the recognition of marriage?

            and no, a democratic republic is not a satanic theocracy.

          • Amos Moses

            Common sense says it is true ….. logic says it is true ….. heterosexuality is the law of nature and natures God …………. heterosexuality procreates ………. homosexuality ……….. not so much …… heterosexuality creates new members of a society ….. homosexuality …… not at all ….. it destroys society …….. so that as law, is it law? ……. YUUUUUUUUPPPPPP ……….. and it is an immutable law …………..

            “and no, a democratic republic is not a satanic theocracy.”

            it is not a “democratic republic” ……….. fail ………

          • Amos Moses

            Heterosexuality …… procreating human beings since the beginning …. Billions and Billions procreated ………

            Homosexuality …………. wait for it ……………………. ZERO …….

            hard to argue with the statistics …………………. or the math ….. and lies and liars always lose ……………

          • [email protected]

            Yes heterosexuality can lead to natural reproduction and homosexuality can not, no one is arguing that. But that fact does NOTHING for your argument at all. the ability to procreate is not a requirement to be granted marriage. nor is procreation an individual requirement but rather a species level requirement meaning that no, we do not need everyone to reproduce nor does one need to reproduce in order to live a full life, or to contribute to society, or to be married.

            So that homosexuality is not tied to reproduction is not an argument agasint homosexuality becasue having a subset of the population that is homosexual in no way impairs or lessens the ability of humanity to reproduce itself or to continue the species.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            A Satanic theocracy? Somewhat of a contradiction in terms, considering modern Satanists are really agnostics and atheists, but anyway, if that were really the case, we would have had same-sex marriage legalized a lot sooner.

            “The Church of Satan is the first church to fully accept members
            regardless of sexual orientation and so we champion weddings/civil
            unions between adult partners whether they be of opposite or the same
            sex. So long as love is present and the partners wish to commit to a
            relationship, we support their desire for a legally recognized
            partnership, and the rights and privileges which come from such a union.” – Peter H. Gilmore, High Priest of the Church of Satan, 2004

          • Amos Moses

            satan is only allowed to progress as far as God will allow him ………. what has kept it at bay was the christians in this country …… the christians are being corrupted by satans attacks on the church and the church is allowing it to occur …… dim lights, laser light shows, satanic music, bells and whistles, and a corrupted bible teaching …… truely, if you want to know who to blame for it …… it is us ….. it is the so called christian church ….. we have no one to look to but ourselves ……… many have abandoned doctrine and taken up apostasy, abandonment of truth ….. and the interesting part is …. scripture says this will occur ….. lending credence to scripture being true ……

            4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
            4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
            4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

          • ShemSilber

            You can say that again, Brother Amos. You are one of the voices in the wilderness, speaking up in the face of these evils that we have given in to, and the Master will surely bless you for it, omein.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    It’s wrong for the bored nudist rich West to push homosexual immorality upon mankind. People have rights to God’s truth and to sane morality that protects children. The West has no human rights or freedom when they do not adhere the Holy Bible. No submission to perv Western culture. It’s the worst form of slavery that mankind has to ever encounter. The West needs Christianity for fairness and freedom and morality. Last time the battle was against racism. This time the battle is against systematic immorality.

    • [email protected]

      Homosexuality is not a threat to children. Human rights and freedom means that we do not live under a theocracy and we do not ban things simply becasue a certain religious tradition sees it as a sin. Furthermore support for gay rights can in no way be described as a form of slavery.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Godless de-christianized West pushes abnormal sexual immorality among mankind using its filthy power and filthy money; the West has no sane morality apart from the religion of Christianity. The Westerners need to have humility before God. Humanism has been evil all along.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Exposure to homosexuality is a child-abuse because children have rights to innocence and morality. The West has no morality apart from Christianity; the culture only promotes blasphemy and infanticide and suicide and sexual immorality when it has no Christianity. The West forces Sodomy and punishes those who do not comply, and the West’s current Sodomic inclination is indeed slavery against mankind.

    • uninvitedguest

      blah blah blah blah blah blah

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      Read only this week three articles about children who where abused and all from hetero parents. And homosexuals are a threat to children? Yeah right!

      • Bob Johnson

        And I want to know where I can met some of these “bored nudist rich westerners.”

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Your perv parades. The Western civilization has no sense of shame apart from the religion of Christianity.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        The well-fed bored West’s abnormal inclination for homosexuality and transgenderism and sexual confusion is the proof of destructive lust over everything (Leviticus ch.18-20). Exposure to homosexuality is a child-abuse. Jesus cursed child-abusers. Please wake up and repent and trust in Jesus.

  • axelbeingcivil

    No, they didn’t… They agreed in their own paper that there is significant genetic and biochemical evidence of determining sexual orientation. They then went on to claim that, since there is a spectrum of sexual orientations, rather than the binary/trinary system most people use, they claim very few people are actually gay. They ascribe lack of absolute causation to social factors having an influence, without that much in the way of study.

    Good grief, how many times does this need to be corrected?

    • Ambulance Chaser

      This article even states itself “The literature in this area does describe a small ensemble of biological differences between non-heterosexuals and heterosexuals…”

  • [email protected]

    This is not new research but rather a piece that talks about existing research. it does so in a way that is not representative of what the science actually says and the conclusions it reaches are highly flawed. Warren Throckmorton posted a great reply to this supposed “new research” responding to the claims it makes, just google: The New Atlantis Study on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity That’s Not a Study to find that.

    what we do know is that homosexuality is a naturally occurring sexual orientation just like heterosexuality, that people do not chose their sexual orientation nor are they some kind of disorder needing to be fixed.

    • George

      whats your proof and evidence they are wrong?

      • [email protected]

        I can not link to the article but I included the reference to it in my response, feel free to take a look. the short answer is that they ignore a lot of important science and misrepresent other work and in truth we know that homosexuality is a natural and normal variation of human sexuality just like heterosexuality and while we do not know 100% exactly how sexual orientation forms we know that it is a natural process and that being gay is not a choice or a disorder or something that needs to be “fixed”

        • Amos Moses

          “we know that homosexuality is a natural and normal variation of human sexuality”

          ……and that the recent jump of 200%+ of syphilis in the UK of which 90% are homosexuals shows just how “homosexuality is a natural and normal variation of human sexuality” it is …….. it aint ……..

          ….. not to even mention the other STIs it comes with in the activity …..

          • Tangent002

            STDs are the result of unprotected sex. Homosexuality does not somehow ‘generate’ disease organisms.

          • Amos Moses

            They just spread them …… and are less likely to use “protection” ………. as the statistics point out ….. 90% of new infections from homosexuals is pretty good evidence ………

          • Tangent002

            Heterosexuals spread them too.

          • Amos Moses

            Yep …. but in the study ….. “Rates in heterosexuals remain stable but are higher than ideal.” …… and 90% was homosexual related……….

          • Tangent002

            Far, far more people die from easily preventable heart disease. Is it the sex that bothers you?

          • Amos Moses

            the truth does not bother me ………. but sure seems to bother you ….. you are one of the people fighting the truth ………..

          • Tangent002

            Your truth is your own, it does not apply to me.

          • Amos Moses

            Truth does not recognize a person …….. and your statement is fallacious ….. truth applies to everyone regardless if they believe it or not ……….. and even if NO ONE believed it ….. truth is not determined by majority vote …… it applies ……….. your “feelings” do not determine truth …… and truth is actually abhorrent to you ….. because you reject it ….. you are free to believe the “truth” that if step off a building gravity will not affect you …………. good luck with that ……..

          • Ambulance Chaser

            That’s completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.

          • Kevin Wimberley

            It’s not only relevant, but clearly designed that way by God and spelled out for us 2000 years ago. We reap what we sow when we lie about God and deceive ourselves because we love our sin.

            For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. Likewise, the men abandoned natural relations with women and burned with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. (Romans 1:26-27)

          • Ambulance Chaser

            The topic of discussion was whether homosexuality is normal and/or natural. Amos Moses chimed in with STD rates, which has nothing to do with the question.

            Your Bible quotes don’t either.

          • Tangent002

            The single greatest cause of death in America is heart disease due to obesity. Are you going to forbid marriage between fat people?

          • [email protected]

            Again the way to lessen health risks is to improve protective factors like increase access to marriage. It is absurd to on one hand cite health risks as a problem and then on the other hand oppose the very things that would encourage and promote greater sexual stability and thus safety.

          • Amos Moses

            Nope …. and here is the rub …….. homosexuals ….. are not listening to your recommendations …. and the evidence is the study cited …. and here it is AGAIN ………

            Men who have sex with men (MSM) represented 90% of all syphilis cases in 2015, with a 232% increase in diagnosis over the last five years, said the report. More than half of the MSM diagnosed with syphilis in 2015 were also infected with HIV, and over half additionally tested positive for a separate STI. Rates in heterosexuals remain stable but are higher than ideal.

            It’s 2016. Safe sex campaigns and targeted prevention efforts are in place. Sexual health care is free and accessible to both high and low risk groups. So what is going on?

            The basic science can’t be sugar coated. More condomless sex leads to higher rates of syphilis, (and gonorrhoea, chlamydia, HIV … the list goes on). Untreated syphilis means the disease continues to be passed on and leads to potentially horrifying long-term medical complications. Action is needed now to address the reasons behind these patterns, particularly in MSM, the group most affected.

            In MSM, higher numbers of partners is a key reason behind the heavily inflated rates, compounded by the use of apps such as Grindr, venue based and group sex. The reported increased use of Chemsex (recreational drugs used during sex) is also of concern, lowering sexual inhibitions and making the likelihood of using a condom less likely.

          • [email protected]

            “In MSM, higher numbers of partners is a key reason behind the heavily inflated rates, compounded by the use of apps such as Grindr, venue based and group sex”

            well again if you tell gay people that they can not have long term committed relationships, you deny marriage to them, you force them to hide their sexuality which means they have short term relationships with a higher number of people….and that is the result you get. You can not on one hand complain about gay people sleeping around and then on the other hand oppose anything and everything that would support and encourage gay people to be in long term committed relationships instead. Your position would be just like giving someone nothing but junk food and telling them not to exercise and then using the fact that they are overweight to justify denying them exercise and nutritious food. It is highly illogical. If gay people sleeping around to much is the problem then the solution is to do things to encourage gay people to be in long term committed relationships and to do things to support that.

          • Amos Moses

            They deny it to themselves …………. has NOTHING to do with me or christianity ……….. and that argument is again …… just trying to justify bad choices and SIN ……………. FAIL ……

          • [email protected]

            You can not say gay people deny it to themselves when it is gay people who battled for marriage while you battled agasint it and still to this day fight agasint it. If a parent or pastor came to you and asked if they should support a gay couples desire to get married you would say no. If a government asked you if they should recognize same sex marriage you would say no. So again you are exactly the same as the guy giving someone nothing but junk food and telling them not to exercise and then using the fact that they are overweight to justify denying them exercise and nutritious food. The Op posit of sleeping around is to be in a committed relationship but you oppose that as well.

          • Amos Moses

            “You can not say gay people deny it to themselves when it is gay people who battled for marriage while you battled agasint it and still to this day fight agasint it. ”

            They battled to defile marriage ……………. we battled against a lie ………. homosexuals battled against the truth ……….. do we fight lies …. YYYYUUUUUUPPPPPP ……

            “The Op posit of sleeping around is to be in a committed relationship but you oppose that as well.”

            They are commited to SIN ….. but you want the christians to pat them on the head and lie to them ….. sorry you are so averse to the truth ………… but it does not change sin to not sin because you are “committed” ……………

          • [email protected]

            including gay couples in marriage in no way defiles marriage nor is same sex marriage a lie. but if you can not support same sex marriage becasue you see it as wrong then that is where the conversation needs to be. becasue the solution to the other problems you cite is encouraging marriage so if you can not do that then that’s where the conversation needs to be centered becasue that’s what it comes back to every time.

            so we should first start my saying that civil marriage and religious understanding of marriage can and do differ and that even if the church was not to see it as a marriage they could still be married in the eyes of the law. that is the factual grounding on which the rest of the conversation is based on.

          • Amos Moses

            “including gay couples in marriage in no way defiles marriage nor is same sex marriage a lie. ”

            Yes it does ….. it alters the language and turns the definition of marriage upside down …… and yes ….. same sex marriage is a lie as it is not marriage ……. and changing the language to fit your lie does not make it the truth ……

          • [email protected]

            The definition of what marriage is has stayed the same, the only thing that changed is the definition of which couples could be a part of it, and it included same sex couples. That did not change the form or function of marriage because it already included couples who could not reproduce. So marriage is still be same thing, no change to language or the general definition needed. there was a change to the definition of who can get married but that was not a change that re-defined marriage in form of function. Furthermore we define what same sex marriage is so you can not say that is changes the definition and then also say that it is a lie. If we can define marriage then when we change it the new definition is not a lie, rather it is what we are saying it is. you could say that it is not marriage in the eyes of God but that still would not make it a lie as the civil and religious definitions of marriage can and often do differ.

          • Amos Moses

            “The definition of what marriage is has stayed the same, the only thing that changed is the definition of which couples could be a part of it”

            contradictory nonsense ………….. do you manage to say that lie with a straight face …….. if it has changed then it has not “stayed the same” …………..

          • [email protected]

            the definition of what marriage is and the the definition of which couples could be a part of it are not one and the same thing. perhaps you should try reading the full text of the reply and thinking about it before replying. again “That did not change the form or function of marriage because it already included couples who could not reproduce. So marriage is still be same thing, no change to language or the general definition needed. there was a change to the definition of who can get married but that was not a change that re-defined marriage in form of function.”

            so what I said is not contradictory at all and is explained.

          • Amos Moses

            “perhaps you should try reading the full text of the reply and thinking about it before replying.”

            The part i responded to was an out and out lie ………….. the rest was irrelevant due to the lie …… mixing truth with lie does not make the lying part true ………….. so no … marriage is not the same ….. OBVIOUSLY …… because as you stated ….. IT DID NOT “STAY THE SAME” ………

          • [email protected]

            and once again becasue you ignored it again: “That did not change the form or function of marriage because it already included couples who could not reproduce. So marriage is still be same thing, no change to language or the general definition needed. there was a change to the definition of who can get married but that was not a change that re-defined marriage in form of function.”

            so yes marriage is the same just like ending the restriction based on race did not change the form of function of marriage, father just who could enter into marriage.

          • Amos Moses

            ” “That did not change the form or function of marriage because it already included couples who could not reproduce.”

            That is a lie …… and YES … it did ……… no need to read a participle further ….. you destroy your own argument when try to mix truth and fiction ….. truth and lies are like oil and water ……………. there is NOTHING for me to read after you lie ………… it is all lie ……

          • Seen From Space

            I blocked Amos a while back! Recommended.

          • uninvitedguest

            totally agree. sad individual!

          • Kelly Samuelson

            That makes zero sense. They are allowed to be married if they want. Even if they weren’t, no one is denying them being in a committed relationship. They choose to sleep around and not be committed to anyone.

        • serloren

          “I can not link to the article”

          Nor it seems can you present any quantifiable, documented demonstrable provable scientific facts to support your vapid hypothesis that sexual desire is innate in any way shape or form, but only more of the endless drone of cliched propaganda for your own preferred stance. Albeit without the medical/scientific education and background to back any of it up, unlike the men cited here.

          I have zero issue with informed intelligent debate/discussion, but your mindless rhetoric does not equal years of rigorous research in any way – as if a MIRV platform would be threatened by the throwing of water balloons…

          • [email protected]

            I can not link to the article becasue this site does not allow it in the comments. I did provide all the information needed to find what I was citing and read it for ones-self. If you want evidence then go look at what I cited, I am not going to copy and paste it all here nor can it be linked here so you are going to need to take the step of googling it yourself and then following the link.

            and the evidence is on my side, that is why all the relevant professional fields agree that homosexuality is a normal and natural sexual orientation just like heterosexuality. If you want to make the case that homosexuality is not natural but rather is caused by something else then please, feel free to try to make that case.

            But misrepresenting what these authors said, and even then they misrepresented what the current state of the research is, and then claiming that the evidence is all on your side is simply not going to work.

    • Kevan Massey

      Just another “arm chair” professional that gleans whatever “science” they need to justify their phony baloney positions.

      • [email protected]

        If you are referring to the authors of the New Atlantis “Study” then yes, that is exactly what is going on there.

        • Kevan Massey

          My apologies, I did not realize you were an author. If you have any condition that is abnormal, then it needs treatment. Calling it normal is not a treatment. When such a small percentage of any given population is having this problem, then it is not normal. Period. Calling it something it is not, does not solve or even address the problem. It only encourages it. If you say you were born this way, you are wrong. It is a mental defect such as kleptomania, sociopaths or any other mental disease that requires “an urge” to do something that is irresistible to the person involved.

          • [email protected]

            So I guess by the same reasoning being left handed is a condition that needs treatment. Because only a small percentage of the population is left handed so clearly it must be a disorder. right?

            actually this is not correct, the fact that only a small percentage of the population is homosexual does not make it a disorder just like the fact that only a small percentage of the population is left handed does not make it a disorder. so to show that something is a disorder it is NOT enough to show that it only impacts a small percentage of the population nor should we conclude that homosexuality is a disorder becasue of this fact.

          • Kevan Massey

            Left handed is not a mental condition that entails behavior effecting the total population. Such as homosexual behavior does. But,playing your game, Teachers and parents used to force right handedness on left handed people and to my knowledge, it had no ill effect.

          • [email protected]

            Homosexuality is also not a mental condition that entails behavior effecting the total population. If you are going to make that claim then please, explain how that is the case? How does homosexuality negatively impact the total population?

          • Kevan Massey

            Apparently your comprehension skills are lacking. It is explained in the post you just replied to. Morality goes downhill. IE whatever between 2 consenting adults. Health problems skyrocket with putting your member into sewer receptacle, etc, etc, etc.

          • [email protected]

            there was an edit that I could not see plus you still had not said the argument yet.

            #1 Saying that homosexuality is moral does not change the morality of any other sexual behavior. there is a reason the slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy so claiming that seeing homosexuality as moral would make morality go downhill is not a valid argument. so this is not a negative impact on the population

            #2 Homosexual sex can be engaged in while staying safe and healthy and heterosexual people can do the same type of sex acts in their relationship as well. we would also not use health problems from heterosexual sex to say that it is a disorder. so this is not a negative impact on the population either, at least not from homosexuality but from the health problems themselves that can be limited by doing things like supporting gay people being in monogamous and stable relationships.

            #3 yes laws will change when you treat gay people equally but that is also not a negative impact on the population, rather that is just legal changes to promote equal treatment which actually is better for the population in general. so in that case we are back to homosexuality NOT having a negative impact on the population.

          • Kevan Massey

            Your arguments are opinion only. The same scientific research, including health problems have been used to prove what I say is not opinion. Morals have gone waaay down the tubes since homosexual sex became mainstream. Like saying pot is OK so forgetting that it is the gateway to worse things. Out of wedlock sex is worse too, but now it is going to lead to pedophilia fighting to be legal. Multiple spouses to become legal. Sex with animals. All documented as court cases. Just like homosexuals. Not to mention that wondering about ones’ sexuality has always been part of growing up forever. Now the gov’t wants to make it OK for confused kids to be any sex they feel like. ARE YOU SERIOUS??? Wake Up!!! HOMOSEXUALS are not normal. A law saying they are is not going to change us or them. The only difference is now they will never get the help they actually need…
            We can agree to disagree, but your arguments are falling far and away from scientific facts such as are in this article…

          • [email protected]

            no my arguments are not opinion only at all.

            #1 there is nothing to suggest that acceptance of homosexuality is a causal factor for acceptance of drug use multiple spouses, or any of the other things you list. you are making the claim but there is absolutely nothing to back it up.

            #2 saying that homosexuality is not normal does not make it so. there is still no justification given that stands for classifying it as a disorder, if we did see it that way no explanation for what would cause it, and certainly nothing in place that would count as the “help they need”

            And if you want to talk about science and fact then lets talk about that. but right now that is not where your arguments are coming from. no where in that work will you see the claim that acceptance of homosexuality is causing the acceptance of the other things you list and yet you are making the claim. your central argument for claiming that it is a disorder is that it harms society and your main argument there is completely unsubstantiated and based on a logical fallacy. lets try to talk on the merits of the issues as opposed to pretending that if one supports gay rights that somehow that causes them to be okay with bestiality.

          • Kevan Massey

            I back up my claims by the court cases that have followed the acceptance of homosexuality. I am old enough to have observed what I am saying to you. You know that thing that scientists use, observance. You do not recognize any authority that will not back you up, such as the Johns Hopkins study, Pediatric studies or any of the thousands of studies that refute every whining politically correct position you take, so there is no point in trying to reason with those such as yourself. Perhaps when this society called America collapses only then will you recognize that you were so painfully wrong. But by then this perverted lifestyle you defend will be as gone as this nation and it will be too late for you and your save the whale, kill the babies ilk.

    • Harry Oh!

      ‘what we do know is that homosexuality is a naturally occurring sexual orientation’
      Speak for yourself pal!

      • [email protected]

        Well if it is not that then what do you think it is? And what is the justification for that? if you care going to claim that someones sexual orientation is not naturally occurring then you need to have a solid justification for saying that.

        • Harry Oh!

          It’s so obvious that it’s a disorder, like obesity. Can’t reproduce, ravaged by disease, suicide, depression, drug addiction are all hallmarks of a sickness that is clearly anything but ‘natural’.

          • [email protected]

            Having a non-reproductive sexuality is not evidence that it is disordered. reproduction is a species level requirement, not an individual level requirement and so a person can be fully well adjusted and healthy while at the same time never reproducing or never even trying to reproduce. In fact there is plenty to suggest that it is in the best interest of humanity to have a subset of the population that has a non-reproductive sex drive. it allows for some people to expend their energy elsewhere then raising kids and it also naturally provides for adults who can parent kids who lose their own parents for any number of reasons.

            if you are going to say that homosexuality is a disorder becasue of STD’s then you would also need to say the same thing about heterosexuality. the fact of the matter is that both can have health risks and both can be engaged in a way that is healthy and safe. if you are concerned about health risks for the gay community then you should support things like same sex marriage that encourage monogamy and thus reduce rates of risky behavior that is associated with less stability in ones sex life.

            and yes, gay people do face higher rates of suicide, depression, and substance abuse but this has been tied time and time again to the stress gay people face from discrimination, and rejection from friends, family, and faith. The connection is easy to make, when a gay person gets rejected by their family for being gay, or loses a job for being gay, or is discriminated agasint in some way for being gay they are going to face stress that can cause depression. this depression can then cause negative outlets such as substance abuse or even suicide. so that is not evidence that homosexuality is a disorder, rather that is evidence of the harm that is being done to gay people by an ideology that causes negative treatment towards them.

          • uninvitedguest

            the APA disagrees

    • Herb Planter

      lol can you not read?

      • [email protected]

        Yes I can read, quite well in fact. thanks for checking.

  • Lexical Cannibal

    And yet, from that same meta analysis;
    “The testimony of experience suggests that one’s experience of sexual desire and sexual attraction is not voluntary, at least not in any immediate way. The whole set of inclinations that we generally associate with the experience of sexual desire … does not appear to be the sole product of any deliberate choice.”

    You know, misrepresenting the facts is still lying.

  • Jolanda Tiellemans

    Oh look, the two anti-LGBT doctors. Why am I not surprised.

    • Amos Moses

      Look …. another agenda pusher ………. why are we not surprised …….

      • Jolanda Tiellemans

        I don’t even own a agenda (organizer) use my phone.

        • Amos Moses

          “Oh and what agenda, that every human being should have the right to love, to marry no matter sexual orientation?”

          Yeah ……….. that one ……. the one that is without law ……..

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Uh, nope. Obergefell v. Hodges. It’s law.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            They so quikly forget. Ah, well,,,,

          • Amos Moses

            If your daughter, sister, mother or friend “identified” as a fat person trapped in a perilously emaciated body – if she truly believed she was obese, but, in reality, suffered from anorexia – would you affirm her “fatness” and get her liposuction, or would you go to the ends of the earth to help her bring her subjective (and mistaken) identity into alignment with objective reality? When someone is engaged in demonstrably self-destructive behavior, it is not loving, but hateful, to encourage persistence.

            Yeah …. forgetting the truth is your long suit …. not mine ………

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            You really are comparing anorexia, which is all in the head, with homosexuality, which is love? And homosexuality is not self-destructive. Good thing we don’t have to listen to you.

          • Amos Moses

            It is all BDD ………. DSM-5 … you know ….. your “bible” of mental disease ………..

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            *rolls eyes* Whatever you want to believe, it’s your right.

          • Amos Moses

            YOU believe the DSM-5 ………….. and homosexuals are “natural and normal and healthy” ….. your lie to believe …. not mine ………

            The 2016 Public Health England (PHE) syphilis report has shown that infection rates are on the up, with disproportionate rates in London. In 2015, the capital accounted for 56% of all cases in England, with a 22% increase in diagnoses in the year 2014-15. Since 2010 the number of cases of syphilis in Londoners has increased by 163%, with a 22% increase in the year from 2014 to 2015. The borough of Lambeth has the highest rates, closely followed by the City of London and Southwark.

            Men who have sex with men (MSM) represented 90% of all syphilis cases in 2015, with a 232% increase in diagnosis over the last five years, said the report. More than half of the MSM diagnosed with syphilis in 2015 were also infected with HIV, and over half additionally tested positive for a separate STI. Rates in heterosexuals remain stable but are higher than ideal.

            It’s 2016. Safe sex campaigns and targeted prevention efforts are in place. Sexual health care is free and accessible to both high and low risk groups. So what is going on?

            You want to believe contrary to science ………… have fun …….

          • Becky

            Rubbish. If homosexuals truly loved, they wouldn’t risk the health and life of the one they supposedly love. Homosexuality has nothing to do with love, but with lust. It spreads deadly diseases…there is clear evidence of that fact. Homosexuality is destructive, deadly and a sin against God Almighty.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            If homosexuals truly loved, they wouldn’t risk the health and life of the one they supposedly love.

            You do know how love works right? Meet someone, fall in love, marry, stay with that person forever. As in a monogamous relationship. Any person who is monogamous doesn’t spread diseases. But hey, who I’m telling this, a Christian who doesn’t believe a homosexual can actually love a person. Which God?

          • Amos Moses

            “Meet someone, fall in love, marry, stay with that person forever. As in a monogamous relationship. Any person who is monogamous doesn’t spread diseases.”

            But homosexuals are rarely monogamous ….. homo-monogamous is not the samething ….. it is more akin to “open marriage” ………

          • ShemSilber

            Shalom, Brother Amos. A sad thing is that even many monogamists aren’t monogamous. They go through divorce and remarriage in what is called the marriage-go-round. May our Master Yahushua (Jesus) have mercy on us and help us to straighten things out, omein.

          • sangrita

            There are no health and life risks with monogamous people, whether they are homosexual or heterosexual. Homosexuals can and do fall in love. I know many. Disease happens when protection is not used and when couples are not strictly monogamous. And again, that goes for anyone, not just homosexuals.

          • Amos Moses

            But homosexuals are rarely monogamous ….. homo-monogamous is not the samething ….. it is more akin to “open marriage” ………

          • sangrita

            Monogamous means monogamous, and there is no evidence to show homosexuals are less monogamous than straight people.

          • Amos Moses

            Even ultra-liberal Slate Magazine is not buying that load …..

            The Dirty Little Secret: Most Gay Couples Aren’t Monogamous
            JUNE 26 2013 11:14 AM
            The dirty little secret about gay marriage: Most gay couples are not monogamous. We have come to accept lately, partly thanks to Liza Mundy’s excellent recent cover story in the Atlantic and partly because we desperately need something to make the drooping institution of heterosexual marriage seem vibrant again, that gay marriage has something to teach us, that gay couples provide a model for marriages that are more egalitarian and less burdened by the old gender roles that are weighing marriage down these days.

            But the thorny part of the gay marriage experiment is sex, and more precisely, monogamous sex. Mundy writes about an old study from the ’80s that found that gay couples were extremely likely to have had sex outside their relationship—82 percent did. That was before AIDS and the great matrimony craze in the gay community. She also tells the story of Dan Savage, who started out wanting to be monogamous until he and his partner had kids, and then they loosened up on that in order to make their union last. “Monogamish” is what he calls his new model. But as Mundy asks, can anyone out there imagine a husband proposing that same deal to his pregnant wife?

            Homo-monogamy is an illusion, it is a lie, it is Bovine Scatology …….

          • sangrita

            Yes, I know how fond you are of stereotyping and speaking on behalf of people you don’t know.

          • Amos Moses

            i did not write it ……. Slate did ………..

          • sangrita

            And has it escaped you that homosexuals want to get married because they are, I don’t know, monogamous?

          • Amos Moses

            “that homosexuals want to get married because they are, I don’t know, monogamous?”

            Sorry to inform you ….. marriage is not a magic potion that bestows monogamy ………….. you can be monogamous outside of marriage ….. but the whole point of being a homosexual is to NOT follow the rules …… if you did not do it before you got married …… most likely not going to do it after ….. hetero-, homo-, bi-, tranny or whatever ……….. so nice try …….. but that is REALLY a STUPID argument ………..

            and the simple FACT is …… homosexuals are not monogamous and they do not define monogamy as having only one partner …… they have a homo-monogamy that is more better defined as “open marriage” …… and that aint monogamy ………….

          • sangrita

            The simple fact is there is nothing in your argument that does not also apply to heterosexuals. It’s bigotry.

          • Amos Moses

            nope ……… it absolutely applies to heteros …… so not bigotry …… and your use of that epithet is false ……….. and you in no way contradict what i just wrote ….. re:

            “marriage is not a magic potion that bestows monogamy ………….. you can be monogamous outside of marriage ….. but the whole point of being a homosexual is to NOT follow the rules …… if you did not do it before you got married …… most likely not going to do it after ….. hetero-, homo-, bi-, tranny or whatever”

            Note: i said …….. “hetero-, homo-, bi-, tranny or whatever” …. so no bigotry and you are a liar again ………..

          • sangrita

            Monogamy is not exclusive to heterosexuals, and you have no proof that says otherwise.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Yeah, let’s ignore and disbelieve homosexuals when they tell us otherwise.

          • sangrita

            They don’t tell you otherwise, Me. Science. They tell you they want to get married.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t even know what they say. Homosexuals admit that marriage does not involve fidelity. It’s not taken as a serious union but rather as a political statement.

          • sangrita

            You’re making that up, Mr. Science. They say no such thing. If they do, they are speaking for themselves alone and not all homosexuals.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You are quite incorrect. They know better than you by what system they abide.

          • sangrita

            Then provide proof. Until you do, you have nothing, and you know it, Mr. Science.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You clearly did not read the article. 🙂

          • sangrita

            You clearly did not understand it. Any homosexual who wants to get married is clearly and obviously looking for a monogamous relationship.

          • Amos Moses

            and i have not said otherwise ……….. what i have said ……….. homosexuals reject it or have a different definition of it and it is more akin to “open-marriage” ….. in other words …. it is monogamy if i have “permission” to do it” ……….. and homosexuals confirm this ….. so monogamy as part of a homosexual life is still a lie …………..

          • sangrita

            There is one definition to monogamous, and it applies to everyone. If is an open relationship, it’s not monogamy. That’s fairly basic.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Sure there is, but you’re not smart enough to see it.

          • sangrita

            You are entirely welcome to prove you are not lying, Mr. Science. Think you can do that?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You can’t even understand what the study says about homosexuality. No wonder you can’t understand anyone else’s posts. 🙂

          • sangrita

            I understand what the person making the claim WANTS it to say. I also understand that he’s arguing in the face of thousands of his own colleagues. You are two peas in a pod, Mr. Science.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            He’s an expert. You are not.

          • sangrita

            You are dismissed.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            See, this is how you give yourself away. You use the same lingo, same syntax, same everything except gone is the wolf teeth avatar.

          • sangrita

            Are we back to that again? I don’t even know who you’re talking about. I don’t remember that avatar or even the name associated with it, and clearly you don’t either otherwise you’d state the name.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Homosexuals themselves say otherwise.

          • sangrita

            Except that they don’t.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Sure they do. You don’t even know what you’re rambling about.

          • sangrita

            I’m working very hard to find a grain of truth in what you say, and it’s just not there Mr. Science.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t know how to work hard. You don’t have an education, and you don’t have a job.

          • sangrita

            You know precisely nothing about me.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Look at the title of the article. Are you mentioned there? Then why should anyone here care about you? Why do you keep interjecting yourself into the discussion?

          • sangrita

            It’s got nothing to do with me, it’s to do with a single person who didn’t even submit a peer reviewed article. Lame. Just like you.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Do you think repeating yourself makes it more true? 🙂

          • sangrita

            No, repeating it doesn’t make it more true. It being a fact is what makes it true, Mr. Science.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Yet it isn’t a fact. It’s just the voices in your head talking to you. Tell them to stop.

          • sangrita

            It is obviously, demonstrably a fact no matter how much you wish it were otherwise, Mr. Science.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You haven’t been able to prove it’s a scientific fact because it isn’t. In fact, this article is about real experts saying it is not.

          • Amos Moses

            it is without law …….. despite what a “court” said ……… they gave up their authority when they made that ruling …..

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Wrong on all counts. Supreme Court rulings are law throughout the United States. SCOTUS does not require your approval before making a ruling and your disagreement with a given ruling has zero bearing on whether it is enforceable or not.

          • Amos Moses

            SCOTUS gave up their authority …………

          • Ambulance Chaser

            When? How? Who says?

          • Amos Moses

            You cited when it happened ……….

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Every state in America recognized gay marriages after Obergefell was handed down, so obviously the Supreme Court has plenty of authority.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So heterosexuality is without law then too?

          • Amos Moses

            heterosexuality is the law of nature and natures God …………. heterosexuality procreates ………. homosexuality ……….. not so much …… heterosexuality creates members of a society ….. homosexuality …… not at all ….. it destroys society …….. so that as law, is it law ……. YUUUUUUUUPPPPPP ……….. and it is an immutable law …………..

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Hey you stated that love and marriage between two people no matter sexual orientation is without law. Well your law that is.

          • Amos Moses

            If you ever get to the real world … give us a call ……

            “love and marriage between two people no matter sexual orientation is without law. ”

            Hey ,,,,, nope …….

  • Lexical Cannibal

    And yet, from that same meta analysis;
    “The testimony of experience suggests that one’s experience of sexual desire and sexual attraction is not voluntary, at least not in any immediate way. The whole set of inclinations that we generally associate with the experience of sexual desire … does not appear to be the sole product of any deliberate choice.”

    • Seen From Space

      Thank you for actually READING the report!

  • axelbeingcivil

    Aaaand my comment citing the very article itself as disagreeing with this story was deleted. That’s disappointing.

  • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

    A literature survey: looking for the “there” everywhere. They say there’s no “there” there. I wonder where the “there” is then?

    Choosing your orientation is an essential part of printing: portrait or landscape.

  • Nidalap

    In the past, they would have freely admitted that it was their own choice. Only more recently have they adopted the notion of their perversion being an “immutable trait” so as to hook their wagon to the civil rights movement…

    • Jalapeno

      Why would they say that it’s their own choice when they don’t actually think it is?

      • Amos Moses

        no …. they just refuse to acknowledge it ……..

  • Tangent002

    The paper seems to make two major points: One, that the science is not settled regarding the biology behind sexual orientation, and two, that more research needs to be done. On these points I agree. However, taking this study as somehow being ‘proof’ that homosexuality is entirely a choice is poor reasoning.

    • Amos Moses

      “However, taking this study as somehow being ‘proof’ that homosexuality is entirely a choice is poor reasoning.”

      it is poor reasoning …. of a reprobate mind ….. choosing to be homosexual ………

      • Tangent002

        Could you choose to be sexually attracted to a member of your own gender? I couldn’t.

        • Amos Moses

          Not relevant …………. your “feelings” are not an arbiter of truth …………

          • Tangent002

            You did not answer the question.

          • Amos Moses

            yes is did ……… its not relevant ……..

          • Tangent002

            Yes or no. Could you choose to be sexually attracted to a member of your own gender?

          • Amos Moses

            our feelings are not relevant as to whether a thing is right or wrong ….. we all have the ability to choose the wrong ……… and it is not a “yes or no” question ….. despite your attempts to frame it that way ……

          • Tangent002

            So you cannot answer the question. I am a firm ‘no’.

            You cannot agree and still maintain that homosexuality is a choice.

          • Amos Moses

            You are a firm liar then ……… no surprise ……..

      • sangrita

        No one chooses their sexuality. It is the hand you are dealt. Nothing to do with being a reprobate, that’s just uninformed opinion.

        • Tangent002

          Black-face Amos is their last stand, with lots of ellipses……

          …..

        • Amos Moses

          ” that’s just uninformed opinion.”

          Nope …….. that is scripture ……. “No one chooses their sexuality. It is the hand you are dealt” ………. and if you are Bi-sexual ….. which is the “fixed” ……….. and really what you are saying is “i am a victim, i have no control, i cannot choose, i am unable to change” ……… and that is all just bovine scatology …………

          • sangrita

            Oh, no. Definitely not mentioned in scripture, no. You are lying there for sure.
            If you are bisexual, it is fixed that you are not homosexual or heterosexual, not hard to figure out.
            The BS is all yours on this one.

          • Amos Moses

            Matthew
            19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

            No trannys, no bi’s, no homosexual, no effeminates ………… male and female, BINARY ….. scripture …. and no lies involved ………..

            and if its both then its not fixed is it ….. and that is YOUR lie ……….. and YOUR Bovine Scatology …….. like you said before ……its fixed….. until it aint …… again …..and that is YOUR lie ……….. and YOUR Bovine Scatology ……..

          • sangrita

            Yup, just as I said. No mention whatsoever of transgenderism and therefore a complete lie on your part…as usual.

          • Amos Moses

            Thats right ….. because He did not create it …….

          • sangrita

            I thought He created everything?

          • Amos Moses

            He created men and women ….. male and female …… men and women created corruption of it …… and homosexuals, Bi’s and trannys are just corruption ….. sin …… idolatry …..

          • sangrita

            So your own opinion, then. That’s really all this is about.

          • Amos Moses

            “So your own opinion, then.”

            My opinion means nothing ………. SCRIPTURE says what Christ said …… and i do not see any dispute from you that changes it ………. Christ created Adam and Eve …. not Adam and Lester ……….

          • sangrita

            Your opinion on things which the Bible is silent about are of no interest here.

          • Amos Moses

            The bible is silent for a reason ……… not for us to fill it in …… but because it is not relevant …… you are on a christian site …. but seek to tell us what is not relevant here …… ROTFL …..

            male and female are relevant ….. sin is relevant ….. scripture is clear about what is sin and what is not ….. men with men, women with women, men acting as women, women acting as men ….. no silence ……….. FAIL ………..

          • sangrita

            OK Amos, you are not getting this, so I will give you an illustration hopefully you can understand.
            Let’s substitute any book you want for the Bible. Let’s say The Wizard of Oz.
            There is no mention of transgenders in The Wizard of Oz. Just like the Bible.
            Therefore you have no justification to speak on it, when there is no book that refers to it as sin.

          • Amos Moses

            Lets not substitute because that is what you are trying to do anyway …….. if you don’t like what scripture says ……… fine ……….. walk away ……… Christ would rather you did not ….. but if you are not His …. adios …

            “Therefore you have no justification to speak on it”

            Nope ………. but no one is forcing you to listen ……….. adios ……….

            “I’d rather stand with God and be judged by the world, than stand with the world and be judged by God”

          • sangrita

            So you continue to lean on words in the Bible about transgendered people which are not there. They do not exist. The best you can manage is to say that the Bible speaks about sin, which it does. But the transgenderism=sin thing comes from one place and one place only, and that is your own opinion.

          • Amos Moses

            “They do not exist. ”

            They exist as sinners ………… and nothing else ………

          • sangrita

            Sin is a religious construct, not a fact.

          • Amos Moses

            Sin is a breaking of the law …………. and IS a fact ………. that you reject …….

          • sangrita

            It ain’t my law, Charlie.

          • Amos Moses

            so you are lawless ……… and no surprise there ………..

          • sangrita

            No, I obey real laws.

          • Amos Moses

            Gods law is real ……… it says not to murder …. it says not to steal …… are you saying that is not real …..

          • sangrita

            I think those were part of the Golden Rule before Christians came along and ascribed them to their God.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Totally untrue. You’re making things up again.

          • Amos Moses

            No …….. they were the law God wrote on peoples hearts before the law was written out by Moses …….. it has always been gods law ………..

          • sangrita

            God didn’t write on people’s hearts, that would have been lethal.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t even know what laws are.

          • Amos Moses

            Gods law applies to all ……… even if they say ….. “It ain’t my law, Charlie.” ………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Again with deflection. You’re terrible at this.

          • sangrita

            Stalking now? How flattering.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Uh, you’re on a public message board. Someone replying to you isn’t stalking. You have serious, serious issues.

          • sangrita

            I see, you just magically found a conversation between Amos and I that had nothing to do with you. Without searching for it.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t know how the internet works. 🙂

          • sangrita

            I am an IT professional. I know how the internet works, Mr. Science.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            So in other words you work out of your mother’s basement? 🙂

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Here you go again, misusing words for which you don’t know the meaning. 🙂

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t even know what’s in the Bible.

          • sangrita

            You don’t know me. You know nothing.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Your own posts prove your ignorance, over and over again, every time you post something.

          • sangrita

            If you don’t like being humiliated by your own words, you should stop replying then, Mr. Science.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You think me laughing at you is humiliation? For you, perhaps. 🙂

          • sangrita

            The humiliation is all yours, little man. Trust me on this.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            So wrong on so many levels. 🙂

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Amos Moses is smarter than you are. 🙂

          • sangrita

            And Ken Ham is smarter than you 🙂

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            He very well may be. It’s not an insult either. You, on the other hand….

          • sangrita

            It’s very much an insult, Mr. Science. Bill Nye has shown the world that.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Bill Nye isn’t a real scientist. 🙂 You’re not very bright, are you?

          • sangrita

            LOL

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You do know he doesn’t have a science degree, don’t you? 🙂

          • sangrita

            Go look up his entry on Wikipedia, and then come back and admit your huge wrongness.

          • sangrita

            Stalk stalk stalk.
            Dance for me, little monkey!

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That doesn’t even make sense, but then again, nothing you say makes sense. If people replying to your posts scares you so much, perhaps you’re too old for the internet.

  • cjsmaq

    I thought the many identical twins studies scientifically had already proven that people are not born homosexuals.

  • cjsmaq

    It goes back to the circle of life! And the reason for sexuality and sexual attraction in the first place which is to create and promote life! The male sperm and the female egg unite and create another human. Anything outside of that formula is a deviance and out of the norm.

    • Tangent002

      Yes, it is outside of the norm, that does not make homosexuality unnatural. Homosexual behavior is present in over 1500 non-human species, particularly among social mammals.

  • C_Alan_Nault

    Being Gay is a CHOICE

    • Tangent002

      Can you choose to be attracted to member of your own gender? I cannot.

      • C_Alan_Nault

        Yes I can. Sorry that you are a misfit.

        • Tangent002

          You can choose to be sexually attracted to a member of your own gender? That is remarkable.

          • Bob Johnson

            This is not the longtime C_Alan_Nault, rather a recent impostor.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            He is a troll, he stole name and avatar from the real one.

        • Tangent002

          Heterosexuality is a ‘misfit’? Do go on!

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      So being hetero is a choice then?

      • C_Alan_Nault

        Yes

      • C_Alan_Nault

        Being hetero is normal. When genes mutate incorrectly things like homosexuality, retardation, physical deformities, etc occur. Homosexuality is a “screw up” in gene formation.

  • Tangent002

    I could not choose to be sexually attracted to a member of my own gender.

  • Kevan Massey

    The same can be said of a kleptomaniac, or a psychopath or many other psychiatric illnesses. “I just have this irresistible urge to do it”…

  • Robert

    Science is all ways having to correct itself as it finds out new things. Science has never been a exact art..because it involves imperfecy humans. Some scientist have stated murders were born different some have said homosexuals are born different some say thieves . So what murder is still sin. Homosexuality is still sin and so os being a thief.

  • Harry Oh!

    The gays aren’t gonna like this one bit. Now they have to become twice as belligerent and militant in order to force their pathology on society.

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      The gays really don’t care what two homophobic “doctors” think.

      • Harry Oh!

        Thanks for verifying the ‘pathology’

      • C_Alan_Nault

        It’s actually hundreds of scientist who know this as well.

    • Seen From Space

      Have you read the report itself? As usual the picture is more complex than christiannews,net would like you to think.

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/fakethoughtsandprayers/ Chip01

    Huh, so. Without scientific evidence… Does that mean it’s not real?
    Without scientific evidence… We shouldn’t believe. LOL

    OH, THE IRONY.