Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore Appeals Suspension Over Same-Sex ‘Marriage’ Memo

Moore RestoredMONTGOMERY, Ala. — Attorneys for Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore have appealed his suspension from the bench, and are asserting that his suspension is tantamount to removal, which is a violation of state procedural rules since there was not a unanimous agreement to remove Moore as required by law.

“Under the COJ (Court of the Judiciary) rules, removal requires a unanimous 9-0 vote by the members of the COJ, which is made up of judges, a lawyer and laypeople. Absent a 9-0 unanimous vote, the COJ cannot remove a judge from the bench,” Liberty Counsel said in a statement on Wednesday.

“But in an unbelievable violation of the law, the COJ suspended him without pay for the remainder of his term. When his term expires, he will be ineligible to run again for election as judge due to his age. So the suspension until the end of his term is a de facto removal from the bench,” it explained.

As previously reported, last Friday, the COJ declared Moore guilty of failing to “perform the duties of his office impartially,” failing to “avoid impropriety,” failing to “respect and comply with the law” and failing to “abstain from public comment about a pending proceeding in his own court,” among other charges.

“For these violations, Chief Justice Moore is hereby suspended from office without pay for the remainder of his term. This suspension is effective immediately,” it declared.

The COJ said that Moore was not removed from the bench because a unanimous vote is required for removal, and the COJ was not in unison about how the matter should be handled. The COJ had the choices of acquittal, a statement of censure, suspension or removal.

“A majority of this court also agrees with the JIC that the only appropriate sanction for Chief Justice Moore is removal from office. Removal of a judge from office, however, requires ‘the concurrence of all members sitting,” it wrote. “It is clear there was not a unanimous concurrence to remove the Chief from office, so the COJ suspends him for the remainder of his term.”

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But Mat Staver of Liberty Counsel, who represented Moore before the COJ, opined that the term-long suspension is “the same as removal.”

“The COJ lacked the unanimous votes to remove the chief, so the majority instead chose to ignore the law and the rules,” he said.

The controversy surrounding Moore began in 2013 when two lesbians in the state sued Gov. Robert Bentley, Attorney General Luther Strange and Mobile County Probate Judge Don Davis—among others—in an attempt to overturn Alabama’s marriage amendment after one of the women was denied from adopting the other woman’s child.

In January 2015, U.S. District Judge Ginny Granade ruled in favor of the women, prompting Moore to send a memo to probate judges throughout the state, advising that they are not required to issue “marriage” licenses to same-sex couples as he believed that Grenade’s ruling only applied to the two women.

Moore also wrote a letter to Gov. Robert Bentley, urging him to “uphold and support the Alabama Constitution with respect to marriage, both for the welfare of this state and for our posterity.”

“Be advised that I will stand with you to stop judicial tyranny and any unlawful opinions issued without constitutional authority,” he stated.

The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) then filed a judicial ethics complaint against Moore over his letter to Gov. Bentley, and the homosexual activist group Human Rights Campaign (HRC) submitted 28,000 petition signatures to the JIC calling for Moore’s removal.

As confusion ensued over Moore’s letter to probate judges, one judge, John Enslen of Elmore County, asked the full Alabama Supreme Court for further guidance. In March 2015, six of the nine judges of the Alabama Supreme Court released a historic order halting the issuance of same-sex “marriage” licenses in the state. Moore recused himself from the matter and was not included in the order.

“As it has done for approximately two centuries, Alabama law allows for ‘marriage’ between only one man and one woman,” the 148-page order read. “Alabama probate judges have a ministerial duty not to issue any marriage license contrary to this law. Nothing in the United States Constitution alters or overrides this duty.”

Three months after the Alabama Supreme Court issued its order, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Obergefell v. Hodges. The Alabama court did not immediately lift its order following the ruling as it took time sorting through the matter.

Therefore, in January, Moore sent another letter advising that the full court’s previous instructions remained in effect until it issued directives in light of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Obergefell.

“Until further decision by the Alabama Supreme Court, the existing orders of the Alabama Supreme Court that Alabama probate judges have a ministerial duty not to issue any marriage license contrary to the Alabama Sanctity of Marriage Amendment or the Alabama Marriage Protection Act remain in full force and effect,” he wrote on Jan. 6.

But he also noted that his memo did not weigh in on how June’s U.S. Supreme Court ruling has impact on the Alabama Supreme Court’s directive, and said that it was not his place to make that determination.

“I am not at liberty to provide any guidance to Alabama probate judges on the effect of Obergefell on the existing orders of the Alabama Supreme Court. That issue remains before the entire court, which continues to deliberate on the matter,” Moore wrote.

In March, the court finally issued its opinions on the matter, dismissing all outstanding cases before the bench.

In May, the Alabama Judicial Inquiry Commission (JIC) announced that it had filed ethics charges against Moore, and suspended the chief justice while he faced a trial before the COJ.

Moore argued during his trial that he had not issued any orders, but only a status update as the Alabama Supreme Court had not rescinded its previous order following Obergefell. The COJ did not believe Moore and found him guilty on all ethics charges.

“Liberty Counsel and the chief justice have appealed this case to the Alabama Supreme Court,” Staver announced on Wednesday. “These baseless charges should be dismissed and the chief justice should be reinstated.”


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  • Judy Zwyghuizen

    Look’s to me that the Gay’s and Lesbian’s can get away with ruling the world! this will make them to keep on doing these sort’s of thing’s and they will continually try to make Havoc for other’s against their wishes!

    • Ambulance Chaser

      What have the “gay’s and lesbian’s” done here?

      • Jolanda Tiellemans

        LOL!!!! 😉😉😉

    • Peter Blaise

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      Thanks for your observation — yes, equal citizens — gays and lesbians — have been well protected here.
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  • Michael C

    “Under the COJ (Court of the Judiciary) rules, removal requires a unanimous 9-0 vote by the members of the COJ, which is made up of judges, a lawyer and laypeople. Absent a 9-0 unanimous vote, the COJ cannot remove a judge from the bench,” Liberty Counsel said in a statement on Wednesday.

    It was a unanimous decision. The court unanimously found him to be in violation of the Canon of Judicial Ethics and unanimously suspended him from office for the remainder of his term.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Justice Roy Moore should be the US President and keep bringing truth and liberty and justice into the entire world. The USA was created and exists for the purpose of spreading of God’s truth(Christianity), human rights, liberty, fairness, and righteousness. Americans should not live and die for money and warped pleasures; no man should. Man should know God and live for the glory of God and enjoy what God gives, protecting women and children – the basics.

    • StillBetter&Better

      You are dangerous.

    • neenerpuss .

      So you don’t believe in the Freedom of Religion?

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Freedom of Religion was established for practice of the Christian religion properly according to the Holy Bible, not for being ordered around by America’s Sodomy. Today’s secular Western notion of inclination to immorality is insane. Sin is slavery. Unbelieving Americans are being thirsty after enslaving mankind with sexual depravity this time. Not acceptable in a civilized world. You guys need Christianity to keep some sanity.

        • Peter Blaise

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          Are you reading slogans off of posters?
          .

        • neenerpuss .

          You don’t have Freedom of Religion without Freedom FROM Religion. They are 2 sides to the same coin.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, the Christian religion alone did and can bring freedom. No other religion or ideology can. Atheism kills those who do not comply. America does not study the world history and is 100 years behind Germany and Russia and that’s why you rant ignorance.

          • neenerpuss .

            Are you on drugs? Seriously? You can’t seem to even have rational thoughts…

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It’s a fact. You unbelieving Americans should read the Holy Bible and learn the US history and the world history to gain knowledge. Stop watching cartoon movies and comedies.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            I know world history, it has always been my favorite subject in school art history too. Do you? Don’t like cartoons. Commedies, some. I love documentaries though. Saw one about Rome yesterday, awesome city. I was there on vacation a couple years ago. It has a lot of history. Being a Atheist doesn’t mean that I’m not educated.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Western atheists do not care about history; or they would not have repeated the heinous atrocities, with homosexuality at that. Western rich pervs scorn the entire mankind. I like the Dutch Resistance the best. They teach you how to overcome villains’ tyranny.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Oh look, again you think you know me.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Do Dutch kids learn about Dutch Resistance at all? You should.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            For your information, yes I learned about WW1 and WW2. My dad served in WW2.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Then don’t live for immorality.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            I have a lot of freedom. And where in the West do Atheists kill those who do not comply?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Western atheists only kill only unwanted babies and elderly and those who are deemed useless. Eastern atheists kill the unwanted babies and Christians. The West tries to control the Christian population by installing homosexuality and placing men in women’s restrooms.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So unborn babies and elderly don’t comply to Atheists? Oooookay, got it!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            They view them view them unfit for life. Humanism kills.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            You do know what comply means, right? Got nothing to do with killing.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Atheists never had full control in the West yet. The Christian legacy is too strong. Half of your nation still claims to be Christian.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Ouch fail. In my nation most people have no religion and then we have roman-catholics, protestants, hindu, muslims, jews. Nope, no Christians here.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Protestants and Catholics are Christian. Yes, not many Evangelicals there. Visit some Baptist churches to hear the Word of God.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            First you claim that half of my nation is Christian and in your next comment you claim they aren’t. I thought you Christians claimed that the Pope is evil and that catholics are not Christians? That it isn’t even a true religion? You people can’t even agree on that it seems.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The statistics says your nation is 45% Christian 45% Non-religious with a lot of and growing number of Muslim population(5%) for now; the Lord knows the real numbers and who are His own. I don’t believe in Pope but I believe there are some real Christians in the Catholic Church. Catholicism is classified as Christianity. Read the Gospels in the Holy Bible, repent of your sin and believe in Jesus as your Savior and Lord to get saved, Jolanda.

      • Jolanda Tiellemans

        No, she doesn’t believe in freedom from religion.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Stop bullying. No submission to Western pervs. You guys were normal only when you adhered Christianity.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Uhm, you are the one who is the fundamental christian and would love to see the world being a theocracy, hence no freedom from religion. Not bullying, just a fact.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            USA is a Christian theocracy and so is your nation; that’s why the Western civilization gained freedom from all human villains and slave owners. Read all your anthems and founding documents and charters. Humans are to submit to God alone and be free. Today’s secular West has become a slave to sexual immorality out of boredom, and this shameful slave is trying to enslave mankind by forcing the unthinkable immorality. Only mad humanists can do such a thing. Christian missionaries from your nation had delivered the copies of the Holy Bible into the world so that mankind will never again become slaves to today’s perv West. Mankind never knew man is free. Freedom is from Christian theocracy. Read John ch.8.

          • Peter Blaise

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            I read our Constitution, our supreme law of our land, and the words “God” or “Christian” aren’t there.

            Religion is personal.

            Our Constitutional is social.

            Never the twain shall meet with superior powers over each other.
            .

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Constitution is nothing but a classroom rule. USA’s heart is Mayflower Compact, Declaration of Independence, and national anthems and hymns. Atheists are parasites in the American Christendom, a Christians’ creation work.

          • Bob Johnson

            The Mayflower Compact was a British document signed by 41 of the 101 passengers of a ship trying to get to Virginia and ending up in the wilderness of Massachusetts. Considering the multitude of governing contracts for ships coming to the new colonies for a multitude of commercial and religious reasons, why should this compact be considered the heart of American law?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Britain is America’s mother. Everything about America is British. Why didn’t you guys invent languages if you are not British? If today’s Americans are not British and are from the outer space, go back to your filthy planet where you are from. If you claim the native Americans are the only true Americans, USA belongs to China because we are the Mongoloids and you guys are enjoying all the free stuff in your luxury homes in USA by making Chinese slaves work for you. America is nothing apart from Britain. Magna Carta existed before the US Constitution and is a Christian British invention. Stop stealing. Give proper credits to everything. The world never learns that all the good stuff are American inventions because Americans ignore the Christian British.

          • Peter Blaise

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            Name one.
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          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Truth is freedom, and freedom from religion means tyranny by atheism. You Westerners never suffered anything and dreaming about raw mankind. You need theocracy to stop blasphemy and infanticide and Nazi Sodomism.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            We westerners never suffered? I thought you knew world history? WW1, WW2.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The rule of atheism. US soldiers protected the entire Western Europe from the brutal atheism’s advancement and reign by giving their life away. USA also fed the Europeans during and after WW2. You’ve hated the USA for being more Christian than you. You never remember a thing, do you?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            ROFLMAO!!!!! Seriously woman, you need help. Why would I, a Atheist, hate if the US is more Christian then me?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It’s way before you were born, Jolanda. Some self-smart humanist Europeans looked down on USA and used to scorn USA for being “primitively” Christian, but USA rescued the entire Europe and became the #1 defender of human rights and freedom and fairness on earth. Europe’s godless humanism was the main reason for the tragedies of WWs. Haughtiness against the one true Creator God brings judgment. You must repent your evil unbelief to get saved.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            And which some self smart european huminists? I’ll take it you can proof that? So only the US. So you know your history? If you did you knew that not only the US did.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Ungrateful humanist Europeans. You know that attitude too well. Proof is yourself. You are not grateful to USA. Maybe never was because of false education. If USA did not come to rescue Europe and Asia, the Allies couldn’t do much against Nazis or the free world against the brutal atheistic Communists. Communism is atheism, so the rule by the communism was much miserable just like Nazis anyway. Nazis singled out the Jews and the atheists singled out the Christians for slaughter. USSR killed countless millions within her border. You have no idea because the atheistic Soviets didn’t touch you as USA liberated your homeland first and fed you. Your nation was starving to death at the end of the war because of Nazis.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So I have to be gratefull for something that happened about 72 years ago? Talking about living in the past. I’m gratefull to my parents for giving me a roof over my head, for putting food on the table, for clothing me. But a specially for loving me, something no nation or religion will ever be able to give me. Because I’m thankfull, I now return the favor to my dad and be there for him 24/7. Oh no wait, silly me I’m a ungratefull european humanist I have no idea how to be gratefull to anyone.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, always and for-ever be grateful to God and then-Christian Americans. Your homeland never had any crisis other than Nazi era in Europe. A happy, happy Christendom for more than 1,000 years. You’ve been better-off for 70 years and started persecuting normal people for not bending the conscience for nudist West’s insanity, insulting the good American Christians who are the direct cause of your life-rescue. Your parents and grandparents would not have survived if those Americans didn’t come to aid Europe. And the Church taught your parents that abortion is murder when you were in womb. Europe is not grateful to God and that’s the core problem.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            And again, your God not mine. Oh and by the way my dad, who is 81 years old also believes in LGBT rights and SSM marriages. And *gasp* he was raised Catholic. My mom did too. Actually my dad and mom have never been starving cause they didn’t live in the west. Refresh your memory on the hunger winter in the Netherlands.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Your dad was misled by godless secularism and doesn’t know homosexuality leads to pedophilia. The Catholics don’t read the Holy Bible and that’s their problem. Where were your parents before the fall of Nazis? You must be thankful to the Americans for your whole country, not just for your parents.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            ROFLMAO!!! My dad was misled. Right!!! And that homosexuality leads to pedophilia is one of many myths the Christians love to throw around.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Face reality. Your dad thinks all humans are as nice and civilized as the Dutch Christians everywhere. A false dream. Westerners are totally naive about raw humans because they’ve been raised in the cozy Christendom.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Oh wow, now you know how my dad thinks. You really need to tell me how you read minds? Is it a gift all Christians have?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Humanistic reasoning and wishful thinking is similar. Why does he approve homosexuality and transgenderism? He may be confused about the deadly effects on the future children because he supports individualism too much. Not-thinking deep enough leads to approving anything. Your dad lived out the era where Western culture was normal and not really oppressed the Christians for opposing immorality. I think he is actually very sad that young Dutch do not keep family units properly… if he is a patriot.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Seriously? Again you assume you know how my dad thinks.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Did you torment him with your falsehood? The Catholics are supposed to be obedient to Pope. One cannot be Catholic and support sexual immorality of the nation at the same time.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            I’m not even going to answer that.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You must return to God in order to live, Jolanda. Immorality is not worth of anyone’s life. Jesus is the Way and the Truth and the Life. There is no other. God loves you. Praying for you.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Whatever floats your boat.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Jolanda, never give up. You have only one life to live. Listen to the Word of God and repent and trust in Jesus: “For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans ch.8)

        • neenerpuss .

          …as long as it’s her religion that is enforced….

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The West needs Christianity for salvation AND sanity. De-christianized West is turning only to abnormal immoral depravity as its religion this century and tries to enslave mankind again. Non-religious in the Western secular nations means baby-killing and immorality.

          • neenerpuss .

            “Immorality” = your imaginary hurdles others must climb over to make you feel better.

            There is no beating heart, no thinking brain, and no breathing lungs SO it is NOT a baby! It’s no different than cancer cells. Get your nose out of other people crotches. Viability is line of life, not your religious notion.

            We need “Christianity” but none of the other 2999 world religions because “Christianity” is so peaceful? NO THANK YOU! I’ll take a secular nation over a theocracy any day!!!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Life starts at conception. Abortion is murder. Today’s Western secularism is immoral in any religion’s standard. Europe and America were created by the Christians for Christian decency. Secularism only pollutes and destroys.

          • neenerpuss .

            Life is more than a sperm and an egg. It also requires time and a willing host. Viability is the point of life.

            Europe and America were invaded by Christians….and it wasn’t for “decency”. In America the Native Americans got along for thousands of years peacefully until the “decency” crowd…AKA white people forced their way of life on them.

            If you want a religious nation….move to Iran.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. A child is a human being whether he/she is loved or not. Europeans and Americans are not illiterate savages like the rest because Christian Church have educated them to be civil for the longest time. Today’s secular Westerners are biting the feeding hands by attacking the Church. Native Americans were fighting against each other for thousands of years. White people brought charity and literacy and medicine into the entire world, bringinging longevity. USA is a theocracy; its independence document says Americans submit to God alone.

          • neenerpuss .

            At 31 weeks my cousin woke up and knew something was wrong with her pregnancy. She immediately went to the Doctor. He delivered the sad news that the baby had died. There was no signs of life. He sent her home telling her she would miscarry very soon. After 3 weeks she had still not miscarried. The Doctor then told her they could do a C-Section costing her $25,000 or have a late term abortion for $4000. She chose the abortion because they had paid $50,000 in fertility treatments and assumed they would need to again. They drove over night to one of only 4 Doctors that could/would do the abortion. She walked passed the sidewalk protesters as they yelled and screamed at her. Will tears rolling down her cheeks. One shouted out “Don’t kill your baby!” Once inside the staff was very comforting, they cried with her and held her hand. She and her husband drove home in silence. The next day she sent flowers and a thank you letter to the clinic for how they took care of her.

            You know NOTHING about what is going on….keep your nose out of other people’s crotches. You can’t murder a baby that is already dead.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The baby had been dead; then it is not abortion. It sounds there is more to this incident. I’m sorry for your cousin and her family, but she could have gotten some other help( her doctor sounds incorrect) or told the protesters that the baby had died already.

    • Peter Blaise

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      Roy Moore discriminated against equal fellow citizens — how nasty is that?
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      • Grace Kim Kwon

        He only upheld the truth. There is no discrimination in condemning sins.

        • Peter Blaise

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          Condemning is belief, but prohibiting equal access to otherwise publicly available goods and services is behavior, illegal behavior.
          .

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Sexual immorality is not skin color or birth gender. Sin has no equality with anything. Sodom’s legality means not a thing. Secular USA is being bored from having everything and amusing itself by persecuting the Christian population. Bad descendants. God will bring justice upon the earth.

          • Peter Blaise

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            Slow down, I haven’t gotten to those propaganda billboard slogans yet in my “History of Propaganda Billboard Slogans” encyclopedia.

            I do not think anyone is having sex while they are seeking publicly available goods and services from government and public accommodations.

            Discrimination is discrimination, however.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You mean discrimination against the Christians. In the land of America at that.

          • Peter Blaise

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            Please identify one condition where Christians are discriminated against in government or public accommodations against equal access to otherwise publicly available goods and services or respect for equal rights.

            Thank you.
            .

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            In the secular West, refusing or speaking against homosexuality and transgenderism as sin could result in de-position, fine, or/and imprisonment. Slavery by falsehood is back in America. This time the target group is white Evangelical Christians.

          • Peter Blaise

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            How about a specific example of your claim that

            “… refusing or speaking against homosexuality
            and transgenderism as sin could result in de-position,
            fine, or/and imprisonment
            …” ( I think you got
            that backwards )

            … and then we can figure out what you are observing — thanks.

            White Evangelical Christians are a target of government and public accommodation discrimination, eh?

            How about black Orthodox Christians?

            Latin Roman Catholic Christians?

            I’m just wondering what specific example you will bring up if and when you find one.
            .

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Read the news in this site you are in. White European pastors, white American bakers, florists, printers, graphic designers, wedding hall owners, etc. The liberal West does not target the colored Christians yet( they do it more subtly) but only the white Evangelical Christians especially males to make white male Christians look bad, both for the past and present, although they are the creators of Europe and America. It’s a new kind of injustice and racism and everyone has to speak for white Evangelical Christians for the society to be fair.

          • Peter Blaise

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            Got it, John Tanton — to populate is to rule, Reds to the Reservation, Browns to Mexico, Blacks to Jail.

            Have you ever wondered how any one can be dinged for illegal discrimination?

            Hint: it’s by illegally discriminating.

            All anyone in government and public accommodations has to do is obey the law, and they won’t get dinged.

            Are you saying some people in an otherwise egalitarian society need superior rights to allow then to disobey the law with impunity?

            Is that how you see Christianity presenting itself — as indemnified law breakers?
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          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. It’s any race’s freedom and tendency to occupy whatever that exists. Today’s secular West’s attempts to prohibit the Word of God and bar the clear conscience by imposing the falsehood of homosexuality and transgenderism are the crimes against humanity and human rights abuses. The West wants to enslave mankind again this time by installing abnormally immoral depravity. Such Nazi Youth education is unacceptable. You guys never learn a thing from past incidents and only take turns to commit mega evil; read the Holy Bible and become human, please. The West cannot do anything right apart from the Holy Bible, and it should never enslave mankind again by whatever means. Enough atrocities.

          • Peter Blaise

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            We’re all individuals, there is not “race” or “west” effectuating anything.

            Got any particulars on how equality for all is “crimes against humanity” and “human rights abuses” and “slavery” and “atrocities”?

            I think you got your propaganda slogans caught in the blender.
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          • Grace Kim Kwon

            See the statistics. It’s rich powerful perv secular West trying to enslave mankind by sexual chaos. Once the truth and conscience are bent, people are willful slaves. What’s all the finest education and reading for? Read your own American classic literature if you are too lazy to read the Holy Bible. It tells you how villains like today’s Western Sodomites enslave normal people. The West’s education is altogether meaningless and useless apart from the Holy Bible. You use your brain only to enslave others if no Christian values. Greek porn stories are your only originals. Thank God for the Western missionaries to give us the copies of the Holy Bible before the secular West went insane.

          • Peter Blaise

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            Inclusion of minorities is not chaos.

            It effects no one but the included.

            If others are effected in any way, it is voluntary tolerance and expansion of their acceptance for all of God’s children — good things for everyone.

            Though no one is ‘normal’, all are natural.

            Your use of the word “enslave” begs explanation, and has no obvious accuracy not appropriateness.

            We all are individuals, the US is the most entrepreneurial society extant, no one is enslaved to anyone or anything but voluntarily and willingly responsible for their own life, their own liberty, and their own pursuit of their own happiness.

            That others choose differently than you is apparently all you are observing — choosing differently is freedom, not slavery.

            Please cite your “statistics” on anything, then we can discuss particulars.
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          • Bob Johnson

            “Sodom’s legality means not a thing.”
            Actually it means just that – sodomy is legal.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It means Sodom’s legality is evil. Poor your forefathers and ancestors to have shameful descendants.

          • Peter Blaise

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            … especially for heterosexual Christian people, who practice it all the time, everywhere.
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          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Intimacy is between one man and one woman in marriage. All else are sins. Read the Word of God.

          • Peter Blaise

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            Oh?

            Quote the word of God for us regarding intimacy, and marriage.

            Thanks.
            __________

            And you do realize the percent of intimacy and marriage in the world that is between homosexuals versus heterosexuals is incapable of producing anywhere near the take-over thou doth protest too much.

            You have a princess-and-the-pea complex.
            .

          • neenerpuss .

            The vast majority of sodomy is committed between male and female.

        • neenerpuss .

          Several verses in the bible actually call condemning other’s sins a sin itself.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, it doesn’t. Where? Quote the full verse.

      • Jolanda Tiellemans

        Didn’t you know, she doesn’t believe in equal rights for LGBT people.

        • Peter Blaise

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          It’s a good thing we Christian people have a Constitution to keep us from whacking each other with our Bibles.
          .

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are no Christian. You guys are secular hedonists. Christianity is completely incompatible with today’s mentally ill Sodomic Western immorality. Read Jude.

          • Peter Blaise

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            Woops!

            See?

            There you are, whacking me with your Bibles.

            It is a good thing we have a Constitution between us.
            .

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You Americans have nothing valuable apart from the Holy Bible. US Consitution is just another junk if religion and morality is prohibited.

          • Peter Blaise

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            Religion and morality are Constitutionally recognized, supported, and protected inborn inalienable human rights.

            Do you have a references for what makes you draw the negative conclusions that you draw?
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          • neenerpuss .

            Talking snakes, virgin births, zombies, and invisible powers….and somehow you want to call others mentally ill???

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, they put men in women’s restrooms. They are mental patients or tyrants trying to control people with falsehood. The Holy Bible is the only item on Planet Earth to keep the truth and keep freedom against the dominant Western pervs, as always.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Mmhmm, read a lot of western classic literature. Nothing about that. I’ll guess that I’m reading the wrong books.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Read “Uncle Tom’s Cabin.” The last slave owner of Uncle Tom is the perfect proto-type of today’s Sodomic West!

          • neenerpuss .

            So Chaz Bono should be in the women’s bathroom?

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Stop bullying. Christians are the only people who can protect LGBT people. Sin has no equal rights. You fattened secular Westerners are being bored and that’s why you persecute the Christians this century because you cannot persecute the colored people for being colored anymore.

          • Peter Blaise

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            You callin me fat?
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          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I don’t know. Are you? “Fattened” means just “well-fed”; it means you are having everything the life offers on Planet Earth and are being bored about life. The West is suffering from a mental illness this century for having luxury for the longest time. It’s a typical pattern with rich pervs. And they seek warped sick amusement by trying to bend poor moral people’s clear conscience. You guys are nothing new; the Holy Bible has warned about those people all along. Because Westerners don’t read the Holy Bible anymore, they have no idea they’ve turned into villains again. No more slavery. Enough of the stupid atrocities. By perv supporters at that. Today’s West is worse than others in that they’ve been well-fed only because of their honest hard-working Christian forefathers whom they are slandering all day long. Nothing is uglier than rotten ungrateful kids from a rich family who bully poor kids. The Western Church spoiled wayward kids too much.

          • Peter Blaise

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            You are full of sweeping, inaccurate generalities.

            Folks can become fat through culinary enthusiasm, or many other reasons, not boredom.

            Statistically, the US ranks high in the world for Christian Bible readers.

            Are you thinking that salacious headlines are representative of the general population’s experience?

            Come visit here and experience something wonderful and kind and exciting and creative for yourself before you waste anymore time blathering on so horribly wrong about life in the US.
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          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, it’s true. You need outsiders to find about yourself, time to time. “Fattened” means “better-off” here. Yes, USA is wonderful because it was the strongest Christendom with Bible literacy. Today, Americans allow perv villains to bully the Biblical Christians, and the habit will make them lose freedom. If Americans lose freedom, so many other nations will, too, as secular people concern about money more than character and children. Secular people don’t have a real family anyway. They are patched and quite headless. USA needs Christianity for salvation and to be good.

          • Peter Blaise

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            “… Secular people don’t have a real family …”

            You are totally unable to specify ONE example so we can discuss.

            You are not only screaming bonkers insane, you are insulting.
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          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Face the facts. Not many intact families( no experience of divorce, a unit of both biological father and biological mother, etc) in secular nations because people are selfish. Life is hard on Planet Earth even without the West’s militant promotion of immorality, but the West’s patched people have no rights to ruin the world’s children with forcible installing of abnormal immorality. Rich people do this because they are safe and always have expensive body guards. The poor are slaves, as usual. What a dystopia American descendants are creating. Shame on you. You guys have anything good only with Judeo-Christian values.

          • Peter Blaise

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            The US is lead by exceptional families, the Obamas and the Bidens.

            The US is founded on non-Christian enlightenment principles of respect, support, and protection of individual life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, no kings, not in heaven, not on earth.

            The US is structured on non-Christian Native American federation.

            Nothing you write has any support in any specifics.

            Please get specific, or continue to be play the part of a goalie on a bowling team.
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          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            RFLMAO!!!!!! Seriously? The Christians want to take away rights from LGBT people. You really think they want your protection?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Immorality has no right with anything to start with. People have rights to exercise the truth and morality. The Westerners got weird by applying the racial equality upon sexual sins. Childless West should stop ruining other people’s children. They do it just because they are rich and powerful. Pagans physically attack LGBT and secular humanists only deepen LGBT’s troubles and suicide by encouraging them to live in sins. Biblical Christians alone tirelessly provide the LGBT the life-saving Gospel message of Jesus Christ and proper godly education and life’s necessity without compromising the truth. It’s horrible to be attacked and bullied by the Westerners, by young ones at that, for opposing immorality this century. What a world. It was only like yesterday you guys gave up the racism against colored people. And now this bullying against moral people. Crazy. You have no salvation apart from Christianity. Christianity was the only good thing about the Western civilization.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            And still “immorality” as you call it, now have the same rights as you and I. Deal with it!

            Where in the west are LGBT people attacked by pagans? And you really think that physical attacks are the only ones that hurt?

            It’s horrible to be attacked by anyone, no matter who the attacker is. And again, your God not mine.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Jolanda, learn the things that are happening in today’s world. You are not even reading all the news in this news site. People act out by the doctrines they believe. You secular liberals really don’t care about safety and protection of the LGBT people around the world. Yes, why shouldn’t I know this before? I’ve forgotten the true nature of the secularists.

            You don’t care about the LGBT people. Only Christians work and concern for the world’s LGBT people’s safety, not you even though you are part of them. LGBT people are safe in the West, the former Christendom, only because of the Christian doctrines of unconditional compassion. Today, godless humanism is forcing normal people to endorse homosexuality. Enough of atrocities from the Western humanism’s mental illness.

            Truth-telling is not attacks but the medicine you need. You need pain from the truth for you to become human. The one true God created you and kept you; you are a villain if you don’t believe in Him and thank Him. God is very merciful and gracious towards the blaspheming West today. The Word of God warns that Judgment Day is coming. Repent of your sin, believe in Jesus and get saved.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Which pagans physically attack LGBT people?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            All pagans do. There are news of certain Muslims slaughtering the LGBT kinds in their regions. (Islamic land and atheistic land need human rights, and the West and its mimickers need blasphemy laws.) Homosexuality and transgenderism has been unacceptable to mankind because most cultures are parent-honoring and child-cherishing. The West got a mental illness by questioning everything as the civilization lost Christianity. Wayward rich secular children just need to stop dating and wishing to be popular and fast for a few days to regain sanity. Then they won’t demand public display of shameful depravity to destroy the Church. I do pray for you. The whole godless culture is making them unwell. You need Christianity for the truth and salvation and freedom but also not to produce innocent victims or become suicidal. Please read the Word of God. Jesus is the Way and the Truth and the Life. ( John 14)

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So, no pagans here in the west? Got it!

            Uhm, we have human rights here in the west, you just don’t like those rights. Your problem, not mine.

            No need to pray for me.

            Not even going to comment on the rest, cause it’s nothing then a lot of babbling.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Those human rights were all from the Bible-literate Christians. Humanism only murders. The Western Church spoiled you too much. You need prayers a lot. You must repent of your sins to get saved.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            And as always, nothing intelligent to say.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Your immorality is not worth of your life. Please wake up. Why do you come to a Christian news site and talk to Christians?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            I come to this site to defend my friends against fundamental Christians like you. Don”t like it, ask the mods here to make the site private.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Defending homosexuality is a bad thing. Do you do that to the religious Jews and Muslims in their sites? You secular Westerners always and only bully the Biblical Christians. The Christian fundies are the only ones who truly love you with God’s love. All others only harm you and are just using your inclination to sin to enslave mankind with immorality. Wake up. Read the Word of God and ask God to save you and break free.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Defending homosexuality is a bad thing. Do you do this to the
            religious Jews and Muslims in their sites as well? You secular
            Westerners always only bully the Biblical Christians. Cowards. The
            Christian fundies are the only people on earth who truly love you with
            God’s love. All others only harm you and are just using your inclination
            to sin to enslave mankind with immorality. Wake up. You guys are
            boasting something all humans should be very ashamed of. It’s a mental
            illness born from severe boredom.

            Don’t drag starving poor nations
            with your insanity. They never experienced happiness on earth yet. The
            West should get out of the addiction to warped entertainment. Rotten
            rich kids who shame their own parents and force Sodomy upon poor people.When will you stop committing atrocities on earth? Why don’t you learn anything even from WW2? Childlessness is part of God’s wrath upon abnormal West and its mimickers. Read the Word of God and ask God to save you and break free from immorality before it becomes too late.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Posting the same thing twice has to convince me how?

            I’m very much awake and will alwayq defend my friends against people like you.

            I’m not a rich kid. No idea what WW2 has to do with equal rights for LGBT people. Uhm which atrocities? Putting religious people in camps? Gass them? Torture them? Cause that is what I call atrocities.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are rich because of living in the West. The Western Christians of yesteryears made sure that everyone gets some bread on the table by Christian compassion; that’s why most Earthlings want to come to America and Europe and live there. Nazi Germany wanted to dominate the world and used Nazi Youth education. Today’s West pretends otherwise, but the thirst for dominance is ever strong in the West. Everyone has to bow to gay West as if the West is always right. Civilizations are evil when they go against the Biblical principles. Secular West must give up the thirst for dominance of abnormal immorality. If the West succeeds in making the Earthlings to call the homosexual sins as marriage and call people by the gender they were not born with, mental slavery is complete.

            People without the truth and intact conscience will do anything the gay West demands to get filthy free stuff. Pagans have little trouble pretending to submit to the Western Sodomites bending the conscience since pagans never had good authorities in their homeland; they treat lying as a survival method. The only obstacle to the West’s global slavery is the Bible-literate Christians, as usual. A much bigger thing is at stake than your little desire for immorality. The world should never be enslaved by the West again, especially by a sexually immoral version. You guys were so much better for the world when you were Christian and just mere racists instead of baby-killers or nudist pervs. This was a summary of recent history, since secularism never teaches you anything correctly. Read the Holy Bible to receive life instead of defending immorality.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            And you have nothing new to say, as always. Goodbye.

          • neenerpuss .

            It used to be illegal to be gay in the US. We would be arrested for dancing together in a night club. We used to be fired, beaten, and kick out of our homes….and yes even killed. All by so called “christians” But it got better….although still have a ways to go. So take you religion and stuff it where the sun doesn’t shine. My God loves me….he made me just the way I am. Gay!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            God condemns homosexuality to hell. God did not make you gay; it is your sinful choice. Read Leviticus ch.18-20, Matthew ch. 5-7, Romans ch.1, and I Corinthians ch 6. Biblical Christians alone had compassion on you and you are repaying to the good with evil. You have no rights to demand others call your sin marriage and should not have access to children. It is a human rights abuse. Children have rights to innocence.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            “Now by this we know that we know Him(God), if we keep His commandments. He who says, ‘I know Him,’ and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.” ( 1 John ch.2)

          • neenerpuss .

            Gibberish….Gibberish….Gibberish….

          • Bob Johnson

            Possibly true, however, more importantly it states that we are to keep His commandments. It says nothing about forcing His commandments on other people.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Jesus commanded us to teach everyone to obey Him. (Matthew ch.28) You never read the Holy Bible. Stop pretending.

          • Evelyn Hughes

            At one time, Gays were placed in State Hospitals for the Insane.

    • TheKingOfRhye

      Try actually reading the Constitution some time, or even the Declaration of Independence….and then tell me where either of those (which are, after all, the supreme law of the land, and the founding document of the country) mentions anything about spreading Christianity, or righteousness.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Mayflower Compact does. Declaration of Independence declares Americans submit only to God. Everything belongs to the pioneers. You guys are having easy life on some other people’s(Christian Americans) hard labor. Freeloaders. Anyone can be successful in a well-established nation like the Christian USA.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Whoever imagined the West would bully the world demanding the already-suffering humanity to accept their destructive abnormal depravity as if the world is not suffering enough? It is one thing for a person to choose to be mentally ill by promoting immorality, but quite another to attempt to destroy the children who belong to others. What’ll stop the secular Westerners from enslaving the humanity this time with the depraved sexual immorality? Whoever imagined the childless godless powerful people would do against the mankind? Western churches should contain the evil within the border. May God have mercy on our sinful world and bring His justice upon it.

    • Peter Blaise

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      So, tell us again the self-proclaimed religious affiliation of the Justices involved, including Moore?
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  • StillBetter&Better

    He will lose.

    • Peter Blaise

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      Lat’s hope, and also hoe that he does not run for another term, and if he does run, that the people of Alabama will finally NOT re-elect him.
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  • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ David Cary Hart

    Staver is an idiot. “… it is the unanimous judgment of this Court that Chief Justice Moore
    should be suspended from from office without pay for the remainder of his term,” Judge J. Michael Joiner wrote for the panel of nine judges.

    Moore did precisely what he is accused of doing. The evidence is unambiguous and conclusive that he ordered probate judges to defy the Supreme Court.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_decay James Scott

    People like Roy Moore are even too backwards for a state like Alabama. Moore can appeal all he wants but he is unanimously done!

    • Peter Blaise

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      Sadly, the people of Alabama keep re-electing him.
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      • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_decay James Scott

        Sadly, the people of Alabama “kept” re-electing him but fortunately he is now officially too old for them to continue making that mistake.

        • Peter Blaise

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          Seriously, there’s an old-age limit on judges in Alabama?

          Too hot there, no refrigeration, their old folks stink beyond an expiration date?
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          • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_decay James Scott

            Most states have some type of age limit on judges.