Texas Baptist Convention Issues Warning After Congregation Votes to Allow Openly ‘Gay’ Members, Leaders

Photo Credit: Facebook/Wilshire Baptist Church
Photo Credit: Facebook/Wilshire Baptist Church

DALLAS, Texas — The Baptist General Convention of Texas has sent a warning letter to a congregation in Dallas that recently voted to allow open homosexuals as members and leaders.

According to reports, Wilshire Baptist Church passed a motion 61 percent to allow those in unrepentant homosexual behavior to serve in the house of worship.

While the resolution didn’t specifically mention homosexuality, an explanation on the Wilshire website outlined its intent.

“[T]his resolution would permit all members to participate in congregational life on the same basis as any other church member regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity,” it reads. “This affirms the ability of the church’s committees and lay and staff governance structures to consider all members for leadership, ordination, baby dedication and marriage based upon individual merit and the discernment of those duly elected to governance positions.”

But the matter did not sit well with the Baptist General Convention of Texas, which oversees an estimated 5,000 Baptist churches in the state.

“Should your church choose to publicly affirm same-sex sexual behavior, the BGCT will no longer be able to accept funds from the church, seat its messengers to the annual meeting, allow the church to express affiliation with the BGCT or allow its members to serve on the BGCT boards, committees or other roles,” it warned in a letter to leader George Mason.

The Convention holds to the belief that sexual behavior between those of the same gender is a violation of the law of God.

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“This is a painful time for Texas Baptists,” it said in a statement. “We have deep respect and appreciation for the churches involved. While Texas Baptists are loving, respectful and welcoming to all people, we have a longstanding and often reaffirmed biblical position on human sexuality.”

“As in the past, when a church chooses a position outside of the BGCT position, that church effectively withdraws from harmonious cooperation,” the Convention continued. “The BGCT values the autonomy of the local church and the harmony which is vital to the Convention’s purpose of fostering cooperative missions and ministries.”

The organization also sent a warning letter to First Baptist Church of Austin, which likewise welcomes openly homosexual members.

“This bridge has lead us to perform same-sex weddings, ordain LBGTQ+ deacons, and has helped create a safe space in the Baptist world for a group that was often excluded,” leaders wrote in a recent newsletter, according to the Baptist Standard. “Crossing that bridge has not come without cost. We have lost folks who did not agree and have begun to understand this stance may cost us our place in some of our affiliations.”

Convention Executive Director David Hardage told the outlet that he believes congregations “can be welcoming but not affirming”—allowing those who struggle with an attraction toward the same sex to attend services while holding fast to the Word of God on the issue of marriage and sexuality.

“I believe that is not only possible, but also biblical,” he said. “I also realize some would disagree.”

Romans 1:26-27 reads, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections, for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature, and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another—men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.”

Jesus also said in Matthew 19:4-5, “Have ye not read that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?”


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  • Grace Kim Kwon

    So strange about some Western Christians’ inclination to Sodomy. What’s going so wrong with them? Why can’t they see the plain truth in the Word of God? They need sound Biblical Christian doctrines this century like their normal Christian ancestors had. Western churches’ leniency towards homosexual sins greatly contribute to religious hardships of the global Church and to evil’s reign on earth.

    • RWH

      Maybe this church sees that we should treat people as people and not as labels. As someone who is not an American, you sure do have enough to say. Ever hear of the term busy body?

      • 0pus

        Yep, it describes you to a tee, sticking your nose in the affairs of Baptists in Texas. You must be lonely and bored.

        • RWH

          Perhaps. However, I am an American, and I know Baptist polity. Baptist churches are independent and autonomous. They can freely join an association and depart from it. The Texas Baptist Association really has no business meddling in the affairs of a church. However, the church doesn’t need them either. They can either go independent or join another association of churches.

          In your desire to show your crappy behavior, you should have noticed that I did not address that church at all. I addressed an individual who was never born nor raised in this country, who shows some extremely racist ideas, and who has this idea that America should be governed by a state church, all ideas that we reject as Americans.

          • Amos Moses

            “The Texas Baptist Association really has no business meddling in the affairs of a church.”

            They have EVERY right to control who is a member and who is not …………

          • RWH

            Not if they are going to follow Baptist polity and respect the autonomy of the local church. From the looks of the picture, they look like they’re a healthy church and will do fine without the types who repel people through their negativism yet rejoice because they are more pure than the others. Christ has something to say about that type as well.

            But people on this site are free to bear false witness against those that they hardly even know. That is one of the weaknesses of religious fundamentalism throughout the ages. Given enough bravado, they will even commit murder in the name of Christ, even if it is just the reputations of those they don’t approve of

          • Amos Moses

            They have every right to control if a member remains a member ……… and if they continue ….. the true believers will leave … they always do …. and what remains can have the hollow husk that remains …. it will no longer be a church ….. just a bunch of apostates ………

          • RWH

            Well, could it be that the true believers see these people as people and not as labels. You don’t know these people, but you are quick to judge. It’s people like you who poison Christian fellowship and sew division and discord within churches where there has been none.

          • Amos Moses

            “Well, could it be that the true believers see these people as people and not as labels.”

            The label ………… IS SINNERS …. but UNREPENTANT SINNERS ….. and if they do not want to repent ….. then they can do that elsewhere …. ANY ELSEWHERE ………. and not contaminate the assembly …………

          • Amos Moses

            “It’s people like you who poison Christian fellowship”

            There IS NO FELLOWSHIP …. they are UNREPENTANT ………… they have said “We Will Not Repent” …………… WHAT FELLOWSHIP ……… they reject Christ ………..

          • Truthteller

            They don ‘t see them as labels, they are then as ones rejoicing in their sin.

          • Truthteller

            You mean bare false wittness like you did against the foreign girl?

          • Joe2139

            😂😂😂. That’s precisely how I took that statement!!! Yep. They have every single right to “meddle”.

          • Truthteller

            There was NOTHING racist in what she said, but you sir, sound like the Pharasees.

          • RWH

            So, apparently when she talks about WHITE Americans to the exclusion of anyone else, you see nothing wrong with that. The only ones I see making that distinction are members of the KLAN.

          • Truthteller

            I have not read anything where she talks about white Americans.

          • Amos Moses

            i like most of what you are saying ….. but i gotta give you this ….. it is not a rebuke but we need to play that card very carefully …….

            The Pharisee Card
            BY PULPIT & PEN · MAY 10, 2014

            You’re here because someone (maybe you) played the Pharisee card. Consider the following, and let’s all remember that if you’re going to play the Pharisee card, you should play it fairly.

            OK, so I stole the idea from an article posted at Issues Etc. But the next time someone plays the Pharisee card, consider the following…

            pulpitandpen;org/2014/05/10/the-pharisee-card/ – Replace the ; with a .

            carry on ……..

      • BobbyHead

        RWH – Well you sound like either a fallen away type or you have never been a Christian.

        • RWH

          Maybe this puts you into the group of righteous souls that condemned the King of Glory to Hell because He ate with publicans and sinners.

          • bkm

            You mean the King who said REPENT or you shall all likewise perish?

          • BravesFan

            Jesus said, “Go and SIN NO MORE.”

        • Truthteller

          I think he’s a homosexual.

      • Amos Moses

        the label ………. is that WE ARE ALL SINNERS ……… and church …. is for REPENTANT sinners ……. Ever hear of the word APOSTATE? ……………

        • RWH

          And it’s people like you who enter a church for the purpose of spreading slander, libel, false witness in order to sew division and discord–all in the “name of Christ.” The Apostle Paul said to mark them and to avoid them. Let these people run their church as they see fit. they don’t need people who have nothing constructive to add.

          • Amos Moses

            5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
            5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
            5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
            5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
            5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
            5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
            5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
            5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

          • Jesussaves1226

            Amen!

          • Amos Moses

            So they do not need you ……….

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Because willful falsehood poisons the Church.

          • bkm

            YOU are the false one!

      • bkm

        If you want to treat people like people, then TELL THEM THE TRUTH!

        • TheBottomline4This

          Sadly many around these days don’t understand truth. Satan has blinded them and they don’t even know it.

        • Jesussaves1226

          Amen! “I’d rather scare people into heaven than love them into hell!” A guest pastor had this to say a couple of weeks ago at church, and I Agree Totally. We must stop worrying about offending people with God’s Word (The only Truth), and instead trusting the Holy Spirit to give us His Word, which leads to salvation. We must stop trusting in ourselves, and have Faith in God, and we have to be in His Word daily, talking to HIM and listening for HIS direction. Amen!

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        It is wrong for churches to have unrepentant homosexuals to serve in the house of worship. The West went insane by applying racial equality upon sexual immorality. Everyone has rights to speak the truth and to keep sane morality, and Christian churches should teach the Word of God instead of endorsing the depravity which God has condemned. The West has deadly cultural defects from nudism and its Sodomic notion is wrong. Truth-telling is true love.

        • RWH

          The above posts remind me of the babushkas that would stand at the doors of Russian churches in Moscow. They would physically throw those whom they thought didn’t belong down the stairs. They would physically prevent the “untouchables” from receiving the mercy of Christ. These self-appointed guardians would stand right outside the gates of heaven to prevent those that the Lord died for from entering the gates. These self-appointed guardians of the gate would step in and push Christ aside. Instead of believing whosoever will, they become the adjudicators of who should receive the mercy of Christ. Just mention the very word GAY, and this bunch goes completely spasmodic.

          For your information, no self-respecting gay person would want to even be around you guys. You are so toxic. Thank God that there are churches around who welcome these untouchables in to experience the love of Christ. There is most likely a lot of love in that church. Those who stand along the side of the road and proclaim hell’s judgment can sit smugly in their churches until they close for lack of people to pay the electric bill.

          • Truthteller

            It is God Himself who says sodomy is an abomination.

          • RWH

            Well, you have a right to your opinion, but you have no idea who these people are. I’ll never convince you of anything because your mind is made up. However, the greater audience out there will see your strident judgmental attitude and the cruelty toward people they do not know. If anything repels people, that’s the attitude that does it. People with harsh unkind judgmental attitudes usually get left in the dust as society passes them by.

          • Amos Moses

            “I’ll never convince you of anything because your mind is made up.”

            self revelation ……. you cannot see or hear the truth about yourself …….

          • Truthteller

            It is not me, it is the word of God that you criticize.

          • BravesFan

            It’s not an opinion, it’s the WORD OF GOD.

          • David

            Nobody is throwing these people out. They are simply saying they cannot be members, just as any unrepentant sinner regardless of sin cannot be a member. The doors of Baptists Churches are always open to sinners such as homosexuals who seek truth; and if they repent of their sin(s), they are more than welcome to join and be an active member of the church.

        • Truthteller

          Dear sister Grace, your post is correct, your rebuke is correct. May the church in America repent for the word says judgement comes to the House of the Lord FIRST. Embracing Sodomy is sin.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Thank you very much for your encouragement. What is so abnormal about this whole thing is that the Western culture today is FORCING everyone to endorse the abhorrent detestable sexual immorality, fining and jailing those who do not comply. Submission to such depravity is unacceptable even as a human being, not just as a Christian. It is giving up God’s objective truth and freedom and even human dignity.

          • johndoe

            In America, you dont have to support or endorse anything. Those people were fined for breaking the law.

          • Truthteller

            I couldn’t agree more.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Thank you again. Christians are together as God’s people, no matter what happens. Jesus is our Saviour.

          • Truthteller

            Amen.

      • Truthteller

        Leave her alone, she’s right and had every right to express herself. Stop being the ugly American!

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Thank you so much. Americans are beautiful people. They taught the entire Earthlings not to submit to bullies but to submit to God alone. American Christians are suffering this century because of holding God’s truth. The burden will be shared by all true Christians around the world. Glory be to our God.

      • BravesFan

        The homosexuals are the ones screaming for labels. They aren’t happy unless they can have the label of homosexual right along with “Christian” or “Baptist.” They don’t want to take God’s word for an answer.

    • Amos Moses

      they seek to be “relevant” … and in seeking to be relevant ….. they have become IRRelevant ………

    • Jesussaves1226

      Unfortunately, many don’t bother to Read and study God’s Word and spend time seeking the Lord. These ‘Relevant’ (False teachers) are leading people straight to hell. How this must break Father God’s heart, and make Him angry at the same time because HE doesn’t want any to be lost. The church in America needs to repent of this teaching/tolerating this False gospel and seek First God’s kingdom. (See Matthew 7:33) Jesus is All we Need! AMEN! HE sets us from from the bondage of sin and gives us true freedom, even eternal life. PRAISE HIS NAME FOREVER!!!

      Anyone who hasnTruly spent time in the Lord’s Presence will never be the same again. Jesus Christ makes All the Difference! How I Love HIM!

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Amen!

    • Robert

      Satan has confused people using peoples feelings who have family members that have homosexual relationships.And some of these people that he has confused are the ten percent that do all the work in there church and put there money where their mouth is to when supporting the church that has sway. Satan is real

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Exactly! The Sodomites’ demand to endorse Sodomy is unacceptable. The humanist West became insane again by sexual chaos this time. Inability to speak against homosexual sins is loss of the truth and human rights and freedom, and it is a massive chaotic child-abuse by prohibiting morality. The West needs Christianity for the truth and freedom and proper childhood. Humanism kills innocent homans and forces gross falsehood. May there be God’s justice on this.

        • johndoe

          Nobody has asked you to endorse or approve of gays. Its not necessary. You can speak against homosexuality at the top of your lungs but expect a response.

  • BobbyHead

    Heck, in the past you kind of always knew that Baptist at least preached the word correctly. Now some of them have fallen away from the Bible. This is one reason all Churches should be independent from Conventions. That just does not help. In the past decades I’ve seen clearly seeing that the demonic FEMINIST MOVEMENT from hell has entrenched the minds of millions of women in the Church. When the women want more women leaders, it always (like clockwork) leads to women being Pastors and followed by homosexual involvement. It’s the falling away in the last days.

    • This style ten and six

      Those pesky women, eh! Always wanting equality instead of being happy barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.

      • Amos Moses

        pejorative and a lie ……….

        • This style ten and six

          You, you have the brass face to call me pejorative!

          • Amos Moses

            yeah …. because your comment was ………

      • BobbyHead

        Can’t you get more creative than use the old, over used, “barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen” line? You godless liberals are uncreative.

        • This style ten and six

          I like it because, though trite, it perfectly sums up the attitudes of fundamentalists.

          • BravesFan

            No, it sums up your biased conception of fundamentalists. You clearly don’t know any real ones.

          • This style ten and six

            I read a number of fundamentalist web sites and my conception of evangelicals is that they hate same sex marriage, feminism, abortion, public health care, contraception and a host of other things.

            I certainly don’t want to count them among my acquaintances.

          • BravesFan

            You read websites? That’s funny. So what you’re saying is that you’re a bigot. At least you own it.

          • This style ten and six

            If reading web sites makes me a bigot everyone on this site is a bigot.

          • BravesFan

            And you’re also not that bright. Let me spell it out. You are reading websites and judging people based on reading those websites. You do not know these people in person. You do not, in fact, know any fundamentalists personally. As I initially stated. I can’t imagine it would go over so well for a conservative Christian to say, “Oh, I read websites all about those homosexuals and I don’t want to count them among my acquaintances.” But hey… that would require critical thinking.

          • This style ten and six

            I thought the insults would be along.

            I can judge those who post vile comments on LGBT people and call them bigots. There are many of them on fundamentalist sites.

          • BobbyHead

            You like to use that boring term because you are not creative and you are godless.

  • TheBottomline4This

    I appreciate when there is ANOTHER religious organization that reveals its heart and I then know to mark and avoid the unbeliever’s of that unChristian group.

  • This style ten and six

    “While Texas Baptists are loving, respectful and welcoming to all people, we have a longstanding and often reaffirmed biblical position on human sexuality.”

    In other words, “We hate gays!” True Christian love at work.

    • Amos Moses

      Church …. is for REPENTANT sinners …………. and if they are not REPENTANT of their sins ……. then they DO NOT belong ………………

      • This style ten and six

        As I said, “True Christian love at work”.

        • Amos Moses

          you do not know what a “True Christian” is ….. much less the christian concept of love …….. so your comment is nonsense ………

          • This style ten and six

            Sure I do, someone who hates gays, lesbians, same sex marriage and and woman’s control over her own body. I know you well.

          • Amos Moses

            When someone believes lies about those things ….. and spreads those lies as truth …. and that lies are somehow “love” ….. we know you very well ……

            When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.

            you want to help yourself ….. not them ………. so you tell them what they want to hear …. and so you are a liar ………. and that IS NOT love ……..

          • This style ten and six

            Only in the twisted world of religious fundamentalists, Christian, Muslim, whatever.

          • Amos Moses

            NOPE …. Only in the twisted world of secularist fundamentalists whatever …. there you go …. i fixed that for you ………..

          • Amos Moses

            that you think lying to someone is love surprises no one …………..

          • TheBottomline4This

            What is your definition of love?

          • Amos Moses

            WHOA …. danger, will robinson … danger ………

          • KinDn3sS

            The Greatest Gift, the LOVE is defined as per following:

            1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.

            4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

            8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

            11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

            13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is LOVE.

          • Liz Litts

            Love means telling the truth–if you allow some one to go on sinning there is nothing loving about that.

          • Charles

            They are God’s people of whom were called to be “Christ” like… There is a daily fight against sin for a Christians… Yet, the love, and instruction of Lord keeps us going, striving to be faithful to our Lord Jesus Christ… Trusting in what the Lord has told is absolute truth. God has never lied to me. You have no idea what a real Christian is.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Liberals are full of hate. That is one reason we are seeing riots, burnings, vandalism, Donald’s life being threatened, etc. These actions by Liberals just because little old Hillary lost are telling of how Liberals really are. The word is a lot of them are being paid, which shows how Libs are even more. These actions sure don’t seem very loving, kind, tolerant to me.

    • KinDn3sS

      Jesus didn’t hate whoever needed the doctor. He instead showed love. How about we do that, too. And I’m not saying that LGBT’s values be mingled with our Christian principles. No way, and I won’t agree to that either. but we do NOT hate the sicken. We pray for them, and show them love!

      • This style ten and six

        They are not sick, their sexuality is innate. If you are religious you could say god endowed!

        • Pappagallo

          That’s right, born that way. Just like pedophiles.

          • This style ten and six

            Your hatred is really showing. There is no connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. You are a true Christian.

          • Pappagallo

            I didn’t say there was a connection.

            You said gays are born gay and therefore Christians should not judge them.
            There is just as much evidence that pedophiles are born pedophiles as there is that gays are born gay – that is, no evidence at all.

            If you believe people are born gay and should not be judged, you must also believe that pedophiles are born pedophiles and should not be judged.

            Who are you to judge pedophiles?

          • This style ten and six

            I do believe that pedophilia is a form of mental sickness, in some cases innate. However they cannot be allowed to harm children. You must know this and that society has to restrict a in them.

            You are not thinking straight.

          • Pappagallo

            You claim that people must accept gays because their sexuality is innate,
            then you claim that pedophilia is wrong, even though pedophiles sexuality is innate.

            You are inconsistent and stupid.

          • This style ten and six

            If you can’t see the difference between a couple of consenting adults getting together and someone who preys on children you must be empty between the ears.

        • TheBottomline4This

          Their sexuality is a choice. The practice of homosexuality is an abomination. No, the person isn’t an abomination, but their sexual sin of homosexuality is the abomination.

          Your hatred of Truth is astounding.

          • This style ten and six

            It is not a choice and you are a bigot which is.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Yes it is a choice and you’re the bigot against Truth.

          • This style ten and six

            Yup, a true Christian bigot.

          • TheBottomline4This

            No, you’re a true Liberal bigot.

          • TwoRutRoad

            “Their sexuality is a choice.”
            Just suppose, somehow, for whatever reason, you were were told that you had to change your sexuality. Religion aside, are you going to tell me you could change? Not WOULD change, just that you could if you wanted to?

      • Liz Litts

        When Jesus encountered sinners he did not say , ‘Go and keep on sinning’ He said ‘Go and sin no more’. Every sinner he spoke to repented-the woman at the well, Matthew, The woman taken in adultry–the only one who did not was the rich young ruler-who went away sorrowing–You can twist and justify sin all you want-but there is no love in compermise. If you see someone doing what God has said clearly is wrong, and just look the other way or coddle them, you will be held accountable for not doing any thing to stop it. If you speak the truth in love and they do not listen that becomes between them, God and their seared concince . It’s bad enough for them not to repent and seek the Lord’s healing and reject his mercy-it’s worse when you tell some one it’s not nessiary.

        • KinDn3sS

          Agreed. 🙂

        • Biscuit

          The story of the “woman taken in adultery” was added to the Bible until centuries after the death of Jesus (not included in the earliest transcripts).. Very difficult to determine what the historical Jesus actually said and what the authors of the Bible put on the lips of Jesus.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Oh dear.

          • Amos Moses

            True ….. and most careful preachers avoid that bit of text for that very reason ….. not because it says anything necessarily wrong to doctrine ….. but it cannot be verified reliably ……….

          • Biscuit

            The story of the woman caught in the act of adultery has to one of the favorite stories in Christianity. The majority of people have a very poor understanding what most Biblical scholars have known for many years.

          • Amos Moses

            it is usually noted in the text, almost every text, by foot notes and the story being in parenthesizes’ …….

          • Biscuit

            I know that, but I hear people referring to that scripture all the time.

          • Amos Moses

            it is doctrinally sound ….. but its bona fides are not known ……

        • KinDn3sS

          I observe your comment as being redundant to my notes. Thanks for taking your time to reply. 🙂

  • Emmanuel

    Another godless church. So many have fallen and many more will be falling.

    • Biscuit

      Funny how you superior attitude allows you to speak for God.

      • TheBottomline4This

        Funny how your superior attitude allows you to be comfortable with compromise.

  • Carlos Santiago

    We are saved by faith alone through grace. To forbid believers from fellowship and to blockade participation due to Old Testament legalism is not New Covenant. Christians are forbidden from judging and placing burdens on others that we ourselves cannot bear.

    • TheBottomline4This

      “Christians are forbidden from judging…”
      Scripture references please.

    • Amos Moses

      Church …. is not for the unrepentant ……….. we are not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers ….. and scripture is ALL about judging who is and who aint ….. and how to discern that ….. and why …………..

    • KinDn3sS

      If I am a non-believer, and I want to hear the word of GOD via a Church sermon, and the preacher is gay, am I to embrace his message? That message is not from GOD, so I will refuse to stick to that mentality. With this being said, you can’t serve GOD (by singing in church, preaching, whatever else,…) and the Devil (by accepting LGBT as a standard of living issued by GOD). It’s totally wrong to mingle good and bad.

      May God bless you, Carlos!

  • Bigweight

    Interesting how without God’s Word and the adherence to it, that man can just make up right and wrong, love and hate. “true” bible following Christians, do not “hate” anyone, certainly not sinners such as liars, adulterers, murderers, homosexuals…We love them enough to say, “You are in need of a Savior for your sins!”. We are ALL sinners, most “unrepentant” sinners just either refuse to repent or just don’t know they are condemned in the sight of God without a Savior to rescue us. That Savior is Jesus Christ. If we choose as man to not use God’s Word to guide us, live by it and get rebuked/ judged by a Holy Creator God, then where does our standards come from? Me? You? He who has the most money? The strongest? Who gets the most votes? WHO? Lastly, ponder this…Define, “What is love?” “What is hate?”, without a Holy God to reference these to, both concepts are meaningless. Isn’t rape, murder, adultery then justifiable without a standard to compare to? Where is the line drawn? God’s Word doesn’t change, society’s and mans passion for sin does.
    Here’s the thing, if we are just biology, matter and chance beings then none of this matters or at a minimum; rape and murder would be the best survival techniques to purvey our genes to the next generation. Or does a Holy Creator God that through His Word, explain our fallen sinful nature and it explain my beginnings and my eternity?

    So ultimately, only one of those views fits with how the world operates and what we see in this world. Again, through God’s grace and love He gives us the choice to accept His love through Jesus Christ, by faith and repentance of our sins or we are free to reject it…but only ONE can be true.

    So feel free to call me bigoted and/or hateful as both are untrue…as the absolute truth is that the biblical Christian world view is the ONLY view that defends those through a Word that does not change and has never been in error, anything less is demeaning to the very humans that are made in the image of God. Anything with less of a view on man then a biblical world view is truly hateful.
    God speed.

    • Biscuit

      I would encourage you to become a member of Bart Ehrman’s blog. He gives 100% of the money to the poor. You seem like a nice person who could really learn a lot about the Bible and Christianity from a very good person. You have to be willing to go where the truth takes you.

      • Bigweight

        “very good person”…again…you use what standard? Giving to the poor..is that an “evolutionary” trait? I digress, we must use the exact standard that Mr. Ehrman is so vociferously trying to dispute as the Word of God that approximately 3600 ancient texts(religious and secular)edify and prove without a doubt the authenticity of the Bible. Or how about this do a little research on the En-Gedi scroll that was just deciphered, it is from the 1st century. You can continue to follow your false prophet and golden calf to your eternal demise, to which I will not. The Truth is already taking me to my eternity…

        • Biscuit

          “Mr. Ehrman is so vociferously trying to dispute” tells me that you are not very familiar with him. You could learn a lot from him; his knowledge and facts come without arrogance.

          • Charles

            You can’t get any more arrogant than calling God a liar. What facts? Spelling errors?

          • Biscuit

            Do you really believe God wrote the Bible? The first Gospel Mark wasn’t written until ~35 years after the death of Jesus. Why did God wait so long to write them? So during that 35 year period, the stories of Jesus were told through oral traditions. Each person telling the story to fit their objectives. After Mark was written, Matthew and Luke used the Gospel of Mark for much of their writings (if God wrote it, why would he have to copy it from Mark?). John was written ~65 years after the death of Jesus. Because John did not copy from Mark, we see the most contradictions and discrepancies (John has Jesus crucified before eating the Passover meal while the synoptic Gospels have Jesus crucified after eating the Passover meal. Also in John, Jesus goes around telling everyone that he is God and from eternity past. Do you think that the writers of the synoptic Gospels just forget to mention that??).

          • Charles

            “Do you really believe God wrote the Bible?”
            Yes I do.
            Bart Ehrman doesn’t believe in God, so he wouldn’t be able to understand it as a believer would..

            (Mat 13:10 MKJV) And the disciples said to Him, Why do You speak to them in parables?
            (Mat 13:11 MKJV) He answered and said to them, Because it is given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven, but it is not given to them.
            (Mat 13:12 MKJV) For whoever has, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance. But whoever does not have, from him shall be taken away even that which he has.
            (Mat 13:13 MKJV) Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not; nor do they understand.
            (Mat 13:14 MKJV) And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which said, “By hearing you shall hear and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see and shall not perceive;
            (Mat 13:15 MKJV) for this people’s heart has become gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and they have closed their eyes, lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.”
            (Mat 13:16 MKJV) But blessed are your eyes, for they see; and your ears, for they hear.
            (Mat 13:17 MKJV) For truly I say to you that many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which you see, and have not seen them; and to hear what you hear, and have not heard them.

            I don’t claim to understand all of the things in Bible.. But I don’t label them a contradiction or “Flaw” simply because I don’t understand it. Since Bart Ehrman isn’t a believer, he will never truly understand it. I will say this is a deep question which has been debated for a long time. I think I have a handle on why John’s varies, but I will need to research this a bit more an get back to you with my analysis.

          • Biscuit

            Quoting scripture will never win a debate because I could find you a counter scripture almost every time. We would just go back and forth with quoting scriptures. Dr. Ehrman is not a believer because of the contradictions and inconsistencies. He was still a Christian for years after coming to the realization that the Bible was not inerrant. He lost his faith when he realized that with all of the human suffering in the world, there could not be a God who is in control of our lives. Dr. Ehrman was exactly where you are now. He understands both extremes (fundamentalist and agnostic).

          • Charles

            Ehrman doesn’t have any faith because he uses mans reasoning, which means he had no trust or faith in God… Just because God had things setup thats contrary to the way humans reason means little. I can tell you from experience, God exist from many things in my own life.. Ehrman is not where I’m at.. I had fallen away for some time, but the Lord brought me back. Why do you think he has it setup this way? He wants to see what you’ve got… If everything was gravy train on earth, there would be no need for faith. The Lord is separating the wheat from the chaff.

          • Biscuit

            I am glad that your faith works for you, many people would appreciate however that fundamentalist don’t try to control the lives of others (If you don’t like abortions, not have one; if you don’t like homosexuality, don’t marry someone of the same sex). Live your life and let other people live their life.

          • Charles

            Never have tried to control peoples lives.. I don’t want my taxes going for blood money (Abortion). You know your tax money goes to Saudi Arabia where they execute homosexuals (And everyone else who opposes Islam, or the regime)? Do you have a problem with this? Marriage of man and woman is a God made sacred institution, so we are at odds here.

          • Biscuit

            Thank you for not trying to control other people’s lives. Yes, I do have a problem with Saudi Arabia executing homosexuals. This supports my claim that the scriptures of major religions are the writings and beliefs of men. Since they have the same belief about homosexuality, do they share the same God or perhaps did heterosexual men, who wrote the scriptures, share the same negative opinions about homosexuals?

          • Charles

            Sooooooo.. You have a problem with homosexuals being murdered by the Saudi’s but don’t have a problem with unborn babies being slaughtered?

          • Biscuit

            No, I have a problem with both, if the fetus is late term. The problem is that religious beliefs prevent all abortions and even contraception. I do not have a problem with the morning after pill or very early termination in the pregnancy. Forcing a woman to have a child that they do not want for many different reasons (rape, health, poverty, etc) is only a “feel good” solution. We seem to forget the pain that the child forced into this world might experience (starvation, abuse, torture, etc).

          • Biscuit

            What spelling errors are you referring to?

          • Charles

            The Mark of the beast 616 or 606 issue.. I’m sure you can find on youtube about Ehrman speaking of some of the spelling errors..

          • Biscuit

            You are correct, most of the differences in the early manuscripts are just spelling errors and completely insignificant. However there are some differences in the manuscripts that are very significant.

          • Amos Moses

            Numerous debates of BE and Dr. JAmes White are available on the u-tube machine …… i would encourage any who are willing to watch …. but please use an open bible …………..

          • Biscuit

            I watched all of them. Both of them were very intelligent. There is nothing more powerful than someone who was in the previous position. Dr. Ehrman was a fundamentalist (no fun, too much damn, and not enough mental). At that time nobody could get through the blinders he had on. Fortunately for him, he used his brain and the blinders were removed. He then was able to easily see the numerous contradictions and discrepancies in the Bible and came to realize that it was a very human effort. It is sad that so many fundamentalist that need to keep their blinders on in order to maintain their faith. Why do you need to pretend that you have a perfect Bible? Would you lose your faith?

          • Amos Moses

            nope …. he opened his mind and his brain fell out …………

          • Biscuit

            LOL!

          • Amos Moses

            the bible is perfect …. no need to pretend ………. it is perfect for the purpose it was created to be ……. no loss of faith ….. and Bart Error-man is still in error ….

          • Biscuit

            What do you mean by perfect? No contradictions and inconsistencies? If that is what you mean by perfect, then you are only pretending since there are many contradictions and inconsistencies. Apologist are only apologizing for the differences with very poor reasoning.

          • Amos Moses

            Perfect for the purpose it was created to be …………… a daisy is many times perfect ….. can you use it to put out a fire ….. no ….. that is not its purpose ………. the bible is not a history book or a science book ……… and we dont even have to get into the inconsistencies in either of those ….. they are monumental ….. but you want to hold the bible to a standard of your making ….. it is perfect in that it is about one thing and one thing only …… or rather person ….. and that person is Christ …… and it is about Christ from beginning to end ….. and it is about DOCTRINE …….. and that doctrine is perfect …..

            do you have a conniption when you listen to the weatherman read the weather report and they say the sun rose at such and such a time ………. or set at such and such a time ….

          • Biscuit

            Since Jesus was crucified, his body was missing from the tomb, and some people claimed to have seen him again, the early Christians had to decide what this all meant. The earliest belief was that Jesus became the son of God at the resurrection (you are my beloved son, today I have begotten you – Acts). Then Mark believed Jesus became the son of God at the baptism. Move it back further to his birth in both Matthew and Luke. Take it further back in John to believing that Jesus was God before the world was formed and that Jesus is God (but there was a time when Jesus did not exist). Later in 325CE, over 300 bishops decided at the council of Nicaea that Jesus was not a subordinate to God, but equal and always existed (never a time when he didn’t exist). Christian also had to decide that if Jesus was God, why was he crucified? Reasoning led them to believe that if he was not crucified for his sins, he must have been crucified for our sins. All of this seems like a very human development to me. Who made it perfect in your mind (God or humans?).

          • Amos Moses

            so you sit in judgement of God and scripture …..got it …. that has been apparent from the beginning ……

          • Biscuit

            “so you sit in judgement of God and scripture”, no I only have an opinion on scriptures. I cannot be judging God if I believe the Bible was a very human effort, can I?

          • Amos Moses

            “I cannot be judging God if I believe the Bible was a very human effort, can I?”

            yes and you just did …………..

          • Bigweight

            No, I speak to you as humbly as I can sir. The arrogance is on Mr Ehrman, as the Apostle Paul said in Acts 20:30, “and from among your ownselves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.” Mr. Ehrman speaks foolishly drawing away men such as yourself with a false Gospel. Be not deceived, men that speak from a “truth” that they do not subscribe too is a twisted Gospel, this is because he does not have the guidance of the Holy Spirit living within him(unsaved and unrepentant). That Holy Spirit guidance from within allows “wisdom” and can only be put in us by asking for forgiveness and accepting the free gift of Christ Jesus, anything that is just “knowledge” is blasphemy and will be held accountable to every word in his own time. Repent for breaking God’s law before it is to late for you. If you were to die today, where would you spend your eternity? I sincerely pray this to you and for true”wisdom”. God speed.

          • Biscuit

            If you were to die today, where would you spend your eternity? If you are to believe what is written in the Bible, you would be waiting in your grave for the second coming of Jesus. In Bible times, the return was to occur in a very short time (some of you standing here, will not taste death before the Son of Man returns). Because it never came, Christians came up with a different human belief that the soul goes directly to Heaven when a person dies. This may or may not be the case (who really knowS?) but it is certainly not Biblical to have that belief.

      • Mint Julep

        Hogwash. He’s a bitter, peevish ex-Christian who spews his hate for Christians 24/7. If you think that little hate-filled weasel is charitable with the money he earns from his hate, you really are gullible beyond belief.

      • Amos Moses

        Bart Error-man ….. yeah … no … i think not …………. Bart does not know the truth and does willful violence to scripture …………

  • Reason2012

    When any church does this, they are simply shows true born again believers in God that satan is now leading such a church and it is to be avoided. Those who truly are saved need to leave that church and find one actually being led by God.

    • Emmanuel

      Amen!

  • Toro Keng

    ” …… passed a motion 61 percent ……… ”

    Duh…….~ you dont even need to vote.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    The Church should strive after God’s holiness instead of including sexual perversion:
    “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.” ( I Corinthians ch.6)

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity = regardless of affirmed rebellion against God or willful mental illness

  • Dan Jones

    We must pray for them not condemn them…

    Always be a light that is shininginthedark

  • Eddie Mora

    I’m Blessed to see such a stand and obedience to the word of God. By this not only will God bless this organization but think of how it fulfills and streghthen the Body of christ as a whole. Blessed to see ur faithfulness to the will of God.!
    Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. 2 Cor. 1:21

  • Bertha Warren

    They can come in as member, until they Let Power Of Jesus Tranform their lives, through. Preaching of Gospel and Holy Spirit. They must be born again, forsaken their lives and asking Jesus give them new heart and new mind. Coming in as a leader without being born again, your asking, for division in your House of God.

  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Kingdom Ambassador

    Churches allowing practicing sodomites and lesbians to be members is but another of tens of thousands of consequences of the whirlwind today’s America is reaping as a consequence of the wind sown by the late 18th-century founders when they rejected Yahweh as sovereign and thus His law as supreme:

    “[B]ecause they have transgressed my covenant, and trespassed against my law … they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind….” (Hosea 8:1,7)

    Had the constitutional framers done the same as their 17th-century Christian Colonial framers by establishing a government of, by, and for God based upon His moral law (including Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13), there would be no homosexual agenda period because no sodomite or lesbian would dare risk exposing themselves to petition government (or churches) for their
    “rights.”

    For more on how Yahweh’s triune moral law (His Ten Commandments and their respective statutes and judgments) apply and should be implemented to day, see free online book “Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance Under the New Covenant.” Click on my picture, then our website. Go to our Online Books page and scroll down to title.

    Then find out how much you REALLY know about the Constitution as compared to the Bible. Take our 10-question Constitution Survey in the right-hand sidebar and receive a complimentary copy of a book that EXAMINES the Constitution by the Bible.

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  • robertzaccour

    There’s a difference between being imperfect and choosing to live a sinful lifestyle.

  • BravesFan

    Stop calling yourselves Baptist then. Isaiah 5:20 – Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

  • Saab340A

    As far back as the 70’s, I remember J. Vernon McGee saying that true believers would eventually be persecuted by the denominational churches. As the decades have passed, I can indeed see his point in seeing this as being a part of the great apostasy. It makes me shudder, seeing the corruption and knowing what these souls face in eternity. Run as fast as you can away from any church that succumbs to the lies of the enemy. They are on the path to destruction.

  • Gena B

    There is a big difference between what the world sees as okay and what God deems sinful. I wouldn’t want an adulterer or a drunkard leading the church either. It’s not accidental sin, it’s purposeful disobedience. How much a person loves God, shows through their actions. Not perfection but direction. God set the standard from creation regardless if people disagree, God’s judgement will be just as he promised upon those who live in disobedience. Don’t follow a blind man you’ll just fall into the same ditch.

  • I’m The Boss

    How does a Bible believing church accept this nonsense. I will challenge anyone on this topic. Either you’ve been hanging around Obama or you haven’t read the Bible. What part of “if anyone preaches another Gospel let him be accursed” or “if anyone adds or takes away from this book will have the plagues in this book added to them” do you not understand? This is appeasement and blasphemy at its worst. Someone in leadership is pushing this agenda for self gain and needs to be removed. There are wolves in sheeps clothing with the spirit of jezebel lingering in these churches. Go revist the qualifications of a Pastor. Here are just two that disqualifies your church: HE (not she) must be the husband of one wife (women), must be above reproach. This ordaining of gay pastors must be stopped and rebuked. Shame on you leaders of this church for selling out Jesus like Judas did. Repent before it’s too late.

  • Robert

    Even born of God true believers can have a hedrox belief and especially when a loved one is involved in a sin such as homosexuality

  • Mr Dave

    How can a Minister of Jesus Christ turn his back on the Word of God and expect to get away with it. He also leads an entire congregation down that same sinful path. He puts himself and that particular church on a path of destruction…physically and spiritually. I pray God will grip your heart and turn the leadership around.

  • Gena B

    Churches need to stop doing hat tricks and the song and dance to win converts! Stop appeasing the world! You never saw Jesus tap dancing or having a big show with the disciples to win converts. Christians present the truth of the gospel in all it’s beautiful splendor and let God take it from there. Not one person can save anyone, no bending, rock shows or advertising is going to save someone, that’s why we have a savior. God is holy and set the standard, we should be on our knees thanking Him for taking us in as one of His children.

  • Tim Huckabay

    Homosexuality (sodomy and lesbianism) and bestiality are mortal sins. We have God’s written Word for that—and His Truth is forever true. So, any group that embraces such sin among its members is NO “church,” but merely apostate and choosing Hell over Heaven.

  • peanut butter

    Not in Texas!

  • pfness

    Let them break away and become whatever religion they want because they are no longer Christian and should not falsely claim they are.

  • poppyw

    Some people have said that God owes an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah if He doesn’t punish America for those same sins. God will punish America severely in the coming end days Seals judgment. God is mercifully holding back because His Church on earth, the Body of Christ, which consists of all living born-again believers is still here. Soon we will be taken to our real home in Heaven. Then, great destruction shall befall those who practice sinning. Please, you people who have rejected Christ, There is still time to escape the most awful events this world has ever seen. Choose Christ the Savior. There is no other way.

  • Mary Lyons

    Not only Baptist, but many of the non-denominational independent Christian, Methodist, Episcopalian, Lutheran churches have now joined the apostasy that sprung up across America that started with the “Purpose Driven Life” apostasy created by Rick Warren.

    They opened their door an inch and the devil has taken over by their watering down the Gospel and compromising with the world’s stands, morals, values and principles.

    The open arm extension to homosexuals to be welcomed in the churches, to become members and placed in leadership roles is an abomination, God says so in Romans, Chapter One. So, when these churches begin to fail by compromising the Word of God with the world, God will send leans to their souls.

    God’s Holy Spirit will NOT abide in the same place. God will withdraw His Holy Spirit. I wonder how many pastors will sense God’s Holy Spirit leaving their church? I am afraid not many, because they have chosen to go along with “this is a new century and we need something new and different to reach the lost.” Really? God is the same, yesterday, today and forever. The Gospel hasn’t changed!! The only change that has come is a worldly and fleshly change that was conjured up by “Purpose Driven Life” bunch that is now damaging the church. Jesus, Paul and Peter warned that this would happen in the last days. They crept into the church while the church was lazy, complacent and sleeping and the church took this “needing a change in the new century” hook, line and sinker.

    Sad thing is, to see the church and the Gospel so watered down, there is no difference between the world and the church now. They have all become clones of one another. Everyone now dresses down saying, they must “change” to make the world “feel comfortable” in their church. You no longer see men wearing suits and ties, and even pastors are now dressing down. What does that say to people who are perishing? Isn’t the church suppose to be an example of being separate from the world? So, why is the church compromising? Why is the church removing the word “church” from their buildings? Why have they removed hymnals and Bibles from the sanctuary? Why are they using big screens? Why can’t each and every church get on their knees and ask God what He wants to do in THEIR church? Why must there be the same apostasy on every corner now?

    The worship “teams” sing like they are in a competition for American Idol or a Las Vegas act, and there is no true worship that brings one into worship. All the music is what I term “7-11 music,” they sing the same 7 words 11 times, over and over, and louder and louder as though God can’t hear them. This is not true worship. It is clanging cymbals and stench in God’s nostrils.

    What union does light have with darkness?

  • Crusader777

    Congregations being mislead by wolves in sheep’s clothing.

    Matthew 7

    The Narrow and Wide Gates

    13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

    True and False Prophets

    15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

    True and False Disciples

    21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

    • Roy Hobs

      Amazing at how ‘half’ of the New Testament is ignored in today’s “Christianity”.
      But Paul did prophecy there will be many “gospels” and many versions of Jesus. 2 Corinthians 11:4