Appeals Court Upholds School District’s Order for Teacher to Cleanse Christianity From Classroom

chalkboardCHEEKTOWAGA, N.Y. — An appeals court has upheld a lower court ruling siding with a New York school district that instructed a teacher to cleanse Christianity from her classroom under threat of termination.

The Buffalo News reports that the Second Circuit Court of Appeals this month rejected the arguments of high school biology and anatomy teacher Joelle Silver that the Cheektowaga Central School District violated her rights to free speech and the free exercise of religion.

As previously reported, several years ago, Silver, who identifies as a Christian, had displayed several inspirational posters and artworks in her classroom, including a number of Scripture references and Christian materials.

One poster in Silver’s classroom included a quote from former President Ronald Reagan:

“Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience,” it read. “… Without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure … If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under.”

Other materials included a drawing of three crosses on a hill, four small posters featuring verses from Psalms, and several sticky notes with biblical citations adhered to the back of Silver’s desk.

In 2012, representatives with the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) learned of Silver’s Christian materials and complained to district officials. Soon afterward, Silver received a warning letter from the school superintendent advising her to cleanse her classroom of the Christian materials.

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“I … want to caution you that your constitutional rights, including those you enjoy under the First Amendment, are not without their limitations,” he warned. “It is my conclusion that you are using your publicly funded classroom to express your personal religious beliefs to your students, including but not limited to your apparent belief in the divine inspiration and authority of the Bible as the word of God.”

The superintendent ordered Silver to remove all of her religious materials or face the termination of her employment.

“If you need to be able to occasionally glance at inspirational Bible verses between classes during the course of the day, I suggest that you keep such material in a discreet folder that only you will have access to,” he instructed. “You may keep such a folder in a drawer of your desk, so long as you take precautions not to share it or disclose its contents to your students or their parents or guardians.”

After receiving the letter, Silver decided to challenge the school in court, alleging that the superintendent’s orders were a violation of her religious freedoms. With help from the American Freedom Law Center, Silver filed a lawsuit that argued that the Bible “guides her actions, including her actions as a public school teacher.”

The Center furthermore opined in statements that in telling Silver to keep the sayings hidden, the district treated the Bible like it was a “form of obscenity.”

“I believe that my First Amendment rights were violated last June when I was asked to do some things regarding taking some posters down and to censor my speech in the classroom,” Silver told reporters. “As a Christian and as an American I feel it’s incredibly important to fight to protect the rights that people have died to give them.”

In 2014, a federal district court ruled in the school district’s favor, arguing that the display of Christian materials was inappropriate. In a 42-page opinion, U.S. Magistrate Judge Leslie Foschio said the school district did “not infringe any liberties” by ordering Silver to remove the texts.

Therefore, the Center appealed to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan, and presented oral argument on Oct. 25.

“Public school officials restricted Ms. Silver’s personal, non-curricular speech and effectively ordered her to cease being a Christian while she is on school property in direct violation of the First Amendment and the equal protection guarantee of the Fourteenth Amendment,” Center Co-Founder Robert Muise said in a statement prior to the hearing.

But this month, the court upheld Foschio’s ruling. Silver’s case might now go to the U.S. Supreme Court.

As previously reported, in 1828, just 52 years after the nation’s founding, Noah Webster, known as the Father of American Scholarship and Education, wrote, “In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government, ought to be instructed. … No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.”

Webster, a schoolmaster, wrote the quote in his preface to the nation’s first dictionary, which often cited Christianity and the Bible.

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  • Reason2012

    “It is my conclusion that you are using your publicly funded classroom to express your personal religious beliefs to your students

    Funded by a public the vast majority of which profess belief in that selfsame God – that upholds the Constitution of the United States of America that offers our free exercise of religion, not only free where those who hate Christianity give their permission. The same country that was founded by those who believe in and follow God. The same country where those in education have expressed their beliefs with no problem since public education began. It’s only now the Constitution is being twisted to instead supposedly say you only have freedom of religion where those who hate Christianity give you permission.

    They need to be sued.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      They were sued. They won. Twice.

  • james blue

    Why do so many teachers seek positions teaching subjects they clearly don’t believe?

    I’m with the school on this one. She is paid to teach a specific subject, not use public funds to “spread the word” to a captive audience of minors We have the right to free speech, not the right to have a platform provided to us.

    The school most certainly did not order her to “cleanse” Christianity from the classroom. They suggested she has a personal access.

  • the greedy boat

    this woman should teach at a parochial school, she would be more comfortable there.

  • Tom Price

    “Congress shall pass no laws . . . .”
    Did congress pass a law stating that this teacher should post religious materials? If not, then she did nothing wrong according to the constitution. JUDGES, READ THE CONSTITUTION!!

    • james blue

      So you’d be okay from a legal standpoint with a teacher posting satanist stuff on the walls of the class?

      She is free to be a Christian, she is free to have he own personal material. But we have the right to free speech, not the right to have a platform provided to us.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      They did. The whole Constitution, not just the parts that you like. The 14th Amendment applies any restrictions on the Federal Government to state actors as well.

  • Emtieswall

    These are the same people who bash Christians over the Inquisition.

    They have no problem with repression and censorship, so long as they get to be the Inquisitors. They even use the same language as the Inquisition – “cleansing.”

  • Idaho Bob

    A battle was won at the election both two weeks ago, but the war is far from over.

    “Blessed be the LORD my Rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle— My lovingkindness and my fortress, My high tower and my deliverer, My shield and the One in whom I take refuge, Who subdues my people under me (Psalms 144:1-2)”.

  • bowie1

    Can this be compared to ethnic cleansing with the difference being her Christianity?

    • Michael C

      Was she executed? No? Terribly ignorant comment.

      • Amos Moses

        No ……. Christ is being expunged ……….

        • Michael C

          Here in the United States, we have this thing called religious freedom. Joelle Silver is free to practice her faith. The U.S. government respects her freedom of religion. The U.S. government, it’s laws, and Constitution has no interest in “expunging” anyone’s freedom of religion.

          Nobody is “expunging” Christ.

          • Amos Moses

            Here in the US we have this thing about glorying in sodomy and sexual sin and woe to any that do not embrace the depravity of that religion of satanism and sexual (sodomic) “rights” …………..

        • tatoo

          I only wish that were true.

      • bowie1

        It’s the word cleansing that is ignorant.

      • Reason2012

        Ethnic cleansing can be forcing others to leave, not just_killing them.

        Speaking of which, still waiting for your posts denouncing the ideology of_islam / shariah law when 50 LGBT were slaughtered yet again here on American soil by someone yet again doing what it commands, while 13 countries, MILLIONS of islamists, consent to their laws leading to exactly that almost daily.

        That you show no such thing lets everyone else know LGBT activists like you actually hate the LGBT community, but just use them to wage your war of hate against Christians.

        • johndoe

          Nobody has to post anything to prove anything. Why dont you take your Islamic racism overto Pam Gellar or Robert Spencers websites. Far more appropriate venue for you to bash Muslims. Hopefully people have pity for those like yourself.

        • Michael C

          Ethnic cleansing can be forcing others to leave, not just_killing them.

          …and this would still be a ridiculous and incredibly offensive comparison. The vast majority of the United States is Christian. Even intimating that this situation is anything like ethnic cleansing is just plain ignorant.

          Speaking of which, still waiting for your posts denouncing the ideology of_islam

          As I told you before, “Do I blame all Muslims? No. Just as I don’t blame all Christians for the way you choose to treat people. That just wouldn’t be fair.”

          • Reason2012

            ..and this would still be a ridiculous and incredibly offensive comparison. The vast majority of the United States is Christian. Even intimating that this situation is anything like ethnic cleansing is just plain ignorant.

            REMOVING Christian teachers, Christian bakers, Christian florists, Christian photographers and the list grows is what is incredibly offensive. That is ethnic cleansing even if no one is_killed.

            And remaining silent while those who follow islam by the millions consent to LGBT being put to death, 50 of them being slaughtered on American soil, while you feign offense at speaking out over Christians being targeted by activists like you only shows everyone what LGBT activists’ real motive is: defending ISLAM while using LGBT that they don’t really care about only as a means of feigning offense and trying to get Christians out of their positions or at least to remain silent about their Christian beliefs except where you give them permission.

        • Kevin Quillen

          the left stands up against Christians because they know that we are peaceful and loving, and will not saw their heads off. Stand up to radical Muslims…..not so much. It is cowardice.

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  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Communist USA? It is impossible to erase off Christianity from USA. Like Russia and all other former Christendoms, USA has nothing historic or decent apart from Christianity.

    • johndoe

      They’re not trying to erase it from America. It has no place in the classroom. Christianity isn’t needed for goodness.

  • Guzzman

    This public school teacher failed Civics 101. As an employee of a public school, a government institution, she cannot use her government position to promote her personal religious beliefs. This is established law, as she discovered. If she wants to quote Reagan, I suggest she start with this one:

    “We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must remain, separate. All are free to believe or not believe, all are free to practice a faith or not, and those who believe are free, and should be free, to speak of and act on their belief.”
    – Ronald Reagan, Speech to Temple Hillel and Community Leaders in Valley Stream (October 26, 1984)

  • robertzaccour

    Our country was founded on Christian principles. How are they going to go about omitting chapters in history class?

    • Palsgraf’s Scale

      That can be taught without proselytizing, such as they are uniquely christian principals. Many of the same moral and governmental principals can be traced back to the Ancient Greeks, who were not very good christians in 400 B.C.E.

      There is a difference between teaching the context in which religions impact the world and teaching the religion itself. I could teach you all about the Crusades without once resorting to a piece of your scripture or a moral lesson.

      • David van Heerden

        You prefer your Christianity without Christ. That’s ianity, which is an n short of inanity. It still amounts to nothing.

        • Palsgraf’s Scale

          I prefer not to involve religion with anything except in a purely historical context. “This is what the Crusader’s believed and why. This is what the Saracens believed and why. This is why they chose what they chose”. And you can teach the history without any of the religion. Nothing more than that is required in a secondary school’s education about history. No preaching.

          If you want to learn the word of your god, do it in church and at home. Its a pretty simple thing to do.

    • Guzzman

      You wrote, “Our country was founded on Christian principles.” If the Constitution, our founding document, is based on Christian principles, why did the men who wrote it, advocated and explained its meaning to the people during the ratification debates fail to say so? We have the Federalist Papers, written by John Jay, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison to explain each provision of the Constitution. In those essays they explain the origin of many of those provisions and there is not a SINGLE reference to the Bible or to Christian theology. Given that the Federalist Papers were written to explain and defend the provisions of the Constitution to a predominately Christian populace, it would certainly have helped their cause to cite biblical support for those ideas; they could not, because none exists.

      If the Constitution is brimming with Christian principles then why, for more than a century after the Constitution was ratified, were attempts made over and over again by Christian groups such as the National Reform Association to add a “Christian nation” amendment to that document. Seems redundant, doesn’t it, that if the Constitution was already chock-full of Christian principles, why would Christians keep trying to add Christian ideas and language to it? The conservative Christian position from the very start was that the Constitution was a “godless document” that would bring down God’s wrath upon us all.

      • robertzaccour

        tl;dr your copy and paste

        • Guzzman

          Nope, not a copy and paste. You’re just upset I blew your ridiculous argument out of the water. I provided ample facts and evidence. If you assert that the United States was founded on Christian principles, then you need to support that with evidence.

          And unlike you, I do not suffer from attention deficit disorder. I will persevere and read whatever facts and evidence you provide.

          • robertzaccour

            The majority of the founding fathers had strong Christian values which helped shape The Constitution and The Bill of Rights. Historical documents profoundly prove this to be true. I could share resource after resource but arguing on the internet ain’t for me. You’re free to do your own research on that if you choose to. I’ve got a joke about that but it may be considered offensive so I digress… Anywho, I hope your Thanksgiving has been a great one and God bless.

          • Guzzman

            Some of the Founders did comment on the historical value of religion to society. So what? Some of the more prominent ones were religious skeptics and deists who did not believe in the supernatural at all. For example, Thomas Paine wrote an entire book (“The Age of Reason”) criticizing the legitimacy of the Bible, calling it a “fabulous mythology.”

            But the Founders set aside their personal religious views when writing the U.S. Constitution because these men, with all of their religious differences of opinion, shared a commitment to the “separation between religion and government” (to use Madison’s term, Detached Memoranda, ca. 1820).

            You seem to think that if the Founders can be pegged as devout Christians, then it somehow follows that the U.S. Constitution is a Christian document which embodies Christian principles and doctrines (as defined by the Christian Right, of course). This plainly does not follow. A Christian is every bit as capable of creating a religiously neutral document as a non-Christian. And in fact, the drafters of the Constitution did write an entirely secular document – the COMPLETE absence of Christian language and references in the Constitution was deliberate and consistent with the strict religious neutrality of the entire document.

            So no, the United States was in no sense founded on Christian principles.

  • Crusader777

    When all of these unbelievers are burning in Hell they will remember persecuting the faithful and have that sin upon them forever.
    The Bible and the Christian faith were the very foundations of our Nation and the truth can never be denied. Evil is being driven back but we must keep up the Good Fight of Faith and restore what the enemies have stolen.

  • Kent Harris

    Any student wearing a head scarf would be forced to remove it. No reciting of five pillars of Islam. Let us be clear if a student were to advocate Islam or any other religion they would be removed from school premises. If the left is so much against Christianity then let us go full tilt against all other religions, too.

    • The Skeptical Chymist

      You don’t understand the issue here. The problem is government endorsement of a religion. Here, the teacher is an agent of the government and is prohibited from endorsing a religion while acting in her role as a teacher.

      Students are not agents of the government. In this situation, they are subjects of the government. They have complete freedom to express their religious beliefs, as long as their actions aren’t disruptive and don’t impinge on anyone else’s freedoms. Students have the right to wear crosses, pray before meals or before tests (again, as long as they’re not disruptive ).

      This is a simple matter of making the government a government for all the people, not just those of a particular religion.

      • Kent Harris

        One cannot say to one you have rights but turn around and say you don’t. The U.S. Constitution clearly states Freedom of Religion meaning quite simply that an individual is free to exercise as he or she sees fit in the public arena. Democrats say Freedom of Worship but that entails restrictions on the free exercise clause. Teachers,, military, police officers or any other public servant cannot be prohibited from the free exercise of one’s belief.

        • Michael C

          Teachers,, military, police officers or any other public servant cannot be prohibited from the free exercise of one’s belief.

          In regards to their employment, yes they can. …just as you can be prohibited by your employer from doing certain things. Let’s say I work work at a coffee shop. Now let’s say that I want to preach the good news to every customer that walks in the door. Now let’s say that my boss tells me to stop. Guess what, if I don’t stop, I could lose my job.

          My boss wouldn’t be able to stifle the free exercise of my religion in my personal life, however. Those rights are protected by the Constitution.

          • Kent Harris

            An employer cannot prevent an individual from talking about God. If so, they would face a lawsuit. No employer can prevent or harass an employee from speaking about God. As an individual you have inherent rights. Now the employer can tell an employee to do certain things but they cannot prohibit them from speaking at work about God. I have on many occasions have spoken to people about God and in no way has my employer ever threaten to fire me over it. The First Amendment is not a private affair but in fact public, so one can discuss any topic without fear of reprisal.

          • Michael C

            You are incorrect. An employer must respect the religious beliefs of their employees. An employer cannot discriminate on the basis of their employee’s religious beliefs. An employer must make reasonable accommodations for their employee’s religious practices.

            An employer can, however, fire an employee for proselytizing to customers and/or coworkers just as an employer can fire an employee for using foul language or being argumentative or for telling customers that they can get better deals elsewhere or for insulting their coworkers etc., etc.

            You don’t seem to understand how The First Amendment works. It protects us from punishment from the government. It doesn’t guarantee us protection from any and all consequences of our actions.

        • Guzzman

          You wrote, “Teachers,, military, police officers or any other public servant cannot be prohibited from the free exercise of one’s belief.” Wrong. The government has no religious freedom – under the enumerated powers given to it under the Constitution, there is no grant of authority over religious matters. In this case, the public school teacher IS government, so acting in her official capacity as a government representative, she does not have the authority to speak for the government on religious matters and cannot lawfully use her position to promote her religious beliefs. When not acting as a government employee, she is free to exercise her religious beliefs to her heart’s content.

          Board of Education v. Mergens, 496 U.S. 226 (1990): “There is a crucial difference between government speech endorsing religion, which the Establishment Clause FORBIDS, and private speech endorsing religion, which the Free Speech and Free Exercise Clauses protect.”

          • Kent Harris

            Look. I strongly support an individual the right to express his or her religious viewpoint that includes any individual in the public sector. Historically speaking, there is no precedence in which one should be denied the opportunity to express it. One could argue that on our very currency ‘In God We Trust’ and we also had Benjamin Franklin at the Constitutional Convention saying to his fellow statesmen on the eve of the American Revolution to pray more. In the halls of Congress, there is prayer at the beginning of the session and on the front of Supreme Court is the Ten Commandments. We, as Americans, have a right to express one’s view. I say and I will say it again that any individual can and should be able to express their religious viewpoint without the political correct crowd demonizing them. My motto is ‘Live free or die.’ By the way, the case you mentioned should be immediately be overturned and thrown out. Hopefully, we can get some people on the courts who will abide by their oath and not create an atmosphere of contempt for those who hold a religious viewpoint.

          • Guzzman

            Government, which acts through its employees, has no religious rights. It has limited, enumerated powers, none of which grant it any authority over religious matters. A government employee, acting in an official capacity, cannot use that position to promote personal religious beliefs. It is settled law.

            Yes, Moses is depicted atop the Supreme Court Building, along with numerous other historical lawgivers. Is there significance to that? Why didn’t you also mention Menes, Hammurabi, Lycurgus, Solon, Draco, Confucius and Octavian (south wall); Justinian, Mohammed, Charlemagne, King John, Louis IX, Hugo Grotius, Sir William Blackstone, John Marshall and Napoleon (north wall)?

            Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Benjamin Franklin were tasked with designing the Great Seal of the United States, which they did – and it carried the phrase “E Pluribus Unum.” “In God We Trust” came along in 1956, a good stretch of time after our founding, wouldn’t you say?

            Speaking of Benjamin Franklin, the Constitutional Convention made a deliberate decision NOT to begin its proceedings with official public prayers. At one point when the Convention seemed hopelessly deadlocked, Benjamin Franklin offered an eloquent motion noting the omission of prayers and recommending that they be instituted. The motion was shot down. Franklin wrote that the Convention “except for three or four persons, thought prayers unnecessary.”

            As for chaplains opening sessions of Congress, that was an act James Madison, Father of the Constition, was adamantly against. It costs taxpayers about half a million dollars a year just in salaries. Madison: “[If] it be proper that public functionaries, as well as their Constituents should discharge their religious duties, let them like their Constituents, do so at their own expense.” (Detached Memoranda, circa 1820). Madison argued that Chaplains were “a palpable violation” of the constitutional separation between government and religion, and at the very least, members of Congress should pay for these “Ministers of religion” out of their own pockets.

          • Chet

            Pure hogwash! There’s still A National Day of Prayer celebrated and the Congress opens up with prayer to Holy God Almighty via the name of His only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. It’s a new day in America and Christians will be silenced no more even as President-elect Trump returns Merry Christmas in greetings everywhere…

          • Guzzman

            I stated constitutional facts and case law from the Supreme Court. If you believe my facts are “hogwash” then you need to come up with some evidence, otherwise your opinion is just that, opinion and nothing more.

            As for the National Day of Prayer, NDP was initiated within my lifetime, in 1953, and had nothing to do with the Founding Fathers. The NDP was challenged in 2010 and was ruled unconstitutional. That decision was appealed, and the appellate court ruled that the plaintiffs did not have standing to sue. So this leaves the matter unresolved on a technicality for the time being. A new plaintiff with standing can still file a lawsuit and take this matter to the Supreme Court if necessary.

            An no, President Trump cannot make anyone say “Merry Christmas”, any more than he can make us say “Allahu Akbar” simply because the government has no grant of authority over religious matters. To coerce speech in that manner would be blatantly unconstitutional under the First Amendment.

          • Chet

            In no wise did I suggest Trump would make anyone say Merry Christmas, but, rather, no longer would anyone have to be shy about such blessed greeting. God Almighty is present everywhere in this nation’s heritage and there’s no denying it. Meanwhile the NDP is still ongoing, for those who would attend, and Congress still opens with it. Nuff said…

          • Guzzman

            It was Trump himself who proclaimed in Iowa, “If I become president, we’re gonna be saying Merry Christmas at every store … You can leave happy holidays at the corner.” It is not clear how, as President, Trump could implement such a requirement. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees its citizens freedom of speech. A presidential order, or law passed by Congress to require store owners and employees to give a specific greeting would be clearly unconstitutional. It could not survive a constitutional challenge in the courts. Obviously, he has little understanding of how our Constitution works.

          • Chet

            Aw, don’t be ridiculous man… He means it will once again be not only permitted but popular to say Merry Christmas and praise the Lord Jesus Christ once again as opposed to being afraid to open one’s mouth. ANd unless you are a very young child you do understand this. Otherwise, obviously, you’re leaking oil…

          • Guzzman

            Trump very plainly tied his becoming president to the assertion, “we’re gonna be saying Merry Christmas at every store.” So the question is, how does he make this happen in his official capacity as president? Private business owners have free speech rights. If they want to be inclusive, retailers can have their employees say “Happy Holidays” or “Season’s Greetings” or “Have a good day.” The government cannot coerce what is to be said by private citizens “at every store.”

        • tatoo

          Students are allowed to wear religious gear and even to pray, but a teacher, as an agent of the government, can not do so in the school. They can not lead a prayer or endorse any religion. It is a simple concept.

      • Chet

        You might want to review all our founding diocuments to see the degree of influence God Almighty, of the Holy Bible, had on our forefathers, who, by the way, were neither ashamed nor intimidated to honor the Lord Jesus Christ…

      • 98C3LCMT9Y4

        The actual “problem” is the ignorance of the American citizens who do not understand our Constitution and system of alws.

  • Well_Read

    It’s the job of the students family to instruct them in religion, or not as they choose. A non christian student sent to her class would feel coerced into agreeing with her just to get a good grade and to fit in. No student should feel that kind of coercion in a govt funded public school. No persons religious beliefs can be changed by force of govt and govt should not try.

    This teacher will not change because of this, they never do. She shouldn’t be teaching in a public school.

  • Robert

    With a voucher pro president. We should soon see better schools and lots of them will be new christian schools..and kids won’t have to be taught lies about evolution either. Hopefuly

    • tatoo

      And there will also be more Madrassas.

      • Gary Whiteman

        Amazing, someone so incredibly ignorant that they don’t know the difference between Christianity and Islam.

        There are no Christian madrassas.

        No one is more ignorant than an atheist.

        • Guzzman

          I think the point tattoo was making is that school voucher schemes cannot be limited to Christian religious schools, but create precedent that ultimately cannot stop public funds from going to Muslim, Wiccan, even Satanic Temple schools. In fact, until Fall 2014 the Greensboro Islamic Academy was the leading recipient of school voucher funds in North Carolina, “although recent records provided by the N.C. State Education Assistance Authority show that the top recipient is now Raleigh’s Word of God Christian Academy, with Greensboro Islamic in second place having received $142,800 in taxpayer funds this year.”

          • Chet

            Was a time not all that long ago when anti God anti Christ liberals were in short supply and God Almighty, of the Holy Bible, was feared and honored even as the Lord Jesus Christ was praised and worshipped as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Now, look at the sad state America has fallen into. Dear God willing, the Trump/Pence team will remember to include the Lord in making America Great Again… A return to God of our fathers and sanity would sure go a long ways in America being again blessed and protected by the invisible hand of the Almighty…

          • Guzzman

            Trump wants to expand the use of school vouchers. School vouchers divert taxpayer funds from public schools to private schools, including Islamic academies. We need to honor our founding fathers’ intent to maintain a “separation between religion and government” (to borrow James Madison’s phrase). This is in everybody’s best interest. I don’t want my taxes paying to support Islamic, Wiccan, Satanic Temple, or any other religious enterprise. Like Madison said about chaplains in Congress – if you want ministers of religion to pray for you, then “do so at your own expense.”

          • Chet

            Your source, please, for inclusion of Islamic and Wiccan and Satanic Temple receiving of taxpayer funds, even if such becomes applied to Christian and private schools. Do you not understand or acknowledge that Christians and conservatives now govern this nation and they will not be doing so stupidly as anti God anti Christ liberals are wont to do. The “fundamental transformation” of America under duress is quickly nearing termination and facing overthrow wherever possible… And, respectfully, I pray for myself and others and do not stand in need of a minister to do so for me. Americans do not lose their freedom to practice their faith in the living Christ because someone is offended by their doing so. Those days are over as Christians Stand Up, Stand Up for Jesus Ye Soldiers of the Cross…

          • Guzzman

            Trump is promising to expand school voucher programs which divert public funds to private, mostly religious schools. School voucher schemes cannot be limited to Christian religious schools, but create a precedent that ultimately cannot stop public funds from going to Muslim, Wiccan, or even Satanic Temple schools. In fact, until Fall 2014 the Greensboro Islamic Academy was the leading recipient of school voucher funds in North Carolina, although more recent reports from the N.C. State Education Assistance Authority show the top recipient is now Raleigh’s Word of God Christian Academy, with Greensboro Islamic in 2nd place having received $142,800 and Raleigh’s Al-Iman Islamic School in 8th place having received $86,841in taxpayer funds.

          • Chet

            America was founded on Judeo/Christian principles and concepts, period. If those opposing schools you’ve listed want to receive taxpayer funding let them go through the process and elect representatives of their ilk who will fight for their cause. And if necessary, take their case to the soon to be more conservative Christian Supreme Court. Meanwhile, in that the majority are not of such persuasion as you’ve cited there’s no reason for the private and Christian schools to go unfavored. Furthermore, in today’s public schools, the Christian faith and Judaism are aggressively shunned and not to be referred to unless in derision while complimentary comments and learning opportunities regarding Islam are permitted and oftimes promoted. I’ll guarantee you should the incident as reported in this piece have happened via any form of belief other than the Lord Jesus Christ, no one would be shaken up and nothing would be done to this teacher to stifle her personal beliefs of which she would be so proud to share… As long as the government does not intervene in the Christian school or private schools business of teaching it’s students there should be no fear of favoring support financially. If they step in due to any premise of unfavored biblical instruction or historical content or merely for the sake of censorship, they should tell the government to keep their monies as we take our cues from the Holy Spirit of God via His Word, the Holy Bible… Stand Up, Stand Up for Jesus Ye Soldiers of the Cross…

          • Guzzman

            You wrote, “America was founded on Judeo/Christian principles and concepts, period.” If the Constitution, our founding document, is based on Judeo/Christian principles, why did the men who wrote it, advocated and explained its meaning to the people during the ratification debates fail to say so? We have the Federalist Papers, written by John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, and James Madison to explain each provision of the Constitution. In those essays they explain the origin of many of those provisions and there is not a SINGLE reference to the Bible or to Christian theology. Given that the Federalist Papers were written to explain and defend the provisions of the Constitution to a predominately Christian populace, it would certainly have helped their cause to cite biblical support for those ideas; they could not, because none exists.

            If the Constitution is brimming with Christian principles then why, over the course of more than a century after the Constitution was ratified, were attempts made over and over again by Christian groups such as the National Reform Association to add a “Christian nation” amendment to that document. Seems redundant, doesn’t it, that if the Constitution was already chock-full of Christian principles, why would Christians keep trying to add Christian ideas and language to it? The conservative Christian position from the very start was that the Constitution was a “godless document” that would bring down God’s wrath upon us all.

          • Chet

            Until fairly recently, and primarily while undergoing her “fundamental transformation” under duress, courtrooms openly and proudly posted the Ten Commandments, while crosses could also be found on government property. And such stood for great insight to the laws of our land. In fact, the SC still has place for biblical precepts yet today even as Congress opens with prayer, and that not to an unknown God… Today, there are godless individuals striving to have “Under God” removed from America’s Pledge of Allegiance. Respectfully, please know, Christians will no longer simply drop and roll over in the face of liberal anti God anti Christ opposition, regardless of the source. Stand Up, Stand Up for Jesus Ye Soldiers of the Cross is our battle cry… And within this army there are no sissies and no draftees, as all are volunteers. They are people who, in faith and repentance, have come to the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation, mercy and grace. They trust in His precious shed blood on the Cross, alone, to wash away all our myriad sins and in His literal resurrection for personal forgiveness and transformation… And Christians will not be stifled nor timid to claim such, despite haters and detractors… Merry Christmas and God bless…

          • Guzzman

            So I take it you have no evidence supporting your opinion that the United States was founded on Christian principles. Nothing in the Federalist Papers? Nothing in the Constitution itself? The Pledge of Allegiance – oh, wait, the original pledge said “one nation, indivisible”; the god thing wasn’t added until 1956, well after the founding of the United States.

            What you call “anti God anti Christ opposition” is really nothing more than non-Christians and non-religious folks demanding to be treated equally under the law. You want to make America great again by restoring unlawful Christian privilege. The U.S. was and is still great because our Founders saw the necessity of keeping government and religion separate.

            “The separation of church and state, or the ‘wall of separation’ talked about by colonial Baptist Roger Williams, American leader Thomas Jefferson, and the U.S. Supreme Court, is simply shorthand for expressing a deeper truth: religious liberty is best protected when church and state remain institutionally separated and neither tries to perform or interfere with the essential mission and work of the other.” – Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Freedom

          • Chet

            And yet, we have so much government interference in things pertaining to Christianity, i.,e., Little Sisters of the Poor. Stand by, Sir, as things are gonna change round heah as the people of the true and living God start taking a stand without fear or favor… No one is attempting to force Christianity on anyone anywhere, but, conversely, these anti God anti Christ forces are trying to stifle those who love and fear the Lord and wish to share his good news gospel to a lost and dying world of lost sinners. Besides, you should know there are no draftees in God’s army. Thus, it is impossible for any Christian to force anything on anyone who is disinterested and couldn’t care less about his own eternal soul and whether he/she will spend eternity in the land of bliss known as Heaven or whether he/she will drop into the pit of Hell, the madhouse of humanity, and suffer eternal torment in same… At the point of one’s death, in snapping-out into eternity, it’s too late for a decision for Christ and His free offer of mercy, grace and forgiveness via His shed blood on Calvary and his resurrection… Thanks for the exchange of ideas and God bless.

          • Guzzman

            You wrote, “No one is attempting to force Christianity on anyone anywhere…” That is simply not true. Thousands of complaints are filed every year against government representatives (e.g., public school teachers, state legislators, city council members, law enforcement officials, public school boards) who abuse their government positions and authority to promote personal religious beliefs. The vast majority of these complaints are resolved before going to court.

            Just this year, law enforcement officials were blocked from putting Christian cross decals on their publicly-owned vehicles, a state legislature was prevented from naming the Bible the official state book, county courthouses were told to take down 10 Commandments displays, public school teachers were told to stop proselytizing students, principals were told to stop giving youth ministers access to students during school hours, and so on.

            Why do government officials so often snub the Constitution? I guess because they can, that is, until someone complains. Local governments are learning that there’s a price to be paid for flaunting the Constitution – they must pay attorney fees for the plaintiffs. These fees can be substantial, which is why most cases are resolved well before going to trial.

          • Chet

            All Christians are part of God’s all volunteer army, no draftees. Thus, no one forces Christianity on anyone. Those who are thankful to be saved and forgiven of all their sins are to share this good news gospel with others everywhere IAW Matthew 28 and Mark 16, Holy Bible. ” The Lord is not slack concerning His promise as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward and not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance” II Peter 2:9, Holy Bible. As Americans we cherish our Constitution and all founding and governing documents and laws we can observe same as written and so directed biblically while not being cowered nor intimidated regarding our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. We shall no longer be stifled nor bullied but will continue to share God’s good news wherever possible, by His grace and leading without fear nor favor. No one is forced into believing and accepting God’s great mercy and grace via the Lord Jesus Christ, but, considering the consequences, we pray men will turn to the Saviour and avoid the damnation of Hell forever… And we do so as proud and thankful American citizens…

          • Guzzman

            You wrote, “Thus, no one forces Christianity on anyone.” You know that’s a lie. I just gave a synopsis of several cases where government employees used the authority of their positions to force their personal religious beliefs on others.

            In the current article about a public high school teacher, school officials documented numerous infractions where she pushed her religion on students, students who have NO CHOICE but to sit in her classroom as a condition of graduation. She lost in court – twice. But this is only one of thousands of documented cases where Christians have tried to use their government positions to force their personal religious beliefs onto others. So stop lying about Christians not trying to force their religion on others.

          • Chet

            No lying whatsoever. One could be imprisoned in a 6′ X 6′ cell with loudspeakers blaring out the simple plan of salvation on a repeat tape for hours on end and if the one hearing the good news gospel was not interested, he would not become a Christian. God Almighty forces His mercy and grace on no man as each man is born with free-will. In the Great Commission as recorded in Matthew 28 and Mark 16 of the Holy Bible, Christ commissions those who know Him to share the good news with other lost souls just as someone was kind enough to share such with us. And we believers take our orders from
            Him seriously. Or at least we ought to do so…

            You are void of understanding just why Christians share the love of God with the lost whenever possible. One can liken doing so to that of one driving down the street and spying someone’s house on fire. One can easily dismiss the situation, claiming, well, it’s none of my concern and just keep on driving never knowing whether or not the house is occupied and whether or not someone inside needs rescuing. In no wise could such indifferent person be categorized as a loving, kind, thoughtful person. However, the one who would slam on his brakes and take time to call 911 while running to the door and yelling to inquire if anyone was inside and in need, trying his best to help however possible. Such a person would very definitely be a caring, kind, thoughtful and loving individual to consider the possible desperate needs of another. Christians who witness when possible do so for no personal gain, no points to be earned with the Lord to help one go to Heaven at one’s death, as salvation is a free gift from God at Christ’s expense on Calvary’s Cross. They simply do so cause it’s the right thing to do and no one of good conscience would care to chance seeing a precious soul die in his sins and spend eternity in Hell, and needlessly so… Hope this helps a bit. God bless and thanks for the opportunity to share God’s love best I could……

          • 98C3LCMT9Y4

            Sorry, I and all the members of my family who have served in the military will remain with our great Constitution and our system of laws rather than your theocracy!

          • Chet

            Great. Nevertheless, Jesus still saves as God loves all us sinners, period. And the days of a Christian or Jew having to keep his mouth shut are coming to an end… And please be reminded just how much of our Constitution and associated founding documents were so formed and by whose influence. Hint, not the Devil’s…

          • 98C3LCMT9Y4

            It was formed by our founding fathers who had just won our freedome from a theocracy and had no intention of going down that route again [as noted over and over in the associated documents of the time.] . Boy, are you naive or as ignorant as a rock? You certainly know little of our nation’s history!

            And I care NOT what you say about your religion as long as it is NOT done on government time [and most certainly NOT to a captive audience of school children!]

            This globe does not need more radical religious nutcases [christians certainly have and still do fall into that category and have done so for over 2,000+ years and CERTAINLY QUALIFIES AS THE “DEVIL” if anything does] proclaiming that their ‘imaginary being” is the only one that should exist.

          • Chet

            Our founders sought to be delivered from their former homeland’s state approved brand of church known as Catholicism. They came to America to practice their “choice” to worship of God Almighty and the Lord Jesus Christ in their preferred manner, Protestantism. And they plainly did not desire the newly formed American government to turn around and do the selfsame thing in creating state sanctioned worship. They never purposed to divorce themselves from God, but, rather, that of man’s approved form of worship of the Lord.

            Apparently, you’re privy to extracirricular knowledge of things regarding “religion” as opposed to the rest of America as I only know one “church”, period, that qualify as nutcases who appear to hate the US Constitution and laws. And the one and only “church” I’m aware of does indeed present themselves as hateful. You are merely blowing smoke and most of us learned individuals who happen to be Christians can indeed see right through it all.

            Sadly, the real nutcases are those who are indifferent to the love of God Almighty as clearly demonstrated via the substitutionary death of His only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, on Calvary’s Cross, on behalf of all us sinners. There is a free gift of salvation and mercy which is offered to all men and it is in a person, not a church and not in “religion”, but, rather, the person of Christ, alone. Jesus saves from the guttermost to the uttermost and He has never turned anyone away. And Christians receive eternal life with innumerable days and endless time in Heaven, at death, rather than in Hell. That’s the difference between Christianity, which is all about one’s relationship with Holy God, creator of Heaven and Earth via Christ and that of “religion” which causes man to work to earn favor of the object of his misguided faith. And in the end, Hell is his final place of abode as a Christ rejector. Thanks for this opportunity to share and God bless…

          • 98C3LCMT9Y4

            England has NOT been “catholic” for centuries prior to our “revolution.

            You really are as dumb as a rock, aren’t you?

            “extracirricular?” Is that Palin ‘merican or were you educated with jasus coloring books rather than actual ‘textbooks”?

            I would sugget that you get a 6 year old to read the Federalist Papers to you [and an educated adult to explain the big words & concepts} as that was one method those “founding fathers” used to explain those concepts in our Constitution to the ignorant desperate despicable deplorable trash of that time period [something that is usually learned before one reaches the 9th grade currently.]

            Still not interested in your imaginary friend who never ever shows up anywhere but in your head when it tells you to hate and destroy and kill others who are not crazy loke you are.

          • Chet

            My man, no one shows up in my head telling me to kill or destroy anyone. And crazy or no, I’m as smart enough rock to stay out of eternal Hell. Can you say the same? Your criticism or me is but meaningless drivel like unto water rolling off a duck’s back.. Have a nice day anyway…

          • 98C3LCMT9Y4

            Lead an ethical life and you have no fear of what may come after death.

            You are the one that appears to be unable to lead that ethical life and live in fear – just the constrant lying that you deliberately do would damn you completely [and remaining ignorant of facts will not save you in the end.] Enjoy whatever “hell” you have, are, and probably will end up in and you have more than fully purchased it day after day for your entiredespicable lying and hating life.

        • 98C3LCMT9Y4

          You are doing a darn fine job proving that statement is a LIE!

      • Osamao

        Public schools are Madrasas for Communist Democrats. So…………..Your point?

    • 98C3LCMT9Y4

      You actually believe someone as unethical as that president-elect will do anything other than become richer by using his privileged information to make his family more wealthy at the expense of our nation, our Constitution, and our system of law?

      He is already fliop flopping and walking back all the promises he made to the uneducated & naive & outright ignorant who voted for him.

      “Hopefuly,” with your demonstrated horrible spelling skills, perhaps you should insist on REAL schools with REAL educators rather than those jasus coloring books for ‘textbooks’ for your “education.”

      • Miss Chrissy Vee

        flip flopping… And did you mean Jesus coloring books, or were you really referring to the genus of spiny lobsters? What horrible spelling skills. Perhaps you should insist on REAL schools with REAL educators rather than those who indoctrinate with propaganda and coddle wounded snowflakes with puppies, binkies and safe spaces, just because Hillary lost HUGE to Trump or someone actually had the audacity to disagree with them.

        • 98C3LCMT9Y4

          Nope, “jasus,” just as heard screamed at churches and meetings and intersections in small towns all around the deep rural and mostly illiterate southern states by even more illiterate con men looking for ‘donations” so they won’t have to actually work for a living.

          And why are you blathering about Clinton? I did not vote for HIM when he won the presidency both times, nor for her when she campaigned in 2012, and most certainly not this November.

          But please do continue to lie & deflect as that lowers your credibility even more than your cowardice indicated by the private account does.

          • Miss Chrissy Vee

            It’s okay snowflake. We understand. 🙂 ♥

          • Miss Chrissy Vee

            It amazes me that you can blaspheme God and Christian bash on a Christian site and your comments remain, while my defending of both get removed. This is obviously an outlet for Atheist trolls to take out their anger on a God they don’t even believe exists (which is totally moronic.) I will no longer involve myself with people who dish it out but can’t take it. Flag away. You people seem to run the roost anyway.

          • 98C3LCMT9Y4

            Facts are facts and it is a FACT on this site that christians do lie [YOU being a prime example] and have over 2,000 years of a history of lying and hatred and killing and yet claim to not have committed any of those well documented factual acts.

            Take a long hard look into YOUR mirror and accept that YOU are the one with the serious hypocrisy and hatred problem and that our great CONSTITUTION also applies to YOU even if you want to ignorant that inconvenient FACT..

            And leave innocent school child alone and do NOT ever try to proselytize to that captive audience!

    • glebealyth

      The only lie told about Evolution is the one that says it did not happen.

  • Worf

    I have posted this several times, but it keeps coming up so here it goes again.

    Everson v. Board of Education (1947), the U.S. Supreme Court decided the following:
    “The establishment of religion clause means at least this: Neither a state nor the federal government may set up a church. Neither can pass laws that aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion… . ***Neither a state or the federal government may, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa.*** In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect ‘a wall of separation between church and state.’”

    In case you don’t want to read the whole thing, I put the relevant part between the ***s.

  • Reason2012

    There is no such thing as “separation of church and state” in the Constitution. That phrase came from the time a Pastor wrote a letter to Jefferson expressing his fears that Jefferson would in some way restrict religious freedoms. In response to these fears, Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter back to indicate that he would in no way restrict the freedom of religious expression because he saw a wall of separation between church and state.

    So actually the phrase means the exact opposite of what a few claim it means: it re-iterates the First Amendment, that government shall make no laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

    (2) First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; And yet those who reject God demand the government establish its own denomination of Christianity with its own version of marriage. A violation of the First Amendment.

    (3) Congress/government also cannnot make a law prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

    A school can decide to, for example, put up Ten Commandment displays and no one can force them not to.
    A school can decide NOT to put up Ten Commandment displays and no one can force them to.
    But in a Christian nation, the populace will be personally choosing to put up Ten Commandment displays often. Those that do not like this can start voting in a large number of people that believe differently and hope it changes.

    That’s liberty.

    That’s freedom.

    That’s the Constitution many died to create.

    That’s the United States of America, not a third-world country.

    Start understanding the Constitution, the First Amendment and the lie about “separation to church and state” and take back our right to honor and worship God as people in positions of leadership personally choose and see fit to on a case by case basis.

  • Kingdom Ambassador

    Another victim of the First Amendment’s First Commandment-violating Free Exercise Clause:

    “…Although the First Amendment does not allow for establishing one religion over another, by eliminating Christianity as the federal government’s religion of choice (achieved by Article 6’s
    interdiction against Christian test oaths), Amendment 1 authorized equality for all non-Christian and even antichristian religions. When the Constitution failed to recognize Christian monotheism, it allowed Amendment 1 to fill the void by authorizing pagan polytheism.

    “Amendment 1 did exactly what the framers proclaimed it could not do: it prohibited the exercise of monotheistic Christianity (except within the confines of its church buildings) and established polytheism in its place. This explains the government’s double standard regarding Christian and non-Christian religions. For example, court participants entering the United States District Court of Appeals for the Middle District of Alabama must walk by a statue of Themis, the Greek goddess of justice. And yet, on November 18, 2002, this very court ruled that Judge Roy Moore’s Ten Commandments Monument violated the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause. Despite many Christians’ protests against this hypocrisy, it was in keeping with the inevitable repercussions of the First Amendment.

    “…Christians hang their religious hat on Amendment 1, as if some great moral principle is carved therein. They have gotten so caught up in the battle over the misuse of the Establishment Clause – the freedom from religion – that they have overlooked the ungodliness intrinsic in the Free Exercise Clause – the freedom of religion….”

    For more, see online Chapter 11 “Amendment 1: Government-Sanctioned Polytheism” of “Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective.” Click on my picture, then our website. Go to our Online Books page, click on the top entry, and scroll down to Chapter 11.

    Then find out how much you REALLY know about the Constitution as compared to the Bible. Take our 10-question Constitution Survey in the right-hand sidebar and receive a complimentary copy of a book that EXAMINES the Constitution by the Bible.

    • Grundune

      Be suspicious of someone who disparages the U.S. Constitution with intellectually sounding rhetoric. Ted R. Weiland, aka “Kingdom Ambassador” is an anti-American activist intent on getting our Constitution abolished and replaced by a dictatorship.

      Not cool, Ted.

      • David Hodges

        Grundune doesn’t believe the righteous should be afforded the privilege of forgiving trespassers. Grundune would rather embrace the humanist idea that evil is not evil, that nothing is a trespass, denying the possibility of the love of Jesus Christ being shown to a wayward soul.

    • Kingdom Ambassador


      Grundune is a Mormon who rejects the Christ of the Bible and the Word of God (Psalm 19:7-11; John 1:1-3, 14; 1 Timothy 3:16; 2 John 1:7-11; etc.) and whose “Doctrine and Covenants” demand he defend the Constitution as divinely inspired (D&C 101:80, etc.), much the same as the Book of Mormon. He knows if the Constitution is exposed for the
      biblically seditious document it is, that the entire Mormon house of cards comes tumbling down.

      Tragically, many Christians are more inclined to follow Doctrine and Covenants than they are the Bible when it comes to the Constitution.

  • Chet

    Think she could display some pics of attractive scantily clad ladies around or would she mostly be just able to mention such when pulling them in and out of her desk drawer… Perhaps a few off colored jokes would be more acceptable to the rulers…

  • Gregory Alan of Johnson

    This took place on New York. Most of the high-population cities are steeped in participation of Satanic/Masonic manure madness, and this article proves that out. It’s well beyond time for the public system of “education” be ended.

  • poppyw

    [Preamble] We The People of the State of New York, grateful to
    Almighty God for our Freedom, in order to secure its blessings, DO
    ESTABLISH THIS CONSTITUTION.§3. The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and
    worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever be allowed
    in this state to all humankind; and no person shall be rendered
    incompetent to be a witness on account of his or her opinions on matters
    religious belief; but the liberty of conscience hereby secured shall not
    be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness, or justify
    inconsistent with the peace or safety of this state. (Amended by vote of
    the people November 6, 2001.)

  • BeBeX

    When Thomas Jefferson wrote this letter he stated…legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of region, OR prohibiting the free exercise thereof thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. Meaning: IF government did this it would cause the effect of separation of Church and State.

    The phrase separation of Church and State was taken out of context, used inappropriately, and used to brainwash the American people. The very opposite of what Thomas Jefferson intended by his writing.

    January 1, 1802 Thomas Jefferson wrote:

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment OF religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereOF thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

    I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and Creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect and esteem. ~Thomas Jefferson

  • Amy

    It’s a public school funded by taxpayers. Many of them are not Christians. Why should they fund the teaching of your religion. If you want your kids taught Christianity in school SEND THEM TO A PAROCHIAL SCHOOL. It’s that simple. Why don’t Christians understand that?